Russell and Richard:
do you indeed MEAN those conditions recalled after crises as  NEAR DEATH?
Who knows what DEATH feels like? (- if it feels at all). Death is
a-temporal in the sense we use it, also a-spatial, so nothing can be "near"
it in either sense.

The dissolution of the 'living' complexity (=death?) may not be an
annihilation - it may be a reorganization of some of the ingredients (if we
accept our image of those complexities).
So partial components may 'live-on' in combination to other 'complexity'
groups. That gives an un-limitable possibility to have contact (in some
details?) with experiences/memories of deceased persons. (This is not a
statement, just a hint how 'spiritistic' experiences may occur).




On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:

> My guess is that his primary concern is to develop the medical
> technology to resuscitate patients in critical conditions - ie by
> lowering the temperatue of the brain to prevent irreversible brain
> damage whilst allowing sufficient time for the heart damage to be
> repaired, etc. This is all a worthwhile aim of itself.
>
> That it also gives him the opportunity to perform some simple
> experimental tests of some of the more outrageous NDE claims, is
> simply icing on the cake. It's good that he has a sufficiently open
> mind to think of tests. I have heard (from somewhere unsubstantiated,
> no doubt), that the tests have turned up nothing startling, but whether
> it does or not, it's still interesting science.
>
> It reminds my of a scientific investigation I performed into the
> effects of pyramids on razor blade when I was at uni. Its the only
> time I've really dabbled with woo. I not only got a negative result
> (no significant difference between the treated blades, and controls),
> but interestingly, I found a potential explanation of the effect. Both
> control blades and treated blades lasted longer and were subjectively
> sharper than the blades I used before the experiment. If I hadn't done
> a controlled experiment, I would have concluded the effect to be real.
>
> I published the experiment in a local student magazine (it wasn't
> nearly rigourous enough for peer review), and the reaction I got from my
> colleagues was quite interesting - generally very supportive, as a
> matter of fact. I wonder if that would have been the case if I had
> found a positive result.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 09:12:44AM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> > You could be correct that Parnia's study is buried in double-talk.
> Usually if scientists reach a dead-end, during testing they abandon the
> thesis. If what he is doing, is little more, then looking for unicorns,
> then yes, its a dead end (pun?) and we will see in November.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/19/2013 6:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> meeke...@verizon.net writes:
> > Since the study has been going on five years, and there has been no leak
> of a positive result, I expect that there are no positive results to
> report.  I find it hard to imagine that an amazing positive result, that
> would be known to several members of a medical team, could be kept secret.
> >
>
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