On 13 Jul 2013, at 19:11, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
This is a false problem perhaps and I wonder why people don't get
bored with it. Science cannot rid itself of faith (whatever
scientist's goal or question, however temporary), just as religion
cannot rid itself of critical questions (accounting for
inconsistencies, weaknesses, falsehoods in scripture, problem of
evil etc.); strip away all this cultural + historical luggage, with
all its different flavors and categories... and peoples' needs,
idiocies and hopes are relatively similar.
The militant idiots on both sides tend more to be the problem. The
ones that keep insisting in absolute truth, monopoly on the facts
without interpretation, total consistency, or whatever other fetish
measure makes their day. PGC
Well said. The problem is not in the ideas, it is when ideas are
destroyed or imposed by violent means, be it with bullets or words.
Ideas communicated through coercion or violence pollutes the natural
mutual exchange between living ideas.
In all affairs, not just religion, the interest of the individual,
that is the large majority, can interfere with interest of "large
minorities", making lie profitable for them in some short term. It is
catastrophical ... for the next generation. It is stealing the next
generation.
Bruno
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
John, please understand from the Christian pov, that this
(Christianity) is an attempt to sustain life beyond death, and so
far this has been the only option for them . Jesus, for them, is the
ticket out of the tragedies, and suffering, in life. Its an attempt
to try to make things better, for the people they care for, and
themselves. I don't see this as a philosophical arm wrresting match
between Darwin and Jesus. This is the only ticket to get out of
suffering-free card, and unless you have something, better, to
offer, why would they give all that up? You can apply this
statement, and double-down on it with Islam-which explains, the
reason for jihad. I respect your point of view intellectually, and I
suspect it is how our limbic systems are wired, rather then
indoctrination before potty training. Some are just naturally less
troubled by tragedy, or deal with it more, successfully, than the
religious??
Mitch
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From: John Clark <[email protected]>
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Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: the love torture
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote:
> Religion is about sacrifices.
I know, religion is big on sacrifices, especially Christianity, and
that's the problem. It seems to me that a good rule of thumb is be
suspicious of any religion who's most sacred symbol is a torture
device. I suppose if Jesus had been executed in more recent times
people would be wearing little gold electric chairs on chains around
their neck.
> the sacrifice of Christ free us from our own sacrifices.
So God was so mad at the entire human race (because one of its
members ate an apple when told not to) that he was prepared to
torture every single one of them for an infinite number of years
(but he loves you). And the only way to prevent this is for God to
forgive humanity, but even though God can do anything the only way
He could make Himself forgive humanity is for humanity to torture
His son (who is really Himself) to death.
The one and only reason that millions of adult and otherwise sane
human beings believe the above load of crap is because mommy and
daddy told them that from before they were properly potty trained.
And that is why the devote are so keen on early religious training
for children, it is the only way to get over the giggle factor.
John K Clark
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