On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> you know in Helsinki that you will survive and feel to be in only one >>> city with probability one >>> >> >> >> That depends, Is "You" the Helsinki Man or the Moscow Man or the >> Washington Man or John K Clark? >> > > > They are the same man, we have already discussed this > If they are all the same man then the Washington Man is the Helsinki Man, thus the report from the Moscow Man that he sees Moscow and only Moscow is insufficient information to judge the quality of the prediction about which cities the Helsinki Man will see, you've got to hear what the Washington Man has to say too if you want to know if the prediction was correct; not that the accuracy of predictions has anything to do endowing us with a sense of self. And they are NOT all the same man, they are all John K Clark but the Moscow Man is not the Washington Man. > As I said you confuse "indeterminacy" (the general vague concept) with > the many different sort of indeterminacy: > 1) by ignorance on initial conditions (example: the coin), that is a 3p > indeterminacy. > 2) Turing form of indeterminacy (example: the halting problem), that is > again a 3p indeterminacy. > 3) quantum indeterminacy in copenhague (3p indeterminacy, if that exists) > 4) quantum indeterminacy in Everett (1p indeterminacy, which needs the > quantum SWE assumption) > 5) computationalist 1p-indeterminacy (similar to Everett, except that it > does not need to assume the SWE or Everett-QM). It is the one we get in > step 3, and it is part of the derivation of physics from comp. > Only the first 3 make any sense, and even there all those peas are unnecessary. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
