On 06 Jan 2014, at 16:40, John Clark wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:>>> Bell's theorem holds only under a certain set of assumptions, >> True. As I've said many times Bell made exactly 3 assumptions: 1) High School algebra and trigonometry works. 2) Things are local. 3) Things are realistic.If those 3 assumptions are valid then Bell's inequality can NEVERbe violated.> Yes, that is correct. You showed this correctly indeed.>> But from experiment we know that Bell's inequality IS violated.> In our branch. Not in the multiverse.We do not know for a fact that the multiverse even exists, and evenif it does those other universes are about as non-local as you canget.

`The point is logical and does not depend on the existence of a`

`multiverse. The point is that Bell's inequality violation is seen in`

`one branch, and that it entails physical non locality only if that`

`branch is unique.`

`All universes or branches of the multiverse are local. You can even`

`define them by step of events close for interactions.`

The only branch we know to exist for sure is our local universe, andin our local universe Bell's inequality is violated.

`Yes, and a multiverse restores 3p determinacy and locality. That's the`

`point.`

And even if those other universes are real Bell's inequality isviolated there too, provided of course that High School algebra andtrigonometry still works.

`Yes, and so, for those inhabitants who believe in determinacy and`

`locality, they are forced to assume the presence of the other`

`branches, like ours.`

> MW restores 3p determinacy, and it restores 3p localityI should have asked this long ago but who exactly is this thirdperson?

Just read the original papers.

`- In comp, anyone locally not duplicated, and observing a duplication`

`of someone else, can play the needed role asked for defining a 3p view.`

`- In Everett QM, the 3p is an external view of the solution of the`

`SWE, and the 1-views are the record of the observers obeying to that`

`wave.`

`In both case, the 1p are given by the memory records of duplicated or`

`superposed states, and the 3p is the view from those who observe the`

`"whole" system.`

Can you give me his phone number or at least his Email address?

So funny ... Bruno

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