Bruno, Are you saying that 3p determinacy and locality are sufficient to satisfy Bell's theorem? Richard
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 06 Jan 2014, at 16:40, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> Bell's theorem holds only under a certain set of assumptions, >>> >> >> >> True. As I've said many times Bell made exactly 3 assumptions: >> 1) High School algebra and trigonometry works. >> 2) Things are local. >> 3) Things are realistic. >> If those 3 assumptions are valid then Bell's inequality can NEVER be >> violated. >> >> > Yes, that is correct. You showed this correctly indeed. >> >> >> But from experiment we know that Bell's inequality IS violated. >> >> > In our branch. Not in the multiverse. >> > > We do not know for a fact that the multiverse even exists, and even if it > does those other universes are about as non-local as you can get. > > > The point is logical and does not depend on the existence of a multiverse. > The point is that Bell's inequality violation is seen in one branch, and > that it entails physical non locality only if that branch is unique. > > All universes or branches of the multiverse are local. You can even define > them by step of events close for interactions. > > > > The only branch we know to exist for sure is our local universe, and in > our local universe Bell's inequality is violated. > > > Yes, and a multiverse restores 3p determinacy and locality. That's the > point. > > > > And even if those other universes are real Bell's inequality is violated > there too, provided of course that High School algebra and trigonometry > still works. > > > Yes, and so, for those inhabitants who believe in determinacy and > locality, they are forced to assume the presence of the other branches, > like ours. > > > > > > MW restores 3p determinacy, and it restores 3p locality >> > > I should have asked this long ago but who exactly is this third person? > > > Just read the original papers. > - In comp, anyone locally not duplicated, and observing a duplication of > someone else, can play the needed role asked for defining a 3p view. > - In Everett QM, the 3p is an external view of the solution of the SWE, > and the 1-views are the record of the observers obeying to that wave. > > In both case, the 1p are given by the memory records of duplicated or > superposed states, and the 3p is the view from those who observe the > "whole" system. > > > Can you give me his phone number or at least his Email address? > > > So funny ... > > Bruno > > > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
