Bruno, Are you saying that 3p determinacy and locality are sufficient to satisfy Bell's theorem? Richard

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 06 Jan 2014, at 16:40, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> >>> Bell's theorem holds only under a certain set of assumptions, >>> >> >> >> True. As I've said many times Bell made exactly 3 assumptions: >> 1) High School algebra and trigonometry works. >> 2) Things are local. >> 3) Things are realistic. >> If those 3 assumptions are valid then Bell's inequality can NEVER be >> violated. >> >> > Yes, that is correct. You showed this correctly indeed. >> >> >> But from experiment we know that Bell's inequality IS violated. >> >> > In our branch. Not in the multiverse. >> > > We do not know for a fact that the multiverse even exists, and even if it > does those other universes are about as non-local as you can get. > > > The point is logical and does not depend on the existence of a multiverse. > The point is that Bell's inequality violation is seen in one branch, and > that it entails physical non locality only if that branch is unique. > > All universes or branches of the multiverse are local. You can even define > them by step of events close for interactions. > > > > The only branch we know to exist for sure is our local universe, and in > our local universe Bell's inequality is violated. > > > Yes, and a multiverse restores 3p determinacy and locality. That's the > point. > > > > And even if those other universes are real Bell's inequality is violated > there too, provided of course that High School algebra and trigonometry > still works. > > > Yes, and so, for those inhabitants who believe in determinacy and > locality, they are forced to assume the presence of the other branches, > like ours. > > > > > > MW restores 3p determinacy, and it restores 3p locality >> > > I should have asked this long ago but who exactly is this third person? > > > Just read the original papers. > - In comp, anyone locally not duplicated, and observing a duplication of > someone else, can play the needed role asked for defining a 3p view. > - In Everett QM, the 3p is an external view of the solution of the SWE, > and the 1-views are the record of the observers obeying to that wave. > > In both case, the 1p are given by the memory records of duplicated or > superposed states, and the 3p is the view from those who observe the > "whole" system. > > > Can you give me his phone number or at least his Email address? > > > So funny ... > > Bruno > > > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.