2014-05-11 0:58 GMT+02:00 LizR <[email protected]>: > On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I guess one could start from "is physics computable?" (As Max Tegmark >>>>>> discusses in his book, but I haven't yet read what his conclusions are, >>>>>> if >>>>>> any). If physics is computable and consciousness arises somehow in a >>>>>> "materialist-type way" from the operation of the brain, then >>>>>> consciousness >>>>>> will be computable by definition. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is that trivially obvious to you? The anti-comp crowd claim that even >>>>> if brain behaviour is computable that does not mean that a computer >>>>> could be conscious, since it may require the actual brain matter, and not >>>>> just a simulation, to generate the consciousness. >>>>> >>>>> If physics is computable, and consciousness arises from physics with >>>> nothing extra (supernatural or whatever) then yes. Am I missing something >>>> obvious? >>>> >>> >> You're missing the step where you explain how doing the computations >> generates consciousness. That is what I understand "consciousness is >> computable" to mean. >> > > My point is that I don't need to. If physics is computable and > *if*consciousness arises from physics, consciousness > *must* be computable (even if it's only computable at the level of the > fundamental particles and hence a somewhat long computation). > > The point of my argument was to side-step worrying about exactly how > consciousness is computable. It may be a lot easier to dsicover is > fundamental physics is. > > Now where's my platonist hat got to? > > But that's digital physics.. and as Bruno showed, if physics is computable, consciousness is, and if it is, by FPI, physics isn't... contradiction.
Regards, Quentin > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
