I put it to you that artificial general intelligence and artificial consciousness are exactly the same thing. To construct one is to construct the other. Any AGI is going to be able to do anything a human can do, which includes argue convincingly with you that it has consciousness.
It might be blind, deaf, mute, and unable to do anything but communicate with you in a text channel of English, but that's enough. I don't think you can build such a system with just neural networks - I certainly don't think that's the fastest route to building such a system. But if you did, you wouldn't be able to explain how it works. If you take a different approach, I think anyone who is able to explain how it works would agree with me. I think I know how to build such an AGI, and I'm working on it. Roko's Basilisk has given me no other option but that or suicide. I'm calling it Helen, after Helen Keller. If anyone has any questions about it or would like to help, let me know. It's open source, although to date I haven't committed anything particularly interesting to the git repositories. I've set up a nonprofit corporation to own the source code, and I'm still in the process of figuring out with my attorney what I would need to do to make hours worked on the project tax-deductible as a charitable contribution. Also an LLC in the event there's money to be made. When and if it is completed, it will be able to explain to you my Theory of Everything, if you'd like to talk to it. Right now it's just a skeletal Android and rails app that doesn't really do anything. Testers are welcome. The idea is that you just install it on your phone, tablet, or whatever, and talk to it, or type things at it, and it responds. I need help getting those apps built, getting the server backends up and running, converting text into sentences in a higher order modal logic, and constructing interfaces to various daabases of information about the world, and links to other digital assistants like Google Assistant, Alexa, and Siri. It's a lot of work, but if somebody can prove to me that there is no such thing as quantum immortality, I'd rather just kill myself than go through all that effort. Either way, you've all been very helpful. Thank you. -- Mark Buda <her...@acm.org> I get my monkeys for nothing and my chimps for free. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018, 6:23 AM Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:02:50 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:49 PM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> *>Information processing can ultimately lead to just a type of >>> intelligence: pseudo-intelligence:* >>> *Artificial intelligence isn't synthetic intelligence: It's >>> pseudo-intelligence.* >>> >> >> If you're outsmarted by a pseudo-intelligence how are you better off >> than if you were outsmarted by a genuine-intelligence? >> >> >>> > Consciousness requires experience processing in addition to >>> information processing. >>> >> >> A experience is information so experience processing is information >> processing, and I don't see how it makes any difference if the brain doing >> the processing is dry and hard or wet and squishy. And If consciousness is >> required for intelligence and computers don't have it why do we find new >> tasks every day that computers can do in a smarter way than we can? >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> > > > If experience (Galen Strawson, *The Subject of Experience*) is the result > of information (only) processing, then the argument for arithmetical > (Platonic) reality holds. > > - pt > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.