[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
 wrote:

> > When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the
> > impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand
> > and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking,
> > write. Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your
> > world it is only bliss that matters.
> > Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created
> > in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just
> > simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac? 
> > 
> > 
> 
> For me, Prozac helps counter the effects of the 3-year allergy
attack I suffered a few years 
> ago. And ALL of my doctors, counselors and whatnot agree that TM is
essential to my 
> health and well-being.
>
 
I agree with you here. And I apologize. I was rude in my comment here.

Irmeli






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I 
> > > > have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have 
> > > > through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging 
> > > > drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his 
> > > > techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam
> floating on 
> > > > a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, 
> > > > and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to 
> > > > burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event 
> > > > would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter 
> > > > of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the 
> > > > Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it
> would 
> > > > not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, 
> > > > maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I "learned"
> from 
> > > > Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is
> physical, 
> > > > spiritual, and real. 
> > > > 
> > > > OffWorld
> > > >
> > > 
> > > You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only
> > > through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those
> > > techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to
> > > practise.
> > > I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe,
> > > but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM
> > > technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO
> > > and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who
> > > have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it.
> > 
> > 
> > And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so
> you can teach 
> > something that people can benefit very  little from?
> > 
> > BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it?
> > 
> 
> When MMY came to the west, he didn't know that most people don't
> benefit from it ? 
> 95% of those people, whom I persuaded to start TM, didn't experience
> anything they considered special and important for themselves and
> dropped the technique very soon.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY
> > > credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple
> > > techniques plays just a minor role. Why?
> > 
> > Why do you say that this is so anyway?
> > 
> 
> Cannot you understand what I have written?
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through
> > > the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is
> > > enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world.  The TMO has
> > > been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system
> > > to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become
> > > reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss
> > > now many different sources have been playing an important role. The
> > > TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened
> > > person could give appreciation to them all.
> > > 
> > > Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not
> > > the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO
> > > to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually
> > > goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more
> > > harm than good.
> > > Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one
> > > ingredient, but not sufficient alone.
>  
> > 
> > Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system.
> Change the nervous 
> > system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough
> people and you 
> > transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not.
> > 
> 
> Sure. But by concentrating to create bliss and being oblivious to
> other important factors in the functioning of human nervous system,
> doesn't make this kind of transformation to appear.


TM is concentration? And TM is always sufficient to generate some degree of 
Bliss. That's 
the most amazing thing about it: it really does always work.


> 
> > 
> > Seeing it being all that is
> > > needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest
> > > behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only
> > > bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes:
> > > "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the
> > > karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allow

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
> 
> >> Seeing it being all that is
> >>> needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest
> >>> behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't 
matter,  
> >>> only
> >>> bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following  
> >>> routes:
> >>> "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm  
> >>> beyond the
> >>> karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed  
> >>> for me
> >>> just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people  
> >>> following me.
> >>> When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically
> >>> purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really 
matter."
> >>> Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck 
there.  
> >>> But
> >>> for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he 
cannot
> >>> escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in 
itself
> >>> transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if 
it
> >>> happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is 
easy
> >>> to see to be true also for MMY.
> >>> He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to 
the
> >>> west, as have many other teachers. And many people have 
benefited  
> >>> from
> >>> his teachings in spite of its weaknesses.
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM> Which is 
it?
> >>
> >
> > Many have benefited, most of the people who learned TM not.
> >
> > When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too
> > the impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to 
> > understand and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your 
> > thinking, write.
> 
> He's not the only one here who does this. For some, it's as if 
> it's their life's mission.

So it's never the case that people with whom these
"some" don't agree do not write clearly?

When I read Irmeli's post--before I'd seen Lawson's
response--I also saw an apparent contradiction
between "Most people who have learned this simple
technique have benefited very little from it" and
"Many people have benefited from his teachings in
spite of its [sic] weaknesses."

> It really is bizarre, and I often I just relegate it to the bizarro-
> bin, but at the same time you can't help but be disturbed by the  
> "work [done] very hard internally, to not to understand and to  
> distort" part. No bells of conscience (seemingly); is "cosmic  
> heroin" (meditative bliss) that strong a drug?

This is clear enough; and it's clearly bullshit.

Vaj in particular is frequently guilty of writing
obscurely and even sloppily--and then arrogantly
declining to clarify.  The "work [done] very hard
internally" is an attempt to make sense of what he
writes, not to *not* understand it.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[Vaj]

On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter."  Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to see to be true also for MMY. He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its weaknesses.   I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM> Which is it?   Many have benefited, most of the people who learned TM not.  When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking, write.He's not the only one here who does this. For some, it's as if it's their life's mission.It really is bizarre, and I often I just relegate it to the bizarro-bin, but at the same time you can't help but be disturbed by the "work [done] very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort" part. No bells of conscience (seemingly); is "cosmic heroin" (meditative bliss) that strong a drug? Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your world it is only bliss that matters. Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac?  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I 
> > > have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have 
> > > through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging 
> > > drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his 
> > > techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam
floating on 
> > > a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, 
> > > and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to 
> > > burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event 
> > > would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter 
> > > of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the 
> > > Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it
would 
> > > not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, 
> > > maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I "learned"
from 
> > > Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is
physical, 
> > > spiritual, and real. 
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> > >
> > 
> > You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only
> > through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those
> > techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to
> > practise.
> > I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe,
> > but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM
> > technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO
> > and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who
> > have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it.
> 
> 
> And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so
you can teach 
> something that people can benefit very  little from?
> 
> BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it?
> 

When MMY came to the west, he didn't know that most people don't
benefit from it ? 
95% of those people, whom I persuaded to start TM, didn't experience
anything they considered special and important for themselves and
dropped the technique very soon.

> 
> 
> > So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY
> > credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple
> > techniques plays just a minor role. Why?
> 
> Why do you say that this is so anyway?
> 

Cannot you understand what I have written?

> 
> > 
> > But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through
> > the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is
> > enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world.  The TMO has
> > been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system
> > to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become
> > reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss
> > now many different sources have been playing an important role. The
> > TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened
> > person could give appreciation to them all.
> > 
> > Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not
> > the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO
> > to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually
> > goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more
> > harm than good.
> > Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one
> > ingredient, but not sufficient alone.
 
> 
> Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system.
Change the nervous 
> system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough
people and you 
> transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not.
> 

Sure. But by concentrating to create bliss and being oblivious to
other important factors in the functioning of human nervous system,
doesn't make this kind of transformation to appear.

> 
> Seeing it being all that is
> > needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest
> > behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only
> > bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes:
> > "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the
> > karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me
> > just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me.
> > When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically
> > purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter." 
> > Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But
> > for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot
> > escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/3/06 5:32:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SSRS 
  just laughed in delight when he heard that MMYhad said, in regard to SSRS, 
  "Meditators shouldwatchout for sweet poison." 

Drpete you explained that quote once a couple of years ago I 
think. Would you mind repeating what is meant by meditators should watch out for 
sweet poison. Some quote from the 
Gita ?  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Peter]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> In a message dated 7/3/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  [EMAIL PROTECTED],  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 7/3/06  5:40:02 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time, 
> > richardhughes103@ richardhughes1
> > 
> > Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in 
> other spiritual 
> > groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could
> I  have an 
> > explanation of these acronyms?
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri
> Sri Ravi  Shankar,
> a former 
> > Maharishi student who cognized a series of 
> breathing exercises he
> calls 
> > Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center  piece of his
> teaching. In 
> addition he also 
> > teaches TM , but under  a different name.
> 
> "Cognized"? Did SSRS say he "cognized" them?  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That is the story I heard , cognized while in
> silence that M  told him to do. 
> Maybe Drpete knows the story.

MMY had SSRS in silence in the US (I think he was in
Connecticut of all places) in the early 80's. SSRS
said that things we're not fully "right" when he went
into silence, but when he came out, everything was
"okay." Shortly after that he said that the Sudarshan
Kriya technique came to him. He told MMY about it and
wanted to teach it within the context of the TMO. MMY
told him to go out and teach it on his own. SSRS said
he was very surprised because he had never thought
about leaving MMY. Whenever he saw MMY after that MMY
would say to him, "Are you still here?" SSRS said it
took him about a year to leave MMY. He and MMY are
best buddies regardless of what MMY says about SSRS.
SSRS just laughed in delight when he heard that MMY
had said, in regard to SSRS, "Meditators should
watchout for sweet poison." He sees MMY as his master
and on his puja table he has a picture of Guru Dev and
a picture of MMY's feet (at least I assume they are
MMY's feet and so I've been told!).




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I 
> > have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have 
> > through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging 
> > drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his 
> > techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam floating on 
> > a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, 
> > and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to 
> > burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event 
> > would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter 
> > of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the 
> > Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it would 
> > not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, 
> > maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I "learned" from 
> > Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is physical, 
> > spiritual, and real. 
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> 
> You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only
> through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those
> techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to
> practise.
> I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe,
> but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM
> technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO
> and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who
> have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it.


And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so you can teach 
something that people can benefit very  little from?

BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it?



> So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY
> credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple
> techniques plays just a minor role. Why?

Why do you say that this is so anyway?


> 
> But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through
> the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is
> enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world.  The TMO has
> been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system
> to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become
> reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss
> now many different sources have been playing an important role. The
> TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened
> person could give appreciation to them all.
> 
> Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not
> the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO
> to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually
> goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more
> harm than good.
> Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one
> ingredient, but not sufficient alone. 

Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system. Change the 
nervous 
system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough people and 
you 
transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not.


Seeing it being all that is
> needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest
> behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only
> bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes:
> "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the
> karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me
> just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me.
> When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically
> purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter." 
> Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But
> for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot
> escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself
> transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it
> happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy
> to see to be true also for MMY.
> He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the
> west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from
> his teachings in spite of its weaknesses.


I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM> Which is it?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I 
> have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have 
> through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging 
> drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his 
> techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam floating on 
> a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, 
> and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to 
> burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event 
> would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter 
> of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the 
> Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it would 
> not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, 
> maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I "learned" from 
> Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is physical, 
> spiritual, and real. 
> 
> OffWorld
>

You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only
through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those
techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to
practise.
I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe,
but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM
technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO
and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who
have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it.
So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY
credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple
techniques plays just a minor role. Why?

But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through
the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is
enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world.  The TMO has
been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system
to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become
reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss
now many different sources have been playing an important role. The
TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened
person could give appreciation to them all.

Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not
the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO
to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually
goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more
harm than good.
Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one
ingredient, but not sufficient alone. Seeing it being all that is
needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest
behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only
bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes:
"Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the
karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me
just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me.
When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically
purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter." 
Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But
for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot
escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself
transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it
happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy
to see to be true also for MMY.
He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the
west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from
his teachings in spite of its weaknesses.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 3, 2006, at 4:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ writes:  Pardon  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these  acronyms?AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi    Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises  he   calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In    addition he also teaches TM , but under a different  name.I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required   to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him   as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY?   What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be   required to sign any such form or make any such pledge?   What makes you think a Brahmin renuciate pundit would automatically become a TM  teacher? BTW, does SSRS wear saffron? Uh, because he teaches it?Not sure, my guess would be patchouli.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/3/06 1:37:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Peter ...> wrote:>> He also just 
  introduced another 
pranayama.Gasp!

That's it! 3 rounds of 10 short and long alternating 
gasps!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >> richardhughes103@ writes:
> >>
> >> Pardon  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual
> >> groups but have  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an
> >> explanation of these  acronyms?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi   
> >> Shankar, a former
> >> Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises  he  
> >> calls
> >> Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In   
> >> addition he also
> >> teaches TM , but under a different  name.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required  
> > to make the pledge not to
> > teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him  
> > as a self-proclaimed
> > disciple of MMY?
> 
> 
> What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be  
> required to sign any such form or make any such pledge?
>

What makes you think a Brahmin renuciate pundit would automatically become a TM 
teacher? BTW, does SSRS wear saffron?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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In a message dated 7/3/06 1:17:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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doubt if 
  he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not 
  to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as 
  a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY

I don't know if he teaches TM under another name or has other 
people do it for him. I also don't know what arrangements he had with M. My 
understanding is SSRS has said he has M's blessings to do what he is doing. M 
has all the opportunity in the world to say "no he doesn't". None of us 
know what M has intended for SSRS to do. SSRS could very well be M's way of 
continuing the world plan while he focuses on India and it's revival. Who knows 
but M and SSRS? Remember the story M told all of us about how Guru Dev was put 
on a special program by his Guru Dev and it was so secret that Swami Krishnanand 
had to devise a story to fool the other students so they wouldn't be jealous. 
None of us know how many times M has done something like this or something even 
bigger.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[authfriend]

Vaj, a couple of days ago you appeared to suggest
that Lawson attempts to mislead and deceive.  Was
that, in fact, what you were suggesting?  And if so,
could you provide some specifics, please?



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>
> 
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >> richardhughes103@ writes:
> >>
> >> Pardon  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other 
spiritual
> >> groups but have  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an
> >> explanation of these  acronyms?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi   
> >> Shankar, a former
> >> Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises  
he  
> >> calls
> >> Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In   
> >> addition he also
> >> teaches TM , but under a different  name.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was 
required  
> > to make the pledge not to
> > teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave 
him  
> > as a self-proclaimed
> > disciple of MMY?
> 
> 
> What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever 
be  
> required to sign any such form or make any such pledge?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
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> > He also just introduced another pranayama.
> 
> Gasp!

No, that's the old one.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Pardon  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual  groups but have  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an  explanation of these  acronyms?AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi  Shankar, a former  Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises  he calls  Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In  addition he also  teaches TM , but under a different  name.   I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to  teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed  disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > > > As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, 
> > > everything 
> > > > will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain 
> > > > things during the correct practice of TM. For other 
> techniques, 
> > > this 
> > > > may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it 
> easy; 
> > > > take it as it comes.'
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the 
> lotus 
> > > the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely 
> the 
> > > deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually 
> even 
> > > half lotus is a big improvement. 
> > > 
> > > Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what 
> other 
> > > TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on?
> > 
> > FWIW, MMY recommends *against* "really stretched
> > asanas."  They should be performed just to the point
> > where stretching begins to be felt.  (This is from
> > the 12-lesson course on Yoga Asanas, not the
> > instructions given to residence course participants
> > for rounding purposes.  The residence course instructions
> > say the same thing, but the point is that they don't
> > *change* in the more rigorous Yoga Asanas course.)
> >
> I had the "correct" instruction many times but instinctively felt 
> that overdoing it suited me, and when I saw an Ayurvedic doctor for 
> the first time he actually recommended really going for it. Maybe 
> because I'm not the typical pale anaemic TMer and can withstand a 
> bit of physical effort ;-). Different courses for different horses.
> 

It's not about physical effort anyway. BTW, was this a Maharishi Ayurvedic 
physician? A lot 
of them enjoy adding their own twist to things, like the ones that recommend 
drinking 
urine to people.

> Talking of different ways to do this stuff, how about the guy in 
> L.A. who teaches "power asanas" in a 40c room? that would get your 
> pitta going.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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In a message dated 7/3/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 7/3/06 
  5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > richardhughes103@... 
  writes:> > Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in 
  other spiritual > groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I 
  have an > explanation of these acronyms?> > > 
  > AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi 
  Shankar,a former > Maharishi student who cognized a series of 
  breathing exercises hecalls > Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center 
  piece of his teaching. In addition he also > teaches TM , but under 
  a different name."Cognized"? Did SSRS say he "cognized" them? 
  

That is the story I heard , cognized while in silence that M 
told him to do. Maybe Drpete knows the story.
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> He also just introduced another pranayama.

Gasp!






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> on 6/30/06 10:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Was he *explicitly* "posing as a celibate monk" during
> >>> > > the time he was banging the women, by the way?
> >>> > > 
> >> > Yes.
> >> >
> > 
> > He was saying "be celibate like me?"
> > 
> No those exact words, but essentially, yes.
>

Of course he was. Otherwise, you couldn't be angry at him.






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>  
> In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> Pardon  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual 
> groups but have  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an 
> explanation of these  acronyms?
> 
> 
> 
> AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi  Shankar, a former 
> Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises  he calls 
> Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In  addition he 
> also 
> teaches TM , but under a different  name.
>

I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the 
pledge not to 
teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a 
self-proclaimed 
disciple of MMY?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > 
> > > >>
> > > > At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6 
> > months  
> > > > to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas, 
> taking  
> > > > cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back 
> support  
> > > > (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave 
> > was,  
> > > > OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get 
> serious.  
> > > > Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can purify 
> > the  
> > > > fastest." _
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key  
> > > instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked 
> to  
> > > have seen more skillful purification practices make there way 
> > into  
> > > advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They 
> can 
> > be  
> > > profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical.
> > >
> > 
> > Sitting, slouching, even lying down sometimes during TM is good 
> > enough. No need for rigorous postures. These may occur naturally 
> > anyway, during practice, or during TM-Sidhis, but no need to 
> enforce 
> > them at all. The technique is powerful enough to take care of all 
> of 
> > this. 
> > 
> > As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, 
> everything 
> > will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain 
> > things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, 
> this 
> > may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; 
> > take it as it comes.'
> >
> 
> Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus 
> the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the 
> deeper and more prolonged the experience the better?


Perhaps, as long as you're not insisting that one "experience" is better than 
another.

 actually even 
> half lotus is a big improvement. 
> 
> Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other 
> TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on?
>

Eating right? Sleeping right? Exercising right? Practicing some breathing 
exercises before 
meditation? Listening to life-supporting music? Living in a properly 
constructed and 
oriented house?


Lessee, that's Maharishi Ayurveda, Asanas, Pranayama, Maharishi Gandharva Veda, 
Maharishi Vastu...


Yep, all those things that MMY keeps hidden from the rank and file meditator...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Peter]

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 6/30/06 10:36 AM, nablus108 at
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> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> > , "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>  ,
> "curtisdeltablues"
> >> >  wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > "Maharishi could have stayed in the
> Himalayas with a few disciples,
> >>> > > but choose to be available "for the whole
> world", as Muktananda put
> >>> > > it, is quite remarkable and "a total
> sacrifice of life" (Maharishi,
> >>> > > 1982)."
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Self-serving myth. Not credible.  Which part
> of his self-created
> >>> > > luxurious lifestyle is the sacrifice part?
> > 
> > Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in
> purchase for several of
> > Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all
> IKEA.
> 
> What is IKEA?

The 351st tal


> 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[cardemaister]

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> --- Rick wrote:
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> > What is IKEA?
> 
> Scandinavian modern style furniture and accessories.
> 
> www.ikea.com
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Sal Sunshine]

An upscale-looking but still fairly reasonable line of furniture, much of which you put together yourself, hence the lower prices.  Their solid wood stuff is great, looks like it would be much more expensive than it is.  They have a line of huge  warehouse-like stores in the bigger cities.

Sal


On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of 
 Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA.

 What is IKEA?  __

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[authfriend]

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> --- Rick wrote:
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> > What is IKEA?
> 
> Scandinavian modern style furniture and accessories.

Relatively inexpensive, not high-end.

> 
> www.ikea.com
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[new . morning]

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>  
> In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> Pardon  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual 
> groups but have  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an 
> explanation of these  acronyms?
> 
> 
> 
> AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi  Shankar,
a former 
> Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises  he
calls 
> Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In 
addition he also 
> teaches TM , but under a different  name.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Patrick Gillam]

--- Rick wrote:
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> What is IKEA?

Scandinavian modern style furniture and accessories.

www.ikea.com





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/30/06 10:36 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "Maharishi could have stayed in the Himalayas with a few disciples,
> > but choose to be available "for the whole world", as Muktananda put
> > it, is quite remarkable and "a total sacrifice of life" (Maharishi,
> > 1982)."
> > 
> > Self-serving myth. Not credible.  Which part of his self-created
> > luxurious lifestyle is the sacrifice part?

Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of 
Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA.

What is IKEA?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/30/06 10:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Was he *explicitly* "posing as a celibate monk" during
> > the time he was banging the women, by the way?
> > 
> Yes.
>

He was saying "be celibate like me?"

No those exact words, but essentially, yes.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> 
> > > As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, 
> > everything 
> > > will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain 
> > > things during the correct practice of TM. For other 
techniques, 
> > this 
> > > may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it 
easy; 
> > > take it as it comes.'
> > >
> > 
> > Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the 
lotus 
> > the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely 
the 
> > deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually 
even 
> > half lotus is a big improvement. 
> > 
> > Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what 
other 
> > TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on?
> 
> FWIW, MMY recommends *against* "really stretched
> asanas."  They should be performed just to the point
> where stretching begins to be felt.  (This is from
> the 12-lesson course on Yoga Asanas, not the
> instructions given to residence course participants
> for rounding purposes.  The residence course instructions
> say the same thing, but the point is that they don't
> *change* in the more rigorous Yoga Asanas course.)
>
I had the "correct" instruction many times but instinctively felt 
that overdoing it suited me, and when I saw an Ayurvedic doctor for 
the first time he actually recommended really going for it. Maybe 
because I'm not the typical pale anaemic TMer and can withstand a 
bit of physical effort ;-). Different courses for different horses.

Talking of different ways to do this stuff, how about the guy in 
L.A. who teaches "power asanas" in a 40c room? that would get your 
pitta going.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[hugheshugo]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
>  wrote:
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> > Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual 
> > groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an 
> > explanation of these acronyms?
> 
> AOL = Art of Living
> SSRS = Sri Sri Ravi Shankar
> 
> AOL is SSRS's org.
>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Pardon 
  my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have 
  no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these 
  acronyms?

AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi 
Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises 
he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In 
addition he also teaches TM , but under a different 
name.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/3/06 1:54:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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It's 
  interesting that when I change during a sessionfrom TM to 
  "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44)my posture almost immediately 
  gets straightened, or stuff.(naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra 
  savyaapasavya-sauSumneSu)Of course that's only my take on what that 
  suutramight actually mean. There seems to be severaldiffering opinions 
  on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama"really means. My translation is 
  mainly based onthe "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash 
  cittasya,and all that...)

HA, well of course!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Peter]

He also just introduced another pranayama.

--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's fantastic to hear--I'm glad he's really
> sharing the depths of  
> his knowledge and it's reaching a wider audience.
> 
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses.
> Prana
> > moves through the body in different ways based on
> the
> > hand position abd what fingers are touching what
> on
> > the hand.
> >
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra"
> in
> >>>
> >> particular?
> >>
> >> The word mudra varies greatly depending on the
> >> context. It's most
> >> common meaning would likely be certain hand
> gestures
> >> used to move
> >> prana in certain ways (often in combination with
> >> certain asanas or
> >> meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning
> >> would be as a very
> >> direct form of symbolic communication used for
> >> example in the
> >> practice of your personal deity. For example in
> the
> >> meditation on
> >> your personal deity you can convey certain
> actions
> >> and intents very
> >> directly through a simple hand gesture and it's
> >> mantra. The mudra
> >> "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be
> >> instantaneous, for
> >> example in using an action mantra. It's more
> obscure
> >> meaning would be
> >> in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an
> actual
> >> sexual consort
> >> rather than a visualized one...
> >
> 
> 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> In a message dated 7/2/06 10:34:38 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in 
> particular?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in
> lotus with  hands on knees 
> and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other
> remaining  fingers held 
> straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower
> self united  and the three 
> gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin
> Mudra. There  are all kinds of 
> Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the
> body to  flow in specific 
> directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it
> was ok  to sit like that, As 
> I recall he didn't have any problem with it.  
> 
> 
> 
> There is a common photo of Guru Dev sitting on a
> tiger  skin in Lotus and 
> holding his hands in Chin  Mudra.

There are actually three variations of chin mudra. The
first one is with the tip of the thumb and the tip of
the index finger touching one another. For the second
one you slide your index finger down to the first
joint of the thumb (this is the mudra Guru Dev is
doing in the mentioned photo). And for the third you
bring the index finger down to the base of the thumb.
I find the first variation to be very relaxing. It
does something to prana in your head. The other two
variations change prana in your head, but I find them
to be uncomfortable. If you do a mudra with ujiya
breath it is more powerful.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Vaj]

That's fantastic to hear--I'm glad he's really sharing the depths of his knowledge and it's reaching a wider audience.On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Peter wrote:SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand.  --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:  What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular?  The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most   common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move   prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or   meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very   direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the   practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on   your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very   directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra   "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for   example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be   in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual sexual consort   rather than a visualized one... 
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[authfriend]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:

> > As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, 
> everything 
> > will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain 
> > things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, 
> this 
> > may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; 
> > take it as it comes.'
> >
> 
> Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus 
> the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the 
> deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually even 
> half lotus is a big improvement. 
> 
> Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other 
> TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on?

FWIW, MMY recommends *against* "really stretched
asanas."  They should be performed just to the point
where stretching begins to be felt.  (This is from
the 12-lesson course on Yoga Asanas, not the
instructions given to residence course participants
for rounding purposes.  The residence course instructions
say the same thing, but the point is that they don't
*change* in the more rigorous Yoga Asanas course.)






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Peter]

SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana
moves through the body in different ways based on the
hand position abd what fingers are touching what on
the hand.

--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in
> particular?
> 
> The word mudra varies greatly depending on the
> context. It's most  
> common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures
> used to move  
> prana in certain ways (often in combination with
> certain asanas or  
> meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning
> would be as a very  
> direct form of symbolic communication used for
> example in the  
> practice of your personal deity. For example in the
> meditation on  
> your personal deity you can convey certain actions
> and intents very  
> directly through a simple hand gesture and it's
> mantra. The mudra  
> "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be
> instantaneous, for  
> example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure
> meaning would be  
> in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual
> sexual consort  
> rather than a visualized one...
> 
> 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Vaj]

On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:53 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:   On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:  In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,   sparaig@ writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do.  Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs.   Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most  slouching, one in a lazy boy chair!  Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are  known in   the broader meditational world for their bad posture.   The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things  like   Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be  performed   perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability  is   good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this.  It   was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste  of   the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and  so   forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to  become   great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy   places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show  the   intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there  are   teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if  one   uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb  be   placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three   fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is  enough   that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we  pay   attention to, not all the other stuff.  Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and  there   *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a  number of   other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana,  just   sit in a chair.  It's interesting that when I change during a session from TM to "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44) my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff. (naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya- sauSumneSu) Of course that's only my take on what that suutra might actually mean. There seems to be several differing opinions on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama" really means. My translation is mainly based on the "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya, and all that...) Samyama has a very different meaning in this system than in the Patanjali or yoga-darshana system.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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> Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual 
> groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an 
> explanation of these acronyms?

AOL = Art of Living
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 7/1/06  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   
writes:
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested.. 
> > 
> > DIXON
> > No, because there are still  more people going to them, even of 
> > different ethnic identities, than  there are coming to the TMO. 
> AOL 
> > is expanding not  shrinking.
> > 
> > ROFLMAO ! ! !
> > Dixon says AOL is mostly  Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
> > 
> > OffWOrld
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen  involve a 
> higher 
> > percentage of Indians than any other single  ethnic group, 
white, 
> black, Hispanic, 
> > east Asian . But even with  out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing 
> faster than 
> > the  TMO.>>
> 
> Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how  there 
are 
> no Indians in TMO anymore.
> 
> You are right, because I can't  see one single Indian on this 
whole 
> page of pictures of TMO !
> _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/s42gn) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of  Indians in 
India. I 
> think you were quite aware that I have been talking all  along 
about Indian 
> immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India.  If 
you will double 
> back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has  attracted 
more Indian 
> immigrants in the United States than M ever did. My  comments have 
been strictly 
> about Indians in the United States, no place else.  Now, is there 
anything else 
> you want to take out of  context
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> > >>
> > > At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6 
> months  
> > > to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas, 
taking  
> > > cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back 
support  
> > > (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave 
> was,  
> > > OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get 
serious.  
> > > Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can purify 
> the  
> > > fastest." _
> > 
> > 
> > Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key  
> > instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked 
to  
> > have seen more skillful purification practices make there way 
> into  
> > advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They 
can 
> be  
> > profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical.
> >
> 
> Sitting, slouching, even lying down sometimes during TM is good 
> enough. No need for rigorous postures. These may occur naturally 
> anyway, during practice, or during TM-Sidhis, but no need to 
enforce 
> them at all. The technique is powerful enough to take care of all 
of 
> this. 
> 
> As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, 
everything 
> will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain 
> things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, 
this 
> may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; 
> take it as it comes.'
>

Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus 
the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the 
deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually even 
half lotus is a big improvement. 

Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other 
TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular?

mudrA f. (fr. %{mudra} see above) a seal or any instrument used for 
sealing or stamping , a seal-ring , signet-ring (cf. %{aGguli-m-}) , 
any ring MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; type for printing or instrument for 
lithographing L. ; the stamp or impression made by a seal &c. ; any 
stamp or print or mark or impression MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; a stamped 
coin , piece of money , rupee , cash , medal L. ; an image , sign , 
badge , token (esp. a token or mark of divine attributes impressed 
upon the body) Ka1v. Pur. Ra1jat. ; authorization , a pass , passport 
(as given by a seal) Mudr. ; shutting , closing (as of the eyes or 
lips gen. or comp.) Ka1v. ; a lock , stopper , bung Amar. Bhpr. ; a 
mystery Cat. ; *N. of partic. positions or intertwinings of the 
fingers* (24 in number , commonly practised in religious 
worship , and supposed to possess an occult meaning and magical 
efficacy Das3. Sarvad. Ka1ran2d2. RTL. 204 ; 406) ; a partic. branch 
of education (`" reckoning by the fingers "') DivyA7v. ; parched or 
fried grain (as used in the S3a1kta or Ta1ntrik ceremonial) RTL. 
192 ; (in rhet.) the natural expression of things by words , calling 
things by their right names Kuval. ; (in music) a dance accordant 
with tradition Sam2gi1t. 

'chin' might be sandhi for 'chit'(in Harvard-Kyoto, etc: cit)

cit 1 mfn. ifc. `" piling up "' see %{agni-} , %{Urdhva-} , and %
{pUrva-ci4t} ; (Pa1n2. 3-2 , 92) forming a layer or stratum , piled 
up VS. i , xii TS. i (cf. %{kaGka-} , %{karma-} , %{cakSuz-} , %
{droNa-} , %{prA7Na-} , %{manaz-} , %{rathacakra-} , %{vAk-} , %
{zyena-} , and %{zrotra-ci4t}.)  
2 cit 2 mfn. ifc. `" knowing "' see %{Rta-ci4t} ; `" giving heed 
to "' or `" revenging [guilt , %{RNa-}] "' see %{RNa-}.  
3 cit 3 mfn. ifc. `" id. "' see 2. %{cit}.  
5 cit 1. 2. 3 see 1. 2. 3. %{ci}.
  
7 cit 5 mfn. ifc. `" thinking "' see %{a-} , %{duz-} , %{manaz-} , %
{vipaz-} , and %{huraz-ci4t} ; cf. also %{apa-cit} ; f. thought , 
intellect , spirit , soul VS. iv , 19 KapS. Bhartr2. BhP. ; cf. %{sa-
} and [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pure Thought (Brahma cf. RTL. p. 34) Veda7ntas. 
Prab. 



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> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
> > 
> > > On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > 
> > >> In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > >> sparaig@ writes:
> > > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > >> > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either that or they are teaching two different 
> techniques,
> > > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore 
> TMers
> >  > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most 
> slouching, one
> >  > in a lazy boy chair!
> >  > 
> >  > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are 
> known in the
> >  > broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> >  >
> > >>> 
> > >>> The horror of it all...
> > >> Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things 
> like Asanas and
> > >> mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed 
perfectly. 
> The intent
> > >> and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M 
> recited a poem by
> > >> Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little 
> understanding of
> > >> the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, 
a 
> little asanas
> > >> and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone 
to 
> become great
> > >> Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy 
> places, or do all
> > >> the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do 
> what he could and
> > >> consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that 
> demand everything
> > >> be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the 
> finger tips of
> > >> index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle 
> and the other
> > >> three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he 
said, it 
> is enough
> > >> that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we 
> pay attention
> > >> to, not all the other stuff.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and 
> there *are*
> > > many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of 
> other things.
> > > If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in 
a 
> chair.
> > >  
> > At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, ³I have 6 
> months to turn
> > you into yogis.² He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold 
> baths, fasting,
> > sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly 
> recommended),
> > etc. The impression he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > 
> > > In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > > sparaig@ writes:
> > > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > > > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers
> > > > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most 
slouching, one
> > > > in a lazy boy chair!
> > > >
> > > > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are 
known in  
> > > the
> > > > broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The horror of it all...
> > > Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things 
like  
> > > Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be 
performed  
> > > perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability 
is  
> > > good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. 
It  
> > > was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste 
of  
> > > the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and 
so  
> > > forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to 
become  
> > > great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy  
> > > places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show 
the  
> > > intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there 
are  
> > > teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if 
one  
> > > uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb 
be  
> > > placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three  
> > > fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is 
enough  
> > > that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we 
pay  
> > > attention to, not all the other stuff.
> > 
> > Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and 
there  
> > *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a 
number of  
> > other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, 
just  
> > sit in a chair.

It's interesting that when I change during a session
from TM to "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44)
my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff.
(naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya-
sauSumneSu)
Of course that's only my take on what that suutra
might actually mean. There seems to be several
differing opinions on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama"
really means. My translation is mainly based on
the "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya,
and all that...)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> >>
> > At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6 
months  
> > to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas, taking  
> > cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support  
> > (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave 
was,  
> > OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious.  
> > Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can purify 
the  
> > fastest." _
> 
> 
> Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key  
> instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to  
> have seen more skillful purification practices make there way 
into  
> advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can 
be  
> profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical.
>

Sitting, slouching, even lying down sometimes during TM is good 
enough. No need for rigorous postures. These may occur naturally 
anyway, during practice, or during TM-Sidhis, but no need to enforce 
them at all. The technique is powerful enough to take care of all of 
this. 

As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything 
will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain 
things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this 
may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; 
take it as it comes.'





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> OffWorld
> ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
> 
> DIXON
> No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
> different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. AOL 
> is expanding not shrinking.
> 
> ROFLMAO ! ! !
> Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
> 
> OffWOrld
> 
> 
> 
> Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a higher 
> percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white, 
black, Hispanic, 
> east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing
faster than 
> the TMO.
>
TMO growing? Probably still loosing meditators faster than new ones
are starting. Unless you are counting dollars or property rather than
meditators.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in 
particular?
  
  You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with 
  hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining 
  fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united 
  and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There 
  are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to 
  flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok 
  to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. 
  

There is a common photo of Guru Dev sitting on a tiger 
skin in Lotus and holding his hands in Chin 
Mudra.
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[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/2/06 10:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in  particular?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with  hands 
on knees 
> and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining  
fingers held 
> straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united 
and  the three 
> gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are 
all  kinds of 
> Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in  
specific 
> directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit 
like  that, As 
> I recall he didn't have any problem with it.
>

I don't sit without back support (too lazy) but I do at times like 
to sit with my fingers like that.  So I'm glad to hear he didn't 
have a problem with that.

Rick Archer, do you remember MMY saying anything about mudras and 
the chin mudra in particular?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular?

Vaj thought you'd *never* ask.



> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
> > 
> > > On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > 
> > >> In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > >> sparaig@ writes:
> > > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > >> > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either that or they are teaching two different 
> techniques,
> > > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore 
> TMers
> >  > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most 
> slouching, one
> >  > in a lazy boy chair!
> >  > 
> >  > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are 
> known in the
> >  > broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> >  >
> > >>> 
> > >>> The horror of it all...
> > >> Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things 
> like Asanas and
> > >> mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed 
perfectly. 
> The intent
> > >> and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M 
> recited a poem by
> > >> Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little 
> understanding of
> > >> the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, 
a 
> little asanas
> > >> and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone 
to 
> become great
> > >> Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy 
> places, or do all
> > >> the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do 
> what he could and
> > >> consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that 
> demand everything
> > >> be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the 
> finger tips of
> > >> index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle 
> and the other
> > >> three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he 
said, it 
> is enough
> > >> that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we 
> pay attention
> > >> to, not all the other stuff.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and 
> there *are*
> > > many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of 
> other things.
> > > If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in 
a 
> chair.
> > >  
> > At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, ³I have 6 
> months to turn
> > you into yogis.² He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold 
> baths, fasting,
> > sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly 
> recommended),
> > etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy 
> business.
> > Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, ³it¹s a race to 
> see who can
> > purify the fastest.²
> >
>







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/2/06 10:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in 
  particular?

You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with 
hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining 
fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and 
the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all 
kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in 
specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like 
that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[shempmcgurk]

What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> >> > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > >
> > > > Either that or they are teaching two different 
techniques,
> > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore 
TMers
>  > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most 
slouching, one
>  > in a lazy boy chair!
>  > 
>  > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are 
known in the
>  > broader meditational world for their bad posture.
>  >
> >>> 
> >>> The horror of it all...
> >> Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things 
like Asanas and
> >> mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. 
The intent
> >> and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M 
recited a poem by
> >> Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little 
understanding of
> >> the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a 
little asanas
> >> and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to 
become great
> >> Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy 
places, or do all
> >> the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do 
what he could and
> >> consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that 
demand everything
> >> be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the 
finger tips of
> >> index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle 
and the other
> >> three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it 
is enough
> >> that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we 
pay attention
> >> to, not all the other stuff.
> > 
> > Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and 
there *are*
> > many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of 
other things.
> > If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a 
chair.
> >  
> At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, ³I have 6 
months to turn
> you into yogis.² He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold 
baths, fasting,
> sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly 
recommended),
> etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy 
business.
> Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, ³it¹s a race to 
see who can
> purify the fastest.²
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:00 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> >>> At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6
> >>> months to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas,
> >>> taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back
> >>> support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he
> >>> gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get
> >>> serious.  Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can
> >>> purify the fastest."
> >>
> >> Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key
> >> instructions have fallen by the wayside.
> >
> > Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping
> > on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month
> > course at which these "key instructions" were given?
> 
> Exactly my point: probably ZERO, thus "key instructions have
> fallen by the wayside".

No, you've missed the point completely, as usual.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:00 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:  At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6  months to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas,  taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back  support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he  gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get  serious.  Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can  purify the fastest."  Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key   instructions have fallen by the wayside.  Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month course at which these "key instructions" were given? Exactly my point: probably ZERO, thus "key instructions have fallen by the wayside".
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

> > At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6 
> > months to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas, 
> > taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back 
> > support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he 
> > gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get 
> > serious.  Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can 
> > purify the fastest."
> 
> Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key  
> instructions have fallen by the wayside.

Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping
on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >>
> >>> In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >>> sparaig@ writes:
> > Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> >
> > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > have no problem controlling theirs.
> 
> 
>  Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers
>  meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one
>  in a lazy boy chair!
> 
>  Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in
> >>> the
>  broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> 
> >>>
> >>> The horror of it all...
> >>> Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like
> >>> Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed
> >>> perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is
> >>> good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It
> >>> was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of
> >>> the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so
> >>> forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become
> >>> great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy
> >>> places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the
> >>> intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are
> >>> teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one
> >>> uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be
> >>> placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three
> >>> fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough
> >>> that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay
> >>> attention to, not all the other stuff.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there
> >> *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of
> >> other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just
> >> sit in a chair.
> >>
> >
> > And if you can't sit in a chair for some reason?
> 
> Personally, I recommend learning the use of a meditation belt, they  
> have a long history of use in both Hindu and Buddhist yogis and are  
> portable (e.g. easy to to hiking). There are also some new ergonomic  
> mediation chairs and seats that look pretty cool. Some that I've  
> tried are quite usable.
>

Let me reword: and if you are physically incapable of sitting in a chair for 
some reason?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do.  Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs.   Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair!  Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in   the broader meditational world for their bad posture.   The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like   Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed   perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is   good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It   was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of   the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so   forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become   great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy   places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the   intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are   teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one   uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be   placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three   fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough   that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay   attention to, not all the other stuff.  Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there   *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of   other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just   sit in a chair.   And if you can't sit in a chair for some reason? Personally, I recommend learning the use of a meditation belt, they have a long history of use in both Hindu and Buddhist yogis and are portable (e.g. easy to to hiking). There are also some new ergonomic mediation chairs and seats that look pretty cool. Some that I've tried are quite usable.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that> >> advocate subtle effort and control do.> >> > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,> > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who> > have no problem controlling theirs.> > > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one > in a lazy boy chair!> > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the > broader meditational world for their bad posture.>The horror of it all...Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, “I have 6 months to turn you into yogis.” He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, “it’s a race to see who can purify the fastest.” _Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to have seen more skillful purification practices make there way into advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can be profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> 
> 
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >snip
> 
> 
> > 
> > I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or
> 5
> > years ago. To date, I
> > have spoken with two of the women. I never really
> > knew the first, but I
> > found her level headed and credible. I�ve known
> the
> > 2nd as long as I�ve been
> > in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her
> > case, nothing happened.
> > She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.)
> 
> Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask
> him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or
> not, because I assume it is, but to help my own
> understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one
> hand and then all this silly sexual and financial
> stuff on the other. 
> 
I see it as a contest or lesson to see what further results from 
Maharishi. Does it continue to form a piece of knowledge that 
advances our own learning, or do we see it as less and less useful? 

IMO, He's definitely worth paying attention to, whether I agree or 
disagree or neither with what he says and does. The Maharishi 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > >
> > > > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers
> > > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one
> > > in a lazy boy chair!
> > >
> > > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in  
> > the
> > > broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> > >
> >
> > The horror of it all...
> > Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like  
> > Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed  
> > perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is  
> > good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It  
> > was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of  
> > the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so  
> > forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become  
> > great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy  
> > places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the  
> > intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are  
> > teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one  
> > uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be  
> > placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three  
> > fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough  
> > that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay  
> > attention to, not all the other stuff.
> 
> Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there  
> *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of  
> other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just  
> sit in a chair.
>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> >
> > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > have no problem controlling theirs.
> 
> 
> Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers 
> meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one 
> in a lazy boy chair!
> 
> Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the 
> broader meditational world for their bad posture.
>

The horror of it all...
Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.

Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair.
 
At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, “I have 6 months to turn you into yogis.” He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, “it’s a race to see who can purify the fastest.”

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that> >> advocate subtle effort and control do.> >> > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,> > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who> > have no problem controlling theirs.> > > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one > in a lazy boy chair!> > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the > broader meditational world for their bad posture.>The horror of it all...Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Paul Mason]

The Shankara quote appears to be from 'Bhaja Govindam', verse 20:-

'Let a man read but a little from Gita, drink just a drop of
water from the Ganges, worship muraari (Govinda) but once. He then 
will have no altercation with Yama (Death).'  
- Stanza attributed to dRiDhabhakta.

The full translation of 'Bhaja Govindam' is on:-
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/bhajaGovindam.htm

Guru Dev singing 'Bhaja Govindam' is to be found at:-
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/recordings.htm




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >>  Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > >>  advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > >
> > > Either that  or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > > one for people  with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > have no problem  controlling theirs.
> > 
> > 
> > Ever see the picture from  Willytex's website of hardcore TMers 
> > meditating in Dome? They have  horrible posture, most slouching, 
one 
> > in a lazy boy chair!
> >  
> > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in 
the  
> > broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> >
> 
> The  horror of it all...
> 
> 
> 
> Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things  like 
Asanas and 
> mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly.  
The intent 
> and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited 
a  poem by 
> Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little  
understanding of 
> the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a  
little 
> asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone 
to  become 
> great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy 
places, or  do all 
> the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he 
could  and 
> consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand 
everything  
> be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger 
tips of 
> index  and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and 
the other 
> three  fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is 
enough that  
> the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay 
attention to, not 
>  all the other stuff.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many
> > > >>> Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought
> > > >>> M was just making  money.
> > > >>
> > > >> MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions
> > > >> where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the
> > > >> mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to
> > > >> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost
> > > >> in thoughts...
> > > >>
> > > >> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> > > >>
> > > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > >
> > > > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> > > 
> > > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers  
> > > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, 
> > > one in a lazy boy chair!
> > > 
> > > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known 
> > > in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> > 
> > The horror of it all...
> 
> No horror, just indicative of 1) their overall
> level of knowledge about meditation, and 2)
> how they approach their own evolution.
>


Ah yes. TMers are well known to be the fundamentalists of the meditative 
world...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> 
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >snip
> 
> 
> > 
> > I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or
> 5
> > years ago. To date, I
> > have spoken with two of the women. I never really
> > knew the first, but I
> > found her level headed and credible. I�ve known
> the
> > 2nd as long as I�ve been
> > in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her
> > case, nothing happened.
> > She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.)
> 
> Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask
> him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or
> not, because I assume it is, but to help my own
> understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one
> hand and then all this silly sexual and financial
> stuff on the other. 
> 
Well, I would be veryinterested in his response.  The only way I can figure it 
is that this is 
what Gurus look like and act like in Kali Yuga. We hold the ideal in our minds 
and hearts, 
but the manifest reality in this age is muddied up.  Still some of the students 
who seem to 
have reached some stage of enlightenment appear to be nicer and more "moral" 
people 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Peter]

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>snip


> 
> I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or
5
> years ago. To date, I
> have spoken with two of the women. I never really
> knew the first, but I
> found her level headed and credible. I�ve known
the
> 2nd as long as I�ve been
> in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her
> case, nothing happened.
> She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.)

Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask
him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or
not, because I assume it is, but to help my own
understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one
hand and then all this silly sexual and financial
stuff on the other. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> 
  Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that> >> 
  advocate subtle effort and control do.> >> > Either that 
  or they are teaching two different techniques,> > one for people 
  with lazy minds, and one for people who> > have no problem 
  controlling theirs.> > > Ever see the picture from 
  Willytex's website of hardcore TMers > meditating in Dome? They have 
  horrible posture, most slouching, one > in a lazy boy chair!> 
  > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the 
  > broader meditational world for their bad posture.>The 
  horror of it all...

Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things 
like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. 
The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a 
poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little 
understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a 
little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to 
become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or 
do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could 
and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything 
be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index 
and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three 
fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that 
the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not 
all the other stuff.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/30/06 12:11 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 6/29/06 9:12 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
wrote:
> 
> > And which would those be?
> > Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and 
have
> > a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically?
> > 
> You’ve been reading FFL for years. I shouldn’t need to reiterate.
>

I never heard you say you saw with your own eyes anything of any 
worthy note. Now trying to avoid looking into your past to see which 
of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have 
a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? I 
honestly cannot remember you saying anything that you yourself 
wirnessed.

Hey Off World – I haven’t been avoiding your question; I’ve just been busy and have fallen behind on FFL.

Back when I was around MMY, I was in awe of him. I literally believed that he was the prophesized second coming. Not being a woman, and never having been his personal secretary, I had no first or second hand experience of his sexual activities, and although I had heard rumors of those since 1970, I dismissed them as preposterous. The only time I entertained the slightest suspicion that something was going on was once when he was alone for a long time with a very pretty girl named Vicky from South Africa. For some reason, I just started having doubts. When she came out of the room, her face was flushed and my doubts increased, but I figured she was just feeling the shakti from his darshan.

Regarding money matters and other wacky schemes, these have always taken up a significant portion of his time. I sat through many meetings, late at night, when everyone, including MMY, was having a hard time staying awake, during which he brainstormed on money making plans in great detail. I always assumed that he needed the money to spread his message, but I often wished he would spend more time on knowledge and give his followers more personal attention. I thought, only Maharishi can finish the Gita commentary and write similar books. It’s a waste of his time to dwell on money so much. But he seemed to enjoy it, so what the hey? And these weren’t always grand schemes, although they often were. He could spend hours deliberating over the price of a bottle of amrit.

I didn’t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. I’ve known the 2nd as long as I’ve been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many
> > > >>> Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought
> > > >>> M was just making  money.
> > > >>
> > > >> MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions
> > > >> where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the
> > > >> mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to
> > > >> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost
> > > >> in thoughts...
> > > >>
> > > >> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> > > >>
> > > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > > >
> > > > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> > > 
> > > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers  
> > > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, 
> > > one in a lazy boy chair!
> > > 
> > > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known 
> > > in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> > 
> > The horror of it all...
> 
> No horror, just indicative of 1) their overall
> level of knowledge about meditation, and 2)
> how they approach their own evolution.

Well, actually, as I suspect you know, it isn't
a matter of "how they approach their own 
evolution" but of how they were instructed (I was
always told that comfort was the priority).  And
assuming I got the same instruction as everyone
else, even if some of them *did* know that other
approaches recommended an erect posture, again they
were following the instructions for *this* approach,
so (1) isn't accurate either.

But hey, you were a TM teacher, so you know all that.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many
> > >>> Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought
> > >>> M was just making  money.
> > >>
> > >> MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions
> > >> where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the
> > >> mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to
> > >> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost
> > >> in thoughts...
> > >>
> > >> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> > >>
> > >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> > >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> > >
> > > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > > have no problem controlling theirs.
> > 
> > Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers  
> > meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, 
> > one in a lazy boy chair!
> > 
> > Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known 
> > in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.
> 
> The horror of it all...

No horror, just indicative of 1) their overall
level of knowledge about meditation, and 2)
how they approach their own evolution.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >>>
> >>> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> >>>
> >>> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many
> >>> Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought
> >>> M was just making  money.
> >>
> >> MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions
> >> where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the
> >> mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to
> >> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost
> >> in thoughts...
> >>
> >> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> >>
> >> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that
> >> advocate subtle effort and control do.
> >
> > Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> > one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> > have no problem controlling theirs.
> 
> 
> Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers  
> meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one  
> in a lazy boy chair!
> 
> Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the  
> broader meditational world for their bad posture.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/2/06 1:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
> When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be  
> > > true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty  minutes 
> > and go 
> > > about your normal business. They knew  there was a lot more to it than 
> > that. 
> > > Just look at what  is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970.
> > >
> >  
> > Er, just what is "expected of us today?"
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and  Yagaya, Proper 
> > Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions.  In 1970 we were 
> told 
> > enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in  the morning and twenty 
> minutes in 
> > the evening and don't do anything  you know to be wrong.
> >
> 
> All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I  do, don't you? The MAK products seem 
> worthy in my 
> own experience. Jyotish  seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad "off the wall," but 
> you never  
> know...
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Spair, you're missing the point. Indians have known all along  that there is 
> more to getting enlightened than just doing a simple meditation  for twenty 
> minutes twice a day and not doing anything you  know is wrong  and that is 
> why 
> they were skeptical, not to mention the initiation fee which  turned many 
> off. 
> I'm just going by what Indian friends of mine have told me in  the past.
>

Actually, there's NOT any more that that. The Maharishi Branded stuff is merely 
auxilliary 
stuff that may be helpful to some people.

Of course, perhaps your Indian friends object to the ole "meditate and chop 
wood" 
scenario, also. That's OK. The Buddha had to contend with that objection also.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > > MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> > > 
> > > This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many  
> > > Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought 
> > > M was just making  money.
> >
> > MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions 
> > where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the 
> > mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to 
> > be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost 
> > in thoughts...
> > 
> > Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> > 
> > Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that 
> > advocate subtle effort and control do.
> 
> Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> have no problem controlling theirs.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:  MMY geared TM for  westerners.  This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many   Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought  M was just making  money.  MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions  where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the  mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to  be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost  in thoughts...  Can't be TOO easy or its not working!  Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that  advocate subtle effort and control do.  Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair!Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/2/06 1:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be 
  > > true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty 
  minutes > and go > > about your normal business. They knew 
  there was a lot more to it than > that. > > Just look at what 
  is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970.> >> 
  > Er, just what is "expected of us today?"> > > 
  > > Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and 
  Yagaya, Proper > Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. 
  In 1970 we were told > enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in 
  the morning and twenty minutes in > the evening and don't do anything 
  you know to be wrong.>All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I 
  do, don't you? The MAK products seem worthy in my own experience. Jyotish 
  seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad "off the wall," but you never 
  know... 

Spair, you're missing the point. Indians have known all along 
that there is more to getting enlightened than just doing a simple meditation 
for twenty minutes twice a day and not doing anything you  know is wrong 
and that is why they were skeptical, not to mention the initiation fee which 
turned many off. I'm just going by what Indian friends of mine have told me in 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 9:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> And now  you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian 
> immigrants in the  United States than M ever did"
> 
> So like I say...It looks like it is an  Indian religion. Good luck 
> wit'  that.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> 
> You might ask Dr.Pete about that. I wouldn't know. My only  point 
which 
> seemed to upset a couple of people was that SSRS has done better  
involving Indians 
> in America with AOL than M did with TM.>>


Thats just silly.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > > MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> > > 
> > > This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many  
> > > Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought 
> > > M was just making  money.
> >
> > MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions 
> > where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the 
> > mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to 
> > be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost 
> > in thoughts...
> > 
> > Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> > 
> > Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that 
> > advocate subtle effort and control do.
> 
> Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
> one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
> have no problem controlling theirs.
>

As someone who can get lost counting to 10 mentally, I'll take the lazy mind 
one, thanks.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> > MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> > 
> > This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many  
> > Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought 
> > M was just making  money.
>
> MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions 
> where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the 
> mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to 
> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost 
> in thoughts...
> 
> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> 
> Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that 
> advocate subtle effort and control do.

Either that or they are teaching two different techniques,
one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> When I  refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be 
> >  true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes 
> and go  
> > about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than  
> that. 
> > Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told  in 1970.
> >
> 
> Er, just what is "expected of us  today?"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and  Yagaya, Proper 
> Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we  were told 
> enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty  minutes 
> in 
> the evening and don't do anything you know to be  wrong.
>

All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I do, don't you? The MAK products seem 
worthy in my 
own experience. Jyotish seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad "off the wall," but 
you never 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> > Er, just what is "expected of us today?">>
> 
> 
> We have to listen to the bagpipes, and I friggin hate the bagpipes.
> 
> OffWorld (the Scot)
>

Ditto! And even more I hate the (up)tight sneer-drums accompanying
them!  :0






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/1/06 9:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And now 
  you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the 
  United States than M ever did"So like I say...It looks like it is an 
  Indian religion. Good luck wit' 
that.OffWorld

You might ask Dr.Pete about that. I wouldn't know. My only 
point which seemed to upset a couple of people was that SSRS has done better 
involving Indians in America with AOL than M did with TM. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[gimari03]

Sounds like you were THERE!

He wore make up too?  LOL!

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> 
> Accurate insight, in my opinion, Vaj. Ture believers will always find 
> reason to believe. Like the Jehovah's witnesses, the more you point 
> out the flaws, the stronger they grow. When they come to the door I 
> just tell them I'm a reformed Druid (we're allowed to worship 
> bushes). It's an old M*A*S*H* joke.
> 
> If you read Joyce Collin-Smith's "Call No Man Master" or Paul Mason's 
> Mahesh bio, it's perfectly clear that Mahesh is all about getting 
> himself worshiped. 
> 
> I clearly remember the newspaper stories: he declared his mission 
> failure and said he was retiring to the Himilayas. It was AFTER this 
> that the Beatles made him famous and he bounced back with a vengence. 
> First he created huge numbers of TM teachers (Mallorca, Fiuggi, La 
> Antilla). He coo'd like a dove cooing to another dove from whom it 
> hoped to borrow money (favourite Wodehouse quote) at the peak of 
> rounding: no one can love you like I can, you are going to save the 
> whole world, get the money from an auntie, from your gran 
> 
> Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6-
> month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all 
> of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than 
> anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided 
> more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda 
> with his lovely spin on it.
> 
> And the 'sidhi' stuff? He had no idea, literally. He sent people to 
> India to find yogis; he got obscure translations, he fiddled and 
> fumed and tinkered ... but what worked best was the cooing, get 'em 
> all spacey and suggest hopping. How simple; he'd always known that 
> people would pay him for what they expected to get in return and that 
> he never had any trouble convincing them it was their fault it wasn't 
> working. He still bitches about too much negativity, too little work 
> being done by others, yadda, yadda.
> 
> The "real" Mahesh is someone completely imaginary for most people. 
> But, yes, there was an inner circle, people who liked what they were 
> doing and since he was providing room and board and the company of 
> each other, they didn't particularly object doing it for him. But 
> behind closed doors, the discussion shifted to how completely bonkers 
> Mahesh was. Stripped of his public facade, he was a nutter with 
> charm, intelligence, charisma by the sackful. But his ideas and his 
> wast wedic wevelations were total kaka. It was all provided by people 
> who not only told him what the Sanskrit said, but what the Sanskrit 
> meant. 
> 
> It was all spindoctoring based on the work of others.
> 
> Do nothing, accomplish everything took on a whole new meaning. YOU 
> bust your balls and I take all the credit.
> 
> Well, that was fun. Nothing new, but fun. Those who see, see. Those 
> who don't see, still see. A finger points at the moon. Some will 
> always and only consider the finger.
> 
> Happy trails. There are better things to do than worry about some Jim 
> Jones type dressed in sheets and wearing makeup.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 7/1/06  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   
writes:
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested.. 
> > 
> > DIXON
> > No, because there are still  more people going to them, even of 
> > different ethnic identities, than  there are coming to the TMO. 
> AOL 
> > is expanding not  shrinking.
> > 
> > ROFLMAO ! ! !
> > Dixon says AOL is mostly  Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
> > 
> > OffWOrld
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen  involve a 
> higher 
> > percentage of Indians than any other single  ethnic group, 
white, 
> black, Hispanic, 
> > east Asian . But even with  out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing 
> faster than 
> > the  TMO.>>
> 
> Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how  there 
are 
> no Indians in TMO anymore.
> 
> You are right, because I can't  see one single Indian on this 
whole 
> page of pictures of TMO !
> _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/s42gn) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of  Indians in 
India. I 
> think you were quite aware that I have been talking all  along 
about Indian 
> immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India.  If 
you will double 
> back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has  attracted 
more Indian 
> immigrants in the United States than M ever did. >>

If you will double check back you will find that you said: "AOL 
meetings here are mostly Indians" "AOL meetings here are mostly 
Indians", "AOL meetings here are mostly Indians", "AOL meetings here 
are mostly Indians", "AOL meetings here are mostly Indians".

And now you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian 
immigrants in the United States than M ever did"

So like I say...It looks like it is an Indian religion. Good luck 
wit' that.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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When I 
  refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be > 
  true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go 
  > about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than 
  that. > Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told 
  in 1970.>Er, just what is "expected of us 
today?"

Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and 
Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we 
were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty 
minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be 
wrong.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 7/1/06 
  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com 
  writes:> > OffWorld> ...the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested...> > DIXON> No, because there are still 
  more people going to them, even of > different ethnic identities, than 
  there are coming to the TMO. AOL > is expanding not 
  shrinking.> > ROFLMAO ! ! !> Dixon says AOL is mostly 
  Indians , but mostly not Indians. > > OffWOrld> > 
  > > Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen 
  involve a higher > percentage of Indians than any other single 
  ethnic group, white, black, Hispanic, > east Asian . But even with 
  out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than > the 
  TMO.>>Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how 
  there are no Indians in TMO anymore.You are right, because I can't 
  see one single Indian on this whole page of pictures of TMO !http://tinyurl.com/s42gn

My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of 
Indians in India. I think you were quite aware that I have been talking all 
along about Indian immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India. 
If you will double back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has 
attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did. My 
comments have been strictly about Indians in the United States, no place else. 
Now, is there anything else you want to take out of 
context
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> 
> Er, just what is "expected of us today?">>


We have to listen to the bagpipes, and I friggin hate the bagpipes.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> OffWorld
> ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
> 
> DIXON
> No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
> different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. AOL 
> is expanding not shrinking.
> 
> ROFLMAO ! ! !
> Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
> 
> OffWOrld
> 
> 
> 
> Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a higher 
> percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white,  black, 
> Hispanic, 
> east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing faster than 
> the TMO.
>

Well, duh. Mature organizations tend to grow slower than young ones.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 7/1/06  1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > sparaig@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In 
> _FairfieldLife@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
> > , MDixon6569@, MDi
> > >
> > > 
> > > In a  message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > >  ffl@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
> >  > > in Indian involvement in 
> > > > AOL and the TMO is like  night and day in the United 
> > > > States.
> > > 
> >  > But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
> > > when TM  was popular compared to how many are in the US
> > > now when AOL is  popular? Big, big difference.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is a big difference in how  many were here then and now. But how 
> many 
> > 
> > > centers have  you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
> donating 
> > time  
> > > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there,  they 
> were. 
> > > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into  an AOL center or 
> > lecture 
> > > of some sort, try it and see  what you see. I think you would be 
> surprised. 
> > > It's mostly  Indians.
> > >
> > 
> > MMY geared TM for westerners.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is the main the reason why  it didn't attract very many Indians. They 
> > thought it was too easy to  be true and thought M was just making money.
> >
> 
> MMY still has that  problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they 
> inform you of 
> how  you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then 
> warn  you to 
> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in  thoughts...
> 
> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> 
> Obviously, MMY  just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle 
> effort and control  
> do.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too  easy to be 
> true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty  minutes and 
> go 
> about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it  than  that. 
> Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told  in 1970.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> OffWorld
> ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
> 
> DIXON
> No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
> different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. 
AOL 
> is expanding not shrinking.
> 
> ROFLMAO ! ! !
> Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
> 
> OffWOrld
> 
> 
> 
> Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a 
higher 
> percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white,  
black, Hispanic, 
> east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing 
faster than 
> the TMO.>>

Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how there are 
no Indians in TMO anymore.

You are right, because I can't see one single Indian on this whole 
page of pictures of TMO !
http://tinyurl.com/s42gn

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OffWorld...the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested...DIXONNo, because there are still more people 
  going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming 
  to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking.ROFLMAO ! ! !Dixon 
  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
  OffWOrld

Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve 
a higher percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white, 
black, Hispanic, east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing faster than the TMO.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 7/1/06 
  1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> 
  > > > --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
  > , MDixon6569@, MDi> >> > > > In a 
  message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > 
  ffl@ writes:> > > > > > > > 
  > > > Indians in large numbers attending. The difference> 
  > > in Indian involvement in > > > AOL and the TMO is like 
  night and day in the United > > > States.> > > 
  > But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s> > when TM 
  was popular compared to how many are in the US> > now when AOL is 
  popular? Big, big difference.> > > > > > 
  > > > > > > There is a big difference in how 
  many were here then and now. But how many > > > centers have 
  you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating > time 
  > > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, 
  they were. > > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into 
  an AOL center or > lecture > > of some sort, try it and see 
  what you see. I think you would be surprised. > > It's mostly 
  Indians.> >> > MMY geared TM for westerners.> 
  > > > > > This is the main the reason why 
  it didn't attract very many Indians. They > thought it was too easy to 
  be true and thought M was just making money.>MMY still has that 
  problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how 
  you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn 
  you to be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in 
  thoughts...Can't be TOO easy or its not working!Obviously, MMY 
  just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control 
  do.

When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too 
easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty 
minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it 
than  that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DIXON
<>

OffWorld
...the US Indians are the only ones interested...

DIXON
No, because there are still more people going to them, even of 
different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL 
is expanding not shrinking.


ROFLMAO ! ! !
Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of  Indians when I was there. Many of 
the 
> them are still in Fairfield or still  in to TM and are now living 
in 
> the US
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> It may seem a  lot to you, but your sense of perspective is 
lacking. Go to 
> any city in the US  where AOL is active and see the difference. In 
Houston, the 
> overwhelming  majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, 
usually south 
> Indian. I'm told  it's the same in other cities in Texas as well 
and apparently 
> DrPete is noticing  the same or something similar situation where 
he is. >>


So it is mostly US Indian religion...
Like I sayGood luck wit' that

(lol)

OffWorld

> Maharishi never attracted  large numbers of Indian immigrants to 
the TMO, not even 
> small numbers, they were  tiny or token numbers. >>>

Who cares.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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>
>  
> In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote>>.
> 
> << use scare tactics and other brain-washing  tools to keep you 
hooked>>
> 
> Do you have experience or reports you  heard about this? Specifics?
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on  
Line, refresh 
> yourself on the original post. People complained about having  
great 
> difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were 
being  held hostage. 
> LOL!>>

Ah yes, THAT aol. I had the same experiences. I would like AOL to 
completely be wiped of the face of the planet. Please God...do it.

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>
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> 
[I wrote, in response to Vaj:]
> The TM  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
> > you think MMY had  swiped them from Sivananda?
> > 
> > One of  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  
> > Purana.
> 
> Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras  are 
> actually, well, "traditional?G
> 
> Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very  traditional.
> Just because M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance  TM 
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>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> The TM  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
> > you think MMY had  swiped them from Sivananda?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > One of  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  Purana.
> >
> 
> Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras  are actually, well, 
> "traditional?G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very  traditional. Just because 
> M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance  TM doesn't mean he has 
> ripped them off from some other  teacher.
>

My belief is that MMY runs them through the filter of his own ability to 
reconstitute the 
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>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 6/30/06  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > ffl@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Indians in large numbers attending.  The difference
> > > in Indian involvement in 
> > > AOL and the  TMO is like night and day in the United 
> > > States.
> > 
> >  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
> > when TM was  popular compared to how many are in the US
> > now when AOL is popular?  Big, big difference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
>  
> > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  donating 
> time 
> > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't  out there, they were. 
> > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking  into an AOL center or 
> lecture 
> > of some sort, try it and see what you  see. I think you would be surprised. 
> > It's mostly  Indians.
> >
> 
> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many  Indians. They 
> thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making  money.
>

MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform 
you of 
how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then 
warn you to 
be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts...

Can't be TOO easy or its not working!

Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort 
and control 
do.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 6/30/06  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > ffl@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Indians in large numbers attending.  The difference
> > > in Indian involvement in 
> > > AOL and the  TMO is like night and day in the United 
> > > States.
> > 
> >  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
> > when TM was  popular compared to how many are in the US
> > now when AOL is popular?  Big, big difference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. 
But how many 
>  
> > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  
donating 
> time 
> > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't  out there, 
they were. 
> > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking  into an AOL 
center or 
> lecture 
> > of some sort, try it and see what you  see. I think you would be 
surprised. 
> > It's mostly  Indians.
> >
> 
> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> 
> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many 
> Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was 
> just making  money.

In India, presumably he gears it for Indians.
Probably aren't a whole lot of Western immigrants
to India who are learning it there.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote>>.
> 
> << use scare tactics and other brain-washing  tools to keep you 
hooked>>
> 
> Do you have experience or reports you  heard about this? Specifics?
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on  
Line, refresh 
> yourself on the original post. People complained about having  
great 
> difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were 
being  held hostage. 
> LOL!

There's a video on YouTube or Google Video of a TV
interview with a guy who recorded his attempt to
cancel his AOL service.  The AOL dude keeps trying
and trying to talk him out of it, and the guy keeps
saying over and over, "Cancel my account!  Cancel
my account!"  He's perfectly polite, just insistent.
Finally the AOL dude says, "Could you let me speak
to your father, please?"  The guy is 30 years old.

Here's his blog entry, with a link to the recording:

http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol/

Google "canceling AOL" for lots of other news stories,
blog posts, and so on.







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