[videoblogging] using Illustrator files for titles in either iMovie or FCP?
Hey there everyone ~ Does anyone know how to import illustrator files (.ai) to be used as titles in either iMovie or FCP? A huge thanks in advance! ~ ted -- Ted Tagami Business Development Millions of Us 80 Liberty Ship Way, Suite #5 Sausalito, CA 94965 www.millionsofus.com mobile: 510-684-9773 fax: 415-324-5902 skype: ted_tagami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Videobloggers YouTube Group - Anyone Interested?
I have wondered at the persistence of this group when YouTube has offered, for some time now, the ability to carry on a conversation in video instead of text. But it wouldn't be the same, would it? No. It wouldn't be. Because there is something unique about every communications medium and its effect on what is being communicated. And there is value in text-only correspondence. Is that heresy for a videoblogger? I don't think so. I see a few advantages to text-based group discussions that I don't really want to give up. One is relative anonymity. People can contribute angry, contentious, argumentative posts to a text-only group discussion to which they might not feel comfortable attaching their faces. And that can be a good thing. It can invite people to tell us how they really feel and to hash things out. Video conversations, like live conversations, are ephemeral. They can lose direction more easily than written correspondence. Written communication can be searched more easily and is also easier to digest in quantity. Writing forces people to think in a way that speaking extemporaneously to a camera does not. Videotaped conversations tend to be a lot like conversations in a bar: they wander, they ramble, they include a lot of aahhs and ummms and great gaping pauses that can be insufferable unless being uttered by a lover in a passionate moment. Writing forces one to focus. Editing is easier with written communication. Are people really going to videotape themselves responding to a politically hot topic on this board, then go through their footage and edit for style, cogency and concision? That takes a lot more work then reading over a paragraph and cutting unnecessary sentances or correcting grammar and spelling. In short, I don't think this group should move over to YouTube and become a video based conversation group. I think something will be lost. It's probable that something will be gained, too, but on balance I don't think it'll be worth it. If you want to make a video, make a video. The creative impulse toward video making and vlogging does not have to supercede what goes on here. In fact it can't and won't. I know many vloggers are making video diaries and experimenting with video conversations. And that's great. My advocacy of the text-based discussion forum is not a repudiation of those efforts. It's an attempt to distinguish the relative advantages of a written medium over a video medium for the purpose for which this group was formed. Would you want your exclusive means of conveyance to be a car? Are there not situations in which a plane is better. Are there not places only a donkey or mule can take you? -David --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also already on YouTube (freetimevlog), and I'd happily join any groups going. I need that networking! :) -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime Robyn Tippins wrote: I'm on YouTube already, so if you set up a group and invite us I'd certainly join you. Of course, I'm a social networking whore. Robyn From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RODLI PEDERSON Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:44 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Videobloggers YouTube Group - Anyone Interested? sure i would join rodli --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Patrick Cook patsvideoblog@ wrote: Hi everyone: A thought occured to me a little while ago that if there was a group that would probably be interested in a different kind of discussion group, it would be this one. And YouTube would be the place for it. So my question to all of you how many of you would be interested in such a group? What are the advantages you say? Well, the BIGGEST one would be that you would get to use your cam to compose posts just like you use your email editor to post here. The second of which is your fingers won't get worn out from all that tapping as your voice would do that in talking for about 10 minutes or so. Plus, we could use it to help support Josh just that much more. Lastly we'd also get acquainted and meet other vloggers from all walks of life who, for one reason or another, simply prefer to do it only via YouTube and/or other viral video sites. Anyhow, it was just an idea I had. Thoughts? Comments? Tar? Feathers? Flames? ALL OF THE ABOVE (Gulp!)? Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado WEBSITES - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS (Now In Vlog Format!) - http://asmywackedoutturns.blogspot.com/ Pat's VideoCast - http://www.freewebtown.com/patsvideocast/ Pat's Health Medical Wonders VideoCast - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ DIVB-TV | The Dumbass Idiots VideoBlog - http://dumbassidiots.blogspot.com/
Re: [videoblogging] That a look at this!
This forum is listed under best public forum. Jan On 2/8/07, Joey Profit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are perhaps looking at someone spamming a website? On 1-Feb-07, at 5:16 PM, sull wrote: why? please be more specific and/or avoid sending over 2000 people a link to nothing of interest. On 2/1/07, - Kenji - Lim Chee Wooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.myfreelanceportal.com/openurl/index.php -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com
[videoblogging] Re: Videobloggers YouTube Group - Anyone Interested?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see a few advantages to text-based group discussions that I don't really want to give up. One is relative anonymity. People can contribute angry, contentious, argumentative posts to a text-only group discussion to which they might not feel comfortable attaching their faces. And that can be a good thing. It can invite people to tell us how they really feel and to hash things out. Video conversations, like live conversations, are ephemeral. They can lose direction more easily than written correspondence. Written communication can be searched more easily and is also easier to digest in quantity. Writing forces people to think in a way that speaking extemporaneously to a camera does not. Videotaped conversations tend to be a lot like conversations in a bar: they wander, they ramble, they include a lot of aahhs and ummms and great gaping pauses that can be insufferable unless being uttered by a lover in a passionate moment. Writing forces one to focus. Editing is easier with written communication. Are people really going to videotape themselves responding to a politically hot topic on this board, then go through their footage and edit for style, cogency and concision? That takes a lot more work then reading over a paragraph and cutting unnecessary sentances or correcting grammar and spelling. There are many advantages to the mailing list format of this group. Like you said, there's the opportunity for relative anonymity, so that people can voice opinions that they can't necessarily back up with facts and then just drop the subject when they're proven wrong. This leads to a better discussion than when nobody wants to speak up when they have a different opinion. There's the opportunity to use spell-checkers if you want to seem intelligent. There's the opportunity to take an entire hour preparing a post that can actually be read in four minutes that makes it seem like you had all of those ideas in a row and could have duplicated what you aggregated before pressing enter in a live conversation, face-to-face with other people. There's the opportunity for people who read the list on mobile units to be a part of the discussion. There's the opportunity for people who want to read and respond to this group offline to save all the new posts and deal with them on the train home after work. There's the opportunity for people that don't have webcams to have just as much presence on the list as those that do have them. It'll be interesting to see the interactions between people from this group and youtubers, but it can only be an addition, not a replacement. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV
[videoblogging] mefeedia
I just wanted to share this: http://mefeedia.com/blog/press/ A lot of people have wondered what would happen to Mefeedia, and who is this new Frank guy? Well, he's putting the money and energy in mefeedia that I couldn't, and taking it to new heights. The thumbnails are working again, a lot of bugs being fixed, and as you can see from the about page, the team is still much the same (Devlon and Mike, and others coming on board). So I want to wish Frank the best of luck and I'm very happy that I found someone to take over the site and make it the place it can be... Cheers! Peter -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net
[videoblogging] New videoblogging tutorial looks awesome
This looks like a great addition to online resources on how to vlog Worth checking out. http://www.projectnml.org/exemplars/06vlog Learn about video blogging! With Steve Garfield, John Barth, Jason Crow and Four Eyed Monsters
Re: [videoblogging] New videoblogging tutorial looks awesome
Maybe it's my inner anarchist but my heart always sinks when a *right* way (or a way that can be taught) to do anything, - especially anything that was free quirky wild - develops :) Next thing you know people'll be making money out of vlogging.. michael --- jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like a great addition to online resources on how to vlog Worth checking out. http://www.projectnml.org/exemplars/06vlog Learn about video blogging! With Steve Garfield, John Barth, Jason Crow and Four Eyed Monsters Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are included in the link to the video enclosure file like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosureimg src=http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg; //a We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, but it seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website update that will address this along with many other bug fixes and new features. Best, Josh http://FireAnt.tv On 1/19/07, billshackelford bshackelford@bshackelford%40gmail.com wrote: My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do not utilize the Yahoo Media RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a legal reason.. why don't they just come up with their own namespace? I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails from Mefeedia but my thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my thumbnails show up on FireAnt? Here is my channel on FireAnt: billshackelford.com podcast http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com
[videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 duthied@ duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails.
[videoblogging] videobloggers in DC?
Is there anyone on this list live (or going to be) in the Washington, DC area anytime soon? It would be great to meet up and talk videoblogging. On the notion of meeting up, anyone planning on attending SxSW in March?
Re: [videoblogging] videobloggers in DC?
DC MEDIA MAKERS http://dcmediamakers.wordpress.com/ On Feb 9, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Jason Rosenberg wrote: Is there anyone on this list live (or going to be) in the Washington, DC area anytime soon? It would be great to meet up and talk videoblogging. -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking greathaven't seen anything beyond this. imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 duthied@ duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Could you expand that a bit? How easy is it for a layman vlogger to set a thumb in their post, then have it come out in the media:thumb element on their feed? I am not being sarcastic, I haven't played with mediaRSS as a content creator and am curious about the workflow...I'm still green in the mediaRSS world. Seems like until everyone adopts mediaRSS, or whatever comes out in the meantime, adding 'rel=thumbnail' to an image tag is easy enough...even for the layman. -- Devlon billshackelford wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are included in the link to the video enclosure file like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosureimg src=http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg; //a We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, but it seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website update that will address this along with many other bug fixes and new features. Best, Josh http://FireAnt.tv On 1/19/07, billshackelford bshackelford@bshackelford%40gmail.com wrote: My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do not utilize the Yahoo Media RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a legal reason.. why don't they just come up with their own namespace? I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails from Mefeedia but my
[videoblogging] Are you a nerd?
For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
[videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Ahar cheers thats where I had seen animated previews in the past but I forgot - Ro's flash thumbs - thanks for the reminder. Could you go into a bit more detail about the sorts of things youve done to ensure your feed looks good? How are you including a thumbnail for each post at the moment? I hope the momentum for improving on RSS can be rebuilt, there seemed to be a burst of activity a few years ago but not much progress since? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking greathaven't seen anything beyond this. imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, billshackelford bshackelford@ wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 duthied@ duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
Re: [videoblogging] Are you a nerd?
That gave me goosebumps. So what does that make me? -Verdi On 2/9/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Are you a nerd?
Great video... also fascinating that it was created by a professor of cultural anthropology. -Josh On 2/9/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That gave me goosebumps. So what does that make me? -Verdi On 2/9/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Are you a nerd?
That was a great video. We’ll see this one make the rounds of the blogosphere no doubt. Robyn From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Kinberg Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:57 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Are you a nerd? Great video... also fascinating that it was created by a professor of cultural anthropology. -Josh On 2/9/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:michael%40michaelverdi.com wrote: That gave me goosebumps. So what does that make me? -Verdi On 2/9/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= eurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] videobloggers in DC?
i'm in DC. when's the next meeting? - Original Message From: Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 11:59:20 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] videobloggers in DC? DC MEDIA MAKERS http://dcmediamakers.wordpress.com/ On Feb 9, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Jason Rosenberg wrote: Is there anyone on this list live (or going to be) in the Washington, DC area anytime soon? It would be great to meet up and talk videoblogging. -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Are you a nerd?
Yeah I got goose bumps too. Phenomenal. It's weird that when you are so deeply involved in something for a number of years, something you think is great and wonderful, but it's so big and complex that you don't really understand entirely why its so cool...you just kind of do. Then someone makes a clip like that which takes all the loose ends that have been swishing around in your head all this time and pulls them together, and everything just becomes clear and lucid again. I love the web and I love moving images. Mark (geek) www.dcinput.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That gave me goosebumps. So what does that make me? -Verdi On 2/9/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] videobloggers in DC?
Thursday, Feb 15th, 6:30pm-8:45pm, Southeast Library , lower level meeting room (located directly across the Eastern Market metro). Robyn From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Long Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:12 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] videobloggers in DC? i'm in DC. when's the next meeting? - Original Message From: Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:steve%40offonatangent.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 11:59:20 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] videobloggers in DC? DC MEDIA MAKERS http://dcmediamakers.wordpress.com/ On Feb 9, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Jason Rosenberg wrote: Is there anyone on this list live (or going to be) in the Washington, DC area anytime soon? It would be great to meet up and talk videoblogging. -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links __ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Well, the truth is that both approaches should be used. So if the effort can encapsulate supporting mediaRSS and rel=thumbnail then we'll be in great shape. Wordpress etc should natively support mediaRSS output. But a plugin is a good start. It could insert the rel=thumbnail and the feed could grab the same image for media:thumbnail. Feedburner needs to improve their support for thumbnails. Blip users should seriously consider using blip feeds instead of feedburner. Aggregators should do checks for media:thumbnail and alternatively, rel=thumbnail. Sull On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you expand that a bit? How easy is it for a layman vlogger to set a thumb in their post, then have it come out in the media:thumb element on their feed? I am not being sarcastic, I haven't played with mediaRSS as a content creator and am curious about the workflow...I'm still green in the mediaRSS world. Seems like until everyone adopts mediaRSS, or whatever comes out in the meantime, adding 'rel=thumbnail' to an image tag is easy enough...even for the layman. -- Devlon billshackelford wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are included in the link to the video enclosure file like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosureimg src=http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg; //a We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, but it seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website update that
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Yeah, I'd give one of my toes (maybe even two...) for Ro's source code. I haven't posted a vlog in a very long time, but when I didyup, every post had a thumb, just got used to it from the 'old days'. But I think now with flash embeds, people forgot that the embed 'visual' doesn't carry through to the feed and their feeds have no thumbs. If nothing else, the thumbs give someone who isn't already interested in watching your clip something that might entice them to watch. I've found lots of new feeds to watch just from scanning thumbsI can get a glimpse of what's inside the media...helps with the glut of it all. -- Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Ahar cheers thats where I had seen animated previews in the past but I forgot - Ro's flash thumbs - thanks for the reminder. Could you go into a bit more detail about the sorts of things youve done to ensure your feed looks good? How are you including a thumbnail for each post at the moment? I hope the momentum for improving on RSS can be rebuilt, there seemed to be a burst of activity a few years ago but not much progress since? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking greathaven't seen anything beyond this. imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, billshackelford bshackelford@ wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and
Re: [videoblogging] Are you a nerd?
It's already made serious rounds. I reblogged it the other day and I've seen it mentioned in several feeds I am subscribed to. It is a fantastic video. Reminds me of some ideas I had for experimental screencasting. Sull On 2/9/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a great video. We'll see this one make the rounds of the blogosphere no doubt. Robyn From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kinberg Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:57 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Are you a nerd? Great video... also fascinating that it was created by a professor of cultural anthropology. -Josh On 2/9/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]michael%40michaelverdi.commailto: michael% michael%2540michaelverdi.com wrote: That gave me goosebumps. So what does that make me? -Verdi On 2/9/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.commailto: jay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= eurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreedand agreed :) We are currently rounding out where we check for thumbs. -- Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com sull wrote: Well, the truth is that both approaches should be used. So if the effort can encapsulate supporting mediaRSS and rel=thumbnail then we'll be in great shape. Wordpress etc should natively support mediaRSS output. But a plugin is a good start. It could insert the rel=thumbnail and the feed could grab the same image for media:thumbnail. Feedburner needs to improve their support for thumbnails. Blip users should seriously consider using blip feeds instead of feedburner. Aggregators should do checks for media:thumbnail and alternatively, rel=thumbnail. Sull On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you expand that a bit? How easy is it for a layman vlogger to set a thumb in their post, then have it come out in the media:thumb element on their feed? I am not being sarcastic, I haven't played with mediaRSS as a content creator and am curious about the workflow...I'm still green in the mediaRSS world. Seems like until everyone adopts mediaRSS, or whatever comes out in the meantime, adding 'rel=thumbnail' to an image tag is easy enough...even for the layman. -- Devlon billshackelford wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. Currently, we can grab
[videoblogging] Blogged Hillary this morning
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[videoblogging] viewer feedback
how do all of you feel about the user feedback that you get? is it enough (like there is such thing as enough), or are you concerned that people are just watching and not getting involved. how do we turn that trend around? what type of tools do we need to really break the wall down and gain one on one relationships with the people who watch our videos? _drew www.pluggd.com
[videoblogging] How to build my own vlog hosting service
Hi all I would like to build a vlog hosting service for people to use, store videos, etc. Are there tutorials, templates, books, etc, that could be of help? Yours Laurence ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Yeah i made mention of videoblogging-universe.com earlier in this thread... and it was the first time I thought about RO for a long while. I enjoyed chatting with him back in the day. At one point, he and meiser and I were formulating a way to use his stuff through an open service- thats actually why SpreadTheMedia.org was born. But we just couldnt seem to keep momentum and RO left the scene. Ok, I am going to email him ;) Sull On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I'd give one of my toes (maybe even two...) for Ro's source code. I haven't posted a vlog in a very long time, but when I didyup, every post had a thumb, just got used to it from the 'old days'. But I think now with flash embeds, people forgot that the embed 'visual' doesn't carry through to the feed and their feeds have no thumbs. If nothing else, the thumbs give someone who isn't already interested in watching your clip something that might entice them to watch. I've found lots of new feeds to watch just from scanning thumbsI can get a glimpse of what's inside the media...helps with the glut of it all. -- Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Ahar cheers thats where I had seen animated previews in the past but I forgot - Ro's flash thumbs - thanks for the reminder. Could you go into a bit more detail about the sorts of things youve done to ensure your feed looks good? How are you including a thumbnail for each post at the moment? I hope the momentum for improving on RSS can be rebuilt, there seemed to be a burst of activity a few years ago but not much progress since? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking greathaven't seen anything beyond this. imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, billshackelford bshackelford@ wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip
[videoblogging] Re: videobloggers in DC?
Jason, We're meeting twice a month. Here's our details from our next activity. Definitely drop by if you get a chance. Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:30 PM - 8:30 PM Where S.E. Library Branch 403 7th Street, SE (corner of 7th D Street) Washington, DC, dc 20003 (Yahoo! Maps, Google Maps) Category Social Description DC Mediamakers is a group of video blogging enthusiasts from the greater DC area who get together twice a month to talk about video blogging and participate in collaborative video projects. The group was started in late 2006 and newcomers are welcome. This meeting will take place in the basement of the DC SE Library so we can have access to wifi and demonstrate some of our vlogging activities. Homepage --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DC MEDIA MAKERS http://dcmediamakers.wordpress.com/ On Feb 9, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Jason Rosenberg wrote: Is there anyone on this list live (or going to be) in the Washington, DC area anytime soon? It would be great to meet up and talk videoblogging. -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
[videoblogging] Re: mefeedia
Good luck with your future developments and your mission to make independent video on the internet easy to find and share. It's a worthy mission. Cheers! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to share this: http://mefeedia.com/blog/press/ A lot of people have wondered what would happen to Mefeedia, and who is this new Frank guy? Well, he's putting the money and energy in mefeedia that I couldn't, and taking it to new heights. The thumbnails are working again, a lot of bugs being fixed, and as you can see from the about page, the team is still much the same (Devlon and Mike, and others coming on board). So I want to wish Frank the best of luck and I'm very happy that I found someone to take over the site and make it the place it can be... Cheers! Peter -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net
[videoblogging] Re: New videoblogging tutorial looks awesome
I know that while some people like figuring everything out from scratch, lots of people like having reference materials when they are trying to learn something new. People have been teaching other people how to vlog for years. This is just another resource, and by the looks of it a useful one. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Szpakowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's my inner anarchist but my heart always sinks when a *right* way (or a way that can be taught) to do anything, - especially anything that was free quirky wild - develops :) Next thing you know people'll be making money out of vlogging.. michael --- jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like a great addition to online resources on how to vlog Worth checking out. http://www.projectnml.org/exemplars/06vlog Learn about video blogging! With Steve Garfield, John Barth, Jason Crow and Four Eyed Monsters Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [videoblogging] How to build my own vlog hosting service
depends on your intentions. you could use another services API (ie. blip.tv, revver.com) or you could install a youtube clone or WordpressMU with proper plugins etcetera. are you looking to cater to a niche? On 2/9/07, Laurence Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I would like to build a vlog hosting service for people to use, store videos, etc. Are there tutorials, templates, books, etc, that could be of help? Yours Laurence __ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Get Paid for Vlogging
I found a Program that is going to Start Doing Video Blog Ads. They will be paying for Video Blog (Commercials) in Positive - Neutral and Negitive tones. Right Now all those who are interested should join the group: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Paid_Vlogers/join Check out thier current money making site below:(right now its Text Ads - Video Ads are Coming) http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost This Program is going to Blow your Mind. ITS only $3.00 So get started now!!! http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost
[videoblogging] Re: Get Paid for Vlogging
You mean someone will finally pay me to make videos, me littl ole Batman Geek, the guy who ran with scissors, the guy who gave his wife a toy for mother's day! WoW!! I have been looking and looking and he it was all along for only 3.00 just wanted to get this end before this hoser was banned. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a Program that is going to Start Doing Video Blog Ads. They will be paying for Video Blog (Commercials) in Positive - Neutral and Negitive tones. Right Now all those who are interested should join the group: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Paid_Vlogers/join Check out thier current money making site below:(right now its Text Ads - Video Ads are Coming) http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost This Program is going to Blow your Mind. ITS only $3.00 So get started now!!! http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost
[videoblogging] Re: viewer feedback
Speaking only from my own experience, it's a very small minority of viewers who comment and interact. On one of my shows I developed an extremely active, interested and vocal audience who have created a project inspired by my efforts and tangential to it. They remain a minority of my audience, however. Several of those viewers (I don't like calling them fans for some reason) have written into my website several hundred times each. They have formed friendships with each other around the world and work together on various endeavors. What has surprised me is the lack of word of mouth, organic audience growth that I would expect to occur as a result of such a dedicated community. My audience, despite great loyalty and enormous enthusiasm for my work, never brings me another viewer. Okay, that's not their job and I value them for the appreciation that they do give me. The reason I'm sharing these observations, however, is that I see a corollary problem to the one you raise. Or maybe it's not a corollary, maybe it's a precedent problem, which is this: people are not, in the main, following independent shows whether journalism, diary or entertainment vlogs online, save a couple of the lucky standouts we all know and love. Consumption of internet video is a desultory affair for most people. I'm deducing this from my own experience and from viewing statistics on YouTube. I'm not saying it's entirely this way, but in the main it is. Why, I wonder? Well it seems there's something about chilling out in front of the boobtube that remains appealing, despite the myriad undiscovered gems that exist online. Passive consumption of long-format stories has its appeal, even for me, an active participant in this community. There's never anything on the vast wasteland. And so we re-watch things. Instead of seeking out something fresh online, many of us re-watch old favorites. I just re- watched the movie Network recently (which I highly recommend to anyone since it's a work of genius). I'm not proposing we ignore the issue you've raised. Maybe getting people to interact will go a long way to enticing people to watch vlogs in a dedicated, serialized way. But I think even that may not be the silver bullet. I think there will always be lurkers, people who want to consume but not to participate. I'm broaching what I think is a topic we need to discuss. For example, it may be that people are only watching in a scattershot way because they are unaware that there are continuously updated, serialized vlogs out there, whether artistic, journalistic, DIY, educational or fictional. Maybe the word isn't really out yet. Or maybe the experience of searching and finding this independent media is still a little bit too much, a little too annoying or enervating and so people continue to prefer to just pop a brewsky and zone in front of the boobtube. -David --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, bestdamntechshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do all of you feel about the user feedback that you get? is it enough (like there is such thing as enough), or are you concerned that people are just watching and not getting involved. how do we turn that trend around? what type of tools do we need to really break the wall down and gain one on one relationships with the people who watch our videos? _drew www.pluggd.com
[videoblogging] Re: Get Paid for Vlogging
Yo Heath don't be a hater. Didn't you read the website? It had lots of useful information. For example, pay them $3.00 and you can make Thousands of Dollars From Other Peoples Efforts How much? That's simple. They tell you, THAT'S THREE MILLION DOLLARS! Dude they put that message in huge blue type. How could you miss it? Pshaw! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean someone will finally pay me to make videos, me littl ole Batman Geek, the guy who ran with scissors, the guy who gave his wife a toy for mother's day! WoW!! I have been looking and looking and he it was all along for only 3.00 just wanted to get this end before this hoser was banned. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Admin hyipdigest@ wrote: I found a Program that is going to Start Doing Video Blog Ads. They will be paying for Video Blog (Commercials) in Positive - Neutral and Negitive tones. Right Now all those who are interested should join the group: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Paid_Vlogers/join Check out thier current money making site below:(right now its Text Ads - Video Ads are Coming) http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost This Program is going to Blow your Mind. ITS only $3.00 So get started now!!! http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost
[videoblogging] Re: Blogged Hillary this morning
Thanks for this Bill. She seems so much more personable in your vlog then she ever does on television news shows like CNN. Is it possible that editorial choices being made at network effect the timbre of our presidential candidates? -David --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://reelsolid.tv/2007/02/09/reelsolidtv-episode-39-when-hillary- is-president/ -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV
[videoblogging] Re: Get Paid for Vlogging
OMG you are right, the 3 million dollars WAS in blue type!! What was I thinking, everyone knows when you use blue type it's true.man do I feel like a moron nowgood catch David!! Hurry everyone act now before it's too late!!! Don't be like me. http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo Heath don't be a hater. Didn't you read the website? It had lots of useful information. For example, pay them $3.00 and you can make Thousands of Dollars From Other Peoples Efforts How much? That's simple. They tell you, THAT'S THREE MILLION DOLLARS! Dude they put that message in huge blue type. How could you miss it? Pshaw! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: You mean someone will finally pay me to make videos, me littl ole Batman Geek, the guy who ran with scissors, the guy who gave his wife a toy for mother's day! WoW!! I have been looking and looking and he it was all along for only 3.00 just wanted to get this end before this hoser was banned. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Admin hyipdigest@ wrote: I found a Program that is going to Start Doing Video Blog Ads. They will be paying for Video Blog (Commercials) in Positive - Neutral and Negitive tones. Right Now all those who are interested should join the group: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Paid_Vlogers/join Check out thier current money making site below:(right now its Text Ads - Video Ads are Coming) http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost This Program is going to Blow your Mind. ITS only $3.00 So get started now!!! http://3dollarfortunes.com/?id=sitehost
Re: [videoblogging] Re: viewer feedback
It makes me feel good to hear this. I often feel like, when I just ask people to email us or to friend us on MySpace, that I'm screaming into the void. I know I have an audience, because FeedBurner stats show the subscribers. I also, as far as I can tell, have never grown my audience through word of mouth from one viewer to the next. Early stats on Google Analytics show that most people who visit the website are new users who don't come from a search engine or directory. So, we're winning viewers largely by getting our URL directly in new hands. This all runs curiously contrary to how I thought things would go. Yes...Freetime is still just a toddler of a vlog, but I somehow expected the viral effect would be in stronger force. I think part of it's content, too, though. I've noticed on LiveJournal, friends of mine with the largest friends list are generally quite controversial. They give people something to argue about. I'm beginning to wonder if vlogs that don't give people a reason to regularly pound their keyboards in discussion just don't fan out. I see similar things happening in text blogs. Also, I wonder if the aggregator makes a difference. A lot of my audience comes from TV Tonic, and I didn't see ways for people to access comments, leave reviews, etc, using the TV Tonic software. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime Speaking only from my own experience, it's a very small minority of viewers who comment and interact. On one of my shows I developed an extremely active, interested and vocal audience who have created a project inspired by my efforts and tangential to it. They remain a minority of my audience, however.
[videoblogging] Re: viewer feedback
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, bestdamntechshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do all of you feel about the user feedback that you get? is it enough (like there is such thing as enough), or are you concerned that people are just watching and not getting involved. how do we turn that trend around? what type of tools do we need to really break the wall down and gain one on one relationships with the people who watch our videos? _drew www.pluggd.com That's an interesting question. I think we have to start out with the understanding that anywhere you go on the net, there are WAY more lurkers than posters. I think I read somewhere that the circulation for this list is something like 2500, and there aren't even 30 people that post on a regular basis. Even if you try to make a claim that there are 100 people that post, it's still a horrible ratio. I would suspect that the relationship between hits on a site and comments won't be changing any time soon without some sort of restructuring of the blogs themselves. On top of that, I think a lot of blogs are closed-ended, by which I mean there really isn't anything in them that calls for discussion or debate. It just IS what it IS. I'll watch Scriggity to see Shauna's antics, and I'll watch it to see your editing. By the end of the show, I feel a statement was made, and I watched the expression of that statement, and I don't have anything to say about it. There are other shows, like this one about a chick that lies to every guy she ever meets and then wonders why she can't get a decent guy, where I don't have anything POSITIVE to say, so I just skip it. :D Increasing viewer feedback is a tall order for both of those reasons. The video itself would have to prompt discussion, and then the viewers would have to actually participate... most of whom are lurkers, who don't participate practically by decree. This is why our friends inside YouTube have so many hits. The culture over there is to watch something and then comment on it and then tell your friends or your groups about it and have them comment on it as well. Now, they have video comments, so by commenting, you're creating another branch that's going to spawn the same type of responses. Also, the whole I'm sitting in my room in front of my webcam with nothing better to do than make videos for YouTube mentality is a sort of cry for help. It begs for someone to respond to it, and other people sitting in their rooms in Arkansas with a webcam can empathize with them and feel the desire to respond. That won't happen outside of social sites, because there's no community like that. It's like David said, it's random viewers pressing random buttons and very seldom latching on to anything. I think Zadi Steve have some good ideas @ JetSetShow, like having their viewers send in items that they actually use on the web site. I'm sure it makes the viewers feel like they can be a part of the show instead of just watching it. Actually, the whole format of their show invites teens to get involved and make media, either for their own purposes or to submit to JetSetShow for possible 'airing'. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV
[videoblogging] Re: Blogged Hillary this morning
You're welcome. Editorial choices ABSOLUTELY make a difference. It's ALL spin. I've cut countless news pieces, and every single one of them was created from material that a producer logged after someone went out in the field and got the footage. You can tell whatever kind of story you want when you're cutting things up. If you interview 30 people and 15 of them are pro and 15 are con, then you give the editor 7 pro and 1 con to put in the piece, you've chosen what to sell to your audience. Posting it the way I did was an influence from Rox @ beachwalks.tv. As an editor, I'm all about efficiency and just showing the good parts of what went on. I went to shoot an intro for her beachwalk in Central Park, and when I panned across, the duck I was going to 'land' on wasn't there anymore. :D I told Rox to do it again, when I was sure I could land on the duck's new position, and that prompted a discussion about how she likes to do things in one take. To me, that was a foreign idea, because if it's wrong, it's wrong... do it again. If there's no duck, do it until there IS a duck, and you know you have the footage to make the show you're trying to make. One of the things I came away with from that discussion with was the 'verite' of the un-cut shot. Even if there are boring or not-so-good sections left in the video, there's no denying that This.Is.What.Happened. There's no spin, other than the angle or zoom or focus or white balance of the camera. It's much more believable, because there's no agenda. That's how she looked. That's how she sounded. That's what she said. That's how she smiled. That's how the crowd reacted to what she said. There are no carefully-selected sound bites, pro or con. We'll see what happens @ 6pm, since that speech was this morning around 11:00am. I doubt any of the stations will carry it, because I only saw a couple of professional cameras there. I think one from channel 11, and one from Bronx News 12. Also, as you can tell from the video, there was no mention of Hillary Clinton until people started leaving, so it's likely that the few cameras that were there were out of position. Hopefully, someone will do what the news always does and narrate around a sound bite to make someone look the way they want them to look. That way, you'd be able to see the difference. :) -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for this Bill. She seems so much more personable in your vlog then she ever does on television news shows like CNN. Is it possible that editorial choices being made at network effect the timbre of our presidential candidates? -David --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: http://reelsolid.tv/2007/02/09/reelsolidtv-episode-39-when-hillary- is-president/ -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV
[videoblogging] Re: Are you a nerd?
Oh God. I just fell in love with a freakin' video. I am a nerd. In love. Bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
[videoblogging] Re: using Illustrator files for titles in either iMovie or FCP?
For FCP (don't know about iMovie so much) you need to export your titles in some raster format that is supported by FCP. AI files can't be imported directly into FCP. The file formats I use most often for importing graphics to FCP are Photoshop (PSD) or PNG files. FCP will read in basic PSD layers as layers in FCP, and it respects transparencies in PNG files. If you are doing complex graphical titles then this works ok. But if your titles are mostly text you would pobably be better off just using FCP's built in text rendering tools. This at least makes it easier to change the titles later if necessary. Also if you have FCP you should also have Motion and/or Live Type installed. These are much better tools for doing complex titles than Illustrator in most cases. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Digital Buddha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey there everyone ~ Does anyone know how to import illustrator files (.ai) to be used as titles in either iMovie or FCP? A huge thanks in advance! ~ ted -- Ted Tagami Business Development Millions of Us 80 Liberty Ship Way, Suite #5 Sausalito, CA 94965 www.millionsofus.com mobile: 510-684-9773 fax: 415-324-5902 skype: ted_tagami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have
Re: [videoblogging] Re: using Illustrator files for titles in either iMovie or FCP?
hey Bill - this is exactly what I needed! We need to import some chinese characters in the titles, so won't be able to generate them inside FCP. Thanks! - Ted On 2/9/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For FCP (don't know about iMovie so much) you need to export your titles in some raster format that is supported by FCP. AI files can't be imported directly into FCP. The file formats I use most often for importing graphics to FCP are Photoshop (PSD) or PNG files. FCP will read in basic PSD layers as layers in FCP, and it respects transparencies in PNG files. If you are doing complex graphical titles then this works ok. But if your titles are mostly text you would pobably be better off just using FCP's built in text rendering tools. This at least makes it easier to change the titles later if necessary. Also if you have FCP you should also have Motion and/or Live Type installed. These are much better tools for doing complex titles than Illustrator in most cases. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Digital Buddha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey there everyone ~ Does anyone know how to import illustrator files (.ai) to be used as titles in either iMovie or FCP? A huge thanks in advance! ~ ted -- Ted Tagami Business Development Millions of Us 80 Liberty Ship Way, Suite #5 Sausalito, CA 94965 www.millionsofus.com mobile: 510-684-9773 fax: 415-324-5902 skype: ted_tagami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Ted Tagami Business Development Millions of Us 80 Liberty Ship Way, Suite #5 Sausalito, CA 94965 www.millionsofus.com mobile: 510-684-9773 fax: 415-324-5902 skype: ted_tagami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
class=media-thumbnail ? Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is needed is standardization on the class name. Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type of block that refers to the video, like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosure img src=http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg; class=media-thumbnail / /a That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. my .02 cents... -Josh On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things,
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: class=media-thumbnail ? Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is needed is standardization on the class name. Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type of block that refers to the video, like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosure img src=http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg; class=media-thumbnail / /a That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. my .02 cents... -Josh On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Mike, if you read my more recent response, you would see that I pointed out the need for a plugin for blog engines, though it should def be a core feature, to output proper mediaRSS including thumbs. And I mentioned it wouldn't hurt to also include rel=thumbnail in the posts markup. of course there needs to be an input mechanism for a thumb... but the point you are missing... is that the effort to get people to markup there posts with a rel=thumbnail should not come without it being wrapped into getting better support for mediaRSS and its media:thumbnail. If you are going to rally people to do something new, or for a developer to add a new feature... then at this point all that effort should be focused on mediaRSS and your rel=thumb or class=thumb or whatever can ride the coattails of such a campaign. Secondly, regarding blip feeds and my suggestion to use them over feedburner I am entirely talking about video feeds. VIDEO feeds. I call them vodcasts. In the context of this topic, re: video thumbs, I am not looking at users general feed needs. I am looking at their VIDEO feed needs. And for video, there is no better feed than blip's if you are a blip user. There is nothing wrong with offering subscribers a feed with all posts and a feed with strictly videos. So my suggestion stands. This is the Videoblogging group, not the blogging group. Sull On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED]bshackelford%40gmail.com wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for img -josh On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: class=media-thumbnail ? Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is needed is standardization on the class name. Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type of block that refers to the video, like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosure img src=http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg; class=media-thumbnail / /a That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. my .02 cents... -Josh On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by
[videoblogging] Re: Are you a nerd?
I'm an analog and digital nerd. With geek tendencies. I am humbled that I am witnessing the future appearing before my eyes It is amazing and scary at the same time. Grok the flickers and pass the Jiffy-Pop, Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the real nerds out thereyou'll love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOEeurl= this video really lays out how videoblogging was just the next logical step in self-publishing. Now its about what we do with all this stuff... Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Bah, standards ;) but, yes, good point. -- Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for img -josh On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: class=media-thumbnail ? Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is needed is standardization on the class name. Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type of block that refers to the video, like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosure img src=http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg; class=media-thumbnail / /a That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. my .02 cents... -Josh On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Friday, February 9, 2007, 11:28:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for img So why not wrap the image in an anchor tag which _does_ support rel: a href='mythunbnail.jpg' rel='thumbnail'img src='mythumbnail.jpg'//a Then it will show fine in browsers, be XHTML compliant, and easy to scrape while generating a feed. Thoughts? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Yeah, although it would work, I think it's a bit more of a kludge (no offense in that term, btw) than using a 'class' in the img tag. (imho) -- Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Frank Carver wrote: Friday, February 9, 2007, 11:28:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for img So why not wrap the image in an anchor tag which _does_ support rel: a href='mythunbnail.jpg' rel='thumbnail'img src='mythumbnail.jpg'//a Then it will show fine in browsers, be XHTML compliant, and easy to scrape while generating a feed. Thoughts?
[videoblogging] Saturday Videoblogging FlashMeeting - present?
This coming Saturday, 2/10/06, FlashMeeting is set. The time for entry is 10am - noon PST USA, 1pm - 3pm EST USA, 18:00-20:00 GMT. Enter through this link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/7e0f3d-7301 You may also check the Videoblogger Videoconferences page at voxmedia for future and past Videoblogging FlashMeetings at: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Videoblogger_Videoconferences If you'd like to present how you do your work, go ahead and prepare links to it. Then present it when time becomes available. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com
Re: [videoblogging] Saturday Videoblogging FlashMeeting - present?
Thanks again for putting the FlashMeeting together Enric. I don't have anything to present but am looking forward to seeing what others have. Is there a list of topics will be presenting during the meeting somewhere? See you all there. --scott http://tokyocalling.org On 2/10/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This coming Saturday, 2/10/06, FlashMeeting is set. The time for entry is 10am - noon PST USA, 1pm - 3pm EST USA, 18:00-20:00 GMT. Enter through this link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/7e0f3d-7301 You may also check the Videoblogger Videoconferences page at voxmedia for future and past Videoblogging FlashMeetings at: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Videoblogger_Videoconferences If you'd like to present how you do your work, go ahead and prepare links to it. Then present it when time becomes available. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Saturday Videoblogging FlashMeeting - present?
On topics, I usually look at what the discussion has been in this group and see if anyone wants to talk about them. If there's a topic you'd like to discuss you can add it on this thread. ;), Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Scott Lockman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again for putting the FlashMeeting together Enric. I don't have anything to present but am looking forward to seeing what others have. Is there a list of topics will be presenting during the meeting somewhere? See you all there. --scott http://tokyocalling.org On 2/10/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This coming Saturday, 2/10/06, FlashMeeting is set. The time for entry is 10am - noon PST USA, 1pm - 3pm EST USA, 18:00-20:00 GMT. Enter through this link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/7e0f3d-7301 You may also check the Videoblogger Videoconferences page at voxmedia for future and past Videoblogging FlashMeetings at: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Videoblogger_Videoconferences If you'd like to present how you do your work, go ahead and prepare links to it. Then present it when time becomes available. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel I would hope and assume that Andreas would likewise stress the use of media:thumbnail. Ok, a discussion about mediaRSS came up here months ago and I chimed in. It involved mediaRSS and Drupal. I think it was the thread that Mike Hudack said that we would all be better off if Drupal didnt exist (though I hear there is a blip drupal plugin coming out ;). Anyway, Mike Meiser... you had said something to the effect that mediaRSS has failed us (videobloggers). I disagreed and simply pointed out that the culture is catching up with the need and usefulness of mediaRSS. So here we are again talking about different ways to do things instead of using what took months to spec out by an open group initiated by yahoo (andreas included). I understand the angle you are looking at this... I do. But I dont want the emphasis to be misplaced entirely away from furthering support of mediaRSS. Now I wont deny the idea to stick in a rel or class=thumbnail. I am fine with such semantics. But I just want to stress to you that if anyone is going to become a voice, collective or not, to encourage videobloggers to markup their posts in a way that defines a thumbnail and you want to get hundreds and thousands of people doing this then how can we not put efforts into getting media:thumbnail to be more widely used in conjunction with your proposal? That's all I am suggesting here. A prioritzation of sorts. Just focusing on rel or class markup can even be a step backward to getting mediaRSS more widely used. I'd like to avoid that. Alright so most people use Wordpress, correct? I typically do not but since it is popular, I am going to reiterate what I mentioned months ago about how to use wordpress custom fields to output mediaRSS... no plugin needed. But I will also search for nicer plugins instead of modifying the WP code. Drafting this... be right back ;) Back. http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?p=4 Alright, i spent 10 minutes. one-click install of wordpress from dreamhost. added a custom field during my first post called 'thumbnail' and added a url to image. edited wp-rss2.php with a few new lines of code. http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?feed=rss2 view source. media:thumbnail is in there. validates: http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vastmachine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Ffeed%3Drss2 Not so hard. I attached the wp-rss2.php to that post. Id rather tell wordpress vloggers to try this before telling them to markup their posts with thumbnail semantics. but both are good to do. thumbs are important. no doubt. sull On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED]bshackelford%40gmail.com wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Hi sull and all, 1) MediaRSS is what is preferred and chosen above alternatives b/c that is the standard. It would be great if all blogging platforms, feed providers, hosting providers, et all use the media:thumbnail standard. :) 2) However, since there are platforms that do NOT support media:thumbnail, what Mike is proposing is that videobloggers could use the img src= rel=thumbnail as an alternative... Hope that clarifies. Would be great for videobloggers to always have beautiful thumbs throughout the vlogosphere. :) -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Y: fsinton Skype: fsinton http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs and podcasts. Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel I would hope and assume that Andreas would likewise stress the use of media:thumbnail. Ok, a discussion about mediaRSS came up here months ago and I chimed in. It involved mediaRSS and Drupal. I think it was the thread that Mike Hudack said that we would all be better off if Drupal didnt exist (though I hear there is a blip drupal plugin coming out ;). Anyway, Mike Meiser... you had said something to the effect that mediaRSS has failed us (videobloggers). I disagreed and simply pointed out that the culture is catching up with the need and usefulness of mediaRSS. So here we are again talking about different ways to do things instead of using what took months to spec out by an open group initiated by yahoo (andreas included). I understand the angle you are looking at this... I do. But I dont want the emphasis to be misplaced entirely away from furthering support of mediaRSS. Now I wont deny the idea to stick in a rel or class=thumbnail. I am fine with such semantics. But I just want to stress to you that if anyone is going to become a voice, collective or not, to encourage videobloggers to markup their posts in a way that defines a thumbnail and you want to get hundreds and thousands of people doing this then how can we not put efforts into getting media:thumbnail to be more widely used in conjunction with your proposal? That's all I am suggesting here. A prioritzation of sorts. Just focusing on rel or class markup can even be a step backward to getting mediaRSS more widely used. I'd like to avoid that. Alright so most people use Wordpress, correct? I typically do not but since it is popular, I am going to reiterate what I mentioned months ago about how to use wordpress custom fields to output mediaRSS... no plugin needed. But I will also search for nicer plugins instead of modifying the WP code. Drafting this... be right back ;) Back. http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?p=4 Alright, i spent 10 minutes. one-click install of wordpress from dreamhost. added a custom field during my first post called 'thumbnail' and added a url to image. edited wp-rss2.php with a few new lines of code. http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?feed=rss2 view source. media:thumbnail is in there. validates: http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.vastmachine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Ffeed%3Drss2 Not so hard. I attached the wp-rss2.php to that post. Id rather tell wordpress vloggers to try this before telling them to markup their posts with thumbnail semantics. but both are good to do. thumbs are important. no doubt. sull On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED]bshackelford% 40gmail.com wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
yep, agreed and agreed. like i said, the effort should involve promoting both. same page ;) On 2/10/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi sull and all, 1) MediaRSS is what is preferred and chosen above alternatives b/c that is the standard. It would be great if all blogging platforms, feed providers, hosting providers, et all use the media:thumbnail standard. :) 2) However, since there are platforms that do NOT support media:thumbnail, what Mike is proposing is that videobloggers could use the img src= rel=thumbnail as an alternative... Hope that clarifies. Would be great for videobloggers to always have beautiful thumbs throughout the vlogosphere. :) -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank%40mefeedia.com Y: fsinton Skype: fsinton http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs and podcasts. Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel I would hope and assume that Andreas would likewise stress the use of media:thumbnail. Ok, a discussion about mediaRSS came up here months ago and I chimed in. It involved mediaRSS and Drupal. I think it was the thread that Mike Hudack said that we would all be better off if Drupal didnt exist (though I hear there is a blip drupal plugin coming out ;). Anyway, Mike Meiser... you had said something to the effect that mediaRSS has failed us (videobloggers). I disagreed and simply pointed out that the culture is catching up with the need and usefulness of mediaRSS. So here we are again talking about different ways to do things instead of using what took months to spec out by an open group initiated by yahoo (andreas included). I understand the angle you are looking at this... I do. But I dont want the emphasis to be misplaced entirely away from furthering support of mediaRSS. Now I wont deny the idea to stick in a rel or class=thumbnail. I am fine with such semantics. But I just want to stress to you that if anyone is going to become a voice, collective or not, to encourage videobloggers to markup their posts in a way that defines a thumbnail and you want to get hundreds and thousands of people doing this then how can we not put efforts into getting media:thumbnail to be more widely used in conjunction with your proposal? That's all I am suggesting here. A prioritzation of sorts. Just focusing on rel or class markup can even be a step backward to getting mediaRSS more widely used. I'd like to avoid that. Alright so most people use Wordpress, correct? I typically do not but since it is popular, I am going to reiterate what I mentioned months ago about how to use wordpress custom fields to output mediaRSS... no plugin needed. But I will also search for nicer plugins instead of modifying the WP code. Drafting this... be right back ;) Back. http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?p=4 Alright, i spent 10 minutes. one-click install of wordpress from dreamhost. added a custom field during my first post called 'thumbnail' and added a url to image. edited wp-rss2.php with a few new lines of code. http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?feed=rss2 view source. media:thumbnail is in there. validates: http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%25 2Fwww.vastmachine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Ffeed%3Drss2 Not so hard. I attached the wp-rss2.php to that post. Id rather tell wordpress vloggers to try this before telling them to markup their posts with thumbnail semantics. but both are good to do. thumbs are important. no doubt. sull On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED]bshackelford% 40gmail.com wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their
