Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Ken Hohhof]

Somehow that’s making me hungry for a BLT.

 

We had a local deli that made a killer turkey-bacon club with lettuce and 
tomato and cheddar cheese and horseradish mustard on multigrain toast.  The 
building was once a Cock Robin Ice Cream, still had the sign.  Went out of 
business 2 or 3 years ago.  Damn.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

 



 

You gotta admit virtual sammiches just don’t cut it…….

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Sammiches are an essential service 

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 5:33 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

But everything is virtual now.

索索索

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

By my need exceeds my ability to produce samiches (sorry for identiyism) and 
cambium is a monolithic evil corporation and should be putting sammiches on 
everyone's plate

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

It’s samiches….   And there’s still no more free lunch.   We’re going to make 
sure that every American pays their fair share

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to migrate to 
a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis cancelled?

Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?

 

And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

 

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

 

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

*   Device onboarding 

*   Monitoring 

*   Configuring 

*   Notifications – alarms & events 

*   Basic captive portal 

*   Dashboard 

*   Device inventory 

*   Network topology 

*   SW updates 

*   Maps 

*   Wireless & wired client view 

*   Floor plan 

*   Moving APs between sites 

*   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

*   Connectivity

*   Link test 

*   Performance KPIs 

*   RF Quality 

*   Satellite view 

*   Email notification

 

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

 

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

 

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

 

John

858-335-4384

 

From: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: John Seaman mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

 

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

 

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

 

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

Ryan your question is a little bit more complicated to answer because the 
answer is “it depends”.  For a smaller cnWave network you can enable the 
onboard E2E controller and it supports mesh/PMP/PTP.  In this case there is no 
requirement to use cnMaestro although it will be advantageous to use it as the 
NMS especially as the network grows.  The free version of cnMaestro will handle 
PTP and PMP but for a mesh configuration you would need a subscription to X.  
As an alternative to cnMaestro X you could use the Terragraph NMS but you would 
be on your own (or dependent upon Facebook) for support.

I’m sure Cambium will be publishing more details about cnWave/cnMaestro 
functionality in the coming weeks.  In the meantime feel free to contact me for 
more details.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Thanks for the clarification John. One last thing, if we are planning on 
deploying V5000 and V1000 should we be incorporating the CNMaestro X cost into 
each AP and SM to make the 60GHz Terragraph system work?


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:21 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
So I’m really confused now what would be the benefit of migrating to the free X 
version versus the free current version?


On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to migrate to 
a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis cancelled?
Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?

And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

•   Device onboarding

•   Monitoring

•   Configuring

•   Notifications – alarms & events

•   Basic captive portal

•   Dashboard

•   Device inventory

•   Network topology

•   SW updates

•   Maps

•   Wireless & wired client view

•   Floor plan

•   Moving APs between sites

•   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

•   Connectivity

•   Link test

•   Performance KPIs

•   RF Quality

•   Satellite view

•   Email notification

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

John
858-335-4384

From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Dave]

Thats cool and most awesome LOL!

Especially with 50 APs and 900 Subs on cbrs


On 12/8/2020 2:18 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:


Yes Ken.  For CBRS-only, you don’t need a subscription to X.  The SAS 
fee has you covered.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

And what’s the tl:dr for WISPs that only use cnMaestro for CBRS?  Does 
our $3/sub still cover that?


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Yeah, the detailed specifics. Is it just the stuff that has the pro 
flag now or will some of the rest me pay for use


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will
continue to be free for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and
why are free features in standard now pay in X?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:



That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for
wisps there are two pricing components: SMs (referred to as
tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2).  SMs are less
expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs
are $60 ($20 per year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6
GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet
support PTP 820).    Pricing for enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise
gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along
with Cambium Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support
service.   Standard tech support (8x5) is still free.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a
prostitute.

On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:

also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with
benefits so you get to be a friend with benefits if you
pay the fee.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be
60GHz ptmp when it arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per
device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long
but we still have to keep track of it.

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't
understand it.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you
explain these in more detail John



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I believe "config push" will still be a free
feature.  At least this is what John alluded
to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a
"PRO" feature when I login.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Id like to know the pricing on long term
data and multi tenant. I was reading the
manual on multitenant and so excited then
went to do it and was like damn, kick me
in the balls. we are cloud

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if
you do CBRS its more than config pushes
(also not free)

Does on prem let you do long term data?

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product
is too good to be completely free, there
has to be some revenue for support and new

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

When that times we could just call it Pro

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

You can't get to Z too quick, then there's nowhere else to go.  Or does it just 
roll to numbers then?  What will happen in 5 or 6 years when they're ready for 
the next major release.  I guess Google is already there with GoogleONE.
On 12/8/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Naw fam, Z this close to a pandemic will get people all nervous an shit, talkin 
bout cambium zombies all up in here.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:04 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
I’m all about the “Z” ship now..  “X” was s pre-2020. haha


Space X, iPhoneX, EdgeRouterX..


On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:59 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I think the X ship has sailed… no turning back to Pro.  I like X.  It sounds 
edgy ☺
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Is it too late to call it PRO instead of X?  Seems like that could have saved a 
lot of trouble.

Naming things has never been Cambium’s strength.  Look at the PMP 450 model 
numbers.  And going from FW version 16 to 20, what’s that about, is it like 
Windows 95?  I kind of thought cnMaestro X was version number X like Super Bowl 
X or Mac OS X.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

•   Device onboarding

•   Monitoring

•   Configuring

•   Notifications – alarms & events

•   Basic captive portal

•   Dashboard

•   Device inventory

•   Network topology

•   SW updates

•   Maps

•   Wireless & wired client view

•   Floor plan

•   Moving APs between sites

•   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

•   Connectivity

•   Link test

•   Performance KPIs

•   RF Quality

•   Satellite view

•   Email notification

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

John
858-335-4384

From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Steve Jones]

Naw fam, Z this close to a pandemic will get people all nervous an shit,
talkin bout cambium zombies all up in here.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:04 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> I’m all about the “Z” ship now..  “X” was s pre-2020. haha
>
> Space X, iPhoneX, EdgeRouterX..
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:59 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> I think the X ship has sailed… no turning back to Pro.  I like X.  It
> sounds edgy J
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:54 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
> Is it too late to call it PRO instead of X?  Seems like that could have
> saved a lot of trouble.
>
> Naming things has never been Cambium’s strength.  Look at the PMP 450
> model numbers.  And going from FW version 16 to 20, what’s that about, is
> it like Windows 95?  I kind of thought cnMaestro X was version number X
> like Super Bowl X or Mac OS X.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
> Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.
> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using
> it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start
> using it (also free).
>
> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>
> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the
> basic version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of
> these are Wi-Fi related):
>
> ·   Device onboarding
>
> ·   Monitoring
>
> ·   Configuring
>
> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>
> ·   Basic captive portal
>
> ·   Dashboard
>
> ·   Device inventory
>
> ·   Network topology
>
> ·   SW updates
>
> ·   Maps
>
> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>
> ·   Floor plan
>
> ·   Moving APs between sites
>
> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>
> ·   Connectivity
>
> ·   Link test
>
> ·   Performance KPIs
>
> ·   RF Quality
>
> ·   Satellite view
>
> ·   Email notification
>
> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to
> use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X
> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some:
> APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related
> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and
> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation)
> with a subscription to X.
>
> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro”
> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always
> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time
> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named
> cnMaestro X.
>
> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>
> John
> 858-335-4384
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>
> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
> management software that has a pay for future model?
>
> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t
> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through
> this mailing list?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the
> feature going forward.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
> cnMaestro X.
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Steve Jones]

Sammiches are an essential service

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 5:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> But everything is virtual now.
>
> 索索索
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> By my need exceeds my ability to produce samiches (sorry for identiyism)
> and cambium is a monolithic evil corporation and should be putting
> sammiches on everyone's plate
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> It’s samiches….   And there’s still no more free lunch.   We’re going to
> make sure that every American pays their fair share
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to
> migrate to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis
> cancelled?
>
> Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?
>
>
>
> And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.
> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using
> it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start
> using it (also free).
>
>
>
> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>
>
>
> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the
> basic version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of
> these are Wi-Fi related):
>
> ·   Device onboarding
>
> ·   Monitoring
>
> ·   Configuring
>
> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>
> ·   Basic captive portal
>
> ·   Dashboard
>
> ·   Device inventory
>
> ·   Network topology
>
> ·   SW updates
>
> ·   Maps
>
> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>
> ·   Floor plan
>
> ·   Moving APs between sites
>
> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>
> ·   Connectivity
>
> ·   Link test
>
> ·   Performance KPIs
>
> ·   RF Quality
>
> ·   Satellite view
>
> ·   Email notification
>
>
>
> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to
> use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X
> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some:
> APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related
> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and
> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation)
> with a subscription to X.
>
>
>
> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro”
> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always
> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time
> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named
> cnMaestro X.
>
>
>
> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>
>
>
> John
>
> 858-335-4384
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>
>
>
> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
> management software that has a pay for future model?
>
>
>
> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t
> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through
> this mailing list?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the
> feature going forward.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>
>
>
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
> cnMaestro X.
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Cassidy B. Larson]

I’m all about the “Z” ship now..  “X” was s pre-2020. haha 

Space X, iPhoneX, EdgeRouterX.. 

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:59 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
> 
> I think the X ship has sailed… no turning back to Pro.  I like X.  It sounds 
> edgy J   
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:54 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> Is it too late to call it PRO instead of X?  Seems like that could have saved 
> a lot of trouble.
>  
> Naming things has never been Cambium’s strength.  Look at the PMP 450 model 
> numbers.  And going from FW version 16 to 20, what’s that about, is it like 
> Windows 95?  I kind of thought cnMaestro X was version number X like Super 
> Bowl X or Mac OS X.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Sam Lambie
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF  > wrote:
> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  
> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it. 
>  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
> (also free).
>  
> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>  
> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
> version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
> Wi-Fi related):
> ·   Device onboarding 
> 
> ·   Monitoring 
> 
> ·   Configuring 
> 
> ·   Notifications – alarms & events 
> 
> ·   Basic captive portal 
> 
> ·   Dashboard 
> 
> ·   Device inventory 
> 
> ·   Network topology 
> 
> ·   SW updates 
> 
> ·   Maps 
> 
> ·   Wireless & wired client view 
> 
> ·   Floor plan 
> 
> ·   Moving APs between sites 
> 
> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
> 
> ·   Connectivity
> 
> ·   Link test 
> 
> ·   Performance KPIs 
> 
> ·   RF Quality 
> 
> ·   Satellite view 
> 
> ·   Email notification
> 
>  
> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
> the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
> the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, 
> Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to 
> enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and 
> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with 
> a subscription to X.
>  
> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” 
> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always 
> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time 
> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named 
> cnMaestro X.
>  
> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>  
> John
> 858-335-4384
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Cc: John Seaman  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>  
> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
> software that has a pay for future model?
>  
> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t 
> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through 
> this mailing list?
>  
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that 
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a 
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature 
> going forward.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>  
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  > wrote:
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
> of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Matt Hoppes]

So X... is that like the EdgeRouter X?  I assume this must be somehow 
related to Ubiquiti then?


/s

On 12/8/20 6:59 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
I think the X ship has sailed… no turning back to Pro.  I like X.  It 
sounds edgy J


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:54 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Is it too late to call it PRO instead of X?  Seems like that could have 
saved a lot of trouble.


Naming things has never been Cambium’s strength.  Look at the PMP 450 
model numbers.  And going from FW version 16 to 20, what’s that about, 
is it like Windows 95?  I kind of thought cnMaestro X was version number 
X like Super Bowl X or Mac OS X.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF > wrote:


It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium
model.  You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime,
and start using it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem
version and start using it (also free).

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with
the basic version.  These essential functions  include the following
(some of these are Wi-Fi related):

·Device onboarding

·Monitoring

·Configuring

·Notifications – alarms & events

·Basic captive portal

·Dashboard

·Device inventory

·Network topology

·SW updates

·Maps

·Wireless & wired client view

·Floor plan

·Moving APs between sites

·Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

·Connectivity

·Link test

·Performance KPIs

·RF Quality

·Satellite view

·Email notification

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you
want to use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps,
cnMaestro X provides the following “paid” features that will be of
interest to some: APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X
features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive
portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also get premium
tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a
“Pro” flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that
Cambium has always been planning to eventually start charging for
the Pro features.  That time has finally come, although instead of
naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro X.

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

John

858-335-4384

*From:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* John Seaman mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
management software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we
don’t start paying for this product that I know nothing about other
than through this mailing list?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:



Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes –
that requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently
flagged as a “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X
subscription to use the feature going forward.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the
complete list of what you get with the free version (the first
column)  vs. cnMaestro X.

https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

I think the X ship has sailed… no turning back to Pro.  I like X.  It sounds 
edgy ☺
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Is it too late to call it PRO instead of X?  Seems like that could have saved a 
lot of trouble.

Naming things has never been Cambium’s strength.  Look at the PMP 450 model 
numbers.  And going from FW version 16 to 20, what’s that about, is it like 
Windows 95?  I kind of thought cnMaestro X was version number X like Super Bowl 
X or Mac OS X.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

•   Device onboarding

•   Monitoring

•   Configuring

•   Notifications – alarms & events

•   Basic captive portal

•   Dashboard

•   Device inventory

•   Network topology

•   SW updates

•   Maps

•   Wireless & wired client view

•   Floor plan

•   Moving APs between sites

•   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

•   Connectivity

•   Link test

•   Performance KPIs

•   RF Quality

•   Satellite view

•   Email notification

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

John
858-335-4384

From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Ken Hohhof]

But everything is virtual now.

索索索

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

By my need exceeds my ability to produce samiches (sorry for identiyism) and 
cambium is a monolithic evil corporation and should be putting sammiches on 
everyone's plate

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

It’s samiches….   And there’s still no more free lunch.   We’re going to make 
sure that every American pays their fair share

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to migrate to 
a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis cancelled?

Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?

 

And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

 

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

 

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

*   Device onboarding 

*   Monitoring 

*   Configuring 

*   Notifications – alarms & events 

*   Basic captive portal 

*   Dashboard 

*   Device inventory 

*   Network topology 

*   SW updates 

*   Maps 

*   Wireless & wired client view 

*   Floor plan 

*   Moving APs between sites 

*   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

*   Connectivity

*   Link test 

*   Performance KPIs 

*   RF Quality 

*   Satellite view 

*   Email notification

 

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

 

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

 

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

 

John

858-335-4384

 

From: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: John Seaman mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

 

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

 

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

 

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

 

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Steve Jones]

By my need exceeds my ability to produce samiches (sorry for identiyism)
and cambium is a monolithic evil corporation and should be putting
sammiches on everyone's plate

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM James Howard  wrote:

> It’s samiches….   And there’s still no more free lunch.   We’re going to
> make sure that every American pays their fair share
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to
> migrate to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis
> cancelled?
>
> Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?
>
>
>
> And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.
> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using
> it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start
> using it (also free).
>
>
>
> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>
>
>
> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the
> basic version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of
> these are Wi-Fi related):
>
> ·   Device onboarding
>
> ·   Monitoring
>
> ·   Configuring
>
> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>
> ·   Basic captive portal
>
> ·   Dashboard
>
> ·   Device inventory
>
> ·   Network topology
>
> ·   SW updates
>
> ·   Maps
>
> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>
> ·   Floor plan
>
> ·   Moving APs between sites
>
> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>
> ·   Connectivity
>
> ·   Link test
>
> ·   Performance KPIs
>
> ·   RF Quality
>
> ·   Satellite view
>
> ·   Email notification
>
>
>
> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to
> use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X
> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some:
> APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related
> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and
> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation)
> with a subscription to X.
>
>
>
> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro”
> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always
> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time
> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named
> cnMaestro X.
>
>
>
> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>
>
>
> John
>
> 858-335-4384
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>
>
>
> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
> management software that has a pay for future model?
>
>
>
> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t
> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through
> this mailing list?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the
> feature going forward.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>
>
>
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
> cnMaestro X.
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
> 
>
>
>
> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has
> additional features not 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[James Howard]

It’s samiches….   And there’s still no more free lunch.   We’re going to make 
sure that every American pays their fair share

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to migrate to 
a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis cancelled?
Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?

And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

•   Device onboarding

•   Monitoring

•   Configuring

•   Notifications – alarms & events

•   Basic captive portal

•   Dashboard

•   Device inventory

•   Network topology

•   SW updates

•   Maps

•   Wireless & wired client view

•   Floor plan

•   Moving APs between sites

•   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

•   Connectivity

•   Link test

•   Performance KPIs

•   RF Quality

•   Satellite view

•   Email notification

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

John
858-335-4384

From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
additional features not available in the free version.


From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Ken Hohhof]

Is it too late to call it PRO instead of X?  Seems like that could have saved a 
lot of trouble.

 

Naming things has never been Cambium’s strength.  Look at the PMP 450 model 
numbers.  And going from FW version 16 to 20, what’s that about, is it like 
Windows 95?  I kind of thought cnMaestro X was version number X like Super Bowl 
X or Mac OS X.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

 

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

 

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

*   Device onboarding 

*   Monitoring 

*   Configuring 

*   Notifications – alarms & events 

*   Basic captive portal 

*   Dashboard 

*   Device inventory 

*   Network topology 

*   SW updates 

*   Maps 

*   Wireless & wired client view 

*   Floor plan 

*   Moving APs between sites 

*   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

*   Connectivity

*   Link test 

*   Performance KPIs 

*   RF Quality 

*   Satellite view 

*   Email notification

 

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

 

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

 

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

 

John

858-335-4384

 

From: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: John Seaman mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

 

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

 

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

 

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

 

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
 

 

 

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
additional features not available in the free version.

 

 

From: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Robert Andrews]

Wow, Steve just Wow, this post spews a whole lot of hate.  Towards 
"libtards" and members of the list.   This really feels like crossing 
the line.


And, unless I missed an announcement today, the Secretary of Health said 
on TV last night that the status of the recovered towards getting the 
vaccine was still an unknown.


Sorry "your guy" lost.   Sorry he doesn't have the grace to accept it. 
sorry so many seem to be drinking his kool-aid.   But I will be really 
upset if anyone decides to start civil unrest over this.


 At least in my neck of the woods, the testing is backed up enough that 
only those with self described symptoms or actual contact with the 
positives are getting tested.   So that removes many of negatives.  We 
are just getting through the peak that was generated from the election, 
next up will be the Thanksgiving peak and then the Xmas peak.  Our 
county has gone from 1-2 people dying per day to 8-10 people dying per 
day.  Funeral homes here don't have that capacity.   For our little 400K 
population, this is a real problem, not some manufactured problem.  But 
the worse problem is that so many have been brainwashed not to take the 
precautions that do work.  Like a Mask..




On 12/08/2020 10:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I laugh and laugh about libiots exposing themselves as the hateful 
bigots they really are whenever a right winger catches covid. I laugh 
even more when they recover quickly and move on like the vast majority 
of those infected with covid. Like right now, we have 6.1 million 
diagnosed cases active, which is over 30 million active cases per the 
god faucis numbers of 5x more undiagnosed for every diagnosed, and we 
all know god fauci is god, so that number is a fact, since gods dont lie 
and are never wrong.


CDC vaccine guidance states that those who have recovered are exempt 
from vaccination due to immunity since there is such a short initial 
supply due to FDA delays in approvals,


The CNN gods are really stressing that we are having 200,000 active 
cases diagnosed daily, and its got zero to do with the fact that we do 
the most testing on the planet, god sanjay gupta sad so, so that is a fact.


Whats that say?

since god CNN says 200k cases per day, and god fauci says its 5x that 
for 1 million cases a day, and god CDC says you are exempt from 
vaccination if recovered due to immunity. by christmas there will be 17 
million either recovered or nearly recovered, on top of the 9 million 
recovered, whch per god fauci is 45 million for a total of 62 million 
immune by christmas, by the gods on words out of 332 million (18.6 
percent of the population immune before the second dose of the fist 
vaccine is delivered)


What it says is, democrats arent getting themselves tested because 
theyre too worried about the narrative theyre trying to uphold, even 
though many happen to go radio silent for two weeks all the time. Or 
they would probably stop exposing their bigoted hate.



The above nonsense, where the left consistently spouts god facts then 
directly contradicts themselves so that cultists like jaime lash out, as 
designed (tds being similar to rabies, future PETs will be a fun 
collegiate study) is exactly why close to 70 million people have no 
interest in believing what said leftists have to say about an election 
where statistics dont support the outcomes even with the massive 
variables applied. To the point where a larger percentage of the nation 
than was active in the fight to clear up the england thing and bring the 
confederacy back into the fray are willing to accept the use of a 
constitutionally "legal" maneuver and deal with the guaranteed violence 
that will follow. This all happenning while we sit on a billion firearms 
and trillions of rounds of ammunition, majority in the possession of the 
referenced 70 million.


All it would have taken to avoid this from the get go was actual, real 
transparency. There is no reason voter rolls shouldnt be cleaned every 
couple years. Theres no reason mail out ballots needed to be sent out 
haphazardly, there are enough states where nitwits keep pointing out do 
mail in voting (as said nitwits conflate mail in voting with mass 
mailout ballots) , Theres no reason that ballot counting shouldnt be 
open to public gallery viewing and under audio visual surveillance, 
There absolutely no reason voting machines shouldnt be forensically 
audited every single time theyre used.


actual transparency would have gone a long way. But, like I sad, we need 
a good culling anyway Im good with any outcome. even if my guy finally 
accepts his loss, its only two years that its an issue anyway, And we 
can tie everything up in courts that we want anyway for that long, using 
the lefts precedent (chickens coming home to roost)


Instead of ulcering out and damaging more synapse like my texan friend 
here, sit back and laugh because this shit is funny as hell, both sides 
equally. Like watching a bunch of fat women fight 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Ryan Ray]

Thanks for the clarification John. One last thing, if we are planning on
deploying V5000 and V1000 should we be incorporating the CNMaestro X cost
into each AP and SM to make the 60GHz Terragraph system work?


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:21 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> So I’m really confused now what would be the benefit of migrating to the
> free X version versus the free current version?
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> 
> Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to
> migrate to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis
> cancelled?
> Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?
>
> And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
>> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium
>> model.  You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start
>> using it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and
>> start using it (also free).
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the
>> basic version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of
>> these are Wi-Fi related):
>>
>> ·   Device onboarding
>>
>> ·   Monitoring
>>
>> ·   Configuring
>>
>> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>>
>> ·   Basic captive portal
>>
>> ·   Dashboard
>>
>> ·   Device inventory
>>
>> ·   Network topology
>>
>> ·   SW updates
>>
>> ·   Maps
>>
>> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>>
>> ·   Floor plan
>>
>> ·   Moving APs between sites
>>
>> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>>
>> ·   Connectivity
>>
>> ·   Link test
>>
>> ·   Performance KPIs
>>
>> ·   RF Quality
>>
>> ·   Satellite view
>>
>> ·   Email notification
>>
>>
>>
>> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to
>> use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X
>> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some:
>> APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related
>> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and
>> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation)
>> with a subscription to X.
>>
>>
>>
>> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a
>> “Pro” flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has
>> always been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.
>> That time has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro,
>> it’s named cnMaestro X.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> 858-335-4384
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* John Seaman 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>>
>>
>>
>> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
>> management software that has a pay for future model?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t
>> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through
>> this mailing list?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that
>> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a
>> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the
>> feature going forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>>
>>
>>
>> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>>
>>
>>
>> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
>> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
>> cnMaestro X.
>> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> cnMaestro X has all the same 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Matt Hoppes]

So I’m really confused now what would be the benefit of migrating to the free X 
version versus the free current version?

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to migrate 
> to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis cancelled?
> Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?
> 
> And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  
>> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using 
>> it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using 
>> it (also free).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
>> version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these 
>> are Wi-Fi related):
>> 
>> ·   Device onboarding
>> 
>> ·   Monitoring
>> 
>> ·   Configuring
>> 
>> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>> 
>> ·   Basic captive portal
>> 
>> ·   Dashboard
>> 
>> ·   Device inventory
>> 
>> ·   Network topology
>> 
>> ·   SW updates
>> 
>> ·   Maps
>> 
>> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>> 
>> ·   Floor plan
>> 
>> ·   Moving APs between sites
>> 
>> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>> 
>> ·   Connectivity
>> 
>> ·   Link test
>> 
>> ·   Performance KPIs
>> 
>> ·   RF Quality
>> 
>> ·   Satellite view
>> 
>> ·   Email notification
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
>> the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
>> the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, 
>> Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to 
>> enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and 
>> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) 
>> with a subscription to X.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” 
>> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always 
>> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time 
>> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named 
>> cnMaestro X.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 858-335-4384
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Matt Hoppes  
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Cc: John Seaman 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the 
>> management software that has a pay for future model?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t 
>> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through 
>> this mailing list?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that 
>> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a 
>> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the 
>> feature going forward.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete 
>> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro 
>> X.  
>> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
>> additional features not available in the free version.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Matt Hoppes  
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Cc: John Seaman 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be 
>> free for SM and AP?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are 
>> free features in standard now pay in X?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Steve Jones]

Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to
migrate to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis
cancelled?
Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software?

And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:

> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.
> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using
> it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start
> using it (also free).
>
>
>
> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>
>
>
> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the
> basic version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of
> these are Wi-Fi related):
>
> ·   Device onboarding
>
> ·   Monitoring
>
> ·   Configuring
>
> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>
> ·   Basic captive portal
>
> ·   Dashboard
>
> ·   Device inventory
>
> ·   Network topology
>
> ·   SW updates
>
> ·   Maps
>
> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>
> ·   Floor plan
>
> ·   Moving APs between sites
>
> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>
> ·   Connectivity
>
> ·   Link test
>
> ·   Performance KPIs
>
> ·   RF Quality
>
> ·   Satellite view
>
> ·   Email notification
>
>
>
> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to
> use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X
> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some:
> APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related
> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and
> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation)
> with a subscription to X.
>
>
>
> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro”
> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always
> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time
> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named
> cnMaestro X.
>
>
>
> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>
>
>
> John
>
> 858-335-4384
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>
>
>
> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
> management software that has a pay for future model?
>
>
>
> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t
> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through
> this mailing list?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the
> feature going forward.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>
>
>
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
> cnMaestro X.
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
> 
>
>
>
> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has
> additional features not available in the free version.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be
> free for SM and AP?
>
>
>
> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are
> free features in standard now pay in X?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Sam Lambie]

Thank you John for the information. I feel better now!

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:

> It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.
> You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using
> it.  Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start
> using it (also free).
>
>
>
> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.
>
>
>
> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the
> basic version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of
> these are Wi-Fi related):
>
> ·   Device onboarding
>
> ·   Monitoring
>
> ·   Configuring
>
> ·   Notifications – alarms & events
>
> ·   Basic captive portal
>
> ·   Dashboard
>
> ·   Device inventory
>
> ·   Network topology
>
> ·   SW updates
>
> ·   Maps
>
> ·   Wireless & wired client view
>
> ·   Floor plan
>
> ·   Moving APs between sites
>
> ·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW
>
> ·   Connectivity
>
> ·   Link test
>
> ·   Performance KPIs
>
> ·   RF Quality
>
> ·   Satellite view
>
> ·   Email notification
>
>
>
> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to
> use the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X
> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some:
> APIs, Reports, audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related
> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and
> others.  And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation)
> with a subscription to X.
>
>
>
> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro”
> flag for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always
> been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time
> has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named
> cnMaestro X.
>
>
>
> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>
>
>
> John
>
> 858-335-4384
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> I am still really confused as is my distributor.
>
>
>
> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the
> management software that has a pay for future model?
>
>
>
> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t
> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through
> this mailing list?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the
> feature going forward.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>
>
>
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
> cnMaestro X.
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
> 
>
>
>
> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has
> additional features not available in the free version.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be
> free for SM and AP?
>
>
>
> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are
> free features in standard now pay in X?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are
> two pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to
> tier 2).  SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three
> year subscription the SM 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

It’s not really two different products.  Think of it as a Freemium model.  You 
can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it.  
Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it 
(also free).

If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription.

As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic 
version.  These essential functions  include the following (some of these are 
Wi-Fi related):

·   Device onboarding

·   Monitoring

·   Configuring

·   Notifications – alarms & events

·   Basic captive portal

·   Dashboard

·   Device inventory

·   Network topology

·   SW updates

·   Maps

·   Wireless & wired client view

·   Floor plan

·   Moving APs between sites

·   Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW

·   Connectivity

·   Link test

·   Performance KPIs

·   RF Quality

·   Satellite view

·   Email notification

The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use 
the API functionality and a couple others.   For wisps, cnMaestro X provides 
the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, 
audit logs.  Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi 
like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others.  And, you also 
get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X.

All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag 
for the last few years.  It has been no secret that Cambium has always been 
planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features.  That time has 
finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro 
X.

Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss.

John
858-335-4384

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: John Seaman 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?


On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
additional features not available in the free version.


From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). 
 SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 
550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Matt Hoppes]

So.,. X feature overview:


Device On-boarding
Monitoring
Configuring
Alarm and Event Notifications


So those things aren't available any more on standard CnMaestro?

Would be great if someone from Cambium could clearly clear up this mess.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Matt Hoppes]

I am still really confused as is my distributor.

Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management 
software that has a pay for future model?

Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start 
paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this 
mailing list?

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that 
> requires X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a 
> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature 
> going forward.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?
>  
> And no more payment gateways on captive portal?
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
> of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
>  
> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
> additional features not available in the free version.
>  
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes  
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: John Seaman 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be 
> free for SM and AP?
>  
> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
> features in standard now pay in X?
>  
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
> pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 
> 2).  SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
> subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
> year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 
> and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
> Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3. 
>  
> Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
> Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
> (8x5) is still free.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
> 
> On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
> also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to 
> be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.
>  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
> If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it 
> arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not 
> last that long but we still have to keep track of it. 
>  
> It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it. 
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
> I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
> John
>  
> 
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
> I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
> John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
> login.
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
> Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
> the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like 
> damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud
>  
> I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
> pushes (also not free)
>  
> Does on prem let you do long term data?
>  
> CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
> there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its 
> along the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free 
> and paid versions.
> 
>  
> 
> On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
> No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both 
> here to stay.
> You can download the feature list here.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - extraterrestrials

[Steve Jones]

It would explain mark zuckerberg

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Here’s one for Jaime.  Trump was on verge of revealing Galactic Federation.
>
>
> https://thehill.com/homenews/news/529300-israels-ex-space-boss-trump-was-on-the-verge-of-revealing-extraterrestrials
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires 
X.  Also correct on payment gateways.  It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” 
feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going 
forward.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
additional features not available in the free version.


From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). 
 SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 
550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
(8x5) is still free.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X


If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to be 
a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it arrives, 
so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long 
but we still have to keep track of it.

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
John



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
login.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like damn, 
kick me in the balls. we are cloud

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
pushes (also not free)

Does on prem let you do long term data?

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its along 
the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free and 

[AFMUG] OT - extraterrestrials

[Ken Hohhof]

Here's one for Jaime.  Trump was on verge of revealing Galactic Federation.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/529300-israels-ex-space-boss-trump-was-on-
the-verge-of-revealing-extraterrestrials

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[James Howard]

No more free lunch!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
additional features not available in the free version.


From: Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: John Seaman 
mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). 
 SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 
550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
(8x5) is still free.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X


If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to be 
a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it arrives, 
so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long 
but we still have to keep track of it.

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
John



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
login.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like damn, 
kick me in the balls. we are cloud

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
pushes (also not free)

Does on prem let you do long term data?

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its along 
the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free and 
paid versions.


On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both 
here to stay.
You can download the feature list here.
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/
It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Steve Jones]

Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then?

And no more payment gateways on captive portal?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:

> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
> cnMaestro X.
> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
>
>
>
> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has
> additional features not available in the free version.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* John Seaman 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be
> free for SM and AP?
>
>
>
> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are
> free features in standard now pay in X?
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are
> two pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to
> tier 2).  SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three
> year subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60
> ($20 per year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the
> PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for
> enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as
> Tier 3.
>
>
>
> Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium
> Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech
> support (8x5) is still free.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
>
> On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get
> to be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it
> arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not
> last that long but we still have to keep track of it.
>
>
>
> It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more
> detail John
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is
> what John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature
> when I login.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was
> reading the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was
> like damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud
>
>
>
> I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than
> config pushes (also not free)
>
>
>
> Does on prem let you do long term data?
>
>
>
> CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely
> free, there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement.
> Its along the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate
> free and paid versions.
>
>
>
> On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
>
> No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are
> both here to stay.
>
> You can download the feature list here.
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/
> 
>
> It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add.
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL?
>
>
>
> I can’t find a list of pay vs 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list 
of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs. cnMaestro X.  
https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf

cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has 
additional features not available in the free version.


From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: John Seaman 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?


On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). 
 SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 
550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
(8x5) is still free.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X


If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to be 
a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it arrives, 
so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long 
but we still have to keep track of it.

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
John



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
login.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like damn, 
kick me in the balls. we are cloud

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
pushes (also not free)

Does on prem let you do long term data?

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its along 
the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free and 
paid versions.


On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both 
here to stay.
You can download the feature list here.
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/
It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add.
From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X

So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL?

I can’t find a list of pay vs free features for X.

On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Steve D 
mailto:bigd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Near as I can tell, for us, it's going to be something we only 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SpaceX gets $886 million from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states

[Steve Jones]

You might have illinois beet on oversight, but no way do you have us on
grift

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:22 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Or go the other way.  NY State programs have so much oversight that it's
> stifling and you can't get anything done.
>
>
> On 12/7/2020 4:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> its almost as if when government gets involved there is no actual
> oversight and a ton of grift. ha, im just kidding, we need the government
> to run everything
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:01 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I get that, but in these cases where I’m looking the location is serviced
>> by internal fiber such as a university or the power companies own
>> connectivity and so that’s why nobody else reports service there but yet
>> somebody’s getting money to cover it with wireless.
>>
>> Bigger than that though we now have three competing funds all servicing
>> the same areas.
>>
>> We have RDOF, CARES, and ACT power grants. We literally have three
>> networks being built by three different companies over the same area
>>
>> > On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Coran, Steve 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Every census block was assigned a certain number of "locations" that
>> are required to be serve.  May it is 1, maybe it is 100 or some other
>> number.
>> >
>> > Stephen E. Coran
>> > Attorney, Lerman Senter PLLC
>> > 2001 L Street NW | Suite 400 | Washington DC 20036
>> > 202-416-6744 (d) | 202-669-3288 (m)
>> > sco...@lermansenter.com
>> > Twitter | LinkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: members-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf
>> Of Matt Hoppes
>> > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:28 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; <
>> memb...@wispa.org> 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] SpaceX gets $886 million from FCC
>> to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
>> >
>> > So we just looked into this and SpaceX is doing a power grab. They
>> literally have little dots around the area up and sometimes big areas that
>> don’t have people in them.
>> >
>> > It appears they have applied for funding to service the electric
>> substation’s and athletic fields and other places where no one lives and
>> that’s why there’s no broadband being reported.
>> >
>> >> On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So we just looked into this and SpaceX is doing a power grab. They
>> literally have little dots around the area up and sometimes big areas that
>> don’t have people in them.
>> >>
>> >> It appears they have applied for funding to service the electric
>> substation’s and athletic fields and other places where no one lives and
>> that’s why there’s no broadband being reported.
>> > ___
>> > Members mailing list
>> > memb...@wispa.org
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>> > ___
>> > Members mailing list
>> > memb...@wispa.org
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[John Seaman via AF]

Yes Ken.  For CBRS-only, you don’t need a subscription to X.  The SAS fee has 
you covered.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

And what’s the tl:dr for WISPs that only use cnMaestro for CBRS?  Does our 
$3/sub still cover that?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Yeah, the detailed specifics. Is it just the stuff that has the pro flag now or 
will some of the rest me pay for use

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). 
 SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 
550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
(8x5) is still free.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X


If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to be 
a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it arrives, 
so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long 
but we still have to keep track of it.

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
John



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
login.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like damn, 
kick me in the balls. we are cloud

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
pushes (also not free)

Does on prem let you do long term data?

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its along 
the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free and 
paid versions.


On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both 
here to stay.
You can download the feature list here.
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/
It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add.
From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X

So does this 

[AFMUG] OT: Let the vaccinations begin

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I had to chuckle. The first two people in the UK to get the
  Pfizer vaccine today were 90 year-old Margaret Keenan, and 81
  year-old William Shakespeare. The name of the second patient
  prompted this:


  The second person to be vaccinated at the hospital was
  81-year-old William Shakespeare, whose name prompted an
  inevitable flurry of puns. The Metro newspaper tweeted a
  picture of him with the caption “The Taming of the Flu.” One
  person on social media asked if Keenan was patient 1A, then
  was Shakespeare “Patient 2B or not 2B?” Another chimed in with
  “The Two Gentlemen of Corona.”

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccine-pfizer-uk/2020/12/08/f78a8978-3676-11eb-9699-00d311f13d2d_story.html)


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Steve Jones]

I think swallwell is patient zero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XK797-vj4k


but

While i think nadler is a slimy little pedo, it has become apparent he was
doing his part in not risking the spread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_URQt6BBFI

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:06 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, Rudy farting was funny, the rest not so much.
>
>
>
> A Google search on farting and Covid says Stephen Colbert recommended that
> people fart into their elbow.  Good to know.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles
>
>
>
> I laugh and laugh about libiots exposing themselves as the hateful bigots
> they really are whenever a right winger catches covid. I laugh even more
> when they recover quickly and move on like the vast majority of those
> infected with covid. Like right now, we have 6.1 million diagnosed cases
> active, which is over 30 million active cases per the god faucis numbers of
> 5x more undiagnosed for every diagnosed, and we all know god fauci is god,
> so that number is a fact, since gods dont lie and are never wrong.
>
>
>
> CDC vaccine guidance states that those who have recovered are exempt from
> vaccination due to immunity since there is such a short initial supply due
> to FDA delays in approvals,
>
>
>
> The CNN gods are really stressing that we are having 200,000 active cases
> diagnosed daily, and its got zero to do with the fact that we do the most
> testing on the planet, god sanjay gupta sad so, so that is a fact.
>
>
>
> Whats that say?
>
>
>
> since god CNN says 200k cases per day, and god fauci says its 5x that for
> 1 million cases a day, and god CDC says you are exempt from vaccination if
> recovered due to immunity. by christmas there will be 17 million either
> recovered or nearly recovered, on top of the 9 million recovered, whch per
> god fauci is 45 million for a total of 62 million immune by christmas, by
> the gods on words out of 332 million (18.6 percent of the population immune
> before the second dose of the fist vaccine is delivered)
>
>
>
> What it says is, democrats arent getting themselves tested because theyre
> too worried about the narrative theyre trying to uphold, even though many
> happen to go radio silent for two weeks all the time. Or they would
> probably stop exposing their bigoted hate.
>
>
>
>
>
> The above nonsense, where the left consistently spouts god facts then
> directly contradicts themselves so that cultists like jaime lash out, as
> designed (tds being similar to rabies, future PETs will be a fun collegiate
> study) is exactly why close to 70 million people have no interest in
> believing what said leftists have to say about an election where statistics
> dont support the outcomes even with the massive variables applied. To the
> point where a larger percentage of the nation than was active in the fight
> to clear up the england thing and bring the confederacy back into the fray
> are willing to accept the use of a constitutionally "legal" maneuver and
> deal with the guaranteed violence that will follow. This all
> happenning while we sit on a billion firearms and trillions of rounds of
> ammunition, majority in the possession of the referenced 70 million.
>
>
>
> All it would have taken to avoid this from the get go was actual, real
> transparency. There is no reason voter rolls shouldnt be cleaned every
> couple years. Theres no reason mail out ballots needed to be sent out
> haphazardly, there are enough states where nitwits keep pointing out do
> mail in voting (as said nitwits conflate mail in voting with mass mailout
> ballots) , Theres no reason that ballot counting shouldnt be open to public
> gallery viewing and under audio visual surveillance, There absolutely no
> reason voting machines shouldnt be forensically audited every single time
> theyre used.
>
>
>
> actual transparency would have gone a long way. But, like I sad, we need a
> good culling anyway Im good with any outcome. even if my guy finally
> accepts his loss, its only two years that its an issue anyway, And we can
> tie everything up in courts that we want anyway for that long, using the
> lefts precedent (chickens coming home to roost)
>
>
>
> Instead of ulcering out and damaging more synapse like my texan friend
> here, sit back and laugh because this shit is funny as hell, both sides
> equally. Like watching a bunch of fat women fight over an old jelly donut
> on a trampoline. Get the laughs while you can, because if my team gets
> their way, there will be gunfire in the streets and aside my my reeducation
> facility, that wont be funny at all
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> A couple months back, wasn't someone on this list speculating whether
> Covid-19 could be spread via flatus and whether some people might need to
> wear a second mask?
>
> And now we have Rudy Tooty.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Ken Hohhof]

And what’s the tl:dr for WISPs that only use cnMaestro for CBRS?  Does our 
$3/sub still cover that?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

Yeah, the detailed specifics. Is it just the stuff that has the pro flag now or 
will some of the rest me pay for use

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

 

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?





On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). 
 SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 
550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.  

 

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
(8x5) is still free. 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

 

If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.

On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:

also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to be 
a friend with benefits if you pay the fee. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it arrives, 
so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long 
but we still have to keep track of it.  

 

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it. 

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
John 

 



 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
login.

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like damn, 
kick me in the balls. we are cloud 

 

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
pushes (also not free)

 

Does on prem let you do long term data?

 

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its along 
the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free and 
paid versions.

 

On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:

No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both 
here to stay.

You can download the feature list here.

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/ 

 

It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X

 

So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL?

 

I can’t find a list of pay vs free features for X. 

 

On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Steve D mailto:bigd...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Near as I can tell, for us, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, Rudy farting was funny, the rest not so much.

 

A Google search on farting and Covid says Stephen Colbert recommended that 
people fart into their elbow.  Good to know.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

 

I laugh and laugh about libiots exposing themselves as the hateful bigots they 
really are whenever a right winger catches covid. I laugh even more when they 
recover quickly and move on like the vast majority of those infected with 
covid. Like right now, we have 6.1 million diagnosed cases active, which is 
over 30 million active cases per the god faucis numbers of 5x more undiagnosed 
for every diagnosed, and we all know god fauci is god, so that number is a 
fact, since gods dont lie and are never wrong.

 

CDC vaccine guidance states that those who have recovered are exempt from 
vaccination due to immunity since there is such a short initial supply due to 
FDA delays in approvals, 

 

The CNN gods are really stressing that we are having 200,000 active cases 
diagnosed daily, and its got zero to do with the fact that we do the most 
testing on the planet, god sanjay gupta sad so, so that is a fact.

 

Whats that say?

 

since god CNN says 200k cases per day, and god fauci says its 5x that for 1 
million cases a day, and god CDC says you are exempt from vaccination if 
recovered due to immunity. by christmas there will be 17 million either 
recovered or nearly recovered, on top of the 9 million recovered, whch per god 
fauci is 45 million for a total of 62 million immune by christmas, by the gods 
on words out of 332 million (18.6 percent of the population immune before the 
second dose of the fist vaccine is delivered)

 

What it says is, democrats arent getting themselves tested because theyre too 
worried about the narrative theyre trying to uphold, even though many happen to 
go radio silent for two weeks all the time. Or they would probably stop 
exposing their bigoted hate.

 

 

The above nonsense, where the left consistently spouts god facts then directly 
contradicts themselves so that cultists like jaime lash out, as designed (tds 
being similar to rabies, future PETs will be a fun collegiate study) is exactly 
why close to 70 million people have no interest in believing what said leftists 
have to say about an election where statistics dont support the outcomes even 
with the massive variables applied. To the point where a larger percentage of 
the nation than was active in the fight to clear up the england thing and bring 
the confederacy back into the fray are willing to accept the use of a 
constitutionally "legal" maneuver and deal with the guaranteed violence that 
will follow. This all happenning while we sit on a billion firearms and 
trillions of rounds of ammunition, majority in the possession of the referenced 
70 million.

 

All it would have taken to avoid this from the get go was actual, real 
transparency. There is no reason voter rolls shouldnt be cleaned every couple 
years. Theres no reason mail out ballots needed to be sent out haphazardly, 
there are enough states where nitwits keep pointing out do mail in voting (as 
said nitwits conflate mail in voting with mass mailout ballots) , Theres no 
reason that ballot counting shouldnt be open to public gallery viewing and 
under audio visual surveillance, There absolutely no reason voting machines 
shouldnt be forensically audited every single time theyre used.

 

actual transparency would have gone a long way. But, like I sad, we need a good 
culling anyway Im good with any outcome. even if my guy finally accepts his 
loss, its only two years that its an issue anyway, And we can tie everything up 
in courts that we want anyway for that long, using the lefts precedent 
(chickens coming home to roost)

 

Instead of ulcering out and damaging more synapse like my texan friend here, 
sit back and laugh because this shit is funny as hell, both sides equally. Like 
watching a bunch of fat women fight over an old jelly donut on a trampoline. 
Get the laughs while you can, because if my team gets their way, there will be 
gunfire in the streets and aside my my reeducation facility, that wont be funny 
at all

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

A couple months back, wasn't someone on this list speculating whether Covid-19 
could be spread via flatus and whether some people might need to wear a second 
mask?

And now we have Rudy Tooty.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

As always, follow the money, as of last week, over $200 million raised with a 
note in the donation page that the funds can be used for other purposes besides 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Steve Jones]

CNN is getting exposed in their top down directed bias with the
nothingburger call leaks right now. I like that.

I have yet to meet a leftist that wears masks when they dont think anyone
is looking.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm hoping for the civil war, mainly because I see it as
the purge, not in that theres a culling but in that anything goes. I just
hope it last long enough to get through a few reeducation sequences before
my ideas go back to just being criminal instead of war crimes. If I'm going
down, I want a tribunal, not some pesky court. I really think my research
will be useful down the road in helping people. Sometimes you have to break
a few eggs and do a couple face transplants to make an omelette

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 12:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> It just says this has been a bad year.  Nobody on the planet guessed
> exactly right.  Look at Sweden now.  Yes, liberals can be hypocrites but so
> can conservatives.  Schadenfreude happens when the other side gets caught
> in these situations, but the majority of the population are not on the
> edges.  I like all the liberals I know.  I just don’t agree with some of
> their positions.  On the contrary I know quite a few conservatives that I
> have little use for…
>
>
>
> The media outlets all seemingly have a slant and an ax to grind.  I watch
> none of them. I catch a bit of local news, otherwise I pick through what
> Google News curates for me and consume with a pre-conceived bias from those
> various sources.  Like Vanity Fair, WaPo, Huff will all have superlatives
> hating on us deplorables.  Fox and Blaze with be driving in the QAnon lane
> sometimes…
>
>
>
> You cannot trust any of them.  Nothing to laugh at for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles
>
>
>
> I laugh and laugh about libiots exposing themselves as the hateful bigots
> they really are whenever a right winger catches covid. I laugh even more
> when they recover quickly and move on like the vast majority of those
> infected with covid. Like right now, we have 6.1 million diagnosed cases
> active, which is over 30 million active cases per the god faucis numbers of
> 5x more undiagnosed for every diagnosed, and we all know god fauci is god,
> so that number is a fact, since gods dont lie and are never wrong.
>
>
>
> CDC vaccine guidance states that those who have recovered are exempt from
> vaccination due to immunity since there is such a short initial supply due
> to FDA delays in approvals,
>
>
>
> The CNN gods are really stressing that we are having 200,000 active cases
> diagnosed daily, and its got zero to do with the fact that we do the most
> testing on the planet, god sanjay gupta sad so, so that is a fact.
>
>
>
> Whats that say?
>
>
>
> since god CNN says 200k cases per day, and god fauci says its 5x that for
> 1 million cases a day, and god CDC says you are exempt from vaccination if
> recovered due to immunity. by christmas there will be 17 million either
> recovered or nearly recovered, on top of the 9 million recovered, whch per
> god fauci is 45 million for a total of 62 million immune by christmas, by
> the gods on words out of 332 million (18.6 percent of the population immune
> before the second dose of the fist vaccine is delivered)
>
>
>
> What it says is, democrats arent getting themselves tested because theyre
> too worried about the narrative theyre trying to uphold, even though many
> happen to go radio silent for two weeks all the time. Or they would
> probably stop exposing their bigoted hate.
>
>
>
>
>
> The above nonsense, where the left consistently spouts god facts then
> directly contradicts themselves so that cultists like jaime lash out, as
> designed (tds being similar to rabies, future PETs will be a fun collegiate
> study) is exactly why close to 70 million people have no interest in
> believing what said leftists have to say about an election where statistics
> dont support the outcomes even with the massive variables applied. To the
> point where a larger percentage of the nation than was active in the fight
> to clear up the england thing and bring the confederacy back into the fray
> are willing to accept the use of a constitutionally "legal" maneuver and
> deal with the guaranteed violence that will follow. This all
> happenning while we sit on a billion firearms and trillions of rounds of
> ammunition, majority in the possession of the referenced 70 million.
>
>
>
> All it would have taken to avoid this from the get go was actual, real
> transparency. There is no reason voter rolls shouldnt be cleaned every
> couple years. Theres no reason mail out ballots needed to be sent out
> haphazardly, there are enough states where nitwits keep pointing out do
> mail in voting (as said nitwits conflate mail in voting with mass mailout
> ballots) , 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, the detailed specifics. Is it just the stuff that has the pro flag
now or will some of the rest me pay for use

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be
> free for SM and AP?
>
> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are
> free features in standard now pay in X?
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are
> two pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to
> tier 2).  SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three
> year subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60
> ($20 per year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the
> PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for
> enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as
> Tier 3.
>
>
>
> Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium
> Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech
> support (8x5) is still free.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
>
> On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get
> to be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it
> arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not
> last that long but we still have to keep track of it.
>
>
>
> It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more
> detail John
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is
> what John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature
> when I login.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was
> reading the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was
> like damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud
>
>
>
> I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than
> config pushes (also not free)
>
>
>
> Does on prem let you do long term data?
>
>
>
> CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely
> free, there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement.
> Its along the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate
> free and paid versions.
>
>
>
> On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
>
> No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are
> both here to stay.
>
> You can download the feature list here.
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/
> 
>
> It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add.
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X
>
>
>
> So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL?
>
>
>
> I can’t find a list of pay vs free features for X.
>
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Steve D  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Near as I can tell, for us, it's going to be something we only use for
> pushing mass-config changes and firmware.  I might even pull back support
> access if we really do lose audit logs.
>
>
>
> I'll miss the reports it generated.  (At least, whenever our on-prem
> version is deemed at the point we *have* to upgrade it...)
>
>
>
> Since we always kind of knew it might happen (hoped not) we never put all
> our eggs into the basket, so to speak.  I think it'll still be a useful
> tool, just less so going forward.
>
>
>
> -Steve D

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Chuck McCown via AF]

It just says this has been a bad year.  Nobody on the planet guessed exactly 
right.  Look at Sweden now.  Yes, liberals can be hypocrites but so can 
conservatives.  Schadenfreude happens when the other side gets caught in these 
situations, but the majority of the population are not on the edges.  I like 
all the liberals I know.  I just don’t agree with some of their positions.  On 
the contrary I know quite a few conservatives that I have little use for…

 

The media outlets all seemingly have a slant and an ax to grind.  I watch none 
of them. I catch a bit of local news, otherwise I pick through what Google News 
curates for me and consume with a pre-conceived bias from those various 
sources.  Like Vanity Fair, WaPo, Huff will all have superlatives hating on us 
deplorables.  Fox and Blaze with be driving in the QAnon lane sometimes…  

 

You cannot trust any of them.  Nothing to laugh at for me.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

 

I laugh and laugh about libiots exposing themselves as the hateful bigots they 
really are whenever a right winger catches covid. I laugh even more when they 
recover quickly and move on like the vast majority of those infected with 
covid. Like right now, we have 6.1 million diagnosed cases active, which is 
over 30 million active cases per the god faucis numbers of 5x more undiagnosed 
for every diagnosed, and we all know god fauci is god, so that number is a 
fact, since gods dont lie and are never wrong.

 

CDC vaccine guidance states that those who have recovered are exempt from 
vaccination due to immunity since there is such a short initial supply due to 
FDA delays in approvals, 

 

The CNN gods are really stressing that we are having 200,000 active cases 
diagnosed daily, and its got zero to do with the fact that we do the most 
testing on the planet, god sanjay gupta sad so, so that is a fact.

 

Whats that say?

 

since god CNN says 200k cases per day, and god fauci says its 5x that for 1 
million cases a day, and god CDC says you are exempt from vaccination if 
recovered due to immunity. by christmas there will be 17 million either 
recovered or nearly recovered, on top of the 9 million recovered, whch per god 
fauci is 45 million for a total of 62 million immune by christmas, by the gods 
on words out of 332 million (18.6 percent of the population immune before the 
second dose of the fist vaccine is delivered)

 

What it says is, democrats arent getting themselves tested because theyre too 
worried about the narrative theyre trying to uphold, even though many happen to 
go radio silent for two weeks all the time. Or they would probably stop 
exposing their bigoted hate.

 

 

The above nonsense, where the left consistently spouts god facts then directly 
contradicts themselves so that cultists like jaime lash out, as designed (tds 
being similar to rabies, future PETs will be a fun collegiate study) is exactly 
why close to 70 million people have no interest in believing what said leftists 
have to say about an election where statistics dont support the outcomes even 
with the massive variables applied. To the point where a larger percentage of 
the nation than was active in the fight to clear up the england thing and bring 
the confederacy back into the fray are willing to accept the use of a 
constitutionally "legal" maneuver and deal with the guaranteed violence that 
will follow. This all happenning while we sit on a billion firearms and 
trillions of rounds of ammunition, majority in the possession of the referenced 
70 million.

 

All it would have taken to avoid this from the get go was actual, real 
transparency. There is no reason voter rolls shouldnt be cleaned every couple 
years. Theres no reason mail out ballots needed to be sent out haphazardly, 
there are enough states where nitwits keep pointing out do mail in voting (as 
said nitwits conflate mail in voting with mass mailout ballots) , Theres no 
reason that ballot counting shouldnt be open to public gallery viewing and 
under audio visual surveillance, There absolutely no reason voting machines 
shouldnt be forensically audited every single time theyre used.

 

actual transparency would have gone a long way. But, like I sad, we need a good 
culling anyway Im good with any outcome. even if my guy finally accepts his 
loss, its only two years that its an issue anyway, And we can tie everything up 
in courts that we want anyway for that long, using the lefts precedent 
(chickens coming home to roost)

 

Instead of ulcering out and damaging more synapse like my texan friend here, 
sit back and laugh because this shit is funny as hell, both sides equally. Like 
watching a bunch of fat women fight over an old jelly donut on a trampoline. 
Get the laughs while you can, because if my team gets their way, there 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Matt Hoppes]

But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to be free 
for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free 
features in standard now pay in X?

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are two 
> pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 
> 2).  SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year 
> subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per 
> year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 
> and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for enterprise 
> Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3. 
>  
> Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care 
> Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech support 
> (8x5) is still free.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>  
> If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
> 
> On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
> also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to 
> be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.
>  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
> If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it 
> arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not 
> last that long but we still have to keep track of it. 
>  
> It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it. 
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
> I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail 
> John
>  
> 
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
> I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is what 
> John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I 
> login.
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
> Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading 
> the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like 
> damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud
>  
> I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config 
> pushes (also not free)
>  
> Does on prem let you do long term data?
>  
> CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, 
> there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its 
> along the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free 
> and paid versions.
> 
>  
> 
> On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:
> No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL.  Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both 
> here to stay.
> You can download the feature list here.
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/
> It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add.
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X
>  
> So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL?
>  
> I can’t find a list of pay vs free features for X. 
>  
> 
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Steve D  wrote:
> 
> 
> Near as I can tell, for us, it's going to be something we only use for 
> pushing mass-config changes and firmware.  I might even pull back support 
> access if we really do lose audit logs.
>  
> I'll miss the reports it generated.  (At least, whenever our on-prem version 
> is deemed at the point we *have* to upgrade it...)
>  
> Since we always kind of knew it might happen (hoped not) we never put all our 
> eggs into the basket, so to speak.  I think it'll still be a useful tool, 
> just less so going forward.
>  
> -Steve D
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:30 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
> Now that Cambium has me for +2000 subs on cnmaestro, what am I going to lose 
> if I don't go to X?
>  
> What do we gain if we do migrate and how much a month/per sub?
> hank you for being a part of the cnMaestro beta program and your feedback on 
> the Pro features. Cambium Networks is proud to announce the release of 
> cnMaestro X this month, including the Pro features you are using today.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Starting January 4th, you will have the option to turn on cnMaestro X for a 
> 90-day trial. On April 5th, your account will downgrade to the free version 
> of 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Steve Jones]

I laugh and laugh about libiots exposing themselves as the hateful bigots
they really are whenever a right winger catches covid. I laugh even more
when they recover quickly and move on like the vast majority of those
infected with covid. Like right now, we have 6.1 million diagnosed cases
active, which is over 30 million active cases per the god faucis numbers of
5x more undiagnosed for every diagnosed, and we all know god fauci is god,
so that number is a fact, since gods dont lie and are never wrong.

CDC vaccine guidance states that those who have recovered are exempt from
vaccination due to immunity since there is such a short initial supply due
to FDA delays in approvals,

The CNN gods are really stressing that we are having 200,000 active cases
diagnosed daily, and its got zero to do with the fact that we do the most
testing on the planet, god sanjay gupta sad so, so that is a fact.

Whats that say?

since god CNN says 200k cases per day, and god fauci says its 5x that for 1
million cases a day, and god CDC says you are exempt from vaccination if
recovered due to immunity. by christmas there will be 17 million either
recovered or nearly recovered, on top of the 9 million recovered, whch per
god fauci is 45 million for a total of 62 million immune by christmas, by
the gods on words out of 332 million (18.6 percent of the population immune
before the second dose of the fist vaccine is delivered)

What it says is, democrats arent getting themselves tested because theyre
too worried about the narrative theyre trying to uphold, even though many
happen to go radio silent for two weeks all the time. Or they would
probably stop exposing their bigoted hate.


The above nonsense, where the left consistently spouts god facts then
directly contradicts themselves so that cultists like jaime lash out, as
designed (tds being similar to rabies, future PETs will be a fun collegiate
study) is exactly why close to 70 million people have no interest in
believing what said leftists have to say about an election where statistics
dont support the outcomes even with the massive variables applied. To the
point where a larger percentage of the nation than was active in the fight
to clear up the england thing and bring the confederacy back into the fray
are willing to accept the use of a constitutionally "legal" maneuver and
deal with the guaranteed violence that will follow. This all
happenning while we sit on a billion firearms and trillions of rounds of
ammunition, majority in the possession of the referenced 70 million.

All it would have taken to avoid this from the get go was actual, real
transparency. There is no reason voter rolls shouldnt be cleaned every
couple years. Theres no reason mail out ballots needed to be sent out
haphazardly, there are enough states where nitwits keep pointing out do
mail in voting (as said nitwits conflate mail in voting with mass mailout
ballots) , Theres no reason that ballot counting shouldnt be open to public
gallery viewing and under audio visual surveillance, There absolutely no
reason voting machines shouldnt be forensically audited every single time
theyre used.

actual transparency would have gone a long way. But, like I sad, we need a
good culling anyway Im good with any outcome. even if my guy finally
accepts his loss, its only two years that its an issue anyway, And we can
tie everything up in courts that we want anyway for that long, using the
lefts precedent (chickens coming home to roost)

Instead of ulcering out and damaging more synapse like my texan friend
here, sit back and laugh because this shit is funny as hell, both sides
equally. Like watching a bunch of fat women fight over an old jelly donut
on a trampoline. Get the laughs while you can, because if my team gets
their way, there will be gunfire in the streets and aside my my reeducation
facility, that wont be funny at all

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> A couple months back, wasn't someone on this list speculating whether
> Covid-19 could be spread via flatus and whether some people might need to
> wear a second mask?
>
> And now we have Rudy Tooty.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles
>
> As always, follow the money, as of last week, over $200 million raised
> with a note in the donation page that the funds can be used for other
> purposes besides contesting the election.
>
> On 12/8/20 7:03 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> > Adam,
> >
> > Why  bother,  the  big question.  Trump lost this election.  Were
> > there shenanigans,  maybe, it doesn't matter.  All this this jumping
> > up and down by Trump and his lawyers is a game.  They know Joe is
> > going to be next president, no court is going to over turn the voting
> process.
> >
> > This  is  personal  for  Trump.   For  four  years all he heard was he
> > cheated and was an 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Ken Hohhof]

A couple months back, wasn't someone on this list speculating whether Covid-19 
could be spread via flatus and whether some people might need to wear a second 
mask?

And now we have Rudy Tooty.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

As always, follow the money, as of last week, over $200 million raised with a 
note in the donation page that the funds can be used for other purposes besides 
contesting the election.

On 12/8/20 7:03 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Why  bother,  the  big question.  Trump lost this election.  Were 
> there shenanigans,  maybe, it doesn't matter.  All this this jumping 
> up and down by Trump and his lawyers is a game.  They know Joe is 
> going to be next president, no court is going to over turn the voting process.
>
> This  is  personal  for  Trump.   For  four  years all he heard was he
> cheated and was an illegitimate president.  You may belive that or you 
> may  not  believe  that,  but it doesn't matter.  He did his four 
> years and history will judge his presidency like it always does.
>
> Trump  and  his  pals  want  to  past  on  the gift of being called an 
> illegitimate  president  to  Biden.  So, they are working very hard to 
> make sure 50% of the country thinks Biden stole this election.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:21:48 AM, you wrote:
>
> AM> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.
>
> AM> Among the various points she makes:
>
> AM> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something 
> AM> could have happened.  Belief is not evidence.
>
> AM> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by 
> AM> the
> AM> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.
>
> AM> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a 
> AM> state in a federal court.
>
> AM> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state 
> AM> courts and already dismissed.
>
> AM> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was 
> AM> immediately apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after 
> AM> results were already certified.
>
> AM> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a 
> AM> non-lawyer it seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they 
> AM> bother?  Was it more about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client 
> wanted it so we did it"?
>
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Adam Moffett]

+1

I emailed mailop list about a similar issue and a Microsoft admin 
emailed me privately about it.  My listing in their system was caused by 
a hacked account that was resolved in a few hours, but they continued 
treating us as a spam source for several days after.  The MSFT guy 
eventually told me that there was an internal issue that prevented my 
auto delisting and they fixed it.



Also, as a mitigation step I sent outgoing through a different IP 
address for awhile.  I keep a /26 in my SPF record so I just picked 
another one from that block.  I don't know if you have that luxury.



On 12/8/2020 10:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

MailOps would be better suited than NANOG.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:57:31 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

I think the microsoft outage recently forced them to tickle their 
middle bits. They rate limited RackSpace even the other day. This is 
yet another of the billion reasons why Im glad we dont host our own email


The NANOG list will probably get you contacts for resolutions

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my
mailserver getting blocked for Spam.  I can't find any reason why,
but
Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me.  I'm not on any
Blacklists
that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist
checks,
and it's not on barracuda's list.  My Mailserver traffic is
normal, so I
don't' think I have any compromised accounts.

I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist.  The
Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page
and a
helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your
network
administrator for assistance'.

Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the
server
clean.

I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I
don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be
fixed,
and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing
that I can find to fix.  But it's always MY fault that someone
else is
not accepting their email.  It's never up to the person with the
Hotmail
or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't
receive
mail from this person.

Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS
check
that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now?

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Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Ken Hohhof]

Microsoft and Comcast are a strange combination without some common thread.  
I’m assuming it’s your mailserver IP and not the customer’s domain being 
blocked, also that it’s outlook.com or Hotmail.com blocking you, not 
Microsoft’s paid filtering service I forget what it’s called.

 

One thing we’ve tried to enforce for a long time is not to allow customers to 
autofoward their mail.  You may get blamed for forwarded spam, plus forwarding 
may bypass your spam filters.  This is hard to enforce if your mailserver 
offers self-service autoforwarding.  I remember we had a realty agency where 
almost every agent had their email forwarded to their personal email address at 
Gmail, Yahoo, etc.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

 

Microsoft has SNDS.

Microsoft and Google are the two hardest I've found to get removal from.



-
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
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From: "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:50:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my 
mailserver getting blocked for Spam.  I can't find any reason why, but 
Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me.  I'm not on any Blacklists 
that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist checks, 
and it's not on barracuda's list.  My Mailserver traffic is normal, so I 
don't' think I have any compromised accounts.

I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist.  The 
Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page and a 
helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your network 
administrator for assistance'.

Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the server 
clean.

I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I 
don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be fixed, 
and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing 
that I can find to fix.  But it's always MY fault that someone else is 
not accepting their email.  It's never up to the person with the Hotmail 
or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't receive 
mail from this person.

Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS check 
that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Robert]

As always, follow the money, as of last week, over $200 million raised 
with a note in the donation page that the funds can be used for other 
purposes besides contesting the election.


On 12/8/20 7:03 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Adam,

Why  bother,  the  big question.  Trump lost this election.  Were there
shenanigans,  maybe, it doesn't matter.  All this this jumping up and
down by Trump and his lawyers is a game.  They know Joe is going to be
next president, no court is going to over turn the voting process.

This  is  personal  for  Trump.   For  four  years all he heard was he
cheated and was an illegitimate president.  You may belive that or you
may  not  believe  that,  but it doesn't matter.  He did his four
years and history will judge his presidency like it always does.

Trump  and  his  pals  want  to  past  on  the gift of being called an
illegitimate  president  to  Biden.  So, they are working very hard to
make sure 50% of the country thinks Biden stole this election.



--
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  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:21:48 AM, you wrote:

AM> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

AM> Among the various points she makes:

AM> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could
AM> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.

AM> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
AM> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.

AM> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
AM> in a federal court.

AM> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
AM> already dismissed.

AM> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
AM> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already
AM> certified.

AM> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it
AM> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
AM> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?







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Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Steve Jones]

geek

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:51 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> MailOps would be better suited than NANOG.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:57:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles
>
> I think the microsoft outage recently forced them to tickle their middle
> bits. They rate limited RackSpace even the other day. This is yet another
> of the billion reasons why Im glad we dont host our own email
>
> The NANOG list will probably get you contacts for resolutions
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my
>> mailserver getting blocked for Spam.  I can't find any reason why, but
>> Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me.  I'm not on any Blacklists
>> that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist checks,
>> and it's not on barracuda's list.  My Mailserver traffic is normal, so I
>> don't' think I have any compromised accounts.
>>
>> I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist.  The
>> Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page and a
>> helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your network
>> administrator for assistance'.
>>
>> Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the server
>> clean.
>>
>> I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I
>> don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be fixed,
>> and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing
>> that I can find to fix.  But it's always MY fault that someone else is
>> not accepting their email.  It's never up to the person with the Hotmail
>> or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't receive
>> mail from this person.
>>
>> Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS check
>> that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Bill Prince]

Way less than 50%.

Roughly 6 million less than 1/3 voted for 45.

Roughly 6 million more than 1/3 voted for Biden.

Roughly 1/3 didn't vote at all, so they just said "Meh."


bp


On 12/8/2020 7:03 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Adam,

Why  bother,  the  big question.  Trump lost this election.  Were there
shenanigans,  maybe, it doesn't matter.  All this this jumping up and
down by Trump and his lawyers is a game.  They know Joe is going to be
next president, no court is going to over turn the voting process.

This  is  personal  for  Trump.   For  four  years all he heard was he
cheated and was an illegitimate president.  You may belive that or you
may  not  believe  that,  but it doesn't matter.  He did his four
years and history will judge his presidency like it always does.

Trump  and  his  pals  want  to  past  on  the gift of being called an
illegitimate  president  to  Biden.  So, they are working very hard to
make sure 50% of the country thinks Biden stole this election.



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  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

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Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:21:48 AM, you wrote:

AM> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

AM> Among the various points she makes:

AM> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could
AM> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.

AM> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
AM> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.

AM> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
AM> in a federal court.

AM> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
AM> already dismissed.

AM> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
AM> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already
AM> certified.

AM> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it
AM> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
AM> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Steve Jones]

i love it when the left suffers their own consequences, makes me giggle.

the chickens are coming home to roost, and its only just begun. Its sexy
because there is so much video now that everytime a leftist complains about
the sour grapes or utter stupidity, its simple to retort with video footage
of them doing the exact same thing, only with the left, they normally added
violence and destruction with it. And not to mention, trump gets to take
credit for every good thing that biden does, just like obama did with
trump. and the cake is, joe dumped bernie like a fat bar chic when the sun
rise right after he used him. laughing at bernie and the bernie bros gets
almost sad watching them get turned out over and over

and if team trump pulls off this constitutionally correct nonsense, we get
to shoot each other without the pesky criminal justice system getting in
the way of a necessary culling, so thats a win for everybody

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:04 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Adam,
>
> Why  bother,  the  big question.  Trump lost this election.  Were there
> shenanigans,  maybe, it doesn't matter.  All this this jumping up and
> down by Trump and his lawyers is a game.  They know Joe is going to be
> next president, no court is going to over turn the voting process.
>
> This  is  personal  for  Trump.   For  four  years all he heard was he
> cheated and was an illegitimate president.  You may belive that or you
> may  not  believe  that,  but it doesn't matter.  He did his four
> years and history will judge his presidency like it always does.
>
> Trump  and  his  pals  want  to  past  on  the gift of being called an
> illegitimate  president  to  Biden.  So, they are working very hard to
> make sure 50% of the country thinks Biden stole this election.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
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> Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:21:48 AM, you wrote:
>
> AM> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.
>
> AM> Among the various points she makes:
>
> AM> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something
> could
> AM> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.
>
> AM> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
> AM> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.
>
> AM> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
> AM> in a federal court.
>
> AM> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
> AM> already dismissed.
>
> AM> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
> AM> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were
> already
> AM> certified.
>
> AM> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer
> it
> AM> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
> AM> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did
> it"?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Mike Hammett]

MailOps would be better suited than NANOG. 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:57:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles 


I think the microsoft outage recently forced them to tickle their middle bits. 
They rate limited RackSpace even the other day. This is yet another of the 
billion reasons why Im glad we dont host our own email 


The NANOG list will probably get you contacts for resolutions 


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my 
mailserver getting blocked for Spam. I can't find any reason why, but 
Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me. I'm not on any Blacklists 
that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist checks, 
and it's not on barracuda's list. My Mailserver traffic is normal, so I 
don't' think I have any compromised accounts. 

I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist. The 
Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page and a 
helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your network 
administrator for assistance'. 

Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the server 
clean. 

I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I 
don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be fixed, 
and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing 
that I can find to fix. But it's always MY fault that someone else is 
not accepting their email. It's never up to the person with the Hotmail 
or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't receive 
mail from this person. 

Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS check 
that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now? 

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Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Mike Hammett]

Microsoft has SNDS. 

Microsoft and Google are the two hardest I've found to get removal from. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:50:16 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles 

I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my 
mailserver getting blocked for Spam. I can't find any reason why, but 
Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me. I'm not on any Blacklists 
that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist checks, 
and it's not on barracuda's list. My Mailserver traffic is normal, so I 
don't' think I have any compromised accounts. 

I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist. The 
Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page and a 
helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your network 
administrator for assistance'. 

Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the server 
clean. 

I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I 
don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be fixed, 
and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing 
that I can find to fix. But it's always MY fault that someone else is 
not accepting their email. It's never up to the person with the Hotmail 
or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't receive 
mail from this person. 

Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS check 
that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Bill Prince]

The whole point from 45's point of view is to make money for his next 
venture (whatever that is). He solicited donations to the tune of over 
$210 million (last I heard), of which he's spent around $10 million 
actually bringing his baseless complaints before courts (and only in the 
swing states). It's a money grab, and baiting the base. That's all it is.


I am curious what stunt he is going to pull on January 20.


bp


On 12/8/2020 5:21 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

Among the various points she makes:

* The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something 
could have happened.  Belief is not evidence.


* A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the 
plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.


* Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a 
state in a federal court.


* Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts 
and already dismissed.


* The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately 
apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were 
already certified.


Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer 
it seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it 
more about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we 
did it"?






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Adam,

Why  bother,  the  big question.  Trump lost this election.  Were there
shenanigans,  maybe, it doesn't matter.  All this this jumping up and
down by Trump and his lawyers is a game.  They know Joe is going to be
next president, no court is going to over turn the voting process.

This  is  personal  for  Trump.   For  four  years all he heard was he
cheated and was an illegitimate president.  You may belive that or you
may  not  believe  that,  but it doesn't matter.  He did his four
years and history will judge his presidency like it always does.

Trump  and  his  pals  want  to  past  on  the gift of being called an
illegitimate  president  to  Biden.  So, they are working very hard to
make sure 50% of the country thinks Biden stole this election.



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Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:21:48 AM, you wrote:

AM> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

AM> Among the various points she makes:

AM> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could
AM> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.

AM> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the 
AM> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.

AM> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
AM> in a federal court.

AM> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
AM> already dismissed.

AM> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
AM> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already
AM> certified.

AM> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it
AM> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
AM> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?




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Re: [AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Steve Jones]

I think the microsoft outage recently forced them to tickle their middle
bits. They rate limited RackSpace even the other day. This is yet another
of the billion reasons why Im glad we dont host our own email

The NANOG list will probably get you contacts for resolutions

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my
> mailserver getting blocked for Spam.  I can't find any reason why, but
> Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me.  I'm not on any Blacklists
> that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist checks,
> and it's not on barracuda's list.  My Mailserver traffic is normal, so I
> don't' think I have any compromised accounts.
>
> I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist.  The
> Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page and a
> helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your network
> administrator for assistance'.
>
> Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the server
> clean.
>
> I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I
> don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be fixed,
> and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing
> that I can find to fix.  But it's always MY fault that someone else is
> not accepting their email.  It's never up to the person with the Hotmail
> or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't receive
> mail from this person.
>
> Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS check
> that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

[Ken Hohhof]

Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and 
die.

- Mel Brooks

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

 

that type of person usually is very much hippocrytical, always willing to 
sacrifice as much of their neighbors' resources as is needed. You also have to 
take into account that many of the aged out without a new crop of malleable 
youth minds to be taken advantage of. 

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:22 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I forgot about that point:  The anti-war protests diminished when the draft 
ended.  The war continued a few more years after drafting was over.  That tells 
me a lot of the anti-war hippies weren't anti-war as long as someone else was 
going.

On 12/7/2020 10:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I was born in 1950.  My dad came home from WWII, went to college on the GI 
Bill, got married and had 2 kids.  I am the canonical baby boomer.

 

When I was in college around 1970, I didn’t know any hippies, but I can tell 
you the Vietnam War was not very popular with those of us in the draft pool.  
And while I don’t remember going to any antiwar protests, the Kent State 
shootings made an impression.

 

It is funny my kids assume there was no sex, drugs or rock and roll back then.  
Have they never watched an Austin Powers movie?  Or Cheech and Chong?

 

I did know one kid in college, his dad owned an engineering company and 
promised to sign it over to the kid the day he graduated with an engineering 
degree.  It took him 5 years, but he got the degree, and the dad kept his word. 
 The kid immediately sold the company and went to Canada to avoid the draft.  
The other thing I remember was he drove a Shelby AC Cobra.  Not a Shelby 
Mustang, an actual AC Cobra.

 

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 9:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

 

Yeah those damn lazy millennial kids are all about to hit 40.

IMO, the boomer generation being anti-war hippies was simply a matter of optics 
because those are the people who were making the news.  Overall it's a 
conservative age group.  A slight majority of boomers voted for Richard Nixon.

 

On 12/7/2020 9:17 PM, Daniel White wrote:

And Baby Boomers resent that their parents were the "Greatest Generation" and 
put on the uniform and served instead of tearing up their draft ticket, smoking 
a lot of weed, and moving to Canada.  Hippies, acid, and Hitler's people car 
bug should get thrown in there too.

Okay now I am having too much fun :-P

Every "generation" feels the one before it shafted them and the older 
generation always feels like they are better than the one they gave birth to.

But apparently you don't have to be a baby boomer anymore to have a kid say 
"okay boomer" to you.  One of my sons said that to me this weekend... and while 
I don't feel like I identify with millennials I technically am one.  So take 
that baby boomers :-D

 


  

 


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Co-Founder


phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766



Ken Hohhof  

December 7, 2020 at 09:58

Millennials seem to believe all their problems are because their generation got 
screwed over by the baby boomers.  Not sure where this comes from, but it seems 
to be accepted fact among Bernie supporters.  Like I have student debt and a 
crummy job and no love life because of the damn baby boomers.

 

Good luck telling them they’re lazy, you’ll get about the same reaction as 
telling someone from the MAGAverse to wear a mask. Or yeah yeah yeah, old man, 
I know, get off your lawn, and you used to walk 5 miles to school uphill both 
ways.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

 

Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy? 

I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with transportation...most 
of video pulls I do are for these guys' shenanigans...

$35-45.00 an hour plus insurance...

WTF...

I earn my pay every fucking day...

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:10 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Jaime Solorza  

December 7, 2020 at 09:36

Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy?  

I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with transportation...most 
of video pulls I do are for these guys' shenanigans...

$35-45.00 an hour plus insurance...

WTF...

I earn my pay every fucking day...





Lewis Bergman  

December 7, 2020 at 09:10

We don't allow people to come in when they want. 

[AFMUG] SMTP Spam troubles

[Nate Burke]

I've started having a lot of problems over the last week with my 
mailserver getting blocked for Spam.  I can't find any reason why, but 
Microsoft/Senderbase/Comcast are blocking me.  I'm not on any Blacklists 
that I can find, MXToolbox shows it clean on all their blacklist checks, 
and it's not on barracuda's list.  My Mailserver traffic is normal, so I 
don't' think I have any compromised accounts.


I can't find anywhere to check/remove the Microsoft blacklist.  The 
Returned SMTP Messages just has a Link to their general FAQ page and a 
helpful note that says 'We are blocking your email, Contact your network 
administrator for assistance'.


Going directly to Senderbase and looking up My server shows the server 
clean.


I've already told one customer to move their domain off of me, so I 
don't have to answer their hourly calls wondering when it will be fixed, 
and I'm getting ready to tell another to leave, since there's nothing 
that I can find to fix.  But it's always MY fault that someone else is 
not accepting their email.  It's never up to the person with the Hotmail 
or Comcast account complaining to their company that they can't receive 
mail from this person.


Did something recently change with some SMTP Protocol or vague DNS check 
that I missed updating that the big companies are blacklisting me now?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Steve Jones]

goalpost hasnt moved, their stated plan from the beginning was to get it to
the constitutionally defined resolution of a house vote. shady as fuck but
is what it is. Even the "gods" at CNN say its a "winning" strategy if they
pull it off. For moved goalposts its odd that CNN would have been reporting
on it a couple days after election. I havent laughed this much in a long
time.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:34 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> This strategy has never been about winning in court, rather, the idea is
> to keep churning the water to provide cover to allies who can claim
> "uncertainty surrounding the election results" and fodder for the faithful
> who actually believe in some sort of grand fraudulent scheme.  It has gone
> beyond moving the goalposts.  Not worth discussing it unless someone is
> willing to make a single argument, in writing, alleging something that
> would have a material effect on the results and then defend that point
> exclusively till the point is conceded one way or another.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> dont ever get a PET scan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:33 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Its too funny how many times they have failed...much like his presidency.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:22 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

 Among the various points she makes:

 * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something
 could
 have happened.  Belief is not evidence.

 * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
 plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.

 * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
 in a federal court.

 * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
 already dismissed.

 * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
 apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were
 already
 certified.

 Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer
 it
 seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
 about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Ken Hohhof]

A PET scan is like a CAT scan but it also detects DOGS and GOLDFISH?

 

Actually, a relative’s experience was a PET scan is what the insurance won’t 
pay for and you shouldn’t either if you don’t want to know that the doctors 
have been feeding you B.S. when they say “we got it all” because you may get 
the scan back and you lit up like a Christmas tree and you’re screwed but now 
you can’t unsee it.

 

It’s like when I had a CAT scan after a brain aneurysm and then an MRI, I 
learned you should just bypass the CAT scan and get the MRI, the difference in 
image resolution is huge.  But we all get what the insurance will pay for, they 
don’t even ask us, they just check the insurance.  In fact, if the insurance 
will pay for it, you’ll probably get it whether you need it or not.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

 

dont ever get a PET scan

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:33 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Its too funny how many times they have failed...much like his presidency.

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:22 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

Among the various points she makes:

* The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could 
have happened.  Belief is not evidence.

* A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the 
plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.

* Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state 
in a federal court.

* Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and 
already dismissed.

* The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately 
apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already 
certified.

Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it 
seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more 
about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Carl Peterson]

This strategy has never been about winning in court, rather, the idea is to
keep churning the water to provide cover to allies who can claim
"uncertainty surrounding the election results" and fodder for the faithful
who actually believe in some sort of grand fraudulent scheme.  It has gone
beyond moving the goalposts.  Not worth discussing it unless someone is
willing to make a single argument, in writing, alleging something that
would have a material effect on the results and then defend that point
exclusively till the point is conceded one way or another.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> dont ever get a PET scan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:33 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Its too funny how many times they have failed...much like his presidency.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:22 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.
>>>
>>> Among the various points she makes:
>>>
>>> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could
>>> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.
>>>
>>> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
>>> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.
>>>
>>> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
>>> in a federal court.
>>>
>>> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
>>> already dismissed.
>>>
>>> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
>>> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already
>>> certified.
>>>
>>> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it
>>> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
>>> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

[Steve Jones]

that type of person usually is very much hippocrytical, always willing to
sacrifice as much of their neighbors' resources as is needed. You also have
to take into account that many of the aged out without a new crop of
malleable youth minds to be taken advantage of.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:22 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I forgot about that point:  The anti-war protests diminished when the
> draft ended.  The war continued a few more years after drafting was over.
> That tells me a lot of the anti-war hippies weren't anti-war as long as
> someone else was going.
> On 12/7/2020 10:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I was born in 1950.  My dad came home from WWII, went to college on the GI
> Bill, got married and had 2 kids.  I am the canonical baby boomer.
>
>
>
> When I was in college around 1970, I didn’t know any hippies, but I can
> tell you the Vietnam War was not very popular with those of us in the draft
> pool.  And while I don’t remember going to any antiwar protests, the Kent
> State shootings made an impression.
>
>
>
> It is funny my kids assume there was no sex, drugs or rock and roll back
> then.  Have they never watched an Austin Powers movie?  Or Cheech and Chong?
>
>
>
> I did know one kid in college, his dad owned an engineering company and
> promised to sign it over to the kid the day he graduated with an
> engineering degree.  It took him 5 years, but he got the degree, and the
> dad kept his word.  The kid immediately sold the company and went to Canada
> to avoid the draft.  The other thing I remember was he drove a Shelby AC
> Cobra.  Not a Shelby Mustang, an actual AC Cobra.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 9:02 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question
>
>
>
> Yeah those damn lazy millennial kids are all about to hit 40.
>
> IMO, the boomer generation being anti-war hippies was simply a matter of
> optics because those are the people who were making the news.  Overall it's
> a conservative age group.  A slight majority of boomers voted for Richard
> Nixon.
>
>
>
> On 12/7/2020 9:17 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> And Baby Boomers resent that their parents were the "Greatest Generation"
> and put on the uniform and served instead of tearing up their draft ticket,
> smoking a lot of weed, and moving to Canada.  Hippies, acid, and Hitler's
> people car bug should get thrown in there too.
>
> Okay now I am having too much fun :-P
>
> Every "generation" feels the one before it shafted them and the older
> generation always feels like they are better than the one they gave birth
> to.
>
> But apparently you don't have to be a baby boomer anymore to have a kid
> say "okay boomer" to you.  One of my sons said that to me this weekend...
> and while I don't feel like I identify with millennials I technically am
> one.  So take that baby boomers :-D
>
>
>
> [image: photograph]
>
>
> *Daniel White *Co-Founder
>
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2770
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Ken Hohhof 
>
> December 7, 2020 at 09:58
>
> Millennials seem to believe all their problems are because their
> generation got screwed over by the baby boomers.  Not sure where this comes
> from, but it seems to be accepted fact among Bernie supporters.  Like I
> have student debt and a crummy job and no love life because of the damn
> baby boomers.
>
>
>
> Good luck telling them they’re lazy, you’ll get about the same reaction as
> telling someone from the MAGAverse to wear a mask. Or yeah yeah yeah, old
> man, I know, get off your lawn, and you used to walk 5 miles to school
> uphill both ways.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question
>
>
>
> Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy?
>
> I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with
> transportation...most of video pulls I do are for these guys' shenanigans...
>
> $35-45.00 an hour plus insurance...
>
> WTF...
>
> I earn my pay every fucking day...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:10 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza 
>
> December 7, 2020 at 09:36
>
> Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy?
>
> I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with
> transportation...most of video pulls I do are for these guys' shenanigans...
>
> $35-45.00 an hour plus insurance...
>
> WTF...
>
> I earn my pay every fucking day...
>
>
>
>
> Lewis Bergman 
>
> December 7, 2020 at 09:10
>
> We don't allow people to come in when they want. If they are sick they are
> out for the whole day. We feel it protects the workers that show up on time.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lewis Bergman
>
> 325-439-0533 Cell
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
>
> December 7, 2020 at 08:58
>
> If you have guys call in not feeling well, but they think they might be
> able to make it by noon, do you let them come in?
>
> Like why reward laziness/hangovers.  But if they are really 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Steve Jones]

dont ever get a PET scan



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:33 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Its too funny how many times they have failed...much like his presidency.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:22 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.
>>
>> Among the various points she makes:
>>
>> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could
>> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.
>>
>> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
>> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.
>>
>> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
>> in a federal court.
>>
>> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
>> already dismissed.
>>
>> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
>> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already
>> certified.
>>
>> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it
>> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
>> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Jaime Solorza]

Its too funny how many times they have failed...much like his presidency.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 6:22 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.
>
> Among the various points she makes:
>
> * The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could
> have happened.  Belief is not evidence.
>
> * A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the
> plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.
>
> * Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state
> in a federal court.
>
> * Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and
> already dismissed.
>
> * The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately
> apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already
> certified.
>
> Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it
> seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more
> about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

[Adam Moffett]

I forgot about that point:  The anti-war protests diminished when the 
draft ended.  The war continued a few more years after drafting was 
over.  That tells me a lot of the anti-war hippies weren't anti-war as 
long as someone else was going.


On 12/7/2020 10:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I was born in 1950.  My dad came home from WWII, went to college on 
the GI Bill, got married and had 2 kids.  I am the canonical baby boomer.


When I was in college around 1970, I didn’t know any hippies, but I 
can tell you the Vietnam War was not very popular with those of us in 
the draft pool.  And while I don’t remember going to any antiwar 
protests, the Kent State shootings made an impression.


It is funny my kids assume there was no sex, drugs or rock and roll 
back then.  Have they never watched an Austin Powers movie?  Or Cheech 
and Chong?


I did know one kid in college, his dad owned an engineering company 
and promised to sign it over to the kid the day he graduated with an 
engineering degree.  It took him 5 years, but he got the degree, and 
the dad kept his word.  The kid immediately sold the company and went 
to Canada to avoid the draft.  The other thing I remember was he drove 
a Shelby AC Cobra.  Not a Shelby Mustang, an actual AC Cobra.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 9:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

Yeah those damn lazy millennial kids are all about to hit 40.

IMO, the boomer generation being anti-war hippies was simply a matter 
of optics because those are the people who were making the news.  
Overall it's a conservative age group.  A slight majority of boomers 
voted for Richard Nixon.


On 12/7/2020 9:17 PM, Daniel White wrote:

And Baby Boomers resent that their parents were the "Greatest
Generation" and put on the uniform and served instead of tearing
up their draft ticket, smoking a lot of weed, and moving to
Canada.  Hippies, acid, and Hitler's people car bug should get
thrown in there too.

Okay now I am having too much fun :-P

Every "generation" feels the one before it shafted them and the
older generation always feels like they are better than the one
they gave birth to.

But apparently you don't have to be a baby boomer anymore to have
a kid say "okay boomer" to you.  One of my sons said that to me
this weekend... and while I don't feel like I identify with
millennials I technically am one.  So take that baby boomers :-D

photograph



*Daniel White
*Co-Founder

*phone:* +1 (702) 470-2770
*direct:* +1 (702) 470-2766


Ken Hohhof 

December 7, 2020 at 09:58

Millennials seem to believe all their problems are because
their generation got screwed over by the baby boomers. Not
sure where this comes from, but it seems to be accepted fact
among Bernie supporters.  Like I have student debt and a
crummy job and no love life because of the damn baby boomers.

Good luck telling them they’re lazy, you’ll get about the same
reaction as telling someone from the MAGAverse to wear a mask.
Or yeah yeah yeah, old man, I know, get off your lawn, and you
used to walk 5 miles to school uphill both ways.

*From:*AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 10:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy?

I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with
transportation...most of video pulls I do are for these guys'
shenanigans...

$35-45.00 an hour plus insurance...

WTF...

I earn my pay every fucking day...

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:10 AM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Jaime Solorza 

December 7, 2020 at 09:36

Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy?

I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with
transportation...most of video pulls I do are for these guys'
shenanigans...

$35-45.00 an hour plus insurance...

WTF...

I earn my pay every fucking day...




Lewis Bergman 

December 7, 2020 at 09:10

We don't allow people to come in when they want. If they are
sick they are out for the whole day. We feel it protects the
workers that show up on time.



-- 


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325-439-0533 Cell



Chuck McCown via AF 

December 7, 2020 at 08:58

If you have guys call in not feeling well, but they think they
might be able to make it by noon, do you let them come in?

[AFMUG] OT: The Kraken has missing tentacles

[Adam Moffett]

I just read the federal judge's order on the Michigan "Kraken" lawsuit.

Among the various points she makes:

* The evidence offered is sworn testimony of belief that something could 
have happened.  Belief is not evidence.


* A US Court has no authority to provide the relief requested by the 
plaintiff: A court can't order a state to change it's election results.


* Under the 11th amendment of the US Constitution you can't sue a state 
in a federal court.


* Most of the same claims have already been brought to state courts and 
already dismissed.


* The point is moot because you say election tampering was immediately 
apparent, but waited 3 weeks to file a suit --after results were already 
certified.


Any one of those reasons was enough to dismiss.  Even to a non-lawyer it 
seems like this never had a chance.  Why did they bother?  Was it more 
about putting on the show?  Was it, "the client wanted it so we did it"?




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