Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying toread this record ...

[bsei2816]

I see the year as 1766

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:50:59 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
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> Hi Lisa,
>
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>
> The marriage date for Joao Carvalho and Maria Rosa is April 14 1763. 
>
>  
>
> I have these families both lines are my ancestors.  PM me if you’re 
> looking for more information.
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>
> Margaret
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> *From: *JR 
> *Sent: *May 5, 2019 8:51 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying 
> toread this record ...
>
>  
>
> It all looks good to me. The name is Simao Machado. The variations on 
> Filipa (the modern version) are not that important. They are same name, 
> Phelipa, Felipa, with or without two p's or two l's. Loiro in other records 
> may turn out to be Louro. The bride, Felipa was disobligated in Sao Pedro, 
> so likely was also baptised there.
>
>  
>
> JR
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> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:
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> The first one is this:
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778_item1/P129.html
> Marriage - 12 April 1863
>
> João Carvalho de Sousa
>
> son of Jozeph Carvalho and Maria Martins
>
> Maria Rosa
>
> daughter of Francisco de Sousa and Philippa??? Pereira
>
>  
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> All baptized in this same frequesia São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel
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>  
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> Gonçalo Correia and Manoel da Costa = witnesses ???
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> ===
>
>  
>
> Next I checked the indexes to try to help me guess the name of the parents 
> of Maria Rosa.  Here is the link to that page.  I think that it's Francisco 
> de Sousa Loiro and Philipa Pereira.  Does this appear right?
>
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>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860_item1/P26.html
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> =
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> Then there's the 3rd record which is also so hard to read:
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747_item1/P65.html
>
>  
>
> Groom: Francisco de Sousa Loiro Son of Manoel Rodrigues Loiro and his wife 
> Maria dos Santos Naturals of Estrella (Nossa Senhora da Estrela) in the 
> village of Ribeira Grande Bride: Fellippa Pereira Daughter of Simao or 
> Manoel (sp? hard to read) Machado and Maria Pereira DIGO Isabel Pereira (I 
> think that DIGO means that the priest made a mistake by writing Maria 
> Pereira, and is correcting himself by then writing the proper name which is 
> Isabel Pereira.) Naturals of this same freguesia Apóstolo de São Pedro, 
> Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal Of note is that the groom signs 
> his name Francisco de Sousa, without Loiro at the end. Margin Note: 10 
> March 1812
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> 
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> Does anyone else get anything different please?
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> Thank you for any help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[bsei2816]

Yes I did it exactly as Cheri said.  Through this list she and others have 
taught many, including me.  Six years ago it all looked like scribble to me 
and I had to completely rely on list members.  This is an outstanding site.

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to find 
> once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not 
> state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill most 
> likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over to the 
> Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, looking 
> for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking for a 
> Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at what 
> people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.
>
> In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10 
> hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we 
> get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the 
> end. We think that's a good thing :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill!
>>
>> You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for 
>> you to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for 
>> example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the 
>> whole island?  
>>
>> It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me months 
>> to do.  
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM > wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably 
>>> 28 Aug 1898
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Annie,

 I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 
 1989 in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html

 Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
 Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel 
 de Benevides and Maria Cabral
 Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and 
 Maria de Jesus
 Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella

 Bill Seidler


 On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven 
> people 
> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing 
> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for 
> the 
> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello:
>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her 
>> parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides 
>> Cabral.
>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to 
>> Fall River, MA.  
>> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>>
>> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>>
>> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , 
>> that might have more information than what I can currently get on 
>> Ancestry. 
>> com?
>>
>> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Annie
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[bsei2816]

I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably 28 
Aug 1898

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hello Annie,
>
> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989 
> in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>
> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de 
> Benevides and Maria Cabral
> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria 
> de Jesus
> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
>> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
>> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people 
>> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing 
>> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the 
>> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents 
>>> were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
>>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall 
>>> River, MA.  
>>> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>>>
>>> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>>>
>>> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that 
>>> might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
>>>
>>> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Annie
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[bsei2816]

Hello Annie,

I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989 in 
Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html

Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de 
Benevides and Maria Cabral
Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria de 
Jesus
Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella

Bill Seidler


On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people 
> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing 
> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the 
> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello:
>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents 
>> were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall 
>> River, MA.  
>> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>>
>> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>>
>> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that 
>> might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
>>
>> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Annie
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[bsei2816]

Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people 
in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing 
Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the 
first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello:
> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents 
> were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall 
> River, MA.  
> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>
> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>
> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that 
> might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
>
> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>
> Thank you.
> Annie
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] 1682 Marriage Porto Judeu Terceira Francisco Martins to Marta Ferreira

[bsei2816]

I feel like I had to guess at a lot of this so just hoping for confirmation 
or correction.  It starts a quarter way down on the right side.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726_item1/P14.html

12 Oct 1682, Igreja Santo Antonio, Porto Judeu

Groom: Francisco Martins, son of gp.r [Gaspar] Homem and his wife M.a Glz 
[Maria Gonçalves], she is deceased

Bride: Martha Ferreira daughter of Tomé Ferreira and his wife Isabel Frz 
[Fernandes]

All are parishioners of this parish.

Thank you for any help.

Bill Seidler


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pedro Miguel, Faial. (da Terra, Andre y Faria)

[bsei2816]

I see:  Gp.ar da Terra ...bel da Sylva, sua mulher.  I would say Gaspar da 
Terra and Isabel da Silva, his wife.

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 4:13:15 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1641-1712/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1641-1712_item1/P9.html
>
>  
>
> Top Right.  Can anyone read the groom’s parents names please?
>
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> Thank you,
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antão and Maria, twins of Antonio Machado Neto, Porto Judeu, Terceira 1714

[bsei2816]

Thanks JR; and you are right about this being homem and not Homem.  I ran 
acrros one of his kid's baptism and he is simply Jacinto Borges.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 10:28:21 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> I agree, onze it is.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 1:19:36 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I finally found this couple's child that is my 5th GGmother.  Was she 
>> born on the first birthday of her older sibling twins or do all dates now 
>> look like 11 January to me?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P29.html
>>   
>> (bottom left)
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 9:54:43 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I found these twins born to my 6th Great Grandparents and hoping someone 
>>> can help me understand.
>>>
>>> What I see is Antão and Maria, filhos of Alferes Antonio Machado Neto 
>>> and his wife Maria Clara, born on 11 January 1714.
>>>
>>> Antão was baptized at home on 11 Jan because he was in peril.
>>>
>>> Maria was baptized on 16 Jan and her godfather is Captain Jacinto Borges 
>>> Homem, married.  I don't see anything further like any madrinhas or a 
>>> padrinho for Antão;  did he die?
>>>
>>> I look forward to any comments or corrections,  It is the top right 
>>> record.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P22.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antão and Maria, twins of Antonio Machado Neto, Porto Judeu, Terceira 1714

[bsei2816]

I finally found this couple's child that is my 5th GGmother.  Was she born 
on the first birthday of her older sibling twins or do all dates now look 
like 11 January to me?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P29.html
  
(bottom left)

Bill Seidler



On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 9:54:43 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I found these twins born to my 6th Great Grandparents and hoping someone 
> can help me understand.
>
> What I see is Antão and Maria, filhos of Alferes Antonio Machado Neto and 
> his wife Maria Clara, born on 11 January 1714.
>
> Antão was baptized at home on 11 Jan because he was in peril.
>
> Maria was baptized on 16 Jan and her godfather is Captain Jacinto Borges 
> Homem, married.  I don't see anything further like any madrinhas or a 
> padrinho for Antão;  did he die?
>
> I look forward to any comments or corrections,  It is the top right record.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P22.html
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Seidler
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Antão and Maria, twins of Antonio Machado Neto, Porto Judeu, Terceira 1714

[bsei2816]

I found these twins born to my 6th Great Grandparents and hoping someone 
can help me understand.

What I see is Antão and Maria, filhos of Alferes Antonio Machado Neto and 
his wife Maria Clara, born on 11 January 1714.

Antão was baptized at home on 11 Jan because he was in peril.

Maria was baptized on 16 Jan and her godfather is Captain Jacinto Borges 
Homem, married.  I don't see anything further like any madrinhas or a 
padrinho for Antão;  did he die?

I look forward to any comments or corrections,  It is the top right record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P22.html

Thanks,
Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Graciosa - Marriage - 1742 - Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos

[bsei2816]

Hello Bill

There seems to be a page or scans (13v and 14) missing.  This is casamento 
#50 and the next page has what I assume is the last part of Casamento #52 
before #53 starts.  Looking at the last page of the index (image 115), it 
seems the end  of 50, all of 51, and the beginning of 52 are missing.  The 
bride's name is on the right margin where possibly someone tried to recover 
the lost information.  It is Domingas Avila de Bettencourt and can be 
confirmed on the index at the end of this book.  Her parents names are not 
clear to me but I believe I see Manuel Lobam C?? and Catharina ?

As for Vasconcellos, look at Fran-CisCo (lines 7&8).   I think the large Cs 
are purely stylistic.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 10:42:38 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote:

> Some questions about the bottom right record here:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742_item1/P107.html
>
> Trying to trace my da Silva de Vasconcellos line in Victoria, Guadalupe, 
> Graciosa.  Questions:
>
>
>1. Is what I have here correct (dates/names)?
>2. What is in the margins (can't make out key words, but looks like 
>two events for Joao)?
>3. I've never seen "VasConCellos" capitalized this way.  Could this be 
>a combination with "Vaz" (as in "Vaz" from "Vaz do Conde Sodre" became 
>combined with "con" and "cellos")?
>4. I can't make out the brides parents?  Seems to stop with the 
>groom's parents, but the right margin seems to have the information?
>
> Bits and Pieces I can make out:
> The marriage of Joao da Silva (Vasconcellos) and Domingas de Ávila.
>
> Em os quatro diaz de Fevereiro do mil sette centos quarenta e dois.
>
> Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos.
>
> Left margin: P. ? a Joao da Silva ? mes do Junho de 1804
> P. Qa a ? em 17 de Mais de 1805 quadro ?
>
> Right margin: Com Dome de Avila filha de ? Loboa Corria ???
>
> Thank you!
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Baptismal Record of Mariana Arruda

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It looks to me like she was born 30 May 1885 and baptized on the 31st.  
Children are only baptized with one name so I don't see a middle name.

There are actually three margin notes that were all written on 18 Jan 1969 
(the second note actually says 18 Feb 1969):

1. Married Antonio Luiz de Arruda in Posto de ??? de Bretanha on 1 Feb 
1926, (? record 325 of 1926)
2. Marriage dissolved by the obit of the spouse on 6 Sep 1940 (record 325 
casamento of 1926)
3. Died on freguesia of Bretanha, this concelho, on day 14 , record 54 
today, 18 Jan 1969

Bill Seidler

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 6:28:02 PM UTC-7, Luis Arruda wrote:

> Ladies and Gentlemen,
> I would very much appreciate help with the side note on this baptismal 
> record.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P218.html
> This is the baptismal record of my grandmother, Mariana Arruda.
> I need help with the birth date ( is it the 30 May 1885?), her middle name 
> and of course those date on the sideI understand she married my 
> grandfather Antonio Luiz de Arruda on 01 Feb 1940, but the rest is too much 
> for me to understand. 
> The note continues onto the next page where I understand it to mean 
> Mariana may have passed away on 14 August 1959? or 1954?.
> Thanking everyone in advance for all your help.
> Luis Arruda
> Hamilton, ON
> Canada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Side note help (Sao Pedro, Santa Maria) Joao s of Ricardo Joaquim y Maria Umbelina

[bsei2816]

I believe it says:
O individuo a que se refere este registo faleceu nesta freguesia ao 26 de 
Outobro de 1957.  Vila do Porto, 26 (or 20) de Outobro de 1981.

Roughly: He died in this freguesia on 26 Oct 1957.

Bill Seidler


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>
> Can someone please help me with the side note on this one.  Try as I 
> might, I can’t make it out.  Thanks in advance, Left hand page
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P128.html
>
>  
>
> I can read the body.  Just need help with the side note.  Thanks again,
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with birth & baptism date

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Enlarging and darkening Pedro's last name I see what looks like 
Rod**ig***.  I think it might be Rodrigues.

Bill

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> Hi Leonor,
>
> I don't think is says "...quatro digo doze.."  I think it says "quatro 
> dias do mez de..."
>
> It then goes on to say baptism was on 12 of the same month and year.  
> ("Doze" is not very clear but I think I see it)
>
> Padrinho is Pedro as you said but there is an ink blot where his last name 
> should be so I can't get that.  It does say that he is married and natural 
> of Matriz de São Sebastião, City of Ponta Delgada.  What I see for 
> madrinha  is Sebastiana de Pimentel, filha familhas of Francisco da Costa 
> Pires? and Josefa de Pimentel.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:57:15 PM UTC-7, leonor...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a very faint record. I can make out Antonia filha de Manoel da 
>> Costa e de sua mulher Josefa Govea. I need the birth date, I think I see 
>> narceu a quatro, digo doze do mez de Julho de 1764.  I can't make out the 
>> day of her baptism but I think it was on the same month as her birth. Her 
>> godfather was Pedro somebody and her godmother was Someone de Pimentel. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772_item1/P264.html
>>
>> TIA
>> Leonor
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with birth & baptism date

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Hi Leonor,

I don't think is says "...quatro digo doze.."  I think it says "quatro dias 
do mez de..."

It then goes on to say baptism was on 12 of the same month and year.  
("Doze" is not very clear but I think I see it)

Padrinho is Pedro as you said but there is an ink blot where his last name 
should be so I can't get that.  It does say that he is married and natural 
of Matriz de São Sebastião, City of Ponta Delgada.  What I see for 
madrinha  is Sebastiana de Pimentel, filha familhas of Francisco da Costa 
Pires? and Josefa de Pimentel.

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:57:15 PM UTC-7, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is a very faint record. I can make out Antonia filha de Manoel da 
> Costa e de sua mulher Josefa Govea. I need the birth date, I think I see 
> narceu a quatro, digo doze do mez de Julho de 1764.  I can't make out the 
> day of her baptism but I think it was on the same month as her birth. Her 
> godfather was Pedro somebody and her godmother was Someone de Pimentel. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772_item1/P264.html
>
> TIA
> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria

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I'm not familiar with a parish call Candeias, but I found this web site 
that says it is another name for NS da Purificação in Santo Espirito so I 
would try there.

https://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20120116/News/301169671

Bill Seidler
On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 4:34:19 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Leonor, I thought we would eventually find we are related based on some of 
> the names you are researching.  I’m not in Rosario….. yet but; do have a 
> few Andrade people.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *leonor...@gmail.com 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:26 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria
>
>  
>
> Looks like my research has let me to Santa Maria! What fun.
>
>  
>
> This record is from my 3rd great grandmother & my 3rd great aunt (twins). 
> I cannot read the parish they are from. This record is great for the era 
> but I am not familiar with Santa Maria island so any help will be 
> appreciated!!
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815_item1/P67.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

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After reviewing Cheri's post, I made a slight change to my suggestion (in 
red)

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:17:34 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have never seen the name Lixandre before this record, but now I think 
> I've seen it twice.  
>
> It looks to me like Sebastião Lixandre, filho familias de Sebastião 
> Lixandre and D. Lianor Clara
>
> I am nowhere near certainty--this record is tough.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:06:19 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco 
>> Lopes?
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho 
>>> with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish 
>>> their work...they will mess it up)! 
>>>
>>> If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes 
>>>  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is 
>>> Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think 
>>> Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.
>>>
>>> More people need to take a look.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name 
 was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is 
 my 
 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete 
 name if possible.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Correction: Antonio Joze de QUADROS; 1818-1891; Sao Jorge, Rosais

[bsei2816]

Hello Donna

The parents are correct  I believe they all say his father is José Teixeira 
de Quadros.  If you look closely at the obit, what looks like the tail of a 
g in Figueira is actually the loop in the S from São João from the line 
below that connects to the I in Teixeira.  The T in Teixeira is obscured by 
the tail of the g in freguesia from the line above making it look somewhat 
like an F.
 
Bill Seidler

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:26:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote:
>
> Will someone help verify if I have the correct person so I can continue 
> knowing I have a solid foundation..  QUESTION:  Is Jose *Teixeira* de 
> Quadros and Maria de Sao Joao the correct parents for Antonio Jose de 
> Quadros, even though *Figueria* is the middel name in the Antionio's 
> Obituary?  Here’s the evidence….
>
> The *Marriage* record for Antonio Jose de Quadros and Maria Silveira 
> states Antonio’s  parents are Jose *Teixeira* de Quadros and Maria de Sao 
> Joao (died). Rosais, Casamentos 1826-1849.0099
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-C-1826-1849/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-C-1826-1849_item1/P99.html
>   
>   (Left side)
>
> Anntonio’s* Obit* states his wife is Maria Silveira (died) and his 
> parents are Jose* Figueria* de Quadros and Maria de Sao Joao. He leaves 7 
> children. Obit 1890-1899, 1891.0014
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1890-1899/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1890-1899_item1/P31.html
>(lower Right side)
>
> The  *Baptism* record for *Antonio*, son of Jose *Teixeira* de Quadros 
> and Maria de Sao Joao.  Baptism 1818.014
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1816-1826/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1816-1826_item1/P14.html
>   
>   (lower right)
>
> My question, are the parents for Antonio Jose de Quadros correct:?  Is 
> Jose *Teixeira* de Quadros and Maria de Sao Joao the correct parents even 
> though *Figueria* is the middel name in the Obituary?
>
> Thank you in advance. I value your expertise in matters of interpretation? 
>  -Donna
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

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I have never seen the name Lixandre before this record, but now I think 
I've seen it twice.  

It looks to me like Sebastião Lixandre, filho familias de Sebastião 
Lixandre and Maria Lianor.

I am nowhere near certainty--this record is tough.

Bill Seidler

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:06:19 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco 
> Lopes?
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello > 
> wrote:
>
>> Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho 
>> with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish 
>> their work...they will mess it up)! 
>>
>> If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes 
>>  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is 
>> Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think 
>> Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.
>>
>> More people need to take a look.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name 
>>> was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my 
>>> 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete 
>>> name if possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surnames: Barros vs Bairos (Vila do Porto,Santa Maria)

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Hi Sam,

I read it the same as you do: Barros for the father and Bairos for the 
grandfather.  

It must be a mistake; in the parents' casamento "Bairos" is written for 
both groom and father.  .

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1860-1869/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1860-1869_item1/P56.html*
 



Bill Seidler

On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 5:16:34 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:

> Luis and Rick;  Thank you both for your responses.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *Luis Arruda 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 25, 2019 10:44 AM
> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surnames: Barros vs Bairos (Vila do 
> Porto,Santa Maria)
>
>  
>
> Sam,
>
> I see it the way you do...Bernardo do BairosI would guess it was 
> sloppy work on the part of the priest.
>
> Luis 
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:15 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone;  I’m looking for opinions/knowledge here.  In the 
> record below, right side, the father’s name looks to be to be “Barros” and 
> the paternal grandfather looks like “Bairos”  is this just a typical 
> difference of surname or did the pries get sloppy when writing Barros?
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P47.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875

[bsei2816]

I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for.  I see it 
as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario.  He would 
have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old 
more or less.

Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John).  Joam is 
just an older spelling.  It is always João today, but could have been Joam 
through the about the mid-19th century.

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote:
>
> Hi, Please  help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html
> Top right, NO. 15.  My question is:  who is his father (??Joam, Joao, 
> Joaquin??}
>
> This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged 89, 
> who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira de 
> Quadros & Maria do Rosario.
>
> Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because marriage 
> records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted in his 
> second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. It may 
> a handwriting question. 
> Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 and 
> found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the father’s 
> name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.(
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html
> )
>
> In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the obit 
> that might be important to note?
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading baptism of Maria de Viveiros Aguiar

[bsei2816]

Tough to read, but this is what I am getting:

Maria, daughter of Francisco de Aguiar, natural of the parochial church of 
NS da Conceição, in Mosteiros; and of Antonia de (Viveiros is my guess), 
natural of this parish.
Born on the first day of October of 1755 and baptized in this parish of her 
parents on the sixth day of the same month. 

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 9:10:38 PM UTC-7, Luis Arruda wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1742-1767/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1742-1767_item1/P150.html
> Top right corner.
> I think it starts with Maria daughter of Franciso de Aguiar.the first 
> day of Octobe in the year 1755 ...is this the baptismal date or birth date?
> can anyone with much younger eyes have a look...
>  Pease and thank you.
> Luis Arruda 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Apolinario Teixeira Brasil com Barbara da Conceição, Manadas São Jorge, 1732

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Thank you Margaret...I was never even close.

Bill

On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Groom is correct, Apollinar [Apolinario]
>
> Mother: Maria de Siqueira 
>
> All else correct.
>
>  
>
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>
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>
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> *Sent: *March 24, 2019 6:58 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Apolinario Teixeira Brasil com Barbara da 
> Conceição, Manadas São Jorge, 1732
>
>  
>
> Please help with the name of the groom's mother.
>
>  
>
> What I see is:
>
> 29 Sep 1732, Parish of Santa Barbara, Manadas
>
> Groom: Apolinar (Apolinario?) Teixeira Brasil, son of Antonio Teixeira 
> Brasil and Maria de ??? (Can't make this out)
>
> Bride: Barbara da Conceição daughter of Domingos Dias da Rosa and Maria da 
> Piedade
>
>  
>
> Welcome any comments/corrections.
>
>  
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bill seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho

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Thanks to all.  Great explanation Rick--I appreciate it.

Bill

On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 4:01:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Frances Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *The Catholic Church requires the God Parent to be a practicing Catholic 
> who has received the Sacrament of Confirmation. The Bishop having 
> jurisdiction sets the age at which one can be a God Parent. Currently, in 
> the United States, the age is 16 years old. The age at a different time in 
> the Acores could very well have been lower. Much would depend on when a 
> person was confirmed which was generally around 12 or 13. So to answer the 
> question it is possible for a 13 year old to be named a Godparent.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > *On Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2019 4:14 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho
>
>  
>
> I don't know of a minimum age, but I've seen a 13 year old. I don't 
> remember ever seeing a 5 year old. If someone has one, I am sure they will 
> speak up. Cheri
>
>  
>
> On Mar 24, 2019 3:11 PM, "Ângela Loura" > 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, that's possible.
>
>  
>
> > escreveu no dia domingo, 24/03/2019 
> à(s) 19:45:
>
> Is there a minimum age for a Padrinho. 
>
>  
>
> The record shows the padrinho is the son of the baptized baby's father 
> (the baby's half-brother).  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html
>
>  
>
> I just found this boy's baptism and he would have just turned 13 years old 
> (born March 1841) when becoming padrinho to his half-sister.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Apolinario Teixeira Brasil com Barbara da Conceição, Manadas São Jorge, 1732

[bsei2816]

Please help with the name of the groom's mother.

What I see is:
29 Sep 1732, Parish of Santa Barbara, Manadas
Groom: Apolinar (Apolinario?) Teixeira Brasil, son of Antonio Teixeira 
Brasil and Maria de ??? (Can't make this out)
Bride: Barbara da Conceição daughter of Domingos Dias da Rosa and Maria da 
Piedade

Welcome any comments/corrections.

Thank you,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho

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Is there a minimum age for a Padrinho. 

The record shows the padrinho is the son of the baptized baby's father (the 
baby's half-brother).  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html

I just found this boy's baptism and he would have just turned 13 years old 
(born March 1841) when becoming padrinho to his half-sister.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

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I think in this case "official" is better translated as journeyman or 
craftsman than as an equivalent to the English word "official".  Oficina 
means workshop.

Bill

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:

> I can't speak on your record but my mother was a seamstress and at 17 she 
> was the seamstress the soldiers took their pants to me hemmed and pressed. 
> I'm not sure she had the official title but that is what she was known for 
> and it was her job. This was in the mid 1930's though. This is also how she 
> met me dad :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 13:53, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, 
>> what does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the 
>> Official Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

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Hi Sam.

Maria do Espirito Santo.  Manuel de Moura is natural of Assumção and they 
married in São Pedro (Assumção and São Pedro are two different parishes).  
You have the rest correct.\

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 6:49:43 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html
>
>  
>
> Bottom right.  This is what I see on the side note:  Maria da ??  married 
> Manoel de Moura.  He’s from Nossa Senhora d’Assumpcao, Sao Pedro.
>
> They married on 27 March 1911.  Maria died on 16 February  1960.
>
>  
>
> If someone with better knowledge and eye sight could take a look, it would 
> be much appreciated.
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Alves Brasil and Rosa Maria, Manadas, Sao Jorge Marriage note about 1766

[bsei2816]

Thank you very much Margaret.  I was almost there but the note was so 
different from most records I was really unsure.  I have subsequently found 
the marriage of the Rosa Maria de Piedade you mentioned.  It was in 1808 
the same year as the note so likely was the catalyst for the 
"justification".  I also found baptisms for four children of Antonio and 
Rosa Maria between 1763 and 1772, including a Rosa in 1772 that I suspect 
is Rosa Maria de Piedade.  All of these records say "Antonio...e sua mulher 
Rosa Maria"

Bill


On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 6:51:59 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

> Bill, 
>
> That's what it is.  "A Justification" brought about by Rosa Maria da 
> Piedade, because they couldn't find the actual marriage record.  You will 
> see this near the end of 8th line from the top... "e, por que senao 
> acha o termo do seu recebimento" [and because the marriage record is not 
> found] . 
>
> Dated 1808 and inserted in the area of 1767 [probably closest blank area 
> they were able to enter this justification around the 44 year markof 
> 1764] for future reference.
>
> So it seams this couple had a daughter born of the marriage, Rosa Maria da 
> Piedade who justified it.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:24 AM > wrote:
>
>> I would really like to understand what this is about (left side) but I 
>> really don't get it.  
>>
>> This page seems to have been inserted here and is some kind of 
>> explanation or justification rather than a marriage record.  It looks 
>> like it is dated 22 Jan 1808, but the records around it are 1766.  I think 
>> it says the couple has been married for 44 years (from 1808--so since 
>> 1763/4?)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1724-1775/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1724-1775_item1/P119.html
>>
>> I have been unable to find the marriage where one would expect it (before 
>> 1763).  I only came up with this not while I was looking for something else.
>>
>> These are my wife's ancestors.  My wife descends from their daughter 
>> born in Jan 1763.  She was daughter of Antonio Alveres Brasil and his wife 
>> Rosa Maria so at least that priest thought they were already married in Jan 
>> 1763.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1745-1773/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1745-1773_item1/P120.html
>>  
>> (bottom left)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Alves Brasil and Rosa Maria, Manadas, Sao Jorge Marriage note about 1766

[bsei2816]

I would really like to understand what this is about (left side) but I 
really don't get it.  

This page seems to have been inserted here and is some kind of explanation 
or justification rather than a marriage record.  It looks like it is dated 
22 Jan 1808, but the records around it are 1766.  I think it says the 
couple has been married for 44 years (from 1808--so since 1763/4?)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1724-1775/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1724-1775_item1/P119.html

I have been unable to find the marriage where one would expect it (before 
1763).  I only came up with this not while I was looking for something else.

These are my wife's ancestors.  My wife descends from their daughter 
born in Jan 1763.  She was daughter of Antonio Alveres Brasil and his wife 
Rosa Maria so at least that priest thought they were already married in Jan 
1763.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1745-1773/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1745-1773_item1/P120.html
 
(bottom left)

Thank you,
Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

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I cannot make that out to be any name I am familiar with.  I did find the 
parents marriage and the name looks the same but I still don't recognize 
any name I know.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1880-1889/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1880-1889_item1/P436.html
 
(starts on bottom; the name is on the next page)


The marriage says she was born in Matriz de São Miguel, Vila Franca.  I 
believe I found her baptism, but her father is just José Jancinto with no 
other name (it does say oleiro but I believe that is his profession—a 
potter).  His wife’s name is the same as the maternal grandmother on your 
record, “Albina da Conceição so I think this is a match to the marriage.  It 
gives no other last name for his father either.  He is just Manuel Jacinto.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1865-1869/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1865-1869_item1/P294.html
 
(starts bottom right)

 

Hope this helps

Bill Seidler


On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 3:45:34 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Yes, sorry. I did mean maternal and yes, it is JoséI’ve been doing 
> this too long, time for a break!
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Wow, that’s a tough one but; don’t you mean the maternal grandfather?  I 
>> see Jose not Joao but; can’t make out that last name.  Hope someone else 
>> will chime in…
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *leonor@gmail.com 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:06 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name
>>
>>  
>>
>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João 
>> Joaquim ???
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> TIA
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please

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I think it is Margarida Natalia Branco, age 19, natural of Livramento, 
Ponta Delgada, daughter of Antonio Branco Custodio and Francisca de Jesus.

Not 100% sure but it's my best guess.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:

> Sorry, I can’t either.  Sort of looks like “foram” but; then it looks like 
> co on the next page and that doesn’t mean anything either as two words or 
> one.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:08 PM
> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please
>
>  
>
> There’s a name after Natalia Thai can’t make out.
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:59 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> On the side note, yes, I also see that he married Margarida Natalia.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *leonor@gmail.com 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 2:04 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please
>
>  
>
> Can someone make out the bride's name? I get Margarida Natalia 
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P134.html
>
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: #33 name

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The child is unnamed and in imminent danger.  The word is Um Parvulo, which 
translates as a child, innocent.

Bill Seidler

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 2:46:30 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P220.html
>
> Can someone tell me what is the name on left side # 33.  Have not come 
> across it before but now several in Sao miguel.
>
> Thanks
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism in1786: need another set of eyes

[bsei2816]

Thank you Sam.  You are right; I inadvertently dropped the Antonio.

Margaret thanks for the confirmation.

Bill

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Margaret;  I see Antonio in front of that Joao Agueda???
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 18, 2019 8:04 AM
> *To: *azores 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism 
> in1786: need another set of eyes
>
>  
>
> Hi Bill, 
>
> 1.
>
> Groom's father you got it.  Andre Teixeira da Silveira e Lemos
>
> Bride, daughter of Joao de Aguada [Agueda]
>
>  
>
> 2. Birth date 11 Jan 1786 
>
>  
>
> Yes, all confirmed.  
>
> Margaret
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:38 AM > wrote:
>
> I see this marriage on 9 Jan 1786
>
> Groom: Manuel Machado Teixeira, son of André Teixeira da Silveira (? e 
> Lemos) and his wife Margarida de Jesus
>
> Bride: Rosa Machado de Azevedo, daughter of José (or João) (de Aguada) and 
> his wife Maria do Rosario, both deceased. 
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831_item1/P30.html
>  (left 
> side)
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I see the birthdate on this baptism 11 Jan 1786 (lines 4 and 5) just two 
> days after his parents marriage (above); Am I seeing this right?
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801_item1/P70.html
>  
> (lower right)
>
>  
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism in 1786: need another set of eyes

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I see this marriage on 9 Jan 1786
Groom: Manuel Machado Teixeira, son of André Teixeira da Silveira (? e 
Lemos) and his wife Margarida de Jesus
Bride: Rosa Machado de Azevedo, daughter of José (or João) (de Aguada) and 
his wife Maria do Rosario, both deceased. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831_item1/P30.html
 (left 
side)


I see the birthdate on this baptism 11 Jan 1786 (lines 4 and 5) just two 
days after his parents marriage (above); Am I seeing this right?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801_item1/P70.html
 
(lower right)

Thanks for any help.
Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello 1909-2003 Azores

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This marriage did not take place in the Azores.  It was on Madeira, parish 
of Espirito Santo, Vila da Calheta, concelho of Calheta on 10 Feb 1890.


groom: Manuel Gonçalves Morte, 26 years old, single, farm worker, natural 
of Prazeres in this same concelho where he was baptized; son of Manuel 
Gonçalves Morte and Maria Rodrigues, farm workers, natural of the same 
parish of Prazeres.
bride:  Filomena Sardinha Cunha, 20 years old, single, farm worker, natural 
of this parish of Calheta where she was baptized; daughter of Francisco 
Sardinha and Maria Gonçalves Cunha, farm workers and naturals of this 
parish of Calheta.
witnesses: João Francisco d' Ornellas and Vicente Julio Bitencourt Pimenta?

Hope this helps
Bill Seidler

On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 8:32:56 PM UTC-7, Karen LeFord wrote:

> Cheri or whom ever might be able to translate this document would be so 
> wonderful. I have tried using my goodle translator on my phone which helps 
> but I would liket to be able to identify who were present at this marriage 
> and how they relate to one another, dates or ages etc and how could I 
> locate this parish while I am there.
> thank you 
> Karen LeFord
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 6:24 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> There's a Madeira Google Group as well: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/madeira-genealogy 
>>
>> The Madeira Islands are a different archipelago than the Azores Islands.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 3:16 PM Karen LeFord > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>> Thanks for your response. Morte was my mothers maiden name which she 
>>> hated because of the translation. I did find that Morte on Documents on a 
>>> Madiera web site. With Grandpa Morte baptism. I will post that asap maybe 
>>> someone could translate the entire doc.
>>> Thank you
>>> Karen LeFord
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Cheri Mello >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Karen,
>>>
>>> You need a name, date, and specific place. Not just the island. 
>>> Everything in the Azores is organized on the town (freguesia) level.
>>>
>>> The Madeira Islands, of which there are two (Madeira and Porto Santo) is 
>>> a different archipelago than the Azores Islands, of which there are 9 
>>> (Santa Maria, Sao Miguel, Terceira, Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, 
>>> Flores, and Corvo).
>>>
>>> I'm not clear on who you are researching or what time period (date). You 
>>> are researching someone on Madeira, but going to the Azores. Morte means 
>>> death. That's not a surname that's used over there, unless it's some kinda 
>>> of strange nickname.
>>> Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

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On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the film.  
Click that and navigate to image 405.  It is the record of this marriage 
very clear and legible.  It says your bride's parents are from Madeira in 
"Santa Anna" parish.
A search of the Madeira archives at 
https://abm.madeira.gov.pt/pesquisa/baptismo/ gives this result:


   - *Data:* 1876-12-03 
   - *Local:* Paróquia de Santana 
   - *FILHO:* Maria 
   - *Pai:* Simião Joaquim de Aguiar 
   - *Mãe:* Ana de Jesus Ornelas 
   - *Livro:* 6174-A 
   - *Folha:* 39 v.º 
   - *Obs:*

There is no other baptism listed for a father with this name.  This child 
is the right age (would have been 20 in Dec 1896) and the parents' names 
and parish match the marriage record.  The name however is listed as 
"Maria" not "Anna".

Hope you find this helpful.
Bill Seidler

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>
> Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
>
> Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took 
> place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:  
> São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil   
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW 
>
>
> The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna de 
> JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have been 
> tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or passport 
> record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR found in 
> Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.  
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
> jessdeb...@gmail.com 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Assistance - Graciosa - Pedro do Conde Sodre

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I noticed a Pedro Conde de Sodré in a family tree on familysearch.org whose 
wife was Catharina Antunes de Miranda. It says that he was born Abt. 1605 
and she Abt. 1610 and that they married Abt. 1630.  That would be 98 years 
before the marriage you posted.

Since CCA is down I couldn't try to determine the veracity of the 
familysearch.org information, but I thought it might interest you so I'm 
passing it along.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYK7-WZD

Bill Seidler


On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 11:35:39 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote:
>
> Thank you Bill!
>
> This helps tremendously.  This may not be THE Pedro I need, but I've 
> captured his information for later incorporation in my tree.
>
> I looked at the last part with "critatura" and came up with the same.  
> Strange way to refer to a baby.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Bill
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 5:22:29 PM PDT, bsei...@gmail.com 
>  > wrote:
>
>
> I think Pedro's wife is D. Barbara de Mello.  Specifically what I see is 
> ...e D. Agada--DIGO--D. Barbara de Mello.  (He initially wrote Agada, then 
> corrected himself to Barbara)
>
> You translated the date of birth: 10 Sep 1728.  It later says he was 
> baptized in this parish of NS da Guadalupe on day 18 of the same month and 
> year.  Padrinhos: Manuel Fernandes Balieiro, married with D. Antonia ? de 
> Jesus, parishioners of Matriz da Santa Cruz; and Agada Novaes?, daughter of 
> Alferes Antonio ? Picanço?, resident of parish of Apostolo São Mattheus.  
> Witnesses were the same Alfares Antonio Pereira Picanço (I can read it 
> better her) and Manuel de Conde, brother of the father of this 
> criatura??(I'm sure this a word that references the baby, but I am 
> reluctant to translate it as creature)
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 1:37:21 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
> The records are the spelling rules before 1911.  The translators use the 
> modern spellings. So that is why you see the discrepancies. 
>
> The number one: um, hum, and hu (with the tilde over the u) is one that 
> confuses the translator. Many others exist too. 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 1:33 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google 
> translate:
>
> Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara 
> de Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of 
> September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?] 
> Parochial of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the [...] month and year in ...
>
> Simple, but helpful most of the time.  It has me looking harder for the 
> spelling of what you are unsure of because it doesn’t recognize those 
> either.   
>
> Debbie
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have a partial translation for this baptism (bottom right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA- 
> SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA- SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_ item1/P154.html 
> 
>
> Partial translation:
> Manoel filho de Pedro do Conde Sodre e de [Agada Mejeo?] de Dona Barbara 
> de Mello Parochiano de [?]  moradora no Caminho da Victoria nos ao em os 
> dez de Setembro de mil sete centos vinte oito, e [foy?] Parochial de Nossa 
> Senora de Guadalupe em os [?] de mes e anno em ...
>
> The wife's name should be (according to other sources) Catarina Antunes 
> de Miranda.  What is the name of Pedro's spouse and what are the words 
> before her name?  Also, I couldn't determine Manoel's birth date.
>
> I'm starting to explore earlier records hoping to find a connection from 
> the Azores to the mainland.  We are planning a trip to Portugal in the 
> Summer and I would really love to find where either the Conde line or the 
> da Silva de Vasconcellos originated.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
>
> Bill Boyd
> Sacramento, California
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Assistance - Graciosa - Pedro do Conde Sodre

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I think Pedro's wife is D. Barbara de Mello.  Specifically what I see is 
...e D. Agada--DIGO--D. Barbara de Mello.  (He initially wrote Agada, then 
corrected himself to Barbara)

You translated the date of birth: 10 Sep 1728.  It later says he was 
baptized in this parish of NS da Guadalupe on day 18 of the same month and 
year.  Padrinhos: Manuel Fernandes Balieiro, married with D. Antonia ? de 
Jesus, parishioners of Matriz da Santa Cruz; and Agada Novaes?, daughter of 
Alferes Antonio ? Picanço?, resident of parish of Apostolo São Mattheus.  
Witnesses were the same Alfares Antonio Pereira Picanço (I can read it 
better her) and Manuel de Conde, brother of the father of this 
criatura??(I'm sure this a word that references the baby, but I am 
reluctant to translate it as creature)

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 1:37:21 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
> The records are the spelling rules before 1911.  The translators use the 
> modern spellings. So that is why you see the discrepancies. 
>
> The number one: um, hum, and hu (with the tilde over the u) is one that 
> confuses the translator. Many others exist too. 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 1:33 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google 
>> translate:
>>
>> Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara 
>> de Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of 
>> September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?] 
>> Parochial of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the [...] month and year in ...
>>
>> Simple, but helpful most of the time.  It has me looking harder for the 
>> spelling of what you are unsure of because it doesn’t recognize those 
>> either.   
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I have a partial translation for this baptism (bottom right)
>>>
>>
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_item1/P154.html
>>>
>>> Partial translation:
>>> Manoel filho de Pedro do Conde Sodre e de [Agada Mejeo?] de Dona Barbara 
>>> de Mello Parochiano de [?]  moradora no Caminho da Victoria nos ao em os 
>>> dez de Setembro de mil sete centos vinte oito, e [foy?] Parochial de Nossa 
>>> Senora de Guadalupe em os [?] de mes e anno em ...
>>>
>>> The wife's name should be (according to other sources) Catarina Antunes 
>>> de Miranda.  What is the name of Pedro's spouse and what are the words 
>>> before her name?  Also, I couldn't determine Manoel's birth date.
>>>
>>> I'm starting to explore earlier records hoping to find a connection from 
>>> the Azores to the mainland.  We are planning a trip to Portugal in the 
>>> Summer and I would really love to find where either the Conde line or the 
>>> da Silva de Vasconcellos originated.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Bill Boyd
>>> Sacramento, California
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism of Maria, Manadas Sao Jorge, 1854

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Thanks again Margaret.  I think I understand bur the word choice seems 
odd.  I'm just throwing that out there.

Bill

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:55:32 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

> viuvo, q mepedio lhe lansase neste termo por sua filha
>
> [que me pediu lhe lançasse .]
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:24 AM > wrote:
>
>> Maria was born to a single mother and a widow.  I would like to know the 
>> words after the father's name that I assume is his admitting to being the 
>> father.  Starts on line 4 with "viuvo…" and ends next line I believe 
>> with"...sua filha ??, fregueses…"
>> (bottom right)
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html*
>>  
>> 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Jose Cordeiro

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Wow!   Cheri there is so much information in your answer but presented so 
well that even I can get it.  Thank you so much.

I actually did an archive search and found that Matt's nephew joined this 
group before I did and posted this in May 2012:

*Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores.  His Father 
was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  
Francis left the Azores as a young boy and*
*spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  
He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never 
became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand.   In 1883,  at the age of 50 
years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand 
and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  
We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any 
connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear 
from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather.*
*My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady 
from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American 
relatives?*

So in 2012 he was from "somewhere in the Azores".  Based on the common 
matches I think Graciosa is much more likely.  There are several matches 
that specifically list Praia, Graciosa.  One of the common matches I have 
confirmed descends from Francisco's father Antonio Jose Cordeiro, but from 
his second wife (not Francisco's mother).

I did notice that Matt did YDNA testing.  If I can get one of my 
brothers-in-law to do DNA testing which would be the appropriate test?  My 
brothers-in-law and their sons are also direct male descendants of 
Francisco Jose.

Thanks again.
Bill


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:46:27 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Bill (and those following along),
>
> I can answer with some specifics and not reveal the Match's name (who will 
> now be called Matt for Match).
>
> Bill thinks that Matt may be a half 1C2R. (Say, you and your 1st cousin 
> are cousins because of Grandma and Grandpa Silva. That's a 1C (1st Cousin). 
> If you were a HALF 1C, then you come from one ancestor only (let's say 
> Grandpa) because he married twice - one of you would come from one spouse 
> and the other would come from the other spouse. That's how you get a 1/2 
> cousin. Which doesn't matter in the real world, but it does with the DNA 
> numbers).
>
> So the shared centiMorgans (cMs - a genetic unit of measure) with Matt is 
> 108 cMs with the longest block being 47 cMs! That's a really good block!
>
> From the DNA Geek's Probability chart, on the DNA Painter website: 
> https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
>
>
> [image: image.png]
> There's lots of "half" probabilities going on up there in that chart.
>
> Now for the longest block, from The Shared CentiMorgan Project: 
> https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/2015/06/01/the-shared-cm-project-longest-shared-segment/
> [image: image.png]
>
> Blaine Bettinger doesn't have the statistics on a Half 1C2R. On average, 
> it would be a little less, but would be within range. (Blaine gets these 
> stats by people submitting them to him and he publishes these charts for us 
> to use).
>
> Matt is the grandson of the ancestor in question. He's done a Y-DNA test 
> as well (you click on the + at the far right (which turns into a minus) and 
> you can see all the tests taken:
> [image: image.png]
>
> So does your wife have a male in her family (her brother, uncle, nephew, 
> or male cousin) who has this line as their Y-DNA line? Matt's YDNA matches 
> are just outside the genealogy time period, I think. 
>
> I think you need to trace ALL the descendants of the ancestor in question 
> all the way forward, as much as you can. And you need to find out why Matt 
> is saying your possible common ancestor is from Sao Miguel. Your "In Common 
> With" matches to Matt are all over the place. There's lots of Graciosa, 
> some Sao Jorge, Pico, Flores, so as I said, it's all over the place. But NO 
> Sao Miguel. I kinda think Matt may be mistaken with him thinking his 
> ancestor is from Sao Miguel. You'll have to ask him why he thinks that.
>
> The matching segments (there's a block of 11 cM on Chr.1 as well):
> [image: image.png]
> Now Matt, his nephew, and your wife:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Chr. 13 is looking good, but now Chr. 9 is a problem. You'll have to work 
> on that one later. 
>
> I think you are on the right track. You'll need to DNA test a few more 
> people though. FTDNA may have a sale on Y-DNA around Father's Day in 
> America, which is mid-June (for those in the reading audience outside of 
> America). And trace forward as much as you can.
>
> Hope this gives you more information to ponder. Or make your head explode. 
> LOL
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:46 PM 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Jose Cordeiro

[bsei2816]

Thank you Cheri; I sent an email with my wife's kit# and the names of the 
matches of interest.  I also sent an email to ask if they are registered in 
the Azores DNA project.

I understand that I cannot prove they are the same person.  All I can do is 
attempt to disprove it.  I have accounted for the two kids mentioned in 
Maria Isabel's obit.  One was born in 1849 on Graciosa and the other in 
1854 on Sao Jorge.  The first immigrated around 1869 and died in Sacramento 
CA in 1923.  The second is my wife's great grandfather who raised a family 
on Sao Jorge and died in Urzelina in 1926.  She also had a child in 1852 
but that one died in infancy.

Bill

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Email me offlist with your wife's kit number and the name of her DNA 
> match. OR screen shot the match and block out the name of the match. OR 
> contact the match and ask permission to post their name and picture, but be 
> sure to explain to them that you are removing their name and picture from 
> the security of the FTDNA web site and are posting it on the the World Wide 
> Web and anyone with Internet access will be able to find out that they have 
> DNA tested. Be sure that they understand that by your action, they cannot 
> hold anyone else liable for the knowledge that they DNA tested is out 
> there. And then send me that permission to post his/her name and picture.
>
> It's hard to help the Austrialians and New Zealanders in that time period. 
> I don't know what resources they have for that time period. 
>
> Instead of trying to prove that is guy is the match's guy, prove that he's 
> not. Maria dies first (her obit does NOT say he's "ausente") so look for 
> his death in that parish. Maria's obit also says she left 2 children. You 
> need to reconcile that as well.  I'd look for children of Maria and this 
> Francisco for 5 years after Oct 1855 just to be really sure. And be really 
> sure that you don't have 2 Francisco Joses married to 2 Maria Isabels in 
> that same freguesia. I would think it would be very difficult to lie on a 
> confession roll as well. The priest would find out.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:34 AM > wrote:
>
>> This is just a shot in the dark looking for any help.  My wife has a 
>> close DNA match in New Zealand.  He is the grandson of Francis Joseph.  A 
>> mariner that jumped ship in New Zealand in the 1860s, reported that he was 
>> widowed when he married in New Zealand in the 1880s, was from the Azores 
>> and had a father named Antonio that was a carpenter.  Francis Joseph did 
>> work as a cooper for his company in New Zealand.  I got this information 
>> from member of this list who is also a DNA match to my wife and a nephew of 
>> the closer match.  We are studying the possibility that Francisco Jose 
>> Cordeiro and Francis Joseph might be the same person hoping to prove or 
>> disprove it.
>>
>> Their names and ages roughly line up.  I do not know if Francisco's 
>> father Antonio was a carpenter on Graciosa, but his son and grandson were 
>> both carpenters.  There is a Francis Joseph listed as a cooper on the 
>> Whaling Ship Seconet on a voyage from 1955 to 1860 (a carpenter could 
>> easily be a cooper) but unfortunately the database does not give an age or 
>> home.   This vessel did go to the South Pacific.
>>
>> I am trying to trace Francisco Jose Cordeiro and looking for any 
>> insight.  I am especially trying to figure out if he could have been absent 
>> from the Azores from mid/late 1860s and on in spite of his wife's obit 
>> saying they are still married.
>>
>>
>> Here is his baptism in 1828 in Sao Mateus da Praia, Graciosa
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html
>>
>> Here is his marriage on Sao Miguel Island in July 1849:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html
>>
>> Here is his son Manuel's baptism in his home parish on Graciosa 5 months 
>> later:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html
>>
>> Here is his second son Joao's baptism in Urzelina, Sao Jorge in 1852 
>> (Note that Urzelina is where his wife lived the two years prior to marriage 
>> according to her marriage):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html
>>
>> That son died after just 40 days:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html
>>
>> Here is his 3d son (second named Joao) baptism in Oct 1855 (note: he was 
>> born Jun 1854, about 15 months prior)

[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Jose Cordeiro

[bsei2816]

This is just a shot in the dark looking for any help.  My wife has a close 
DNA match in New Zealand.  He is the grandson of Francis Joseph.  A mariner 
that jumped ship in New Zealand in the 1860s, reported that he was widowed 
when he married in New Zealand in the 1880s, was from the Azores and had a 
father named Antonio that was a carpenter.  Francis Joseph did work as a 
cooper for his company in New Zealand.  I got this information from member 
of this list who is also a DNA match to my wife and a nephew of the closer 
match.  We are studying the possibility that Francisco Jose Cordeiro and 
Francis Joseph might be the same person hoping to prove or disprove it.

Their names and ages roughly line up.  I do not know if Francisco's father 
Antonio was a carpenter on Graciosa, but his son and grandson were both 
carpenters.  There is a Francis Joseph listed as a cooper on the Whaling 
Ship Seconet on a voyage from 1955 to 1860 (a carpenter could easily be a 
cooper) but unfortunately the database does not give an age or home.   This 
vessel did go to the South Pacific.

I am trying to trace Francisco Jose Cordeiro and looking for any insight.  
I am especially trying to figure out if he could have been absent from the 
Azores from mid/late 1860s and on in spite of his wife's obit saying they 
are still married.


Here is his baptism in 1828 in Sao Mateus da Praia, Graciosa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html

Here is his marriage on Sao Miguel Island in July 1849:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html

Here is his son Manuel's baptism in his home parish on Graciosa 5 months 
later:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html

Here is his second son Joao's baptism in Urzelina, Sao Jorge in 1852 (Note 
that Urzelina is where his wife lived the two years prior to marriage 
according to her marriage):
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html

That son died after just 40 days:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html

Here is his 3d son (second named Joao) baptism in Oct 1855 (note: he was 
born Jun 1854, about 15 months prior)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html

This marriage lists Francisco Jose Cordeiro as father of the groom and is a 
carpenter in 1882:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html

This obit says Maria Isabel is "casada com Francisco Jose Cordeiro" in 1901
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html

The only Urzelina confessional roll available for the time in question is 
1888.  It does not list Francisco Jose Cordeiro.  His son Joao Baptista 
Cordeiro is listed there along with his wife and their first two kids.  
Also listed in the house is a Maria Jose, mother, widow, 76 years old.  I 
am thinking this could be Joao's mother (Francisco Jose Cordeiro's wife) 
but her name is Maria Isabel and she would be only 69 years old.  It doubt 
it could be Joao's mother-in-law because her name was Rosa Ignacia and she 
was never married.  Francisco's son Manuel went to California as a young 
man (about 1869) and raised a family in Sacramento under the name Manuel 
Jose Lamb.  I can't find his immigration that might help figure out if his 
family were on Graciosa or Sao Jorge at the time of his departure.  The 
only other son (just to confirm his mother's obit said she left 2 kids) 
stayed on Sao Jorge and had four kids, one of whom is my wife's grandfather 
Joao Batista Cordeiro Jr.

I applaud anyone that takes the time to read through this mess and look 
forward to any comments

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism of Maria, Manadas Sao Jorge, 1854

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 Maria was born to a single mother and a widow.  I would like to know the 
words after the father's name that I assume is his admitting to being the 
father.  Starts on line 4 with "viuvo…" and ends next line I believe 
with"...sua filha ??, fregueses…"
(bottom right)
*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html*
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Antonio Espinola, Praia, Graciosa, 1831

[bsei2816]

Thank you Maragret.

On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 4:56:15 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Bil, 
>
>  
>
> It’s the letter ‘D’ for Dona; as in D. Catharina [Catarina]
>
>  
>
> Margaret
>
>  
>
> *From: *bsei...@gmail.com 
> *Sent: *March 11, 2019 7:28 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Antonio Espinola, Praia, 
> Graciosa, 1831
>
>  
>
> Please help with parents' names for Antonio, bottom left.
>
>  
>
> I see Rafael Spinola (Espinola) and his wife ? Catharina (what is that 
> before Catharina?).
>
>  
>
> I see that they live in Fonte do Mato, which is in this parish and after 
> that is the birthdate of 28 Apr 1731.
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738_item1/P61.html
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Antonio Espinola, Praia, Graciosa, 1831

[bsei2816]

Please help with parents' names for Antonio, bottom left.

I see Rafael Spinola (Espinola) and his wife ? Catharina (what is that 
before Catharina?).

I see that they live in Fonte do Mato, which is in this parish and after 
that is the birthdate of 28 Apr 1731.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738_item1/P61.html

Thanks in advance.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote Help. Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto,Santa Maria

[bsei2816]

 No here it is...really,

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P20.html*
 



On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 7:55:47 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Here is that groom's baptism which confirms his father's name as Manuel 
> Ignacio (Inacio) de Moura.
>
> Bill
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bill.  It really helps to get a second or third opinion.  I got 
>> most of it right! 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *bsei...@gmail.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:45 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote Help. Sao Pedro, Vila do 
>> Porto,Santa Maria
>>
>>  
>>
>> The first side note gives her name as Maria Rosa de Moura and say she 
>> married Antonio de Moura ; I think the date is 9 Feb 1920.  It says he is 
>> son of Manuel (Inacio is my best guess) de Moura and Jacinta Julia dos 
>> Santos.  The second not gives her name as Maria de Morais Moura and says 
>> she died, as you already stated, on 23 Nov 1949.  Her father's name (from 
>> the body of the record--not the side note) is Antonio Morais (Moraes) de 
>> Moura.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 3:50:15 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P94.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bottom right, Maria.  Lots of questions on this one.  Apologies.
>>
>>  
>>
>>1. To me it looks like one side note says her name is Maria Roza and 
>>the other sidenote says Maria something that starts with an “M”.   
>>2. I think it says she married Antonio de Moura sometime in 1920 but; 
>>I can’t tell the exact date.  
>>3. Also Antonio’s parents are Manoel ? Moura and Jacintha Julia dos 
>>Santos, right? 
>>4. Maria died the 23rd of May 1949, correct?
>>5. Lastly, Maria’s dad was Antonio Moraes? Moura.  Is that right
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gratefully, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote Help. Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto,Santa Maria

[bsei2816]

Here is that groom's baptism which confirms his father's name as Manuel 
Ignacio (Inacio) de Moura.

Bill

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill.  It really helps to get a second or third opinion.  I got 
> most of it right! 
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *bsei...@gmail.com 
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:45 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote Help. Sao Pedro, Vila do 
> Porto,Santa Maria
>
>  
>
> The first side note gives her name as Maria Rosa de Moura and say she 
> married Antonio de Moura ; I think the date is 9 Feb 1920.  It says he is 
> son of Manuel (Inacio is my best guess) de Moura and Jacinta Julia dos 
> Santos.  The second not gives her name as Maria de Morais Moura and says 
> she died, as you already stated, on 23 Nov 1949.  Her father's name (from 
> the body of the record--not the side note) is Antonio Morais (Moraes) de 
> Moura.
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 3:50:15 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P94.html
>
>  
>
> Bottom right, Maria.  Lots of questions on this one.  Apologies.
>
>  
>
>1. To me it looks like one side note says her name is Maria Roza and 
>the other sidenote says Maria something that starts with an “M”.   
>2. I think it says she married Antonio de Moura sometime in 1920 but; 
>I can’t tell the exact date.  
>3. Also Antonio’s parents are Manoel ? Moura and Jacintha Julia dos 
>Santos, right? 
>4. Maria died the 23rd of May 1949, correct?
>5. Lastly, Maria’s dad was Antonio Moraes? Moura.  Is that right
>
>  
>
> Gratefully, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
>  
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote Help. Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

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The first side note gives her name as Maria Rosa de Moura and say she 
married Antonio de Moura ; I think the date is 9 Feb 1920.  It says he is 
son of Manuel (Inacio is my best guess) de Moura and Jacinta Julia dos 
Santos.  The second not gives her name as Maria de Morais Moura and says 
she died, as you already stated, on 23 Nov 1949.  Her father's name (from 
the body of the record--not the side note) is Antonio Morais (Moraes) de 
Moura.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 3:50:15 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P94.html
>
>  
>
> Bottom right, Maria.  Lots of questions on this one.  Apologies.
>
>  
>
>1. To me it looks like one side note says her name is Maria Roza and 
>the other sidenote says Maria something that starts with an “M”.   
>2. I think it says she married Antonio de Moura sometime in 1920 but; 
>I can’t tell the exact date.  
>3. Also Antonio’s parents are Manoel ? Moura and Jacintha Julia dos 
>Santos, right? 
>4. Maria died the 23rd of May 1949, correct?
>5. Lastly, Maria’s dad was Antonio Moraes? Moura.  Is that right
>
>  
>
> Gratefully, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

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Hi Sam

Looks like Angela may have really come through for you.  Did you notice 
that your Maria do Rosario was born in Ponta Delgada, (parish of Sao 
Pedro).  The Joao Sousa Palheiro Angela's post refers to was from Ponta 
Delgada as well.  I think it says the parents on this baptism were married 
in Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, but live in Sao Pedro, Vila do 
Porto, Santa Maria.

Best of luck,
Bill Seidler

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-8, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> I just checked and there's a thread from 
> 
>  
> 2009 about Sousa Palheiro
>
> linda > escreveu no dia domingo, 
> 3/03/2019 à(s) 23:12:
>
>> Joao de Sousa Balheiro?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with 
>>> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t 
>>> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather’s name

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Yes I get the frustration.  I have at lease two feminine ancestors that 
started using different devotional names.  I think this is likely the case 
here that she became known Maria da Trinidade instead of Maria do Rosario.  
More baptisms of their children might help sort it out.  

Bill


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 2:01:59 PM UTC-8, Leonor Bertoni wrote:

> Thank you Bill. But of course it shows a different name for his wife, this 
> man is very frustrating!!
>
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 16:22, > wrote:
>
>> He is simply Manuel Pacheco on his daughter's marriage with no mention of 
>> that puzzling word.  It also shows that he is natural of São Pedro parish 
>> in Vila Franca.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879_item1/P251.html
>>
>> Manuel reference starts about 7 lines down on next page.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 9:13:00 AM UTC-8, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone! I will do what Cheri recommended and see where it takes 
>>> me. I have a feeling the last name is just Pacheco, the other name may have 
>>> been an apelido. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Go find this Manuel Pacheco "Tarrabazana" marriage and all his kids. 
 See how the name gets spelled in all those records. It may be a 
 misspelling 
 or perhaps the priest was hard-of-hearing or the scribe couldn't read the 
 notes and took a guess at Tarrabazana.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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> The ENTIRE Internet has nothing on Tarrabagana or Tarrabazana, very 
> frustrating.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:53 AM Gustavo MARTINS  
> wrote:
>
>> I read the same: Tarrabazana, and I’ve never seen that name before. 
>> It doesn’t sound like a Portuguese name. Maybe Italian, Spanish??...
>>
>> > Em 28 de fev de 2019, à(s) 05:08, leonor@gmail.com escreveu:
>> > 
>> > Hi! Record No. 33, maternal grandfather's name, I can make out 
>> Manoel Pacheco, but the last name looks like Tarrabazana, I have 
>> searched 
>> it on google but nothing comes up. Anyone? If it is Tarrabazana, does 
>> anyone know anything about this name?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1889-1897/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1889-1897_item1/P172.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather’s name

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He is simply Manuel Pacheco on his daughter's marriage with no mention of 
that puzzling word.  It also shows that he is natural of São Pedro parish 
in Vila Franca.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879_item1/P251.html

Manuel reference starts about 7 lines down on next page.

Bill Seidler

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>
> Thanks everyone! I will do what Cheri recommended and see where it takes 
> me. I have a feeling the last name is just Pacheco, the other name may have 
> been an apelido. 
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Go find this Manuel Pacheco "Tarrabazana" marriage and all his kids. See 
>> how the name gets spelled in all those records. It may be a misspelling or 
>> perhaps the priest was hard-of-hearing or the scribe couldn't read the 
>> notes and took a guess at Tarrabazana.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:57 AM Leonor Bertoni > > wrote:
>>
>>> The ENTIRE Internet has nothing on Tarrabagana or Tarrabazana, very 
>>> frustrating.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:53 AM Gustavo MARTINS >> > wrote:
>>>
 I read the same: Tarrabazana, and I’ve never seen that name before. It 
 doesn’t sound like a Portuguese name. Maybe Italian, Spanish??...

 > Em 28 de fev de 2019, à(s) 05:08, leonor@gmail.com  
 escreveu:
 > 
 > Hi! Record No. 33, maternal grandfather's name, I can make out Manoel 
 Pacheco, but the last name looks like Tarrabazana, I have searched it on 
 google but nothing comes up. Anyone? If it is Tarrabazana, does anyone 
 know 
 anything about this name?
 > 
 > 
 > 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1889-1897/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1889-1897_item1/P172.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha (early 17th century)

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My apologies.  Apparently the index show two instances of a Miguel da Cunha 
marrying an Isabel Lucas in Lajes in less than a year.  This one was in 
1682.  Both are difficult to read.

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1636-1691/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1636-1691_item1/P182.html*
 



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wrote:

> According to the Terceira Marriage index they were married in 1681.  This 
> link should be their marriage starting at the bottom and continuing on the 
> next page.
>
> It is very damaged and hard to read but I can make enough out to believe 
> it is the correct one.
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1636-1691/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1636-1691_item1/P173.html*
>  
> 
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 8:48:50 AM UTC-8, Diego Santos wrote:
>
>> Thank your for your answer! Lajes, Praia da Vitória, Terceira. 
>>
>> El mié., 27 feb. 2019 a las 13:23, Cheri Mello () 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Which Lajes? There are a few different Lajes' in the Azores. Let us know 
>>> the island. Thanks!
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 8:18 AM Diego Santos  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Members,

 I come from Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha through their son Miguel da 
 Cunha, married at Lajes in 1682 with Izabel Lucas. They had another son, 
 Antonio Mendes, married with Francisca Fernandes. They both many 
 descendants in Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. 
 Any information about them would be very welcomed!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help. Sao Pedro, Santa Maria (Resendes)

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He married in this concehlho on 28 Sep to Fernanda da Conceição Rezendes, 
24 years of age, single, daughter of Manuel Rezendes and Valentina 
Lucianna.  Note dated 28-9-1930.



Bill Seidler

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:12:14 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> This is a birth record for Manoel.  It starts on the bottom left with most 
> of the record on the right.  It is, once again, the *side note *I need 
> help with.  I easily understand the bottom note of Manoel dying in Rhode 
> Island, USA on 18 Oct. 1992 and I think I see that the top side note is 
> when he married but; I can’t quite make out the bride’s first name.  
> Fernande?? 
> da concecao Resendes, daughter of Manoel de Resendes and Bernardina 
> Lucianna??  I can’t see a date for the marriage at all….
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P113.html
>
>  
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha (early 17th century)

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According to the Terceira Marriage index they were married in 1681.  This 
link should be their marriage starting at the bottom and continuing on the 
next page.

It is very damaged and hard to read but I can make enough out to believe it 
is the correct one.

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1636-1691/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1636-1691_item1/P173.html*
 

Bill Seidler

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> Thank your for your answer! Lajes, Praia da Vitória, Terceira. 
>
> El mié., 27 feb. 2019 a las 13:23, Cheri Mello ( >) escribió:
>
>> Which Lajes? There are a few different Lajes' in the Azores. Let us know 
>> the island. Thanks!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 8:18 AM Diego Santos > > wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Members,
>>>
>>> I come from Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha through their son Miguel da 
>>> Cunha, married at Lajes in 1682 with Izabel Lucas. They had another son, 
>>> Antonio Mendes, married with Francisca Fernandes. They both many 
>>> descendants in Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. 
>>> Any information about them would be very welcomed!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Index - Joao Vieira - Sao Roque

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Thank you Margaret.  I've pasted your response here where I am sure you 
intended to post it.


>From Margaret:

Hello, one and all.

 

For all its worth “do Rocio” is NOT indicative of a Surname.  It is 
indicating a place.  i.e. ‘[do lugar] do Rocio [Rossio] ” that’s what he’s 
saying.  A Rossio is the town square.

 

Margaret


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>
> Gustavo,
>
> Everything regarding Azores genealogical research is on the Azores GenWeb. 
> We try to make it a one-stop shop for our research needs:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
>
> Bookmark or save that site.
>
> Point at the Maps, Databases, and pick your island.
>
> If you have a file you would like donated to the Azores GenWeb, contact 
> the webmaster, Kathy Cardoza at kmacardoza at mac.com
>
> If you find a link to an index that would be a helpful finding aid, copy 
> the URL and send it to Kathy as well.
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:23 AM Gustavo MARTINS  > wrote:
>
>> Hello, Fawn!
>>
>> Where can I find this Pico Index? I have a lot of ancestors who come from 
>> that Island.
>> Would you send me the file, if possible?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Gustavo Martins
>> Santa Catarina - Brasil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 25 de fev de 2019, à(s) 00:34, Fawn Silva <2si...@gmail.com 
>> > escreveu:
>>
>> I have a question abt an entry on the AZ Gen Web Pico Index.  I 
>> appreciate all the work that has been done in putting together these 
>> wonderful indexes and how much time and effort they have saved me & so many 
>> others.  Thank you so much to all who have done this.
>>
>> My question is concerning Joao Vieira's daughter, Agueda's baptism 
>> record.  The Pico index has Joao's name as Joao Vieira do Rocio (e o Joao 
>> Vieira Bezerra) for this baptism but when I went to the CCA to verify, 
>> there is no mention of the e o Joao Vieira Bezerra in the document.
>>
>> I know that Joao Vieira's father's name is Antonio Vieira Bezerra from 
>> Joao's marriage record and also that there is another Joao Vieira Bezerra 
>> who is married to Margarida Pereira who is having children baptized during 
>> this same time period. 
>>
>> Just wondering abt this e o Joao name mentioned in the index.  Thank you 
>> for any thoughts on this.
>>
>> Fawn Silva
>> St. Louis, MO
>>
>> Third baptism down on left side
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P36.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pico Index - Joao Vieira - Sao Roque

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I still think Agueda's baptism has the father as Joao Vieira "do Rocio" as 
the indexer wrote.  I am not the most knowledgeable on Portuguese 
names--but "do Rocio" makes no sense to me and I can't think of what else 
it might be.

CITCEM has both of these Joao you reference as "Joao Vieira Bezerra".  

The one married to Apolonia Dias, born 25 Nov 1899 to parents Antonio 
Vieira Bezerra and Barbara Manuel.  
The other one married to Margarida Pereira, born 13 May 1607, to parents 
Gonçalo Martins Vieira Bezerra and Merênciana Cerqueira

Bill

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>
> Fawn,
>
> The index you posted is for a baptism, but the record you posted is a 
> marriage.  Here is the baptism the index entry you posted references:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1622-1670/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1622-1670_item1/P40.html
>
>
> I think the indexer transcribed exactly what it looks like, then attempted 
> to clarify the identity with info that was not in the record (which the 
> indexer rightfully put in parentheses)
>
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 7:34:34 PM UTC-8, 2si...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have a question abt an entry on the AZ Gen Web Pico Index.  I 
>> appreciate all the work that has been done in putting together these 
>> wonderful indexes and how much time and effort they have saved me & so many 
>> others.  Thank you so much to all who have done this.
>>
>> My question is concerning Joao Vieira's daughter, Agueda's baptism 
>> record.  The Pico index has Joao's name as Joao Vieira do Rocio (e o Joao 
>> Vieira Bezerra) for this baptism but when I went to the CCA to verify, 
>> there is no mention of the e o Joao Vieira Bezerra in the document.
>>
>> I know that Joao Vieira's father's name is Antonio Vieira Bezerra from 
>> Joao's marriage record and also that there is another Joao Vieira Bezerra 
>> who is married to Margarida Pereira who is having children baptized during 
>> this same time period. 
>>
>> Just wondering abt this e o Joao name mentioned in the index.  Thank you 
>> for any thoughts on this.
>>
>> Fawn Silva
>> St. Louis, MO
>>
>> Third baptism down on left side
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P36.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pico Index - Joao Vieira - Sao Roque

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Fawn,

The index you posted is for a baptism, but the record you posted is a 
marriage.  Here is the baptism the index entry you posted references:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1622-1670/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1622-1670_item1/P40.html


I think the indexer transcribed exactly what it looks like, then attempted 
to clarify the identity with info that was not in the record (which the 
indexer rightfully put in parentheses)


Bill Seidler





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>
> I have a question abt an entry on the AZ Gen Web Pico Index.  I appreciate 
> all the work that has been done in putting together these wonderful indexes 
> and how much time and effort they have saved me & so many others.  Thank 
> you so much to all who have done this.
>
> My question is concerning Joao Vieira's daughter, Agueda's baptism 
> record.  The Pico index has Joao's name as Joao Vieira do Rocio (e o Joao 
> Vieira Bezerra) for this baptism but when I went to the CCA to verify, 
> there is no mention of the e o Joao Vieira Bezerra in the document.
>
> I know that Joao Vieira's father's name is Antonio Vieira Bezerra from 
> Joao's marriage record and also that there is another Joao Vieira Bezerra 
> who is married to Margarida Pereira who is having children baptized during 
> this same time period. 
>
> Just wondering abt this e o Joao name mentioned in the index.  Thank you 
> for any thoughts on this.
>
> Fawn Silva
> St. Louis, MO
>
> Third baptism down on left side
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P36.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help please, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

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Hello Sam.

You are right on all three.  What the first note says after the groom's 
name is that he was single, 33 years old, and son of José Ricardo and Maria 
José do Rego and is natural of São Pedro (this parish)

Bill Seidler

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>
> culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P105.html
>
>  
>
> Bottom right: Ludovinia.  I’m pretty sure that the side note is saying she 
> married the 23 of June 1934 to Jose Ricardo Can anyone please confirm and 
> what does it say after his name?
>
>  
>
> On the next page is the side note saying that Jose Ricardo died on 
> November 15, 1960?  
>
>  
>
> The last note:  Does it say Ludovinia died 24 April 1984?
>
>  
>
> I promise no more questions tonight.  I am really, really grateful for all 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maira, Vila do Porto, Sao Pedro; side note help

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Further info: The marriage was on 1 May 1937 (maybe 1939 instead?) and the 
bride was 27 years old.  The death on the previous page was 19 June 1975 
(possibly Julho instead of Junho?).

Bill Seidler


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> José Monteiro Tavares married Ana da Conceição Tavares daughter of Antonio 
> José Monteiro and Camila de Jesus.
> The he died looks like 1975.
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  > escreveu no dia domingo, 24/02/2019 à(s) 17:25:
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>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P11.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Top left side note:  Does it say he married ? Umbelina on 1 June 1937.  
>> Her father was Antonio Jose ? and mother: ? de Jesus.  I see the surname 
>> Tavares there also but; not sure who it pertains to.  Also, on the previous 
>> page, Jose,  bottom right, does it say he died 18 June (what year).
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P10.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage Record Help

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It would be helpful to point out the record you want. 

Mariana de Mello who married Joam da Costa on the left is daughter of 
Francisco da Souza, deceased; and his wife Iria de Mello.  All are from 
this same Matriz.

Mariana da Souza who married Bento da Costa on the right is daughter of 
Symão Alverez and his wife Maria da Souza, they are from Nossa Senhora do 
Rosario, Lagoa, where the bride was baptized.

Bill Seidler


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> I’m trying to find Marianna’s place of birth. I think it’s Matriz, but not 
> 100% sure. Can someone transcribe the last part of this record that has her 
> parents and church. 
> Thanks Fernando 
>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1743-1763/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1743-1763_item1/P106.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pedro Miguel, Faial, Help reading marriage Tome Furtado y Quiteria Maria de Trindade

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This is tough.  I used the FastStone editor that Angela Loura kindly shared 
with the group some time ago to darken it a bit.

I see 5 Feb 1759 Thome (Tome) Furtado, son of Felipe? Furtado and his wife 
Isabel da Faria (Ja Defuntos?--I think both parents are deceased)

marrying Quiteria (I can't see the beginning but it ends with "teria" so I 
think it's right) Maria da Trinidade,  daughter of Francisco Duarte and his 
wife Francisca Maria da Trinidade.

Hope this helps.

Bill Seidler

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> This one is a real test.  Is it Tome Furtado marrying Quiteria de Trindade 
> on 5 Feb 1759?  If that is correct, can anyone make out anything else on 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is the mother of Maria, #1, Libana or Sibana Soares de Figueiredo?

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Hi Sam,

I believe it is Libana (I've not seen this but Libania is a name I am 
familiar with)

I see a small terminal loop before the next letter starts that is not 
present on any of the capital S instances on the record; but is present on 
the name Lucrecia in the record on the next page.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with John Manteiga

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Hi Leonor,

I found this page that list deaths of Bates alumni.  

It lists a John S. Manteiga [class of] 1958 and lists a death date of 22 
Jul 2005.

*https://www.bates.edu/magazine/back-issues/y2006/summer06/deaths/* 


 

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> he attended Bates College from 1954 to maybe 1956, I think he was a 
> freshman in '54. He was born in the US. In Canada you can start college at 
> about 18, not sure what the US is like.
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>> Bates College where? America? Canada? Maybe England? Approximately when 
>> was this John Manteiga born and where (if you know it)?
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>>> stories. I have been able to confirm these stories with Portuguese 
>>> newspaper articles. However, she said she thought we had a cousin by the 
>>> name of John Manteiga who played college basketball (this was a story her 
>>> mom told her). Today, I did a couple of searches and did find a John 
>>> Manteiga that played basketball when he attended Bates College in 1953, I 
>>> even found that he was married to a Jane Willard. For the life of me, I 
>>> cannot find anything else on him. Do any of you know or have any 
>>> suggestions on how I can find out his "bio", I would like to know his 
>>> parents's names to see if he is the son of the John Manteiga in my tree. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with side note: Manoel, s of Jose Joaquim de Moura and Jacintha Umbelina, Santa Maria

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I once again give my vote of confidence to Cheri.

I see that he married on 27 April 1928 and agree that she was 27 years old 
and with all the names Cheri provided.  

It seems that his missed attempts to cross Ts results in dotted vowels 
after the Ts (see vinTE seTE, mil nove cenTOS, vinTE oiTO, and then again 
in her age vinTE seTE annos)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more please

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Sam,

He didn't die on 29 Oct 1983--his wife did.  You already had that as a side 
note on her baptism that you posted yesterday.  Note 3 is about his death 
on 19 Nov 1987.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side notes help, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

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Yes I think Angela has it.  I think her second father-in-law has the same 
name as her paternal grandfather: Antonio Soares Coelho (her paternal 
grandmother is Maria Jacinta while her mother-in-law is Maria Jose Soares)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side notes help, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

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Is this it:  

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P7.html*
 

If so, here is my take:

Note 1: Married 10 Nov 1926 to Jose Tavares, record #32; note written 29 
Oct 1983

Note 2: Above marriage dissolved by the obituary of the spouse on 19 Jan 
1930 in this parish of São Pedro, record #6; note written on 29 Oct 1983

I really can’t make out note 3 except that I think it gives her name as Ana 
Soares de Encarnação

Note 4: She died today, note dated 29 Oct 1983


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Side notes help, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

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Sam,  I don't see the link.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria-baptism - top of left hand page (#33)

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Hi Linda,  I'll take a shot at the first two questions.  I hope this helps. 

I was wondering what it says after Our Lady of the Rosary (godmother). I 
> see the word "creanca" - child, and Jose Silveira de Brum, married. Just 
> wondering what else it said in that sentence.
>

...para madrinha foi invocada Nossa Senhora do Rosario, tocando a corôa da 
Imagem na creanca, Jose Silveira de Brum, Casado, agricultor. (For the 
Godmother, Our Lade of the Rosary was invoked touching the crown of the 
statue on the child, Jose Silveira de Brum, married, farmer).  This is the 
same situation as the one you posted yesterday.

>
> Also, what does it say after the mother's name and before the paternal 
> grandfather's name?
>
 
...d'occupação domestica [Occupation is homemaker].  (neta paterna de) digo 
[digo means "I say" and is used for "I meant to say"]. This is because he 
realized he was going out of sequence.   Adding the parentheses to show 
what was said by mistake and should be disregarded is a nice touch I 
haven't seen before.  He then continues with what he did mean to say 
"naturais e parocheanos d'este parochia onde foram baptizados e recibidos e 
moradores na lugar de Almagreira" [They were born in and are parishioners 
of this parish where they were baptized and married and are residents in 
the locale of Almagreira].  Then continues with neta paterna in the proper 
sequence.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

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After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is 
single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said.  I think the 
confusing part is that they did not name a godmother.  Instead it says that 
for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue 
and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason).  I assume he 
must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it.  I am 
not familiar with this practice.  

My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help

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I'm afraid I don't see Maia.  I think the father is from Vila Franca.  
I see o pai natural desta villa e a mãe natural da Ponta ??? (I believe JR 
is correct, I'm just having a hard time to make what I see to say 
"Garça".   It does say they are residents of Ribeira Sequa (Seca) which as 
JR and Cheri stated is part of this parish but became its own parish in 
2002.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Joaquim Jose de Bittencourt e Laureana Antonia 1782 Marriage

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Hello Sandra,

I agree with Cheri on the groom's father.  I think the Groom's mother is 
Dona Thomásia Josepha Bittencourt, and you have her birth parish correct 
(NS Conceição).  I agree with Cheri on the bride's mother and with the rest 
of your findings except the date.  I see 20 Oct instead of 22 (what you 
think is "dois" I think is "dias")

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho e Benedicta Mariana 1764 Marriage

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Hello Sandra,

I hope this is helpful; it really tested my limits.

9 July 1764, in the morning in the parish of S. Roque dos Altares, in my 
presence and of the witnesses present,  Vicente Borges and Matheus 
Coelho,... without discovering any impediments to become man and wife (then 
some reference to the Bishop in Angra?)...Joseph (José) Roiz (Rodrigues) 
Coelho son of M.el (Manuel) de Souza (Sousa) and his wife Gertrudes da 
Conceição, she is deceased; with Benedicta (Benedita) Mariana daughter of 
M.el (Manuel Miz (Martins) Marques and his wife Ursula de Jesus, she is 
deceased; all are native of this parish where the contraentes were 
baptized.  Signed by Antonio Vaz Toste (the priest) and the witnesses 
Vicente Borges and Matheus Coelho.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Lourenceo 1758 Altares Terceria marriage help

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I think it is Francisco Lourenço filho de Miguel Ferreira, auzente 
(ausente) e sua mulher Maria do Espirito Santo (?ditto Miguel Fra.???) It 
looks like the father's name is repeated after the mother's name--I don't 
know why.

The bride looks like Antonia Maria, filha de Francisco Cardoso e sua mulher 
Isabel do Espirito Santo, já defunta.  I believe both bride and groom are 
from this parish.  I can't make out where it is talking about the lent and 
the banns but Altares is the only parish I see mentioned.

I believe "dito" is mentioned (as in previously stated); whereas "digo" is 
I say (as in I meant to say)

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Alves Berberea 1736 Biscoitos marriage

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Hello Sandra.

Yes; he and Bras da Sylva were both witnesses and member of this parish.  
They both signed (or had someone sign) the record.  I am assuming that 
witnesses (testemunhas) is abbreviated as "tes.tas"

Also, I see the date as the 14th rather than the 4th.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note: Baptism, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

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I agree with Cheri but believe the name is João José de Andrade.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Augusto, Rabo de Peixe, S. Miguel 1875

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I hadn't come across this name Libano before.  Thank you Cheri and JR.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Augusto, Rabo de Peixe, S. Miguel 1875

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Oops!...here is the link.  The record is bottom right continuing to the 
next page.

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879_item1/P47.html*
 



Thanks,

Bill


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> Miguel 1875
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> I need some help with this very faint record.  I believe the baptism date 
> is 24 Sep 1875 and that he was born at 3am the same day; line 8: dia supra 
> indicado (= date indicated above?)
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> Also would like to confirm that the maternal grandparents are Manuel da 
> Souza ???(name or occupation?) and Maria da Trinidade.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Augusto, Rabo de Peixe, S. Miguel 1875

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I need some help with this very faint record.  I believe the baptism date 
is 24 Sep 1875 and that he was born at 3am the same day; line 8: dia supra 
indicado (= date indicated above?)

Also would like to confirm that the maternal grandparents are Manuel da 
Souza ???(name or occupation?) and Maria da Trinidade.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record

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22 October 1876 is the baptism date.  Birthday is 15 of the same month.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Margin note in Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel island

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Hello Cheri,

That clearly seems to say 1981 that they married, even though the note was 
written in 1968, the groom died in 1963, and the Rosa herself died in 1971 
(I think).  It is equally clear that this must be wrong.
I would guess the actual year of marriage to be either 1918 or 1921.  

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading this marriage record.

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Hi Doreen,

It says "filho do outro d' mesmo nome"  (son of another of the same name), 
so the groom's father was Joao Rodrigues Monteiro, deceased.

It also  says both newlyweds are parishioners and were baptized in the same 
parish stated above (so Fontinhas).  I expect it is the same Maria Eugenia 
you refer to above as she would have been 20 years old at the time.

Bill Seidler

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> Let side of the page
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P62.html
>
> I’m reading as Joao Rodrigues Monteiro, son of  and Dona Marianna 
> Victornia, marrying Dona Maria Eugenia, daughter of Dionisio Jose Leal and 
> Francisca Victornia, natural to ?
>
>  
>
> Now already in my database it Dionisio Jose Leal married to Francisca 
> Victornia  Caetano Andrade having a daughter named Maria Eugenia (like 
> above) born 1832. 
>
> Can you help me with the ???
>
> Thanks. Doreen
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos Paroquiais

[bsei2816]

She was the legitimate daughter of Manuel Silveira Cardosa and Genoveva da 
Conceição, both native of this parish.  She left no will nor left children.

The way I read it she did not have kids.

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

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I had previously tested with FTDNA and 23andMe.  FTDNA had me 0% Iberia and 
23andMe had me as 42% Iberian.  I just transferred my FTDNA data to 
MyHeritage and they estimate my Iberian to be 40% (based on the same data 
that FTDNA had at 0% Iberia)

I am 50% Azorean with two grandparents from the Azores (Terceira and São 
Miguel), one grandparent whose parents were German-Swiss, and one 
grandparent from Ireland.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading Altares marriage record

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I see the Faleiro (Faleira) now.  I just couldn't figure out how Phillippe 
got the date with the page so damaged--but now I see it written in the 
margin. 

Bill


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading Altares marriage record

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Thanks Cheri...you are right that it is de Jesus.

Bill

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading Altares marriage record

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Hi Doreen,

What I see is Francisco Correia, son of Manuel Correia and Maria dos Anjos, 
native of São Roques, Altares marrying Teresa Antonia da Luz (it says 
Maria, DIGO Teresa Antonia ??).daughter of Maria ???, baptized in parish of 
Arcanjo São Miguel in Lajes.  I can't make out a date and do not believe 
there is a father of the bride named.

Hope this helps.
Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Baptism record for Jose son of JoseCoelho Machado and Isabel de Jesus.

[bsei2816]

I thought you wanted Jose, son of Jose Coelho Machado and Isabel de Jesus 
which does not have margin note.  The record with the margin note is for 
Jose, natural son of Catarina Ignacia, single.  The margin note says Jose 
is legitimized by the marriage of Jose Lourenço Caetano and Catarina 
Ignacia de Jesus.

By the way, your link doesn't work because it is missing the last letter.  
This one works  

*http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1860-1869/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1860-1869_item1/P205.html*
 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Baptism record for Jose son of Jose Coelho Machado and Isabel de Jesus.

[bsei2816]

 

Doreen,

 

This is how I read it:

 

Baptism: José on 1 July 1862 at São Roque dos Altares

Date of birth: 3 June 1862 (or maybe 13 June; the line above interferes)

Father: José Coelho Machado, laborer

Mother: Isabel de Jesus, worker

Both parents are naturals, were married in, and are parishioners of this 
parish and residents of Raminho

Paternal grandparents: José Coelho Berbereia and Maria Isabel

Maternal grandparents: Antonio Ferreira and Antonia Narcisa

Godfather: Manuel Coelho Toledo, married, laborer

Godmother: Felicia Rosa, single

 

I’m not sure about residents of in the lugar of Raminho but that is how it 
looks to me.  I know that Raminho is, at least now, its own parish and it, 
along with Altares are in concelho of Angra.  The records in this book show 
Altares to be in the concelho of Vila da Praia da Vitoria.

 

Good luck,

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1705 Marriage record of Manuel Martins(Alves)and Luzia Pereira (Parreira) de Rosario of Lajes, Terceria

[bsei2816]

 

Doreen,

To support the baptism of Matias I provided, here is a what I believe to be 
his marriage (right side)

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SE-C-1754-1780/TER-AH-SE-C-1754-1780_item1/P80.html*
 


24 Jan 1760, Matias Cardoso son of Manuel Ferreira Cardoso and his wife 
Maria Sylveira natives of the parish of Ribeiras, Island of Pico, marrying 
Maria Antonia, daughter of Manuel Machado Falcão (I think) and his wife 
Maria da Conceição natives of the parish of (Santo Antonio?)

And I believe this is their child Margarida, born 15 Oct 1762 in Porto 
Judeu (bottom right)

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1751-1770/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1751-1770_item1/P85.html*
 


And here is what I believe to be Maria Antonia’s baptism (top right):

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1730-1751/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1730-1751_item1/P19.html*
 


Maria, daughter of Manuel Machado Falcão and his wife Maria da Conceição, 
natives and parishioners of this parish of Santo Antonio, born 7 October 
1731.

I do believe this is the same Matias and Maria Antonia in all of these 
records from Sé and Porto Judeu on Terceira and from Ribeiras on Pico, but 
I am never 100% sure of anything.  I am also not sure of the name Falcão 
because it is not clear to me in either record.  I do see the compound 
surname of Machado Falcão on the Terceira marriage index in Porto Judeu; 
but not with the first name Manuel.

I have not tested MtDNA, but even if I had this is not my maternal line 
since my direct maternal line is from São Miguel where my mother’s mother 
is from.  It is my mother’s father that was from Terceira.

I hope this helps.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1705 Marriage record of Manuel Martins (Alves)and Luzia Pereira (Parreira) de Rosario of Lajes, Terceria

[bsei2816]

Thanks Doreen.

In case you need it, the baptism of Mathias Cardoso from Pico is here: 

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P24.html*
 


I have discussed this before with Sandra Valine Dauer, who like your cousin 
Vera is a FTDNA match to me.  I believe Sandra also descends from Antonio 
Vireira and Margarida Antonia.

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1705 Marriage record of Manuel Martins (Alves) and Luzia Pereira (Parreira) de Rosario of Lajes, Terceria

[bsei2816]

I just realized that not only descend from the groom's parents, but from 
the groom.  I descend from the same couple you are asking about, Manuel 
Maritins and Luiza Pereira do Rosario through their daughter Maria da 
Resurreição married to Manuel Vieira.

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1705 Marriage record of Manuel Martins (Alves) and Luzia Pereira (Parreira) de Rosario of Lajes, Terceria

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Hello Doreen,

I see the date as 8/24/1705.

Groom is Manuel Martins son of Simão Martins and Maria Pacheco from Porto 
Judeo.
Bride is Luzia Pereira do Rosario daughter of Andre Faleiro (deceased) and 
Barbara da Costa from Lajes.

If I am reading correctly the groom parents are my ancestors also and their 
marriage is the easy to find because it is the first marriage recorded in 
Porto Judeu.

Is this another common ancestor we have?  Our ancestries are already fairly 
tangled in Ribeirinha.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:39:40 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> I’m having a very hard time reading this record.  I have the date 
> 8/25/1705 (hope that is right). The brides’ mother’s name Barbara da Costa. 
>
> The rest is too hard for me to read. Can someone help me?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1696-1753/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1696-1753_item1/P37.html
>
> I would love to have the parents’ names and locations. Thanks
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Joao MachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

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Hello Doreen,

I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right 
record.  However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and 
Maria Isabel rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is 
the top left record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed 
as the widow of Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Assistance - Death Paschoal de Sousa Leal 25 July 1745(?)

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Hello Tony,

I can make out a little of it (I think), but not too much in the later part 
that I think is mostly about the burial.  The main point I can make is the 
date of death is the 24th.  "Digo" literally translates as "I say" but as 
used in this context it is "... what I meant to say was..." for the priest 
to correct what he wrote wrong.

My wife has some ancestry from Manadas and grandparents named Amarante, but 
they are from the neighboring parish of Urzelina.  My wife and I recently 
made a trip to visit there.  Do you know a Maria Jose Azevedo da Silveira?

Bill Seidler



On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 2:34:24 PM UTC-7, Azores Genealogy group 
wrote:
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> Looking for some assistance in translating the attached document.  The 
> document is not available via CCA but rather through the Book of Obitos 1721 
> to 1746 for the Church of Santa Barbara, Manadas, Sao Jorge, Azores via 
> the Sao Jorge Genealogy website image reference 004. Can anyone fill in the 
> blanks for correct any errors in my translation below? Thanks in advance, 
> Tony
>
>
> On the twenty fifth day (digo--I meant to say) the twenty fourth day of 
> the month of July of the year of one thousand seven hundred and forty five 
> passou 
> (passed) from life present with all the sacraments Paschoal de Sousa 
> Leal, native and parishioner of this Church Parish of the Martyr Santa 
> Barbara town of Manadas at the age of fifty six years more or less married 
> with Maria Pereira did not make a will; his wife became obligated to 
> request for him _ twenty five masses one annual Rosary ___ shrouded in a 
> habit of picote __ ___ __ Francisco _ __ __ ___  scapular 
> with all __ __ ___ _ _ __ _  Church ___ 
> __ __ _  _  ___ __  _ __ month and 
> _ ut supra
>___ Vicar Francisco Xavier Machado 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searchable Azores church records on MyHeritage?

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I joined my heritage a few months ago.  They do have some Portuguese 
records that are indexed, but I do not believe any are from the Azores.  In 
their catalog they list them as Portugal Births, 1570 - 1910; Portugal 
Marriages, 1670 - 1910; and Portugal Deaths, 1640 - 1910.  I have not seen 
a listing of their Portuguese sources, but if I search for a common name I 
see records listed from Setubal, Leiria, Porto, and possibly other mainland 
regions as well as records from Madeira.  If I put the location as Azores, 
it always gives no results.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another Altares baptism were I need helpreading the relationship of the godparents to the child

[bsei2816]

Hi Doreen,

I suspect the Francisco and Beatriz couple you have in your database is the 
correct couple (parents of the brother/sister godparents) and the priest 
simply made a mistake by repeating the godmother's name instead of her 
mother's.  I do not find a Francisco Gonçalves Velho marrying a MARIA do 
Espirito Santo on the Terceira marriage index, but there is one marrying a 
BEATRIZ do Espirito Santo (which you know because you put it in another 
post)

Furthermore, in a quick scan I found three children from this couple.  

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P33.html*
 

 
(Francisco, bottom left)

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P105.html*
 

 
(Maria, top right)

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P166.html*
 

 
(Joam, bottom left)
I think it likely that the Francisco and Maria above are Narcisa's 
godparents and the priest just made a mistake on their mother's name.  

I hope this helps.

Bill

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading this Altares Marriage record from 1825

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Hi Doreen,

I see the same names you do and I believe the bride's parents are Francisco 
Martins Diaz and Rosa da Trinidade.

I wouldn't assume just yet that your database has a mistake.  The priest 
may have mistakenly repeated the daughter's (the godmother of Narcisa) name 
"Maria do Espirito Santo" instead of her mother's name which your database 
and the above marriage suggest is Beatriz.

Good luck,
Bill

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> I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco 
> Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria 
> de Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is 
> Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a 
> problem in my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can 
> get from this record would greatly be appreciated.
>
> The record is on the right side. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
>
> Thank you
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another Altares baptism were I need help reading the relationship of the godparents to the child

[bsei2816]

It says the godparents Francisco Gonçalves Velho and his sister Maria do 
Espirito Santo; and thay they are children of Francisco Gonçalves Velho and 
his wife Maria do Espirito.  It doesn't give their relationship to the 
baby.  There is not Beatriz named.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 9:01:58 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Good morning again. Here is another baptism records where I need help 
> understanding the relationship of the godparents to the baby. The baby 
> Narcisa is the daughter of Jose Martins Coelho? And Maria Joaquina. The 
> godparents are Francisco Goncalves Velho? Is it saying that he is the son 
> of Maria do Espirito Santoor his sisiter. Then it mentions Francisco 
> Goncalves and Maria do Espirito Santo. Not a hard record to read, it is 
> just that my ability to read Portuguese is poor.
>
> Narcisa’s record is on the right side of the page. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
>
> In my database I have Francisco Goncalves Velho senior and Beatriz de 
> Espirito Santo having two children Francisco Goncalves Velho born 12/1827 I 
> n Altares and Francisco Goncalves Velho Jr, born 1835. I do not have 
> parents listed for  Francisco and Beatriz. I have Francisco Jr. and 
> Francisca Rosa having a child named Manuel Goncalves Velho. And Francisco 
> Jr. He has another wife named Maria de Socorro.
>
> Any help you could provide in helping me build this family group would be 
> greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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