Re: Transfer on Railo
Yes, Transfer works on BlueDragon 7.0.1. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Commmunications, LLC Does this work yet ? What about Transfer on BlueDragon ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to autoschediastically bully low-risk meta-services on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:302251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Transfer on Railo
That's correct. BlueDragon currently only supports Flex remoting via web services. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC On Friday 28 Mar 2008, Vince Bonfanti wrote: Yes, Transfer works on BlueDragon 7.0.1. Cool. But BlueDragon doesn't have support for Flex Remoting to a CFC using RemoteObject from Flex, right ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to centrally reintermediate open-source infomediaries on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:302254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
BlueDragon 7.0.1 Released! native x64 for Windows and Linux
New Atlanta is pleased to announce the immediate availability of BlueDragon 7.0.1 for download and purchase: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm New features in BlueDragon 7.0.1 include: - native x64 support for Windows and Linux - upgrade built-in JVM to JDK 1.6 (Java 6) - additional frameworks support (see below) - bug fixes and performance enhancements In addition to popular frameworks such as FuseBox, Mach-II, and ColdBox that are supported in earlier BlueDragon releases, the following frameworks have been tested and are supported in BlueDragon 7.0.1: - ModelGlue - ColdSpring - Reactor - Transfer ORM - CFUnit - FarCry Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:296133 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF8: Serialise a CFC?
Even if CF8 can serialize CFCs (I've read that it can), I don't think you can store complex variables in the Client scope. I'd assume that a serialized CFC would be considered a complex variable. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC I read somewhere that in CF8 you can serialise CFCs. That's about the hottest topic in my list at the moment - i have to make architectural decisions in the next few hours, one of which depends on whether or not you can serialise CFCS and store them in the database as client vars or not. Yes, you can. I'd be very careful about doing this and storing them within a database via the Client scope, though, since that could beat the crap out of your servers if you're not careful. For example, I wouldn't want to do that on every page request (which is generally when Client variables are updated). If so, how? Generally, my understanding is that this will happen automatically for you if you're storing CFC instances in the Session scope, and you have session replication configured across multiple servers. However, as Rakshith points out, you can do it yourself as well: http://www.rakshith.net/blog/?p=4 ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF8: Serialise a CFC?
I see. I was confusing his question with placing a CFC in the Session scope, where it's implicity serialized if you have J2EE Sessions enabled. I don't think this will work with the Client scope unless you explicitly (manually) serialize the CFC yourself. Vince Even if CF8 can serialize CFCs (I've read that it can), I don't think you can store complex variables in the Client scope. I'd assume that a serialized CFC would be considered a complex variable. No, it's a string. The example in the URL I included writes the string to a file. There is a serious limitation to this, though - your CFC can only contain strings, structures and other CFC instances apparently. If it contains arrays or queries, you can't deserialize it again! Apparently, Adobe's working on fixing that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control
Yes, this is possible with BlueDragon.NET (I can send you an example if you need it). No, I don't think this is possible with CF8, because CF8 does not provide any integration with ASP.NET, and .NET controls require the ASP.NET runtime context. CF8 integration with .NET is done via a separate Windows process--you can see this in the Services control panel or task manager--and this process does not provide any integration with ASP.NET. In contrast, BlueDragon.NET is implemented entirely on top of (within?) the ASP.NET runtime. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC Hello All, I have had the following request past onto me: Can we pass CF a .net 3.0 dll containing a control - say the calendar control, and then allow CF to consume this dll and display the calendar. I am using CF8 and I am aware that BlueDragon could be a possible answer to this, I was wondering if this is possible with CF8. The most I have done so far is use cfobject to expose some .net methods and display the data they return. Hope this makes sense. Thanks, Jose Diaz ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293878 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control
Another way to look at it, kinda, is that CF8 integrates with server side .NET stuff, but not client side .NET stuff, like the ASP.NET UI controls. I see the point you're trying to make, but this isn't really accurate. An ASP.NET control is equivalent to a CFML tag, and is rendered completely on the server. Another analogy you can make is between ASP.NET controls and JSP taglibs, which are also rendered completely on the server. Your first statement was more accurate (the for CF8 in parentheses was added by me): Not really, ASP.NET is not part of the integration story (for CF8). I'm not sure what you mean by CF8 integrates with server side .NET stuff. To me, .NET integration in CF8 is very much like Java integration was in CF5. In CF5, you can create Java objects via CFOBJECT, but there's no integration with server-side Java (J2EE, or now, just JEE). Prior to CFMX, there was no integration with J2EE servers, such as the J2EE Sessions option, or the ability to use JSP taglibs within CFML pages. Similarly, CF8 lets you create .NET objects via CFOBJECT, but provides no integration with ASP.NET, which is the .NET server-side equivalent of JSP/J2EE. Contrast this to BlueDragon.NET, which provides full integration with ASP.NET in much the same way that CFMX (and the Java/J2EE editions of BD) provide full integration with J2EE. BD.NET has an ASP.NET Sessions option, which allows you to share session scope variables between CFML and ASP.NET pages, and allows you to include (via CFINCLUDE) ASP.NET pages within CFML pages (these included ASP.NET pages can contain ASP.NET controls, which was the original question here). More information can be found in the BD 7.0 Integrating CFML with ASP.NET document: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/7_0/BlueDragon_70_Integrating_CFML_with_ASPNET.pdf Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293892 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: IIS 7.0 for CFML Developers
Internet Information Server (IIS) 7.0 is the newest release of Microsoftâs web server for Windows. Currently shipping with Windows Vista, IIS 7.0 is also part of Windows Server 2008, scheduled for I can't believe anything would even RUN on Vista. It's still just as useless as ever. I know many people have complained (and are complaining) about Vista, but personally I've been running it exclusively since Feb this year without any problems, so I guess your mileage may vary. The fact that I bought a new laptop with Vista pre-installed (rather than upgrading my old laptop) may have helped. Honestly, though, I'm must less interested in Vista than in IIS 7.0 and Windows Server 2008, which have been running microsoft.com since June, and parts of myspace.com: http://blogs.technet.com/mscom/archive/2007/09/07/the-tasty-morsels-found-in-dogfood-mscom-ops-top-10-changes-in-iis7-0.aspx I'm not a person who tends to have stong feelings about desktop operating systems. The best reason I can think to run Vista--and the only reason I switched from Windows XP--is to do development on IIS 7.0. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC P.S. While we're on the subject of IIS, the latest Netcraft survey is interesting: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/10/11/october_2007_web_server_survey.html According to Netcraft, Apache has around a 10% market share advantage over IIS now, which is the smallest gap between the two since IIS was launched in 1996. While so many people focused on the browser wars and the fact that IE is losing market share to Firefox, IIS is steadily creeping up on Apache. It'll be interesting to see if IIS can surpass Apache market share in the next year or so. ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:291204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
IIS 7.0 for CFML Developers
I've prepared a talk entitled, IIS 7.0 for CFML Developers that I'll be presenting at various CF user groups and conferences over the next several months. While I do discuss BlueDragon, this is not a BD-specific presentation, but is intended to be of general interest to all developers who deploy CFML applications on IIS using either ColdFusion or BlueDragon (either the Java/J2EE edtions or BlueDragon.NET). Here's the synopsis: Internet Information Server (IIS) 7.0 is the newest release of Microsoftâs web server for Windows. Currently shipping with Windows Vista, IIS 7.0 is also part of Windows Server 2008, scheduled for release in February 2008. This talk will present an overview of the major new features of IIS 7.0, including: customizable installation, simplified configuration and administration, security enhancements, integrated request pipeline, extensibility enhancements, and much more. The impact and benefits of the new IIS 7.0 features for developers using Adobe ColdFusion or New Atlanta BlueDragon will be explored. Here's my current schedule: - Maryland CFUG, November 13, 2007 - Capitol Hill User Group, November 15, 2007 - Atlanta CFUG, January 2008 - CFUNITED Europe 2008, March 12-13 2008 Let me know if you're interested in having me give this presentation to your local CFUG. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:291144 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Null Values
FYI, that code does work in BlueDragon 7.0, which can distinguish between nulls and empty strings, and supports the null keyword: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=5C2377F1-534E-5920-D87611A2FB9BE5EC Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com Hi, i am getting data out of a database. i need to be able to check if a value returned in a query is null. i am trying to use the following code but it is not working cfif questionTextVariables.minTextLimit is null it seems a bit strange that the word null is not going blue to indicate that it is a recognised word. thanks for the help richard ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:290586 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Null Values
Vince - just out of curiousity, if I've got a bunch of code doing this: cfif foo eq and in some cases it's empty string and others it's null - would that code FAIL to wkr as expected under Bluedragon because null neq ? That code will work exactly as expected under BlueDragon 7.0. For backwards compatibility, BD treats null database values as empty strings just as CF does; but BD gives you the additional option of explicity checking for a null value. So you can do this (I hope this formatting comes out right): cfif foo eq !--- database null or empty string --- cfif foo eq null pfoo is a database null cfelse pfoo is an empty string /cfif /cfif I'm not sure you'd every write code exactly like that, but it illustrates the point. Vince ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:290593 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Trying to understand the CF8 - .Net integration
Dave Watts wrote: There is, however, a problem with people making uninformed decisions based on what these web agencies recommend without any sort of ROI evaluation. Yes, agreed. I guess I was responding to your comment that, I would be happy to tell your boss that he should put down the crack pipe if he thinks it's a good idea to switch from CF to .NET. While that may play well for laughs in this forum, it's not very sound technical or business advice. I was trying to make the point that sometimes it *is* a good idea to switch from CF to .NET (regardless of whether or not you choose to use BlueDragon to help make the switch). Dismissing anyone who considers making such a switch as being on crack is silly. To Matt Williams: I used the phrase some people to indicate that I realize the statements I made in favor of switching from CF to .NET aren't true for all people. Sometime it's a valid decision to stay with CF, and sometimes it's a valid decision to switch to .NET (or to Java/JSP/J2EE, or to PHP). I would never argue that it's the right decision for everyone in all situations to switch from CF to .NET, but for some people it is. That was my point. ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:290077 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Trying to understand the CF8 - .Net integration
Dave Watts wrote: For what it's worth, it's almost never a good idea to switch from CF to .NET, or vice-versa, if you have any significant investment in application code. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just angling for your money. Hmmm...there are many good reasons to stay with CF rather than switching to .NET, but there are also many good reasons to switch from CF to .NET, as we've seen many companies do over the past few years (starting with MySpace.com). I'm not advocating that anyone *should* make that switch, but here are some of the reasons we've heard from people who have made the switch (not necessarily in any particular order): 1. Licensing costs. Some people balk at paying $7500 per CPU pair for CF Enterprise when ASP.NET is included in Windows at no cost. I understand that CF Standard is $1300 per server, and that for a small number of servers even the $7500 per 2-CPU cost can be small compared to overall project costs. But, for someone with dozens, or hundreds, or thousands of servers, the CF license costs can become a real obstacle. 2. Performance and realiability. Some people find they get better performance and realiability of their web applications running .NET rather than CF. 3. Developer tools. Some people find that the tools available for ASP.NET development--especially Visual Studio--are superior to tools available for CF development. 4. Developer availability. Some people find it's easier to hire trained, experienced ASP.NET developers than it is to find and hire trained, experienced CF developers. I realize I have to tread carefully here, so again, I'm not advocating that anyone should switch from CF to .NET, but am disputing Dave's statement that, it's almost never a good idea to switch from CF to .NET by pointing out that there are many organizations for whom it has in fact been a very good idea, and listing some of the reasons why. Since I'm sure to be accused of just angling for your money anyway, let me point out that BlueDragon.NET can be very effective in helping you migrate from CF to .NET while preserving your investment in CFML code: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=9DFBA97F-124C-10CB-361E10851B5FAB32 Cheers, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289953 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
BlueDragon 7.0.1 beta - native x64 for Windows and Linux
The BlueDragon 7.0.1 beta is now available for download from New Atlanta's FTP server: ftp://ftp.newatlanta.com/public/bluedragon/7_0_1beta/ New features in BlueDragon 7.0.1 are: - native x64 support for Windows and Linux - upgrade built-in JVM to JDK 1.6 (Java 6) - additional frameworks support (see below) - bug fixes and performance enhancements In addition to popular frameworks such as FuseBox, Mach-II, and ColdBox that are supported in earlier BlueDragon releases, the following frameworks have been tested and are supported in BlueDragon 7.0.1: - ModelGlue - ColdSpring - Reactor - CFUnit - FarCry We plan to support Transfer ORM in the BlueDragon 7.0.1 final release, but there are some lingering issues that weren't addressed in time for the beta (if you're interested in testing Transfer, please contact me privately and I'll arrange to get you a pre-release build with Transfer support as soon as it's ready). Also, Transfer will only be supported on the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon, but not on BlueDragon.NET (all other frameworks are supported on all BlueDragon editions). Please report any issues you find with the BlueDragon 7.0.1 beta to either the BlueDragon-Interest mailing list: http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon-interest.cfm or via our online bug-tracking database (registration required): http://www.newatlanta.com/c/support/bluedragon/bugtracking/home The beta testing period is expected to last 4-6 weeks, so expect the BlueDragon 7.0.1 final release in late October or early November. As always, pre-release (beta) software is intended for testing and evaluation purposes only; do not use the BlueDragon 7.0.1 beta or any pre-release software in production environments. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289518 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF8 amp; .NET HELP!!!
I downloaded your DLL and ran it successfully on BlueDragon.NET, including the
following:
cfoutput#math.Add( 2, 2 )#/cfoutput
This at least tells you that your DLL is built properly, and the problem's
somewhere else.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
Following on from the Simple .NET example. It just doesn't work.
I've cooked it so many ways, others are having the same problem.
So can some people please try this to see how many people have this problem.
The example was found here.
http://www.mikehuntington.com/techblog/index.php/2007/08/10/my-first-attempt
-at-calling-net-assemblies-with-coldfusion-8/
C# Code here
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MathExample
{
public class MathClass
{
public static int Add(int a, int b)
{
return (a + b);
}
}
}
CF Code here
cfobject type=.net name=math class=MathExample.MathClass
assembly=#expandPath('.\MathClass.dll')# /
cfdump var=#test# /
DLL available at http://code.fraser.id.au/MathClass.zip in case you can't
compile C# code.
I (and others) get the exception
ClassName
MathExample.MathClass
Detail
The assembly that contains the class must be provided to the assembly
attribute.
Message
Class MathExample.MathClass not found in the specified assembly list.
And in my dotnet.log
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:24,,Error in retrieving the
referenced assembly
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:26,,Aborting proxy generation as no
classes were found in dependent class list. This might mean that the class
MathExample.MathClass was not present in the assembly
So someone needs to be able to answer as to why this is happening?
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
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Re: Railo 2 Released
Sean wrote: I will, of course, try BD 7.0.1, but would request that you try the Mac install with Apple's Java 6 Developer Preview (as well as the regular Java 5). Thanx! Will do. We've added this to our project plan. Vince Bonfanti http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287469 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Railo 2 Released
Sean wrote: Did you actually run the suite of unit tests that comes with Transfer to ensure compatibility or did you just run the tBlog sample app? We're running the CFUnit tests that come with Transfer (so we also had to make sure CFUnit runs on BD). BTW, Transfer will only run on the Java/J2EE versions of BD; it won't run on BD.NET because Transfer relies too much on Java features that aren't support by J# on .NET (such as SoftReferences). Other frameworks we're testing in BD 7.0.1 (in addition to Transfer and CFUnit): ColdSpring, Reactor, and ModelGlue. Frameworks such as FuseBox, Mach-II, and ColdBox are already supported in BD 7.0 (or earlier) releases. We're also have Farcry 4.0.3 working on BD 7.0 (I posted a blog entry about this recently). BTW, I never did get a resolution on why BlueDragon Server build 339 would not install on my MacBook Pro. The installer gets to Configuring... and then just quits :( Sorry to hear that. Did we drop the ball on our end, or did you just give up? Let me know if you decide to try again with BD 7.0.1. Vince Bonfanti http://www.newatlanta.com ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 2 Released
like BlueDragon, it does not support Transfer ORM which is a deal-breaker for me since I use that framework on all of my projects. Hi Sean, Transfer ORM is supported in BD 7.0.1. We're wrapping up testing this week and plan to release a public beta next week. Vince Bonfanti http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287290 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin
Larry Why move at all? I mean, the reason you would upgrade is to get features you dont currently have. Saying you will move to another engine which .. err.. last time I looked, didnt have those features, well, go for it! Here's a possible reason: suppose he needs to deploy on JBoss and JDK 1.6? If he's currently running CFMX7, that configuration isn't supported. This leaves him two options: BD 7.0 or CF8. If price is important to him and he doesn't need the new CF8 features that BD 7.0 doesn't support, then BD 7.0 is a valid choice. Or, here's another possibility: what if what he really needs is not just Java-to-.NET bridging (as provided in CF8), but full integration with ASP.NET such as the ability to do session sharing? In this case, BlueDragon.NET 7.0 is the only choice. There are many new features in CF8 that are already supported by BD 7.0 (or earlier releases). None of these features are in CFMX7, but can be found in both BD 7.0 and CF8: - .NET integration - image processing (CFIMAGE) - query caching with CFQUERYPARAM - CFC serialization (J2EE Session scope clustering) - duplicate() for CFCs - CFC interfaces - multi-threaded programming (CFTHREAD) - per-application mappings - CFZIP/CFZIPPARAM - onMissingTemplate event handler for Application.cfc - Windows Vista / IIS7 support - Mac OS X Intel support - JBoss support - JDK 1.5 and 1.6 support Yes, there are features in CF8 that aren't in BD 7.0; there are also features in BD 7.0 that aren't in CF8. The relevant questions are: which features do you want, and how much do you want to pay? My point is: it's not at all irrational or unreasonable for ATCC or others to choose BD 7.0 over CF8, if BD 7.0 provides a better combination of features and price to meet their needs. ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFEclipse not compatible w/ Eclipse 3.3
Mark, you dirty dog, I told you that was still a secret. ;-) Yes, *if* we were to release a Visual Studio-based CFML editor it will be targeted at .NET developers. However, we're still very interested in Java/JEE and would continue to support CFEclipse (as we did by funding the CFML Language Version selection feature). CFEclipse remains my personal CFML editor of choice, which I use almost daily. Cheers, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com I thought I would mention that (this is not an official statement so you know) BlueDragon seem to be working on their own editor that works in Visual Studio, this makes it less compelling for me to work on BD specific stuff, they are obviously trying to hit the .Net crowd, which I am not. Keep your eyes on the project on the coming months as there will be a lot of stuff that people might like, in the way of integration to Adobe technologies. regards MD ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:282776 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Simultaneous Requests/CF vs ASP.NET for Flash Remoting
1/ Will CF8 have equal or better integration with .NET compared to Bluedragon.Net? No. CF8 is still written in Java, and its .NET integration is done using a Java-to-.NET bridge licensed from a third party. BlueDragon.NET on the other hand is a 100% pure .NET implementation. Compared to BD.NET, the CF8 Java-to-.NET bridge will not perform as well, will have some limitations on the types of .NET objects you can create, and does not integrate with ASP.NET. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: a couple windows to linux, cf to bluedragon problems
Dump the CGI scope and see if there is something you can use instead. Worked around it, thanks. See Section 3.5 of the BlueDragon CFML Compatibility Guide regarding CGI.Path_Info formatted template error. What is that and why? If anyone has this come up, mine was a comment in the middle of a multi-line cfif in the search sql. Maybe bluedragon didn't like that. I'd be interested in seeing the code that failed. Can you email it to me separate? vince[at]newatlanta[dot]com Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278086 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: are J2EE session ids unique?
Yes, according to the J2EE specification, session IDs are supposed to be unique. From the description of the javax.server.http.HttpSession.getID() method: Returns a string containing the unique identifier assigned to this session. The identifier is assigned by the servlet container and is implementation dependent. Because this is implementation dependent the answer to your question how are they created depends on which servlet container you're using. If you're running CFMX/JRun you'll get one answer, if you're running WebSphere or WebLogic or JBoss you'll get different answers. Other than JBoss, which is open source, I doubt the other vendors are going to reveal their algorithms for generating unique session IDs. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC I can't seem to find an answer to this anywhere - are J2EE sessionIDs unique? That is, if I close/open the browser infinitely, am I guaranteed not to duplicate IDs? What are they based on, how are they created? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270453 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Switching to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5 - which version of CF to use?
Your other option is to use the only CFML server engine that's tested, sold, and supported directly by BEA: http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htmFP=/content/products/weblogic/bluedragon/ Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC Hello All, The company i work for currently runs CFMX v. 6 on Weblogic 8.1 / Java 1.4 on Solaris, alongside a number of regular java web apps. We are starting a project to upgrade to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5, and i have been tasked with looking into the question which version of CF should we use? I've done a few Google searches and taken a look around the Adobe site, but i thought i'd ask the members of this site for any input they may have. So far, here's what i have found: The latest version of CF as of this writing - v7 - supports Weblogic 7 and 8. I haven't found any specific page on the adobe site saying CFMX 7 doesn't support Weblogic 9, but the company i work for is *very* conservative: in the absence of a page saying that Weblogic 9.2 is supported, they won't go near it. From various posts here and elsewhere on the list, i understand that some people have been able to run CFMX 7 on Weblogic 9.x with various degrees of success. Beyond the question of Weblogic version, there is the matter of JVM version support. Once again, it would seem that cfmx *can* run (with some limitations) under java 1.5, but that this configuration is not officially supported. The next version of CFMX - v8 - will support java 1.5, but i have not been able to find any information as to whether it will officially support Weblogic 9.x or not. The time line is about right for us: should be released in the middle of this year. Finally, i have found a company - www.eknowlogie.com - which claims to have: ...a software transformation tool to automatically migrate ColdFusion applications to Java J2EE (including ColdFusion 5.0 and MX). The Migrator [sic] will re-architect the original monolithic ColdFusion application into a modular Model-View-Controller (MVC) application framework using Struts and JSP. This sounds a bit like snake oil to me, but if it works it would be a great win for us, since Struts and JSP is how all the other java based web apps around here work. So that's where i'm at for now: 1) Might work with cfmx 7, but not supported. 2) Will most likely work with CFMX 8, but no information of whether it will be officially supported (the Weblogic 9.2 bit, not the java 1.5 bit). 3) Some kind of one time automated migration to regular java web app code. Any thoughts from the list? Comments? Thanks for your time, /t ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270306 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Switching to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5 - which version of CF to use?
A quick follow-up on this. WebLogic 10 is being released at the end of March, and BlueDragon 7.0, BEA WebLogic Edition will be released at the same time. It's the only CFML server that is officially supported by BEA. Vince Your other option is to use the only CFML server engine that's tested, sold, and supported directly by BEA: http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index. htmFP=/content/products/weblogic/bluedragon/ Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC Hello All, The company i work for currently runs CFMX v. 6 on Weblogic 8.1 / Java 1.4 on Solaris, alongside a number of regular java web apps. We are starting a project to upgrade to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5, and i have been tasked with looking into the question which version of CF should we use? I've done a few Google searches and taken a look around the Adobe site, but i thought i'd ask the members of this site for any input they may have. So far, here's what i have found: The latest version of CF as of this writing - v7 - supports Weblogic 7 and 8. I haven't found any specific page on the adobe site saying CFMX 7 doesn't support Weblogic 9, but the company i work for is *very* conservative: in the absence of a page saying that Weblogic 9. 2 is supported, they won't go near it. From various posts here and elsewhere on the list, i understand that some people have been able to run CFMX 7 on Weblogic 9.x with various degrees of success. Beyond the question of Weblogic version, there is the matter of JVM version support. Once again, it would seem that cfmx *can* run (with some limitations) under java 1.5, but that this configuration is not officially supported. The next version of CFMX - v8 - will support java 1.5, but i have not been able to find any information as to whether it will officially support Weblogic 9.x or not. The time line is about right for us: should be released in the middle of this year. Finally, i have found a company - www.eknowlogie.com - which claims to have: ...a software transformation tool to automatically migrate ColdFusion applications to Java J2EE (including ColdFusion 5.0 and MX). The Migrator [sic] will re-architect the original monolithic ColdFusion application into a modular Model-View-Controller (MVC) application framework using Struts and JSP. This sounds a bit like snake oil to me, but if it works it would be a great win for us, since Struts and JSP is how all the other java based web apps around here work. So that's where i'm at for now: 1) Might work with cfmx 7, but not supported. 2) Will most likely work with CFMX 8, but no information of whether it will be officially supported (the Weblogic 9.2 bit, not the java 1.5 bit). 3) Some kind of one time automated migration to regular java web app code. Any thoughts from the list? Comments? Thanks for your time, /t ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270310 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Switching to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5 - which version of CF to use?
RE: ColdFusion was the first CFML engine supported on BEA WebLogic. I'm not sure this is true. If I remember correctly (I could be wrong), the original CFMX 6.0 release was not supported on BEA WebLogic. These release notes seem to indicate that CFMX didn't run on WebLogic until Dec 2002: http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx_j2ee_p2.html I believe that BlueDragon 3.0 was the first CFML engine to run on BEA WebLogic in Sept 2002, several months prior to CFMX: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_3_0_release.jsp But we quibble, since BlueDragon remains the only CFML engine officially supported by BEA (and, in fact, BlueDragon is sold and supported by BEA as a BEA product). Also, I believe that CFMX 7.0.2 still does not support deployment in packed WARs on WebLogic, but requires unpacking into an exploded directory, correct? BlueDragon has supported packed WARs on WebLogic since Sept 2002. Vince ColdFusion has supported BEA WebLogic since 2000. Indeed, ColdFusion was the first CFML engine supported on BEA WebLogic, and we remain committed to the platform (as do many very high profile customers who run ColdFusion on WebLogic). The current version (CFMX7) supports WebLogic 7 and 8.1. And yes, WebLogic 9.2 support is indeed planned for ColdFusion Scorpio (aka CF8). --- Ben -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Switching to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5 - which version of CF to use? Your other option is to use the only CFML server engine that's tested, sold, and supported directly by BEA: http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index. htmFP=/content/products/weblogic/bluedragon/ Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC Hello All, The company i work for currently runs CFMX v. 6 on Weblogic 8.1 / Java 1.4 on Solaris, alongside a number of regular java web apps. We are starting a project to upgrade to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5, and i have been tasked with looking into the question which version of CF should we use? I've done a few Google searches and taken a look around the Adobe site, but i thought i'd ask the members of this site for any input they may have. So far, here's what i have found: The latest version of CF as of this writing - v7 - supports Weblogic 7 and 8. I haven't found any specific page on the adobe site saying CFMX 7 doesn't support Weblogic 9, but the company i work for is *very* conservative: in the absence of a page saying that Weblogic 9. 2 is supported, they won't go near it. From various posts here and elsewhere on the list, i understand that some people have been able to run CFMX 7 on Weblogic 9.x with various degrees of success. Beyond the question of Weblogic version, there is the matter of JVM version support. Once again, it would seem that cfmx *can* run (with some limitations) under java 1.5, but that this configuration is not officially supported. The next version of CFMX - v8 - will support java 1.5, but i have not been able to find any information as to whether it will officially support Weblogic 9.x or not. The time line is about right for us: should be released in the middle of this year. Finally, i have found a company - www.eknowlogie.com - which claims to have: ...a software transformation tool to automatically migrate ColdFusion applications to Java J2EE (including ColdFusion 5.0 and MX). The Migrator [sic] will re-architect the original monolithic ColdFusion application into a modular Model-View-Controller (MVC) application framework using Struts and JSP. This sounds a bit like snake oil to me, but if it works it would be a great win for us, since Struts and JSP is how all the other java based web apps around here work. So that's where i'm at for now: 1) Might work with cfmx 7, but not supported. 2) Will most likely work with CFMX 8, but no information of whether it will be officially supported (the Weblogic 9.2 bit, not the java 1.5 bit). 3) Some kind of one time automated migration to regular java web app code. Any thoughts from the list? Comments? Thanks for your time, /t ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270326 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Switching to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5 - which version of CF to use?
Hi Rick, I think the differences are: 1) BlueDragon is tested and certified by BEA's quality assurance (QA) test team; CFMX is not. The BEA QA testers and technical support staff are trained on BlueDragon; they're not trained on CFMX. 2) When you have a problem or question with BlueDragon on WebLogic, you have one place to go: BEA tech support. There's a formal communication channel in place between BEA and New Atlanta tech support for resolving integration issues. 3) When you have a problem or question with CFMX on WebLogic, you first have to figure out if it's a CFMX problem or a WebLogic problem, then contact either Adobe or BEA as appropriate. There's no formal communication channel in place between BEA and Adobe tech support for resolving integration issues. 4) New Atlanta has direct access to BEA WebLogic engineers to assist during product development, which is one reason we're able to support packed WARs, and is why BlueDragon will support WebLogic 10 as soon as it ships next month (while CFMX is only adding support for WebLogic 9.2 in Scorpio sometime later in 2007, more than two full years after BlueDragon supported WebLogic 9.0). There are real, tangible differences in the two produce offerings. Vince On 2/21/07, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we quibble, since BlueDragon remains the only CFML engine officially supported by BEA (and, in fact, BlueDragon is sold and supported by BEA as a BEA product). I hate these arguments. As long as CFMX is officially supported on BEA by ADOBE, that's good enough for me. I think it's also nice that Bluedragon is officially supported by BEA. Of course, as a CFMX user, I'd prefer to get my support from the authors of the software, not the vendors of the platform. I like bluedragon, I really do... but the fact that it's supported and sold by BEA is no different, in my opinion, than the fact that Adobe OFFICIALLY SUPPORTS and SELLS CFMX for use on BEA. Adobe has people trained to support CFMX on BEA. BEA has people trained to support Bluedragon on BEA. Rick ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270332 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Switching to Weblogic 9.2 on Java 1.5 - which version of CF to use?
produce offerings? Of course, these are software products, not fruit and vegetables. :-) Hi Rick, I think the differences are: 1) BlueDragon is tested and certified by BEA's quality assurance (QA) test team; CFMX is not. The BEA QA testers and technical support staff are trained on BlueDragon; they're not trained on CFMX. 2) When you have a problem or question with BlueDragon on WebLogic, you have one place to go: BEA tech support. There's a formal communication channel in place between BEA and New Atlanta tech support for resolving integration issues. 3) When you have a problem or question with CFMX on WebLogic, you first have to figure out if it's a CFMX problem or a WebLogic problem, then contact either Adobe or BEA as appropriate. There's no formal communication channel in place between BEA and Adobe tech support for resolving integration issues. 4) New Atlanta has direct access to BEA WebLogic engineers to assist during product development, which is one reason we're able to support packed WARs, and is why BlueDragon will support WebLogic 10 as soon as it ships next month (while CFMX is only adding support for WebLogic 9. 2 in Scorpio sometime later in 2007, more than two full years after BlueDragon supported WebLogic 9.0). There are real, tangible differences in the two produce offerings. Vince On 2/21/07, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we quibble, since BlueDragon remains the only CFML engine officially supported by BEA (and, in fact, BlueDragon is sold and supported by BEA as a BEA product). I hate these arguments. As long as CFMX is officially supported on BEA by ADOBE, that's good enough for me. I think it's also nice that Bluedragon is officially supported by BEA. Of course, as a CFMX user, I'd prefer to get my support from the authors of the software, not the vendors of the platform. I like bluedragon, I really do... but the fact that it's supported and sold by BEA is no different, in my opinion, than the fact that Adobe OFFICIALLY SUPPORTS and SELLS CFMX for use on BEA. Adobe has people trained to support CFMX on BEA. BEA has people trained to support Bluedragon on BEA. Rick ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270333 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF 7 Enterprise on Windows 2003 Standard
Since you're an MS house, you may also want to look at BlueDragon.NET, which is a ColdFusion-compatible server implemented in 100% .NET, which gives you great integration with IIS, ASP.NET, and SQL Server: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC Fantastic, appreciate it. We're an MS house looking to explore CF on a new server. Going to be fun. Jason E.J. Manaigre Web Site Development Coordinator | Web God International Institute for Sustainable Development Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Main Web site: http://www.iisd.org Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: 1.204.958.7744 -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 13, 2006 4:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF 7 Enterprise on Windows 2003 Standard Hi everyone, man I'm bound to get blasted, but I need to confirm you can install CF7 Enterprise on Windows 2003 Server Standard? Yes, you can. Keep in mind that IIS 6 is not a default component with Standard, though - you'll have to explicitly choose that during Windows setup, or you can install it later using the Add/Remove Windows Components section of the Add and Remove Programs dialog. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263999 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
BlueDragon 7.0 beta1 released
New Atlanta is pleased to announce that the first public beta of BlueDragon 7.0 is now available for download: http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon-beta/download/home The final BlueDragon 7.0 documentation isn't complete, so be sure to read the What's New in BlueDragon 7.0 document for a description of new features: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/7_0/BlueDragon_70_Whats_New.pdf Please provide beta feedback on the BlueDragon-Interest mailing list: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/archive_search/index.cfm We're very excited about BlueDragon 7.0 release as it introduces several important new CFML programming language features that are not available on any other CFML server. Here's a list of new features in BlueDragon 7.0: - multi-threaded programming via CFTHREAD and CFJOIN - interfaces and abstract CFCs - null keyword and IsNull function - return null from CFC methods to match any CFC type - check for null database values - CFQUERY enhancements: - CACHEDUNTILCHANGE attribute (BD.NET and SQL Server 2005 only) - BACKGROUND attribute for background SQL processing - Application.cfc with enhancements: - onClientStart event handler - onMissingTemplate event handler - CFDOCUMENT with enhancements: - PNG and JPEG output formats (great for creating thumbnails) - (not available on FREE BlueDragon Server edition) - CFCHART with enhancements: - CFCHARTLEGEND - CFCHARTTITLE - CFCHARTIMAGE - CFSEARCH enhancements: - support for multiple languages - support for Word and PDF documents - CFTIMER - SOAP-related functions - support for MySQL 5.0, including stored procedures - miscellaneous minor CFMX 7.0 compatible enhancements - performance enhancements - bug fixes For completeness, here are the major new CFMX 7.0 features that are not supported in BlueDragon 7.0: - event gateways - Flash forms - reporting services Again, be sure to read the What's New in BlueDragon 7.0 document for details on all of these features. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:254590 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Excessive Memory Usage CFMX 7 Standard Windows 2003 resulting in Crash
Hi Ken, I certainly understand your position. But there are other issues to consider when calculating costs. For example, earlier this year HealthGrades (www.healthgrades.com) was suffering from similar performance and reliability issues. Then they replaced 14 CFMX7 servers with 4 BlueDragon.NET servers (same hardware). The hardware savings of 10 servers helped offset the cost of the Bluedragon.NET software; while more difficult to measure, they've also experienced operational savings due to the increased reliability of their servers. Let me know if you'd like to take this discussion offline, or have someone call you with more info. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC It might possibly have been an option before the money was spent, but I'm not a fan of doubling up on costs. I'd rather try to fix or get a fix for what I've already spent money to buy. Thanks, Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Excessive Memory Usage CFMX 7 Standard Windows 2003 resulting in Crash Tom, Dan, Since you're both running Windows 2003 and SQL Server, is BlueDragon.NET an option to consider? http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Excessive Memory Usage CFMX 7 Standard Windows 2003 resulting in Crash
Tom, Dan, Since you're both running Windows 2003 and SQL Server, is BlueDragon.NET an option to consider? http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC Hi Daniel, Pretty much everyone running CF/Windows/SQL Server has this problem. See my page here http://www.digitalmethod.co.uk/cf/ There is no guaranteed fix other than to have an alert system in place to monitor memory usage and restart when it gets over 90% or so. Don't waste time playing with garbage collection - you also might do more harm than good. The only settings you might want to consider playing with are the SQL connections settings - the method (cursor or direct), the max number of connections and maintain connections. I've seen people mediate the problem reasonably well by splitting DSN's into two - one cursor connection that doesn't maintain connections and one direct with maintained connections for smaller queries. When the system goes into the state you describe it's often quicker to restart the server than wait for CF to restart (sometimes it never does). Tom Peer Digital Method We have had the following issue with Macromedia ColdFusion 7 (7.0.1. 116466), running on windows 2003, which we have not been able to reolve, and cannot see really where to start! - At 00:30 on 09/09/2006 we rebooted our server. - All sites hosted on the server were tested following reboot, and were operating normally - At 11:26 all http requests to ColdFusion sites started timing out (taking longer than 30secs) The following pair of errors were logged (multiple times) within the ColdFusion exception log: *Error 1* Error,jrpp-228,*Date*,*time*,*CF Application Name*,Error attempting to resolve the template error.cfm.The template could not be found. The specific sequence of files included or processed is: *PhysicalPath*\public\index.cfm, line: 176 coldfusion.tagext.lang.ErrorTag$InvalidErrorTemplateException: Error attempting to resolve the template error.cfm. *Error 2* Error,jrpp-228,* Date*,*time*,,Not enough storage is available to process this command The specific sequence of files included or processed is: E:\CFusionMX 7\wwwroot\WEB-INF\exception\coldfusion\runtime\MissingIncludeException. cfm java.io.IOException: Not enough storage is available to process this command No requests were logged within the IIS log files until: - From 13:26 all http requests to ColdFusion sites resulted in the following error: *Server Error* The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request *JRun closed connection. *These requests were logged in the IIS log files. - From 14:56 all http requests to ColdFusion sites resulted in the following error: *Server Error* Either the Macromedia application server is unreachable or it does not have a mapping to process this request.* *These requests were logged in the IIS log files. - When we connected to the server on Monday morning (12/09) CPU usage for JRun was minimal, but Memory usage was at 1.4 Gb, and increasing (this is on a server with 2Gb RAM, also running MS SQL Server) - We attempted to restart ColdFusion ? eventually CF service stopped (after about 5 min) and once stopped, we started the service again without any problems. All sites were tested, and found to be running normally. - The server was rebooted again at 02:40 on 16/09, and again showed pretty much the same symptoms as before (although this time with no errors reported within the CF exception log) - I had increased the max JVM heap size from 512 MB to 1024 MB following the previous crash ? which may have prevented the java.io.IOException: Not enough storage is available to process this command errors. - This is now the third time we have had this occur ? (although I did not record full details for the first time ? and cannot be certain that this was following a reboot). - This has only happened at times when the server is not handling much traffic ? previously to experiencing these problems, the server had been hosting an online competition, handling around 30 simultaneous users during busy periods, and never having a window of more than 20 minutes inactivity. This did make me wonder if it might be an issue with the Garbage Collection Process? Has anyone Experienced this problem, or got any ideas as to how to resolve
Re: Low-tech asychronous call to ColdFusion
Cool--you guys are good! Then it should only take you another day to implement abstract CFCs and CFC interfaces (both fully supported--not open source projects--in BD 7.0). And adding support for the null keyword and IsNull function (more BD 7.0 features) could probably be done before lunch; after lunch you can add the onClientStart and onMissingTemplate handlers to Application.cfc (yet more BD 7.0 enhancements). Maybe someone else could hack out the CFIMAGE and CFIMAP tags (currently in BD 6.2.1) over the weekend? Since you only have to worry about implementing in Java (and not both Java and .NET, like BD), it shouldn't be too hard. Cheers, Vince Yeah, we did cfthread tag in about a day...we're debating whether to toss it out there as an open source project... Damon Hmmm...sounds like a perfect use of the new CFTHREAD tag in BD 7.0: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index. cfm?mode=entryentry=152A1ECC-B7C2-5C0D-4269B203A722C055 Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC I am aware (somewhat!) of the asynchronous Web services capability with CFCs in ColdFusion. What would listers recommend if I simply want to call a ColdFusion action page asynchronously. The asychronous call is a one-way trip and does not require data back to the caller. Here's the scenario briefly: I have a sign-up form that calls an action page, but the action page does a lot of heavy lifting with numerous queries and loops. The page takes about 15 seconds to run, the result of which is an autogenerated e-mail link with an autologin to an application environment. I echo back an acknowledgement page immediately while processing continues on the action page. What I have will work since the thread will continue to run even if the user click away from the page, but I would prefer that the thread would run asychronously and not appear to be tying up the page. I would prefer to not go the CFC route, but I am open to persuasion. Thanks. Paul Fraser ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246954 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Low-tech asychronous call to ColdFusion
First, my apologies for the snooty tone of my previous message (I somehow can't seem to avoid shooting myself in the foot in public--it must be a personality flaw). To answer your question: no, BD 7.0 has not been released publicly yet. The public beta is planned to begin soon, as announced at CFUNITED (and on my blog just prior to that). I'll post a short, polite message to this list when the beta is available for download. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC I had no idea BD 7 was already released. The latest I can find on your site is 6.2.1. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246997 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Low-tech asychronous call to ColdFusion
Hmmm...sounds like a perfect use of the new CFTHREAD tag in BD 7.0: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=152A1ECC-B7C2-5C0D-4269B203A722C055 Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC I am aware (somewhat!) of the asynchronous Web services capability with CFCs in ColdFusion. What would listers recommend if I simply want to call a ColdFusion action page asynchronously. The asychronous call is a one-way trip and does not require data back to the caller. Here's the scenario briefly: I have a sign-up form that calls an action page, but the action page does a lot of heavy lifting with numerous queries and loops. The page takes about 15 seconds to run, the result of which is an autogenerated e-mail link with an autologin to an application environment. I echo back an acknowledgement page immediately while processing continues on the action page. What I have will work since the thread will continue to run even if the user click away from the page, but I would prefer that the thread would run asychronously and not appear to be tying up the page. I would prefer to not go the CFC route, but I am open to persuasion. Thanks. Paul Fraser Minneapolis ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246823 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software amp; Servers
I would strongly disagree that there's no point in Bluedragon.NET except as a stepping stone to get off of ColdFusion to go to .NET. Is CFMX just a stepping stone to get off ColdFusion to go to JSP/Java/J2EE? Of course not. Macromedia completely rewrote CFMX because Java/J2EE is a better platform than the C/C++ codebase of CF 1.0 through CF5, whether you choose to use the Java/J2EE integration features or not. We wrote BlueDragon.NET because .NET is a better platform than Java/J2EE on Windows, whether you choose to use the .NET integration features or not. See this blog entry for an elaboration: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=C7ED7F00-8772-14C6-68A1F97022CAA85B The fact that .NET works better on Windows than Java/J2EE should be plainly obvious to anyone. That's why MySpace chose BlueDragon.NET: because it provides better performance and reliability than a Java/J2EE-based solution on Windows, which is their preferred platform (and, yes, they did try CFMX before looking at BlueDragon). And, yes, they've chosen to integrate their CFML with .NET and have migrated some portions of the web site to .NET where maximum performance is absolutely critical, but they remain heavily committed to and invested in CFML via BlueDragon.NET, currently running several hundred BlueDragon.NET servers and growing, and continuing to add new features implemented in CFML. Here's another example: www.healthgrades.com was experiencing severe performance and reliability problems running on CFMX7. They replaced 14 CFMX7 servers with 4 BlueDragon.NET servers in February of this year (2006) and haven't had any problems since. They're committed to continuing to run 100% CFML on BlueDragon.NET and have no plans to migrate any portions of the site to .NET. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:245951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
BEA licenses BlueDragon for WebLogic
BEA has announced that they've licensed BlueDragon to resell with their WebLogic J2EE server. The rebranded, BlueDragon, BEA WebLogic Edition is being sold and supported by BEA as a BEA product. Links to press releases and additional details are on my blog: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237928 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: BEA licenses BlueDragon for WebLogic
Good question--I guess I should have put more detail in my original message. From the BEA press release: BlueDragon is designed to help enable customers to modernize and extend legacy ColdFusion Markup Language (CFML) applications to run on BEA WebLogic Server, which can thereby allow companies to reuse existing technology to help meet evolving business needs. If you're looking to run CFML applications on BEA WebLogic, you can now buy a solution directly from BEA. Some people might also find it significant that BEA is now essentially a competitor to Adobe in a portion of the ColdFusion server market (that portion being people who are now or are planning to redeploy existing CFML applications onto WebLogic servers). Vince -Original Message- From: Rastafari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BEA licenses BlueDragon for WebLogic what does this have to do with coldfusion? just wondering? On 4/17/06, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BEA has announced that they've licensed BlueDragon to resell with their WebLogic J2EE server. The rebranded, BlueDragon, BEA WebLogic Edition is being sold and supported by BEA as a BEA product. Links to press releases and additional details are on my blog: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237933 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
If you refer back to the WebORB architecture diagram, it supports XML Web Services: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm So to the extent that your CFCs are exposed as web services, it appears you could invoke CFCs on another server via web services (and probably even invoke CFCs running on CFMX locally this way). I've never tried this, though, so you'd need to ask the WebORB developers to be sure. Vince -Original Message- From: wolf2k5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs On 8/15/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Does that mean that WebORB only supports calls to CFCs on the same server? If so, that looks a big limitation IMHO. Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215143 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting and BlueDragon (was: bg myspace)
Hi Dave, No problem. I'm told I'm way too defensive on that topic, so I'm sure any misinterpretation of your comments is my fault. Regarding Flash Remoting on BD, WebORB comes in both Java and .NET versions and supports Flash Remoting on BlueDragon (both Java/J2EE and .NET editions), in addition to JavaScript/AJAX clients discussed on another thread. Here's a live demo of Flash Remoting invoking CFCs on BD.NET via WebORB: http://blog.newatlanta.com/weborb/examples/richclientprimer/flash/flash-phon ebook-bluedragon.cfm WebORB 2.0 is currently in beta and can be downloaded here: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm I don't think pricing for WebORB has been announced yet. Be sure to talk to me about pricing if you decide to deploy WebORB with BD. Vince -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace thanks! I'm not against you Vince, sorry if I came off that way. I just remembered some comments I saw about why or why not you weren't responding to the questions and had forgotten until I saw your name today, so I thought I would repost the ?. I use myspace as a very good business tool and myself was curious to what parts were in fact bd so I could keep a concious look out for improvement. I hate micro$oft not New Atlanta ;) I actually have a site (just bought domain name 5 minutes ago) that I was thinking of using BD on. But now thinking about it I will be using flash remoting on it and I am not interested in the java one that is on other current thread and I am assuming BD doesn't have that. Guess I'm buying a dedicated server, anyone interested in going in on one with me at hms? James? ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215147 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
WebORB uses proprietary internal BlueDragon APIs to invoke CFCs directly (we worked very closely with the WebORB developers to make this work). I suppose it could be made to work with CFMX in a similar manner, but so far the WebORB developers have chosen not to do so. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Grosset [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs Very impressive demo, I found it here: http://blog.newatlanta.com/weborb/examples/richclientprimer/ja vascript-ajax/phonebook-bluedragon.cfm curious as to why it can't be made to work under CFMX? !! :) Andrew WebORB 2.0 is a commercial product that includes a JavaScript/AJAX library that lets you invoke CFCs (and other server-side objects and services) from JavaScript: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm CFC support only works with BlueDragon, not CFMX. BlueDragon is not required to invoke other server-side objects and services (Java objects, .NET objects, web services, etc.). WebORB also enables Flash Remoting for BlueDragon. There are live demos of WebORB on my blog: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=A49151F 3-CC13-10D 9-CF9 78A54402ECFEE Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214966 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
Jim, The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services to invoke CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via BlueDragon's internal APIs. Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of BlueDragon. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or any other server language). It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript sends data to ColdFusion, ColdFusion sends a response back, JavaScript updates the page. My guess (nothing more) is that it the same problem that other SOAP implementations have: they don't like each other. MS implementations work great with .NET service but bomb on CFMX services for example. CF implementations work great in some places and blow up in others... In my experience these problems, once dug out, are pretty small - but that doesn't matter because it seems the implementers don't really care all that much - it works for what they want it to work with and everybody else can just toe the line or use something else. It's also very likely (because SOAP isn't all that simple) that they're using some off-the-shelf implementation inside this thing. And if that implementation doesn't support CF SOAP/WSDL then this thing won't. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214967 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
I think it helps to understand the WebORB architecture, which is best explained on their web site: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm WebORB is first of all a server (its full name is WebORB Presentation Server) that acts as a gateway or broker that allows rich clients (Flash or JavaScript/AJAX) to invoke server-side objects. In the case of JavaScript/AJAX, WebORB allows clients to use a single protocol--implemented by the WebORB Rich Client System--to invoke a variety of server-side objects. Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Vince, Have there been any specific reasons you know of for taking such a proprietary approach or was it mainly aimed towards best performance because of its close integration? Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 -- -- -- -- - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl -- -- -- -- - -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 15 augustus 2005 13:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Jim, The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services to invoke CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via BlueDragon's internal APIs. Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of BlueDragon. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or any other server language). It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript sends data to ColdFusion, ColdFusion sends a response back, JavaScript updates the page. My guess (nothing more) is that it the same problem that other SOAP implementations have: they don't like each other. MS implementations work great with .NET service but bomb on CFMX services for example. CF implementations work great in some places and blow up in others... In my experience these problems, once dug out, are pretty small - but that doesn't matter because it seems the implementers don't really care all that much - it works for what they want it to work with and everybody else can just toe the line or use something else. It's also very likely (because SOAP isn't all that simple) that they're using some off-the-shelf implementation inside this thing. And if that implementation doesn't support CF SOAP/WSDL then this thing won't. Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214973 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
WebORB performs that same function as CF's built-in Flash gateway, except that it does it for both Flash and JavaScript/AJAX clients, and supports a variety of server-side objects other than just CFCs (see their architecture diagram that I provide a link to below). Vince -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I'm a little foggy on why I'd call a middle tier like WebORB to handle my web service calls when I can easily use CF's built in Flash gateway or open source AMF-based alternatives? Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 15, 2005 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I think it helps to understand the WebORB architecture, which is best explained on their web site: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm WebORB is first of all a server (its full name is WebORB Presentation Server) that acts as a gateway or broker that allows rich clients (Flash or JavaScript/AJAX) to invoke server-side objects. In the case of JavaScript/AJAX, WebORB allows clients to use a single protocol--implemented by the WebORB Rich Client System--to invoke a variety of server-side objects. Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Vince, Have there been any specific reasons you know of for taking such a proprietary approach or was it mainly aimed towards best performance because of its close integration? Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 -- -- -- -- - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl -- -- -- -- - -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 15 augustus 2005 13:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Jim, The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services to invoke CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via BlueDragon's internal APIs. Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of BlueDragon. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or any other server language). It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript sends data to ColdFusion, ColdFusion sends a response back, JavaScript updates the page. My guess (nothing more) is that it the same problem that other SOAP implementations have: they don't like each other. MS implementations work great with .NET service but bomb on CFMX services for example. CF implementations work great in some places and blow up in others... In my experience these problems, once dug out, are pretty small - but that doesn't matter because it seems the implementers don't really care all that much - it works for what they want it to work with and everybody else can just toe the line or use something else. It's also very likely (because SOAP isn't all that simple) that they're using some off-the-shelf implementation inside this thing. And if that implementation doesn't support CF SOAP/WSDL then this thing won't. Jim Davis
RE: Ajax and CFCs
CF's built-in Flash gateway *is* a middle tier, just like WebORB. And, no, you probably wouldn't want to use WebORB to invoke CFCs on CFMX (assuming it's even possible). Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I agree, it seems like the performance would be much better to invoke the calls directly from the application server, especially as the application and the client already natively understand each other... -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I'm a little foggy on why I'd call a middle tier like WebORB to handle my web service calls when I can easily use CF's built in Flash gateway or open source AMF-based alternatives? Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 15, 2005 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I think it helps to understand the WebORB architecture, which is best explained on their web site: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm WebORB is first of all a server (its full name is WebORB Presentation Server) that acts as a gateway or broker that allows rich clients (Flash or JavaScript/AJAX) to invoke server-side objects. In the case of JavaScript/AJAX, WebORB allows clients to use a single protocol--implemented by the WebORB Rich Client System--to invoke a variety of server-side objects. Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Vince, Have there been any specific reasons you know of for taking such a proprietary approach or was it mainly aimed towards best performance because of its close integration? Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 -- -- -- -- - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl -- -- -- -- - -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 15 augustus 2005 13:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Jim, The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services to invoke CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via BlueDragon's internal APIs. Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of BlueDragon. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or any other server language). It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript sends data to ColdFusion, ColdFusion sends a response back, JavaScript updates the page. My guess (nothing more) is that it the same problem that other SOAP implementations have: they don't like each other. MS implementations work great with .NET service but bomb on CFMX services for example. CF implementations work great in some places and blow up in others... In my experience these problems, once dug out, are pretty small - but that doesn't matter because it seems the implementers don't really care all that much - it works for what they want it to work with and everybody else can just toe the line or use something else
RE: Ajax and CFCs
Thanks, Jim. That's exactly what WebORB does--makes it easy to handle structured data return from a CFC within your JavaScript. Take a look again at the example on my blog (the JavaScript source code is all there) and see how easy it is to process a query variable returned from a CFC: http://blog.newatlanta.com/weborb/examples/richclientprimer/javascript-ajax/ phonebook-bluedragon.cfm WebORB makes handling the other CFML complex types (arrays and structs) just as easy. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I feel like the point has been lost here. There are two issues at question: 1) Accessing (connecting, consuming, whatever) web services via the client (presumably via JavaScript). 2) Passing structured data once you access them. EVERYTHING can do the first. It's easy to call CFCs (whether on CF or BD), ..NET services, etc using the client. Simple. You can pass structured form fields (which is what CFAJAX and it looks like WebOrb does). It's the second bit that gets confusing as hell. There are lots of options to do this and all essentially do the same thing: convert structured data to text and back. It's a shame however that there's not more cross-platform support for SOMETHING. JSON has a lot of support, but it's relatively weak (it has no concept of data typing for example) compared to others. WDDX still works... but it's been YEARS since it's had any sort of work done on it. People don't want to use 5 year old Objects for mission-critical stuff. There are dozens if not hundreds of custom solutions using structured form fields. Many of these return raw JavaScript code (CFAJAX and CFWDDX do this) instead of truly allowing the client to parse the information. SOAP was supposed to be the way to go, the wave of the future - but the client-side support is pitiful and buggy as hell when it comes to cross-platform consumption. I can find a JS libraries that support single servers, but nothing general because each server absolutely knows that's it's way of describing data is the best and only way. So you're stuck with a nice easy way in JavaScript to get a blob of text from a server but very little to help you from that point on - especially if you don't want to be tied to a single server. Jim Davis ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215043 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
I don't know anything at all about JSON, so I can't comment. But, I think WebORB does exactly the same thing for invoking Java objects, ..NET objects, web services, etc. as it does for CFCs; it converts the complex types into something that's easily and consistently managed by your JavaScript. You really should take a look at it. Vince -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Thanks, Jim. That's exactly what WebORB does--makes it easy to handle structured data return from a CFC within your JavaScript. Take a look again at the example on my blog (the JavaScript source code is all there) and see how easy it is to process a query variable returned from a CFC: http://blog.newatlanta.com/weborb/examples/richclientprimer/javascript - ajax/ phonebook-bluedragon.cfm WebORB makes handling the other CFML complex types (arrays and structs) just as easy. Yup - for CF types. And that's not even remotely a bad thing. CFAjax works wonderfully in the same scenario as well. If you can control both the client and the server any number of solutions will work great. It's when you want a client-side application to accept data from a CFC, a ..NET service, a PERL service and a Java service that things start to get ridiculous. JSON works across implementations (Java, PERL, Python, JavaScript, CF, etc) because its implementation is so very, very simple. But it lacks all support for non-native JS objects and doesn't actually support many native objects (like Dates). We're down to the point where if you want something cross platform you're stuck with non-trivial task of writing it yourself or accepting severe compromises... and this far into the game it seems ridiculous that this should be the case. Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215051 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our announcement. Why would you think otherwise? Vince -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: bg myspace Vince, I am in no way trying to biff you or anything but I have yet to see any sort of responce to the questions about MySpace and their use of BlueDragon after we were told that it was alreay running BG but they really weren't. I know there were quite a few people on here that were waiting for an answer from you. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215074 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Sean's statement that MySpace is not (running) BlueDragon is blatantly, factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the wrap-around URLs): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=764C1F4A-89D7-A61A-F9F 71128027172A7 Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a link to the original PowerPoint presentation: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DCE930CB-C4BB-BCD4-66A E12F14C9315A7 Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is referring: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116 Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials. Vince -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace still using CF 5: http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CA B-F397-B096-2B39932484397145 MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our announcement. Why would you think otherwise? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215079 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Right. And where is that inconsistent with anything that was said in any of the other references I gave? When did I or anyone at New Atlanta say the entire MySpace web server farm has already been migrated to BD.NET? Here are some quotes, starting with the original press release: MySpace is switching to BlueDragon.NET to improve the performance and reliability... New Atlanta has just announced that MySpace.com, the world's busiest ColdFusion-based web site, is switching to BlueDragon.NET... At the Friday keynote session at CFUNITED-05, Peter Amiri, Director of Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and entertaining presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons why the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET... And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk: In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:4/threadid:40946# 210707 Note the quotes, ...is switching to... and ...is being migrated to The fact is that the contract had been signed, the commitment had been made, and the switch to BlueDragon.NET had already started at the time of our announcement (and is continuing). Our message has been entirely truthful and consistent from the very beginning. There are some people who want to distort our message and discredit MySpace and New Atlanta, and have from the very moment our announcement was made. There's nothing I can do about that. Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace I think this is the relevant part: That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running CF5--it's going to take several weeks (months, maybe) to convert the entire site. The problems you're seeing are due to CF5 and are the reason the site it being upgraded to BD.NET. You'll know the upgrade to BD.NET is complete when these problems go away. Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 9:37 AM -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace Sean's statement that MySpace is not (running) BlueDragon is blatantly, factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the wrap-around URLs): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=764C1F4A -89D7-A61A-F9F 71128027172A7 Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a link to the original PowerPoint presentation: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DCE930CB -C4BB-BCD4-66A E12F14C9315A7 Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is referring: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116 Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials. Vince -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace still using CF 5: http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CA B-F397-B096-2B39932484397145 MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our announcement. Why would you think otherwise? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215093 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
No one from New Atlanta ever said that. The only people who say we said that are people who wish to discredit us. Vince -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace I think people were upset because it was said that myspace had been completely running on bd for several months and that was taken as the whole site not a few pages here and there. I see the search pages are now .net any others? Again Vince I am not trying to do anything other than get correct info. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215094 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
a few pages here and there?! MySpace is serving 7.5 *billion* page views per month. Their web server farm consists of several *hundred* servers. Those are numbers that some people seem simply unable to comprehend. Heck, just the servers running BD.NET (still the minority on MySpace) are probably serving more web pages per day than any other CFML site on the internet. Cutting over that many serves from CF5 to BD.NET isn't going to happen overnight (nor would it happen overnight if they had chosen to go from CF5 to CFMX). It's happening in an orderly, planned, carefully managed process. In spite of attempts of some people to discredit MySpace by characterizing them as cowboys, they do in fact know what they're doing (and the people who refer to MySpace as cowboys are clueless and simply don't know what they're talking about--they haven't the faintest idea of what it means to build a site that's even 1% the size of MySpace). Vince -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace I think people were upset because it was said that myspace had been completely running on bd for several months and that was taken as the whole site not a few pages here and there. I see the search pages are now .net any others? Again Vince I am not trying to do anything other than get correct info. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215109 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
OK, sorry, I'll try to tone down the huffy, puffy part. The pages running on BlueDragon.NET are all .cfm pages, just as would be running on CF5. So you can't tell which pages are running CF5 and which are running BD.NET just by looking at the file extension (in fact, there's no way for you to tell at all, which is sort of the point of BD.NET). They have several hundred web servers in their server farm. Some are running CF5 and some are running BD.NET. As each week goes by, less are running CF5 and more are running BD.NET. Eventually, all will be running BD.NET. Does that answer your question? Vince -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace yeah a few pages here and there and your answer, well wasnt an answer. my ? refered to what sections it was, i see 1 page running .net (browse), not how many pages myspace serves up a day. dang you are gettin all huffy puffy and we are just curious. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215112 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
WebORB 2.0 is a commercial product that includes a JavaScript/AJAX library that lets you invoke CFCs (and other server-side objects and services) from JavaScript: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm CFC support only works with BlueDragon, not CFMX. BlueDragon is not required to invoke other server-side objects and services (Java objects, .NET objects, web services, etc.). WebORB also enables Flash Remoting for BlueDragon. There are live demos of WebORB on my blog: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=A49151F3-CC13-10D9-CF9 78A54402ECFEE Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: wolf2k5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Ajax and CFCs Hi, Do you know any example on how to integrate an AJAX web interface with ColdFusion Components? Do you know any good AJAX client/server library with ColdFusion support? Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214954 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
MySpace did evaluate CFMX, before BlueDragon even, and found that CFMX performance and stability didn't match BlueDragon.NET. If you're at CFUNITED, come to the New Atlanta/MySpace keynote address this Friday afternoon. Peter Amiri, Director of Technical Operations for MySpace, will talk in more detail about their decision to go with BlueDragon. BTW, there are many other companies who have been evaluating and deploying BlueDragon.NET over the past few months. All consistently tell us that the performance and reliability are better than CFMX in real-world applications. In fact, the very first customer to deploy on BlueDragon.NET switched from CFMX. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison. Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer On 6/28/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says CFML isn't viable! Woohoo! The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX. This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that their BlueDragon product-line is a more-than-viable (dare I say better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server. Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog http://blog.newatlanta.com Congratulations New Atlanta! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210723 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
All of their tests were done using the exact same CFML code in their production environment. These were real world tests--as real as it gets--these were not lab benchmarks. (Nobody has a lab that can generate the kind of traffic they get in production). Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon I don't think it's flaweddepending upon interpretation. They said that BD ran significantly faster than CF 5. They also said that it showed better stability and performance than CFMX. That last part is what's subject to interpretation. My interpretation is that they evaluated CFMX (and BD) before deciding upon BD based upon the fact that it showed better stability and performance. I'm further inferring that the code used to test/compare was similar...otherwise you're right, and it's not necessarily a fair/valid comparison. Maybe Vince or somebody from NA (if they're at liberty to do so) can further elaborate on how MySpace.com came to the conclusions that BD was the better/more stable product. On 6/28/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand that one either. Did they switch from 5 to BD or from MX to BD? Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the coding itself. I'm not saying that BD doesn't offer a better product than MM or that myspace isn't loving it, I'm just saying that the way it was presented seems flawed. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison. Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer On 6/28/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says CFML isn't viable! Woohoo! The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX. This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that their BlueDragon product-line is a more-than-viable (dare I say better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server. Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog http://blog.newatlanta.com Congratulations New Atlanta! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210726 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
Anyone can write a lab benchmark to get any result they want. That's why you should never trust lab benchmarks, especially from vendors (even New Atlanta, which is why we never publish any). The MySpace testing was all done on real-world code in their real-world production environment. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon Did they switch from 5 to BD or from MX to BD? I would assume that they setup test servers for both MX and BD Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the coding itself I agree, performance too. I *assume* that for a benchmark test they would have written some decent code and then used that, as well as testing their existing site... I have heard reports from a guy that writes very tight code that his system runs slower on bd.net than CFMX reliable performance stats are very hard to nail down... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210727 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
According to comScore Media Metrix (see the link Rey offers below), the top five in May 2005 are: 1. Yahoo 2. MSN 3. AOL 4. eBay 5. MySpace The comScore Media Metrix report is used to set advertising rates, sort of the Nielsen ratings of the web. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1 rey... Clint Tredway wrote: according to Alexa the top five are 1. Yahoo 2. MSN 3. Google 4. Passport.net 5. Ebay ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210740 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
(1) I'm over thirty, so I guess I qualify as an old fart (my kids think so). (2) I'm married, but is 44 still young? (3) Moved out of the cave a few years ago. I guess that gets me 1-1/2 out of three, but I had never heard of MySpace either until they contacted us a few months ago... Vince -Original Message- From: Roger B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of it?? ;-) Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the following: (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means over thirty. (2) You're young and married. (3) You live in a cave. -- Roger Benningfield JournURL ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210765 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Filemaker Pro and Cold Fusion
Your best bet is a product called Lasso: http://www.omnipilot.com/ Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Filemaker Pro and Cold Fusion I've got a potential client that has a huge honking Filemaker Pro database that they wish to have a web application built on top of. I've not yet been able to look at the underlying structure yet, so I don't have all the details. They basically want a rather complicated search interface. I know *CRAP* about Filemaker. So... 1. Is this even possible? 2. Better to export to SQL Server or mySQL? Can you even export into another format? 3. Suggestions/Pointers? URL with required reading? Obviously I'm just starting research for this. Thanks, -- --- Les Mizzell ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210309 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: coldfusion and asp.net
You may want to consider BlueDragon.NET, which allows you to run CFML within ASP.NET. You can even create hybrid CFML/ASP.NET web applications that allow you to share session data, do forward/includes among CFML and ASP.NET pages, and much more: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Look for an announcement at CFUNITED (www.cfunited.org) about major companies that are running BlueDragon.NET, and come visit our booth if you happen to be there. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jon Scherdin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: coldfusion and asp.net I need some help. Is anyone out there using asp.net and coldfusion on the same server in a production environment? The reason I ask is that my company has multiple servers, a dev server running iis, .net, and cf, an app server running iis and cf, and a .net server running iis and .net. I really want to consolidate things and bring all the servers together but I am getting resistance from some people who say that coldfusion and asp.net do not play well together and that there are performance issues when they are on the same box. Does anyone have any data that supports either side of this argument? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210173 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future
Hi Damien, I read more of Bryan's comments, as you suggested, and I think he's a loon and doesn't know what he's talking about. The original licensing and 2003 re-licensing of Java by Microsoft was done to allow MS to continue to distribute their version of Java (which they're no longer allowed to call Java) with Windows. Sun actually wanted Microsoft to do this, so that you can continue to run Java applets in IE out of the box without downloading and installing a JRE. There is no way MS used any of the Java source code to create .NET, as Bryan states. Regards, Vince -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future To finish the thread (to CF-OT we go?) please read some more of Bryan's comments at http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/2005-May/date.html before completely dismissing the .NET-Java tie. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207953 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future
Who is Bryan J. Smith? These two statements of his strike me as utter foolishness: ...because .NET 2.0 is based on Java 1.4 (thanx to Microsoft's recent re-license), whereas .NET 1.1 is based on Java 1.1... ...once Marc left last year, I think that was the sign that Microsoft is over as a software company... Vince -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future While the world is starting to catch on to Longhorn not being the promised land it was promoted as over the past five years (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1820686,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1820686,00.asp ), the ties between .NET and Java continue (http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/2005-May/000393.html http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/2005-May/000 393.html ). -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207895 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future
MS's cash reserves have dropped from 60 to 30 billion because they've been giving it their stockholders as dividends, not because they're losing money (they're not--MS continues to be the most profitable company in the history of the world). And don't forget that it took the Roman Empire over 400 years to fall, depending on where you measure its peak. The link came from the original message in this thread: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/2005-May/000393.html Vince -Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future On 5/27/05, Mike Klostermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...once Marc left last year, I think that was the sign that Microsoft is over as a software company... Who's Marc? Yep, couldn't agree more. I'm tossing all of my MS servers/desktops and all MS software out in the trash today. That trillion dollar, market dominating, company is finished! It's not trillion, it's billion, was 60 now 30, and the dollar amount has been steadily falling. give me a break... Rome fall? give me a break... Where is that comming from Vince? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207901 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future
-Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future These two statements of his strike me as utter foolishness: ...because .NET 2.0 is based on Java 1.4 (thanx to Microsoft's recent re-license), whereas .NET 1.1 is based on Java 1.1... Why is that foolishness? Because it's simply not true, regarding either .NET 1.1 or 2.0. Vince ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207905 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future
-Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Regarding Java and .NET's incestuous ties, and Windows' future On 5/27/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS's cash reserves have dropped from 60 to 30 billion because they've been giving it their stockholders as dividends, To try to stimulate growth because they have none. To stimulate growth of the stock price--is that what you mean? Giving money to shareholders as dividends doesn't stimulate revenue growth, but certainly will cause the stock price to rise. not because they're losing money Thing happen with companies before they start to lose money (as you know) - they are trying like mad to keep it from happening, but a stalled stock is often a sign of bad things to come. And depending on how you look at it, not gaining is losing. (they're not--MS continues to be the most profitable company in the history of the world). And don't forget that it took the Roman Empire over 400 years to fall, depending on where you measure its peak. True. They were quite a bit bigger - point is they fell though. Yes, but if we're all dead by the time Microsoft falls, it won't matter much to us, will it? Vince ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207919 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF plugin for VS.NET?
No, we haven't created one, and we're not aware of one. Currently, the best tool for doing both CFML and ASP.NET development might be DreamWeaver. There's also an IDE call PrimalCode that supports both CFML and ASP.NET: http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/tools/default.aspx Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF plugin for VS.NET? Is there a CF plugin for VS.NET? BlueDragon - you guys have anything like that? Thank you, Matt Small ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:205216 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Microsoft sponsoring CFUNITED-05
CFUNITED-05 is going to be a great event. We should be thankful to all the sponsors (yes, New Atlanta is one) for making this event possible, instead of disparaging them. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft sponsoring CFUNITED-05 On 4/28/05, Emanuel Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry for the wrong link It's old news (and you posted it *five* times!). Microsoft has been listed as a sponsor for ages. FWIW, Microsoft was also a notable sponsor of MXDU and hosted a full cooked breakfast on the Friday morning... to pitch Visual Studio and ..NET 2.0... to a less-than-impressed audience who wondered what any of it had to do with programming (seriously! that was one of the more charitable comments I heard about Microsoft's presentation and I heard it from a number of people who attended the breakfast!). Many other conference attendees said that even a free cooked breakfast wasn't worth it to listen to Microsoft's marketing pitch. I guess the Australian CF developers are less-swayed by .NET's FUD than many American CF developers? BTW, Macromedia are the Platinum Sponsor for CFUNITED - the only sponsor at that level - and they are sending several of the ColdFusion product team to present and be available for you to quiz about CFMX 7! -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:205068 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
The best way around this issue is to run BlueDragon/J2EE, which fully supports vertical and horizontal clustering in WebSphere Network Deployment configurations. Let me know if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering? We're (finally!) considering upgrading our largeish collection of CF 4.5 apps to CF 7. The enterprise architecture is WebSphere on AIX. Our current CF apps would cost too much to convert to pure JSP/Java but are all hosted on NT 4 which we've only been able to bribe MS to support through the end of the year. So, an option is to deploy our CF apps to WebSphere. However (there's always a but even if it's a however) I'm getting challenged on it's scalability and deployment options because of the following CF requirement/limitation (from Macromedia): IBM WebSphere Application Server – Network Deployment, Version 5.0, 5.0.2, 5.1 Non-Clustered, Single Server Only (Vertical and horizontal clustering not supported. Use of the Network Deployment console for deployment of ColdFusion applications is also not supported.) Anybody have any insight into this? I know that CF will scale vertically (via multiple instances) and horizontally across machines - what exactly are they talking about here? Is there any way around this issue? Thanks, Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204970 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
What do you mean by IBM's tacit support for CF? IBM discontinued their reseller agreement for ColdFusion in Sept 2004. From their web site: Macromedia ColdFusion MX for IBM WebSphere has been discontinued. Here's the link: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/downloads/cfmxsupport.html New Atlanta is an IBM business partner, BlueDragon is certified on a number of different systems, and we've done a number of joint sales calls with IBM (for BlueDragon on WebSphere) specifically because of this issue with Network Deployment clusters. And, yes, the upgrade should be quick and painless. Plus, you can then take advantage of new features such as CFCs and Web Services, and integration with JSPs and the underlying Java/J2EE platform. Again, let me know if you'd like to arrange a conference call to discuss this in more detail. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering? The best way around this issue is to run BlueDragon/J2EE, which fully supports vertical and horizontal clustering in WebSphere Network Deployment configurations. Let me know if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com Perhaps - but right now people here are skittish as all hell about ANY upgrade to CF and the only thing that's tentatively holding them to it is IBM's tacit support of CF. They're really pushing us to abandon CF altogether... but I want to get one more good upgrade out the process. ;^) Still - I float the idea - it can't hurt! And considering our current apps are 4.5 I suspect without investigating that BD will proably support them immediately out of the box. Jim ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204997 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech Users Beware
You're confusing application isolation with process isolation. Yes, ASP.NET runs all applications within the same process by default; however, it does isolate the applications within that process as I describe. It's a very simple matter of configuration to add process isolation in ASP.NET by assigning applications to different process pools; and yes, the memory consumption of additional ASP.NET processes is much less than addition CFMX instances. The default setting on IIS 6.0 is to run ASP.NET processes as a user with lower security privileges than LocalSystem, so that's another advantage of ASP.NET (and BlueDragon.NET) over CFMX or the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon. Again, I'm presenting a talk a CFUNITED that covers all of these topics (the talk is specifically focused on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0, so some of the points you bring up about IIS 5.0 won't be covered). Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CrystalTech Users Beware It's not exactly true that all sorts of code other than CF have these sorts of problems in shared hosting environments. ASP.NET, for example, isolates every application from all the others just to avoid these problems. If you're running BlueDragon.NET, then your CFML inherits this application isolation so that multiple users can use the same CFAPPLICATION name without conflict. Also, with BlueDragon.NET, you don't have to turn off CFOBJECT to avoid security issues; again, this is because the underlying ASP.NET runtime insures that all applications are isolated from each other. Well, first of all, when I said all sorts I simply meant it's a common problem, not that there aren't environments that are immune. You can run Perl or whatever within a chroot environment on Unix, and that would also be immune. However, these environments are the exception and not the rule, I suspect. That said, it's my understanding that ASP.NET does not automatically isolate applications the way you suggest. You can configure them to be isolated within the IIS management console by choosing the application isolation level in IIS 5 or the application pool in IIS 6, but I'm not sure what the default settings happen to be - on IIS 6, I think the DefaultAppPool is used by default, while on IIS 5 I think that Medium is the default application isolation level, which I believe will place more than one application within the same pool. In addition, on IIS 5 your ASP.NET applications run as LocalSystem by default, I think, so those applications have free run of the filesystem by default. On IIS 6 you can run them using a lower-privilege security context like NetworkSystem, but that's not the default setting. Now, I'm certainly no expert when it comes to ASP.NET security, so if I've made any errors, please let me know. But in any case, running separate ASP.NET application pools is about the same thing as running separate instances of CFMX within separate JRun servers, as far as I can tell, although presumably the memory consumption of a single ASP.NET application is probably much smaller than the memory consumption of a single CFMX instance. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204189 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech Users Beware
It's not exactly true that all sorts of code other than CF have these sorts of problems in shared hosting environments. ASP.NET, for example, isolates every application from all the others just to avoid these problems. If you're running BlueDragon.NET, then your CFML inherits this application isolation so that multiple users can use the same CFAPPLICATION name without conflict. Also, with BlueDragon.NET, you don't have to turn off CFOBJECT to avoid security issues; again, this is because the underlying ASP.NET runtime insures that all applications are isolated from each other. It just so happens that I'm working on my CFUNITED presentation on exactly this topic right now: http://www.cfunited.com/topics.cfm#168 Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CrystalTech Users Beware Hashing your app name isn't going to protect you from others on a shared server from looking in on you: !--- application tracker object --- cfset appObj = createObject(java,coldfusion.runtime.ApplicationScopeTracker) But sandbox security can turn that off... Well, yes, assuming that CFML code is your only route of attack. However, don't most shared hosting providers typically let you run all sorts of code other than CF? I think your best advice was what you said later in the thread - don't expect too much security on a shared server unless you're using server virtualization. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204132 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Hmmm...IIS may be crappy in other respects (though I personally don't think it is), but not regarding performance. It's fairly easy to demonstrate that IIS is as much as an order of magnitude (10 times) faster than Apache, for example, on equivalent hardware. Knowing this, the Apache developers have always dodged the performance question, saying their primary goal is correctness, not performance. Vince -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. -Original Message- From: Johnny Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 14:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? Hi, Is ColdFusion MX 7 slow? I notice that House of Fusion site has been extremely slow since it moved to ColdFusion MX 7. Sometimes I cannot even connect to it. Is this ColdFusion MX 7 related problems House of Fusion site is having or totally different issues? Johnny ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200996 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Thanks, but I can't take credit or blame for coining LAMBDA. I don't know who was the first person to use that term, but it was done entirely independently of New Atlanta. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com http://blog.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? i cant stop hearing... tri lambda lambda lambda lam... and omega mu! thanks a whole effin' lot VINCE! :) no serious... cfUnited should be good, im about to write up my request for funding tomorrow! tw On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:00:26 +0800, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LAMBDA boxes - I got images of Gordon Freeman running around with a crowbar. On the serious side, it's good to have a competitor for LAMP, even though free DB can't be used in exactly the same way (e.g. ISP hosting). -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? [snip] I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap, which highlights the aforementioned open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). [snip] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200382 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
See answers inserted, below. Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Vince, Are you saying that .NET performs better than all J2EE implementation? What exactly do you mean by performance? There's no all or always when it comes to performance. The only honest answer anyone can ever give to the question of performance is, it depends on your application. However, based on internal benchmarks that we've done, and benchmarks of real world applications done by several lead customers of BD.NET, we believe that CFML applications deployed on BD.NET will generally out-perform the same CFML deployed on Java/J2EE-based CFML servers. This is especially true for Windows 2003 Server--versus Windows 2000--due to the high level of integration among the .NET Framework, IIS 6.0, and Windows 2003 Server. This is also especially true for multi-CPU servers. (Again, I'm comparing Java/J2EE-on-Windows versus .NET-on-Windows; this is not a Windows-versus-Linux debate). Our performance testing measured the typical parameters you'd expect to measure: requests per second, request processing time (time-to-first-byte, time-to-last-byte), and CPU utilization. All were generally better on BD.NET (higher requests per second, lower request processing time, lower CPU utilization). We hope to have some real-world case studies of BD.NET customers to present at CFUNITED-05. The only way to know if your application will perform better on BD.NET is to test it yourself. If you (or anyone else) is serious about performance testing your application on BD.NET, we'll be happy to help. There are some configuration settings in ASP.NET that can have a dramatic impact on performance, and we can help tune these for your application. While I know that Microsoft has come a long way in terms of reliability, how does that compare to Websphere, etc.? There are some specific new features in IIS 6.0 and ASP.NET on Windows 2003 related to web application isolation, process isolation, failure detection and recovery, and process recycling that are unique and have no equivalents in the Java/J2EE world. These are the things I'll talk about most during my CFUNITED-05 presentation. What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a J2EE implementation? If you see the value of ASP.NET, then the value of integrating CFML with ASP.NET is obvious. If you're interested in learning more, then I'd suggest Charlie's presentation and some of the ASP.NET presentations at CFUNITED-05. Is it truly faster to develop with CFML + HomeSite/DW/CFEclipse over .NET + Visual Studio? I don't know. I've never made this claim, and don't know how you'd measure such a thing. Personally, I do all of my CFML coding using CFEclipse, whether that CFML is targeted for BD/J2EE or BD.NET. It's just CFML, so you can use whatever tools you currently use to write CFML to target BD.NET (or any edition of BlueDragon). I tend to prefer the free Web Matrix tool over Visual Studio for developing ASP.NET pages: http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex=4tabId=46 I've also heard that Dreamweaver has excellent support for ASP.NET, though I've never used it myself. There's also an editor called PrimalCode that supports both CFML and ASP.NET: http://www.sapien.com/primalcode.aspx So there's no reason at all to think you're forced to change your development tools or use Visual Studio when developing for BlueDragon.NET. Thanks, Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Excellent question. I'm giving a talk at CFUNITED-05 entitled, CFML on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0: the .NET Advantage on this specific topic. This talk will discuss the advantages of .NET versus Java/J2EE on Windows (it assumes you're already running Windows--this is not a Windows vs. Linux talk). In short, there are three main reasons to choose a .NET-based CFML server over a Java/J2EE-based CFML server when running on Windows: performance and reliability (which I cover in my talk), and platform integration with ASP.NET and the .NET Framework. For more on ASP.NET integration, Charlie Arehart is following with a talk entitled, Integrating CFML and ASP.NET Server Controls. Of course, Charlie and I will be posting much of the information from these sessions on our respective blogs, and I assume the session material will be on the CFUNITED-05 web site after the conference is over. I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap, which
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
A follow-up to the integration question: support for mobile devices and internationalization tends to be much stronger in ASP.NET than J2EE. These are two key features that are pulling some of our lead BD.NET customers towards .NET. Note everyone is interested in these two features, and there are other benefits to ASP.NET integration with CFML, but these seem to be two that are catching some people's interest. Vince What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a J2EE implementation? If you see the value of ASP.NET, then the value of integrating CFML with ASP.NET is obvious. If you're interested in learning more, then I'd suggest Charlie's presentation and some of the ASP.NET presentations at CFUNITED-05. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200395 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
There's a lot more permutations than that. Let me try to address some: 1) If you're a UNIX or Linux shop, then BlueDragon.NET has no interest for you, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise (instead, I'll try to convince you to consider the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon that run on UNIX/Linux). 2) If you're a CFML-on-Java/J2EE shop, and you're taking advantage of J2EE platform integration features, there might not be an immediate reason to consider BlueDragon.NET. However, to digress for a moment, I'd point out that BlueDragon/J2EE provides better J2EE integration than any other Java/J2EE-based CFML server. For example, BD/J2EE is the only CFML server that fully supports WebSphere Network Deployment, including horizontal and vertical clustering. 3) If you're a CFML-on-Java/J2EE shop, and you're not taking advantage of J2EE platform integration features, and you're running on Windows, then you can achieve immediate performance and reliability advantages by using BlueDragon.NET instead of your current Java/J2EE-based CFML server. You can then decide whether or not taking advantage of the ASP.NET platform integration features makes sense for you. 4) If you're a CFML shop that's considering use of ASP.NET as an additional platform to supplement CFML, or if you're a shop that's already using both CFML and ASP.NET, or if you're using CFML but have made a strategic decision to migrate towards ASP.NET, then the benefits of integrating CFML and ASP.NET are obvious and BlueDragon.NET is the obvious platform of choice for deploying CFML. 5) If you're a CFML-on-Windows shop that finds the new features of CFMX 7 more compelling than the enhanced performance, reliability, and platform integration provided by BlueDragon.NET, then you're probably going to stick with CFMX 7. 6) If you're an ASP.NET shop who's never used CFML, then you're probably not going to be interested in using BlueDragon.NET. Does this help clarify my position? I'm not trying to argue that BlueDragon.NET is for everyone, or even that it's for most people. In fact, I strongly believe that most CFML developers will continue to use Macromedia ColdFusion MX, and that their needs will be better met by doing so. But...there's a subset of CFML developers who will be better served by the BlueDragon product line--both Java/J2EE and .NET. I am not--and New Atlanta is not--trying to convince the entire population of CFML developers to switch to BlueDragon. Instead, we're trying to identify the subset of that population who are better served by our products, and get the word to them. If you're not a member of that subset, that's fine, I have no argument with you. But, if you're trying to imply the no one in the current population of CFML developers is better served by BlueDragon, then that's where we'll disagree. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? I'd really like to see you expand on the answers you've deferred to a presentation. What is the value benefit of .NET as a platform if are using CFML on J2EE? As far as faster development goes, that question goes to the need to use CFML at all if you are a .NET shop. I wasn't implying that tools would need to be changed, I was just curious about development speed. Some possible target audiences for CFML on .NET ..NET shops CFML on J2EE shops What I'm trying to determine is why either shop would want to change. While you've made some general statements about performance (ignoring other OS solutions for the moment), what other reasons are there? - Calvin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200425 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Upgrade discount to Blue Dragon?
There is no formal program, but we're willing to evaluate your situation on a case-by-case basis and offer discounts as might be appropriate based on volume and other considerations. The best thing to do is contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or call 678-256-3011 if you want to talk to live person--I think sales is number 1 on the menu). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Upgrade discount to Blue Dragon? Anyone know (Vince, Charlie?) whether there are any discounts available when purchasing Blue Dragon if you turn in your ColdFusion licenses, a cross-grade discount as they're often called? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200456 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is no): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200263 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Excellent question. I'm giving a talk at CFUNITED-05 entitled, CFML on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0: the .NET Advantage on this specific topic. This talk will discuss the advantages of .NET versus Java/J2EE on Windows (it assumes you're already running Windows--this is not a Windows vs. Linux talk). In short, there are three main reasons to choose a .NET-based CFML server over a Java/J2EE-based CFML server when running on Windows: performance and reliability (which I cover in my talk), and platform integration with ASP.NET and the .NET Framework. For more on ASP.NET integration, Charlie Arehart is following with a talk entitled, Integrating CFML and ASP.NET Server Controls. Of course, Charlie and I will be posting much of the information from these sessions on our respective blogs, and I assume the session material will be on the CFUNITED-05 web site after the conference is over. I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap, which highlights the aforementioned open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). For more info on these and all the CFUNITED-05 sessions, see: http://www.cfunited.com/topics.cfm If you haven't yet made plans to attend CFUNITED, you really should (and, yes, there's going to be a lot of great speakers and sessions about CFMX 7, too--it's not a BlueDragon show). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? So that this thread does become somewhat topical, here's a real question about it. What specific value does deploying on .NET over J2EE bring to a CFML application? And how does that apply to real world needs? - Calvin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200354 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: eval
Use of this[] syntax is fixed in BD 6.2, just released. Also, BlogCFC is
supported out-of-the-box on BD 6.2, so if you upgrade to BD 6.2, you can use
BlogCFC 3.6 unmodified (that's what I'm using for my blog--soon to be
posted--running on BD.NET).
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-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: eval
Though I highly doubt Sean's challenge included Bluedragon...
I've had to use evaluate on BD with a cfc, but that's
probably because I misunderstand how this is supposed to
work in cfc's nowadays (let alone if it's the same on mx and bd):
cfloop collection=#this# item=x
!--- evaluate is for bd6.1 ---
cfset ispect = evaluate('this.' x)
cfif isSimpleValue(ispect) or isStruct(ispect) or
isArray(ispect)
cfset variables.localvars[x] = ispect /
/cfif
/cfloop
It's used when trying to save the state of a CFC to an xml file.
this[] syntax didn't work, but I seem to remember someone
saying that this in a cfc is wrong anyway - so it's
probably wrong in the first place :-/
BD6.1 btw
cfset ispect = this[x] works on cfmx6.1
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:09:41 -0600, Raymond Camden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I'd say almost nothing forces you to use Evaluate. Just like
nothing forces you to use addition. However, that being said, I can
think of one case where you _almost_ need evalute... and that's
valueList. You must pass in the query name and column name, and it
can't be dynamic. Strictly speaking though, evaluate isn't
necessary,
as you can do the same thing with a loop and bracket notation.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:35:01 -0800, Ian Skinner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just wanted to add that for the purpose of evaluate()
bracket notation and dot notation are pretty much equal.
Neither of them are using an evaluate function.
I believe the spirit of the challenge, as Jared opened
with, was to show a situation were evaluate() was the only
way to achieve the correct result.
I have yet to run into such a situation in my own coding.
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BlueDragon 6.2/.NET Released!
New Atlanta is pleased to announce the final release of BlueDragon 6.2, which is available for immediate download: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm The major new feature of BlueDragon 6.2 is BlueDragon 6.2 for the Microsoft ..NET Framework (BlueDragon.NET), which enables Microsoft .NET servers to natively process CFML pages. BlueDragon.NET allows native integration of CFML pages within ASP.NET web applications, and provides significantly better performance and reliability than Java-based CFML servers on Windows 2003 Server and IIS 6.0, particularly on multi-CPU servers. BlueDragon 6.2 also includes updates to the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon, including the FREE BlueDragon Server. New features of the Java/J2EE edition, which are also found in BlueDragon.NET, include: - CFHTTP and CFMAIL enhancements - CFLOGIN, CFLOGINUSER, and CFFUNCTION security roles - try/catch within CFSCRIPT - CFTRACE - performance enhancements, bug fixes, and more! Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:199843 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: BlueDragon 6.2/.NET Released!
Thanks, but that price is correct. BlueDragon.NET is considered an enterprise level product, and is priced the same as BlueDragon/J2EE at $8,999.00 for a 4-CPU server. For reference, a 4-CPU license for CFMX 7 Enterprise is $11,998.00 (about 33% more expensive than the equivalent BlueDragon editions). BlueDragon Server JX (Java-based) is $899.00 per server, regardless of the number of CPUs. Maybe that's what you were thinking of? Vince -Original Message- From: Jeff Fleitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon 6.2/.NET Released! Hi Vince, Congrats! Looks like you have a comma in the wrong place for the price of the 4-cpu .NET server product. v/r, Jeff On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:27:18 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New Atlanta is pleased to announce the final release of BlueDragon 6.2, which is available for immediate download: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm The major new feature of BlueDragon 6.2 is BlueDragon 6.2 for the Microsoft ..NET Framework (BlueDragon.NET), which enables Microsoft .NET servers to natively process CFML pages. BlueDragon.NET allows native integration of CFML pages within ASP.NET web applications, and provides significantly better performance and reliability than Java-based CFML servers on Windows 2003 Server and IIS 6.0, particularly on multi-CPU servers. BlueDragon 6.2 also includes updates to the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon, including the FREE BlueDragon Server. New features of the Java/J2EE edition, which are also found in BlueDragon.NET, include: - CFHTTP and CFMAIL enhancements - CFLOGIN, CFLOGINUSER, and CFFUNCTION security roles - try/catch within CFSCRIPT - CFTRACE - performance enhancements, bug fixes, and more! Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:199850 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: BlueDragon 6.2/.NET Released!
Yep, I see it now (I was looking somewhere else). It's a shared image on that page, so it appears in other places as well. I'll forward it to our graphics dept. Thanks. Vince -Original Message- From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon 6.2/.NET Released! On the site http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/pricing.cfm I noticed it just now too... Yves On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:28:06 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, but that price is correct. BlueDragon.NET is considered an enterprise level product, and is priced the same as BlueDragon/J2EE at $8,999.00 for a 4-CPU server. For reference, a 4-CPU license for CFMX 7 Enterprise is $11,998.00 (about 33% more expensive than the equivalent BlueDragon editions). BlueDragon Server JX (Java-based) is $899.00 per server, regardless of the number of CPUs. Maybe that's what you were thinking of? Vince -Original Message- From: Jeff Fleitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon 6.2/.NET Released! Hi Vince, Congrats! Looks like you have a comma in the wrong place for the price of the 4-cpu .NET server product. v/r, Jeff On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:27:18 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New Atlanta is pleased to announce the final release of BlueDragon 6.2, which is available for immediate download: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm The major new feature of BlueDragon 6.2 is BlueDragon 6.2 for the Microsoft ..NET Framework (BlueDragon.NET), which enables Microsoft .NET servers to natively process CFML pages. BlueDragon.NET allows native integration of CFML pages within ASP.NET web applications, and provides significantly better performance and reliability than Java-based CFML servers on Windows 2003 Server and IIS 6.0, particularly on multi-CPU servers. BlueDragon 6.2 also includes updates to the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon, including the FREE BlueDragon Server. New features of the Java/J2EE edition, which are also found in BlueDragon.NET, include: - CFHTTP and CFMAIL enhancements - CFLOGIN, CFLOGINUSER, and CFFUNCTION security roles - try/catch within CFSCRIPT - CFTRACE - performance enhancements, bug fixes, and more! Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:199854 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Moving to Lucene
FYI, the CFSEARCH implementation in BlueDragon is implemented using Lucene, and includes the ability to spider web sites in addition to indexing files on disk. This capability is in all versions of BlueDragon, including the free Server edition. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Moving to Lucene Anybody on this list got it to work? -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2005 09:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Moving to Lucene Doug Hughes was raving about Lucene last year and had written a CFC that did this that and whatever. He never released it, but you could possibly chin him about it? http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryid-28/ Andy On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:21:05 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also see that Breeze uses it. -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2005 00:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Moving to Lucene Neil, It's doable. You'll have lots less functionality, but it works. There was even a Custom Tag on a DRK a while back that emulated cfsearch etc. functionality but using Lucene. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Moving to Lucene We are a but agrieved at the cost Verity are charging for K2 Server, has anyone had any experience/success with moving from Verity to Lucene? Any help pointers much appreciated. TIA Neil This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:199141 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blue Dragon Coexisting with CF 5.0?
Yes, it's possible. If you run BlueDragon Server on its built-in web server then it's trivial and there won't be any conflicts (the BlueDragon built-in web server runs on port 8080 by default). If you want to install a web server adapter (to IIS, for example) for both CF5 and BlueDragon at the same time, then things get a little trickier. Charlie Arehart did a write-up on this that I can't seem to find off-hand (maybe it was published in CFDJ?). If you send him an email directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I'm sure he can point you to it. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: E C list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Blue Dragon Coexisting with CF 5.0? Can anyone tell me whether or not its possible to install Blue Dragon Server 6.1 on the same server as ColdFusion 5.0 and keep them both running together? I want to use Blue Dragon with just one or two of the sites running on my server. Will this cause any potential problems? Thanks! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197892 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blue Dragon Coexisting with CF 5.0?
P.S. Yes, you will tend to get better responses to BlueDragon questions on the BlueDragon-Interest mailing list: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/archive_search/index ..cfm Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Blue Dragon Coexisting with CF 5.0? Yes, it's possible. If you run BlueDragon Server on its built-in web server then it's trivial and there won't be any conflicts (the BlueDragon built-in web server runs on port 8080 by default). If you want to install a web server adapter (to IIS, for example) for both CF5 and BlueDragon at the same time, then things get a little trickier. Charlie Arehart did a write-up on this that I can't seem to find off-hand (maybe it was published in CFDJ?). If you send him an email directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I'm sure he can point you to it. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: E C list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Blue Dragon Coexisting with CF 5.0? Can anyone tell me whether or not its possible to install Blue Dragon Server 6.1 on the same server as ColdFusion 5.0 and keep them both running together? I want to use Blue Dragon with just one or two of the sites running on my server. Will this cause any potential problems? Thanks! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197895 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion ignores empty list elements
While I think the suggestion of switching to BlueDragon is an excellent one to consider, the following code works exactly the same on BD 6.2 and CFMX 6.1: cfset list =a,b,c,,,d cfoutput #ListLen( list )#br #listGetAt( list, 4 )# /cfoutput As far as I know, all of the list functions work the same on BD as on CFMX. We did, however add an optional enhancement to the ListToArray() function; from the BlueDragon 6.2 CFML Enhancements Guide: BlueDragon adds a new third argument to ListToArray(), a boolean value, which determines whether to include empty list elements in the resulting array. The default is no, which causes it to operate consistently with ColdFusion. Consider the following: cfset list = 1,2,,3 cfdump var=#listToArray(list,,)# Both ColdFusion and BlueDragon will return an array of 3 elements, even though there are 4 items in the list, the third of which is empty. Use the newly available third argument to change this behavior: cfset list = 1,2,,3 cfdump var=#listToArray(list,,,yes)# This creates instead an array of 4 elements, with the third being empty. Maybe this is what Adam was thinking of? Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion ignores empty list elements Switch to Bluedragon :) Also I use the split UDF on CFlib, works very nicely, The pure java solution is one of the best Ideas, but we are on *sigh* CF 5 so I don't have that luxury personally :) Adam H On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:56:02 -0400, cf coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ex: the list a,b,c,,,d has four elements How do I force it to not ignore empty elements? I'm getting an error with listGetAt(list,4). Any thoughts? Best regards cfcoder ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197761 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: BlueDragon was RE: serialize cfc
We've addressed some, but not all of these issues, so it's still best to avoid using reserved keywords as variable names. To quote from the CFMX 6.1 documentation: The following list indicates words you must not use for ColdFusion variables, user-defined function names, or custom tag names. While some of these words can be used safely in some situations, you can prevent errors by avoiding them entirely. - Any name starting with cf. However, when you call a CFML custom tag directly, you prefix the custom tag page name with cf_. - Built-in function names, such as Now or Hash - Scope names, such as Form or Session - Operators, such as NE or IS - The names of any built-in data structures, such as Error or File - The names of any built-in variables, such as RecordCount or CGI variable names - CFScript language element names such as for, default, or continue http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/express2.htm#wp271196 1 So, yes, BlueDragon is sometimes inconsistent, but so is CFMX (at least the documentation), since they first tell you that you must not use reserved keywords for variables names, etc., and then turn right around in the next sentence and tell you that some words can be used in some situations. Shouldn't it be all or nothing--that you can always use reserved keywords as variable names or that you can never use reserved keywords as variable names? Or, at least tell us when they can and cannot be used safely instead of making vague references to some words in some situations? How are you supposed to know? BlueDragon was originally very strict and prevented use of keywords in all situations. However, we've gradually loosened things up a bit; two examples: - If you have a database column name that's the same as a scope name, URL for example, you can reference it within CFOUTPUT without qualifying the reference with the query variable name. - You can create a variable with the same name as one of the built-in scopes, as long as you qualify the reference, such as variables.request. Note that in most modern programming languages (Java, C/C++, C#, etc.), reserved keywords are just that--they're reserved for use by the compiler. As for upgrades introducing new keywords that break old code--that's just something people using those languages learn to live with; for example, JDK 1.5 introduced the new enum keyword that broke people's old code. That's just the way it is. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BlueDragon was RE: serialize cfc Hey Vince -- off-topic, I just had a quick question -- has there been any progress or plans for progress on the explicitely-scoped keywords bug that's been reported in 3-5 different bugs in the BD bugbase? Seems like a silly thing, but it's been the larger issue that's prevented me doing more testing on BlueDragon for months now. Bug #867 and 868 ... one is labelled a cfml engine bug, the other a documentation bug... Silly thing is the BD engine isn't even internally consistent on this point -- or wasn't last time I tested it -- the same excplicitly scoped variable will produce an error in cfscript but not when a cfset tag is used. (There's a comment about this with an example on bug 868.) And I know I've seen at least 2 other bugs in the bugbase in the past both directly related to this issue, but the only response I've ever gotten on it is don't use keywords. Part of the problem is that don't use keywords doesn't help me to future-proof my code. If I use CFMX and I declare a variable request.dim if the word dim is later added as a keyword (like the var keyword and several other keywords have been recently added), my code will work fine in CFMX, but using blue-dragon, an upgade to a new version with the new keyword would break my code. Anyway, just curious. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196580 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: serialize cfc
(If you're annoyed by BlueDragon product plugs please stop reading now). If serialization of CFCs is critical for you, this feature is supported by BlueDragon 6.1, and the soon-to-be-released BlueDragon 6.2. This means that with BlueDragon you can: - Put CFCs into the J2EE Session scope and have them automatically replicated across a cluster of J2EE servers. - Put CFCs into the Client scope. (In fact, unlike CFMX, BlueDragon allows you to put *any* complex CFML variable into the Client scope without resorting to WDDX). http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: serialize cfc Wow, that's a pretty sad oversight on the part of Macromedia. Basically, if you use any session-based CFCs you are forced to use sticky sessions. And even that doesn't help at all for failover. They added a lot of nice stuff in 7.0, but they also dropped the ball on several things and this is one of them. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:17:01 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CF7, like CF6, only supports session replication for non-CFC data. CFCs will not replicate. http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/1774.htm Check point 17. Session vars can replicate, but CFC's can't. It's worded in a very poor way, but i'm guessing session vars is assumed to only include non-object data. cheers, barneyb On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:07:34 -0500, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barney I haven't tried it, but are you saying that CFMX7 does *not* allow for replication of session-scoped CFC instances? Or are you saying that it does? Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196371 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: BlueDragon forms bug?
Hi Paul, To whom did you send the emails at New Atlanta? I'd recommend posting this to the BlueDragon-Interest mailing list, which has a much higher concentration of BlueDragon users than CF-Talk: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/archive_search/index ..cfm Also, if you're running BD 6.1, did you install the latest hotfix? You can get it from here: http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/download/hotfix/showHotfixes Better, yet try BD 6.2, which is currently at Release Candidate 1 (RC1), with final release planned in the next few weeks: http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/download/home Finally, you might try searching the BlueDragon bug tracking database to see if there's any information about this problem there: http://www.newatlanta.com/c/support/bluedragon/bugtracking/home Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Paul Vernon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 5:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BlueDragon forms bug? Hi All, I'm currently playing around with BD and looking at aggressively developing an application in it at the moment and I seem to have hit an issue and would like some verification. I've already sent mails to newatlanta but I'm impatient :) Basically I have a straight HTML form with a file to upload and a multi-select input box on it. My problem seems to be the way that BD handles the multi-select form data when the enctype is set to multipart/form-data. Essentially instead of getting a comma separated list of values from the multi-select, BD is returning only the last item what should be the list Eg without enctype=multipart/form-data Form.Parents returns 14,15,16 With enctype=multipart/form-data Form.Parents returns just 16. Obviously with it being a file upload form I need the enctype declaration but the functionality is for nothing without the multi-select input box too. Can someone confirm that this problem can be recreated on their installation of BD 6.1. The code below reproduces the problem on my installation. html head title/title /head body cfif IsDefined(Form.Submit) cfdump var=#Form# /cfif h1Enctype set/h1 form action=thispage.cfm method=post enctype=multipart/form-data select name=Parents size=3 multiple=multiple option value=1one/option option value=2two/option option value=3three/option /select input type=submit name=submit value=submit / /form h1Enctype NOT set/h1 form action=thispage.cfm method=post select name=Parents size=3 multiple=multiple option value=1one/option option value=2two/option option value=3three/option /select input type=submit name=submit value=submit / /form /body /html ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196014 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Case-sensitive Struct keys
You can use Java HashMaps to create your own case-sensitive struct. Try this: cfobject type=java action=create class=java.util.HashMap name=myStruct cfset myStruct.put( a, 5 ) cfset myStruct.put( A, 10 ) cfoutput a = #myStruct.get( a )#br A = #myStruct.get( A )# /cfoutput Here's the API reference for java.util.HashMap: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/util/HashMap.html Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Cedric Villat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Case-sensitive Struct keys So I guess CF doesn't support case-sensitive keys in a structure. For example, given the following code: test = StructNew(); test.a = 5; test.A = 10; I would have hoped that 2 keys would have been made, a and A, but instead only 1 key is made, and has a value of 10. Is there anyway to have CF use case-sensitive keys so that I could do something like the above to get 2 keys? Thanks, Cedric ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195855 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: way to import the C-Sharp code in ColdFusion.
Hi Nathan, BlueDragon doesn't support cfscript language=c#, but it does support cfinclude page=myPage.aspx, and of course the aspx page can contain c# scripts. My last comment wasn't meant to be a dig at you, just a reminder that there are other CFML servers on the market in addition to ColdFusion, some of which offer unique capabilities that ColdFusion does not. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: way to import the C-Sharp code in ColdFusion. Hey Vince, How about cfscript language=c#? That would be great. Vince Bonfanti wrote: Just because ColdFusion can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done. While this is somewhat of a dig on what I said, I gotta at least hand it to your relentless marketing on cf-talk, while staying on-topic. You did at least bring up a good point. When migrating an ASP.NET site to CF, bluedragon is a great tool. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195152 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: way to import the C-Sharp code in ColdFusion.
Hi Asim, It looks like you're trying to create an instance of an aspx page object (implemented in Login.aspx.cs so that you can invoke method on that object, but without rendering the page? Is this correct? If so, try this: cfobject type=java action=create class=PFWeb.Login name=templogin Use type=java because BlueDragon.NET uses Java (J#) syntax to access .NET objects. If this works then you should be able to invoke methods on the templogin object: cfset templogin.SomeMethod() Also, you may want to consider joining the BlueDragon-Interest mailing list and posting these types of questions there: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/archive_search/index ..cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Asim Manzur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: way to import the C-Sharp code in ColdFusion. Thanks guys, atleast I've hope now that it is possible. I setup the trial version of BlueDragon and playing with that now. First I do not have to translate all the C# codes in coldfusion. because I just have a web application. secondly. When I look for the aspx codes I saw that developer is using the parameter Codebehind which confirms that the codes are compiled. Now what i need to do is I need to import those codes somehow in Coldfusion so I can add more functionality in the applicaiton. in the aspx the developer used %@ Page language=c# Codebehind=Login.aspx.cs AutoEventWireup=false Inherits=PFWeb.Login % I was trying cfobject component=TTWeb.Login action=create name=templogin I am using BlueDragon and I got the error A request was made to a resource that could not be located Somehow I can't use the cfinclude page= because it contains all the html as well. ( i think ) when I use include it shows me the login page with all the tables and so on. which is not defined in the aspx file. What I was thinking that if I created the file test2.aspx and put this code in that file in ordre to import the C# codes %@ Page language=c# Codebehind=Login.aspx.cs AutoEventWireup=false Inherits=TTWeb.Login % Then in the .cfm file how can I get the contents. i.e. I can't use cfinclude page= do it? how can I create the cfobject Thanks once agian for your help -- Regards, Asim Manzur ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195247 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: way to import the C-Sharp code in ColdFusion.
Yes, there is a real way to do this. C# (and any .NET language) is fully compatible with CFML, and you can invoke .NET code directly from CFML--using BlueDragon.NET you can create and invoke any .NET object using CFOBJECT (just as you can with Java objects on ColdFusion and the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon). http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/6_2/BlueDragon_ 62_CFML_on_ASP_NET.pdf Just because ColdFusion can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: way to import the C-Sharp code in ColdFusion. Sadly, there's no real way to do this. c# isn't compatable with cfml c# and .NET managed code is not COM, and can't be treated like a COM object. ..NET code can't be called from CF, except by command line via cfexecute Your best bet is to make a web service, or port the code by hand. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ Asim Manzur wrote: I am converting an application from ASP.NET to coldfusion. I was wondering that is there anyway that I can import the C-Sharp codes into the coldfusion template. Like usually in ASP we do #include filename CFM we do cfinlcude ASP.NET some ppl use behind code technique. which is %@ Page language=c# Codebehind=MyFile.aspx.cs AutoEventWireup=false Inherits=PFP.CreateUserDocument % How is this possible to do in coldfusion, is it something which I need to use and register the COM Object?? Am I going to the right path? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195124 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
Yes, sourceless deployment is supported in the BlueDragon standard edition (BlueDragon Server JX). It's not supported in the BlueDragon free edition. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released Just looking at the link you posted and Wicked - we get CFML support as part of the standard edition - that's amazing :S, thanks MM I does look like a pretty measly feature set in comparison. But there is some great functionality in the standard edition. I think it's a bit of a poor show keeping some things like event gateways out and I think it could stifle growth in development of these gateways by excluding it from the masses. As far as sourceless deployment being excluded - I too was hoping for this as I sub-licence my CMS to other people and want to keep the code secret. Does this come as with BlueDragon as standard? Hey ho, time to go sell a Kidney to get the Enterprise version. Martin Parry Macromedia Certified Developer http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk -Original Message- From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 February 2005 03:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released OK sure -- I was simply looking at the check marks here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/prod uct_editio ns/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193327 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
Wow. Just like BlueDragon. (Sorry, couldn't resist). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released) Just to further clarify: Sourceless deployment is different from J2EE packaged deployment. Sourceless deployment means: compile source to bytecode and deploy the bytecode (to a CFMX 7 server). J2EE packaged deployment means: create a WAR/EAR that includes the CF runtime etc and deploy to a J2EE server. The J2EE packaged deployment can be sourceless (optional) and can also omit the CF Administrator (optional). ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193522 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Good Microsoft Server 2003 list
Try the Microsoft newsgroups: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/newsgroups/default.mspx Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Good Microsoft Server 2003 list I need to join a Microsoft Server 2003 list. Can anyone point me to a good one? Andy ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193241 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Where did you search to get those number? By default, IIS doesn't use index.asp as the default document, but uses default.asp (for legacy ASP) and default.aspx (for ASP.NET). What are the results for those? Vince -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193087 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
I'd agree with that. The Apache web server is probably in the same category--used more in public hosting environments and less behind corporate firewalls, so surveys that only measure public web servers (such as Netcraft) tend to be skewed. Vince -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use Dave, honestly, I don't think anyone really knows the answer to that one. But it is clear that some technologies tend to be used less in internal corporate development (PHP is a perfect example of this) meaning that proportionally there is more of them public facing and that skews any extrapolation of total use based on public facing use. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. Isn't that equally true for every other web application server technology? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193146 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
