Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Felix Geisendörfer]

Hey folks,

we just recently got into a little discussion over Prototype vs jQuery 
at the CakePHP mailing list. So as every good jQuery evangelist would 
do, I tried my best at communicating it's strength. Because I think the 
post contains a pretty good list of arguments and external links, I'll 
just post it here for possible future reference.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/cake-php/msg/d5eb284ae44c5374

In case you spot any errors or such let me know and I'll try to clarify it.

-- Felix
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Klaus Hartl wrote:

•More than cosmetic effects (Moo.fx)



Just wondering - I don't know much about it - does Moo.fx really have 
only cosmetic effects? What is meant by that anyway? I guess I have to 
have a look into the slides...



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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Klaus Hartl]

> •More than cosmetic effects (Moo.fx)

Just wondering - I don't know much about it - does Moo.fx really have 
only cosmetic effects? What is meant by that anyway? I guess I have to 
have a look into the slides...


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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Steven Wittens]

I don't have time to sift through this thread, but I just want to say  
I gave a talk about Drupal & jQuery twice in September and got  
nothing but good replies. The slides are online. Mail me if you want  
the Apple Keynote file:

http://www.acko.net/blog/jquery-drupalcon-talk

There is also a video on Google Video, search for "jquery drupalcon"  
or so.

My slide about "why jQuery?" says:

jQuery
•Doesn’t mess with the language (Prototype)
•Doesn’t try to be Python (Mochikit)
•Only essentials: 15KB (Scriptaculous, Dojo)
•More than cosmetic effects (Moo.fx)
•Makes common tasks easy

:)

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[Rey Bango]

I think thats a question that John would need to answer since he's 
leading the jQuery effort.

Rey...

Scottus wrote:
>  http://www.openajax.org/about.html
> 
> anyone interested in joinging the opn ajax alliance.
> 
> I think the fact that jquery can run with prototype shows that it
> is willing to work well with others.
> 
> and every little bit of press helps
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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Scottus]

 http://www.openajax.org/about.html

anyone interested in joinging the opn ajax alliance.

I think the fact that jquery can run with prototype shows that it
is willing to work well with others.

and every little bit of press helps

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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Jonathan Sharp]

On 12/10/06, Jörn Zaefferer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


David schrieb:
> Dave Methvin schreef:
>
>> jQuery: Write less and do more
>> jQuery: Say no more   (for Monty Python fans)
>> jQuery: Web programming, short and sweet
>>
>>
>>
> As long as we are making slogans. I will give it a shot as well
>
> jQuery : the ruby of javascript
>
> Some can argue it's too specific but the idea behind is that like ruby
> jquery makes webprogramming more understandable with all the advanced
> features from the proven language(s) still intact.
>
Why not "Succinctness is power"? It's a bit harder to chew on, but you
have more from it. We could quote even more stuff from Paul Graham,
giving jQuery a more serious, a little less hackish background.



I have to say that I really like this. This really reflects well on jQuery's
"brand".

+1 from me.

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[Jörn Zaefferer]

Dave Methvin schrieb:
>> My line was meant more to reflect that fact the programming
>> cross browser DOM stuff in JavaScript is really painful and
>> not fun. jQuery has made it fun! Sure there are lots of other
>> libraries that support cross browser scripting, but they tend
>> to be more obtrusive, heavy handed and in your face.
>> jQuery lets you focus on what you need to do.
>
> Agreed, it's the DOM bindings that make web programming so tedious. By
> wrapping them in jQuery it becomes a lot less painful and a whole lot
> shorter.
>
> Read Paul Graham's essay "Succinctness is Power" and you would swear he
> wrote it with jQuery in mind.
> http://www.paulgraham.com/power.html
>
> Maybe that should be the focus of the slogan, something like these:
>
> jQuery: Write less and do more
> jQuery: Say no more (for Monty Python fans)
> jQuery: Web programming, short and sweet
Dave, thanks a lot four that link! I like to idea to put some "thought" 
behind jQuery.

I'm currently reading "Revenge of the Nerds", and this sentence is just 
so true:
Within large organizations, the phrase used to describe this approach is 
"industry best practice." Its purpose is to shield the pointy-haired 
boss from responsibility: if he chooses something that is "industry best 
practice," and the company loses, he can't be blamed. He didn't choose, 
the industry did.

Thanks again for the link!
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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Dave Methvin]

> I think we should be very careful about be negative about
> JavaScript, after all it is the language we are working in.

It's a pretty good language, too.

> My line was meant more to reflect that fact the programming
> cross browser DOM stuff in JavaScript is really painful and 
> not fun. jQuery has made it fun! Sure there are lots of other
> libraries that support cross browser scripting, but they tend
> to be more obtrusive, heavy handed and in your face.
> jQuery lets you focus on what you need to do. 

Agreed, it's the DOM bindings that make web programming so tedious. By
wrapping them in jQuery it becomes a lot less painful and a whole lot
shorter. 

Read Paul Graham's essay "Succinctness is Power" and you would swear he
wrote it with jQuery in mind.
http://www.paulgraham.com/power.html

Maybe that should be the focus of the slogan, something like these:

jQuery: Write less and do more
jQuery: Say no more   (for Monty Python fans)
jQuery: Web programming, short and sweet



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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[eugene33]

I like the Idea of a special Drupal area with jquery based plugin but we
could extend this to the major CMS, as I work on Joomla! i would be quite
happy to find such repository too.
just my 2 cents ;)


digital spaghetti wrote:
> 
> Here is some notes I took on my blackberry.  Sometimes I just get
> ideas like this and like to take them down.  It's for getjquery.com
> which could be a great way to promote the library.
> 
> Getjquery.org site ideas:
> 
> Create a site in a similar vein to getfirefox.org, promoting the
> features and values of the Jquery library.
> 
> The site is build aroud x ideas:
> - what is jQuery? (Introduction and Faq)
> - jQuery in action (both onsite and offsite), jQuery in the press.
> - get jQuery (offer several downloads I.e. Lite, developer and
> roll-your-own)
> - jQuery tutorials (onsite, offsite, video and podcasts)
> - your jQuery - user submission such as sites running jQuery, code
> snipits, photos (conferences, sillyness, etc).
> - jQuery swag - t-shirts, mugs, mouse mats, etc.
> - support us - donations
> 
> Site runs on Drupal, with modulles to build a community site, get
> advocates od jQuery from the mailing list to contribute to design and
> function, come up with unique content for site. Look at either
> creating a tour in flash, or someone write it in jQuery (to show the
> power!!)
> 
> Aim of the site is to raise awareness and take up of the jQuery
> library. Show that some big sites (technorati, drupal) are using
> jQuery, get quotes and soundbites and plaster them on the site.
> 
> Create a central pot of funds for running hosting, getting advertising
> and donating to jQuery related projects. Possibly offer awards for
> excellent projects decided by a panel.  Could also go towards funding
> speakers at events to promote jQuery.
> 
> Feel free to expand on this, or just ignore it but I thought I'd throw
> it into the pot.
> 
> Tane
> http://digitalspaghetti.me.uk
> 
> On 12/7/06, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
>> Part of that is pro-actively approaching Ajax notables in the ColdFusion
>> community in an effort to get them to give some face time to jQuery.
>> Well I'm happy to announce that it looks like I've converted one of the
>> notables in the ColdFusion community; Joe Danziger. Joe's written
>> several articles on Ajax primarily focusing on Prototype/Scriptaculous
>> with ColdFusion. You can read about it here as well as his comments
>> about jQuery:
>>
>> http://www.reybango.com/index.cfm/2006/12/6/Why-jQuery-Rocks-or-How-I-Got-Joe-Danziger-to-Convert
>>
>> The reason that I'm posting this is to encourage everyone to be
>> pro-active in approaching the top names in your respective areas and
>> development tools and telling them about jQuery. It seems that many
>> folks either don't know about jQuery or have a misconception about what
>> it does. In my Joe thought it was just some javascript library until he
>> actually saw the plugins and functionality included in it.
>>
>> I was fairly disappointed not seeing jQuery mentioned in this recent
>> comparison:
>>
>> http://www.dzone.com/rsslinks/an_open_source_ajax_comparison_matrix.html
>>
>> so I'm going to continue to push hard to get the word out. I hope
>> everyone joins me in those efforts.
>>
>> If you see Joe on this mailing list, please make him feel at home. I've
>> talked to him about writing another article for AjaxWorld about using
>> jQuery with ColdFusion and he seems pretty excited about doing it.
>>
>> I will be out of town until Monday so if you reply to me and don't get a
>> response back, I'll get back to you then.
>>
>> Rey...
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[Stephen Woodbridge]

In spite of my suggestion for the tag line

"jQuery: puts the fun back in JavaScript!"

I think we should be very careful about be negative about JavaScript, 
after all it is the language we are working in.

My line was meant more to reflect that fact the programming cross 
browser DOM stuff in JavaScript is really painful and not fun. jQuery 
has made it fun! Sure there are lots of other libraries that support 
cross browser scripting, but they tend to be more obtrusive, heavy 
handed and in your face. jQuery lets you focus on what you need to do. 
It is simple and elegant and if you don't looks for it, it almost 
doesn't seem to be there. It is all about the DOM and making is accessible.

-Steve

Marc Jansen wrote:
> What about
> 
> "jQuery: try today - stay forever",
> 
> "jQuery: JavaScript as it was meant",
> 
> "jQuery: efficient yet creative"
> 
> -- Marc
> 
> Christopher Jordan schrieb:
>> Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems 
>> kinda like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing 
>> something like that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> Edwin Martin wrote:
>>> "jQuery: past prototype".
>>>
>>> I like the double meaning of it.
>>>
>>> Edwin Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian Bach wrote:
>>>   
 "jQuery, duty now for the future"

 :)



 Pje wrote:
   
 
> "jQuery, the way that javascript should be."
>
> Just my 2 cents. :)
>
> On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   
>> Solid Source wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
>>> 
>>>   
>> lines
>>   
>> 
>>> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
>>> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
>>> 
>>>   
>> How about:
>>
>> jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.
>>
>> I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
>> - small & lightweight
>> - handy
>> - does lots of stuff
>> - can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)
>>
>> Luke
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[Solid Source]

I can't wait! Excellent!


manalang wrote:
> 
> I just contributed the jQuery API doc to gotapi.com... let's see how long
> it
> takes them to get it up.
> 
> Rich
> 
> On 12/7/06, Edwin Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Rey Bango wrote:
>> > Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
>> >
>> I think it would be a good idea to have jQuery on sites like gotapi.com.
>>
>> They're open for contributions (code, that is).
>>
>> Site: http://www.gotapi.com/
>>
>> How to contribute your API: http://www.gotapi.com/contribute/index.html
>>
>> Edwin Martin (jquery-enthousiast since a week).
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[Rich Manalang]

I just contributed the jQuery API doc to gotapi.com... let's see how long it
takes them to get it up.

Rich

On 12/7/06, Edwin Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Rey Bango wrote:
> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
>
I think it would be a good idea to have jQuery on sites like gotapi.com.

They're open for contributions (code, that is).

Site: http://www.gotapi.com/

How to contribute your API: http://www.gotapi.com/contribute/index.html

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[Dragan Krstic]

No, let's made changing slogan. Each time new slogan, new first paragraph,
with arrows to browse them!

2006/12/8, Jonathan Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On 12/8/06, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems
> kinda like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing
> something like that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/
>

Here here! jQuery stands on its own when demonstrated. I think just
clearly laying out the different approaches and let people decide on their
own. People will be more committed to jQuery (and convinced) if they decide
on their own. jQuery's same elegant approach should also be evident in
examples and comparisons.

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[Jonathan Sharp]

On 12/8/06, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems kinda
like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing something like
that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/



Here here! jQuery stands on its own when demonstrated. I think just clearly
laying out the different approaches and let people decide on their own.
People will be more committed to jQuery (and convinced) if they decide on
their own. jQuery's same elegant approach should also be evident in examples
and comparisons.

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[Christopher Jordan]

Edwin Martin wrote:

Christopher Jordan schreef:
  
Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems 
kinda like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing 
something like that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/


You're right. But we know why Prototype is called Prototype ;-)

  

lol! ;o)

Edwin Martin
  

Edwin Martin wrote:


"jQuery: past prototype".

I like the double meaning of it.

Edwin Martin



Christian Bach wrote:
  
  

"jQuery, duty now for the future"

:)



Pje wrote:
  



"jQuery, the way that javascript should be."

Just my 2 cents. :)

On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  

Solid Source wrote:
  



1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the

  
  

lines
  



of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)

  
  

How about:

jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.

I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
- small & lightweight
- handy
- does lots of stuff
- can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)

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[Marc Jansen]

What about

"jQuery: try today - stay forever",

"jQuery: JavaScript as it was meant",

"jQuery: efficient yet creative"

-- Marc

Christopher Jordan schrieb:
> Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems 
> kinda like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing 
> something like that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> Edwin Martin wrote:
>> "jQuery: past prototype".
>>
>> I like the double meaning of it.
>>
>> Edwin Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian Bach wrote:
>>   
>>> "jQuery, duty now for the future"
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pje wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
 "jQuery, the way that javascript should be."

 Just my 2 cents. :)

 On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
   
> Solid Source wrote:
>   
> 
>> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
>> 
>>   
> lines
>   
> 
>> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
>> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
>> 
>>   
> How about:
>
> jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.
>
> I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
> - small & lightweight
> - handy
> - does lots of stuff
> - can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)
>
> Luke
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[Rey Bango]

Hi Sean,

Thanks for the heads up. I contacted the author via email with updated 
information in the hopes that he'll revise it to properly represent 
jQueries capabilities. Here's what I sent him:

"Hi Chuck,

My name is Rey Bango and I'm a volunteer with the jQuery project. I was 
recently passed a link to your Javascript library comparison found here:

http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/Javascript+Toolkit+Comparison

and I was hoping that you could re-evaluate your findings. jQuery truly 
has one of the most comprehensive sets of documentation & widgets of any 
projects out there and I believe that at times, its hard to find all of 
the information necessary to really see the power of a product. Here are 
some links that I hope will help you in adjusting your review:

Documentation:
http://jquery.com/docs/
http://jquery.com/api/
http://www.visualjquery.com/

Back Button Support:
http://www.stilbuero.de/jquery/history/

Widget Collection:
http://jquery.com/plugins/

Developer Community:

Mailing List:
http://jquery.com/discuss/

Forum:
http://www.nabble.com/JQuery-f15494.html

Learning Center:
http://www.learningjquery.com
http://jquery.com/blog/2006/11/14/expandable-sidebar-menu-screencast/

Magazine:
http://www.visualjquery.com/magazine/

Demos:
http://jquery.com/demos/

Please feel free to contact me should you have any questions or need 
further assistance. I have cc'd the project owner, John Resig, in case 
you would like to ask him any questions about the project.

Rey..."

Lets hope he will revise the chart.

Rey...

Sean O wrote:
> Hey Rey,
> 
> 
> Someone posted an alternate comparison in the comments that did feature
> jQuery:
> http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/Javascript+Toolkit+Comparison
> 
> However, they gave it one star for "widgets"!  Huh? What?  Did this person
> not even take a brief glance at the Plugins page?  And developer community
> got a measly 2 stars.  They obviously don't know about this list, and didn't
> bother to look.  Perhaps the forthcoming (?) forums will help exposure.  At
> least the Nabble interface gets some jquery-ish keywords out there...
> 
> 
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[Edwin Martin]

Christopher Jordan schreef:
> Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems 
> kinda like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing 
> something like that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/
You're right. But we know why Prototype is called Prototype ;-)

Edwin Martin
>
> Edwin Martin wrote:
>> "jQuery: past prototype".
>>
>> I like the double meaning of it.
>>
>> Edwin Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian Bach wrote:
>>   
>>> "jQuery, duty now for the future"
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pje wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
 "jQuery, the way that javascript should be."

 Just my 2 cents. :)

 On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
   
> Solid Source wrote:
>   
> 
>> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
>> 
>>   
> lines
>   
> 
>> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
>> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
>> 
>>   
> How about:
>
> jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.
>
> I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
> - small & lightweight
> - handy
> - does lots of stuff
> - can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)
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[Christopher Jordan]

Yeah, but we probably don't want to slam other projects. That seems 
kinda like bad sportsmanship or bad geekmanship or something. Doing 
something like that may alienate more folks that it attracts. :o/


Cheers,
Chris

Edwin Martin wrote:

"jQuery: past prototype".

I like the double meaning of it.

Edwin Martin



Christian Bach wrote:
  

"jQuery, duty now for the future"

:)



Pje wrote:
  


"jQuery, the way that javascript should be."

Just my 2 cents. :)

On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Solid Source wrote:
  


1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the

  

lines
  


of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)

  

How about:

jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.

I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
- small & lightweight
- handy
- does lots of stuff
- can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)

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[Edwin Martin]

"jQuery: past prototype".

I like the double meaning of it.

Edwin Martin



Christian Bach wrote:
> "jQuery, duty now for the future"
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Pje wrote:
>   
>> "jQuery, the way that javascript should be."
>>
>> Just my 2 cents. :)
>>
>> On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Solid Source wrote:
>>>   
 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
 
>>> lines
>>>   
 of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
 Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
 
>>> How about:
>>>
>>> jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.
>>>
>>> I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
>>> - small & lightweight
>>> - handy
>>> - does lots of stuff
>>> - can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)
>>>
>>> Luke
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[Christian Bach]

"jQuery, duty now for the future"

:)



Pje wrote:
> "jQuery, the way that javascript should be."
> 
> Just my 2 cents. :)
> 
> On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Solid Source wrote:
>> > 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
>> lines
>> > of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
>> > Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
>>
>> How about:
>>
>> jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.
>>
>> I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
>> - small & lightweight
>> - handy
>> - does lots of stuff
>> - can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)
>>
>> Luke
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[Pje]

"jQuery, the way that javascript should be."

Just my 2 cents. :)

On 12/8/06, Luke Lutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Solid Source wrote:
> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
lines
> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)

How about:

jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.

I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
- small & lightweight
- handy
- does lots of stuff
- can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)

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[Luke Lutman]

Solid Source wrote:
> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the lines
> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)

How about:

jQuery: The JavaScript Swiss Army Knife.

I like the associations a Swiss Army knife has:
- small & lightweight
- handy
- does lots of stuff
- can have all sorts of attachments (plugins)

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[Luke Lutman]

Dave Methvin wrote:
> "You start with 10 lines of jQuery that would have been 20 lines of 
> tedious DOM Javascript. By the time you are done it's down to two or 
> three lines and it couldn't get any shorter unless it read your mind."  

I think that should be the first paragraph on the homepage!

It's concise, friendly (no buzzwords!), and highlights jQuery's biggest 
strength.

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[Jörn Zaefferer]

Krzysztof FF schrieb:
> I saw another sabotage at that comparison (
> http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/JQuery+JS+Library
> http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/JQuery+JS+Library ):
>
> DEMO: http://www.dojotoolkit.org/
>
> Demo from JQuery referring to DOJO ??? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED]&%*%&[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED] ???
>   
Saw that too. I just send the last editor a mail.

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[Krzysztof FF]

I saw another sabotage at that comparison (
http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/JQuery+JS+Library
http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/JQuery+JS+Library ):

DEMO: http://www.dojotoolkit.org/

Demo from JQuery referring to DOJO ??? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED]&%*%&[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] ???


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[digital spaghetti]

Don't forget Divo - thats where the jQuery hat comes from :)

Ok folks - http://getjquery.org is up and running :)  I couldn't
resist as I got an offer from my web host to upgrade to a re-seller
account for £1 for the next 3 months and a free URL, after that i'll
need to start looking at raising part of the money towards running
costs but that's far enough off.

At the moment, it's just a standard Drupal Beta 2 install with no
content, but everyone can sign up their accounts.  I'm setting up a
wiki (which will be up later today on http://getjquery.org/wiki/) so
everyone can contribute to the discussion of what we do with it.

Tane

On 12/8/06, Edwin Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
> > I kind of like: jQuery: puts the fun back in JavaScript!
> >
>
> That's much better than the current "New Wave JavaScript", which is the
> current tagline on the homepage.
>
> (For the people not old enough to know what New Wave is: it's an music
> style, popular in the eighties with bands like Talking Heads, Elvis
> Costello and Blondie. Ugh! I sincerely doubt "New Wave JavaScript" will
> help making jQuery more popular. :-))
>
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Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
> I kind of like: jQuery: puts the fun back in JavaScript!
>   

That's much better than the current "New Wave JavaScript", which is the 
current tagline on the homepage.

(For the people not old enough to know what New Wave is: it's an music 
style, popular in the eighties with bands like Talking Heads, Elvis 
Costello and Blondie. Ugh! I sincerely doubt "New Wave JavaScript" will 
help making jQuery more popular. :-))

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I kind of like: jQuery: puts the fun back in JavaScript!

[huge snip]

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Don't be a DOMass ;)

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[Clodelio Delfino]

Agree with Glen but with some modifications,

1. Each navigation option should have a cool tooltip which uses jQuery
describing or intro to its actual content.
2. "Samples" would be replace with a better word, e.g.  "See in Action"
, "Cool Samples"... , it should have a version of jquery and plugins
combined indicated or perhaps better a downloadable link and llso, all
ready-to-run source code in zip file is a plus.
3. Each Plugin should also indicate to what revision of jQuery they run
and tested. Maybe some end user have downloaded some other plugins which
uses a different revision number of jQuery which we don't want to keep
them mixing and fixing this/that...etc...
4. In the default homepage, better if it has the cool Web 2.0 noticeable
logo / taglines in bold ...
5. Last and most important, please don't put the menu/options/navigation
at the BOTTOM in frontpage(like the current [EMAIL PROTECTED])...it's less
usable having to scrolldown and see what lies/options ahead that the end
user may see...btw, my current resolution is only [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
using FF2

Hear ye, hear ye...let's spread the jQuery news...

Cheers,
cdelfino

Glen Lipka wrote:
> Suggestions from the information architect in me:
>
> 1. Get a global navigation,  The links at the bottom are not natural.  At
> the top, in big buttons horizontal.
> a. Home
> b. Samples
> c. Plugins
> d. Support
> e. Download
> f. Blog
>
> a. Home
> This page should say what it is and have a quick example or two. 
> Also, it's
> cool to put sites up that use it.  Reduces the guinea pig factor.  The
> current page might be too long.  One of the things I thought was REALLY
> compelling was the "every other row a different color" comparrison chart.
> Maybe have a link on the homepage saying, "See how jQuery stands up to
> other
> frameworks".
>
> b. Samples
> These should have LOTS of samples. Lots and lots of examples,
> organized into
> different categories.  Samples make adopting a framework much easier. 
> Maybe
> make a sample search.  Each sample should say which version of
> jQuery/plugins it uses.
>
> c. Plugins.  Take a page from Mozilla in how they handle plugins.  Each
> plugin has a standard page.  The big long list was good for a while, but
> jQuery has outgrown it.  Move to a bigger architecture for it.
>
> d. Support
> Documentation, FAQ's, Mailing List, Nabble Links etc etc etc.
>
> e. Download
> The download tool and subversion and all the plugins.  It is really
> important to have simple and clear changelogs for all the software
> organized
> well with version numbers.
>
> Taglines are good, but nothing beats Information Architecture to get
> people
> to understand.  I do this sort of thing for a living, so this isn't
> preference or opinion.  Additionally, a visual design update would make
> jQuery look a little more buttoned up.
>
> Hope this helps
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2006/12/8, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


 Dragan Krstic wrote:

english is not my native

You don't say! ;o)

Well, it's not too shabby for not being a native speaker. :o)



I'm doing my best, but I use lot of "I", and "but", and "actually" and
"and"

"...and lot of developers in love"?




in love with jquery, I ment ;)  HA, this can be good:
   in love with JS, again
   love on first $

I wish I were in love. lol! ;o)



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[Glen Lipka]

First paragraph Suggestion:

jQuery is a javascript framework that is highly coupled to CSS and
eliminates the cross-browser complexities of DOM scripting.  If you love
CSS, you will love jQuery.
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[Christopher Jordan]

Dragan Krstic wrote:

english is not my native

You don't say! ;o)

Well, it's not too shabby for not being a native speaker. :o)

"...and lot of developers in love"?

I wish I were in love. lol! ;o)




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[Alex Cook]

From: Klaus Hartl
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Jörn Zaefferer schrieb:
> Doing a screencast with some spoken explanation with some jQuery 
> scripting on the firebug console could be a good introduction to jQuery. 
> If you can script it on the console, you can script it everywhere!

Interesting! I just had the idea of having a command line on the jQuery 
page, to try things out and as a showcase...


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I'm playing with something like that Klaus, patterned after the tryruby link I 
included earlier.  I love jQuery, I just wish I had more free time to play with 
it :(

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[Klaus Hartl]

Jörn Zaefferer schrieb:
> Doing a screencast with some spoken explanation with some jQuery 
> scripting on the firebug console could be a good introduction to jQuery. 
> If you can script it on the console, you can script it everywhere!

Interesting! I just had the idea of having a command line on the jQuery 
page, to try things out and as a showcase...


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Patrick Hall schrieb:
> Hi folks,
> 
> What about some sort of interactive "about" or "quick tour" page? I
> imagine something like this:
> 
> The page loads with a simple jQuery logo. When you click it (or after
> a short wait if the user can't figure out how to click ;-] ) a
> div#info slideDown()s containing a short description, I dunno,
> something like:
> 
> "jQuery is the
> * coolest
> * most concise
> * most capable
> * most intuitive
> Javascript library around!"
> 
> Or something. =]
> 
> Simultaneously, on the left the code which called the effect appears:
> 
> $(document).ready(function(){ $('#info').slideDown() } ) 

Hm, that brought me to another idea: Let there be an interactive command 
line with autocompletion on the page, where you can try out some funny 
things...

Not sure if that could work out, but it would be a nice showcase as well.


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Andy Matthews schrieb:
> I'd have to agree with everything that Glen says, and I'd add something.
>  
> Instead of just showing how powerful and easy jQuery is to use, why not 
> show people how it compares to other libraries?
>  
> Pick 5 or 10 things fairly common things, then show the code for each 
> framework.
>  
>Here's how Prototype does it
>Here's how Moo.fx does it
>Here's how Dojo does it
> etc.
>  
> And make them real world stuff, not just uncommon test cases. Then 
> people can instantly see that jQuery results in less code, and that it's 
> easier.

I don't like the idea of such heavy comparison. It could create the idea 
of like "What kind of problem do these jQuery guys have with all the 
other libraries", know what I mean?

Let jQuery speak for itself. A programmer who has used some of the other 
libraries will see the difference.

And for JavaScript newbies make an example script the JavaScript/DOM way 
and compare that with a jQuery one-liner. Now that would be impressive.


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[Jörn Zaefferer]

Alex Cook schrieb:
> Did anyone ever see that 'Learn Ruby in 15 Minutes' app that floated
> around prolly a year ago now?
>
> http://tryruby.hobix.com/
>
> I've been poking at trying to do something similar for jQuery.
> Hopefully this weekend I'll have something to share.
>   
Doing a screencast with some spoken explanation with some jQuery 
scripting on the firebug console could be a good introduction to jQuery. 
If you can script it on the console, you can script it everywhere!

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[Dragan Krstic]

Actually, we discuss same  stuff few weeks ago, and we where promised that
new jquery site will come very soon. Only thing new I saw that site is
havier to navigate (due to some content re-arrangment), there's no live
demos in docs, and there's no demo page, just folder content. The first demo
(accordion) doesn't work. AJAX demo is very static, etc, etc...

So, we have lot of errors, lot of bad navigation, and lot of developers in
love

Lets make contest for new slogan and for new first paragraph, and for new
site design and etc We can post all that contests on sitepoint and
similar sites (banner contest made lot of dust to fly around).

Beside I am emotional attached to jQuery logo, I think it needs slight
redesign.

For slogan> the sleekest JS, or > javascript on ease, or > makes things
happen, or> make things work, or> does your work, or make job done, etc...

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[Patrick Hall]

Hi folks,

What about some sort of interactive "about" or "quick tour" page? I
imagine something like this:

The page loads with a simple jQuery logo. When you click it (or after
a short wait if the user can't figure out how to click ;-] ) a
div#info slideDown()s containing a short description, I dunno,
something like:

"jQuery is the
* coolest
* most concise
* most capable
* most intuitive
Javascript library around!"

Or something. =]

Simultaneously, on the left the code which called the effect appears:

$(document).ready(function(){ $('#info').slideDown() } ) ;

The starred elements in that list would be a , and then that could
be used to demonstrate selectors:

"jQuery makes it a snap to [select] elements and then [change them] in
a way that will be familiar to anyone who knows CSS!"

[select] is a link, which shows code like: $('ul') in the code panel.
[change] is another link, which will convert that list from a  to
an ...

And so on -- plugins could be demonstrated, Ajax stuff, whatever.

It seems to me that something like that would be a great way to show
off what jQuery can do, in an interesting, memorable way that newbies
might actually feel compelled to click all the way through.

my dos centavos =]


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[Jonathan Sharp]

jQuery - DOM'inated


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[Andy Matthews]

I'd have to agree with everything that Glen says, and I'd add something.

Instead of just showing how powerful and easy jQuery is to use, why not show
people how it compares to other libraries?

Pick 5 or 10 things fairly common things, then show the code for each
framework.

   Here's how Prototype does it
   Here's how Moo.fx does it
   Here's how Dojo does it
etc.

And make them real world stuff, not just uncommon test cases. Then people
can instantly see that jQuery results in less code, and that it's easier.


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  Subject: Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery


  Suggestions from the information architect in me:

  1. Get a global navigation,  The links at the bottom are not natural.  At
the top, in big buttons horizontal.
   a. Home
   b. Samples
   c. Plugins
   d. Support
   e. Download
   f. Blog

  a. Home
  This page should say what it is and have a quick example or two.  Also,
it's cool to put sites up that use it.  Reduces the guinea pig factor.  The
current page might be too long.  One of the things I thought was REALLY
compelling was the "every other row a different color" comparrison chart.
Maybe have a link on the homepage saying, "See how jQuery stands up to other
frameworks".

  b. Samples
  These should have LOTS of samples. Lots and lots of examples, organized
into different categories.  Samples make adopting a framework much easier.
Maybe make a sample search.  Each sample should say which version of
jQuery/plugins it uses.

  c. Plugins.  Take a page from Mozilla in how they handle plugins.  Each
plugin has a standard page.  The big long list was good for a while, but
jQuery has outgrown it.  Move to a bigger architecture for it.

  d. Support
  Documentation, FAQ's, Mailing List, Nabble Links etc etc etc.

  e. Download
  The download tool and subversion and all the plugins.  It is really
important to have simple and clear changelogs for all the software organized
well with version numbers.

  Taglines are good, but nothing beats Information Architecture to get
people to understand.  I do this sort of thing for a living, so this isn't
preference or opinion.  Additionally, a visual design update would make
jQuery look a little more buttoned up.

  Hope this helps
  Glen
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[Dragan Krstic]

I like this one:
*Cons*

  - New toolkit
  - Small community
  - Minimal documentation

:) Guys made in depth analyse

2006/12/7, Sean O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



Hey Rey,


Someone posted an alternate comparison in the comments that did feature
jQuery:
http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/Javascript+Toolkit+Comparison

However, they gave it one star for "widgets"!  Huh? What?  Did this person
not even take a brief glance at the Plugins page?  And developer community
got a measly 2 stars.  They obviously don't know about this list, and
didn't
bother to look.  Perhaps the forthcoming (?) forums will help
exposure.  At
least the Nabble interface gets some jquery-ish keywords out there...


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[Solid Source]

I think another point to add to my previous novel is that JQuery should
present itself as it is without regard to some of the traditional mainstays
of "if you have product a you have to market the b way".

The idea behind JQuery is what makes it important and useful. If the idea
itself is promoted, and it is made obvious through the communications with
the outside world that this IS an important and useful idea for others,
people will naturally gravitate towards the it. JQuery - 'The way JavaScript
should be' ... the communications/marketing will stand out just like the
concept does.


Solid Source wrote:
> 
> Of particular importance to JQuery I believe is finding a way to help
> developers understand VERY OBVIOUSLY that this is not another
> Prototype/Dojo///, but rather a very different way to address the issue of
> DOM interaction in a concise not overly verbose manner. I have used every
> major(and minor for that matter) lib out there for various projects/apps
> and I am absolutely committed to JQuery after all my experimenting.
> 
> You all know why ... :)
> 
> The only reason it took so long for me to convert was that I saw JQuery
> initially as just another lib. JQuery was less publicized at the time and
> that made for easy oversight of it's true value.
> 
> If you/we find a way to make it obvious at first glance(wherever the first
> glance lives) what we have here is special in a way you haven't
> experienced yet in your libquest(s), along with a very concise and
> simple(layman's terms) why, I feel this would be a huge benefit.
> 
> So I pointed out a problem so here's a few ideas/solutions:
> 
> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
> lines of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
> 
> 2. The jquery.com homepage has this text as the first paragraph at the
> top, "jQuery is a new type of Javascript library. It is not a huge,
> bloated framework promising the best in AJAX - nor is it just a set of
> needlessly complex enhancements - jQuery is designed to change the way
> that you write Javascript.". Along with the first section heading, "What
> is jQuery?".
> 
> Why did this not sink in for me the first few times I visited the site?
> I'll choose some libraries that I have used in the past, before
> converting, and break out their home pages ...
> 1. dojo: "Dojo is the Open Source JavaScript toolkit that makes
> professional web development better, easier, and faster."
> 2. prototype: "Prototype is a JavaScript framework that aims to ease
> development of dynamic web applications"
> 3. scriptaculous/proto: "script.aculo.us provides you with easy-to-use,
> cross-browser user interface JavaScript libraries to make your web sites
> and web applications fly."
> 4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one
> 5. rico: "An open-source JavaScript library for creating rich internet
> applications. Rico provides full AJAX support, drag and drop management
> and a cinematic effects library."
> 
> commonalities: they all make JavaScript development better, easier, and
> faster of course :). This was what stuck everytime I crawled the web for a
> new library, so I was looking unconsciously for something to stand out
> other than the obvious.
> 
> I think the JQuery homepage explanation is very honest, but it "sounded"
> like it was going to make my development better, easier, and faster. I
> didn't want to spend the time(I hit JQuery after proto,script,mochi,rico)
> to try yet another lib, especially if it is less known - probably meaning
> rel. cycles are low, community is small, plug ins obsolete. I might have
> taken the time if I had somehow "got it" without having to dig around a
> commit a lot of time. So ... long winded point comes ... if the homepage
> featured very little text describing JQuery, and a lot more functional
> concise examples, and talk of community, plugins, etc ... I think the
> segways from what do I need, to hey that looks nice, to let me try that
> with my problem, to why didn't I start using this sooner mean new JQuery
> users faster.
> 
> closing example: JQuery homepage-marketing landing page
> 
> JQuery - "some catchy, maybe slightly off topic phrase" - remember Mochi -
> "Makes JavaScript suck less."
> 
> example
> brief expl. 1 $() method, maybe - why is this different than prototype?
> 
> brief how
> dom manipulation example 1 - link to demos
> 
> brief how
> effects example 1 - link to demos
> 
> brief how
> dom manipulation example 2 - link to demos
> 
>  - start hitting the what and whys of JQ
> 
> brief how
> .get() - .post() - .load() example 1 - link to demos
> 
> ...
> 
> ...
> 
>  - really get into the what and whys of JQ
> 
> Thinking out loud here :).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thumblewend wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rey,
>> This is slightly off-topic of me but I'm not sure how else to get in  
>> contact with you. I just want you to know that I replied to your  
>> d

Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Dave Methvin]

> I liked Dave's (or was it Dan - cannot find it anymore) 
> quite recent quote. Something like:
>
> jQuery - makes JavaScript as short as if it read your mind.

It was this thread:
http://www.nabble.com/Change-href-of-external-links-tf2718387.html#a7627703

"You start with 10 lines of jQuery that would have been 20 lines of 
tedious DOM Javascript. By the time you are done it's down to two or 
three lines and it couldn't get any shorter unless it read your mind."  

The brevity of jQuery is definitely an important point. I wouldn't emphasize
$() anything because so many frameworks use it nowadays. The method chaining
is the difference that makes jQuery so powerful.


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[Glen Lipka]

Suggestions from the information architect in me:

1. Get a global navigation,  The links at the bottom are not natural.  At
the top, in big buttons horizontal.
a. Home
b. Samples
c. Plugins
d. Support
e. Download
f. Blog

a. Home
This page should say what it is and have a quick example or two.  Also, it's
cool to put sites up that use it.  Reduces the guinea pig factor.  The
current page might be too long.  One of the things I thought was REALLY
compelling was the "every other row a different color" comparrison chart.
Maybe have a link on the homepage saying, "See how jQuery stands up to other
frameworks".

b. Samples
These should have LOTS of samples. Lots and lots of examples, organized into
different categories.  Samples make adopting a framework much easier.  Maybe
make a sample search.  Each sample should say which version of
jQuery/plugins it uses.

c. Plugins.  Take a page from Mozilla in how they handle plugins.  Each
plugin has a standard page.  The big long list was good for a while, but
jQuery has outgrown it.  Move to a bigger architecture for it.

d. Support
Documentation, FAQ's, Mailing List, Nabble Links etc etc etc.

e. Download
The download tool and subversion and all the plugins.  It is really
important to have simple and clear changelogs for all the software organized
well with version numbers.

Taglines are good, but nothing beats Information Architecture to get people
to understand.  I do this sort of thing for a living, so this isn't
preference or opinion.  Additionally, a visual design update would make
jQuery look a little more buttoned up.

Hope this helps
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[Alex Cook]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Sharp
Subject: Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

jQuery: $("quick elegant javascript")

-js

-

THAT has some promise actually... 


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[Klaus Hartl]

Jonathan Sharp schrieb:
> On 12/7/06, *Solid Source* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along
> the lines
> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
> 
> 
> jQuery: $("quick elegant javascript")

Hehe

jQuery - not only thinks it is new wave.


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[Jonathan Sharp]

On 12/7/06, Solid Source <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
lines
of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)



jQuery: $("quick elegant javascript")

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[Klaus Hartl]

Brian Miller schrieb:
> Keep in mind that Bob Ippolito is a Python guru, and he specifically wrote
> mochikit to make JS behave a bit more like Python.  To him, any language
> sucks if it uses C-family idioms.  :)
> 
> We can choose to be more positive, using a phrase like, "Makes programming
> Web 2.0 fun!"  Or, something.
> 
> - Brian

I liked Dave's (or was it Dan - cannot find it anymore) quite recent 
quote. Something like:

jQuery - makes JavaScript as short as if it read your mind.


Um, I shouldn't become a marketing texter :-)

Dan/Dave, Please recap!


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[Christopher Jordan]

Subway wrote:
> In the page footer, yes (and linked inside the frontpage text), but there
> should be a real menu near the top of the page. I honestly didn't see those
> footer "menu" links the first few days I started with jQuery.
>
> Fredi
>   

I didn't see them for the first few days either. I think they're oddly 
placed. They should be more prominent. ]

Chris

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[Subway]

Chris Domigan wrote:
> 
>> 1. There really should be a main menu on the frontpage (Download,
>> Documentation, Community, Plugins, Tutorials ...)
> 
> I believe there is.
> 

In the page footer, yes (and linked inside the frontpage text), but there
should be a real menu near the top of the page. I honestly didn't see those
footer "menu" links the first few days I started with jQuery.

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[Brian Miller]

Keep in mind that Bob Ippolito is a Python guru, and he specifically wrote
mochikit to make JS behave a bit more like Python.  To him, any language
sucks if it uses C-family idioms.  :)

We can choose to be more positive, using a phrase like, "Makes programming
Web 2.0 fun!"  Or, something.

- Brian


>> 4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one
>
> First I liked it too, after I thought about it, I don't like the
> attitude. Who said, JavaScript sucks...? I wouldn't want to program in a
> language that I think it sucks, with or without an API.
>
> I'm really wondering if the gurus think that JavaScript sucks?
>
>
>
> -- Klaus



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[Chris Domigan]

1. There really should be a main menu on the frontpage (Download,
Documentation, Community, Plugins, Tutorials ...)



I believe there is.

2. A page where jQuery code is compared to code of other libs (real world

examples)



The blog has 2 or 3 comparisons like this, but they probably need to have a
home on the "main" site too.

3. jQuery Site/Project of the week on the frontpage ... and maybe plugin of

the week



Excellent idea!

I understand a new site is in the works anyway - anyone know if any of these
suggestions are to be featured?

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[Rey Bango]

Hey everyone, great feedback. I'm planning on aggregating all of your 
suggestions and presenting them to John to see how the jQuery effort can 
  be better promoted. I'll be back on Monday and will collect all your 
suggestions and then send out an email for everyone to check out.

Keep the suggestions flowing so that jQuery can get the exposure it 
truly deserves.

Rey

Subway wrote:
> 
> Rey Bango-2 wrote:
>> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure. 
> 
> My inbox says yes. ;-)
> 
> My two cents:
> 
> 1. There really should be a main menu on the frontpage (Download,
> Documentation, Community, Plugins, Tutorials ...)
> 2. A page where jQuery code is compared to code of other libs (real world
> examples)
> 3. jQuery Site/Project of the week on the frontpage ... and maybe plugin of
> the week
> 
> Fredi

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[Rey Bango]

Hey Joel,

I'm out of town (I'm replying from the airport) and will be back on Monday.

I'm definitely interested and will buzz you when I get back into town. 
I'm sorry I didn't get your reply and will provide you with a couple of 
emails in case your replies are getting caught by my filters.

Thanks for following up.

Rey...

Joel Birch wrote:
> Hi Rey,
> This is slightly off-topic of me but I'm not sure how else to get in  
> contact with you. I just want you to know that I replied to your  
> direct email a few weeks ago (regarding the case study), but I think  
> my email didn't get past your junk filter. Please advise if you are  
> still interested, and maybe add my email to your address book so I  
> get through to you.
> Sorry for this email everyone else, please forgive me.
> 
> Joel Birch.
> 
> On 08/12/2006, at 12:45 AM, Rey Bango wrote:
> 
>> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
> 
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[Subway]

Rey Bango-2 wrote:
> 
> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure. 

My inbox says yes. ;-)

My two cents:

1. There really should be a main menu on the frontpage (Download,
Documentation, Community, Plugins, Tutorials ...)
2. A page where jQuery code is compared to code of other libs (real world
examples)
3. jQuery Site/Project of the week on the frontpage ... and maybe plugin of
the week

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[Solid Source]

Absolutely!

Current events, recent library additions, recent links from digg/techn, dev
snapshots, who uses Jquery!! (what sites etc ...) etc etc. would definitely
raise the visibility of how active the community and development is.


digital spaghetti wrote:
> 
> I agree with a lot of what you are saying.  The jQuery site, though a
> useful tool is a little dull and as you say doesn't tell you how
> "fresh" things are.
> 
> I think a leaf could be taken out of what some other communities on
> the web do and look at making the jQuery homepage more like a
> community hub, and less like a "this is jQuery" page.
> 
> A few additional ideas to what I had before:
> 
> Have a "today" box telling you all the freshest information such as
> current build of jQuery, latest/updated plugins, links to tutorials
> for beginners on the front page, clearer nacvigation.
> 
> Tane
> http://digitalspaghetti.me.uk
> 
> On 12/7/06, Solid Source <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Of particular importance to JQuery I believe is finding a way to help
>> developers understand VERY OBVIOUSLY that this is not another
>> Prototype/Dojo///, but rather a very different way to address the issue
>> of
>> DOM interaction in a concise not overly verbose manner. I have used every
>> major(and minor for that matter) lib out there for various projects/apps
>> and
>> I am absolutely committed to JQuery after all my experimenting.
>>
>> You all know why ... :)
>>
>> The only reason it took so long for me to convert was that I saw JQuery
>> initially as just another lib. JQuery was less publicized at the time and
>> that made for easy oversight of it's true value.
>>
>> If you/we find a way to make it obvious at first glance(wherever the
>> first
>> glance lives) what we have here is special in a way you haven't
>> experienced
>> yet in your libquest(s), along with a very concise and simple(layman's
>> terms) why, I feel this would be a huge benefit.
>>
>> So I pointed out a problem so here's a few ideas/solutions:
>>
>> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the
>> lines
>> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
>> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
>>
>> 2. The jquery.com homepage has this text as the first paragraph at the
>> top,
>> "jQuery is a new type of Javascript library. It is not a huge, bloated
>> framework promising the best in AJAX - nor is it just a set of needlessly
>> complex enhancements - jQuery is designed to change the way that you
>> write
>> Javascript.". Along with the first section heading, "What is jQuery?".
>>
>> Why did this not sink in for me the first few times I visited the site?
>> I'll
>> choose some libraries that I have used in the past, before converting,
>> and
>> break out their home pages ...
>> 1. dojo: "Dojo is the Open Source JavaScript toolkit that makes
>> professional
>> web development better, easier, and faster."
>> 2. prototype: "Prototype is a JavaScript framework that aims to ease
>> development of dynamic web applications"
>> 3. scriptaculous/proto: "script.aculo.us provides you with easy-to-use,
>> cross-browser user interface JavaScript libraries to make your web sites
>> and
>> web applications fly."
>> 4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one
>> 5. rico: "An open-source JavaScript library for creating rich internet
>> applications. Rico provides full AJAX support, drag and drop management
>> and
>> a cinematic effects library."
>>
>> commonalities: they all make JavaScript development better, easier, and
>> faster of course :). This was what stuck everytime I crawled the web for
>> a
>> new library, so I was looking unconsciously for something to stand out
>> other
>> than the obvious.
>>
>> I think the JQuery homepage explanation is very honest, but it "sounded"
>> like it was going to make my development better, easier, and faster. I
>> didn't want to spend the time(I hit JQuery after proto,script,mochi,rico)
>> to
>> try yet another lib, especially if it is less known - probably meaning
>> rel.
>> cycles are low, community is small, plug ins obsolete. I might have taken
>> the time if I had somehow "got it" without having to dig around a commit
>> a
>> lot of time. So ... long winded point comes ... if the homepage featured
>> very little text describing JQuery, and a lot more functional concise
>> examples, and talk of community, plugins, etc ... I think the segways
>> from
>> what do I need, to hey that looks nice, to let me try that with my
>> problem,
>> to why didn't I start using this sooner mean new JQuery users faster.
>>
>> closing example: JQuery homepage-marketing landing page
>>
>> JQuery - "some catchy, maybe slightly off topic phrase" - remember Mochi
>> -
>> "Makes JavaScript suck less."
>>
>> example
>> brief expl. 1 $() method, maybe - why is this different than prototype?
>>
>> brief how
>> dom manipulation example 1 - link to demos
>>
>> brief how
>> effects example 1 - link to demos

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[Solid Source]

Every Java/PHP/etc developer I have ever met hates interaction with the DOM
via javascript, mostly because each browser has it's quirks and things in
the JavaScript/DOM interaction don't work as consistently as say type
casting a variable in Java/PHP - when you write public String myVar = "my
value"; it always works, when you want to position a positioned, nested,
floated, absolutely positioned element for a menu via JavaScript/DOM ... you
see what I mean :).

I guess what Mochi could say to be more accurate is "Makes interacting with
the client side suck less", but I guess substituting JavaScript makes more
sense to a broader audience?


Klaus Hartl-3 wrote:
> 
> 
>> 4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one
> 
> First I liked it too, after I thought about it, I don't like the 
> attitude. Who said, JavaScript sucks...? I wouldn't want to program in a 
> language that I think it sucks, with or without an API.
> 
> I'm really wondering if the gurus think that JavaScript sucks?
> 
> 
> 
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[Klaus Hartl]

digital spaghetti schrieb:
> Here is some notes I took on my blackberry.  Sometimes I just get
> ideas like this and like to take them down.  It's for getjquery.com
> which could be a great way to promote the library.

I like that idea very much! getwhatever.com seems to become a quasi 
standard for these kind of pages, think of the new getfirebug.com...

ha, gettabsplugin.com ;-)


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[Klaus Hartl]

> 4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one

First I liked it too, after I thought about it, I don't like the 
attitude. Who said, JavaScript sucks...? I wouldn't want to program in a 
language that I think it sucks, with or without an API.

I'm really wondering if the gurus think that JavaScript sucks?



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[digital spaghetti]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying.  The jQuery site, though a
useful tool is a little dull and as you say doesn't tell you how
"fresh" things are.

I think a leaf could be taken out of what some other communities on
the web do and look at making the jQuery homepage more like a
community hub, and less like a "this is jQuery" page.

A few additional ideas to what I had before:

Have a "today" box telling you all the freshest information such as
current build of jQuery, latest/updated plugins, links to tutorials
for beginners on the front page, clearer nacvigation.

Tane
http://digitalspaghetti.me.uk

On 12/7/06, Solid Source <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of particular importance to JQuery I believe is finding a way to help
> developers understand VERY OBVIOUSLY that this is not another
> Prototype/Dojo///, but rather a very different way to address the issue of
> DOM interaction in a concise not overly verbose manner. I have used every
> major(and minor for that matter) lib out there for various projects/apps and
> I am absolutely committed to JQuery after all my experimenting.
>
> You all know why ... :)
>
> The only reason it took so long for me to convert was that I saw JQuery
> initially as just another lib. JQuery was less publicized at the time and
> that made for easy oversight of it's true value.
>
> If you/we find a way to make it obvious at first glance(wherever the first
> glance lives) what we have here is special in a way you haven't experienced
> yet in your libquest(s), along with a very concise and simple(layman's
> terms) why, I feel this would be a huge benefit.
>
> So I pointed out a problem so here's a few ideas/solutions:
>
> 1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the lines
> of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
> Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)
>
> 2. The jquery.com homepage has this text as the first paragraph at the top,
> "jQuery is a new type of Javascript library. It is not a huge, bloated
> framework promising the best in AJAX - nor is it just a set of needlessly
> complex enhancements - jQuery is designed to change the way that you write
> Javascript.". Along with the first section heading, "What is jQuery?".
>
> Why did this not sink in for me the first few times I visited the site? I'll
> choose some libraries that I have used in the past, before converting, and
> break out their home pages ...
> 1. dojo: "Dojo is the Open Source JavaScript toolkit that makes professional
> web development better, easier, and faster."
> 2. prototype: "Prototype is a JavaScript framework that aims to ease
> development of dynamic web applications"
> 3. scriptaculous/proto: "script.aculo.us provides you with easy-to-use,
> cross-browser user interface JavaScript libraries to make your web sites and
> web applications fly."
> 4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one
> 5. rico: "An open-source JavaScript library for creating rich internet
> applications. Rico provides full AJAX support, drag and drop management and
> a cinematic effects library."
>
> commonalities: they all make JavaScript development better, easier, and
> faster of course :). This was what stuck everytime I crawled the web for a
> new library, so I was looking unconsciously for something to stand out other
> than the obvious.
>
> I think the JQuery homepage explanation is very honest, but it "sounded"
> like it was going to make my development better, easier, and faster. I
> didn't want to spend the time(I hit JQuery after proto,script,mochi,rico) to
> try yet another lib, especially if it is less known - probably meaning rel.
> cycles are low, community is small, plug ins obsolete. I might have taken
> the time if I had somehow "got it" without having to dig around a commit a
> lot of time. So ... long winded point comes ... if the homepage featured
> very little text describing JQuery, and a lot more functional concise
> examples, and talk of community, plugins, etc ... I think the segways from
> what do I need, to hey that looks nice, to let me try that with my problem,
> to why didn't I start using this sooner mean new JQuery users faster.
>
> closing example: JQuery homepage-marketing landing page
>
> JQuery - "some catchy, maybe slightly off topic phrase" - remember Mochi -
> "Makes JavaScript suck less."
>
> example
> brief expl. 1 $() method, maybe - why is this different than prototype?
>
> brief how
> dom manipulation example 1 - link to demos
>
> brief how
> effects example 1 - link to demos
>
> brief how
> dom manipulation example 2 - link to demos
>
>  - start hitting the what and whys of JQ
>
> brief how
> .get() - .post() - .load() example 1 - link to demos
>
> ...
>
> ...
>
>  - really get into the what and whys of JQ
>
> Thinking out loud here :).
>
>
>
>
> thumblewend wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rey,
> > This is slightly off-topic of me but I'm not sure how else to get in
> > contact with you. I just want you to know that I

Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Solid Source]

Of particular importance to JQuery I believe is finding a way to help
developers understand VERY OBVIOUSLY that this is not another
Prototype/Dojo///, but rather a very different way to address the issue of
DOM interaction in a concise not overly verbose manner. I have used every
major(and minor for that matter) lib out there for various projects/apps and
I am absolutely committed to JQuery after all my experimenting.

You all know why ... :)

The only reason it took so long for me to convert was that I saw JQuery
initially as just another lib. JQuery was less publicized at the time and
that made for easy oversight of it's true value.

If you/we find a way to make it obvious at first glance(wherever the first
glance lives) what we have here is special in a way you haven't experienced
yet in your libquest(s), along with a very concise and simple(layman's
terms) why, I feel this would be a huge benefit.

So I pointed out a problem so here's a few ideas/solutions:

1. Change the slogan "New Wave Javascript" to something more along the lines
of explaining what it does or how it does it rather than what it is.
Everyone thinks they are new wave right? :)

2. The jquery.com homepage has this text as the first paragraph at the top,
"jQuery is a new type of Javascript library. It is not a huge, bloated
framework promising the best in AJAX - nor is it just a set of needlessly
complex enhancements - jQuery is designed to change the way that you write
Javascript.". Along with the first section heading, "What is jQuery?".

Why did this not sink in for me the first few times I visited the site? I'll
choose some libraries that I have used in the past, before converting, and
break out their home pages ...
1. dojo: "Dojo is the Open Source JavaScript toolkit that makes professional
web development better, easier, and faster."
2. prototype: "Prototype is a JavaScript framework that aims to ease
development of dynamic web applications"
3. scriptaculous/proto: "script.aculo.us provides you with easy-to-use,
cross-browser user interface JavaScript libraries to make your web sites and
web applications fly."
4. mochikit: "Makes JavaScript suck less." - I love this one
5. rico: "An open-source JavaScript library for creating rich internet
applications. Rico provides full AJAX support, drag and drop management and
a cinematic effects library."

commonalities: they all make JavaScript development better, easier, and
faster of course :). This was what stuck everytime I crawled the web for a
new library, so I was looking unconsciously for something to stand out other
than the obvious.

I think the JQuery homepage explanation is very honest, but it "sounded"
like it was going to make my development better, easier, and faster. I
didn't want to spend the time(I hit JQuery after proto,script,mochi,rico) to
try yet another lib, especially if it is less known - probably meaning rel.
cycles are low, community is small, plug ins obsolete. I might have taken
the time if I had somehow "got it" without having to dig around a commit a
lot of time. So ... long winded point comes ... if the homepage featured
very little text describing JQuery, and a lot more functional concise
examples, and talk of community, plugins, etc ... I think the segways from
what do I need, to hey that looks nice, to let me try that with my problem,
to why didn't I start using this sooner mean new JQuery users faster.

closing example: JQuery homepage-marketing landing page

JQuery - "some catchy, maybe slightly off topic phrase" - remember Mochi -
"Makes JavaScript suck less."

example
brief expl. 1 $() method, maybe - why is this different than prototype?

brief how
dom manipulation example 1 - link to demos

brief how
effects example 1 - link to demos

brief how
dom manipulation example 2 - link to demos

 - start hitting the what and whys of JQ

brief how
.get() - .post() - .load() example 1 - link to demos

...

...

 - really get into the what and whys of JQ

Thinking out loud here :).




thumblewend wrote:
> 
> Hi Rey,
> This is slightly off-topic of me but I'm not sure how else to get in  
> contact with you. I just want you to know that I replied to your  
> direct email a few weeks ago (regarding the case study), but I think  
> my email didn't get past your junk filter. Please advise if you are  
> still interested, and maybe add my email to your address book so I  
> get through to you.
> Sorry for this email everyone else, please forgive me.
> 
> Joel Birch.
> 
> On 08/12/2006, at 12:45 AM, Rey Bango wrote:
> 
>> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
> 
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Re: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Alex Cook]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rey Bango
Subject: [jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

The reason that I'm posting this is to encourage everyone to be 
pro-active in approaching the top names in your respective areas and 
development tools and telling them about jQuery. It seems that many 
folks either don't know about jQuery or have a misconception about what 
it does. In my Joe thought it was just some javascript library until he 
actually saw the plugins and functionality included in it.

--

Did anyone ever see that 'Learn Ruby in 15 Minutes' app that floated
around prolly a year ago now?

http://tryruby.hobix.com/

I've been poking at trying to do something similar for jQuery.
Hopefully this weekend I'll have something to share.

-ALEX

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[Edwin Martin]

Rey Bango wrote:
> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
>   
I think it would be a good idea to have jQuery on sites like gotapi.com.

They're open for contributions (code, that is).

Site: http://www.gotapi.com/

How to contribute your API: http://www.gotapi.com/contribute/index.html

Edwin Martin (jquery-enthousiast since a week).

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[digital spaghetti]

Here is some notes I took on my blackberry.  Sometimes I just get
ideas like this and like to take them down.  It's for getjquery.com
which could be a great way to promote the library.

Getjquery.org site ideas:

Create a site in a similar vein to getfirefox.org, promoting the
features and values of the Jquery library.

The site is build aroud x ideas:
- what is jQuery? (Introduction and Faq)
- jQuery in action (both onsite and offsite), jQuery in the press.
- get jQuery (offer several downloads I.e. Lite, developer and roll-your-own)
- jQuery tutorials (onsite, offsite, video and podcasts)
- your jQuery - user submission such as sites running jQuery, code
snipits, photos (conferences, sillyness, etc).
- jQuery swag - t-shirts, mugs, mouse mats, etc.
- support us - donations

Site runs on Drupal, with modulles to build a community site, get
advocates od jQuery from the mailing list to contribute to design and
function, come up with unique content for site. Look at either
creating a tour in flash, or someone write it in jQuery (to show the
power!!)

Aim of the site is to raise awareness and take up of the jQuery
library. Show that some big sites (technorati, drupal) are using
jQuery, get quotes and soundbites and plaster them on the site.

Create a central pot of funds for running hosting, getting advertising
and donating to jQuery related projects. Possibly offer awards for
excellent projects decided by a panel.  Could also go towards funding
speakers at events to promote jQuery.

Feel free to expand on this, or just ignore it but I thought I'd throw
it into the pot.

Tane
http://digitalspaghetti.me.uk

On 12/7/06, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.
> Part of that is pro-actively approaching Ajax notables in the ColdFusion
> community in an effort to get them to give some face time to jQuery.
> Well I'm happy to announce that it looks like I've converted one of the
> notables in the ColdFusion community; Joe Danziger. Joe's written
> several articles on Ajax primarily focusing on Prototype/Scriptaculous
> with ColdFusion. You can read about it here as well as his comments
> about jQuery:
>
> http://www.reybango.com/index.cfm/2006/12/6/Why-jQuery-Rocks-or-How-I-Got-Joe-Danziger-to-Convert
>
> The reason that I'm posting this is to encourage everyone to be
> pro-active in approaching the top names in your respective areas and
> development tools and telling them about jQuery. It seems that many
> folks either don't know about jQuery or have a misconception about what
> it does. In my Joe thought it was just some javascript library until he
> actually saw the plugins and functionality included in it.
>
> I was fairly disappointed not seeing jQuery mentioned in this recent
> comparison:
>
> http://www.dzone.com/rsslinks/an_open_source_ajax_comparison_matrix.html
>
> so I'm going to continue to push hard to get the word out. I hope
> everyone joins me in those efforts.
>
> If you see Joe on this mailing list, please make him feel at home. I've
> talked to him about writing another article for AjaxWorld about using
> jQuery with ColdFusion and he seems pretty excited about doing it.
>
> I will be out of town until Monday so if you reply to me and don't get a
> response back, I'll get back to you then.
>
> Rey...
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[Sean O]

Hey Rey,


Someone posted an alternate comparison in the comments that did feature
jQuery:
http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UP3/Javascript+Toolkit+Comparison

However, they gave it one star for "widgets"!  Huh? What?  Did this person
not even take a brief glance at the Plugins page?  And developer community
got a measly 2 stars.  They obviously don't know about this list, and didn't
bother to look.  Perhaps the forthcoming (?) forums will help exposure.  At
least the Nabble interface gets some jquery-ish keywords out there...


SEAN O




Rey Bango-2 wrote:
> 
> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure. 
> Part of that is pro-actively approaching Ajax notables in the ColdFusion 
> community in an effort to get them to give some face time to jQuery. 
> Well I'm happy to announce that it looks like I've converted one of the 
> notables in the ColdFusion community; Joe Danziger. Joe's written 
> several articles on Ajax primarily focusing on Prototype/Scriptaculous 
> with ColdFusion. You can read about it here as well as his comments 
> about jQuery:
> 
> http://www.reybango.com/index.cfm/2006/12/6/Why-jQuery-Rocks-or-How-I-Got-Joe-Danziger-to-Convert
> 
> The reason that I'm posting this is to encourage everyone to be 
> pro-active in approaching the top names in your respective areas and 
> development tools and telling them about jQuery. It seems that many 
> folks either don't know about jQuery or have a misconception about what 
> it does. In my Joe thought it was just some javascript library until he 
> actually saw the plugins and functionality included in it.
> 
> I was fairly disappointed not seeing jQuery mentioned in this recent 
> comparison:
> 
> http://www.dzone.com/rsslinks/an_open_source_ajax_comparison_matrix.html
> 
> so I'm going to continue to push hard to get the word out. I hope 
> everyone joins me in those efforts.
> 
> If you see Joe on this mailing list, please make him feel at home. I've 
> talked to him about writing another article for AjaxWorld about using 
> jQuery with ColdFusion and he seems pretty excited about doing it.
> 
> I will be out of town until Monday so if you reply to me and don't get a 
> response back, I'll get back to you then.
> 
> Rey...
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[Joel Birch]

Hi Rey,
This is slightly off-topic of me but I'm not sure how else to get in  
contact with you. I just want you to know that I replied to your  
direct email a few weeks ago (regarding the case study), but I think  
my email didn't get past your junk filter. Please advise if you are  
still interested, and maybe add my email to your address book so I  
get through to you.
Sorry for this email everyone else, please forgive me.

Joel Birch.

On 08/12/2006, at 12:45 AM, Rey Bango wrote:

> Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure.


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[jQuery] Efforts to Convert Folks to jQuery

[Rey Bango]

Guys, some of you may know of my efforts to get jQuery more exposure. 
Part of that is pro-actively approaching Ajax notables in the ColdFusion 
community in an effort to get them to give some face time to jQuery. 
Well I'm happy to announce that it looks like I've converted one of the 
notables in the ColdFusion community; Joe Danziger. Joe's written 
several articles on Ajax primarily focusing on Prototype/Scriptaculous 
with ColdFusion. You can read about it here as well as his comments 
about jQuery:

http://www.reybango.com/index.cfm/2006/12/6/Why-jQuery-Rocks-or-How-I-Got-Joe-Danziger-to-Convert

The reason that I'm posting this is to encourage everyone to be 
pro-active in approaching the top names in your respective areas and 
development tools and telling them about jQuery. It seems that many 
folks either don't know about jQuery or have a misconception about what 
it does. In my Joe thought it was just some javascript library until he 
actually saw the plugins and functionality included in it.

I was fairly disappointed not seeing jQuery mentioned in this recent 
comparison:

http://www.dzone.com/rsslinks/an_open_source_ajax_comparison_matrix.html

so I'm going to continue to push hard to get the word out. I hope 
everyone joins me in those efforts.

If you see Joe on this mailing list, please make him feel at home. I've 
talked to him about writing another article for AjaxWorld about using 
jQuery with ColdFusion and he seems pretty excited about doing it.

I will be out of town until Monday so if you reply to me and don't get a 
response back, I'll get back to you then.

Rey...
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