Re: [PSES] German Required on Product Label to Match China and Nordic for (GS) ?
Clause F.1 of 62368-1 says: /Unless symbols are used, safety related equipment marking, instructions and instructional safeguards shall be in a language accepted in the respective countries./ No doubt Germany expects German. On 2024-04-10 17:10, Charlie Blackham wrote: Rick I’m not expert on GS certification but Low Voltage Directive Article 6 required safety instructions to be in a suitable language 7. Manufacturers shall ensure that the electrical equipment is accompanied by instructions and safety information in a language which can be easily understood by consumers and other end-users, as determined by the Member State concerned. Such instructions and safety information, as well as any labelling, shall be clear, understandable and intelligible. There’s a similar requirement in RED article 10 and I’m not sure whether this document has been published for other Directives, but ADCO RED have published “National language requirements of the national implementation of the Radio Equipment Directive (RED 2014/53/EU)” , https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46453 Best regards Charlie** ** *Charlie Blackham* *Sulis Consultants Ltd* *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* *Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ * Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 *From:*Rick Linford *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2024 3:53 PM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] German Required on Product Label to Match China and Nordic for (GS) ? Dear EMC-PSTC Pros, Specific to ITE IEC 62368-1 type standards and German GS certification. (many power supplies and ITE product carry GS mark) Is German language required on products to match the text of other countries requirement to obtain German GS? And (not or) add a statement that non-German text is not important to Germany? China elevation and humidity waring is written into law and is very clear. Is there an equivalent German law and or specific German text? 仅适用于海拔2000米以下地区安全使用 仅适用于在非热带气候条件下安全使用 Nordic countries grounded plug warning, is specific to national differences in IEC 62368-1. I cannot find German equivalent in IEC 62368-1:2014, is it there? Apparaten skall anslutas till jordat uttag. Apparatet må tilkoples jordet stikkontakt. Laite on liitettävä suojamaadoituskoskettimilla varustettuun pistorasiaan. Standard does state to provide safety information and instruction in language of use and there is German law it must be in German. This has been the case for decades. A recent GS certification was held up until compliance with adding text. They are marking other countries requirements de facto German GS requirement. Already aware German GS is not a legal requirement and there many GS issuers. I would have expected PSTC to be lit up already, if this was a requirement applied to every manufacturer of ITE and AV with GS. Starts now, I guess. I am representing myself. I am not asking for any past, current or future employer. Linford@IEEE This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org To unsubscrib
Re: [PSES] German Required on Product Label to Match China and Nordic for (GS) ?
Rick I’m not expert on GS certification but Low Voltage Directive Article 6 required safety instructions to be in a suitable language 7. Manufacturers shall ensure that the electrical equipment is accompanied by instructions and safety information in a language which can be easily understood by consumers and other end-users, as determined by the Member State concerned. Such instructions and safety information, as well as any labelling, shall be clear, understandable and intelligible. There’s a similar requirement in RED article 10 and I’m not sure whether this document has been published for other Directives, but ADCO RED have published “National language requirements of the national implementation of the Radio Equipment Directive (RED 2014/53/EU)” , https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46453 Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Rick Linford Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 3:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] German Required on Product Label to Match China and Nordic for (GS) ? Dear EMC-PSTC Pros, Specific to ITE IEC 62368-1 type standards and German GS certification. (many power supplies and ITE product carry GS mark) Is German language required on products to match the text of other countries requirement to obtain German GS? And (not or) add a statement that non-German text is not important to Germany? China elevation and humidity waring is written into law and is very clear. Is there an equivalent German law and or specific German text? 仅适用于海拔2000米以下地区安全使用 仅适用于在非热带气候条件下安全使用 Nordic countries grounded plug warning, is specific to national differences in IEC 62368-1. I cannot find German equivalent in IEC 62368-1:2014, is it there? Apparaten skall anslutas till jordat uttag. Apparatet må tilkoples jordet stikkontakt. Laite on liitettävä suojamaadoituskoskettimilla varustettuun pistorasiaan. Standard does state to provide safety information and instruction in language of use and there is German law it must be in German. This has been the case for decades. A recent GS certification was held up until compliance with adding text. They are marking other countries requirements de facto German GS requirement. Already aware German GS is not a legal requirement and there many GS issuers. I would have expected PSTC to be lit up already, if this was a requirement applied to every manufacturer of ITE and AV with GS. Starts now, I guess. I am representing myself. I am not asking for any past, current or future employer. Linford@IEEE This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
[PSES] German Required on Product Label to Match China and Nordic for (GS) ?
Dear EMC-PSTC Pros, Specific to ITE IEC 62368-1 type standards and German GS certification. (many power supplies and ITE product carry GS mark) Is German language required on products to match the text of other countries requirement to obtain German GS? And (not or) add a statement that non-German text is not important to Germany? China elevation and humidity waring is written into law and is very clear. Is there an equivalent German law and or specific German text? 仅适用于海拔2000米以下地区安全使用 仅适用于在非热带气候条件下安全使用 Nordic countries grounded plug warning, is specific to national differences in IEC 62368-1. I cannot find German equivalent in IEC 62368-1:2014, is it there? Apparaten skall anslutas till jordat uttag. Apparatet må tilkoples jordet stikkontakt. Laite on liitettävä suojamaadoituskoskettimilla varustettuun pistorasiaan. Standard does state to provide safety information and instruction in language of use and there is German law it must be in German. This has been the case for decades. A recent GS certification was held up until compliance with adding text. They are marking other countries requirements de facto German GS requirement. Already aware German GS is not a legal requirement and there many GS issuers. I would have expected PSTC to be lit up already, if this was a requirement applied to every manufacturer of ITE and AV with GS. Starts now, I guess. I am representing myself. I am not asking for any past, current or future employer. Linford@IEEE - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
[PSES] China SRRC Certification
Dear Colleagues, Need help on China SRRC certification requirement. To get a license from SRRC China Radio Type Approval. One of the test items they need is a single carrier transmission method. Please help on how to do this test. Regards, Cecil Gittens - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
[PSES] AW: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
Hi Chuck, my understanding of the Chinese regulation for CCC is that it is only applicable to finished products that are listed in the catalogue (like an external switch mode power supply that may be brought to market as a separate product) or parts of finished products that are accessible to the end user (like cord and plug). Therefore I assume that CCC is not required for internal switch mode power supplies that are not accessible to the user during normal use. In case of doubt, I recommend to check with your local representative or distributor/importer in China. Kind regards, Bernd Von: Chuck August-McDowell Gesendet: Montag, 14. August 2023 16:26 An: Dürrer Bernd Betreff: RE: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. Thank you, Bernd. I suspected that is the law but had no citation to refer to. What about internal switch mode power supplies? Should they have CCC as it is a requirement for that category code? Respectfully, Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley Ca., 94702 USA Mobile 510-812-6277 Email chu...@meyersound.com<mailto:chu...@meyersound.com> From: Dürrer Bernd mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 2:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] AW: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China [THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER] Hi Doug, please be aware that line cords and plugs are subject to mandatory CCC certification in the People’s Republic of China (cf. CHINA QUALITY CERTIFICATION CENTRE-Notice and Bulletin (cqc.com.cn)<https://www.cqc.com.cn/www/english/c/2023-02-09/559801.shtml>). This means even if your product is exempt from mandatory CCC certification (i.e. is not included in the product catalogue cited in the web page), but has a cord and plug, these have to be CCC certified. Details on certification rules can be found at CHINA QUALITY CERTIFICATION CENTRE-Certification Scope and Rules (cqc.com.cn)<https://www.cqc.com.cn/www/english/c/2014-09-05/511131.shtml> and 康捷 (cqc.com.cn)<https://cqc.com.cn/www/chinese/rootfiles/2014/09/05/1409864510109129-1409864510261077.pdf>, that references Chinese standard GB 15934 which is the Chinese adoption of IEC 60799. Kind regards, Bernd Von: Douglas Powell mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 16:00 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Betreff: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com> LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: ht
[PSES] AW: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
Hi Doug, please be aware that line cords and plugs are subject to mandatory CCC certification in the People’s Republic of China (cf. CHINA QUALITY CERTIFICATION CENTRE-Notice and Bulletin (cqc.com.cn)<https://www.cqc.com.cn/www/english/c/2023-02-09/559801.shtml>). This means even if your product is exempt from mandatory CCC certification (i.e. is not included in the product catalogue cited in the web page), but has a cord and plug, these have to be CCC certified. Details on certification rules can be found at CHINA QUALITY CERTIFICATION CENTRE-Certification Scope and Rules (cqc.com.cn)<https://www.cqc.com.cn/www/english/c/2014-09-05/511131.shtml> and 康捷 (cqc.com.cn)<https://cqc.com.cn/www/chinese/rootfiles/2014/09/05/1409864510109129-1409864510261077.pdf>, that references Chinese standard GB 15934 which is the Chinese adoption of IEC 60799. Kind regards, Bernd Von: Douglas Powell Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 16:00 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com> LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 WILO SE Wilopark 1, 44263 Dortmund Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 21356 www.wilo.com Vorstand/Executive Board: Oliver Hermes (President & CEO), Dr. Patrick Niehr, Georg Weber, Mathias Weyers Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Lars Roßner Dieses Dokument ist vertraulich zu behandeln. Die Weitergabe sowie Vervielfaeltigung, Verwertung und Mitteilung seines Inhalts ist nur mit unserer ausdruecklichen Genehmigung gestattet. Alle Rechte vorbehalten, insbesondere fuer den Fall der Schutzrechtsanmeldung. This document has to be treated confidentially. Its contents are not to be passed on, duplicated, exploited or disclosed without our expressed permission. All rights reserved, especially the right to apply for protective rights. Datenschutz ist uns wichtig! Daher gehen wir sorgsam mit Ihren Daten um. Näheres finden Sie in u
Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
Yes, I have had China Customs open a shipment of 10 powered speakers and find one power cord was not from an approved manufacture on our critical components list. We were short one cord set so I had used an engineering sample… Had right plug and cordage, just not on our products components list. Customs returned the shipment to USA as non compliant. Chuck From: Ralph McDiarmid Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 6:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China [THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER] How would the customs folks in those countries check appliance line cords ? Do they open boxes, pull contents, and inspect? If the USA plug is not rated for higher voltage, does it really present a hazard ? (compliance vs safety) The USA/Canadian plugs have a LOTS of creepage distance between conductors. From: Douglas Powell mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 7:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com> LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the
Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
Manufacturers cannot side-step liability by claiming ignorance. The manufacture is solely responsible for any product they place on the market, with or without the correct power cord. From: Douglas Powell Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 7:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China I believe you are correct. Simply shipping the wrong cord types to certain locations is actually prohibited, and in general, including incorrect types could be viewed as endorsement of their use in other areas. A thing that should be simple, now gets complicated. On occasion, I've heard manufacturers say things like "I've heard of this but have no official knowledge that it's true", as a way to side step liability. I'm not certain this is considered a valid argument, should someone be injured. While it's convenient and sometimes cost effective to make shipping kits more generic, I usually recommend including in BOMs some indicator of the ISO Alpha-2 or ISO Alpha-3 country code and make kits so the correct materials are included for the location involved. I find that, although seemingly simple, it's very easy to get tripped up over such matters. I've also had difficulty in the past with multi-language labeling, i.e. combined language labels. In certain countries people become offended if the wrong language is on products along side their own language. In this case I'm thinking of a 4-language label I once used. Best regards, Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 8:27 AM Chas Grasso mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com> > wrote: Hello Doug - Wow I had no idea that this issue existed. Thanks for bringing it up! As I understand that the inclusion of incorrect cords in a package spreads the incorrect conclusion that ALL of the cords are suitable for use. Did I get that right? On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 8:00 AM Douglas Powell mailto:doug...@gmail.com> > wrote: This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: doug...@gmail.com <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> _ All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> doug...@gmail.com <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> LinkedIn (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC
Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
How would the customs folks in those countries check appliance line cords ? Do they open boxes, pull contents, and inspect? If the USA plug is not rated for higher voltage, does it really present a hazard ? (compliance vs safety) The USA/Canadian plugs have a LOTS of creepage distance between conductors. From: Douglas Powell Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 7:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> doug...@gmail.com <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> LinkedIn (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
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Yes, I did find this topic on the EMC-PSTC archive. And yet it seems to come up over and over. Best regards, Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:39 AM John Woodgate wrote: > I seem to remember this subject being extensively discussed about two > years ago. The bans on 'alien' cords are indeed enforced, and some > authorities were extremely unhelpful in finding solutions, e.g. not > allowing products to be shipped without cords, which were added in the > country of destination. Some contributed solutions for specific countries > that were found to work. > On 2023-08-11 15:52, Douglas Powell wrote: > > I believe you are correct. > > Simply shipping the wrong cord types to certain locations is actually > prohibited, and in general, including incorrect types could be viewed as > endorsement of their use in other areas. A thing that should be simple, now > gets complicated. > > On occasion, I've heard manufacturers say things like "*I've heard of > this but have no official knowledge that it's true*", as a way to side > step liability. I'm not certain this is considered a valid argument, should > someone be injured. > > While it's convenient and sometimes cost effective to make shipping kits > more generic, I usually recommend including in BOMs some indicator of the > ISO Alpha-2 or ISO Alpha-3 country code and make kits so the correct > materials are included for the location involved. > > I find that, although seemingly simple, it's very easy to get tripped up > over such matters. I've also had difficulty in the past with multi-language > labeling, i.e. combined language labels. In certain countries people become > offended if the wrong language is on products along side their own > language. In this case I'm thinking of a 4-language label I once used. > > Best regards, Doug > > Douglas E Powell > Laporte, Colorado USA > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 8:27 AM Chas Grasso wrote: > >> Hello Doug - Wow I had no idea that this issue existed. Thanks for >> bringing it up! >> As I understand that the inclusion of incorrect cords in a package >> spreads the incorrect >> conclusion that ALL of the cords are suitable for use. Did I get that >> right? >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 8:00 AM Douglas Powell wrote: >> >>> * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: >>> doug...@gmail.com * >>> -- >>> All, >>> >>> I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to >>> various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect >>> cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not >>> permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all >>> mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, >>> Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not >>> prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than >>> create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. >>> >>> That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style >>> receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style >>> plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the >>> China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are >>> many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my >>> question: "Is this usage typical in China?" >>> >>> Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher >>> voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even >>> fouind a website that shows this, >>> https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm >>> >>> I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the >>> US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually >>> advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, >>> or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced >>> by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an >>> investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held >>> liable. >>> >>> Thoughts?? >>> >>> -Doug >>> >>> >>> Douglas E Powell >>> Laporte, Colorado, USA >>> doug...@gmail.com >>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> >>> >>> (UTC-06:
[PSES] PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
It maybe cheaper/less custom issues if local distributor can purchase line cord from the local market. Power supply should be certified for the country it is used in. Yes Brazil and South Africa line chord certification Leadtime are long and costly. Australia also has some conditions for shipping power supply with equipment. Christopher On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 07:00:54 AM PDT, Douglas Powell wrote: All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E PowellLaporte, Colorado, usadoug...@gmail.com LinkedIn (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
I seem to remember this subject being extensively discussed about two years ago. The bans on 'alien' cords are indeed enforced, and some authorities were extremely unhelpful in finding solutions, e.g. not allowing products to be shipped without cords, which were added in the country of destination. Some contributed solutions for specific countries that were found to work. On 2023-08-11 15:52, Douglas Powell wrote: I believe you are correct. Simply shipping the wrong cord types to certain locations is actually prohibited, and in general, including incorrect types could be viewed as endorsement of their use in other areas. A thing that should be simple, now gets complicated. On occasion, I've heard manufacturers say things like "/I've heard of this but have no official knowledge that it's true/", as a way to side step liability. I'm not certain this is considered a valid argument, should someone be injured. While it's convenient and sometimes cost effective to make shipping kits more generic, I usually recommend including in BOMs some indicator of the ISO Alpha-2 or ISO Alpha-3 country code and make kits so the correct materials are included for the location involved. I find that, although seemingly simple, it's very easy to get tripped up over such matters. I've also had difficulty in the past with multi-language labeling, i.e. combined language labels. In certain countries people become offended if the wrong language is on products along side their own language. In this case I'm thinking of a 4-language label I once used. Best regards, Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 8:27 AM Chas Grasso wrote: Hello Doug - Wow I had no idea that this issue existed. Thanks for bringing it up! As I understand that the inclusion of incorrect cords in a package spreads the incorrect conclusion that ALL of the cords are suitable for use. Did I get that right? On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 8:00 AM Douglas Powell wrote: * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: doug...@gmail.com * All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA doug...@gmail.com LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List
Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
I believe you are correct. Simply shipping the wrong cord types to certain locations is actually prohibited, and in general, including incorrect types could be viewed as endorsement of their use in other areas. A thing that should be simple, now gets complicated. On occasion, I've heard manufacturers say things like "*I've heard of this but have no official knowledge that it's true*", as a way to side step liability. I'm not certain this is considered a valid argument, should someone be injured. While it's convenient and sometimes cost effective to make shipping kits more generic, I usually recommend including in BOMs some indicator of the ISO Alpha-2 or ISO Alpha-3 country code and make kits so the correct materials are included for the location involved. I find that, although seemingly simple, it's very easy to get tripped up over such matters. I've also had difficulty in the past with multi-language labeling, i.e. combined language labels. In certain countries people become offended if the wrong language is on products along side their own language. In this case I'm thinking of a 4-language label I once used. Best regards, Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 8:27 AM Chas Grasso wrote: > Hello Doug - Wow I had no idea that this issue existed. Thanks for > bringing it up! > As I understand that the inclusion of incorrect cords in a package spreads > the incorrect > conclusion that ALL of the cords are suitable for use. Did I get that > right? > > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 8:00 AM Douglas Powell wrote: > >> * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: >> doug...@gmail.com * >> -- >> All, >> >> I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various >> countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords >> within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not >> permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all >> mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, >> Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not >> prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than >> create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. >> >> That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style >> receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style >> plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the >> China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are >> many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my >> question: "Is this usage typical in China?" >> >> Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher >> voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even >> fouind a website that shows this, >> https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm >> >> I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the >> US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually >> advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, >> or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced >> by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an >> investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held >> liable. >> >> Thoughts?? >> >> -Doug >> >> >> Douglas E Powell >> Laporte, Colorado, USA >> doug...@gmail.com >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> >> >> (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) >> >> >> -- >> >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >> discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All >> emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ >> >> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ >> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to >> unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> >> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html >> >> For help, send mail to the list administrators: >> Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net >> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org >> >> For policy questions, send mail to: >> Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org >> -- >> >> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following li
Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
Hello Doug - Wow I had no idea that this issue existed. Thanks for bringing it up! As I understand that the inclusion of incorrect cords in a package spreads the incorrect conclusion that ALL of the cords are suitable for use. Did I get that right? On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 8:00 AM Douglas Powell wrote: > * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > doug...@gmail.com * > -- > All, > > I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various > countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords > within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not > permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all > mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, > Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not > prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than > create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. > > That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style > receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style > plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the > China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are > many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my > question: "Is this usage typical in China?" > > Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher > voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even > fouind a website that shows this, > https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm > <https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm> > > I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the > US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually > advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or > mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by > a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an > investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held > liable. > > Thoughts?? > > -Doug > > > Douglas E Powell > Laporte, Colorado, USA > doug...@gmail.com > LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> > > (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) > > > -- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All > emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ > <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/> > > Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ > <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> > Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> > List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html > <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html> > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net > Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org > -- > > To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: > https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 > <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> > -- Charles Grasso Dish Technologies (c) 303-204-2974 (w) 303-706-5467 (h) 303-317-5530 (e ) charles.gra...@dish.com (e2) chasgra...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
[PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
All, I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when products are in low-volume production. That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles (types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle (Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket cable options available. So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage typical in China?" Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher voltages, even though historically some people may say it works. I even fouind a website that shows this, https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable. Thoughts?? -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado, USA doug...@gmail.com LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] China package and shipping labels
speculation, china will ship anything, that you ask for to be labelled. Ir is the import requirements that are important. And you are responsible to ensure that the labeling is correct. Sucks to be you !!! I spent several years in US customs monitoring programs because of a lack of attention to such details. Our people on the ground figured out a way, without any involvement from higher up. No idea how they do it. On Thursday, June 30, 2022, 01:35:09 PM EDT, frankt_c...@yahoo.com <0d3fa4ae712a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: Hi PSES team,I'm having difficulty finding information regarding China's packaging (Product, Hazard, etc.) and shipping label requirements for laboratory/control/measurement equipment.Most of the information I have found is in regards to CCC mark, which our product are not in scope.Any direction on this will be much appreciated. -Frank- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
[PSES] China package and shipping labels
Hi PSES team,I'm having difficulty finding information regarding China's packaging (Product, Hazard, etc.) and shipping label requirements for laboratory/control/measurement equipment.Most of the information I have found is in regards to CCC mark, which our product are not in scope.Any direction on this will be much appreciated. -Frank - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] China Country of Origin Requirements
I have been seeing increased enforcement to ensure products have the appropriate Country of Origin (COO) labeling on electrical products as well as accessories and chemical products sold on the market. There seems to be a lot of variation with how COO labeling is conducted and countries such as China and Korea want to ensure it is correct along with USA FTC (Federal Trade Commission) requirements. Best Regards, Ken Kapur Director, Global Product Compliance Thermo Fisher Scientific ken.ka...@thermofisher.com From: Mike Home Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] China Country of Origin Requirements CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Thermo Fisher Scientific. If you believe it to be suspicious, report using the Report Phish button in Outlook or send to s...@thermofisher.com. Steve — We haven’t run into Chinese COO requirements yet, but we pretty religiously mark our products. If you’re shipping electrical components into the PRC, be aware of the CCC mark, which is administered by tariff code and seems to be enforced. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2020, at 7:58 PM, sgbrody mailto:sgbr...@comcast.net>> wrote: Hi fellow gurus, A client has asked me if China requires country of origin labels on imported products, specifically electrical manufacturing products and/or components. Any information greatly appreciated. Tou can respond openly here or privately to me at stev...@productehsconsulting.com<mailto:stev...@productehsconsulting.com>. Thanks, and stay safe and healthy, Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ieee-2Dpses.org_emc-2Dpstc.html=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfYc=e0GpNy3NY2ipTD08lmChP9JoLSJTNVU8gTw_l02H0-A=> Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__product-2Dcompliance.oc.ieee.org_=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfYc=Lw1RcsgmTCB6Pq931fYxzgqQQRdZl06Y-4bXQZjLG_0=> can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ieee-2Dpses.org_=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfYc=LVxUd-zXCMe62XIlIY5v140j-O8uhCEgmiL_1nPDzfE=> Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ieee-2Dpses.org_list.html=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfYc=DWs6WP4SqzncSlLQn60UR9YICj3bqu08vGFAWkzmRHY=> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ieee-2Dpses.org_listrules.html=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfYc=HFAtynF-Yc0AeI0gZBSu81_d8jd74QMH2GOXkF1tuV0=> For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ieee-2Dpses.org_emc-2Dpstc.html=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfYc=e0GpNy3NY2ipTD08lmChP9JoLSJTNVU8gTw_l02H0-A=> Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__product-2Dcompliance.oc.ieee.org_=DwMFaQ=q6k2DsTcEGCcCb_WtVSz6hhIl8hvYssy7sH8ZwfbbKU=ceEGfRfAATRLvrDpw-fh33haojLMnxrxQT1JC9iGxE0=pVL3t4FbugMlTgc76FbuPzFlm8BUsM_5bsXXVwVOfY
Re: [PSES] China Country of Origin Requirements
Steve — We haven’t run into Chinese COO requirements yet, but we pretty religiously mark our products. If you’re shipping electrical components into the PRC, be aware of the CCC mark, which is administered by tariff code and seems to be enforced. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2020, at 7:58 PM, sgbrody wrote: > > > Hi fellow gurus, > > A client has asked me if China requires country of origin labels on imported > products, specifically electrical manufacturing products and/or components. > > Any information greatly appreciated. Tou can respond openly here or > privately to me at stev...@productehsconsulting.com. > > Thanks, and stay safe and healthy, > > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher > David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] China Country of Origin Requirements
Hi fellow gurus,A client has asked me if China requires country of origin labels on imported products, specifically electrical manufacturing products and/or components.Any information greatly appreciated. Tou can respond openly here or privately to me at stev...@productehsconsulting.com.Thanks, and stay safe and healthy, Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Does Hong Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China?
Hello Monrad, Hong Kong still has a completely separate regulatory regime from China. You will likely find importing to Hong Kong far simpler than Chinese approvals. As far as I am aware, most products will not require marking for Hong Kong. It will likely require minimal work if you don't have radios in the products. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Monrad Monsen Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Does Hong Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China? Does Hong Kong require the same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China? My focus is on regulation of automated data processing products like servers, PCs, disk arrays, switches, power distribution units (PDUs) and rack integrated systems. For example, China requires that servers and PCs be labeled with a CCC mark for EMC & Safety and also Environment Friendly Use Period (EFUP) labeling for RoHS. Is this required for Hong Kong as well? Of course, Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region under the People's Republic of China since 1 July 1997, but they have a "high degree of autonomy" in all matters except foreign and defense affairs for the subsequent 50 years. The products I support already have CCC & EFUP labeling and approvals so the topic has not come up until now when we might be importing a few 3rd party products into Hong Kong. Thanks. Monrad Monsen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Does Hong Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China?
Does Hong Kong require the same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as China? My focus is on regulation of automated data processing products like servers, PCs, disk arrays, switches, power distribution units (PDUs) and rack integrated systems. For example, China requires that servers and PCs be labeled with a CCC mark for EMC & Safety and also Environment Friendly Use Period (EFUP) labeling for RoHS. Is this required for Hong Kong as well? Of course, Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region under the People's Republic of China since 1 July 1997, but they have a "high degree of autonomy" in all matters except foreign and defense affairs for the subsequent 50 years. The products I support already have CCC & EFUP labeling and approvals so the topic has not come up until now when we might be importing a few 3rd party products into Hong Kong. Thanks. Monrad Monsen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Why China Is Dominating Lithium-Ion Battery Production
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/08/04/why-china-is-dominating-lith ium-ion-battery-production/#2b9d77883786 "According to the research organization <https://about.bnef.com/> BloombergNEF, the volume weighted average lithium-ion battery pack price (which includes the cell and the pack) fell 85% from 2010-18, reaching an average of $176/kWh. BloombergNEF further projects that prices will fall to $94/kWh by 2024 and $62/kWh by 2030." - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] China RoHS
Hello List Members, China has released their first catalog of equipment for RoHS. Previously the China RoHS 2 regulations in China put just about everything in scope with some exemptions for categories like space, power, military equipment, etc. which was very similar to EU RoHS. Categories that are called out in the first catalog were products that were in scope already with the RoHS 2 regulation release. What's different or has to be done differently for equipment that is in the catalog versus everything else that is already in scope? There was an exemption list published recently as well that looks a lot like the EU RoHS exemptions. Not sure if that has anything to do with the catalog or when that comes into effect. Can anyone who is on top of the China RoHS latest happenings fill me in? __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. Senior Member IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society <mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org> mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] China Compulsory Certificate
I haven't worked with G Compliance<http://www.gmcompliance.com/> for quite a while, they do a lot of work with Chinese certifications. Disclosure notice: I have a professional relationship with a few people from G Compliance through participation in some IEEE PSES committees. Regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, PSES or IEEE. From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:11 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] China Compulsory Certificate Sometimes we get support from SGS taiwan Sincerely, Dieter Paasche Senior Product Developer, Electrical CHRISTIE 809 Wellington Street North Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7 Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211 www.christiedigital.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.christiedigital.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=Km1wYPTSFQEBtUJD41CTJY4GsMV8Yuekibe5q6tQy8E%3D=0> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is confidential. Any unauthorized use, distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail or telephone and delete it and any attachments from your computer system and records. From: Harrington, John [mailto:john.harring...@keithley.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] China Compulsory Certificate Can anyone recommend a company that can assist in securing a China Compulsory Certificate for a part? Thanks John John Harrington EMC and Safety Compliance Manager E/ john.harring...@keithley.com<mailto:john.harring...@keithley.com> T/ 440.498.2727 tek.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftek.com=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=9Qyxk9UYcIuDIcRoCPcmJ0QDon%2Fgvwt8lRVFxZhQRco%3D=0> [Twitter]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ftektronix=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=dpZK5PScYWTQmjogK5oxuZEf9oUNAHc%2FofupXTL60XQ%3D=0>[Facebook]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Ftektronix=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=Wx7g8AnMq2RGX0M6AhO1yoqIA05rzbCdHmU0JF%2Ft2uY%3D=0>[LinkedIn]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ftektronix=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=iN6fpiHs63NR5QYr1SGLMqcdazOgHNUYwah%2FIX3PuO4%3D=0>[Google+]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F%2Btektronix=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=HGBN00sz%2FOtRDX0NnVNoCMX9XYEE0QxXDf4boITdLUA%3D=0>[Instagram]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Ftektronixofficial%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=3R%2BTW9C11jKM4SOQ%2B%2BubvLpcEzjCZQ5P7UOq5Wh0Xdg%3D=0>[YouTube]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Ftektronix=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=nOgiczyVTSoFIMphckI36hr3nmkd7W067MLOCWFuVfs%3D=0>[Shopping Cart]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure.www.tek.com%2Fuser%2Flogin%3Fdestination%3Dtekstore=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=yAUJa%2FqoZkKGL1dx50KSFWMfnGn21BJ7HwQ09eTd4wU%3D=0> [Tektronix Keithley]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftek.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C19e8aba276714e06d07f08d4db68cb50%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636374690521399396=xJYHhJe9KyCQUYen6%2FP6VTxov7CtpgQzfDqNxtotluU%3D=0> [Keithley] Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the forego
Re: [PSES] China Compulsory Certificate
Sometimes we get support from SGS taiwan Sincerely, Dieter Paasche Senior Product Developer, Electrical CHRISTIE 809 Wellington Street North Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7 Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211 www.christiedigital.com<http://www.christiedigital.com/> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is confidential. Any unauthorized use, distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail or telephone and delete it and any attachments from your computer system and records. From: Harrington, John [mailto:john.harring...@keithley.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Compulsory Certificate Can anyone recommend a company that can assist in securing a China Compulsory Certificate for a part? Thanks John John Harrington EMC and Safety Compliance Manager E/ john.harring...@keithley.com<mailto:john.harring...@keithley.com> T/ 440.498.2727 tek.com<http://tek.com> [Twitter]<https://twitter.com/tektronix>[Facebook]<https://www.facebook.com/tektronix>[LinkedIn]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/tektronix>[Google+]<https://plus.google.com/+tektronix>[Instagram]<http://www.instagram.com/tektronixofficial/>[YouTube]<https://www.youtube.com/user/tektronix>[Shopping Cart]<https://secure.www.tek.com/user/login?destination=tekstore> [Tektronix Keithley]<http://tek.com/> [Keithley] Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the foregoing does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] China Compulsory Certificate
Can anyone recommend a company that can assist in securing a China Compulsory Certificate for a part? Thanks John John Harrington EMC and Safety Compliance Manager E/ john.harring...@keithley.com<mailto:john.harring...@keithley.com> T/ 440.498.2727 tek.com<http://tek.com> [Twitter]<https://twitter.com/tektronix>[Facebook]<https://www.facebook.com/tektronix>[LinkedIn]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/tektronix>[Google+]<https://plus.google.com/+tektronix>[Instagram]<http://www.instagram.com/tektronixofficial/>[YouTube]<https://www.youtube.com/user/tektronix>[Shopping Cart]<https://secure.www.tek.com/user/login?destination=tekstore> [Tektronix Keithley]<http://tek.com/> [Keithley] Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the foregoing does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] China medical Device EMC standard
All My understanding is that current standard for China is "YY 0505-2012", which is based on 2nd edition IEC 60601-1-2:2004. Europe and North America currently require compliance with (versions of) 3rd edition IEC60601-1-2:2007, and will be moving to 4th edition in 2018. I have couple of questions: * Does China accept a report against IEC 2nd edition that references later basic (61000-4-x) standards? * Are there plans for China to move to using 3rd or 4th editions? Thanks Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Mead House Longwater Road Eversley RG27 0NW UK Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Email: char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> Web: www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] China GB Standard version of CISPR 32
Greetings from Berkeley, I an writing to ask if anyone might know if China CQC plans to issue a GB standard based on CISPR 32 or EN 55032:2012? Thank you, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] China GB Standard version of CISPR 32
Posit this to a North American lab that has a physical presence in PRC. Mandarin speaker probably required. Only thing know is that China sent people to sit in on the first committee drafts. Brian From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:54 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China GB Standard version of CISPR 32 Greetings from Berkeley, I an writing to ask if anyone might know if China CQC plans to issue a GB standard based on CISPR 32 or EN 55032:2012? Thank you, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] New China Battery Charger Standard GB 4706.18-2014
Does anyone know whether this updated standard includes requirements for reduced spacings at high altitudes and more rigorous humidity testing, as we've seen in other recent Chinese standards? thanks, Mike Sherman Product Safety and Compliance Engineer Graco Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
Some locations in China, particularly those near Shanghai, require certification from the Shanghai Research Institute of Chemical Industry (SRICI).http://www.msds.gov.cn/index.aspx?menuid=19type=introductlanmuid=98language=en I can’t point to a specific regulation. As far as I know, this requirement is a regional and not a national requirement. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.commailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Gartman, W. Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:06 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
Hi Richard, Yes, we have been dealing with this for awhile. For China shipments, the testing must be done by one of the government approved labs. Even as a test lab, we have to use the government lab down the street. If your shipment does not have the correct certificate with it, the products will usually get trapped in customs. I will check into the regulations, but the government has not been very forthcoming with anything official. Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Safety Laboratory Manager SGS North America, Inc. 620 Old Peachtree Road, Suite 100 Suwanee, GA 30024 USA Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 Fax: 770.277.1240 E-mail: jody.le...@sgs.commailto:ody.le...@sgs.com From: Gartman, W. Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment - perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com Information in this email and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed or otherwise directed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. All SGS services are rendered in accordance with the applicable SGS conditions of service available on request and accessible at http://www.sgs.com/en/Terms-and-Conditions.aspx - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher
Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
Jody, Is it the case that you can, in the US, do the requisite crush tests etc, of UN38 completely within you own facility and self verify the ATA requirements, and do other regulators also accept in house data - rather than independent verification? The typical (and there are only a small number) of test verification I've seen from Li-on manufacturers have been through independent labs. While I've read through the ATA documents I don't know that I've ever seen a requirement for an independent lab or even just the opposite - internal data. Just curious Gary From: Leber, Jody (Suwanee) [mailto:jody.le...@sgs.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Hi Richard, Yes, we have been dealing with this for awhile. For China shipments, the testing must be done by one of the government approved labs. Even as a test lab, we have to use the government lab down the street. If your shipment does not have the correct certificate with it, the products will usually get trapped in customs. I will check into the regulations, but the government has not been very forthcoming with anything official. Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Safety Laboratory Manager SGS North America, Inc. 620 Old Peachtree Road, Suite 100 Suwanee, GA 30024 USA Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 Fax: 770.277.1240 E-mail: jody.le...@sgs.commailto:ody.le...@sgs.com From: Gartman, W. Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment - perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com Information in this email and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed or otherwise directed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. All SGS services are rendered in accordance with the applicable SGS conditions of service available on request and accessible at http://www.sgs.com/en/Terms-and-Conditions.aspx - This message is from the IEEE
Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
Yes, Richard, this is a fun one! It is related to a so-called “safe-for-transport certificate” (very rough English translation). If an item looks like it could be a DG you need to get a cert saying that it is not. Li batteries are particularly difficult. Only certain recognized labs/companies can provide certs for the DG types in their scope. The UN38.3 doc must be a full test report or a passing certificate. It, I believe, does *not* have to be form a particularly recognized lab. E.g., if you can’t get it from the bat supplier, you could have the test done yourself in TX and then provide the test report to the Chinese lab for the safe-for-transport certificate. Finding written chapter and verse on this is difficult. Regards, Lauren From: Gartman, W. Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
Gary, China is the only region in the world that I am aware of with such regulations. I agree with your assessment of the rest of the world. Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Safety Laboratory Manager Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:49 PM To: Leber, Jody (Suwanee); 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Jody, Is it the case that you can, in the US, do the requisite crush tests etc, of UN38 completely within you own facility and self verify the ATA requirements, and do other regulators also accept in house data - rather than independent verification? The typical (and there are only a small number) of test verification I've seen from Li-on manufacturers have been through independent labs. While I've read through the ATA documents I don't know that I've ever seen a requirement for an independent lab or even just the opposite - internal data. Just curious Gary From: Leber, Jody (Suwanee) [mailto:jody.le...@sgs.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Hi Richard, Yes, we have been dealing with this for awhile. For China shipments, the testing must be done by one of the government approved labs. Even as a test lab, we have to use the government lab down the street. If your shipment does not have the correct certificate with it, the products will usually get trapped in customs. I will check into the regulations, but the government has not been very forthcoming with anything official. Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Safety Laboratory Manager SGS North America, Inc. 620 Old Peachtree Road, Suite 100 Suwanee, GA 30024 USA Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 Fax: 770.277.1240 E-mail: jody.le...@sgs.commailto:ody.le...@sgs.com From: Gartman, W. Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment - perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com Information in this email and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed or otherwise directed
Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations
All, thank you for the information. This will be helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment - perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:49 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Jody, Is it the case that you can, in the US, do the requisite crush tests etc, of UN38 completely within you own facility and self verify the ATA requirements, and do other regulators also accept in house data - rather than independent verification? The typical (and there are only a small number) of test verification I've seen from Li-on manufacturers have been through independent labs. While I've read through the ATA documents I don't know that I've ever seen a requirement for an independent lab or even just the opposite - internal data. Just curious Gary From: Leber, Jody (Suwanee) [mailto:jody.le...@sgs.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Hi Richard, Yes, we have been dealing with this for awhile. For China shipments, the testing must be done by one of the government approved labs. Even as a test lab, we have to use the government lab down the street. If your shipment does not have the correct certificate with it, the products will usually get trapped in customs. I will check into the regulations, but the government has not been very forthcoming with anything official. Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Safety Laboratory Manager SGS North America, Inc. 620 Old Peachtree Road, Suite 100 Suwanee, GA 30024 USA Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 Fax: 770.277.1240 E-mail: jody.le...@sgs.commailto:ody.le...@sgs.com From: Gartman, W. Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China Lithium battery regulations Esteemed body of knowledge, Today I learned about a China customs regulations requiring UN38.3 T1-T8 certification for all lithium batteries: Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, and lithium-metal. This is applicable to single use as well as rechargeable batteries. The certifications cannot be manufactures self-declarations, they need to be a third party certificates. IATA/ICAO have the UN38.3 requirements for air shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries and they accept manufactures self-declarations. Has anyone seen this requirement, know of the regulation that generated this requirement, have a source of this requirement? Any information is helpful. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927 Email: rgart...@ti.commailto:rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardshiphttp://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccrhttp://www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment - perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success.http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp
[PSES] China Energy Label: List of mandatory products
Hello group, Where can I find the latest list of mandatory products that must be marked with the China Energy Label (CEL). Best regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 答复: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products
Hi Helmut, The list has been updated for 9 times and will still be updated timely. There are totally 29 products require China Energy Label now. I have the list but it's in Chinese. So maybe you can let me know your product and I can check whether it requires CEL. Paul Wang (王卫波) GM Compliance,Inc.Beijing Office Tel:86-10-58203318 Cell:86-13810026747 -邮件原件- 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 H.K?ster 发送时间: 2013年7月15日 20:03 收件人: emc-p...@ieee.org 主题: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hello group, Where can I find the latest list of mandatory products that must be marked with the China Energy Label (CEL). Best regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] AW: ´ð¸´: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products
Hello Paul, We are interested to know if printers are inside this list of mandatory products for CEL marking. Regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Im Auftrag von Paul Wang Gesendet: Montag, 15. Juli 2013 15:15 An: h.koes...@psi-engineering.de; emc-p...@ieee.org Betreff: 答复: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hi Helmut, The list has been updated for 9 times and will still be updated timely. There are totally 29 products require China Energy Label now. I have the list but it's in Chinese. So maybe you can let me know your product and I can check whether it requires CEL. Paul Wang (王卫波) GM Compliance,Inc.Beijing Office Tel:86-10-58203318 Cell:86-13810026747 -邮件原件- 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 H.K?ster 发送时间: 2013年7月15日 20:03 收件人: emc-p...@ieee.org 主题: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hello group, Where can I find the latest list of mandatory products that must be marked with the China Energy Label (CEL). Best regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] R: [PSES] 答复: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products
Hi all, please give a look here: http://www.energylabel.gov.cn/en/Resources/list-1.html Daniele Conforti Indesit Company -Messaggio originale- Da: Paul Wang [mailto:paulw...@gmcompliance.com] Inviato: lunedì 15 luglio 2013 15:15 A: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Oggetto: [PSES] 答复: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hi Helmut, The list has been updated for 9 times and will still be updated timely. There are totally 29 products require China Energy Label now. I have the list but it's in Chinese. So maybe you can let me know your product and I can check whether it requires CEL. Paul Wang (王卫波) GM Compliance,Inc.Beijing Office Tel:86-10-58203318 Cell:86-13810026747 -邮件原件- 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 H.K?ster 发送时间: 2013年7月15日 20:03 收件人: emc-p...@ieee.org 主题: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hello group, Where can I find the latest list of mandatory products that must be marked with the China Energy Label (CEL). Best regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc- pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc- pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com E-Mail Notice and disclaimer. This e-mail (including any attachment) is intended for the addressee named above only. As it may contain confidential or privileged information you are not allowed to copy, forward, disclose or use any part of the message or its attachments if it is not STRICTLY required by your job purpose. If you are not the addressee named you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of the message or its attachments. If you received this message by mistake, please notify the sender immediately returning the e-mail and deleting it from your system. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed as secured or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission. Please note that any opinion or view expressed in this e-mail may be those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinion or view of this organization. In no case, an e-mail containing in the address words as stage, consultants or contractors may be considered as sent by a staff member of Indesit Company SpA (and its subsidiaries). Indesit Company SpA Viale A. Merloni 47 �C 60044 Fabriano (AN), Italy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike
[PSES] 答复: ´ð¸´: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products
Hi Helmut, Yes, printer is in the category. It applies to printers powered by 220V 50Hz power grid, print speed less than 70 pages/min and standard size. Paul Wang (王卫波) GM Compliance,Inc.Beijing Office Tel:86-10-58203318 Cell:86-13810026747 -邮件原件- 发件人: H.Köster [mailto:h.koes...@psi-si.de] 发送时间: 2013年7月15日 22:11 收件人: 'Paul Wang'; emc-p...@ieee.org 主题: AW: ´ð¸´: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hello Paul, We are interested to know if printers are inside this list of mandatory products for CEL marking. Regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Im Auftrag von Paul Wang Gesendet: Montag, 15. Juli 2013 15:15 An: h.koes...@psi-engineering.de; emc-p...@ieee.org Betreff: 答复: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hi Helmut, The list has been updated for 9 times and will still be updated timely. There are totally 29 products require China Energy Label now. I have the list but it's in Chinese. So maybe you can let me know your product and I can check whether it requires CEL. Paul Wang (王卫波) GM Compliance,Inc.Beijing Office Tel:86-10-58203318 Cell:86-13810026747 -邮件原件- 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 H.K?ster 发送时间: 2013年7月15日 20:03 收件人: emc-p...@ieee.org 主题: China Energy Label: List of mandatory products Hello group, Where can I find the latest list of mandatory products that must be marked with the China Energy Label (CEL). Best regards Helmut Koester PSi Engineering GmbH mailto:h.koes...@psi-engineering.de - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Transporation in China
China lithium battery transportation requirements must be tested in-country by authorized labs. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com wrote: Does anyone know what requirements apply to the transportation by air in China of lithium button cells installed in equipment ? I have one Chinese regulation à “Administrative Provisions on Transport of Dangerous Goods by the Civil Aviation of China” (“中国民用航空危险品运输管理规定”), which defines dangerous goods as “articles or substances which possess danger to the health, safety, property or environment, specified in the listing of dangerous goods of the Technical Instructions, and classified pursuant to the Technical Instructions. Technical Instructions refers to the current Technical Instructions for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air (Doc9284-AN/905) promulgated by the International Civil Aviation Organization, including the supplements and any appendix thereto approved and published by decision of the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization.” According to the 2011 version of ICAO Doc 9284-AN/905 button cell batteries in equipment (including on circuit boards) are excluded from the general lithium battery transportation requirements in the document. Particularly Packing Instruction 967 and 970. Which seems to imply they are out of scope also of the Chinese regulation. However, there is also the Chinese standard MH/T 1020-2009, “Standard for transport of 1ithium batteries by air” (组电池航空运输规范) which does not acknowledge any button cell exclusions. Any ideas? If in scope, the requirement would be for the button cell to be certified to UN38.3. Is it even possible to buy a button cell these days that does not meet this standard? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Lithium Button Cell Transporation in China
Does anyone know what requirements apply to the transportation by air in China of lithium button cells installed in equipment ? I have one Chinese regulation à “Administrative Provisions on Transport of Dangerous Goods by the Civil Aviation of China” (“中国民用航空危险品运输管理规定”), which defines dangerous goods as “articles or substances which possess danger to the health, safety, property or environment, specified in the listing of dangerous goods of the Technical Instructions, and classified pursuant to the Technical Instructions. Technical Instructions refers to the current Technical Instructions for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air (Doc9284-AN/905) promulgated by the International Civil Aviation Organization, including the supplements and any appendix thereto approved and published by decision of the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization.” According to the 2011 version of ICAO Doc 9284-AN/905 button cell batteries in equipment (including on circuit boards) are excluded from the general lithium battery transportation requirements in the document. Particularly Packing Instruction 967 and 970. Which seems to imply they are out of scope also of the Chinese regulation. However, there is also the Chinese standard MH/T 1020-2009, “Standard for transport of 1ithium batteries by air” (组电池航空运输规范) which does not acknowledge any button cell exclusions. Any ideas? If in scope, the requirement would be for the button cell to be certified to UN38.3. Is it even possible to buy a button cell these days that does not meet this standard? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Made in PRC or Made in China?
Import of a product in Saudi-Arabia is not possible because on the product label is printed made in PRC and while the certification body claims it must be made in China. Is there any reason why PRC (People's Republic of China) is not acceptable? Best regards, Kris Carpentier - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 答复: Made in PRC or Made in China?
Hi Kris , Not sure whether you will sell it to China or Saudi-Arabia. If it's for China, I believe it should be printed in Simplified Chinese:中国制造 Paul Wang -邮件原件- 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 Carpentier Kristiaan 发送时间: 2012年6月13日 17:04 收件人: EMC-PSTC 主题: Made in PRC or Made in China? Import of a product in Saudi-Arabia is not possible because on the product label is printed made in PRC and while the certification body claims it must be made in China. Is there any reason why PRC (People's Republic of China) is not acceptable? Best regards, Kris Carpentier - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Made in PRC or Made in China?
According to several SGS and UL publications, which I cannot send because of copyright, Saudi Arabia does not allow abbreviations for country of origin on product label. Reference was Saudi Law of Commercial Data, No. M/5-14 Rabi' II 1423H. We make some of our stuff in TJ, and their import people said to me 'what country does Mexico stand for?' And for some reason, they do not seem to consider 'USA' an abbreviation. LULZ. The joys of global economy. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Carpentier Kristiaan Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Made in PRC or Made in China? Import of a product in Saudi-Arabia is not possible because on the product label is printed made in PRC and while the certification body claims it must be made in China. Is there any reason why PRC (People's Republic of China) is not acceptable? Best regards, Kris Carpentier - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] SRD in China
Hi, I have a question regarding Chinese short range device requirements. Specification: metering equipment (heat, water) with SRD's 868MHz Band in Europe center frequency 868,95 (frequency band 868,7 - 869,2MHz) 10mW bandwith approx. 250kHz or 434MHz Band in Europe center frequency 434,475MHz 10mW bandwith approx. 250kHz Low Duty Cycle Is such equipment allowed to operate in China? If not which frequency bands are allowed? Any support is appreciated. Best regards Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Das neue Buch zum Thema Product Compliance: http://www.beuth.de/de/artikel/produktkonformitaet http://www.beuth.de/de/artikel/produktkonformitaet (Produktkonformität, Prozesse, Risikomanagement, CE-Kennzeichnung, Fallbeispiele für Geschäftsführung, Konstruktion, Normenabteilung, Vertrieb, Einkauf, Produktion, QM) _ Globalnorm GmbH Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Fon +49 30 3229027-51 Mobile +49 170 3229027 Fax +49 30 3229027-59 Mail mailto:michael.loer...@globalnorm.de michael.loer...@globalnorm.de http://www.globalnorm.de/ www.globalnorm.de http://www.globalnorm.ca/ www.globalnorm.ca http://www.product-compliance.com/ www.product-compliance.com _ Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Alt-Moabit 94, 10559 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 答复: SRD in China
Hi Michael, As I know the 800MHz SRD device in China is from 868MHz to 868.6MHz and should be 5mW. So you may need to change it. Paul Wang (王卫波) GM Compliance,Inc.Beijing Office Tel:86-10-58203318 Tel:86-10-67877845 Fax: 86-10-58203316 Cell:86-13810026747 Website: www.gmcompliance.com.cn http://www.gmcompliance.com.cn/ (China) www.gmcompliance.com http://www.gmcompliance.com/ (U.S.A.) 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 Michael Loerzer 发送时间: 2012年4月20日 14:00 收件人: emc-p...@ieee.org 主题: SRD in China Hi, I have a question regarding Chinese short range device requirements. Specification: metering equipment (heat, water) with SRD's 868MHz Band in Europe center frequency 868,95 (frequency band 868,7 - 869,2MHz) 10mW bandwith approx. 250kHz or 434MHz Band in Europe center frequency 434,475MHz 10mW bandwith approx. 250kHz Low Duty Cycle Is such equipment allowed to operate in China? If not which frequency bands are allowed? Any support is appreciated. Best regards Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Das neue Buch zum Thema Product Compliance: http://www.beuth.de/de/artikel/produktkonformitaet (Produktkonformität, Prozesse, Risikomanagement, CE-Kennzeichnung, Fallbeispiele für Geschäftsführung, Konstruktion, Normenabteilung, Vertrieb, Einkauf, Produktion, QM) _ Globalnorm GmbH Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Fon +49 30 3229027-51 Mobile +49 170 3229027 Fax +49 30 3229027-59 Mailmichael.loer...@globalnorm.de http://www.globalnorm.de/ www.globalnorm.de http://www.globalnorm.ca/ www.globalnorm.ca http://www.product-compliance.com/ www.product-compliance.com _ Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Alt-Moabit 94, 10559 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] SRD China
Hi, I have a question reagrding Chinese short range device requirements. Specification: metering equipemt (heat, water) with SRD's 868MHz Band in Europe center frequency 868,95 (frequency band 868,7 - 869,2MHz) 10mW bandwith approx. 250kHz or 434MHz Band in Europe center ferquency 434,475MHz 10mW bandwith approx. 250kHz Low Duty Cycle Is such equipment allowed to operate in China? If not which frequency bands are allowed? Any support is appreciated. Best regards Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Das neue Buch zum Thema Product Compliance: http://www.beuth.de/de/artikel/produktkonformitaet http://www.beuth.de/de/artikel/produktkonformitaet (Produktkonformität, Prozesse, Risikomanagement, CE-Kennzeichnung, Fallbeispiele für Geschäftsführung, Konstruktion, Normenabteilung, Vertrieb, Einkauf, Produktion, QM) _ Globalnorm GmbH Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Fon +49 30 3229027-51 Mobile +49 170 3229027 Fax +49 30 3229027-59 Mail mailto:michael.loer...@globalnorm.de michael.loer...@globalnorm.de http://www.globalnorm.de/ www.globalnorm.de http://www.globalnorm.ca/ www.globalnorm.ca http://www.product-compliance.com/ www.product-compliance.com _ Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Alt-Moabit 94, 10559 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE mark for China?
To enforce their trademark, wouldn't the CE mark have to be displaying a little TM or an R in a circle next to the CE? Perhaps European trademark marking law is different than in the USA, but here, to maintain your trademark, you would have to mark the mark. Ed Price El Cajon, CA USA -Original Message- From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:43 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE mark for China? Gary The CE mark is, I believe, now trademarked. Regards Charlie - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] FW: CE mark for China?
I understand why we can't send jpg's and bitmaps but that is going to make this a bit more complicated - but I'll give it a try. If you would follow the link. A colleague, whom I appreciate a great deal has an unfortunate habit of taking Wikipedia as valid reference data. I'm trying to break him of this habit, but in the meantime he sent me this interesting little tidbit that claims there are Chinese manufactures who think CE is China Export or China Electronics and apply a very famous mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark Then select China Export in the table of contents or scroll down to that point. You'll see a couple of CE marks. There is also some adjoining text that describes the CE mark and its legal use etc. Taken collectively I'm believe it's pretty clear that its they can't do that and send it to the EU. I mostly trying to figure out if anybody has ever seen such a thing, particularly our listsever friends that are much more familiar with Chinese marks than I. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE mark for China?
Gary A colleague, whom I appreciate a great deal has an unfortunate habit of taking Wikipedia as valid reference data Why not change the entry yourself and suggest he re-reads it? :) This came up a few years ago and a question was even asked in the EU parliament: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=WQreference=P-2007-5938language=EN The answer includes: The Commission is aware that there exists the misconception attributing CE marking the meaning 'Chinese export'. The Commission is not aware of the existence of a 'China export mark' but considers that the mark the Honourable Member refers to constitute the CE marking as foreseen in the European legislation without, however, respecting the dimensions and proportions prescribed therein. The CE mark is, I believe, now trademarked. Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: 02 April 2012 21:52 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FW: CE mark for China? I understand why we can't send jpg's and bitmaps but that is going to make this a bit more complicated - but I'll give it a try. If you would follow the link. A colleague, whom I appreciate a great deal has an unfortunate habit of taking Wikipedia as valid reference data. I'm trying to break him of this habit, but in the meantime he sent me this interesting little tidbit that claims there are Chinese manufactures who think CE is China Export or China Electronics and apply a very famous mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark Then select China Export in the table of contents or scroll down to that point. You'll see a couple of CE marks. There is also some adjoining text that describes the CE mark and its legal use etc. Taken collectively I'm believe it's pretty clear that its they can't do that and send it to the EU. I mostly trying to figure out if anybody has ever seen such a thing, particularly our listsever friends that are much more familiar with Chinese marks than I. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
RE: Wireless Access Points and China
Peter, The last time I checked you couldn't certify anything that had a LAN port on it, but things could have changed since this spring. Something about security or something like that. Larry -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:32 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Wireless Access Points and China Dear Group, Are 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless access points powered by PoE regulated for CCC in China? They are for SRRC but not so clear on CCC Peter Sent from my iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Wireless Access Points and China
Dear Group, Are 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless access points powered by PoE regulated for CCC in China? They are for SRRC but not so clear on CCC Peter Sent from my iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
China CCC Seminars in the US in September 2011
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Re: Industrial product stopped by China Customs
Thanks very much to all of you for your prompt responses. They've been very helpful. Carl On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Carl Newton emcl...@gmail.com wrote: List Members: I've just been called by a customer with a piece of industrial extrusion equipment stopped by Chinese customs. I believe that this has happened because shipping people mis-categorized the equipment. This type of hardware is not listed in the Products Catalog for China Compulsory Certification. I'm being told that the category assigned to the equipment cannot be changed once it arrives in China. That the equipment must be returned to the USA, re-categorized, and then returned to China. This is all 2nd hand info at this point. Do any of you have any experience of this kind, and if so, how was it resolved? Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Industrial product stopped by China Customs
Carl If shipped by Fedex or UPS they have departments that takes care of these issues. With Fedex it is Fedex Trade Networks. Call me if you need additional help. Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2011, at 6:45 AM, Carl Newton emcl...@gmail.com wrote: List Members: I've just been called by a customer with a piece of industrial extrusion equipment stopped by Chinese customs. I believe that this has happened because shipping people mis-categorized the equipment. This type of hardware is not listed in the Products Catalog for China Compulsory Certification. I'm being told that the category assigned to the equipment cannot be changed once it arrives in China. That the equipment must be returned to the USA, re-categorized, and then returned to China. This is all 2nd hand info at this point. Do any of you have any experience of this kind, and if so, how was it resolved? Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: [PSES] Industrial product stopped by China Customs
Can you transfer the products to Hongkong, then move to China again? Regards Tim From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Industrial product stopped by China Customs List Members: I've just been called by a customer with a piece of industrial extrusion equipment stopped by Chinese customs. I believe that this has happened because shipping people mis-categorized the equipment. This type of hardware is not listed in the Products Catalog for China Compulsory Certification. I'm being told that the category assigned to the equipment cannot be changed once it arrives in China. That the equipment must be returned to the USA, re-categorized, and then returned to China. This is all 2nd hand info at this point. Do any of you have any experience of this kind, and if so, how was it resolved? Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Industrial product stopped by China Customs
Carl, Dealing with China Customs can be painful. I don't have the exactly same experience. I shipped CCC test samples to China with $2 invoice (test samples no commercial value). The Customs rejected it. I had my colleague corrrected to our selling price with a letter to describe the reason. The Customs still felt the invoice was too low... I wonder if your customer is able to change the category and issue a letter to explain. My suggestion is to get a 2nd opinion from the other Customs clearance agent if available. Or, if you know someone at the Customs, ask him/her if there is any way to go around. With regards, Grace On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Carl Newton emcl...@gmail.com wrote: List Members: I've just been called by a customer with a piece of industrial extrusion equipment stopped by Chinese customs. I believe that this has happened because shipping people mis-categorized the equipment. This type of hardware is not listed in the Products Catalog for China Compulsory Certification. I'm being told that the category assigned to the equipment cannot be changed once it arrives in China. That the equipment must be returned to the USA, re-categorized, and then returned to China. This is all 2nd hand info at this point. Do any of you have any experience of this kind, and if so, how was it resolved? Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Industrial product stopped by China Customs
List Members: I've just been called by a customer with a piece of industrial extrusion equipment stopped by Chinese customs. I believe that this has happened because shipping people mis-categorized the equipment. This type of hardware is not listed in the Products Catalog for China Compulsory Certification. I'm being told that the category assigned to the equipment cannot be changed once it arrives in China. That the equipment must be returned to the USA, re-categorized, and then returned to China. This is all 2nd hand info at this point. Do any of you have any experience of this kind, and if so, how was it resolved? Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
LF China 2.4 GHz FHSS standard/s
Hi group, Previous attempt to identify the Chinese requirement for 2.4 GHz wireless device, identifies GB-15629.1102, which turns out to be for DSSS (Direct Sequencing Spread Spectrum). Does anyone knows what will be the correct standard for FHSS? Thanks, N. Shani - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] China GB15629 for Wi-Fi
Mike, thanks. Anyone knows if said equipment uses the Wi-Fi (license free) spectrum, but for telemetry, does the WAPI clause still apply? Cheers, N. Shani 2011/4/1 Mike Violette mi...@wll.com Dear N. Shani, Our colleague Cucy in Beijing offers the following information on the China BG15629 for Wi-Fi. See below. Thank you, Cucy. Mike Violette mi...@wll.com Washington Laboratories Radio Frequency and Electrical Safety 301 216-1500 tel:301%20216-1500 cell: 240 401 1388 tel:240%20401%201388 From: cucy [mailto:c...@acbcert.com] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:13 AM To: 'Jerry Lee'; 'Mike Violette' Cc: 'Grace Guo'; 'Tulip Hu' Subject: 答复: [PSES] China GB15629 for Wi-Fi Dear Mike, I have checked the standard GB15629, it is a Chinese standard, named GB15629.11-2003, is similar to the international Wi-Fi (802.11) standard, but uses a different security protocol. While the Wi-Fi standard uses the Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) security protocol, the Chinese standard uses a Wireless Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure (WAPI). About the power limit, it is included in other standards to state for China. 信产部 无[2002]277《关于使用5.8GHz频段频率事宜的通知》and 信产部 无[2002]353《关于调整2. GHz频段发射功率限值及有关问题的通知》 For 2.4GHz(2. 4-2. 4835GHz): About EIRP: If antenna gain10dBi, EIPR ≤100mW(20dBm) If antenna gain10dBi, EIRP ≤500mW(27dBm) About radiated power: ≤-36dBm/100kHz(30～1000MHz) ≤-33dBm/1MHz(2400～2483.5MHz) ≤-40dBm/1MHz(3400～3530MHz) ≤-40dBm/100kHz(5725～5850MHz) ≤-30dBm/1MHz(1～12.75GHz) For 5.8GHz(only 5725-5850MHz is allowed in China): If no antenna, the output power will be required ≤500mW(27dBm). If have antenna, EIPR ≤2W(33dBm) About radiated power: ≤-36dBm/100kHz(30～1000MHz) ≤-40dBm/1MHz(2400～2483.5MHz) ≤-40dBm/1MHz(3400～3530MHz) ≤-33dBm/100kHz(5725～5850MHz) ≤-30dBm/1MHz(1～40GHz) Hope it helps. Cucy AmericanCB Beijing Your best partner in the Wireless Industry http://www.acbcert.com +86 13810092362 From: N.Shani [mailto:nshani...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:46 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China GB15629 for Wi-Fi Query: I'm aware that the PRC has GB15629 as the required standard for Wi-Fi devices. Could someone enlighten me if the above is based/similar to any ITU-R, IEEE or ETSI standards? If so, are the power limits the same or lower? And before anyone mentions it: I'm in the process of acquiring GB1562. Cheers, N. Shani - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance..oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv..ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: [PSES] China GB15629 for Wi-Fi
Dear N. Shani, Our colleague Cucy in Beijing offers the following information on the China BG15629 for Wi-Fi. See below. Thank you, Cucy. Mike Violette mi...@wll.com Washington Laboratories Radio Frequency and Electrical Safety 301 216-1500 cell: 240 401 1388 From: cucy [mailto:c...@acbcert.com] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:13 AM To: 'Jerry Lee'; 'Mike Violette' Cc: 'Grace Guo'; 'Tulip Hu' Subject: 答复: [PSES] China GB15629 for Wi-Fi Dear Mike, I have checked the standard GB15629, it is a Chinese standard, named GB15629.11-2003, is similar to the international Wi-Fi (802.11) standard, but uses a different security protocol. While the Wi-Fi standard uses the Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) security protocol, the Chinese standard uses a Wireless Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure (WAPI). About the power limit, it is included in other standards to state for China. 信产部 无[2002]277《关于使用5.8GHz频段频率事宜的通知》and 信产部 无[2002]353《关于调整2. GHz频段发射功率限值及有关问题的通知》 For 2.4GHz(2. 4-2. 4835GHz): About EIRP: If antenna gain10dBi, EIPR ≤100mW(20dBm) If antenna gain10dBi, EIRP ≤500mW(27dBm) About radiated power: ≤-36dBm/100kHz(30～1000MHz) ≤-33dBm/1MHz(2400～2483.5MHz) ≤-40dBm/1MHz(3400～3530MHz) ≤-40dBm/100kHz(5725～5850MHz) ≤-30dBm/1MHz(1～12.75GHz) For 5.8GHz(only 5725-5850MHz is allowed in China): If no antenna, the output power will be required ≤500mW(27dBm). If have antenna, EIPR ≤2W(33dBm) About radiated power: ≤-36dBm/100kHz(30～1000MHz) ≤-40dBm/1MHz(2400～2483.5MHz) ≤-40dBm/1MHz(3400～3530MHz) ≤-33dBm/100kHz(5725～5850MHz) ≤-30dBm/1MHz(1～40GHz) Hope it helps. Cucy AmericanCB Beijing Your best partner in the Wireless Industry http://www.acbcert.com +86 13810092362 From: N.Shani [mailto:nshani...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:46 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] China GB15629 for Wi-Fi Query: I'm aware that the PRC has GB15629 as the required standard for Wi-Fi devices. Could someone enlighten me if the above is based/similar to any ITU-R, IEEE or ETSI standards? If so, are the power limits the same or lower? And before anyone mentions it: I'm in the process of acquiring GB1562. Cheers, N. Shani - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance..oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv..ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China GB15629 for Wi-Fi
Query: I'm aware that the PRC has GB15629 as the required standard for Wi-Fi devices. Could someone enlighten me if the above is based/similar to any ITU-R, IEEE or ETSI standards? If so, are the power limits the same or lower? And before anyone mentions it: I'm in the process of acquiring GB1562. Cheers, N. Shani - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: China SRRC changes
Richard There are no changes with SRRC since July of last year Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com President Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2011, at 4:58 AM, Gartman, Richard rgart...@ti.com wrote: Panel of experts, We are building a wireless client 802.11 b/g product and are looking at taking it into China. I have been down the SRRC road once before, however that was a while ago. Are any of you aware of changes, technical or procedural, that SRRC has made since July 2010 for this kind of product. Power output is 0.1w. Thanks you for your guidance W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251 Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com mailto:rgart...@ti.com Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com http://www.education.ti.com/ www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardship http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it. http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success. http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China SRRC changes
Panel of experts, We are building a wireless client 802.11 b/g product and are looking at taking it into China. I have been down the SRRC road once before, however that was a while ago. Are any of you aware of changes, technical or procedural, that SRRC has made since July 2010 for this kind of product. Power output is 0.1w. Thanks you for your guidance W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251 Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com mailto:rgart...@ti.com Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com http://www.education.ti.com/ www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardship http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it. http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success. http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Fw: Cable Locating Equipment and China
Ignore that last Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - Forwarded by Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US on 01/21/2011 09:06 AM - From: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US To: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 01/21/2011 09:06 AM Subject:Cable Locating Equipment and China Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Cable Locating Equipment and China
Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Re: [PSES] Machinery to China
The only mandatory safety requirements for the product to be placed to the China Market is CCC certification requirement which is currently applicable for household appliances only. If the product is designed purely for the use of industrial environment, the CCC requirement will not be applicable. Eunice Yang CEM International Ltd The Atrium Business Centre Curtis Road Dorking Surrey RH4 1XA Tel: +44 (0)1306 646388 Fax: +44 (0)1306 646389 Email: eunicey...@cem-international.co.uk mailto:eunicey...@cem-international.co.uk Website: www.cem-international.co.uk http://www.cem-international.co.uk/ This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) (Intended Recipient) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information, which is privileged and confidential. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its content by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible. CEM International Ltd is a company Limited by Shares. Registered in England No: 4513974. Registered Office: The Atrium Business Centre, Curtis Road, Dorking, Surrey RH4 1XA It all depends on the type of machinery and the intended application. Please share some more information with us. Happy Thanksgiving Peter Merguerian Go Global Compliance Inc. pe...@goglobalcompliance.com (408) 416-3772 H Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com wrote: A company is planning to expand manufacturing into China and will supply their own custom designed equipment for their facility. What safety and regulatory requirements apply to this equipment being imported into China? :)br,Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Regulatory Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Machinery to China
It all depends on the type of machinery and the intended application. Please share some more information with us. Happy Thanksgiving Peter Merguerian Go Global Compliance Inc. pe...@goglobalcompliance.com (408) 416-3772 H Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com wrote: A company is planning to expand manufacturing into China and will supply their own custom designed equipment for their facility. What safety and regulatory requirements apply to this equipment being imported into China? :)br,Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Regulatory Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Machinery to China
A company is planning to expand manufacturing into China and will supply their own custom designed equipment for their facility. What safety and regulatory requirements apply to this equipment being imported into China? :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Regulatory Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Europe-China standards
In message z6vlx2gpqm2mf...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, dated Wed, 10 Nov 2010, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: Information from CEN/CENELEC: The Europe-China Standards Information Platform (CESIP) is a practical information tool that aims at strengthening mutual trade and investment flow between Europe and China by making standards and related technical regulations more accessible. The Platform is a website where Chinese and/or European SMEs will find information in English and Chinese about the relevant applicable and upcoming standards to be applied to their products when intended for export to China or Europe. European SMEs will find information not only on national Chinese GB standards (voluntary and mandatory) but also on the relevant industry (sector) standards, normally much more difficult to obtain for foreign companies wanting to do business with China. Bob Heller pointed out that the above doesn't say how to access the site. Incredibly, the much longer promotional message from CEN either doesn't give it or it was stripped off when the message was relayed by BSI. I found the site at: http://eu-china-standards.eu/Index.aspx -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK If at first you don't succeed, delegate. But I support unbloated email http://www.asciiribbon.org/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://emc-pstc.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Europe-China standards
Information from CEN/CENELEC: The Europe-China Standards Information Platform (CESIP) is a practical information tool that aims at strengthening mutual trade and investment flow between Europe and China by making standards and related technical regulations more accessible. The Platform is a website where Chinese and/or European SMEs will find information in English and Chinese about the relevant applicable and upcoming standards to be applied to their products when intended for export to China or Europe. European SMEs will find information not only on national Chinese GB standards (voluntary and mandatory) but also on the relevant industry (sector) standards, normally much more difficult to obtain for foreign companies wanting to do business with China. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK If at first you don't succeed, delegate. But I support unbloated email http://www.asciiribbon.org/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://emc-pstc.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Opportunity at Juniper: China Homologation Manager
Hello All, Juniper is continuing to grow. I believe this is my third job posting in as many months. This position is located in Beijing. If you are interested, please send your resume directly to me. Thanks, Marko mradoji...@juniper.net Homologation Manager - China Requirements: · Senior level individual; self-starter able to work effectively with minimal management oversight · Ability to influence external organizations - standards bodies, governmental agencies, test labs · Budget management expertise · Ability to effectively manage numerous concurrent projects · Networking experience, ability to configure complex telecom and networking equipment · Ability to effectively communicate in Mandarin and English Desired: · JUNOS experience and certification is a major advantage · Expertise in obtaining MII and PSD approvals · Security protocol expertise · EMC and Safety engineering experience particularly as related to CCC homologation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: China immunity question
From a contact in China... The immunity part in GB/T9813-2000 refers to GB/T17618 , test method refer to GB/T 17626.5 which is equals to CISPR 24 and IEC 61000-4. Criteria for Ethernet (communication port) is, 1.5KVp-p for unprotected port. 4KVp-p for protected port 10/700 Tr/Th uS - Bill In the event of a national emergency, click on the following links to provide directions to your duly elected mis-representative. http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml or... https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm From: Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:48:48 PM Subject: China immunity question We’ve heard a rumor that China is requiring a surge test on Ethernet ports per GB/T9813-2000. 4 kV line to ground. Sounds like a product killer to me. Has anyone heard anything about this? Thanks. Ghery S. Pettit, NCE EMC Regulatory Compliance Manager Corporate Product Regulations and Standards Intel Corporation (253) 371-5515 ghery.pet...@intel.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China immunity question
We’ve heard a rumor that China is requiring a surge test on Ethernet ports per GB/T9813-2000. 4 kV line to ground. Sounds like a product killer to me. Has anyone heard anything about this? Thanks. Ghery S. Pettit, NCE EMC Regulatory Compliance Manager Corporate Product Regulations and Standards Intel Corporation (253) 371-5515 ghery.pet...@intel.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China RoHS
Dear experts, MIIT has issued proposal for Catalogue of Key Electronic Information Products Subject to Pollution Control(Catalogue 1) last year. Does anyone knows when it will take effective? Thanks. Regards, Aboo - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
China Quality Inspector
My company would like to start manufacturing in China so I am looking for a local Shenzhen company who specializes in quality inspections /audits Mechanical /electrical sub assemblies e . Joel Mandel Manager Quality Assurance Environmental Testing Teledata Networks Tel: +972.9.9591850 Fax: +972.9.9601171 Mobile: +972.54.7743272 Email: joel.man...@teledata-networks.com mailto:joel.man...@teledata-networks.com Teledata Networks - Access the Future - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates
Thanks Peter. Bayode From: peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com To: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com, bayode.olab...@checkpt.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 01/25/2010 12:19 PM Subject:Re: China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates Bayode Radio is covered under the China SRRC Peter --- On Mon, 1/25/10, bayode.olab...@checkpt.com bayode.olab...@checkpt.com wrote: From: bayode.olab...@checkpt.com bayode.olab...@checkpt.com Subject: Re: China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates To: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:18 AM One question - does the CCC mark cover radio requirements (similar to EN 300 330) for short range radio products? I have thought for some time that it covers both EMC and safety. Thanks, Bayode From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 01/25/2010 08:57 AM Subject:China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates To Those Who are Interested In: Effective September 1, 2009, CCC certificates are valid for five years. The original notice is available at: http:/ www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml . Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org http://us.mc1135.ma l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com ht p://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org http //us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org http://u .mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com http://u .mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com mailto:emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com mailto:emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product
Re: China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates
Bayode Radio is covered under the China SRRC Peter --- On Mon, 1/25/10, bayode.olab...@checkpt.com bayode.olab...@checkpt.com wrote: From: bayode.olab...@checkpt.com bayode.olab...@checkpt.com Subject: Re: China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates To: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:18 AM One question - does the CCC mark cover radio requirements (similar to EN 300 330) for short range radio products? I have thought for some time that it covers both EMC and safety. Thanks, Bayode From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 01/25/2010 08:57 AM Subject:China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates To Those Who are Interested In: Effective September 1, 2009, CCC certificates are valid for five years. The original notice is available at: http:/ www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml . Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org http://us.mc1135.ma l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com h tp://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org htt ://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org http:// s.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com http:// s.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates
One question - does the CCC mark cover radio requirements (similar to EN 300 330) for short range radio products? I have thought for some time that it covers both EMC and safety. Thanks, Bayode From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 01/25/2010 08:57 AM Subject:China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates To Those Who are Interested In: Effective September 1, 2009, CCC certificates are valid for five years. The original notice is available at: http:/ www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml . Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com mailto:emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China CNCA 2009 Notice No. 42 - Validation of CCC Certificates
To Those Who are Interested In: Effective September 1, 2009, CCC certificates are valid for five years. The original notice is available at: http:/ www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/205352.shtml. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation
Thanks Grace! --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com wrote: From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation To: Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com Cc: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:07 AM The best way to approach is to ask the customers/buyers. From my own opinion, for those organizations/companies and individuals that do not receive government fund should not be worry about. On 6/16/09, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com http://us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote: -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org http://us. c301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org http://us.mc 01.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org ] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:49 AM To: jeffcollin...@yahoo.com http:/ us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeffcollin...@yahoo.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG htt ://us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation Jeff, My interpretation: If you (your employer) do not sell your products to Chinese government(or any party subject to government rules), you don't need to worry about the rules (similar to WLAN products). I attach a quick translation for your reference. Regards, Grace Lin Now that opens up a whole new dimension! What Chinese entities are NOT subject to Chinese government rules? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com http://us.mc301.m il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 Military Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org http://us.mc301.mai .yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com ttp://us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org ht p://us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org http //us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com http: /us.mc301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc
Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation
The best way to approach is to ask the customers/buyers. From my own opinion, for those organizations/companies and individuals that do not receive government fund should not be worry about. On 6/16/09, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote: -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:49 AM To: jeffcollin...@yahoo.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation Jeff, My interpretation: If you (your employer) do not sell your products to Chinese government(or any party subject to government rules), you don't need to worry about the rules (similar to WLAN products). I attach a quick translation for your reference. Regards, Grace Lin Now that opens up a whole new dimension! What Chinese entities are NOT subject to Chinese government rules? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 Military Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: New China CCC Document - English Translation
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:49 AM To: jeffcollin...@yahoo.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation Jeff, My interpretation: If you (your employer) do not sell your products to Chinese government(or any party subject to government rules), you don't need to worry about the rules (similar to WLAN products). I attach a quick translation for your reference. Regards, Grace Lin Now that opens up a whole new dimension! What Chinese entities are NOT subject to Chinese government rules? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 Military Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: New China CCC Document - English Translation
Jeff, My interpretation: If you (your employer) do not sell your products to Chinese government(or any party subject to government rules), you don't need to worry about the rules (similar to WLAN products). I attach a quick translation for your reference. Regards, Grace Lin == An engineer from China Information Security Certification Center gave me a call. The requirements for the implementation rules of compulsory certification for the information security products have been published. Please refer to the following. No. 33, Year 2009 The compulsory implementation of information security products listed in 2008 CNCA Notice No. 7 has been postponed to May 1, 2010. It is implemented under the scope of government purchase (this means, from my interpretation, if the buyer is not a Chinese government, the rules are not mandatory). Announced Attachments: Complulsory Certification Implementation Rules for Information Security Products No 33, Year 2009 1. Security Operating Systems 2. Securiy Isolation and Informaiton Exchane Products 3. Security Router Products 4. Security Audit Products 5. Security Database Systems Products 6. Anti-trash Emails Products 7. Firewall Products 8. Intruder Detector Systems Products 9. Database Backup and Recovery Products 10. Network Security Isolation Cards and Circuit Selector Products 11. Network Weakness Scanning Products 12. Network Recovery Products 13. Wisdom Card cos Products April 27, 2009 === On 6/16/09, jeffcollin...@yahoo.com jeffcollin...@yahoo.com wrote: Group, The official CNCA document for CCC compliance was just released in May 2009. Does anyone have an official or unofficial translation in English? I'm specifically interested in knowing if Network Intrusion and Network Monitoring equipment now require the CCC mark. These categories of network equipment were previously exempt from CCC. 信息安全认证中心的工程师刚给我电话， 关于调整信息安全产品强制性认证实施要求的公告发布了，请参见下面。 2009年第33号 关于调整信息安全产品强制性认证实施要求的公告 国家质量监督检验检疫总局、国家认证认可监督管理委员会2008年第7号公告中涉及的信息安全产品强制性认证的强制实施时间延至2010年5月1日，在政府采购法规定的范围内强制实施。 特此公告。 附件：信息安全产品强制性认证实施规则（共13份） 1. 安全操作系统产品强制性认证实施规则 2. 安全隔离与信息交换产品强制性认证实施规则 3. 安全路由器产品强制性认证实施规则 4. 安全审计产品强制性认证实施规则 5. 安全数据库系统产品强制性认证实施规则 6. 反垃圾邮件产品强制性认证实施规则 7. 防火墙产品强制性认证实施规则 8. 入侵检测系统产品强制性认证实施规则 9. 数据备份与恢复产品强制认证实施规则 10. 网络安全隔离卡与线路选择器产品强制性认证实施规则 11. 网络脆弱性扫描产品强制性认证实施规则 12. 网站恢复产品强制性认证实施规则 13. 智能卡cos产品强制性认证实施规则 二九年四月二十七日 新的公告明确了在政府采购法规定的范围内强制实施。如果不参加政府采购，则不受限制。请参考。 Thanks, Jeff Collins Compliance Reliability - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
New China CCC Document - English Translation
Group, The official CNCA document for CCC compliance was just released in May 2009. Does anyone have an official or unofficial translation in English? I'm specifically interested in knowing if Network Intrusion and Network Monitoring equipment now require the CCC mark. These categories of network equipment were previously exempt from CCC. 信息安全认证中心的工程师刚给我电话， 关于调整信息安全产品强制性认证实施要求的公告发布了，请参见下面。 2009年第33号 关于调整信息安全产品强制性认证实施要求的公告 国家质量监督检验检疫总局、国家认证认可监督管理委员会2008年第7号公告中涉及的信息安全产品强制性认证的强制实施时间延至2010年5月1日，在政府采购法规定的范围内强制实施。 特此公告。 附件：信息安全产品强制性认证实施规则（共13份） 1. 安全操作系统产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/1F5D531406FE305B4D91A699F6C953EC.pdf 2. 安全隔离与信息交换产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/791D9B1F7730A6CB66366B101B4B8F5B.pdf 3. 安全路由器产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/6A09A1148BBBFE57B3C667B0BFDA3663.pdf 4. 安全审计产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/1AB1C8F30F7714BB5EDCEA25ED565A61.pdf 5. 安全数据库系统产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/10FE8098B16F464BF3124831D335384F.pdf 6. 反垃圾邮件产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/828233AF7C8F71D624346233575929CA.pdf 7. 防火墙产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/7147F27F32FF1ADD4D741DC959ACECD4.pdf 8. 入侵检测系统产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/98DA8407DB4F298FCC7AD41659F8E953.pdf 9. 数据备份与恢复产品强制认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/9BE9B301634C248296F08951CDA9C7FE.pdf 10. 网络安全隔离卡与线路选择器产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/6BC10754EAFD3793D923E7C5B28C71AB.pdf 11. 网络脆弱性扫描产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/0D7D92ABD92E190CF19BACC75A5158E5.pdf 12. 网站恢复产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/28C4B774B33DD839E7B4D2383C35CA6B.pdf 13. 智能卡cos产品强制性认证实施规则 http://www.cnca.gov.cn/cnca/zwxx/ggxx/images/2009/04/29/025718E9C44A0632D37DA478A53460B3.pdf 二九年四月二十七日 新的公告明确了在政府采购法规定的范围内强制实施。如果不参加政府采购，则不受限制。请参考。 Thanks, Jeff Collins Compliance Reliability - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China WEEE regulation
If anybody's interested, I have a translated copy of the Feb. 25, 2009 China WEEE regulation. I'd be happy to email it directly or post to the site of your choosing. Mike Mertinooke mertino...@skyskan.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: China WEEE
The regulation takes effect January 1, 2011. China will establich a WEEE processing fund. Manufacturers, importers, or agents have obligation to pay into the fund. (Article 7) On 3/9/09, James, Chris c...@dolby.co.uk wrote: If anyone is looking at this then here are some possibly useful links: Info http://www.chinaenvironmentallaw.com/2009/03/06/china-weee-finally-did- it/ Regulation (Chinese only) http://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2009-03/04/content_1250419.htm Google page translation http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hphl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. gov.cn%2Fzwgk%2F2009-03%2F04%2Fcontent_1250419.htmsl=zh-CNtl=en - This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
China WEEE
If anyone is looking at this then here are some possibly useful links: Info http://www.chinaenvironmentallaw.com/2009/03/06/china-weee-finally-did- it/ Regulation (Chinese only) http://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2009-03/04/content_1250419.htm Google page translation http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hphl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. gov.cn%2Fzwgk%2F2009-03%2F04%2Fcontent_1250419.htmsl=zh-CNtl=en This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: China CCC-S Label
Go to CNCA website at http://219.238.178.8/20040420/column/227.htm. Section 6.1 of each implementation rule shows the mark for the products. On 11/17/08, Gartman, Richard rgart...@ti.com wrote: Members, I am looking for what products need the CCC-S mark for China? Any guidance is appreciated. TI manufactures battery (AAA) powered Calculators. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251 Office: 972-917-1636Email: rgart...@ti.com mailto:rgart...@ti.com Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com http://www.education.ti.com/ http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship P Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
China CCC-S Label
Members, I am looking for what products need the CCC-S mark for China? Any guidance is appreciated. TI manufactures battery (AAA) powered Calculators. W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251 Office: 972-917-1636Email: rgart...@ti.com mailto:rgart...@ti.com Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com http://www.education.ti.com/ http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship http://education.ti.com/us/productstewardship P Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Electrical Safety regulations regarding PLUGS for DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSGFORMERS in CHINA
Constantin, The implementation rule, governing CCC approval process, for the standards Ted pointed out is CNCA-01C-003. An English version of this implementation rule is available from the CNCA web site at www.cnca.gov.cn. Click ENGLISH (upper right corner) to go to English web page. The CQC (merged with CEMC) is the only CCC certification center for the scope of this rule. There are about 20 test labs which are the best resources to ask questions if you have any connection to the people speaks Chinese. A quick Google search for the picture turned out at http://www.interpower.com/ic/sbc-x.asp. Two of my Chinese colleagues confirms this is the type they use in China. In addition to this type (two poles with ground), two poles (two parallel plates, equal length) and two poles dual use (two round pins, I believe) are the types listed in the GB 1002-1996. This standard in Chinese is available from webstore.ansi.org. The cost is less than a dinner bill. The standard provides diagrams and dimensions. It should not be difficult to figure out dimensions (in numbers). For a product under 36V, CCC may not apply. From my understanding, 36V applies to input and output, not only output. If a product interested is a power adaptor, other implementaion rule(s) and standards may apply. For a power adaptor for IT equipment, implementation rule CNCA-01C-020 applies. Test standards are GB4943, GB9254, and GB17625.1. For a power adaptor for audio/video equipment, implementation rule CNCA-01C-017 applies. Test standards are GB8898, GB13837, and GB17625.1. I hope this helps. Regards, Grace On 5/5/08, Ted Eckert tedeck...@yahoo.com wrote: The most common grounded plug type in China is the flat plug similar to the Australian plug. For Class II plugs (non-grounded), there is a plug configuration very similar to the U.S. and Japanese two bladed plug. The Chinese standards are GB 1002 and GB 2099.1 and it covers both configurations. I do not know if copies of the standards are readily available in English. Plugs, sockets and direct plug-in transformers must have CCC approval governed by the rules of CQC. However, other test agencies (such as UL and TÜV) are authorized to test to CQC rules, and these agencies may be able to help you with information regarding the exact details of the plug configuration. http://www.ul-asia.com/cma/main/UL-CMA-main.html http://www.int-app.tuv.com/country_details.asp?country=China - Ted Eckert Bolintineanu, Constantin cbolintine...@tycoint.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, I tried to find out on several channels information regarding the TYPE of ACCEPTABLE PLUGS to be used within DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMERS placed on the CHINESE MARKET. I was not able to find at least an answer. I searched on Internet and the results that I found are not relevant; I have the following questions: The RATINGS of that DIRECT PLUG-IN transformer are: PRIMARY 220-230V ac, SECONDARY 16Vac /20VA The QUESTIONS are: 1. Which is the MOST COMMON PLUG CONFIGURATION IN CHINA ? (ROUND pins, OR FLAT, or Aus-asia configuration )? DETAILS regarding this aspect (geometry, size, insulation, etc. will be very much appreciated, INCLUDING the NAME of the APPLICABLE REGULATORY DOCUMENT (Standard) that covers the DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMERS in China). 2. IF there an English version of that Standard, please be so kind and advise me from where we are able to buy it. 3. Are there in China any Standards for the INPUT PLUGS ? (e.g.: in Australia they have a specific Standard that covers Approval and test specification-Plugs and socket-outlets, AS/NZS 3112:2004) 4. Any available specification it will be very much appreciated if you can share with me, pictures, links, etc. 5. IS IT MANDATORY for a such DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMER to have the CCC APPROVAL or not ? In my engineering judgement the answer is YES, but I received some feedback that due to the OUTPUT (?!?) voltage (less than 35 Volts) it is not necessary to be CCC Approved...??!? Your feedback and advises are very much appreciated. Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu P.Eng. TYCO SAFETY PRODUCTS CANADA 3301 LANGSTAFF Road, L4K 4L2 CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA e-mail: cbolintine...@tycoint.com Tel: 905 760 3000 ext 2568 Fax: 905 760 3020 DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient
Electrical Safety regulations regarding PLUGS for DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSGFORMERS in CHINA
Dear Colleagues, I tried to find out on several channels information regarding the TYPE of ACCEPTABLE PLUGS to be used within DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMERS placed on the CHINESE MARKET. I was not able to find at least an answer. I searched on Internet and the results that I found are not relevant; I have the following questions: The RATINGS of that DIRECT PLUG-IN transformer are: PRIMARY 220-230V ac, SECONDARY 16Vac /20VA The QUESTIONS are: 1. Which is the MOST COMMON PLUG CONFIGURATION IN CHINA ? (ROUND pins, OR FLAT, or Aus-asia configuration )? DETAILS regarding this aspect (geometry, size, insulation, etc. will be very much appreciated, INCLUDING the NAME of the APPLICABLE REGULATORY DOCUMENT (Standard) that covers the DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMERS in China). 2. IF there an English version of that Standard, please be so kind and advise me from where we are able to buy it. 3. Are there in China any Standards for the INPUT PLUGS ? (e.g.: in Australia they have a specific Standard that covers Approval and test specification-Plugs and socket-outlets, AS/NZS 3112:2004) 4. Any available specification it will be very much appreciated if you can share with me, pictures, links, etc. 5. IS IT MANDATORY for a such DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMER to have the CCC APPROVAL or not ? In my engineering judgement the answer is YES, but I received some feedback that due to the OUTPUT (?!?) voltage (less than 35 Volts) it is not necessary to be CCC Approved...??!? Your feedback and advises are very much appreciated. Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu P.Eng. TYCO SAFETY PRODUCTS CANADA 3301 LANGSTAFF Road, L4K 4L2 CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA e-mail: cbolintine...@tycoint.com Tel: 905 760 3000 ext 2568 Fax: 905 760 3020 DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return the message and its attachments to the sender, and then please delete from your system without copying or forwarding it or call TSPC at 905 760 3000 extension 2568 so that the sender's address records can be corrected. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:44 AM To: Curt McNamara; ted.eck...@apcc.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Safety regulations [text][heur][BCC][ffrom][spf] Curt writes: To phrase this another way: someone else's label (the power supply manufacturer) is not a valid indicator that a product has a safety approval. If I understand the original question correctly, this is what it really comes down to. The power supply may be Listed by itself, but that does not mean that the end product using it is then somehow covered by the power supply Listing, even if no additional hazards are present in the end product outside the power supply. If there is a requirement for the end product to be Listed, then it must be evaluated separately. Allowing the power supply Listing mark to be visible in the end product in such a way that the customer is led to believe that this mark covers the end product is a no-no. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Tel: 970-407-6872 Fax: 970-407-5872 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Curt McNamara Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:38 AM To: ted.eck...@apcc.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Safety regulations Wow! The chart shows 2A at 45V for Class II, or 100VA as you note. This is a lot of energy to me, and can certainly result in ignition given the correct conditions. I note that the standard also shows voltages above SELV as permissible. The implication in the original question was information technology (as far as I could tell). Even with approved supplies and only SELV levels safety investigations are still required. Some examples: Flammable material (the laptop plastic case). Fault (5V to ground) causes part to fall off board through vent hole, igniting material on table. There are lots of ways to design unsafe products using only SELV (not even considering Class II). If your product needs a safety approval then an investigation is required. To phrase this another way: someone else's label (the power supply manufacturer) is not a valid indicator that a product has a safety approval. Curt in real life Curt McNamara, P.E. // principal electrical engineer Logic Product Development 411 Washington Ave. N. Suite 400 Minneapolis, MN 55401 T // 612.436.5178 F // 612.672.9489 _www.logicpd.com_ /exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.logicpd.com/ On May 2, 2008, at 7:24 AM, ted.eck...@apcc.com wrote
Re: Electrical Safety regulations regarding PLUGS for DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSGFORMERS in CHINA
The most common grounded plug type in China is the flat plug similar to the Australian plug. For Class II plugs (non-grounded), there is a plug configuration very similar to the U.S. and Japanese two bladed plug. The Chinese standards are GB 1002 and GB 2099.1 and it covers both configurations. I do not know if copies of the standards are readily available in English. Plugs, sockets and direct plug-in transformers must have CCC approval governed by the rules of CQC. However, other test agencies (such as UL and TÜV) are authorized to test to CQC rules, and these agencies may be able to help you with information regarding the exact details of the plug configuration. http://www.ul-asia.com/cma/main/UL-CMA-main.html http://www.int-app.tuv.com/country_details.asp?country=China - Ted Eckert Bolintineanu, Constantin cbolintine...@tycoint.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, I tried to find out on several channels information regarding the TYPE of ACCEPTABLE PLUGS to be used within DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMERS placed on the CHINESE MARKET. I was not able to find at least an answer. I searched on Internet and the results that I found are not relevant; I have the following questions: The RATINGS of that DIRECT PLUG-IN transformer are: PRIMARY 220-230V ac, SECONDARY 16Vac /20VA The QUESTIONS are: 1. Which is the MOST COMMON PLUG CONFIGURATION IN CHINA ? (ROUND pins, OR FLAT, or Aus-asia configuration )? DETAILS regarding this aspect (geometry, size, insulation, etc. will be very much appreciated, INCLUDING the NAME of the APPLICABLE REGULATORY DOCUMENT (Standard) that covers the DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMERS in China). 2. IF there an English version of that Standard, please be so kind and advise me from where we are able to buy it. 3. Are there in China any Standards for the INPUT PLUGS ? (e.g.: in Australia they have a specific Standard that covers Approval and test specification-Plugs and socket-outlets, AS/NZS 3112:2004) 4. Any available specification it will be very much appreciated if you can share with me, pictures, links, etc. 5. IS IT MANDATORY for a such DIRECT PLUG-IN TRANSFORMER to have the CCC APPROVAL or not ? In my engineering judgement the answer is YES, but I received some feedback that due to the OUTPUT (?!?) voltage (less than 35 Volts) it is not necessary to be CCC Approved...??!? Your feedback and advises are very much appreciated. Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu P.Eng. TYCO SAFETY PRODUCTS CANADA 3301 LANGSTAFF Road, L4K 4L2 CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA e-mail: cbolintine...@tycoint.com Tel: 905 760 3000 ext 2568 Fax: 905 760 3020 DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return the message and its attachments to the sender, and then please delete from your system without copying or forwarding it or call TSPC at 905 760 3000 extension 2568 so that the sender's address records can be corrected. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:44 AM To: Curt McNamara; ted.eck...@apcc.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Safety regulations [text][heur][BCC][ffrom][spf] Curt writes: To phrase this another way: someone else's label (the power supply manufacturer) is not a valid indicator that a product has a safety approval. If I understand the original question correctly, this is what it really comes down to. The power supply may be Listed by itself, but that does not mean that the end product using it is then somehow covered by the power supply Listing, even if no additional hazards are present in the end product outside the power supply. If there is a requirement for the end product to be Listed, then it must be evaluated separately. Allowing the power supply Listing mark to be visible in the end product in such a way that the customer is led to believe that this mark covers the end product is a no-no. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Tel: 970-407-6872 Fax: 970-407-5872 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Curt McNamara Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:38 AM To: ted.eck...@apcc.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Safety regulations Wow! The chart shows 2A at 45V for Class II
Re: China CCC and CE?
Curt, The main difference is that a major component in your system such as a power supply or monitor must also be CCC Certified or must have the component evaluated separately by the China test house. This can be done by by submitting an IEC CB Test Report with China deviations on the component or tested in-country. You are correct in that for many product categories, the Chinese GB standards are equivalent to their IEC equivalent standards. Unlike CE which is a self declaration by the manufacturer, getting a CCC certificate also involves an initial inspection at the factory and yearly follow-up inspections. Best Regards, Peter Curt McNamara mcnam...@umn.edu wrote: Is there any relation between having met CE standards and getting a CCC certificate? I am aware many of the CCC tests are based on IEC standards. Curt - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http //tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - --- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: China CCC and CE?
In message e2f07269-948f-4a2c-b173-689cbedba...@umn.edu, dated Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Curt McNamara mcnam...@umn.edu writes: Is there any relation between having met CE standards and getting a CCC certificate? I am aware many of the CCC tests are based on IEC standards. In some cases. But to give you a *helpful* answer, we would need to know which product(s) and which 'CE standards'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk The bankers who've caused the present mess should have our displeasure impressed on their bare sterns John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
China Update
Dear Members, The following update is based on the discussion with a CNCA representative from its certification department during the VCCI International Forum 2008 held March 7, 2008 in Tokyo, Japan. In-Country Testing In-country testing is no longer a requirement as long as a country-to-country MRA is signed. The first country to take this advantage is New Zealand. WLAN CCC certification is not mandatory for WLAN except for those products sold to Chinese government. China RoHS Catalogue Fomulation of this catalogue has not been started. The possible items to be included in the first release is more likely to be components. I hope this helps. Best regards, Grace - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
