date:20060704

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > --- Gillam wrote:
> > >
> > > > on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken 
> > > > >>> as  well: he says that Bush should do with 
> > > > >>> energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the 
> > space program (you know: "send a man to the moon 
> > > > >>> and bring him  safely back to Earth").  
> > > > >>> Commit the country to finding alternative 
> > > > >>> fuels and getting us off the back of  oil.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar 
> > surplus?
> > > 
> > > Republican Congress?
> > >
> > 
> > Are you giving the Republican Congress complements for having a 
> > balanced budget/surplus ... or  are you chastising them for 
not 
> > instituting an alternative fuels project?
> 
> I'm not chastising, and I'm certainly not complimenting. 
> I'm venturing a guess as to why Clinton didn't launch a
> grand plan for energy independence. It seems such a 
> plan would be futile unless the Republicans were behind 
> it, seeing as they controlled Congress for three-quarters
> of his presidency. Is it part of the Republican plan for
> America?
>

Well, if the Republican Congress is to take the blame, then they 
should also get the credit for the good things that happened during 
the Clinton administration, too, no?  Such as: balancing the budget, 
welfare reform, free trade...






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[FairfieldLife] Nearest Antecedents

Antecedent Nouns

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Anyway, she was a real pain in the ass for Pres.Bush, last summer;
> Seemed like he never got out of the slump she created;
> When he refused to visit with her.
> What a pussy.

I was taught in grade school (or maybe i lurned not so gud) that
pronouns refer to the closest preceeding  noun.

And violation of this rule has caused some problems of
misuderstandings in past posts -- like (apparently) Spraig' 5 year old
neighbor not wanting to date him. (Officer, he meant her mother.)

I assume that nouns refer to to the closest preceeding  pronoun.

Thus I was amusedly going to point out that RG appears to be calling
Shehan a pussy.

But I can't find the above rule cited anywhere. Is it obsolete?

(Like not starting a sentence with "And", but today its OK.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pronoun+reference&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&clien\
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[FairfieldLife] Antecedent Nouns

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Anyway, she was a real pain in the ass for Pres.Bush, last summer;
> Seemed like he never got out of the slump she created;
> When he refused to visit with her.
> What a pussy.

I was taught in grade school (or maybe i lurned not so gud) that
pronouns refer to the closest preceeding antecedent noun. 

And violation of this rule has caused some problems of
misuderstandings in past posts -- like (apparently) Spraig' 5 year old
neighbor not wanting to date him. (Officer, he meant her mother.) 

Thus I was amusedly going to point out that RG appears to be calling
Shehan a pussy. 

But I can't find the above rule cited anywhere. Is it obsolete?

(Like not starting a sentence with "And", but today its OK.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pronoun+reference&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-04 Thread bob_brigante

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html

"The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the 
oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for 
cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that 
process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry."






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sheehan Adopts The : Mahatma Approach' ([Great Soul] App...

2006-07-04 Thread Robert Gimbel

I have heard right wing extremists are setting up a stir fry  buffet 
> just up 
> > wind of the fasting protesters.
> 
>

 Ha, ha, that would be funny; maybe some burning crosses too, would 
> add a touch!
>
 I think she needs to lose some weight anyway; whadaya think?
>
 Anyway, she was a real pain in the ass for Pres.Bush, last summer;
> Seemed like he never got out of the slump she created;
>
 When he refused to visit with her.
  
Remember that 'spin' nightmare...soon after followed another spin 
nightmare: Hurricane Katrina...

Now's he's heard sexing with Condalezza, who knows?

What the heck, have another beer...and watch the damn game!


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 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  Anti-war protesters begin July 4 fast
> > Mon Jul 3, 2006 8:07pm ET
> > By Amanda Beck
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 150 protesters sat in front of the 
> White  House 
> > on Monday to savor their last meal before starting a hunger 
strike 
> that  some 
> > said will continue until American troops return from Iraq.
> > The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was 
> organized by  
> > CodePink, a women's anti-war group that called on volunteers to 
> abstain from  
> > eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday.
> > Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th.
> > 
> >  
> > Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, 
said 
> she  
> > would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she 
> would spend  
> > outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.
> > "This war is a crime," Sheehan told a crowd of clapping, 
cheering  
> > protesters. "We represent millions of Americans who withdraw 
their 
> support  from this 
> > government."
> > The demonstrators crouched in the muggy evening next to a piece 
of 
> pink  
> > plastic, spread down the road as a table and table-cloth in one. 
It 
> was  covered 
> > with wilted pink sunflowers and plates of vegetarian curry, 
white  
> rice, and 
> > beans.
> > The demonstration aimed at highlighting the costs of the war, in 
> which  more 
> > than 2,500 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqis have died, said 
> CodePink  
> > spokeswoman Meredith Dearborn.
> > "We have to put our own lives on the line, and I'm willing to do 
> that,"  said 
> > activist Diane Wilson, who pledged to fast until the United 
States  
> withdraws 
> > from Iraq.
> > Dearborn said 2,700 other activists nationwide, including actors 
> Susan  
> > Sarandon and Sean Penn, would work as a relay team passing the 
fast 
> daily from  one 
> > to another.> © Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
> > 
> > 
> 
> >  
> > 
>  > >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sheehan Adopts The : Mahatma Approach' ([Great Soul] App...

2006-07-04 Thread Robert Gimbel

 Anti-war protesters begin July 4 fast
> Mon Jul 3, 2006 8:07pm ET
> By Amanda Beck
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 150 protesters sat in front of the 
White  House 
> on Monday to savor their last meal before starting a hunger strike 
that  some 
> said will continue until American troops return from Iraq.
> The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was 
organized by  
> CodePink, a women's anti-war group that called on volunteers to 
abstain from  
> eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday.
> Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th.
> 
>  
> Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, said 
she  
> would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she 
would spend  
> outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.
> "This war is a crime," Sheehan told a crowd of clapping, cheering  
> protesters. "We represent millions of Americans who withdraw their 
support  from this 
> government."
> The demonstrators crouched in the muggy evening next to a piece of 
pink  
> plastic, spread down the road as a table and table-cloth in one. It 
was  covered 
> with wilted pink sunflowers and plates of vegetarian curry, white  
rice, and 
> beans.
> The demonstration aimed at highlighting the costs of the war, in 
which  more 
> than 2,500 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqis have died, said 
CodePink  
> spokeswoman Meredith Dearborn.
> "We have to put our own lives on the line, and I'm willing to do 
that,"  said 
> activist Diane Wilson, who pledged to fast until the United States  
withdraws 
> from Iraq.
> Dearborn said 2,700 other activists nationwide, including actors 
Susan  
> Sarandon and Sean Penn, would work as a relay team passing the fast 
daily from  one 
> to another.> © Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
> 
> 

>  
> 
 I have heard right wing extremists are setting up a stir fry  buffet 
just up 
> wind of the fasting protesters.

Ha, ha, that would be funny; maybe some burning crosses too, would 
add a touch!
I think she needs to lose some weight anyway; whadaya think?
Anyway, she was a real pain in the ass for Pres.Bush, last summer;
Seemed like he never got out of the slump she created;
When he refused to visit with her.
What a pussy.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Project Avebury, July 22nd, 2006

2006-07-04 Thread Patrick Gillam

Everyone's invited to emanate woowoo rays:

"Please join in our Great Meditation on 
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:00 pm British 
Summer Time."

http://tinyurl.com/hbo2j

"Very often strange things happen in the 
time after such meditation ceremonies. 
Please let us know if you have an amazing 
or strange happening/synchronicity. 
Come back here from time to time, we 
surely have news for you!"






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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

2006-07-04 Thread Patrick Gillam

--- shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> --- Gillam wrote:
> >
> > > on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken 
> > > >>> as  well: he says that Bush should do with 
> > > >>> energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the 
> space program (you know: "send a man to the moon 
> > > >>> and bring him  safely back to Earth").  
> > > >>> Commit the country to finding alternative 
> > > >>> fuels and getting us off the back of  oil.
> > > >>> 
> > > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar 
> surplus?
> > 
> > Republican Congress?
> >
> 
> Are you giving the Republican Congress complements for having a 
> balanced budget/surplus ... or  are you chastising them for not 
> instituting an alternative fuels project?

I'm not chastising, and I'm certainly not complimenting. 
I'm venturing a guess as to why Clinton didn't launch a
grand plan for energy independence. It seems such a 
plan would be futile unless the Republicans were behind 
it, seeing as they controlled Congress for three-quarters
of his presidency. Is it part of the Republican plan for
America?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

2006-07-04 Thread Nelson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Sadly, your last few lines are correct: when we do find 
> > alternatives, their use will bring down the price of oil (of 
which 
> > there is about 600 years at current consumption rates left at 
known 
> > reserves) and people will continue to use oil.
> 
> How Much Oil?  Peak Oil  
> 
> The world has approximately 1 trillion barrels of conventional oil 
> left in the ground, and the nations of the world consume about 85 
> million barrels of that oil every day.
> 
> Here's a way to think about those numbers. 1 trillion barrels (at 
42 
> gallons per barrel) works out to about 38 cubic miles, which is 
the 
> volume of a cube about 3.4 miles on a side. That's enough to cover 
> New York City's 300 sq. mi. land area to a depth of an eighth of a 
> mile (a little more than the length of two football fields). 
That's 
> it. That's what's left. In the world.
> 
> At present, the world's consuming almost 1.2 cubic miles per year, 
> and demand is growing by several percent a year.
> 
snip
+++ Is it not odd that no one complains about amount of waste that 
the plastics industries account for with making all sorts of usless 
landfill?
It is my opinion from observing life in the forties and some 
thirties that we could do well without a lot of it.  N.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> As you know, most
> >> scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!
> >
> > um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
> > presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.
> 
> I guess that depends who you ask. 
> The general consensus in scientific  
> circles for years has been to scoff at it.

I'll guess its based on no credible research on such has been repeated
presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. But I'll ask
around.

 >
> > Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
> > least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
> > latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
> > predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
> > the apparent processes and "elements" involved.
> >
> >> No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't
> >> many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in
> >> utero and during development...
> >
> > Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you?
> 
> Certainly!

Yea, I bet they are doozies. Haliburton, the Tri-Lateral Commission
and the pilot of the plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon are
involved, right?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop the bullshit stream and ACT

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:

> > > > Armageddon freaks are basically saying to the world,
> > > > "I'm so important that the world is going to end in
> > > > my lifetime. Believe what I believe and you'll be
> > > > important, too." Yeah, right.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Well said.
> > 
> > Who here was saying the world was going to end
> > in their lifetime, Shemp and Barry?
> 
> So, finally, we're getting somewhere.

No, Shemp, we always *were* here.  You and Barry were
off in outer space somewhere.

> 
> Okay, then: global warming isn't going to end in Armagedden...what 
> exactly are going to be the consequences of it?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> As you know, most
> >> scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!
> >
> > um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
> > presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.
> >
> > Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
> > least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
> > latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
> > predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
> > the apparent processes and "elements" involved.
> >
> >> No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't
> >> many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in
> >> utero and during development...
> >
> > Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you?
> 
> Do you realize you are sending out your messages in triplicate? (or  
> at least that's how they're arriving).

One for the physical body, one for the astral, and one for the causal
body. Duh. :) Each written by one of the gunas.

Actually, I saw the dups happening for one post. i erased the two
duplicates. I only sent it once. Yahoo's orgone is clearly blocked
today and it is functioning poorly. Probably Yahoo needs to get laid.
Maybe MSN will put on that hot short skirt and walk by.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make 
> to 
> > > people 
> > > > > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > > > > armagedden is right around the corner
> > > > 
> > > > Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Then tell us exactly what you think the terrible global warming 
> is 
> > > going to create for mankind and planet earth.
> > >
> > 
> > One quite plausible result will be the loss of most coastal 
> cities, I believe.
> >
> 
> 
> I would most certainly describe that as "Armagedden", wouldn't you?
>

Well, no, since that's a Blblical term with a specific description that is 
certainly more than 
mere coastal flooding.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > Check out:
> > 
> > http://www.orgonomy.org/
> 
> Ok, I will. 

Mission accomplished.

"Using Reich's astrophysical discoveries as a basis, it is possible to
elucidate the relationships between different celestial motions. These
relationships, though obvious once discovered, have eluded centuries
of mechanistic research. In attempting to develop Reich's conclusion
that "the equatorial orgone envelope provides the concrete physical
mover of the planets," [1:81] it is shown that the directions of
rotation of the sun and each of the nine planets are in simple
functional relations to the galactic plane. This constitutes an
advance over the mechanistic view, wherein there is no relationship
whatsoever between the orientations of the planets relative to each
other and no relationship between the directions of planetary rotation
and other realms of celestial motion."

So the empirical data, predictions, research, peer-reviewed
publications, debate in journals, etc for this speculative theory is
where? I assume the rest of the site is of this same caliber - grand
speculations with no substance (as in research to back up (or
disprove) the speculations.

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On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As you know, most   scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!  um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.  Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved.   No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't   many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in   utero and during development...  Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Do you realize you are sending out your messages in triplicate? (or at least that's how they're arriving).
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>
> Check out:
> 
> http://www.orgonomy.org/

Ok, I will. 

> On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:48 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of
> > substance.
> 
> There a huge amount of material out there and a lot online.

Huge amount yes. Of substance -- not that I have seen. Though if
quoting him gets one laid, I guess thats of substance. 

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As you know, most  
> scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!

um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.

Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
the apparent processes and "elements" involved. 

> No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't  
> many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in  
> utero and during development...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As you know, most  
> scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!

um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.

Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
the apparent processes and "elements" involved. 

> No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't  
> many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in  
> utero and during development...

Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you?

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  Anti-war protesters begin July 4 fast
  Mon Jul 3, 2006 8:07pm ET
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
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  WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 150 protesters sat in front of the White 
  House on Monday to savor their last meal before starting a hunger strike that 
  some said will continue until American troops return from Iraq.
  The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was organized by 
  CodePink, a women's anti-war group that called on volunteers to abstain from 
  eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday.
  Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th.
  
  
  Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, said she 
  would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she would spend 
  outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.
  "This war is a crime," Sheehan told a crowd of clapping, cheering 
  protesters. "We represent millions of Americans who withdraw their support 
  from this government."
  The demonstrators crouched in the muggy evening next to a piece of pink 
  plastic, spread down the road as a table and table-cloth in one. It was 
  covered with wilted pink sunflowers and plates of vegetarian curry, white 
  rice, and beans.
  The demonstration aimed at highlighting the costs of the war, in which 
  more than 2,500 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqis have died, said CodePink 
  spokeswoman Meredith Dearborn.
  "We have to put our own lives on the line, and I'm willing to do that," 
  said activist Diane Wilson, who pledged to fast until the United States 
  withdraws from Iraq.
  Dearborn said 2,700 other activists nationwide, including actors Susan 
  Sarandon and Sean Penn, would work as a relay team passing the fast daily from 
  one to another.
  
  
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I have heard right wing extremists are setting up a stir fry 
buffet just up wind of the fasting protesters.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil


On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:15 PM, new.morning wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies
>> into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by
>> corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars.
>> In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they
>> completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the
>> people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The
>> original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face
>> it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these
>> technologies never make it to the market.
>
> And which technologies are these? And which corporations? Haliburton
> undoubtably is in there. And these technologies can ONLY be developed
> by large corps that are "running the govt" and not small companies --
> where most innovations / patents, comes from, venture capital is
> deployed, or start-ups from large corp  runaways, etc?

It seems to me the more grassroots movement that is bringing these  
technologies to market are smaller, but face strong opposition from  
oil companies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/04/60minutes/main1588659.shtml? 
source=RSS&attr=60Minutes_1588659?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

Brazil made the decision years ago to be oil dependent, what are the  
factors that have prevented that from occurring here?


>
>
>> A grassroots economy handed
>> over to non-factory farmers
>
> Most new sectors are created by innovators and entrepreneurs, not
> "handed over' by anyone.

See the above article/video.

>
>> and rendering energy policy back to the
>> people
>
> One good election could do wonders, though from Carter to Clinton,
> they have miffed huge opportunities in energy policy

Depending on who sways votes or the voting machines...

>
>> is totally untenable to our current political situation. A
>> government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.
>
> Vote for the 15 points: IRV, no jerrymandering, public funding of pres
> and congress, flat tax, etc and the people will begin to re-own the
> gov't. Otherwise, jefferson's expectation a revolution (new
> consitution, new govt) every 20-50 years, may become even riper.

I'm hoping.

>
>> Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically
>> engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable
>> in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.
>
> Hardly a believable premise as an absolute ("the only").

A deliberate exaggeration of a nightmare future.

> Which
> corporations specifically doing this? Is it disclosed in their
> quarterly 10-Q's -- in which public companies are required to disclose
> all relevant information regarding their financial positions and
> prospects.

LOL. Yeah, right.

How did the genetically engineered food labeling act got through  
congress so quietly?

Gremlins! That's it!

>
>> Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and
>> atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to
>> help shunt some solar radiation back out into space.
>
> Wow. This is happening? And escaped the notice of most climate  
> scientists?

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/ 
Chemtrails_In_US_Schools.htm

>
>> This technology
>> and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the
>> public school system.
>
> Um, in which course is that?
>
>> But the real danger is in what we don't know.
>
> Or perhaps for some, a greater danger is in the bogus things they
> think they know.
>
>> As many mystical
>> traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient
>> life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific
>> materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist,
>> Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned
>> and he was thrown into prison (where he died).
>
> Not the version I remember.
>
>> Never mind the motor
>> which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared
>> at the same time.
>
> Free as in "water", for example. Water is free, hydro power is not.

Well, I saw an old video. It required an initial start from  
electricity and then supposedly ran entirely on "orgone".

>
> And who besides Reich saw this machine?

His son, Peter, numerous others. IIRC it's mentioned in Peter's _Book  
of Dreams_.

>
>> Never mind his research which showed
>> desertification was linked to prana depletion.
>
>
> Ok, I won't mind some reserch which is not detailed as to its
> credibility and worth.

It's fairly detailed and has been followed up by geologists.  
Interesting stuff. I was extremely skeptical as well. Interesting if  
it pans out.

>
>> Don't even speak of
>> his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the
>> devices he created.
>
> OK. Mums the word.
>
>
>> Fortunately his remaining works were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich

I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of
substance. Though he was popular in the 60's as the advocate of social
problems being due to too little indiscriminant sex. Popular set of
lines developed quoting Reich. And no valid research on his orgone
boxes energies in those 30 years that I can see. Even though his works
appear quite well accessable and published (and thus knowledge of his
"technologies" do not appear secret or hidden. 


http://skepdic.com/orgone.html
...unlike Sir Isaac Newton, Reich was not willing to stand upon the
shoulders of giants. He stood only as high as his own experiences
would allow, and from this low perch imagined himself to be a lone
eagle soaring higher than any other man had ever reached. 

Reich died on November 3, 1957, in the Federal Penitentiary at
Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, where he was sent for criminal contempt. The
criminal charge was levied because Reich refused to obey an injunction
against selling quack medical devices such as the Orgone Accumulator
and orgone "shooters," devices which allegedly could collect and
distribute orgone energy, thereby making possible the cure for  just
about any medical disorder except, perhaps, megalomania and self-delusion.

Despite having little status in the scientific community, Reich's
ideas have been passed on by a number of devoted followers led by
Elsworth F. Baker, M.D., founder of  The American College of Orgonomy,
and Dr. James DeMeo of The Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory,
Inc., located in Ashland, Oregon. Baker's successors (he died in 1985)
and DeMeo continue to defend both Reich the scientist and orgonomy. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich
In 1947, following a series of articles about orgone in The New
Republic and Harper's, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
began an investigation into Reich's claims about orgone therapy, and
won an injunction against its promotion as a medical treatment.
Charged with contempt of court for violating the injunction, Reich
conducted his own defense, which involved sending the judge all his
books to read. He was sentenced to two years' imprisonment.

Reich developed a theory that the ability to feel sexual love depended
on a physical ability to make love with what he called "orgastic
potency." He attempted to "measure" the male orgasm, noting that four
distinct phases occurred physiologically: first, the psychosexual
build-up or tension; second. the tumescence of the penis, with an
accompanying "charge," which Reich measured electrically; third, an
electrical discharge at the moment of orgasm, and fourth, the
relaxation of the penis. He believed the force that he measured was a
distinct type of energy present in all life forms. He called it
"orgone." [3]


Reich agreed with Freud that sexual development was the origin of
mental disorder. They both believed that most psychological states
were dictated by unconscious processes; that infant sexuality develops
early but is repressed, and that this has important consequences for
mental health. They were both atheists, believing that morality is a
repression of the sexuality of individuals imposed on them as they
move from childhood to maturity. At that time a Marxist, Reich argued
that the source of sexual repression was bourgeois morality and the
socio-economic structures that produced it. As sexual repression was
the cause of the neuroses, the best cure would be to have an active,
guilt-free sex life. He argued that such a liberation could come about
only through a morality not imposed by a repressive economic
structure. [4] In 1928, he joined the Austrian Communist Party and
founded the Socialist Association for Sexual Counselling and Research,
which organized counselling centers for workersin contrast to Freud,
who was perceived as treating only the bourgeoisie.

Reich employed an unusual therapeutic method. He used touch to
accompany the talking cure, taking an active role in sessions, feeling
his patients' chests [Its ok, I'm a doctor] to check their breathing,
repositioning their bodies, and sometimes requiring them to remove
their clothes [again, its ok, i am a scientist], so that men were
treated wearing shorts and women in bra and panties. These methods
caused a split between Reich and the rest of the psychoanalytic
community. [5]

In 1930, he moved his practice to Berlin and joined the Communist
Party of Germany, becoming its spokesman. 

In 1940, Reich built boxes  orgone accumulators  to concentrate
orgone energy in the atmosphere, some for lab animals, and some large
enough for a human being to sit inside. He now believed orgone was a
type of primordial cosmic energy, blue in color, which he claimed was
omnipresent and responsible for such things as weather, the color of
the sky, gravity, the formation of galaxies, and the biological
expressions of emotion and sexuality. Composed of alternating layers
of ferrous metals and insulators with a high-dielectrical constant,
his orgone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming







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One 
  quite plausible result will be the loss of most coastal cities, I 
  believe.>I would most certainly describe that as 
  "Armagedden", wouldn't you?

Lets see, Boston ,New York, D.C.,Miami, New Orleans, Houston, 
Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle , oh lets through in Chicago. Aren't 
these the backbone of the Democratic party?
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  then: global warming isn't going to end in Armagedden...what exactly 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
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> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make 
to 
> > people 
> > > > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > > > armagedden is right around the corner
> > > 
> > > Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Then tell us exactly what you think the terrible global warming 
is 
> > going to create for mankind and planet earth.
> >
> 
> One quite plausible result will be the loss of most coastal 
cities, I believe.
>


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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 

> The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies  
> into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by  
> corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars.  
> In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they  
> completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the  
> people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The  
> original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face  
> it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these  
> technologies never make it to the market. 

And which technologies are these? And which corporations? Haliburton
undoubtably is in there. And these technologies can ONLY be developed
by large corps that are "running the govt" and not small companies --
where most innovations / patents, comes from, venture capital is
deployed, or start-ups from large corp  runaways, etc?  

> A grassroots economy handed  
> over to non-factory farmers 

Most new sectors are created by innovators and entrepreneurs, not
"handed over' by anyone. 

> and rendering energy policy back to the  
> people 

One good election could do wonders, though from Carter to Clinton,
they have miffed huge opportunities in energy policy

>is totally untenable to our current political situation. A  
> government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.

Vote for the 15 points: IRV, no jerrymandering, public funding of pres
and congress, flat tax, etc and the people will begin to re-own the
gov't. Otherwise, jefferson's expectation a revolution (new
consitution, new govt) every 20-50 years, may become even riper. 

> Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically  
> engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable  
> in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.

Hardly a believable premise as an absolute ("the only"). Which
corporations specifically doing this? Is it disclosed in their
quarterly 10-Q's -- in which public companies are required to disclose
all relevant information regarding their financial positions and
prospects. 

> Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and  
> atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to  
> help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. 

Wow. This is happening? And escaped the notice of most climate scientists?

> This technology  
> and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the  
> public school system.

Um, in which course is that? 

> But the real danger is in what we don't know. 

Or perhaps for some, a greater danger is in the bogus things they
think they know. 

> As many mystical  
> traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient  
> life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific  
> materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist,  
> Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned  
> and he was thrown into prison (where he died). 

Not the version I remember.

>Never mind the motor  
> which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared  
> at the same time. 

Free as in "water", for example. Water is free, hydro power is not. 

And who besides Reich saw this machine?

> Never mind his research which showed  
> desertification was linked to prana depletion. 

Ok, I won't mind some reserch which is not detailed as to its
credibility and worth.

> Don't even speak of  
> his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the  
> devices he created.

OK. Mums the word.

> Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years  
> after his death. 

And what? The Tri-Lateral commission won't let it be opened? Even
though it will save the earth?

> 2008 marks the end of that 50 years and from what  
> I've seen, it's some pretty remarkable research...

So what other scientists share that view? Why nothing of note yet in
the science press? Or if I missed it, what are the cites in quality
science publications?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop the bullshit stream and ACT

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like someone's got his panties in a twist. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I tell a personal story of what all this stuff 
> > > > > means to me, *defend* people like you because
> > > > > you're too brainwashed or stupid to know any
> > > > > better, and all of a sudden I'm being accused
> > > > > of believing in and preacing Armageddon. :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Look, dude. You and I both know that you believe
> > > > > about a tenth of the horseshit you spout here.
> > > > > You just do it to get a rise out of people. You 
> > > > > didn't get one out of me, and that's what you're 
> > > > > pissed off about.
> > > > 
> > > > Do you subscribe to new.morning's Armagedden in post 
> > > > #103755?  'Cause from what you've written in the past and 
> > > > what you write below I thought you did.  I will stand 
> > > > corrected and apologise if you dont'.
> > > > 
> > > > Let me know.
> > > 
> > > I don't have any idea; I don't read his posts unless
> > > someone I do read posts to one of the threads he...
> > > uh...contributes to.
> > > 
> > > I certainly am not a person who thinks very highly
> > > of those who believe Armageddon is imminent and who
> > > use that belief as a scare tactic. To me, that's just 
> > > another instance of self important people trying to
> > > convert others to their particular brand name of
> > > self importance.
> > > 
> > > Is there a rather large pollution and climatological
> > > problem on planet Earth at this time? Yes, I believe
> > > there is. Is it correctable? I don't know. The history
> > > of human beings, especially those who have been alive
> > > and running things for the last 50-75 years, does not
> > > encourage me to believe they're going to do anything
> > > about this problem until it starts killing people in
> > > large numbers, and killing them in the countries that
> > > create most of the pollution. A few tragedies in India
> > > and Malaysia aren't going to reach these people at 
> > > all; they just don't CARE about those people in poor
> > > countries. They won't do anything about pollution and 
> > > global warming until their own children start dying, 
> > > and possibly not then if the kids are brats. :-)
> > > 
> > > But that's not stating a belief that the planet is
> > > done for because most of its inhabitants are acting
> > > like they're several cans short of a six-pack. Things
> > > will get worse -- much worse -- before they get better,
> > > but I believe it's possible for things to get better.
> > > Likely, maybe not. But certainly possible.
> > > 
> > > Armageddon freaks are basically saying to the world,
> > > "I'm so important that the world is going to end in
> > > my lifetime. Believe what I believe and you'll be
> > > important, too." Yeah, right.
> > >
> > 
> > Well said.
> 
> Who here was saying the world was going to end
> in their lifetime, Shemp and Barry?
>

So, finally, we're getting somewhere.

Okay, then: global warming isn't going to end in Armagedden...what 
exactly are going to be the consequences of it?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop the bullshit stream and ACT

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like someone's got his panties in a twist. 
> > > > 
> > > > I tell a personal story of what all this stuff 
> > > > means to me, *defend* people like you because
> > > > you're too brainwashed or stupid to know any
> > > > better, and all of a sudden I'm being accused
> > > > of believing in and preacing Armageddon. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Look, dude. You and I both know that you believe
> > > > about a tenth of the horseshit you spout here.
> > > > You just do it to get a rise out of people. You 
> > > > didn't get one out of me, and that's what you're 
> > > > pissed off about.
> > > 
> > > Do you subscribe to new.morning's Armagedden in post 
> > > #103755?  'Cause from what you've written in the past and 
> > > what you write below I thought you did.  I will stand 
> > > corrected and apologise if you dont'.
> > > 
> > > Let me know.
> > 
> > I don't have any idea; I don't read his posts unless
> > someone I do read posts to one of the threads he...
> > uh...contributes to.
> > 
> > I certainly am not a person who thinks very highly
> > of those who believe Armageddon is imminent and who
> > use that belief as a scare tactic. To me, that's just 
> > another instance of self important people trying to
> > convert others to their particular brand name of
> > self importance.
> > 
> > Is there a rather large pollution and climatological
> > problem on planet Earth at this time? Yes, I believe
> > there is. Is it correctable? I don't know. The history
> > of human beings, especially those who have been alive
> > and running things for the last 50-75 years, does not
> > encourage me to believe they're going to do anything
> > about this problem until it starts killing people in
> > large numbers, and killing them in the countries that
> > create most of the pollution. A few tragedies in India
> > and Malaysia aren't going to reach these people at 
> > all; they just don't CARE about those people in poor
> > countries. They won't do anything about pollution and 
> > global warming until their own children start dying, 
> > and possibly not then if the kids are brats. :-)
> > 
> > But that's not stating a belief that the planet is
> > done for because most of its inhabitants are acting
> > like they're several cans short of a six-pack. Things
> > will get worse -- much worse -- before they get better,
> > but I believe it's possible for things to get better.
> > Likely, maybe not. But certainly possible.
> > 
> > Armageddon freaks are basically saying to the world,
> > "I'm so important that the world is going to end in
> > my lifetime. Believe what I believe and you'll be
> > important, too." Yeah, right.
> >
> 
> Well said.

Who here was saying the world was going to end
in their lifetime, Shemp and Barry?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Michael Murphy wrote: Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil reserves are "fixed" when there are some recent ideas in geology that talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly over time. The key here is SLOWLY which makes it rather academic. We have used up reserves that took millions or billions of years to produce in just 100+ years. We will probably use of the rest in considerably less time. Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less impacting sources of energy. Yes. Unfortunately as oil disappears we will be tempted to use more coal, which is more plentiful. Coal can be turned into an automotive fuel. The Germans did it durning WWII. But it is costly and inefficient. Oddly enough more coal use could actually slow global warming. There is a new therory, that has be substanciated to a degree, that the effects of global warming have actually been postponed by particulate polution in the atmosphere, which reflects much of the sun's energy. The down side of this is that the style of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy. There is likely to be a renaisance of nuclear. However, construction, maintainance, mining and refining of uranium, and decommissioning of nuclear plants require massive amounts of fossil fuel. Unfortunately, many of the cleaner altenatives such as wind and solar cells also require large fossil inputs to manufacture and sustain. Many manufacturing processes depend on very high temperatures which are hard to produce without fossil fuels. We tend not to realize what a integral part of technological civilization they are. History might actually refer to the 19th, 20th, and 21st centurys as the fossil fuel civilization. That is if there is still such a thing as history. It may be critical to get the alternative in place before the oil to create them is gone. Otherwise it will be impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production. The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars. In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these technologies never make it to the market. A grassroots economy handed over to non-factory farmers and rendering energy policy back to the people is totally untenable to our current political situation. A government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. This technology and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the public school system.But the real danger is in what we don't know. As many mystical traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist, Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned and he was thrown into prison (where he died). Never mind the motor which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared at the same time. Never mind his research which showed desertification was linked to prana depletion. Don't even speak of his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the devices he created.Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years after his death. 2008 marks the end of that 50 years and from what I've seen, it's some pretty remarkable research...It will be a pivotal next hundred years or so.
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[FairfieldLife] 'Sheehan Adopts The : Mahatma Approach' ([Great Soul] Approach)...

2006-07-04 Thread Robert Gimbel

Anti-war protesters begin July 4 fast Mon Jul 3, 2006 8:07pm ET Email This Article | Print This Article | Reprints [-] Text [+] By Amanda Beck WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 150 protesters sat in front of the White House on Monday to savor their last meal before starting a hunger strike that some said will continue until American troops return from Iraq. The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was organized by CodePink, a women's anti-war group that called on volunteers to abstain from eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday. Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th. Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, said she would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she would spend outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. "This war is a crime," Sheehan told a crowd of
clapping, cheering protesters. "We represent millions of Americans who withdraw their support from this government." The demonstrators crouched in the muggy evening next to a piece of pink plastic, spread down the road as a table and table-cloth in one. It was covered with wilted pink sunflowers and plates of vegetarian curry, white rice, and beans. The demonstration aimed at highlighting the costs of the war, in which more than 2,500 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqis have died, said CodePink spokeswoman Meredith Dearborn. "We have to put our own lives on the line, and I'm willing to do that," said activist Diane Wilson, who pledged to fast until the United States withdraws from Iraq. Dearborn said 2,700 other activists nationwide, including actors Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn, would work as a relay team passing the fast daily from one to another. © Reuters 2006. All
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-04 Thread Michael Murphy


> Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil  
> reserves are "fixed" when there are some recent ideas in geology that  
> talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In  
> other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly  
> over time.

The key here is SLOWLY which makes it rather academic. We have used up reserves 
that 
took millions or billions of years to produce in just 100+ years. We will 
probably use of the 
rest in considerably less time. 
> 
> Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these  
> products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less  
> impacting sources of energy.

Yes. Unfortunately as oil disappears we will be tempted to use more coal, which 
is more 
plentiful.  Coal can be turned into an automotive fuel. The Germans did it 
durning WWII. 
But it is costly and inefficient. Oddly enough more coal use could actually 
slow global 
warming. There is a new therory, that has be substanciated to a degree, that 
the effects of 
global warming have actually been postponed by particulate polution in the 
atmosphere, 
which reflects much of the sun's energy. 

> The down side of this is that the style  
> of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy.

There is likely to be a renaisance of nuclear. However, construction, 
maintainance, mining 
and refining of uranium, and decommissioning of nuclear plants require massive 
amounts 
of fossil fuel. Unfortunately, many of the cleaner altenatives such as wind and 
solar cells 
also require large fossil inputs to manufacture and sustain. Many manufacturing 
processes 
depend on very high temperatures which are hard to produce without fossil 
fuels. We tend 
not to realize what a integral part of technological civilization they are. 
History might 
actually refer to the 19th, 20th, and 21st centurys as the fossil fuel 
civilization. That is if 
there is still such a thing as history. It may be critical to get the 
alternative in place before 
the oil to create them is gone. Otherwise it will be impossible to bootstrap 
new 
technologies into large scale production.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Inositol: OCD, Coffee Depletion Antidote Serotonin and Alertness Enhancer

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Inositol:  OCD, Coffee Depletion Antidote  Serotonin and  Alertness 
> Enhancer
> 
> Spraig --
> 
> Have you tried high doses of inositol for OCD? Like .5-2 grams 2-3 x
> day? Following are some studies and links.

I've never tried it. The OCD stuff will hopefully be moot anyway. My next 
prescription is for 
10 mg/day, down from 20mg/day.

The ADHD is a longr-term issue, but I'm hoping that getting back into regular 
morning and 
evening program combined with a regular sleeping and eating schedule will take 
care of that. 
The preliminary EEG stuff I've seen on ADHD and TM is quite... striking... to 
say the least...

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[FairfieldLife] Faces and Astrological Signs

http://www.librarising.com/astrology/

Perhaps of interest to few -- vaj maybe -- but jyotish theory
correlates various rising, moon and sun signs with facial features.
Here is an abundant set of data / faces. Though in western zodiac,
birthdates are provided (at least in sun sign section) so mental
conversion is easy.

Barry may just enjoy the babes.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to 
> people 
> > > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > > armagedden is right around the corner
> > 
> > Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.
> >
> 
> 
> Then tell us exactly what you think the terrible global warming is 
> going to create for mankind and planet earth.
>

One quite plausible result will be the loss of most coastal cities, I believe.






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[FairfieldLife] Inositol: OCD, Coffee Depletion Antidote Serotonin and Alertness Enhancer

Inositol:  OCD, Coffee Depletion Antidote  Serotonin and  Alertness 
Enhancer

Spraig --

Have you tried high doses of inositol for OCD? Like .5-2 grams 2-3 x
day? Following are some studies and links.

While I have been aware of inositol as a b vit for many years, it was
about5 years ago I came across high doses as a remedy for coffee "let
down". Coffee depletes inositol and thus rebuilding the supply lets
coffee provide its buzz with less or no let down later. I found it
effective. 

And found I simply felt great after taking it. (Powder form,
tasteless, mixed in water or juice or anything.) I further studied and
found it enhances the activity of serotonin -- the neurotransmittor
driving moods and depression -- as well as other things -- thus
explaining the mood "normalization" effects.

I come and go with using it. Just  came across a half pound bottle I
bought a while back -- over the counter at any health food store. Have
used it over the past week and forgot the definitite bump in
awakefulness, alertness and mood it provide3s. 

I just came across this article on  inositiol and OCD. Thought you
might be interested if you are not already aware of it.


At about the same time, (September, 1996) a double-blind
placebo-controlled study on the use of high doses of inositol was
published in the American Journal of Psychiatry. The study was
conducted by Dr. Mendel Fux and colleagues in Israel. Although it was
only a small study involving thirteen individuals, inositol was found
to have a significant effect upon the symptoms of OCD. It was shown to
work as well and as quickly as the SSRIs Prozac and Luvox. 

http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/Inositol.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inositol

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/inos.htm

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/inositoldep.htm








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop the bullshit stream and ACT

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like someone's got his panties in a twist. 
> > > 
> > > I tell a personal story of what all this stuff 
> > > means to me, *defend* people like you because
> > > you're too brainwashed or stupid to know any
> > > better, and all of a sudden I'm being accused
> > > of believing in and preacing Armageddon. :-)
> > > 
> > > Look, dude. You and I both know that you believe
> > > about a tenth of the horseshit you spout here.
> > > You just do it to get a rise out of people. You 
> > > didn't get one out of me, and that's what you're 
> > > pissed off about.
> > 
> > Do you subscribe to new.morning's Armagedden in post 
> > #103755?  'Cause from what you've written in the past and 
> > what you write below I thought you did.  I will stand 
> > corrected and apologise if you dont'.
> > 
> > Let me know.
> 
> I don't have any idea; I don't read his posts unless
> someone I do read posts to one of the threads he...
> uh...contributes to.
> 
> I certainly am not a person who thinks very highly
> of those who believe Armageddon is imminent and who
> use that belief as a scare tactic. To me, that's just 
> another instance of self important people trying to
> convert others to their particular brand name of
> self importance.
> 
> Is there a rather large pollution and climatological
> problem on planet Earth at this time? Yes, I believe
> there is. Is it correctable? I don't know. The history
> of human beings, especially those who have been alive
> and running things for the last 50-75 years, does not
> encourage me to believe they're going to do anything
> about this problem until it starts killing people in
> large numbers, and killing them in the countries that
> create most of the pollution. A few tragedies in India
> and Malaysia aren't going to reach these people at 
> all; they just don't CARE about those people in poor
> countries. They won't do anything about pollution and 
> global warming until their own children start dying, 
> and possibly not then if the kids are brats. :-)
> 
> But that's not stating a belief that the planet is
> done for because most of its inhabitants are acting
> like they're several cans short of a six-pack. Things
> will get worse -- much worse -- before they get better,
> but I believe it's possible for things to get better.
> Likely, maybe not. But certainly possible.
> 
> Armageddon freaks are basically saying to the world,
> "I'm so important that the world is going to end in
> my lifetime. Believe what I believe and you'll be
> important, too." Yeah, right.
>

Well said.

And I take back what I said and apologise to you.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 7/4/06 5:50 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> > > In a message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time,
> >>> > > groups@ writes:
>  > >>  
>  > >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@  wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he 
says
> > that Bush
> > > >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with 
the space
> > program
> > > >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  
safely back
> > to
> > > >>> Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  
fuels and
> > > >>> getting us off the back of  oil.
> > > >>> 
>  > >> Yes. He should  have done that instead of spending 
hundreds of
> > billions on
>  > >> his  war.
> >>> > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar
> > surplus?
> >>> > >  
> >> > He should have, but that doesn¹t excuse creating an 8 trillion
> > dollar
> >> > deficit.
> >> >
> > 
> > I dont' know where you guys get your "10 trillion dollar surplus"
> > and "8 trillion dollar deficit": the entire U.S. budget this year
> > was about $2.8 trillion and the deficit was several hundreds of
> > billions of dollars.
> > 
> Actually, I was referring to the national debt, which is on track 
to double
> during Bush¹s terms in office.
>

I stand corrected: it's more like an 70% increase at current rates, 
not 40% as I suggested or a doubling as you suggested.

Here are the figures since January 2001 (when Bush took office):

09/30/2005$7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004$7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003$6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002$6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001$5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000$5,674,178,209,886.86

from: http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

...and the current amount (to today):

06/30/2006$8,420,041,947,892.19








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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/4/06 5:50 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> > > In a message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time,
> >>> > > groups@ writes:
>  > >>  
>  > >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@  wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he 
says
> > that Bush
> > > >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with 
the space
> > program
> > > >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  
safely back
> > to
> > > >>> Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  
fuels and
> > > >>> getting us off the back of  oil.
> > > >>> 
>  > >> Yes. He should  have done that instead of spending 
hundreds of
> > billions on
>  > >> his  war.
> >>> > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar
> > surplus?
> >>> > >  
> >> > He should have, but that doesn¹t excuse creating an 8 trillion
> > dollar
> >> > deficit.
> >> >
> > 
> > I dont' know where you guys get your "10 trillion dollar surplus"
> > and "8 trillion dollar deficit": the entire U.S. budget this year
> > was about $2.8 trillion and the deficit was several hundreds of
> > billions of dollars.
> > 
> Actually, I was referring to the national debt, which is on track 
to double
> during Bush¹s terms in office.
>

Uh, no.

Although it is increasing at a horrible and unacceptable rate during 
Bush's 8 years, it is not on track to double...more like under his 
two administrations it will increase by about 40%, not your 200%.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

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[snip]

> 
> > However, even assuming that you are correct that what we write and 
> > debate here is valuable in that it informs those that have 
> > been "taken in" as you describe it, do you really think it is a
> > good use of your time WHEN ARMAGEDDON IS FAST APPROACHING?
> 
> Sure it is.

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[FairfieldLife] new.morning back-pedals and Billie Bats paints herself into a corner

What a jolly little Fourth of July!

New.morning has back-pedalled and doesn't REALLY believe that global 
warming will create Armagedden (that is, every since it was pointed 
out to him that he'd actually have to put his actions in sync with his 
words).

And our very own Billie Bats had it pointed out to her by MDixon that 
if, as she claims there is only 32 years left of oil at current 
consumption levels that this in itself will largely solve global 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality





on 7/4/06 5:50 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>  
> >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he says 
that Bush
> >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the space 
program
> >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  safely back 
to
> >>> Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  fuels and
> >>> getting us off the back of  oil.
> >>> 
> >> Yes. He should  have done that instead of spending hundreds of 
billions on
> >> his  war. 
> > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar 
surplus?
> >  
> He should have, but that doesn’t excuse creating an 8 trillion 
dollar
> deficit.
>

I dont' know where you guys get your "10 trillion dollar surplus" 
and "8 trillion dollar deficit": the entire U.S. budget this year 
was about $2.8 trillion and the deficit was several hundreds of 
billions of dollars.

Actually, I was referring to the national debt, which is on track to double during Bush’s terms in office.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 7/4/06 2:41:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> When it  becomes clear that production has peaked and is on an 
> irreversible  downhill slope, when people wake up to the fact that 
> each year the world's  going to produce less oil than it did the 
year 
> before â" forever â" it's  suddenly going to feel like a very 
different 
> world
> 
> 
> Excellent! Then that settles it. Oil production and  consumption 
is on it's 
> way out and should be finished in about 32 years,  actually 
probably far less 
> as replacement technology improves. Many of us will  live to see 
the end of oil 
> in our life times. If the use of fossil fuels has  indeed peaked 
then we 
> should see a gradual healing of the earth's atmosphere and  
shouldn't have to 
> worry about the worst case scenarios  of Armageddon.
>

Hah!

Well said, MDixon!







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality







In a message dated 7/4/06 5:48:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> on 
  7/4/06 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:> > >> on 7/4/06 
  12:38 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:> >>> > >>> And 
  Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as well: he says that Bush> 
  >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63 with the space 
  program> >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him 
  safely back to> >>> Earth"). Commit the country to finding 
  alternative fuels and> >>> getting us off the back of 
  oil.> >>> > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 
  10 trillion dollar surplus?Republican 
Congress?

That would have been a nice excuse if he had tried and 
failed.
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In a message dated 7/4/06 5:51:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. at [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:> > > In a 
  message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,> > 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> >> > >> on 7/4/06 12:38 PM, 
  shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@... wrote:> >>> > 
  >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as well: he says 
  that Bush> >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in 
  '63 with the space program> >>> (you know: "send a man to 
  the moon and bring him safely back to> >>> Earth"). Commit 
  the country to finding alternative fuels and> >>> getting us 
  off the back of oil.> >>> > >> Yes. He should 
  have done that instead of spending hundreds of billions on> 
  >> his war. > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 
  trillion dollar surplus?> > > He should have, but that 
  doesn¹t excuse creating an 8 trillion dollar> 
  deficit.>I dont' know where you guys get your "10 trillion 
  dollar surplus" and "8 trillion dollar deficit": the entire U.S. budget 
  this year was about $2.8 trillion and the deficit was several hundreds of 
  billions of dollars.

I was being fasicious with my 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
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>
> > on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > 
> > >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he says 
that Bush
> > >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the 
space program
> > >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  safely 
back to
> > >>> Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  fuels 
and
> > >>> getting us off the back of  oil.
> > >>> 
> > > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar 
surplus?
> 
> Republican Congress?
>

Are you giving the Republican Congress complements for having a 
balanced budget/surplus ... or  are you chastising them for not 
instituting an alternative fuels project?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > In a message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>  
> >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he says 
that Bush
> >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the space 
program
> >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  safely back 
to
> >>> Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  fuels and
> >>> getting us off the back of  oil.
> >>> 
> >> Yes. He should  have done that instead of spending hundreds of 
billions on
> >> his  war. 
> > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar 
surplus?
> >  
> He should have, but that doesn¹t excuse creating an 8 trillion 
dollar
> deficit.
>

I dont' know where you guys get your "10 trillion dollar surplus" 
and "8 trillion dollar deficit": the entire U.S. budget this year 
was about $2.8 trillion and the deficit was several hundreds of 
billions of dollars.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

2006-07-04 Thread Patrick Gillam

> on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he says that Bush
> >>> should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the space program
> >>> (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  safely back to
> >>> Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  fuels and
> >>> getting us off the back of  oil.
> >>> 
> > Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar surplus?

Republican Congress?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Peak Oil

On Jul 4, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Michael Murphy wrote: Did you know that because of fossil fuels the human race uses 4 centuries worth of energy every year, what are we going to do when they run out? All this talk about global warming may be academic. Peak oil is a much more immediate problem and potentially much more devastating. Worldwide it is estimated that we have used up half of the oil reseves. That sound reasuring but it isn't. Oil production generally goes according to a bell shaped curve for a given supply historically. Production ramps up gradually, peaks, and then declines slowly. Demand on the other hand tracks production closely as the supply increases, but when oil production peaks the demand just keeps going up. This quickly create a huge gap between supply and demand. Most people who study this think that this is what we are seeing the begining of now. World oil production seems to have leveled of and should start declining soon. We've seen $3 a gallon but are you ready for $6, $12, $25. The implications for civilization are mind boggling. Before the widespread use of fossil fuels the population of the earth was about 1 billion. Tapping this stored solar energy has allowed the population to soar to 6.5 billion. The population may very well return to closer to 1 billion at the end of the fossil fuel age. It's taken about 150 years to use half the oil. The down side of the bell shaped curve may be much steeper. The first half was the easy half to recover. What's left will be increasingly difficult and costly. Meanwhile demand from places like India and China is skyrocketing. Think of the implications. Collapse of global trade, transported by oil. Scarcity of food in urban areas, transported by oil. Increased resource wars, they have already started: Iraq, Afganistan. No more plastics, synthetic fertilizers, irrigation becomes to costly to use. All of this could occurr in the next three decades or so (but it starts now), probably before global warming has a chance to REALLY start wreaking havok. The point of the peak oil therory is you don't have to wait for oil to run out for it to cause havoc. Just leveling off and starting to decline is enough to cause massive disruption to the fragile technological civilization that men have created. I wouldn't rule out the discovery of a new source of engergy: fusion, plasma, zero point, aquygen. But I'm not going to bet on it either. None of the currently developing technologies can produce energy on the scale or with the versatility that oil has. We need something new soon. We also need political leadership to get us over the hump. Our current leadership sees killing people to secure the remaining oil as the primary strategy. Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil reserves are "fixed" when there are some recent ideas in geology that talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly over time.Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less impacting sources of energy. The down side of this is that the style of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
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> > This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
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> > 
> > Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
> 
> Boring the first time, boring when reposted.
> Where's the mystery?  :-)

I guess only a quite large fool would read something again, after just
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality







In a message dated 7/4/06 2:41:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When it 
  becomes clear that production has peaked and is on an irreversible 
  downhill slope, when people wake up to the fact that each year the world's 
  going to produce less oil than it did the year before — forever — it's 
  suddenly going to feel like a very different world

Excellent! Then that settles it. Oil production and 
consumption is on it's way out and should be finished in about 32 years, 
actually probably far less as replacement technology improves. Many of us will 
live to see the end of oil in our life times. If the use of fossil fuels has 
indeed peaked then we should see a gradual healing of the earth's atmosphere and 
shouldn't have to worry about the worst case scenarios 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth Carrying Capacity



On Jul 4, 2006, at 6:30 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:06 PM, new.morning wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:  8.  And of course the root of the problem *is* overpopulation.  I was struck when reading some time ago about population estimates of ancient cultures. Vedic India was about 100,000. No wonder it was a golden age!  Peter Russell in his "Global Brain" hypothesized that what would   happen would be a leap to global collective consciousness when   humanity reached a population of about 10 billion, as this would   coincide with increasing interest in mediation and higher states of   consciousness by greater and greater numbers of humanity.   I am sure you probably know this, but just in case, you know Peter is an old time TM initiator? Yes, of course, that's why I bought the book and got the video originally.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:06 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> >> 8.  And of course the root of the problem *is* overpopulation.
> >
> > I was struck when reading some time ago about population estimates of
> > ancient cultures. Vedic India was about 100,000. No wonder it was a
> > golden age!
> 
> Peter Russell in his "Global Brain" hypothesized that what would  
> happen would be a leap to global collective consciousness when  
> humanity reached a population of about 10 billion, as this would  
> coincide with increasing interest in mediation and higher states of  
> consciousness by greater and greater numbers of humanity.
> 

I am sure you probably know this, but just in case, you know Peter is
an old time TM initiator?








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[FairfieldLife] Peak Oil

2006-07-04 Thread Michael Murphy


> Did you know that because of fossil fuels the human race uses 4 
> centuries worth of energy every year, what are we going to do when 
> they run out?

All this talk about global warming may be academic. Peak oil is a much more 
immediate 
problem and potentially much more devastating. Worldwide it is estimated that 
we have 
used up half of the oil reseves. That sound reasuring but it isn't. Oil 
production generally 
goes according to a bell shaped curve for a given supply historically. 
Production ramps up 
gradually, peaks, and then declines slowly. Demand on the other hand tracks 
production 
closely as the supply increases, but when oil production peaks the demand just 
keeps 
going up. This quickly create a huge gap between supply and demand. Most people 
who 
study this think that this is what we are seeing the begining of now. World oil 
production 
seems to have leveled of and should start declining soon. We've seen $3 a 
gallon but are 
you ready for $6, $12, $25. 

The implications for civilization are mind boggling. Before the widespread use 
of fossil 
fuels the population of the earth was about 1 billion. Tapping this stored 
solar energy has 
allowed the population to soar to 6.5 billion. The population may very well 
return to closer 
to 1 billion at the end of the fossil fuel age. It's taken about 150 years to 
use half the oil. 
The down side of the bell shaped curve may be much steeper. The first half was 
the easy 
half to recover. What's left will be increasingly difficult and costly. 
Meanwhile demand from 
places like India and China is skyrocketing. Think of the implications. 
Collapse of global 
trade, transported by oil. Scarcity of food in urban areas, transported by oil. 
Increased 
resource wars, they have already started: Iraq, Afganistan. No more plastics, 
synthetic 
fertilizers, irrigation becomes to costly to use. All of this could occurr in 
the next three 
decades or so (but it starts now), probably before global warming has a chance 
to REALLY 
start wreaking havok. 

The point of the peak oil therory is you don't have to wait for oil to run out 
for it to cause 
havoc. Just leveling off and starting to decline is enough to cause massive 
disruption to 
the fragile technological civilization that men have created. I wouldn't rule 
out the 
discovery of a new source of engergy: fusion, plasma, zero point, aquygen. But 
I'm not 
going to bet on it either. None of the currently developing technologies can 
produce 
energy on the scale or with the versatility that oil has. We need something new 
soon. We 
also need political leadership to get us over the hump. Our current leadership 
sees killing 
people to secure the remaining oil as the primary strategy.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

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> There's no oil crisis, just an intelligence crisis.

We agree on that point, at least.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to 
> people 
> > > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > > armagedden is right around the corner
> > 
> > Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.
> 
> Then tell us exactly what you think the terrible global warming is 
> going to create for mankind and planet earth.

It's gonna make life progressively more difficult for
a whole lot of people over a period of some decades, and
ultimately will negatively affect everyone, one way or
another.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Pete Seeger interview

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > for Pete Seeger fans you watch a really great interview with 
> Amy
> > > > Goodman. Amazing how lucid he is, his memory is crystal clear.
> > > > KH
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/1443245
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Did he mention how he supported and defending Adolf 
> Hitler...that 
> > is, 
> > > before his masters in Moscow were duped by Adolf at which point 
> he 
> > did 
> > > a 180 degree about-face and then, all of a sudden, was against 
> > Hitler?
> > > 
> > > (now Judy will chime in and claim that Seeger never did such a 
> > > thing...keeping with her well-tuned tradition of defending
> > > supporters of mass murder and racism)
> > 
> > Judy will point out that the above is an incredibly
> > distorted version of what actually happened, which 
> > is what we usually hear from Shemp.  And of course
> > he *knows* he's lying about my purportedly defending
> > supporters of mass murder and racism.
> > 
> > If the following sounds a little familiar to you,
> > Shemp, it's because we already had this same
> > discussion over on alt.m.t when you made this claim
> > about Seeger. This is a repost of what I posted
> > then, just to remind you that we know who is lying
> > about what.
> > 
> > And here's an *accurate* description of what happened, from "Woody
> > Guthrie's Life" (note that the Almanac Singers mentioned below was
> > Pete Seeger's group):
> > 
> > Woody's politics took a turn as the United States came into the
> > Second World War. Early in the war, communist-sympathizing singers
> > were confused about what stance they should take on the war.
> 
> But that's precisely the point: they weren't confused because as 
> members of the Communist Party (Seeger wasn't JUST a sympathizer, 
> you see, he was a member) they didn't come to their own opinions as 
> either individuals or, for that matter, as members of an 
> independent American Communist Party.  No, they took their orders 
> directly from history's #2 mass-murderer (who, by the way, had 
> committed most of those murders well before the start of WWII), 
> Joseph Stalin.

Shemp, you need to read something about the early
Communist Party in the U.S.  They of course did not
know about Stalin's murders.  They were idealists,
Boy Scouts, Utopianists.  And of course they had their
own opinions as individuals and as members of the
American Communist Party.

> That's why Seeger was anti-war while the Hitler-Stalin Pact was 
> still intact and that's why Seeger became ANTI-war when it was 
> broke

You mean PRO-war, of course.
 
> Seeger's eventual support of the war against the Nazis had NOTHING 
> to do with him being either anti-war or anti-Hitler...it had to do 
> with him taking his orders directly from Stalin and the American 
> Communist Party.

Remember that Stalin was an ally of the U.S. against
Germany, Shemp.  There was very little information about
what he was doing in Russia, as noted.

> So when the Party told him to support Hitler, that's precisely what 
> he did.

Didn't support Hitler, Shemp.  At the time, he supported
Stalin, and felt it was wrong to support a war against
one of Stalin's allies.

> > They
> > wrote anti-war songs, citing the typical "rich man's war, poor 
> man's
> > fight" nature of international conflict, and since Stalin and 
> Hitler
> > had signed a non-aggression pact, they felt it wrong to support a
> > fight against Hitler.
> 
> Precisely!
> 
> Seeger supported Hitler!  That's what I've been saying!!

No, they felt it wrong to support a fight against
Hitler, Shemp.

> Just cause you're saying it in flowery words, Billie, doesn't make 
> it any less horrible: Seeger supported Adolf Hitler, end of story.

No, McGoo, Seeger felt it wrong to support a fight
against Hitler.

> > Yet the far Left obviously found no consonance with Nazi ideals,
> 
> Bullshit.
> 
> NaZi is an acronym for National Socialist.  Hitler's version of 
> socialism was very, very close to Stalin's and Russian communism. 
> There were differences, of course, just as there were differences 
> between Trotsky and Stalin.
> 
> But they were both socialists.  It's only politically correct 
> historians who try and distance Hitler's socialism from other forms 
> of socialism.

The Nazis, of course, had a lot of ideals that had
nothing to do with socialism or communism.  And the
far left obviously found no consonance with those
ideals.  They opposed fascism.

> And don't forget who was one of Hitler's great inspirations for his 
> racism and anti-semitism: the Father of Communism, Karl Marx.

The far left in the U.S. was neither racist nor
anti-Semitic.
 
> > and they passionately despised Hitler's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality





on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
on  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as  well: he says that Bush 
should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63  with the space program 
(you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him  safely back to 
Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative  fuels and 
getting us off the back of  oil.

Yes. He should  have done that instead of spending hundreds of billions on his  war. 
Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar surplus?
 
He should have, but that doesn’t excuse creating an 8 trillion dollar deficit.

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In a message dated 7/4/06 1:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  on 
  7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as 
well: he says that Bush should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63 
with the space program (you know: "send a man to the moon and bring him 
safely back to Earth").  Commit the country to finding alternative 
fuels and getting us off the back of 
  oil.Yes. He should 
  have done that instead of spending hundreds of billions on his 
  war. 

Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar 
surplus?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

2006-07-04 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
> Anyone else experience this? 
> 
> Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding

Boring the first time, boring when reposted.
Where's the mystery?  :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Nix ueber alles!

2006-07-04 Thread cardemaister


Italy just beat Germany 2 - 0 in  the Soccer
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva-suutra-vaarttika on SS I 16

2006-07-04 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Here's Singh's translation and comment, based on the teaching of 
Sw.  
> Lakshman Joo:
> 
> "The word "loka" has to be construed in two senses 1) that which 
is  
> perceived, i.e. the multitude of objects, 2) he who perceives i.e.  
> the class of subjects. 

FWIW, /loka/ seems to be an interesting word:

loka m. (connected with %**{roka}** ; in the oldest texts %{loka} is 
generally preceded by %{u} , which accord. to the Padap. = the 
particle 3. %{u} ; but %{u} may be a prefixed vowel and %{uloka4} , a 
collateral dialectic form of %{loka} ; accord. to others %{u-loka} is 
abridged from %{uru-} or %{ava-loka}) , free or open space , room , 
place , scope , free motion RV. AV. Br. A1S3vS3r. (acc. with %{kR} or 
%{dA} or %{anu-} %{nI} , to make room grant freedom "' ; %{loke} with 
gen. `" instead of "') ; intermediate space Kaus3. ; a tract , 
region , district , country , province S3Br. ; the wide space or 
world (either `" the universe "' or , any division of it "' , esp. `" 
the sky or heaven "' ; 3 Lokas are commonly enumerated , viz. 
heaven , earth , and the atmosphere or lower regions ; sometimes only 
the first two ; but a fuller classification gives 7 worlds , viz. 
Bhu1-lñloka , the earth ; Bhuvar-lñloka "' the space between the 
earth and sun inhabited by Munis , Siddhas &c. ; Svar-lñloka , 
Indra's heaven above the sun or between it and the polar star ; Mahar-
lñloka , a region above the polar star and inhabited by Bhr2igo and 
other saints who survive the destruction of the 3 lower worlds ; 
Janar-lñloka , inhabited by Brahma1's son Sanat-kuma1ra &c. ; Tapar-
lñloka , inhñinhabited by deified Vaira1gins ; Satya-lñloka or Brahma-
lñloka , abode of Brahma1 , translation to which exempts from rebirth 
[906,2] ; elsewhere these 7 worlds are described as earth , sky , 
heaven , middle region , place of re-births , mansion of the blest , 
and abode of truth ; sometimes 14 worlds are mentioned , viz. the 7 
above , and 7 lower regions called in the order of their descent 
below the earth- A-tala , Vi-tñtala , Su-tñtala , Rasa1tñtala , 
Tala1tñtala , Maha1-tñtala , and Pa1ta1la ; cf. RTL. 102 n. 1 IW. 
420 , 1 ; 435 , 1) AV. &c. &c. ; N. of the number `" seven "' (cf. 
above) VarBr2S. Sch. ; the earth or world of human beings &c. Mn. 
MBh. &c. ([EMAIL PROTECTED] , this world "' ; %{asau4} or %
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , that or the other world "' ; loke or %{iha} %
{loke} , `" here on earth "' , opp. to %{para-tra} , %{para-loke} 
&c. ; %{kRtsne} %{loke} , `" on the whole earth "') ; (also pl.) the 
inhabitants of the world , mankind , folk , people (sometimes opp. to 
`" king "') Mn. MBh. &c. ; (pl.) men (as opp. to `" women "') Vet. 
Hit. ; a company , community (of ten ifc. to form collectives) Ka1v. 
Vas. Katha1s. &c. ; ordinary life , worldly affairs , common practice 
or usage Gr2S. Nir. Mn. &c. (%{loke} either `" in ordinary life "' , 
`" in worldly matters "' ; or , in common language , in popular 
speech "' , as opp. to %{vede} , %{chandasi}) ; the faculty of 
seeing , sight (only in %{ca4kSur-l-} q.v.) ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] du. 
and [EMAIL PROTECTED] pl.N. of Sa1mans A1rshBr. [Cf. Lat. {lu1sus} , 
originally , a clearing of a forest "' ; Lith. {lau4kas} , a field.] 


IMO, it's a bit strange that its evident(?) connection with the
verbal root /lok/ (English: look) is not mentioned above. 


lok (connected with 1. %***{ruc}) cl. 1. A1. (Dha1tup. iv , 2) , %
{lokate} (pf. %{luloke} Bhat2t2. ; inf. %{-lokitum} Katha1s.) , to 
see , behold , perceive: Caus. or cl. 10. (Dha1tup. xxxiii , 103) %
{lokayati} (aor. %{alulokat}) id. S3Br. Sa1h. ; to know , recognize 
R. Lin3gaP. [Cf. Eng. {look}.]  

1 **roka** 1 m. (1. %***{ruc}***) light , lustre , brightness RV. 
iii , 6 , 7 ; = %{kraya-bhid} L. (buying with ready money W.) 
[888,3] ; n. (only L.) a hole , vacuity ; a boat , ship ; = %{cara} 
or %{cala} ; = %{kRpaNa-bheda}.  





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth Carrying Capacity

On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:06 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 8. And of course the root of the problem *is* overpopulation. I was struck when reading some time ago about population estimates of ancient cultures. Vedic India was about 100,000. No wonder it was a golden age! Peter Russell in his "Global Brain" hypothesized that what would happen would be a leap to global collective consciousness when humanity reached a population of about 10 billion, as this would coincide with increasing interest in mediation and higher states of consciousness by greater and greater numbers of humanity. Actually, the more educated, creative, spiritual people interacting, the better. A larger network. Its when consumption (attachments) are of a densely material nature that the carrying capacity of the region / earth is exceeded that there is a problem. Or we simply aren't sharing with Gaia, that is, our habits aren't "renewable". Think of current architecural habits and the pollution and waste they create on a massive scale. Then think of what a home made of wood and completely renewable materials would do across time. It would simply return to the soil! That's also the quiet lesson of tantric and pre-Vedic India. It was also recyclable.But we live in an era of "why recycle when the rapture is near" (to paraphrase an article in the latest WIE).From that sick POV global warming is good: it's bringing on the apocalypse. It also has brought the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos (Revelations) to the top of my "most dangerous books in the world" list. People living in lower density settings, gardening for exercise (instead of gym) and a majority of nutritious (vs sensory / entertainment) food, and bio-fuels, localized solar and wind generation, walking, cycling, motorscooting on bio fuels (at 100+ mpg) for longer hauls, telecommuting with multiple hi-def monitors for more in-your-face interaction from home than in the office, entertainiment and consumption based on information packets, inquiry and creativity -- not steel and oil, etc. could enable current population levels at a viable earth carry capacity. I like what Bruce Cockburn said when he sang: "I believe it's a sin to try and make things last forever." This is at once both very Christian and very Buddhist. Think of all the things which will plague the future of sentience because of our need to create things that "last forever": plastics, steel buildings, etc. Our lack of understanding of "impermanence" is a major human disease. Yet we're brainwashed to believe it's good.Nothing lasts forever. No, not even "God".But even God recycles...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 8.  And of course the root of the problem *is* overpopulation.  

I was struck when reading some time ago about population estimates of
ancient cultures. Vedic India was about 100,000. No wonder it was a
golden age! 

Actually, the more educated, creative, spiritual people interacting,
the better. A larger network. Its when consumption (attachments) are
of a densely material nature that the carrying capacity of the region
/ earth is exceeded that there is a problem. 

People living in lower density settings, gardening for exercise
(instead of gym) and a majority of nutritious (vs sensory /
entertainment) food, and bio-fuels, localized solar and wind
generation, walking, cycling, motorscooting on bio fuels (at 100+ mpg)
for longer hauls, telecommuting with multiple hi-def monitors for more
in-your-face interaction from home than in the office, entertainiment
and consumption based on information packets, inquiry and creativity
-- not steel and oil, etc. could enable current population levels at a
viable earth carry capacity. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Sadly, your last few lines are correct: when we do find 
> > alternatives, their use will bring down the price of oil (of 
which 
> > there is about 600 years at current consumption rates left at 
known 
> > reserves) and people will continue to use oil.
> 
> How Much Oil?  Peak Oil  
> 
> The world has approximately 1 trillion barrels of conventional oil 
> left in the ground, and the nations of the world consume about 85 
> million barrels of that oil every day.

Yeah, the operative word here is "conventional" which probably means 
highest grade sweet crude.

But just in one province of one country -- Alberta in Canada -- the 
known reserves are 1.6 trillion barrels in the tar sands.  So you've 
got world consumption right there for about 50 years just from KNOWN 
reserves in Alberta:

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/102spring2002_Web_projects/M.Sexton/

...and that's not considering what's in neighbouring Saskatchewan 
(they claim to have more than Alberta).  Nor is it considering 
what's in neighbouring NorthWest Territories.

Nor is it considering what's in Venezuela...they have tar sands 
reserves, they claim, MORE than Alberta (in addition to thei 
abundant sweet crude).

But I hope I'm wrong.  I hope YOU'RE right with your 1 trillion and 
32 year figure, Judy, because the faster we run out of oil, the 
faster we'll develop cleaner alternatives.  Indeed, that's why I 
have written here that the best thing that can happen to us is a 
$5.00 a gallon price at the pump.

There's no oil crisis, just an intelligence crisis.

> 
> Here's a way to think about those numbers. 1 trillion barrels (at 
42 
> gallons per barrel) works out to about 38 cubic miles, which is 
the 
> volume of a cube about 3.4 miles on a side. That's enough to cover 
> New York City's 300 sq. mi. land area to a depth of an eighth of a 
> mile (a little more than the length of two football fields). 
That's 
> it. That's what's left. In the world.
> 
> At present, the world's consuming almost 1.2 cubic miles per year, 
> and demand is growing by several percent a year.
> 
> If all of that 38 cubic miles of oil could be pumped out of the 
> ground at today's rate, and if consumption stayed constant at 
today's 
> rate, the very last drop of conventional oil would be consumed 32 
> years from now. (If consumption were to continue to grow at 
current 
> rates, the last drop of conventional oil would be consumed roughly 
a 
> decade sooner.)
> 
> But 32 years from now isn't the only date that matters. Other 
dates 
> that matter are 1) when the world runs out of spare oil production 
> capacity, and 2) when world oil production passes its peak and 
begins 
> its inevitable and irreversible decline. The first of those dates 
has 
> already arrived, as signalled by rising prices. Many analysts 
believe 
> the second date, peak oil, is either already here, too, or is 
> imminent.
> 
> When it becomes clear that production has peaked and is on an 
> irreversible downhill slope, when people wake up to the fact that 
> each year the world's going to produce less oil than it did the 
year 
> before  forever  it's suddenly going to feel like a very 
different 
> world.
> 
> http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2006/03/how_much_oil.htm
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to 
people 
> > > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > > armagedden is right around the corner
> > 
> > Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.
> 
> Neither have I. I simple asked a question and out came that 
(above) as
> his preception of what I said. Its quite below third grade reading
> comprehension level.
> 
> And the only time I have seen adults with such repeated and intense
> ranting about delusions in their minds are meth users. 
> 
> >
>

Oh, new.morning, so you do NOT subscribe to the scenarios of message 
#103755?

Then what, pray tell, DO you think will happen as a result of global 
warming?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to 
people 
> > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > armagedden is right around the corner
> 
> Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.
>

Then tell us exactly what you think the terrible global warming is 
going to create for mankind and planet earth.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to people 
> > like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> > armagedden is right around the corner
> 
> Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.

Neither have I. I simple asked a question and out came that (above) as
his preception of what I said. Its quite below third grade reading
comprehension level.

And the only time I have seen adults with such repeated and intense
ranting about delusions in their minds are meth users. 

>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/4/06 2:12 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > new.morning wrote:
> > 
> >> >This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
> >> >Anyone else experience this?
> >> >
> >> >Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
> >> >
> > I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will show
> > up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.
> > 
> The other day I received 12 messages posted last November.

But you are omnipresent across all domains of space and time. :) So
that (12 messages posted last November) is not a problem for you.

Me, I am just in the here and now, so time-warped threads are an issue. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> new.morning wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>new.morning wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
> >>>Anyone else experience this? 
> >>>
> >>>Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will show 
> >>up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Yes, I am aware of that one.
> >
> >But this is a bit different. The posts were on the web site earlier
> >today. Now they are gone.
> >
> I'm going to have to get a new widescreen monitor just to follow some of 
> the threads here.  They go trailing right out of the window on 
> Thunderbird.   Then I have to widen the subject field to see what the 
> topic has been hijacked to.  :)
>

Bah. Try keeping focused when Peter and Andrew get going during an editing war 
in 
Wikipedia...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

2006-07-04 Thread Bhairitu

new.morning wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>new.morning wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
>>>Anyone else experience this? 
>>>
>>>Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will show 
>>up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.
>>
>>
>
>
>Yes, I am aware of that one.
>
>But this is a bit different. The posts were on the web site earlier
>today. Now they are gone.
>
I'm going to have to get a new widescreen monitor just to follow some of 
the threads here.  They go trailing right out of the window on 
Thunderbird.   Then I have to widen the subject field to see what the 
topic has been hijacked to.  :)



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which Charities Deserve your money, the TMO?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.give.org/
> > 
> > http://www.charitywatch.org/
> > 
> > http://www.guidestar.org/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> http://marketplacemoney.publicradio.org/display/web/2006/06/30/buffett_
> > effect/
> >
> 
> In what way is the TMO a charity?
>

Not-for-profit org, which may not fit the definition of a charity.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gore wrong(??) on consensus says MIT prof-erectioner(...

2006-07-04 Thread Bhairitu

shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>
>> 
>>In a message dated 7/4/06 9:35:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>
>>
>(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
>  
>
>>,  MDixon6569@,  MDix
>>
>>
>>>In a message dated 7/3/06 12:30:25 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
>>>babajii_99@ babajii_99
>>>Where is  all of this electricity going to come 
>>>from? Did you know that an  
>>>enormous amount of electricity is lost, in thin 
>>>air, just in  the transmission 
>>>from power station along the power line grid,  
>>>before anybody uses it?
>>>  
>>>
>>Hydrogen is creeping up on the inside  lane. Google
>>for Stanley Meyer, Linnard Griffin, Andrija Puharich.
>>Some  new ideas, some old. The Eldridge patent for
>>striking an arc under water  and getting H2 and CO
>>expired in the last year of WW1.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Exactly, it's a little while down the road though, not that  far 
>>
>>
>off. But you 
>  
>
>>can't stop what we are doing, use of fossil fuels, until we  have 
>>
>>
>something 
>  
>
>>economically feasible enough  to replace  it.
>>
>>
>>
>
>The solution will lie with the free market.
>
>That's why I am always admonishing people here that it is THEY that 
>are responsible for global warming if they continue to consume 
>gasoline themselves, through their cars and plane tickets.
>
>Exxon doesn't consume very much oil themselves; it is their 
>CUSTOMERS who do. And their customers are...YOU.
>
1.  The human race has had autonomous transportation for thousands of 
years either by: foot, horseback or carriage.  You are not going to 
change the mindset overnight.

2.  Therefore what we need to do is deprogram the trend towards the 
ownership of larger vehicles.   During the energy crisis of the 1970's 
smaller cars caught on but then there was the "Volvo" trend where the 
Volvo was thought to be a safer well built car to drive because it would 
protect them better.  Car companies jumped on that bandwagon and went 
back to building bigger cars.  The hippie wives of the 70's became 
middle class soccer moms of the 80's and 90's and wanted "safer" vans to 
haul their offspring to practice and games.  Hence the car companies 
responded with bigger vans and particularly SUVs.

3. Wouldn't it have been better if instead of a knee jerk reaction 
people sat and thought out the problem more carefully.  Large SUVs 
should not have received the tax exemption they got which made them more 
attractive.  The economics of the soccer mom mentality needed to be 
looked at more carefully.  Perhaps even Americas over the top obssession 
with sports needed to be looked at which seems to assume every kid will 
become a sports star and retire their parents.  This is of course 
unrealistic.

4. Perhaps like we have anti-smoking commercials we need public service 
commercials that educate the public to the expense of continuing to 
operate big vehicles and what they do to the environment.  Unfortunately 
car dealers and salespeople seem to have "carny" mentality.  Did you 
know it was the Dodge brothers who foisted this style of car dealing on us?

5. And of course we now have more behemoth trucks on the highways since 
they have taken over from rail shipping.  Truckers hate car and SUV 
drivers.  But we don't have the funds to do truck lanes anymore which 
would help.  So everyone thinks a bigger car will help in a collision 
with a Mack Truck though probably nothing will except another Mack Truck 
(oops, don't give them ideas).

6. What we need of course are smaller more practical vehicles and more 
practical and useful mass transit.  Last week we had "spare the air" 
days in California.  Mass transit was free but many found that it was 
largely impractical.  A commute that took 1 hour or less by car wound up 
taking two hours by mass transit.  In the San Francisco Bay Area you 
have BART which is an expensive rail based system.  It is often crowded 
and serves a limited area.   In San Jose their light rail system is less 
expensive to maintain and often built on abandoned rail lines.  
Portland, Oregon also has a successful light rail system.  We need more 
of these and less BARTs.

7.  It's going to be difficult to implement any kind of solution as the 
"status quo" is only interested in their preservation and not in 
improving life on this planet.

8.  And of course the root of the problem *is* overpopulation.  If 
everyone on the planet wanted to have the US standard of living it would 
require 4 planet earth's to provide those resources.  Houston, we have a 
problem...   We need need to reduce the population but in a humane way, 
not by war, not by man made diseases, but by rational means.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Shiva-suutra-vaarttika on SS I 16



On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:34 AM, cardemaister wrote:lokânandaM samâdhisukham // SivS_1.16 //* [shivasûtravârttika:>* lokyaM lokayitâ ceti lokash cetyacidâtmani || SivSV_1.16:1 ||* tattadrûpatayâ tasmiM loke sphurati yoginaH || SivSV_1.16:2 ||* grâhyagrâhakasaMvittiM sâmânyâ sarvadehinâm || SivSV_1.16:3 ||* yoginâM tu visheSo 'yaM sambandhe sâvadhânatâ || SivSV_1.16:4 ||* ity uktanîtyâ tat sarvam aham ity anusaMhiteH || SivSV_1.16:5 ||* ânando yo bhavaty antas tat samâdhisukhaM smRtam || SivSV_1.16:6 ||* yat samâdhisukhaM tasya svâtmârâmasya yoginaH|| SivSV_1.16:7 ||* tad eva loke lokânâm ânando 'ntarvicinvatâm || SivSV_1.16:8 ||* vibhûtiyogam etasya darshayaty atha yoginaH|| SivSV_1.16:9 ||]This seems to be about Maharishi-effect: yat samâdhisukhaM tasya svâtmârâmasya yoginaH||  tad eva loke lokânâm ânando 'ntarvicinvatâm ||  vibhûtiyogam etasya darshayaty atha yoginaH|| Draft version of THE cardemaisterian translation:That which is the bliss of samaadhi of thatyogi rejoicing in the supreme spirit isalso (the?) bliss of those other people who areturned inwards (aarrgghh...). Vibhuuti-yoga(spreading of the effect of ones yogic practises??)of the yogi is shown that way. Here's Singh's translation and comment, based on the teaching of Sw. Lakshman Joo:"The word "loka" has to be construed in two senses 1) that which is perceived, i.e. the multitude of objects, 2) he who perceives i.e. the class of subjects. Though this distinction of subject and object is evident in the world, the yogi experiences a unique delight of I-consciousness which results from his mindfulness of his repose in the state of a knower in every case. This is his samahdhi-sukha, i.e. this is his delight of continuous awareness of knowership. This has been referred to in the following verse of Vijnanabhattaraka:"The consciousness of object and subject is common to all the embodied ones. The Yogis have, however, this distinction that they are mindful of this relation." (verse 106)"One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the delight inherent in his Self. Simultaneously (with his world-view), he will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due to the ambrosia (i.e. the spiritual delight) welling up in his Self." (verse 65)The same idea has been brought out in the following verse in Spandakarika."This is the acquisition of ambrosia (i.e. immortality ["ambroisa therefore equals "amRta"]). This is the veritable seizure of the Self. This constitutes the diksha for Nirvana, and this confers on oneself the realization of one's identity with Shiva." (ii, 7)(Now Ksemaraja gives a further interpretation of the sutra by arranging Samadhisukham lokanandah i.e. the continuous delight of knowership of the yogi infuses delight into people also)."Moreover, the delight of knowership which the yogi experiences by continuous respose and delight within himself ends in making his delight manifest among these people also who carefully observe him in that state (tat tradrsam). This happens by the process of transmission of delight. This is quite in agreement with the quotation given before from Candrajnana."The verse implying the ME is in the YS.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> new.morning wrote:
> 
> >This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
> >Anyone else experience this? 
> >
> >Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
> >
> I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will 
show 
> up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.

No, the whole thread is here.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to people 
> like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
> armagedden is right around the corner

Excuse me, but I've never claimed that.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Words, Implications, Inferences and Understanding

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 1:25 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> One factor is the tendency to respond to what one infers the 
poster
> >>> implied. Whew, what a sentence, but its a useful model:
> >>>
> >>> a) words written ===>>
> >>>
> >>> b1) meanings intentionally implied, or
> >>> b2) meanings unconsciously implied, but logically present 
(the
> >>> writer has not realized the implications, but readers may)
> >>
> >> For example, in a recent thread, Lawson wrote
> >> (regarding Andrew Skolnick):
> >>
> >> When it comes to TM and other matters New-Age-ish,
> >> he's more than a bit obsessed.
> >>
> >> Vaj replied:
> >>
> >> Sounds like you too [sic] have a lot in common.
> >>
> >> I commented:
> >>
> >> If so, the big difference would be that Sparaig
> >> doesn't attempt to deceive or mislead anybody.
> >>
> >> Vaj responded:
> >>
> >> That was joke, right?
> >>
> >> Now, logically, the implication of Vaj's response
> >> is that Lawson does indeed attempt to mislead and
> >> deceive.
> >>
> >> Just to make sure, I asked Vaj if that was indeed
> >> what he meant.  In fact, I've now asked him three
> >> separate times.
> >>
> >> What is the logical implication, do you suppose,
> >> of his failure to reply?
> >
> > Having the good taste to avoid someone who is
> > obviously trying to start a fight?  :-)
> 
> Or to be repeatedly amused at an alleged editor who can't read in  
> between the lines? :-)

Gosh, I guess Barry (an alleged writer) can't read
in between these lines either, huh, Vaj?

Anybody here able to read between the lines and discern
that Vaj is *not* suggesting Lawson attempts to mislead
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Disappearing Thread

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Disappearing Thread

on 7/4/06 2:12 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

new.morning wrote:

>This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
>Anyone else experience this? 
>
>Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
>
I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will show 
up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.

The other day I received 12 messages posted last November.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wikipedia edit war currently in full Swing over Maharishi Mahesh Yogi articl

2006-07-04 Thread peterklutz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Someone caling himself Andrew Skolnick (www.aaskolnick.com |
> > 149.152.216.49) is currently tearing it apart.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi
> >
> 
> *
> 
> Some good quotes from MMY at Wiki:
> 
> "We should be very natural and easy about life. We are not to be 
> anxious about activity or meditation. Everything is tested by how 
> quickly our desires get fulfilled - by our achievements. Never 
> should we be anxious. When the time comes, even the chirping of a 
> bird could be the stimulus for enlightenment - even the smoke of a 
> rotten bus. It's the next stage of awakening. There is nothing 
> spectacular about it. Don't think about where we are. Don't think 
> that New York is horrible. One can get to the sap while remaining on 
> the hard point of the thorn. We can get to anywhere. The atmosphere 
> we don't mind. It's a very wrong emphasis that the atmosphere is bad 
> and therefore we get drained. It's the karma of our practise. Once 
> we don't make a fuss about our environment, then nature will take 
> care of us. It will put us in the right environment. Be easy and 
> natural. Don't analyze and Being will take over. When we start to 
> complicate things, Being gets lost. It is not that we are inert, but 
> nature takes over." 
> (not exact, Vittel, France, 1976)
> 
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi
>

Jai Guru Dev







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Pete Seeger interview

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > for Pete Seeger fans you watch a really great interview with 
Amy
> > > Goodman. Amazing how lucid he is, his memory is crystal clear.
> > > KH
> > > 
> > > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/1443245
> > >
> > 
> > Did he mention how he supported and defending Adolf 
Hitler...that 
> is, 
> > before his masters in Moscow were duped by Adolf at which point 
he 
> did 
> > a 180 degree about-face and then, all of a sudden, was against 
> Hitler?
> > 
> > (now Judy will chime in and claim that Seeger never did such a 
> > thing...keeping with her well-tuned tradition of defending
> > supporters of mass murder and racism)
> 
> Judy will point out that the above is an incredibly
> distorted version of what actually happened, which 
> is what we usually hear from Shemp.  And of course
> he *knows* he's lying about my purportedly defending
> supporters of mass murder and racism.
> 
> If the following sounds a little familiar to you,
> Shemp, it's because we already had this same
> discussion over on alt.m.t when you made this claim
> about Seeger. This is a repost of what I posted
> then, just to remind you that we know who is lying
> about what.
> 
> And here's an *accurate* description of what happened, from "Woody
> Guthrie's Life" (note that the Almanac Singers mentioned below was
> Pete Seeger's group):
> 
> Woody's politics took a turn as the United States came into the
> Second World War. Early in the war, communist-sympathizing singers
> were confused about what stance they should take on the war.

But that's precisely the point: they weren't confused because as 
members of the Communist Party (Seeger wasn't JUST a sympathizer, 
you see, he was a member) they didn't come to their own opinions as 
either individuals or, for that matter, as members of an independent 
American Communist Party.  No, they took their orders directly from 
history's #2 mass-murderer (who, by the way, had committed most of 
those murders well before the start of WWII), Joseph Stalin.

That's why Seeger was anti-war while the Hitler-Stalin Pact was 
still intact and that's why Seeger became ANTI-war when it was 
broken.

Seeger's eventual support of the war against the Nazis had NOTHING 
to do with him being either anti-war or anti-Hitler...it had to do 
with him taking his orders directly from Stalin and the American 
Communist Party.

So when the Party told him to support Hitler, that's precisely what 
he did.

> They
> wrote anti-war songs, citing the typical "rich man's war, poor 
man's
> fight" nature of international conflict, and since Stalin and 
Hitler
> had signed a non-aggression pact, they felt it wrong to support a
> fight against Hitler.

Precisely!

Seeger supported Hitler!  That's what I've been saying!!

Just cause you're saying it in flowery words, Billie, doesn't make 
it any less horrible: Seeger supported Adolf Hitler, end of story.

> 
> Yet the far Left obviously found no consonance with Nazi ideals,

Bullshit.

NaZi is an acronym for National Socialist.  Hitler's version of 
socialism was very, very close to Stalin's and Russian communism. 
There were differences, of course, just as there were differences 
between Trotsky and Stalin.

But they were both socialists.  It's only politically correct 
historians who try and distance Hitler's socialism from other forms 
of socialism.

And don't forget who was one of Hitler's great inspirations for his 
racism and anti-semitism: the Father of Communism, Karl Marx.

 and
> they passionately despised Hitler's ways. So for a time, Woody, the
> Almanac Singers, and similar performers were torn on what their
> opinon of the war should be. When Hitler broke his agreement with
> Stalin, though, the American Left could freely and adamantly 
support
> the war. After all, Americans and Soviets were fighting side by 
side
> against a common enemy, and a thoroughly despicable enemy at that.
> 
> Since the US was fighting fascism, Woody and the Almanac Singers
> wrote dozens of songs about defeating fascism and Hitler. And since
> any kind of strike would cripple the war effort, all the old union
> songs were put on the shelf for awhile. Eventually though, Pete
> Seeger joined the army, and that left the Almanac singers up in the
> air.
> 
> http://www.dhh-ev.de/alt/woody.html
> 
> The copies of the anitwar (not pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi) album
> the Almanac Singers had made were withdrawn and destroyed the
> day after Hitler invaded, and the group proceeded to make a new
> album calling on the United States to get into the war against
> Hitler.
> 
> And Pete Seeger, as noted above, joined the Army to fight Hitler.

...and had he opposed Hitler earlier, as others did, maybe the 60 
millin who died wouldn't have.

As C

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > new.morning wrote:
> > 
> > >This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the 
net.
> > >Anyone else experience this? 
> > >
> > >Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
> > >
> > I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will 
show 
> > up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.
> 
> 
> Yes, I am aware of that one.
> 
> But this is a bit different. The posts were on the web site earlier
> today. Now they are gone.

What happens when you search for message 103807?

That's your first post to the thread.  The others are
all here too, as far as I can determine.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Value of Striving and Seeking

Even taking enlightenment as the path is still a path--it's just  
radically different different from path -> realization as it takes  
enlightenment as the path.

On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:04 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:

> Since my copy of Jean Kleins "I AM" is out on loan I will paraphrase.
> Awakening is instantaneous. Clarity takes place in Space Time.
> The bottom line is that we have a real glimpse of what Awakening is
> about and afterwards become seekers. You can not seek what you do not
> know is out there. The act of seeking keeps one busy until one is
> found by the Self. Awakening is the Self finding the Self. Who knows
> if the seeking has any value. ONe does what one does while awaiting
> the inevitable. For most, in this group, probably found meditation
> after having some chemically induced insight. Once the intuition has
> the taste then we are on the path until we are not. TomT

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss

2006-07-04 Thread Irmeli Mattsson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
 wrote:

> > When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the
> > impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand
> > and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking,
> > write. Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your
> > world it is only bliss that matters.
> > Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created
> > in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just
> > simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac? 
> > 
> > 
> 
> For me, Prozac helps counter the effects of the 3-year allergy
attack I suffered a few years 
> ago. And ALL of my doctors, counselors and whatnot agree that TM is
essential to my 
> health and well-being.
>
 
I agree with you here. And I apologize. I was rude in my comment here.

Irmeli






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The transmission of non-dual awareness



It's an MP3 so it's for listening to :-)On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:33 PM, coshlnx wrote:--- Thanks a lot, looks interestingI'll read it tomorrow. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Why does T/M cost so much] TM mantra

On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> I remain unconvinced. I still think that people
> believe this because they were told that it was
> true, in many cases by those who were selling
> these "better vehicles." Saying it doesn't
> necessarily make it true.
>
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> to fly.

The reason usually given for the efficacy of using "sound" as a tool  
was that sound, as an aspect of the space element, was naturally very  
subtle--esp. a *mental* "sound--which is even more subtle as to not  
be heard by most people. Because it is so subtle, it's easy to  
transcend with. Conversely, visual objects may for some people  
reinforce a natural sense of dualism, seer and seen, which is more  
difficult to merge with.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Sadly, your last few lines are correct: when we do find 
> alternatives, their use will bring down the price of oil (of which 
> there is about 600 years at current consumption rates left at known 
> reserves) and people will continue to use oil.

How Much Oil?  Peak Oil  

The world has approximately 1 trillion barrels of conventional oil 
left in the ground, and the nations of the world consume about 85 
million barrels of that oil every day.

Here's a way to think about those numbers. 1 trillion barrels (at 42 
gallons per barrel) works out to about 38 cubic miles, which is the 
volume of a cube about 3.4 miles on a side. That's enough to cover 
New York City's 300 sq. mi. land area to a depth of an eighth of a 
mile (a little more than the length of two football fields). That's 
it. That's what's left. In the world.

At present, the world's consuming almost 1.2 cubic miles per year, 
and demand is growing by several percent a year.

If all of that 38 cubic miles of oil could be pumped out of the 
ground at today's rate, and if consumption stayed constant at today's 
rate, the very last drop of conventional oil would be consumed 32 
years from now. (If consumption were to continue to grow at current 
rates, the last drop of conventional oil would be consumed roughly a 
decade sooner.)

But 32 years from now isn't the only date that matters. Other dates 
that matter are 1) when the world runs out of spare oil production 
capacity, and 2) when world oil production passes its peak and begins 
its inevitable and irreversible decline. The first of those dates has 
already arrived, as signalled by rising prices. Many analysts believe 
the second date, peak oil, is either already here, too, or is 
imminent.

When it becomes clear that production has peaked and is on an 
irreversible downhill slope, when people wake up to the fact that 
each year the world's going to produce less oil than it did the year 
before  forever  it's suddenly going to feel like a very different 
world.

http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2006/03/how_much_oil.htm

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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Who and where are these 10,000 climate scientists?
> 
> I don't know all their names





Do you have a reference somewhere as to "10,00 climate 
scientists" ... or did you just make it up?







> but some work on glaciers measuring how 
> the earths atmosphere has changed compared to ancient times, you 
can 
> tell from an ice core how much carbon dioxide was present at a 
given 
> time and also how hot it was and how quickly it changes. You can 
> also see atmospheric composition, for instance, if a volcano 
erupted 
> 1 years ago it would leave dust in the ice and in blocking out 
> the sun will alter the earths temperature.
> 
> To cut to the chase we are living through the most rapid warming 
> period the earth has seen and it coincides with the discovery of 
> fossil fuels, compared to all the avalable fossil data the only 
> explanation is that we are responsible.




and this is according to the 10,000 climate scientists of which 
you can't name one?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Pete Seeger interview

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Franklin D, listen to me,
> You ain't a-gonna send me 'cross the sea.
> You may say it's for defense
> That kinda talk ain't got no sense.

If the following sounds a little familiar to you,
Shemp, it's because we already had this same
discussion over on alt.m.t when you made this claim
about Seeger. This is a repost of what I posted
then, just to remind you that we know who is lying
about what.

And here's an *accurate* description of what happened, from "Woody
Guthrie's Life" (note that the Almanac Singers mentioned below was
Pete Seeger's group):

Woody's politics took a turn as the United States came into the
Second World War. Early in the war, communist-sympathizing singers
were confused about what stance they should take on the war. They
wrote anti-war songs, citing the typical "rich man's war, poor man's
fight" nature of international conflict, and since Stalin and Hitler
had signed a non-aggression pact, they felt it wrong to support a
fight against Hitler.

Yet the far Left obviously found no consonance with Nazi ideals, and
they passionately despised Hitler's ways. So for a time, Woody, the
Almanac Singers, and similar performers were torn on what their
opinon of the war should be. When Hitler broke his agreement with
Stalin, though, the American Left could freely and adamantly support
the war. After all, Americans and Soviets were fighting side by side
against a common enemy, and a thoroughly despicable enemy at that.

Since the US was fighting fascism, Woody and the Almanac Singers
wrote dozens of songs about defeating fascism and Hitler. And since
any kind of strike would cripple the war effort, all the old union
songs were put on the shelf for awhile. Eventually though, Pete
Seeger joined the army, and that left the Almanac singers up in the
air.

http://www.dhh-ev.de/alt/woody.html

The copies of the antiwar (not pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi) album
the Almanac Singers had made were withdrawn and destroyed the
day after Hitler invaded, and the group proceeded to make a new
album calling on the United States to get into the war against
Hitler.

And Pete Seeger, as noted above, joined the Army to fight Hitler.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Disappearing Thread

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> new.morning wrote:
> 
> >This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
> >Anyone else experience this? 
> >
> >Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
> >
> I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will show 
> up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.

Yes, I am aware of that one.

But this is a bit different. The posts were on the web site earlier
today. Now they are gone.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which Charities Deserve your money, the TMO?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" 
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> http://www.give.org/
> 
> http://www.charitywatch.org/
> 
> http://www.guidestar.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://marketplacemoney.publicradio.org/display/web/2006/06/30/buffett_
> effect/
>

In what way is the TMO a charity?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Pete Seeger interview

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H"  
> wrote:
> >
> > for Pete Seeger fans you watch a really great interview with Amy
> > Goodman. Amazing how lucid he is, his memory is crystal clear.
> > KH
> > 
> > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/1443245
> >
> 
> Did he mention how he supported and defending Adolf Hitler...that 
is, 
> before his masters in Moscow were duped by Adolf at which point he 
did 
> a 180 degree about-face and then, all of a sudden, was against 
Hitler?
> 
> (now Judy will chime in and claim that Seeger never did such a 
> thing...keeping with her well-tuned tradition of defending
> supporters of mass murder and racism)

Judy will point out that the above is an incredibly
distorted version of what actually happened, which 
is what we usually hear from Shemp.  And of course
he *knows* he's lying about my purportedly defending
supporters of mass murder and racism.

If the following sounds a little familiar to you,
Shemp, it's because we already had this same
discussion over on alt.m.t when you made this claim
about Seeger. This is a repost of what I posted
then, just to remind you that we know who is lying
about what.

And here's an *accurate* description of what happened, from "Woody
Guthrie's Life" (note that the Almanac Singers mentioned below was
Pete Seeger's group):

Woody's politics took a turn as the United States came into the
Second World War. Early in the war, communist-sympathizing singers
were confused about what stance they should take on the war. They
wrote anti-war songs, citing the typical "rich man's war, poor man's
fight" nature of international conflict, and since Stalin and Hitler
had signed a non-aggression pact, they felt it wrong to support a
fight against Hitler.

Yet the far Left obviously found no consonance with Nazi ideals, and
they passionately despised Hitler's ways. So for a time, Woody, the
Almanac Singers, and similar performers were torn on what their
opinon of the war should be. When Hitler broke his agreement with
Stalin, though, the American Left could freely and adamantly support
the war. After all, Americans and Soviets were fighting side by side
against a common enemy, and a thoroughly despicable enemy at that.

Since the US was fighting fascism, Woody and the Almanac Singers
wrote dozens of songs about defeating fascism and Hitler. And since
any kind of strike would cripple the war effort, all the old union
songs were put on the shelf for awhile. Eventually though, Pete
Seeger joined the army, and that left the Almanac singers up in the
air.

http://www.dhh-ev.de/alt/woody.html

The copies of the anitwar (not pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi) album
the Almanac Singers had made were withdrawn and destroyed the
day after Hitler invaded, and the group proceeded to make a new
album calling on the United States to get into the war against
Hitler.

And Pete Seeger, as noted above, joined the Army to fight Hitler.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Disappearing Thread

2006-07-04 Thread Bhairitu

new.morning wrote:

>This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
>Anyone else experience this? 
>
>Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding
>
I find that threads show up late in email sometimes but they will show 
up on time on the web site.  Just more Yahoo weirdness.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Stop consuming fossil-fuels yourselves in your daily lives: no 
> more 
> > cars, no more trips on airplanes.
> > 
> > And there are probably millions of you like this in the USA 
alone.
> > 
> > The rest of us who DON't believe there's a problem will continue 
> to 
> > consume fossil fuels to our hearts' content.
> > 
> > I think we can, overnight, eliminate at least 30-40% of the 
> burning of 
> > fossil-fuels.  That's a pretty good success, isn't it.
> > 
> > You're happy, we're happy.
> >
> 
> That is actually quite brilliant, if only I could persuade my 
> other "green" friends to do what I do, it just might work!
>

Thank you...and this is the exact point I'm trying to make to people 
like new.morning and Bhairitu and Billie Bats who claim that 
armagedden is right around the corner: don't waste your time trying 
to convince recalitrants like me but use your finite time and energy 
wisely: go convince those that, like you, believe that Armagedden is 
around the corner yet continue to consume fossil fuels.  Such a MUCH 
better use of your time than idly gossiping here on FFL!

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[FairfieldLife] Let's worry about something else for a change!


Have a read, it should put things into perspective.


http://www.space.com/searchforlife/060629_seti_thursday.html






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PUT UP OR SHUT UP, YOU FEAR-MONGERS

2006-07-04 Thread Peter

I live in South Florida. I've got a canoe in the
garage and I've got scuba gear.

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 7/4/06 1:37 PM, hugheshugo at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Not idle gossip I'm afraid, the greenland ice
> sheet is melting as is
> > the antarctic sheet and the himalayan glaciers,
> the earths
> > temerature has risen 1.6 degrees in the last
> hundred years which
> > doesn't sound like much but one more dgree and we
> are in serious
> > trouble. Do you live in Iowa? how would you like
> beach front house?
> > 
> I heard many years ago that Maharishi said that we
> in Iowa should prepare to
> live in a tropical climate.
> 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Words, Implications, Inferences and Understanding

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > One factor is the tendency to respond to what one infers the 
poster
> > > implied. Whew, what a sentence, but its a useful model: 
> > > 
> > > a) words written ===>> 
> > > 
> > > b1) meanings intentionally implied, or 
> > > b2) meanings unconsciously implied, but logically present 
(the
> > > writer has not realized the implications, but readers may)
> > 
> > For example, in a recent thread, Lawson wrote 
> > (regarding Andrew Skolnick):
> > 
> > When it comes to TM and other matters New-Age-ish,
> > he's more than a bit obsessed.
> > 
> > Vaj replied:
> > 
> > Sounds like you too [sic] have a lot in common.
> > 
> > I commented:
> > 
> > If so, the big difference would be that Sparaig
> > doesn't attempt to deceive or mislead anybody.
> > 
> > Vaj responded:
> > 
> > That was joke, right?
> > 
> > Now, logically, the implication of Vaj's response
> > is that Lawson does indeed attempt to mislead and
> > deceive.
> > 
> > Just to make sure, I asked Vaj if that was indeed
> > what he meant.  In fact, I've now asked him three
> > separate times.
> > 
> > What is the logical implication, do you suppose,
> > of his failure to reply?
> 
> Having the good taste to avoid someone who is 
> obviously trying to start a fight?  :-)

No, I think you're a little mixed up here, as usual.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis train on Art of Living to spread peace

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.dailyindia.com/show/38919.php/ 
> Iraqis_train_on_Art_of_Living_to_spread_peace
> 
> Iraqis train on Art of Living to spread peace
> 
> By Arvind Padmanabhan, Indo-Asian News Service
> 
> Bangalore, July 1 (IANS) A team of 43 Iraqis is on a 40-day  
> sabbatical at Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's hermitage here to learn the 
Art  
> of Living techniques and spread the message of peace and stress-
free  
> living in their war-torn country.
> 
>
Let's hope it works better than our attempts.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PUT UP OR SHUT UP, YOU FEAR-MONGERS

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PUT UP OR SHUT UP, YOU FEAR-MONGERS





on 7/4/06 1:37 PM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not idle gossip I'm afraid, the greenland ice sheet is melting as is 
the antarctic sheet and the himalayan glaciers, the earths 
temerature has risen 1.6 degrees in the last hundred years which 
doesn't sound like much but one more dgree and we are in serious 
trouble. Do you live in Iowa? how would you like beach front house?

I heard many years ago that Maharishi said that we in Iowa should prepare to live in a tropical climate.

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[FairfieldLife] Dissappearing Thread

This whole thread has disappeared -- at least on my side of the net.
Anyone else experience this? 

Words, Implications, Inferences, Understanding

Did you delete it? 

If not, someone might be somehow hacking a way of deleting messages
they did not send.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming