[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yang'- Interpretation of Maharishi's Urgent Message'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Yo!, I was just reading this New Age channeling thing; And it seemed to be saying that It's darkest, right before the dawn. So, we could look at this urgent message of Maharishi's; Instead of fear mongering, like his friend, King George II... That there could be a great opening this summer, a rise in collective consciousness; And if so, one he wants to take the credit for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yang'- Interpretation of Maharishi's Urgent Message'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Hey Yo!, I was just reading this New Age channeling thing; And it seemed to be saying that It's darkest, right before the dawn. So, we could look at this urgent message of Maharishi's; Instead of fear mongering, like his friend, King George II... That there could be a great opening this summer, a rise in collective consciousness; And if so, one he wants to take the credit for. When you say (He)Maharishi wants to take credit for what? What does he want to take credit for exactly? Saving the world from total chaos and destruction? Don't we all want to save the world, in some way. Especially the Mothers and Fathers who love their children. So, I would assume that Maharishi, like any other spiritual Master, wants to do as much as he can, during this time of major transition in the world, from the old power structure, that goes back to Roman days, and before; To something new, which may not look like exactly like what Maharishi has in mind; But I am sure, he has and is having a positive influence on the world's consciousness. And, he has always wanted to take credit, to expose this knowledge; To the most people possible. He considers himself to be a world teacher. So, what's the matter with that??? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The movement can only proceed by fits and starts, or it would create fear and havoc in the world by a too-rapid enlightenment. So these occasional calls to end some state of emergency are just a necessary feature of a spiritual regeneration movement trying to work in the Kaliyuga. Bob That was your most cogent post ever. You didn't call anyone names, and it made sense. Are you feeling ill? Heshie P. http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping - statement of Charlie Lutes
200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post- mortem on the TM-movement, his conclusion will be, Yogic-flying destroyed TM - movement. 200 years from now no one will know anything about MMY or the TMO. Gone, poof! 20 years from now, this will be true for 99.99% of the world's population. The .01% will cling to their fantasies until their generation dies, and then it'll be 100%. Maharishi just doesn't have what it takes to be remembered by history. That quality, seen in Christ and the Buddha, is extraordinary compassion and dedication, combined with a *lack* of desire to be remembered, to outlast their time. From the historical records, it would seem that such things just didn't matter to them. They do to Maharishi. The whole TM movement is too based in his own ego and his need to be recognized and get credit for things to ever succeed at its stated goals. Gifts only are only really appreciated when they're given away. When the giver expects something in return, they're not gifts... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: But lest we forget, The Beatles had already proven themselves extremely good and powerful allies to MMY. Remember how in September/October 1967 George Harrison John Lennon tried their damnedest to defend MMY and his teachings whilst doing so proved they had a very full grasp on their subject? (The audio files of these shows make very instructive listening.) But whatever stresses John Lennon suffered at the time, (marital friction, Yoko Ono writing him odd letters, peer pressure to 'turn on', entourage pressure to get back home, misunderstandings and disputes about the making of the movie, Robert Stigwood interested in managing The Beatles! whatever!! ..), John was still the undisputed leader of the world's most successful pop group ever, and if he had wanted to stay with MMY, he most certainly would have done so! Having spent several weeks with MMY in India John finally got the idea to challenge MMY on his own turf - i.e. in the area of consciousness, and it appears that MMY was found lacking, not as cosmically conscious as John Lennon had been led to believe. (I really applaud John for his balls to stand up to MMY). It is all too obvious that John wanted spiritual gifts such as he had found discussed in 'Autobiography of a Yogi', but it became all too apparent that MMY was in no position to grant such boons, so John quit . later was shot by Chapman who had convinced himself that his idol did not exemplify higher awareness. Ironic or what? So because MMY wasn't a good enough mind reader, you think this was definite sign of lack on MMY's part? There was no lack on anyone's part; It's just the way it happened. John Lennon, wanted something different, than the simplicity being offered; and began unstressing on some Jesus thing. And Maharishi, couldn't understand, that he was doing everything, He could to make them comfortable there. And treated like royality. And I am sure Maharishi was definetly dissappointed; With the loss of public exposure to the knowledge; He is attempting to exose to the sleeping masses. So, no lack on anyone's part. Just the sluggish nature, of Kali-Yuga... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead heshiepothead@ wrote: Anyone here use them for back problems? I'm curious about results. I've got a couple of problem spots in mid-back and lower back, and yoga/chiropractic/exercise, etc. nothing seems to work right now and someone suggested an inversion table. Appreciated HP I've had fairly good results using small magnets attached the north pole against skin. But they may not work if your condition is extremely severe. Have you tried MAK, both types? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: to see the master walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo house overlookin' the Himalayas. Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh? Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick and concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple labor and materials were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one could buy a house like that in India for about 20k. 16,000 square feet is a VERY large house... Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying? Is it like: What's love got to do with it? or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do with it? Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything? What's up with the house? I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is really attached to money, houses and things.'--how holy can he be? Not very. And just how attached was Lennon to thse things? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. Compared to the Shah? At least the current government is of the same religion as most of the citizens. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping - statement of Charlie Lutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure. Yogic-flying is the biggest mistake Maharishi ever made in his life. 200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post- mortem on the TM-movement, his conclusion will be, Yogic-flying destroyed TM - movement. Huh. I rather like it. YMMV. Well said. Thanks, statement of Charlie Lutes, circa 1977, Yogic flying is a bunch of crap Whereupon he hopped... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: to see the master walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo house overlookin' the Himalayas. Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh? Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick and concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple labor and materials were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one could buy a house like that in India for about 20k. 16,000 square feet is a VERY large house... Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying? Is it like: What's love got to do with it? or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do with it? Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything? What's up with the house? I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is really attached to money, houses and things.'--how holy can he be? Not very. Yeah, and not only that, he was just human, like the rest of us; Couldn't walk on water, couldn't levitate; what a disappointment. But could it be, that Maharishi, just likes structure; Being a Capricorn, he can't help be an earthy one. And he was to leave an earthly mark; and he feels he only has a certain amount of time to do it. So, I am sure, when the Beatles appeared at his Ashram one day; 'Back in the Day'. And, maybe, 'The Maharishi' [thought] +to- [himself]; Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. Maybe that John Lennon, really will stay as focused as he seems to be now; he seems so receptive to this knowledge...The one they call George too, he's a very good student. I have high hopes for these boys! Wow, maybe we really could bring about a new age?... Just hope we can all stay on a positive note You know what happens when you get too successful? Stuff, starts happening; well we'll see, yes, we'll just have to wait and see... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead heshiepothead@ wrote: Anyone here use them for back problems? I'm curious about results. I've got a couple of problem spots in mid-back and lower back, and yoga/chiropractic/exercise, etc. nothing seems to work right now and someone suggested an inversion table. Appreciated HP I've had fairly good results using small magnets attached the north pole against skin. But they may not work if your condition is extremely severe. Thanks for your magnet recommendation. I sleep on a full magnet mattress pad given to me by someone who sells Nikken magnet stuff. Nuttin' happened, but I do like sleeping on it. Have you tried MAK, both types? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use one. Read the testimonials at: http://www.teeterhangups.com/testimonials/index.html Teeter is acknowledged by many to be the best. Promolife had the best prices when I bought a Teeter 7000 and free shipping. I have bought items from them three times and the service has always been excellent. Thanks for the recommendation, I did order a Teeter 5000 (the one below the 7000) today for $299 (before I saw your post). Can't wait to *hang* myself. http://www.promolife.com/products/invert.htm Also, look into quantum-touch: http://www.quantumtouch.com/ --- heshiepothead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone here use them for back problems? I'm curious about results. I've got a couple of problem spots in mid-back and lower back, and yoga/chiropractic/exercise, etc. nothing seems to work right now and someone suggested an inversion table. Appreciated HP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. Why ? When we where in Iran everybody, including the embassy personell expected that the Shah would use troops on his own population and they feared a civil war. Nothing happened, not 1 person injured. The Shah just quietly slipped out of the country. Same thing in the Philippines. To understand what Maharishi has done for the world requires a little more insight than the above noozguru manages to come up with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead heshiepothead@ wrote: Anyone here use them for back problems? I'm curious about results. I've got a couple of problem spots in mid-back and lower back, and yoga/chiropractic/exercise, etc. nothing seems to work right now and someone suggested an inversion table. Appreciated HP Have you tried MAK, both types? Well, I tried the Ak Mak regular crackers and they didn't do a thing. Then I tried the sesame Ak Maks and I had a hard time getting the sesame seeds out from between my teeth. Did nothing for my back though. what is MAK? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does my memory play tricks with me once again?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall being mentioned during my siddhis course that one purpose of Sun, Moon and Polar Star (suurya, candra, dhruva) is to be of help in navigation during Flying. Be it as it may, both Vyaasa and Bhojadeva mention rays in their comments on YF-suutra. The relevant passage in YS-bhaashya goes like this, I believe: tatas tuurNanaabhitantumaatre vihRtya rashmiSu viharati (tataH; tu; uurNa-naabhi-tantu-maatre...) My attempt at translation: But then (after having been able to walk on water) having walked on a mere warp(?) of a spider's web he moves on in (on?) rays (rashmi_Su: locative plural of rashmi). Bhojadeva: [...] aadityarashmibhishca viharanyatheSTam aakaashena gacchati. (aaditya-rashmibhiH; ca; viharan; yathaa; iSTam...) ... moving (viharan) with the rays of sun ([aaditya]-rashmi_bhiH: instrumental plural of rashmi ) he goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena: instrumental singular of aakaasha) as (yathaa) he wishes (iSTam). 'Yes, from my recollection and experience; These particular sutras, seem to stimulate the ability; To navigate, (On the inner realms), and 'know' where you are; As if you are 'Floating in Space'(akasha). Now, for me, when I close my eyes, And tai chi helps me with this also; But I can focus and have a certain awareness; Of where I am in relation to another place. One time, last year, during the big storm; Which hit New Orleans; I could 'feel', on the inside; the direction of the storm; And I could feel, on the inside; The feeling of a powerful force building, in the Gulf of Mexico; It felt like the vibration of the Sanskrit word for thunder: Indra... So, these different sutras, work on a very subtle level; on and in the inner world; So, that the yogi can feel direction, vibration, emotion, vision, expansion, contraction, and all of the other variables, the yogi, or yogin, wishes to have knowledge of... I noticed that the above translation of the sutra; Explains how the yogin: 'Get's with the rays of the Sun. So, levitation, must have something to do with the ability; To percieve the finest aspect of the body; as light? Not just 'lightness', but light itself; the body becomes light itself; Which means you have to raise your physical vibration to a very high level; A very high level; that apparently is not possible by too many at the present time, as well as the recent past; But, who knows, maybe soon, someone will break the 'light/barrier'? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure. Yogic-flying is the biggest mistake Maharishi ever made in his life. 200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post- mortem on the TM-movement, his conclusion will be, Yogic-flying destroyed TM - movement. Huh. I rather like it. YMMV. Well said. Failure for who ? For those that didn't get the hang of it obviously. For those that never took it seriously, ofcourse. For those that for some personal reasons never made it work, or those that where just kidding around even having conversations during flying ? Yes. But not for those who do it correctly; they have very good experiences indeed. And they will be able to levitate in the 3'rd stage when the time is ripe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Saddam- Urges US- Save Your Country/Pull Out of Iraq'
July 20, 2006Hussein Writes to Americans, Urging Iraqi Pullout By EDWARD WONGBAGHDAD, Iraq, July 20 Defense lawyers for Saddam Hussein released a letter on Thursday that he recently wrote in prison that attempts to persuade the American people to demand a troop pullout because President Bush misled them into the Iraq war. The 5,000-word letter is a rambling treatise outlining what Mr. Hussein asserts are the false reasons that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, from weapons of mass destruction to Iraqi links with Al Qaeda. Mr. Hussein blames Iran and pro-Israel interests for helping lead the Americans into war. He invokes the specter of Vietnam and the spirit of Mao Zedong, saying the Chinese revolutionary is laughing in his grave because his prediction has been fulfilled and America is a paper tiger. The letter is dated July 7. It was handed by Mr. Hussein to Ramsey Clark, the former United States attorney general, who serves on Mr. Husseins defense team, said Rasha Oudeh, the office manager for Mr. Husseins eldest daughter. In the letter, Mr. Hussein said he wrote out his message to the Americans by hand at the behest of Mr. Clark. People of America, the misfortunes that have afflicted you and afflicted our Arab nation and within it our heroic people including the breakdown of Americas standing and reputation were only caused by the reckless behavior of your government and by pressure from Zionism, Mr. Hussein wrote, according to a translation of the letter sent by e-mail to reporters. The massacres and blood that now flows in the streets and countryside of Iraq in torrents the responsibility for that falls on America before all others, he added. The release of the letter came on the 14th day of a hunger strike by Mr. Hussein and three of his co-defendants. Mr. Hussein and seven other men, including his half-brother, have been on trial since last October for the imprisonment and executions of 148 men and boys from the Shiite town of Dujail. The victims were killed after what Mr. Hussein said was an assassination attempt on him in 1982. The trial is in its closing stages. Arguments are expected from the defense lawyers. But the main lawyers and defendants have been boycotting the trial for various reasons. Lt. Col. Keir-Kevin Curry, a spokesman for the American-run detainee system, said Thursday that Mr. Hussein was in relatively good health and was being monitored every day by medical professionals. He said Mr. Hussein has rejected all his meals but drinks coffee with sugar and water with nutrients. The American military had no immediate comment on the letter, he added. In the letter, Mr. Hussein said an American general tried to use intimidation and threats against him after his capture, and also tried to bargain with me, promising to let me live if I agreed to read in my own voice and sign a prepared announcement that was shown to me. That stupid announcement called on the people of Iraq and the courageous resistance to lay down arms, he said. They said that if I refused, my fate would be that I would be shot like Mussolini, he added. A week after that conversation, Mr. Hussein said, a group of Americans came to speak to him, saying they were from an American university. I confirmed to them that Iraq didnt have any of the things the American officials claimed, Mr. Hussein wrote. Farther down in the letter, Mr. Hussein sought to portray himself as a humanitarian, telling the American government to designate a neutral country to whom insurgents can hand over American prisoners rather than executing them as currently is said to be taking place. That appeared to be a reference to the abduction and mutilations of two American soldiers in the town of Yusufiya last month. The letter ends with a final bit of advice: Save your country, esteemed ladies and gentlemen, and leave Iraq. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'Does Maharishi Sabatage the Spread of TM on Purpose?'
(snip) I'm sure the list has heard my spin on this many times, but an analysis based on ordinary human logic just doesn't work when the earth is in as nasty a condition as it is. Of course, the TMO's policies are ridiculous when viewed from the perspective of any ordinary human level of rational analysis, but MMY, acting from the level of divine awareness, knows that the earth cannot tolerate the light that would be generated by a rapid rise in consciousness, and he has said so on several occasions: ...the destiny of the people doesn`t allow us to light the big lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness simply disappears. It is the fate of the people. (mou.org press conference of 24Aug2005) The movement can only proceed by fits and starts, or it would create fear and havoc in the world by a too-rapid enlightenment. So these occasional calls to end some state of emergency are just a necessary feature of a spiritual regeneration movement trying to work in the Kaliyuga. Maybe...although I interpreted Maharishi's too big a light as an explanation as to how all the efforts in the world had NOT worked, so there must be a reason it has not worked...ie. world karma. Now...all we got is a State of Emergency. So now what was all the point of the list above (I forgot also to add to that list, recertifying teachers and stopping long-time teachers from teaching, high cost of TM, and all that) OffWorld I don't think he sabotages things on purpose; I think if you read the above quote, he says, that although he tries to speed things up as quickly as possible, in as many ways as he can come up with; The nature of the time; is that most people are tired, numb, and robotically brain-washed, to a large extent. They are either plugged in to a computer, I-Pod, Tv, or some other brain-washing device, or educational system, or corporate fast food resturant. I think we just live in a completely 'dumbed down time'. I completely dissagree with your theory, that too much light, would cause more chaos to happen. No, chaos is caused by chaotic thinking and chaotic planning. If you want to know what causes chaos, the whole Neo-Con plan to go into Iraq, this was and is dark, and is not of the light. So, the light creates peace and harmony. The dark or lack or light, or awarness or consciousness, creates chaos. It's like when Jack Kennedy was President, and was killed, or Bobby Kennedy was running in 1968; The earth had a chance to be 'more in the light'. It's not the light, that caused the chaos, in the murders of Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, in the summer of '68. It was the removal of the light of these souls from the earth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. Why ? When we where in Iran everybody, including the embassy personell expected that the Shah would use troops on his own population and they feared a civil war. Nothing happened, not 1 person injured. The Shah just quietly slipped out of the country. Same thing in the Philippines. To understand what Maharishi has done for the world requires a little more insight than the above noozguru manages to come up with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Funny :-) Somehow lupidus wasn't approoved by yahoo anymore, perhaps the inbox was full or whatever, so I took another name, appropiately as my view is that Israel must be disarmed to attain peace in the region, and the city of Nablus is today again feeling the israeli aggression. By the way, Benjamin Creme doesn't have an organization. It's just a freely formated group open for everyone working together for a common goal with no leadership. Creme has a leading role because of his direct access to his Master. Anyone interested could have a look at ShareInternationalNews for july/august at : http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Does my memory play tricks with me once again?
Probably not "flying" in the physical sense, but in the inner sense.The experiential reports and my own experience with these sutras is that they are very experientially close to what is described in the Plato's 'The Story of Ur" in The Republic, book X IIRC. If you're not familiar with this myth, the gist is, there's been a great battle and many dead soldiers lie rotting on the battlefield. So they start burning the bodies on a funeral pyre. One body, the great warrior Ur, appears dead but his body has not decayed. They put him on the pyre to burn him and dude sits bolt upright and tells the story of his journey beyond the ego and beyond life, into the celestial realms, the lokas.Makes one wonder if the Greek mysteries were interconnected with ancient yogic traditions or if simply these are universal experiences of consciousness leaving the body. Suffice to say when read Plato's story of Ur, my jaw dropped to the floor. It was just so much the same experience.On Jul 21, 2006, at 1:21 AM, cardemaister wrote: I seem to recall being mentioned during my siddhis course that one "purpose" of Sun, Moon and Polar Star (suurya, candra, dhruva) is to be of help in "navigation" during Flying. Be it as it may, both Vyaasa and Bhojadeva mention "rays" in their comments on YF-suutra. The relevant passage in YS-bhaashya goes like this, I believe: tatas tuurNanaabhitantumaatre vihRtya rashmiSu viharati (tataH; tu; uurNa-naabhi-tantu-maatre...) My attempt at translation: But then (after having been able to walk on water) having walked on a mere warp(?) of a spider's web he moves on in (on?) rays (rashmi_Su: locative plural of "rashmi"). Bhojadeva: [...] aadityarashmibhishca viharanyatheSTam aakaashena gacchati. (aaditya-rashmibhiH; ca; viharan; yathaa; iSTam...) ... moving (viharan) with the rays of sun ([aaditya]-rashmi_bhiH: instrumental plural of "rashmi" ) he goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena: instrumental singular of "aakaasha") as (yathaa) "he wishes" (iSTam). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Wow", these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting." I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's "pronouncements" for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's "*my* teaching," "*my* TM technique," "*my* work." My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. One wonders if this was around the time he started slapping his assumed name, "Maharishi", on all the TMO product lines (e.g. "Maharishi Ayurveda, etc.). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:29 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,sparaig@ writes:to see the master walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo house overlookin' the Himalayas." Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh? Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick and concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple labor and materials were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one could buy a house like that in India for about 20k. 16,000 square feet is a VERY large house... Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying?Is it like: "What's love got to do with it?"or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do withit?Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything?What's up with the house? I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is really attached to money, houses and "things".'--how "holy" can he be?Not very. And just how attached was Lennon to thse things? Lennon didn't claim to be a renunciate, a rishi or a yogi.It's really interesting because in yogic-speak there are two words which are used to describe two diametrically opposed modes of being: the yogi and the bhogi. The bhogi, the enjoyer of the senses and the material is also involved in the world and things and "business": wealth. So without really knowing this, Lennon just intuited that he was really "Maharishi" Mahesh Bhogi. The Bhogi Man.bhogin2 mfn. (for 1. see col. 2) enjoying , eating Ma1rkP. Prasan3g. ; having or offering enjoyments , devoted to enjñenjoyments , wealthy , opulent MBh. Ya1jn5. Var. c. ; suffering , experiencing , undergoing Kap. ; using , possessing MW. ; m. a voluptuary MW. ; a king L. ; the head man of a village L. ; a barber L. ; = %{vaiyAvRtti-kara} (?) L. ; a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure W. ; N. of a prince VP. ; (%{inI}) f. a kind of heroine Bhar. ; the concubine of a king or a wife not regularly consecrated with him L.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
Wow - your associations gets far beyond mine - . Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impending Crisis - a Vedic Astrology perspective
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a more relevant forecast Mars has to be seen from it's transits of houses not the signs though the sign will color the transit. So it will be different for each rising sign and more specific with aspects and conjunctions to the chart. An interesting thing it to watch the Rahu house transits and see if they reflect themes in your life related to the house it is transiting. Rahu (the north node) is very influential. With Mars passing extraordinarily close to Earth in August, I'm counting on it having the effect of making wealthy Nigerians send me millions of dollars. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Have you tried MAK, both types? Well, I tried the Ak Mak regular crackers and they didn't do a thing. Then I tried the sesame Ak Maks and I had a hard time getting the sesame seeds out from between my teeth. Did nothing for my back though. what is MAK? Maharishi Amrit Kalash Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impending Crisis - a Vedic Astrology perspective
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: For a more relevant forecast Mars has to be seen from it's transits of houses not the signs though the sign will color the transit. So it will be different for each rising sign and more specific with aspects and conjunctions to the chart. An interesting thing it to watch the Rahu house transits and see if they reflect themes in your life related to the house it is transiting. Rahu (the north node) is very influential. With Mars passing extraordinarily close to Earth in August, I'm counting on it having the effect of making wealthy Nigerians send me millions of dollars. Finally, true seeing here on FFL. I suspect that your prediction is spot-on, and that you will receive many emails from Nigerians offering to make you wealthy. :-) Question -- why haven't all these Nigerian scam artists figured out that the very *mention* of the word Nigeria makes people reach for the Report Spam key? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow - your associations gets far beyond mine - . Ingegerd It was just a silly joke. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: The movement can only proceed by fits and starts, or it would create fear and havoc in the world by a too-rapid enlightenment. So these occasional calls to end some state of emergency are just a necessary feature of a spiritual regeneration movement trying to work in the Kaliyuga. Bob That was your most cogent post ever. You didn't call anyone names, and it made sense. Are you feeling ill? The vast majority of Bob's posts are cogent and don't call anyone names. Are *you* feeling ill? Heshie P. http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
In a message dated 7/20/06 5:22:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 16,000 square feet is a VERY large house...Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying?Is it like: "What's love got to do with it?"or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do with it?Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything?What's up with the house? In case you haven't read my correction, M's house in Rishikesh was small. The 16000 was a typo, I meant to type 1600 square ft. Satyanand, a couple other bramacharies, about 3 108'sa cook and I did Puja in M's meeting room in that house one night and we were a bit crowded. There was a small kitchen and dining area, bathroom, two small bedrooms, the meeting area and a basement where he would initiate and heal people.I seem to also remember an AC window unite to cool this "Million dollar house". The roof was flat and acted as a deck where M used to spend evenings under the full moon. All in all is was a quaint little bungalow. In 1960's dollars in India, that house probably cost between 5 and 10 thousand dollars to build, tops! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impending Crisis - a Vedic Astrology perspective
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: For a more relevant forecast Mars has to be seen from it's transits of houses not the signs though the sign will color the transit. So it will be different for each rising sign and more specific with aspects and conjunctions to the chart. An interesting thing it to watch the Rahu house transits and see if they reflect themes in your life related to the house it is transiting. Rahu (the north node) is very influential. With Mars passing extraordinarily close to Earth in August, I'm counting on it having the effect of making wealthy Nigerians send me millions of dollars. Finally, true seeing here on FFL. I suspect that your prediction is spot-on, and that you will receive many emails from Nigerians offering to make you wealthy. :-) Hopefully, not as many emails as I've been getting, telling me about the upcoming close approach of Mars, which actually happened three years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
In a message dated 7/20/06 7:27:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the movement wasn't so wierd, due to Maharishi's silly hobbies and wierd ideas, we could have had 10,000 in FF ages ago.Now...all we got is a "State of Emergency" Wasn't the idea back in the 80's to raise a billion dollars which was to support a permanent group of 7,000sidhas? And this would be the "washing machine" to cleanse the worlds stresses and create heaven on earth? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: Wow - your associations gets far beyond mine - . Ingegerd It was just a silly joke. I like your sense of humour. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
In a message dated 7/20/06 8:38:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So because MMY wasn't a good enough mind reader, you think this was definite sign of I thought M handled that confrontation withthe Beatles and John Lennon appropriately. The question put to him was "If you're so damned cosmic, why don't you tell us why we are leaving?" A set up. Had M used his "mind reading abilities" so to speak and said "because you think I was hitting on Mia Farrow", that would could have been interpreted as an admission of guilt. Which then puts M in the position that he has to prove, via demonstrations, that he can really read minds.Just how comfortable would anybody be if they were sitting in front of M thinking he was reading their minds the whole time? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
In a message dated 7/20/06 9:06:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is really attached to money, houses and "things".'--how "holy" can he be? Not very. M's Ashram wasn't the only one in Rishikesh, just the newest and most modern at the time. Every Ashram has to raise funds to maintain their existence. M was just very clever, he got a bunch of wealthy westerners to finance his, while most of the other Ashrams still depended on wealthy Indians to support theirs. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. snip `Glory to God and glory to our teacher, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, the lighthouse of Vedic wisdom, whose blessings we are enjoying all the time, and whose blessings are going to create a new world of peace, prosperity, and happiness. All glory to Guru Dev and all glory to the Constitution of the Universe and all glory to God.' --Press conference, January 11, 2006 'The secret of creating an effect from a distance is that the Vedic Mantra are from the Transcendental field. The Transcendental field has no resistance for the flow. A little thing here is a little thing everywhere. The Transcendental field is a frictionless flow. So the resolution that is made through the Vedic Performances is from the Vedic Mantra. Immediately the effect goes. You want the effect to go there, to have this kind of effect on that man, in that country. It is the tradition of the Vedic Pandits that they can create the effect they can create the effect from wherever they are. We have very good knowledge. That is why always we say, Glory to Guru Dev, Glory to Guru Dev.' --Second Session of the Parliament of World Peace, January 26, 2006 'As always, our life has been through the door of that supreme wisdom of life, Guru Dev, embodiment of the supreme wisdom of life '...We offer our services to Guru Dev, Puja to Guru Dev in every way, and thereby make a resolution. There is nothing new in this resolution. We have welcomed Sat-Yuga, for the last one, two months, we have been establishing administrative Capitals of Raam Raj in our world family. So today again we are motivated by this force of the Constitution of the Universe, that this is one day for fulfillment of our resolution. 'Our first resolution is our total surrender, our total being on the ground of Being of the Tradition of Vedic Masters, with all our Ministers, Rajas in the world, and with all those who have been in their private homes morning and evening basking in the sunshine of perfect knowledge, with all those all together, we now perform our symbolic dedication to the holy feet of Guru Dev 'After Puja to Guru Dev, we offer our dedication and our services to Guru Dev, official declaration of our resolution that the Finance Minister will proclaim, and there have been wishes coming on from all over the world about today. The Prime Minister will read an example of these and make everyone in our Movement, everyone in our world, a part and parcel of that resolution which will enable him to bask in the sunshine of perfection of knowledge and administration to promote and to enjoy the waves of bliss in every aspect of administration, in every aspect of our lives, inside and outside. So it is a great joy for us to do the Puja to Guru Dev.' --April 30, 2006, Akshaya Tritiya `The Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Lawwe take joy in calling it the Will of God, the omnipresent, omniscient, almighty Will of God in human awareness. And because it is omnipresent and omniscient, the influence of it does not remain isolated within the boundaries of space and time. It is the Will of God; it is the Total Natural Law, the Constitution of the Universe which is at the basis of all creation, which is the creator of all diverse values from within its own unified state. It is a beautiful programme that we got from Guru Dev, the tradition of Vedic MastersMasters with the custody of the Veda.' --Press conference, June 28, 2006 'We have today offered our puja, Guru Purnima puja, to Guru Dev. The world has been blessed for all these long years. Today, we are offering to Guru Dev the supreme gift that we got from the Holy Traditionthe Constitution of the Universe. We are happy to have this Constitution of the Universe, and the detailed programme for every country to be blessed by this Constitution of the Universe. 'The result has already started to be seenthat countries are losing their negativity, their shortcomings, their sufferingsand what is rising is already being seen in the world, in one country, Holland. What is rising? The sign of invincibility, and this we offer to Guru Dev . . . 'Guru Dev, all this blessing to all mankind, is your blessings. And today in offering all that we have, to the source of all that we have, we are really blessed. 'We are really blessed by your offer to us, Maharaja Raam. We
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
In a message dated 7/20/06 9:52:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. And many young Iranians think that also. A theocracy based on the submission to God, especially the way that is interpreted by the masses, can be a very dangerous government for those that don't share it's opinions. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] important questions the Maharishi might ask.
In a message dated 7/20/06 10:11:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ---Can you cry under water?How important does a person have to be before they are consideredassassinated instead of just murdered?Why do you have to "put your two cents in".. . but it's only a "pennyfor your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?Once you're in heaven, do you get stuck wearing the clothes you wereburied in for eternity?Why does a round pizza come in a square box?What disease did cured ham actually have?How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it wouldbe a good idea to put wheels on luggage?!Why is it that people say they "slept like a baby" when babies wake uplike every two hours?If a deaf person has to go to court, is it still called a hearing?Why are you IN a movie, but you're ON TV?Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money inbinoculars to look at things on the ground?Why do doctors leave the room while you change? They're going to seeyou naked anyway.Why is "bra" singular and "panties" pluralWhy do toasters always have a setting that burns the toast to ahorrible crisp, which no decent human being would eat?Can a hearse carrying a corpse drive in the carpool lane?If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of acoconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat?Why does Goofy stand erect while Pluto remains on all fours? They'reboth dogs!If Wiley E. Coyote had enough money to buy all that ACME crap, whydidn't he just buy dinner?If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made fromvegetables, what is baby oil made from?Do the Alphabet song and Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star have the sametune? Really...?Why did you just try singing the two songs above? I heard you!Why do they call it an asteroid when it's outside the hemisphere, butcall it a hemorrhoid when it's in your butt?Do you ever wonder why you gave me your e-mail address in the first place?Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.--- End forwarded message --- Thanks, I needed that! I'll do sanyama on those for a while. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's really interesting because in yogic-speak there are two words which are used to describe two diametrically opposed modes of being: the yogi and the bhogi. The bhogi, the enjoyer of the senses and the material is also involved in the world and things and business: wealth. So without really knowing this, Lennon just intuited that he was really Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi. The Bhogi Man. That may have been what Lennon intuited. The question is, was his intuition accurate? The issue isn't whether a person enjoys the senses and the material and is involved in the world, but whether they are *attached* to these enjoyments and involvements. And that, of course, is a matter of the nature of the person's subjective experience, not their behavior. MMY defines enlightenment as 200 percent of life--100 percent of the Absolute and 100 percent of the relative. And according to him, renunciation refers to the experience of nonattachment on the level of consciousness, not physical withdrawal from the things of the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
A friend, the crazed Zen master, Roshi Kobutsu Malone, gave me a copy of the recent book _The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant_ by John Riley Perks with the hope that I might want to interview him sometime. This is a great book, for me, one of those books you just can't put down, it's so captivating. It's the story of the Vidyadhara Chogyam Trungpa as told by his butler and heart disciple. It's been refused advertisement in most Buddhist magazines, esp. those associated with Trungpa's spiritual org, Shambhala. Needless to say, Shambhala Publications ( http://www.shambhala.com/ ) wouldn't publish it either, so it's been privately printed. I don't see why. It's not about guru bashing but an intimate insight into one of the most controversial and influential mahasiddhas of the last century. Of course, after the demise of Trungpa, it's also not surprising that the new org wants to whitewash and sanitize his image and bio. This book is a thorn they're anxious to avoid. A great read for those who enjoy this kinda thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Deist on top
http://freethunk.net/humanistsinlove/deistontop.php (Note: NOT work-safe, nor for the easily offended.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
This sounds very interesting, Vaj. But Amazon shows only one copy available, being sold as new by an individual, at what looks to me to be too high a price. Do you know any other sources for the book? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend, the crazed Zen master, Roshi Kobutsu Malone, gave me a copy of the recent book _The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant_ by John Riley Perks with the hope that I might want to interview him sometime. This is a great book, for me, one of those books you just can't put down, it's so captivating. It's the story of the Vidyadhara Chogyam Trungpa as told by his butler and heart disciple. It's been refused advertisement in most Buddhist magazines, esp. those associated with Trungpa's spiritual org, Shambhala. Needless to say, Shambhala Publications ( http://www.shambhala.com/ ) wouldn't publish it either, so it's been privately printed. I don't see why. It's not about guru bashing but an intimate insight into one of the most controversial and influential mahasiddhas of the last century. Of course, after the demise of Trungpa, it's also not surprising that the new org wants to whitewash and sanitize his image and bio. This book is a thorn they're anxious to avoid. A great read for those who enjoy this kinda thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure. Yogic-flying is the biggest mistake Maharishi ever made in his life. 200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post- mortem on the TM-movement, his conclusion will be, Yogic-flying destroyed TM - movement. Huh. I rather like it. YMMV. Well said. Failure for who ? For those that didn't get the hang of it obviously. For those that never took it seriously, ofcourse. For those that for some personal reasons never made it work, or those that where just kidding around even having conversations during flying ? Yes. But not for those who do it correctly; they have very good experiences indeed. And they will be able to levitate in the 3'rd stage when the time is ripe. Since floating, hopping, etc., are only peripherally important, why are you worried about it if you are? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead heshiepothead@ wrote: Anyone here use them for back problems? I'm curious about results. I've got a couple of problem spots in mid-back and lower back, and yoga/chiropractic/exercise, etc. nothing seems to work right now and someone suggested an inversion table. Appreciated HP Have you tried MAK, both types? Well, I tried the Ak Mak regular crackers and they didn't do a thing. Then I tried the sesame Ak Maks and I had a hard time getting the sesame seeds out from between my teeth. Did nothing for my back though. what is MAK? Maharishi Amrit Kalash, super-duper freed radical scavangers. They cut inflamation like nobody's business. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure. Yogic-flying is the biggest mistake Maharishi ever made in his life. 200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post- mortem on the TM-movement, his conclusion will be, Yogic-flying destroyed TM - movement. Huh. I rather like it. YMMV. Well said. Failure for who ? For those that didn't get the hang of it obviously. For those that never took it seriously, ofcourse. For those that for some personal reasons never made it work, or those that where just kidding around even having conversations during flying ? Yes. But not for those who do it correctly; they have very good experiences indeed. And they will be able to levitate in the 3'rd stage when the time is ripe. Hi, I was responding to Spairaig's comment, not the 'failure' one. I always had great experiences with the flying technique- lots of high hops, some extended hops and at least once a short 10-12 ft 'flight'. I don't do the Sidhis program anymore though- but not because I thought there was anything wrong with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does my memory play tricks with me once again?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not flying in the physical sense, but in the inner sense. The experiential reports and my own experience with these sutras is that they are very experientially close to what is described in the Plato's 'The Story of Ur in The Republic, book X IIRC. If you're not familiar with this myth, the gist is, there's been a great battle and many dead soldiers lie rotting on the battlefield. So they start burning the bodies on a funeral pyre. One body, the great warrior Ur, appears dead but his body has not decayed. They put him on the pyre to burn him and dude sits bolt upright and tells the story of his journey beyond the ego and beyond life, into the celestial realms, the lokas. Makes one wonder if the Greek mysteries were interconnected with ancient yogic traditions or if simply these are universal experiences of consciousness leaving the body. Suffice to say when read Plato's story of Ur, my jaw dropped to the floor. It was just so much the same experience. Of course there's a connection --Greece was part ofthe Indo-European cultural thingie.. THe TM researchers focused in on it with one of their early studies on the sidhis. They compared the spontaneous descriptions of falvors from those specific sidhis with Plato's Ideal descriptions of the movement of the stars. On Jul 21, 2006, at 1:21 AM, cardemaister wrote: I seem to recall being mentioned during my siddhis course that one purpose of Sun, Moon and Polar Star (suurya, candra, dhruva) is to be of help in navigation during Flying. Be it as it may, both Vyaasa and Bhojadeva mention rays in their comments on YF-suutra. The relevant passage in YS-bhaashya goes like this, I believe: tatas tuurNanaabhitantumaatre vihRtya rashmiSu viharati (tataH; tu; uurNa-naabhi-tantu-maatre...) My attempt at translation: But then (after having been able to walk on water) having walked on a mere warp(?) of a spider's web he moves on in (on?) rays (rashmi_Su: locative plural of rashmi). Bhojadeva: [...] aadityarashmibhishca viharanyatheSTam aakaashena gacchati. (aaditya-rashmibhiH; ca; viharan; yathaa; iSTam...) ... moving (viharan) with the rays of sun ([aaditya]-rashmi_bhiH: instrumental plural of rashmi ) he goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena: instrumental singular of aakaasha) as (yathaa) he wishes (iSTam). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. It happened about 3 years ago when he changed the price structure up to $2500, and a bunch of TM teachers said I dont wanna so MMY said Hey, it's MY technique, not yours, so *I* get to set the price. He STILL refers to Gurudev constantly, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. One wonders if this was around the time he started slapping his assumed name, Maharishi, on all the TMO product lines (e.g. Maharishi Ayurveda, etc.). Er, you mean back in 1971, with Maharishi International University? And MMY explained very carefully why that was done when he did it. I love people who speak without any knowledge of the subject matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
to see the master
walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo
house
overlookin' the Himalayas.
Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh?
Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick
and
concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple
labor and materials
were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one
could buy a
house like that in India for about 20k.
16,000 square feet is a VERY large house...
Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying?
Is it like: What's love got to do with it?
or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do with
it?
Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything?
What's up with the house?
I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is
really attached to money, houses and things.'--how holy can he
be?
Not very.
And just how attached was Lennon to thse things?
Lennon didn't claim to be a renunciate, a rishi or a yogi.
It's really interesting because in yogic-speak there are two words
which are used to describe two diametrically opposed modes of being:
the yogi and the bhogi. The bhogi, the enjoyer of the senses and the
material is also involved in the world and things and business:
wealth. So without really knowing this, Lennon just intuited that he
was really Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi. The Bhogi Man.
bhogin
2 mfn. (for 1. see col. 2) enjoying , eating Ma1rkP. Prasan3g. ;
having or offering enjoyments , devoted to enjñenjoyments , wealthy ,
opulent MBh. Ya1jn5. Var. c. ; suffering , experiencing , undergoing
Kap. ; using , possessing MW. ; m. a voluptuary MW. ; a king L. ; the
head man of a village L. ; a barber L. ; = %{vaiyAvRtti-kara} (?)
L. ; a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure W. ; N.
of a prince VP. ; (%{inI}) f. a kind of heroine Bhar. ; the concubine
of a king or a wife not regularly consecrated with him L.
And MMY hasn't claimed to be a renunciate in many decades. He's explicitly
called himself
a householder, as I already pointed out. And he never took sanyasin vows. Even
so, show
me his personal wealth, or his deep pockets or his dozens of Rolls Royces, etc.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 8:38:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So because MMY wasn't a good enough mind reader, you think this was definite sign of I thought M handled that confrontation with the Beatles and John Lennon appropriately. The question put to him was If you're so damned cosmic, why don't you tell us why we are leaving? A set up. Had M used his mind reading abilities so to speak and said because you think I was hitting on Mia Farrow, that would could have been interpreted as an admission of guilt. Which then puts M in the position that he has to prove, via demonstrations, that he can really read minds. Just how comfortable would anybody be if they were sitting in front of M thinking he was reading their minds the whole time? Joe Kellet, Ithink it is, blames MMY for not being a good mind reader also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. snip `Glory to God and glory to our teacher, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, the lighthouse of Vedic wisdom, whose blessings we are enjoying all the time, and whose blessings are going to create a new world of peace, prosperity, and happiness. All glory to Guru Dev and all glory to the Constitution of the Universe and all glory to God.' --Press conference, January 11, 2006 'The secret of creating an effect from a distance is that the Vedic Mantra are from the Transcendental field. The Transcendental field has no resistance for the flow. A little thing here is a little thing everywhere. The Transcendental field is a frictionless flow. So the resolution that is made through the Vedic Performances is from the Vedic Mantra. Immediately the effect goes. You want the effect to go there, to have this kind of effect on that man, in that country. It is the tradition of the Vedic Pandits that they can create the effect they can create the effect from wherever they are. We have very good knowledge. That is why always we say, Glory to Guru Dev, Glory to Guru Dev.' --Second Session of the Parliament of World Peace, January 26, 2006 'As always, our life has been through the door of that supreme wisdom of life, Guru Dev, embodiment of the supreme wisdom of life '...We offer our services to Guru Dev, Puja to Guru Dev in every way, and thereby make a resolution. There is nothing new in this resolution. We have welcomed Sat-Yuga, for the last one, two months, we have been establishing administrative Capitals of Raam Raj in our world family. So today again we are motivated by this force of the Constitution of the Universe, that this is one day for fulfillment of our resolution. 'Our first resolution is our total surrender, our total being on the ground of Being of the Tradition of Vedic Masters, with all our Ministers, Rajas in the world, and with all those who have been in their private homes morning and evening basking in the sunshine of perfect knowledge, with all those all together, we now perform our symbolic dedication to the holy feet of Guru Dev 'After Puja to Guru Dev, we offer our dedication and our services to Guru Dev, official declaration of our resolution that the Finance Minister will proclaim, and there have been wishes coming on from all over the world about today. The Prime Minister will read an example of these and make everyone in our Movement, everyone in our world, a part and parcel of that resolution which will enable him to bask in the sunshine of perfection of knowledge and administration to promote and to enjoy the waves of bliss in every aspect of administration, in every aspect of our lives, inside and outside. So it is a great joy for us to do the Puja to Guru Dev.' --April 30, 2006, Akshaya Tritiya `The Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Lawwe take joy in calling it the Will of God, the omnipresent, omniscient, almighty Will of God in human awareness. And because it is omnipresent and omniscient, the influence of it does not remain isolated within the boundaries of space and time. It is the Will of God; it is the Total Natural Law, the Constitution of the Universe which is at the basis of all creation, which is the creator of all diverse values from within its own unified state. It is a beautiful programme that we got from Guru Dev, the tradition of Vedic MastersMasters with the custody of the Veda.' --Press conference, June 28, 2006 'We have today offered our puja, Guru Purnima puja, to Guru Dev. The world has been blessed for all these long years. Today, we are offering to Guru Dev the supreme gift that we got from the Holy Traditionthe Constitution of the Universe. We are happy to have this Constitution of the Universe, and the detailed programme for every country to be blessed by this Constitution of the Universe. 'The result has already started to be seenthat countries are losing their negativity, their shortcomings, their sufferingsand what is rising is already being seen in the world, in one country, Holland. What is rising? The sign of invincibility, and this we offer to Guru Dev . . . 'Guru Dev, all this
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend, the crazed Zen master, Roshi Kobutsu Malone, gave me a copy of the recent book _The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant_ by John Riley Perks with the hope that I might want to interview him sometime. This is a great book, for me, one of those books you just can't put down, it's so captivating. It's the story of the Vidyadhara Chogyam Trungpa as told by his butler and heart disciple. It's been refused advertisement in most Buddhist magazines, esp. those associated with Trungpa's spiritual org, Shambhala. Needless to say, Shambhala Publications ( http://www.shambhala.com/ ) wouldn't publish it either, so it's been privately printed. For the record, Shambhala Publications is not formally associated with Trungpa's Shambhala organization, although it does publish his works. As a spiritual publisher, it's exceedingly eclectic and wide-ranging. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [Barry wrote:] Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. One wonders if this was around the time he started slapping his assumed name, Maharishi, on all the TMO product lines (e.g. Maharishi Ayurveda, etc.). Er, you mean back in 1971, with Maharishi International University? And MMY explained very carefully why that was done when he did it. It's a branding strategy. (Also, perhaps, a way of ensuring that Guru Dev isn't held responsible for anything MMY does that others don't approve of.) I love people who speak without any knowledge of the subject matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
Amazon here shows it for 17.95 (23.80 CDN), the actual price, direct from the publisher in Vermont.On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:27 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:This sounds very interesting, Vaj. But Amazon shows only one copy available, being sold as new by an individual, at what looks to me to be too high a price. Do you know any other sources for the book? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:35 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" babajii_99@ wrote: "Wow", these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting." I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's "pronouncements" for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's "*my* teaching," "*my* TM technique," "*my* work." My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. One wonders if this was around the time he started slapping his assumed name, "Maharishi", on all the TMO product lines (e.g. "Maharishi Ayurveda, etc.). Er, you mean back in 1971, with "Maharishi International University?" And MMY explained very carefully why that was done when he did it. I love people who speak without any knowledge of the subject matter. He makes excuses, it doesn't mean we have to buy into them. He just likes to see his name in lights: a university, various products, the world largest building, etc. etc., ad nauseam... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. It happened about 3 years ago when he changed the price structure up to $2500, and a bunch of TM teachers said I dont wanna so MMY said Hey, it's MY technique, not yours, so *I* get to set the price. He STILL refers to Gurudev constantly, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend, the crazed Zen master, Roshi Kobutsu Malone, gave me a copy of the recent book _The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant_ by John Riley Perks with the hope that I might want to interview him sometime. This is a great book, for me, one of those books you just can't put down, it's so captivating. It's the story of the Vidyadhara Chogyam Trungpa as told by his butler and heart disciple. It's been refused advertisement in most Buddhist magazines, esp. those associated with Trungpa's spiritual org, Shambhala. Needless to say, Shambhala Publications ( http://www.shambhala.com/ ) wouldn't publish it either, so it's been privately printed. For the record, Shambhala Publications is not formally associated with Trungpa's Shambhala organization, although it does publish his works. As a spiritual publisher, it's exceedingly eclectic and wide-ranging. However it's founder, Sam Bercholz, was a close student of Trungpa's and an acharya in that tradition. He has sold the business but IIRC is still on the Board and Editor-in-chief. The current owners have the same affiliations. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:38 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:29 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: to see the master walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo house overlookin' the Himalayas." Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh? Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick and concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple labor and materials were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one could buy a house like that in India for about 20k.16,000 square feet is a VERY large house... Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying? Is it like: "What's love got to do with it?" or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do with it? Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything? What's up with the house? I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is really attached to money, houses and "things".'--how "holy" can he be? Not very.And just how attached was Lennon to thse things? Lennon didn't claim to be a renunciate, a rishi or a yogi. It's really interesting because in yogic-speak there are two words which are used to describe two diametrically opposed modes of being: the yogi and the bhogi. The bhogi, the enjoyer of the senses and the material is also involved in the world and things and "business": wealth. So without really knowing this, Lennon just intuited that he was really "Maharishi" Mahesh Bhogi. The Bhogi Man. bhogin 2 mfn. (for 1. see col. 2) enjoying , eating Ma1rkP. Prasan3g. ; having or offering enjoyments , devoted to enjñenjoyments , wealthy , opulent MBh. Ya1jn5. Var. c. ; suffering , experiencing , undergoing Kap. ; using , possessing MW. ; m. a voluptuary MW. ; a king L. ; the head man of a village L. ; a barber L. ; = %{vaiyAvRtti-kara} (?) L. ; a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure W. ; N. of a prince VP. ; (%{inI}) f. a kind of heroine Bhar. ; the concubine of a king or a wife not regularly consecrated with him L. And MMY hasn't claimed to be a renunciate in many decades. He's explicitly called himself a householder, as I already pointed out. And he never took sanyasin vows. Even so, show me his personal wealth, or his deep pockets or his dozens of Rolls Royces, etc. The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
Ingegerd, IMHO, you are excatly on the money with that remark! Oh no, MMY is on the money! We're just onto his scam. Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. It is your attachment to material things and not Maharishi's that makes you think and say such things. You are the materialist Vaj, not 'MMB'. You are the one attached to books and quotes and crazy Zen masters and Ken Wilber and memes and dharma and yogic practices and the unfolding of enlightenment. So you can lay this stuff on Maharishi if you like...I just enjoy watching your reflection in everthing you say about him :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He just likes to see his name in lights Yes, he does... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 LOL. Rick's his usual smartass self, but he does make a good case in the last sentence: At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. If, as was suggested here, the price is low because he's so concerned, why isn't he concerned enough to offer the course for free, and in fact compensate the people who have to leave their jobs to participate? I guess he isn't *that* concerned... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: A friend, the crazed Zen master, Roshi Kobutsu Malone, gave me a copy of the recent book _The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant_ by John Riley Perks with the hope that I might want to interview him sometime. This is a great book, for me, one of those books you just can't put down, it's so captivating. It's the story of the Vidyadhara Chogyam Trungpa as told by his butler and heart disciple. It's been refused advertisement in most Buddhist magazines, esp. those associated with Trungpa's spiritual org, Shambhala. Needless to say, Shambhala Publications ( http://www.shambhala.com/ ) wouldn't publish it either, so it's been privately printed. For the record, Shambhala Publications is not formally associated with Trungpa's Shambhala organization, although it does publish his works. As a spiritual publisher, it's exceedingly eclectic and wide-ranging. However it's founder, Sam Bercholz, was a close student of Trungpa's and an acharya in that tradition. He has sold the business but IIRC is still on the Board and Editor-in-chief. The current owners have the same affiliations. However, as I said, Shambhala Publications is not an arm of Trungpa's Shambhala organization. That organization has its own publishing company, Vajradhatu Publications. Shambhala Publications, of course, is also Ken Wilber's publisher. Check the home page, the Category menu on the left, for an idea of the range of topics Shambhala covers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:52:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. And many young Iranians think that also. A theocracy based on the submission to God, especially the way that is interpreted by the masses, can be a very dangerous government for those that don't share it's opinions. Many young Iranians don't remember the Shah. There's a reason why the Ayatolla Khomeini, a nobody from London, could take over the country: the then-current ruler had gotten EVERYONE pissed off, all with US support. That the new government wasn't any better (worse?) than the old one isn't the point: At least he's OUR asshole as the saying goes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mainstream Publication inclusion of TM / Maharishi
I got my hands on a book being released by Springer Publishing Company, they deal with nursing, medical, psychology, social work, counseling, etc. This particular book is on complementary medicine for cancer. Lots of stuff on hypnosis and meditation. Just came across this passage: There are two primary approaches to meditation: concentrative meditation and mindful meditation. Concentrative meditation involves focusing on an image, a sound (called a mantra), or one�s own breathing. One form of concentrative meditation is transcendental meditation (TM), which was popularized in the United States in the 1970s by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Transcendental Meditation emphasizes the mind/body connection to create a state of deep rest, which along with heightened awareness, is experienced as �restful alertness.� With attention centered on a single image or a mantra, usually one word or a short phrase, individuals can reach profound states of calmness and steadiness of attention. The TM technique is a simple procedure practiced while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. As the body becomes deeply relaxed, the mind transcends all mental activity to experience the simplest form of awareness, Transcendental Consciousness. The experience of Transcendental Consciousness develops the individual's latent creative potential while dissolving accumulated stress and fatigue through the deep rest gained during meditative practice. This experience enlivens the individual's creativity, dynamism, and organization, which is proposed to lead to greater effectiveness and success in daily life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:04 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. It is your attachment to material things and not Maharishi's that makes you think and say such things. You are the materialist Vaj, not 'MMB'. You are the one attached to books and quotes and crazy Zen masters and Ken Wilber and memes and dharma and yogic practices and the unfolding of enlightenment. So you can lay this stuff on Maharishi if you like...I just enjoy watching your reflection in everthing you say about him :-) Enjoy your illusions do ya? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [Barry wrote:] Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. One wonders if this was around the time he started slapping his assumed name, Maharishi, on all the TMO product lines (e.g. Maharishi Ayurveda, etc.). Er, you mean back in 1971, with Maharishi International University? And MMY explained very carefully why that was done when he did it. It's a branding strategy. (Also, perhaps, a way of ensuring that Guru Dev isn't held responsible for anything MMY does that others don't approve of.) The original rationale was when MIU was first being discussed, the question arose: What do we call it. MMY said to name it the way you traditionally name things in the West, which would logically mean it would be named after him. He said he was initially opposed to the idea, but then it struck him: maharishi means great sage --someone who can teach others how to become rishis themselves. The purpose of Maharishi Initernational University is to create enlightened people who can make others enlightened. So he approved the name. The branding idea came later, but still has that core idea to it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:35 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. One wonders if this was around the time he started slapping his assumed name, Maharishi, on all the TMO product lines (e.g. Maharishi Ayurveda, etc.). Er, you mean back in 1971, with Maharishi International University? And MMY explained very carefully why that was done when he did it. I love people who speak without any knowledge of the subject matter. He makes excuses, it doesn't mean we have to buy into them. He just likes to see his name in lights: a university, various products, the world largest building, etc. etc., ad nauseam... Well, that sounds like projection to me. Sorta (actually completely) like: Gee, If *I* were to do those things, it would be because I'm an arrogant SOB who wants to see my name in lights, so it must be why MMY does it too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. Oh yeah, there's a cogent comment. Does he think they'll be eating and sleeping at the local county jail? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:04 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. It is your attachment to material things and not Maharishi's that makes you think and say such things. You are the materialist Vaj, not 'MMB'. You are the one attached to books and quotes and crazy Zen masters and Ken Wilber and memes and dharma and yogic practices and the unfolding of enlightenment. So you can lay this stuff on Maharishi if you like...I just enjoy watching your reflection in everthing you say about him :-) Enjoy your illusions do ya? You tell me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:38 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
to see the master
walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo
house
overlookin' the Himalayas.
Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh?
Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges.
Brick
and
concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple
labor and materials
were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one
could buy a
house like that in India for about 20k.
16,000 square feet is a VERY large house...
Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying?
Is it like: What's love got to do with it?
or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do
with
it?
Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything?
What's up with the house?
I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is
really attached to money, houses and things.'--how holy can he
be?
Not very.
And just how attached was Lennon to thse things?
Lennon didn't claim to be a renunciate, a rishi or a yogi.
It's really interesting because in yogic-speak there are two words
which are used to describe two diametrically opposed modes of being:
the yogi and the bhogi. The bhogi, the enjoyer of the senses and the
material is also involved in the world and things and business:
wealth. So without really knowing this, Lennon just intuited that he
was really Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi. The Bhogi Man.
bhogin
2 mfn. (for 1. see col. 2) enjoying , eating Ma1rkP. Prasan3g. ;
having or offering enjoyments , devoted to enjñenjoyments , wealthy ,
opulent MBh. Ya1jn5. Var. c. ; suffering , experiencing , undergoing
Kap. ; using , possessing MW. ; m. a voluptuary MW. ; a king L. ; the
head man of a village L. ; a barber L. ; = %{vaiyAvRtti-kara} (?)
L. ; a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure W. ; N.
of a prince VP. ; (%{inI}) f. a kind of heroine Bhar. ; the concubine
of a king or a wife not regularly consecrated with him L.
And MMY hasn't claimed to be a renunciate in many decades. He's
explicitly called himself
a householder, as I already pointed out. And he never took sanyasin
vows. Even so, show
me his personal wealth, or his deep pockets or his dozens of Rolls
Royces, etc.
The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged
Mahesh right on. MMB.
There are plenty of alternate definitions up there. I agree that this one could
fit: a person
who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 LOL. Rick's his usual smartass self, but he does make a good case in the last sentence: At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. If, as was suggested here, the price is low because he's so concerned, why isn't he concerned enough to offer the course for free, and in fact compensate the people who have to leave their jobs to participate? I guess he isn't *that* concerned... I misread that part originally, but which part of MMY's billions will pay for this course? The part earmarked for other stuff? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 LOL. Rick's his usual smartass self, but he does make a good case in the last sentence: At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. If, as was suggested here, the price is low because he's so concerned, why isn't he concerned enough to offer the course for free, and in fact compensate the people who have to leave their jobs to participate? I guess he isn't *that* concerned... To have the guru, any guru, pay for the course would be contrary to the natural order of things. The course is specifically for the seeker. To gain reward from the course, the seeker must pay something. It is just the way it is, and non-specific to TM or MMY or any other valid method of spiritual instruction. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. It happened about 3 years ago when he changed the price structure up to $2500, and a bunch of TM teachers said I dont wanna so MMY said Hey, it's MY technique, not yours, so *I* get to set the price. He STILL refers to Gurudev constantly, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:04 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. It is your attachment to material things and not Maharishi's that makes you think and say such things. You are the materialist Vaj, not 'MMB'. You are the one attached to books and quotes and crazy Zen masters and Ken Wilber and memes and dharma and yogic practices and the unfolding of enlightenment. So you can lay this stuff on Maharishi if you like...I just enjoy watching your reflection in everthing you say about him :-) Enjoy your illusions do ya? Don't we all? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mainstream Publication inclusion of TM / Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got my hands on a book being released by Springer Publishing Company, they deal with nursing, medical, psychology, social work, counseling, etc. This particular book is on complementary medicine for cancer. Lots of stuff on hypnosis and meditation. Just came across this passage: There are two primary approaches to meditation: concentrative meditation and mindful meditation. Concentrative meditation involves focusing on an image, a sound (called a mantra), or one�s own breathing. One form of concentrative meditation is transcendental meditation (TM), which was popularized in the United States in the 1970s by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Transcendental Meditation emphasizes the mind/body connection to create a state of deep rest, which along with heightened awareness, is experienced as �restful alertness.� With attention centered on a single image or a mantra, usually one word or a short phrase, individuals can reach profound states of calmness and steadiness of attention. The TM technique is a simple procedure practiced while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. As the body becomes deeply relaxed, the mind transcends all mental activity to experience the simplest form of awareness, Transcendental Consciousness. The experience of Transcendental Consciousness develops the individual's latent creative potential while dissolving accumulated stress and fatigue through the deep rest gained during meditative practice. This experience enlivens the individual's creativity, dynamism, and organization, which is proposed to lead to greater effectiveness and success in daily life. Of course, TM isn't concentration. And the small bit of phsyiological research on EEG suggests its nothing like TM, but whatever... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. Oh yeah, there's a cogent comment. Does he think they'll be eating and sleeping at the local county jail? Probably not, but they will be hearing alot about the importance of building 'proper vastu', I'll bet. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 LOL. Rick's his usual smartass self, but he does make a good case in the last sentence: At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. If, as was suggested here, the price is low because he's so concerned, why isn't he concerned enough to offer the course for free, and in fact compensate the people who have to leave their jobs to participate? I guess he isn't *that* concerned... To have the guru, any guru, pay for the course would be contrary to the natural order of things. The course is specifically for the seeker. To gain reward from the course, the seeker must pay something. It is just the way it is, and non-specific to TM or MMY or any other valid method of spiritual instruction. There's also the old thing about how paying for something makes it more important. If they offered it for free, instead of at cost, they'ed run the risk of people looking for a paid vacation who wouldn't bother participating in the Yogic Flying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mainstream Publication inclusion of TM / Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead heshiepothead@ wrote: I got my hands on a book being released by Springer Publishing Company, they deal with nursing, medical, psychology, social work, counseling, etc. This particular book is on complementary medicine for cancer. Lots of stuff on hypnosis and meditation. Just came across this passage: There are two primary approaches to meditation: concentrative meditation and mindful meditation. Concentrative meditation involves focusing on an image, a sound (called a mantra), or one�s own breathing. One form of concentrative meditation is transcendental meditation (TM), which was popularized in the United States in the 1970s by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Transcendental Meditation emphasizes the mind/body connection to create a state of deep rest, which along with heightened awareness, is experienced as �restful alertness.� With attention centered on a single image or a mantra, usually one word or a short phrase, individuals can reach profound states of calmness and steadiness of attention. The TM technique is a simple procedure practiced while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. As the body becomes deeply relaxed, the mind transcends all mental activity to experience the simplest form of awareness, Transcendental Consciousness. The experience of Transcendental Consciousness develops the individual's latent creative potential while dissolving accumulated stress and fatigue through the deep rest gained during meditative practice. This experience enlivens the individual's creativity, dynamism, and organization, which is proposed to lead to greater effectiveness and success in daily life. Of course, TM isn't concentration. And the small bit of phsyiological research on EEG suggests its nothing like TM, but whatever... The EEG research on hypnosis suggests its nothing like TM... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:34 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:38 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:29 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: to see the master walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo house overlookin' the Himalayas."Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh?Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick and concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple labor and materials were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one could buy a house like that in India for about 20k. 16,000 square feet is a VERY large house...Yeah, so, I'm not sure, I get what you're saying? Is it like: "What's love got to do with it?" or something like 'what's a big house on the Ganges, got to do with it? Still not sure what having a big house has to do with anything? What's up with the house?I think the idea expressed in Lennon's song was, 'wow this guy is really attached to money, houses and "things".'--how "holy" can he be? Not very. And just how attached was Lennon to thse things? Lennon didn't claim to be a renunciate, a rishi or a yogi. It's really interesting because in yogic-speak there are two words which are used to describe two diametrically opposed modes of being: the yogi and the bhogi. The bhogi, the enjoyer of the senses and the material is also involved in the world and things and "business": wealth. So without really knowing this, Lennon just intuited that he was really "Maharishi" Mahesh Bhogi. The Bhogi Man. bhogin 2 mfn. (for 1. see col. 2) enjoying , eating Ma1rkP. Prasan3g. ; having or offering enjoyments , devoted to enjñenjoyments , wealthy , opulent MBh. Ya1jn5. Var. c. ; suffering , experiencing , undergoing Kap. ; using , possessing MW. ; m. a voluptuary MW. ; a king L. ; the head man of a village L. ; a barber L. ; = %{vaiyAvRtti-kara} (?) L. ; a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure W. ; N. of a prince VP. ; (%{inI}) f. a kind of heroine Bhar. ; the concubine of a king or a wife not regularly consecrated with him L.And MMY hasn't claimed to be a renunciate in many decades. He's explicitly called himself a householder, as I already pointed out. And he never took sanyasin vows. Even so, show me his personal wealth, or his deep pockets or his dozens of Rolls Royces, etc. The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. There are plenty of alternate definitions up there. I agree that this one could fit: "a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure." I would say "enjoying...having enjoyments, wealthy, opulent, using, possessing" also are spot on."Mahesh has been interested in power, in the accumulation of money, and in women. Why does he live in a big house, own helicopters, airplanes, etc? Why does he spend most of his time involved in business planning about making money? It is because he is a businessman who has the desires that other wealthy businessmen have. His spiritual front is his scam and the way he gets people to give him their time and money."-Earl Kaplan, former close MMB associate and donor.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
Interesting to see it's an old pattern, but I guess I'm not surprised.On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Ingegerd wrote:MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:38 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:04 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. It is your attachment to material things and not Maharishi's that makes you think and say such things. You are the materialist Vaj, not 'MMB'. You are the one attached to books and quotes and crazy Zen masters and Ken Wilber and memes and dharma and yogic practices and the unfolding of enlightenment. So you can lay this stuff on Maharishi if you like...I just enjoy watching your reflection in everthing you say about him :-) Enjoy your illusions do ya? Don't we all? Depends on the illusion. Some are unbearable, like bhogis posing as yogis and are best shattered. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. Oh yeah, there's a cogent comment. Does he think they'll be eating and sleeping at the local county jail? No, per the present plan, they'll be eating for 30 bucks a day and sleeping on someone's sofa. All while giving up their paychecks from work for two months. :-) But here's a riddle for you. I remember in the past that you've been a big proponent of the the TMO can't spend its capital because it needs it for the future. So explain this to me -- Maharishi's doing the Big Fear Trip again, implying that if people don't flock to this course, at their expense (albeit less expensive than some courses in the past), Dire Things are going to happen to the world. Did I get that right? Ok, so here's the quandary: if the times are so tough that there may not *BE* a future, what is the purpose of all those billions the TMO has stashed away? Seems to me that if *HE* believed the stuff he's saying, he'd have made some of that money available to make the room and board of this course free, and in fact offer to make up for at least a portion of the participants' salary. Do the math -- if we're talking a total of 3000 siddhas, at a cost of $30 a day for food, add in another $70 a day for housing, and compensate each of them who has to leave a job (say 60%, because many may be married and unworking or retired or well-to-do), say, %3000 a month for lost salary, that comes to a grand total of $1,380,000. One could make the case for that being a drop in the bucket compared to the billions that the TMO is reputed to have as assets. One could also make the case that this drop in the bucket might be worth spending if the situation is as dire as he implies, and the very future of the planet is at stake. Or one could make the people who have been paying for such emergency courses for decades do so again. Oh, what's a person who really cares about world peace to do? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 LOL. Rick's his usual smartass self, but he does make a good case in the last sentence: At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. If, as was suggested here, the price is low because he's so concerned, why isn't he concerned enough to offer the course for free, and in fact compensate the people who have to leave their jobs to participate? I guess he isn't *that* concerned... To have the guru, any guru, pay for the course would be contrary to the natural order of things. The course is specifically for the seeker. To gain reward from the course, the seeker must pay something. It is just the way it is, and non-specific to TM or MMY or any other valid method of spiritual instruction. Jim, I love you dearly, but really, dude, you make a lot of assumptions about and excuses for a man you've never met. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they offered it for free, instead of at cost, they'ed run the risk of people looking for a paid vacation who wouldn't bother participating in the Yogic Flying. Don't be ridiculous; this is the TM movement. The first time anyone skipped a butt-bouncing session, the Mind Police would report them and they'd be on their way back home in an instant. Good shuck and jive routine, though. Now see how well you do with the quandary I posed in a followup post to the one you're replying to... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:38 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:04 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip The point is, there's a yogi and there's a bhogi. Lennon pegged Mahesh right on. MMB. It is your attachment to material things and not Maharishi's that makes you think and say such things. You are the materialist Vaj, not 'MMB'. You are the one attached to books and quotes and crazy Zen masters and Ken Wilber and memes and dharma and yogic practices and the unfolding of enlightenment. So you can lay this stuff on Maharishi if you like...I just enjoy watching your reflection in everthing you say about him :-) Enjoy your illusions do ya? Don't we all? Depends on the illusion. Some are unbearable, like bhogis posing as yogis and are best shattered. Agreed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahasiddha and his Idiot Servant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Needless to say, Shambhala Publications ( http://www.shambhala.com/ ) wouldn't publish it either, so it's been privately printed. I don't see why. It's not about guru bashing but an intimate insight into one of the most controversial and influential mahasiddhas of the last century. Of course, after the demise of Trungpa, it's also not surprising that the new org wants to whitewash and sanitize his image and bio. This book is a thorn they're anxious to avoid. From the excerpt Shambhala Publications provides of the beginning of the introduction to Trungpa's wife's forthcoming biography of him: Over the Christmas holidays, I went to St. George's Hall to attend a rally for the liberation of Tibet, sponsored by the Buddhist Society. The program went on for several hoursOne of the last speakers on the schedule was Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, who appeared on stage in the maroon and saffron robes of a Tibetan monk. I looked up at him from the audience, and much to my amazement, I felt an immediate and intense connection. Before he could say anything, however, he collapsed and was carried off stage. We were told that Rinpoche had taken ill, but I imagine that alcohol may have been involved. Yessirree bob, Shambhala Publications is clearly intent on whitewashing and sanitizing Trungpa's image. snort There can be many reasons why a publisher doesn't publish a particular book other than its being a thorn they're anxious to avoid. This personal biography by Trungpa's wife is coming out in October, and Shambhala Publications may not have wanted to publish two different intimate personal accounts of Trungpa's life close together, especially when one of them is by his wife. An excerpt from Shambhala's preview of the book reinforces the suspicion that his wife doesn't shy away from talking about his various quirks and idiosyncrasies: Among Asian masters living and teaching in the West, Trungpa was known for having an unorthodox and unpredictable teaching style--and for leading an unconventional personal life. In Dragon Thunder, the reader gets an intimate look at this compelling and enigmatic figure through the eyes of his wife of seventeen years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. Oh yeah, there's a cogent comment. Does he think they'll be eating and sleeping at the local county jail? No, per the present plan, they'll be eating for 30 bucks a day and sleeping on someone's sofa. All while giving up their paychecks from work for two months. :-) This will appeal to some, and they will get tremendous benefit from it. But here's a riddle for you. I remember in the past that you've been a big proponent of the the TMO can't spend its capital because it needs it for the future. So explain this to me -- Maharishi's doing the Big Fear Trip again, implying that if people don't flock to this course, at their expense (albeit less expensive than some courses in the past), Dire Things are going to happen to the world. Did I get that right? Yes. Ok, so here's the quandary: if the times are so tough that there may not *BE* a future, what is the purpose of all those billions the TMO has stashed away? The TMO has always struck me as being poor. Seems to me that if *HE* believed the stuff he's saying, he'd have made some of that money available to make the room and board of this course free, He can't. Its impossible. and in fact offer to make up for at least a portion of the participants' salary. Do the math -- if we're talking a total of 3000 siddhas, at a cost of $30 a day for food, add in another $70 a day for housing, and compensate each of them who has to leave a job (say 60%, because many may be married and unworking or retired or well-to-do), say, %3000 a month for lost salary, that comes to a grand total of $1,380,000. One could make the case for that being a drop in the bucket compared to the billions that the TMO is reputed to have as assets. One could also make the case that this drop in the bucket might be worth spending if the situation is as dire as he implies, and the very future of the planet is at stake. The situation IS dire...for seekers. Or one could make the people who have been paying for such emergency courses for decades do so again. Oh, what's a person who really cares about world peace to do? Meditate and gain Self-Realization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:34 AM, sparaig wrote: snip There are plenty of alternate definitions up there. I agree that this one could fit: a person who accumulates money for a partic. expenditure. I would say enjoying...having enjoyments, wealthy, opulent, using, possessing also are spot on. None of which are incompatible with being a yogi rather than a bhogi, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 LOL. Rick's his usual smartass self, but he does make a good case in the last sentence: At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. If, as was suggested here, the price is low because he's so concerned, why isn't he concerned enough to offer the course for free, and in fact compensate the people who have to leave their jobs to participate? I guess he isn't *that* concerned... To have the guru, any guru, pay for the course would be contrary to the natural order of things. The course is specifically for the seeker. To gain reward from the course, the seeker must pay something. It is just the way it is, and non-specific to TM or MMY or any other valid method of spiritual instruction. Jim, I love you dearly, but really, dude, you make a lot of assumptions about and excuses for a man you've never met. :-) Hi, the only assumption I make is that TM is a valid method of spiritual instruction, meaning that if practiced as instructed, the practitioner will gain Self-Realization quickly. Other than that, with reference to what I said above with regards to payment, I was speaking about all such methods of valid spiritual instruction, TM or non-TM. Really has nothing to do with Maharishi, other than he teaches a valid method of spiritual instruction. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? I am a bit sceptical about what MMY says and has written these days - I rather listen to a Guru who is innocent without 5-6 billions Dollars in the bank. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. It happened about 3 years ago when he changed the price structure up to $2500, and a bunch of TM teachers said I dont wanna so MMY said Hey, it's MY technique, not yours, so *I* get to set the price. He STILL refers to Gurudev constantly, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But here's a riddle for you. I remember in the past that you've been a big proponent of the the TMO can't spend its capital because it needs it for the future. So explain this to me -- Maharishi's doing the Big Fear Trip again, implying that if people don't flock to this course, at their expense (albeit less expensive than some courses in the past), Dire Things are going to happen to the world. Did I get that right? Ok, so here's the quandary: if the times are so tough that there may not *BE* a future, what is the purpose of all those billions the TMO has stashed away? Did MMY say anything about there not *being* a future? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:52:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. And many young Iranians think that also. A theocracy based on the submission to God, especially the way that is interpreted by the masses, can be a very dangerous government for those that don't share it's opinions. Gee, we agree on something for a change. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:52:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. And many young Iranians think that also. A theocracy based on the submission to God, especially the way that is interpreted by the masses, can be a very dangerous government for those that don't share it's opinions. Many young Iranians don't remember the Shah. There's a reason why the Ayatolla Khomeini, a nobody from London, could take over the country: the then-current ruler had gotten EVERYONE pissed off, all with US support. That the new government wasn't any better (worse?) than the old one isn't the point: At least he's OUR asshole as the saying goes. From what I recall the young Iranians were students at that time who either wanted Democracy or Socialism. They did not want a theocracy nor a dictatorship. I saw a pretty good Iranian expatriate film on the subject a couple years ago. BTW, we have many expatriate Iranians here in the Bay Area. They tell me because the climate and geography is like Iran. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
The World and the TM-Teachers and the Sidhas has been so generous to MMY through all the years - made it available to collect 5-6 billions Dollars. MMY has said over and over again that if you give something - you will get a good Karma. I think it would be wise of MMY to give a gift to the TM-Teachers and Sidhas, let the course be free and pay whatever they loose in work salary - it might give him a good Karma - I think he will need it. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. Oh yeah, there's a cogent comment. Does he think they'll be eating and sleeping at the local county jail? No, per the present plan, they'll be eating for 30 bucks a day and sleeping on someone's sofa. All while giving up their paychecks from work for two months. :-) This will appeal to some, and they will get tremendous benefit from it. But here's a riddle for you. I remember in the past that you've been a big proponent of the the TMO can't spend its capital because it needs it for the future. So explain this to me -- Maharishi's doing the Big Fear Trip again, implying that if people don't flock to this course, at their expense (albeit less expensive than some courses in the past), Dire Things are going to happen to the world. Did I get that right? Yes. Ok, so here's the quandary: if the times are so tough that there may not *BE* a future, what is the purpose of all those billions the TMO has stashed away? The TMO has always struck me as being poor. Seems to me that if *HE* believed the stuff he's saying, he'd have made some of that money available to make the room and board of this course free, He can't. Its impossible. and in fact offer to make up for at least a portion of the participants' salary. Do the math -- if we're talking a total of 3000 siddhas, at a cost of $30 a day for food, add in another $70 a day for housing, and compensate each of them who has to leave a job (say 60%, because many may be married and unworking or retired or well-to-do), say, %3000 a month for lost salary, that comes to a grand total of $1,380,000. One could make the case for that being a drop in the bucket compared to the billions that the TMO is reputed to have as assets. One could also make the case that this drop in the bucket might be worth spending if the situation is as dire as he implies, and the very future of the planet is at stake. The situation IS dire...for seekers. Or one could make the people who have been paying for such emergency courses for decades do so again. Oh, what's a person who really cares about world peace to do? Meditate and gain Self-Realization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If, as was suggested here, the price is low Just as a yardstick to measure low price with, until recently I was signed up for a week-long in-residence satsang retreat. I've had to cancel because some conflicting appointments have come up (damn! the French bureaucracy!), but the cost for the whole course -- room, board, yoga classes each morning and several satsang sessions a day, conducted by the teacher herself (read, not on videotape or via a video feed) -- came to 270 Euros ($342, at today's exchange rate). That's $48.85 a day, for a private room (as opposed to sleeping on someone's sofa). Why is it so cheap? Because the teacher in question wants it that way, and isn't making a profit... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? I am a bit sceptical about what MMY says and has written these days - I rather listen to a Guru who is innocent without 5-6 billions Dollars in the bank. Ingegerd Which bank is that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
