[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly the map is different than the territory. The barest of information, enough to quide and inspire. How else can the non-dual descriptions be reconciled with what MMY says. He left much out by necessity, and for other reasons, and many still accept the map as the territory. Many don't anymore. Another point to add is that the map was initially comprehanded in waking state with all the implicit waking state limitations that one is necessarily oblivious to in waking state. Then there is a certain experience of Realization (stable or not) and the waking state map fits to a certain extent but not perfectly. Other traditions/gurus can offer conceptual tools that help make sense out of the experience. Buddha's and Adi Shankara's enlightenment are the same, but they articulate it in different ways. In my own experience I have found Buddha, initially, and later Ramana Maharishi (and Gangaji) extremely helpful in understanding what's going on. SSRS is there to carrot and stick me! The same folks for me along with Nasargardatta, Wilber, Merrill-Wolfe, Atma-Boda (Shankara) and others. Then I went back and listened to all of Maharishi's audio tapes (that I had in the Blue Cases) to see if he covered the dualistic - nondual misconceptions. He did, but only briefly. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/21/06 9:26 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what is so funny. You experience something. Probably grand. However you interpret in a particular way that what you experience is TMO/ MMY BC. Yet you have never discussed your experience with MMY. Or even with someone, or many, from what i can tell, who have. Is this essential? As a friend of mine put it, ³you¹re the only one at your graduation.² When your experience is mature and genuine, you don¹t need anyone¹s confirmation. I observe that people in higher states use MMY¹s terminology when it most effectively expresses what they are trying to say, and are equally comfortable quoting Nisargadatta, Ramana Maharishi, Eckhart Tolle, Donald Duck, or making up something new if that more effectively suits their purpose. Maybe Maharishi isn't fully convinced about the physiological correlates either. Otherwise he would get wired up and provide a baseline to speed up the research. Maybe that's the same reason there isn't a large established pundit or flying group... Not sure if it will work. What state of consciousness would the resarchers be measuring? One test-subject does not a baseline make. True enough, from either way you look at it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Major states of consciousness may have 6 billion different flavors, but there are consistent features found in just about all 6 billion variations of the themes. Has Fred published much on this? On waking, dreaming and sleeping states? He started his career as a basic sleep researcher, BTW, but he apparently only published one sleep paper before returning to MUM. He did his PhD work at MIU around 1981 I think. BTW, the thalamus stuff is unpublished as yet. He's just been looking at all the brain imaging of TMers that he can find and sure enough He and Kieth Wallace proposed the mechanism back in paper #9 in 1999 and he presented his recent investigation on brain imaging at this year's Tucson Consciousness convention: http://www.maharishischooliowa.org/news/media/2006_05_travispaper.html On the TC/CC side of things, he's published quite a bit: mdeline search keyword: travis f http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=searchDB=pubmed Travis F, Arenander A, DuBois D.Related Articles, Links Psychological and physiological characteristics of a proposed object-referral/self- referral continuum of self-awareness. Conscious Cogn. 2004 Jun;13(2):401-20. PMID: 15134768 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 2: Travis F, Arenander A. Related Articles, Links EEG asymmetry and mindfulness meditation. Psychosom Med. 2004 Jan-Feb;66(1):147-8; author reply 147-8. No abstract available. PMID: 14747649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Travis F, Tecce J, Arenander A, Wallace RK. Related Articles, Links Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative variation characterize the integration of transcendental and waking states. Biol Psychol. 2002 Nov;61(3):293-319. PMID: 12406612 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Travis F. Related Articles, Links Autonomic and EEG patterns distinguish transcending from other experiences during Transcendental Meditation practice. Int J Psychophysiol. 2001 Aug;42(1):1-9. PMID: 11451476 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: Travis F, Olson T, Egenes T, Gupta HK. Related Articles, Links Physiological patterns during practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique compared with patterns while reading Sanskrit and a modern language. Int J Neurosci. 2001 Jul;109(1-2):71-80. PMID: 11699342 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 6: Travis F, Tecce JJ, Guttman J. Related Articles, Links Cortical plasticity, contingent negative variation, and transcendent experiences during practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique. Biol Psychol. 2000 Nov;55(1):41-55. PMID: 11099807 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 8: Travis F, Pearson C.Related Articles, Links Pure consciousness: distinct phenomenological and physiological correlates of consciousness itself. Int J Neurosci. 2000;100(1-4):77-89. PMID: 10512549 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 9: Travis F, Wallace RK. Related Articles, Links Autonomic and EEG patterns during eyes-closed rest and transcendental meditation (TM) practice: the basis for a neural model of TM practice. Conscious Cogn. 1999 Sep;8(3):302-18. PMID: 10487785 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 10: Travis F, Pearson C.Related Articles, Links Pure Consciousness: Distinct Phenomenological and Physiological Correlates of Consciousness Itself Int J Neurosci. 1999 Jan;100(1-4):77-89. PMID: 10938552 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] 13: Mason LI, Alexander CN, Travis FT, Marsh G, Orme-Johnson DW, Gackenbach J, Mason DC, Rainforth M, Walton KG. Related Articles, Links Electrophysiological correlates of higher states of consciousness during sleep in long-term practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program. Sleep. 1997 Feb;20(2):102-10. PMID: 9143069 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 14: Travis F, Wallace RK. Related Articles, Links Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: possible markers of Transcendental Consciousness. Psychophysiology. 1997 Jan;34(1):39-46. PMID: 9009807 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: You are getting sucked into the conventional wisdom regarding how to measure stuff like consciousness. i am not getting sucked into anything. I have not stated my views. I am simply pointing out that the TMO and MMY has a cleary different view than you on the physiological correlates of higher states, and what those higher states are -- and their manifest attributes in the physiology of the liberated one. MMY also? Are you sure of that? While each state of awareness is physiologically distinct, I am not convinced each can be measured by today's scientific instruments. Clearly you are not. MMY and the TMO clearly are. Again, MMY also? You cannot prove that. Her appears to converge towards the instruments, but has never stated unequivocally that higher states can be measured with today's instruments. Don't know about today's instruments, but Fred T. seems to believe that there are some clearcut physical changes that can be measured, and that these changes explain things pretty nicely. Here's the clearest statement by MMY that I am aware of concerning this topic . I found it as a quote in one of the early SIMS/IMS publications: Spiritual and Material Values Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable. -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi What is fun is that you can actually SEE the possible correlation between MMY's description Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase, and what is found in standard physiology textbooks. If Fred is correct about the thalamus issue, then the normal waking/dreamingfunctioning where sensory input of some kind is always going on has been sidestepped--literally. There are an amzing number of connections in the brain between virtually all parts of the brain, but the activity of these connections may well be secondary to sensory input--except during samadhi/TC. Here's a standard diagram showing a few of the main connections of the parts of the brain, aside from the sense- related ones: http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus751.html In samadhi every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase... In CC, this is integrated with normal awareness. This is an asinine comment, but it is an extremely complex subject! It's not as simple as it first appears. What isn't as simple as it first appears? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/21/06 10:17 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it lacks integrity to claim an awakening of ones own defitinion is in fact TMO style enlightenment. Maharishi necessarily generalized in describing these states. He has been heard to say that everyone¹s enlightenment has a different flavor. Just as dreaming and sleeping and waking states do. Thre's some pretty clearcut common features though, found in just about everyone except those with what are usually called pathologies. For instance, during the dreaming state, not only does the thalamus not accept outside input, but the part of the brain responsible for voluntary movement tends to shut down as well. When it doesn't, you get sleepwalking, and other abnormal acting out of your dreams. Actually, sleepwalking occurs in sleep state. What you're talking about is REM behavior disorder that occurs during dream state where the brain fails to block the motor impulses and the muscles fire based on the dream content. It's a very serious disorder and often found along with narcolepsy where a person enters dream state for several minutes directly from waking state usually triggered by a strong emotion. Thanks for the correction, but the voluntary motor areas are usually shut down during sleeping/dreaming states except in pathological cases right? That's my main point: there are sets of very common physiological correlates for the major states of consciousness, and just about everyone shows them except people with pathological conditions. By extension, you would expect this kind of thing (common set of correlates) for people in samadhi if samadhi (TC) really is a major state of consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Maybe Maharishi isn't fully convinced about the physiological correlates either. Otherwise he would get wired up and provide a baseline to speed up the research. Physiological correlates would only relate to conditions of the mind. And there are many, many conditions of the mind from gross to very, very subtle. But I don't know if any physiological correlate of Realization will ever be established. Consciousness is outside of time and space. The mind can not quantify it; measure it. From the perspective of the mind, pure consciousness is absolutely nothing; emptiness; death; annihilation. Perhaps the best that could be done would be the impact on brain function of that Realization. But would there be a common EEG signature for all brains? I don't know. Right now I doubt it. It would be interesting to take MMY, Amma and SSRS and look at the similarities and disimilarities of their brain functioning. I'm curious what Fred Travis has come up with correlating specific enlightenment experiences with EEG function on the TM path (because I'm sure it would vary depending upon the path/techniques). Even if Fred used others, he would have to depend on the grokking of MMY, Amma, and SSRS or someone to give the nod to the folks used to establish the baseline signature. Have to start somewhere. Actually, Fred asked for volunteers who were reporting long-term 24/7 witnessing. He interviewed them and found correlations between how they reported their internal perception of self and their EEG and other physiological measures: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Can't help comparing Earl's question to MMY about why he doesn't establish a group, when I think about this The EEG stuff is good PR and grant getting material. Again, which state? And, while perhaps I misremember the original letter, my recollection is that Kaplan reported MMY as saying there is no evidence that what you say would happen would happen. Kaplan took this to be referring to the ME. I took it to be referring to financial support from a grateful world... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hmmm... saMdhi samaadhi
(Just killing time, waiting for the stock market to open...)
saMdhi m. putting together, junction, connection; union or
intercourse with (instr.); compact, agreement, alliance, peace
between (gen.), with (instr. {ñsaha}); joint, commissure, suture,
fold; anything that joins or lies between, as dawn, dusk, twilight
(between day and night), wall (between two rooms), also interval,
pause, opening, hole, breach, gap; euphonic combination of words and
sentences (g.).
samAdhi m. putting together, conjunction, union, a whole;
performation, accomplishment, arrangement, reconcilement; attention,
meditation, devotion.
As we can see, the basic meaning of saMdhi (pronounce ~ sund-he)
and samaadhi is the same, 'putting together'. The difference
between these words is that samaadhi contains an additional
prefix, or in this case perhaps rather infix, namely aa.
The difference in the pronunciation of 'm' in these words is
due to, well, sandhi (sam + dhi; sam + aa + dhi)!
(Because in the word saMdhi 'dh' is a dental sound,
its dentality is anticipated, so to speak, in the pronunciation
of sam and this is why the 'm' in sam is changed, in
*pronunciation* - and in sloppy devanaagarii writing, too, I guess -
to dental nasal 'n'.)
According to Macdonell, as a verbal prefix aa reverses the
meaning of verbs of giving and going. Doesn't help very much,
does it? As a wild guess, perhaps the 'aa' in samaadhi implies,
that the putting together (yoga) happens from inside out, or
stuff... :0
yoga m. (1. %{yuj} ; ifc. f. %{A}) the act of yoking , joining ,
attaching , harnessing , putting to (of horses) RV. MBh. ; a yoke ,
team , vehicle , conveyance S3Br. Kaus3. MBh. ; employment , use ,
application , performance RV. c. c. ; equipping or arraying (of an
army) MBh. ; fixing (of an arrow on the bow-string) ib. ; putting on
(of armour) L. ; a remedy , cure Sus3r. ; a means , expedient ,
device , way , manner , method MBh. Ka1v. c. ; a supernatural
means , charm , incantation , magical art ib. ; a trick , stratagem ,
fraud , deceit Mn. Katha1s. (cf. %{yoga-nanda}) ; undertaking ,
business , work RV. AV. TS. ; acquisition , gain , profit , wealth ,
property ib. Kaus3. MBh. ; occasion , opportunity Ka1m. Ma1rkP. ; any
junction , union , combination , contact with (instr. with or without
%{saha} , or comp.). MBh. Ka1v. c. (%{yogam} %{i} , to agree ,
consent , acquiesce in anything R.) ; mixing of various materials ,
mixture MBh. R. VarBr2S. ; partaking of , possessing (instr. or
comp.) Mn. R. Hariv. ; connection , relation (%{yogAt} , %{yogena}
and %{yoga-tas} ifc. in consequence of , on account of , by reason
of , according to , through) Ka1tyS3r. S3vetUp. Mn. c. ; putting
together , arrangement , disposition , regular succession Ka1t2h.
[856,3] S3rS. ; fitting together , fitness , propriety , suitability
(%{yogena} and %{yoga-tas} ind. suitably , fitly , duly , in the
right manner) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; exertion , endeavour , zeal ,
diligence , industry , care , attention (%{yoga-tas} ind.
strenuously , assiduously ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] , with all one's
powers , with overflowing zeal) Mn. MBh. c. ; application or
concentration of the thoughts , abstract contemplation , meditation ,
(esp.) self-concentration , abstract meditation and mental
abstraction practised as a system (as taught by Patan5jali and called
the Yoga philosophy ; it is the second of the two Sa1m2khya systems ,
its chief aim being to teach the means by which the human spirit may
attain complete union with I7s3vara or the Supreme Spirit ; in the
practice of self-concentration it is closely connected with Buddhism)
Up. MBh. Ka1v. c. (IW. 92) ; any simple act or rite conducive to
Yoga or abstract meditation Sarvad. ; Yoga personified (as the son of
Dharma and Kriya1) BhP. ; a follower of the Yoga system MBh.
S3am2k. ; (in Sa1m2khya) the union of soul with matter (one of the 10
Mu1lika7rtha1s or radical facts) Tattvas. ; (with Pa1s3upatas) the
union of the individual soul with the universal soul Kula7rn2. ;
(with Pa1n5cara1tras) devotion , pious seeking after God Sarvad. ;
(with Jainas) contact or mixing with the outer world ib. ; (in
astron.) conjunction , lucky conjuncture La1t2y. VarBr2S. MBh. c. ;
a constellation , asterism (these , with the moon , are called %
{cAndra-yogAH} and are 13 in number ; without the moon they are
called %{kha-yogAH} , or %{nAbhasa-yogAH}) VarBr2S. ; the leading or
principal star of a lunar asterism W. ; N. of a variable division of
time (during which the joint motion in longitude of the sun and moon
amounts to 13 degrees 20 minutes ; there are 27 such Yogas beginning
with Vishkambha and ending with Vaidhr2iti) ib. ; (in arithm.)
addition , sum , total Su1ryas. MBh. ; (in gram.) the connection of
words together , syntactical dependence of a word , construction Nir.
Sus3r. (ifc. = dependent on , ruled by Pa1n2. 2-2 , 8 Va1rtt. 1) ; a
combined or concentrated grammatical rule or aphorism
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
It is, as anything else an individual decision. You, and everyone else decide for yourself what you will do, where you will go or not, whether you will go in the dome or not, whether you will trust and follow your teacher, who gave us such a tremendously great knowledge. Do we really understand what he has given us? It all goes naturally, everything goes naturally, there is no reason to worry about it. Don`t wait for anyone else to be more perfect, butdecide for yourself to become more perfect, and thenthe environment will be more perfect, too. Decide what you want, and enjoy in that freedom of choice. If you want to come in the dome, then come. Drop by drop, the ocean will be full.dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, a defender of the faith. Thanks for coming out. It is good to have the more purist take also here. Ken, I posted a question the other day and there were really no takers. Could you take a try?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/109126what say the tru-believer reading the list?Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domessee it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking forthem? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring asignificant number back?-Doug in FF--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that. Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that, but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome in this important time in world history. People who wants to do good will not think like that. Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason, and should come and do good for the world, not thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for his existence. Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or something?). Next you'll be telling us that the pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital fops that have ruined the movement with there sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an original thought. The greatest irony is that you are MMY's curse and you don't even know it. ..., Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Maybe Maharishi isn't fully convinced about the physiological correlates either. Otherwise he would get wired up and provide a baseline to speed up the research. Physiological correlates would only relate to conditions of the mind. And there are many, many conditions of the mind from gross to very, very subtle. But I don't know if any physiological correlate of Realization will ever be established. Consciousness is outside of time and space. The mind can not quantify it; measure it. From the perspective of the mind, pure consciousness is absolutely nothing; emptiness; death; annihilation. Perhaps the best that could be done would be the impact on brain function of that Realization. But would there be a common EEG signature for all brains? I don't know. Right now I doubt it. It would be interesting to take MMY, Amma and SSRS and look at the similarities and disimilarities of their brain functioning. I'm curious what Fred Travis has come up with correlating specific enlightenment experiences with EEG function on the TM path (because I'm sure it would vary depending upon the path/techniques). Even if Fred used others, he would have to depend on the grokking of MMY, Amma, and SSRS or someone to give the nod to the folks used to establish the baseline signature. Have to start somewhere. Actually, Fred asked for volunteers who were reporting long-term 24/7 witnessing. He interviewed them and found correlations between how they reported their internal perception of self and their EEG and other physiological measures: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Can't help comparing Earl's question to MMY about why he doesn't establish a group, when I think about this The EEG stuff is good PR and grant getting material. Again, which state? And, while perhaps I misremember the original letter, my recollection is that Kaplan reported MMY as saying there is no evidence that what you say would happen would happen. Kaplan took this to be referring to the ME. I took it to be referring to financial support from a grateful world... Anything CC or above would be satisfactory for measurement puposes if they were looking for 'stable' patterns . This version of my story really starts about three years ago. I was sitting with Maharishi privately, because at the time I had an open invitation to come to Vlodrop and sit with Mahesh whenever I wanted to. At that time I knew that Mahesh had many tens of millions of dollars, the money he needed to create a 10,000 group. He was talking about building big buildings, buying airlines, etc. etc. I said, Maharishi, since you have the money and supposedly you have enough pundits, why don't you create a 10,000 group in India and then the world will experience peace and the TM movement will gain great support of the laws of nature and our other activities will work out. Mahesh looked at me like I was crazy and said Earl, if we created the group then we don't know if it would create world peace or not. We would have to have the group and then see what the effect it has. Earl Kaplans Letter 04/16/2004 Both Earl and Maharishi refer to creating world peace not wether the the world would support it finacially after the fact. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision. You, and everyone else decide for yourself what you will do, where you will go or not, whether you will go in the dome or not, whether you will trust and follow your teacher, who gave us such a tremendously great knowledge. Do we really understand what he has given us? It all goes naturally, everything goes naturally, there is no reason to worry about it. Don`t wait for anyone else to be more perfect, but decide for yourself to become more perfect, and then the environment will be more perfect, too. Decide what you want, and enjoy in that freedom of choice. If you want to come in the dome, then come. Drop by drop, the ocean will be full. dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, a defender of the faith. Thanks for coming out. It is good to have the more purist take also here. Ken, I posted a question the other day and there were really no takers. Could you take a try? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/109126 what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? -Doug in FF Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Again, which state? And, while perhaps I misremember the original letter, my recollection is that Kaplan reported MMY as saying there is no evidence that what you say would happen would happen. Kaplan took this to be referring to the ME. I took it to be referring to financial support from a grateful world... snip This version of my story really starts about three years ago. I was sitting with Maharishi privately, because at the time I had an open invitation to come to Vlodrop and sit with Mahesh whenever I wanted to. At that time I knew that Mahesh had many tens of millions of dollars, the money he needed to create a 10,000 group. He was talking about building big buildings, buying airlines, etc. etc. I said, Maharishi, since you have the money and supposedly you have enough pundits, why don't you create a 10,000 group in India and then the world will experience peace and the TM movement will gain great support of the laws of nature and our other activities will work out. Mahesh looked at me like I was crazy and said Earl, if we created the group then we don't know if it would create world peace or not. We would have to have the group and then see what the effect it has. Earl Kaplans Letter 04/16/2004 Both Earl and Maharishi refer to creating world peace not wether the the world would support it finacially after the fact. In that version of the letter. There has apparently been more than one, as reported here; supposedly a draft got into circulation before Kaplan thought it was ready. Above Lawson refers to the original version. Does he mean the draft, the first version that was circulated? If so, and if the quote Lawson remembers is accurate, Kaplan may have revised it in the later version to make what *he* understood MMY to be saying more explicit. Editorial analysis: The version you quote seems incomplete somehow. It's not clear why MMY would make such a statement and consider the matter closed. The natural response would be, So why not create the group and see what happens? But that question isn't asked. In the version Lawson cites, MMY's comment seems to complete the exchange, in the context of the various money-making endeavors they were talking about. Kaplan suggests that instead of doing all this other stuff to support the movement, MMY should create the pundit group, and that in itself will be all that is needed to keep the movement going indefinitely because *everybody* would then support the movement. But, in Lawson's verison, MMY responds that there's no evidence it would have that effect, i.e., that everyone would support the movement, implying that the TMO needs to establish solid financial foundation first before blowing the movement's existing resources on establishing the group. Once that's accomplished, then the group can be established and it won't matter whether anyone else supports the movement. Obviously we'd need to find the original draft version and see if Lawson's memory of how MMY is quoted is accurate. But if it is, that version seems to me to make more sense just in terms of the conversation itself. It would also be consistent with everything else MMY has been doing and saying. One other point: at the time of this conversation, there had been several large-scale tests of the Maharishi Effect, with published studies of the purportedly positive results (in particular the Jerusalem and D.C. gatherings). MMY clearly felt the ME had been documented (whether or not it had been), but there wasn't the outpouring of support from the world that he had initially expected. So in that context as well, the quote Lawson remembers makes more sense: from MMY's perspective, there *was* evidence that the ME worked, but there was no evidence that the world would recognize it and decide to support the movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision. Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak. Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say it is all an individual decision begs the question: What would you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more significant number of people back? Would they come back? Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, with some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg with its meditators? With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... saMdhi samaadhi
Do you do any FOREX trading?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Just killing time, waiting for the stock market to open...)
saMdhi m. putting together, junction, connection; union or
intercourse with (instr.); compact, agreement, alliance, peace
between (gen.), with (instr. {ñsaha}); joint, commissure, suture,
fold; anything that joins or lies between, as dawn, dusk, twilight
(between day and night), wall (between two rooms), also interval,
pause, opening, hole, breach, gap; euphonic combination of words and
sentences (g.).
samAdhi m. putting together, conjunction, union, a whole;
performation, accomplishment, arrangement, reconcilement; attention,
meditation, devotion.
As we can see, the basic meaning of saMdhi (pronounce ~ sund-he)
and samaadhi is the same, 'putting together'. The difference
between these words is that samaadhi contains an additional
prefix, or in this case perhaps rather infix, namely aa.
The difference in the pronunciation of 'm' in these words is
due to, well, sandhi (sam + dhi; sam + aa + dhi)!
(Because in the word saMdhi 'dh' is a dental sound,
its dentality is anticipated, so to speak, in the pronunciation
of sam and this is why the 'm' in sam is changed, in
*pronunciation* - and in sloppy devanaagarii writing, too, I guess -
to dental nasal 'n'.)
According to Macdonell, as a verbal prefix aa reverses the
meaning of verbs of giving and going. Doesn't help very much,
does it? As a wild guess, perhaps the 'aa' in samaadhi implies,
that the putting together (yoga) happens from inside out, or
stuff... :0
yoga m. (1. %{yuj} ; ifc. f. %{A}) the act of yoking , joining ,
attaching , harnessing , putting to (of horses) RV. MBh. ; a yoke ,
team , vehicle , conveyance S3Br. Kaus3. MBh. ; employment , use ,
application , performance RV. c. c. ; equipping or arraying (of an
army) MBh. ; fixing (of an arrow on the bow-string) ib. ; putting on
(of armour) L. ; a remedy , cure Sus3r. ; a means , expedient ,
device , way , manner , method MBh. Ka1v. c. ; a supernatural
means , charm , incantation , magical art ib. ; a trick , stratagem ,
fraud , deceit Mn. Katha1s. (cf. %{yoga-nanda}) ; undertaking ,
business , work RV. AV. TS. ; acquisition , gain , profit , wealth ,
property ib. Kaus3. MBh. ; occasion , opportunity Ka1m. Ma1rkP. ; any
junction , union , combination , contact with (instr. with or without
%{saha} , or comp.). MBh. Ka1v. c. (%{yogam} %{i} , to agree ,
consent , acquiesce in anything R.) ; mixing of various materials ,
mixture MBh. R. VarBr2S. ; partaking of , possessing (instr. or
comp.) Mn. R. Hariv. ; connection , relation (%{yogAt} , %{yogena}
and %{yoga-tas} ifc. in consequence of , on account of , by reason
of , according to , through) Ka1tyS3r. S3vetUp. Mn. c. ; putting
together , arrangement , disposition , regular succession Ka1t2h.
[856,3] S3rS. ; fitting together , fitness , propriety , suitability
(%{yogena} and %{yoga-tas} ind. suitably , fitly , duly , in the
right manner) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; exertion , endeavour , zeal ,
diligence , industry , care , attention (%{yoga-tas} ind.
strenuously , assiduously ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] , with all one's
powers , with overflowing zeal) Mn. MBh. c. ; application or
concentration of the thoughts , abstract contemplation , meditation ,
(esp.) self-concentration , abstract meditation and mental
abstraction practised as a system (as taught by Patan5jali and called
the Yoga philosophy ; it is the second of the two Sa1m2khya systems ,
its chief aim being to teach the means by which the human spirit may
attain complete union with I7s3vara or the Supreme Spirit ; in the
practice of self-concentration it is closely connected with Buddhism)
Up. MBh. Ka1v. c. (IW. 92) ; any simple act or rite conducive to
Yoga or abstract meditation Sarvad. ; Yoga personified (as the son of
Dharma and Kriya1) BhP. ; a follower of the Yoga system MBh.
S3am2k. ; (in Sa1m2khya) the union of soul with matter (one of the 10
Mu1lika7rtha1s or radical facts) Tattvas. ; (with Pa1s3upatas) the
union of the individual soul with the universal soul Kula7rn2. ;
(with Pa1n5cara1tras) devotion , pious seeking after God Sarvad. ;
(with Jainas) contact or mixing with the outer world ib. ; (in
astron.) conjunction , lucky conjuncture La1t2y. VarBr2S. MBh. c. ;
a constellation , asterism (these , with the moon , are called %
{cAndra-yogAH} and are 13 in number ; without the moon they are
called %{kha-yogAH} , or %{nAbhasa-yogAH}) VarBr2S. ; the leading or
principal star of a lunar asterism W. ; N. of a variable division of
time (during which the joint motion in longitude of the sun and moon
amounts to 13 degrees 20 minutes ; there are 27 such Yogas beginning
with Vishkambha and ending with Vaidhr2iti) ib. ; (in arithm.)
addition , sum , total Su1ryas. MBh. ; (in gram.) the connection of
words
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However to proclaim MMY/TMO BC or other TMO/MMY style of enlightenment without his confirmation is delusion or lack of integrity. You yourself mentioned the trap of misinterpreating some form of awakening as being a much grander awakening. Given the extensive history of this in the TMO, and given MMY has been so picky and specific about confirmations of enlightenemnt, why does this premise appear to be an issue or question to you: To proclaim MMY/TMO BC or other TMO/MMY style of enlightenment without his confirmation is delusion or lack of integrity. To proclaim ones own definition of enlightenement, or ones friend's, is fine. Or for example, Alex's proclamation of his waking down level I awakening (excuse my lack of preciseness of terms) is great. My sole point is that these are not MMY/TMO styles of enlightenment. If you want to go to the mic, and have MMY confirm these as MMY/TMO BC or other MMY/TMO enlightenment, then great. Then proclaim away. Until then, its some other awakening. All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Please make sure that you are always 'SAFE', with every i dotted and every t crossed. 'SAFE'- Aye, that's the ticket, isn't it? 'SAFETY'. Dude, you may want to play this game about 'you can't be enlightened or have a valid experience of such, until you have satisfied all of my rules', because you know as well as I do that even if someone were to get up and speak with Maharishi, he would not proclaim them as being enlightened. 1) I have never heard of Him doing so, and 2) If he did on a regular basis, we would have all heard about it. Your game is just to keep your own fears of self-dissolution at bay. Nothing more and nothing less. So keep trying to dazzle us with your turns and feints, but you know what? At the end of the day, you are left in the dust with your empty arguments. Jai Guru Dev. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to ignore it completely and substitute a completely different version of your own devising. What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment, or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't enlightened. But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he writes, for no good reason that I can see. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to ignore it completely and substitute a completely different version of your own devising. What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment, or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't enlightened. But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he writes, for no good reason that I can see. Agreed Judy. Its rather sad the pattern: Jim has learned to parrot a particular catechism -- which has a heavy Tom/Rory flavor, IMO -- but has no clue as to how to apply it in the real world. Consistent with your points, the catechism points bear little or no relvance or correspondence to what I have written. Jim's cognitive disabilities, noted periodically over the past 6 months, contine to unravel. His responses to what he has read reflect near zero reading comprehension skills. Based on his perfomances here, given a paragraph or two, and asked to summarize or answer questions about what he has read (as is commonly done on achievement and skill level tests), he would fail miserably. For a so-called liberated, to be so over-shodowed with rote talking points that even the smallest stimulus triggers them -- while similtaneously the trigger apparently also overrides or shuts down rational facilities, is ironic. And its sad to see the diminishment of any human being. Yet from 5000 feet, as characture of bliss-ninny delusions -- its amusing. He is hardly a walking advertisment for liberation. More an advertisment for the possible dangers of sustained practice of neuro-physiological techniques for self-development. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is hardly a walking advertisment for liberation. More an advertisment for the possible dangers of sustained practice of neuro-physiological techniques for self-development. Your game is pathetic and tiresome my friend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to ignore it completely and substitute a completely different version of your own devising. What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment, or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't enlightened. But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he writes, for no good reason that I can see. Pray tell, do we or is there a consensus on MMY style enlightenment? I doubt it. I've always seen it as MMY giving us a conceptual tool kit so one doesn't have a heart attack when the domain of Realization is breached and most of the tools fall out of the toolbox. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to ignore it completely and substitute a completely different version of your own devising. What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment, or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't enlightened. But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he writes, for no good reason that I can see. I read what he writes. He is completely absolutely 100% incorrect to distinguish this fanciful 'MMY/TMO enlightenment' or 'MMY-style enlightenment' from other modes or styles of enlightenment. Only a mind in bondage would even concieve of such an abstraction. Enlightenment is enlightenment is enlightenment. Each of us experiences It differently, but It is the same thing. There is no such thing as 'MMY/TMO style enlightenment' vs other styles of enlightenment. The idea is completely incorrect and rediculous! It is a stupid game he plays, who's only object is to disavow his own self-dissolution. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also your decision.Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t want, it is also OK.Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply.For some time, I will not lose my time.You, and everyone else can write whatever you want.I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome.Everyone will choose for themselves what they like.Let it be.I wish you all the best.dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision. Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak. Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say it is all an individual decision begs the question: What would you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more significant number of people back? Would they come back? Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, with some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg with its meditators? With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM, kenwoodfx wrote: If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also your decision. Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t want, it is also OK. Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply. For some time, I will not lose my time. You, and everyone else can write whatever you want. I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome. Everyone will choose for themselves what they like. Let it be. I wish you all the best. dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision. Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak. Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say it is all an individual decision begs the question: What would you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more significant number of people back? Would they come back? Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, with some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg with its meditators? With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... saMdhi samaadhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you do any FOREX trading? Naw, I usually buy bullish shares near the apex and am later forced to sell them cheap. :) But lately I've prayed this gadget'll break through: http://www.benefon.com/ It looks old-fashioned, but they say it's rather unique. However, many experts believe that company shall go into receivership(?) within a couple of months. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to ignore it completely and substitute a completely different version of your own devising. What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment, or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't enlightened. But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he writes, for no good reason that I can see. Pray tell, do we or is there a consensus on MMY style enlightenment? Clearly there is a concensus on what the TMO and MMY consider enlightenment by the one person who counts: MMY. And probably a clear concensus among TMO administrators and researchers. My sole point is that it is the perogative for MMY and the TMO to define, list manifest attributes of, and confirm TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt however they deem appropriate. For someone to claim TMO/MMY style enlightenment without such TMO / and or MMY confirmation is fraud. Its like selling a watch as a Rolex when its not. (Not to imply a bias that TM/MMY enlightenemt is superior.) Or its like someone claiming to be a board ceertified psychoanalyst when the have not passed the requirments set by the board authorized to give that title. I fail to see why this is a hard concept for some to comprehend. Peter, whether there is a concensus about what TMO / MMY style enlightenment on this list, amongst your peers or network, is interesting -- but irrelevant as far as confirming someones TMO / MMY style enlightenment. That is the TMO and MMY's sole perogative. I've always seen it as MMY giving us a conceptual tool kit so one doesn't have a heart attack when the domain of Realization is breached and most of the tools fall out of the toolbox. OK. fine. That does not in any way effect the above stated perogative and right of the TMO to define, list manifest attributes of, and confirm TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt how ever it deems appropriate. Since there is a lot of extra stuff floating in peoples mind, that when reading posts, in their minds appear to glob on and distort in their minds what a poster says. They read a post with assumptions about what the poster means, not what he/she is actually saying. Let me be clear. The above statements do NOT translate, imply, infer or mean any of the following statments (that some have oddly seen in my posts): - No one is enlightened. - MMY/ TMO style of enlightenement is superior to other awakenings, enlightenments or spiritual development - No other enlightenments or awakenings exist - MMY/ TMO style of enlightenement is different from all others. (It may be, or may not be. It clearly is different from some -- given that MMY requires clear sidhis for his confirmation of TMO / MMY style of enlightenment.) - That i am dismising the proclaimed enlightenment of others or claiming all such claimants are phonies. - that I am ridiculing those that claim some awakening or enlightenment based on thier own criteria or another teachers (This latter point however does not imply that I blindly buy into any and all claims -- particularly if there is a strong disconnet between claimed attributes and thier activity.) Again the above list of points CANNOT be found, implied or properly inferred from my primary points in the first part of this post. My sole point, oddly, yet apparently incomprehnsible to some, is that: MMY and the TMO have the perogative and right to define, list manifest attributes of, and confirm TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt however they deem appropriate. For someone to claim TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt without such TMO/MMY confirmation is fradulant. And sad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Maybe Maharishi isn't fully convinced about the physiological correlates either. Otherwise he would get wired up and provide a baseline to speed up the research. Physiological correlates would only relate to conditions of the mind. And there are many, many conditions of the mind from gross to very, very subtle. But I don't know if any physiological correlate of Realization will ever be established. Consciousness is outside of time and space. The mind can not quantify it; measure it. From the perspective of the mind, pure consciousness is absolutely nothing; emptiness; death; annihilation. Perhaps the best that could be done would be the impact on brain function of that Realization. But would there be a common EEG signature for all brains? I don't know. Right now I doubt it. It would be interesting to take MMY, Amma and SSRS and look at the similarities and disimilarities of their brain functioning. I'm curious what Fred Travis has come up with correlating specific enlightenment experiences with EEG function on the TM path (because I'm sure it would vary depending upon the path/techniques). Even if Fred used others, he would have to depend on the grokking of MMY, Amma, and SSRS or someone to give the nod to the folks used to establish the baseline signature. Have to start somewhere. Actually, Fred asked for volunteers who were reporting long-term 24/7 witnessing. He interviewed them and found correlations between how they reported their internal perception of self and their EEG and other physiological measures: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf Can't help comparing Earl's question to MMY about why he doesn't establish a group, when I think about this The EEG stuff is good PR and grant getting material. Again, which state? And, while perhaps I misremember the original letter, my recollection is that Kaplan reported MMY as saying there is no evidence that what you say would happen would happen. Kaplan took this to be referring to the ME. I took it to be referring to financial support from a grateful world... Anything CC or above would be satisfactory for measurement puposes if they were looking for 'stable' patterns . This version of my story really starts about three years ago. I was sitting with Maharishi privately, because at the time I had an open invitation to come to Vlodrop and sit with Mahesh whenever I wanted to. At that time I knew that Mahesh had many tens of millions of dollars, the money he needed to create a 10,000 group. He was talking about building big buildings, buying airlines, etc. etc. I said, Maharishi, since you have the money and supposedly you have enough pundits, why don't you create a 10,000 group in India and then the world will experience peace and the TM movement will gain great support of the laws of nature and our other activities will work out. Mahesh looked at me like I was crazy and said Earl, if we created the group then we don't know if it would create world peace or not. We would have to have the group and then see what the effect it has. Earl Kaplans Letter 04/16/2004 Both Earl and Maharishi refer to creating world peace not wether the the world would support it finacially after the fact. My recollection of the letter is different than what is now displayed. Perhaps my recollection is wrong or perhaps that is tidied up from his original comments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... saMdhi samaadhi
Thanks for answering. It looks interesting, I will watch the videos. I have a friend who is trying to crack FOREX trading and he seems to be making some progress in a difficult field. But his life has taken on the charactor of a tweeker with his ADD-like attention to the markets. I am studying some stuff from a FOREX trainer and trader named Raghee Horner http://raghee.com/ She has some good materials and seems to be more grounded than many get-rich-quick currency traders. It still seems like an area that can hand you your own ass in no time! Good luck with Benefon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Do you do any FOREX trading? Naw, I usually buy bullish shares near the apex and am later forced to sell them cheap. :) But lately I've prayed this gadget'll break through: http://www.benefon.com/ It looks old-fashioned, but they say it's rather unique. However, many experts believe that company shall go into receivership(?) within a couple of months. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked to suspend disbelief and support the notion that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. As posters, and classic commentators, have pointed out is that misinterpreation of initial or minor experiences can be incorrectly interpreted as high / highest states (such hierarchies continue to make me laugh -- but for the sake of discussion ...). For example, Rick made an articulate comment on this yesterday. [Apparently,] Avoiding this pitfall, is amongst the reasons i) development of a clear intellect -- and, ii) the confirmation of a teacher, an unbiased objective sourse -- are called for in various traditions, classic literature -- and the TMO -- before proclaimming enlightenment. Some traditions, tibetian buddhism apparently, think proclamation of ones state, even with such clear intellect and teacher confirmation, is rather silly and even harmful. That someone stumbling around, barley able to comprehend and reference what they have read with any accuracy, hardly fits the profile of one qualified for self-proclamation. But anything is possible. If wearing the crown of TMO/MMY style of enlightenment is really important for someone (odd and funny that it would be) then go to the domes and get your long sought and cherished confirmation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet. And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should be, you are 'SAFE'. Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to ignore it completely and substitute a completely different version of your own devising. What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment, or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't enlightened. But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he writes, for no good reason that I can see. Agreed Judy. Its rather sad the pattern: Jim has learned to parrot a particular catechism -- which has a heavy Tom/Rory flavor, IMO -- but has no clue as to how to apply it in the real world. Consistent with your points, the catechism points bear little or no relvance or correspondence to what I have written. Jim's cognitive disabilities, noted periodically over the past 6 months, contine to unravel. His responses to what he has read reflect near zero reading comprehension skills. Based on his perfomances here, given a paragraph or two, and asked to summarize or answer questions about what he has read (as is commonly done on achievement and skill level tests), he would fail miserably. For a so-called liberated, to be so over-shodowed with rote talking points that even the smallest stimulus triggers them -- while similtaneously the trigger apparently also overrides or shuts down rational facilities, is ironic. And its sad to see the diminishment of any human being. Yet from 5000 feet, as characture of bliss-ninny delusions -- its amusing. He is hardly a walking advertisment for liberation. More an advertisment for the possible dangers of sustained practice of neuro-physiological techniques for self-development. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My recollection of the letter is different than what is now displayed. Perhaps my recollection is wrong or perhaps that is tidied up from his original comments. With the vastly improved search function, you should have no problem finding it in the FFL archives as it was originally posted. It may have also been posted to a.m.t around the same time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pray tell, do we or is there a consensus on MMY style enlightenment? Clearly there is a concensus on what the TMO and MMY consider enlightenment by the one person who counts: MMY. And probably a clear concensus among TMO administrators and researchers. My sole point is that it is the perogative for MMY and the TMO to define, list manifest attributes of, and confirm TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt however they deem appropriate. For someone to claim TMO/MMY style enlightenment without such TMO / and or MMY confirmation is fraud. Its like selling a watch as a Rolex when its not. (Not to imply a bias that TM/MMY enlightenemt is superior.) Or its like someone claiming to be a board ceertified psychoanalyst when the have not passed the requirments set by the board authorized to give that title. I fail to see why this is a hard concept for some to comprehend. Peter, whether there is a concensus about what TMO / MMY style enlightenment on this list, amongst your peers or network, is interesting -- but irrelevant as far as confirming someones TMO / MMY style enlightenment. That is the TMO and MMY's sole perogative. I've always seen it as MMY giving us a conceptual tool kit so one doesn't have a heart attack when the domain of Realization is breached and most of the tools fall out of the toolbox. OK. fine. That does not in any way effect the above stated perogative and right of the TMO to define, list manifest attributes of, and confirm TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt how ever it deems appropriate. Since there is a lot of extra stuff floating in peoples mind, that when reading posts, in their minds appear to glob on and distort in their minds what a poster says. They read a post with assumptions about what the poster means, not what he/she is actually saying. Let me be clear. The above statements do NOT translate, imply, infer or mean any of the following statments (that some have oddly seen in my posts): - No one is enlightened. - MMY/ TMO style of enlightenement is superior to other awakenings, enlightenments or spiritual development - No other enlightenments or awakenings exist - MMY/ TMO style of enlightenement is different from all others. (It may be, or may not be. It clearly is different from some -- given that MMY requires clear sidhis for his confirmation of TMO / MMY style of enlightenment.) - That i am dismising the proclaimed enlightenment of others or claiming all such claimants are phonies. - that I am ridiculing those that claim some awakening or enlightenment based on thier own criteria or another teachers (This latter point however does not imply that I blindly buy into any and all claims -- particularly if there is a strong disconnet between claimed attributes and thier activity.) Again the above list of points CANNOT be found, implied or properly inferred from my primary points in the first part of this post. My sole point, oddly, yet apparently incomprehnsible to some, is that: MMY and the TMO have the perogative and right to define, list manifest attributes of, and confirm TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt however they deem appropriate. For someone to claim TMO/MMY style enlightenemnt without such TMO/MMY confirmation is fradulant. And sad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked to suspend disbelief and support the notion that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Speaking of comprehension and delusion, who is asking you to suspend disbelief, etc. and accept anything I say? Another foolish game you play. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: My recollection of the letter is different than what is now displayed. Perhaps my recollection is wrong or perhaps that is tidied up from his original comments. With the vastly improved search function, you should have no problem finding it in the FFL archives as it was originally posted. It may have also been posted to a.m.t around the same time. I can't ind an earlier version than the one posted recently. I must have misread. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/21/06 6:38 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: Has MMY claimed full UC for himself? I once heard a second- hand comment by him: He never claimed to be in any higher state of consciousness, but he implied that he had attained them all, by speaking on them authoritatively. I myself wouldn't practise a technique of self-development in which the figurehead wasn't in at least the highest attainable state. It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better not do TM then... You mean like you? BTW, my experience has been that my ability to know/cognize/perceive/whatever MMY's state of consciousness has little to do with the effects of TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Something other than the Beacon book? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: My recollection of the letter is different than what is now displayed. Perhaps my recollection is wrong or perhaps that is tidied up from his original comments. With the vastly improved search function, you should have no problem finding it in the FFL archives as it was originally posted. It may have also been posted to a.m.t around the same time. I can't ind an earlier version than the one posted recently. I must have misread. Someone here posted recently that there had been a draft version in circulation that was cleaned up considerably in what became the final version. Whether the draft version has ever been posted here or on alt.m.t or some other TM-related group is another question entirely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/21/06 3:11 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My prediction is that anyone who gets on the enlightened list will be banned from future courses. MMY's organization is not built for people who claim to have reached the goal. The only one beard in the room rule still applies. Am I wrong? That's why Fred Travis has been able to publish physiological studies on people who reported witnessing 24/7 for years on end: they're afraid to step forward... Fred was very condescending and dismissive of an Awake friend of mine whose brain waves didn¹t happen to match Fred¹s expectations. Where did TMO folks get the idea that being awake/enlightened is a measurable, dualistic phenomenon? From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] go beyond the mind experiences in meditation seeing light @ Amritapuri.org
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked to suspend disbelief and support the notion that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Speaking of comprehension and delusion, who is asking you to suspend disbelief, etc. and accept anything I say? Another foolish game you play. OK. Fair enough. I thought you had earlier proclaimed to be in BC (as defined by MMY). Is that an incorrect memory? Are you claiming that you do not beleive you are in BC (as defined by MMY)? If you don't deny it, its hardly a huge gaff to state we are asked to believe Regardless, if you did not explicity claim to be in BC (as defined by MMY) you have implied it, IMO, by making strong definitive statements about it. I asked you in a post a day or so ago, paraphrasing Is this your personal experience (of BC), or are you simply speculating or remembering something from your SCI or other course? You danced around that, coyly IMO, which to me further supported the implication of your belief. Any humble person not prolaiming BC would have clarified the point right away. So to be most accurate, I should have said, we are asked to believe, BY IMPLICATION [insertion in caps] Sorry such a minor ommission disturbed your world. I do note that I have raised a number of substantive points about your explicit or implied claims of being in BC and/or MMY/TMO style enlightenment, and you have been unable or unwilling to address them. Rather you solely focussed on minor points, diversions or ad honimen fallacies. I assume this represents the most cogent case you can make regarding my points. If not, I will relist them if you like so yuo can respond. Or if you do not claim to be in some TMO/MMY style of enlightenemnt, simple state so, please correct my misunderstanding or false inference. By the way, terming this a game, isn't a particularly strong rebuttal. Perhaps such a rebuttal is substantive in your mind, but its not in the real world. And its odd you see this as a game -- but perhaps such a percption supports the notion that this is all make believe for you. If you did not explicity state it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Again, which state? And, while perhaps I misremember the original letter, my recollection is that Kaplan reported MMY as saying there is no evidence that what you say would happen would happen. Kaplan took this to be referring to the ME. I took it to be referring to financial support from a grateful world... snip This version of my story really starts about three years ago. I was sitting with Maharishi privately, because at the time I had an open invitation to come to Vlodrop and sit with Mahesh whenever I wanted to. At that time I knew that Mahesh had many tens of millions of dollars, the money he needed to create a 10,000 group. He was talking about building big buildings, buying airlines, etc. etc. I said, Maharishi, since you have the money and supposedly you have enough pundits, why don't you create a 10,000 group in India and then the world will experience peace and the TM movement will gain great support of the laws of nature and our other activities will work out. Mahesh looked at me like I was crazy and said Earl, if we created the group then we don't know if it would create world peace or not. We would have to have the group and then see what the effect it has. Earl Kaplans Letter 04/16/2004 Both Earl and Maharishi refer to creating world peace not wether the the world would support it finacially after the fact. In that version of the letter. There has apparently been more than one, as reported here; supposedly a draft got into circulation before Kaplan thought it was ready. Above Lawson refers to the original version. Does he mean the draft, the first version that was circulated? If so, and if the quote Lawson remembers is accurate, Kaplan may have revised it in the later version to make what *he* understood MMY to be saying more explicit. Editorial analysis: The version you quote seems incomplete somehow. It's not clear why MMY would make such a statement and consider the matter closed. The natural response would be, So why not create the group and see what happens? But that question isn't asked. In the version Lawson cites, MMY's comment seems to complete the exchange, in the context of the various money-making endeavors they were talking about. Kaplan suggests that instead of doing all this other stuff to support the movement, MMY should create the pundit group, and that in itself will be all that is needed to keep the movement going indefinitely because *everybody* would then support the movement. But, in Lawson's verison, MMY responds that there's no evidence it would have that effect, i.e., that everyone would support the movement, implying that the TMO needs to establish solid financial foundation first before blowing the movement's existing resources on establishing the group. Once that's accomplished, then the group can be established and it won't matter whether anyone else supports the movement. Obviously we'd need to find the original draft version and see if Lawson's memory of how MMY is quoted is accurate. But if it is, that version seems to me to make more sense just in terms of the conversation itself. It would also be consistent with everything else MMY has been doing and saying. One other point: at the time of this conversation, there had been several large-scale tests of the Maharishi Effect, with published studies of the purportedly positive results (in particular the Jerusalem and D.C. gatherings). MMY clearly felt the ME had been documented (whether or not it had been), but there wasn't the outpouring of support from the world that he had initially expected. So in that context as well, the quote Lawson remembers makes more sense: from MMY's perspective, there *was* evidence that the ME worked, but there was no evidence that the world would recognize it and decide to support the movement. I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a cranky old fart! Me or Bob? :) BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! haha good one. For future posts: Maria Sharapova: Russian: Beatles song Back in the USSR: Beatles got MMY in the newspapers. or Maria Sharapova: Goddess: TM mantras :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What a cranky old fart! Me or Bob? :) BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! haha good one. For future posts: Maria Sharapova: Russian: Beatles song Back in the USSR: Beatles got MMY in the newspapers. or Maria Sharapova: Goddess: TM mantras :) Maria Sharapova: Schwing! : pedophilia: JonBenet: False confession To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences on 8/22/06 9:11 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. Did I ever say that the people I was referring to were claiming MMY-style enlightenment? Seems to me they are saying theyve woken up, and are happy to use any terminology that helps to describe their experience. MMYs often does, and they have that background, so they often use it. But just as often, they use other terminology if its more suitable. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. You say you enjoy his lyrics. You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they-are- cats-in-heat demographic. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] All Blasphemies do not end up as great truths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All great truths begin as Blasphemies -George Bernard Shaw All Blasphemies do not end up as great truths - Common Sense and Ovious observation All conspiracy theories not end up as great truths - ibid Odd, that some stumble on obvious and common sense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences on 8/22/06 12:34 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. Its in the files section. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
Nice inclusion of our girl through the Beatles! I think we have the relevance issue handled. Maria Sharapova might make the top 10 Istadevas list also. In fact, anytime the divine wants to appear to me in this form, I will go back to practicing the eyes-closed stuff! BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! haha good one. For future posts: Maria Sharapova: Russian: Beatles song Back in the USSR: Beatles got MMY in the newspapers. or Maria Sharapova: Goddess: TM mantras :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Blasphemies do not end up as great truths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: All great truths begin as Blasphemies -George Bernard Shaw All Blasphemies do not end up as great truths - Common Sense and Ovious observation All conspiracy theories not end up as great truths - ibid Odd, that some stumble on obvious and common sense. Major Barbara was a hot babe for her time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/21/06 3:11 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My prediction is that anyone who gets on the enlightened list will be banned from future courses. MMY's organization is not built for people who claim to have reached the goal. The only one beard in the room rule still applies. Am I wrong? That's why Fred Travis has been able to publish physiological studies on people who reported witnessing 24/7 for years on end: they're afraid to step forward... Fred was very condescending and dismissive of an Awake friend of mine whose brain waves didn¹t happen to match Fred¹s expectations. Where did TMO folks get the idea that being awake/enlightened is a measurable, dualistic phenomenon? From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they-are- cats-in-heat demographic. Actually I do dig his singing most of the time. His phrasing is hypnotic. Even his harp playing (which is noise to most harp players) fits his songs so well. Because I play harp on a rack, a guy asked me to play some Dylan last weekend. I had to tell him that Dylan plays white music and I play black music. Because I am so white I almost glow it got a good laugh. But it is true that I have a lot more Son House in my blood than Woody Guthrie. I do play his Blind Lemon Jefferson's cover from his first album, See That My Grave is Kept Clean, but I play it in a more traditional blues style. That is a powerful song of mortality! Cats-in- Heat would make a fantastic band name! (Relevance check: MMY claims that animals drain energy. Kevin Bacon owns a cat.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. You say you enjoy his lyrics. You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they-are- cats-in-heat demographic. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. LOL. As you know, the court case was in the mid-70's... That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they- are- cats-in-heat demographic. Actually I do dig his singing most of the time. His phrasing is hypnotic. Even his harp playing (which is noise to most harp players) fits his songs so well. Because I play harp on a rack, a guy asked me to play some Dylan last weekend. I had to tell him that Dylan plays white music and I play black music. Because I am so white I almost glow it got a good laugh. But it is true that I have a lot more Son House in my blood than Woody Guthrie. I do play his Blind Lemon Jefferson's cover from his first album, See That My Grave is Kept Clean, but I play it in a more traditional blues style. That is a powerful song of mortality! Cats-in- Heat would make a fantastic band name! (Relevance check: MMY claims that animals drain energy. Kevin Bacon owns a cat.) Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. You say you enjoy his lyrics. You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they- are- cats-in-heat demographic. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY, Old Age
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? Actually, the MD/PH.d (neurology) that I used to take my mom -- with alzhiemers -- to said If you live to be old enough, you will develop Alszheimers. Alzhiemers, amonsgt other things, is a gooping up of the brain with plaque and all. And it happens to everyone according to him, given enough time. For some it starts earlier than others. I have not found strong confirmation of this in Alzhiemers articles -- though I have not looked hard. And this guy, young, weel read in current research, dual doctoral degrees from major universities, appeared convinced of his statements. Kind of puts the TMO immortality model in perspective everything just keeps changing, the body keeps changing, but it never dies. Perhaps it changes into a no-memory, near comotose living entity -- and then more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? Absolutely. The first title of MMY's publication was the Bacon-lite of the Himalayas. This is a little known fact. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they- are- cats-in-heat demographic. Actually I do dig his singing most of the time. His phrasing is hypnotic. Even his harp playing (which is noise to most harp players) fits his songs so well. Because I play harp on a rack, a guy asked me to play some Dylan last weekend. I had to tell him that Dylan plays white music and I play black music. Because I am so white I almost glow it got a good laugh. But it is true that I have a lot more Son House in my blood than Woody Guthrie. I do play his Blind Lemon Jefferson's cover from his first album, See That My Grave is Kept Clean, but I play it in a more traditional blues style. That is a powerful song of mortality! Cats-in- Heat would make a fantastic band name! (Relevance check: MMY claims that animals drain energy. Kevin Bacon owns a cat.) Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. You say you enjoy his lyrics. You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they- are- cats-in-heat demographic. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they-are- cats-in-heat demographic. Actually I do dig his singing most of the time. His phrasing is hypnotic. Even his harp playing (which is noise to most harp players) fits his songs so well. Because I play harp on a rack, a guy asked me to play some Dylan last weekend. I had to tell him that Dylan plays white music and I play black music. Because I am so white I almost glow it got a good laugh. But it is true that I have a lot more Son House in my blood than Woody Guthrie. I do play his Blind Lemon Jefferson's cover from his first album, See That My Grave is Kept Clean, but I play it in a more traditional blues style. That is a powerful song of mortality! Cats-in- Heat would make a fantastic band name! (Relevance check: MMY claims that animals drain energy. Kevin Bacon owns a cat.) Cat: Cat in the Hat: Dr. Suess: One of his first books Bartholomow and the 500 Hats is an equisite treatise on the unfoldment of enlightenment -- the removal of layer after layer of imaginary self. My first grade teacher read it to us, and at the end I jumped up and shouted, YES! Om Shivaya NaMa! Few of my peers got me back then. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. You say you enjoy his lyrics. You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they-are- cats-in-heat demographic. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. LOL. As you know, the court case was in the mid-70's... Obviously and clearly, MMY knew the future in detail in 1966. :) As would be expected of a TMO / enlightened one -- clear experience of the sidhis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like-they- are- cats-in-heat demographic. Actually I do dig his singing most of the time. His phrasing is hypnotic. Even his harp playing (which is noise to most harp players) fits his songs so well. Because I play harp on a rack, a guy asked me to play some Dylan last weekend. I had to tell him that Dylan plays white music and I play black music. Because I am so white I almost glow it got a good laugh. But it is true that I have a lot more Son House in my blood than Woody Guthrie. I do play his Blind Lemon Jefferson's cover from his first album, See That My Grave is Kept Clean, but I play it in a more traditional blues style. That is a powerful song of mortality! Cats-in- Heat would make a fantastic band name! (Relevance check: MMY claims that animals drain energy. Kevin Bacon owns a cat.) Cat: Cat in the Hat: Dr. Suess: One of his first books Bartholomow and the 500 Hats is an equisite treatise on the unfoldment of enlightenment -- the removal of layer after layer of imaginary self. My first grade teacher read it to us, and at the end I jumped up and shouted, YES! Om Shivaya NaMa! Few of my peers got me back then. :) Cat in the Hat: Mike Myers: Parents from Liverpool: Beatles: Maharishi: Linda and Judy: Rick Archer: FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What a cranky old fart! Modern music is worthless. I really enjoy his lyrics and his recent autobiography is worth reading. But he is so bizarre. You say you enjoy his lyrics. You didn't say you liked his singing. I find this prejudicial against the singers-who-sound-like- they-are- cats-in-heat demographic. BTW I think you can run the posting relevance proof like the Kevin Bacon game. Dylan gave the Beatles their first weed. The Beatles got MMY into the newspapers. Done in two steps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked to suspend disbelief and support the notion that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Speaking of comprehension and delusion, who is asking you to suspend disbelief, etc. and accept anything I say? Another foolish game you play. OK. Fair enough. I thought you had earlier proclaimed to be in BC (as defined by MMY). Is that an incorrect memory? Are you claiming that you do not beleive you are in BC (as defined by MMY)? If you don't deny it, its hardly a huge gaff to state we are asked to believe Regardless, if you did not explicity claim to be in BC (as defined by MMY) you have implied it, IMO, by making strong definitive statements about it. Sorry, I am not playing this game with you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
You did not understand what I have written.Still that is not reason for you not to be more polite.Doesn`t matter.Bye.Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM, kenwoodfx wrote:If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also your decision. Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t want, it is also OK. Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply. For some time, I will not lose my time. You, and everyone else can write whatever you want. I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome. Everyone will choose for themselves what they like. Let it be. I wish you all the best. dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED].wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision.Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak. Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say it is all an individual decision begs the question:What wouldyou suppose they would have to do in order to bring a moresignificant number of people back? Would they come back?Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US,withsome tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousandspeople taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up whencalled. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, whatwould the TMOrg need do to reconcilewith its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what couldthe elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorgwith its meditators? With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back?Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I am not playing this game with you. OK then. You claimed a point I made was inaccurate. I sought clarificaion. You obsfucated and punted as usual. (Usually a sign of no substantive points to make) As I said earlier, but unheeded by you, your incorrect casting, as a game, the discussions of serious issues (false claims of enlightenment, cognitive errors, misinterpretation of experiences) appears to further reflect the emptiness of your claims. If you don't like games, perhaps you can cease your apparently delusional claims (explicit or implicit) of being in MMY/TMO BC and your imaginary powers that you feel stem from that. The earlier, non-refuted, point stands (with minor edits): What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences on 8/22/06 1:56 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Remember MMYs term babbling saint? Im not agreeing that Jim doesnt have good communication skills, but even if he didnt that wouldnt necessarily say anything about his level of consciousness. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maria Sharapova: Russian: Beatles song Back in the USSR: Beatles got MMY in the newspapers. or Maria Sharapova: Goddess: TM mantras :) If you dig Russian chicks you might like some of the female characters in the Russian telenovela Poor Anastasia (Bednaya Nastya): http://www.serials.ru/galleries/en/bednaya_nastya/2/5.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Sorry, I am not playing this game with you. OK then. You claimed a point I made was inaccurate. I sought clarificaion. You obsfucated and punted as usual. (Usually a sign of no substantive points to make) As I said earlier, but unheeded by you, your incorrect casting, as a game, the discussions of serious issues (false claims of enlightenment, cognitive errors, misinterpretation of experiences) appears to further reflect the emptiness of your claims. If you don't like games, perhaps you can cease your apparently delusional claims (explicit or implicit) of being in MMY/TMO BC and your imaginary powers that you feel stem from that. The earlier, non-refuted, point stands (with minor edits): What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Where on earth do you get this idea that when someone posts something they are asking by implication that it be supported by those on this board? I am stupified that you think that. I've always just seen any of the posts here as points of view offered up as the poster's truth of the moment, but not necessarily anyone else's. You can claim anything you want about me or yourself and I am free to do the same, and if it does or doesn't fit into your neat little logical boxes, tough tiddly winks, bro. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless Alex Stanley says Bob Dylan's music is worthless. That godawful nasal droning he calls a voice makes my flesh crawl. I could never understand his appeal. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal Hi Sal, Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit. people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected currently? Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one, to the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most blatant are being accepted. For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was posting here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky black cocktail dress, right? :) ]. Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he is hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. For example, he has a website that postulates or claims realization -- depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large number of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO) BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued many different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book shop, and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But not your typical TMO TBer. So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low for those with quite wide, non-TMO, spiritual topics and practices. Rick said Tom Traynor has also been accepted. Tom appears to also have have wide ranging, beyond TMO, pursuits and practices. And heads a weekly satsang in FF for the enlightened. Again, not your standard TMO TBer. So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It appears to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your observation there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago). Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal Hi Sal, Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit. people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected currently? Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one, to the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most blatant are being accepted. For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was posting here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky black cocktail dress, right? :) ]. Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he is hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. For example, he has a website that postulates or claims realization -- depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large number of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO) BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued many different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book shop, and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But not your typical TMO TBer. So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low I've never understood the anaology of the bar. If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, almost no one would be able to pass under it. If it's high then almost anyone can pass under. So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring to? Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk. for those with quite wide, non-TMO, spiritual topics and practices. Rick said Tom Traynor has also been accepted. Tom appears to also have have wide ranging, beyond TMO, pursuits and practices. And heads a weekly satsang in FF for the enlightened. Again, not your standard TMO TBer. So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It appears to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your observation there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago). Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never understood the anaology of the bar. If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, almost no one would be able to pass under it. If it's high then almost anyone can pass under. So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring to? Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk. Ha ha. I thought the same thing. I first wrote, the bar seems pretty high (meaning easy) -- but that didn't seem to get the point across. So, while thinking of limbo -- and my backwards reference-- I closed my eyes, hit send, and hoped the point I was trying to make would be clear. :) Regardles. I meant it low restrictions, and easy bar to jump over, lots of people get round the bar -- etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also your decision. Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t want, it is also OK. Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply. For some time, I will not lose my time. You, and everyone else can write whatever you want. I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome. Everyone will choose for themselves what they like. Let it be. I wish you all the best. OK. That pretty much says it all then. JohnY dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision. Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak. Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say it is all an individual decision begs the question: What would you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more significant number of people back? Would they come back? Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, with some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg with its meditators? With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read what he writes. He is completely absolutely 100% incorrect to distinguish this fanciful 'MMY/TMO enlightenment' or 'MMY-style enlightenment' from other modes or styles of enlightenment. Only a mind in bondage would even concieve of such an abstraction. Enlightenment is enlightenment is enlightenment. Each of us experiences It differently, but It is the same thing. There is no such thing as 'MMY/TMO style enlightenment' vs other styles of enlightenment. The idea is completely incorrect and rediculous! It is a stupid game he plays, who's only object is to disavow his own self-dissolution. Does exhibiting or not exhibiting particular subtle dualistic phenomena qualify as experiencing It differently? What I see as the defining core of awakening is a shift in identity from the limited I/me to pure Being, the conscious nature, or however you choose to describe that I AM THATness. However, one can realize that shift in identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks. Claiming that one is not awake unless he's witnessing 24/7 is absurd; it's like claiming that one is not awake unless he can make steam rise off ice-water soaked sheets wrapped around the body. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Big Thunder in Little Boca
I'm sitting in my office in Boca Raton and there is the mother of all thunder storms occuring outside. HUGE, long, ripping thunder claps; one after another. Really quite impressive. Makes me jiva jingle! KAAAROOO OOMMM!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does exhibiting or not exhibiting particular subtle dualistic phenomena qualify as experiencing It differently? Hi, I was referring to an awakened person's experience, not necessarily their observed presence. Meaning that as each of us have distinct nervous systems, there are different flavors of awakening we each experience, though the core experience that you describe below is perfectly the same for all awakened souls. What I see as the defining core of awakening is a shift in identity from the limited I/me to pure Being, the conscious nature, or however you choose to describe that I AM THATness. However, one can realize that shift in identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks. Claiming that one is not awake unless he's witnessing 24/7 is absurd; it's like claiming that one is not awake unless he can make steam rise off ice-water soaked sheets wrapped around the body. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Thanks, Paul. 'Zat the publication you were referring to, Shemp? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. So I gather you got no quote, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 12:34 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. It¹s in the files section. That's the one I posted from. That's the earliest then ? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Big Thunder in Little Boca
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Big Thunder in Little Boca on 8/22/06 2:49 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sitting in my office in Boca Raton and there is the mother of all thunder storms occuring outside. HUGE, long, ripping thunder claps; one after another. Really quite impressive. Makes me jiva jingle! KAAAROOO OOMMM!!! I hope you have the mother of all surge protectors. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. LOL. As you know, the court case was in the mid-70's... Obviously and clearly, MMY knew the future in detail in 1966. :) As would be expected of a TMO / enlightened one -- clear experience of the sidhis. Now, that's FUNNY! JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/22/06 12:34 PM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote: I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. It¹s in the files section. That's the one I posted from. That's the earliest then ? I think he means that's the original version that was posted here. Whether that's the early draft version others have mentioned is another question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences on 8/22/06 3:04 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 12:34 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. Its in the files section. That's the one I posted from. That's the earliest then ? I believe so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. If you say he meant the TM mantras are the names of gods, yes indeedy. Or perhaps just illiterate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Where on earth do you get this idea that when someone posts something they are asking by implication that it be supported by those on this board? First, lets clarify that support the notion is casual conversational language. It would be, formally, more precise, to have said find plausible the notion. Does your point and objection change if I make that innoccuous substitution? What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and find plausible the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. But on to the primary point of your obsfucation or low comprehension. Are you really, in your mind, equating all posts on FFL to a far smaller class of posts -- claims (explicit or implicit) one makes about attainments? If so, you support my above premise again. You have weak reading, comprehension and analytical skills. Hardly the sort of fellow one would trust in discriminating the subtlest and trickiest of ontological and espistimological problems. Many posts are quite simple observations. Light. Not hard claims being made. The issue of plausibility is not so much an issue. Another, perhaps more rigorous type of post is a POV post. One states a point of view, and often, hopefully, tries to support the point made -- that is they try to make the case for their POV plausible. A third, more rare type of post, the type you have been made at times, are or imply a more rigourous claim with regards ones expertise to address a particular area with some degree of authority, validity and correctness. For example, Peter is a certified psychoanalyst. Markus (sp) is a member of his states bar, a practicing lawyer. When they makes comments within the area of their profession, its implied that their comments are plausible -- because they have established their credibility in that field. We find their comments plausible because we find their expertise plausible. A further example, if one claims to have expertise in an area, explicity -- or implicitly* by making copious definitive statements about a topic -- then readers usually assume that the poster stands behind such claims -- at least to the degree of attempting to be plausible. In contrast, as touched on earlier, there are a much wider class of posts in which people state POVs. Some quite preliminary. They may caveat it by saying, I am not sure about this, i may change my view tomorrow... But EVEN then, they try to make a plausible case for todays POV. To assume (as you perhaps are -- by implication) that people post and they are not trying to make a plausible case for their assertion or POV is pretty funny. So, lets step back. When you state or imply you are in MMY/TMO style BC*, do you simply mean: *(which I reacall you have explicitly stated, and after three attempts to have you confirm or deny such, you continue to obsfucate) I believe I am in MMY/TMO style BC. However, I am not really sure. This is just my opinion. Here are some reasons I think I am. Any clarifications to help me better interpret my experiences are welcome. If so, then this would be a quite welcome and refreshing observation. Is that all you have been attempting to convey regarding your assessment, interpretations and proclamations of your state of consciousnss? Still, I suggest even in the above, you are attempting to make a plausible case for your belief. (which is equivalent in my intent of meaning, by my use of the casual we are lead to believe -- that is we have been presented with a POV that the poster believes is plausible. I am stupified yes, though I would not state it so harshly. :) I've always just seen any of the posts here as points of view offered up as the poster's truth of the moment, but not necessarily anyone else's. So as i have asked repeated before, and you have obsfucated, when you make repeated definitive statements about MMY/TMO BC, are you simply basing this on some POV -- derived from some memory of some TMO course or tape? Or are you implying that you feel you are living TMO/MMY BC, as i have inferred. (Perhaps inferred incorrectly, but I have repeatedly asked for clarification and only recieved diversions and obsfuction.) If you are implying such, Is language usually such a large hurdle for you? If so, you can understandably share my skepticism that you are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Thunder in Little Boca
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sitting in my office in Boca Raton and there is the mother of all thunder storms occuring outside. HUGE, long, ripping thunder claps; one after another. Really quite impressive. Makes me jiva jingle! KAAAROOO OOMMM!!! i thought your jiva was long ago liberated. Retired. Moved to Florida. Oh. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
New, It wasn't really a question of who is and who isn't being accepted (although I would argue that the rejection of *anyone* for any reason other than a fear (based on some kind of reality) that they might be dangerous, would a good enough reason for everyone else to stay away) but of Ken's contention that everyone should apply, regardless of where they are and what other obligations they might have...and also, that it should somehow not bother anyone else that people are being discriminated against by these rejections, forcibly ejected from the Domes, etc. Doesn't any of that bother you? I thought the days of people laying guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their own better judgment, were over. I was wrong. And I'm not sure how currently you mean--it's apparently happened on this course. Also the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't give it to them. What could the reason possibly be except to intimidate people? I've been on a lot of courses given by various organizations, and I have never been asked to give that. What are your feelings? Sal --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal Hi Sal, Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit. people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected currently? Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one, to the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most blatant are being accepted. For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was posting here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky black cocktail dress, right? :) ]. Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he is hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. For example, he has a website that postulates or claims realization -- depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large number of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO) BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued many different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book shop, and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But not your typical TMO TBer. So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
There has been some debate as to whether or not the teaching of TM in India is the same as elsewhere. During a documentary made at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's ashram in Rishikesh in India in 1968 whilst The Beatles were there, filmmaker Yavar Abbas asks, amongst other things, why there are less Indians than westerners on the ashram. MMY tells him that for these three months 'we do not have any Indian trainees':- 'When I train Indians, then I train ONLY Indians, because to spread Transcendental Meditation in India, it has to have the background of yoga, vedanta, bhakti, karma Gita, Koran Bible. In the west we have to be on the level of systematic, scientific investigation, experimentation, so the whole language, the whole approach for relieving the society in the west is different, even though basically the thing is the same.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Thanks, Paul. 'Zat the publication you were referring to, Shemp? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Also the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't give it to them. What could the reason possibly be except to intimidate people? I've been on a lot of courses given by various organizations, and I have never been asked to give that. I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975. Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for identification, and nobody thought anything of it. I think they also asked for it on course applications then as well. It does have the advantage of being a unique identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu shot and was asked for my SS #. I said no, and that was OK with them, but it would never have occurred to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by asking. It used to be almost a reflex to identify people by their SS # and is still used in many cases, although obviously more and more people these days are refusing to give it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steorn: Free Energy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 days ago Steorn, an Irish Company, placed a full page ad in The Economist -- this costs around £140K. Here's the text: All great truths begin as Blasphemies -George Bernard Shaw http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, one can realize that shift in identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks. Claiming that one is not awake unless he's witnessing 24/7 is absurd; And is any one making that absurd claim? Not that i have read. MMY does make specific claims about the he refers to as CC, UC, etc, aka MMY/TMO styles of enlightenment. Thats his perogotive. He can make any claim he wants about states and terms he defines. That doesn't necessarily make them valid. Or invalid. One can realize that shift in identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks witnessing 24/7. However, to claim that this state of awakening is what MMY refers to, aka MMY/TMO styles of enlightenemnt, is quite absurd and fraudulant. Specifically when he specifies particular manifest attributes for his scheme of things such as 24/7 witnessing and sidhis. Its like claiming, I have a car. It runs. Cadillacs are cars. They run. Thus my car is a Cadillac. Its absurd. Cadillacs may be good cars, they may be shitty cars, but if your car doesn't have the specific attributes that GM says are in a Cadillac, its absurd and fraudulent to call your car a Cadillac. Perhaps your car is a kewl hybrid. Much kewler than a Caddillac. Why would you ever care to call it a Cadillac? Hood ornament envy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Sorry, I am not playing this game with you. OK then. You claimed a point I made was inaccurate. I sought clarificaion. You obsfucated and punted as usual. (Usually a sign of no substantive points to make) As I said earlier, but unheeded by you, your incorrect casting, as a game, the discussions of serious issues (false claims of enlightenment, cognitive errors, misinterpretation of experiences) appears to further reflect the emptiness of your claims. If you don't like games, perhaps you can cease your apparently delusional claims (explicit or implicit) of being in MMY/TMO BC and your imaginary powers that you feel stem from that. The earlier, non-refuted, point stands (with minor edits): What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Where on earth do you get this idea that when someone posts something they are asking by implication that it be supported by those on this board? I am stupified that you think that. I've always just seen any of the posts here as points of view offered up as the poster's truth of the moment, but not necessarily anyone else's. You can claim anything you want about me or yourself and I am free to do the same, and if it does or doesn't fit into your neat little logical boxes, tough tiddly winks, bro. No worries Jim, he is just trying to wear you out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 9:11 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet the criteria MMY has set for it. Did I ever say that the people I was referring to were claiming MMY- style enlightenment? Seems to me they are saying they¹ve woken up, and are happy to use any terminology that helps to describe their experience. MMY¹s often does, and they have that background, so they often use it. But just as often, they use other terminology if it¹s more suitable. I believe new morning was addressing Jim, Rick, not you, wasn't he? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA on 8/22/06 4:17 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? No. If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. First?! Could have tragic consequenses. Or none at all. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: However, one can realize that shift in identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks. Claiming that one is not awake unless he's witnessing 24/7 is absurd; And is any one making that absurd claim? Not that i have read. It's my impression from past discussions on FFL that TM people *are* making that claim. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. Er, the usual definition of mantra isn't name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this post relevant to FFL because a lot of people in FF, and TMOers, present, and former actives, listen to music. And have listened to and admired Bob Dylan. (Does this meet the Doug test for explaining relevancy?) And so many Dylan lines are relevant to the themes of FFL. A few that come to mind: Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones? She knows too much to argue or to judge. An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. I am younger than that now Time will tell who as fell, and who has been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine. I pity the poor immigrant whose strength is spent in vain, All along the watchtower, princes [and rajas[ kept the view There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief, there's too much confusion, I can't get no relief. Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower, while calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Great comentaries could be written on these sutras -- unfolding great truths. == LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says modern recordings sound atrocious, and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really, the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in that time, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them, he added. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static. Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it. It is interesting to observe, that even though the americans are the most dangerous and aggressive people on earth right now, some great souls are being incarnated in that country. Bob Dylan ofcourse being one of them. Some of the more interesting people I have met have been americans; photographers, writers and painters. Yet they are sorrounded by a population so bizarre and simple. Run to get Modern Times. And if you do not already have it, get Time Out of Mind, thats pure Vedanta, IMHO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
