[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Robert, Can you put the below into your own words? I'm betting you can't. (snip) Maybe it's like being Number One, and Nowhere Man, at the same time? Could be like your one and zero at the same time... This would be like in quantum mechanics where, the research in new computer memory allows for a bit to be both zero and one, at the same time... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple Quicktime Help
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: I'm trying to download itunes on my computer for the iphone I got from Santa. The installation is almost complete when this window pops-up: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Quicktime It says that it could not open this key. What to do? Thanks. Sounds as if it's a bug in Apple's installation routine, Pete. It's looking for the registry entry of the previous version to uninstall after installing the new one, and can't find it because there is no previous version. Just like Apple to not be able to conceive of some Windows user not having the previous version of their software, and not knowing how to deal with it. HOW to deal with it? Can't help you. A quick Google search finds no matching fixes among frustrated users. The only thing I can suggest is to try what is prob- ably a multi-part install (iTunes bundled with Quick- time) in a different order, starting with iTunes first. Good luck. This is what happens when Apple programmers try to build Windows installers. :-)
[FairfieldLife] The Israeli End-Of-An-Era Escalation Sale
[ This post is pure opinion. If you have a different one, post it. Don't waste energy trying to get a reactive response from this opinion holder. ] OK, here's what this latest Israeli outrage looks like to me. It looks as if the Israeli leadership is panicky because the Old Guard has lost both power and credibility in the U.S., and a bunch of New People With Unknown Priorities are coming in and they are incredibly worried about what those Unknown Priorities might be. The Old Guard was dependable. They were neocons and Christian fundies who wanted, more than anything else, for the conflict between Israel and other Arab nations to continue. The neocons wanted this because the conflict kept putting money in their pockets from kickbacks they got from defense contractors. The fundies wanted it to continue because they fer- vently hope for the End Days, and think that Israel is the key to bringing them about. All of this meant lots and lots and lots of U.S. money and weapons being poured into Israel, and a continuation of the status quo. Now comes this schwarze, and we don't know what he will do with regard to the status quo. So. What to do? Well, one thing we could do is to mount an unconscion- ably massive attack on the Gaza strip, kill hundreds if not thousands of people, and claim that it was justified because some rockets that killed no one in Israel were fired from that territory. Yeah, that's the ticket. It's win-win for Israel. While the attacks are going on, we get to cripple Hamas and kill a lot of its leaders. But that's just the minor payoff, a kind of side benefit. The *main* benefit is going to be the reaction of the Arab world in the next few months. They're going to be outraged (as was our intention) and mount a series of reprisal attacks against Israel. Sure, these reprisals are going to kill a bunch of our own citizens, but that's a small price to pay for being able to pretend to be the victims of these attacks during the first few months of the Obama administration. We can play the Victim Card again and claim that the Arabs all hate us, and try to shape Yet Another American Administration into being a tool of Israel. Obama won't want to spend his first few months in office disappointing all the status quo voters who have blindly supported Israel all these years, so he'll have to fall in line and blindly support us the way his predecessors have. And the whole time we can sit back and play the Victim Card and say, Hey, *we* are not the ones doing this. See...it's this Hamas suicide bomber over here and this Palestinian attack squad over there. They're the *real* culprits in all of this. And if someone in the press dares to point out that we started all this, we can just play the AntiSemitism Card against the people saying it. It's worked on the stupid American public for 60 years now, so there's no reason to believe it won't work again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Israeli End-Of-An-Era Escalation Sale
Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak that Israel's patience was exhausted after days of rocket barrages into Israel from Gaza, and that the Israeli government would no longer accept the status quo. Hamas needs to understand that our aspiration to live in peace doesn't mean that Israel is going to take this kind of situation any longer, Livni said. Enough is enough and while we are working with the pragmatic leaders, trying to change the situation on the ground in the West Bank, we cannot tolerate a situation in which Hamas continues to target Israel, Israel's citizens, and this situation is going to be changed. Egypt had been hoping to broker a new ceasefire between the Israel and Hamas, after the last one expired six days ago. [...] Israel Strikes Hamas in GazaBY TAYLOR MARSH 12.27.2008 http://tinyurl.com/8af6af http://tinyurl.com/8af6af Al Jazeera Report Youtube: Israel launches missile attacks on Gaza http://tinyurl.com/9vzhh4 http://tinyurl.com/9vzhh4 Hamas press conference on the event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKLO-16qFmI It really could have only ended this way http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palest\ inians after the Egypt brokered peace exploded recently. Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni was in Egypt on Christmas Day, warning President Hosni Mubarak that Israel wasn't going to allow Hamas' continuous attacks inside Israel http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-25-voa26.cfm without a response. This story http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230111710874pagename=JPost\ %2FJPArticle%2FShowFull was in the TM headlines all day yesterday. Just call it foreshadowing of today's events. The AP reports Israel stuck Hamas targets after weeks of rocket and mortar fire http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinia\ ns into Israel from Hamas: Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, killing nearly 200 people and wounding 270 others in the single bloodiest day of fighting in years. Most of those killed were security men, but civilians were also among the dead. Hamas said all of its security installations were hit and responded with several medium-range Grad rockets at Israel, reaching deeper than in the past. One Israeli was killed and at least four people were wounded in the rocket attacks. With so many wounded, the Palestinian death toll was likely to rise. The air offensive followed weeks of intense Palestinian rocket and mortar fire on southern Israel, and Israeli leaders had issued increasingly tough warnings in recent days that they would not tolerate continued attacks. [...] I actually heard the MSNBC host Alex Witt ask about the possibility of a peace agreement before Bush leaves office. It was surreal. Nobody has done less in the last two decades than the Bush administration to make the Middle East more unstable. That anyone could offer with a straight face any possibility of peace at this point shows the lack of rational deduction utilized when speaking of the Israeli - Palestinian reality we face. The problem Israel faces is that international public opinion is against them, especially after the blocking of humanitarian aid to the Palestinians. The reality of national self defense is lost on Israeli critics right now, because of what is seen as heavy handedness over the aid issue. Israel is losing the public relations war, even as it fights to protect its own citizens, something that is the first priority of any country's leaders. Barack Obama certainly has his hands full when he comes in to office. That's the real legacy George W. Bush leaves the new president. Is the world any safer after Bush-Cheney? is the real question that should be asked. The answer is obvious.
[FairfieldLife] The Times They Are a-Changin'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Apple Quicktime Help
On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:51 PM, Peter wrote: I'm trying to download itunes on my computer for the iphone I got from Santa. The installation is almost complete when this window pops-up: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion \Uninstall\Quicktime It says that it could not open this key. What to do? Thanks. I take it you're installing it on a Windows machine? Unfortunately I can't help much there. I was uninstall QT, reboot and then attempt a reinstall. Apple's Windows support site comes up with the following: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1926 Summary If you are having trouble installing iTunes or QuickTime for Windows, follow the troubleshooting suggestions described in this article. Products Affected QuickTime for Windows, iTunes 7 for Windows, Microsoft Windows 2000, XP, and Vista Make sure you have admin access To install iTunes or QuickTime software, you need to be logged in as an administrator on the computer. If you're not sure if you have administrator access, contact the owner of the computer or your system administrator. Get the latest Windows updates The first thing to do when troubleshooting an installation issue on a Windows computer is make sure you have the latest Microsoft Windows updates installed—to get the latest updates, go to the Microsoft Windows Update page. iTunes and QuickTime software for Windows require Microsoft Windows XP or Microsoft Windows Vista with latest Service Pack installed. Solutions to common installation errors Here are some common symptoms you may see when installing iTunes and QuickTime for Microsoft Windows. If you are experiencing one of these symptoms, try the suggested troubleshooting steps: iTunes and QuickTime for Windows XP cannot be installed without Visual Basic Script (VBScript) iTunes for Windows: Disk is locked or iTunes folder cannot be found when installing or opening iTunes iTunes 7 or later for Windows Installation stops responding while registering modules QuickTime or iTunes Installer Could not open key alert stops install on Windows iTunes: Windows reports that iTunesSetup.exe is not a valid Win32 application Bonjour service failed to start, verify you have sufficient privileges error message when installing If you are not seeing one of these specific symptoms, or if the suggested steps do not help, proceed to the General Installation Troubleshooting section below. General installation troubleshooting Important: A majority of customers experience successful iTunes installation after completing these troubleshooting procedures. If one does not help, proceed to the next. Completely remove iTunes and QuickTime Empty your Temp directory and restart Clean up iTunes installer files on the computer Download QuickTime Standalone Installer Disable other conflicting software Make sure your folder names don't contain strange characters
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apple Quicktime Help
QuickTime or iTunes Installer Could not open key alert stops install on Windows Last Modified: May 29, 2008 Article: TS1462 Old Article: 304546 Symptoms When installing QuickTime for Windows or iTunes + QuickTime for Windows, the installation may halt with the following error message: Could not open key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes \QuickTimePlayerLib.QuickTimePlayerApp\CLSID. Verify that you have sufficient access to that key, or contact your support personnel. Products Affected QuickTime 7 (Windows), iTunes 7.0.1 for Windows, iTunes 7 for Windows Resolution Install iTunes 7.0.2 or later while logged into a user account with administrator privileges. Note: If you are seeing this message when using the QuickTime standalone installer, ensure you are using QuicKTime 7.1.4 or later. If the issue persists with iTunes 7.0.2 or later or QuickTime 7.1.4 or later, it is possible you are installing iTunes or QuickTime with an administrator user account different than the one used in previous installations of iTunes or QuickTime. If this is the case and you still have the original administrator user account on the computer, try installing from this original administrator user account. If the issue persists beyond these two steps, there is an issue with one or more keys the QuickTime installer needs to access in the registry. Resolving this issue will require either reinstalling Windows, using a third-party registry utility, or manually editing the registry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOP chair 'appalled' by 'Magic Negro' CD
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 3:27 PM, do.rflex wrote: Duncan's statement, in full: The 2008 election was a wake-up call for Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party. I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate as it clearly does not move us in the right direction. Hard to believe-- the Repugs have been dishing out this divisive crap for decades now, it's all they have left, and is oh so much easier than coming up with some actual solutions. More likely he's just appalled they got caught. I wouldn't expect any new direction any time soon. Sal ...it's all they have left Those who are continuing the crap are becoming less and less relevant and more and more marginalized to the outer fringes of looneyville. They're slowly slithering back under their rocks where they came from before having been enabled and empowered by the loud, divisive right wing propaganda Bush/Cheney GOP Destruction Machine. I wonder how this woman at the 2004 GOP convention feels today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/169_bandaid.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOP chair 'appalled' by 'Magic Negro' CD
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: do.rflex, Thanks for posting this. If Saltsman wins the RNC chairmanship with the help of far right Fundies, Huckabee and Frist, the Republican xenophobic, homophobic, racist brand is dead. They will have run out of voters they don't fear and hate. With Saltsman's leadership, the RNC will fight a losing battle against diversity in America, which is here to stay, they're just not ready to admit it. Here's an apt cartoon that captures the essence: http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/jp/2008/jp081227.gif
[FairfieldLife] The Essence Of Spiritual Writing
[ This post is pure opinion, too. Same caveat as before. I'm not looking for argument, because in matters of opinion no one can win an argument. Discussion and taking the subject further, on the other hand, are way cool. :-) ] I've been thinking lately about the art of spiritual writing, and what makes it an art. For me (and please remember the caveat above, and that this really is personal opinion, not a declaration of fact), great spiritual writing is not about the sharing of ideas. It's about the sharing of experience. A writer can pontificate about ideas all day. A reader can ponder them, and believe that he or she has understood these ideas. But what if the ideas are about a different state of attention? Can the reader ever really claim to have understood them if he or she has not shared the writer's state of attention? My favorite spiritual writers shift the reader's state of attention. And they have different ways of doing this. Some shift their readers' states of attention by using metaphor to hint at (a finger pointing to the moon) an experience that isn't *really* the thing they're talking about, but points at it in the sense that if the reader can get the metaphor experience, they can begin to intuit the real experience. If, as a writer, you can come up with a metaphorical pointer to an experience that you can't adequately describe, and the reader gets the metaphorical experience, then perhaps you have pointed them in the right direction of getting or, even better, *having* that other experience, the one you can't describe. I tend to believe that spiritual writing that does this is of a somewhat higher order than writing that presents only ideas. Other writers shift their readers' state of attention in a kind of Zen or Tantric way, by presenting a situation or a story that is fraught with contradiction, as if its elements just don't go together. In other words, they create a sense of cognitive dissonance in the reader, some contradiction that seems to need resolving. And whether the contradiction ever can be resolved or not, there seems to be something about the process of *trying* to resolve it that shifts the reader's state of attention. Another technique that seems to work to shift the reader's state of attention is telling tales of power. This is not the same thing as telling stories. This is a higher order storytelling, bardic or shamanic storytelling, in which the storyteller attempts to tell the story of how something that happened to him *personally* shifted *his* state of attention, and tell it well enough that someone else can get a feeling for that experience, or possibly even exper- ience it themselves. It's pure magic when this happens, and I wish there were more instances of it. Anyway, those are my Sunday morning cafe-by-the-sea musings on the art of spiritual writing. I understand that there are many who really, truly enjoy spiritual writing that is a presentation of ideas, and trying to understand those ideas. But it seems to me that the only thing that can think it understands something is a self. So this type of writing doesn't really appeal to me all that much these days. I tend to prefer stuff that points me in the direction of selflessness, by taking me out of my self, or at the very least shifting the current one's point of view radically enough that I notice the shift. My assessment of a spiritual book is based on how much it shifts my perception of and appreciation of Here And Now, not on how eloquently it can discuss ideas about Here And Now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Times They Are a-Changin'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: http://tinyurl.com/8989ty In a word, brilliant.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Peter L Sutphen wrote: I feel so unloved! ;-) Sent from my iPhone Did you get an iPhone for Xmas Pete? In case you're still feeling unloved, here's Vaj's favorite iPhone/iPod Touch apps: I don't have an iPhone, but I understand you can do Pandora (streaming music service) on it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collected Papers
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of min.pige Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collected Papers what are they? They are 6 big blue volumes compiling all the research in TM.
[FairfieldLife] Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Palestinian loss of land 1946-2005 before1919trans Jordan
All of Palestine was divvied @ or by the Balfour declaration Jordan to B for Arabs etc. the western part west of the jordan was reserved for Isrial. this was pater seized by the arib forces 1947-48 In a message dated 12/28/2008 8:49:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, do.rf...@yahoo.com writes: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/ Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Then they could get the Chinese out of Tibet and the world will be on track to a genuine phase transition towards Peace on Earth. Change we can believe in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collected Papers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: A friend of mine wants to borrow the Collected Papers for a project he's doing. If anyone has a set they can lend him, let me know and I'll give you the details. My local Oxfam charity shop has my old set, I'm sure they'll do you a good deal just to clear them off the shelves. They'll have to factor in a flight to England though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple Quicktime Help
Somebody whose posts Peter reads, please reply to this and quote the whole thing, otherwise he won't see it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: I'm trying to download itunes on my computer for the iphone I got from Santa. Just to clarify, you've already *successfully* downloaded it, and you're now trying to install it, right? The installation is almost complete when this window pops-up: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall \Quicktime Peter, if you Google the above string--the whole thing--you'll get a whole bunch of hits of folks reporting problems with opening that key. If you do the search on Yahoo you'll get even more hits. Don't know if any of the proposed solutions will work in your situation, but it's obviously a common problem. See if you can find a recent report (some of them are years old) from someone using the same version of Windows you're using. Did the message give you an error number? If so, you might also try Googling (or Yahooing) the error number. (I took a look at the iTunes support forums, and the ones on installation problems are *crammed* with cries for help dated from December 25 on, from folks who got an iPhone for Christmas. Didn't see any referring to that key, but I just took a quick look. Try doing a search under Search Discussions-- not the more general Search at the top of the page-- for the key.) It says that it could not open this key. What to do? Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
Creating Israel was the first and the biggest mistake the UN ever made. It was a time when western nations were still locked into the idea that it was OK to steal property from non-whites. It was the last gasp of colonialism. We still have to live with the consequences today. Would Islamic fanaticism exist if Israel had never been created? Probably not. Would you have to be practically strip searched every time you fly if Israel had never been created? Definitely not. Would 3 trillion of tax dollars have been poured into Iraqi sand if Israel didn't exist? No. And what do we get in return for all this money spent and inconvenience put up with? A promise that if all Jews return to Israel the second coming might happen. Mmmm, yeah right. We've been mugged. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/
[FairfieldLife] Hate Radio
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'
Robert, Thanks for the reply. The sacred loving heart who deigns to live with me scolded me for my harsh vibe in that post to you -- shocking me, cuz, I thought I was just laying out a general complaint with only a titch of rib elbowing. So your reply, pure hearted and free of any rancor, really was a powerful modeling for all FFL to see. You held your space and dealt with the challenge with simple, innocent, honesty. I bow. Seems that you have a siddhi I know not of. I was this: http://xkcd.com/386/ You were this: http://tinyurl.com/9r5mmb Thanks for the Sunday morning sermon. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Robert, Can you put the below into your own words? I'm betting you can't. Reason being: my experience with words like the below is that no one really understands them without a tremendous amount of extra-thinking about them. If one doesn't dwell upon them for perhaps dozens of iterations, the truths that the words are attempting to target simply cannot be significantly experienced by the reader's mind. (snip) I agree with you, this was just a 'mind-bender'... I had the feeling that it wasn't the best post ever, but thought I would post it anyway... Next time, I will take your advice and edit that which I cannot explain in my own words... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] You're Likable Enough, Gay People
December 28, 2008 Op-Ed Columnist You're Likable Enough, Gay People By FRANK RICH IN his first press conference after his reelection in 2004, President Bush memorably declared, I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. We all know how that turned out As we saw during primary season, our president- elect is not free of his own brand of hubris and arrogance, and sometimes it comes before a fall: You're likable enough, Hillary was the prelude to his defeat in New Hampshire. He has hit this same note again by assigning the invocation at his inauguration to the Rev. Rick Warren, the Orange County, Calif., megachurch preacher who has likened committed gay relationships to incest, polygamy and an older guy marrying a child. Bestowing this honor on Warren was a conscious and glib decision by Obama to spend political capital. It was made with the certitude that a leader with a mandate can do no wrong ...But there's a difference between including Warren among the cacophony of voices weighing in on policy and anointing him as the inaugural's de facto pope. You can't blame V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop and an early Obama booster, for feeling as if he'd been slapped in the face. I'm all for Rick Warren being at the table, he told The Times, but we're talking about putting someone up front and center at what will be the most-watched inauguration in history, and asking his blessing in the nation. And the God that he's praying to is not the God that I know. Warren, whose ego is no less than Obama's, likes to advertise his commitment to model civility in America. But as Rachel Maddow of MSNBC reminded her audience, comparing gay relationships to child abuse is a strange model of civility. Less strange but equally hard to take is Warren's defensive insistence that some of his best friends are the gays: His boasts of having eaten dinner in gay homes and loving Melissa Etheridge records will not protect any gay families' civil rights. Equally lame is the argument mounted by an Obama spokeswoman, Linda Douglass, who talks of how Warren has fought for people who have H.I.V./ AIDS. Shouldn't that be the default position of any religious leader? Fighting AIDS is not a get- out-of-homophobia-free card Unlike Bush, Obama has been the vocal advocate of gay civil rights he claims to be. It is over the top to assert, as a gay writer at Time did, that the president-elect is a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot. Much more to the point is the astute criticism leveled by the gay Democratic congressman Barney Frank, who, in dissenting from the Warren choice, said of Obama, I think he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences. That's a polite way of describing the Obama cockinessObama may not only overestimate his ability to bridge some of our fundamental differences but also underestimate how persistent some of those differences are When Obama defends Warren's words by calling them an example of the wide range of viewpoints in a diverse and noisy and opinionated America, he is being too cute by half. He knows full well that a viewpoint defaming any minority group by linking it to sexual crimes like pedophilia is unacceptable. It is even more toxic in a year when that group has been marginalized and stripped of its rights by ballot initiatives fomenting precisely such fears. You've got to give them hope was the refrain of the pioneering 1970s gay politician Harvey Milk, so stunningly brought back to life by Sean Penn on screen this winter. Milk reminds us that hope has to mean action, not just words. ...It's bizarre that Obama, of all people, would allow himself to be on the wrong side of this history Read the whole thing: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/opinion/28rich.html?_r=1ref=opinion http://tinyurl.com/8bu6oh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: Creating Israel was the first and the biggest mistake the UN ever made. It was a time when western nations were still locked into the idea that it was OK to steal property from non-whites. It was the last gasp of colonialism. We still have to live with the consequences today. Would Islamic fanaticism exist if Israel had never been created? Probably not. Would you have to be practically strip searched every time you fly if Israel had never been created? Definitely not. Would 3 trillion of tax dollars have been poured into Iraqi sand if Israel didn't exist? No. And what do we get in return for all this money spent and inconvenience put up with? A promise that if all Jews return to Israel the second coming might happen. Mmmm, yeah right. We've been mugged. We've been mugged for sure. But that's never as bad as being forced out of your home. Having your only means of income destroyed. Seen your town bulldozed and rich foreigners build homes on the ruins from which they shoot at you. Been denied education and medical help. Denied clean water. Denied the right to travel in your own country. The list of abuse at the hands of Israel and consequently us is depressingly long. Why not put something back? http://www.map-uk.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: snip We've been mugged for sure. But that's never as bad as being forced out of your home. Having your only means of income destroyed. Seen your town bulldozed and rich foreigners build homes on the ruins from which they shoot at you. Been denied education and medical help. Denied clean water. Denied the right to travel in your own country. The list of abuse at the hands of Israel and consequently us (Or vice-versa...) is depressingly long. On another forum, my sister made the point recently that you simply can't draw an equivalence, as so many do, between the powerful, militaristic state of Israel and the (relatively) powerless Palestinians. It's the former that has to find a way to make peace with the latter, not the reverse. Why not put something back? http://www.map-uk.org/
[FairfieldLife] A Meditation on Murder: The Israeli assault on Gaza
What we are witnessing in Israel's deadly attack on Gaza today is really at the intersection of many different things. First, it is a particularly deadly campaign stunt. Israel's current government is led by the Kadima party. Kadima started out as the personal political vehicle of Ariel Sharon. Sharon was known as the Butcher of Beirut and was a notable hawk in Israeli politics. He eventually came to the view that the best way to deal with the Palestinians was to wall them off from Israel and to forget about them. This walling off process necessarily entailed taking a fair amount of what little land remained to the Palestinians. It says a lot about America's political elites and media that they considered these views not only moderate and reasonable but clear evidence that Sharon was a man of peace. It says even more about Israeli politics that Sharon's plan was criticized by his country's right. This brings up my second point. Although it is hard to imagine, Israel's political leaders are even more intellectually and morally bankrupt than our own. After Sharon had a brain hemorrhage, most of Kadima's raison d'être disappeared but such was the dearth of leadership that it continued on as the principal party in Israeli politics. Sharon was replaced by Ehud Olmert. It was he who decided to initiate the disastrous bombing campaign and invasion of Lebanon in July-August 2006, which devastated that country to no purpose and led to Israel's strategic and embarrassing defeat by Hezbollah. Yet despite widespread charges of incompetence, the absence of any saner alternative to Olmert allowed him to hold on to power for two more years until a long simmering corruption scandal finally brought him down. With elections approaching, Kadima's principal rival was Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu, a well dressed Israeli fascist. As for the Labor party, it is largely a spent force and was further weakened by its participation in inept coalition governments with Kadima. Israel's right which makes up most of the country's political spectrum is a strange and deeply unsettling place seldom visited by American politicians and media precisely because of the great ugliness that resides there. It has a religious component which begins somewhere around Sarah Palin and goes to places that we would think they were kidding except they are not. It also has a neocon wing. Even Labor which is often thought of (mistakenly) as left of center on national security issues is filled with them. Those in Kadima are, as Sharon was, even harder line. And then there is Likud and Benjamin Netanyahu even beyond them. Netanyahu does not see Palestinians as people but as enemies. He is not interested in peace but in defeating those he sees as his enemies. His is a vision of endless war because the alternative for him would be to actually acknowledge the rights of the Palestinian people but these he sees as an existential threat and is completely unwilling to address them. With Netanyahu in power the likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran would greatly increase as well. Since conventional forces would be ineffective, there is a real risk that such a strike would be nuclear in nature. Now this may sound crazy, and it is, but as I said before this is the nitty gritty of Israeli politics that our politicians and media refuse to look at because it would be hard to defend even for them. Kadima killed 155 Palestinians today to show to potential Likud voters that they can be just as tough on the Palestinians as Likud. This wasn't a military strike about some inaccurate and largely ineffective missiles. It wasn't even about Hamas and its control of Gaza. This was, in fact, a murderous form of political advertizing and electioneering. Third, this brutal and unnecessary attack raises larger issues. There are always larger issues. The US financial meltdown as well as fallout from the Madoff scandal will hamper traditional financial support for Israel by Jewish Americans. Israel's own economy will likely be hit hard by the global recession. Given the kneejerk backing by our political elites, Israel should still receive its current support from the US government but this will be insufficient to make up for the shortfalls in other areas. Less money means that divisions within Israeli society are likely to increase as various groups try to hold on to their pieces of a shrinking pie. One of the principal ways Israelis have managed to avoid dealing with the issue of Palestine is because they have been largely insulated from the consequences of their policies there. They have lived in a bubble of prosperity. With the world recession this will become increasingly difficult for them to do. Today's attack also shows just how worthless Bush and Condoleezza Rice's policies with regard to Israel-Palestine have been. I have chronicled for years Rice's ridiculous and absurd announcements on talks for talks about talks to begin discussions leading to
Re: [FairfieldLife] No Golden Rules
If there had not been certain golden rules, there would not have been any upsurges of creation at all. Nothing is without a rule, even the biggest free-made decisions follow certain rules. It is only the question, whether you are able to recognize the same or not, and whether it is necessary to be aware of them or not in order to be capable of making a free decision. If the authentic man lives in awareness and his heart, then he will live in the greatest embeddedness of golden rules. There is nothing but law and order in nature, but for sure grounded in a vast bed of freedom. Osho I already liked in the seventies, because he was the strongest pseudo- spiritual gabbler I have ever met in the scene. A real fountain of factoids. But thanks for the nice picture. Hagen
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Meditation on Murder: The Israeli assault on Gaza
-Speaking of supporting Israel in their time of need, a great way is to buy Israel Bonds: http://www.israelbonds.com/israelbonds/HQ_CONTENTS/HQ_pages/home.aspx History About State of Israel Bonds State of Israel Bonds has been, and continues to be, an integral part of Israel's evolution into a modern, progressive nation. Joshua Matza, an 18-year member of the Knesset and minister of health in the government of Benjamin Netanyahu, has served as president and CEO since 2002. Nation Building The idea to float bonds was conceived by Prime Minister David Ben- Gurion. His vision was two-fold: to secure crucial funding for immigrant absorption and the construction of vital infrastructure; and to engage Diaspora Jewry in the building and development of the new Jewish state. Israel bond purchases now total more than $25 billion. A Legacy of Achievement Proceeds from the sale of Israel bonds are utilized by Israel's Finance Ministry for key economic projects. Many of these projects were essential to solidifying Israel's post-independence economy: The National Water Carrier The Dead Sea Works Port construction Alternative energy resources Looking to the Future As Israel builds for new generations, it turns to the Israel Bonds organization to assist in undertakings including: Development in the Galilee Reclamation of the Negev Expansion of transportation networks Enhancing export potential -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: What we are witnessing in Israel's deadly attack on Gaza today is really at the intersection of many different things. First, it is a particularly deadly campaign stunt. Israel's current government is led by the Kadima party. Kadima started out as the personal political vehicle of Ariel Sharon. Sharon was known as the Butcher of Beirut and was a notable hawk in Israeli politics. He eventually came to the view that the best way to deal with the Palestinians was to wall them off from Israel and to forget about them. This walling off process necessarily entailed taking a fair amount of what little land remained to the Palestinians. It says a lot about America's political elites and media that they considered these views not only moderate and reasonable but clear evidence that Sharon was a man of peace. It says even more about Israeli politics that Sharon's plan was criticized by his country's right. This brings up my second point. Although it is hard to imagine, Israel's political leaders are even more intellectually and morally bankrupt than our own. After Sharon had a brain hemorrhage, most of Kadima's raison d'être disappeared but such was the dearth of leadership that it continued on as the principal party in Israeli politics. Sharon was replaced by Ehud Olmert. It was he who decided to initiate the disastrous bombing campaign and invasion of Lebanon in July- August 2006, which devastated that country to no purpose and led to Israel's strategic and embarrassing defeat by Hezbollah. Yet despite widespread charges of incompetence, the absence of any saner alternative to Olmert allowed him to hold on to power for two more years until a long simmering corruption scandal finally brought him down. With elections approaching, Kadima's principal rival was Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu, a well dressed Israeli fascist. As for the Labor party, it is largely a spent force and was further weakened by its participation in inept coalition governments with Kadima. Israel's right which makes up most of the country's political spectrum is a strange and deeply unsettling place seldom visited by American politicians and media precisely because of the great ugliness that resides there. It has a religious component which begins somewhere around Sarah Palin and goes to places that we would think they were kidding except they are not. It also has a neocon wing. Even Labor which is often thought of (mistakenly) as left of center on national security issues is filled with them. Those in Kadima are, as Sharon was, even harder line. And then there is Likud and Benjamin Netanyahu even beyond them. Netanyahu does not see Palestinians as people but as enemies. He is not interested in peace but in defeating those he sees as his enemies. His is a vision of endless war because the alternative for him would be to actually acknowledge the rights of the Palestinian people but these he sees as an existential threat and is completely unwilling to address them. With Netanyahu in power the likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran would greatly increase as well. Since conventional forces would be ineffective, there is a real risk that such a strike would be nuclear in nature. Now this may sound crazy, and it is, but as I said before this is the nitty gritty of Israeli politics that our politicians and media refuse to look at
[FairfieldLife] Re: Merry Christmas!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip It's the me being the personification of evil thang that Judy talks about so often. Well, you know, if Barry wasn't constantly pleading with me to go to bed with him, I wouldn't have to keep talking about him as the personification of evil. (Note to the terminally literal: Barry's never begged me to go to bed with him, just as I've never talked about him as the personification of evil. I just thought I'd make up a hallucination to go with his.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Meditation on Murder: The Israeli assault on Gaza
you forgot to mention that Hamas are a bunch of peace loving angels that would never hurt anyone in any way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: What we are witnessing in Israel's deadly attack on Gaza today is really at the intersection of many different things. First, it is a particularly deadly campaign stunt. Israel's current government is led by the Kadima party. Kadima started out as the personal political vehicle of Ariel Sharon. Sharon was known as the Butcher of Beirut and was a notable hawk in Israeli politics. He eventually came to the view that the best way to deal with the Palestinians was to wall them off from Israel and to forget about them. This walling off process necessarily entailed taking a fair amount of what little land remained to the Palestinians. It says a lot about America's political elites and media that they considered these views not only moderate and reasonable but clear evidence that Sharon was a man of peace. It says even more about Israeli politics that Sharon's plan was criticized by his country's right. This brings up my second point. Although it is hard to imagine, Israel's political leaders are even more intellectually and morally bankrupt than our own. After Sharon had a brain hemorrhage, most of Kadima's raison d'être disappeared but such was the dearth of leadership that it continued on as the principal party in Israeli politics. Sharon was replaced by Ehud Olmert. It was he who decided to initiate the disastrous bombing campaign and invasion of Lebanon in July- August 2006, which devastated that country to no purpose and led to Israel's strategic and embarrassing defeat by Hezbollah. Yet despite widespread charges of incompetence, the absence of any saner alternative to Olmert allowed him to hold on to power for two more years until a long simmering corruption scandal finally brought him down. With elections approaching, Kadima's principal rival was Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu, a well dressed Israeli fascist. As for the Labor party, it is largely a spent force and was further weakened by its participation in inept coalition governments with Kadima. Israel's right which makes up most of the country's political spectrum is a strange and deeply unsettling place seldom visited by American politicians and media precisely because of the great ugliness that resides there. It has a religious component which begins somewhere around Sarah Palin and goes to places that we would think they were kidding except they are not. It also has a neocon wing. Even Labor which is often thought of (mistakenly) as left of center on national security issues is filled with them. Those in Kadima are, as Sharon was, even harder line. And then there is Likud and Benjamin Netanyahu even beyond them. Netanyahu does not see Palestinians as people but as enemies. He is not interested in peace but in defeating those he sees as his enemies. His is a vision of endless war because the alternative for him would be to actually acknowledge the rights of the Palestinian people but these he sees as an existential threat and is completely unwilling to address them. With Netanyahu in power the likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran would greatly increase as well. Since conventional forces would be ineffective, there is a real risk that such a strike would be nuclear in nature. Now this may sound crazy, and it is, but as I said before this is the nitty gritty of Israeli politics that our politicians and media refuse to look at because it would be hard to defend even for them. Kadima killed 155 Palestinians today to show to potential Likud voters that they can be just as tough on the Palestinians as Likud. This wasn't a military strike about some inaccurate and largely ineffective missiles. It wasn't even about Hamas and its control of Gaza. This was, in fact, a murderous form of political advertizing and electioneering. Third, this brutal and unnecessary attack raises larger issues. There are always larger issues. The US financial meltdown as well as fallout from the Madoff scandal will hamper traditional financial support for Israel by Jewish Americans. Israel's own economy will likely be hit hard by the global recession. Given the kneejerk backing by our political elites, Israel should still receive its current support from the US government but this will be insufficient to make up for the shortfalls in other areas. Less money means that divisions within Israeli society are likely to increase as various groups try to hold on to their pieces of a shrinking pie. One of the principal ways Israelis have managed to avoid dealing with the issue of Palestine is because they have been largely insulated from the consequences of their policies there. They have lived in a bubble of prosperity. With the world recession this will
[FairfieldLife] A scam, with no basis in science?
Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/a7ghb3
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: its a good quote-- And good means what to you? Are you saying that this kind of text message has any value of significance to daily life without there being required a reader who is vastly prepared to resonate with it and, indeed, have that blurb's truth as handy as amalak fruit on the palm of that reader's hand with which to project the meaning into the words? The words are useless without a prepared nervous system -- children or bumpkins et al cannot be expected to be bettered by the reading of the message, so unless there's a specific nervous system being targeted, only sold-out Abraham followers could be expected to grok the purport of the message. And then, even then, only the s0-called enlightened ones can be relied upon to really ferret out the purport -- no follower of Abraham would think his message was so clearly understood that they could write it out in their own words and have it be as authentic as Abraham's statement -- just like TMers thinking only Maharishi could comment on the Gita. Hence, why post the blurb except as an attention getter for Robert? If all you're saying is that the text conveys a meaning that an ordinary English speaking person can take a test on the content of the message and get C+ or higher rating from Abraham, then the posting of the blurb becomes almost trollishwell, okay, trollish period. Clearly, any posting has the onus of being reasonably expected to deliver some sort of edification/value, but what is that value to the unprepared, the un-sold-outers, or the sold-out-to-something-elsers? Again, what is good? The reading of it cannot be scientifically measured to show improvements of consciousness, so it would be an act of faith only to read this message and hope to gain from the reading of it. The message in no way instructs one how to apply this knowledge -- quick, how do you get a gallon of non-physical energy to wash off the day's dirt from the soul? See? Like my facecious question, it's gobbledeegook. what it means is that the state of natural grace is one of not resisting, of acceptance, Pure poetry -- snakeoil talk actually. The best minds on the planet cannot define the words of your statement with any consistency amongst their various interpretations. You're defending poety with merely more poetry. (Hey, you're not talking about congnative dissonance are you? Don't think so.) and in order to live in that state requires an ego, So, even though the world's gurus are screaming dump the ego, kill the ego, my ego is dead, etc., you're saying that the ego has a spiritual functionality that is necessary. Care to tussle with the great minds about which side of that fence one should adopt? Don't bother, because it's JUST WORDS. a sense of self, All the gurus say the self cannot be sensed.so again, this is poetry -- the words sense and self can have many meanings. an enjoyment of ourselves as individuals. Again, poetry; for how can the self enjoy the self -- are there two selves such that we can posit one of them as the object of the other's awareness? Corelatively, are the selves of others somehow defined as different from other selves such that they can be distinguished from each other? And if one self can be aware of other selves yet not be expected to be enlightened and have a nervous system capable of this astoundingly subtle feat, the whole logical structure is bogus. How can I know another if I don't know my own self purely? However, this sense of ourselves can also be used prior to living this state of grace, Poetry. A state of grace is knowing the self, but you can have grace without knowning the self -- to dwell upon this only makes sense if we're in a Zen temple and doing a koan. And how can a sense of anything be used without decades of practice in an ashram in which one daily tries to intergrate axiomatic values with personality? And certainly, you're not saying that the message takes one to the self; certainly the message is a relative thing that requires effort to apply a value to a system. The message without an ashram and a guru is at best a pearl tossed to swine -- defacto troll thrown rocks. to exclude ourselves from that which may be helpful. Geeze, that which may be helpful? Talk about your fuzzy mean- anything statements. not a bad quote, though it is vague with regards to any sort of guideline on how to act without getting in our own way. Here you assume that there is an actor and a way. Come on, are you kidding me? Do you opine that you can define these terms without writing a huge tome of philosophical treatment that handles all the side-issues of free will, truth, consciousness, conditioned
[FairfieldLife] Inquiry vs Meditation (Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho)
yifuxero wrote: Thinking of Nothing (blank mind?)? There's no necessary connection to Transcendence. Dead people have blank minds. Words, words, words. How to make them impactful? Ya gotta put the intellect onto this thinking of nothing until it reveals its basic philosophical axioms instead of being an empty blurb passing through the mind so swiftly that its potency to ignite Advaitic self inquiry is but briefly experienced. How could a mind think of nothing? It can't, because thoughts are things, and the mind is only a parade of thoughts. Without thoughts, no mind. Even pure Amness is a thought, a process of a nervous system that Identity is flowing into (attachment.) Identity is the sought, the eternal. It is Identity, not the mind, that can survive being unmanifest. It's about identification slipping off of the activities of a meat robot and onto the Absolute -- a turning of identification to its source, Identity -- or, at least onto Amness from whence it may then slip onto the Absolute. Dead people don't have minds, yes, so that's proof that one isn't the mind if one has as an axiom that one's true state is eternal; the mind dies, so what doesn't die? -- and how does one identify with it? Only the purest silence can be eternal since all processing must obey the law of entropy eventually -- ask Indra how many lifetimes as Indra preceded him. How can the ego be satisfied with such an identification when it is commonly found firehosing isness like a ceaseless parade of mask wearing? The mind is always found to be saying I'm that. Now, I'm that. No, wait, I'm this now. Each this-that that we say we are is like placing our treasure (Identity) where moth and rust doth corrupt. We are not new cars waiting for our first dent, and though we are ever so certain that thoughts R us, they too will be dented and finally die and leave us bereft of an object of consciousness to glom onto for the sake of embodying Identity. Only the silence of Amness (a glorious illusion, the noisiest noise what am: OM) will remain if all expressionism is stymied by transcending thought, but Amness too will die with the body. And the good news is: Amness is identification waiting for an impulse of the Absolute to engender an expression -- a mind dwelling upon Amness is like an arrow fully drawn back, and from that stance, from that dynamic stillness, in that perfect illusion of silence, the pure mind (still existing but not doing) that can find itself suddenly not enough or too claustrophobic, such that whatever is identifying with it must spontaneously (via grace) expand its definition of self to include the other half of the yinyang thangy -- white side is all the processing possible and the dark side is not that light side, but a side nonetheless. In that Amness, Identity finds that it has a true choice to be or not to be. It can manifest all the things possible that can be identified with, and/or it can also be where no hat can hang. Beyond thingness, (ask Godel how limited thingness is,) is that which cannot be expressed by any system of axioms. Godel teaches that not all truths can be expressed by any system no matter how complex it might be. Godel says, You can't get there from here -- you can only get there by not starting out here. Yet that 'there' exists. The mind can be stilled down to one primal thought which is the home of all knowledge but not the home of all-knowledge-that-cannot-be-expressed. Only the Absolute can be said to encompass that which cannot be expressed. The ultimate mind, say, Lord Brahma's, can cognize the largest or least of all things graspable, but the Ineffable eluded His perfect mind for the 3000 years He sought it. Only tapas revealed it to Him. Seeking the Absolute exhausted Brahma to When asked, What is the difference between inquiry and meditation? Ramana replied: Inquiry consists in retaining the mind in the Self. Meditation consists in thinking that one's self is Brahman, existence-consciousness-bliss. And: Although the practices for achieving strength of mind are numerous, all of them achieve the same end. For it can be seen that whoever concentrates his mind on any object will, on the cessation of all mental concepts, ultimately remain merely as that object. This is called successful meditation (dhyana siddhi.) Those who follow the path of inquiry realize that the mind which remains at the end of inquiry is Brahman. Those who practice meditation realize that the mind which remains at the end of the meditation is the object of their meditation. As the result is the same in either case, it is the duty of aspirants to practice continuously either of these methods till the goal is reached. Note that Ramana is comfortable with Identity flowing into manifestation or with Identity remaining within itselfeither is realization. Inquiry is seen as directly going to Identity; meditation is seen as engaging the mind in a process of attending to ever
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Meditation on Murder: The Israeli assault on Gaza
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_re...@... wrote: you forgot to mention that Hamas are a bunch of peace loving angels that would never hurt anyone in any way. When you consider the following... Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005 Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/ ...and the way they've been treated for decades as inferior human beings with far less rights by a vastly superior and brutal military occupation it makes one think that no one can justifiably blame them for responding the way they have with whatever means and resources they can muster. You can bet your ass that Americans in America, under the same conditions as the Palestinians, would do no less to fight back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: What we are witnessing in Israel's deadly attack on Gaza today is really at the intersection of many different things. First, it is a particularly deadly campaign stunt. Israel's current government is led by the Kadima party. Kadima started out as the personal political vehicle of Ariel Sharon. Sharon was known as the Butcher of Beirut and was a notable hawk in Israeli politics. He eventually came to the view that the best way to deal with the Palestinians was to wall them off from Israel and to forget about them. This walling off process necessarily entailed taking a fair amount of what little land remained to the Palestinians. It says a lot about America's political elites and media that they considered these views not only moderate and reasonable but clear evidence that Sharon was a man of peace. It says even more about Israeli politics that Sharon's plan was criticized by his country's right. This brings up my second point. Although it is hard to imagine, Israel's political leaders are even more intellectually and morally bankrupt than our own. After Sharon had a brain hemorrhage, most of Kadima's raison d'être disappeared but such was the dearth of leadership that it continued on as the principal party in Israeli politics. Sharon was replaced by Ehud Olmert. It was he who decided to initiate the disastrous bombing campaign and invasion of Lebanon in July- August 2006, which devastated that country to no purpose and led to Israel's strategic and embarrassing defeat by Hezbollah. Yet despite widespread charges of incompetence, the absence of any saner alternative to Olmert allowed him to hold on to power for two more years until a long simmering corruption scandal finally brought him down. With elections approaching, Kadima's principal rival was Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu, a well dressed Israeli fascist. As for the Labor party, it is largely a spent force and was further weakened by its participation in inept coalition governments with Kadima. Israel's right which makes up most of the country's political spectrum is a strange and deeply unsettling place seldom visited by American politicians and media precisely because of the great ugliness that resides there. It has a religious component which begins somewhere around Sarah Palin and goes to places that we would think they were kidding except they are not. It also has a neocon wing. Even Labor which is often thought of (mistakenly) as left of center on national security issues is filled with them. Those in Kadima are, as Sharon was, even harder line. And then there is Likud and Benjamin Netanyahu even beyond them. Netanyahu does not see Palestinians as people but as enemies. He is not interested in peace but in defeating those he sees as his enemies. His is a vision of endless war because the alternative for him would be to actually acknowledge the rights of the Palestinian people but these he sees as an existential threat and is completely unwilling to address them. With Netanyahu in power the likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran would greatly increase as well. Since conventional forces would be ineffective, there is a real risk that such a strike would be nuclear in nature. Now this may sound crazy, and it is, but as I said before this is the nitty gritty of Israeli politics that our politicians and media refuse to look at because it would be hard to defend even for them. Kadima killed 155 Palestinians today to show to potential Likud voters that they can be just as tough on the Palestinians as Likud. This wasn't a military strike about some inaccurate and largely ineffective missiles. It wasn't even about Hamas and its control of Gaza. This was, in fact, a murderous form of political advertizing and electioneering. Third, this brutal and unnecessary attack raises larger issues. There are always larger issues. The US financial
[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. There is an element missing, however. How do the people in the group react when the group, its principles, its teachings, or its teacher are challenged? (And I pose this question with my experience with the Rama group as much in mind as my experience with TM). In other words, I'm adding the notion of over- identifying with the group to the mix. If a person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism of the group, as if the criticism was of him or her personally, then IMO that person has turned the group they are part of into a cult. There's also the notion--and probably the most prevalent in non- hardcore TM-cultists--is that of brand name loyalty and superiority, whereby through a merely conditioned set of TM-instruction factoids (many of them patently false) one protects their brand name product, often as if their little lives depended on it! After all, they're saturated by these factoids by everyone involved in TM: certainly their TM teachers, but also by other previously indoctrinated folks. Some examples of conditioned but false (often unquestioned assumptions) are effortless meditation and all other meditations which uses balanced attentional skills are inferior and/or straining; we're the best, they showed me the research, it must be true; further more advanced states of consciousness will spontaneously just happen, etc. It's a long list, but there are many brand-name superiority assumptions which are prevalent even at the level of the average Joe or Jane meditator. This IMO is the root of TM cultism, and not so much the dye-in-the-wool TMO True Believer that Peter describes, but in the acquisition of widespread brand-name falsehoods. that is why, you, our patron saint of FFL, will strive mightily and tirelessly to even turn the least brainwashed of us TM practitioners away from the mass assumptions of TM, towards the light and goodness and faux enlightenment of the almightly religion of Buddhism! not a chance...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/a7ghb3 Yes, but you can't expect me to believe that, as it conflicts with what Al Gore has told us. This chap Frank Tipler is only a physicist and mathematician. Whereas Gore created the Interweb don't you know! Also it is an established and certain fact that there is a consensus. The science is settled. Tipler disagrees - Ergo he is not, despite appearances, a proper scientist and so is NOT to be listened to. The fact that he knows he is not to be listened to, and yet is trying to confuse us by speaking out, in itself proves that he is in denial, suffers from cognitive dissonance, is a friend of bailed-out, bonus-happy bankers, pulls the wings off butterflies, and must certainly be in the pay of big oil. It's also a little-known fact that his third cousin (twice removed) thinks Bush's presidency was...(look away if you are easily offended): not all bad. Al Gore has also taken time out from his busy schedule to create the twelve days of Christmas: http://tinyurl.com/95bdfb
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Meditation on Murder: The Israeli assault on Gaza
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_re...@... wrote: you forgot to mention that Hamas are a bunch of peace loving angels that would never hurt anyone in any way. When you consider the following... Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005 Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/ ...and the way they've been treated for decades as inferior human beings with far less rights by a vastly superior and brutal military occupation it makes one think that no one can justifiably blame them for responding the way they have with whatever means and resources they can muster. You can bet your ass that Americans in America, under the same conditions as the Palestinians, would do no less to fight back. In between football games and American Idol.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/a7ghb3 Yes, but you can't expect me to believe that, as it conflicts with what Al Gore has told us. This chap Frank Tipler is only a physicist and mathematician. Whereas Gore created the Interweb don't you know! I just love FFL on the weekend and off hours. There are people who are not enslaved to rabid Zionism, the left wing, to furthering the gay agenda or whistling in the dark that they are not members of a cult because they don't own a Burger King hat. Thanks for the posts, guys. I have the science under my belt. More than enough science to dismiss Nobel prize winner and founder of the Internet Al Gore and all the sky is melting and man is the reason scientists. BTW, has anyone noticed that we're coming out of an ice age? The planet tends to go through such dramatic cycles. All alone, without humankind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Raj Spa
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM, bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Amyone here been to the Raj for Pancha Karma Aurvedic treatments recently? I just went for an Ayurvedic consult with Mark Toomey. I sponsored some people on PK treatments, one of whom stayed at the Raj during his PK. You have any questions about PK at the Raj? I could pass them on to my friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Merry Christmas!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip It's the me being the personification of evil thang that Judy talks about so often. Well, you know, if Barry wasn't constantly pleading with me to go to bed with him, I wouldn't have to keep talking about him as the personification of evil. (Note to the terminally literal: Barry's never begged me to go to bed with him, just as I've never talked about him as the personification of evil. I just thought I'd make up a hallucination to go with his.) It' called making the 'facts' fit the opinion...or, reasoning 'from' a conclusion and not 'to' a conclusion. I noticed a few of the posters do that here!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apple Quicktime Help
Peter wrote: I'm trying to download itunes on my computer for the iphone I got from Santa. The installation is almost complete when this window pops-up: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Quicktime It says that it could not open this key. What to do? Thanks. It sounds like the installer tries to create the entry and can't which may mean that it doesn't have permissions to do so. What level are you installing this from? There are often questions before the install begins such as: install just for me or install for everyone. If you tried just for me try everyone or vice-versa. What version of Windows are you using? XP or Vista?
Re: [FairfieldLife] No Golden Rules
Love needs no rules but awareness. Arhata If there had not been certain golden rules, there would not have been any upsurges of creation at all. Nothing is without a rule, even the biggest free-made decisions follow certain rules. It is only the question, whether you are able to recognize the same or not, and whether it is necessary to be aware of them or not in order to be capable of making a free decision. If the authentic man lives in awareness and his heart, then he will live in the greatest embeddedness of golden rules. There is nothing but law and order in nature, but for sure grounded in a vast bed of freedom. Osho I already liked in the seventies, because he was the strongest pseudo- spiritual gabbler I have ever met in the scene. A real fountain of factoids. But thanks for the nice picture. Hagen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/ Same thing could be said about America, it's 'occupied' territory, we need to give it back to the 'native' Americans!! NOW!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/a7ghb3
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Israeli End-Of-An-Era Escalation Sale
On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:06 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: OK, here's what this latest Israeli outrage looks like to me. It looks as if the Israeli leadership is panicky because the Old Guard has lost both power and credibility in the U.S., and a bunch of New People With Unknown Priorities are coming in and they are incredibly worried about what those Unknown Priorities might be. The Old Guard was dependable. They were neocons and Christian fundies who wanted, more than anything else, for the conflict between Israel and other Arab nations to continue. The neocons wanted this because the conflict kept putting money in their pockets from kickbacks they got from defense contractors. The fundies wanted it to continue because they fer- vently hope for the End Days, and think that Israel is the key to bringing them about. All of this meant lots and lots and lots of U.S. money and weapons being poured into Israel, and a continuation of the status quo. It's unbelievable, isn't it? Destruction and mindless defending the indefensible seems to be all Israel has left to offer. Like the neocons. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raj Spa
did your friends ever do PK in the past at the Raj? I had heard the Raj went down hill somewhat in quality and services over the past few years, did they notice that? I have not been in 5 years to the Raj for pk, but I am thinking about going for PK sometime in 09 and was curious if anything changed much there over the past 4 - 5 years, thanks much --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM, bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Amyone here been to the Raj for Pancha Karma Aurvedic treatments recently? I just went for an Ayurvedic consult with Mark Toomey. I sponsored some people on PK treatments, one of whom stayed at the Raj during his PK. You have any questions about PK at the Raj? I could pass them on to my friends.
[FairfieldLife] Native American Loss of Land before contact - present; was Palestinian loss
http://www.primarysourcelearning.org/teach/lq/007/images/nat_map.gif http://www.nps.gov/history/nagpra/IMAGES/RESMAP.GIF On Dec 28, 2008, at 8:49 AM, do.rflex wrote: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:01 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? Because the oil, coal and special interest backed scientists said so! And they've got the money in their pockets to prove it! Exxon puts out grant money for anyone wanting to disprove global warming. If you were a scientist, wouldn't you want an easy way to pay off YOUR mortgage? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. So what is a poor scientist to do? Go with the theory, or go with the facts? Is the current flat-lining of global temperatures just a blip that masks an underlying warming trend (for which we are at fault, especially you Yanks. Everything is self-evidently all your fault!)? Or does it invalidate the much-vaunted theory? To my mind that's an interesting question! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/a7ghb3
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:00 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/ Same thing could be said about America, it's 'occupied' territory, we need to give it back to the 'native' Americans!! NOW! Those damn Europeans!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Inquiry vs Meditation (Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho)
On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Duveyoung wrote: This is called successful meditation (dhyana siddhi.) Those who follow the path of inquiry realize that the mind which remains at the end of inquiry is Brahman. Actually, technically speaking, it's the vritti of Brahman that remains. What does that mean? It means you have to forget the vritti of Brahman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:01 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? Because the oil, coal and special interest backed scientists said so! And they've got the money in their pockets to prove it! Exxon puts out grant money for anyone wanting to disprove global warming. If you were a scientist, wouldn't you want an easy way to pay off YOUR mortgage? :-) Jeez - is this one of your Buddhist mantras? It DOES seem so hackneyed and repetitive... I wish we could do this test: Tomorrow on planet Earth A it is announced that Shock discovery! The theory of global warming is conclusively proved false. All climate scientists, bureaucrats, industries, carbon market traders, wind farm manufacturers, jolly junket international jamboree hospitality companies, journalists etc etc bound up with the industry will lose their jobs immediately! Then on planet Earth B it is announced that Criticism of the theory of global warming is now a thought crime punishable by 5 years listening to Al Gore. Any income dependent on this thought crime is to be confiscated immediately Question: which planet will have the higher number of mortgage defaults and require the greatest bank bailout? That seems to me to be self-evident...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. According to the massive body of overwhelming empirical evidence from the IPCC, that statement is false. The IPCC based its consensus on a massive body of empirical evidence that all points in the same direction; global warming and climate change. Repeating your false claim doesn't make it any less false. So what is a poor scientist to do? Go with the theory, or go with the facts? Is the current flat-lining of global temperatures just a blip that masks an underlying warming trend (for which we are at fault, especially you Yanks. Everything is self-evidently all your fault!)? Or does it invalidate the much-vaunted theory? To my mind that's an interesting question! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 Hinderaker is a noted fringe right winger and Powerline is a noted fringe right wing rag.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raj Spa
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM, bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: did your friends ever do PK in the past at the Raj? I had heard the Raj went down hill somewhat in quality and services over the past few years, did they notice that? I have not been in 5 years to the Raj for pk, but I am thinking about going for PK sometime in 09 and was curious if anything changed much there over the past 4 - 5 years, thanks much I have never been to the Raj before except for an occasional lunch (I can't stand those look at me, I'm so special RUs) and to buy herbs. Previously I had my Ayurvedic consults on campus or with traveling Trigunaji and his ilk. My friends had not been to the Raj before except for lunch as well. My friends reported to me that they found the Raj staff and those doing PK to be very intimate, friendly, helpful, compassionate and caring. They also observe as I have that the Raj has some very lovely young ladies working there. There were no complaints and these guys are very observant and Lord knows people on IA are often unstressing out of their gourd. So it's not like they've held anything back from me. Now whether or not things have gone down hill, well, none of us know. I can tell you that most Europeans go to India for PK. It's a bit more spartan than the Raj but they get extra treatments in their rooms, the staff is very helpful and weeks of PK can be gotten for the price of a few days of PK at the Raj or Maharishi Ayurvedic facilities in Europe. If you'd like I can get you contact information on the place in India the Europeans tend to go to. I heard once again, this time from Mark Toomey, that I have the constitution of a horse. Here are a list of changes in your diet you might consider but God I wish I had your health. Well, I follow the Ayurveda that's convenient and feels good to me and the idea of fasting, rice and dahl as anything but a side dish just doesn't appeal to me. So I didn't opt for PK and Mark Toomey didn't recommend it for me. Mark and I had an hour and a half plus consultation and we had a really great chat. He knows his stuff. Knew the Ayurvedic properties of every tropical fruit I get in Austin and Mexico, advised me on the cooling properties of camel milk next time I go to Egypt. He knew the Ayurvedic properties of oysters, calms, crawfish, Maine versus tropical lobsters, bay versus ocean scallops and the dozen different kinds of sushi I mentioned to him. He's definitely worth a visit. I can tell you that lunch at the Raj has definitely gone down in quality. There were fewer dishes and what there was was just trenchered onto the steam table. I was unhappy to have my special order mango lassi made with canned mango puree when fresh mangos are available at HyVee and Everybodys. The food was much better 5 years ago and definitely much better in the years before that. If you mention the Raj at HyVee or some other place of commerce in town you'll always run into a non-RU who used to work at the Raj and is willing to fill you in on what they did, saw and heard. If it matters to you, then I will tell you that most likely you will not receive PK or food from all RUs. RUs take the do less and accomplish more and the this is not my Jyotish week too much to heart for them to be prized as workers. I can give you earfulls on this but if you've read FFL a while you can figure it out yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:01 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? Because the oil, coal and special interest backed scientists said so! And they've got the money in their pockets to prove it! Exxon puts out grant money for anyone wanting to disprove global warming. If you were a scientist, wouldn't you want an easy way to pay off YOUR mortgage? :-) Jeez - is this one of your Buddhist mantras? It DOES seem so hackneyed and repetitive... I wish we could do this test: Tomorrow on planet Earth A it is announced that Shock discovery! The theory of global warming is conclusively proved false. All climate scientists, bureaucrats, industries, carbon market traders, wind farm manufacturers, jolly junket international jamboree hospitality companies, journalists etc etc bound up with the industry will lose their jobs immediately! Then on planet Earth B it is announced that Criticism of the theory of global warming is now a thought crime punishable by 5 years listening to Al Gore. Any income dependent on this thought crime is to be confiscated immediately Question: which planet will have the higher number of mortgage defaults and require the greatest bank bailout? That seems to me to be self-evident... Looney tunes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Spa?WHERE in India to the Europeans go CONTACT INFO?PLEASE
In a message dated 12/28/2008 2:06:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, l.shad...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM, bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: did your friends ever do PK in the past at the Raj? I had heard the Raj went down hill somewhat in quality and services over the past few years, did they notice that? I have not been in 5 years to the Raj for pk, but I am thinking about going for PK sometime in 09 and was curious if anything changed much there over the past 4 - 5 years, thanks much I have never been to the Raj before except for an occasional lunch (I can't stand those look at me, I'm so special RUs) and to buy herbs. Previously I had my Ayurvedic consults on campus or with traveling Trigunaji and his ilk. My friends had not been to the Raj before except for lunch as well. My friends reported to me that they found the Raj staff and those doing PK to be very intimate, friendly, helpful, compassionate and caring. They also observe as I have that the Raj has some very lovely young ladies working there. There were no complaints and these guys are very observant and Lord knows people on IA are often unstressing out of their gourd. So it's not like they've held anything back from me. Now whether or not things have gone down hill, well, none of us know. I can tell you that most Europeans go to India for PK. It's a bit more spartan than the Raj but they get extra treatments in their rooms, the staff is very helpful and weeks of PK can be gotten for the price of a few days of PK at the Raj or Maharishi Ayurvedic facilities in Europe. If you'd like I can get you contact information on the place in India the Europeans tend to go to. I heard once again, this time from Mark Toomey, that I have the constitution of a horse. Here are a list of changes in your diet you might consider but God I wish I had your health. Well, I follow the Ayurveda that's convenient and feels good to me and the idea of fasting, rice and dahl as anything but a side dish just doesn't appeal to me. So I didn't opt for PK and Mark Toomey didn't recommend it for me. Mark and I had an hour and a half plus consultation and we had a really great chat. He knows his stuff. Knew the Ayurvedic properties of every tropical fruit I get in Austin and Mexico, advised me on the cooling properties of camel milk next time I go to Egypt. He knew the Ayurvedic properties of oysters, calms, crawfish, Maine versus tropical lobsters, bay versus ocean scallops and the dozen different kinds of sushi I mentioned to him. He's definitely worth a visit. I can tell you that lunch at the Raj has definitely gone down in quality. There were fewer dishes and what there was was just trenchered onto the steam table. I was unhappy to have my special order mango lassi made with canned mango puree when fresh mangos are available at HyVee and Everybodys. The food was much better 5 years ago and definitely much better in the years before that. If you mention the Raj at HyVee or some other place of commerce in town you'll always run into a non-RU who used to work at the Raj and is willing to fill you in on what they did, saw and heard. If it matters to you, then I will tell you that most likely you will not receive PK or food from all RUs. RUs take the do less and accomplish more and the this is not my Jyotish week too much to heart for them to be prized as workers. I can give you earfulls on this but if you've read FFL a while you can figure it out yourself. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. So what is a poor scientist to do? Go with the theory, or go with the facts? Is the current flat-lining of global temperatures just a blip that masks an underlying warming trend (for which we are at fault, especially you Yanks. Everything is self-evidently all your fault!)? Or does it invalidate the much-vaunted theory? To my mind that's an interesting question! I concur with this assessment. However I'll also throw in a few observations. As I said before, we are going out of an ice age. If there is global warming it might just have something to do with that. OK, there are things melting. Well what did you want? Only the Garden of Eden area to be temperate? Yes, I believe there was a great flood and a temperate Garden of Eden where the people were able to switch from hunter/gatherer to farmers. In the Middle East. And this dovetails with the end of the Ice Age. I agree that there is a lot more crap in the atmosphere then there has been in a while. We even see that when we release air trapped in lead tombs in Baltimore. But the atmosphere has been full of lots of crap before. And man didn't do it. Al Gore running around calling this a big crisis even if man made isn't going to stop it. We're not going to get buy in from Mexico, India, China or the former USSR. And /they/ are the growing, major polluters. But why care about all of this? We're all leaving Spaceship Earth in 2012. Right?
[FairfieldLife] Cop Drama Dharma: Righteous Kill vs. Pride And Glory
There may have been more than two high-profile cop dramas this year, but if so I can only remember two right now. So shoot me. The first I saw some months ago, when the buzz was out about it and it was still in the theaters. The buzz was BIG, another pairing of the Grand Knights of the Old Guard, Robert de Niro and Al Pacino. Righteous Kill was hyped as the best thing since sliced bread or Heat, whichever got you off more. The problem was, Righteous Kill was a real yawner. It almost telegraphed its punches as to who was the quintessential psycho- killer during the credits. And the two icons of the Old Guard seemed to me to be phoning in their performances, playing it safe, going for the easy bucks in their old age. No drama, no real moral quandaries. Yawn. Enter Pride And Glory, starring one member of the Old Guard, John Voight, but a bunch of younger turks as well -- Colin Far- rell, Noah Emmerich, and the great Edward Norton as hardcore New York Irish cops, part of a dynasty of hardcore New York Irish cops. The problem is, New York Irish cops have this inborn sense of right and wrong. It comes with the Catholicism, and it comes with the territory of trying to be an honest cop in a city that simply does not respect or honor honest cops. The dreams of pride and glory die hard, and sometimes they die hardest in those who left them by the wayside. They sometimes resurrect themselves during the finer moments -- or the last moments -- of the lives of those who once believed in pride and glory. Righteous Kill couldn't kill a gnat, much less righeously. Pride And Glory had both, in spades. Can't say it any clearer or simpler than that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Spa?WHERE in India to the Europeans go CONTACT INFO?PLEASE
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:11 PM, wle...@aol.com wrote: Please send a separate email to my address. It's a real address and I use GMail's web interface to read/post to/from FFL. GMail is great for FFL because of the way threads are presented. Even better than a decent Usenet reader. It will take me a week or two to get the contact information you seek from one of my European friends. None of the people I know who go to PK in India are in FF right now. Once I get the info I'll forward it on to you and post it here, though I suspect with the tremendous reach of FFL I'll be beaten to the punch, which would be great.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Meditation on Murder: The Israeli assault on Gaza
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_re...@... wrote: you forgot to mention that Hamas are a bunch of peace loving angels that would never hurt anyone in any way. Come on what do you expect them to do, accept a two state solution, get real! They have no choice but to blow the limbs and heads off of innocent little children...gads!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Hugo richardhughes...@hotmail.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. This will never happen. Harry Truman was privately an anti-semite and he championed the State of Israel because of his reading of the Bible. But he foresaw what was going to happen. This thing has flared up in FFL before. There was immediate and lasting uproar. Israeli, gays and Hillary are big things here on FFL. Tread lightly or unleash the wrath of God and Her minions if you say anything against these areas of FFL sanctity. We have two very powerful groups in America. First, we have the Jews. No way with the Jews having so much control of America and so much money will Israel be ever made to act in a civilized fashion. Heck, we even bust Israeli spies. People who spy on the US for Israeli. Now also we have the born agains who are pro-Israel and pro-stirring up shit in Israeli because of the Second Coming. I speak to many of my very good Israeli friends on IA/at MUM about the born agains and their wanting to meddle in Israeli. Let's just say the Israelis are bemused about the BAs in Israeli. Here we have a group of people who are proponents of Israeli but who also preach that the Israelis will have to proclaim Christ or be cast into Hell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Spa?WHERE in India to the Europeans go CONTACT INFO?PLEASE
Try this: http://sashas-india.blog.de/2007/12/26/8_ayurveda_bhavan_at_rishikesh~3493264 http://www.indiamart.com/amvpharmacy/about-us.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: snip This thing has flared up in FFL before. There was immediate and lasting uproar. Israeli, gays and Hillary are big things here on FFL. Tread lightly or unleash the wrath of God and Her minions if you say anything against these areas of FFL sanctity. guffaw What planet have you been living on recently? We have two very powerful groups in America. First, we have the Jews. No way with the Jews having so much control of America and so much money Wow. Let's just contemplate that statement for a while.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Spa?WHERE in India to the Europeans go CONTACT INFO?PLEASE
2008/12/28 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@gmail.com: Try this: http://sashas-india.blog.de/2007/12/26/8_ayurveda_bhavan_at_rishikesh~3493264 http://www.indiamart.com/amvpharmacy/about-us.html Hey. Thanks. Rishikesh. I'd be willing to violate my self-referral aversion to rice and dahl as a meal and go here. T'would be a nice way to visit Rishikesh in peace and quiet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. According to the massive body of overwhelming empirical evidence from the IPCC, that statement is false. OK reflex, simple question for you: What evidence of temperature change in the years 2000 - 2008 did the last IPCC report have before it? The IPCC based its consensus on a massive body of empirical evidence that all points in the same direction; global warming and climate change. Repeating your false claim doesn't make it any less false. So what is a poor scientist to do? Go with the theory, or go with the facts? Is the current flat-lining of global temperatures just a blip that masks an underlying warming trend (for which we are at fault, especially you Yanks. Everything is self-evidently all your fault!)? Or does it invalidate the much-vaunted theory? To my mind that's an interesting question! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science. --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology. Read more: 'A Scam, With No Basis In Science' Posted by John Hinderaker Powerline, December 28, 2008 Hinderaker is a noted fringe right winger and Powerline is a noted fringe right wing rag.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:50 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: snip This thing has flared up in FFL before. There was immediate and lasting uproar. Israeli, gays and Hillary are big things here on FFL. Tread lightly or unleash the wrath of God and Her minions if you say anything against these areas of FFL sanctity. guffaw What planet have you been living on recently? Yes, I do notice that age appears to have brought /some/ restraint to FFL. While we're contemplating how much Jews in America are responsible for the shit stirring in Israeli, let's also contemplate how many people were blown up in Ireland with bombs purchased with money sent by Irish Americans. The Republic of Ireland is the result of lots of money flowing in from America over decades. Lots of blood money. So is it with Israeli. Obama stands for change but he's no fool. No way he'll champion any laws dealing with private American citizens stirring up shit in Israeli/Palestine (or what's left of it).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apple Quicktime Help
Bhairitu wrote: Peter wrote: I'm trying to download itunes on my computer for the iphone I got from Santa. The installation is almost complete when this window pops-up: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Quicktime It says that it could not open this key. What to do? Thanks. It sounds like the installer tries to create the entry and can't which may mean that it doesn't have permissions to do so. What level are you installing this from? There are often questions before the install begins such as: install just for me or install for everyone. If you tried just for me try everyone or vice-versa. What version of Windows are you using? XP or Vista? What has more likely happened is you installed an older version of Quicktime from a installer. On Windows ,Apple used to have you download the program and install but nowadays they are doing some live updates. It has either found some components from an old install and can't find this key in the registry or actually (and incorrectly saying so) found the key but not the original install program which would be used to uninstall it. I'm careful to keep around the install or setup file to programs I download. Most of the time when updating or upgrading the installers can delete the old version without running the original installer. But simpler install program may not be able to do that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:50 PM, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: snip This thing has flared up in FFL before. There was immediate and lasting uproar. Israeli, gays and Hillary are big things here on FFL. Tread lightly or unleash the wrath of God and Her minions if you say anything against these areas of FFL sanctity. guffaw What planet have you been living on recently? Yes, I do notice that age appears to have brought /some/ restraint to FFL. Uh, no. Allow me to explain to you the facts of FFLife: Until a couple of months ago when raunchydog arrived on the scene, I was the *sole* supporter of Hillary Clinton on this forum. As far as everyone else was concerned, she was the Devil Incarnate, and I was her minion, subject to unbelievable abuse for daring to say anything postive about her (even to debunk false stories). Although most here have mellowed toward Hillary at least somewhat since her yeoman work for Obama in the presidential campaign, you'll still see from Barry, for example, the occasional screed denouncing raunchydog and me for having supported her.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Dec 28, 2008, at 2:21 PM, I am the eternal wrote: I concur with this assessment. However I'll also throw in a few observations. As I said before, we are going out of an ice age. If there is global warming it might just have something to do with that. OK, there are things melting. Well what did you want? Only the Garden of Eden area to be temperate? Yes, I believe there was a great flood and a temperate Garden of Eden where the people were able to switch from hunter/gatherer to farmers. In the Middle East. And this dovetails with the end of the Ice Age. I agree that there is a lot more crap in the atmosphere then there has been in a while. We even see that when we release air trapped in lead tombs in Baltimore. But the atmosphere has been full of lots of crap before. And man didn't do it. Consider this: If global warming is false then that translates into it's ok to continue to have rich industrialists exploit the earth (oil slicks, strip mining, pollution, greenhouse gases, pass a tipping point, etc.) and investment will be able to move away from more green industries and our reliance on unstable, medieval-consciousness countries will continue. The status quo will be able to continue to influence governmental policy and how we continue to (as a species) interact with our environment. If global warming is a real phenomenon, then we are (ethically, morally and survival-wise) forced to go green, for our own survival, after all we have entered extinction-6. BUT even if we are wrong on global warming, isn't the moral imperative to go green anyways? Should we continue the 'largest transfer of wealth inhuman history' to the Saudis, et al? Therefore, until GW is absolutely proven false, it is morally reprehensible to advocate on the side of the Petro and Mining Industrial complex and climate change denial. It is morally and ethically supported to move away from methods (even potentially) which disturb the balance of Gaia's natural homeostasis. So my question is, if you admit that we do not know whether or not GW is true (and please keep in mind the earth is entering an extinction phase) or whether it is false and WE MIGHT NOT KNOW TILL ITS POTENTIALLY TOO LATE; given that possibility, which side would you prefer to err on? All life may depend on your decision.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:21 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Uh, no. Allow me to explain to you the facts of FFLife: Until a couple of months ago when raunchydog arrived on the scene, I was the *sole* supporter of Hillary Clinton on this forum. As far as everyone else was concerned, she was the Devil Incarnate, and I was her minion, subject to unbelievable abuse for daring to say anything postive about her (even to debunk false stories). Although most here have mellowed toward Hillary at least somewhat since her yeoman work for Obama in the presidential campaign, you'll still see from Barry, for example, the occasional screed denouncing raunchydog and me for having supported her. Well, Judy, I'm not a lover of words and debate as you are but I not only respect your being here on FFL, I'd be willing to offer up my unused weekly post count to you because you do handle yourself with restraint and strength. I like the old saying that a lady is someone who doesn't need to remind you that you're in the presence of one. Same with someone who can hold their own in a discussion. I think that you and Raunch should be declared Senior Fellows of FFL and not be bound by the post count because of the viewpoints that you and your side kick represent here and the way you both present yourselves. I often admire you and Raunch the way I admire rotting fish in the moonlight. You shine, you shimmer and you stench is unmistakable. But that's what makes for lively discussions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Dec 28, 2008, at 2:21 PM, I am the eternal wrote: So my question is, if you admit that we do not know whether or not GW is true (and please keep in mind the earth is entering an extinction phase) or whether it is false and WE MIGHT NOT KNOW TILL ITS POTENTIALLY TOO LATE; given that possibility, which side would you prefer to err on? All life may depend on your decision. You haven't driven across the Rio Grande at night and been assaulted by the stench and blinding soot of tires burned for warmth, have you? I'm siding with Mexico, China, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, what was the USSR and India. They are going to do what they're going to do. And the US and Japan are mere drops in the bucket. I'm not going to wear a hair shirt or ritualistically flog myself for driving a Toyota Camry as I drive down across the Mexican border and see all the gas guzzling polluting old American cars being transported into Mexico to take on new life. Nor am I going to feel bad when I take a 30 year old Pugeot taxi ride next trip to Luxor, Egypt.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Dec 28, 2008, at 3:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Dec 28, 2008, at 2:21 PM, I am the eternal wrote: So my question is, if you admit that we do not know whether or not GW is true (and please keep in mind the earth is entering an extinction phase) or whether it is false and WE MIGHT NOT KNOW TILL ITS POTENTIALLY TOO LATE; given that possibility, which side would you prefer to err on? All life may depend on your decision. You haven't driven across the Rio Grande at night and been assaulted by the stench and blinding soot of tires burned for warmth, have you? I'm siding with Mexico, China, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, what was the USSR and India. They are going to do what they're going to do. And the US and Japan are mere drops in the bucket. I'm not going to wear a hair shirt or ritualistically flog myself for driving a Toyota Camry as I drive down across the Mexican border and see all the gas guzzling polluting old American cars being transported into Mexico to take on new life. Nor am I going to feel bad when I take a 30 year old Pugeot taxi ride next trip to Luxor, Egypt. So in other words, you take the easy, potential mass extinction way out and take the karmic and moral low ground? Why set an example for the future! That's cool, at least I know where you're coming from! You don't want to set an example and would rather flog everyone, including yourself...ouch. You don't happen to work for the Petro industry do you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Spa?WHERE in India to the Europeans go CONTACT INFO?PLEASE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: Try this: http://sashas- india.blog.de/2007/12/26/8_ayurveda_bhavan_at_rishikesh~3493264 http://www.indiamart.com/amvpharmacy/about-us.html Reading this commercial propaganda I am struck with the fact that you will not receive any information on from where these people have received their knowledge or training. These are commercial enterprises/promises only, and I find it disturbing that persons previously in the Movement have been so quick to capitalize on what they learned from their Master. I have taken PK several times in India and have seen this basic tendency every time; greed. Down to such a innoscentand simple, but crucial, detail that is was necessary to actually check that the oil applied to your body, that already had travelled half around the globe, actually was fresh and not simply transferred from the previous patient. Such worries you will not have if you take PK at a Maharishi Ayurveda Clinic anywhere in India or elsewhere. Nor if you travel far into the jungels of Kerala and visit real Masters in the Art of Ayurved. Masters whom themselves have had close knowledge relationships with the Master of Masters in Vlodrop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. According to the massive body of overwhelming empirical evidence from the IPCC, that statement is false. OK reflex, simple question for you: What evidence of temperature change in the years 2000 - 2008 did the last IPCC report have before it? FIRST: From the IPCC: The IPCC's technical reports derive their credibility principally from an extensive, transparent, and iterative peer review process that, as mentioned above, is considered far more exhaustive than that associated with scientific journals. This is due to the number of reviewers, the breadth of their disciplinary backgrounds and scientific perspectives, and the inclusion of independent review editors who certify that all comments have been fairly considered and appropriately resolved by the authors. For example, see [2]. ...Experts from more than 130 countries are contributing to this assessment, which represents six years of work. More than 450 lead authors have received input from more than 800 contributing authors, and an additional 2,500 experts reviewed the draft documents. To be as inclusive and open as possible, a balanced review effectively begins with the choice of lead authors. By intentionally including authors who represent the full range of expert opinion, many areas of disagreement can be worked out in discussions among the authors rather than waiting until the document is sent out for review... The first round of review is conducted by a large number of expert reviewersmore than 2,500 for the entire AR4who include scientists, industry representatives, and NGO experts with a wide range of perspectives. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/ipcc-background\ er.html http://snipurl.com/7r69y NOW here's the -*fully searchable*- 2007 IPCC report where it covers the massive basis for the conclusions it makes. You'll note that the conclusion that climate change/global warming and man's role in bringing it about is factual based on a huge pool of multiple peer-reviewed scientific studies: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf Here's their most recent [also -*fully searchable*-] 214 page 2008 report titled Climate Change and Water: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/technical-papers/climate-change-water-en.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: So in other words, you take the easy, potential mass extinction way out and take the karmic and moral low ground? Why set an example for the future! That's cool, at least I know where you're coming from! You don't want to set an example and would rather flog everyone, including yourself...ouch. You don't happen to work for the Petro industry do you? Characterize me as you wish. Fire can't burn me nor water quench me. Petro industry was very, very good to me. I was the West Coast manager of a control systems vendor back in the Prudhoe Bay hayday and designed the control system in the Arco-Sohio Seawater Treatment plant in Prudhoe Bay amongst other things. But I've also worked in the Pentagon, the White House, the NSA and am on retainer with a number of middle eastern governments in areas that have nothing to do with petrol. I do not represent any industry or government. Believe it or else, it's possible to be an American with a viewpoint and not be controlled or beholden to some big moneyed entity. Also, I am do not belong to any cults, Jai Guru Dev. HaHaHaHa.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Dec 28, 2008, at 3:59 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: So in other words, you take the easy, potential mass extinction way out and take the karmic and moral low ground? Why set an example for the future! That's cool, at least I know where you're coming from! You don't want to set an example and would rather flog everyone, including yourself...ouch. You don't happen to work for the Petro industry do you? Characterize me as you wish. Fire can't burn me nor water quench me. Petro industry was very, very good to me. I was the West Coast manager of a control systems vendor back in the Prudhoe Bay hayday and designed the control system in the Arco-Sohio Seawater Treatment plant in Prudhoe Bay amongst other things. But I've also worked in the Pentagon, the White House, the NSA and am on retainer with a number of middle eastern governments in areas that have nothing to do with petrol. I do not represent any industry or government. Believe it or else, it's possible to be an American with a viewpoint and not be controlled or beholden to some big moneyed entity. OK Mr. Soprano, I apologize if anything I said was offensive. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. You might check out a Mr. Farrah whom I believe I recall saying that the property in question was taken from the Arabs (Jordan) and, that Palestinians were a fabricated entity. N.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: So in other words, you take the easy, potential mass extinction way out and take the karmic and moral low ground? Why set an example for the future! That's cool, at least I know where you're coming from! You don't want to set an example and would rather flog everyone, including yourself... ouch. You don't happen to work for the Petro industry do you? Characterize me as you wish. Fire can't burn me nor water quench me. And my powers of analysis and insight are first- class, as you can see from my recent post remarking on the deep and fervent veneration accorded Hillary Clinton by the participants of FFL, such that any negative comment about her inspires mass outrage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Dec 28, 2008, at 3:59 PM, I am the eternal wrote: OK Mr. Soprano, I apologize if anything I said was offensive. Oh yeah. I forgot. I also have done some very lucrative work for the White Collar Crime division of the Gambino Family. I'm beholden to them only because these people really know how to send the very best Christmas presents. What a bunch of sweat guys. I am all for bringing back organized crime. Organized crime did not have the drive by shooting of kids. As usual we made a big mistake deregulating something that worked perfectly well the way it was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. According to the massive body of overwhelming empirical evidence from the IPCC, that statement is false. OK reflex, simple question for you: What evidence of temperature change in the years 2000 - 2008 did the last IPCC report have before it? FIRST: From the IPCC: The IPCC's technical reports derive their credibility principally from an extensive, transparent, and iterative peer review process that, as mentioned above, is considered far more exhaustive than that associated with scientific journals. This is due to the number of reviewers, the breadth of their disciplinary backgrounds and scientific perspectives, and the inclusion of independent review editors who certify that all comments have been fairly considered and appropriately resolved by the authors. For example, see [2]. ...Experts from more than 130 countries are contributing to this assessment, which represents six years of work. More than 450 lead authors have received input from more than 800 contributing authors, and an additional 2,500 experts reviewed the draft documents. To be as inclusive and open as possible, a balanced review effectively begins with the choice of lead authors. By intentionally including authors who represent the full range of expert opinion, many areas of disagreement can be worked out in discussions among the authors rather than waiting until the document is sent out for review... The first round of review is conducted by a large number of expert reviewersmore than 2,500 for the entire AR4who include scientists, industry representatives, and NGO experts with a wide range of perspectives. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/ipcc-background\ er.html http://snipurl.com/7r69y NOW here's the -*fully searchable*- 2007 IPCC report where it covers the massive basis for the conclusions it makes. You'll note that the conclusion that climate change/global warming and man's role in bringing it about is factual based on a huge pool of multiple peer-reviewed scientific studies: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf Here's their most recent [also -*fully searchable*-] 214 page 2008 report titled Climate Change and Water: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/technical-papers/climate-change-water-en.pdf I think you are confusing the date of the reports and the date of the evidence before them. There is obviously a lag of several years. Data for the period from 2000 - 2008 was not available for the 4th IPCC assessment (completed early 2007). Not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. You might check out a Mr. Farrah whom I believe I recall saying that the property in question was taken from the Arabs (Jordan) and, that Palestinians were a fabricated entity. N. The Balfour Declaration of 1917: An official letter from the British Foreign Office headed by Arthur Balfour, the UK's Foreign Secretary (from December 1916 to October 1919), to Lord Rothschild, who was seen as a representative of the Jewish people. The letter stated that the British government view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration ---Please show where Israel has gone by that last paragraph above.--- Joseph Farrah is the fringe right wing editor of the fringe right wing euphemistically called WingNut Daily [World Net Daily]. He has no objective credibility. Now show where Billy G's claim the the Jews purchased all the land they control today is not bullshit: Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. I was responding to Hugo's comment; then, you agree that prior to 1946 Jews 'owned' land in Palestine? http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/mideast/History_of_Israel_in_a_Nutshell_Too.swf
[FairfieldLife] Bevan Morris on education
[High School for Leadership] http://www.maharishiacademy.org/ What is Missing in Education Today [Bevan Morris] Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management and Chairman of the Board of Trustees (1980-present) The world has been floundering for thousands of years, because of the weakness of education. Education till now has been fragmented in its approach. It offered only knowledge of isolated Laws of Nature, and never the totality of all knowledge. The result of such an approach has been, that only isolated parts of the human brain have been stimulated by education according to whichever subject is studied. Some particular part of the brain gets stimulated, but never the total brain. The result has been, that as students grow up through their education, they are left with great areas of their brain, which are non-functionalfunctional holes in the brain. The result of having functional holes in the brain is that wrong behaviors emerge, which, in turn create more troubles and problems for the brain, for the whole physiology, and for the whole of life. So the result of modern education has been students growing up with partial use of their total brain. And with all kinds of problems that have their root in this partial functioning of their precious human brain. [SPECT imaging shows functional holes in the brain of a violent individual] The only thing that gives the experience of total brain functioning is the experience of the field of Total Knowledge. And where is Total Knowledge available? It's not in huge librariesmillions of books that nobody can ever read. Total Knowledge is only available in one place, and that is in the silent Self-referral unified state of consciousness, which can be experienced by any student in the world through the practice of Maharishis Transcendental Meditation Technique. Transcendental Meditation http://www.maharishiacademy.org/academics/cbe/transcendental-meditation\ .html , a simple technique, a natural technique, originated from the Vedic tradition of Total Knowledge, of India, the land of the Veda. This simple technique allows the mind of any student to settle down to more and more silent levels of operation, until the very finest level of the thinking process is experienced, and then the student transcends, or goes beyond that finest impulse of thought, and comes to the completely settled, completely pure, completely transcendental state of their own consciousness. This is the experience of your own Self. So by adding this practice to the routine of academic study in all the educational institutions of the world, students fulfill the ancient dictum of the Oracle of Delphi `Know thyself'. This is Consciousness-Based education. Consciousness-Based education adds into the routine of daily study of the students the experience of the students' own Self, of their own self-referral, silent, pure consciousness. They experience this state as a state of inner bliss. They experience there the treasure house of all the intelligence and energy which is responsible for everything that there is in the human physiology, in the earth, in the solar system, and in the galactic universe. Because when they experience that silent state of their own consciousness, they are actually directly experiencing the Unified Field of Natural Law http://www.maharishiacademy.org/about/worldpeace.html ; that self-same Unified Field that has been discovered by quantum physicists in our generation. Dr John Hagelin http://www.maharishiacademy.org/about/worldpeace.html , the greatest scientist has fulfilled the dream of Einstein for a completely Unified Field Theory that is also practical, and applied in human life through education. So in Consciousness-Based education, before the classes start in the different subjects, the students close their eyes, they begin to practice Transcendental Meditation. Their mind settles down to softer and softer levels of the thinking process, gentler levels to the most silent level of thought, and then transcending that, coming to a pure state of consciousness, unbounded state of their own consciousness, their own individuality is completely unified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature, the field of Total Knowledge. When students experience the unified state of their own consciousness, the Unified Field, which is the field of Total Knowledge of all the Laws of Nature; in that unifying experience actual scientific research shows that this awakens the total brain functioning. The brain functioning becomes highly coherent: synchronous brain waves over the whole expanse of the brain, as if the whole brain is being integrated into one holistic functioning. This phenomenon of total brain functioning is a result of the subjective experience of that silent level of one's own consciousness, that completely peaceful level of one's own consciousness, during Transcendental Meditation. So this is a phenomenon that has to be in every
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. You might check out a Mr. Farrah whom I believe I recall saying that the property in question was taken from the Arabs (Jordan) and, that Palestinians were a fabricated entity. N. The Balfour Declaration of 1917: An official letter from the British Foreign Office headed by Arthur Balfour, the UK's Foreign Secretary (from December 1916 to October 1919), to Lord Rothschild, who was seen as a representative of the Jewish people. The letter stated that the British government view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration ---Please show where Israel has gone by that last paragraph above.--- The settlements were created by fleeing Arabs after the attack by Arabs on the new Israel, many Jews fled Arab countries too. The Arabs don't want to assimilate the 'Palestinian' Arabs, they'd rather use them as political footballs! Now many of them cannot come back because they are terrorists, also many of them would accept money settlements for their abandoned property according to a poll, (though I'm not sure why they don't). Disputes over the fleeing Palestinian Arabs property is part of the on going peace process..
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Ok so if global warming isn't real then why isn't the world warming up with all the extra insulation added by CO2 and CH4? If you put on an extra layer of clothing you expect to keep heat in. If you put on an extra layer of insulation for the whole world you expect the world to warm up. If it's not warming up then why have the elementary laws of thermodynamics been suspended? If you think that insulation doesn't keep you warm when you go outside then you should be ok about taking a walk without clothes on in mid winter. If you do wrap up warm when you go outside in the winter then you must be acknowledging that insulation keeps the heat it. But if insulation keeps the heat in then any extra C02 or CH4 in the atmosphere must be keeping the heat in for the whole world. If not why not? In short (IMO) : Hubris - the sin of the modern world. We think we understand the planet's climate system; That we have ever such powerful computers capable of simulating that system; That we have a sound, rock-solid theory (that you allude to) about the greenhouse effect. But maybe we don't. (Just as no one seems to be able to understand, control and predict the modern financial system). There is no settled science in this. It's all tentative, speculative, and highly unreliable. There's nothing wrong with that - until it gets hijacked into politicized science that is obliged to paper over the uncertainties with hysterical shrieks of consensus and the sinister use of the term denier to try to close down debate. It is true that the greenhouse theory looks sound (although it very much depends on a supporting armoury of supposed positive feedbacks to make it work). It seems true that CO2 emissions have been rising. But is also seems true that Gaia is not playing ball: Planetary global temperatures are flat-lining. According to the massive body of overwhelming empirical evidence from the IPCC, that statement is false. OK reflex, simple question for you: What evidence of temperature change in the years 2000 - 2008 did the last IPCC report have before it? FIRST: From the IPCC: The IPCC's technical reports derive their credibility principally from an extensive, transparent, and iterative peer review process that, as mentioned above, is considered far more exhaustive than that associated with scientific journals. This is due to the number of reviewers, the breadth of their disciplinary backgrounds and scientific perspectives, and the inclusion of independent review editors who certify that all comments have been fairly considered and appropriately resolved by the authors. For example, see [2]. ...Experts from more than 130 countries are contributing to this assessment, which represents six years of work. More than 450 lead authors have received input from more than 800 contributing authors, and an additional 2,500 experts reviewed the draft documents. To be as inclusive and open as possible, a balanced review effectively begins with the choice of lead authors. By intentionally including authors who represent the full range of expert opinion, many areas of disagreement can be worked out in discussions among the authors rather than waiting until the document is sent out for review... The first round of review is conducted by a large number of expert reviewersmore than 2,500 for the entire AR4who include scientists, industry representatives, and NGO experts with a wide range of perspectives. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/ipcc-background\ er.html http://snipurl.com/7r69y NOW here's the -*fully searchable*- 2007 IPCC report where it covers the massive basis for the conclusions it makes. You'll note that the conclusion that climate change/global warming and man's role in bringing it about is factual based on a huge pool of multiple peer-reviewed scientific studies: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf Here's their most recent [also -*fully searchable*-] 214 page 2008 report titled Climate Change and Water: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/technical-papers/climate-change-water-en.pdf I think you are confusing the date of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. So... China should be able to take USA land that IT owns and make it Chinese territory? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. I was responding to Hugo's comment; then, you agree that prior to 1946 Jews 'owned' land in Palestine? So did numerous 'other' nations from time to time Billy, so what. Do those other peoples ALSO have a claim to the land? You still did not back up your claim that Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/mideast/History_of_Israel_in_a_Nutshell_Too.swf The above link is to a totally biased 'history' that excludes the decades long brutal military occupation by the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements - and their record-making number of violations against UN resolutions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. So... China should be able to take USA land that IT owns and make it Chinese territory? Lawson That's not what happened in Israel, the league of Nations created it, along with Palestine for the then Palestinian Arabs. It was under British rule.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. I was responding to Hugo's comment; then, you agree that prior to 1946 Jews 'owned' land in Palestine? So did numerous 'other' nations from time to time Billy, so what. Do those other peoples ALSO have a claim to the land? You still did not back up your claim that Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. What land are you talking about? Gaza or West Bank are trying to be given back, however they have been unsuccessful so far, though they are trying. Golan heights?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg I learned something new today. I didn't know that there was a country called Palestine in 1946! More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
Illustrated Map:
http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg
I learned something new today.
I didn't know that there was a country called Palestine in 1946!
Yes, and that great 'Palestinian' Yasser Arafat ('er, I guess he was
from Egypt, oh well) was a disciple of Christ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Perhaps the governments of the west would like to reclaim a bit of moral credibility and make the thieving bastards give it back. Actually, they would have to be paid to 'give it back' since much of it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. They made it prosperous, they deserve most of what they have and have a right to their share of Palestine, they've also been there as long or longer than the Arabs. Bullshit. Back up your claims with verifiable source material and show where Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. I was responding to Hugo's comment; then, you agree that prior to 1946 Jews 'owned' land in Palestine? So did numerous 'other' nations from time to time Billy, so what. Do those other peoples ALSO have a claim to the land? You still did not back up your claim that Israel has paid for the land they've taken along the way from 1946 - 2005. What land are you talking about? You said: ...it was outright **owned** by Jews who purchased it from Arab Landlords living elsewhere at the time. You STILL haven't shown that to be true - nor how they supposedly purchased all the land they have encroached and extensively seized along the way against previous agreements - and their record-making number of violations against UN resolutions. Gaza or West Bank are trying to be given back, however they have been unsuccessful so far, though they are trying. Golan heights? Are you blind? Look again at the map I provided here and the other maps showing the statistics here: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg ...and: More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/
[FairfieldLife] Dictators that left power on advice of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi by telephone
Thus saving millions of lives from what seemed to be an obvious civil war: Haile Selassie (1892-1975) Juan Domingo Per¨®n (October 8, 1895 ¨C July 1, 1974) Mohammad Rez¨¡ Sh¨¡h Pahlavi, Shah of Iran, October 26, 1919, Tehran ¨C July 27, 1980, Cairo) Ferdinand Emmanuel Edral¨ªn Marcos (September 11, 1917 ¨C September 28, 1989
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scam, with no basis in science?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:42 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: Characterize me as you wish. Fire can't burn me nor water quench me. And my powers of analysis and insight are first- class, as you can see from my recent post remarking on the deep and fervent veneration accorded Hillary Clinton by the participants of FFL, such that any negative comment about her inspires mass outrage. Judy, Judy, Judy. Such kind words! One of the many benefits of not being all that facile with the English Language, indeed not having had a native tongue at all, is that it seems that people are always saying nice things to and about me. I assume that's what you are doing now. Why else would someone as skilled and learned in the English Language take the time out to write about me? Thanks a bunch, huh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
Could pot smokers inhibit themselves from experiencing the transcendence in pot's interference with the physiology of the right parietal? A pollicy evidently arrived at through experience, could the two week drug-detox of recreational drugs that is recommended before folks learn meditation be related to this functioning (of the right parietal) in hosting spiritual experience? transcendent experiences, seems to occur for people who minimize right parietal functioning. all individuals, regardless of cultural background or religion, experience the same neuropsychological functions during spiritual experiences, such as transcendence. Transcendence, feelings of universal unity and decreased sense of self, is a core tenet of all major religions. Meditation and prayer are the primary vehicles by which such spiritual transcendence is achieved. -- Core Of All Major World Religions -- Has Neuropsychological Connection Or directly from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124156.htm Also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202563
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Are you blind? Look again at the map I provided here and the other maps showing the statistics here: Illustrated Map: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/albums/maps_media/lg_044x.jpg ...and: More here [click on thumbnails]: http://annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/ Your map is false on its face, Great Britain ruled that province called Palaestina till 1948, when did it become Palestinian land? There were Arabs and Jews living in the province called by the Romans Palaestina (that's the fact) when Israel became a Nation State, the surrounding Arab countries invaded, the fleeing Palestinian Arabs came to be called the *Palestinians*. http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/mideast/History_of_Israel_in_a_Nutshell_Too.swf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: I learned something new today. I didn't know that there was a country called Palestine in 1946! Whenever I go to the Muslim Middle East, I take with me Leon Uris's book The Haj. It's his answer to Exodus. A very good read and very informative. The book helps me put the whole Philistine (as the Palestinians are called) issue in perspective. There were two sets of shit stirrers in the Middle East. One was of course the Jews. The other where the Muslim states (the very ones we kiss up to or give the 2nd largest amount of US foreign aide to), who refused to take the refugees in from Palestine. The Palestinians were just off the desert from being a nomadic people. They could have easily settled in and become Saudis, Jordanians, Turks or Egyptians if they were allowed to. The Jews really did want to create a place where Jews and Muslims could live side by side in peace and prosperity but the Saudis would have none of that. The House of Saud wanted things to be and remain as unsettled as they are now because, well, because they hated the Jews.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I learned something new today. I didn't know that there was a country called Palestine in 1946! Whenever I go to the Muslim Middle East, I take with me Leon Uris's book The Haj. It's his answer to Exodus. A very good read and very informative. The book helps me put the whole Philistine (as the Palestinians are called) issue in perspective. There were two sets of shit stirrers in the Middle East. One was of course the Jews. The other where the Muslim states (the very ones we kiss up to or give the 2nd largest amount of US foreign aide to), who refused to take the refugees in from Palestine. The Palestinians were just off the desert from being a nomadic people. They could have easily settled in and become Saudis, Jordanians, Turks or Egyptians if they were allowed to. The Jews really did want to create a place where Jews and Muslims could live side by side in peace and prosperity but the Saudis would have none of that. The House of Saud wanted things to be and remain as unsettled as they are now because, well, because they hated the Jews. Simple.yet true! Yet Israel (made by League of Nations) accepted the fleeing Jews from the Arab countries. Who's the chump?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinian loss of land 1946 - 2005
as long as humans continue to butcher hate one another the middle east is a no win situation...it would take a minor miracle of everyone there waking up one day and treating their fellow humans with dignity, respect and brotherly/sisterly love...I guess it could happen, strange things have happened on this planet, slavery was abolished here in this country and that was considered the norm 200 years ago, the U.S.'s hated enemies in WW2, the Germans and Japanese are now our friends , so I guess anything is possible.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I learned something new today. I didn't know that there was a country called Palestine in 1946! Whenever I go to the Muslim Middle East, I take with me Leon Uris's book The Haj. It's his answer to Exodus. A very good read and very informative. The book helps me put the whole Philistine (as the Palestinians are called) issue in perspective. There were two sets of shit stirrers in the Middle East. One was of course the Jews. The other where the Muslim states (the very ones we kiss up to or give the 2nd largest amount of US foreign aide to), who refused to take the refugees in from Palestine. The Palestinians were just off the desert from being a nomadic people. They could have easily settled in and become Saudis, Jordanians, Turks or Egyptians if they were allowed to. The Jews really did want to create a place where Jews and Muslims could live side by side in peace and prosperity but the Saudis would have none of that. The House of Saud wanted things to be and remain as unsettled as they are now because, well, because they hated the Jews.
