[FairfieldLife] Re: This would be perfect for a David Lynch film
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Think Mulholland Drive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYaosyR4bEfeature=channel This one brought you to mind Shemp. http://snipurl.com/fm32h
[FairfieldLife] Brilliant short video that demonstrates that POV is everything
This video was created for the AARP u...@50 video contest and placed second. When they showed it, everyone in the room broke into spontaneous applause. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42E2fAWM6rA It's so simple -- the same text, in both read- ings. But what a difference the starting point and direction of reading makes. Little round planet In a big universe Sometimes it looks blessed Sometimes it looks cursed Depends on what you look at obviously But even more it depends on the way that you see -- from Child Of The Wind, by Bruce Cockburn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j1SIUGRxRMNR=1
[FairfieldLife] The Intensity of Desire
The Intensity of Desire The Square Between Venus Pluto Hi Everyone, Ordinarily, Venus is a fast moving planet which results in its effects being short-lived. They may last for only a few days at most. But that's not the case right now at all. Venus is slowing down in the latter part of its retrograde cycle and will only be moving two degrees over the next month. This means that the transit it is making with Pluto is not going to last just a few days, but until the first week of May. In my classes right now, the main topic is on this subject. Why? Because firstly, whenever a planet slows, its effects are amplified and intensified. When a planet is moving slowly or is stationary, its going to feel similar to shining a light on just one spot. That spot is getting all the heat, attention and focus. But secondly, it will be squaring Pluto during this entire slowdown and reversal. In fact, Venus will be making a square to Pluto for a month as it doesn't complete the square until May 3rd. Pluto intensifies whatever it touches, so the two together form a tense aspect that demands we look deeply at our feelings, what we want, and any relationships we are in or are considering. Pluto's intensity is best understood as an 'All-or-Nothing' attitude or approach. The reason for this is that right now we want a real, authentic, deep form of relating or nothing at all. Why bother? could be our attitude. Although there is great focus on relationships, it isn't just that. It's finding out what we want and like. We are asking what makes us truly happy. This is the paramount question and we can even be obsessed about this at this time. I have been honored to receive a great many emails in the past several weeks from readers who are going through their personal adventure. The deep probing is not mental by any means. People are going into their depths (and sometimes their dark bedrooms), needing to go internal in ways that can be shocking and for some, alarming as they are so focused on love and relationships that it's scaring them. Fear itself is an important aspect of this transit and can be explored to great advantage. We can begin to examine the nature of fear itself, that it is closely connected to fear of the unknown, to the fear of admitting to oneself all the things we don't know and cannot control. We can feel very vulnerable, which when accepted, can be a very helpful thing. URGENCY - I want to talk about this one by itself. When Venus is in Aries, one wants to move quickly and being stationary and square to Pluto right now, this sense is intensely more prominent than ever. I have to decide now, I have to get out of this painful feeling now, I must solve the problem immediately, etc., are just some of the things people are saying to me. This urgency is best dealt with by simply acknowledging that we are feeling things so much more strongly than we are accustomed, that we are afraid, worried, or just want it to be over. We can even feel consumed by these feelings. Learning to sit in what we are feeling rather than try to change or do something (or anything) is the best way to deal with this transit. No, this does not mean that we should not act when we know what we must do. We should act once we are clear. But the urgency itself is a red-flag telling us that we may not have fully processed what we need to in order to make a decis Pluto asks us to deeply process and this takes time. We are being pulled into our own unconscious right now and if we make decisions or act from this unconscious place, we may not like the results. Processing the new and emerging feelings, motivations, etc. are what we are being asked to do. And if relationships do end, the process that matters most to us is one of getting to the core of why that relationship didn't work. What was missing? Were we able to be ourselves or were we faking it with that person and trying to fit into the image of what the other person wanted us to be? Also, we are advised not to take the first person who shows up. The urgency I speak of can result in our wanting to find something, anything, just so the pain and/or uncertainty is reduced. Also, what we attract or are attracted to may be a reflection of our unconscious and hidden motives and desires, and not what we really want or need. When the contents of the unconscious emerge from our depths, it is a vital and important time for us where much growth can occur, but until we have integrated the material into our consciousness, any act can be premature. FINANCIAL - Just a tidbit to those of you who are watching the market. The market went up when Venus went retrograde, though it has been slipping the last several days. The next reversal point is when Venus turns direct on April 17. That will be the time to watch and see if the stock market continues to grow or begins a reversal of fortune. My guess is that since Pluto rules debt, that not all of the banks have revealed how much bad debt they are still
[FairfieldLife] 'Interesting Comptemplation'
http://www.sherschoolofwisdom.org/enlightenment-intensive/philosophy/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! If that were really true, then there is no basis for the position taken by Judy and Raunchydog (and by the TMO's/Lynch Foun- dation's scumbag of a lawyer) that John Knapp and others expressing their critical points of view about TM, the TMO, and Maharishi should not be allowed to happen. Judy and Raunchydog have stated that they feel that revealing information about the puja and the nature of the mantras, etc. could be confusing to new meditators and spoil the innocence of their experience of TM. They have put themselves on the record as being firmly in favor of WITH- HOLDING such information, for the students' own good. The TMO scumbag lawyer went so far as to *threaten* John Knapp and his associates for holding a simple online conference, and intimidate them into can- celling it out of fear of an expensive lawsuit. So CLEARLY none of these people agree with you, Jim. Instead, they CLEARLY believe that saying anything negative about TM, the TMO, and Maharishi does **NOT** fall into the cate- gory of any publicity is good publicity. Instead, they believe that it is *detrimental* to TM and TMers and has to be suppressed and/or demonized. How do you reconcile your theory with what seems to be the *established policy* of the TM organization, and with its vocal supporters and apologists on this forum? And on another level, if your mind is so weak that a few days after a discussion here all that you can remember is that there was a discussion on TM, what does that say about TM really improving creative intelligence? Seems to me that you are saying that what it does is *impair* your memory and make you incapable of retaining information, right? Not that that should surprise us given your history of posts here... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: I don't get it... How could Easter be described as the 'Holiest of Days?' The guy gets crucified, by Rome and the Jewish puppets of Rome. They later change the story to blame the Jews for his death. Then they claim his tortured crucifixion is a holy thing? Seems to me that would be the un-holiest thing I can think of. Let's see if we can come up with some other 'Holy Days'? November 11, 1963; December 8, 1980; April 4, 1968... Religion, what a crazy thing! R.G. Madison, WI On the other hand - Do you believe in the idea of archetypes? You have here the symbol of the innocent lamb, of complete purity, exposed to the ultimate in evil and the Negative. And yet, as Christians would have it, the apparently defeated, weak victim comes out triumphant in the end. Perhaps the success of Christianity could be due to a resonance with some such archetype in our collective unconscious? Just trying to understand...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one *looks* like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly with total grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are totally engaged in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots of presence. Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. This reminded me of a review I saw a while back - a book about nothing else but crows and ravens. It seemed such an unlikely subject to me, but the review was fascinating and there was clearly a huge depth in the subject of which I had no idea. So I made a mental note to get the book. But like most of my good intentions, it slipped my mind until I saw you mention those guys here. The book is In the Company of Crows and Ravens by JM Marzluff. Have you come across it? Crows and people share similar traits and social strategies. To a surprising extent, to know the crow is to know ourselves. Corvid intellect goes beyond tricks and chance. The authors have witnessed a murder of a crow by its fellows. They've also observed funerals in which a mob of crows silently surrounds a departed member [not the murdered one] for a long period, only to depart without a sound beyond the flutter of wings. Quiet crows are unusual. They also, it has been learned, developed the ability to count. Tests conducted with crows indicate they can count to five. They also play. According to the authors, crows will slide down snowbanks or another smooth surface much as otters do, and with as little discernible purpose. Perhaps it's indicative that the Norse god Odin had two ravens, Thought and Memory as companions.
[FairfieldLife] Iowa State Senator Becky Schmitz: Equal Protection
I appreciate you sharing your views with me, and I believe you deserve a heartfelt response from me. As surprising as the Iowa Supreme Court's unanimous decision may have seemed, it made sense to me as I read the decision. The court's decision went through each of the arguments against same sex marriage presented by the Polk County Attorney and pointed out how making that distinction is not consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Iowa Constitution. A decision was made in 1839 by the Iowa Supreme Court based on the same Equal Protection Clause that said no to slavery, 26 years before the Civil War settled that question. In 1868 the court also said no to Separate but equal schools, and 85 years before the US Supreme Court decided in Brown v. Board of Education. In another case in 1869, the court ruled that women may not be denied the right to practice law in Iowa. I understand that Iowans are concerned about the possible impact of this decision on our churches and other religious institutions. The Supreme Court faced these concerns head-on when it stated this in its unanimous ruling: Religious doctrine and views contrary to this principle of law are unaffected, and people can continue to associate with the religion that best reflects their views. A religious denomination can still define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, and a marriage ceremony performed by a minister, priest, rabbi, or other person ordained or designated as a leader of the person's religious faith does not lose its meaning as a sacrament or other religious institution. The sanctity of all religious marriages celebrated in the future will have the same meaning as those celebrated in the past. Two of the most important teachings for me from my Christian upbringing are that we are all equal in the eyes of God and we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. I am still working on those, recognizing my own weaknesses and frailties, and needing frequent reminders that we are all struggling to live our beliefs, and those beliefs may not be shared by others. At this time I am concerned about adding a constitutional amendment that could possibility erode the Equal Protection Clause. It has been the basis for individual rights for Iowans throughout history, and it has protected us from governmental interference into areas of our private lives. However, I am keeping an open mind to see if one could be written that would strengthen the constitution. I have received many calls and emails regarding this issue and will continue to listen and learn from the wide range of views expressed. Thank you for taking the time to write to me. If you would like to read the complete text of the decision you can go to: http://www.judicial.state.ia.us/wfData/files/Varnum/07-1499.pdf Becky State Senate Becky Schmitz Fairfield, IA becky.schm...@legis.state.ia.us www.iowasenatedemocrats.org/schmitz If you live in my district and want to be on my legislative newsletter, just send a request to my email. -Original Message- From: raunchy...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:19 AM To: Schmitz, Becky [LEGIS] Subject: Please don't amend the Iowa Constitution! Senator Becky Schmitz Iowa Legislature Second Floor, State Capitol Des Moines, IA 50319 Dear Senator Schmitz, As an Iowan, I'm proud that our state has taken the lead by granting the freedom to marry to caring, committed gay and lesbian couples. I support this historic decision and want to see it upheld. Please don't amend the Constitution to take away the freedom to marry. The Constitution protects rights. It should never deny rights. The Court decision favoring same sex marriage is correct. Same sex couples and their families deserve the protection of the state of Iowa equal to the protection of every family in Iowa. The Iowa legislators have important things to do and should not waste time and taxpayer money pursuing the folly of amending the constitution for the sake of pandering to an ever-dwindling conservative base. Diversity in America is rising. Iowa legislators should swim with the tide or expect to drown on election day. Don't pay attention to out of state activists. They don't vote in Iowa and should mind their own business. [raunchydog] Fairfield, Iowa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
On Apr 10, 2009, at 6:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Judy and Raunchydog have stated that they feel that revealing information about the puja and the nature of the mantras, etc. could be confusing to new meditators and spoil the innocence of their experience of TM. They have put themselves on the record as being firmly in favor of WITH- HOLDING such information, for the students' own good. The TMO scumbag lawyer went so far as to *threaten* John Knapp and his associates for holding a simple online conference, and intimidate them into can- celling it out of fear of an expensive lawsuit. So CLEARLY none of these people agree with you, Jim. Project JADED INNOCENCE: What would be nice would be to put up a video of the puja on YouTube, and simply label it as what it is and what it is used for. The person performing the puja could wear a mask to conceal identity. Then the video could be easily seen (or made into DVD's) so prospective students and their parents could have full disclosure. It could simultaneously be seeded on Torrent trackers. The DVD version could have the various mantra lists for even fuller disclosure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2009, at 6:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Judy and Raunchydog have stated that they feel that revealing information about the puja and the nature of the mantras, etc. could be confusing to new meditators and spoil the innocence of their experience of TM. They have put themselves on the record as being firmly in favor of WITH- HOLDING such information, for the students' own good. The TMO scumbag lawyer went so far as to *threaten* John Knapp and his associates for holding a simple online conference, and intimidate them into can- celling it out of fear of an expensive lawsuit. So CLEARLY none of these people agree with you, Jim. Project JADED INNOCENCE: What would be nice would be to put up a video of the puja on YouTube, and simply label it as what it is and what it is used for. The person performing the puja could wear a mask to conceal identity. Then the video could be easily seen (or made into DVD's) so prospective students and their parents could have full disclosure. It could simultaneously be seeded on Torrent trackers. The DVD version could have the various mantra lists for even fuller disclosure. Very funny, Vaj. You want to reveal proprietary information but keep your identity hidden. Coward. No one likes a and rarely believes a tattletale.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: Project JADED INNOCENCE: What would be nice would be to put up a video of the puja on YouTube, and simply label it as what it is and what it is used for. The person performing the puja could wear a mask to conceal identity. Then the video could be easily seen (or made into DVD's) so prospective students and their parents could have full disclosure. It could simultaneously be seeded on Torrent trackers. The DVD version could have the various mantra lists for even fuller disclosure. Very funny, Vaj. You want to reveal proprietary information but keep your identity hidden. Coward. No one likes a and rarely believes a tattletale. RD it's not about being a coward, it's about avoiding those who wish to squelch free speech, i.e. the TM Org and their attorneys and their possible use of SLAP suits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This would be perfect for a David Lynch film
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Think Mulholland Drive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYaosyR4bEfeature=channel Jesus, what an awful song! And she's rated as one of the best singers around, god help the rest of them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Richard, thanks for the recommendation. I have not heard of the book before but I plan on getting it now. Crows and ravens are my favorite all around bird. Just a few months ago I was walking across the jail parking lot, going to visit some clients, and there was a big seagull tugging and tearing at a discarded bag of Cheetos. You could see that there were still a few cheetos in the bag and the gull was intent on getting them. He struggled to rip the bag but wasn't making any progress at all when suddenly a crow swooped down, bullied the gull to one side, picked up the bag at the bottom end, dumped out the few remaining cheetos and quickly gobbled them up while the gull stood there, looking on incredulously. It was beautiful. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one *looks* like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly with total grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are totally engaged in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots of presence. Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. This reminded me of a review I saw a while back - a book about nothing else but crows and ravens. It seemed such an unlikely subject to me, but the review was fascinating and there was clearly a huge depth in the subject of which I had no idea. So I made a mental note to get the book. But like most of my good intentions, it slipped my mind until I saw you mention those guys here. The book is In the Company of Crows and Ravens by JM Marzluff. Have you come across it? Crows and people share similar traits and social strategies. To a surprising extent, to know the crow is to know ourselves. Corvid intellect goes beyond tricks and chance. The authors have witnessed a murder of a crow by its fellows. They've also observed funerals in which a mob of crows silently surrounds a departed member [not the murdered one] for a long period, only to depart without a sound beyond the flutter of wings. Quiet crows are unusual. They also, it has been learned, developed the ability to count. Tests conducted with crows indicate they can count to five. They also play. According to the authors, crows will slide down snowbanks or another smooth surface much as otters do, and with as little discernible purpose. Perhaps it's indicative that the Norse god Odin had two ravens, Thought and Memory as companions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The View From Canada
My ego requires none of this to feel okay. - Original Message - From: Robert To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The View From Canada SaLuSa 8-April-2009 We know that our messages reach far and wide, and some people do not take them seriously. We tell you it is no joke, but a very serious time in your evolution. Failure to comprehend the gravity of the situation you are facing, will leave you at the mercy of those who would enslave you for the rest of your life. The opportunity you have to make a quantum leap forward comes very rarely, but it is there for all who are prepared to live the vision of Ascension. You have a once in many lifetimes opportunity to completely leave the lower dimensions behind. We are aware that so many of you tire of the never-ending turmoil that the dark forces create on Earth. That is their way to stall your spiritual progress, and have you make believe that there is no way out of the dark. Dear Ones, you cannot beat the dark forces at their own game, but have the advantage of being able to create a future that breaks their hold upon you. You of the Light have so much power that you can change the time line you are on. It requires dedication and trust that your efforts will produce results. It is the visualization of the end result you seek that will attract the energies that bring it about. Time is not a factor, as events will proceed in the manner that is best suited for success. As more of you envision a similar end time, so the energy becomes even more powerful. This is why an important part of our mission is to help you understand what is required of you. You moved yourselves beyond the Millennium when you might otherwise have experienced the end of the cycle. You created a chance for everyone to find their god selves, thus giving more souls the opportunity to break free from duality. You must admit that the last few years have given you a roller coaster ride, but what you are experiencing is no funfair ride. It is your future that is at stake, and although many higher Beings accompany you and give of their help, it is you and your actions that will determine the outcome. We are confident that you will rise to the occasion, and overcome the odds that seem stacked against you. You really have all of the answers, but many just do not believe in their own creative power. We can only do so much without being seen to interfere, but give us the chance to mount a peace mission with you and jointly we shall be a formidable force for good. The Creator has expressed a desire that all within your Universe shall ascend, and it is only your Earth that is experiencing a battle to be part of that upliftment. All other planets and dimensions are sufficiently advanced, to move with the changes without any difficulty. Nevertheless, the Earth is considered a success in bringing souls into the knowing of the changes, so that each one can make their own decision regarding their future. It is time for the people to make their mark, and be responsible for the direction they go into. It is clear to many that you cannot return to the old ways, but use your power to ensure that your governments are aware of your interest in determining your own future. They will listen, as they know the power has shifted from them to you. This is all part of the necessary changes that will restore your freedom and right to choose your own destiny. It is far too long since you had a firm say in your lives direction. These are times when seemingly miracles can happen, and some events will both shock and amaze the people. Be prepared to adopt a new mindset, but be sure to look for what is for the good of all. There are days to come when at a single stroke the U.S. President shall astound his critics by the changes he will authorize. No President of late has been one specifically chosen by the people, and therefore his decisions will reflect that aspect of his appointment. He is in any event, a highly motivated soul bringing much wisdom and authority with him. He has a great responsibility thrust upon his shoulders, but is equal to the task. Already he is making overtures to foreign powers that would otherwise be considered enemies of the Western World. Obama seeks peace instead of hostilities, and knows that he must build trust where previously there was nothing but confrontation. Humanity is being
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
What you put your attention on grows. Is it just me, or does ED make some sense below? To me, if the world had ignored Ann Coulter, instead of paying attention to her dysfunctions, we'd not have the likes of Rep. Michele Bachmann. I mean, how many more pretty women are going to say to themselves: All I have to do is be outrageous, and because I'm pretty, I'll get airtime like Coulter. ??? This is THE sin of BigMedia -- they spotlight a clown and suddenly everyone is looking to buy bigass shoes and a red-bulb nose. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store.
[FairfieldLife] The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or longer, so that I can ask them what 'enlightenment' is like and whether I want it, right? What are their names so I can contact them? 10. The tm.org Website used to talk about the TM-siddhis program, and how one can take a course to learn how to levitate. Now there is no mention of it. If I were inter- ested in such a course, is it still being given, and if so, is the cost of it covered by the Lynch Foundation the way that my initial TM instruction would be? If not, how much is that course going to cost me?
[FairfieldLife] No Mountain High Enough
Mt. Baker, an active volcano, dominates the North Cascade mountains of Washington State (closeup of view out my cabin picture window) No Mountain High Enough What unhappiness was created by our own misjudgments and which are beyond our control? How much does our lack of self love have to do with how we react or respond? Would a world free of all negative, stop the rain that falls and yet create a desert that becomes our worst nightmare. Should sunny days never have nightfall and, every action have no consequence? Can we eat and drink to our desire without ʻsomethingʼ that draws a line of unhappiness? Is unhappiness just a challenge to allow us to reach deep within to see that awareness and love of self, make life bearable and provide answers not only for ourselves but, experiences to share with others for their benefit? There is no mountain high enough nor any valley low enough to keep the possibilities of finding some way to overcome what is presented before us. Down in the heart is always the idea of hope for an answer that paves the way for the sun to come out and show us the way. With the sun comes shadows. Lying to oneself because of misfortune is to put one into a frozen space on the ladder of life. Always happiness awaits even the most bleak moments. arhataosho.com http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Crow (Re: Hawk Cam)
Crow bad Karma? Crow's Nerve Fails (Ted Hughes ) Crow, feeling his brain slip, Finds his every feather the fossil of a murder. Who murdered all these? These living dead, that root in his nerves and his blood Till he is visibly black? How can he fly from his feathers? And why have they homed on him? Is he the archive of their accusations? Or their ghostly purpose, their pining vengeance? Or their unforgiven prisoner? He cannot be forgiven. His prison is the earth. Clothed in his conviction, Trying to remember his crimes Heavily he flies. (How can he fly from his feathers - ain't that great!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: Richard, thanks for the recommendation. I have not heard of the book before but I plan on getting it now. Crows and ravens are my favorite all around bird. Just a few months ago I was walking across the jail parking lot, going to visit some clients, and there was a big seagull tugging and tearing at a discarded bag of Cheetos. You could see that there were still a few cheetos in the bag and the gull was intent on getting them. He struggled to rip the bag but wasn't making any progress at all when suddenly a crow swooped down, bullied the gull to one side, picked up the bag at the bottom end, dumped out the few remaining cheetos and quickly gobbled them up while the gull stood there, looking on incredulously. It was beautiful. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yeah, I was thinking something like that while I was watching the video. it's impossible not to dig being able to fly; and hawks and eagles have it all -- high-end flying ability, extraordinary vision, and an arsenal at their feet. And pelicans are pretty amazing, too. They fly in lines of 5, 6, and 7 around here, modern pteradactyls, low to the water, and each one *looks* like he/she is really thinking about flying. Even though they fly with total grace and pure confidence, it always strikes me that they are totally engaged in the process, too. Lots of considered adjustments to the flight, even as it appears effortless. I don't know how to describe it but they've got lots of presence. Ravens and crows are wonderful, too, very high guys. This reminded me of a review I saw a while back - a book about nothing else but crows and ravens. It seemed such an unlikely subject to me, but the review was fascinating and there was clearly a huge depth in the subject of which I had no idea. So I made a mental note to get the book. But like most of my good intentions, it slipped my mind until I saw you mention those guys here. The book is In the Company of Crows and Ravens by JM Marzluff. Have you come across it? Crows and people share similar traits and social strategies. To a surprising extent, to know the crow is to know ourselves. Corvid intellect goes beyond tricks and chance. The authors have witnessed a murder of a crow by its fellows. They've also observed funerals in which a mob of crows silently surrounds a departed member [not the murdered one] for a long period, only to depart without a sound beyond the flutter of wings. Quiet crows are unusual. They also, it has been learned, developed the ability to count. Tests conducted with crows indicate they can count to five. They also play. According to the authors, crows will slide down snowbanks or another smooth surface much as otters do, and with as little discernible purpose. Perhaps it's indicative that the Norse god Odin had two ravens, Thought and Memory as companions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
thanks for your post! please keep the controversy going! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! If that were really true, then there is no basis for the position taken by Judy and Raunchydog (and by the TMO's/Lynch Foun- dation's scumbag of a lawyer) that John Knapp and others expressing their critical points of view about TM, the TMO, and Maharishi should not be allowed to happen. Judy and Raunchydog have stated that they feel that revealing information about the puja and the nature of the mantras, etc. could be confusing to new meditators and spoil the innocence of their experience of TM. They have put themselves on the record as being firmly in favor of WITH- HOLDING such information, for the students' own good. The TMO scumbag lawyer went so far as to *threaten* John Knapp and his associates for holding a simple online conference, and intimidate them into can- celling it out of fear of an expensive lawsuit. So CLEARLY none of these people agree with you, Jim. Instead, they CLEARLY believe that saying anything negative about TM, the TMO, and Maharishi does **NOT** fall into the cate- gory of any publicity is good publicity. Instead, they believe that it is *detrimental* to TM and TMers and has to be suppressed and/or demonized. How do you reconcile your theory with what seems to be the *established policy* of the TM organization, and with its vocal supporters and apologists on this forum? And on another level, if your mind is so weak that a few days after a discussion here all that you can remember is that there was a discussion on TM, what does that say about TM really improving creative intelligence? Seems to me that you are saying that what it does is *impair* your memory and make you incapable of retaining information, right? Not that that should surprise us given your history of posts here... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store.
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
You forgot Maharishi's praise of Mugabe, Castro, etc. That's a juicy tidbit. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Wannabee TM Teacher Test Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or longer, so that I can ask them what 'enlightenment' is like and whether I want it, right? What are their names so I can contact them? 10. The tm.org Website used to talk about the TM-siddhis program, and how one can take a course to learn how to
[FairfieldLife] Marek -- Consider this beast too (Re: Hawk Cam)
Marek Reavis wrote: When I lived in Davis there were a few people I met who hunted with hawks and it was not only fascinating to watch but I envied their relationship with such fine and regal beings. Marek, Hey, I liked your smacking Nab for his gratuitous besmirching of Curtis, but . . . I call you to take wing into meta-thinking. We see ourselves thrilled to ride the back of a hawk -- to imagine the POV of such a mind that can so effortlessly be a prince of a realm we can but dimly conceive. The thrill is palpable. Yet, miss not, that a hawk is a world class killer despite its status as a Lord of the Clouds. Nor would the thrill be diminished if we had a camera riding the shoulder of any being out there. Put me in the world of an ant or elephant, and I'm mesmerized. But, as I wrote above, but . . . Isn't Nab just such a thrill ride? Isn't he soaring over landscapes only he knows as only he can? Is he not a winged prince of his POV? Isn't each post of his a looksee from a camera on his shoulder? Do we not voyeur his strange ways, his strategies for mastering his alien world, his deep idiosynchronicity, his hunt? Surely, we, who pride ourselves that we've been able to peer into the eyes of the most feral of minds and yet CONNECTED WITH THEM, might be served if we can de-giddy ourselves enough to see Nab as equally thrilling to ride. Why not, eh? Note that we are thrilled that we've vicariously been able to identify with a raptor -- a being that feels not the least concern when it attacks and eats a victim alive. Surely we can witness the POV of Nab with the same aplomb and brag of the adventure we've had by riding one of his posts in the same ways that we are comfortable with how we took wing with the hawk? This is a lesson in identification -- we we are able to witness the most heinous acts without feeling morally pinched for having done so. The witness cannot be burned, wetted or cleaved, eh? Just so, I call to all here to ride the back of Nab, thrill yourselves with the world he sees, the world in which he's capable of finding the FFL's mice that he finds so tasty to rip apart. See his landscapes, his realm and CONNECT with him and feel the same pride you'd feel if you camera-tandemed with a hawk. Isn't he simply adorable? Aren't we privileged to view his life? Isn't it thrilling to, safely from the comfort of our homes, CONNECT to him -- know him -- pretend to be him for a moment? Hey, in the future, what with technology knocking our socks off every day, it won't be long before we can voyeur any moment in history. Take a ride on Hitler's shoulder as he processes six million Jews into greasy smoke. Um, did I go too far with that? No I didn't. All of us are identifying with POVs that would shudder a Sat Yugan's mind to a halt. We're all little alien hitlerettes who think we know when it is proper to kill and eat. Ask a feedlot steer if it has a view of us that is not unlike a mouse's view of a hawk or a Jew's view of a Nazi. Ask any angel about a Kali Yugan's mind. We're so comfortable in a world of hurt when we're not hurting -- yet. Identity -- it is a bell tolling -- a pealing tone that calls us to witness our own soaring adventures over our inner landscapes and shudder. Shudder that we filter out most incoming data, and with precise visioning are able to find our brand of mice, and, in doing so, we miss most of reality as much as Nab misses when he's targeting his furry meals. What a piece of work is man . . . Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: From: Marek Reavis reavismarek@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:21 AM Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. They do the web surfing so you don't have to. I check them every morning to see what cool stuff is out there. The hawk cam was a bit disorienting but that final swoop down to the gloved hand was really fine. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ . wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: A small videocam strapped to a hawk. Almost 8 minutes long. The final swoop and dive hits the spot. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=APViUODDhT0 You find just the *best* videos, dude. I once wrote a story that featured a hawk named Garuda who did aerobatics for fun. Now I know what it would have looked like from his point of view.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
Turq, This is one nice effort. Put this in the hands of your imagined 16 year old, and she will be thoroughly armed against the TMO strategies. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or longer, so that I can ask them what 'enlightenment' is like and whether I want it, right? What are their names so I can contact them? 10. The tm.org Website used to talk about the TM-siddhis program, and how one can take a
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
yep- the way i look at it is not whether TM is a panacea for all (it does work spectacularly well for me, and a lot of others though...), but to just keep getting the name out there legitimizes it in the [spiritual] marketplace. for example with cars, i've never much cared for Chryslers- never purchased one, but there has been so much written and spoken about the brand, that i have always recognized it as a legitimate brand, regardless of who is saying what about it. same with the naysayers of TM. they may think it is a lousy technique, run by a corrupt organization, and led by a dead charlatan. so what? everyone is entitled to their opinion. the important thing is for this casual audience of 1200 or so FFL members to continue to be exposed to arguments pro and con about TM-- not Christianity, not Yogananda, not Buddhism, not mantra-less meditation, nor other forms of Yoga, but TM. as long as the ongoing discussion is, and continues to be about TM, it further legitimizes the brand in the awareness of those reading about it, whether they like it or not. the point is not whether those reading about TM make up their mind about it as a result of one opinion expressed or another, it is the repetition of the name and consequent growing familiarity of the technique that provides the benefit. so that when someone is in the market for a meditation technique, they may not immediately look favorably upon TM, but they will at least recognize it as a major brand, a household name, and give it more mindshare than if it were obscure and unknown. and this has always been the value of TM- a technique for the masses, a mcmeditation technique that most can benefit from. so getting the name out there, and keeping it out there is exactly what is needed. so we have here FREE viral advertising! and partly by some of its strongest detractors. gotta love it!...i may buy a Chrysler yet... jai guru dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: What you put your attention on grows. Is it just me, or does ED make some sense below? To me, if the world had ignored Ann Coulter, instead of paying attention to her dysfunctions, we'd not have the likes of Rep. Michele Bachmann. I mean, how many more pretty women are going to say to themselves: All I have to do is be outrageous, and because I'm pretty, I'll get airtime like Coulter. ??? This is THE sin of BigMedia -- they spotlight a clown and suddenly everyone is looking to buy bigass shoes and a red-bulb nose. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST OK - here's my best shot. But I admit some of it is a bit tricky... When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? Only in the sense that it would be true to say that western science is based on religion. Originally our modern science evolved out of the religion and philosophy of the middle ages. But to do TM and experience its benefits you are not required to believe anything religious (though you can add on top of the practice an interpretation from your own religion if you wish). 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? It doesn't really matter how many mantras there are, or whether you all all have the same mantra, or each has a different mantra. There is a simple method that your teacher uses to select a mantra that's suitable for you - and that's the important thing. 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? See (1) above. Many Hindus WILL add their own take on TM that fits their religion. But that is their choice. For example, just like us, the ancients knew of the medicinal value of the willow (aspirin). of course they didn't have a chemical name for it, and it many cases it was viewed through a superstitious or religious belief system. But because we all take aspirin these days, that does not mean that we subscribe to any of those belief systems too! 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? See (1) and (3) above. Kneeling is just kneeling. This is your first lesson in 'Zen'. As has been ably pointed out by the resident no-mind proponent on a web site called FFL (adult supervision required), what you *do* and *what you experience* are logically distinct form *what you believe about what you do* and *what you believe about your expereience*. It is said that this is only the Master's *opinion* - but it is not to be questioned! 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n Your momma and poppa should ahve told you that not all that you find on the web is *true*. It's also true that everyone makes mistakes! 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? Now you're a Raja wannabe? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? No, it's not. TM in itself does not involve anything but the ability to think. But see (1) and (3) above. Many folks who ARE religious like to get on down with a lot more than simple TM. But you only do that if you want to (correction: at your peril!) 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a
[FairfieldLife] Re: a quintessential Movement parody
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@... wrote: http://horizontalprogram.blogspot.com/ This is a fitting subject for my last post of the week. I simply cannot *believe* that no one has downloaded these and commented on them yet! Maybe they are all well-known among Fairfield Ru's, and so they are old news. But they are new news to me, and I have to send a hearty Well done, and I hope to share a beer or 10,000 with you in Hell to the albums' creators. This is REALLY, REALLY FUNNY STUFF !!! And really well-recorded as well. Great produc- tion, great harmonies and instrumentation, the whole tamale. Truly wonderful in joke humor, almost certainly lost on anyone who has never paid their dues in the TMO, but chuckle city to anyone who has. Deep bow. This is some of the ballsiest and most well-done spiritual parody I have ever seen in my entire life. I am in awe.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: a quintessential Movement parody
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a quintessential Movement parody This is by Andy MacKenszie, who's a very nice, funny guy and is still allowed in the dome despite his irreverence. He put out an album of very creatively mixed Beatle songs too. I'll pass your comments along to him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@... wrote: http://horizontalprogram.blogspot.com/ This is a fitting subject for my last post of the week. I simply cannot *believe* that no one has downloaded these and commented on them yet! Maybe they are all well-known among Fairfield Ru's, and so they are old news. But they are new news to me, and I have to send a hearty Well done, and I hope to share a beer or 10,000 with you in Hell to the albums' creators. This is REALLY, REALLY FUNNY STUFF !!! And really well-recorded as well. Great produc- tion, great harmonies and instrumentation, the whole tamale. Truly wonderful in joke humor, almost certainly lost on anyone who has never paid their dues in the TMO, but chuckle city to anyone who has. Deep bow. This is some of the ballsiest and most well-done spiritual parody I have ever seen in my entire life. I am in awe. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.50/2051 - Release Date: 04/10/09 06:39:00
[FairfieldLife] The Cute One (and TM) in the New Yorker
Transcendental All Together Now by Nancy Franklin http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?query=authorName:%22Nancy Franklin%22 April 13, 2009 [Paul McCartney] Paul McCartney Keywords Paul McCartney http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=Paul McCartney ; Ringo Starr http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=Ringo Starr ; The Beatles http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=The Beatles ; David Lynch Foundation http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=David Lynch Foundation ; Benefit Concerts http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=Benefit Concerts ; Meditation http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=Meditation ; Fund-Raisers http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=Fund-Raisers It's one thing to expect, at the age of seven, that you would grow up to marry Paul McCartney, and it's another thing entirely to meet him in person, forty-five years later. Kidding! They're exactly the same thing. That early expectation and the latter-day encounter both involve the maximum amount of happiness that the human frame can take, and both feel perfectly natural and, at the same time, unreal and impossible. The marriage never took place; the meeting occurred last week, when McCartney was in New York rehearsing for a benefit concert that he was headlining on Saturday for the David Lynch Foundation. The film director founded the organization several years ago in order to spread the practice of Transcendental Meditation, particularly to schoolchildren who are under stress because of poverty or any number of other debilitating, brain-scrambling aspects of modern life; the goal of the benefit was to raise enough money to teach meditation to a million kids, as the skill appears to help them focus and be happier and more resilient. The Beatles became associated with TM in 1968, when they went to India to study with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and two other sojourners from that time were on the bill on Saturday night as well: Mike Love, of the Beach Boys, and Donovan. And a third who also had some success in the music business, Ringo Starr. He and McCartney hadn't performed together since 2002, at a memorial concert for George Harrison. McCartney was rehearsing with his band in a studio in the West Twenties. In the reception area, you could hear, coming from behind closed doors, Drive My Car, and then Got to Get You Into My Life. McCartney's publicist then opened the doors as the group began Let It Be. If you'd been there, you'd have seen a woman's head actually snap back in the whiplash shock of catching sight of Paul, seated at the piano. (Lynch was in the room, too, sitting on a couch, wearing his usual white-shirt-and-black-jacket ensemble and his snazzy backswept hairdo. He was quiet and still as the group rehearsed, and just once reacted visibly to the performance, when he turned to a man next to him during With a Little Help from My Friends, and made some chopping motions to try to manually express the way the drummer, Abe Laboriel, Jr., hit a series of beats that were so totally right and in there.) McCartney wore jeans and a flowered shirt, tucked in, and soft dark-brown shoes. He looked almost dewy (he will be sixty-seven in June), without any of the beef-jerky stringiness of some of his rock peers. The recognizable Paulisms were there: the mouth becoming an O when he sang certain sounds, the head moving side to side three or four times in a row during the faster numbers. He was doing a run-through of the concert, including practice versions of his between-song patter. After Let It Be, he got up from the piano and said, self-consciously, So we say welcome`Welcome'because that's what we do, and waved his hand in a circle, and then sat back down and played Lady Madonna. He then went to the microphone stand between his two guitarists, Brian Ray and Rusty Anderson, strapped on an acoustic guitar, rolled up his sleeves past his elbows, and said, O.K., then a story about back in the sixties, and began singing Blackbird. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?sid=52600did=4sitetype\ =1affiliate=ny-randomcart * from the issue http://www.newyorker.com/humor/issuecartoons * cartoon bank http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?sid=52600did=4sitetype\ =1affiliate=ny-randomcart * e-mail this http://www.newyorker.com/contact/emailFriend?referringPage=http://www.c\ artoonbank.com/product_details.asp?sid=52600did=4sitetype=1affiliate=\ ny-randomcart After that, he said, The next song is a song I wrote for my friend John. Knowing that there would be applause at the mention of Lennon Saturday night, he added, Let's hear it for John. In the song, a tender ballad called Here Today, released only a little more than a year after Lennon was killed, Paul wonders how John might respond to Paul's musings about their relationship. It drifts to an end with the pensée And if I say I really loved you and was glad you came along and some Oohs, and sends listeners back not
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
these questions sound like something from an investigative reporter with an agenda- not someone honestly interested in TM. i wouldn't bother answering them, except to say that the person ought to go to the intro lecture, if they want to, and make up their mind after that. there is no reason to try and come up with answers to these questions, since the desire to do TM comes primarily from deep within us, and not as a result of some exercise in polemics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST OK - here's my best shot. But I admit some of it is a bit tricky... When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? Only in the sense that it would be true to say that western science is based on religion. Originally our modern science evolved out of the religion and philosophy of the middle ages. But to do TM and experience its benefits you are not required to believe anything religious (though you can add on top of the practice an interpretation from your own religion if you wish). 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? It doesn't really matter how many mantras there are, or whether you all all have the same mantra, or each has a different mantra. There is a simple method that your teacher uses to select a mantra that's suitable for you - and that's the important thing. 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? See (1) above. Many Hindus WILL add their own take on TM that fits their religion. But that is their choice. For example, just like us, the ancients knew of the medicinal value of the willow (aspirin). of course they didn't have a chemical name for it, and it many cases it was viewed through a superstitious or religious belief system. But because we all take aspirin these days, that does not mean that we subscribe to any of those belief systems too! 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? See (1) and (3) above. Kneeling is just kneeling. This is your first lesson in 'Zen'. As has been ably pointed out by the resident no-mind proponent on a web site called FFL (adult supervision required), what you *do* and *what you experience* are logically distinct form *what you believe about what you do* and *what you believe about your expereience*. It is said that this is only the Master's *opinion* - but it is not to be questioned! 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n Your momma and poppa should ahve told you that not all that you find on the web is *true*. It's also true that everyone makes mistakes! 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? Now you're a Raja wannabe? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
Oh what wicked webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive, but in this case the ends justify the means, you apparently didn't get that at your TTC course --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or longer, so that I can ask them what 'enlightenment' is like and whether I want it, right? What are their names so I can contact them? 10. The tm.org Website used to talk about the TM-siddhis program, and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
Grasshopper, you have too many thoughts for one seeking realization. Quick, what was your original face? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Turq, This is one nice effort. Put this in the hands of your imagined 16 year old, and she will be thoroughly armed against the TMO strategies. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or longer, so that I can ask them what 'enlightenment' is like and whether I want it, right? What are their names so I can contact them?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a quintessential Movement parody
This was hilarious and makes me proud to be a part of the Movement. There is certainly a lot of natural humour in the TM Movement. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a quintessential Movement parody --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@... wrote: http://horizontalprogram.blogspot.com/ This is a fitting subject for my last post of the week. I simply cannot *believe* that no one has downloaded these and commented on them yet! Maybe they are all well-known among Fairfield Ru's, and so they are old news. But they are new news to me, and I have to send a hearty Well done, and I hope to share a beer or 10,000 with you in Hell to the albums' creators. This is REALLY, REALLY FUNNY STUFF !!! And really well-recorded as well. Great produc- tion, great harmonies and instrumentation, the whole tamale. Truly wonderful in joke humor, almost certainly lost on anyone who has never paid their dues in the TMO, but chuckle city to anyone who has. Deep bow. This is some of the ballsiest and most well-done spiritual parody I have ever seen in my entire life. I am in awe. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Cowboy Wisdom
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Will Rogers, who died in a plane crash with Wylie Post
in 1935, was one of the better sages this country has
known.
Enjoy the following gems of his 'Cowboy Wisdom':
* Never miss a good chance to shut up.
* If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging..
* A fool and his money are soon elected.
* A holding company is a thing where you hand an
accomplice the goods while the policeman searches you.
* All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that's an
alibi for my ignorance.
* America is becoming so educated that ignorance will be
a novelty. I will belong to the select few.
* Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're
paying for.
* Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice doggy until you can
find a rock.
* Don't let yesterday use up too much of today.
* Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you
just sit there.
* Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
* Everything is funny . as long as it's happening to
somebody else.
* Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of
experience comes from bad judgment.
* There are three kinds of men:
The few that learn by reading.
The few who learn by observation.
Then, there's the rest of us who have to pee on the
electric fence and find out for ourselves.
ABOUT GROWING OLDER
First ~
Eventually you will reach a point when you stop lying
about your age and start bragging about it.
Second ~
The older we get, the fewer things seem worth
waiting in line for.
Third ~
Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not
me, I want people to know why I look this way. I've
traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.
Fourth ~
When you are dissatisfied and would like to go back
to youth, think of Algebra.
Fifth ~
You know you are getting old when everything either
dries up or leaks.
Sixth ~
I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to
the top..
Seventh ~
One of the many things no one tells you about aging
is that it is such a nice change from being young.
Eighth ~
One must wait until evening to see how splendid the
day has been.
Ninth ~
Being young is beautiful, but being old is comfortable.
And finally ~
Learn to laugh at trouble. If you don't, you won't have
anything to laugh at when you are old.
Best wishes,
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[FairfieldLife] Marek -- Consider this beast too (Re: Hawk Cam)
Edg, I'm with you. We ride on the shoulders of all those we interact with here. I recognize myself in Nablusoss1008 and in his deep conviction and love for Maharishi and the TMO I also see my reflection, though from a different period in my life. Furthermore, I've noticed over the past year a more nuanced and even considerate and humorous personality in his postings than before, and that is heartening, too. Insults and rude epithets, however, almost always dissappoint me, no matter the source. Coming from individuals pursuing spirituality they seem even more inappropriate. Ignoring them is my general rule, but occasionaly I'm prompted to comment as I did this time. Thanks, brother. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Marek Reavis wrote: When I lived in Davis there were a few people I met who hunted with hawks and it was not only fascinating to watch but I envied their relationship with such fine and regal beings. Marek, Hey, I liked your smacking Nab for his gratuitous besmirching of Curtis, but . . . I call you to take wing into meta-thinking. We see ourselves thrilled to ride the back of a hawk -- to imagine the POV of such a mind that can so effortlessly be a prince of a realm we can but dimly conceive. The thrill is palpable. Yet, miss not, that a hawk is a world class killer despite its status as a Lord of the Clouds. Nor would the thrill be diminished if we had a camera riding the shoulder of any being out there. Put me in the world of an ant or elephant, and I'm mesmerized. But, as I wrote above, but . . . Isn't Nab just such a thrill ride? Isn't he soaring over landscapes only he knows as only he can? Is he not a winged prince of his POV? Isn't each post of his a looksee from a camera on his shoulder? Do we not voyeur his strange ways, his strategies for mastering his alien world, his deep idiosynchronicity, his hunt? Surely, we, who pride ourselves that we've been able to peer into the eyes of the most feral of minds and yet CONNECTED WITH THEM, might be served if we can de-giddy ourselves enough to see Nab as equally thrilling to ride. Why not, eh? Note that we are thrilled that we've vicariously been able to identify with a raptor -- a being that feels not the least concern when it attacks and eats a victim alive. Surely we can witness the POV of Nab with the same aplomb and brag of the adventure we've had by riding one of his posts in the same ways that we are comfortable with how we took wing with the hawk? This is a lesson in identification -- we we are able to witness the most heinous acts without feeling morally pinched for having done so. The witness cannot be burned, wetted or cleaved, eh? Just so, I call to all here to ride the back of Nab, thrill yourselves with the world he sees, the world in which he's capable of finding the FFL's mice that he finds so tasty to rip apart. See his landscapes, his realm and CONNECT with him and feel the same pride you'd feel if you camera-tandemed with a hawk. Isn't he simply adorable? Aren't we privileged to view his life? Isn't it thrilling to, safely from the comfort of our homes, CONNECT to him -- know him -- pretend to be him for a moment? Hey, in the future, what with technology knocking our socks off every day, it won't be long before we can voyeur any moment in history. Take a ride on Hitler's shoulder as he processes six million Jews into greasy smoke. Um, did I go too far with that? No I didn't. All of us are identifying with POVs that would shudder a Sat Yugan's mind to a halt. We're all little alien hitlerettes who think we know when it is proper to kill and eat. Ask a feedlot steer if it has a view of us that is not unlike a mouse's view of a hawk or a Jew's view of a Nazi. Ask any angel about a Kali Yugan's mind. We're so comfortable in a world of hurt when we're not hurting -- yet. Identity -- it is a bell tolling -- a pealing tone that calls us to witness our own soaring adventures over our inner landscapes and shudder. Shudder that we filter out most incoming data, and with precise visioning are able to find our brand of mice, and, in doing so, we miss most of reality as much as Nab misses when he's targeting his furry meals. What a piece of work is man . . . Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: From: Marek Reavis reavismarek@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:21 AM Turq, thanks. My main source for cool stuff on the net is Neatorama.com. They do the web surfing so
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
an exquisite and delicious mind f*ck from the Master himself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: You forgot Maharishi's praise of Mugabe, Castro, etc. That's a juicy tidbit. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Wannabee TM Teacher Test Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Ex'rs and the Neocon Brain -------- was /// TMers are so desperate for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: I like how the TM-ex crowd have no reasoning arguments, but only laughable put-downs and sad little strawmen.You are like the Neocons of the last few years. They are almost exactly the same. The TM-Ex'rs, and the Neocon Fox News nutcases cannot see the obvious. What is in front of their face. They thought McCain could actually win ! ! ! --- Lol ! And now the TM-Ex crowd thinks their rantings will mean something to the real world. And just like Fox News, and the Republicans, the TM-ex crowd are finding themselves more and more irrelevant, and so their only recourse is to attack personally anyone that says anything, and call them 'radical' and 'stupid'.The reason I like that the TM-ex crowd are flailing around like the irrelevant Fox News nutters, is that it means one barely needs to bother responding to them, they are so ridiculous. Almost everyone now thinks the Neocons are a joke. Its the same with you Turq, and the other Pseudo-rationalists, and Fanatics Against TM group (FAT.)Your gesticulations are merely the flailings of dieing old men, who don't know what to do, as they find themselves more and more marginalised and less and less relevant to the world. The more you flail, the less people listen to you. The more a fool you make of yourself.Old man Turquoise, Curt, Geezer, Grate, Vaj etc. Your rantings are a sad expression of how irrelevant you feel now that you are faced with such broad range of support for TM, with everything from genius film-makers, to mainstream comedians, to shock-jocks, to 60's rock icons, to techno masters. From the NIH, to Judges in Missouri. From Principals of schools to top medical journals. TM is everywhere now. This concert is the tip of the iceberg. The flood is coming. This is the transition phase, and your world is disappearing. You can rant all you want, but just like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'reilly, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, no-one is taking you seriously anymore, and you are finding yourself irrelevant. This is the truth. Not a put-dow. I am doing you a favor to tell you this. Your worst enemy would not point this about about your pathetic life. I am here to help you. I am sorry that as you age and find yourself friendless, that you have to find your identity in anonymous postings on FFL, insulting anyone with an opinion that is not part of your little group of senile geriatrics in cyberspace. It is very sad for you old men, that that is the the way your latter years will fade into obscurity and irrelevance . Your loneliness is written in your every post Turq. It shouts like the cries of a fox in a trap. Fade away now in your lonely senility. Its sad, but it is very Zen of you, and maybe that is your last truly irrelevant act. To become entirely forgotten and alone.It is a the act of an idiot-hero .. one whose epitaph reads: Here lies Turq ... a legend in his own mindOffWorld HaHa, very funny and to the point. Well said !
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? Yes. But it's not incompatible with other religions, just take our word for it, at least until your check clears. 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? Yes. We believe in safety in numbers and all that good stuff. And if you don't, just stuff it, OK? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? Yes. But what you (or they) don't know won't hurt you, so just chill, OK? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? You may be asked, but you don't have to. To hell with the rest of your question. 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n Oh, ha ha hoo tee hee ha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha...HA! That's a scream!Those are just loonies from the local sanitorium, on Halloween! We let them come over here once a year so they can get a little fresh air. Sorry if they scared you. 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? Yes. 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? For one thing, it's pandits, not to be confused with pandas, which at least are cute, even though I've heard they're not very friendly, which brings us back to the pundits, or maybe the rajas. Now I'm confused! 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? The real story is, he said them but was delirious at the time. It's also the end of the story. 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as 5-8 years. If this is true, surely you can point me to some of the people who have been practicing TM for that period of time or longer, so that I can ask them what 'enlightenment' is like and whether I want it, right? What are their names so I can contact them? 10. The tm.org Website used to talk about the
[FairfieldLife] The First 5 Minutes
I DVR'd three new TV series this week: The Unusuals on ABC, Southland on NBC and Harper's Island on CBS. The Unusuals wasn't bad but I'm not a big fan of cop shows. I think they're propaganda most of the time unless you get into more realistic bad cop scenarios. Why do we have so many cop shows anyway? I'm not that fascinated with police work but maybe it sells well to the undereducated. And Southland was yet another cop show laking place in Los Angeles. The First 5 minutes is what I give a new series to see if it grabs me or not. The Unusuals passed the test but Southland and Harper's Island did not. They will probably get erased from the DVR without seeing the rest of the pilot. Harper's Island is particularly bad and obviously not for an educated audience the first 5 was SO dumb. Having lived in Seattle there is no Harper's Island I know of and I noted the exteriors supposedly in Seattle had some high rises in the background. Seattle has few high rises. I think they were banned probably in the 1960's. Vancouver has a ton of them. But the first 5 minutes of the story was so lame and didn't get into what the crux of the story is about. Southland was just weak and of course yet another cop show so I won't waste any more time on it. That saves a lot of time for movies especially as we go into summer and the networks figure no one watches TV. Before I sign off I want to mention this week's episode of Reaper which stars Ray Wise as the Devil. It's a great comedy created by Kevin Smith (Clerks). In this week's episode the Devil was playing around with a camcorder and throughout the show he had the camcorder. At one point he says something like this is beginning to turn out like a David Lynch movie. That's an in joke of course because Wise played a character on Twin Peaks. Also of note on this series is Jenny Wade who is a great young comedianne playing a demon who takes human form to have a relationship with Ben the Rick Gonzales character. She's got great comedic timing and I'm sure we'll be seeing more from her. So why do low budget series like Reaper are a success (BTW an ABC production) a bigger budgeted series fail? Too much bean counter intervention? It seems the most successful series have the least intervention by the network or the creators supported by the network. A friend brings me his back issues of The Hollywood Reporter and it is interesting to read the inside stories on some of these shows. Recently there was an article on Julia Roberts talking about her making a comeback. The article mentioned that she sold well during the Clinton era as people liked more easy going roles like she played but during the Bush era the more hard core Angelina Jolie roles sold better. I still don't know if Roberts will sell that well during the Obama era as I really don't think she that good an actress (her brother is much better) but she does well in subdued roles. The political observation was interesting because I noted when India got it's progressive leader and the conservative BJP lost power Bollywood movies got pretty crappy. I think it may have something to do with challenging the current regime. If that is so we may get worse movies during the Obama administration than the Bush one.
[FairfieldLife] How to avoid a banking crisis - advice from the 14th century
In Barcelona, from 1300, book entries by credit transfer legally ranked equally with original deposits among the liabilities of bankers. Those who failed were forbidden ever to keep a bank again, and were to be detained on bread and water until all the account-holders were satisfied in full. In 1321 the legislation there was greatly increased in severity. Bankers who failed and did not settle up in full within a year were to be beheaded and their property sold for the satisfaction of their account-holders. This was actually enforced. Francesch Castello was beheaded in front of his bank in 1360. (from pickinglosers.co.uk)
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to avoid a banking crisis - advice from the 14th century
Richard M wrote: In Barcelona, from 1300, book entries by credit transfer legally ranked equally with original deposits among the liabilities of bankers. Those who failed were forbidden ever to keep a bank again, and were to be detained on bread and water until all the account-holders were satisfied in full. In 1321 the legislation there was greatly increased in severity. Bankers who failed and did not settle up in full within a year were to be beheaded and their property sold for the satisfaction of their account-holders. This was actually enforced. Francesch Castello was beheaded in front of his bank in 1360. (from pickinglosers.co.uk) I think the banksters have already lost their heads. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: an exquisite and delicious mind f*ck from the Master himself. What He did in these cases, from Haile Selasie and Peron, to the Shah and Ferdinand Marcos was to boldster their egos and in that way give the TMO a foothold in that country simply by being present and meditating in groups. The historybooks of the future will no doubt bring in all the details of what was happening behind the scenes in these historic events. Maharishi spent a lot of time and resources on these operations; in all of these countries a peaceful transistion to a different system from dicatorship was accomplished, even under very trying conditions indeed for everyone involved. Regarding Iran many would claim that it went from bad to worse, but nevertheless the process of transformation was painless; nobody got hurt because we where there to calm down the collective consciousness. He did this as a sideline to everythyng else He did at the time; Maharishi literally saved thousands of human lives. And since this is my last comment of this week, just a quick remark to you Marek: It's nice that you have observed that I do not use harsh words as often as before, nor do I ask Edg to get back on medication any more. Neither do I recommend a checking as often. The reason for this is not because I have mellowed (or perhaps a little bit) but mainly because I see these recommendations have no effect. Unfortunately, many of the anti-TM-bashers on this forum seems to have stiffled beyond growth and understanding; it's simply what they live for, they are getting old and in their desperation think that they have found an area to make a difference during the last few years of their silly lives. In addition some fellows here are doing their anti-TM activity on a professional basis, so why bother ? I find your interest in Ravens and Crows very heartening. As a young boy of about 6 I nutured a chicken-Crow that had fallen out of the nest with water-milk and bread on the warm floor of our bathroom until he flew away quite happily. Since then I am always aware of their activities, particularily their distance to me, the angle from where they appear and the particular sounds they are making towards my direction. Last time I was in Kovalam Beach in India a Raven settled on my head as I was going down the outdoor steps from my hotel-room and stayed there until I reached the ground. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: You forgot Maharishi's praise of Mugabe, Castro, etc. That's a juicy tidbit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
thanks for your post-- really enjoyed reading it. i find crows so very talkative and aware-- fascinating birds, very smart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: an exquisite and delicious mind f*ck from the Master himself. What He did in these cases, from Haile Selasie and Peron, to the Shah and Ferdinand Marcos was to boldster their egos and in that way give the TMO a foothold in that country simply by being present and meditating in groups. The historybooks of the future will no doubt bring in all the details of what was happening behind the scenes in these historic events. Maharishi spent a lot of time and resources on these operations; in all of these countries a peaceful transistion to a different system from dicatorship was accomplished, even under very trying conditions indeed for everyone involved. Regarding Iran many would claim that it went from bad to worse, but nevertheless the process of transformation was painless; nobody got hurt because we where there to calm down the collective consciousness. He did this as a sideline to everythyng else He did at the time; Maharishi literally saved thousands of human lives. And since this is my last comment of this week, just a quick remark to you Marek: It's nice that you have observed that I do not use harsh words as often as before, nor do I ask Edg to get back on medication any more. Neither do I recommend a checking as often. The reason for this is not because I have mellowed (or perhaps a little bit) but mainly because I see these recommendations have no effect. Unfortunately, many of the anti-TM-bashers on this forum seems to have stiffled beyond growth and understanding; it's simply what they live for, they are getting old and in their desperation think that they have found an area to make a difference during the last few years of their silly lives. In addition some fellows here are doing their anti-TM activity on a professional basis, so why bother ? I find your interest in Ravens and Crows very heartening. As a young boy of about 6 I nutured a chicken-Crow that had fallen out of the nest with water-milk and bread on the warm floor of our bathroom until he flew away quite happily. Since then I am always aware of their activities, particularily their distance to me, the angle from where they appear and the particular sounds they are making towards my direction. Last time I was in Kovalam Beach in India a Raven settled on my head as I was going down the outdoor steps from my hotel-room and stayed there until I reached the ground. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: You forgot Maharishi's praise of Mugabe, Castro, etc. That's a juicy tidbit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: thanks for your post-- really enjoyed reading it. i find crows so very talkative and aware-- fascinating birds, very smart. --- Bhusunda, the long-lived crow: http://snipurl.com/fnbux [books_google_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
...and this, sadly, is why the DLF initiative is a non-starter, at least in America. Barry's hypothetical test below is not only not far off the mark, it is likely to be precisely what will be played out time and time and time again whenever and whereever the TMO approaches American public schools (and, for that matter, much applies to private schools as well). And you don't even need a John Knapp to stir up things...one curious mind out of a 500 student body...and access to Google is all it takes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Finally, for all of those out there in FFL-Land who (given their posting history) have always wanted to be considered the equal of TM Teachers and thus be able to provide the answers we have already prepared in reply to any question asked of them, here is a Pre- TM Teacher Training Course test for you. By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an Almost TM Teacher, one able to parrot the right answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. Real TM Teachers, recertified or not, are also encourage to participate by taking the test. So are TM critics. It's an equal opportunity test. :-) * THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on the Web like this one: http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/maharishi_vedic_pandits12.html This is an official TM Website, right? So why have all mentions of these 'pundits' been removed from the main site? And what's up with their funny clothes and all sitting in neat little rows chanting Indian religious scriptures like that? Is this what you have in mind for us during Quiet Time? 8. Did Maharishi *really* call Britain a scorpion nation and forbid the teaching of TM there? Did he *really* say Damn Democracy? Did he *really* say that most of the capital cities of the world should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up based on rules he found in ancient Indian scriptures? These things have all been said on the Websites I've visited, and they sound too outlandish to be true. What's the real story? 9. Another thing that seems to be missing from the tm.org Website recently is any mention of enlighten- ment. That used to be ALL OVER that Website. One site I found said that Maharishi used to promise enlighten- ment as a result of practicing the TM technique for as little as
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
thanks for a fascinating taste of the yoga vasistha. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: thanks for your post-- really enjoyed reading it. i find crows so very talkative and aware-- fascinating birds, very smart. --- Bhusunda, the long-lived crow: http://snipurl.com/fnbux [books_google_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: **snip And since this is my last comment of this week, just a quick remark to you Marek: It's nice that you have observed that I do not use harsh words as often as before, nor do I ask Edg to get back on medication any more. Neither do I recommend a checking as often. The reason for this is not because I have mellowed (or perhaps a little bit) but mainly because I see these recommendations have no effect. Unfortunately, many of the anti-TM-bashers on this forum seems to have stiffled beyond growth and understanding; it's simply what they live for, they are getting old and in their desperation think that they have found an area to make a difference during the last few years of their silly lives. In addition some fellows here are doing their anti-TM activity on a professional basis, so why bother ? I find your interest in Ravens and Crows very heartening. As a young boy of about 6 I nutured a chicken-Crow that had fallen out of the nest with water-milk and bread on the warm floor of our bathroom until he flew away quite happily. Since then I am always aware of their activities, particularily their distance to me, the angle from where they appear and the particular sounds they are making towards my direction. Last time I was in Kovalam Beach in India a Raven settled on my head as I was going down the outdoor steps from my hotel-room and stayed there until I reached the ground. :-) **snip to end Nablusoss1008, regardless of the reasons, I appreciate very much the more tolerant posts you've been making these last many months, and only offer my encouragement. I love your crow experiences. I've had several myself, some quite profound; or at least, they affected me profoundly. When my son was just around the age you were when you saved your chicken-Crow, he found a young, adolescent raven under some trees that was hurt in some unknown way. Being a fan of Edgar Allen Poe at the time, he named the young raven Nevermore and attempted to do what you did with your fledgling. Unfortunately, whatever Nevermore had wasn't amenable to my son's loving care and Nevermore died within a couple of weeks. I discovered dead in the morning but left him for my son. It was my son's first direct experience of death and it was both hard and beautiful to see his grief over Nevermore's death. He held the raven's body close to his chest and cried, not in a child's way, but in deep and authentic grief. The raven had given him love and loss, two valuable gifts. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Jai Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? So how healthy is that health food?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! Ah, I think that is more of a myth than anything. How about the bad publicity the Catholics got from their cover-ups of pedophile priests? I can't really divorce myself from what I know and think about TM, but I have a hard time believing that someone coming here would go away not having a feel for some of the criticism surrounding TM. If there was the net back in the days I was poking around at spirituality my guess is that I would have stayed far away from TM. However, I do think the criticisms help reinforce the TBs in their beliefs. Wonder how the bad publicity concerning Scientology has effected getting new members? It probably helps inspire the rank and file, but getting newbies? I bet it hurts.
[FairfieldLife] US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30111906 By: Albert Bozzo, Senior Features Editor | 09 Apr 2009 | 11:55 AM ET You've heard all the gloom and doom about this recession. Now here's some good news: the economic recovery could happen much sooner—and be much stronger—than anyone thought possible. Suddenly, a small but growing group of private-sector economists is disputing the idea that the recession will drag on for months and that the rebound will be as weak as those following the the 1991 and 2001 downturns. “Too many people’s idea of recession have been formed by the last two recessions,” says Robert Brusca of Fact Opinion Economics, referring to the 1991 and 2001 periods, which were both short and shallow. I think that's mistaken.” “People have been talking about an L-shaped recession,” adds Michael Mussa, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. “The record shows you come back sharply from deep recessions” like the current one. These economists and others see a V-shaped pattern, similar to that of the recession-recovery periods of the 1970s and 1980s. And they say there is ample evidence to support it. Among the reasons for the new optimism: a significant easing of the credit crunch, improvement in consumer spending—including better auto sales—a potential bottom in housing, a less-grim jobs picture and expectations that the government's massive stimulus spending could start boosting economic growth almost immediately. That doesn’t mean anyone is saying the recession is over yet. But the end is closer than people think. Though the decline in first-quarter growth will be along the lines of the six-plus percent plunge of the fourth quarter of 2008, some economists now expect a flat or slightly negative showing in the second quarter, followed by the beginning of sustained growth in the third quarter. (That’s three months sooner than what many were forecasting several months ago.) Optimists acknowledge that existing headwinds and unforeseen events can quickly derail momentum, which may help explain why a majority of opinions--including that of the the Federal Reserve--still fall into the wait-and-see camp. “The velocity of downturn is lessening, says John J Castellani, chief economist and president of the Business Roundtable, who is more cautious than hopeful at this point. “In the initial part of the recovery, people will be very cautious about this being a double dip.” Nevertheless, those forecasting a strong recovery point first and foremost to the waning effects of the Lehman Brothers collapse last fall, which roughly coincides with the worst of the credit crunch, and triggered a massive chain reaction in payroll and production cuts. “The initial adjustment tends to be too big, then there’s some reversal of that,” says Ram Bhagavatula, managing director at the hedge fund, Combinatorics Capital. That dynamic will lead to swifter and stronger recovery in both the economy and employment that many economists are forecasting. Mussa, a former White House and International Monetary Fund economist, says that GDP will be a cumulative 6-8 percent higher six quarter than the bottom, depending on whether the recovery starts in the early or late summer. Brusca is expecting a minimum of 4.5 percent GDP growth over the first four quarters of the recovery All About The Economy Both performances compare favorably with the post-WWII average, and while they may be less than the recoveries of the 70s and 80s they are significantly more than those of the past two recessions In the 70s cycle, GDP shrank two consecutive years then posted GDP growth averaging 5 percent in 1976-1977; in the case of the 80s, the economy contracted 1.9 percent—more than economists expect for full year 2009—then grew 4.5 percent in the first year of recovery. By contrast, the 2001 recession was so brief and shallow, GDP didn’t register a contraction for the whole year. Growth in the 2002-2003 period, however, averaged just 2 percent. Similarly, in 1991, the economy shrank 0.2 percent, followed by 3-percent growth in 1992 and 1993. Economists also cite several reasons for better labor market conditions this time. They expect job losses as well as the unemployment rate to peak close to the time growth bottoms out, as was the case in the 80s and 90s, and thus not resemble the jobless recoveries of the two most recent recessions. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com
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[FairfieldLife] We're being lied to about Pirates off Somalia
Who is the Robber? The 'rest of the story'! Pirating off Somalia has increase over the past four or five years as fishermen from Somalia realize that pirating is more lucrative. . One cannot let that deliberate manipulation of the truth stand. === Some are clearly just gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and trawling Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates Monday, 5 January 2009 http://www.independ ent.co.uk/ opinion/commenta tors/johann- hari/johann- hari-you- are-being- lied-to-about- pirates-1225817. html Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the- shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as one of the great menaces of our times have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side. Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the golden age of piracy – from 1650 to 1730 – the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage Bluebeard that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often saved from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains Of All Nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then – plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry – you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked often, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages. Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied – and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively, without torture. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century. They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed quite clearly – and subversively – that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy. This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves. The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live. In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas. Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it. Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to dispose of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention. At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters. This is the context in
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: What you put your attention on grows. Is it just me, or does ED make some sense below? To me, if the world had ignored Ann Coulter, instead of paying attention to her dysfunctions, we'd not have the likes of Rep. Michele Bachmann. I mean, how many more pretty women are going to say to themselves: All I have to do is be outrageous, and because I'm pretty, I'll get airtime like Coulter. ??? This is THE sin of BigMedia -- they spotlight a clown and suddenly everyone is looking to buy bigass shoes and a red-bulb nose. Cyber-space and meat-space (just learned that term and had to use it!) have their similarities. The theory is that if you ignore a troll the troll will move on. The problem is getting everyone to agree not only to ignore the troll but that the troll is a troll. Not likely to happen. That is why many forums have moderators and ban troublemakers. That would never work here because everyone is a troublemaker. ;) So, the world wasn't going to ignore Ann Coulter and the fact that I personally ignore her is meaningless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? So how healthy is that health food? *** I don't know if you have ever done any gardening, but anybody who has, or who has /readthought about gardening, knows that a good seed is not the only thing that counts when considering growth. Obviously environment is a factor in growth when you plant a seed, and it's the same for the seed mantra of TM when it's planted in a personality. It's not only the person's nervous system when they start TM, which could range from seriously mentally ill to nearly enlightened, but it's a matter of the person's karma and the amount of stress in the environment, which is naturally quite high in the Kaliyuga. You might not see much growth at all in some people, even over decades of TM, because their nervous system is so twisted and their environment is so unhappy, which does not allow bliss consciousness to unfold -- it's like a good seed thrown into a bunch of weeds, it's growth may be little or nothing. The point about the health food store is that Stern is qualified to say TM is a good thing, even if he's not too sattvic a guy -- even as anybody even in the worst health can sell stuff at a health food store.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: ing. The point about the health food store is that Stern is qualified to say TM is a good thing, even if he's not too sattvic a guy -- even as anybody even in the worst health can sell stuff at a health food store. But if that sick person says, here, I have been eating this health food for years, look at how it has helped me and you a sick person, wouldn't a reasonable person wonder about how healthy that food really is? And if all you can grow is a shriveled plant what is the point?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. Which comes back to my theory of meditaton, that it doesn't really improve people in any way that matters to people around them. It is an internal choice of a mental state that is important only to the person who prefers it. In this model we have to ditch every single claim of meditation's benifits to a person's social behavior. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have an internal value to the person. It obviously does, or they wouldn't continue given the lack of external, noticeable benifits to people around them. And I don't believe meditation or the fantasy worlds he enjoys have made Nabulous1008 worse in any way. I meet people like him in every field I interact with. It doesn't speak poorly about TM that he acts this way, it is all on him. TM is just a specialness prop. It could be anything, being the best cat show judge! You should see some of those misanthropes in action. So I second the idea that meditators are not worse, or better (my addition) to anyone else in the world. They are the same mix we find everywhere and the decades of practice hasn't seemed to have shifted this reality. I wonder about this. Most TBs started when they were young and impressionable so TM played a big role in making them who they are, especially if they got caught up in the TMOs organizational aspects. But the question we can't answer is whether they would have found another cult, another prop? We can never know. But given the age so many become believers I am not ready to believe it is all on the believer. That is why I express dismay when I think about TM in the schools. Kids are so impressionable. I do have to remind myself that most people who start TM don't keep up with it and my pool of TBs inevitably is an odd group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: I don't get it... How could Easter be described as the 'Holiest of Days?' The guy gets crucified, by Rome and the Jewish puppets of Rome. They later change the story to blame the Jews for his death. Then they claim his tortured crucifixion is a holy thing? Seems to me that would be the un-holiest thing I can think of. Let's see if we can come up with some other 'Holy Days'? November 11, 1963; December 8, 1980; April 4, 1968... Religion, what a crazy thing! R.G. Madison, WI The holy thing is that he came back from the dead. Otherwise the story would be pointless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
You've heard all the gloom and doom about this recession. Now here's some good news: the economic recovery could happen much soonerand be much strongerthan anyone thought possible. thanks for posting this, i really need to hear some good economic news. this economy is really stressing me out like nothing else before, i can just barely keep myself afloat and it hurts!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? Which of us is in a position to determine who is on the road and who isn't? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? Who knows, and who cares? His sidekick, Robin Quivers (also a committed TMer), says when people tell her they can't believe Stern meditates, she says, Think of what he would be like without TM. (No, that's not meant to be proof of anything. The point is, you can't tell where a person is on the path and shouldn't attempt to judge.) So how healthy is that health food? Stern's fabulously successful at what he does. Seems like TM was pretty healthy for him. (But that's kind of not the point of MMY's analogy of the owner of the health-food store, you know?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Mike, the falconer in the video has a Web site: http://cemai.mejorforo.net It's in Spanish, unfortunately. But click Videos on the menu underneath the photo for more of his videos. They seem to all be YouTube videos, though, so you've probably seen them. But do take a look at his Galeria (photos) as well. He apparently participates in historical recreations at festivals with his hawks (which seem to be mostly eagles). There's a bunch of close-up shots of him *en costume* holding his gorgeous birds. I sent the flight video to my sister, who's a real hawk nut. She says she thinks it's a golden eagle, but she isn't sure. What do you say?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eh, Judy did you miss this: Questions about empathy for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Judy, Am I such a turd in your view that you are going to shun me when I ask for a reasonable amount of output from you for my input? You weren't before, but you sure are now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:14 PM, min.pige min.p...@yahoo.com wrote: You've heard all the gloom and doom about this recession. Now here's some good news: the economic recovery could happen much sooner—and be much stronger—than anyone thought possible. thanks for posting this, i really need to hear some good economic news. this economy is really stressing me out like nothing else before, i can just barely keep myself afloat and it hurts! You are indeed welcome. Now anyone have any idea where those trillions of dollars will go? Unlikely they'll be pulled out of circulation so they'll want to inflate something. That's the way of greed. Since I've seen this twice before in a decade and called the housing/mortgage boom right (though I pulled out of housing stocks way to soon), I'm going to go where the money goes and pull out quick. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Meant to add: Have you ever read The Sword in the Stone, the first volume of The Once and Future King by T.H. White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He wrote a book about the experience called The Goshawk. I just ordered it from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Goshawk-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/1590172493/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1239412980sr=8-1 http://tinyurl.com/c6yeow
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? So how healthy is that health food? How do you know he's not well on the road to enlightenment? What do you think enlightenment IS? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ing. The point about the health food store is that Stern is qualified to say TM is a good thing, even if he's not too sattvic a guy -- even as anybody even in the worst health can sell stuff at a health food store. But if that sick person says, here, I have been eating this health food for years, look at how it has helped me and you a sick person, wouldn't a reasonable person wonder about how healthy that food really is? And if all you can grow is a shriveled plant what is the point? But what if you can't grow any plants at all? L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
min.pige wrote: You've heard all the gloom and doom about this recession. Now here's some good news: the economic recovery could happen much sooner—and be much stronger—than anyone thought possible. thanks for posting this, i really need to hear some good economic news. this economy is really stressing me out like nothing else before, i can just barely keep myself afloat and it hurts! Yeah, they need you to go buy their stocks they want to dump. ;-) And why are you attached to the economy anyway? Maybe you need a better meditation program to help develop non-attachment. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
You are indeed welcome. Now anyone have any idea where those trillions of dollars will go? Unlikely they'll be pulled out of circulation so they'll want to inflate something. That's the way of greed. Since I've seen this twice before in a decade and called the housing/mortgage boom right (though I pulled out of housing stocks way to soon), I'm going to go where the money goes and pull out quick. ::: very interestingwell, if you have any tips on getting ahead financially, i'd love to hear them!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcending the Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: According to Paul McCartney in his recent interview by Howard Stern. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: Paul McCartney has stopped smoking that When and according to whom has McCartney stopped smoking marijuana? According to Paul McCartney. From Beatles Examiner, January 14, 2009: Paul McCartney on 'The Howard Stern Show' -- the dirty details! ...The subject turned to drugs. Stern says to Paul, Cocaine .. everyone knows you were addicted. Paul replied he was not addicted, it was a peer group thing. He says he never took heroin and says he got fed up with cocaine and got out before it was hip. He says he no longer does pot, either http://www.examiner.com/x-2082-Beatles-Examiner~y2009m1d14-Beatle-news-brief-Paul-McCartney-gives-Howard-Stern-a-birthday-gift http://tinyurl.com/8nx64v Listen to the audio. The comment about pot is at about 2:50: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKeysrhZZIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: One of the things I've found most fascinating in all of this post-concert I'm important because something I was once associated with is in the news idiocy is the continuing tendency on the part of the TMO and TMers to not *CARE* who the praise comes from as long as it's praise. I would bet that if they'd gotten a good review of the concert and its goals from Adolf Hitler they'd be putting that in their press releases, too. But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. At least the great Roger Ebert is not giving him a pass on being an idiot. Here is his reaction to Bill's latest hit list. The last line should be read over and over and over by Nabby, Judy, and Off. That's their reaction to this concert hype to a T. Well, no, it's certainly not mine. I've been a Beatles fan since the winter after I graduated from college (1963-64), before they made their first visit to the U.S. I'd have been tickled by this concert regardless of their association with TM. I think what we're seeing here from Barry is more of the distress the TM critics feel about the TMO being involved with something positive and successful. As to O'Reilly, anybody that gives him a pass on being an idiot is, well, an idiot. As they say, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That's no credit either to the clock or to what it was right about. (And O'Reilly's clock is right far less often than twice a day. Once every few years, maybe.) But the TM critics are *delirious* that they finally have something with which to do a guilt- by-association number: If O'Reilly likes it, it *must* be a really terrible thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB snip Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term heaven on earth. Now think of that heaven being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. And of course all the TM critics on FFL are sweet and nonjudgmental, right? I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellectual dishonesty.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drpetersutphen drpetersutp...@... wrote: This discussion around intellectual dishonesty is interesting, but I'm more interested in the term'hysterical what do you mean by it's use? It's just a non-explanitory term like saying people who see UFO's are hypnotized. WTF does that mean? I used it as shorthand for my impressions in my initial post that led to this discussion. I don't find it as imprecise as saying hypnotized as I meant it in the dictionary sense of an uncontrolled emotional reaction arising out of the circumstances. But to be clear, I am not talking about some mental disorder. I fleshed things out a bit when I talked about reasons people could be exhibiting certain behaviors when learning yogic flying. I mentioned group pressure and suggestibility, as well as other things. For example, you get a group together on a high intensity course, with certain expectations that something just might happen, and they paid a lot for that something, and someone shouts, or barks it can be infectious. And then justification can proceed from there. Given the wide variability of how people behaved at courses, and how this changed after people were told that they didn't need to make noise, this seems a reasonable explanation. Similarly, when you get certain sects of Christians together and they pray and chant and one person suddenly starts speaking gibberish, it can be infectious. Fortunately or unfortunately, I was not infected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: agreed-- as has been said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. and that goes for the TM and MMY bashers here too- just by criticizing and bashing TM they continue to keep it alive in the minds of those who read these posts. after some time all people remember was a discussion on TM, not what was said. its why people like Martha Stewart are still celebrities. keep it up! If that were really true, then there is no basis for the position taken by Judy and Raunchydog (and by the TMO's/Lynch Foun- dation's scumbag of a lawyer) that John Knapp and others expressing their critical points of view about TM, the TMO, and Maharishi should not be allowed to happen. None of the TM critics here will have the guts to call Barry on this lie about me and raunchydog. Neither of us has ever taken the position that expressing critical points of view about TM should not be allowed to happen. Who are the folks on this forum who *have* taken the should not be allowed to happen position? The TM *critics*. It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:32 PM, min.pige min.p...@yahoo.com wrote: very interestingwell, if you have any tips on getting ahead financially, i'd love to hear them! I'm starting a fund that will be mostly for high rollers and hedge funds. Minimum annual return 10%. Though I'm targeting high dollar individual/organizations, I can let in some lower net worth individuals in as charter investors. Interested?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip First, I think that it's wise to remember that, unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, that both of you are equating meditation in this discussion with Transcendental Meditation. I do not. My experience is that some other forms of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, Off, Judy. And which type of meditation is it that has led to *your* abherrent [sic] behavior, Barry? Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off the rails here? Of course not. Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for abherrent [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE HYPOCRISY. Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by Barry to comment on it. I don't know which is worse. snip There are so MANY like them that my experience leads me to believe that there IS something in particular *wrong* with the TM approach if it allows behavior like this to not only go on for decades, but to be officially praised as being On The Program. Of course, it isn't officially praised as being 'On the Program.' Nor is the TMO in a position to allow or not allow it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
Interested? : sure, Bernie, err, i mean, I AM :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. BWAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah, whoo-hoo, I'm like, man, shivering in my shoes in fear of being certified a coward by Barry. Good *grief*, talk about yer exaggerated sense of self-importance. For the record, as a matter of principle, I don't respond to questions or make statements under threat of being certified as a Bad Person if I decline. I think, in fact, that responding under such circumstances is the coward's choice. And of course the threat is a very much a coward's threat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ing. The point about the health food store is that Stern is qualified to say TM is a good thing, even if he's not too sattvic a guy -- even as anybody even in the worst health can sell stuff at a health food store. But if that sick person says, here, I have been eating this health food for years, look at how it has helped me and you a sick person, wouldn't a reasonable person wonder about how healthy that food really is? And if all you can grow is a shriveled plant what is the point? The point is that every human has his/her own environment, internal, karmic, surroundings, so it won't do to say that the expectations for growth are the same for all in whom the seed is planted. If two planters are sidebyside, with one with no weeds, good soil, etc, and the other is deprived of water, bad soil, choked with weeds, etc, then a shrivelly plant from the same seed in the poor planter could say to the thriving plant in the good planter, hey, how come I'm not doing as well as you?, but the answer would surely be obvious. With the exception of a handful of people, the most severely mentally ill people (who could possibly do ten minutes of TM, not in a group), the usual schedule of TM practice produces excellent results in stress reduction and expansion of awareness. I quit smoking (a three pack/day habit) after 10 months of TM without making any effort at all to quit -- the habit lost me, and I never dreamed about smoking, which people who force themselves to quit usually do. This does not mean that TM works the same for everybody, as is obvious with David Lynch, still smoking cigs after 37 yrs of TM. Even a shrivelled plant is better off with TM than without -- and of course the great majority of people practicing TM longterm have significant growth, which is why they continue the practice...Howard Stern knows TM is good for him, even if people question his character, so it's legit for him to say it's a good thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ing. The point about the health food store is that Stern is qualified to say TM is a good thing, even if he's not too sattvic a guy -- even as anybody even in the worst health can sell stuff at a health food store. But if that sick person says, here, I have been eating this health food for years, look at how it has helped me and you a sick person, wouldn't a reasonable person wonder about how healthy that food really is? And if all you can grow is a shriveled plant what is the point? But what if you can't grow any plants at all? L. Funny!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB snip Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term heaven on earth. Now think of that heaven being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. And of course all the TM critics on FFL are sweet and nonjudgmental, right? I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. Sooomight it not be time to move on? Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for chronic posters like you supposed to last until midnight on Friday???) it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into the fray.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip First, I think that it's wise to remember that, unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, that both of you are equating meditation in this discussion with Transcendental Meditation. I do not. My experience is that some other forms of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, Off, Judy. And which type of meditation is it that has led to *your* abherrent [sic] behavior, Barry? Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off the rails here? Of course not. Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for abherrent [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE HYPOCRISY. Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by Barry to comment on it. I don't know which is worse. Wholly schmolly. This public unravelling is almost sad to witness. Judy, read what you just wrote and take some time out to really think about it. Or don't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
Thanks! This is the type of news we need to hear on a regular basis. Even Mr. Doom and Gloom himself -- the president -- said that there were some glimmers of hope. So things are looking up! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: http://www.cnbc.com/id/30111906 By: Albert Bozzo, Senior Features Editor | 09 Apr 2009 | 11:55 AM ET You've heard all the gloom and doom about this recession. Now here's some good news: the economic recovery could happen much soonerand be much strongerthan anyone thought possible. Suddenly, a small but growing group of private-sector economists is disputing the idea that the recession will drag on for months and that the rebound will be as weak as those following the the 1991 and 2001 downturns. Too many people's idea of recession have been formed by the last two recessions, says Robert Brusca of Fact Opinion Economics, referring to the 1991 and 2001 periods, which were both short and shallow. I think that's mistaken. People have been talking about an L-shaped recession, adds Michael Mussa, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. The record shows you come back sharply from deep recessions like the current one. These economists and others see a V-shaped pattern, similar to that of the recession-recovery periods of the 1970s and 1980s. And they say there is ample evidence to support it. Among the reasons for the new optimism: a significant easing of the credit crunch, improvement in consumer spendingincluding better auto salesa potential bottom in housing, a less-grim jobs picture and expectations that the government's massive stimulus spending could start boosting economic growth almost immediately. That doesn't mean anyone is saying the recession is over yet. But the end is closer than people think. Though the decline in first-quarter growth will be along the lines of the six-plus percent plunge of the fourth quarter of 2008, some economists now expect a flat or slightly negative showing in the second quarter, followed by the beginning of sustained growth in the third quarter. (That's three months sooner than what many were forecasting several months ago.) Optimists acknowledge that existing headwinds and unforeseen events can quickly derail momentum, which may help explain why a majority of opinions--including that of the the Federal Reserve--still fall into the wait-and-see camp. The velocity of downturn is lessening, says John J Castellani, chief economist and president of the Business Roundtable, who is more cautious than hopeful at this point. In the initial part of the recovery, people will be very cautious about this being a double dip. Nevertheless, those forecasting a strong recovery point first and foremost to the waning effects of the Lehman Brothers collapse last fall, which roughly coincides with the worst of the credit crunch, and triggered a massive chain reaction in payroll and production cuts. The initial adjustment tends to be too big, then there's some reversal of that, says Ram Bhagavatula, managing director at the hedge fund, Combinatorics Capital. That dynamic will lead to swifter and stronger recovery in both the economy and employment that many economists are forecasting. Mussa, a former White House and International Monetary Fund economist, says that GDP will be a cumulative 6-8 percent higher six quarter than the bottom, depending on whether the recovery starts in the early or late summer. Brusca is expecting a minimum of 4.5 percent GDP growth over the first four quarters of the recovery All About The Economy Both performances compare favorably with the post-WWII average, and while they may be less than the recoveries of the 70s and 80s they are significantly more than those of the past two recessions In the 70s cycle, GDP shrank two consecutive years then posted GDP growth averaging 5 percent in 1976-1977; in the case of the 80s, the economy contracted 1.9 percentmore than economists expect for full year 2009then grew 4.5 percent in the first year of recovery. By contrast, the 2001 recession was so brief and shallow, GDP didn't register a contraction for the whole year. Growth in the 2002-2003 period, however, averaged just 2 percent. Similarly, in 1991, the economy shrank 0.2 percent, followed by 3-percent growth in 1992 and 1993. Economists also cite several reasons for better labor market conditions this time. They expect job losses as well as the unemployment rate to peak close to the time growth bottoms out, as was the case in the 80s and 90s, and thus not resemble the jobless recoveries of the two most recent recessions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:24 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: Thanks! This is the type of news we need to hear on a regular basis. Even Mr. Doom and Gloom himself -- the president -- said that there were some glimmers of hope. So things are looking up! So any thoughts out how Dr. BM and Dr. Hag are going to treat this? She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? Which of us is in a position to determine who is on the road and who isn't? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? Who knows, and who cares? His sidekick, Robin Quivers (also a committed TMer), says when people tell her they can't believe Stern meditates, she says, Think of what he would be like without TM. (No, that's not meant to be proof of anything. The point is, you can't tell where a person is on the path and shouldn't attempt to judge.) So how healthy is that health food? Stern's fabulously successful at what he does. Seems like TM was pretty healthy for him. (But that's kind of not the point of MMY's analogy of the owner of the health-food store, you know?) OK, so TM can make you a fabulously successful shock jock. Well, that doesn't do it for me. I maintain that it is fair to form an impression of TM by looking at long term meditators and their lives and looking at the organizations that promote TM and looking looking at what MMY had to say. Like Curtis said, the people don't seem any better off or any better people than non-meditators. I think that it is fair to have an impression of the effectiveness TM by looking at the meditators I know and seeing whether they are happy and well adjusted, whether they are successful contributors to society and have good family relationships. Unfortunately, I know too many long term meditators that have lives filled with problems. They might go on and on about the good meditation they had or hint at wonderful experiences, but it ends there. I trust that they were not all coming from such a low level that if they had not done TM they would be even less well adjusted. I find listening to the leaders of the movement especially unimpressive. I find reading what they write unimpressive. I find the sidelines especially unimpressive. Send me a check and I will arrange a yagya. But I won't talk to you if your house doesn't face east. Oh, let me take your pulse and prescribe you a vatta pacifying diet. If TM works, it sure doesn't seem to work very well. Most people quit. If the siddhis work, they don't work very well. No one flies and if it is hot out the murder rate will still go up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
This analogy beaks down quite quickly when one considers that many plants thrive best when stressed while others who have ideal conditions compete with other plants eventually for growing space. The master gardener knows what plants to plant where and how to grow them. They do not just throw seeds to the wind. Such persons who do are not gardeners. Make of that what you will, but even an otherwise good and vigorous plant, when planted by mistake still becomes a weed due to wrong location. Also besides having right conditions at the start, cultivation means watching the process, knowing the entire range of the plants growing cycle and when to harvest. Otherwise no cultivation can be said to have been accomplished. If considered from this standpoint, analogically, then it can be said that TMO has little or no plans for cultivation beyond a certain point, probably due to not knowing the entire range of growing cycle of the human, since as of yet most of TMO's claims are merely fantasy and fiction. Little science, or understanding can be said to be obvious in the Movement's handling of human resources. The only way TM can lead one to liberation is if the technique has all the natural internal guidance within itself to grow one to their fruition. Otherwise there's no cultivation within the TMO for those who need it. Checking alone is just for the technique. One always must consider what seed was really planted. I know for myself what my mantra is, do you? I doubt it! - Original Message - From: bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ing. The point about the health food store is that Stern is qualified to say TM is a good thing, even if he's not too sattvic a guy -- even as anybody even in the worst health can sell stuff at a health food store. But if that sick person says, here, I have been eating this health food for years, look at how it has helped me and you a sick person, wouldn't a reasonable person wonder about how healthy that food really is? And if all you can grow is a shriveled plant what is the point? The point is that every human has his/her own environment, internal, karmic, surroundings, so it won't do to say that the expectations for growth are the same for all in whom the seed is planted. If two planters are sidebyside, with one with no weeds, good soil, etc, and the other is deprived of water, bad soil, choked with weeds, etc, then a shrivelly plant from the same seed in the poor planter could say to the thriving plant in the good planter, hey, how come I'm not doing as well as you?, but the answer would surely be obvious. With the exception of a handful of people, the most severely mentally ill people (who could possibly do ten minutes of TM, not in a group), the usual schedule of TM practice produces excellent results in stress reduction and expansion of awareness. I quit smoking (a three pack/day habit) after 10 months of TM without making any effort at all to quit -- the habit lost me, and I never dreamed about smoking, which people who force themselves to quit usually do. This does not mean that TM works the same for everybody, as is obvious with David Lynch, still smoking cigs after 37 yrs of TM. Even a shrivelled plant is better off with TM than without -- and of course the great majority of people practicing TM longterm have significant growth, which is why they continue the practice...Howard Stern knows TM is good for him, even if people question his character, so it's legit for him to say it's a good thing. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. -Mirror time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
Lately, due to Facebook, I finally met up with old MIU buddies, and I was surprised to find that many if not most all of my friends are now in some humanitarian line of work. Even some people who seemed never to be that humanistic. So TM may be part of the growth of their compassion. One thing is certain and that is that no growth of awareness is wasted and growth of awareness does generally lead to becoming more compassionate. If one hasn't grown in compassion as a result of growth of awareness then it's most likely due to lack of any support in the environment for expressing that growth. But the TMO and other spiritual groups do lead to increased awareness, and they do also lead to communities based in compassion. How far they go is an expression of the system, or at very least is based in the environment of the system. Technique alone is not everything. - Original Message - From: ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? Which of us is in a position to determine who is on the road and who isn't? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? Who knows, and who cares? His sidekick, Robin Quivers (also a committed TMer), says when people tell her they can't believe Stern meditates, she says, Think of what he would be like without TM. (No, that's not meant to be proof of anything. The point is, you can't tell where a person is on the path and shouldn't attempt to judge.) So how healthy is that health food? Stern's fabulously successful at what he does. Seems like TM was pretty healthy for him. (But that's kind of not the point of MMY's analogy of the owner of the health-food store, you know?) OK, so TM can make you a fabulously successful shock jock. Well, that doesn't do it for me. I maintain that it is fair to form an impression of TM by looking at long term meditators and their lives and looking at the organizations that promote TM and looking looking at what MMY had to say. Like Curtis said, the people don't seem any better off or any better people than non-meditators. I think that it is fair to have an impression of the effectiveness TM by looking at the meditators I know and seeing whether they are happy and well adjusted, whether they are successful contributors to society and have good family relationships. Unfortunately, I know too many long term meditators that have lives filled with problems. They might go on and on about the good meditation they had or hint at wonderful experiences, but it ends there. I trust that they were not all coming from such a low level that if they had not done TM they would be even less well adjusted. I find listening to the leaders of the movement especially unimpressive. I find reading what they write unimpressive. I find the sidelines especially unimpressive. Send me a check and I will arrange a yagya. But I won't talk to you if your house doesn't face east. Oh, let me take your pulse and prescribe you a vatta pacifying diet. If TM works, it sure doesn't seem to work very well. Most people quit. If the siddhis work, they don't work very well. No one flies and if it is hot out the murder rate will still go up. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Judy , Ive seen many of this guy's videos on You Tube, they are good. I just came from the beach today, bird watching. Saw two adult Peregrines a Merlin and a first for me, a Golden Eagle, very rare down here. Thanks for thw web site. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:22 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon lt;mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Mike, the falconer in the video has a Web site: http://cemai. mejorforo. net It's in Spanish, unfortunately. But click Videos on the menu underneath the photo for more of his videos. They seem to all be YouTube videos, though, so you've probably seen them. But do take a look at his Galeria (photos) as well. He apparently participates in historical recreations at festivals with his hawks (which seem to be mostly eagles). There's a bunch of close-up shots of him *en costume* holding his gorgeous birds. I sent the flight video to my sister, who's a real hawk nut. She says she thinks it's a golden eagle, but she isn't sure. What do you say?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
I've never read TH White but do know that Goshawks are a very intense raptor. They are acciptiers which are very high strung with lightening reflexes. They are a challenge for falconers because they are so demanding that you find game for them. If you don't, they will take their frustraion out on you! I tarined a Coopers hawk, kind of a mini Goshawk, when I was a kid. It nailed me in the face when it came into a keen hunting condition and there wasn't game available. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:28 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Meant to add: Have you ever read The Sword in the Stone, the first volume of The Once and Future King by T.H. White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He wrote a book about the experience called The Goshawk. I just ordered it from Amazon: http://www.amazon. com/Goshawk- York-Review- Books-Classics/ dp/1590172493/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8 s=booksqid= 1239412980 sr=8-1 http://tinyurl. com/c6yeow
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: I don't get it... How could Easter be described as the 'Holiest of Days?' The guy gets crucified, by Rome and the Jewish puppets of Rome. They later change the story to blame the Jews for his death. Then they claim his tortured crucifixion is a holy thing? Seems to me that would be the un-holiest thing I can think of. Let's see if we can come up with some other 'Holy Days'? November 11, 1963; December 8, 1980; April 4, 1968... Religion, what a crazy thing! R.G. Madison, WI On the other hand - Do you believe in the idea of archetypes? You have here the symbol of the innocent lamb, of complete purity, exposed to the ultimate in evil and the Negative. And yet, as Christians would have it, the apparently defeated, weak victim comes out triumphant in the end. Perhaps the success of Christianity could be due to a resonance with some such archetype in our collective unconscious? Just trying to understand... I agree with the whole concept of what you are describing. I'm just pissed off that the Romans adjusted the religion to fit their traditions and isolated and killed the Jewish people who were believers and then shifted the religion to be anti-Jewish, and caused untold misery and death in the name of this Roman religion. The forgot that Jesus was a man, and tried to make him into a kind of Caesar, like they had in Rome, where Caesar was considered a God. So, the Romans, with their concept of God as Caesar just replaced the Jesus as God thing, in their concept of God. Jesus calls God the Father, and would not like the Roman symbols rampant in the so-called church built in his name. The Romans are so into blood, that they even incorporated the blood ceremony into the Mass. Strange religion. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Economy Could Recover Much Sooner Than Expected
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:24 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Thanks! This is the type of news we need to hear on a regular basis. Even Mr. Doom and Gloom himself -- the president -- said that there were some glimmers of hope. So things are looking up! So any thoughts out how Dr. BM and Dr. Hag are going to treat this? She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter. I always thought that those gentlemen wanted positive news disseminated by the media. So I assume this approach and this news is right up their alley.
[FairfieldLife] Treat yourself to the wonderful Lily Allen
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip First, I think that it's wise to remember that, unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, that both of you are equating meditation in this discussion with Transcendental Meditation. I do not. My experience is that some other forms of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, Off, Judy. And which type of meditation is it that has led to *your* abherrent [sic] behavior, Barry? Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off the rails here? Of course not. Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for abherrent [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE HYPOCRISY. Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by Barry to comment on it. I don't know which is worse. Wholly schmolly. This public unravelling is almost sad to witness. Judy, read what you just wrote and take some time out to really think about it. I think perhaps it's you, among a number of others here, who needs to read what I wrote and take some time out to really think about it. I mean, you didn't notice the hypocrisy, did you? Or if you did, it appears you were afraid to comment on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB snip Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term heaven on earth. Now think of that heaven being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. And of course all the TM critics on FFL are sweet and nonjudgmental, right? I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. Sooomight it not be time to move on? Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for chronic posters like you supposed to last until midnight on Friday???) There's no sit-out time unless you go over the limit. When you get to 50 posts, you stop posting until the new week begins, which is 8:00 p.m. CST Friday. All clear now? it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into the fray. Yes, I had some free time this evening. I don't suppose you had any comment on the content of my response to Rick. Was it too complicated for you to grasp? I'll be happy to explain further if you're confused.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. -Mirror time. I'm not including you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers are so desperate for praise they accept it from Bill O'Reilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But BILL O'REILLY? That's going too far. *** I've never liked Howard Stern's schtick, and I don't like O'Reilly's schtick, but so what? They both are displaying an enthusiasm for TM, and I like that. Like MMY always said, even a sick man can run a health-food store. The analogy might work with O'Reilly, but Stern is a meditator and has been for years. And he is not who you would point to as on the road to enlightenment, would you? Which of us is in a position to determine who is on the road and who isn't? You think he has reached cosmic consciousness yet? Who knows, and who cares? His sidekick, Robin Quivers (also a committed TMer), says when people tell her they can't believe Stern meditates, she says, Think of what he would be like without TM. (No, that's not meant to be proof of anything. The point is, you can't tell where a person is on the path and shouldn't attempt to judge.) So how healthy is that health food? Stern's fabulously successful at what he does. Seems like TM was pretty healthy for him. (But that's kind of not the point of MMY's analogy of the owner of the health-food store, you know?) OK, so TM can make you a fabulously successful shock jock. Well, that doesn't do it for me. I maintain that it is fair to form an impression of TM by looking at long term meditators and their lives So Howard Stern just doesn't measure up in your eyes, right, because he's a shock jock? What other occupations do you consider to be beneath you? snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
Falconry is pretty much the same as it was during the Middle Ages, isn't it? I mean, other than things like the hawk cam in that video, have there been any technological or scientific advances with regard to training hawks? Or is it just long-accumulated experience and expertise? I wonder who first had the idea that a human could train a hawk and actually managed to do it. How far back does falconry go, do you know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I've never read TH White but do know that Goshawks are a very intense raptor. They are acciptiers which are very high strung with lightening reflexes. They are a challenge for falconers because they are so demanding that you find game for them. If you don't, they will take their frustraion out on you! I tarined a Coopers hawk, kind of a mini Goshawk, when I was a kid. It nailed me in the face when it came into a keen hunting condition and there wasn't game available. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, authfriend jst...@... wrote: From: authfriend jst...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:28 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: Hey Marek, thanks for the hawk cam! I like to watch the variuos hawking and falconry videos on you tube. I hadn't seen the one you sent before. Meant to add: Have you ever read The Sword in the Stone, the first volume of The Once and Future King by T.H. White? There's a haunting scene in the royal mews featuring an insane goshawk who has all the other birds terrified. My sister tells me that White was himself a falconer who tried to train a goshawk and had a terrible time. He wrote a book about the experience called The Goshawk. I just ordered it from Amazon: http://www.amazon. com/Goshawk- York-Review- Books-Classics/ dp/1590172493/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8 s=booksqid= 1239412980 sr=8-1 http://tinyurl. com/c6yeow
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB snip Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term heaven on earth. Now think of that heaven being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. And of course all the TM critics on FFL are sweet and nonjudgmental, right? I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. Sooomight it not be time to move on? Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for chronic posters like you supposed to last until midnight on Friday???) There's no sit-out time unless you go over the limit. When you get to 50 posts, you stop posting until the new week begins, which is 8:00 p.m. CST Friday. All clear now? it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into the fray. Yes, I had some free time this evening. I don't suppose you had any comment on the content of my response to Rick. Was it too complicated for you to grasp? I'll be happy to explain further if you're confused. Uh-huh. No, I'm clear. You're a fifth of your way towards posting out this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB snip Here's an exercise for you. Think of Maharishi's term heaven on earth. Now think of that heaven being popu- lated by people like Nabby, Off, and Judy Stein. Anyone sense a slight disconnect there? Three peas in a pod, the common denom- inator being 30+ years of regular TM, which has left them heartless, mean, and completely devoid of compassion, ethics, and joy. Some heaven. I'd join Curtis in Hell any day. Although no group of three meditators is representative of the whole bunch. I know plenty of sweet, non-judgmental ones. And of course all the TM critics on FFL are sweet and nonjudgmental, right? I have *never in my life* run into so many consistently ethically vacuous, ethically *oblivious* people as I have on FFL. Sooomight it not be time to move on? Since you've exploded with a barrage of posts in the last couple of hours (and isn't the sit out time for chronic posters like you supposed to last until midnight on Friday???) it seems you've just been bustin' to get back into the fray. She posted more in 4 hours than 70% of the posters here did in the entire last week. Amazing. The bile and venom seem endless. The post limit is a good thing. A very good thing. Her actions would lead one to believe that she thinks quantity masks her dishonesty.
[FairfieldLife] Judy at 1:18am EST on a Friday night
Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off the rails here? Of course not. Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for abherrent [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE HYPOCRISY. Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by Barry to comment on it. I don't know which is worse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip First, I think that it's wise to remember that, unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying, that both of you are equating meditation in this discussion with Transcendental Meditation. I do not. My experience is that some other forms of meditation and spiritual practice do NOT lead to the types of abherrent behavior we see in Nabby, Off, Judy. And which type of meditation is it that has led to *your* abherrent [sic] behavior, Barry? Has anybody noticed how far Barry has gone off the rails here? Of course not. Barry, a chronic and malicious liar who routinely viciously attacks TMers and anybody else he doesn't agree with, criticizes Nabby, Off, and me for abherrent [sic] behavior, and NOBODY NOTICES THE HYPOCRISY. Or you're all too afraid of being attacked by Barry to comment on it. I don't know which is worse. Wholly schmolly. This public unravelling is almost sad to witness. Judy, read what you just wrote and take some time out to really think about it. Or don't. Its not a pretty thing Geez. Perhaps do.reflex is right and it is a severe personality disorder of some kind. Maybe we should respond with compassion and pity or just completely ignore her. I hope she gets help someday. What a pathetic way to live a life. Jai Miles Davis ji
