[FairfieldLife] Fw: 'Vedica City Times' for September 6th, 2012
Today, I got to thinnkin' ...this guru dev dude, there's a lot I don't know about this Dude!!!eh For, Instance, what the hell did he do for all years, all lone in the woods, all by himself, no femeals firends around to conforn t him... And then I thought, wow this dude was really secretive about his whwere-abouts... He could be anywhere, at any time... What a dude...i thought so much myself, like daring, dashihng just plane kewl... I hada new advernture to take to find out what and where he is now... He might be living in FF, somewhere in the masssesss somewhere, I do not know when, But, 'I Am' determened to fiedn him...5 Somehow I will find him living here in 'The Vedica City Times' for September 6the, the year of the end of teh mahaya calier clock, tic tock...tock... Good knites and God Bles...s yrs turnly Chaim. 'ONe Love, One Heart, lets goets gogether and Be Alright.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not established fact? See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly developed theory from much observation. Pure conjecture would mean someone just made it up. Look, it's as good a conjecture as any other, but there's no way to observe what it posits (at least as you've stated it), no way to test it. It isn't scientific. You can observe developmental stages of personal evolution and there are many ways that healthy development can be arrested resulting in mental problems in later life. The seperation from mother is critical in this. The stretch is that the externalisation is a metaphor for religious life and while it could never be actually scientific due to the probable impossibility of time travel, it's a heckuva lot more likely than the Garden of Eden or Age of Enlightenment as it's a full expanation of one of our deepest spiritual needs. The experience is the same (jolly pleasant) but the supporting beliefs become unnecessary and then *boy* does it get hard to justify yogic flying if you stop believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. Not if you experience benefits from the practice in daily life. Ha ha! So you think you canlive without the TM belief system and still hop about. Secular yogic flying, I'll believe that when I see it (How could you tell?) If it was taught without someone explaining what was going to happen because they don't teach it without recourse to the ancient texts that declare that's it's a stage of actual levitation or that it's an accepted part of physics that consciousness is the unified field and fundamental forces can be overruled. Cut the crap and the religion and just tell people to say the sutra without any loaded ideas and see what happens. It's entirely possible to hop without believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. Possible but pointless. The sutra *does something* to/in/with the bodymind. I have no idea what or how, but it's something, and for many (or at least some) it has a beneficial effect. That's reason enough to practice even if you don't believe it will ever lead to flying. Fair enough. I think what happens is that you hop deliberately but don't *consciously* move the muscles in the same way that you don't consciously move them when you walk. The power of suggestion gained from the teaching method is enough to switch off credulity with a bit of practise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not established fact? See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly developed theory from much observation. Pure conjecture would mean someone just made it up. Look, it's as good a conjecture as any other, but there's no way to observe what it posits (at least as you've stated it), no way to test it. It isn't scientific. You can observe developmental stages of personal evolution and there are many ways that healthy development can be arrested resulting in mental problems in later life. The seperation from mother is critical in this. The stretch is that the externalisation is a metaphor for religious life and while it could never be actually scientific due to the probable impossibility of time travel, it's a heckuva lot more likely than the Garden of Eden or Age of Enlightenment as it's a full expanation of one of our deepest spiritual needs. The experience is the same (jolly pleasant) but the supporting beliefs become unnecessary and then *boy* does it get hard to justify yogic flying if you stop believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. Not if you experience benefits from the practice in daily life. Ha ha! So you think you canlive without the TM belief system and still hop about. Secular yogic flying, I'll believe that when I see it (How could you tell?) If it was taught without someone explaining what was going to happen because they don't teach it without recourse to the ancient texts that declare that's it's a stage of actual levitation or that it's an accepted part of physics that consciousness is the unified field and fundamental forces can be overruled. Cut the crap and the religion and just tell people to say the sutra without any loaded ideas and see what happens. It's entirely possible to hop without believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. Possible but pointless. The sutra *does something* to/in/with the bodymind. I have no idea what or how, but it's something, and for many (or at least some) it has a beneficial effect. That's reason enough to practice even if you don't believe it will ever lead to flying. Fair enough. I think what happens is that you hop deliberately but don't *consciously* move the muscles in the same way that you don't consciously move them when you walk. The power of suggestion gained from the teaching method is enough to switch off credulity with a bit of practise. A bigger question is whether it's actually fair to teach people they are going to hop as a prelude to levitating? Folie a deux, that's what I think the whole yogic flying phenomenon is - a shared delusion.
[FairfieldLife] The Revenge of FFLenstein
A film, in one act, and with only one actor, who plays both the part of the MONSTER and of his assistant IGOR, because it saved the producers from paying two different actors, and was considered more appropriate, given the existential theme of O.C. (Oneification Consciousness). The actor stands up straight and tall when playing the MONSTER, and when called upon to play IGOR slumps down and stuffs an overripe canteloupe in his shirt to make it look like he has a hunchback. MONSTER: See Igor? The thunderstorm is building. Its first person ontology is almost perfect for the great, momentous use to which we are going to put it, eh. IGOR: Yes, Master. MONSTER: Yes, indeedy, for tonight is the night that I *reverse* all the horrible damage that the evil Dr. Vedastein has perpetrated on me, and become *whole* again, eh. IGOR: Whatever you say, Master. MONSTER: Years ago, the evil Dr. Vedastein convinced me that I was in Oneification Consciousness. As a result, I went around abusing people and hitting them and casting demons out of them and stuff like that. Finally the townspeople got their panties in a twist over this, and a mob of them carrying torches and pitchforks chased me out of town, eh. IGOR: I remember that, Master. They said you weren't in O.C. at all, but were just crazy as a bedbug. MONSTER: [cringing at the memory] Yes, they did, Igor. But soon they'll see that this was not the case. I was merely under the sway of gods and goddesses sicced on me by the evil Dr. Vedastein. *They* made me act out the way I did. My own first person ontology was overshadowed by their false view of the universe and How It Really Works. eh. IGOR: [shaking his head, clearly having heard all of this before] Whatever you say, Master. MONSTER: [lost in the bliss of first person ontology, not even noticing Igor rolling his eyes] But tonight I shall reverse all the damage done to me by the evil Dr. Vedastein, and people will understand and know me as the *real* me. Then they'll love me and praise me and treat me the way I deserve to be treated, eh. IGOR: How are you going to do this, Master? I mean, reverse all the damage done by the Vedic gods and goddesses? MONSTER: A good question, Igor. I am going to harness the awesome power of lightning, channel it through the Aquinus Activator I designed, and from there into my body, where it will purge me of the last vestiges of O.C. eh. IGOR: Sounds complicated to me, Master. Wouldn't it just be simpler to tell people that you were crazier than a fruitbat back then, but now you're feeling better? MONSTER: [picking up a nearby fruitbat and whacking Igor up against the side of the head with it] Silence! I was NOT crazy. I was overshadowed by evil Dr. Vedastein and his team of false gods and goddesses, that's all. It's all *their* fault, eh. IGOR: [rubbing the sore spot on his head] Whatever you say, Master. MONSTER: [stomping around the room, throwing a bit of a tantrum] Their fault! Their fault! THEIR fault! Not mine! Not responsible! Eh. IGOR: Whatever. Can we get to it? I've got fruitbats to cook up for dinner. MONSTER: [reluctantly] Oh, all right. [looking up, seeing the lightning beginning to flash] The time is finally right. Now I will strap myself into the First Person Ontology device and place its metal headpiece over my head so that I can't see anything but what's going on in my own mind. THAT's the way I'll cure myself of the curse of Oneification Consciousness! [he does this, stumbles around bumping into things for a bit because he can't see a thing, and finally lays down on a slab] MONSTER: [muffled, because he's trying to talk through a metal helmet] Nu, ickor nuh doh de iesu bitch! IGOR: What was that, Master? Couldn't really hear you. MONSTER: [lifting the helmet a bit to reveal his mouth, clearly exasperated with his assistant] Now, Igor, NOW. Throw the Jesus switch! IGOR: Oh. [he goes to the wall, pulls on an enormous cross-shaped electrical switch mounted there, and sparks fly up all around the MONSTER in his First Person Ontology device] IGOR: Did it work, Master? MONSTER: [gets up, removes the lead helmet, and goes over to a mirror, staring into remarkably like that scene with Ash in Evil Dead II] Yes, Igor, it worked. I'm fine. I'm better now. IGOR: Whatever you say. What next?: MONSTER: Well now, of course, I need to find a way to talk to all those people who thought I was crazy and convince them that I've cured myself by throwing the Jesus switch, eh. IGOR: [rolling his eyes again] Where do you expect to find anyone who will buy that? MONSTER: The Internet, silly. People will believe anything there. Maybe I'll even find myself a girlfriend, one who believes everything I say simply because I say it, eh. IGOR: [under his breath] Not bloody likely. MONSTER: [turning on Igor] What was that? IGOR: I said, do you want some nice, fresh bloody fruitbat? MONSTER: Oh. No thank you, Igor. I just want to sit here and bask in the freedom of my
[FairfieldLife] Does anyone know.....
...what ancient texts actually mention levitation as occuring in three stages - hopping, floating, flying? I ask because an hours Googling has failed to come up with anything other than a mention that the TMO teach levitation as occuring in these three stages and have, as yet, to achieve more than the first stage. I've read Patanjali and a good many upanishads but to no avail, I don't have all day so it would be cool if any experts could put me in the right direction Ta.
[FairfieldLife] The marvelous marvelousness of FPOT
I have noticed, even in Message View, that some on this forum are confused by the exact meaning of the phrase first person ontology. Explanations offered so far seem inadequate, so I am introducing a new set of spiritual seminars to teach the benefits of this technique, which I call FPOT, or the First Person Ontology Technique. First, a definition. First person ontology means: Being able to declare that one's own opinion or point of view is always right. Always. Even spiritual newbs can see the benefit of this. No matter what the circumstance, no matter how much your opinion or point of view makes you appear nuttier than a fruitbat, that is an illusion. In Reality, nothing could be further from the truth. The FPOT practitioner is -- just as they delcare -- not crazy at all, and is ALWAYS right. Furthermore, the FPOT technology gives you the ability to determine whenever anyone else is wrong, or worse, lying. On the surface, and to less-evolved people who do have not embraced the FPOT philosophy, it would appear that different people, when they express opinions, are spit equal, and that their opinions carry equal weight. But no. The seasoned FPOT practitioner learns to tell which of these people are right and telling the truth (for example, when they agree with them), and which of them are wrong and telling a lie (for example, when they disagree with them). Just as a hint of the wonderous things you'll learn in your FPOT seminar, here is an abbreviated list of which people are wrong and/or telling a lie every time they speak and which are right and/or telling the truth: WRONG: * Barry, Curtis, Vaj, Sal, and Andrew Skolnick * Anyone who either agrees with any of the above or interacts with them in a pleasant manner, as if they were human and not the scum they are * Anyone who disagrees with Me RIGHT: * Me (the FPOT practitioner him- or herself) * Raunchydog, Robin, Ann, Emily, Ravi, doctordumbass, and anyone who sucks up to Me and joins me in dissing people in the WRONG group * Anyone who agrees with Me politically * Anyone who considers Me an authority Naturally, this list is somewhat flexible and tailored to the needs of the individual FPOT practitioner. For example, if such a list were tailored to Robin, the WRONG list would include Maharishi when he told him he wasn't enlightened and the RIGHT list would include Maharishi when he said that he was, or even hinted at it, or even just said Yeah, right...whatever in an attempt to get him out of his face. Sign up for the FPOT seminars today. Find out what always being right can do for YOU.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know.....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/310458 Both cardmeister and I have quoted extensively from these in earlier threads in FFL. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: ...what ancient texts actually mention levitation as occuring in three stages - hopping, floating, flying? I ask because an hours Googling has failed to come up with anything other than a mention that the TMO teach levitation as occuring in these three stages and have, as yet, to achieve more than the first stage. I've read Patanjali and a good many upanishads but to no avail, I don't have all day so it would be cool if any experts could put me in the right direction Ta.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic pundits keep dialing 911!!
To call India you dial 011 91, followed by the area code. Some area codes in India begin with 1, so if the pundit forgets to dial 011 first, he may well dial 911 and get the local cops on his tail! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: From Fairfield e-news: A bizarre problem regarding 9-1-1 misdials out of the Vedic City Pundit Project was a topic of discussion led by Jefferson County Chief Deputy Gregg Morton at yesterdays' Board of Supervisor's meeting. When making a long distance call with their international cell phones some of the pundits reportedly have to dial out by pressing 9 and then seemingly two subsequent 1s which could put the cell phone into emergency mode and dial automatically prior to the rest of the phone number being dialed. Morton says there have been 41 of these calls in 2012, though the problem was first addressed by letter to Vedic City's Mayor Wynne in 2010. Morton also says the misdials are a waste of officer resources and time, because officers have to respond to every 9-1-1 call whether they know it's a misdial or not. Several solutions were brought up, including; attempting to change the dial out numbers for long distance calls or urging Vedic City to create their own police department to answer their 9-1-1 calls. Vedic City currently has their own private security force. * * * Can you imagine the scene when the police officers confront the pundits who are blissfully unaware that they have been summoning emergency responders? What would be even funnier if the calls to 911 were *for real*, and this is just their handlers' cover story. After all, what cell phone requires you to enter 9 to dial out? What is there to dial out OF on a cell phone? That's something that happens on land lines. It makes a much better Movie Of The Week if the pundits are really dialing for help. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic pundits keep dialing 911!!
Feste! How could you?! Now you've spoiled everyone's fun! Well, not everyone's but you know what I mean. Next time, please keep your straightforwardness and sensibility and reasonableness to yourself! Thank you forever, Share From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic pundits keep dialing 911!! To call India you dial 011 91, followed by the area code. Some area codes in India begin with 1, so if the pundit forgets to dial 011 first, he may well dial 911 and get the local cops on his tail! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: From Fairfield e-news: A bizarre problem regarding 9-1-1 misdials out of the Vedic City Pundit Project was a topic of discussion led by Jefferson County Chief Deputy Gregg Morton at yesterdays' Board of Supervisor's meeting. When making a long distance call with their international cell phones some of the pundits reportedly have to dial out by pressing 9 and then seemingly two subsequent 1s which could put the cell phone into emergency mode and dial automatically prior to the rest of the phone number being dialed. Morton says there have been 41 of these calls in 2012, though the problem was first addressed by letter to Vedic City's Mayor Wynne in 2010. Morton also says the misdials are a waste of officer resources and time, because officers have to respond to every 9-1-1 call whether they know it's a misdial or not. Several solutions were brought up, including; attempting to change the dial out numbers for long distance calls or urging Vedic City to create their own police department to answer their 9-1-1 calls. Vedic City currently has their own private security force. * * * Can you imagine the scene when the police officers confront the pundits who are blissfully unaware that they have been summoning emergency responders? What would be even funnier if the calls to 911 were *for real*, and this is just their handlers' cover story. After all, what cell phone requires you to enter 9 to dial out? What is there to dial out OF on a cell phone? That's something that happens on land lines. It makes a much better Movie Of The Week if the pundits are really dialing for help. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
Dear Ravi, I was experiencing a bit of a conflict in having positive feelings for both you and Curtis. I wasn't comparing you to him. Apologies if that wasn't clearer. Share From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Dear Sweetest, kindest, gentlest Share, The only conflicting loyalties I'm experiencing are my fond memories of Curtis from 37 years ago vs. my liking of Ravi. I always love your support, concern, love but please don't sully, taint my reputation by comparing me with Curtis who is the moral leadership for all the veiled, concealed misogynist, homophobic agenda on this list with his open support of Barry and azgrey. You may accept him - but please leave me out of this. Remember I goad, insult and slay his ass day in and day out, at my fancy, at my will, and all he can do is Strategy # 1 - try to twist, manipulate the audience, Rick and Strategy # 2 - cry wolf, accuse others of being racist,misogynist, homophobic. You don't know the amount of disgust, contempt I have for these shameless, clueless bastards, the metaphorical Rakshasaas, demons, metaphor for their deception. Share - I remember a beautiful story of how Divine Mother would keep slaying this demon, but he would constantly change forms and Divine Mother would keep on slaying him - I don't remember how it ended :-) - but this is what Curtis is - this demon of deception who keeps changing forms- in his case, keeps changing the context, crying wolf while using his deceptive charm through his writing. Sickening, disgusting Rakshasaas - Curtis, Barry and his ole boy clique. Keep me out of it mother. Love, Ravi On Sep 5, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Share: From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Dear Share, Robin: You must excuse my presumption here (because it is very likely I am wrong) but I must tell you that in this post I get to feel the most Share that is there severed (perhaps not consciously:)) from her philosophy. It just *seemed* to me that all you wrote here came out of your experience unmediated by any final beliefs about what is real. Like a beautiful accident of Share making herself available beyond what would be possible were she solidly, as she almost always is, behind her spiritual orientation to people and reality (which, in the weaponry and ordnance deployed by some of us more irascible FFL posters, is sometimes--silently, mind you--denigrated as being overly positive--and therefore impotent:)). Share: hi Robin, yes I will excuse your presumption if you excuse my not going down this particular rabbit hole again. You know, the one about my being so positive yada yada. As for my being impotent, it's not been my intention to be, uh, potent. So no problemo. Sigh, btw, I notice I'm feeling grumpy this morning. Blaming it on the sugar I ate yesterday. Somehow I've become very sensitive to sugar. Anyway, Robin, apologies for taking it out on you. Robin: Yes, Share, I felt I knew something about the beauty of the Russian soul--its utter distinctiveness from any other peoples in the world--after viewing that video a number of times. The feeling of collective warmth and passion, it seemed so real and natural to me. Changed my perception of Russia, I think. Even of Putin. I think Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, from wherever he is now, must be happier about his Mother Russia--unless nationality counts for nothing after death, and one becomes, unavoidably, a universalist. But it made me want to be there among those young people--and made me have confidence about the future of Russia. Share: Good! Because I agree with something Susan said recently about how expectations in the classroom influence a student's performance. Perhaps your confidence about future of Russia will have a good influence. Robin: I was curious about the ginkgo bilobia reference: but I have used it daily to ward off the dementia which would be Barry's revenge against me. I am meeting with LK on the 20th of September here in Toronto. I aim to reprogram him as best I can so that he comes back onto FFL and says that I am more perfect than I was when I was in Unity Consciousness. Share: I've heard it helps with memory and mine can be quite faulty. I resist supplements but every now and then I think I should add that one to my repetoire. Very exciting about you and LK. Want me to check if that date is auspicious? Robin: I find myself, once I started to experience the effect of your words upon me, acquiescing in your
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic pundits keep dialing 911!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: From Fairfield e-news: A bizarre problem regarding 9-1-1 misdials out of the Vedic City Pundit Project was a topic of discussion led by Jefferson County Chief Deputy Gregg Morton at yesterdays' Board of Supervisor's meeting. When making a long distance call with their international cell phones some of the pundits reportedly have to dial out by pressing 9 and then seemingly two subsequent 1s which could put the cell phone into emergency mode and dial automatically prior to the rest of the phone number being dialed. Morton says there have been 41 of these calls in 2012, though the problem was first addressed by letter to Vedic City's Mayor Wynne in 2010. Morton also says the misdials are a waste of officer resources and time, because officers have to respond to every 9-1-1 call whether they know it's a misdial or not. Several solutions were brought up, including; attempting to change the dial out numbers for long distance calls or urging Vedic City to create their own police department to answer their 9-1-1 calls. Vedic City currently has their own private security force. * * * Can you imagine the scene when the police officers confront the pundits who are blissfully unaware that they have been summoning emergency responders? What would be even funnier if the calls to 911 were *for real*, and this is just their handlers' cover story. After all, what cell phone requires you to enter 9 to dial out? What is there to dial out OF on a cell phone? That's something that happens on land lines. It makes a much better Movie Of The Week if the pundits are really dialing for help. :-) It certainly does, maybe a FF resident can try dialing out and see if they can replicate the mistake Although I still prefer the movie of the week version, in which the pundits are actually dialing for 911, hoping that someone will rescue them from behind the barbed wire, the country code for India really *is* 91. So if the first digit of the number within India is a 1, or if the pundit is so spaced out from chanting and buttbouncing that they hit 1 twice instead of once, this could theoretically happen. For example, given this chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_India if the pundit were trying to call someone in New Delhi, Jaipur, or Jammu, this situation could arise. On the other hand, you've got to admit that it's more amusing to envision 41 guys locked in a window- less room somewhere, deprived not only of their passports but their cell phones as well, being... uh...encouraged to chant by special Vedic correctional officers brought in from Mother Divine: Of course, having found this photo from The Magic Christian, it reminds me that I once gave a TM intro lecture to Raquel Welch at 1015 Gayley in L.A. She was dressed down, and so I didn't even recognize her during the talk itself. I don't think she ever started TM, but for those who dote on celebrity meditators, she at least expressed interest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Revenge of FFLenstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: A film, in one act, and with only one actor, who plays both the part of the MONSTER and of his assistant IGOR, because it saved the producers from paying two different actors, and was considered more appropriate, given the existential theme of O.C. (Oneification Consciousness). The actor stands up straight and tall when playing the MONSTER, and when called upon to play IGOR slumps down and stuffs an overripe canteloupe in his shirt to make it look like he has a hunchback. MONSTER: See Igor? The thunderstorm is building. Its first person ontology is almost perfect for the great, momentous use to which we are going to put it, eh. IGOR: Yes, Master. MONSTER: Yes, indeedy, for tonight is the night that I *reverse* all the horrible damage that the evil Dr. Vedastein has perpetrated on me, and become *whole* again, eh. IGOR: Whatever you say, Master. MONSTER: Years ago, the evil Dr. Vedastein convinced me that I was in Oneification Consciousness. As a result, I went around abusing people and hitting them and casting demons out of them and stuff like that. Finally the townspeople got their panties in a twist over this, and a mob of them carrying torches and pitchforks chased me out of town, eh. IGOR: I remember that, Master. They said you weren't in O.C. at all, but were just crazy as a bedbug. MONSTER: [cringing at the memory] Yes, they did, Igor. But soon they'll see that this was not the case. I was merely under the sway of gods and goddesses sicced on me by the evil Dr. Vedastein. *They* made me act out the way I did. My own first person ontology was overshadowed by their false view of the universe and How It Really Works. eh. IGOR: [shaking his head, clearly having heard all of this before] Whatever you say, Master. MONSTER: [lost in the bliss of first person ontology, not even noticing Igor rolling his eyes] But tonight I shall reverse all the damage done to me by the evil Dr. Vedastein, and people will understand and know me as the *real* me. Then they'll love me and praise me and treat me the way I deserve to be treated, eh. IGOR: How are you going to do this, Master? I mean, reverse all the damage done by the Vedic gods and goddesses? MONSTER: A good question, Igor. I am going to harness the awesome power of lightning, channel it through the Aquinus Activator I designed, and from there into my body, where it will purge me of the last vestiges of O.C. eh. IGOR: Sounds complicated to me, Master. Wouldn't it just be simpler to tell people that you were crazier than a fruitbat back then, but now you're feeling better? MONSTER: [picking up a nearby fruitbat and whacking Igor up against the side of the head with it] Silence! I was NOT crazy. I was overshadowed by evil Dr. Vedastein and his team of false gods and goddesses, that's all. It's all *their* fault, eh. IGOR: [rubbing the sore spot on his head] Whatever you say, Master. MONSTER: [stomping around the room, throwing a bit of a tantrum] Their fault! Their fault! THEIR fault! Not mine! Not responsible! Eh. IGOR: Whatever. Can we get to it? I've got fruitbats to cook up for dinner. MONSTER: [reluctantly] Oh, all right. [looking up, seeing the lightning beginning to flash] The time is finally right. Now I will strap myself into the First Person Ontology device and place its metal headpiece over my head so that I can't see anything but what's going on in my own mind. THAT's the way I'll cure myself of the curse of Oneification Consciousness! [he does this, stumbles around bumping into things for a bit because he can't see a thing, and finally lays down on a slab] MONSTER: [muffled, because he's trying to talk through a metal helmet] Nu, ickor nuh doh de iesu bitch! IGOR: What was that, Master? Couldn't really hear you. MONSTER: [lifting the helmet a bit to reveal his mouth, clearly exasperated with his assistant] Now, Igor, NOW. Throw the Jesus switch! IGOR: Oh. [he goes to the wall, pulls on an enormous cross-shaped electrical switch mounted there, and sparks fly up all around the MONSTER in his First Person Ontology device] IGOR: Did it work, Master? MONSTER: [gets up, removes the lead helmet, and goes over to a mirror, staring into remarkably like that scene with Ash in Evil Dead II] Yes, Igor, it worked. I'm fine. I'm better now. IGOR: Whatever you say. What next?: MONSTER: Well now, of course, I need to find a way to talk to all those people who thought I was crazy and convince them that I've cured myself by throwing the Jesus switch, eh. IGOR: [rolling his eyes again] Where do you expect to find anyone who will buy that? MONSTER: The Internet, silly. People will believe anything there. Maybe I'll even find myself a girlfriend, one who believes everything I say simply because I say it, eh. IGOR: [under his breath] Not bloody likely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/310458 Both cardmeister and I have quoted extensively from these in earlier threads in FFL. Excellent, I shall follow the instructions to the letter. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: ...what ancient texts actually mention levitation as occuring in three stages - hopping, floating, flying? I ask because an hours Googling has failed to come up with anything other than a mention that the TMO teach levitation as occuring in these three stages and have, as yet, to achieve more than the first stage. I've read Patanjali and a good many upanishads but to no avail, I don't have all day so it would be cool if any experts could put me in the right direction Ta.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know.....
Hi Lawson, thank you for this. Good reference to have. Also want to reply to some other recent posts of yours by saying that Maharishi advised people to follow the laws of their government and their religion. As for yogic flying styles, I used to hop cross legged until xrays revealed disc degeneration about 4 years ago. So I switched to bouncing in a seated position. And guess what? In my last osteo exam about a month ago, the spine was reported to be in good shape. Yay! One other observation about yogic flying, if a person expects it to be a certain way, inwardly or outwardly, from my experience it defeats the purpose of the practice, which is to develop mind body coordination. And it's less fun. Actually this explanation, to develop mind body coordination is the one that makes the most sense to me based on my own experience of the last 34 years. Share From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 5:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/310458 Both cardmeister and I have quoted extensively from these in earlier threads in FFL. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: ...what ancient texts actually mention levitation as occuring in three stages - hopping, floating, flying? I ask because an hours Googling has failed to come up with anything other than a mention that the TMO teach levitation as occuring in these three stages and have, as yet, to achieve more than the first stage. I've read Patanjali and a good many upanishads but to no avail, I don't have all day so it would be cool if any experts could put me in the right direction Ta.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/310458 Both cardmeister and I have quoted extensively from these in earlier threads in FFL. Excellent job. 54. As a frog moves by leaps, so the Yogin sitting in the Padma posture moves on the earth. With a (further) increased practice, he is able to rise from the ground. 55. He, while seated in Padma posture, levitates. There arises to him the power to perform extraordinary feats. 56. He does (or should) not disclose to others his feats of great powers (in the path). Any pain small or great, does not affect the Yogin. 57. Then excretions and sleep are diminished; tears, rheum in the eye, salivary flow, sweat and bad smell in the mouth do not arise in him. I shall follow the instructions to the letter, except maybe the bit about giving up walking and washing in the morning... and a few of the others, but am fascinated to see what life without saliva or sweat is going to be like. I guess the next question is, has anyone in this day and age achieved it? I bet they've tried. But if they are following the instructions properly we'll never know, which is a tad annoying. It's all up to the publicity hungry TMO to tell the world should anyone actually manage it. Which I doubt, obviously. But nice to know there is at least a precedent for strange ideas like these. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: ...what ancient texts actually mention levitation as occuring in three stages - hopping, floating, flying? I ask because an hours Googling has failed to come up with anything other than a mention that the TMO teach levitation as occuring in these three stages and have, as yet, to achieve more than the first stage. I've read Patanjali and a good many upanishads but to no avail, I don't have all day so it would be cool if any experts could put me in the right direction Ta.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Bevan Never Got Married?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: but throwing veiled threats to mature, sophisticated, intelligent women. \ Name one instance where I made any threat veiled or otherwise to any woman anywhere. This is tollish lie in line with your other phrase you have been repeating again and again with my name that I will deal with in another post. You are up to your old routine, repeating unfounded specific charges again and again on a public forum for the purpose of hurting my online reputation. So go ahead and make your case for you specific claim. That way others can examine your reasons for making it and can decide if it is well founded or as I claim, a form of trollish tourettes. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:48 PM, azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Well Mike, it worked for Judy. Kinda.After a fashion. Allegedly. Well I request moderators to throw this moron as well as Barry who indulge in their veiled, deceptive misogynist, homophic nonsense day in and day out. Also Curtis who enthralls, entices and entertains us with guilt ridden stories of African American autistic boys but is actually the moral, spiritual, ethical guidance for these bastards and promoting old boy cliques, always welcoming Stupid Susans but throwing veiled threats to mature, sophisticated, intelligent women.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Bevan Never Got Married?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: but throwing veiled threats to mature, sophisticated, intelligent women. Name one instance where I made any threat veiled or otherwise to any woman anywhere. This is trollish lie in line with your other phrase you have been repeating again and again with my name that I will deal with in another post. You are up to your old routine, repeating unfounded specific charges again and again on a public forum for the purpose of hurting my online reputation. So go ahead and make your case for you specific claim. That way others can examine your reasons for making it and can decide if it is well founded or as I claim, a form of trollish tourettes. To reinforce Curtis' post, the troll attempting to damage his reputation has never met him, and in fact was never a part of the organization that is the focus of this Yahoo group. He is, as far as I can tell from long exposure to his posts, a person suffering from severe mental illness who has been encouraged to damage Curtis' reputation by someone else on the forum who has a long history of doing that herself. Almost without exception, all of the epithets Ravi hurls at Curtis were first hurled at him by this other person; Ravi just picked them up from her, and repeats them. I'm not even sure he has the mental capacity to know what half of these terms mean. What is sad is that someone as unstable as this has been encouraged to pile on to someone who has done him no harm, and who he has never even met, by someone else who has a destructive agenda against Curtis. What is sadder in a way is that the moderator of this group does nothing to stop it. But PLEASE, if you have stumbled upon Ravi's slander by accident when looking up my friend Curtis, continue to search until you find the many glowing recommendations on the Net of his musical skills, his expertise and experience as an educator, and his worth as a human being. Let those recommendations from sane people be your guide, not this slander from a seriously disturbed Internet troll.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Sweetest, kindest, gentlest Share, *The only conflicting loyalties I'm experiencing are my fond memories of Curtis from 37 years ago vs. my liking of Ravi. * I always love your support, concern, love but please don't sully, taint my reputation by comparing me with Curtis who is the moral leadership for all the veiled, concealed misogynist, homophobic agenda on this list OK troll I mark this phrase out as one you have been repeating again and again for the purpose of hurting my online reputation. I challenge you to make your case for this charge. Tell everyone the reasons you have for making it about me over and over again so that they can decide why you are repeating this phrase on every post were you mention my name. Let's see my own evidence for calling you a troll: with his open support of Barry and azgrey. You may accept him - but please leave me out of this. Remember I goad, insult and slay his ass day in and day out, at my fancy, at my will, Goad, and insult and the fey slay are all terms which perfectly describe the internet phenomenon known as trolling. You have repeated this agenda before. It is your only reason for posting on a site devoted to a group you were never in. You are a disruptive force here repeating baseless accusations hoping that the accumulation of repeated phrases will hurt my online reputation. and all he can do is Strategy # 1 - try to twist, manipulate the audience, Rick and Strategy # 2 - cry wolf, accuse others of being racist,misogynist, homophobic. I don't doubt that I have pointed out phrase in posts that I felt were misogynistic or homophobic. I am against these behaviors although they are judgement calls we all have to make for ourselves. The charge that I somehow twist or manipulate the audience is a charge too odd to respond to. I write here, you write here, people decide for themselves what's up. You don't know the amount of disgust, contempt I have for these shameless, clueless bastards, the metaphorical Rakshasaas, demons, metaphor for their deception. Actually I think everyone does. You are projecting something on me that is dark and then you are chasing your projection around here. And it isn't the oddly paranoid characterizations you make of me that I object to. It is your studied technique of repeating specific phrases, unfounded charges of being anti woman or anti gay along with my name that puts you on my radar. If you want to be an incoherent troll and tell the world how a horrible person I am I couldn't care less. But when you repeat specific charges again and again without supporting them with any evidence that others can assess for themselves, you are crossing a line here. Share - I remember a beautiful story of how Divine Mother would keep slaying this demon, but he would constantly change forms and Divine Mother would keep on slaying him - I don't remember how it ended :-) - but this is what Curtis is - this demon of deception who keeps changing forms- in his case, keeps changing the context, crying wolf while using his deceptive charm through his writing. Sickening, disgusting Rakshasaas - Having someone refer to me in this way online is very strange. But even to a casual reader, the nature of the writer is evident. Stick to this kind of babble and you will never hear from me. But now you need to show us why you have repeated the specific charges you have made about me, or my case for your agenda for maligning my online reputation will have been made by me. Curtis, Barry and his ole boy clique. Keep me out of it mother. Love, Ravi When I read the world love after such a hate-fulled post it gives me the creeps. On Sep 5, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share: -- *From:* Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:09 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Dear Share, Robin: You must excuse my presumption here (because it is very likely I am wrong) but I must tell you that in this post I get to feel the most Share that is there severed (perhaps not consciously:)) from her philosophy. It just *seemed* to me that all you wrote here came out of your experience unmediated by any final beliefs about what is real. Like a beautiful accident of Share making herself available beyond what would be possible were she solidly, as she almost always is, behind her spiritual orientation to people and reality (which, in the weaponry and ordnance deployed by some of us more irascible FFL posters, is sometimes--silently, mind you--denigrated as being overly positive--and therefore impotent:)). Share: hi Robin, yes I will excuse your presumption if you excuse my not going down this particular
[FairfieldLife] Re: The marvelous marvelousness of FPOT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Barry: I have noticed, even in Message View, that some on this forum are confused by the exact meaning of the phrase first person ontology. Explanations offered so far seem inadequate, so I am introducing a new set of spiritual seminars to teach the benefits of this technique, which I call FPOT, or the First Person Ontology Technique. First, a definition. First person ontology means: Being able to declare that one's own opinion or point of view is always right. Always. Robin: No, Barry, you have it wrong: First person ontology means the possibility of having a subjective experience of what it is like to be you, or what it is like to be me, and from within that irreducible sense of personal selfhood--theoretically--to determine the extent to which that first person experience of oneself in relationship to reality actually IS OBJECTIVE. This is the whole secret, Barry: First of all, that we can't get rid of our first person subjectivity; and secondly (perhaps because of this), that we have the potential to make life shape that first person subjectivity such that--*from a purely personal perspective on the universe*--we actually have a sense of knowing how realistically determined that first person experience of ourselves--in relation to reality in a given moment--*is*. This allows for that Platonic difference between opinion and knowledge. It is a beautiful thing, Barry. Barry: Even spiritual newbs can see the benefit of this. No matter what the circumstance, no matter how much your opinion or point of view makes you appear nuttier than a fruitbat, that is an illusion. In Reality, nothing could be further from the truth. The FPOT practitioner is -- just as they delcare -- not crazy at all, and is ALWAYS right. Robin: No, no, Barry. Again, this is not correct. If you are discerning enough you can feel the perpetual adjudication of reality--that is, the feedback that reality is giving to efforts of a particular FPOT to assert his or her vehement opinions. The 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of an instance of first person ontological expression is always determined by the ontology within and beyond reality which first thought of the idea of a FPOT. That is itself the first First Person Ontology [FFPOT]. No, the primary criterion that enables one to determine the extent of the validity of a given first person ontological utterance is: Is there a sufficient element of pure disinterestedness implicit in the articulation of that first person subjective assertion that somehow makes it possible to see that, not just that person's experience is being injected into the universe, but *reality* itself is getting into there as well? This is what we shall call the possibility of the objectification of one's subjectivity. Barry: Furthermore, the FPOT technology gives you the ability to determine whenever anyone else is wrong, or worse, lying. Robin: No, in most cases if the person is plain wrong or is lying, this is a matter which can be decided by access to FACT. There is no need to bring in the FPOT at all. It will be clear in a careful analysis of what a person has said, or claimed, as to its veracity simply on the basis of how much truth gets generated by the rebuttal to what has been said or claimed--and then the sincerity with which the person who has been challenged on his or her facts, is willing to meet that challenge. Barry: On the surface, and to less-evolved people who do have not embraced the FPOT philosophy, it would appear that different people, when they express opinions, are spit equal, and that their opinions carry equal weight. But no. The seasoned FPOT practitioner learns to tell which of these people are right and telling the truth (for example, when they agree with them), and which of them are wrong and telling a lie (for example, when they disagree with them). Robin: No, no, Barry: it has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement. It has to do with sincerity, innocence, moral conviction, conscience, honesty, and the personal aesthetic (and even acoustics) which comes along with this. The subtext of someone who is not serious, the subtext of someone who is deeply sincere: the difference between these two subtexts will show up when they are juxtaposed. And you are right: in this way one is able to discern which FPOT is making a greater purchase on reality, and this may be accompanied by a somewhat spontaneous recognition of the matter of personal integrity as well. The moment one is reacting according to whether someone is agreeing or disagreeing with oneself--as strictly a matter of content,--then one is a victim of the pejorative form of subjectivity. Humility and a quality of intrinsic vulnerability usually are signposts of the potential appropriateness of a person's FPOT in its judgment and response to a given issue. There really is not a right and wrong
[FairfieldLife] Re: Second Open Plea to Mata Amritanandamayi
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: http://tmblr.co/ZjaHJwSsJFPJ For anyone who has stumbled on my name here in association with this person. please follow this link he has proudly posted to understand who I am dealing with. http://tmblr.co/ZjaHJwSsJFPJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know.....
What is so interesting to me is that if some guy jumped out of a van and handed you these claims, you would judge them as crazy. But then apply the magic of far away, and long ago and voila! People take it seriously. The Shiva Samhita is by an unknown author from the 16th or 17th century. That is pretty late in the game for having a supposed connection to Vedic times. It is the equivalent of finding a pamphlet on the ground near the freak's midway at a carnival and saying: hey these claims are very likely to be true! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. These flimsy references don't cut it. There is no reason for modern people to take the claims of the supernatural feat of flying seriously. First it was a way from Maharishi to get people to flock to more expensive courses with bogus promises. Then when that didn't pan out(magical things did not happen) it became a reason to get people to flock to big courses to save the world. Now if anyone wants to make a case that Maharishi believed his own hype instead of being a straight up con, I think you could make that case. On seeing flyers' for the first time, he reportedly said Is that all they can do? (That story is from Jerry) So maybe he believed it too. But by now I think it is more reasonable to think more carefully about the source of the belief in flying and noting that if this was such a big deal in Vedic times, don't you think it would have been mentioned a lot earlier? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/310458 Both cardmeister and I have quoted extensively from these in earlier threads in FFL. Excellent job. 54. As a frog moves by leaps, so the Yogin sitting in the Padma posture moves on the earth. With a (further) increased practice, he is able to rise from the ground. 55. He, while seated in Padma posture, levitates. There arises to him the power to perform extraordinary feats. 56. He does (or should) not disclose to others his feats of great powers (in the path). Any pain small or great, does not affect the Yogin. 57. Then excretions and sleep are diminished; tears, rheum in the eye, salivary flow, sweat and bad smell in the mouth do not arise in him. I shall follow the instructions to the letter, except maybe the bit about giving up walking and washing in the morning... and a few of the others, but am fascinated to see what life without saliva or sweat is going to be like. I guess the next question is, has anyone in this day and age achieved it? I bet they've tried. But if they are following the instructions properly we'll never know, which is a tad annoying. It's all up to the publicity hungry TMO to tell the world should anyone actually manage it. Which I doubt, obviously. But nice to know there is at least a precedent for strange ideas like these. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: ...what ancient texts actually mention levitation as occuring in three stages - hopping, floating, flying? I ask because an hours Googling has failed to come up with anything other than a mention that the TMO teach levitation as occuring in these three stages and have, as yet, to achieve more than the first stage. I've read Patanjali and a good many upanishads but to no avail, I don't have all day so it would be cool if any experts could put me in the right direction Ta.
[FairfieldLife] Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema.
[FairfieldLife] Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
I watched a comedy special by lewis black a while ago regarding democrats and republicans, and I agree totaly with his point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Oh, I like your wordy responses. I'll give it five minutes next time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. RESPONSE: No, they seem to have stopped because they stopped. God--or the supernatural grace which precipitated this miracles--said: Fuck it! I've had it. I'm going to change up the game. And ever since then (just before our lifetime) there ain't no miracles (or if there are, they are not being done through the agency which determined the miracles in this article). I think if cinema had been around in the 13th to 16th centuries in particular, the Holy Ghost might have permitted there to be a few miracles filmed. But maybe not. It might have destroyed the meritorious value of faith. Show me the nail marks, Jesus, baby--that is, if you really resurrected. The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. I suspect that it what happened to you--when you began reading. No, the present ontological context of the universe would make Saint Francis of Assisi probably an honest existentialist (of the atheistic variety). No one will levitate or fly in my lifetime. This seems certain to me, because I sense zero miracle potential in the universe. But when I read these accounts *it is a very different metaphysic* I encounter. A metaphysic which simply does not exist and therefore would seem never to have existed. I think your reaction a normal and healthy one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. Come on Robin, the sources for these outlandish claims are not even given. It doesn't rise to even the level of the proven to be unreliable eyewitness accounts. This is at best hearsay through the distortion filter of many years and an obvious agenda to promote a cause. This is the telephone game played through centuries. You can't make any realistic distinction between these claims and sightings of aliens or bigfoot. These are stories, told by people with a purpose to inspire others that their internal experience was extraordinary just as Maharishi did with his flying promises. They may never have been meant to be taken literally, but if they were. there is no good reason to take these claims seriously. Or if we do just accept any old claim we have to include all the nonsense people have claimed to have witnessed. Oh hell, I should have just left it to the 16 words I haven't helped this cause at all! But if you have a case to make that I have missed some good reason to take these claims seriously I would be happy to read it. Start with how you build credibility for an unknown source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. RESPONSE: No, they seem to have stopped because they stopped. God--or the supernatural grace which precipitated this miracles--said: Fuck it! I've had it. I'm going to change up the game. And ever since then (just before our lifetime) there ain't no miracles (or if there are, they are not being done through the agency which determined the miracles in this article). I think if cinema had been around in the 13th to 16th centuries in particular, the Holy Ghost might have permitted there to be a few miracles filmed. But maybe not. It might have destroyed the meritorious value of faith. Show me the nail marks, Jesus, baby--that is, if you really resurrected. The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. I suspect that it what happened to you--when you began reading. No, the present ontological context of the universe would make Saint Francis of Assisi probably an honest existentialist (of the atheistic variety). No one will levitate or fly in my lifetime. This seems certain to me, because I sense zero miracle potential in the universe. But when I read these accounts *it is a very different metaphysic* I encounter. A metaphysic which simply does not exist and therefore would seem never to have existed. I think your reaction a normal and healthy one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
Curtis, the fanaticism of your disbelief is more unyielding to reality--or any ontological contingencies--than the fanaticism of those Evangelical Christians who tried to make you Accept the Lord into you life. I don't quite understand it, but there is a ferocious intransigence there, almost as if you secretly believed in these accounts more than anyone could on FFL. I am sorry, but you are the guy who if Santa Claus appeared at your fireplace on Christmas night--with his full compliment of reindeer--you would shout him out of your house, and even as you saw him flying away in the sky you would be cursing him (undoubtedly with some very barbed wit). There is a terrible and tragic compulsion in you to simplify this business of what is real, Curtis. You will accuse me of failing to address your question, but the coercive intent of your dogmatic view of the matter of the mystery of Why there is something rather than nothing? just vacuums up all the space that I think should be there were your convictions originating in an innocent experience. This is the problem between us, Curtis: It was an intellectual love fest in the beginning [Robin realizes he has totally lost Curtis at this point in his post: Curtis's FPOT is erupting in disgust]; but gradually it turned to intellectual estrangement of a very high order. I dont want to go down that road again with you, Curtis; but know this: there is an argument to be made for the veracity of the phenomenon described in these accounts and it is dramatically more complex and multi-layered and interesting than your simple and outright--and nonempirical--denial. Let's just be friends, Curtis. We are looking at the universe--and all the beings inside of it--from very different perspectives. Let us leave it at that. The writers, the witnesses, the Saints, in this article they are not fairly represented by an idea that makes of all this the equivalent of someone insisting the earth is really flat, or that my pet unicorn threw up in the sink this morning. You have a reflex about this, Curtis. If in the end it is proven there is a God you will tell him he doesn't exist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. Come on Robin, the sources for these outlandish claims are not even given. It doesn't rise to even the level of the proven to be unreliable eyewitness accounts. This is at best hearsay through the distortion filter of many years and an obvious agenda to promote a cause. This is the telephone game played through centuries. You can't make any realistic distinction between these claims and sightings of aliens or bigfoot. These are stories, told by people with a purpose to inspire others that their internal experience was extraordinary just as Maharishi did with his flying promises. They may never have been meant to be taken literally, but if they were. there is no good reason to take these claims seriously. Or if we do just accept any old claim we have to include all the nonsense people have claimed to have witnessed. Oh hell, I should have just left it to the 16 words I haven't helped this cause at all! But if you have a case to make that I have missed some good reason to take these claims seriously I would be happy to read it. Start with how you build credibility for an unknown source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. RESPONSE: No, they seem to have stopped because they stopped. God--or the supernatural grace which precipitated this miracles--said: Fuck it! I've had it. I'm going to change up the game. And ever since then (just before our lifetime) there ain't no miracles (or if there are, they are not being done through the agency which determined the miracles in this article). I think if cinema had been around in the 13th to 16th centuries in particular, the Holy Ghost might have permitted there to be a few miracles filmed. But maybe not. It might have destroyed the meritorious value of faith. Show me the nail marks, Jesus, baby--that is, if you really resurrected. The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y Q.E.D.!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. RESPONSE: No, they seem to have stopped because they stopped. God--or the supernatural grace which precipitated this miracles--said: Fuck it! I've had it. I'm going to change up the game. And ever since then (just before our lifetime) there ain't no miracles (or if there are, they are not being done through the agency which determined the miracles in this article). I think if cinema had been around in the 13th to 16th centuries in particular, the Holy Ghost might have permitted there to be a few miracles filmed. But maybe not. It might have destroyed the meritorious value of faith. Show me the nail marks, Jesus, baby--that is, if you really resurrected. I think you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head (sorry) these things are all about faith, specifically the church keeping its flock enthralled by the supposed power of devotion. If the only evidence people have is of the leaders they have been brought up to believe have a hotline to the almighty, then a few stories like this would sure help the donations flood in and if people suddenly had a way of checking for themselves the miracles would dry up, which we all agree they have done. The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. I suspect that it what happened to you--when you began reading. I've heard it all before actually, levitation, sea serpents, UFOs from venus, they all disappear once understanding increases to the point that the objects of faith can't even fit into the way we now see the world as being. UFOs are a particular favourite subject of mine, the speed at which the angelic beings from Venus stopped visiting us once we discovered that it rains flouro-sulphuric acid on their home world is amazing. All of a sudden the aliens came from much further away. Levitation might have been a poetic way of saying saints can get close to god or be drawn to heaven but once the four fundamental forces were nailed down and realised to be *not* optional without the universe falling apart the saints were seen as mere flesh after all and the miracles stopped. No, the present ontological context of the universe would make Saint Francis of Assisi probably an honest existentialist (of the atheistic variety). No one will levitate or fly in my lifetime. This seems certain to me, because I sense zero miracle potential in the universe. I don't know about that, religion still seems to be the order of most people's day. I think god is missing a trick in not manifesting something paranormal now. But when I read these accounts *it is a very different metaphysic* I encounter. A metaphysic which simply does not exist and therefore would seem never to have existed. I think your reaction a normal and healthy one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y Hmm, I suspect that this is a left wing plot to discredit the republicans. Am I right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Curtis, the fanaticism of your disbelief is more unyielding to reality--or any ontological contingencies--than the fanaticism of those Evangelical Christians who tried to make you Accept the Lord into you life. I don't quite understand it, but there is a ferocious intransigence there, almost as if you secretly believed in these accounts more than anyone could on FFL. I am sorry, but you are the guy who if Santa Claus appeared at your fireplace on Christmas night--with his full compliment of reindeer--you would shout him out of your house, and even as you saw him flying away in the sky you would be cursing him (undoubtedly with some very barbed wit). There is a terrible and tragic compulsion in you to simplify this business of what is real, Curtis. You will accuse me of failing to address your question, but the coercive intent of your dogmatic view of the matter of the mystery of Why there is something rather than nothing? just vacuums up all the space that I think should be there were your convictions originating in an innocent experience. This is the problem between us, Curtis: It was an intellectual love fest in the beginning [Robin realizes he has totally lost Curtis at this point in his post: Curtis's FPOT is erupting in disgust]; but gradually it turned to intellectual estrangement of a very high order. I dont want to go down that road again with you, Curtis; but know this: there is an argument to be made for the veracity of the phenomenon described in these accounts and it is dramatically more complex and multi-layered and interesting than your simple and outright--and nonempirical--denial. Let's just be friends, Curtis. We are looking at the universe--and all the beings inside of it--from very different perspectives. Let us leave it at that. The writers, the witnesses, the Saints, in this article they are not fairly represented by an idea that makes of all this the equivalent of someone insisting the earth is really flat, or that my pet unicorn threw up in the sink this morning. You have a reflex about this, Curtis. If in the end it is proven there is a God you will tell him he doesn't exist. I think if Santa appeared it would be the same as someone levitating, case proved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. Come on Robin, the sources for these outlandish claims are not even given. It doesn't rise to even the level of the proven to be unreliable eyewitness accounts. This is at best hearsay through the distortion filter of many years and an obvious agenda to promote a cause. This is the telephone game played through centuries. You can't make any realistic distinction between these claims and sightings of aliens or bigfoot. These are stories, told by people with a purpose to inspire others that their internal experience was extraordinary just as Maharishi did with his flying promises. They may never have been meant to be taken literally, but if they were. there is no good reason to take these claims seriously. Or if we do just accept any old claim we have to include all the nonsense people have claimed to have witnessed. Oh hell, I should have just left it to the 16 words I haven't helped this cause at all! But if you have a case to make that I have missed some good reason to take these claims seriously I would be happy to read it. Start with how you build credibility for an unknown source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. RESPONSE: No, they seem to have stopped because they stopped. God--or the supernatural grace which precipitated this miracles--said: Fuck it! I've had it. I'm going to change up the game. And ever since then (just before our lifetime) there ain't no miracles (or if there are, they are not being done through the agency which determined the miracles in this article). I think if cinema had been around in the 13th to 16th centuries in particular, the Holy Ghost might have permitted there to be a few miracles filmed. But maybe not. It might have destroyed the meritorious value of faith.
[FairfieldLife] Tim Freke: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 09/06/2012
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone know.....
Aw, come on. You know its true! People can levitate fully, but the folks posting the knowledge just forgot to post the prerequisite activity one must follow in order to go from hoppin' to floatin'. I hereby quote the same source, but earlier in the scripture. 30-31. During the early stages of practice the following obstacles take place, O four-faced one, (viz.,) laziness, idle talk, association with bad characters, acquisition of Mantras, etc., playing with metals (alchemy) and woman, etc., and mirage. A wise man having found out these should abandon them by the force of his virtues. 32. Then assuming Padma posture, he should practise Pranayama. He should erect a beautiful monastery with a very small opening and with no crevices. 33. It should be well pasted with cow-dung or with white cement. It should be carefully freed from bugs, mosquitoes and lice. 34. It should be swept well every day with a broom. It should be perfumed with good odours; and fragrant resins should burn in it. 35-36(a). Having taken his seat neither too high nor too low on a cloth, deer-skin and Kusa grass spread, one over the other, the wise man should assume the Padma posture and keeping his body erect and his hands folded in respect, should salute his tutelary deity. 46(b)-49. The proficient in Yoga should abandon the food detrimental to the practice of Yoga. He should give up salt, mustard; things sour, hot, pungent, or bitter vegetables; asafoetida, etc., worship of fire, women, walking, bathing at sunrise, emaciation of the body by fasts, etc. During the early stages of practice, food of milk and ghee is ordained; also food consisting of wheat, green pulse and red rice are said to favour the progress. Then he will be able to retain his breath as long as he likes. 50-53. By thus retaining the breath as long as he likes, Kevala Kumbhaka (cessation of breath without inspiration and expiration) is attained. When Kevala Kumbhaka is attained by one and thus expiration and inspiration are dispensed with, there is nothing unattainable in the three worlds to him. In the commencement (of his practice), sweat is given out; he should wipe it off. Even after that, owing to the retaining of the breath, the person practising it gets phlegm. Then by an increased practice of Dharana, sweat arises. 54. As a frog moves by leaps, so the Yogin sitting in the Padma posture moves on the earth. With a (further) increased practice, he is able to rise from the ground. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: What is so interesting to me is that if some guy jumped out of a van and handed you these claims, you would judge them as crazy. But then apply the magic of far away, and long ago and voila! People take it seriously. The Shiva Samhita is by an unknown author from the 16th or 17th century. That is pretty late in the game for having a supposed connection to Vedic times. It is the equivalent of finding a pamphlet on the ground near the freak's midway at a carnival and saying: hey these claims are very likely to be true! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. These flimsy references don't cut it. There is no reason for modern people to take the claims of the supernatural feat of flying seriously. First it was a way from Maharishi to get people to flock to more expensive courses with bogus promises. Then when that didn't pan out(magical things did not happen) it became a reason to get people to flock to big courses to save the world. Now if anyone wants to make a case that Maharishi believed his own hype instead of being a straight up con, I think you could make that case. On seeing flyers' for the first time, he reportedly said Is that all they can do? (That story is from Jerry) So maybe he believed it too. But by now I think it is more reasonable to think more carefully about the source of the belief in flying and noting that if this was such a big deal in Vedic times, don't you think it would have been mentioned a lot earlier? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/310458 Both cardmeister and I have quoted extensively from these in earlier threads in FFL. Excellent job. 54. As a frog moves by leaps, so the Yogin sitting in the Padma posture moves on the earth. With a (further) increased practice, he is able to rise from the ground. 55. He, while seated in Padma posture, levitates. There arises to him the power to perform extraordinary feats. 56. He does (or should) not disclose to others his feats of great powers (in the path). Any pain small or great, does not affect the Yogin. 57. Then excretions and sleep are diminished; tears, rheum in the eye, salivary flow,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y Q.E.D.! And this is a joke to make us think you're more credulous than you are so you can accuse us of being too stupid to see the irony. Or am I joking in assuming no-one else realised the irony and want to call you stupid for thinking I'm not clever enough to see what everyone could see instantly and considered not worth commenting on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Curtis, the fanaticism of your disbelief is more unyielding to reality--or any ontological contingencies--than the fanaticism of those Evangelical Christians who tried to make you Accept the Lord into you life. I don't quite understand it, but there is a ferocious intransigence there, almost as if you secretly believed in these accounts more than anyone could on FFL. No the ad hominem route doesn't cut it Robin. You and I share a similar proof system if a guy on the street handed us a bottle of pills and said take these and you will be better in every way. We would go through the same realistic questions concerning the claim, where did they come from, who made them, what is in them, how do you know what they do etc. You have deviated from this reasoning process in the case of the fantastic claim that people flew a long time ago and I am wondering why? You proposed that these claims ring true and you have turned it into an accusation that I am somehow deficient for asking what you are basing this confidence in. I am sorry, but you are the guy who if Santa Claus appeared at your fireplace on Christmas night--with his full compliment of reindeer--you would shout him out of your house, and even as you saw him flying away in the sky you would be cursing him (undoubtedly with some very barbed wit). Well I might be asleep and dreamed that I saw him, would it be unreasonable to check that out first? Would it be wrong to ask if someone else saw him? I have the same cognitive gaps you do Robin. You are building a case that I am somehow uniquely flawed by unreasonable skepticism, but you reject many ideas that I do and often from the same analysis of the baselessness of their claims. I suspect that you didn't attend any services for the late Sun Myung Moon because the Lord died, right? Does that make you this same guy you are trying to paint me as because you didn't find substance in his claims that he and many followers made that he was God on earth? There is a terrible and tragic compulsion in you to simplify this business of what is real, Curtis. You will accuse me of failing to address your question, I will because you are. You know better to slip an ad hominem attack in place of reasons Robin. but the coercive intent of your dogmatic view of the matter of the mystery of Why there is something rather than nothing? Just finished a great book by a physicist on this very subject. It turns out that from the physic's perspective nothing is less stable a state than something. Of course this doesn't clear up the mystery for a non physicist like me, but it does a bit better than just interjecting the word God as if that word explains it all. just vacuums up all the space that I think should be there were your convictions originating in an innocent experience. You are making a subjective assessment of how innocent my experience is here. You are of course welcome to make it, but don't think it advances your epistemological solitary, it is more ad hominem. It is a more gentile way of saying my pants are full of poop and yours are not so you don't have to give any supporting reasons for believing unsourced accounts of people flying posted on the Internet should be taken seriously. This is the problem between us, Curtis: It was an intellectual love fest in the beginning [Robin realizes he has totally lost Curtis at this point in his post: Curtis's FPOT is erupting in disgust]; Hey I liked you a lot and still do Robin (when you aren't trying to make a case that I am uniquely flawed for thinking differently than you do or challenging assertions you make), because of our disagreements as much as where we agree. but gradually it turned to intellectual estrangement of a very high order. I would rather discuss how we are putting our world views together differently, the reasons we have rather than long discussions of my personal faults through your perspective. Take a look at this very discussion Robin. I have challenged you for dodging my specific question about what you base your confidence on for those claims. I have further shown you where I specifically label what you have written as an attack on me as a person instead of rather than supporting your belief. What I have not done is to go into a list of what this means about the kind of person you are. I am not attacking you personally or characterizing you as a Bah Humbug Santa denier. (I just got my magazine page from the 1930s of Santa with a cigarette in his hand, it is my kind of Christmas cheer!) I dont want to go down that road again with you, Curtis; but know this: there is an argument to be made for the veracity of the phenomenon described in these accounts and it is dramatically more complex and multi-layered and interesting than your simple and outright--and nonempirical--denial.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y Q.E.D.! And this is a joke to make us think you're more credulous than you are so you can accuse us of being too stupid to see the irony. Or am I joking in assuming no-one else realised the irony and want to call you stupid for thinking I'm not clever enough to see what everyone could see instantly and considered not worth commenting on. Q.E.D. = quod erat demonstrandum, it has been demonstrated (literally, which was to be demonstrated) In this case, salyavin, what is it that Robin is saying has been demonstrated? Careful, now. You might want to review what has gone before. Irony sometimes has more than one layer.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 2016 is the film the White House does not want you to see and the story the media won't tell
I learned much I knew NOT of Obimination---BeginMessage--- Front Porch Politics Alert -- BREAKING NEWS: 2016 The Movie Conservative Film Maker steps in to pay Obama's brother's hospital bill... Here is an article written by Producer and Co-Director Dinesh D'Souza on a Fox News Opinion Piece. Please send this to your friends! This is an amazing article and one that deserves to be shared. Also, don't miss the video clip from 2016 The Movie where Dinesh interviews George Obama. See 2016 Obama's America in theaters now. Click here to find a theater near you. How I became George Obama's 'brother' By Dinesh D'Souza Published August 16, 2012 Fox News Opinion A few days ago I received a call from a man I recently met named George. He was a bit flustered, and soon informed me that his young son was sick with a chest condition. He pleaded with me to send him $1,000 to cover the medical bills. Since George was at the hospital I asked him to let me speak to a nurse, and she confirmed that George's son was indeed ill. So I agreed to send George the money through Western Union. He was profusely grateful. But before I hung up I asked George, Why are you coming to me? He said, I have no one else to ask. Then he said something that astounded me, Dinesh, you are like a brother to me. Actually, George has a real life brother who just happens to be the president of the United States. (George Obama is the youngest of eight children sired by Barack Obama Sr.) George's brother is a multimillionaire and the most powerful man in the world. Moreover, George's brother has framed his re-election campaign around the fair share theme that we owe obligations to those who are less fortunate. It's that fundamental belief - I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper - that makes this country work. Senator Barack Obama July 26, 2004 I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper - that's a value. President Barack Obama April 2, 2012 Continue Reading On FoxNews: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/ Exclusive clip from 2016 Obama's America --- Dinesh Interviews George Obama! Dinesh D'Souza, narrator and co-director of the film 2016 - Obama's America, is also the author of the new book Obama's America, published this week by Regnery. Buy it here. Tickets and showtimes Visit the Official Web site Spread the word on Facebook Follow updates on Twitter ©2012 OAF LLC on a Fox News Opinion Piece --- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3000http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/#ixzz23kegnhNS Click here -- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3001http://2016themovie.com/theaters/ Dinesh D'Souza -- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3002http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/dinesh-d'souza/index.html Fox News Opinion http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3003http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/#ixzz23kgSywbX http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3004http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/ -- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3005http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/ here
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-fligh\ ts-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the guy as he lifted off would have captured it; I strongly suspect that they would not have. If I had to speculate, I would suspect that the phenomenon we witnessed was -- if it truly existed -- taking place on an alternate level of reality that might not have been captured by technology on this level of reality. I am equally comfortable with the notion that it didn't really exist at all, but that brings up more unanswerable questions. I don't know about you, but I have a harder time with the notion that someone can hypnotize 200-500 people at a time into seeing the same thing -- *without ever pre-announcing what it was that they were going to see* -- less believable than that something was actually happening. Something else. WHAT that something else was, I have no idea. Do I feel somewhat uncomfortable saying this? You betcha. I share almost all of Curtis and salyavin's skepticism about such things. But I really *did* see this shit. Over and over and over, for an extended period of time. Am I supposed to *deny* that I saw it, or come up with some convenient skeptic's explanation for what it was I and hundreds of others saw? That, to me, would be the easy path, a cop-out. I *did* see it. I have NO FUCKING IDEA what exactly it was that I saw, only that I saw it. Many times. Lemme tell you, that is a great deal harder to live with than those who think that witnessing levitation would be a Good Thing That Would Make Their Incarnation might think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: snip I think if cinema had been around in the 13th to 16th centuries in particular, the Holy Ghost might have permitted there to be a few miracles filmed. But maybe not. It might have destroyed the meritorious value of faith. Show me the nail marks, Jesus, baby--that is, if you really resurrected. I think you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head (sorry) these things are all about faith, specifically the church keeping its flock enthralled by the supposed power of devotion. If the only evidence people have is of the leaders they have been brought up to believe have a hotline to the almighty, then a few stories like this would sure help the donations flood in and if people suddenly had a way of checking for themselves the miracles would dry up, which we all agree they have done. Is it just purported miracles that could be checked out that have dried up? Or have purported miracles for which there is no good explanation dried up as well? On the other hand, have donations stopped flooding in? The veracity or purported veracity of an eyewitness account is of course a special field of investigation. But, even were I totally skeptical, I would, in going through all what is said in this article, find my skepticism significantly challenged. I suspect that it what happened to you--when you began reading. I've heard it all before actually, levitation, sea serpents, UFOs from venus, they all disappear once understanding increases to the point that the objects of faith can't even fit into the way we now see the world as being. You're using faith here in the generic sense--i.e., not just religious faith. (There are still Nessie and similar sightings, by the way, so maybe sea serpents isn't the best example here.) Are there other examples that increased understanding has failed so far to explain? BTW, to have one's skepticism significantly challenged is not the same as to make a believer out of the skeptic. UFOs are a particular favourite subject of mine, the speed at which the angelic beings from Venus stopped visiting us once we discovered that it rains flouro-sulphuric acid on their home world is amazing. All of a sudden the aliens came from much further away. And this isn't a very good example either, because the aliens are still coming (or still being reported), despite the knowledge that they're unlikely to be coming from Venus. Venus was a perfectly reasonable guess at first since it's the closest planet to us. There are good cases to be made as to why alien visitation in general is unlikely, but that Venus is inhospitable to life ain't one of them. For that matter, we keep discovering that life can exist on earth in more and more apparently inhospitable places (not just more and more places, but places that are more and more inhospitable). Levitation might have been a poetic way of saying saints can get close to god or be drawn to heaven but once the four fundamental forces were nailed down and realised to be *not* optional without the universe falling apart the saints were seen as mere flesh after all and the miracles stopped. What's the specific chronology?--of once the four forces were nailed down etc. and the miracles stopped? My intention here is not to disagree with you but rather to get you to tighten up your case. To paraphrase Robin's comment on reports of saintly levitation: There is an argument to be made for the veracity of certain apparently miraculous phenomena that is dramatically more complex and multi-layered and interesting than most skeptics are willing to take into account. That's unfortunate, IMHO. We learn much more about a controversial issue when each side addresses its opponent's best case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-fligh\ ts-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), Barry has never been demonized by me for reporting his experience of seeing Lenz levitate. Bad start to an otherwise unusually honest and thoughtful post. I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the guy as he lifted off would have captured it; I strongly suspect that they would not have. If I had to speculate, I would suspect that the phenomenon we witnessed was -- if it truly existed -- taking place on an alternate level of reality that might not have been captured by technology on this level of reality. I am equally comfortable with the notion that it didn't really exist at all, but that brings up more unanswerable questions. I don't know about you, but I have a harder time with the notion that someone can hypnotize 200-500 people at a time into seeing the same thing -- *without ever pre-announcing what it was that they were going to see* -- less believable than that something was actually happening. Something else. WHAT that something else was, I have no idea. Do I feel somewhat uncomfortable saying this? You betcha. I share almost all of Curtis and salyavin's skepticism about such things. But I really *did* see this shit. Over and over and over, for an extended period of time. Am I supposed to *deny* that I saw it, or come up with some convenient skeptic's explanation for what it was I and hundreds of others saw? That, to me, would be the easy path, a cop-out. I *did* see it. I have NO FUCKING IDEA what exactly it was that I saw, only that I saw it. Many times. Lemme tell you, that is a great deal harder to live with than those who think that witnessing levitation would be a Good Thing That Would Make Their Incarnation might think. And bad ending. But we can and should appreciate what comes in the middle.
[FairfieldLife] Temple of the Vedic Planetarium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1v=OdhdIoEMzNEfeature=endscreen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I've heard it all before actually, levitation, sea serpents, UFOs from venus, they all disappear once understanding increases to the point that the objects of faith can't even fit into the way we now see the world as being. You're using faith here in the generic sense--i.e., not just religious faith. (There are still Nessie and similar sightings, by the way, so maybe sea serpents isn't the best example here.) Sea serpents are a great example as they used to be reported all over the world. They either died out (unlikely without good reason) or, most likely, they got reclassified as whales when man got interested in *actually* knowing what was out there. The descriptions people gave prior to that were seen as exaggerations of half-glimpsed features. No sea serpents have ever popped up, alive, dead or even fossilized to defend themselves. That people still see Nessie is funny more than anything else, there isn't enough food to support a breeding population of large predators in Loch Ness and the whole place has been mapped with sonar many times. Try telling that to the locals though... UFOs are a particular favourite subject of mine, the speed at which the angelic beings from Venus stopped visiting us once we discovered that it rains flouro-sulphuric acid on their home world is amazing. All of a sudden the aliens came from much further away. And this isn't a very good example either, because the aliens are still coming (or still being reported), despite the knowledge that they're unlikely to be coming from Venus. Venus was a perfectly reasonable guess at first since it's the closest planet to us. It wasn't a guess, it's where they said they were coming from to the contactees of the 50's. There are good cases to be made as to why alien visitation in general is unlikely, but that Venus is inhospitable to life ain't one of them. For that matter, we keep discovering that life can exist on earth in more and more apparently inhospitable places (not just more and more places, but places that are more and more inhospitable). Sure life can *adapt* to bizarre conditions but I was talking about humanoid life, breathing air, speaking English that claimed to come from somewhere that turns out has a surface temperature that would melt lead. Nowadays they all come from other dimensions or the Pleidaes, which actually have their own entertainingly serious problems preventing life like ours from evolving. The channellers should have researched it first methinks. What life needs to get going is another story. What it might need to be able to bypass the physical laws that underpin its existence is another one again. Levitation might have been a poetic way of saying saints can get close to god or be drawn to heaven but once the four fundamental forces were nailed down and realised to be *not* optional without the universe falling apart the saints were seen as mere flesh after all and the miracles stopped. What's the specific chronology?--of once the four forces were nailed down etc. and the miracles stopped? My intention here is not to disagree with you but rather to get you to tighten up your case. Why bother? My case is that times change and people are more versed in science and the way things really are and demand better evidence than the word of a dead religious person. A lot of people anyway, plenty still take the holy word for it but it has to be said miracles are a bit thin on the ground since we've had ways of recording them. To paraphrase Robin's comment on reports of saintly levitation: There is an argument to be made for the veracity of certain apparently miraculous phenomena that is dramatically more complex and multi-layered and interesting than most skeptics are willing to take into account. That's unfortunate, IMHO. We learn much more about a controversial issue when each side addresses its opponent's best case. Well I'm going to take my foot off the paradigm clutch if that was the best case for levitation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y Q.E.D.! And this is a joke to make us think you're more credulous than you are so you can accuse us of being too stupid to see the irony. Or am I joking in assuming no-one else realised the irony and want to call you stupid for thinking I'm not clever enough to see what everyone could see instantly and considered not worth commenting on. Q.E.D. = quod erat demonstrandum, it has been demonstrated (literally, which was to be demonstrated) In this case, salyavin, what is it that Robin is saying has been demonstrated? Careful, now. You might want to review what has gone before. Irony sometimes has more than one layer. Erm, you didn't have to take that seriously you know...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
Thanks for weighing in Barry because this demonstrates what I was trying to get at with Robin. I was looking for the reasons he has for giving these accounts credibility. Your reasons are transparent, you witnessed it. Even then you show some restraint in evaluating what it all means and I believe that is appropriate given the conditions under which you saw these things. But the reasons for your belief are present. And you are not extending the claim very far beyond your own experience. I have always enjoyed this wrinkle in the fabric of skepticism to have you say you saw this many times. I am not inclined to go any further than that you are reporting that you saw it. I can't verify if others did, or that they all saw the same thing, and I am not inclined to immediately assume that this guy actually could break the known laws of physics. It goes into my category of the relationship between perception and conception in our sensory perception for me. It is not a mechanical process and as we learn more how our minds construct our reality out of the jumble of choices available, it makes me less rather than more confident of our ability to sort this kind of perception out. Does this make me flawed as a skeptic because I don't automatically take your word for what it means? No, in fact it aligns me with your own caution about its objective reality. People can see weird shit. Now the personal implications of how this would affect a person is a different story. This sounds like the potential for some heavy cognitive dissonance and I don't envy your position...or maybe I do! Shit I would love to see someone floating above a desert. But if I had to bet, I would say that the chances of its objective reality might be diminished a bit by the fact that this amazing thing didn't cause more of a stir or was recorded somehow for outsiders to evaluate. Like Maharishi the guy seemed to like PR and this sure would have put him over the top if he could do it for the cameras with magician's present. My best guess is that it has a connection to the darshon experiences I had with Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-fligh\ ts-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the guy as he lifted off would have captured it; I strongly suspect that they would not have. If I had to speculate, I would suspect that the phenomenon we witnessed was -- if it truly existed -- taking place on an alternate level of reality that might not have been captured by technology on this level of reality. I am equally comfortable with the notion that it didn't really exist at all, but that brings up more unanswerable questions. I don't know about you, but I have a harder time with the notion that someone can hypnotize 200-500 people at a time into seeing the same thing -- *without ever pre-announcing what it was that they were going to see* -- less believable than that something was actually happening. Something else. WHAT that something else was, I have no idea. Do I feel somewhat uncomfortable saying this? You betcha. I share almost all of Curtis and salyavin's skepticism about such things. But I really *did* see this shit. Over and over and over, for an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not established fact? See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly developed theory from much observation. Pure conjecture would mean someone just made it up. Look, it's as good a conjecture as any other, but there's no way to observe what it posits (at least as you've stated it), no way to test it. It isn't scientific. You can observe developmental stages of personal evolution and there are many ways that healthy development can be arrested resulting in mental problems in later life. The seperation from mother is critical in this. The stretch is that the externalisation is a metaphor for religious life and while it could never be actually scientific due to the probable impossibility of time travel, it's a heckuva lot more likely than the Garden of Eden or Age of Enlightenment as it's a full expanation of one of our deepest spiritual needs. What I'm suggesting is that its status as a full explanation of one of our deepest spiritual needs is conjectural, regardless of the reality of GoE or AoE. There is no way to observe or test that it is the explanation of this need. The experience is the same (jolly pleasant) but the supporting beliefs become unnecessary and then *boy* does it get hard to justify yogic flying if you stop believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. Not if you experience benefits from the practice in daily life. Ha ha! So you think you canlive without the TM belief system and still hop about. Secular yogic flying, I'll believe that when I see it (How could you tell?) If it was taught without someone explaining what was going to happen because they don't teach it without recourse to the ancient texts that declare that's it's a stage of actual levitation or that it's an accepted part of physics that consciousness is the unified field and fundamental forces can be overruled. Cut the crap and the religion and just tell people to say the sutra without any loaded ideas and see what happens. That would be an interesting test, for sure. You'd need to include the full program (TM plus the other sutras) for it to be conclusive, though. It's entirely possible to hop without believing you're defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature. Possible but pointless. Again, not pointless if there are benefits in daily life. The sutra *does something* to/in/with the bodymind. I have no idea what or how, but it's something, and for many (or at least some) it has a beneficial effect. That's reason enough to practice even if you don't believe it will ever lead to flying. Fair enough. I think what happens is that you hop deliberately but don't *consciously* move the muscles in the same way that you don't consciously move them when you walk. In terms of the actual mechanics, I think it's something like this, except that it seems to me more like, say, the knee-jerk reflex or a sneeze or yawn. It's easy to stop walking; it's a lot more difficult (in my experience) to suppress the hopping impulse. The power of suggestion gained from the teaching method is enough to switch off credulity with a bit of practise. (Switch ON credulity, I think you mean.) There are other aspects to the experience, though, besides just the physical movements, and some of them are so completely unexpected that it isn't clear how they could be a matter of mere suggestion. Some of them are impossible to describe in words. If they're only suggestion, how are they suggested? Once you've had the experience of bubbling bliss, for example, you instantly realize it's what the term refers to. But how could you conceivably know what it was like just from the term itself? Bottom line, I think the power of suggestion explanation raises more questions than it answers. It's one of those skeptical responses that sounds great until you really look at it closely and realize that it just doesn't cover what it's supposed to cover. Or to put it another way, if it's all the power of suggestion, suggestion must be a lot more powerful and complex and mysterious than we thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
Well, I admit to having transitory faith - last night's resurgence of faith was a function of succumbing to the ideals, etc. put forth and the superior orators of those ideals. Ideals that are closer to my heart than those espoused by the GOP of late. And look, I'm sorry, but Clinton is an excellent performer and a smart fellow - far more skilled and intelligent than the Romney/Ryan duo. His message was very well-crafted and delivered. There is no question I will vote and vote Democrat as I see no other reasonable choice and swooning once in awhile is so much fun :). After all, the man has charisma. Ha. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) I watched a comedy special by lewis black a while ago regarding democrats and republicans, and I agree totaly with his point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html Proof that God heals amputees: http://youtu.be/PmH1YggCQ7Y Q.E.D.! And this is a joke to make us think you're more credulous than you are so you can accuse us of being too stupid to see the irony. Or am I joking in assuming no-one else realised the irony and want to call you stupid for thinking I'm not clever enough to see what everyone could see instantly and considered not worth commenting on. Q.E.D. = quod erat demonstrandum, it has been demonstrated (literally, which was to be demonstrated) In this case, salyavin, what is it that Robin is saying has been demonstrated? Careful, now. You might want to review what has gone before. Irony sometimes has more than one layer. Erm, you didn't have to take that seriously you know... OK, you didn't get beyond the top layer. Too bad. The next layer down is funnier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Well, I admit to having transitory faith - last night's resurgence of faith was a function of succumbing to the ideals, etc. put forth and the superior orators of those ideals. Ideals that are closer to my heart than those espoused by the GOP of late. And look, I'm sorry, but Clinton is an excellent performer and a smart fellow - far more skilled and intelligent than the Romney/Ryan duo. His message was very well-crafted and delivered. There is no question I will vote and vote Democrat as I see no other reasonable choice and swooning once in awhile is so much fun :). After all, the man has charisma. Ha. The only trouble with Clinton's speech is that Obama is going to have a hard time matching it tonight, let alone surpassing it. Clinton made a better case for Obama and the Democrats than Obama ever has, or ever could. Obama surely knew Clinton would outshine him when he invited Clinton to nominate him, so he (Obama) gets humility points for letting Clinton do the selling job, for the good of the party and the country. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) Â I watched a comedy special by lewis black a while ago regarding democrats and republicans, and I agree totaly with his point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
TurqB, if this took some courage to post, which I'm guessing it did, I thank you for that. Also for scrambling my brains nicely in reference to my opinions about you. This scrambling will definitely take some time to settle out. IMHO, you are the Biggest Mystery Man on FFL. And given the presence of So And So and You Know Who, that's saying a lot. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the guy as he lifted off would have captured it; I strongly suspect that they would not have. If I had to speculate, I would suspect that the phenomenon we witnessed was -- if it truly existed -- taking place on an alternate level of reality that might not have been captured by technology on this level of reality. I am equally comfortable with the notion that it didn't really exist at all, but that brings up more unanswerable questions. I don't know about you, but I have a harder time with the notion that someone can hypnotize 200-500 people at a time into seeing the same thing -- *without ever pre-announcing what it was that they were going to see* -- less believable than that something was actually happening. Something else. WHAT that something else was, I have no idea. Do I feel somewhat uncomfortable saying this? You betcha. I share almost all of Curtis and salyavin's skepticism about such things. But I really *did* see this shit. Over and over and over, for an extended period of time. Am I supposed to *deny* that I saw it, or come up with some convenient skeptic's explanation for what it was I and hundreds of others saw? That, to me, would be the easy path, a cop-out. I *did* see it. I have NO FUCKING IDEA what exactly it was that I saw, only that I saw it. Many times. Lemme tell you, that is a great deal harder to live with than those who think that witnessing levitation would be a Good Thing That Would Make Their Incarnation might think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
Well, I actually agree with you. Clinton does have a habit of wanting center stage and/or upstaging the one he's there to support. Part of his personality, no doubt. Overall, given that the key slogan/message was we're in this together, one has to take the whole package with Clinton and he did revive the convictions of many (noted when the camera panned to show resolve etched in the new set of the jaw and tightening of the lips of attending delegates). Obama may surprise us yet in his last four years. Tee Hee. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Well, I admit to having transitory faith - last night's resurgence of faith was a function of succumbing to the ideals, etc. put forth and the superior orators of those ideals. Ideals that are closer to my heart than those espoused by the GOP of late. And look, I'm sorry, but Clinton is an excellent performer and a smart fellow - far more skilled and intelligent than the Romney/Ryan duo. His message was very well-crafted and delivered. There is no question I will vote and vote Democrat as I see no other reasonable choice and swooning once in awhile is so much fun :). After all, the man has charisma. Ha. The only trouble with Clinton's speech is that Obama is going to have a hard time matching it tonight, let alone surpassing it. Clinton made a better case for Obama and the Democrats than Obama ever has, or ever could. Obama surely knew Clinton would outshine him when he invited Clinton to nominate him, so he (Obama) gets humility points for letting Clinton do the selling job, for the good of the party and the country. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) Â I watched a comedy special by lewis black a while ago regarding democrats and republicans, and I agree totaly with his point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
Yup, Barry, the upsurge in creative posts is inspiring. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true TurqB, if this took some courage to post, which I'm guessing it did, I thank you for that. Also for scrambling my brains nicely in reference to my opinions about you. This scrambling will definitely take some time to settle out. IMHO, you are the Biggest Mystery Man on FFL. And given the presence of So And So and You Know Who, that's saying a lot. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-flights-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the guy as he lifted off would have captured it; I strongly suspect that they would not have. If I had to speculate, I would suspect that the phenomenon we witnessed was -- if it truly existed -- taking place on an alternate level of reality that might not have been captured by technology on this level of reality. I am equally comfortable with the notion that it didn't really exist at all, but that brings up more unanswerable questions. I don't know about you, but I have a harder time with the notion that someone can hypnotize 200-500 people at a time into seeing the same thing -- *without ever pre-announcing what it was that they were going to see* -- less believable than that something was actually happening. Something else. WHAT that something else was, I have no idea. Do I feel somewhat uncomfortable saying this? You betcha. I share almost all of Curtis and salyavin's skepticism about such things. But I really *did* see this shit. Over and over and over, for an extended period of time. Am I supposed to *deny* that I saw it, or come up with some convenient skeptic's explanation for what it was I and hundreds of others saw? That, to me, would be the easy path, a cop-out. I *did* see it. I have NO FUCKING IDEA what exactly it was that I saw, only that I saw it. Many times. Lemme tell you, that is a great deal harder to live with than those who think that witnessing levitation would be a Good Thing That Would Make Their Incarnation might think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Second Open Plea to Mata Amritanandamayi
Curtis's time tested strategies, strategy #2 - cry wolf, slander others. Intelligent people please note - I was parodying a narrow minded conservative Indian male. I grew up in India. I have seen conservative, narrow minded, Brahmins, in my own family, treat women as unholy while they were menstruating. I used to feel so disgusted. But my own mother was a maverick, she fought her own physically abusive husband and this conservative society which looked down upon her, she made me sophisticated, intellectual, liberal individual. I told my mom how proud I was of her and that she was way ahead of her times and American women would be proud of her. She brought me up with no beliefs, no religious beliefs - what a woman. Mommy - I love you, your struggles, pain will not be in vain - you have created a beautiful, intelligent person, one of the most unique, your most darling, beloved son Ravi Chivukula. The women that I have spent time with in Amma's cult, in the West will never agree with people slandering me, my gentleness, my love, respect, kindness was felt by all women and hope they forgive me for the derogatory words I use, but such is the nature of any hard hitting parody. Just think about this, why so many derogatory words for women but none for men. Love, Ravi On Sep 6, 2012, at 6:23 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: http://tmblr.co/ZjaHJwSsJFPJ For anyone who has stumbled on my name here in association with this person. please follow this link he has proudly posted to understand who I am dealing with. http://tmblr.co/ZjaHJwSsJFPJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: The power of suggestion gained from the teaching method is enough to switch off credulity with a bit of practise. (Switch ON credulity, I think you mean.) Indeed. There are other aspects to the experience, though, besides just the physical movements, and some of them are so completely unexpected that it isn't clear how they could be a matter of mere suggestion. Some of them are impossible to describe in words. If they're only suggestion, how are they suggested? Once you've had the experience of bubbling bliss, for example, you instantly realize it's what the term refers to. But how could you conceivably know what it was like just from the term itself? I'm not talking about BB though am I? Seemed to me like that was an extension of the clear transcendental state caused by the extra complexity of the sutra it isn't anything paranormal. It's the hopping that I doubt would happen if you weren't expecting it and it would be impossible to not expect it given the name and the way they teach it. You have to *want* to do it to get anywhere. Bottom line, I think the power of suggestion explanation raises more questions than it answers. It's one of those skeptical responses that sounds great until you really look at it closely and realize that it just doesn't cover what it's supposed to cover. Until it's tried without it we won't know. Or to put it another way, if it's all the power of suggestion, suggestion must be a lot more powerful and complex and mysterious than we thought It can be very complex but I already though that.
[FairfieldLife] I can't resist
Is there no way out of the mind? ~Sylvia Plath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKt1Slc0v-8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: 2016 is the film the White House does not want you to see and the story the media won't tell
On 09/06/2012 09:15 AM, wleed3 wrote: I learned much I knew NOT of Obimination Do you people realize as much as you don't like Obama Romney will be even worse? Do you want to live in a 1930's style Hitlerean police state? It's getting that way now and the corporate bastards are the reason why just as they were in Germany (bet you thought it was all just Hitler didn't you). Forget about the right/left paradigm and start working together to keep the country from going totalitarian!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Second Open Plea to Mata Amritanandamayi
Oh my most beautiful, kindest, sweetest, sophisticated, intelligent, progressive American women, Have you been watching Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton's speeches? Would you follow these women or the crude, unsophisticated, uneducated women who thinks peeing, menstruating are things that are needed to be hidden? Does she represent post-modern 21st century values? I'm enveloped by sadness as I think how my mother if born in America could have been a Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton but she was taunted, abused for standing up to the narrow minded, Hindu, misogynist, homophobic, conservative society. We are at a pedestal in our spiritual, material journey - please decide if you support Mata Amritananandamyi or Michelle Obama - you can't have both because they are so dramatically opposite. Love, Ravi Chivukula On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Curtis's time tested strategies, strategy #2 - cry wolf, slander others. Intelligent people please note - I was parodying a narrow minded conservative Indian male. I grew up in India. I have seen conservative, narrow minded, Brahmins, in my own family, treat women as unholy while they were menstruating. I used to feel so disgusted. But my own mother was a maverick, she fought her own physically abusive husband and this conservative society which looked down upon her, she made me sophisticated, intellectual, liberal individual. I told my mom how proud I was of her and that she was way ahead of her times and American women would be proud of her. She brought me up with no beliefs, no religious beliefs - what a woman. Mommy - I love you, your struggles, pain will not be in vain - you have created a beautiful, intelligent person, one of the most unique, your most darling, beloved son Ravi Chivukula. The women that I have spent time with in Amma's cult, in the West will never agree with people slandering me, my gentleness, my love, respect, kindness was felt by all women and hope they forgive me for the derogatory words I use, but such is the nature of any hard hitting parody. Just think about this, why so many derogatory words for women but none for men. Love, Ravi On Sep 6, 2012, at 6:23 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: http://tmblr.co/ZjaHJwSsJFPJ For anyone who has stumbled on my name here in association with this person. please follow this link he has proudly posted to understand who I am dealing with. http://tmblr.co/ZjaHJwSsJFPJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist
I LOVE Eddie Murphy! Thanks for posting. This one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3m0t6s1zo From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist Is there no way out of the mind? ~Sylvia Plath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKt1Slc0v-8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Â Obama may surprise us yet in his last four years. Â Tee Hee. Â I'm hoping to see Obama pass the 20 trillion mark for national debt. That would be a monumental accomplishment. Not that it's entirely his doing, but he'll get the credit when it happens. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
Curtis, I think you studied hypnotherapy? Does it make you wonder if Lenz did some sort of mass hypnosis? There was this Sci-Fi series called Stormfront was based on a series of books about a supernatural investigator by a martial arts instructor. In one episode a character was doing shape shifting but winds up explaining to the protagonist that his body didn't actually change shape but the technique he had made somebody think he did. That said, my tantra teacher said he has floated and said I probably would but haven't. He didn't indicate there was any specific technique involved but he just noticed something funny during meditation and opened his eyes enough to see he was floating several feet off the ground. Probably like others I have dreams where I just step up into space and sail along like surfing through air. It seems ridiculously simple and confuses the mind when you wake up as to why it just doesn't work that way. On 09/06/2012 10:46 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks for weighing in Barry because this demonstrates what I was trying to get at with Robin. I was looking for the reasons he has for giving these accounts credibility. Your reasons are transparent, you witnessed it. Even then you show some restraint in evaluating what it all means and I believe that is appropriate given the conditions under which you saw these things. But the reasons for your belief are present. And you are not extending the claim very far beyond your own experience. I have always enjoyed this wrinkle in the fabric of skepticism to have you say you saw this many times. I am not inclined to go any further than that you are reporting that you saw it. I can't verify if others did, or that they all saw the same thing, and I am not inclined to immediately assume that this guy actually could break the known laws of physics. It goes into my category of the relationship between perception and conception in our sensory perception for me. It is not a mechanical process and as we learn more how our minds construct our reality out of the jumble of choices available, it makes me less rather than more confident of our ability to sort this kind of perception out. Does this make me flawed as a skeptic because I don't automatically take your word for what it means? No, in fact it aligns me with your own caution about its objective reality. People can see weird shit. Now the personal implications of how this would affect a person is a different story. This sounds like the potential for some heavy cognitive dissonance and I don't envy your position...or maybe I do! Shit I would love to see someone floating above a desert. But if I had to bet, I would say that the chances of its objective reality might be diminished a bit by the fact that this amazing thing didn't cause more of a stir or was recorded somehow for outsiders to evaluate. Like Maharishi the guy seemed to like PR and this sure would have put him over the top if he could do it for the cameras with magician's present. My best guess is that it has a connection to the darshon experiences I had with Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-fligh\ ts-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
Hey, you're the one who wrote...I agree totaly with his (Lewis Black's) point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Â Obama may surprise us yet in his last four years. Â Tee Hee. Â I'm hoping to see Obama pass the 20 trillion mark for national debt. That would be a monumental accomplishment. Not that it's entirely his doing, but he'll get the credit when it happens. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist
Very funny indeed. I missed all these movies. Thanks. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist I LOVE Eddie Murphy! Thanks for posting. This one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3m0t6s1zo From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist Is there no way out of the mind? ~Sylvia Plath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKt1Slc0v-8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
my statement doesn't really indicate faith in any party affiliation. if anything, it indicates that i'm ready to see the country go into oblivion and I don't really care if it does. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hey, you're the one who wrote...I agree totaly with his (Lewis Black's) point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: ÃÂ Obama may surprise us yet in his last four years. ÃÂ Tee Hee. ÃÂ I'm hoping to see Obama pass the 20 trillion mark for national debt. That would be a monumental accomplishment. Not that it's entirely his doing, but he'll get the credit when it happens. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist
I became a Jeff Goldblume fan while watching Holy Man. The takes with him and Eddie Murphy are wonderful. Especially seeing how generous Eddie was in sharing the stage with a less well known actor. There's a pivotal scene with them at the end that always touches my heart. Kelly Preston delights as the tough cookie love interest. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist Very funny indeed. I missed all these movies. Thanks. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist I LOVE Eddie Murphy! Thanks for posting. This one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3m0t6s1zo From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] I can't resist Is there no way out of the mind? ~Sylvia Plath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKt1Slc0v-8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
Barry, when you saw Lenz levite 1. had you heard before that he did this sort of thing? 2. can you recall if you and others present all described seeing exactly the same thing, including small variations, without cuing each other and leading each other? In other words, did the reports of individuals match exactly without talking to each other or anyone about the experience first? So - it you had all been asked to write about what you saw before saying a word to each other, would those descriptions match? 3. what other out of the ordinary experiences like levitation did you witness with him? If this happened now, people would whip out their phones and begin photographing him. Did people try to take photos of these events with regular cameras? What was Rama's explanation for what was going on? Did any of his students develop the same levitation ability? What that part of the training he gave? Did Lenz himself have training in magic/sleight of hand? I wonder what someone like Ricky Jay would say about this - if he could provide an explanation of how you go about appearing to levitate in the desert in front of hundreds. How far off the ground did he appear to go? I think I recall a friend saying he was in the clouds, or else that he moved clouds. To me, the alternate reality theory sounds likely - kind of explains a lot we can't explain - ghosts, angels, levitation and other miracles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/levitation-and-ecstatic-fligh\ ts-in.html It's just a shame that they seem to have stopped just before the invention of cinema. I am so glad that I didn't offer my wordy response before you nailed everything I could have said in just sixteen words! Just to pour gasoline on already-roaring flames, and to save a certain someone from bringing it up in an attempt to demonize me :-), I shall weigh in on the subject of levitation from a unique point of view. Other than Nabby, whose credibility I submit is in the same ballpark as Rush Limbaugh's or Paul Ryan's, I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. And I have. Not once, but dozens of times, over a period of 14 years. And it wasn't only me. Often I was one of a group of 200-500 students watching the guy do this, in various locations, ranging from out in the desert in the middle of the night to the Los Angeles Convention Center to Carnegie Hall. In those environments, Rama - Frederick Lenz didn't hop on his butt like a frog, he just lifted gently up off of the sofa or the sand he was sitting on or standing on, and hovered there in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't. For extended periods of time -- minutes, not seconds. That said, I can tell you nothing whatsoever about the nature of what it was that I saw other than I and others saw it. I do not know whether video or movie cameras trained on the guy as he lifted off would have captured it; I strongly suspect that they would not have. If I had to speculate, I would suspect that the phenomenon we witnessed was -- if it truly existed -- taking place on an alternate level of reality that might not have been captured by technology on this level of reality. I am equally comfortable with the notion that it didn't really exist at all, but that brings up more unanswerable questions. I don't know about you, but I have a harder time with the notion that someone can hypnotize 200-500 people at a time into seeing the same thing -- *without ever pre-announcing what it was that they were going to see* -- less believable than that something was actually happening. Something else. WHAT that something else was, I have no idea. Do I feel somewhat uncomfortable saying this? You betcha. I share almost all of Curtis and salyavin's skepticism about such things. But I really *did* see this shit. Over and over and over, for an extended period of time. Am I supposed to *deny* that I saw it, or come up with some convenient skeptic's explanation for what it was I and hundreds of others saw? That, to me, would be the easy path, a cop-out. I *did* see it. I have NO FUCKING IDEA what exactly it was that I saw, only that I saw it. Many times. Lemme tell you, that is a great deal harder to live with than those who think that witnessing levitation would be a Good Thing That Would Make Their Incarnation might think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: TurqB, if this took some courage to post, which I'm guessing it did, I thank you for that. He has told this story again and again for many years before you arrived. I don't doubt his story, but suspect he is telling it to gain weight and credibility for his lifelong project; to bash Maharishi and the TMO as much as possible and in a subtle way introduce Buddhism as sooo much better. In other words, it's a trick to make him more believable in the eyes of gullible readers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was the Maharishi confused? (or just being clever).
There is NOTHING that a Saint will nòt do. That's the nice thing about saints: they will never fit into the prison of our(need for)definitions. _ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: Notice how MMY used to say that TM was all you needed to improve your life and reach enlightenment? CC,GC and UC. So in his lectures he suggested that all eight limbs of Patanjali weren't actually necessary, right? They (Yama and NIyama) were, as the tmorg still says, the 'ends' and not the 'means', right? But when you read MMY's Bhagavad Gita he says (in the appendix under Yoga) that Patanjali meant for ALL eight limbs to be practiced *simultaneously* (quote, MMY). Go figure? was MMY confused or just being clever? (I think the later). So the question arises, is this something a 'saint' would do? and do the ends justify the means as MMY so often made it appear?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: 2016 is the film the White House does not want you to see and the story the media won't tell
So lets see... George is born when Barack is 21 years old and he is born half a world away. George and Barack also have 6 other siblings with different mothers scattered about the world. Real strong family ties were established in that scenario, I'm sure. Dinesh is very engaging in his interview stylizing, but at the end of the day he is just a Fox hack surviving on innuendo, lies, omission of facts, and bad journalism. As for paying the medical bills, this is just check-book journalism. Murdoch pays more for PI's to hack cell phones. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 WLeed3@... wrote: I learned much I knew NOT of Obimination Front Porch Politics Alert -- BREAKING NEWS: 2016 The Movie Conservative Film Maker steps in to pay Obama's brother's hospital bill... Here is an article written by Producer and Co-Director Dinesh D'Souza on a Fox News Opinion Piece. Please send this to your friends! This is an amazing article and one that deserves to be shared. Also, don't miss the video clip from 2016 The Movie where Dinesh interviews George Obama. See 2016 Obama's America in theaters now. Click here to find a theater near you. How I became George Obama's 'brother' By Dinesh D'Souza Published August 16, 2012 Fox News Opinion A few days ago I received a call from a man I recently met named George. He was a bit flustered, and soon informed me that his young son was sick with a chest condition. He pleaded with me to send him $1,000 to cover the medical bills. Since George was at the hospital I asked him to let me speak to a nurse, and she confirmed that George's son was indeed ill. So I agreed to send George the money through Western Union. He was profusely grateful. But before I hung up I asked George, Why are you coming to me? He said, I have no one else to ask. Then he said something that astounded me, Dinesh, you are like a brother to me. Actually, George has a real life brother who just happens to be the president of the United States. (George Obama is the youngest of eight children sired by Barack Obama Sr.) George's brother is a multimillionaire and the most powerful man in the world. Moreover, George's brother has framed his re-election campaign around the fair share theme that we owe obligations to those who are less fortunate. It's that fundamental belief - I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper - that makes this country work. Senator Barack Obama July 26, 2004 I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper - that's a value. President Barack Obama April 2, 2012 Continue Reading On FoxNews: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/ Exclusive clip from 2016 Obama's America --- Dinesh Interviews George Obama! Dinesh D'Souza, narrator and co-director of the film 2016 - Obama's America, is also the author of the new book Obama's America, published this week by Regnery. Buy it here. Tickets and showtimes Visit the Official Web site Spread the word on Facebook Follow updates on Twitter ©2012 OAF LLC on a Fox News Opinion Piece --- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3000http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/#ixzz23kegnhNS Click here -- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3001http://2016themovie.com/theaters/ Dinesh D'Souza -- http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3002http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/dinesh-d'souza/index.html Fox News Opinion http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3003http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/#ixzz23kgSywbX http://sm.responsebeacon.com:80/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY0MzA1Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02MTYwNyZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTc0MDImc2VyaWFsPTE2Nzg0Njk3JmVtYWlsaWQ9d2xlZWQzQGFvbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTFfNzExMTEyJnRhcmdldGlkPSZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm3004http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
Replying to the first Robin2 below: Robin, it sounds like you're saying that you sensed you were getting the real me and not my beliefs. But OTOH you were very likely wrong. Given this assessment of me by you, I'd prefer to suspend communication with you. Apologies if I've misunderstood and in that case, I hope we can work things out. Good luck with Michael on the 20th. All the best always, Share From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share: From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Dear Share, Robin1: You must excuse my presumption here (because it is very likely I am wrong) but I must tell you that in this post I get to feel the most Share that is there severed (perhaps not consciously:)) from her philosophy. It just *seemed* to me that all you wrote here came out of your experience unmediated by any final beliefs about what is real. Like a beautiful accident of Share making herself available beyond what would be possible were she solidly, as she almost always is, behind her spiritual orientation to people and reality (which, in the weaponry and ordnance deployed by some of us more irascible FFL posters, is sometimes--silently, mind you--denigrated as being overly positive--and therefore impotent:)). Share1: hi Robin, yes I will excuse your presumption if you excuse my not going down this particular rabbit hole again. You know, the one about my being so positive yada yada. As for my being impotent, it's not been my intention to be, uh, potent. So no problemo. Sigh, btw, I notice I'm feeling grumpy this morning. Blaming it on the sugar I ate yesterday. Somehow I've become very sensitive to sugar. Anyway, Robin, apologies for taking it out on you. Robin2: All that I was trying to communicate--and I said I was very likely...wrong--was the sense I had in reading your post to me that *I was only getting the human being Share Long*--and no belief system. This was my honest and undeniable experience. I had to be true to that experience, and I thought it noteworthy; I took the chance on making this experience known to the person who had produced that experience inside of me. My approach here was the only one that seemed available to me--with all the qualifiers which I thought would obviate the need to retaliate. :-) I found in the assumption that I was correct: i.e. I was only getting the person Share here--that somehow you came across more powerfully and beautifully this way--But, again, this is only an impression I have: Perhaps in your post you were aware of asserting your philosophy all the same. You must understand me here, Share, so that you do not construe my post as some kind of hint to you: viz. Hey, Share: how about laying off the positive philosophy and just talking to me as the real person you are! It was not this at all; it was my confessing to you how your post influenced me and what I assumed was the cause of that influence. Nothing more than this, Share--no matter how it seemed. And I even take responsibility for you being slightly offended by what for you--if I am interpreting you truthfully--was my attempt to be didactic. I just had a different experience of you and I tried to tell you what that experience was. I will suspend my attempt to make that experience intelligible to me, and just say: great post, Share. :-) Robin1: Yes, Share, I felt I knew something about the beauty of the Russian soul--its utter distinctiveness from any other peoples in the world--after viewing that video a number of times. The feeling of collective warmth and passion, it seemed so real and natural to me. Changed my perception of Russia, I think. Even of Putin. I think Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, from wherever he is now, must be happier about his Mother Russia--unless nationality counts for nothing after death, and one becomes, unavoidably, a universalist. But it made me want to be there among those young people--and made me have confidence about the future of Russia. Share1: Good! Because I agree with something Susan said recently about how expectations in the classroom influence a student's performance. Perhaps your confidence about future of Russia will have a good influence. Robin2: Well, I am not sure about the metaphysical implications of my realization of the startling beauty of the Russian soul, based upon what these young people conveyed to me; but certainly I believe my experience liberated me totally and irrevocably from some resentment and
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Obama Dodges on 'Didn't Build That'; Democrats Boo God; Obama 'Spewing Coals' at Failed Debt Talks
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: TurqB, if this took some courage to post, which I'm guessing it did, I thank you for that. He has told this story again and again for many years before you arrived. This is true. Didn't take any courage per se. But it's unusual in that the concomitant bashing was minimal. I don't doubt his story, but suspect he is telling it to gain weight and credibility for his lifelong project; to bash Maharishi and the TMO as much as possible and in a subtle way introduce Buddhism as sooo much better. In other words, it's a trick to make him more believable in the eyes of gullible readers. I think the project is just to promote Barry. Bashing MMY/the TMO and/or touting Buddhism are means to that end. The main point of the story is to make himself seem Important. But this was a good post on its own terms.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was the Maharishi confused? (or just being clever).
Doc sez, A saint will not do harm. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guusschilder gschilder@... wrote: There is NOTHING that a Saint will nòt do. That's the nice thing about saints: they will never fit into the prison of our(need for)definitions. _ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Notice how MMY used to say that TM was all you needed to improve your life and reach enlightenment? CC,GC and UC. So in his lectures he suggested that all eight limbs of Patanjali weren't actually necessary, right? They (Yama and NIyama) were, as the tmorg still says, the 'ends' and not the 'means', right? But when you read MMY's Bhagavad Gita he says (in the appendix under Yoga) that Patanjali meant for ALL eight limbs to be practiced *simultaneously* (quote, MMY). Go figure? was MMY confused or just being clever? (I think the later). So the question arises, is this something a 'saint' would do? and do the ends justify the means as MMY so often made it appear?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
It's never been a safe bet to bet against America ~ Joe Biden Come drink the Kool-Aid, seekliberation, the ratio of water to sugar to flavoring is ju right. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) my statement doesn't really indicate faith in any party affiliation. if anything, it indicates that i'm ready to see the country go into oblivion and I don't really care if it does. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hey, you're the one who wrote...I agree totaly with his (Lewis Black's) point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:  Obama may surprise us yet in his last four years.  Tee Hee.  I'm hoping to see Obama pass the 20 trillion mark for national debt. That would be a monumental accomplishment. Not that it's entirely his doing, but he'll get the credit when it happens. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Barry, when you saw Lenz levite 1. had you heard before that he did this sort of thing? No. Not the first time I saw him/it. 2. can you recall if you and others present all described seeing exactly the same thing, including small variations, without cuing each other and leading each other? In other words, did the reports of individuals match exactly without talking to each other or anyone about the experience first? No, they did not. That is one of the things that makes me believe that if the phenomena like levitation and invisibility and others were actually happening, they were happening on a more subtle alternate plane of existence, literally Carlos Castaneda's separate realities. So people could see the same basic event taking place, but with variations. One of the things that still makes it all fascinating to me is that many of these experiences really were *not* pre-announced or set up. He'd just be talking away, teaching about some odd piece of philosophy or whatever, and then go all invisible, fade out like the Cheshire Cat, so first you could see through him, and then there was no him, and then he'd come back. All the while there has been no mention of this. He was talking about something completely different. At the end of it all, several people ask, UH...did you just disappear? And then he laughs. When polled, most of the people there saw it happen. But not all. So it -- whatever it was -- was somewhat subjective, and no, not everyone saw the same thing. Same general thing, but with variations. The same, I would imagine, as if you polled people about more normal events; not all of them would see/remember them the same way. So - it you had all been asked to write about what you saw before saying a word to each other, would those descriptions match? Not necessarily, but they often did. If you can still find the scanned PDF of it on the Web, see The Last Incarnation, a series of stories about the dude written by his students. Some of the stories are about the same events, and some agree, some don't. 3. what other out of the ordinary experiences like levitation did you witness with him? Too many to even begin to talk about. If you think that seeing someone violate the laws of nature as we know them by levitating or going invisible would fuck with your mind, consider what witnessing things that even more couldn't happen would do to you. Not gonna get into it here. I said pretty much all I have to say about the whole thing in Road Trip Mind. If this happened now, people would whip out their phones and begin photographing him. Did people try to take photos of these events with regular cameras? I don't know. I know I didn't. I did make audio tapes of talks while in the desert, but no photographs. It was usually nighttime, after all, and thus one would have needed flash. What was Rama's explanation for what was going on? I just do what I do, and people report their experiences. There was clearly no technique involved in doing what he did, in the sense that he had to sit a certain way or meditate first or work himself up to it. He'd just lift up off the ground or go all invisible kinda at will. I think that if he ever described these powers and how he got them it was in terms of having remembered them from a previous life, not ever having tried to attain them in this one. Did any of his students develop the same levitation ability? What that part of the training he gave? No. See above. He never taught these things, only demo'd them. Did Lenz himself have training in magic/sleight of hand? No. I saw him try to do a simple card trick once, and he was terrible at it. *I* was better. :-) I wonder what someone like Ricky Jay would say about this - if he could provide an explanation of how you go about appearing to levitate in the desert in front of hundreds. I'd love to hear him try, but I won't hold my breath waiting for it, because he would be looking for an explanation based on the assumption that it didn't really happen, and was some kind of trick. I find that difficult to accept. In the desert we're talking about hiking into places that are just sand, surrounded by nothing from which to suspend wires or anything. I once saw Rama levitate off the naugahyde benches of a Denny's late at night, ferchrssakes. I don't think he managed to pre-arrange some kind of apparatus in that Denny's. :-) How far off the ground did he appear to go? I think I recall a friend saying he was in the clouds, or else that he moved clouds. He moved clouds around and made them disappear. As far as I ever saw, he never got more than a few feet off the ground. To me, the alternate reality theory sounds likely - kind of explains a lot we can't explain - ghosts, angels, levitation and other miracles. Sounds right to me, too. It goes along with many other experiences I've had of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
Joe Biden is quite possibly the only democrat that can compete with George Bush when it comes to putting his foot in his mouth. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: It's never been a safe bet to bet against America ~ Joe Biden Come drink the Kool-Aid, seekliberation, the ratio of water to sugar to flavoring is ju right.  From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)  my statement doesn't really indicate faith in any party affiliation. if anything, it indicates that i'm ready to see the country go into oblivion and I don't really care if it does. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Hey, you're the one who wrote...I agree totaly with his (Lewis Black's) point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. From: seekliberation seekliberation@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: ÃâàObama may surprise us yet in his last four years. ÃâàTee Hee. ÃâàI'm hoping to see Obama pass the 20 trillion mark for national debt. That would be a monumental accomplishment. Not that it's entirely his doing, but he'll get the credit when it happens. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)
Naw, Biden's not *that* bad and his positive qualities offset his occasional bloopers. He's got heart, I tell you, heart. Only Dan Quayle could compete with George Bush. Well, let me reconsider. Romney has been doin' a heckuva job so far as well. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!) Joe Biden is quite possibly the only democrat that can compete with George Bush when it comes to putting his foot in his mouth. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: It's never been a safe bet to bet against America ~ Joe Biden Come drink the Kool-Aid, seekliberation, the ratio of water to sugar to flavoring is ju right.  From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)  my statement doesn't really indicate faith in any party affiliation. if anything, it indicates that i'm ready to see the country go into oblivion and I don't really care if it does. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Hey, you're the one who wrote...I agree totaly with his (Lewis Black's) point of view that anyone who has faith in either party must be delusional. From: seekliberation seekliberation@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lewis Black on Reps/Dems (was: DNC - Warren and Clinton Rocked!)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:  Obama may surprise us yet in his last four years.  Tee Hee.  I'm hoping to see Obama pass the 20 trillion mark for national debt. That would be a monumental accomplishment. Not that it's entirely his doing, but he'll get the credit when it happens. seekliberation
