Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.commailto:katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.commailto:felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, and wondered why I wouldn't wear their fur..so I gave away my lousy fur coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. - that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. Unfortunately, I'm not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine.it could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses don't even use her methods.too expensive.they care only about the bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the dead pile, and the methods of slaughter..Amen! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of D.S.Louis Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
You're right, Natalie -- we COULD do better. But Dr. Grandin has the right idea. That's all I'm saying. Animals deserve our respect, no matter what the species. they are individuals, after all. My husband will NEVER give up meat. We've talked about it. Won't happen. As for myself, I am very aware of what happens with a lot of animals in line for slaughter. Wouldn't it be wonderful if slaughter houses were REQUIRED to humanely handle the animals? There really is no excuse these days for this kind of cruel treatment -- not with what we know now about the minds of animals. You didn't upset me -- I completely understand why you feel the way you do. I don't buy fur or leather either whenever I can avoid it. If I can find what I need in a synthetic or plant based material, I'm good with that. T - Original Message - From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, and wondered why I wouldn't wear their fur..so I gave away my lousy fur coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. - that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. Unfortunately, I'm not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine.it could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses don't even use her methods.too expensive.they care only about the bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the dead pile, and the methods of slaughter..Amen! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.commailto:katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - *From:* Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service,
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Hi Marcia, I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book Homer's Odyssey, you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if he had a choice. T - Original Message - From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.commailto:siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.commailto:katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of
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I think that only one of Cargills slaughter houses uses her methods. And Temple said in one of her books that she felt bad about building something to send animals to their death. But more or less that if it is going to happen, it would help their state of mind. Another reason for this is to benefit humans because the hormones that produce fear in the animals remain in the slaughtered meat.believe me, I don't agree with any kind of slaughter. I don't think we have the right to say what another beings life is here for...I mean to serve us.I find it very egotistical. when people saysomething to me about that's what they're here for, I just tell them that someone forgot to tell the cows that. (I live in Kansas...a lot of cattle people here). I better get off this subject...because it is a big issue with me and I could go on and on..Ok Done!! On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, and wondered why I wouldn’t wear their fur….so I gave away my lousy fur coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. – that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. Unfortunately, I’m not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine…it could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses don’t even use her methods…too expensive…they care only about the bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the “dead pile”, and the methods of slaughter….Amen! ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Terri Brown *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt ** ** I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - *From:* Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt ** ** tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was
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my husband too.in fact he has even bought cattle and I didn't speak to him for a week. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.comwrote: ** Hi Marcia, I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book Homer's Odyssey, you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if he had a choice. T - Original Message - *From:* Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.comwrote: ** I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - *From:* Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't
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Sounds good to me! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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We have one cat with a vestibular problem, and he's super sweet, a real uncle to all the cats.but when he feels worse, he walks around hissing all the time, and we know it's not at any particular cat - he's just not feeling too well that day! Fletch probably feels terrible when he does that! Is there any reason that he would be on Amoxi indefinitely? And what would the prednisone be for? We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy - poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned. Now, I'm trying to find him a small and quiet home.he has to be approached quietly and forewarned that you're there. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed
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I have a thought - can you cook the beef to taste really awful? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book Homer's Odyssey, you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if he had a choice. T ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt
We have one cat with a vestibular problem, and he's super sweet, a real uncle to all the cats.but when he feels worse, he walks around hissing all the time, and we know it's not at any particular cat - he's just not feeling too well that day! Fletch probably feels terrible when he does that! Is there any reason that he would be on Amoxi indefinitely? And what would the prednisone be for? We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy - poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned. Now, I'm trying to find him a small and quiet home.he has to be approached quietly and forewarned that you're there. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
you're a sweetheart. Right now he has some unknown infection..when I took him to the vet his temp was 105. So they put him on amoxi. She said that if he can't clear the infection he can just stay on amoxi. I think he needs probiotics too. I would think staying on an antibiotic all the time would make infections resistant to it. She said sometimes prednisone works really well on felv cats. I think someone else on this list also said their cat had it and it helped. Will have to look that up and send it to you. That poor cat, stumblin around in a neighborhood, probably trying to figure out what is going on. I have a very real problem with people that abandon animals or dump them. they really should be prosecuted, but 10 times out of 10 we don't know who they are, but people think we are the crazy ones for taking care of them!!! On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We have one cat with a vestibular problem, and he’s super sweet, a real uncle to all the cats…but when he feels worse, he walks around hissing all the time, and we know it’s not at any particular cat – he’s just not feeling too well that day! Fletch probably feels terrible when he does that! Is there any reason that he would be on Amoxi indefinitely? And what would the prednisone be for? ** ** We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy – poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned. Now, I’m trying to find him a small and quiet home…he has to be approached quietly and forewarned that you’re there. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marcia Baronda *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt ** ** Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - *From:* Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt ** ** tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt
ROFL I could try, but I'm a good cook -- he'd know I did it on purpose! T - Original Message - From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt I have a thought - can you cook the beef to taste really awful? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book Homer's Odyssey, you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if he had a choice. T ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake?
For those who have had experience with fracking: Jeanne Bramhall http://org2.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2c=vnLSynjbGVH0%2BgqUH47 8AoHpbqZTxjxA Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? http://www.opednews.com/populum/thumbnails/fracking-47501-20110823-415.gif The epicenter of Tuesday's earthquake is 160 miles from Braxton West Virginia, which has also experienced a rash of freak earthquakes since fracking operations started there several years ago. Geologic research has also linked fracking to freak earthquakes in Texas, Arkansas, New York State, Oklahoma, and Blackpool England. attachment: image001.gifattachment: image003.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt
Kudos to you Natalie for taking in that precious boy! I bet he was so scared. I wish my home was quiet, I would take him in. Keep us posted on him please. L - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:45 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt We have one cat with a vestibular problem, and he's super sweet, a real uncle to all the cats.but when he feels worse, he walks around hissing all the time, and we know it's not at any particular cat - he's just not feeling too well that day! Fletch probably feels terrible when he does that! Is there any reason that he would be on Amoxi indefinitely? And what would the prednisone be for? We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy - poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned. Now, I'm trying to find him a small and quiet home.he has to be approached quietly and forewarned that you're there. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake?
Ya know, that was my first thought!! Am I a fear monger? No, just well educated about the effects of gas drilling fracking. Check this news out, it was just posted on my friends FB page. Read full article by clicking on the link for those that are interested. State air tests in two communities in the Barnett Shale gas patch found strong evidence that a cancer-causing chemical - banned for most uses for more than 25 years - was used in hydraulic fracturing of natural gas wells http://www.texassharon.com/2011/08/24/barnett-shale-tests-find-banned-carcinogen-in-air-near-fracking-sites/ - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? For those who have had experience with fracking: Jeanne Bramhall Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? The epicenter of Tuesday's earthquake is 160 miles from Braxton West Virginia, which has also experienced a rash of freak earthquakes since fracking operations started there several years ago. Geologic research has also linked fracking to freak earthquakes in Texas, Arkansas, New York State, Oklahoma, and Blackpool England. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org image003.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake?
Thanks for sharing that article. It's very interesting indeed! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? For those who have had experience with fracking: Jeanne Bramhall Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? The epicenter of Tuesday's earthquake is 160 miles from Braxton West Virginia, which has also experienced a rash of freak earthquakes since fracking operations started there several years ago. Geologic research has also linked fracking to freak earthquakes in Texas, Arkansas, New York State, Oklahoma, and Blackpool England. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org image003.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I'd get her a friend and a new vet. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, April Johnson wrote: In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I agree. I had a FeLV+ cat that lived to 9-1/2 years. It's not a death sentence. I also mixed FeLV and non-Felv, without ever having one of my negatives get the disease. Make sure your negatives are current on boosters, and you should be fine. If you can take in a FeLV+ baby for a companion for Spicy, I think that would be great! You need to find a vet with a more progressive attitude toward this disease. It's manageable. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPGmailto:maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I'd get her a friend and a new vet. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, April Johnson wrote: In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake?
In Arkansas there had been many, many small earthquakes, and fracking is suspected! No, you're not a fear monger, you're facing reality of what they would like no one to notice.. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? Ya know, that was my first thought!! Am I a fear monger? No, just well educated about the effects of gas drilling fracking. Check this news out, it was just posted on my friends FB page. Read full article by clicking on the link for those that are interested. State air tests in two communities in the Barnett Shale gas patch found strong evidence that a cancer-causing chemical - banned for most uses for more than 25 years - was used in hydraulic fracturing of natural gas wells http://www.texassharon.com/2011/08/24/barnett-shale-tests-find-banned-carcin ogen-in-air-near-fracking-sites/ - Original Message - From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] For those who had experience with fracking: Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? For those who have had experience with fracking: Jeanne Bramhall http://org2.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2c=vnLSynjbGVH0%2BgqUH47 8AoHpbqZTxjxA Did Fracking Cause the Virginia Earthquake? http://www.opednews.com/populum/thumbnails/fracking-47501-20110823-415.gif The epicenter of Tuesday's earthquake is 160 miles from Braxton West Virginia, which has also experienced a rash of freak earthquakes since fracking operations started there several years ago. Geologic research has also linked fracking to freak earthquakes in Texas, Arkansas, New York State, Oklahoma, and Blackpool England. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago.couldn't find anyone to take him, he was very lonely. After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat - they became friends overnight. A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA - they were both negative. Just imagine, how lucky I was - one of them could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV! The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after the positive ELISA. Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely positive cat for company. Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother will be positive more likely than not. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
April, let me ask you this first...has an IFA test been done? This test should always follow a positive ELISA test. The ELISA tests have a reputation for false positives. I will say that she does have a chance of clearing the virus. How long ago was Spicy originally tested? Thanks! Lynda - Original Message - From: April Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I agree about the vet - what a stupid comment! That's what scares me so much about some vets, and many people get so terrified of FeLV, they even think that they could get it - DUH! It's shameless! Maybe this is something that cat rescue groups could use to educate the public on the free airwaves for PSAs.. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I'd get her a friend and a new vet. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, April Johnson wrote: In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
AMEN!! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I agree about the vet - what a stupid comment! That's what scares me so much about some vets, and many people get so terrified of FeLV, they even think that they could get it - DUH! It's shameless! Maybe this is something that cat rescue groups could use to educate the public on the free airwaves for PSAs.. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I'd get her a friend and a new vet. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, April Johnson wrote: In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Spicy tested positive with the ELISA test on June 11th. She is being re-tested next Wednesday and I'm having the blood sent out this time. With the ELISA test she was a strong positive the vet said. She seems perfectly healthy except one of her eyes does run some days. She doesn't appear sick, she's put on weight, eats really well. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats April, let me ask you this first...has an IFA test been done? This test should always follow a positive ELISA test. The ELISA tests have a reputation for false positives. I will say that she does have a chance of clearing the virus. How long ago was Spicy originally tested? Thanks! Lynda - Original Message - From: April Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Farm animals
I could join you on your soapbox. I think the cruelty and inhumane treatment farm animals get is absolutely horrendous. Lorrie On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: I think that only one of Cargills slaughter houses uses her methods. And Temple said in one of her books that she felt bad about building something to send animals to their death. But more or less that if it is going to happen, it would help their state of mind. Another reason for this is to benefit humans because the hormones that produce fear in the animals remain in the slaughtered meat.believe me, I don't agree with any kind of slaughter. I don't think we have the right to say what another beings life is here for...I mean to serve us.I find it very egotistical. when people saysomething to me about that's what they're here for, I just tell them that someone forgot to tell the cows that. (I live in Kansas...a lot of cattle people here). I better get off this subject...because it is a big issue with me and I could go on and on..Ok Done!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
On 08-24, Natalie wrote: Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
Maureen, Would you mind responding to Marcia B's thread regarding her 1yr old just diagnosed? You explain things so much better than I do! L - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
There are a lot of questions...and I wouldn't trust that vet as far as I could throw him or her. The type of blindness can be categorized by the appearance of the eyes, and a regular vet can only be unspecific; in order to know exactly why a cat is blind, an ophthalmologist must be seen. Our regular vet could tell that the latest acquired blind cat has been blind for a long time, but since there is nothing visual, the eyes look perfectly normal, the problem must be at the very back of the eye that only a specialist could determine. One of the cats that I just recued in Brooklyn last Sunday, his right eye has a big opaque spot in the middle, and our vet said that it was caused by a viral infection a while back (he's about 3 yrs old), and at least he does have peripheral vision. We also had a FIV+ cat that became blind - her eyes looked quite normal but her pupils were always very large - hers was caused by high blood pressure. Diabetic cats also become blind very often, just like people, if the disease is ignored or undetected. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry - you haven't had much reprieve lately! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:56 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :( We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
I just got here but I want to say I'm so sorry. They know we love them, you can see it in their eyes and the way they come to us for help. Again, I'm sorry. The paragraph at the bottom of you email is so true. I'm sending it to my daughters. Take care Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry *We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary* *than our own,* *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.* *Unable to accept its awful gaps.* *We still would have it no other way* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
Oh Sherry! I'm so sorry! Thanks for sharing the bond the two of you had. I bet he was not as grumpy as he wanted you to think. So glad he had you and it's obvious that he knew you loved him. That's all that matters. Hugs~ - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :( We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they don't like it. I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, senior abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, I say they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure out why. I am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it. D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Why did she take them inside in the firstplace? Maybe she should be orced to sit inside the trailer along with the horses. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one more time when she goes in for spay. Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! I gotta get/read that book. kat ^ ^ == On 8/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Natalie wrote: Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I LOVE STRONG WOMEN!! On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:02 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they don't like it. I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, senior abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, I say they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure out why. I am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it. D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
You didn't have to tell him, he knew by your actions and the sound of your voice. Don't ever second guess yourself and wonder what if or did I. Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
What a great story! See, it's these wonderful experiences we have with cats that make us do it over and over even though sometimes we feel devastated over our losses, we know, I think each and every one of us that we are here to take care of them. I guess I am going to have to read that book too(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one more time when she goes in for spay. Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! I gotta get/read that book. kat ^ ^ == On 8/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Natalie wrote: Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
I definetly would ask more questions. If the vet is not happy with that then maybe it is time to search for one who will welcome your interest in Fletch's health. My vet encourages questions and any input I may have as to treatment. I even introduced him to this group. He monitors the posts and said many good questions re: felv have been brought up by the group. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
How could you nt be hers for life! And to think that if te took her to ASPCA or humane society, she would have been considered un adoptable and put to sleep. Bless that lady for bringing her to you. Now she has a chance at life. Give her a hug for me and give yourself one too, you deserve it. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: What a great story! See, it's these wonderful experiences we have with cats that make us do it over and over even though sometimes we feel devastated over our losses, we know, I think each and every one of us that we are here to take care of them. I guess I am going to have to read that book too(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one more time when she goes in for spay. Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! I gotta get/read that book. kat ^ ^ == On 8/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Natalie wrote: Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
OKAY, the vet gav yu a reason, he is off the hook. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
No wonder he is grouchy, being blind is enough to scare anyone! My Nitnoy is real touchy about being startled and approached from behind because a raccoon chopped her tail down to 3. Things like that tend to make people/cats jumpy and grouchy. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Farm animals
We need people who get on a soapbox to keep the opressors from getting out of hand. We cannot afford to sit by and let cruelty happen. If we do, then someday it will happen to us. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I could join you on your soapbox. I think the cruelty and inhumane treatment farm animals get is absolutely horrendous. Lorrie On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: I think that only one of Cargills slaughter houses uses her methods. And Temple said in one of her books that she felt bad about building something to send animals to their death. But more or less that if it is going to happen, it would help their state of mind. Another reason for this is to benefit humans because the hormones that produce fear in the animals remain in the slaughtered meat.believe me, I don't agree with any kind of slaughter. I don't think we have the right to say what another beings life is here for...I mean to serve us.I find it very egotistical. when people saysomething to me about that's what they're here for, I just tell them that someone forgot to tell the cows that. (I live in Kansas...a lot of cattle people here). I better get off this subject...because it is a big issue with me and I could go on and on..Ok Done!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Get Spicy settled in and be sure your other cats are vaccinated and then you can introduce them to each other. I have 2 fev positive cats and 7 negative cats and no problems. They have been together for over 2 years now. I would like t meet your vet and give him/her a piece of my mind. My vet said get the negatives vacinated and then wait another 2 weeks to be sure and then mix them. It has been over 2 years since Annie tested positive and she is as healthy as the others. April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: Spicy tested positive with the ELISA test on June 11th. She is being re-tested next Wednesday and I'm having the blood sent out this time. With the ELISA test she was a strong positive the vet said. She seems perfectly healthy except one of her eyes does run some days. She doesn't appear sick, she's put on weight, eats really well. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats April, let me ask you this first...has an IFA test been done? This test should always follow a positive ELISA test. The ELISA tests have a reputation for false positives. I will say that she does have a chance of clearing the virus. How long ago was Spicy originally tested? Thanks! Lynda - Original Message - From: April Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I liked that movie, it had alot of good things in it. I would have jumped in fr the calf too and I would have brought it home to. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Sounds good to me! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
SURE IS! Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of D.S.Louis Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ALERT NOTICE: Fake Frontline
That is why I get mine from my vet not some mail order source or online. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NASRNownersupport/message/30471;_ylc=X3oDMTJy YTd1dGM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzYzOTcwODQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjkxNTA0BG1zZ0lk AzMwNDcxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0OTczNTM- Fake Frontline To all cat and dog lovers! A few months ago, a friend noticed a warning at the front counter of her vet's office about counterfeit Frontline. At the time, I didn't give it much thought. Then, another friend forwarded a link about a dog dying from what his vet thinks might be due to toxicity from some fake Frontline. You may or may not already know about this, but I think it is important enough to post the link to the article here: http://www.dailykos .com/story/ 2011/08/12/ 1006303/- EPA-Counterfeit- Pesticide- Products- for-Dogs- and-Cats# comments http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/12/1006303/-EPA-Counterfeit-Pesticide -Products-for-Dogs-and-Cats#comments Very sad story. If you use Frontline, be careful about where you purchase it and examine the package closely. __._,_.___ This electronic message transmission contains information from the Company that may be proprietary, confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the address listed in the From: field. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
RE: NON CAT LOVERS tHANK you for stating it so well. I especially agree with the last part! Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die. The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations! Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed Maureen I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are! Thank you Maureen. Please take care Marcia Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV positive cat. Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she tested negative as a kitten. Anyway, the two lived together for two years until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative. I've got a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so far but they've all been negative. None are vaccinated against FeLV either. It's weird. I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it. I'm glad he didn't of course. One vet I talked to said that it's possible the FeLV kitty put the virus into dormancy as a kitten which is why she tested negative and then
Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry I'm so sorry to hear you lost Mooshu. I know grumpy cats -- and god bless them! They usually have good reason. I'm sure your Mooshu knew you cared, and he purred his gratitude. May you both find peace. Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sherry DeHaan Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :( You didn't have to tell him, he knew by your actions and the sound of your voice. Don't ever second guess yourself and wonder what if or did I. Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
