Re: [Felvtalk] Too little appetite
tI recommend that you take Kitty to the vet right away and find out if there is a reason for inappetance, such as dental/gum irritation. That is really common in FELV or FIV cats. Also, get some appetite stimulant pills such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine (also fights nausea). The longer you wait while the cat eats poorly, the weaker the cat gets. Nothing good comes of that. Good luck. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, Kitty, our little 19 months old FeLV positive cat, has for the past three days been eating less than usual. I have tried all sort of new canned foods but she eats a little bit and then walks away. She will eat maybe 1/3 of what she would normally eat in one meal then walk away sometimes she comes back to it but mostly she will want something else. If I give it to her in a new bowl she might it or not. She has not stopped eating all together but I'm concerned that she is not eating as much as previously. She plays, poops and pees, does not hide, is otherwise her usual adorable self. Has anyone seen these signs before? I don't know if i should take her to the vet or wait. Thanks, Malls and Kitty. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
Seeking advice and best places to shop. In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source for bulk test kits? Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at least for FVRCP. Thanks in advance. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need feline interferon omega very quickly
Look into polyprenyl immunostimulant (PI) from Sass Sass. They have had good results with dry FIP. Much cheaper and faster to get than interferon omega.I don't think you use steroids with it, though. Laurie On Monday, December 23, 2013, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Hi, My name is Michelle and I used to be a regular on this list for several years when I had 6 FeLV+ cats, none of whom, unfortunately, are still with me. At the time, several of us were ordering feline interferon omega and would send it to each other when needed in an emergency. I have an FIV+ cat now who appears to have non-effusive FIP (not definite but many signs pointing there). The only hope of helping that is feline interferon omega given in combination with steroids, and given quickly. I will not be able to get it quickly. Does anyone have it who might be willing to sell me a few doses to get him started while I try to get it? Or to do an exchange like we used to do, sending me a few doses while I order and then I send it back? Michelle L. NJ (used to be MA) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
Just a note on dental extractions... Helping Hands in Richmond is a great surgical/dental specialty clinic. They have pre set prices like $175 for any dental -- no matter what is needed. That includes a full mouth extraction. Meds are included. Blood work is like $45. This is a top quality clinic which I have used many, many times over the last few years. Was just there again 2 weeks ago with one for chin tumor removal and one for dental. Went great.They are against economic euthanasia and have been on Good Morning America etc. At their prices, you can travel a long way and still save a lot of money. They say if you can get here, we will help your pet. Kg On Saturday, December 21, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Read below... On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Hi all, My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time. My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it. It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis. Please help! Jen Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats. Some cats that are quite young have it. I have delt with it and it is difficult to deal with. Vets usually alternate between pred. and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must be removed, which is quite costly. Howvever since you mention this jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not be her teeth at all. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Can oregano oil be used on cats? A friend has two kittens with awful ringworm. So far Program and Vetericyn haven't done much. (Gave her some Vibactra Plus tonite to try boosting the kittens' immune system.) On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional medicine. Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Dec 17, 2013 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might report you for practicing medicine without a license. Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling a legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about anything you're taking, no matter how safe, as some herbal remedies and products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :) All the best, Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
We really love Dr Elsey Precious Cat multi cat litter. Lowest dust of any I've seen plus cats love it. Did side by side testing with numerous other brand incl Swheat and Worlds Best, my cats strongly preferred it. Clumps great. I use giant rubbermaid tubs so few clumps are by the sides making scooping fast and easy. There is a fax in rebate for a free first bag on their website also a 100% usage guarantee. Cant do better than that. Kg On Sunday, November 10, 2013, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Or heartworms. Katherine Kershaw kaths...@gmail.com wrote: May also want to consider pneumonia as a cause for coughing. Xray can determine it. Is it phlegmy sounding? My cat was swallowing, coughing, had a gurgly sounding purr and was diagnosed with a little pneumonia. Cleared up with antibiotics. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They make sifting litter boxes just for the pine litter. you just sift it to the bottom. And, yes, go to the feed store get the equine once you have determined your cats will actually use it. Beth Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow powder after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I get pine pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot of sweeping up after it's used for a while. On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tina - SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it. You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats I like the BB best. I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV? Hi all, I have an FeLV+ kitty. He has been mostly healthy but is currently going through something that is causing a lot of coughing. We have noticed that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental allergies. In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him. Last night I spent a small fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying when we put it in his litter pan. So much for dust-free. Has anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties? I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody has some insight into what might be causing it. The vet wasn't helpful. Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion. Darwin is coughing a lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly. He seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion. There has been no open-mouth breathing. He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to get over that. Now I think he might actually be constipated. When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some. I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers. He has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter box. But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on. Any insight would be so welcome. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
My FIV+ diabetic foster Boo came to me very skinny with the fur licked off his belly and back legs. The vet office where he had been office cat (until his FIV status was discovered) tried steroids, diet changes etc. I transitioned him to balanced homemade raw food. The transition in his case amounted to putting a plate in front of him, and his fur quickly back in thick and plush. He has gained quite a bit weight and looks great now, aside from a chronic weepy eye. For the dermatitis / lesions, I would personally start with Vetericyn VF (vet strength version) in the hydro gel format since that clings better. It kills fungus, bacteria, viruses etc. I've had very good luck with that. That will help in the interim til you can discover the underlying cause. KG On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Lance I had a cat with perseveration licking who removed all the fur under her front leg. No one ever found a root cause and the only thing the vet could think of was a steroid shot. That was 23 years ago! My Martha did not have FeLv that we knew of. She lived to be nearly 21 years old. The steroids helped but did not cure her problem. This doesn't directly answer your question, but I offer it in case it helps. Your obvious care for Ember is so touching. Best of luck. Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi all, My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach. I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month ago. I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
I am sorry to say wet FIP is another possible cause of fluid in the chest. There is no definitive test but there are suggestive bloodwork results, also if fluid can be tapped off, it can be examined. FIP fluid is typically yellowish and sticky. A Rivalta test can also be done on the fluid. there is no cure or effective treatment for wet FIP, although the slower moving dry FIP form has been successfully treated with polyprenyl immunostimulant (PI). Neither form is contagious, as FIP is believed to arise independently when a cat infected with the common and otherwise mild coronavirus has the virus mutate for unknown reasons. FELV+ cats are apparently more susceptible to the mutations and thus FIP. I lost my 7 month old FELV+ Smokey to abdominal wet FIP in a matter of days, just as he was beating a bad URI with help of interferon omega and PI. The swelling made him very uncomfortable so we let him go. Laurie On Saturday, August 10, 2013, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want to loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
Also check the local pounds - ours has certain foods they prefer to use for a consistent diet (less tummy trouble). The other donated foods are often re-donated to feral feeders who agree to participate in TNR. KG On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Another thought, our small rescue group in NC will get food donations from the public sometimes, and we usually give some of it to people in the community that need help. Maybe she could check with some of the local larger rescue groups in her area to see if they might have extra food? They might not publicize it, we don't. Shelley On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Beth wrote: In Atlanta we have pet food pantries. You have to be income qualified. There may be something near her for that. Sometimes rescues also get good at a discount will sell to colony feeders. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer I CAN'T HELP, UP TO MY EARS $PROBLEMS, but I have heard that sometimes Petsmart and oher pet stores offer outdated pet foods at reduced or for free. Wouldn't hurt to look into it. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and out to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I am regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental work. So there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who actually are doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone help Karen with a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store? That way she could save some of her hard earned money to make a down payment on something that she can drive to work and to her cat colonies every day, like she used to. She had just paid off the car she had when the transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning either and the windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the transmission went belly up. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] anemia treatments?
What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats? I don't have money for transfusions. Will price LTCI this morning. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
It's food grade DE. It is perfectly safe to consume - cats, dogs, horses, people, etc.. It's usually mixed with wet food or water. It works by microscopically scratching the bugs//worms which then dessicate. See http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.html or just google. Sounds like some can have reaction to breathing it, so extra care to avoid stirring it into the air is.needed. I wonder if the mask could stop the tiny particles. I haven't ever needed to use it indoors but I appreciate the cautionary tale shared. On Monday, July 1, 2013, C PQ c...@hotmail.com wrote: I know someone that FEEDS it to her cats. That can't be good after hearing your experience. If it's a desiccant, then I would think it might cause internal damage. Anyone know anything about that? - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:50:19 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning I was really thinking of using it in the yard and on the deck and seeing how that worked. So far last year and this year we have had NO FLEA OR TICK PROBLEMS. The cats only go out on the deck, except Harley. He goes into the woods, but has only had 2 ticks and no sign of fleas. KNOCK ON WOOD. nOW IF THERE WAS A SOLUTION FOR BUFFALO GNATS. They raise huge welts on me and so I spend most of my time indoors until they are gone. They usually disappear when it starts getting hot. janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am sorry, I haven't been following this thread but caught the diatomaceous warning. Hoping they still make this, but 1-800-flea busters out of FL. is my favorite product to use. It's a little work, but I think I was over zealous the first year. Third yr I used it, I was not so diligent, but it worked just fine. It is safe, and it lasts a year and that's the real bonus. Takes a few weeks to work, but it really does. Janine From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning Very scary Beth, Thanks for the warning. On 07-01, Beth wrote: I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a quick warnng to be careful I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to stop the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots of crevices for the flea eggs to hide in. I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened the windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out). I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom hallway. If did not create any visible dust clouds, etc. I went outside, took the mask off sat for a bit. When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately became parched my throat started closing. I grabbed some water went back outside. I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors trying to get rid of the stuff. Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young person. I don't have breathing issues. This was quite scary. In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin it just burned. Again, yes, this was the food grade kind. I know people on this list use it have no problems. That's great. But if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a very small area, first. I guess I will go back to vacuuming flea combing. I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to be my dog bringing them in from outside. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] (no subject)
The cat has only been lost a month - please do not give up! Odds are he has not gone far. I found my Lee after 3.5 months lost. I helped a rescue find a young kitten lost on the side of a road by acres and acres of woods with most saying she would have been eaten by coyotes ... But we got her back safe after a month, and saved another kitten to boot. My favorite quote from the various lost pet sites... The cat's job is to survive; your job is to find the cat! Do not give up, do not listen to pessimists. Keep checking the shelters and vets, keep putting up posters, etc. Kg On Tuesday, July 2, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post. Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat? I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have several. Where are you located. Lorrie On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote: Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] diatomaceous earth
Must use food grade! The food grade can be fed, mixed on wet canned food. Although it feels silky like baby powder, it is actually made of tiny spiky ball shaped shlls which scratch and dehydrate. It works mechanically so pests can't develop immunity. Kills internal worms when eaten in canned food (good for kittens, ferals, or in/out cats), and can use topically or environmentally... can be used against fleas, ants, roaches etc. Can be sprinkled in feral cat straw bedding in their shelters. Can be rubbed directly into fur. Can be used in carpeting, furniture, corners, cracks, etc if vacuumed up after a while. I have heard to leave it a day or two. Just don't breathe it in, again like baby powder - avoid making clouds while sprinkling. Some say you can use it in the yard but I wouldn't advise that due to all the unintended victims. if bugs are getting in, can put DE around foundation, just reapply after rain. My friends had ants really bad and DE took care of it quickly. Get it cheap at local farm supply. I paid $20 for 50 lbs of food grade, enough for years. Kg On Thursday, June 13, 2013, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For fleas in your house you might want to use FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth. Be sure it's the food grade, not the other type because the non-food grade can get into the lungs and cause all sorts of problems. I had a major flea infestation in my outside enclosure shed which is home to ten cats who are inappropriate for house living. My friend gave me a bag of food grade diatomaceous earth which I spread on the floor of the shed and swept it on in a very thin layer. I closed the shed door for that day and night (good weather so the cats could be in their outside completely escape proof area. The next day, when I went into the shed and then stepped outside, there were no nasty black little specks hopping on my pants leg. Nothing. The fleas were gone. It was then easier for the Frontline Plus I use on the cats to do its thing. I even treated part of their yard with the stuff with excellent results and no harmful chemicals. The food grade diatomaceous earth is used as a supplement in feed for cows, horses and dogs so even if the cats lick it off their fur, it will do no harm. It's a calcium supplement. It's excellent for treating carpets and if you don't mind a grey sheen on your lino or wood floors, it's good for that also. For floors, sweep it around the woodwork along the walls and down into crevices where the lino doesn't fit so well against the wall, if you have that problem. It's great for dark closets and behind appliances, even for treating sofas and futons, if you vacuum it out after a few hours. Diatomaceous earth works on the principle of dehydrating the soft underside of the flea. What you end up with is a dead, dehydrated flea. It works on any insect that has a soft underside. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you.. --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list. Best wishes to you and Bubba, Lance On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline
Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat
Thanks for reaching out in your desperation to help your mom's kitty. Sorry you lost your mom, btw. In my opinion, this cat has to get to the vet, even if only for euthanasia. It would be great to do exam/bloodwork first though, if finances allow -- just in case it's easily treatable. Euthanasia would be better than slow starvation. If she is shy of the standard box trap, then a drop trap is awesome. See http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=products.viewproduct_id=30250 for full kit with trap and transfer cage. They can be made, too, if you are handy. I'm totally not, so I bought the drop trap and it is great for trap-shy cats. Failing that, what about asking the vet about some kind of sedative like acepromazine? This could be fed via pill pocket or perhaps crushed in her food. (I've never crushed it, not sure if it's bitter... PP have always worked for me.) This med would make her calmer, more sleepy, and possibly slow enough where you could very slowly herd her into a trap. Having a friend with a large sheet of cardboard could really help. A large door dog wire crate is great for housing feral cats during treatment. Ask a friend with a big dog, if you can borrow their crate. You can put the trap right inside the crate and work completely hands-off, especially if the trap has a guillotine door. If not, it's just a little more difficult but not impossible. I recommend the setup as seen at http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FOSTERING_A_FERAL_CAT_SAFELY , with the exception that the trap/carrier door should face AWAY from the crate door opening, with maybe 6 at most between the trap door and the back wall of the wire crate. That way, if you have to work with the cat without it being secured in the closed trap/carrier, the cat has to come out, turn around and then head for the door -- that buys you extra time to react. Bungee cords are great for holding the trap/carrier door open - you can hook the door and pull it up from external to the crate. A second bungee can hold the trap in palce. An extended wire coat hanger can help grab the trap door handle too. . For a litter box, I recommend getting a $3 kitchen dish wash tub. The high sides will keep litter from going everywhere, and it's easy to clean. I like the 18 liter size tub ( http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-18-Qt-Dishpan-White/17011369 ) but I typically use 42-48 double door wire dog crates. Just so much easier to fit everything in, and to work in. If she is diabetic, getting her on low carb wet food (no more dry kibble ever) will in all likelihood put her into remission within a week or two. Especially if she can get insulin shots for a week or two, but even if not, the symptoms should drop dramatically with low carb wet food. I can advise more on this separately, having worked with diabetics since 2007. If the cat is hyperthyroid, surgery could be a great option. It is usually a cure. The vet at Helping Hands in Richmond is extremely experienced and will do the surgery for around $500 including bloodwork and everything else. I just had it done for one of my old girls and she is gaining weight beautifully. It was 1/3 the cost of radiation treatment. You could make an insulated bed for pretty cheap. A roll of reflectix can be bought at your local hardware store. It is a thin flexible silvery insulation that reflects back 95% of body heat. Add some straw for nesting material, and then the Snuggle safe would make it awesomely warm. Where are you located? (town name or something nonspecific like, 45 min north-west of whatever city) KG On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I really appreciate the information about getting her to the vets and would if it was an option. I have live traps etc. Once this crew is trapped, they are rarely trapped again. She can't be handled nor can the others. It is my hope to trap them one final time and relocate them to my farm. They live at my Mom's and she died. Her house will be sold. I have examined all the trap/vet possibilities. Honest. Consider that there will be no way of treating her for diabetes or even thyroid issues over any period of time unless she is imprisoned at the vets for the rest of her life. I will check the Neutro Ved for her food. Sometimes I can get supplements into her food and other times I can't. These guys are very wild. Think of this in terms of treating a possum or coon that lives near you. And yes, she is very loved but she is very wild too. On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or more than normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could also account for the fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking and dry? If she can be trapped, she would need a thyroid profile (T-3 and T-4) and a glucose test for diabetes. She may have the equivalent of human pernicious anemia or chronic anemia so
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.comwrote: Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? Thank you so much again! El -- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis. To address the underlying issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is specifically for FELV+ cats. Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another excellent treatment for FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+ cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf life). http://tcyte.com/ltci-product-info-feline-leukemia/ Epogen is a drug that can be used to stimulate red blood cell production, but it is a serious medicine not to be given lightly. But I would try it alongside the interferon alfa and LTCI in a desperate anemia situation, if I had the money. More info at http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.shtml BTW I had a very anemic cat (FELV-) and they didn't know why he was sick despite all kinds of tests. Out of desperation we gave him the doxy, and he responded very quickly. So they figured he had hemobartonella. He recovered and is still fine, years later. KG On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Marnie - So sorry your baby is sick. The Doxy is in the hopes it is hemobartonella that is causing the problem. This can be a little difficult to diagnose, so vets usually give the Doxy just in case, but it works pretty quickly if that's what it is. I had a non-FeLV cat with hemobartonella he started showing improvement within 2 days of the blood transfusion Doxy. Non-regenerative anemia of unknown origin is pretty common in FeLV cats. Most of my FeLV's have died from this. I would have to agree with your vet, unfortunately. So sorry you are having to go through this. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
It's a very interesting article/study. I think they are not advocating that pets go unspayed but rather there be further study of spay where only the uterus is removed. But in addition to risks like mammary cancer, I worry about spayed pets in heat and their hormonally driven efforts to escape the house to mate. How many pets are lost, injured and killed that way? How many pet owners will be upset by the pet's behaviors and possible mess while the pet keeps cycling in heat? It is a multi-faceted issue that I hope gets more research. Kg On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this information will be useful to other folks on this list, then, since Felv shortens lifespan in general. Dogs are more likely to get both mammary cancer and pyometra than are cats, and ovary retention seems to override this, along with their heat stresses.However, cats are polyestrous (go into heat several times a year) whereas dogs are diestrous (two heat cycles a year), so cats have more heat stresses, which may or may not override the ovary-retention effect. Note that breeders use various methods of getting cats they don't want pregnant out of heat, so perhaps one could sufficiently reduce the stress to that of a dog's. I've heard of cats living to over 30, and since this study looks at the outliers for what's possible, we might look at 30+ years as an upper bound for cat longevity, at least non-Felv+ ones. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not going to start an argument over one study. Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The spay was easy she recovered quickly. My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all spayed. Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. Cats ( dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from not being spayed.. There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third longer?There's more to the overall story than just local stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html American vet schools do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty. Hope all goes well. Beth Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December. Should we retest first and then spay? Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ? Any suggestions are welcome Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ
If chemotherapy is an option, you could try one dose on the Wisconsin-Madison protocol. my diabetic Danny was dx with lymphoma in his liver, intestines and liver - very fast moving. he was given very poor prognosis, maybe 10% of making a couple months, and could easily die from the chemo since he was so debilitated from the time it took to get a diagnosis. honestly I only tried because it was my sons cat and he begged for one more chance for Danny to fight (he had beaten several life threatening illnesses before). Well don't you know that chemo stomped the crap out of that cancer and literally the day after the chemo, Danny was like a new cat and came home and ate like crazy... this was the day I thought I would be letting him go. I was actually furious with the ER vet because I called and was told he could come home and I thought they didn't even know which horribly sick cat was mine. That was 5.5 years who and Danny is still cancer free. (He did complete the 26 week protocol) The point is, sometimes you get lucky. One dose of chemo will let you know if chemo is going to work, statistically. Those that respond well to the first dose tend to do very well; those that don't respond, don't do well. So you could stop after the first chemo if it didn't help. Another thing to try either way is agaricus blazei from Atlasworldusa.com. this is given to all cancer patients by Dr Alice villalobos who is one of the nations top feline cancer specialists (Google villalobos immunonutrition). It is low cost and Danny's weekly bloodwork proved without a doubt that it greatly increased his white blood cell count during chemo. By the way do not let the liver damage overly scare you. The liver can heal itself, regenerate. Denamarin works great. Danny's went from very damaged per bloodwork to normal in a month. Best wishes whatever you decide. Kg From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
You can definitely get waiver for some medical issues or immunodeficiency. For rabies, if you can't get a waiver, insist on the purevax brand which is non-adjuvanted. It has less irritating ingredients, making it far less likely to cause cancer etc. kg On Saturday, October 6, 2012, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___it costs more but would be very wise Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DNR order - OT
Some, especially the elderly or very ill, may wish to look into the DNR bracelets. My grandmother's nursing home mislaid her file so at the critical moment, they could not show her DNR to the paramedics -- so she was forced through a lot of intrusive procedures that she absolutely did not want. The family was horrorstruck as well to know that her wishes were not honored. The bracelets can help prevent similar events. On 9/26/12, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, MaiMaiPG wrote: With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. Thanks, I'll do that. I didn't realize a DNR order was a separate thing from a LW with a medical POA. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
just look at the science diet ingredients then look up what an obligate carnivore should eat. science diet is a huge scam. over on diabetes groups, it's often called science death for its horribly inappropriate high carb crap ingredients. Check WWW.catinfo.org to see what a cat should eat. hint: not dehydrating dry food, especially for males or any cat with urinary tract problems. On Friday, August 31, 2012, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because they didn’t want to eat it. Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help the cats. It’s disgusting! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition I absolutely detest Science Diet. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] stomatitis protocol
I would really like to get the stomatitis protocol. I have 2 FELV+ with it. thanks On 8/23/12, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, would you like me to send you my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats (not Felv+, though), one of which had it so bad that blood spurted out his mouth whenever he opened it. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner
I'm surprised no one has mentioned an appetite stimulant such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine. These are awesome tools to help keep a cat eating the top quality foods it needs to rebuild its body. Also don't be afraid of an early feeding tube --if-- the cat's prognosis on the other side of the illness is good. Even with a FELV cat, some illnesses are not a sign that the cat is nearing the end. But adding slow starvation on top of illness is a path to disaster. And a feeding tube can be put in (just takes a few minutes... relatively minor surgery... anesthetia is very short) for $125 at helping hands clinic in Richmond, if u are anywhere near... awesome inexpensive clinic profiled on Good Morning America, etc. Good luck, Laurie Laurie On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Anna, you've already gotten some good advice. Anemia will make her feel rotten. Treating that with nutrived could help her feel better. Or try Pet-Tinic but also give her some folic acid. I've given anemic kitties NutriVed, folic acid, Super B complex and B-12. Be sure to follow up any med with a syringe of food or water. Make sure she is eating enough food to maintain her body wt. That may mean assist feeding. There is a great yahoo group to help. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ You can try some gently warmed meat baby food (no onions or garlic). It is easy to syringe feed. You can check to see if she is dehydrated by checking her gums. If they are slick she is OK. If they are tacky she is dehydrated. That will also make her feel lousy. You can give sub q fluids at home. I buy the fluids by the case from my local pharmacy. The IX sets and Terumo ultra thin wall needles are available on line. Here are some links that will help Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Go here for info on sub q fluid supplies http://www.zzcat.com/CRF/supplies/index.html Hiding doesn't man this is the end. Just that Sylvia isn't feeling well. Do try to get some food into here. Sharyl From: Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:25 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner Dear all, I've been a member of this list since 2009, when Sylvia, the older of my two (strictly indoor-only) cats, was first diagnosed with FLV (she'd tested negative twice as a kitten, then at just over a year old came up positive on both the snap and IFA tests). We have a great vet, and she's been a happy, healthy, fat, and sassy calico cat for most of her life. I haven't been very active on this list in the last year or so because Sylvia has been so healthy, apart from a case of gingivitis that our vet and I were monitoring carefully. She's about four years old now, and was originally a stray kitten in an urban area. I adopted her from an ASPCA in New Jersey. The vet thinks she got the virus from her mama and it was dormant in her system until the stress of moving from NJ to MA caused it to turn active. Unfortunately, her run of good health seems to be over. Toward the end of March, she started having diarrhea and seemed lethargic, so I took her to the vet, who said she didn't have a fever, but gave her a shot of systemic antibiotics and some subcutaneous fluids anyway. Her energy levels rose and the diarrhea resolved itself. However, Sylvia's energy levels took a nosedive again this past week, and she's been totally lethargic. She started hiding in my roommate's closet and spent an entire night in there on Wednesday. She's been refusing to play with my other cat, Beatrice, and hissed last time Beatrice tried to convince her to play chase (not normal at all-- these two have always been good buddies and playmates). Yesterday, we went back to the vet. This time, she did have a high fever (105) and the vet did blood work, which showed anemia and a high white blood cell count. The vet said all signs point to infection and suggested antibiotics and fluids, but she also wanted to do x-rays to check for tumors...then she also said that even if a tumor showed itself, there would be no treatment options and we'd have to discuss euthanasia. I opted against the x-rays as I'm on a limited budget and couldn't really see the point if the tests wouldn't lead to treatment. We decided to do another round of the injected systemic antibiotics and sub-Q fluids, and the vet also gave me an oral antibiotic to dose Sylvia with once a day. I'm going to purchase a thermometer so I can monitor her temperature daily, as well. I'm under strict instructions to bring her back in if her temp rises or stays where it is. We go back on Wednesday for another round of blood work, to see if the anemia and white blood cell count are improving or getting worse. I'm a mess. I'm so worried; I broke down crying in the vet's office yesterday before the vet even came in to see Sylvia. And poor Sylvia has been hiding under my
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
Ask about an appetite stimulant such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine. I have had feeding tubes put in several times and would never hesitate to get another. Helping Hands in Richmond Va is an awesome low cost surgery, and a feeding tube is only $125 total. One thing to watch out for with hepatic lipidosis is refeeding injury... it can cause major problems! On Thursday, March 22, 2012, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: I agree that this kitty needs to be looked at for lipidosis. My Luc had a bout with this several years ago – he had stopped eating and we didn’t immediately notice, never did find out the reason although the vet suspected a touch of pancreatitis. We had a feeding port implanted in his esophagus, a couple inches from his ear. It didn’t bother him too much, and we were able to feed him watered-down and blundered A-D. Within 2 weeks his appetite was back on track. First he wanted to lap up the A-D goo, and then he started eating on his own again. We had to leave the port in for a while because the surrounding hole had to heal before it could be taken out. Anyway, he made a complete recovery. It cost us quite a bit since the emergency vet in the area was the only one who could put in the port, and Luc had a bad reaction to the anesthetic and had to stay the night there – that by itself was $600 – but it was money well spent to save our guy. He was 13 at the time (and FeLV-). Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice Importance: High It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and antibiotics are required! I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where they wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into stomach to which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small amounts all day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any of the two. I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe. Within 2 weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete recovery. Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only about 1 ½ - 2 yrs old. She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found the one and only food that she will eat. BTW, her prognosis was grim, and the vets were really surprised how I got her well in such a short time! The poor girl was through a lot, had a litter in the streets (only 2 survived), and we got her when she was already pregnant with second litter – too late to abort. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one has developed jaundice. He has lost a ton of weight also. The last couple of days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic. Anyone had experience with this? Anything that can be done or is this the end for him? Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon strength and source
Hi, I have rescued several cats that are FELV or FIV+. My vet is willing to prescribe interferon but she never had anyone use it before and she doesn't doesn't know what strength to prescribe? Please let me know a good place to order it from, too. I need the largest size bottle, I guess, since I have multiple pos kitties. Is the interferon ready to use or do I have to dilute it? If so where can I fond out how to do that? What is the recommended dose? Is it weight dependent? I already feed home made raw supplemented with platinum performance. Thanks!! Laurie - Original Message - From: Vicky Eyal To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] When to start treatment? I was just wondering when the best time to start treatment for FeLV is? While the cat is still healthy or best to wait until he/she is visibly sick? Also, which of the treatments mentioned on the site would you recommend? I am leaning towards Interferon, just because there seems to be more anecdotal evidence around for that - thoughts? Are your cats on multi-vitimins or anything to boost/support the immune system? Thanks so much, V xx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
Hi, can you tell me more about the salve and tonic. My FELV- cat Venture just had his foreleg amputated yesterday due to a fast growing tumor (biopsy pending). He has stage 2 CRF. Thanks. Laurie On Tuesday, February 7, 2012, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I'll let Natalie talk to you about this since she has the most experience. It's not something you can get off the shelf in a store. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:01:30 -0600 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey CC: molvey...@hotmail.com What is the name of the salve and tonic? Would like to have some on hand just in case. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From my limited amount of experience with this black salve and tonic, I would recommend it. I wouldn't hesitate to try it again on any of my animals that had cancer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:42:29 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be interested in a black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles that the vet may not have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you would have to join a group where you would get advice from people who have used it and lots of moral support, too. It is for people and animals…there’s also an herbal tonic for cancer, you get the herbs, brew up the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS! In cases after surgery, the salve would be able to reach the interior through the incisions.Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey Cindy - So sorry to hear about Smokey. I have a friend who had this with her dog. She had the 1st tumor removed, but it kept spreading. She just kept him going as long as he was still happy not suffering.Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living this long with this awful virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: cindy reasoner reasoner37...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey It has been a very long time since I have posted anything. I first found this site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia. He had a hard time at the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under control. He has gone over 6 years with no problems or sickness. The other day I felt a very large knot on his left front leg. I took him to the vet to get it checked out. He thought it was probably cancer. He removed it today but he couldn't get all of it. He described it as having tenticles going in all different directions. He is sending it off to be sure it is cancer and what type. I have never dealt with this before and Smokey's outlook seems pretty grave. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
