Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
That is awesome Animals are so resilient! On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I was there. I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her head. No problem. Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still. She moved closer, then nudged my hand. I stroked her cheek and she moved her head around in obvious pleasure. I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days! I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you? I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel pressured. But what a little sweetheart. It pains me to think of how horribly humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. Bless her! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant apartment. Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat. They took Peaches to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed. I don't know why the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first. They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore. That's how Peaches came to live here. I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and give Nibbles vaccinations. I'll let you know what the vet says. Thanks for all your help!! It has been hard to get information about what to do. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be effective. It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would. I would keep her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all current! Your a good momma to be cautious. I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on this forum, but we are not experts :) Keep us posted. Thanks, L - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats. Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations. I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm. Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there. Here's the situation: *Peaches* (New Cat) Age: 4.5 yr Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before vaccination. Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st 2nd feline leukemia in 2009. She also had a vaccination in 2010 I have 3 other cats: All cats will stay indoors! *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old) Age: 2.5 Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
Ah, Christiane, you beat me to the punch! On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: Vet is confusing FIV and FELV vaccines. Cats test pos for FIV after being vaccinated for FIV but do NOT test pos for FELV after FELV vaccination. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:38 PM To: Katy Doyle Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would test positive because she's had the FeLV vaccination. I think I will call the vet that Peaches former owners took her to ask them to test Peaches. Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they say. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant apartment. Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat. They took Peaches to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed. I don't know why the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first. They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore. That's how Peaches came to live here. I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and give Nibbles vaccinations. I'll let you know what the vet says. Thanks for all your help!! It has been hard to get information about what to do. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be effective. It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would. I would keep her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all current! Your a good momma to be cautious. I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on this forum, but we are not experts :) Keep us posted. Thanks, L - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats. Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations. I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm. Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there. Here's the situation: *Peaches* (New Cat) Age: 4.5 yr Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before vaccination. Peaches
Re: [Felvtalk] FDA fooling with supplements and foods
I'm not rich enough to fund a campaign... and I don't enjoy sucking up to the people that have the money to fund me. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Just had an idea. Why don't we run for office! Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I bet we could build a big soap box - I have a feeling there are more like us out theresomebody's got to protect what we eat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FDA fooling with supplements and foods Natalie, I hope everyone in the group appreciates this off topic information as much as I do. I agree with you 100% on all of this. You and I could both spend a lot of time up on our soap box. Thanks.. Lorrie On 07-26, Natalie wrote: Dear Reader, Let go of that stem and back away from the cherry. It's for your own good. You see, that cherry is officially an unapproved drug, at least according to the Einsteins at the FDA. Obviously, that makes no sense. But it lead me to ask: If cherries are unapproved drugs, what does that make potato chips? Also compliments of the geniuses at the Food and Drug Administration: Heart healthy, of course! Fortunately, there may be a way out of this government-inflicted insanity. --- Over-the-counter cherries --- Cherries contain antioxidants and other anti-inflammatory components. The scientific evidence behind that statement is irrefutable. But when owners of cherry orchards made those claims and backed them up with links to the evidence, the FDA ruled that the claims cause your products to be drugs. Needless to say, none of the orchard owners had submitted their cherries for approval as drugs, so they were not allowed to continue the claims. Crazy? Oh...we're just getting started. Last year, Dannon settled a dispute with the FDA by paying out $21 million to several states where they had advertised their Activia yogurt and DanActive dairy drink. In those ads they said the products, help regulate your digestive system...naturally. That claim is based on what we know about the benefits of living cultures in probiotics. But the FDA decided that Dannon was actually claiming that Activia provided consumers with bowel movements at fixed, uniform or normal intervals. Clearly, that was not the case, but the agency's absurd decision ended up costing Dannon millions. And FDA officials were just as picky and difficult when it came to walnuts. They told walnut distributer Diamond Foods that multiple studies showing heart health benefits of walnuts were not sufficient to allow such claims on the Diamond Foods website. Again, the FDA ruled that the health claims classified walnuts as drugs. Now...if all that seems completely bat-house crazy, brace yourself -- seriously -- because here's what the FDA allows Frito-Lay to say about their products... You might be surprised at how much good stuff goes into your favorite snack. Good stuff like potatoes, which naturally contain vitamin C and essential minerals. Or corn, one of the world's most popular grains, packed with thiamin, vitamin B6, and phosphorous -- all necessary for healthy bones, teeth, nerves and muscles. Potatoes and corn -- two of the WORST foods you can eat, even before the processing begins! But wait -- there's more... Our all-natural sunflower, corn and soybean oils contain good polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats, which help lower total and LDL 'bad' cholesterol and maintain HDL 'good' cholesterol levels, which can support a healthy heart. So you CAN'T say cherries provide antioxidants that benefit health, but you CAN clearly tell customers that corn chips help keep bones healthy and potato chips cooked in soybean oil can support a healthy heart. That is true lunacy! In any rational world we'd be able to storm FDA headquarters and take them all away in straitjackets. As I said earlier, there may be a way out of this government-inflicted insanity. But to do it, we have to go through the government. Two members of Congress recently introduced the Free Speech about Science Act that will require the FDA to let food producers and supplement makers state health claims when they're backed up by sound, science-based evidence. You can help this important effort by contacting your representatives and senators through Thomas, a Library of Congress website ( www.thomas.loc.gov ). Let your Congressmen know
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
Wow... You know, the dusty clay litter gives me asthma attacks, I'm ashamed that I never thought of how it would affect my cats. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration
[Felvtalk] Adding a negative to my positives.
My mom has to get rid of her one year old cat, I am going to take her. She is probably a month behind on her vaccination. If we vaccinate her tomorrow, how long should we wait to bring her over to my house? Thanks, Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty
My cats love Blue Buffalo - when my cats eat food with fillers (soy specifically) they vomit. Best of luck! Katy On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:43 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Try Blue Buffalo, I have my cats on it and my 2 felv pos girls are looking great. It doesn't upset their stomachs and they really love the duck flavor. No corn, soy or wheat in it. Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: Eukanaba MaxCat would be even better. It has way more calories than A/D. On 6/25/2011 10:02 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: You're doing a great job! Hang in there!! Get some Science Diet A/D for him on Monday, it will have all the fat and taurine he needs. Thoughts and prayers to you both! Lynda - Original Message - From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty Sara, Thanks, he is one of my original cats That was exposed ot FeLV. He tested neg got vacinated once after. Last exposure was in 2008 when Junior passed away. I do not think he is positive, but there is that chance. He also has one eye dilated more than the other. He does seem aware. I got abourt half the baby food in him. I may try more before bedtime. He wet himself in the carrier and will not be able to use a litterbox right now. I hope he will stay on the towels he climbed out of a box, so I gave up that on idea. The other cats have left him alone. He was the alpha kitty and like to chnce them. SAlly On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.comwrote: Keeping you in my prayers, Sally. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty they ruled that out. He is home but not doing well. They think he had a mini stroke. Sally On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I was just thinking, could Bitty possibly have a blood clot where the veins go into each hind leg? Not being able to move, crying sounds very much what I have experienced several times. All except once, was the cat euthanized. Why? Because I took the cats to an emergency clinic (evenings, weekends). The last cat that had a blood clot, was taken to our vet who treated the clot to dissolve - the cat, Corgi, has a limp in one of the hind legs as a result. Some cats are in pain from such a blood clot, others are not. Corgi was a feral cat - I found him one morning not being able to move, trying to get away with his front legs. I cornered him, threw a towel over him and the rest is history. Because I head to treat him, he is the sweetest cat, all the cats absolutely love him, snuggle with him, almost consider him their parent.he washes them all and they reciprocate. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bitty SallyI am so sorry to hear about Bitty. My prayers are with you . Sara --Original Mail-- From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:16:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo is missing Melinda I will be praying for VooDoo's return. My ittle Bitty is at the Vet now because I found him unable to move and crying. He may not make it through the night. Possble stroke, nuerological issue they did lots of tests. He is not in pain but his mind is not here either. Please pray for my lover boy he is 12. Thanks all On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: Hello all, It is with a very heavy heart that I am asking for some positive energy from this group! My son's friend left a door open last night and my little VooDoo escaped. He is terrified of being outdoors and all attempts to capture him only scared him more! We live on a military base and there are no wild animals to worry about and the speed limit on base is extremely slow. My greatest concern is that around 2:00am, he tried to come home and we absolutely scared him to death trying to get him to bring him inside. (He hasn't been out since he came to us as a five week old kitten) I'm worried that he might be afraid to come home. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
Cathy, I rescued my cat, Buddy, from a thicket behind a parking lot when he was 5 weeks old. I took him to the vet the day after I rescued him and he tested positive. Well, the vet told me to euthanize him - I did not like that at all. So as Buddy was clutching my shirt, I yelled at the vet YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KILL MY KITTEN!!! And ran crying from the office. Dramatic, sure, but I think it made my point - and I hope the vet was more tactful with pet parents after that. I had him retested a couple of months later, got second opinions, and now Buddy is 2 years old and VERY healthy. I found a new vet that is great with my cats, euthanasia shouldn't ever be the first option. Good luck! Katy On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Cathy, you have already gotten some good advise. I've rescued several FeLV kittens and treasured the time I had with them. They enjoyed 1 to 4+ years of being pampered and loved. I mixed my positives and negatives but my negatives were all adult cats and current on their FeLV vaccine. You can do so much to make whatever time Cali has a joy to both of you. I would get Sasha tested and vaccinated if she hasn't been already. I am disturbed that Petco is adopting out kittens that have not been tested for FeLV or FIV. I also do TNR and rescue kittens. I test all the rescued kittens before offering them for adoption. Give Cali a hug from me. Sharyl From: ckess...@cox.net ckess...@cox.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been little, but playful and happy until last week. They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who get it - die. Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself, so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and she is very healthy. The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength to put her to sleep. She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying. Cathy Kessel (858) 361-8972 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
My new vet cracked me up when I took Chloe in for her yearly shots. He said, Chloe is a little overweight, but since she has feline leukemia, I don't really mind. Usually, cats with feline leukemia are under weight. Not my cat!!! It just made me smile :-) ---Katy On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Good for you Katy and I don't trust any vet whose first option is kill the kitten :( Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:31 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten Cathy, I rescued my cat, Buddy, from a thicket behind a parking lot when he was 5 weeks old. I took him to the vet the day after I rescued him and he tested positive. Well, the vet told me to euthanize him - I did not like that at all. So as Buddy was clutching my shirt, I yelled at the vet YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KILL MY KITTEN!!! And ran crying from the office. Dramatic, sure, but I think it made my point - and I hope the vet was more tactful with pet parents after that. I had him retested a couple of months later, got second opinions, and now Buddy is 2 years old and VERY healthy. I found a new vet that is great with my cats, euthanasia shouldn't ever be the first option. Good luck! Katy On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Cathy, you have already gotten some good advise. I've rescued several FeLV kittens and treasured the time I had with them. They enjoyed 1 to 4+ years of being pampered and loved. I mixed my positives and negatives but my negatives were all adult cats and current on their FeLV vaccine. You can do so much to make whatever time Cali has a joy to both of you. I would get Sasha tested and vaccinated if she hasn't been already. I am disturbed that Petco is adopting out kittens that have not been tested for FeLV or FIV. I also do TNR and rescue kittens. I test all the rescued kittens before offering them for adoption. Give Cali a hug from me. Sharyl From: ckess...@cox.net ckess...@cox.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been little, but playful and happy until last week. They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who get it - die. Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself, so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and she is very healthy. The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength to put her to sleep. She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying. Cathy Kessel (858) 361-8972 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+ cats using it. As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When I bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas. I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My favorite is Pine Sol. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but I have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies that won't harm him. He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of his own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes. Photos gladly provided to anyone interested. Cindy __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat (chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
How do you feed the cats CoQ10 and how much? On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I assume that she is FeLV+? I took my two FeLV+ boyz to the vet on Monday for IFA test - we are ecstatic (so was the vet)that their gums and teeth are in excellent shape, especially since they are FeLV+ and over 4 yrs old. I believe it's because we give all FIV/FeLV cats in this household nothing but regular food, CoQ10, some Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar in water, and Nickers Biocoat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat (chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
If you drink Apple Cider Vinegar (1 tsp in your water) every day it helps keep mosquitos off of you! On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I just wrote about CoQ10 dosage. Apple cider vinegar, start with a drop or two in water, slowly build up to more over time. AC Vinegar is a miracle food! I hate plain water, so I always put a dash of ACV into the bottle - great thirst quencher and great for arthritis and so much more -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor How much CoQ10 vitamin C re the latter in what form? And how much apple cider vinegar in water? On 6/8/2011 12:19 PM, Natalie wrote: I assume that she is FeLV+? I took my two FeLV+ boyz to the vet on Monday for IFA test - we are ecstatic (so was the vet)that their gums and teeth are in excellent shape, especially since they are FeLV+ and over 4 yrs old. I believe it's because we give all FIV/FeLV cats in this household nothing but regular food, CoQ10, some Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar in water, and Nickers Biocoat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat (chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS
Oh shooo, you totally made me cry, I can only image what you've had to go through right now. I'm still new to the disease, so I haven't gone through the whole cycle yet. This forum has taught me to value my time with all my animals because we don't know how long it will be. Andi, I am sorry for your loss, it is always a tough decision to put down an animal. In the end, you know when it is time for your animal. I know you gave that kitty the best life she could have lived. I think it takes a special person to want to help these cats. You are all angels! Katy Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Andy Domek oxjake...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those of you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie. We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest things I've had to do. It was also the right thing to do. Her anemia caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting to involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter box, and could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around our patio. She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but ultimately FELV took her from me. We tried everything short of a transfusion, and it just wasn't enough. I firmly believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time. Her bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it. Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much we could do. It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we sang her song to her , and told her what a blessing she has been in our life. If love could heal, she'd have been the healthiest cat ever. But right now, she's not in any pain, no more seizures, no more force feeding, no more shots, and only peace. There is a void in my home, and my heart right now. But I am so, so thankful to have had her at all. I didn't even like cats before I met her, and now I'm a sucker for them! Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly, for the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty disease. Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved fuzzbuckets. Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Amen to flea collars! I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.) This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these garlic tablets for fleas and ticks, http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick! You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it), you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast works very well. I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to catch them to administer it... Ideas, ideas! On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have
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Here are some testimonials on Diatomaceous Earth: *http://www.earthworkshealth.com/organic-pest-control-testimonials.php* ** Apparently, it works on any crawling insect, including ticks. I can't wait to use it in my yard!!! On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May
Re: [Felvtalk] Collars
I never bothered with collars, I went ahead and microchipped my furry pets. There is a microchip clinic once a year in town that does it for $20. Shelters and vets around me have gotten much better about scanning stray animals that come through. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I JUST wrote about that, too! I thought I was the only one that this happened to - nobody's ever mentioned it before! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars I don't like collars on cats period. But I don't let my cats outside. I've seen several cats get those so-called break-away collars caught in their mouths trying to get them off. We had one at the Petsmart adoption center luckily someone was there or who knows what would have happened. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 6:44 AM My 15 cats lose their collars quite often and it gets expensive, so now I buy beautiful breakaway collars on eBay, a dozen at a time for $19.00 and free shipping. I also buy ID tags that all say REWARD and my phone number, nothing else. This way they are all interchangable and I always have a new collar ready to put on a cat who has lost it's collar. Some are very clever about getting them off. Lorrie On 05-23, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Reminds me of the time I got Stormy a red collar with shiny rhinestones. Oh, it looked so pretty on her grey fur! But every day when I came home from work, the collar, still fastened, was sitting right on the front step. Cat's way of saying, I don't even think so. Sigh. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Collars
Do they? Is there documentation on this? I mean, what doesn't cause cancer these days? On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: But were you aware that microchips can cause cancer? I got a cat from death row in NYC, and will have chip removed...it has already migrated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars I never bothered with collars, I went ahead and microchipped my furry pets. There is a microchip clinic once a year in town that does it for $20. Shelters and vets around me have gotten much better about scanning stray animals that come through. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I JUST wrote about that, too! I thought I was the only one that this happened to - nobody's ever mentioned it before! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars I don't like collars on cats period. But I don't let my cats outside. I've seen several cats get those so-called break-away collars caught in their mouths trying to get them off. We had one at the Petsmart adoption center luckily someone was there or who knows what would have happened. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 6:44 AM My 15 cats lose their collars quite often and it gets expensive, so now I buy beautiful breakaway collars on eBay, a dozen at a time for $19.00 and free shipping. I also buy ID tags that all say REWARD and my phone number, nothing else. This way they are all interchangable and I always have a new collar ready to put on a cat who has lost it's collar. Some are very clever about getting them off. Lorrie On 05-23, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Reminds me of the time I got Stormy a red collar with shiny rhinestones. Oh, it looked so pretty on her grey fur! But every day when I came home from work, the collar, still fastened, was sitting right on the front step. Cat's way of saying, I don't even think so. Sigh. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Natalie. Knowledge is definitely power. But I think I would rather keep the chip. You can treat cancer, but you can't treat euthanasia at a kill shelter... :-/ Has anyone heard about tattooing cats? I know AKC dogs sometimes get tattoos, but I have never heard of it in cats. I want my animal to have some form of permanent identification on them in case they get lost. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, there is substantiation - my vet had a few cases; one dog's chip migrated and aggravated a nerve, couldn't walk until the vet discovered the chip I have the info somewhere; will send to you directly because it may be too big to be accepted by group address. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars Do they? Is there documentation on this? I mean, what doesn't cause cancer these days? On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: But were you aware that microchips can cause cancer? I got a cat from death row in NYC, and will have chip removed...it has already migrated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars I never bothered with collars, I went ahead and microchipped my furry pets. There is a microchip clinic once a year in town that does it for $20. Shelters and vets around me have gotten much better about scanning stray animals that come through. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I JUST wrote about that, too! I thought I was the only one that this happened to - nobody's ever mentioned it before! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars I don't like collars on cats period. But I don't let my cats outside. I've seen several cats get those so-called break-away collars caught in their mouths trying to get them off. We had one at the Petsmart adoption center luckily someone was there or who knows what would have happened. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/http://www.furkids.org/ http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 6:44 AM My 15 cats lose their collars quite often and it gets expensive, so now I buy beautiful breakaway collars on eBay, a dozen at a time for $19.00 and free shipping. I also buy ID tags that all say REWARD and my phone number, nothing else. This way they are all interchangable and I always have a new collar ready to put on a cat who has lost it's collar. Some are very clever about getting them off. Lorrie On 05-23, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Reminds me of the time I got Stormy a red collar with shiny rhinestones. Oh, it looked so pretty on her grey fur! But every day when I came home from work, the collar, still fastened, was sitting right on the front step. Cat's way of saying, I don't even think so. Sigh. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Weak+ FeLV Mom v. Baby- Test Protocols
I'd say if any aged cat tests consistantly positive multiple times on any test, it is positive (faint or otherwise). Retest the mommy (in a month or two) and kitten (when it grows up a little more). See what happens. I tested mine two or three times before I accepted in my mind that they were positive and going to stay that way. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Sara, a teen Mom really isn't considered an older kitty. I'd assume both the Momma and kitten are positive until you get a negative test. The FeLV+ kittens I have rescued were all healthy and thriving until the leukemia raised it's ugly head when they were about a yr old. Even though I hate to use weak and strong testing results, I'd have to say mine were all strong positives on all their tests. Good luck Sharyl From: M C mliciou...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:22 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Weak+ FeLV Mom v. Baby- Test Protocols We have a teen Mom kitty who tested weak positive on the felv/fiv snap test 1 month after she was rescued. She had 3 kittens on a cold day out in the open before we found her. 1 kitten died the first day b/c she wasn't keeping him warm, 2nd one died within a week (Mom rejected we tried to BF but he faded), 3rd kitten survived conjunctivits, and is small but growing daily and eating really well. Since she tested weak positive, should we rest on the ELISA (sent to lab) test to make sure she even has it? We need to know b/c her surviving kitten may or may not have FeLV, depending on whether this is a false positive or if she's fighting off the infection from past exposure The kitten is only 6 weeks old, and we heard testing him now won't mean anything, so we'd have to start testing him in 1 month, then again after that IF the Mom is indeed felv positive. We're just not sure if we should assume he is felv positive b/c of the Mom's snap test result, which I know is notoriously faulty, esp. on older kitties like this. Thanks in advance, Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: URGENT! Shelbyville KY: Last chance for Fe-luk cats
Forwarding. I am going to try to foster for a while until we can find a rescue or furever home for them. -- Forwarded message -- From: Sloan, Jeanine (EEC) jeanine.sl...@ky.gov Date: Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM Subject: URGENT! Shelbyville KY: Last chance for Fe-luk cats To: Contact: jcshelbycou...@yahoo.com *From:* j c [mailto:jcshelbycou...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2011 3:12 PM *Subject:* Shelbyville, KY: Last chance for Fe-luk cats [image: Truffles-FeLV +: Siamese, Cat; Shelbyville, KY]Truffles http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/19102968 [image: Scrappy-FeLV +: Siamese, Cat; Shelbyville, KY]Scrappy http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/19102982 [image: Nehal*FeLV positive: Torbie, Cat; Shelbyville, KY]Nehal http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/19102256 If you can help any of these cats or others on our Pet Finder page http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/KY139.html, please contact the shelter ASAP. Please cross post so we can get these felines out safe. All vetting is done and transport is available to just about anywhere. Shelby County Animal Shelter 266 Kentucky St. Shelbyville, KY 40065 Phone: 502-633-0009 Fax: 502-647-9214 E-mail: animal.ad...@shelbycountykentucky.com or jcshelbycou...@yahoo.com(for faster response) Websites: *http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/KY139.html* *James Collins * *Shelby County Animal Shelter/Free Agent Rescuer* Visit the shelter at: Shelby County Animal Shelter 266 Kentucky St. Shelbyville, KY 40065 Phone: 502-633-0009 Fax: 502-647-9214 E-mail: animal.ad...@shelbycountykentucky.com Websites: *http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/KY139.html* Office Hours: Monday: Closed Tuesday: 9 A.M. - 7 P.M. Wednesday: 9 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Thursday: 9 A.M. - 7 P.M. Friday: 9 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Satuday: 9 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Sunday: Closed Call ahead for available Holiday Adoption Hours. Save a life. Spay/Neuter you pets or adopt a forever friend today!! www.shelbycountynokillmission.com [image: ribbon.jpg] In memory of the unwanted. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne
My cats LOVE baked chicken and grilled steak (medium rare) - but only when it is freshly cooked. They don't like reheated food. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu wrote: Same here- I put the baby food in a bowl, and then run the hot water into the empty jar- fill it up, then dump it in the bowl and mix it up. -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne I just let the hot water run until it is hot enough to warm up the food so it smells good and they come running. I only give each one about 1 teaspoon because they prefe the liquid to the actual meat. They will come back later and nibble at the meat, but the liquid dissappears real fast. On May 9, 2011, at 5:03 PM, czadna sacarawicz wrote: THANK YOU. we are not alone. really, really appreciate your ideas and presence yesterday we tried Gerber 2 chicken with gravy (chicken cornstarch). warmed a bit in microwave. not interested. this morning nosed it around and left. I keep picking her up and bringing her back or taking the dish to her. did eat Fancy Feast beef well this a.m. routinely had used microwaved sweet potatoes but not since all this came down. had thought about fish but haven't tried that since had read that shouldn't . soupy. makes much much sense. hair ball gel. thank you. forward together. thanks to each of you from your beloveds in honor of Mother's Day. they send you love. m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: URGENT! Shelbyville KY: Last chance for Fe-luk cats
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sloan, Jeanine (EEC) jeanine.sl...@ky.gov Date: Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM Subject: URGENT! Shelbyville KY: Last chance for Fe-luk cats To: Contact: jcshelbycou...@yahoo.com *From:* j c [mailto:jcshelbycou...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2011 3:12 PM *Subject:* Shelbyville, KY: Last chance for Fe-luk cats [image: Truffles-FeLV +: Siamese, Cat; Shelbyville, KY]Truffles http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/19102968 [image: Scrappy-FeLV +: Siamese, Cat; Shelbyville, KY]Scrappy http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/19102982 [image: Nehal*FeLV positive: Torbie, Cat; Shelbyville, KY]Nehal http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/19102256 If you can help any of these cats or others on our Pet Finder page http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/KY139.html, please contact the shelter ASAP. Please cross post so we can get these felines out safe. All vetting is done and transport is available to just about anywhere. Shelby County Animal Shelter 266 Kentucky St. Shelbyville, KY 40065 Phone: 502-633-0009 Fax: 502-647-9214 E-mail: animal.ad...@shelbycountykentucky.com or jcshelbycou...@yahoo.com(for faster response) Websites: *http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/KY139.html* *James Collins * *Shelby County Animal Shelter/Free Agent Rescuer* Visit the shelter at: Shelby County Animal Shelter 266 Kentucky St. Shelbyville, KY 40065 Phone: 502-633-0009 Fax: 502-647-9214 E-mail: animal.ad...@shelbycountykentucky.com Websites: *http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/KY139.html* Office Hours: Monday: Closed Tuesday: 9 A.M. - 7 P.M. Wednesday: 9 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Thursday: 9 A.M. - 7 P.M. Friday: 9 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Satuday: 9 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Sunday: Closed Call ahead for available Holiday Adoption Hours. Save a life. Spay/Neuter you pets or adopt a forever friend today!! www.shelbycountynokillmission.com [image: ribbon.jpg] In memory of the unwanted. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV+ and FIV+ Cat in Frankfort KY
Tested positive for both FeLV and FIV with a combo test, snap test by Idexx. Male, BW, neutered, sweet with some cattitude. On antibiotics for sniffles. He came in while the shelter was evacuated due to flooding. It's been very rainy here lately. I can't take on any more special needs cats or I would take him, so I was wondering if you all knew of a place that might take him. I appreciate any advice! Katy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
My Buddy was 4-5 weeks old when he tested positive the first time. I assume he got it so young because his mother has it. (I never found the mother, so I don't know what happened to her.) But Buddy is almost 2 years old now and is still very healthy (aside from testing positive)! There is always hope with FeLV because it acts differently with every cat, it seems. =^_^= On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That's FANTASTIC! That means that the kittens will NOT be...they are still developing their immune system and will shed whatever small amount of it shows...just like with FIV moms' kittens! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens Got the results of the IFA on the mother. She is negative. I told them we have to re-test again in a month or two because we have to have two tests that agree. Since the second ELISA is showing positive but the IFA is negative I told them we need to give her a little longer before making a conclusive determination. I hoping her immune system will extinguish the virus. Someone on here once said they had a positive mama cat with a negative kitten and a positive kitten. The positive kitten died young of course but the negative kitten and the positive mama cat were still around and healthy. I would think that would be the exception rather than the rule. But, two of this mama cat's four kittens have tested negative on their first ELISA so I'm hoping the next ELISA will show the same thing and they'll be part of the small minority that didn't get it from the mother cat. Yeah, I know about FIV and thank the Lord it is a little less scary than FeLV. I have an FIV positive male in my house so I learned all about it too. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:24:28 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens Unfortunately, if the mother is FeLV positive, the kittens are too! I have yet to hear or read otherwise. With FIV, that is not the case, fortunately. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens Please contact me in reference to these 2 Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place to go. I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV sanctuaries nearby or even in the whole state. The lady who has been fostering them is willing to drive almost anywhere. She has family in PA and goes up there several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem for her. Plus we have other people who can drive them to various other states. The kittens will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered. My rescue is a very small group. We don't have a shelter facility, we just have foster homes. We don't have a long term place for the kittens. Can anyone help or offer suggestions? We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her. Because of that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive. Think we should do an IFA test on them? I feel certain that they are truly positive but who knows. Also two of their littermates have tested negative on their first ELISA. How long should we wait before re-testing? Do you guys think those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that it just isn't showing up yet for some reason? I know I've heard some of you say that you had a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that came from a positive mother cat. But does that happen very often? Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the kittens. We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about the kittens. Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens and will hold them until they can be re-tested. I am not
Re: [Felvtalk] Special Thanks!
The love of a cat is special, I would do anything for babies! I'm planning on screening in my covered porch so the cats can sit out there with me :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I just want to let everyone know that I am so glad I am not the only one in the world who has a passion for cats. I love all animals of course, but cats have a special place in my heart. NONE of my friends or family members are interested in my cat stories. I was telling my mother-in-law about Amber this afternoon. I don't know why I even bothered. She is not really an animal lover at all. I know she thinks I am wacko. LOL This is a great place for information and understanding. I am so glad I found this site! Things happen for a reason and it is nice to know I am not alone. Of course my hubby is with me regarding the cats, but he is the only one I can think of. He is not quite as cat crazy as I am, but close. LOL. God Bless all of you who go the extra mile. You are my heroes. Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats
Thanks for the advice! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:35 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Katy, I found out that some of my cats were allergc to corn, wheat or soy that is in all commercial foods. As soon as I started them on Blue Bufalo, the vomittng topped and the diahrrea almost dissappeared. I will stay with Blue Buffalo, better for them and cheaper than running to the vet trying to treat something caused by the food I feed. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: Oh wow, thanks for that heads up! Of my two cats, only one will eat fish product, Chloe. Buddy will not touch the fishy stuff. --Katy On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT FISH IN THEIR FOOD CAN BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF URINARY TRACT PROBLEMS. My Homey was having problems and was not esponding to treatment. I got a Chinese herb thing from All Natural online and it did the trick. At the same time I read online about fish being a possible contributor to the problem and pulled the treats which were loaded with fish. So far, no more problems. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for them, they don't fish... Tuna: Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and Science Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave: An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless, says Bough. However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the cat is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise. Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so too much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow fat disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under the skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium, sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins. Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger. At low levels, this may not be a concern, explains Bough, but if tuna is fed nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems. The bottom line? I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats, Bough says. These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary needs. http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they believe that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration. Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a cat requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat owners in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over 200 mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish are similar. If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid complications. Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission. Salmon poisoning has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This disease occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the following signs : * Depression * Fever * Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes * Oculonasal discharge * Haematemesis - vomiting blood * Diarrhoea * Death - 90% in untreated cases. Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or rickettsiae in lymph node samples. Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by veterinarians due to cats being fed fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats. Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine. Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include : * Anorexia * Ataxia - 2-3 days later * Vomiting * Convulsions - short * Dilation of the pupils * Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis) Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has occurred. Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available : * Increased plasma pyruvate * Increased plasma lactate * Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant enzyme) Some fish
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely. I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same with hamburger. On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote: And that subject is supposed to be cat food... Typos! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of food do you feed your cats? I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work. I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that are FeLV+. Thanks, Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats
Oh wow, thanks for that heads up! Of my two cats, only one will eat fish product, Chloe. Buddy will not touch the fishy stuff. --Katy On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT FISH IN THEIR FOOD CAN BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF URINARY TRACT PROBLEMS. My Homey was having problems and was not esponding to treatment. I got a Chinese herb thing from All Natural online and it did the trick. At the same time I read online about fish being a possible contributor to the problem and pulled the treats which were loaded with fish. So far, no more problems. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for them, they don't fish... Tuna: Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and Science Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave: An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless, says Bough. However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the cat is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise. Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so too much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow fat disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under the skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium, sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins. Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger. At low levels, this may not be a concern, explains Bough, but if tuna is fed nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems. The bottom line? I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats, Bough says. These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary needs. http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they believe that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration. Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a cat requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat owners in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over 200 mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish are similar. If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid complications. Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission. Salmon poisoning has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This disease occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the following signs : * Depression * Fever * Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes * Oculonasal discharge * Haematemesis - vomiting blood * Diarrhoea * Death - 90% in untreated cases. Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or rickettsiae in lymph node samples. Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by veterinarians due to cats being fed fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats. Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine. Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include : * Anorexia * Ataxia - 2-3 days later * Vomiting * Convulsions - short * Dilation of the pupils * Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis) Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has occurred. Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available : * Increased plasma pyruvate * Increased plasma lactate * Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant enzyme) Some fish are particularly high in oil content, and pansteatitis or yellow fat disease is caused by the intake of too much fat in the absence of adequate antioxidant. Red-meat tuna has been reported to be particularly involved as a cause of this in cats. The cause of the disease is accumulation of peroxides - the end product of rancidification of fat - in the cats adipose tissue causing yellow-brown discolouration. Clinical signs of
Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
Terrie, Do whatever you have to do, family is very important. You and your husband will be in my TP. --Katy On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Hi all, I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. I want to make myself available at all times for him. He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it isn't really. Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day. Sincerely, Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll start mixing in cooked meat with their dried Purina/Blue Buffalo mixture. (I tend to mix dry foods together, they like picking the flavor they want to eat that day! I never spoil my animals!) Now I am curious, what's wrong with tuna? (One of my cats wont eat fish anyway, so I wouldn't feed it very often, I'd just like to know.) On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp Crab. We rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't want the little buggers to get bored with their food-LOL. They finally agreed to all eat some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing. They're not spoiled or anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof My cats eat canned Wellness but only the salmon and turkey flavor. Go figure. They *Love* Prarie chicken dryed catfood. It's pretty good nutrition-wise. And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'... ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof They can be fussy, can't they! LOL My brood eats wellness canned but when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses. Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for the more expensive/healthy food. I fed her that at first and after she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my other cats the healthy stuff as well and they tried to cover it up like it was a bowel movement..LOL. Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but cat food. I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand as well, but it not really a healthy brand... It is not cheap in price though. Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken, ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79 cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a couple of hundred cans of tuna at 39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely. I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same with hamburger. On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote: And that subject is supposed to be cat food... Typos! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of food do you feed your cats? I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work. I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that are FeLV+. Thanks, Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
And another question, how do you cook the meat? (grilled, baked, pan fried, boiled) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll start mixing in cooked meat with their dried Purina/Blue Buffalo mixture. (I tend to mix dry foods together, they like picking the flavor they want to eat that day! I never spoil my animals!) Now I am curious, what's wrong with tuna? (One of my cats wont eat fish anyway, so I wouldn't feed it very often, I'd just like to know.) On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp Crab. We rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't want the little buggers to get bored with their food-LOL. They finally agreed to all eat some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing. They're not spoiled or anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof My cats eat canned Wellness but only the salmon and turkey flavor. Go figure. They *Love* Prarie chicken dryed catfood. It's pretty good nutrition-wise. And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'... ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof They can be fussy, can't they! LOL My brood eats wellness canned but when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses. Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for the more expensive/healthy food. I fed her that at first and after she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my other cats the healthy stuff as well and they tried to cover it up like it was a bowel movement..LOL. Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but cat food. I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand as well, but it not really a healthy brand... It is not cheap in price though. Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken, ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79 cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a couple of hundred cans of tuna at 39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely. I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same with hamburger. On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote: And that subject is supposed to be cat food... Typos! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of food do you feed your cats? I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work. I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that are FeLV+. Thanks, Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
Beth, I am glad you were there for Lola before she crossed the rainbow bridge. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Beth You and the people who rush to help these sweet creatures like Lola are my heroes. Your efforts, care and love have a huge impact, I think, on Lola and the larger world. This story is sad and touching. Thank you for all you do. I'm reminded of the oft told story of the person visiting the beach, going for a walk. They come upon many beached fish, flailing to survive. Thousands of them cover the beach. The person commences to picking up as many as possible and transporting them to the sea. A cynical onlooker chirps, What are you doing? Don't you see this is hopeless? Look at all of these! You can't possible save them! The person kept working, and throwing another rescued being into the sea, replied, I just saved that one! And so we go. Thank you. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :( Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there didn't see a thing at first. She was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see her. She blended right in. She was so cold wet could barely make a sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel met some other volunteers who took her to the emergency vet. She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive had severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her heart was barely pumping. I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow Bridge. It is so sad to think how long she may have been there how many people saw her just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way. At least she had a name :( Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Cat Foof
What kind of food do you feed your cats? I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work. I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that are FeLV+. Thanks, Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
And that subject is supposed to be cat food... Typos! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of food do you feed your cats? I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work. I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that are FeLV+. Thanks, Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info?
I would. Thanks, Katy On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter?
I have facebook, it seems that everything on my news feed is about animal rescue. :-) I don't have facebook send any notifications to me email (I've also got it going to my spam folder just in case). If I want to read something on facebook, I just go do it. Facebook is a great resource for rescues, though! It is definitely something to think about. It would help reach a wider range of people that normally wouldn't pay attention to cats, let alone special needs cats (like our FeLV+ babies). On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu wrote: I block most of mine. ;-) That way, I only get the ones I WANT to see. From: Beth [mailto:create_me_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter? Personally I am already drowning in Facebook posts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
When I lived with my parents, my FeLV+ cat lived in my bedroom away from my parents healthy cats. (My cat tested positive at 5 weeks old and I was not going to put him down. P.S. He's almost 2 years old and still healthy!) They played under the door, my cat escaped a few times, but the Leukemia never spread between cats. Contact was limited. Don't get too worried. --Katy On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello, I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they said she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The vet said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did not have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering. However, I have three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will escape to the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a nice cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the basement about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8' long x 4' wide x 6' tall cage so she will have more room I do hate keeping her caged up, but don't have a choice. She is very sweet and it is just a sad situation. I tried to find a home for her but no one seems to want a cat with her issues. We are trying to be very cautious regarding the other cats, but it is does make me fearful. I plan to have her rested in three months. I am so new to this situation, so any comments or ideas are much appreciated. Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leona Jean Yahmuna
You can also get lysine in powder form to mix in water. It helps suppress eye herpes and many respiratory issues. Good luck! Katy Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2011, at 9:57 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] HELP! Tweezer is sick
I'm so sorry that Tweezer isn't doing well. I don't really know what to do to encourage him to eat - maybe try his favorite food, I sometimes use tuna or mackerel (supplemented with Nutri-Cal so the cat gets all their viatamins). For cats, the smellier the food, the better. I hope that helps! ---Katy On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.comwrote: Tweezer was to the vet yesterday. His RBC is 17 and he has a secondary infection. He is also having spasms which is the worst because he is frightened and it makes it harder for him to eat and drink. He is on Prednesolone and Clavamox for now. What can I do to help him? I hope this message gets through to the list because my last one didn't. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity?
I feed my cats Blue Buffalo (it's the only food I've tried that doesn't make my cats vomit) and I put a little Nutri-Cal on their paw one per week. My cats are healthy right now, aside from testing positive, so I haven't gotten into all the other supplements that everyone else uses. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Good supplements with Vitamin C, Biotin (Nickers), and CoQ10 in powder in capsules (GNC Vegetarian formula) - regular oil in capsules hard to squeeze out all oil from capsules.I give all FIV/FeLV and heart patients 50mg daily. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of M C Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity? Dear Kitty Lovers, One of my rescued kittens rested positive for leukemia. She was tested at 4 mos, 5 mos, then 7 mos-- all positive on the ELISA. My vet says if she retests positive on the ELISA in 2 mos, she's definitely positive. Others say we need to do the IFA to get the more accurate results. She looks healthy, but still small for her age, she recently had a mild cold which went away w/Amoxi dosge. At this point, the chances of her fighting off a FeLV infection are not great, right? With that said, if anyone has nutritional supplements, food recommendations, and other ideas on how to provide her with the best immunity support/boosts, please let us know! I keep hearing about Interferon, but I don't know anyone else w/a felv kitten or cat, so any advice would be appreciated! My vet is relatively new to this disease, he only sees the kitties w/feLV when its really gotten bad... Thanks, Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is ther anything that can reverse the anemia?
It depends on what causes the anemia. I don't really know how to treat anemia in cats, but I am anemic due to an iron deficiency --- I have to take an iron supplement. Vitamin C helps the body absorb the iron. Another treatment it getting a B-12 complex shot. The B-12 shot would probably be easiest on a cat. Eating red meat and chicken are also good sources of iron. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I am worried that my 4 year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer may be anemic. I will be taking him to the vet asap but am wondering if there is anything that can reverse the anemia once is starts. I have lost two positive kitties already to anemia and I sure don't want to see it happen to Tweezer. We bought Buzzy a few months with Doxycycline and Prednelolone but it's never enough time. Does anyone know of anything that can reverse it? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
I'm sick all the time with bronchitis and sinus infections (healthy, right?) and my FeLV+ cats have never gotten it. --Katy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone knows if humans who are sick with a cold, the flu, etc can make a FELV+ cat sick. Magic is currently still asymptomatic (other than her diagnosis). I'm just wondering when we are sick if they are more susceptible with their weakened immune system. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diet recommendations
I've switched my cats to Blue Buffalo and they seem to love the food and they have been healthier. They used to vomit randomly, but haven't since being on the new food. I also smudge of Nutri-Cal on their paw once a day, just so they get some extra vitamins. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Heather, I rescued a pair of FeLV kittens. Sissy always had enlarged lymph nodes especially at her neck. Rocket never did. I tried several things but never helped. I feed her the highest quality food she would eat supplemented with L-lysine, B12, folic acid. I enjoyed 4 years with my sweet Sissy. Love and treasure Squiggy every day. That really is the best medicine. Sharyl --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Diet recommendations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:02 AM My boy, Squiggy, was diagnosed with feline leukemia about 6 months ago. He has stayed pretty healthy since, with just one secondary infection that was treated with antibiotics. But the lymph nodes in his throat are swollen and stay that way all the time, Sometimes they are larger than others but they are always swollen. My vet doesn't seem concerned by this. She just says it is a symptom of the FeLv. But it concerns me becasue that is what made me take him to the vet 6 months ago. His lymph nodes were swollen and he was having trouble breathing. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there anything I can do for him diet or medication wise to decrease the swelling? He also has a licking issue. He will lick everything. But when I had a bloodwork check on him the vet said it looked good. That he was just slightly anemic but very good for a FeLv cat. I feed him wet food in the morning and add Lysine powder and Missing Link to it. Any other recommendations? I would really appreciate any advice. He is eating well and maintaining his weight but I want to stay as far ahead of the disease as I can. I do some rescue work out of my house and lost a very young kitten to FeLv already. Squiggy was rescued from a chemical plant but was such a standout sweet kitten that I couldn't bring myself to give him up. Thank you for your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] spoke to soon, Whimsy not eating again
This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun :-) When I spend time (in the summer) at feral colonies I feed, I put out smelly/ yummy tuna or mackerel and sing. I have no real proof that it works, but the cats don't seem to mind me hanging out. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:58 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried the catnip spray?? Have you tried the cheapest tuna or maybe raw hamburger (room temp)? Hot water on top of the hamburger brings out the juices and has helped some ferals eat and/or drink the juices. Re tuna: The nice solid white doesn't work. Even my healthy guys want nothing to do with that...the very cheap, in water stuff that may turn your stomach. On Dec 26, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Natalie wrote: Actually, that's a great idea. Whenever I have ferals, I play radio with talk shows so that they get used to human voices. But this little guy seems beyond that stage. After that, classical music is very soothing to cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] spoke to soon, Whimsy not eating again hi Natalie, Yes, tried heating the food, too, added his fave treats; 4 flavors of tiki, regular tuna, regular sardines, kibble, steak from Christmas, - he's got several interactive toys that he loves, cat trees, scratching pads/posts, sunny windows, catnip toys, loose catnip, filtered water, heat reflecting beds, daily brushings and daily feather stick sessions. I'm wondering if he'd like a little tv or some music. I have never had luck with Feliway nor Rescue Remedy though I can try them again with him. We tried Feliway the day of the vet visit. It's so frustrating because he was doing so great! We feel he is saying 'I want to be IN the house with you, daddy, and my brothers OR I want to be outside. I don't want to be in purgatory. I did get an RX for cypro, so I will pick that up, try baby food (onion free of course), KFC; When the other boys don't eat, I can syringe, pill them, etc - but lil Whimsy still has that feral streak come out. But we have to try everything. thank you for your support!! --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] spoke to soon, Whimsy not eating again To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 9:15 AM Don't let him get to you - no matter how much he objects. Pretty soon, he'll be more than happy to be safe inside! Have you tried heating up the food or adding some very hot water to it? Does he have some toys, catnip to keep him busy? BTW, if you get Rescue Remedy, you don't necessarily have to get it into his mouth - you can place a few drops on the skin on his forehead or closer to the ear where the fur isn't so dense. I still think that Feliway could help a lot. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] spoke to soon, Whimsy not eating again after a good morning yesterday, now Whimsy is refusing to eat again. Tuna, sardines, treats, nothing - have to try KFC today. He is having bursts of playing alot, wants to cuddle, then gets pissed off and kicks litter out of his box, paces around crying and begging to go outside. He is depressed and angry. I just can't wrap my head around letting him out in all that snow and cold - after we made such progress. We live off a busy street - it's everything we got away from with him. The other thing is now he knows we live on the other side of the door with other kitties. Everything was fun until this dr apt and the outside door to his room froze over. I am going to get my vet to call in a cypro rx, but how I will pill this guy, I have no idea. this is so heartbreaking, in light of his excellent check up. argh. Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Umm... I live 20 minutes from Lexington. I'm driving to Cincinnati area the evening of the 22nd. But that is as far as I can drive the cat. Call if you want me to do that leg of the transport. 502-545-8025 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Dawn Bartholomew dba...@ptd.net wrote: My Buddy Cat died in September from FeLV. I finally found another kitty that I would like to adopt from a shelter from KY near Lexington. I live in PA. Does anyone live near Lexington? I would be willing to pay for gas and an extra $100 if someone can drive half way (4-5 hours) and meet me. I want to surprise my daughter and husband for Christmas. Dawn ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie
I'm in Frankfort, I'd love to visit Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Where in Kentucky are you? I ask because I live there and have a holistic vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office. She uses supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with Copper, Thomas and Bob. Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger before they invited them to dinner. On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ cats. I live in Kentucky. I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later. He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe. So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily. Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject. Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences! ---Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie
Sorry, hit send before I was ready.., I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Where in Kentucky are you? I ask because I live there and have a holistic vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office. She uses supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with Copper, Thomas and Bob. Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger before they invited them to dinner. On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ cats. I live in Kentucky. I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later. He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe. So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily. Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject. Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences! ---Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie
Thanks for the advice! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:14 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Betty Boswell is my all time pick. 502-499-9663. She is in Louisville. Susan Maier (Horizon) is in Simpsonville. Susan studied under Betty. Both have DVM's but have chosen to practice holistic medicine. I drive to Louisville (120 miles one way) to take my critters to Middletown Animal Hospital 502-245-9311. All of the vets there are the greatest and celebrated when I took death off the table when I took Dixie to them. Needless to say, I consider all of these people worth my time and Frankfort is a lot closer. Betty and MAC have evening hours. If you chose to take your little ones, mention that Marylyn sent you. Good luck. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Katy Doyle wrote: Sorry, hit send before I was ready.., I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Where in Kentucky are you? I ask because I live there and have a holistic vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office. She uses supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with Copper, Thomas and Bob. Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger before they invited them to dinner. On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ cats. I live in Kentucky. I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later. He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe. So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily. Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject. Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences! ---Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Newbie
Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ cats. I live in Kentucky. I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later. He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe. So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily. Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject. Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences! ---Katy Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
