Re: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City Siamese Rescue cats
OK - so anybody on this list in Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc, available to take another FELV kitty - one a British Short Hair, one a Birman? Gloria On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Susan Loesch wrote: Gloria, I have a transport. Either Merry will bring or Sharon Morris will connect with her over Xmas in Springfield. Would like to find them a home, tho, besides my overcrowded one. Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd re-forward this in case you couldn't see the attachment message. Can anybody take these FELV babies (presently in Kansas City) or transport to Arkansas? Gloria - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Fwd: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas CityS iame se Rescue I am forwarding this from KC Siamese Rescue. . Hello Susan! Thank you for considering Crash (the Brit SH) and Bill Murray (who is a Birman instead of Siamese). They are both HIGHLY social and loving. Bill is almost annoying, he’s so sweet! And Crash has this itty bitty “wussy” meow. Cracks me up! Okay, here’s the Background. Crash came into rescue a year and ahalf ago, (about a year old). Tested Negative at that time. Was in 2 different foster homes the 1st 6mths, placed out on an adoption for about 4mths and came back in in the spring (April or May, I’ve had him since). At that time, we discovered a FeLeuk outbreak in one of his 1st foster homes. He was retested a weak positive (at that time). And that is truly all He has ever tested. The last one, about a month ago (Snap test ) was so weak you could barely see the color change. So we ran the Eliza (sendout) Which was positive. None of the other cats he had been with ever tested positive. Bill Murray came in as a 2month old kitten this summer.Tested Negative initially, but has had the usual colds etc. Was retested AFTER finding A new intake that was fe leuk positive in the same “colony” he was in……again, he’s the only one that tested positive after 45 days. They are now their own “colony” in one of my bathrooms! My personal cats are FeLeuk vaccinated, but I frequently do have fosters loose in my house. Please let me know if there is anything else you need on them I’d be glad to make a donation or send food or whatever. They are current on their vaccinations as well. Alisa Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You...my world revolves around cats! -Original Message- From: Drew Merry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:24 AM To: 'Susan Loesch'; Drew Merry Cc: Alisa M Sacco (E-mail); 'Alisa Sacco' (E-mail) Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats That's wonderful, Susan. You are a very special lady. Hopefully, Alisa will contact you soon. Let me know if there is anything at all that I can do to help you out. Merry -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats Thanks, Merry. As you can tell I am really leaning toward taking. I do love the feleuk babies, kitten or adult. Since I only take in unadoptables for my rescue group -- feleuk, chronic illnesses, biters, ver elderly, etc, and since I keep them and all my cats vaccinated, I don't isolate feleuks. They mix freely with my guys - with our vet's blessing. I've never yet had one of my cats contract feleuk. They snuggle up in bed with me along with all the rest! Drew Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am cc'ing their foster mom and she can tell you more about them than I can. Will have her get in contact with you and fill you in on the background of both boys. -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:45 AM To: Drew Merry Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City S iame se Rescue cats I am very much leaning toward taking them. Last spring I lost Cheyenne, a little feleuk Siamese girl who came from a kill shelter in Corsicana, Tx at 4 mo. She lived over almost 2 years with me. Crash sounds like he might have acquired feleuk as an adullt - or if as a baby, is just very lucky to be healthy longer. What can you tell me about their background. Drew Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how old Crash the British Shorthair is for sure. I know that he is a young adult, probably around 2 years old or so. I think that the Siamese boy is around 7 months old. They are both really cool boys. Sure take all the time you need to think about it. Their foster mom has them isolated. I will be off on vacation from December 12 until I go back to work on my birthday of December 26. So I
Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics
I have no experience with that particular condition, but sending you good vibes. Might also try some lactobacillus for the tummy and immune system. Also the 4 hour antihistamine that's used for cats- can't remember the brand. Gloria On Dec 9, 2006, at 8:10 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to the minor ear infection – since that day one, it changed his life. He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular disorders – I have been researching more about this – and it’s fairly common in human as well – I would like to hear about anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc… I am so devastated and I am very desparate – thank you in advance.
Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home
I totally agree... On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:33 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: Did you read any of the literature I sent? Because it doesn't sound like you did. FIP is NOT CONTAGIOUS. Corona virus is contagious, but 80% to 100% of cats in shelters ALREADY HAVE CORONA. Perhaps you may want to read the literature. How do you know you can't change the shelter's policy, how many times have you tried in the past? I would think that once every 3 to 6 months wouldn't be too often (picketing out front sometimes helps, but these days that may get you imprisoned as a terrorist). Or, who knows, maybe saving this one cat is enough for you, and your life mission is complete, who I am to judge? I hope you find her a home, and you live the rest of your days in blissful peace and happiness (at least until the shelter starts testing all their cats and decides to kill them ALL since they likely ALL test corona positive). Like they say, maybe you can't save every life, but to the one you do save, it means everything! What really matters is that you feel good inside, and that you can honestly look back on this in the future and say I did the best I could and be at peace with that. That's all any of us can really do. (I just speak from experience, as I know I look back on my life and regret all the I could have done mores I left behind.) Have you posted her on the FIP cats and kittens for adoption section of the bemikitties adoption website yet? http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/ classifieds.cgi? request=display_subcategory_id=101website=defaultsession=457f7e836b 6f7748 You can also post her to these yahoogroups: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/PurringPixieCatResource/ And to these websites: http://www.azfelines.org/index.php?page=03 http://www.petswithdisabilities.org/catadopt.html And, if you tell me your city and state, I will send you a list of all the no kill shelters in a 200 mile or so radius to you. Or, if you prefer to not give out that information, you can find a partial list on my webpage (scroll down a way) at: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html (if you or anyone else knows of any I don't have listed PLEASE send me their info) Remember, pictures speak louder than words, so if you can, get a picture of her (go for the most pathetic looking pose you can get) and post a link to her picture every time you post her somewhere. If you need someone to host the image so you can link to it, send it to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will upload it to my website and send you the URL. I hope this is more along the lines of the type of information and assistance you require. Good luck! Best Regards, Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: loose stools
Agreed - I'd use Flagyl and feed some high fiber food. Fecal tests often don't show anything. If Flagyl doesn't work, I then try Albon (for coccidia - see http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm? cls=1cat=1359articleid=726). On one FELV diarrhea cat I used a diet change and it worked really well - I used the recipe from Dr. Pitcairn's book, only modified it a bit, and it worked well. I substituted canned chicken or turkey (not cat food, but from the human section of the grocery store) - mixed with, white rice, kidney beans, and some other of Dr. Pitcairns suggestions. I then started a different route - trying buying cat food with alternative meats - bought some Nutro lamb cat food, and my kitty tolerated it very well. Dr. Pitcairn's new book is at http://www.amazon.com/Pitcairns- Complete-Guide-Natural-Health/dp/157954973X Gloria On Nov 27, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Any suggestions? Yeah -- metronidazole (Flagyl). Parasites, such as giardia, very often do not show up in a fecal. I'm surprised the vet did not mention this. Many vets will treat with metronidazole on the basis of symptoms, even when a fecal is negative. I don't think I'd be jumping ahead to cancer without at least trying standard treatments for giardia (metronidazole) and coccidia (Albon). If both of these failed I would look at tritrichomonas foetus (treated with Ronidazole). Is it possible the vet is assuming lymphoma because the cat is FeLV+ rather than looking at more common and treatable causes? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been fostering a FELV pos. cat for over 6 months and she has chronic diarrhea multiple times a day. She has been tested numerous times for parasites and been dewormed. Our vet feels it may be lymphoma. If it is, how long do these cats live? Otherwise she is doing fairly well for a positive cat. Also, any suggestions to combatting the diarrhea would be helpful. I use pumpkin, slippery elm, and bentonite clay powder daily which helps to some degree. Her stools are still soft and she has accidents still and is in the litterbox frequently. Thanks for any info. Diane
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Oh.h.h. yeaa - sounds very familiar. I'd give her some time to herself for a few days, and see how she reacts to a little tasty canned food after that. I've had the NICEST cats start out quite aggressive, because they didn't like the new and different surroundings, don't like leaving their homes, watching their stuff being packed up, etc. When I got C.J., he was really scarey. But he turned into such a sweetheart. Same with Katie. Have had others do that too. I'd say - it's not time to worry yet. Gloria On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Asia update
Think you want kitty vit c or a type that has less chance of irritating the tummy. Might try Dr. Belfields products, at www.belfield.com Gloria On Dec 30, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. wrote: I heard that Vita-Cal and Nutri-Cal are full of sugar and that fuels cancer??? Regular vitamin C or is there a special cat Vit. C? Dianne - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Asia update I'd go with the vitamin C, and a good all around high calorie vitamin-mineral supplement, like Vita-Cal or Nutri-Cal, since she's doing chemo, she could probably use the additional easy to access calories. Neither of them are expensive. Phaewryn 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY- YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Beautiful story, MC - Thanks. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:06 AM, TenHouseCats wrote: let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks, and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.) the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet- me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least. there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again. two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i was the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy in a carrier solution which i could spray on her and the surroundings, and it seemed to help a bit, but after two weeks, it was rapidly becoming clear that something had to change. i was up on the bed with her, and i was in tears. she was letting me pet her, and i asked her if she really wanted to be on this earth any longer, that she was terrorizing the other cats and drawing way too much of my blood, and that things just could not go on like this. the little motley punk climbed onto my lap, and purred for 45 minutes. and things began to get better from then on. that was seven and a half years ago. she STILL hates other cats, and will still attack stuffed animals when hissed off. she told me, after a bit, that she would NEVER be a pet again, because it hurt too much. that MAYBE, if i kept her as long as her first mom had, she would CONSIDER really trusting me this is a cat who did NOT purr--very occasionally she would practice what she insisted was rhythmic growling, and would stop as soon as she was caught at it. (once we actually had the vet come out, because she'd been purring constantly, and we knew that there was something wrong!) almost five years to the day from when she came to live with me, she started purring more regularly she
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
Anna, you had several very nice replies to your question, which and some good suggestions... You have to look at the subject of the message, and follow that thread, to see your replies. Hope your kitty is doing better, we all understand and sympathize. Gloria On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Anna wrote: god bye. - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Prayers needed for Lucy-- very serious
I am so sorry, Michelle - prayers coming for Lucy - Gloria On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy's temp spiked to 106.7 tonight so I took her to the ER. They did blood work and her HCt is at 18 and her bun and liver enzymes are low. They took xrays and it looked to them (ER doctors, who I don't really trust to read xrays totally correctly) like she has fluid in her abdomen and an enlarged heart. They tapped the fluid and could not tell what it is. With IV fluids and some torbutrol her temp came down to 100.6 in two hours. I then took her home, against their advice, because they did not seem to think they could do anything and she was miserable there. I have an appointment for 7:30 am at Red Bank, the best vet hospital in the state, with an oncologist. It is 2 hours away, so we need to leave at 5:30 am. Lucy hates car rides, but I want a better diagnosis, and I want it from the best people. Except for the fact that she is still eating (probably not normally, but not completely terribly either) and alert, and her protein ratio which does not point to FIP, her clinical signs and blood work otherwise could mean wet FIP. The ER vet thinks it's lymphoma. She was trying to convince me that FeLV+ cats dont respond to chemo, even though I told her I had one who did and know others with cats who have. It is possible it is FIP, it is possible that it is lymphoma so bad that nothing can be done or that she has heart problems that will complicate chemo and I can't do it. But I want to try, at least, to get a better diagnosis before deciding all of this. She is happy to be home for now. She ate a little bit of cooked turkey, probably 10 or 15 little pieces. Please pray hard for her. It does not look good. I hope she can at least have some good time left. she is my baby, more than any of the others, though I love them too. she is my love. Michelle
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
O yea... medical model. Actually, I think I'd be looking into Acemann or ImmunoRegulin or sometime like that... Best of luck, Gloria On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:05 AM, TenHouseCats wrote: you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient! On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal. At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here. Almost like they are saying well, she's old and she's got FIP, there's nothing we can do, but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP! Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is hopeless in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of consultation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies
I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but just wondering... Thanks, Gloria On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this email. It was me. I give it to Patches, who chews in the same places otherwise. but we are pretty sure it is anxiety with her, not allergies. How is it working? Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 12:43:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have searched all my email archives and I can't for the life of me find who recommended going to a compounding pharmacy to get compounded transdermal benedryl gel for my Phelix's allergies (my brain is like a sieve)...but Phelix and I just wanted to say thanks! (and please tell me who you are - !)
Re: Rompi
Paolo, just wanted you to know I'm thinking about you. Don't unsubscribe from Feline Anemia if you need it - I'm not sure but assuming you're getting too much mail perhaps - if so, just change to the no mail (web only) option and go read them off the web. Sending my best to you and your kitties - Gloria On Feb 4, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Paolo wrote: Tonya, thank you for your thoughts. Yes, thanks to the advices from you all I succeeded in subscribing to the Feline Lymphoma and Feline Cancer groups. It results that I am no longer subscribed to Feline Anemia (!) although I regularly receive all the posts from that group (!). I am just afraid of un-subscribing and re-subscribing right away to Anemia (in order to reset the situation) because I feel that I would start receiving the same mail twice!!!... So, in the doubt... ;) Today I am trying to schedule a visit with the oncologist for tomorrow or thursday. I have even found a pharmacy that gets me pure L- Lysine and pure Dimethylglycine in powder, in 50 or 100 g cans, inexpensive, so Rompi is on both and on Omega3-EPA-DHA, doing great even if it's not a therapy but just a support. I remind to everybody that little O.T. of mine, posted saturday... ;) Michelle, please don't go: take a DEEP breath, but do not go. I feel so stupid. Sorry for running away but actually I have to run to work! Kisses to everybody Paolo
Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
It took me 6 months to get their names straight - never sure who was Dallas and who was Houston. They were great, big fat, gorgeous kitties. Houston black and sleek, Dallas a fluffy white and gray. Gloria On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Susan Loesch wrote: I'm sure they didn't feel really lucky in those traps, but I bet they felt pretty good about it before long! As it was, the woodsy area where they lived was partially plowed down, the person feeding them moved, and besides being crowed out, it was next to a huge high-traffic shopping center and just off a busy highway -- they probably wouldn't have lasted long there. I named them Dallas and Houston right after they got to Gloria's. I think she kept them at first because I was going out of town -- to Dallas. And then she let them stay. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a great background story, Susan. Thanks to you and then Gloria, these little souls got lucky for the rest of their all-too- short lives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007 Houston and Dallas both were wonderful. I'll never forget trapping them. Dallas got into the first trap - this fluffy little gray and white ball. Then I waited...and waited and waited. Houston would come closer and go away - come closer, then back to the edge of the woods. I was trapping with mackerel and his appetite- thank goodness - finally got the best of him! Got them both in one day. I was sure that Dallas was going to be the first to tame down and that Houston would stay a wild man -- but Houston tamed first and best - he was beautiful, so sleek and black. They were lucky enough to get to live with Gloria and I got to see them often. Dallas was right there across the bridge ready to meet Houston, as was my Leader. How wonderful to think of all three as free and healthy and happy! TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aw, gloria, i'm sorry. GLOW to guide houston to his new place at the bridge, and to heal your heart. MC On 2/9/07, Gloria Lane wrote: My sweet Houston died last night. He came to me from Susan, who worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock. Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV. They were just babies, and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then. That was Spring 2004. They grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of weeks of their lives. Dallas died in September 2006, of mediastinal lymphoma. His bubba Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic, and Susan came over to see him before his passing. They both died after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for sure if that's connected, but I do think it is. They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just wonderful. I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them. They'll be in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr. Black Kitty, and all the rest. Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Chocolate cat needs a name
Chocalaka (Kind of reminiscent of my Calawalla Banana Booboo) Gloria On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Leslie Lawther wrote: I wanted to say that too... I like Ruben. But then I like unusual names... real names. Leslie =^..^= On 2/19/07, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aw...I LIKE Reuben. Afterall, hasn't he gone through enough already without having to learn a new name that his new owners (when he is adopted) will most likely change again anyway? catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: truffle? truffles? Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Hershey? Or Milton? Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gussies mom Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Chocolate cat needs a name I volunteer with a rescue that has taken in cats from a hoarding case. Some have tested FeLV+. One of the cats that tested negative and is awaiting a retest is a cocoa colored cat. He is all brown. I have never seen a cat like this in person. Anyway, his name was Reuben and we are searching for a better name. The possibilitties so far are Cocoa, Chocolate Boy, and Whitman, none of which I care for. If anyone can think of a name for a chocolate colored cat, can you please let me know. You can email me off list if you want. And please keep your fingers crossed he retests negative. Beth Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)
I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with other vaccines. Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives with the FELV vaccine. But I've learned to be open to other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago? They're 10-11 years old now. Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing with the FELV. And they're alive today, and I've never had one live that long. Go figure. Gloria On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote: At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it. I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a known positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was an issue as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of caution, We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes. Kelly the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for vaccines...) so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate. Tracy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007
Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)
BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial? That's what this lady's vet was saying. Gloria On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it was a waste of money and vaccine i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or so ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated! On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with other vaccines. Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives with the FELV vaccine. But I've learned to be open to other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago? They're 10-11 years old now. Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing with the FELV. And they're alive today, and I've never had one live that long. Go figure. Gloria On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote: At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it. I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a known positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was an issue as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of caution, We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes. Kelly the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for vaccines...) so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate. Tracy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Help needed
The Oklahoma vet thought it might help too. I have no idea - but these cats are now 9-10 years old. I should have them tested again, just hate to stress them. There also may be a difference (in the effect on FELV cats) between the various vaccines. Gloria On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:05 PM, catatonya wrote: I personally have never heard of this happening. In fact my vet vaccinated my positive twice saying it might help and couldn't hurt. (This was over 10 years ago..) But many cats are vaccinated without being tested, and unless the cat were already sick and showing symptoms I doubt the vaccine would hurt. I would vaccinate everyone. I don't think it would cause a negative cat to become positive. Just my 2 cents from my experience. t Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases where that has caused a cat to become positive. That was another thing the vet talked to me about. She feels that as long as they are indoors, it is not required to vaccinate as the vaccaine is not 100% guaranteed. Chris - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Help needed At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best friend, mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7 years ago. Kelly : Personally, I would not spend the money to test. If you test you have to retest later, etc I would instead vaccinate everyone as I could afford it. Start with the youngest. They are most susceptible. That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your situation. t Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in the middle of nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the operation threw her into it all or what. We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything. -Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed I don't think anyone can give you odds on that. I would say it would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be positive. If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch. Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? On 2/26/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, different litters, aquired at the same time. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked
Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
Ah, thank you Wendy, how kind to write. So wonderful of all those on this list, bless you all. Gloria On Mar 2, 2007, at 4:49 PM, wendy wrote: Gloria, Forgive me for the tardiness of this post; I am trying to catch up. I am so sorry to hear about Houston. Bless you for caring for him, and for loving him. He and Dallas were both lucky to have you. :) Wendy --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sweet Houston died last night. He came to me from Susan, who worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock. Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV. They were just babies, and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then. That was Spring 2004. They grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of weeks of their lives. Dallas died in September 2006, of mediastinal lymphoma. His bubba Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic, and Susan came over to see him before his passing. They both died after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for sure if that's connected, but I do think it is. They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just wonderful. I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them. They'll be in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr. Black Kitty, and all the rest. Gloria __ __ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: 14 cats going to be tested- Great News
Yup, just what I expected - although I haven't done the testing of 10 + like some of you have. Gloria On Mar 6, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Kelly L wrote: At 06:20 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: Great news and be sure to keep this information and let us share it with so many skeptics,Just like my experience,,all 18 were negative YEAH Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Just wanted to let everyone know we took the gang of 14 in.” Just got home. All the tests came back negative. Not a single cat was positive. Now we have to question on whether or not Elsa was truly positive. We took the cats to another vet. We use 4 actually. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 14 cats going to be tested good luck; i'm glad you found a vet who'd help you out! (you've learned, unfortunately, what we all do--ANYONE can call themselves a humane society--there are no requirements to actually BE one) MC On 3/6/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not looking forward to taking them all in, but we felt we should know. This way at least we can take extra care for any that might test positive. We went out and got lots of carriers. Going to have to take two vehicles. The vet we chose is about 17 miles from us. They gave us a mutiple cat discount but everyone had to go in at once. I appreciate the people on this list taking the time out to comment. I tend to be a loner most times. I am at work at the moment. I work with ALOT of farmers who look at cats as a nuisance here. Makes for some very unpleasant conversations at times here. I have had cats for as long as I remember. I would not trade those friendships for all the human ones in the world. It is always refreshing though to find people who care as much about animals as I do. The Humane Society here said I was not doing the cats any favors by taking in so many, without having them all tested and vaccinated for FELV. We got all the cats at the same time. All abandoned, some even starving. We have had them all spayed/ neutered and had all other shots. We keep them all indoors and keep them clean, well groomed, etc... I would have hoped for a better response from a Humane Society. I had asked them if we bought all the vaccines if they would administer the shots for a donation. I refuse to ever turn a blind eye to an animal in need of help. If that means spending alot of money on them than so be it. -Original Message- From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Mar 6, 2007 3:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: 14 cats going to be tested Sending lots of good vibes for tonight Debbie. Let us know how it goes when you have time. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: 14 cats going to be tested Am taking our 14 cats in tonight to be tested for FELV. This was after we had Elsa put to sleep because of fluid in her lungs and her testing positive. Wish us luck. I don't know what to expect. I'd like to think no one else will test positive, but I doubt that will be the case. All the cats are around the same age (3-4 yrs). Different litters though. Has a genetic factor to this disease ever been found? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date
Re: ovaban and other stuff....
I use PetTinic, along with some other vitamin products - but it does have a bit of sugar in it, so something to be aware of. Gloria On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:15 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: OMG -- let me just say this about Pet Tinic. This is in no way a normal story...but Mama Kitty hated it so bad...she took other meds with no problem..but the last time I gave her Pet Tinic she honest to God had a siezure. I thought she was dead -- gave me a heart attack. Mama Kitty will never have to take that nasty stuff ever again. I've had other cats who just loved it. Not on Mama's menu. elizabeth On 3/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching and calming them down? Debbie I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box, ANYWHERE!!!). But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing town after we had the Three Mile Island incident here [Sorry, my memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I think]. She was just going to dump him in a KILL-SHELTER! And, at the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that fact, he came home - to me He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT. That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.].. And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was diagnosed w/ cancer... Upon necropsy [something I detest], his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was prior to Snap or Elisa testing..) I was devastated... I still wonder about just how they were able to diagnose Felv. () And, he lived w/ me my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends lived to a ripe [healthy] age. On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on many stressed-out cats. And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!! Her nickname was Bald Blossom. After giving her the meds, she was Beautiful Blossom! And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur What dosage were you RX'ed? Improper dosage can lead to many problems. And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is gone I know I am rambling am even going to switch topic, but. For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite [sp?]. It's a flavored gel, I even think it's made by the same mfg. as Laxatone. () Just don't quote me on that.. And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am seriously contemplating having my Buster put on amytryptilline.. He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of my gang are snooty, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was really concerned about Buster. And, he is also a Maine Coon, but now he is a DSH!!! And, he is perfectly healthy, according to my vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies... What's a Mom to do And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to get dear Charity into a carrier.. For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They both put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box Of course, Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby, Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did get adopted while I was in hosp., thank heavens for adoption contracts!!! He made it purr-fectly clear that this was his home] I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet appt., BUT..., upon seeing another human, she went ballistic (I can't drive among other handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier! I knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier. But, she has to be at least semi manageable for vet appt. And, she does not like any person but me!!! And, at least prior to MVA I could draw blood. Now...FORGET IT!!! My room mate even asked why I brought the EVIL CAT in (Her house is in my laundry room and she freaks whenever he goes in there!!!) So just how can I expect a vet staff to handle her??? With me, she's a mush She allows
Re: TN but transport available - URGENT FeLV+ kitten needs foster or home ASAP
I assume this is eastern Tennessee...? On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:59 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: do we know ANYONE who could foster this little one long enough to give her at least the chance to live? (and yes, susan, i DID send on the info re: the vet tech in TX, tho that's a LONG way for such a frail baby!) MC PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST FAR AND WIDE Hi everyone, Precious is a small Torti female kitten that the vet thinks is 4-5 months old even though she is the size of a 3 month old and sadly she has tested positive to FeLV. Currently she is fighting upper respitory and the vet is giving her a 50/50 chance of making it. She is purring and just so sweet so the vet didn't want to euthanize her but she can only stay there over the weekend and by Monday a decision needs to be made. Due to her URI she has not been well enough to be spayed or have her vaccinations but if we can find a foster who has either a spare room or a large crate and can foster her all her medication and Interferon will be provided. Once she is well from her URI we will have her spayed and vaccinated but right now she is just in need of a safe place to rest and get well. We really want to give this sweet girl a chance to live and once she is safe in a foster we will begin to look for a permanent place for her but right now we just need a safe place for her to get well. I am currently set to no mail because of my upcoming cross country move so please do not reply to the group but instead contact Tina or myself directly at the emails or phone number below if you can help. Thank you! Tina in TN [EMAIL PROTECTED] (615) 796-3438 Kim in VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Special needsPet cat toy Rescue Pet animal Pet cat Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: TN but transport available - URGENT FeLV+ kitten needs foster or home ASAP
Easily influenced by MC, of course... Gloria On Mar 12, 2007, at 4:41 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: we've found her a safe place to recuperate--she's doing much better, responding to the meds. HIP HIP MEOW!!! (thanks to our anonymous list member with a penchant for calico felvs..) On 3/10/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do we know ANYONE who could foster this little one long enough to give her at least the chance to live? (and yes, susan, i DID send on the info re: the vet tech in TX, tho that's a LONG way for such a frail baby!) MC PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST FAR AND WIDE Hi everyone, Precious is a small Torti female kitten that the vet thinks is 4-5 months old even though she is the size of a 3 month old and sadly she has tested positive to FeLV. Currently she is fighting upper respitory and the vet is giving her a 50/50 chance of making it. She is purring and just so sweet so the vet didn't want to euthanize her but she can only stay there over the weekend and by Monday a decision needs to be made. Due to her URI she has not been well enough to be spayed or have her vaccinations but if we can find a foster who has either a spare room or a large crate and can foster her all her medication and Interferon will be provided. Once she is well from her URI we will have her spayed and vaccinated but right now she is just in need of a safe place to rest and get well. We really want to give this sweet girl a chance to live and once she is safe in a foster we will begin to look for a permanent place for her but right now we just need a safe place for her to get well. I am currently set to no mail because of my upcoming cross country move so please do not reply to the group but instead contact Tina or myself directly at the emails or phone number below if you can help. Thank you! Tina in TN [EMAIL PROTECTED] (615) 796-3438 Kim in VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Special needsPet cat toy Rescue Pet animal Pet cat Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: another vaccinated positive
Yeow. Maybe that's the trick - to vaccinate them. On Mar 13, 2007, at 7:20 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: to whomever is keeping score just asked a friend, who has a 10-year-old positive (living quite happily with her vaccinated negatives, i might add--she wasn't tested at first, and they'd all been exposed by the time she was, but yearly she tests positive, they don't.) if katie had ever been vaccinated either before or after she was diagnosed as positive... in light of our earlier conversation re: how the longer-lived FeLV seem to have been. yep, she's been vaccinated every year since BEFORE she was vaccinated--her vet never told her not to, and she figured it couldn't hurt -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Questions and concerns
Susan, actually, who's on this list, knows more about it than I do. But as I understand the way we've used it, was to give it daily for about a week, then taper off till you find a point where they're showing symptoms again. Course this was for inappropriate urination, so a little different maybe. I recall one cat that settled in with 1 pill a week after the tapering-off, a very workable time period. I've heard that Prozac is effective, but we've never used it - anybody know about Prozac for cats? Gloria On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:50 PM, catatonya wrote: My cat had nervous type side effects and seemed ill. I gave it up. I have tried the benadryl on this cat too with no effect. t Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad someone brought up Amitriptyline! I have a few very nervous cats and they were prescribed Amitriptyline. I have taken them off the medication because it makes them too tired to be nervous! Has anyone ridden out the side effects to see if they do, in fact, go away after some time?? I always revert back to the quality versus quantity - I would not want to live zonked out Leslie =^..^= On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Medicating with amitriptyline (sp?) helps nervous cats lots of times. Prozac is also sometimes used. As for the FELV vaccine, I don't believe in giving it to adult cats at all. Healthy adult cats develop natural immunity as they approach adulthood. The only time I would use it were if I had a kitten under 1 year old that I knew was going to be exposed to FELV. Then, I would give one shot, and never again. There are no studies that suggest that repeated vaccines increase immunity, and in fact, most trials show that most vaccines produce immunity for life, or at least for many years (depending on the vaccine). (you'll note that us humans don't have to go in for annual smallpox and rubella vaccines) As for rabies, I would not give it more than once every 3 years, and I would NOT use an adjuvanted vaccine, so that means it would have to be Merial's Purevax rabies, as that is currently the ONLY non-advuvanted rabies vaccine. Of course, you have your local and state laws to consider with regards to the rabies vaccine, most places require it legally. More info on vaccines can be found at: http://ucat.us/vaccines.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Transfusion?
In my limited experience, blood transfusions really really can help, for a while. Not traumatic. I think there's a limit on the # of blood transfusions kitty can get, I don't know why. Gloria On Mar 16, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Marissa Johnson wrote: Hi. Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for sick kitties? Two vets now have basically told me that's about the only recourse I have left for trying to turn Slinky around. He seems to be doing a BIT better right now...I took him in and got some Sub-Q fluids (though I haven't started them yet), but I think being outside probably got his fever down a bit. I also gave him some vitamin C, L-Lysine, Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx. He sees a bit more energetic and actually left my bedroom for the first time in days! But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood (low red cell count). I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm going to do some research into costs and payment plan options tomorrow. He's still eating, grooming, etc. so I think he wants to fight...and I told him I'd keep fighting 'till he tells me to stop. Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with transfusions. Do you think it's worthwhile? Is it horribly invasive or traumatic? Is it something that has to be repeated periodically or...? Any info or advice would be most appreciated. Thanks! Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids! MJ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: Questions on Interferon
After my interferon is mixed, I put it in small containers and freeze it. I've read that you can freeze it once. Once unfrozen, I think it lasts 30 days, but I could be off on that - maybe it's 60 days, I'm sure somebody knows. There are many different PRICES for interferon alpha - ranging from very high to low, depending on the vet. I now get it for $15 for a large bottle (about 30 ml, I think?) It serves as an immune system modulator, and works very well for me, in some circumstances. I do daily low dose oral interferon with some FELV cats. I don't do the on =off that some people do. Best of luck, Gloria On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:10 PM, C J wrote: The Vet had another look at Tomi today, a week after his transfusion, and gave me a 500ML bottle of Interferon Alfa-2B 30ui/ ml, that they had just received. His blood count was 17, up from 16 on Monday, which isn't as much as the vet was hoping for, so Tomi's supposed to stay on Prednisone for another week at one pill a day (he's been getting 2 a day so far). Now I shouldn't be giving him the Interferon until he is done taking Prednisone right? The vet said I should probably wait, but wasn't positive as I don't think she's very familiar with Interferon treatment. Another thing, I read something about freezing Interferon. My bottle just says on it to keep refrigerated. Will the Interferon last for months just being refrigerated? Thanks for all the info being shared here, i've learned a lot in the past week. The tip on baby food was a lifesaver, as he's being a very picky eater this last week, turning his nose up even at tuna. The baby food he seems to like though.
Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion
Good luck to you. I have some of the Mega C Plus, I'd try that, would also try daily low dose interferon, which has a variety of prices - ranging from expensive to cheap. The age 2.5 - 3 yrs is a tough time for FELV cats, least it's been for my guys. Give it all you've got. I sure hope they do well. Best wishes, Gloria On Mar 18, 2007, at 7:11 AM, catatonya wrote: I'm sorry for your bad news, but if your cat has hemobartonella and is on antibiotics this is very treatable. Don't give up! I'm sure you've got lots of good info. by now. Hang in there. My positive cat is 7 years old and perfectly healthy. It's not a death sentence! t C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV.
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
Some in our group use Elavil ear cream - to relax a stressed kitty. Also of course, Rescue Remedy, as someone mentioned. Gloria On Mar 18, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Marylyn wrote: Try Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy. The cat is very puzzled as to where he is and why. No one explained this to him. He may be used to staying up at night and have his days and nights confused. If this is so a vet may be able to give the adopter some sort of tranquiller to help the cat get turned around. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long. Hi all, I adopted out a cat on Thursday night. The adopter called me today and said he has been crying all night every night and she hasn't been able to sleep at all. He is fine during the day, very affectionate, likes to give her kisses, but he will not let her sleep. I need suggestions, or else this adopter will return this cat. As he's a black cat, he is not going to have too many options. She is not petting him when he is crying. He is eating and using the litterbox. I don't know how to get this adopter past this. She's willing to try things for a few more days, but I don't think much longer than that. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...)
Just wondering who out there has mixed and had negatives turned positive? Thanks... Gloria On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:34 PM, wendy wrote: This is assuming that the unvaccinated cats were not already born with it or carrying it; we seem to never be able to say for sure that that wasn't the case. This virus is SO frustrating sometimes!!! :) Wendy --- Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a quick point, it is probably safe to mix VACCINATED negatives with your positive. There is at least one list member who had 3 unvaccinated cats turn positive after unknowingly mixing with an felv+... Regards, Beth On 3/19/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donna, A lot of us here mix our positives and negatives, mainly because we did not know we had a positive initially. But once most of us found out, we felt separating the kitties would be more stressful than risking a positive contracting the virus. I don't think many here, if any, have had that happen. I've been a member here for a year and a half. Thus, the general consensus here is that as adult cats, it is difficult to contract the virus. Kittens are much more susceptible, and bite wounds an easier way of contracting. I am not sure what to make of the conflicting test results. We do know that there are a lot of false positives and false negatives, which doesn't help your situation. I've never heard of the PCR Assay test. How many others do you have in your home and how old are they? Do you think they would get along with Elise? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking to the group for experiences on dealing with a cat whose scenario is as written below. I would very much like to hear from anyone who may have experienced, or be currently experiencing, this same thing. Advice and guidance is sought. Here is the dilemma: I have a kitty I rescued at about 12 weeks old around 3 yrs ago. She had a bad uri at the time of rescue but snap combo tested fiv/felv negative. The vet vaccinated her while she will sick with this uri (I wasn't too happy about that myself). I always retest kittens and upon her retest about a month later she came up slight felv+. I had an elisa done which was positive. I had more snap tests done - all of them all came up slight positive. I eventually had an IFA done and a PCR Assay done. The PCR Assay for felv (done with blood, not bone marrow, of course) was negative. All of these tests were done over the course of 2 years (I've had her for 3 yrs now). The last snap combo test I had done - just out of curiosity - was March of last year and that came up slight positive again. Unfortunately, Elise (or Lisee Angel as I call her because she has a big white 'angel' on her back :), has been relegated to the only place I could keep her all this time, which is a relatively small spare bedroom. I had always hoped I'd be able to at least let her integrate at some point with the rest of the house, but her consistent slight felv+ snap combo test worries me too much. Even though the PCR Assay was negative, she keeps testing slight positive on the snap combo test. I am so confused about the more extensive test being negative, but all the lower level tests being positive. I feel so awful that she is stuck in that spare room, and I cannot imagine her having to live her entire life in that one room. I just don't know what else I can do. The dilemma is not really knowing if she is, or is not, felv positive and should she, or should she not, be allowed to integrate with non-positives? Thanks to all, Donna __ __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ __ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats
Which side of Dallas are you on? Gloria On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:04 PM, wendy wrote: Any idea on how to find a feral group who will help me with this? A group close to Dallas? I take great pride in doing new things myself, but this is not something I'm comfortable with and I don't want to hurt the cat. Plus, I don't really know where to find him. When I see him, he's here and there in the neighborhood. Thanks! :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trap him and have him NEUTERED, and then release him. Neutering will greatly decrease his aggressiveness... AND help control pet overpopulation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Zithromax-dosage
With all the discussion of Zithromax - What's the dosage of Zithromax for kittens? I got some Zithromax for a 5 week old kitten (from the pound with URI) the other day and the directions are to give 1ml (2.5 mg) once daily for 14 days. The kitten kind of got sluggish for a couple of hours after the first two days and doses. I decided I wasn't gonna do that, that the dosage isn't right. HOwever, the eye is getting better, btw!!! I read at network.bestfriends.org/Library/Download.aspx?d=41 that the dosage is 5 mg of drug for every 2.2 pounds of cat or 2.3 mg per pound of cat . I'm thinking a better dosage might be to cut back to . 5ml daily... I also noticed at various sites on the web that there are different protocols for administering. This protocol I'm using is daily for 14 days. Some say just one dose, one day. Some are dosing for 3 days, then repeat in a week or so. Any thoughts on that? Thanks! Gloria
Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver
I have some Colloidal Silver, but have never learned to use it appropriately so it sits on my shelf. I know some folks who really like it. I do try a lot of different things. Quackwatch.com has interesting negative info, but is hardly a reliable source of balanced information. I think if it's not approved by the FDA and the AMA, he's negative on it. Gloria On May 12, 2007, at 3:16 PM, MaryChristine wrote: the emperor's new supplement On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, the stuff that turns people BLUE. Love that stuff, the best snake oil treatment in decades! http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/ silverad.html http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html If your cat is a Russian Blue, I suppose it's totally harmless, LOL! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Terramycin big sale at Amazon
I just used it topically (opthalmic) for a kitten with conjunctivitis, bad swollen right eye. Used Zithromax orally. Gloria On May 15, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Chris Behnke wrote: What is Terramycin used for? Thanks, chris - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: Re: OT - Terramycin big sale at Amazon Yes, the astore is a way for Rescuties to get a percentage of the stuff people buy. i need to change that to a general amazon.com link though. Although the astrones are a good idea, I find people are confused by them and it would be better to just link to the front page of Amazon. Amazon pays monthly if you have over $10 in commissinos; if not ,they roll over to the next month. Anyway, the Amazon program is called an affiliate program. Many charities do have the affiliate links on their pages. if you favorite charity does not I would encouage them to set one up as it takes little time to do so and they can generate some income. On 5/12/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You show a link to asore.amazon.com. Is this a link where a charity gets a per cent of the purchases or what? I shop on Amazon a lot and heard there was a way to get contributions similar to the Kroger charity gift cards. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: OT - Terramycin big sale at Amazon Terramycin under $9. Shipping is much cheaper than PetEdge if Terramycin is all you need. http://tinyurl.com/24yy2z -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Please add Muffin and Pookie to the CLS
Please add Muffin and Pookie to the CLS. They were very sweet kitties who were relocated when their caretaker moved away, to another location. Muffin was a female medium long haired kitty, white with black, young, friendly. Pookie was an older kitten who really loved Muffin. They were relocated to a farm, and got under the hood of a car at the new location and were killed. Very sad for us who were trying to get them a better home and away from the Pit Bull dogs that had moved in. Gloria
Please add Trinket to the CLS
Trinket was a white with black kitty, about 16 yrs, and died quietly last night of kidney failure. She lived with an older lady nearby, but the lady became ill last fall, hospitalized for over a month, and had cancer, so she couldn't keep her sweet kitty. I took Trinket into my home and she lived in my living room for several months. She was very content - enjoyed just laying around and looking out the window, and laying on her person when she could, but REALLY liked the men-folks who came in. Within the last few days, her health just went down hill and the kidneys failed. She was a real sweetie. Gloria
Re: Trinket, Muffin and Pookie
I want to say thanks to all - Wendy, Marylyn, Kerry, Dede, Taylor, Phaewryn, Elizabeth, Diane, Terri, and everyone. This is a wonderful list and a great support group. I'm glad I could help Trinket on her way to the Bridge; I deeply regret that I didn't keep Muffin and Pookie; but hindsight is better than foresight, I know that. Thanks for your kind words. Gloria
Re: IBD and metronidazole
For diarrhea, generally my regular vets approach is to start with Flagyl and high-fiber food. Gloria On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oy vey, diagnosis is invasive, generally, and thus Lucy never has had a proper one. To actually diagnose, they need to do an endoscapy, and sometimes they can not definitively diagnose that way either and so need to biopsy a full section of the intestine, which means surgery. What I did with Lucy, and what vets will often do, is tried prednisone to see if she responded favorably to it. When she did, and also responded favorably to raw food, and she had no parasites, etc., we concluded it was IBD. What IBD is very hard to distinguish from, though, is small cell (slow growing) intestinal lymphoma, which is why I am always worried when Lucy seems worse. For a cat who is a recent rescue, though, it could be IBS, which is stress-related rather than related to stress allergies or inflammation like IBD. With IBS, if you can keep the stress under control and calm the cat down, the diarrhea should get better. I think the first thing I would do with a cat with diarrhea that could possible be infectious or parasitic in nature is try a week of flagyl and see if it helps. It can also help with IBD if the IBD is in the lower (large) intestine. If you can, I would also put him on raw food or at least EVO, which is a grainless canned and dry food (grains seem to aggravate IBD a lot). If it does not get better, I would talk to a vet and get a stool sample analyzed for other parasites or bacteria, and then think about food allergies. I would only get the scope or surgical biopsy done as a last resort. Even if lucy does not get better from what I am doing and might have lymphoma, I am going to try to convince the internist to just try the treatment (leukeran, a chemo agent, in addition to the pred), which they give for both small cell lymphoma and severe IBD, and see if helps, rather than put her through the stress of the scope or surgery. Endoscope for stomach or upper intestine is not so bad-- light anesthesia and then a scope without any cutting-- I have had this a few times myself. But endoscope for lower intestine, which is where Lucy's problem is, requires the vet to give the cat several enemas first and, I think, more anesthesia (it's actually like a colonoscopy). Plus once they have been on pred it is harder to differentiate IBD from lymphoma anyway. Michelle In a message dated 9/17/2006 7:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is IBD diagnosed? Blood Work? I have a new rescue I am thinking he might have it but then again he is declawed has litterbox issues and is scared of his own shadow, Thanks Karen
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals -- good news
Whew - glad to hear that. I liked the Vanilla concept. Gloria On May 31, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Hi everyone, just wanted to give you an update on the neighbor situation. I was out back last night and saw my neighbor and told him I'd take care of any pooh issues and to let me know if he has any other issueshe said no no, that is okay. I have calmed down and am not mad at anyone. They are just animals. My wife saw the cat out back yesterday and it went out of the yardI said they are unowned kitties and are afraid of people and I don't let my cats outside. He said I know I know. His wife popped her head out of the window and said not to worry -- they are animals and that happens everywhere. I said I just want to make sure they are happy, and she said we are happy we are happy. Which is all wonderful! I am still going to keep checking tho and cleaning any poop up -- some animal is still pooping down there. Thank you everyone for your wonderful advice! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:24:42 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org What a jerk! A little poop never hurt, and besides, who knows if it's the cats or not? I would definitely keep an eye out on this guy and I would report his threat to the ASPCA in case anything happens to the kitties. I'll be praying for them. Gina wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anita, I'm so sorry. That stinks that your new neighbor is being a jerk. Saying you're going to kill an animal is very serious and cruel. Is it an option for you to speak with the wife when he is not home? Maybe she doesn't know that he did this. Also, could you talk to the ferals the next time you feed them and explain the situation and tell them that this guys is dangerous. Maybe that would help. If this situation gets more serious, there are options, like calling a shelter to have the ferals trapped and moved to someplace safe, or calling the aspca on this guy. Prayers going out that his heart would soften and that the kitties stay out of his path. :) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life
Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
In my experience, with FELV cats, rapid breathing / open mouth breathing can indicate a number of things, including lymphoma. A trip to the vet is certainly in order. There are various options for treatment, certainly, before considering euthanasia. Best of luck Gloria On May 31, 2007, at 4:11 PM, C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra
Re: Update on Kisa
Thanks for the info on FortiFlora - I hadn[t heard of it and will check it out for those of my gang who may need it. Gloria On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Nina wrote: Melissa, Did you see the post about FortiFlora from Jane? You might want to ask your vet about it. Here's a paste from an email I sent to someone else battling diarrhea with her cat: My sister forwarded your update about Sophie to me and I had a thought... Someone on my felv list has a homeopathic vet that she really trusts and a kitty with diarrhea issues. Her vet suggested a probiotic, (which Sophie should be on anyway if she's taking abx), made by all people, Purina. It's called FortiFlora and this vet described the results she's had with it as profound. I did a quick search looking for studies/info besides that provided by the manufacturers and haven't been able to find anything yet, but that's probably because it's a proprietary blend supplement and I'd have to research ingredients rather than the name of the product. Anyway, I'm thinking of ordering it for my gang, (esp my IBD girl Gypsy) and thought you might be interested in checking it out too. It's suppose to promote immunity as well as intestinal health. I found it at EntirelyPets.com for $23.99: http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch? catalog=entirelypetsquery=FortiFlorax=12y=9.autodone=http%3A%2F% 2Fstore.yahoo.com%2Fentirelypets%2Fnsearch.html Melissa Lind wrote: I've got to take our Ashley in tomorrow--still has loose stools. But, she's not FeLV+, so I guess I should move my thoughts on her to the other discussion... Anyways, you made it through Monday--and that's great! Melissa
Re: Belinda ...Giardia information
FYI, I started using Panacur late last year, I think it was, with a couple of kitties with loose stool and l really ilke it. I didn't have any problem with transmission. Didn't do anything extraordinary, just kept the litter boxes clean. Gloria On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:06 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Thanks very much for the research on Giardia. My vet has sent us Panacur as the Metronidazole did not work and she (MeMe) could not tolerate Drontal. We're taking all the recommended precautions to prevent transmission. It is a really difficult one. I appreciate the time you spent on getting us this information. Jane
Re: CLS for Jet
Tad, I'm so sorry. Would that they could all pass on in such love and caring. Sleep soft sweet Jet. Gloria On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:52 PM, Tad Burnett wrote: My sweet black cat Jet just passed away just a few minutes ago June 12, 2007 She is the 5th of the 6 FeLV+ cats from Angel Wings... She has been here with me for 2 years.. She is probably about 5 years old... She has been healthy all the time she was here and enjoyed her life here with Marie and myself and all the other cats... She has been especially close to my feral cat who was just starting to tame when jet came here... Jet most often slept curled up next to me and that's where she was tonight when I felt those now all to familiar little muscle contractions that signals when life has left the body on this earth... I knew her time was coming about a month ago when she started acting like an older cat and slowed down sum but even tonight she was eating but she had been acting quite weak today and only an hour before she passed was the 1st time that she wasn't able to stand up and walk... I pulled her up close to me and she felt comfortable... We all will miss our Jet Cat... Tad and Marie.
Re: Please add Nookie to CLS
Jeni Meer and Cree, My deepest sympathy in your loss. Nookie was a lucky feral. Sleep soft sweet Nookie. Gloria On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:10 PM, JENI RECA wrote: Nookie passed on saturday night. She was a feral we took in a year ago, and though she hide quite a bit she was finally coming out and hanging out near us. She curled up into the little hiding place we made for her under the stairs and passed away peacefully. Thank you for all the support Jeni Meer and Cree _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm
Re: Introduction
Hi Laura, Welcome to the group. I haven't been a frequent contributor recently, but have been on the list since 2001, when I took in FELV kitties Calawalla Banana BooBoo and Mr. Black Kitty (who were meowing at my door steps every morning). I later was fortunate to have Mittens, a sweet gray tabby. All have passed away. Calawalla and Mittens were both young, and died when about 2.5 to 3 yrs old. Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) was of unknown age, and FELV/FIV positive. He died in November 2003, as I recall, but don't know his age. I've had two die since then, last September 2006 - Houston (black DSH) and Dallas (gray and white DLH), both about 2.5-3 years old. They died after I was gone on vacation, and they didn't get their interferon every day. I now have 4 FELV kitties - Oliver, Felicity, Chloe, and B.B. The first 3 are about 10 years old or more, and B.B. is about 4 years old. They are not on interferon. After my first FELV kitty died, I followed the belief of others on this list, Tally, in giving low dose oral Interferon Alpha daily. Tally's web site is still out there, and she has a page on Boots Story - http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/9352/ Note that it's easy because it's oral and tasteless. Interferon can cost a lot (like $65 for a small bottle) or a little (I get a huge bottle for $15.) So there are 4 - no 5 - approaches that I have encountered - 1) Interferon Alpha, 2) Vitamin C, 3) Immuno Regulin, 4) Interferon Omega, and 5) FELV vaccinations. If I acquired an FELV kitty now, less than 3-4 years old, I'd definitely do daily oral interferon. Just my approach. A 2nd approach - Vitamin C therapy, which has been said to make an FELV pos. kitty go negative. Let's see, the web site is http:// www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/9352/ And a 3rd approach, is Immunoregulin, for which there are various protocols for injecting it. Then number 4, there's Interferon Omega, which is not easily available in the US, but you can get a special dispensation from the FDA to use it. I add the 5th approach, because I got 3 cats from a vet tech in Oklahoma, a couple of years ago - and these cats are about 10 years old. Her vet treated ALL of them by doing periodic FELV vaccinations - I don't know the protocol, and most folks I mention it to say it shouldn't work. But these cats are 10 years old, so go figure! The other cat I have now, B.B. , has not received anything, but the person he was with before gave him holy water blessed by an Indian teacher/guru. The FELV web site - felineleukemia.org - has a lot of great info out there. Re mixing - I don't mix my FELV and FELV- cats, but have done that, and would if I didn't have fosters for the local cat rescue - and if I was sure it wasn't dangerous for my FIV+ cats. I just don't believe it's that contagious for healthy neutered cats. Sorry, this is a bit long. Hope it helps a bit, and you'll generally find that this is a really terrific group of wonderful people! Gloria in Little Rock On Jun 14, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: Hi all - My name is Laura and I'm new to this list. I'm also new to FeLV, since I've just adopted an infected cat. I work at an animal shelter here in Georgia, and one of my favorite cats tested positive last week. We had planned to take him to an adoption fair but had to run the test first. Well, Duncan was one of the unlucky ones. He has a terrific personality and I'd grown quite attached to him during his 4 months at the shelter, so I adopted him myself rather than let him be euthanized. Duncan visited the vet today, and aside from slightly swollen lymph nodes, the vet says he looks great. He's extremely energetic, friendly and has a great appetite, and so far there are no symptoms of illness. It was a real surprise when the test came back positive. Cats rarely stay healthy for 4 months at the shelter - they usually contract a URI and, since there is no money in the budget for vet care and no medications, most deteriorate quickly and are euthanized. But we never worried about Duncan; he always seemed so strong and he never got sick. Of course at this point the vet can't give me a definite prognosis - we just have to wait and see what happens. I'm hoping to learn a lot from others on this list, especially what you all have done to keep your cats healthy. Thanks! Laura
Re: Going digest for a while
I understand, Nina, one reason I don't post much is I got so busy with rescue, as well as my sister dying and going thru all her stuff. I'm getting more of my time back, but takes a while to do that. I am very grateful that this list has been, in general, so wonderful and supportive, and that's what I like to envision about it. I'm so glad that you all are here. best of luck to you, Gloria On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Nina wrote: Hi Wendy and all, I'm cc'ing Michelle this, (maybe someone has already sent her a copy of your post to Phaewryn), I'm guessing she'll appreciate it as much as I did. You may have noticed my absence on the list lately... My back is giving me trouble and it makes it hard to sit at the computer for more than a few minutes at a time. Like so many of us, I'm also overwhelmed with rescue efforts, (a young, emaciated pregnant girl, just a kitten herself, showed up in my front yard last Thurs and had her babies on Sat!). I'll be pulling back from the list for at least a while. I'm not sure how much Phaewrn's latest tirade had to do with the decision, but I just don't seem to have the energy to share right now. Maybe it has nothing to do with the changing dynamics of the list at all and it's just a matter of exhaustion and physical pain. I hope I'll be back soon. I feel a little traitorous leaving you all, so many of the old-timers seem to be posting less and less. This list has been a Godsend to me and so many others, I will always be grateful for the support, friendship, information and feeling of HOME that I've experienced here. Much love and good wishes to all of you always, Nina wendy wrote: Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help
Re: Victor Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I am so sorry -sleep soft sweet Victor - Gloria On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most beautiful green eyes lost his battle to felv today.He was living with Camden,the same guy that recently lost Laurel.THis is his 3rd one he lost to this aweful disease.He has such a big heart for adopting the feleuks.I really though Victor was going to make it much longer.Thank you all for your support. Sherry and her 5 beautiful fur kids Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: overvaccination
This is pretty interesting. I've heard for quite a while about the 3 year protocol, but out rescue still promotes a yearly protocol (although I don't do that). Was wondering about a good reference for this. I checked out the newvaccinationprotocols.com below, but see a lot of data without links. But particularly interesting is the info on the adjuvant stuff - not sure what we use, I know it's from Ft Dodge (Wyeth Labs)... Non adjuvanted vaccines cause much less inflammation, so are less likely to cause a fibrosarcoma. Although there have been a few reports of VAS from non adjuvanted vaccines, they are clearly much safer. Gloria On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 AM, MaryChristine wrote: just go and do a search for avma vaccination protocols. you'll at least get PROFESSIONAL references. not that that means they are impartial, but at least they're a little better than a lot that gets passed around on the net--for example, ALL the vet schools in the country have adopted the every-three-year protocol, at least within the past year, if not longer ago. so any vet who doesn't know about it is not keeping up with their own profession. this article, which i'd never seen before, i found PARTICULARLY fascinating http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/Legal%20Considerations.htm On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my
Re: Question re treatment differences ?????
Interferon Alpha and Roferon are the same thing - I think Roferon is a brand name. Island Pharmacy sells interferon Alpha in pre-loaded syringes that you can order for oral administration for your FELV kitty. See http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212 Immunoreglan is different. It's administered by IV, or Intramuscular injection, or sometimes I've heard that injecting it sub-q is helpful (I've done this). Think you can order this without a prescription. I can't remember who I ordered this from. Seems like it was about $300. Gloria in Arkansas On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Sheila Coyle wrote: Is immuno-reglan or interferon and rolferon all the same thing ??? Thank you. Sheila Nebraska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I'm so sorry... she sounds like a wonderful friend. Sleep soft sweet Suzie. Gloria On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
OT: Staff infection treatments
Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a STAFF INFECTION on his foot. THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no luck. I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments and found: Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil (cream) , etc etc. Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff? Gloria
Re: Staff infection treatments
She's using Naxcel. Gloria On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: What antibiotic are they using now for his staph? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: OT: Staff infection treatments Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a STAFF INFECTION on his foot. THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no luck. I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments and found: Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil (cream) , etc etc. Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff? Gloria
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
That's what I've heard re FIP - the genetic predisposition. And re the stats on FELV, even if you find it, can you find what it's based on? It's easy to throw stats around without much basis. Course I guess I shouldn't complain too loudly, I'd really rather they didn't do a research study on FELV cats by intentionally infecting a bunch of cats with FELV and then killing them... :( Gloria On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:40 PM, MaryChristine wrote: the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's me.) as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate. (and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true. To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. From another Vet Website, again written in 2002: http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death. This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm 3) Verify FIP through histopathology. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: Staff infection treatments/IR
Ya know, I noticed the thread about IR - suggested that to Susan yesterday, as something to talk to the vet about - going the IV route with it. We have a couple of vets who are open to that sort of thing... We've both used IR both intramuscular and sub-q, and it's helped with other situations, as an immune system booster. Gloria On Jun 29, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: I agree. I was going to say the same thing: it depends on the strain of staph. If it's MRSA you have to really get out the big guns, and fast. Staph can easily be deadly. Humans sometimes need to mainline antibiotics. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: not offhand, gloria, but i think a lot of it has to do with what strain of staph--that's the one that is rapidly developing resistance to EVERY antibiotic in humans, and i expect it's the same thing in critters. On 6/28/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a STAFF INFECTION on his foot. THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no luck. I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments and found: Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil (cream) , etc etc. Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff? Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
I'm so sorry, Cassandra, I know how awful it feels to lose a baby from anemia and/ or lymphoma. And to be haunted by the way they die. But I do find that sometimes what haunted me can change in my perspective and no longer haunt me. Tomi was so fortunate to have found you. May you find blessings in your memories of Tomi. Gloria On Jun 24, 2007, at 3:05 PM, C J wrote: I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra
Re: Ki
I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede. I notice you say you're in a rural area - is there any possibility of getting him to a vet? He may have fluid in his chest that could be drawn off with a needle. It makes them more comfortable. just a possibility, but something I always check into when my FELV kitties have breathing problems. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:54 AM, dede hicken wrote: ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
pleh? On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Yup, Sigh, time files... On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:43 PM, MaryChristine wrote: wow, gloria, it's been that long? she's such a beauty--i have a photo of her in my files! of course, i guess it is it was 2003 when we did the trip from houston back to MI argggh. MC On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats
Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!
Terri, just going back and reading some of the messages I've missed. Sure sorry to hear about your husband, and hope all is going well. Thoughts and prayers coming for you. Gloria On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm on) Hello all, I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen when you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance. It is very dangerous. Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a brush mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking for items that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't get. Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen it at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him on his right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call 911 for help he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital and had x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this happened. My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency surgery on him. I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other bone surgeries. One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned back to his room about 9:15 pm last night. The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below the elbow. He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating in his arm. Did what he could do for him at this point. Only time will tell. Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the 60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess blood from the area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. I did noticed his blood pressure was high. So he will be in the hospital for at least some time. He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the damage and try to repair more of his arm. By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured. Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty on the 19th of this month. Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being off for almost a year. Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do. Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. That he makes full recovery. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Ki is an Angel
Dede, I am So.o.o sorry that you're baby has gone on to the Bridge. I know he's still with you in many ways, what a blessing. My thoughts are with you and Ki. Gloria It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. ...
Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella
I buy nutritional yeast in bulk at the health food store - I love it, used to give it to the kitties and forgot till you reminded me, so will start that again... so Thanks! Gloria On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Also, try some Brewer's Yeast sprinkled onto their food. Most cats REALLY love brewer's yeast. My Tabitha will steal the pills from my nightly vitamin nightcap. It's full of B vitamins, can't hurt them. I sprinkle a tablespoon onto all of my cats dry bowls after I fill them up. (They have REALLY big bowls, REALLY big) I used the TwinLab SuperRich Yeast Plus. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella Look at the information Caroline has re anemia. It may not apply to the specific kind Isabella has but the food--raw chicken livers and lean, raw hamburger (yuck)--may make her feel better. So may the supplements. Check with her. A personal note: Doxy makes my stomach very upset and I need lots of probiotics when I am taking it. I have to believe it does the same to a cat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
How did you get the Acemannan? Gloria in Arkansas On Jul 8, 2007, at 10:47 AM, elizabeth trent wrote: I'm pretty sure that Acemannan bought Mama Kitty an extra year with a good quality of life. It helped her appetite too. elizabeth On 7/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies.
Re: Technical issues with FeLV/does anyone know the moderator personally?
Thanks, Kat - I hadn't kept up with what folks are calling the OT list - so appreciate the update/reminder. Also the info on James - I like to remind people to be gentle with folks in email communications - because you never know what's going on with someone, you just get typed messages. I'd wondered about James, and hope and pray he hangs in there and his health improves - we used to hear more from him, a few years ago - thanks so much for that info. Gloria On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Kat wrote: ... If I remember correctly, James's health isn't the best and he's been very busy I believe he is also legally blind, so please be patient with him, and the rest of us. We are one of the most caring list families around. Kat (Mew Jersey)
Re: FELV kittens
I give it to my cats, have for years - not every day, just occasionally. FYI -GLoria On Jul 12, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Melissa Lind wrote: My heart goes out to you Heather. You are such a kind and compassionate person—it’s so frustrating to run into people who aren’t understanding or who are downright cruel. I live in Nebraska, and my home is full (with 5 negative kitties), but if I can think of any way to help you, I’ll let you know. Have you tried Best Friends in Utah? They took my FeLV kitty this past May. Good luck with your endeavors! Keep us posted. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Wienker Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FELV kittens Hello- I am new to this group, having trapped an injured Mom kitty at my new job, who turned out to be FELV FIV positive and a nursing Mom. This was in April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks of changing jobs, I work with ferals and it's been one of those years...it's especially sad as I'm told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was not injured at the time, they got a kitten from her that was negative (so she may have been as well), and she went back out unspayed even though they (incorrectly) thought she was declawed. This whole thing could have been avoided, and Mom is a very sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this world. She has an eye and ear injury and is very meek and depressed. Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both FELV FIV, two only + for FIVsadly, they have now retested + for leukemia. Three cleared the FIV, the fourth may have as well but the person who has him has not retested yet (I have no control over this unless I take the kitten from her permanently and have not been able to find a foster, I have no room whatsoever myself, it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of impasse in dealing with the ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them asap and me only having a sanctuary option available a little further down the road). The kittens are approx. 4 months old and very social. We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes and the ladies who currently have them had given me until June 30 to find homes or fosters or they would have them euthanized. They haven't done so yet but one is taking hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats) sanctuary this Sunday, which I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely social and has lived indoors since 5 weeks of age, though of course I appreciate the help of a reputable sanctuary. I don't have much time on the one kitten, but will continue to search for homes for the other 3; two of them have been together all this time and are very bonded, those are the two who initially were only FIV+ but retested positive for leukemia. I know this is confusing, but basically, 4 FELV+ kittens need homes, two need a home together. All have been tested twice but the 4th whom I do not have in my posession...it's been a difficult situation without going into it further on dynamics. I am heavily involved with multiple colonies and have exhausted all of my rescue friends/ resources as far as fosters or homes go for the many kitties I am trying to help, including these guys who are difficult to place as FELV+. If anyone knows persons who might be interested in adopting one or two FELV+ kittens from Tampa, Florida, please pass this along. Thank you all for loving FELV+ Kitties! -- Heather
Re: Wallace with the angels now
What a lovely guy, that Wallace, what character in that face - I'm so sorry for your loss,Jean - how fortunate to die with you, who loved him . Blessings, Gloria On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Jean wrote: Greetings, folks. I'd like to thank everybody for the support and suggestions through my Wallace's brief-but-terminal illness. I'm sorry to report that he left this world on July 4 at 6:40PM, in my arms. My LJ post is here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/68839.html and a portrait I'd taken last year is here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/69444.html I love digital photography, and it's made great portraits of my kitties possible. If you try, make sure you have a macro function (it's usually the little flower on a button) so you get their little faces in focus. This is a wonderful group of people, and I'm grateful for all the help and support I got. I joined because I was trying to help a FeLeuk cat (not mine) find a home, and one of you wonderful people took Aries in and from all reports, he's happy and healthy. I salute the good work you all do, caring for these kitties. Again, thanks. -Jean __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: OT: sancturaries for special needs
I saw a nice list the other day, but can't remember where - will have to look. Never heard of FORLs, what's that? Have you tried any of the recipes in Dr. Pitcairn's book for her? Gloria On Jul 13, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knew of sanctuaries that will take special needs kitties. My poor Ashley (foster kitty) still has diarrhea, and they suspect she has feline odontoclastic resorptive lesions (FORLs). I want to find a good home for her, but right now I’m not able to find anyone around here who’ll take on a special needs kitty. I just want her to get as much attention as she deserves. She’s not FeLV (tested twice), and she seems healthy otherwise. I don’t mind taking care of her, but we have 5 kitties in the house (2 that need homes), and now we’re expecting (me, not any kitties). I’m not sure how we’ll all fit into the house down the road. There’s constant wrestling and fighting all night long (play fighting), and I just need to alleviate a little stress. I love our two foster babies, but I know we can’t handle 5 forever (financially or emotionally) until we have a bigger home and more $! Melissa
Re: FELV kittens
Since 2001, I've had 9 FELV+ kitties (I have to list them: Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mittens Mr. Black Kitty, Dallas, Houston, Felicity, Chloe, Oliver, B.B.). The first 5 are now dead, all but one died at age 2.5-3 years. Actually I never know how old Mr. Black Kitty was - he looked old, but probably was not. The last 4 are alive, and 3 of them are over 10 years old (and have had the virus a while, before I got them). B.B. is 4+ years old. I have not had any live past 2.5-3 years old. if I got any more that were younger than that age, I'd put them on daily low-dose oral interferon alpha, with the theory that the dose supplements what their body isn't successfully creating to support the immune system. Gloria On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:53 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Statistically - about 2/3 of kitties who are exponsed to the virus end up throw off the virus - and, I believe that chances are better if a kitty is older when they are actually exposed to the virus. There is no way for us to know how reliable this statisic informaiton is -- but we know that it does happen.. Though your kitty may not throw off the virus, it does not mean the immediate death sentense... There are many people on the list whose felk kitties live for a long time healthfully -- so , please don't be in despair.. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: Re: FELV kittens Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer an email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I feel very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten about a month ago, I discovered this site and have been reading everything possible trying to understand these diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have a little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so intelligent, so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+... My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV comes through the queen there is a chance the kittens could beat the disease with good diet and environments, no stress and could someday test negative. If there is anyone out there that can give people in our situation some hope our kittens can beat this disease please share what you know that we do not...Thank you. Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding someone wonderful enough to help you with those kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska --- Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello- I am new to this group, having trapped an injured Mom kitty at my new job, who turned out to be FELV FIV positive and a nursing Mom. This was in April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks of changing jobs, I work with ferals and it's been one of those years...it's especially sad as I'm told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was not injured at the time, they got a kitten from her that was negative (so she may have been as well), and she went back out unspayed even though they (incorrectly) thought she was declawed. This whole thing could have been avoided, and Mom is a very sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this world. She has an eye and ear injury and is very meek and depressed. Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both FELV FIV, two only + for FIVsadly, they have now retested + for leukemia. Three cleared the FIV, the fourth may have as well but the person who has him has not retested yet (I have no control over this unless I take the kitten from her permanently and have not been able to find a foster, I have no room whatsoever myself, it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of impasse in dealing with the ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them asap and me only having a sanctuary option available a little further down the road). The kittens are approx. 4 months old and very social. We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes and the ladies who currently have them had given me until June 30 to find homes or fosters or they would have them euthanized. They haven't done so yet but one is taking hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats) sanctuary this Sunday, which I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely social and has lived indoors since 5 weeks of age, though of course I appreciate the help of a reputable sanctuary. I don't have much time on the one kitten, but will continue to search for homes for the other 3; two of them have been together all this time and are very bonded, those are the two who initially were only FIV+ but retested positive for leukemia. I know this is confusing, but basically, 4 FELV+ kittens need homes, two need a home together. All have been tested twice but the 4th whom I do not have in my posession...it's been a difficult situation without going into it further on dynamics. I am heavily involved with multiple colonies and have exhausted all of my rescue friends
Re: FELV kittens
Yup, not stated very well. These four were over 3 years when I got them. Gloria On Jul 14, 2007, at 8:55 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: .I have not had any live past 2.5-3 years old. Hi Gloria--not sure what you mean---you have 3 positives that are over 10, right? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FELV kittens Since 2001, I've had 9 FELV+ kitties (I have to list them: Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mittens Mr. Black Kitty, Dallas, Houston, Felicity, Chloe, Oliver, B.B.). The first 5 are now dead, all but one died at age 2.5-3 years. Actually I never know how old Mr. Black Kitty was - he looked old, but probably was not. The last 4 are alive, and 3 of them are over 10 years old (and have had the virus a while, before I got them). B.B. is 4+ years old. I have not had any live past 2.5-3 years old. if I got any more that were younger than that age, I'd put them on daily low-dose oral interferon alpha, with the theory that the dose supplements what their body isn't successfully creating to support the immune system. Gloria On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:53 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Statistically - about 2/3 of kitties who are exponsed to the virus end up throw off the virus - and, I believe that chances are better if a kitty is older when they are actually exposed to the virus. There is no way for us to know how reliable this statisic informaiton is -- but we know that it does happen.. Though your kitty may not throw off the virus, it does not mean the immediate death sentense... There are many people on the list whose felk kitties live for a long time healthfully -- so , please don't be in despair.. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: Re: FELV kittens Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer an email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I feel very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten about a month ago, I discovered this site and have been reading everything possible trying to understand these diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have a little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so intelligent, so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+... My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV comes through the queen there is a chance the kittens could beat the disease with good diet and environments, no stress and could someday test negative. If there is anyone out there that can give people in our situation some hope our kittens can beat this disease please share what you know that we do not...Thank you. Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding someone wonderful enough to help you with those kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska --- Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello- I am new to this group, having trapped an injured Mom kitty at my new job, who turned out to be FELV FIV positive and a nursing Mom. This was in April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks of changing jobs, I work with ferals and it's been one of those years...it's especially sad as I'm told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was not injured at the time, they got a kitten from her that was negative (so she may have been as well), and she went back out unspayed even though they (incorrectly) thought she was declawed. This whole thing could have been avoided, and Mom is a very sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this world. She has an eye and ear injury and is very meek and depressed. Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both FELV FIV, two only + for FIVsadly, they have now retested + for leukemia. Three cleared the FIV, the fourth may have as well but the person who has him has not retested yet (I have no control over this unless I take the kitten from her permanently and have not been able to find a foster, I have no room whatsoever myself, it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of impasse in dealing with the ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them asap and me only having a sanctuary option available a little further down the road). The kittens are approx. 4 months old and very social. We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes and the ladies who currently have them had given me until June 30 to find homes or fosters or they would have them euthanized. They haven't done so yet but one is taking hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats) sanctuary this Sunday, which I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely social and has lived indoors since 5 weeks of age, though of course I appreciate the help of a reputable sanctuary. I don't have much time on the one kitten, but will continue to search for homes for the other 3; two
Re: stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs
Is she pooping and peeing ok? On Jul 15, 2007, at 10:07 AM, catatonya wrote: It sounds as if she's having seizures of some sort? Thoughts and prayers coming your way. tonya laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Tonight I thought Isabella was dead when I arrived. She was lying very still under the futon. When I trouched her, she cried out. When I moved her a little closer to me she cried more and seemed very upset. It looked like her legs were having spasms. She moved very slowly and stiffly. She did crouch ~ still under the futon ~ and lick gravy off the canned food. Later, another caretaker went to check on her because I was worried. She called me and said Isabella was dead ~ she was on her back, legs straight in the air. I headed over and she called me back and said she was moving. She eventually came out and walked around, licked gravy and ate a few bites of food. She was her old friendly self, talking and rubbing. Has anyone else experienced these symptoms? Isabella has (short) history of high fever and anemia. She has more recently cut back on food intake despite taking prednisone.I planned to take her in tomorrow for weight and fever check. Vet not there tomorrow so I may wait until Friday for physical exam. Foster mom said she cried out last night when she touched her front legs. Vet plans to put her on an appetite stimulant that you give every 3 days. I don't remember the name. any input greatly appreciated... Laurie
Re: Monkee is gone
I'm so sorry, Caroline, for your loss of sweet Monkee, I am thinking of you. I agree, I don't like taking them to a strange vet clinic for their last moments. I use Rescue Remedy some too, for me and for pets. You and Monkee was so lucky to have been together for a while, it's something that changes you and lives on with you in a very good way. Thanks for your compassion and for being a part of this group . Blessings, Gloria On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with my Mom standing next to my side. At about 2:30 a.m. We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m. I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing. I didn't know he was that bad. I feel so bad. It was so horrible. He was having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by holding him and giving him flower essences. He had begun to have trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like walk around). I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I failed him. He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening. We were on my bed and I was holding him. He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped. When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too. I think the only thing that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took it right away. It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him. I think the rescue remedy helped my breathing at that time. I just held him afterwards and talked to him and pet him and kissed him for about two hours. I told him how wonderful he was and that I would never be the same without him. I walked around the house, sat with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time to hold him while sitting on the front steps. I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's wrenching in half. I feel guilty and traumatized. I am having a hard time erasing the memories of his passing. When I close my eyes, I see his face as he took his last breath. I don't how to recover from that. I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in. I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them the peace and love that they so desperately need. I admire those of you who take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to keep doing the work that you do. My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and your babies. I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I will be praying for you now. I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it. When I found him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago. And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore. It took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat. Something bad must have happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to have belong to someone. He was deathly afraid of men and it took until probably about this past year for that fear to almost subside. I don't think anyone else in my life (other than myself) believed that he'd ever be trusting, cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he was with me. The first time I turned on my radio and my tv after I had brought him into my life, he freaked out and hid under the bed for hours. After lots of love and being spoiled rotten, and having four years to experience as many things as possible, he had truly become my best friend. He would comfort me when something went horribly wrong in my life and the past 4 years have been pretty turbulent for me so he had a lot of comforting to do. He was what always cheered me up when I was at my lowest low and he was what kept going. He slept on my bed with me every night and even when I was just away for one night, I would miss him and miss having him there in the morning to wake up with. I am going to miss him so much. I also wanted to say Thank You for being such an instant support group for Monkee and I. We really needed help these past few weeks
Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatment
i wouldn't give ANYTHING to kitty that I didn't know was safe. Some substances can be very toxic. If she has herpes, give Lysine - it's a proven winner. If I were trying to address the FELV visue, what I usually use it Interferon or ImmunoRegulin. Would *NOT* do Valtrex without more info, and my gut reaction is it doesn't sound like a possibilitly. Gloria On Jul 29, 2007, at 1:42 AM, Quentin Sonnier wrote: I have a sweet little black with white tip girl and I took her to the vet to get treated and wormed. We had her tested and she had a very faint positive for FeLV. I've been reading up on treatments and anti virals and I was wondering if it would be a good/ bad idea to give her low dose of valtrex? Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. The kitten is about 4 months old and VERY energetic. Quentin Sonnier __ __Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Plz add Felicity to the candlelight service
We received 4 FELV kitties from a lady in Oklahoma back in 2005. They were all about 8-9 years old at that time. One died shortly after, a very fat sweet kitty but think the move upset her and she stopped eating. Long story. Felicity died 2 days ago - the morning of July 27. She had been going downhill and was anemic. She was a shy kitty, about 10-11 years old. She was not easy to medicate, was not much into human contact, but was a pretty white girl with black ears and tail. She leaves her pals Oliver and Chloe, both 10-11 years old, and her new friend B.B. (about 4 yrs old). Chloe and I sat with Felicity quite a while as she was gently fading away. She will be missed. Gloria
Re: Plz add Felicity to the candlelight service
Thanks, Glenda - they came from a lady in Oklahoma whose baby go severly ill, and she needed to rehome her cats. B.B. is a new addition and is FELV+ and FIV+ - looks good though! Gloria On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:59 AM, glenda Goodman wrote: Gloria, I'm very sorry to hear of your loss. I can tell Felicity had a good life with you. Bless your heart! May, when it is our time to go, we are as lucky as Felicity was to be surrounded by so much love... Is B.B. a new addition to your family and is she/he, FeLV+. Are Chloe and Oliver doing well? It sounds like these original kitties came from the same home...was it from someone elderly or who has since passed away? Anyway, you are an angel, I might add... Glenda --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We received 4 FELV kitties from a lady in Oklahoma back in 2005. They were all about 8-9 years old at that time. One died shortly after, a very fat sweet kitty but think the move upset her and she stopped eating. Long story. Felicity died 2 days ago - the morning of July 27. She had been going downhill and was anemic. She was a shy kitty, about 10-11 years old. She was not easy to medicate, was not much into human contact, but was a pretty white girl with black ears and tail. She leaves her pals Oliver and Chloe, both 10-11 years old, and her new friend B.B. (about 4 yrs old). Chloe and I sat with Felicity quite a while as she was gently fading away. She will be missed. Gloria __ __ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: Plz add Felicity to the candlelight service
I can't take credit! I got these from a former vet tech in Oklahoma -- the only thing they did differently is the vet vaccinated them for FELV every year. Everybody says that shouldn't have an effect, but hey they're doing pretty well. Gloria On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:09 AM, catatonya wrote: Gloria, I'm sorry to read about Felicity. But I must say you are doing very well with your positive cats that they are living such long lives. take care, tonya Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We received 4 FELV kitties from a lady in Oklahoma back in 2005. They were all about 8-9 years old at that time. One died shortly after, a very fat sweet kitty but think the move upset her and she stopped eating. Long story. Felicity died 2 days ago - the morning of July 27. She had been going downhill and was anemic. She was a shy kitty, about 10-11 years old. She was not easy to medicate, was not much into human contact, but was a pretty white girl with black ears and tail. She leaves her pals Oliver and Chloe, both 10-11 years old, and her new friend B.B. (about 4 yrs old). Chloe and I sat with Felicity quite a while as she was gently fading away. She will be missed. Gloria
Re: OT: Brewer's Yeast
I use it for myself and for the kitties. I buy it in the form nutritional yeast at the health food store. It's tasty - I put it on noodles and so forth for seasoning. And, I also at times sprinkle it on the kitty dry food. It's got B vitamins, in particular. I don't measure it, just kind of sprinkle it on - a shaker thing would be good. Sometimes i just get a spoonful and apply it that way. Hope this helps - Gloria On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I hate to do this to you guys again because I know there's been discussion about this before, but who uses Brewer's Yeast and what does it do? I bought some yesterday and want to try it out my outdoor Lil Girl that I feed, my foster cat- Izzee, my mom's cat Tally and the malnourished rescue we are currently treating. I know it says it's a supplement and packed with vitamins, but is there anything in particular it is good for? I also thought someone said to be careful with it and very gradually introduce it to the cats food? Or am I making that up? Insight from people currently using it is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Caroline A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here.
Re: SUSAN AND FIRE CATS
I'm SO sorry to hear about the fire - I've been away on vacation and haven't been reading my mail. Yeow, what an awful thing for her and her cats to endure. Here's hoping and praying for her remaining 3 missing cats. Gloria On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Kelly L wrote: Just wanted to pass on that Susan Hoffman has been able to capture all but 3 of the cats since her home burned down,,they are getting placed all over,,and right now her biggest need is a larger place to live in the bay area of California,,, Thanks for all the good thoughts and she says Thanks to all her email and cell are not in great shape no so I am communicating with her,,, Thanks for the god thoughts. Kelly Lane
Re: Inky is 21 now!!!!
Kerry, that's wonderful - wow, 21 yrs old! Happy Birthday to Inky from here in Arkansas! Gloria On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Kerry Roach wrote: Hi everyone, I haven't been here in awhile, and I do see there are many new people..So just want you all to know (those of you that remember us) that Inky turned 21 last Thursday..I know he isn't felv+, but you guys helped me with some of his problems while I was dealing with my Bandy's illness. We are always thankful for your knowledge and compassion for our fur babies. Inky had blood work about 3 wks ago and his hyper-t has gotten worse, but the increase in meds is working again so far...kidney values are still high, but better...and the ibd is doing ok.. so he is my shining star.. Bandy has been gone little over 6 months now and I miss him so..He will always be with me. My best to you all and I hope all your babies are doing well today..If we can ever help, please email me direct..I am going to try to catch up. If any of my experiences with Bandy (who was FIV+ and Felv+) I would be glad to offer what I can. We dealt with alot of different things. Our best to you all, Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Lil Rascal, Buster, Snoopy, Striper, Albert and Alberta Inky and the rest of the crew Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
Re: Whitey
I certainly agree with that - no guilt! The kitty needs help and wasn't getting it. He's lucky to find you. Gloria On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: As far as the feeling guilty is concerned--anyone who lets their cat get into that condition doesn't deserve to have an animal of any type. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Whitey View full size View full size For those of you without the history, Whitey came to me about six months ago relatively permanently. She showed up and just sort of stayed. When she came, she was boney (You could feel its ribs) and her long white fur was literally in huge mats all over her body. After months of feeding and brushing, I got her fur cleaned up and she put on a few pounds. Last night I went to feed her and found her so disoriented she couldn't even stand up, so Jeff took her to the vet this morning, and this is where the story picks up... Ok, guys. Jeff just got back from the vet with Whitey. Here's what we learned. (Pictures Attached.) She is a He LOL He is about 10-12 years old. He has not been neutered. :( He has a severe inner-ear infection. He has a grade 3 heart murmur He has advanced/severe gingivitis. Needs several teeth pulled. FeLV/FIV NEGATIVE. (Thank God for something!) He also has hyperthyroidism. They found a benign tumor on his thyroid. We're starting with oral antibiotics to get the ear infection cleaned up. They drew blood for a thyroid and kidney check, as well as a fecal sample.Doc wants to get the ear infection cleared up before we start with thyroid medicine and such to make sure its not the infection causing all those other problems.He also wanted to wait on vaccines until we get everything else cleared up. They cleaned his ears and clipped his nails today. He's going back for vaccines/teeth pulling when we get the infection cleared up. Now here's the dilemma. First of all, I'm starting to feel bad about taking someone else's cat. He just wandered to the house and sorta stayed, but he does go home from time to time for a few hours, but is always at teh house at night and in the morning for food. I *think* I know who he belongs to, but I'm not certain. The vet says he must stay indoors (at least for now) due to the severe infection and his imbalance, otherwise they said he couldn't run from cats/dogs or cars, he's very much at risk right now, so he's going in my Sun Room, which I suppose will become the kitty suite. What do you guys think? I don't think I should feel bad for taking him, for the simple fact that if someone is so irresponsible a pet owner that they'd let him get in that shape, do they really care or deserve to own an animal? I really do think its in HIS best interest that he stays with me, but again, he doesn't technically belong to me, so its a dilemma. What do you guys think? Another issue I'm having is his FeLV negative status. With two positives in the house, what do I do? For now he's going to be isolated in the sunroom where he's safe, but if I keep him long term, should I let him back outdoors? I just don't know what to do. I really don't feel good about mixing him with the positives and exposing him to FeLV. My other negative had already been exposed before I knew. But this is a totally different situation. I could keep him isolated til he's better, then let him back out, that's one option. Another option is mixing :( I really can't see leaving him in the sunroom the rest of his life, that just wouldn't be fair. I'd appreciate input/opinions, guys. Michael Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: blood transfusion
Similar with my vet - limited # of transfusions. But it didn't have any ill effects on mine, only positive, then after a time they went down again. Gloria On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: The vet I was taking Monkee to wouldn't do more than 2 transfusions. We only did one. When it wore off, it wore off bad. I realize now that Monkee was suffering much more than he let on and I just didn't know it at the time because he was such a toughie, with a real zest for life. I think psychologically, when you have a very anemic cat, the blood transfusion effects can be really hard to deal with. Monkee had lymphosarcoma at the same time and I wonder now if that was causing him pain and difficulty more than the anemia. In the future, I personally would only consider multiple transfusions (ignoring the cost for the sake of my hypothetical) maybe if anemia is the only thing a cat is suffering from. In hindsight, I feel like we were keeping something going that shouldn't have kept going and I think the fact that he died in my arms before we could even get him to a vet exactly 14 days after the transfusion, was proof of that. His body literally was not making and red blood cells at all and he needed that replacement blood to even function. But it's just a replacement and the body uses it up. So psychologically, it was really hard on me to see this cat I loved more than anything be normal again for a while just because he'd been given some replacement blood. And then to witness the effects of the transfusion wearing off slowly...very hard to endure. I just think doing a blood transfusion really needs to be thought through, especially if you have a cat who's Felv and anemia is maybe the least of his problems...like it was in Monkee's case. -Caroline Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:05:48 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: blood transfusion I do know of one cat that has had many transfusions, more than 5, I think it was one of Hideyo's cats, I seem to remember her posting it on the anemia list I'm on. I believe it was because the epogen quit working or her vet thought the cat had developed aiitbodies. I will write her and ask to double check, this cat is alive and well though still with an extremely low HCT, she is doing good. The vets can't figure out what is causing her anemia. Did you get the answers you needed? Speaking specifically about anemic cats who are FeLV+, blood transfusions are probably given every 10 days, and probably not more than 3 times. This is only knowledge I have gleaned from what I've seen here in the past two years and might not be completely right. Some vets won't even do more than 2 transfusions. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! Try now!
Re: Litterboxes/baking soda
I've used Baking Soda in my litter boxes on and off for several years. It's great - have to remember to get some more, now that you've reminded me. Gloria On Oct 20, 2007, at 10:01 PM, wendy wrote: You guys are probably going to think I'm crazy, but I actually use baking soda for deodorant. I've been trying to find a good deodorant that does not contain aluminum, which is supposed to be bad for us, and never could. Anything I did find did not work very well. I was reading online about deodorant because I began to notice that only my right armpit was having body odor all of a sudden, when I never have had much before, and read that bacteria can build up and block your pores. I read that baking soda is a great, safe alternative, and have been using it for about two months now and am very happy with it. I don't have that odor anymore, and I don't even have to use it everyday, believe it or not. I hope I didn't gross anyone out with my TMI, but I think it's a great alternative if you're looking for one and good info. to pass on. So I'm assuming it's safe for kitties to mix it in with litter. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need some help
So it was Emancipet (at Emancipet.org) that called the police and confiscated her pets?Gloria On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:04 PM, MaryChristine wrote: have spoken with nina; she's got a call into hideyo right now. keeping all paws crossed here MC On Nov 9, 2007 11:04 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I happened to email Hideyo last night and got a reply this morning, but I don't know where she's at with her legal hassles. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help Hi MC, I think Nina's been in contact with Hideyo... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, MaryChristine wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:24 -0500 From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help has anyone spoken with hideyo lately? i know she'd been having hassles of her own, so i wasn't sure about contacting her yesterday--but if anyone knows that's she's okay, i've got her number and can give it to kelley. On Nov 9, 2007 9:52 AM, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Kelley, Did you keep any of the info Michelle Lerner had given to Hideyo back when she was having legal troubles?? That will at least give you a start. If you didn't keep the info, I could go back thru my files and do a cut paste for you... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:42:11 -0600 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help sorry, it is 512-694-5455. Anyone feel free to call, especially if you know how to get a lawyer. I have never needed one before. On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to leave for work soon so I'll probably have to call this evening. (If it's slow I may be able to call from work.) What is your area code? Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, you need to call me. I am at work and I could not hold it together so I am leaving. I may go to the doctor to get a sedative. my # is 694-5455. On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: Kelley, give me the details. Did they have a search warrant? Did you consent to a search or the seizure? What paperwork were you given? What did you sign? Is there a hearing date? Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin Police Department an email stating they were concerned. I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly in the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time. If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated. THanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 __ ___ Effective
Re: Need some help
Darn, thats cold of them. Kelley, do you use dial-up, or dsl, or cable at home? Are you looking for a home computer to use or are you able to use work computer? Gloria On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes. On 11/10/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it was Emancipet (at Emancipet.org) that called the police and confiscated her pets?Gloria On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:04 PM, MaryChristine wrote: have spoken with nina; she's got a call into hideyo right now. keeping all paws crossed here MC On Nov 9, 2007 11:04 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I happened to email Hideyo last night and got a reply this morning, but I don't know where she's at with her legal hassles. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help Hi MC, I think Nina's been in contact with Hideyo... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, MaryChristine wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:24 -0500 From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help has anyone spoken with hideyo lately? i know she'd been having hassles of her own, so i wasn't sure about contacting her yesterday--but if anyone knows that's she's okay, i've got her number and can give it to kelley. On Nov 9, 2007 9:52 AM, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Kelley, Did you keep any of the info Michelle Lerner had given to Hideyo back when she was having legal troubles?? That will at least give you a start. If you didn't keep the info, I could go back thru my files and do a cut paste for you... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:42:11 -0600 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help sorry, it is 512-694-5455. Anyone feel free to call, especially if you know how to get a lawyer. I have never needed one before. On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to leave for work soon so I'll probably have to call this evening. (If it's slow I may be able to call from work.) What is your area code? Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, you need to call me. I am at work and I could not hold it together so I am leaving. I may go to the doctor to get a sedative. my # is 694-5455. On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: Kelley, give me the details. Did they have a search warrant? Did you consent to a search or the seizure? What paperwork were you given? What did you sign? Is there a hearing date? Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin Police Department an email stating they were concerned. I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly in the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time. If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated. THanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice
Re: We are having issues
I have a friend in New York who goes to North Carolina every year to get visit the perelandra place - she loves their remedies. Gloria On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Marylyn wrote: I haven't followed a lot of this but did ask one of my holistic vets about essences. She prefers Perelandra (www.perelandra- ltd.com ) over Bach. I have included the website in case you want to check it out. I know I will be since I am hooked on Bach right now. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: We are having issues THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end. Laurie - Original Message - From: Unusually Unique To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: We are having issues I'm new here but I think I might be able to help. I was having a similiar issue with my kids. Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats. Yota, 8 yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw. I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic leukemia). I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior. She suggested using a flower essense called Vine Essence. According to the book we were looking at it helps with domination issues. It helps cats who feel the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats. She suggested putting it in their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs from you. She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water. The essenses only affect the one with issues. I also found an article that might help you if this is something your considering :http:// findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 . All I know is that I used it and it worked. Now when Waco starts playing I AM ALPHA CAT I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch! And I hate to say this but you might have Penelope checked out. She could be sick or having issues your not aware of yet. Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or sick. Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha. Just something to think about. Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ cat? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM Subject: We are having issues Ok, guys. I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my wit's end. Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. : ( They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten progressively worse. To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the bedroom. She was pooping/peeing under the bed. And I know it was just because she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom. We finally had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water. What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, but one always jumps the other. They can't even pass in the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do. There doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase. All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and they're off. I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her. Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom. Any of you guys had any success with behavior modification? I welcome any thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys
Re: Ensie/Dosing tips for Flagyl/Fecal tips
I've always used Flagyl tablets so have no experience with a liquid or gell - course you've for a feral there, so you can't easily do tablets and they taste bad ... anyhow you might talk to the druggist about compounding it in chicken flavor or something? Course if he/she is feral, how do you get the liquid down? Another thought - One vet gave me panacur and I use it quite a bit - its' liquid and not as repulsive to my cats as Flagyl, apparently. I did 1cc for 3 days. so shorter term than Flagyl. Might ask your vet about that... Gloria On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:03 AM, wendy wrote: Hi guys, I hope this post finds you all well. We finally got Ensie, my grandmother's feral from NC diagnosed correctly. They weren't doing the fecal right at the vets, and finally we got a fill-in vet who not only did the float, but also did another procedure that I can't remember. I think it involved a smear and slide, but not sure. Anyway, the vet said that Ensie had no more roundworms, as she did when we first brought her back to Texas, but that she had two other issues: Mega-bacteria and cyclospores, or something like that, which is what is causing her diarrhea. She said she's never seen bacteria that large before. She also said Ensie had zero good bacteria, or flora I think she called it, in her stomach. So she prescribed Flagyl and Bene-Bac. I gave Ensie her first dose this morning of the Flaygyl and she went nuts. She did NOT like it at all. And the stuff is cherry flavored! What are they thinking? Do cats like cherry flavoring? lol. So I wondered if any of you had any good ideas for dosing liquid cherry flavored Flagyl to your kitties? I am thinking it won't go over in tuna, but maybe something else??? Thanks for any advice! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 1:37:47 PM Subject: Autumn and Diarrhea Hey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas. Thanks, ~Susan A __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Ensie/Dosing tips for Flagyl/Fecal tips
She's a lucky kitty - I had a Persian with a very small mouth - couldn't get Flagyl or Albon down her to save me. Think I finally used Panacur. Gloria On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:25 AM, wendy wrote: Hi Gloria! Good to hear from you! Regarding your question about how I got liquid down Ensie...she had never let anyone touch her until I brought her home. I'd played with her with string for the five years before everytime I went to see my grandma, but she never let me get too close. The first night I brought her home, she let me touch her. And she has turned into a love. She still does not like to be picked up, but is getting better. She will sit in my lap and loves to be close to me, so that's how I was able to get the liquid down. We'll see if she goes for it again tonight though. I'm betting she won't...lol! Her little mouth is so small I couldn't pill her if I tried. I asked if it could be given transdermally and I guess antibiotics don't work that way, but the chicken flavored compound is a great idea. I will definitely keep the panacur in mind if things don't go well tonight. Thanks for the suggestion! Also, Ensie tested negative for FeLV and FIV, so she's been let into the general population in the house. She is a very happy kitty! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:12:42 AM Subject: Re: Ensie/Dosing tips for Flagyl/Fecal tips I've always used Flagyl tablets so have no experience with a liquid or gell - course you've for a feral there, so you can't easily do tablets and they taste bad ... anyhow you might talk to the druggist about compounding it in chicken flavor or something? Course if he/she is feral, how do you get the liquid down? Another thought - One vet gave me panacur and I use it quite a bit - its' liquid and not as repulsive to my cats as Flagyl, apparently. I did 1cc for 3 days. so shorter term than Flagyl. Might ask your vet about that... Gloria On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:03 AM, wendy wrote: Hi guys, I hope this post finds you all well. We finally got Ensie, my grandmother's feral from NC diagnosed correctly. They weren't doing the fecal right at the vets, and finally we got a fill-in vet who not only did the float, but also did another procedure that I can't remember. I think it involved a smear and slide, but not sure. Anyway, the vet said that Ensie had no more roundworms, as she did when we first brought her back to Texas, but that she had two other issues: Mega-bacteria and cyclospores, or something like that, which is what is causing her diarrhea. She said she's never seen bacteria that large before. She also said Ensie had zero good bacteria, or flora I think she called it, in her stomach. So she prescribed Flagyl and Bene-Bac. I gave Ensie her first dose this morning of the Flaygyl and she went nuts. She did NOT like it at all. And the stuff is cherry flavored! What are they thinking? Do cats like cherry flavoring? lol. So I wondered if any of you had any good ideas for dosing liquid cherry flavored Flagyl to your kitties? I am thinking it won't go over in tuna, but maybe something else??? Thanks for any advice! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 1:37:47 PM Subject: Autumn and Diarrhea Hey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas. Thanks, ~Susan A __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Teddy Please add to the CLS
Sherry, I'm so sorry to hear that you've lost sweet Teddy. I know how difficult is to lose them. Gloria On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: We lost sweet Teddy today.He will be missed very much Sherry Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Interferon Question
Hi Gary, Never heard of that for interferon alpha. LIke Lance said, maybe it's for VO. I can't see the harm for a diabetic cat. But my experience with FELV cats is that they can look so great, then turn symptomatic, and in my experience theres not much that can be done when they're symptomatic, at least for the young ones that I've had. So I'd probably try it out. I remember when I got Calawalla Banana and she was about 6 months to a year. She looked so healthy and hearty. Then at 2.5 yr she developed lymphoma and nothing we did would touch it. I'd wished I'd had her on interferon prior to her being symptomatic. (The interferon alpha protocol I use is a daily dose - not the on and off.) On the other hand, I now have 2 FELV cats that are over 10, and 1 that's 4-5. Go figure. They were over the magic age of 3 when I got them, so it's nothing I've done that's kept them going... Good luck, Gloria On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:26 PM, gary wrote: First time I've ever heard of that protocol. Mostly I've heard 7 days on and seven days off because they can develop an immunity to the human interferon alpha. Can't see why it would harm a diabetic cat. However, that's just a guess on my part. Gary - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Interferon Question Got this from a friend, anyone know or heard anything about this?? I have a feline interferon question. If you don't know the answer, would you mind asking the group? I followed the prophylactic regimen recommended in studies for asymptomatic felv+ cats, which is every day for five days in three runs starting the 1st, 14th, and 60th days. This regimen in studies seems to double cats' chances of being alive a year later. I gave it to Patches this past February. I have another batch of feline interferon and am wondering when to give it to her again. None of the studies I have say anything about repeating it, or when to do so. Do you know? Also, I can't find anything on whether it is ok to give to diabetic cats. Any idea?
Re: Interferon Question
I'm so glad your Dixie is doing well!! I haven't read about it, but in my experience when I have gotten young FELV cats/kittens, they tend to decline and die at age 2.5 to 3 yrs old. If I get another one that young, I intend to put it on daily interferon and see if we can make it thru that stage! I do know someone who has had their FELV cat thru the age of 3 - has had her on daily interferon. Kitty does great, is probably 5 or 6 now...? I have one FEV cat now that's just made it past 3 - name is BB. I acquired him recently, when he was about 4. He's healthy and happy. I have two others that are over 10, but that's a different story :) I don't know what it is about that age - whether it's the type of FELV that they have or what. Gloria On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:26 AM, Marylyn wrote: I've heard several people refer to 3 as the magic age. Exactly what do you mean? I am unsure of Dixie's age but she has been with me for almost 3 years now and is as healthy as she can be most of the time. Just normal minor problems except for the teeth and that seems to be ok now. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Interferon Question Hi Gary, Never heard of that for interferon alpha. LIke Lance said, maybe it's for VO. I can't see the harm for a diabetic cat. But my experience with FELV cats is that they can look so great, then turn symptomatic, and in my experience theres not much that can be done when they're symptomatic, at least for the young ones that I've had. So I'd probably try it out. I remember when I got Calawalla Banana and she was about 6 months to a year. She looked so healthy and hearty. Then at 2.5 yr she developed lymphoma and nothing we did would touch it. I'd wished I'd had her on interferon prior to her being symptomatic. (The interferon alpha protocol I use is a daily dose - not the on and off.) On the other hand, I now have 2 FELV cats that are over 10, and 1 that's 4-5. Go figure. They were over the magic age of 3 when I got them, so it's nothing I've done that's kept them going... Good luck, Gloria On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:26 PM, gary wrote: First time I've ever heard of that protocol. Mostly I've heard 7 days on and seven days off because they can develop an immunity to the human interferon alpha. Can't see why it would harm a diabetic cat. However, that's just a guess on my part. Gary - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Interferon Question Got this from a friend, anyone know or heard anything about this?? I have a feline interferon question. If you don't know the answer, would you mind asking the group? I followed the prophylactic regimen recommended in studies for asymptomatic felv+ cats, which is every day for five days in three runs starting the 1st, 14th, and 60th days. This regimen in studies seems to double cats' chances of being alive a year later. I gave it to Patches this past February. I have another batch of feline interferon and am wondering when to give it to her again. None of the studies I have say anything about repeating it, or when to do so. Do you know? Also, I can't find anything on whether it is ok to give to diabetic cats. Any idea?
Re: Question about URI contagion
If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the condo at the store to be on display for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats prone to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play- time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now!
Re: We are having issues
I don't know, just thinking do you think it would help to cage her for a few days, with the other cats around? Perhaps keeping on the clonicalm...? Gloria On Nov 17, 2007, at 5:20 AM, catatonya wrote: I'm having very similar issues with a male attacking 3 of my other cats. I just try to lock him up when I can. I have also given him clonicalm.. but that hasn't really seemed to help. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys. I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my wit's end. Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. : ( They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten progressively worse. To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the bedroom. She was pooping/peeing under the bed. And I know it was just because she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom. We finally had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water. What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, but one always jumps the other. They can't even pass in the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do. There doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase. All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and they're off. I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her. Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom. Any of you guys had any success with behavior modification? I welcome any thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past. Poppy, the third one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part. I've seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. :( Penny and Poppy do well together most of the time (they both sleep in my bed at night). Any ideas? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
Thanks for the info. I'm not reading FELVtalk that much lately, but I think unless these are FELV cats, this sort of thing is pretty Off Topic, controversial, and better for a different list, I'd think. Best of luck, Gloria On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Hello, just thought you would like to see this. Please click onto www.austinhumanesociety.org and www.shadowcats.net if you REALLY want to help the cats. Susan DuBose Sheila Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attended the hearings today. I saw the video and listened to the court testimony. The video showed the contents of her house. Formed fecal material along with diarrhea and other elimination products coated the house. I have never witnessed anything such as what I saw today. The house was filthy, trash, litter, something you see on Animal Cops and nothing I can ever get you to visualize with mere words. I do not think you could walk two steps without walking in stool. It was everywhere. On the stair steps, on just about every surface you could see. The video showed many cats, most with obvious URI and /or other illnesses. There was an obese cat under the sink, who later (it was testified) “drank for several minutes when it was offered water and drug itself on its belly to get to the food offered it when it was taken to Town Lake. The cat died during the night and was found dead the next morning” Lab results showed the cat died from hepatic lipidosis. It left TLAC seven weeks ago at 23 pounds and was found to be at 18 pounds on intake at this time. The only water available to it according to testimony was the filthy water in the toilet which the cat was too weak to get to. (This cats name I believe was Mia) The dead cat in the closet was said to be there aprox two months according to expert witness. The animal was barely identifiable and had melded into the carpet and was completely desiccated. When told of the findings in her closet, according to testimony, Kelly Saveika said, “ I wondered what happened to that cat…” I could go on and on and on, but suffice to say, this was horrendous. This is not about a messy house, or things getting a little out of control. This is about a horrendous situation where animals suffered and died. This is about animals that lived in a situation that was enabled by anyone that knew about this and said nothing. I am SO sick of rescue people that defend rescue people and blame everyone else for the situation they created. WHO is speaking for the animals?. I would honestly rather see these animals humanely euthanized than to live in the conditions I saw them living in. For people to blame TLAC for this is ludicrous. I personally do not want to hear one more person say “poor Kelly” or hear how the Rescue community supports this org. All I can think of is who was with that poor cat as it lay dying? Who supported Willa Anyone who sat through that video and can still justify what they saw, well…… Unfortunately the judge allowed her to keep three of her personal cats. This is not gossip or rumor. This is part of the testimony presented today and is part of a public record. Sheila And this. Can you believe this (portion after Jerry's quote)? Kelley Saveika is positioning herself as an expert less than 48 hours after her hearing! I assume she was convicted of animal cruelty because they confiscated her rescue cats... She says, among other things, I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill. This from a woman who had a dead cat in her closet for two months and a cat dying from neglect under her sink? She makes my skin crawl - Original Message - From: Kelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: [centraltexasrescue] Re: Attention all Texas rescuers! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Nov 2007 at 7:36, Toni Liguori wrote: Unfortunately, I think that to get the city to listen at all, Nathan's name has to be completely omitted from any proposal. I think that's an excellent idea. His proposals are winners, but the man himself is so confrontational that his presence immediately polarizes any discussion. We need to press for the programs and leave the personalities out of it. There are some other people who are not so polarizing who are making great strides. Barbara Carr's shelter in Erie County NY killed only 88 cats and 0 dogs last year. She has an amazing offsite adoption program. I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill. I hate to think of 88 cats being killed but compare that to TLAC. I adore Nathan Winograd, but I don't care if people use his name. What
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
And... are you using Lysine? Amoxi gets the bacteria, and Lysine gets the Herpes virus, if that's the initial cause... Gloria On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: What if you have a bottle of powdered Amoxi that you are mixing with water? What is the dosage per pound of body weight? Just want to triple check that I am dosing my cats right... Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:29:51 -0600 I hope I am confused about your numbers. Let's see if I got this right. You say you put a 250mg capsule into 2.5 cc of water right? The you give the cat 10 cc (or is that 1.0 cc) of this so, that's 1000mg and you give this twice a day for a total of 2000mg a day? If so, WOW that is a LOT of amoxicillin. Recommended dosage for a cat is 50mg (5-10mg per pound) once a day, that would be .5 cc (point 5cc) once a day for 50 mg if a 250mg cap is disolved in 2.5cc of water. Be sure to shake this very well before taking up the dose to be given as it sometimes seperates very quickly in water. Here is a link to pfizer with dosages of their Amoxi-tabs. http://www.pfizerah.com/PAHimages/compliance_pdfs/US_EN_A5_compliance.pdf Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? See, this is why this stuff confuses me. (fish stuff). I get a 250 ml caplet and compound it in 2.5 cc of water. Then I give the cat 10 cc 2x per day (for a 10 pound cat, dosing it down for kittens) . That's not 50 mg. On Nov 19, 2007 2:36 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuff you can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is no improvement in 5 days, it isn't working. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up!
Re: OT .. Re: FELV- cat, throwing up....input/suggestions?
Any more symptoms? How's the breathing? Does he eat? You've already gotten some good suggestions. Perhaps try the piece of Pepcid AC (or Zantac). Dont' however get the one with other stuff in it (no pepto bismal, of course). Sure hope he's doing better! Gloria On Nov 21, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Tracy Weese wrote: Here are the basics: Freckles was fine over the weekend and even until Monday mid-day, then he starts throwing up (clear vomit, not yellow or bloody, a little sticky like mucus) and does so about once every 4-8 hours, through that night. Call vet Tuesday a.m., they could not fit us in and so we went this a.m. He had no temp. and did not appear to be in pain or too depressed although it was clear he is not himself, less playful and more just sitting around. The vomiting continued Tuesday and so by this a.m., I am not sure when he last ate/drank, but he did pee in the litter box. He was NOT dehydrated and not yellow. X-rays did not show any obvious obstruction but there was a tiny spot that might need to be explored further if things don’t improve. We were thinking he may have swallowed something that was stuck in his tummy, even a large hair ball which was making him vomit and not be hungry. He got an injection to address the throwing up, it may take 24 hours to really kick in and then I have pills to give him throughout tomorrow. Vet sent home ID food which is easy on the tummy in the hopes that once the omitting stops, we can start him on a bland diet to get him eating again. He threw up once when he got home and has mostly just slept, and is still not interested in food. So of course, I am worried sick. Freckles is approx. 2, very healthy and friendly normally. He is FELV-. I am looking for hints, suggestions, words of encouragement. My vet said he has seen this before and so he is not as worried as me, but.if he is not better by Friday a.m., he goes back. I am always prepared to take him to an emergency vet if things get worse, but my vets, who have known Freckles most of his life and last saw him a few months ago for routine stuff, seem confident this is not going to have a sad ending. I have lost 3 cats to FELV recently, and so they know how important this is to me right now. Tracy
Re: Louisa Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry. Gloria On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Louisa was one of our Hurricane Katrina kitties.Sadly we lost her yesterday.She will be missed. Sherry Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge
I understand, and I'm so sorry. Thank you for writing the loving note to us, about Julie's last day and about her blessed life. Gloria On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:04 PM, wendy wrote: Hello everyone, It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. She was purring and happy when it happened and she passed peacefully. She was my beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a charmed life and was spoiled to no end. She was a very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to anyone or to any fellow animal ever. Her little body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and after this last week, I knew it was time. It was such a difficult decision to make though. Part of me felt like it was not my place to make that decision; after all I did not create her life. The other part knew that I could never let her suffer the way my Cricket did when he died from FeLV-related anemia. I knew it would be a matter of days for her and I wanted her to pass without suffering. I took off work to spend the day with her and she had a great day, even being as weak as she was. She enjoyed being outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day. I just want to thank everyone here for your help and encouragment with all my kitties and for being such great listeners. You all are wonderful people. Sincerely, Wendy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique
Wow, I've been in this group for for about 6 years, and always thought it was a great group, and so supportive, helped me thru the first years of having a beloved FELV cat. Perhaps this is just not the right group for Unusually Unique, so best of luck with finding what's right for you. Gloria On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Well, I wish you wouldn't leave Unusually Unique. We've already lost SO many people. I've stuck it out and I just ignore the fights that go on on this site because I still believe in the greater good- that this list serve can provide good and necessary info, despite the recent animosity. -Caroline Subject: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:44:34 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, see below instructions re unsubscribing etc. (These are sent on the 1st of every month, in case you still have your email -- if you do, you'll be able to click directly to unsubscribe. Otherwise there are contact addresses given below) Asking the list doesn't work because listmembers can't do it for you (otherwise I daresay a few folks would be bouncing back and forth interminably) and as far as I know it's not moderated continuously. At any rate, the info below should do the trick. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:01 AM Subject: felineleukemia.org mailing list memberships reminder This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your felineleukemia.org mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Unusually Unique Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael How do I unsubscribe from this Merry-Go-Round? I'm sick of reading about you people slapping at each other. _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up!
