Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Jon Bradley wrote : The problem of flash for mobile is as much about politics and protecting the Apple appstore than anything else -it seems to me that flash was a threat by allowing apps to be produced bypassing Apples appstore. It is the problem of HTML5 too, since all these may happen in the browser, they all bypass and gracefully skip the appstore model. I think the problem is the AppStore, and not the technology(ies). And you are right, it has much to do with politics and moneymaking. Cedric___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
On 18/09/2012 10:48, Cédric Muller wrote: Jon Bradley wrote : The problem of flash for mobile is as much about politics and protecting the Apple appstore than anything else -it seems to me that flash was a threat by allowing apps to be produced bypassing Apples appstore. It is the problem of HTML5 too, since all these may happen in the browser, they all bypass and gracefully skip the appstore model. I think the problem is the AppStore, and not the technology(ies). And you are right, it has much to do with politics and moneymaking. A couple of months ago I worked on an iPad project and decided to give it a go using HTML5. Part of the project used sound and video, so it required use of the HTML5 cache to permit offline use of the web app. It all worked wonderfully until there was no internet connection. No sound or video. It turns out that the iPad won't cache those assets so I then went ahead and rebuilt the app using Flash with an IOS target. So Apple seems to be protecting themselves from standalone HTML5 webapps too. Paul Cedric___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. I for one don't see why everyone went with Apples view. Flash works on almost all other phone devices doesn't it? I do agree with Jobs, that flash pieces (not Flash itself) can be an inferior product, but this I believe was a problem that lay in the flash programers hands. With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. So yeah +1 on the money grab idea. As far as vector. I thought the advantage to vector was because it utilized math algorithms instead of pixel/raster and when it comes to processing, pure math is quicker. Karl Sent from losPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Cédric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Jon Bradley wrote : The problem of flash for mobile is as much about politics and protecting the Apple appstore than anything else -it seems to me that flash was a threat by allowing apps to be produced bypassing Apples appstore. It is the problem of HTML5 too, since all these may happen in the browser, they all bypass and gracefully skip the appstore model. I think the problem is the AppStore, and not the technology(ies). And you are right, it has much to do with politics and moneymaking. Cedric___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Flash would not have been an option when the first iPhone came out, we all know it by now. Apple is too protective, but that's why they achieved to release hardware that always work with their OS and apps. That's a true plus when it comes to users; though it is getting less innovative with the latest OS X releases, everything is melting into that iOSish aspect of locking in user experience. I am not a supporter (writing this from an iMac, with the latest OS, with its hidden files truely hidden: hello Terminal). Being dependent (addict) was never (and will never be) a good thing for a human. Plus, Apple is among the few to be able to make 'programmed obsolescence' look like a false concept. Consumers are waiting in queues to buy new hardware, screaming when they get out with their Graal. And journalists are taking pictures of these scenes and are thrilled as never when they are reporting these. Looks like bad medicine for me. Why everyone went down that road ? because iPhone took over the mobile market, making giants of the industry crumble to the sea and then there is that 'sectarian' aspect of people consuming Apple products. It is a horde, and journalists that cover technology are all biased and never critical (do they have any means to be critical ?) towards new Apple products. I am not calling for a conspiracy, nor do I need one. I just seem to observe that technology journalists are not factual, nor visionary. Take political journalists for example, they always have the guts to say things that near facts. Cedric Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. I for one don't see why everyone went with Apples view. Flash works on almost all other phone devices doesn't it? I do agree with Jobs, that flash pieces (not Flash itself) can be an inferior product, but this I believe was a problem that lay in the flash programers hands. With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. So yeah +1 on the money grab idea. As far as vector. I thought the advantage to vector was because it utilized math algorithms instead of pixel/raster and when it comes to processing, pure math is quicker. Karl Sent from losPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Cédric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Jon Bradley wrote : The problem of flash for mobile is as much about politics and protecting the Apple appstore than anything else -it seems to me that flash was a threat by allowing apps to be produced bypassing Apples appstore. It is the problem of HTML5 too, since all these may happen in the browser, they all bypass and gracefully skip the appstore model. I think the problem is the AppStore, and not the technology(ies). And you are right, it has much to do with politics and moneymaking. Cedric___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Karl DeSaulniers wrote : Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. . With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. Adobe was a little confusing on that one. It somehow proved it lacked of vision, and failed to capitalize the 'money grabbing' process that was needed for Mankind (sarcasm). And since then, it looks like Flash is living the Director's fate (and maybe the Director's Cut too ...). Flash is still very good, as a runtime. As are a lot of runtimes. What we observe is that browsers are runtimes, and that we can do many things with them that don't justify Flash use anymore (as it was always the case, take the usability gurus .. err darketers ). So all in all, Flash Player is still a strong runtime that lets developpers leverage some amazing things with it. Moreover, this AppStore storm got rid of a lot of bad Flash use (indirectly, a lot of bad applications with bad usability principles can be found on the iOS ecosystem from now on). Flash is now considered as a technology, and no more as a new paradigm (which is what the iOS AppStore is currently going through). 15 minutes of fame. Cedric. Sorry for the OT, as I don't really anything to add regarding vectors vs bitmaps ... though I 'plus' the view that it truly depends on the utilization: sometimes bitmaps are better, sometimes vectors are better: know your tech and make experiments in order to test in real situations. (Though I was amazingly amazed by the way Flash Player simply merges with Retina displays, for example. Vectors power!) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
I personally think that if Flash wants to compete with the likes of HTML 5 and jQuery, it needs to step out of the plugin area. Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM. Just sayin.. Karl PS: I don't think the original topic was vectors anyway, so your good. :) On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Cédric Muller wrote: Karl DeSaulniers wrote : Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. . With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. Adobe was a little confusing on that one. It somehow proved it lacked of vision, and failed to capitalize the 'money grabbing' process that was needed for Mankind (sarcasm). And since then, it looks like Flash is living the Director's fate (and maybe the Director's Cut too ...). Flash is still very good, as a runtime. As are a lot of runtimes. What we observe is that browsers are runtimes, and that we can do many things with them that don't justify Flash use anymore (as it was always the case, take the usability gurus .. err darketers ). So all in all, Flash Player is still a strong runtime that lets developpers leverage some amazing things with it. Moreover, this AppStore storm got rid of a lot of bad Flash use (indirectly, a lot of bad applications with bad usability principles can be found on the iOS ecosystem from now on). Flash is now considered as a technology, and no more as a new paradigm (which is what the iOS AppStore is currently going through). 15 minutes of fame. Cedric. Sorry for the OT, as I don't really anything to add regarding vectors vs bitmaps ... though I 'plus' the view that it truly depends on the utilization: sometimes bitmaps are better, sometimes vectors are better: know your tech and make experiments in order to test in real situations. (Though I was amazingly amazed by the way Flash Player simply merges with Retina displays, for example. Vectors power!) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
The web standards comittee already squashed Adobe's attempt to get ecmascript 2 adopted as a browser standard - making actionscript and javascript compatible. Adobe is never going to try and make Flash compete with javascript as a DOM manipulator. Adobe is going to concentrate on markets where flash has an advantage. Paul On 18/09/2012 11:35, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: I personally think that if Flash wants to compete with the likes of HTML 5 and jQuery, it needs to step out of the plugin area. Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM. Just sayin.. Karl PS: I don't think the original topic was vectors anyway, so your good. :) On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Cédric Muller wrote: Karl DeSaulniers wrote : Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. . With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. Adobe was a little confusing on that one. It somehow proved it lacked of vision, and failed to capitalize the 'money grabbing' process that was needed for Mankind (sarcasm). And since then, it looks like Flash is living the Director's fate (and maybe the Director's Cut too ...). Flash is still very good, as a runtime. As are a lot of runtimes. What we observe is that browsers are runtimes, and that we can do many things with them that don't justify Flash use anymore (as it was always the case, take the usability gurus .. err darketers ). So all in all, Flash Player is still a strong runtime that lets developpers leverage some amazing things with it. Moreover, this AppStore storm got rid of a lot of bad Flash use (indirectly, a lot of bad applications with bad usability principles can be found on the iOS ecosystem from now on). Flash is now considered as a technology, and no more as a new paradigm (which is what the iOS AppStore is currently going through). 15 minutes of fame. Cedric. Sorry for the OT, as I don't really anything to add regarding vectors vs bitmaps ... though I 'plus' the view that it truly depends on the utilization: sometimes bitmaps are better, sometimes vectors are better: know your tech and make experiments in order to test in real situations. (Though I was amazingly amazed by the way Flash Player simply merges with Retina displays, for example. Vectors power!) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Well in my understanding from starting with Flash 5. HTML and javascript could not do what Flash was doing and that made it all the rage. Now that HTML (so to speak) has caught up, I think Flash would do a great service and join in if you will. Just because they turn you down, doesn't mean you don't try again. I think that Adobe could make Actionscript better than Javascript and jQuery AND you would still be able to use the Flash program to create things like you did for the plugin phase of Flash. Just this time it exports HTML instead of SWF. I think the power of Actionscript would make a superb DOM manipulator, especially for its OOP capabilities. But alas, you are probably right. I just wanted, more so, to get it off my chest... If I had the money to buy Flash from Adobe, that is what I would do with it. It makes sense to me. Its probably what Flash should have done in the first place instead of creating a plugin env. Best, Karl On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Paul Andrews wrote: The web standards comittee already squashed Adobe's attempt to get ecmascript 2 adopted as a browser standard - making actionscript and javascript compatible. Adobe is never going to try and make Flash compete with javascript as a DOM manipulator. Adobe is going to concentrate on markets where flash has an advantage. Paul On 18/09/2012 11:35, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: I personally think that if Flash wants to compete with the likes of HTML 5 and jQuery, it needs to step out of the plugin area. Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM. Just sayin.. Karl PS: I don't think the original topic was vectors anyway, so your good. :) On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Cédric Muller wrote: Karl DeSaulniers wrote : Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. . With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. Adobe was a little confusing on that one. It somehow proved it lacked of vision, and failed to capitalize the 'money grabbing' process that was needed for Mankind (sarcasm). And since then, it looks like Flash is living the Director's fate (and maybe the Director's Cut too ...). Flash is still very good, as a runtime. As are a lot of runtimes. What we observe is that browsers are runtimes, and that we can do many things with them that don't justify Flash use anymore (as it was always the case, take the usability gurus .. err darketers ). So all in all, Flash Player is still a strong runtime that lets developpers leverage some amazing things with it. Moreover, this AppStore storm got rid of a lot of bad Flash use (indirectly, a lot of bad applications with bad usability principles can be found on the iOS ecosystem from now on). Flash is now considered as a technology, and no more as a new paradigm (which is what the iOS AppStore is currently going through). 15 minutes of fame. Cedric. Sorry for the OT, as I don't really anything to add regarding vectors vs bitmaps ... though I 'plus' the view that it truly depends on the utilization: sometimes bitmaps are better, sometimes vectors are better: know your tech and make experiments in order to test in real situations. (Though I was amazingly amazed by the way Flash Player simply merges with Retina displays, for example. Vectors power!) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
hmmm, i'd say from future splash days flash was doing something that html could not deliver. it still does in a lot of ways but it's always a plugin. adobe could have done a google a while back and made a browser but that boat has sailed a long time ago. flash is still way better than any flavour of JS at working the same across all browsers and platforms and it'll be a few years still before html5 is as stable for anything vaguely complicated. when that time comes there'll be a bunch of different avant-garde features all treated differently by different browsers and platforms just as today. AIR will never be as good as native, it's a wrapper for a runtime. it'll do the job for all sorts of reasons but the people pushing the envelope on devices won't be actionscript developers. that wasn't the case with the web up until a few years ago. i'm learning haxe more and more, and using it more and more in my day to day work for backend and clients in JS and flash. it also compiles to native code for windows phone, andriod and iOS. if i was going to put money on actionscript living on it'd be in the form of haxe, which is already a big improvement on AS3 but essentially feels a lot like the same thing. On 18 September 2012 13:17, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote: Well in my understanding from starting with Flash 5. HTML and javascript could not do what Flash was doing and that made it all the rage. Now that HTML (so to speak) has caught up, I think Flash would do a great service and join in if you will. Just because they turn you down, doesn't mean you don't try again. I think that Adobe could make Actionscript better than Javascript and jQuery AND you would still be able to use the Flash program to create things like you did for the plugin phase of Flash. Just this time it exports HTML instead of SWF. I think the power of Actionscript would make a superb DOM manipulator, especially for its OOP capabilities. But alas, you are probably right. I just wanted, more so, to get it off my chest... If I had the money to buy Flash from Adobe, that is what I would do with it. It makes sense to me. Its probably what Flash should have done in the first place instead of creating a plugin env. Best, Karl On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Paul Andrews wrote: The web standards comittee already squashed Adobe's attempt to get ecmascript 2 adopted as a browser standard - making actionscript and javascript compatible. Adobe is never going to try and make Flash compete with javascript as a DOM manipulator. Adobe is going to concentrate on markets where flash has an advantage. Paul On 18/09/2012 11:35, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: I personally think that if Flash wants to compete with the likes of HTML 5 and jQuery, it needs to step out of the plugin area. Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM. Just sayin.. Karl PS: I don't think the original topic was vectors anyway, so your good. :) On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Cédric Muller wrote: Karl DeSaulniers wrote : Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. . With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. Adobe was a little confusing on that one. It somehow proved it lacked of vision, and failed to capitalize the 'money grabbing' process that was needed for Mankind (sarcasm). And since then, it looks like Flash is living the Director's fate (and maybe the Director's Cut too ...). Flash is still very good, as a runtime. As are a lot of runtimes. What we observe is that browsers are runtimes, and that we can do many things with them that don't justify Flash use anymore (as it was always the case, take the usability gurus .. err darketers ). So all in all, Flash Player is still a strong runtime that lets developpers leverage some amazing things with it. Moreover, this AppStore storm got rid of a lot of bad Flash use (indirectly, a lot of bad applications with bad usability principles can be found on the iOS ecosystem from now on). Flash is now considered as a technology, and no more as a new paradigm (which is what the iOS AppStore is currently going through). 15 minutes of fame. Cedric. Sorry for the OT, as I don't really anything to add regarding vectors vs bitmaps ... though I 'plus' the view that it truly depends on the utilization: sometimes bitmaps are better, sometimes vectors are better: know your tech and make experiments in order to test in real situations. (Though I was amazingly amazed by the way Flash Player simply merges with Retina displays, for example. Vectors power!) __**_ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.**com Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/**mailman/listinfo/flashcodershttp://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Ooops...mis-quote. I didn't write that bit :) On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Cédric Muller wrote: Jon Bradley wrote : The problem of flash for mobile is as much about politics and protecting the Apple appstore than anything else -it seems to me that flash was a threat by allowing apps to be produced bypassing Apples appstore. It is the problem of HTML5 too, since all these may happen in the browser, they all bypass and gracefully skip the appstore model. I think the problem is the AppStore, and not the technology(ies). And you are right, it has much to do with politics and moneymaking. Cedric ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM. Just sayin.. THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect II Bank of America Global Learning -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Actionscript can manipulate DOM... because as1 is quite the same as js.
My personal experience: I'm a flash developer since 2002, I've begun
with Flash 6 (before I was a classic programmer, c, clipper and so on).
I appreciated very much when As3 came out because I was freed by that
nightmare of implementing class with prototype, by passing always the
context and so on...
Now, because I have family, I was forced to learn html+js (and
obviously jQuery) and I'm back into prototypes and context nightmare.
Ok let's say that I feel pretty strong and confortable with them, but
it's a jump of at least 6 years in the past.
However, the REAL NIGHTMARE that I had forgottend since 2002 is that
OBVIOUSLY html+js (also by using jQuery) differs from browser to browser.
jQuery helps a lot, however you have to test your webapp on many
browser and a lot of times what works on one, doesn't on another.
The real bad thing is that also on the language javascript there are
important differences among the browser and you'll learn these only when
they are in front of you.
For example, setTimeout(myFunction, 1000, myParam) won't work on
explorer and you have to write it in this way:
setTimeout(function(){myFunction(myParam)} , 1000);
And this is just an example...
Btw I didn't left Flash, I use it for making Android and iOS apps and it
works very well.
I made 4 apps, free on Android (with advertising banners by using an
ANE) and with fee on Apple Store.
P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native tongue.
Il 18/09/2012 15:22, Merrill, Jason ha scritto:
Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts
competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM.
Just sayin..
THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY.
Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
I have a couple of questions about AIR / mobile device dev: 1) Has anyone on this list shipped anything decent (by this I guess I mean commercially successful; gave +ve ROI on dev/sales costs) into the AppStore using AS3/AIR? 2) Has anyone got any practical advice for technology choices for an AS3 / Java shop looking to do mobile apps / games (we have a framework using SmartFox server with AS3 client tech). Currently - we're looking to kick off a mobile dev track early next year, and expect to be using native tech, which is a pity for us as we have a really mature AS3 framework but I don't see any examples of flash being used to much commercial effect on mobile thus far... On 18 Sep 2012, at 14:22, Merrill, Jason wrote: Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate DOM. Just sayin.. THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect II Bank of America Global Learning -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Tom Gooding QuickThink Media Ltd Email: t...@quickthinkmedia.co.uk Mobile: +44 (0)798 997 0920 Telephone: +44 (0)207 357 0054 Skype: tomg_quickthink ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
1) Has anyone on this list shipped anything decent (by this I guess I mean commercially successful; gave +ve ROI on dev/sales costs) into the AppStore using AS3/AIR? Not me personally, but aware of these chart toppers: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20104108-264/flash-derived-ipad-game-tops-app-store-charts/ http://www.flashrealtime.com/wonderputt-flash-ipad/ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
thanks - had seen Machinarium - will take a look at Wonderputt, thing that worries us specifically with AIR is the networking stack; running robust / low-latency socket connections for multiplayer games (which we do fine in browser flash). On 18 Sep 2012, at 16:48, Mike Duguid wrote: 1) Has anyone on this list shipped anything decent (by this I guess I mean commercially successful; gave +ve ROI on dev/sales costs) into the AppStore using AS3/AIR? Not me personally, but aware of these chart toppers: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20104108-264/flash-derived-ipad-game-tops-app-store-charts/ http://www.flashrealtime.com/wonderputt-flash-ipad/ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Tom Gooding skriver: thanks - had seen Machinarium - will take a look at Wonderputt, thing that worries us specifically with AIR is the networking stack; running robust / low-latency socket connections for multiplayer games (which we do fine in browser flash). I say that AIR is even more suited for this than the Flash player, since it provides a full socket API and not just outgoing TCP connections. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Henrick I do agree with you that Flash's vector graphics would save a lot of bandwidth. What I meant was that if you download a bitmap the effect on battery life would be the same for Flash, HTML5 and JS, so the argument about Flash didn't stand up. On this vector vs bitmaps thing... For an image with just a single pixel (4 bytes + header) the demand on the CPU would far less than if you used vector data. For an image in which encoding is not used, a single 640x480 image has 307,200 pixels at 4 bytes per pixel = 1MB plus but, of course, you couldn't describe it with vectors. The effect on battery life of this is image dependent, not language dependent. As far as I can recall, with higher demand the CPU goes faster causing more logical state changes per second and whenever a logical bit changes state the transistors in the chips momentarily pass excess current and that's why the CPU uses more power and gets hot. The same happens with overclocking. Of course vectors are great for scaled images and if JS and HTML5 don't do those as well as Flash they won't be as good zoomed in. Anyway, its absolutely wonderful to hear you all again. John ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Unfortunately the problem is pixels themselves. With higher res screens the desire for clean imagery is greater. So with pixels, they have to be set at there largest size at 72 DPI. So this means with zoomed material you have to have multiple images set at their largest size per device otherwise zooming gets pixelated (dividing one pixel into two). Thus to achieve a clean image, your one pixel increases exponentially in file size. With vector, it's a little more math to describe 1 size that then is scaleable. Now you can go the route of one middle sized image and allow some pixelation on larger screens and over processing on some smaller screens. But to truly get the cleanest fastest pixel based image on all devices and screen you have to have I'd say at least 3-5 different files. Each a different size. Seems like a lot of overhead to me. Also, I always wondered why postscript wasn't utilized in HTML image and font rendering. Seems to me that postscript would fit nicely unless I am not understanding postscript. But now I am OT. Guess to get back OT I'd just say I loved how Flash handled vector. I could design in Adobe Illustrator or fireworks, be able to scale what ever size I wanted and export to flash. It was soo easy on bandwidth as far as my experiences went with the projects I did. In a world of trying to fit a banner ad with all it's animations and graphics audio and possibly video under 100K I utilized vector 8 out of 10 times to reduce file sizes. Karl Sent from losPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:57 AM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote: Henrick I do agree with you that Flash's vector graphics would save a lot of bandwidth. What I meant was that if you download a bitmap the effect on battery life would be the same for Flash, HTML5 and JS, so the argument about Flash didn't stand up. On this vector vs bitmaps thing... For an image with just a single pixel (4 bytes + header) the demand on the CPU would far less than if you used vector data. For an image in which encoding is not used, a single 640x480 image has 307,200 pixels at 4 bytes per pixel = 1MB plus but, of course, you couldn't describe it with vectors. The effect on battery life of this is image dependent, not language dependent. As far as I can recall, with higher demand the CPU goes faster causing more logical state changes per second and whenever a logical bit changes state the transistors in the chips momentarily pass excess current and that's why the CPU uses more power and gets hot. The same happens with overclocking. Of course vectors are great for scaled images and if JS and HTML5 don't do those as well as Flash they won't be as good zoomed in. Anyway, its absolutely wonderful to hear you all again. John ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
what program did you use for creating apps for android and ios?
Gus
On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Ima Newsletta wrote:
Actionscript can manipulate DOM... because as1 is quite the same
as js.
My personal experience: I'm a flash developer since 2002, I've begun
with Flash 6 (before I was a classic programmer, c, clipper and so
on).
I appreciated very much when As3 came out because I was freed by
that nightmare of implementing class with prototype, by passing
always the context and so on...
Now, because I have family, I was forced to learn html+js (and
obviously jQuery) and I'm back into prototypes and context nightmare.
Ok let's say that I feel pretty strong and confortable with them,
but it's a jump of at least 6 years in the past.
However, the REAL NIGHTMARE that I had forgottend since 2002 is that
OBVIOUSLY html+js (also by using jQuery) differs from browser to
browser.
jQuery helps a lot, however you have to test your webapp on many
browser and a lot of times what works on one, doesn't on another.
The real bad thing is that also on the language javascript there are
important differences among the browser and you'll learn these only
when they are in front of you.
For example, setTimeout(myFunction, 1000, myParam) won't work on
explorer and you have to write it in this way:
setTimeout(function(){myFunction(myParam)} , 1000);
And this is just an example...
Btw I didn't left Flash, I use it for making Android and iOS apps
and it works very well.
I made 4 apps, free on Android (with advertising banners by using an
ANE) and with fee on Apple Store.
P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native tongue.
Il 18/09/2012 15:22, Merrill, Jason ha scritto:
Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript
becoming Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can
control and manipulate DOM.
Just sayin..
THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY.
Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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On 18/09/2012 18:49, Gustavo Duenas wrote:
what program did you use for creating apps for android and ios?
Btw I didn't left Flash, I use it for making Android and iOS apps and
it works very well.
Gus
On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Ima Newsletta wrote:
Actionscript can manipulate DOM... because as1 is quite the same as
js.
My personal experience: I'm a flash developer since 2002, I've begun
with Flash 6 (before I was a classic programmer, c, clipper and so
on).
I appreciated very much when As3 came out because I was freed by that
nightmare of implementing class with prototype, by passing always the
context and so on...
Now, because I have family, I was forced to learn html+js (and
obviously jQuery) and I'm back into prototypes and context nightmare.
Ok let's say that I feel pretty strong and confortable with them, but
it's a jump of at least 6 years in the past.
However, the REAL NIGHTMARE that I had forgottend since 2002 is that
OBVIOUSLY html+js (also by using jQuery) differs from browser to
browser.
jQuery helps a lot, however you have to test your webapp on many
browser and a lot of times what works on one, doesn't on another.
The real bad thing is that also on the language javascript there are
important differences among the browser and you'll learn these only
when they are in front of you.
For example, setTimeout(myFunction, 1000, myParam) won't work on
explorer and you have to write it in this way:
setTimeout(function(){myFunction(myParam)} , 1000);
And this is just an example...
Btw I didn't left Flash, I use it for making Android and iOS apps and
it works very well.
I made 4 apps, free on Android (with advertising banners by using an
ANE) and with fee on Apple Store.
P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native tongue.
Il 18/09/2012 15:22, Merrill, Jason ha scritto:
Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming
Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and
manipulate DOM.
Just sayin..
THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY.
Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Adobe Flash CS5.5 updated to AIR3.2, I'm really satisfied with it.
I've made this application (100,000+ downloads, more than 1,000 feebacks
for an avarage rate of 4.6)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.int33h.kfm
It took me about a year to design, program and testing and I'm still
releasing updates with new features every 1-2 months.
It's completly free, no in app purchase to advance in the game (I hate
that model of business).
It uses heavy mysql and heavy computing and it runs fine on my Galaxy S.
On devices such as = Galaxy S2 the app doesn't seem to be build on
Flash, it seems made natively.
The same app is available for iOS but under a small fee.
Hope this helps
Il 18/09/2012 19:49, Gustavo Duenas ha scritto:
what program did you use for creating apps for android and ios?
Gus
On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Ima Newsletta wrote:
Actionscript can manipulate DOM... because as1 is quite the same as
js.
My personal experience: I'm a flash developer since 2002, I've begun
with Flash 6 (before I was a classic programmer, c, clipper and so
on).
I appreciated very much when As3 came out because I was freed by that
nightmare of implementing class with prototype, by passing always the
context and so on...
Now, because I have family, I was forced to learn html+js (and
obviously jQuery) and I'm back into prototypes and context nightmare.
Ok let's say that I feel pretty strong and confortable with them, but
it's a jump of at least 6 years in the past.
However, the REAL NIGHTMARE that I had forgottend since 2002 is that
OBVIOUSLY html+js (also by using jQuery) differs from browser to
browser.
jQuery helps a lot, however you have to test your webapp on many
browser and a lot of times what works on one, doesn't on another.
The real bad thing is that also on the language javascript there are
important differences among the browser and you'll learn these only
when they are in front of you.
For example, setTimeout(myFunction, 1000, myParam) won't work on
explorer and you have to write it in this way:
setTimeout(function(){myFunction(myParam)} , 1000);
And this is just an example...
Btw I didn't left Flash, I use it for making Android and iOS apps and
it works very well.
I made 4 apps, free on Android (with advertising banners by using an
ANE) and with fee on Apple Store.
P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native tongue.
Il 18/09/2012 15:22, Merrill, Jason ha scritto:
Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming
Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and
manipulate DOM.
Just sayin..
THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY.
Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
Ah this gives me more confident to stay where I am and continue upgrading
myself in action script sphere. I have been into action scripting for now
nearly a decade and recently was getting a bit confused of where will it
actually lead to. Though my knowledge of action scripting helped me a lot to
pick up android native development in java, still I have started to miss the
charm of as3. But with this discussion my hopes seem to have brighten up.
Thanks guys for bringing up this topic.
Warm Regards
Deepanjan Das
Sent from my iPad
On 18-Sep-2012, at 11:40 PM, Ima Newsletta bignewsletter...@gmail.com wrote:
Adobe Flash CS5.5 updated to AIR3.2, I'm really satisfied with it.
I've made this application (100,000+ downloads, more than 1,000 feebacks for
an avarage rate of 4.6)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.int33h.kfm
It took me about a year to design, program and testing and I'm still
releasing updates with new features every 1-2 months.
It's completly free, no in app purchase to advance in the game (I hate that
model of business).
It uses heavy mysql and heavy computing and it runs fine on my Galaxy S.
On devices such as = Galaxy S2 the app doesn't seem to be build on Flash, it
seems made natively.
The same app is available for iOS but under a small fee.
Hope this helps
Il 18/09/2012 19:49, Gustavo Duenas ha scritto:
what program did you use for creating apps for android and ios?
Gus
On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Ima Newsletta wrote:
Actionscript can manipulate DOM... because as1 is quite the same as js.
My personal experience: I'm a flash developer since 2002, I've begun with
Flash 6 (before I was a classic programmer, c, clipper and so on).
I appreciated very much when As3 came out because I was freed by that
nightmare of implementing class with prototype, by passing always the
context and so on...
Now, because I have family, I was forced to learn html+js (and obviously
jQuery) and I'm back into prototypes and context nightmare.
Ok let's say that I feel pretty strong and confortable with them, but it's
a jump of at least 6 years in the past.
However, the REAL NIGHTMARE that I had forgottend since 2002 is that
OBVIOUSLY html+js (also by using jQuery) differs from browser to browser.
jQuery helps a lot, however you have to test your webapp on many browser
and a lot of times what works on one, doesn't on another.
The real bad thing is that also on the language javascript there are
important differences among the browser and you'll learn these only when
they are in front of you.
For example, setTimeout(myFunction, 1000, myParam) won't work on explorer
and you have to write it in this way:
setTimeout(function(){myFunction(myParam)} , 1000);
And this is just an example...
Btw I didn't left Flash, I use it for making Android and iOS apps and it
works very well.
I made 4 apps, free on Android (with advertising banners by using an ANE)
and with fee on Apple Store.
P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native tongue.
Il 18/09/2012 15:22, Merrill, Jason ha scritto:
Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming
Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and
manipulate DOM.
Just sayin..
THAT would be AWESOME and make me VERY HAPPY.
Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
There are a number of Stage3D based frameworks that are attempting to do just that (including my poor neglected Backstage2D). Kevin N. On 9/17/12 5:54 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Flash needs a more powerful caching system for rasterized vector art. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
I haven't shipped anything public, but have shipped a couple of demos and ad-hoc distributed apps that clients were pretty happy with. There is a highish profile Flash site that we are currently planning to revamp for mobile and desktop, all using Flash and AIR. I think Adobe has a good story going forward, if they can get their PR goons out of the way. Kevin N. On 9/18/12 11:04 AM, Tom Gooding wrote: 1) Has anyone on this list shipped anything decent (by this I guess I mean commercially successful; gave +ve ROI on dev/sales costs) into the AppStore using AS3/AIR? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Actionscript lives on.
On 9/18/12 11:04 AM, Tom Gooding wrote: 1) Has anyone on this list shipped anything decent (by this I guess I mean commercially successful; gave +ve ROI on dev/sales costs) into the AppStore using AS3/AIR? Also, I didn't have anything to do with it, but I think the NBC Sports (formerly NBC Olympics) apps are both done in AIR. 2) Has anyone got any practical advice for technology choices for an AS3 / Java shop looking to do mobile apps / games (we have a framework using SmartFox server with AS3 client tech). Get started with Starling or another Stage3D based framework (through direct rendermode) from the start, and don't bother with CPU or GPU rendermodes. Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
