Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

[rick]

Hi All,

I found and fixed the problem that Tom was having. Here is a link to the
updated script:

http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/CP-TableChangeBars.zip

Rick



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From: Framers  On
Behalf Of de Rouck, Tom (Zelzate)
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 1:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

Hi Rick,

It's probably me but the script isn't working in my Framemaker 2022.
(I had to create the "startup" folder) In fact, when I apply the script the
document becomes 'blank': I know the actions I do are still applied but I
can't see them. Only when I close the document and I get the Do you want to
save-message, I see the document underneath...

Side note: since the start of July we have an activation issue with almost
all older Framemaker versions (Framemaker 2017, 2015,...). Our IT and Adobe
are 'looking into it'. But I can't test your script with older versions
right now.

Best regards,
Tom

Tom De Rouck
Industries & Environment
Technical Assessment & Advisory - Senior Project Manager - Documentation
Services

Mobile:  +32 (0)476 87 44 33

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Thank you Mike! The issue is the behind the scenes switch to the Adobe PDF
printer driver when the PDF is created. The PDFs are created on a dedicated
computer, so I should be able to solve it by changing the default printer
driver to Adobe PDF.



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Hi All,

FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a
changebar next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution that
puts a nice changebar along the whole height of a table. Please see my Store
page for a screenshot and download link. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Rick

http://www.frameexpert.com/





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I have this script and it's worth every penny!!!

Highly recommend.

TVB

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> Of r...@rickquatro.com
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 6:53 AM
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> 
> Subject: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
>
> Hi All,
>
> FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a 
> changebar next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution 
> that puts a nice changebar along the whole height of a table. Please 
> see my Store page for a screenshot and download link. As always, feedback
is appreciated.
>
> Rick
>
> http://www.f/
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Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

[rick]

Hi Tom,

The script is failing and leaving you a blank screen. Try this: after you
quit and restart FrameMaker, open your document. Before running the script
choose View > Panels > Console. Run the script and when it fails, it should
write a message to the Console. Please send me the console message and I
will fix the script. Thank you very much for the feedback.

Rick

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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 1:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

Hi Rick,

It's probably me but the script isn't working in my Framemaker 2022.
(I had to create the "startup" folder) In fact, when I apply the script the
document becomes 'blank': I know the actions I do are still applied but I
can't see them. Only when I close the document and I get the Do you want to
save-message, I see the document underneath...

Side note: since the start of July we have an activation issue with almost
all older Framemaker versions (Framemaker 2017, 2015,...). Our IT and Adobe
are 'looking into it'. But I can't test your script with older versions
right now.

Best regards,
Tom

Tom De Rouck
Industries & Environment
Technical Assessment & Advisory - Senior Project Manager - Documentation
Services

Mobile:  +32 (0)476 87 44 33

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Thank you Mike! The issue is the behind the scenes switch to the Adobe PDF
printer driver when the PDF is created. The PDFs are created on a dedicated
computer, so I should be able to solve it by changing the default printer
driver to Adobe PDF.



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Subject: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
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Hi All,

FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a
changebar next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution that
puts a nice changebar along the whole height of a table. Please see my Store
page for a screenshot and download link. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Rick

http://www.frameexpert.com/





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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 15:37:24 +
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Subject: Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have this script and it's worth every penny!!!

Highly recommend.

TVB

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> Of r...@rickquatro.com
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 6:53 AM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
>
> Hi All,
>
> FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a 
> changebar next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution 
> that puts a nice changebar along the whole height of a table. Please 
> see my Store page for a screenshot and download link. As always, feedback
is appreciated.
>
> Rick
>
> http://www.f/
> rameexpert.com%2F=05%7C01%7Ctom.derouck%40sgs.com%7Ced5bcfa58b324
> edaece108dba5a67e17%7Ce96fa72bc8d6495796bdc7f8dc30c

Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

[de Rouck, Tom (Zelzate)]

Hi Rick,

It's probably me but the script isn't working in my Framemaker 2022.
(I had to create the "startup" folder) In fact, when I apply the script the 
document becomes 'blank': I know the actions I do are still applied but I can't 
see them. Only when I close the document and I get the Do you want to 
save-message, I see the document underneath...

Side note: since the start of July we have an activation issue with almost all 
older Framemaker versions (Framemaker 2017, 2015,...). Our IT and Adobe are 
'looking into it'. But I can't test your script with older versions right now.

Best regards,
Tom

Tom De Rouck
Industries & Environment
Technical Assessment & Advisory - Senior Project Manager - Documentation 
Services

Mobile:  +32 (0)476 87 44 33

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Thank you Mike! The issue is the behind the scenes switch to the Adobe PDF 
printer driver when the PDF is created. The PDFs are created on a dedicated 
computer, so I should be able to solve it by changing the default printer 
driver to Adobe PDF.



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Subject: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
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Hi All,

FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a changebar 
next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution that puts a nice 
changebar along the whole height of a table. Please see my Store page for a 
screenshot and download link. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Rick

http://www.frameexpert.com/





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Subject: Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
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I have this script and it's worth every penny!!!

Highly recommend.

TVB

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> Of r...@rickquatro.com
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 6:53 AM
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> 
> Subject: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
>
> Hi All,
>
> FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a
> changebar next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution
> that puts a nice changebar along the whole height of a table. Please
> see my Store page for a screenshot and download link. As always, feedback is 
> appreciated.
>
> Rick
>
> http://www.f/
> rameexpert.com%2F=05%7C01%7Ctom.derouck%40sgs.com%7Ced5bcfa58b324
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Re: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

[Tammy Van Boening]

I have this script and it's worth every penny!!!

Highly recommend.

TVB

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> Subject: [Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a 
> changebar
> next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution that puts a nice
> changebar along the whole height of a table. Please see my Store page for a
> screenshot and download link. As always, feedback is appreciated.
> 
> Rick
> 
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
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[Framers] A free script for adding changebars to tables

[rick]

Hi All,

FrameMaker changebars work well in text, but it is difficult to put a
changebar next to an entire table. I have a free scripting solution that
puts a nice changebar along the whole height of a table. Please see my Store
page for a screenshot and download link. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Rick

www.frameexpert.com

 

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[Framers] Problem with Creating Tables with different TableTitles in FM via MIF file.

[Orly Zimmerman]

 HI Rick,
Yes, that is the code used, or some variation of it. It works if the file is 
its own file (i.e. not split).
If the file is split into the MIF template being called from the MIF with the 
text flow and Tbls then the table title is on its own (i.e. in FM I see "Table 
1: " with no name for the table) - where/how does it get populated?

Here is a copy of the beginning of the Tbls code: ( I can supply the code, but 
it's too long for here).


#orly Adding next line with Table Format-this is not needed if I don't need the 
TableTitle populated. It pulls the format from the template MIF. If I copy the 
table, it even numbers them correctly, but I can't figure how to get text into 
them. The string below with the example Register Name doesn't show in FM.
 

#Adding Table Title
 # Forces lookup in Paragraph Catalog.
 #even without this line, the table shows up in FM 
with "Table 1: " as its title

> # end of ParaLine
> # end of Para
> # end of TblTitleContent
> # end of TblTitle
> #end of TblFormat




>
> # end of Para
> # end of CellContent
> # end of Cell

#... it goes on to end the rows and cells properly. As well as end the Tbls.
  
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Re: [Framers] Problem with Creating Tables with different TableTitles in FM via MIF file.

[Rick Quatro]

Is this what you have for the title?

   # end of Notes

 
 
 
 > # end of ParaLine
> # end of Para
   > # end of TblTitleContent
  > # end of TblTitle

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Problem with Creating Tables with different TableTitles
in FM via MIF file.

HI All,
I'm trying to create a simple MIF file that contains tables and can be read
via FM. 
I need this structure for my engineers, so that they can export data in a
pre-defined table format. 

So I have the structure of the table (basically copied the structure given
by one of FM's Sample MIF files (included with the FM installation)). 
In any case. Then I actually read the MIF manual and was able to create the
table and a short body page by creating 2 MIF files. 
 - One MIF file is used as the template file with all my
paras/chars/tables/variables/master pages/ etc defined. (It's very long)
 - The other MIF file includes for now, one table (it will include all the
tables in the Tbls) and the Text Flow. The table is built basically from a
table header and body rows. It has an "include ( template.mif) to call the
template file (so that this MIF file is "only" about 300 lines long and easy
for my developer to follows its syntax so that s/he can auto generate tables
from their database into FM - and the developer doesn't have to deal with
unnecessary defs). This will be used to create all the ")
and then define exceptions to the Table Format by giving the statement name
for the specific property and then redefining it.  i.e. create a local
definition (instantiation) based on the Table catalog definition. (The MIF
manual gives an example of redefining the number of columns and then
adjusting their width - there is nothing about the table title property).
For some reason this does not work with the TableTitle. Any ideas why not? 

Thanks so much,
Orly Zimmerman
Xsight Labs

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[Framers] Problem with Creating Tables with different TableTitles in FM via MIF file.

[Orly Zimmerman]

HI All, 
I'm trying to create a simple MIF file that contains tables and can be read via 
FM. 
I need this structure for my engineers, so that they can export data in a 
pre-defined table format. 

So I have the structure of the table (basically copied the structure given by 
one of FM's Sample MIF files (included with the FM installation)). 
In any case. Then I actually read the MIF manual and was able to create the 
table and a short body page by creating 2 MIF files. 
 - One MIF file is used as the template file with all my 
paras/chars/tables/variables/master pages/ etc defined. (It's very long)
 - The other MIF file includes for now, one table (it will include all the 
tables in the Tbls) and the Text Flow. The table is built basically from a 
table header and body rows. It has an "include ( template.mif) to call the 
template file (so that this MIF file is "only" about 300 lines long and easy 
for my developer to follows its syntax so that s/he can auto generate tables 
from their database into FM - and the developer doesn't have to deal with 
unnecessary defs). This will be used to create all the ") and then 
define exceptions to the Table Format by giving the statement name for the 
specific property and then redefining it.  i.e. create a local definition 
(instantiation) based on the Table catalog definition. (The MIF manual gives an 
example of redefining the number of columns and then adjusting their width - 
there is nothing about the table title property).
For some reason this does not work with the TableTitle. Any ideas why not? 

Thanks so much, 
Orly Zimmerman
Xsight Labs

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Re: [Framers] Tables question

[Doug]

Thanks to both Lynne and Rick, I understand how it works now.

Love this list!

Doug
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Re: [Framers] Tables question

[Lynne A. Price]

On 1/27/2020 5:25 AM, Doug wrote:

Is there a way to define a Table style that uses alternating color body row
shading?  I want a table where the rows alternate between green and white.
The Table Designer Shading tab seems to want to make all the rows the same
color.

Doug,
   To add to Rick's reply, FM does support the shading you want. The 
Shading tab of the Table designer allows you to set up two-color 
patterns for either body rows or columns, but not both. Since you are 
interested in row shading, in the rest of this message, I will describe 
row shading; column shading is analogous.
    FM divides the rows in the table into consecutive blocks. Each 
block contains the sum of the number of rows you specify as First and 
the number of rows you specify as Next. Depending on the number of rows, 
the table may end with a partial block. In your case, you should specify 
1 for both First and Next so that each block has 2 rows.  Then specify 
Green as the color for First rows. It doesn't matter what color is 
specified for Next rows as long as the Fill is set to None. Note that 
the field labels may seem a bit confusing since "First" does not refer 
only to the first rows in the table, but to the first rows in each block 
and "Next" refers to the remaining rows in each block. You could define 
more complicated problems such as 2 White rows followed by 6 Blue rows.
 For more complicated patterns, such as those using three or more 
colors, you will have to use Table > Custom Ruling & Shading.
 You can also specify a color for header and footer rows, but all 
rows in both header and footer will have the same color.

    --Lynne

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Re: [Framers] Tables question

[Rick Quatro]

Open a blank, Portrait document and insert a Shaded Blue table. Click in the
table and open the Table Designer. Go to the Shading tab and you will see
how it is set up.

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 8:25 AM
To: Framers 
Subject: [Framers] Tables question

Is there a way to define a Table style that uses alternating color body row
shading?  I want a table where the rows alternate between green and white.
The Table Designer Shading tab seems to want to make all the rows the same
color.

I'm using FM 2017.

Thanks!

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[Framers] Tables question

[Doug]

Is there a way to define a Table style that uses alternating color body row
shading?  I want a table where the rows alternate between green and white.
The Table Designer Shading tab seems to want to make all the rows the same
color.

I'm using FM 2017.

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Re: [Framers] Runaround properties for tables in FrameMaker?

[Peter Kelly]

Thanks for the answer. A student of mine wanted to be able to do this to use up 
white space. I don't think it's worthwhile really to insert tables into text 
boxes since that would disturb the automatic flow of text before and after the 
table. 

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You can't do that using table properties. You could if you created a text frame 
and inserted the table inside the frame. If you have standard table 
configurations that take up the same space on the page, you could probably save 
a text frame somewhere, copy and paste it in, then insert the table.
Or Silicon Prairie has the Autotext plugin which would let you set it up in a 
document and insert as needed, frame and table at the same time.

Why are you trying to do this, btw? Is it because your tables aren't as wide as 
the page so you want to take advantage of the blank space?

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:07 PM Peter Kelly  wrote:

> Hi Framers,
>
> Have always had good advice from you so am out to test my luck again. 
> Is there a way of specifying runaround properties for tables? Whenever 
> I have a table in a main text flow, I am not able to make text 
> runaround the table. I've only been able to make text precede and 
> follow. Creating a two column layout for this just seems like a lot of 
> work that would not be re-used. Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Peter
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Re: [Framers] Runaround properties for tables in FrameMaker?

[quills]

Place a text frame in the text flow, and set the run-around properties for 
that. They insert your table.

> On May 10, 2019, at 13:59, Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
> You can't do that using table properties. You could if you created a text
> frame and inserted the table inside the frame. If you have standard table
> configurations that take up the same space on the page, you could probably
> save a text frame somewhere, copy and paste it in, then insert the table.
> Or Silicon Prairie has the Autotext plugin which would let you set it up in
> a document and insert as needed, frame and table at the same time.
> 
> Why are you trying to do this, btw? Is it because your tables aren't as
> wide as the page so you want to take advantage of the blank space?
> 
>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:07 PM Peter Kelly  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Framers,
>> 
>> Have always had good advice from you so am out to test my luck again. Is
>> there a way of specifying runaround properties for tables? Whenever I have
>> a table in a main text flow, I am not able to make text runaround the
>> table. I've only been able to make text precede and follow. Creating a two
>> column layout for this just seems like a lot of work that would not be
>> re-used. Any advice is appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Peter
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Re: [Framers] Runaround properties for tables in FrameMaker?

[Lin Sims]

You can't do that using table properties. You could if you created a text
frame and inserted the table inside the frame. If you have standard table
configurations that take up the same space on the page, you could probably
save a text frame somewhere, copy and paste it in, then insert the table.
Or Silicon Prairie has the Autotext plugin which would let you set it up in
a document and insert as needed, frame and table at the same time.

Why are you trying to do this, btw? Is it because your tables aren't as
wide as the page so you want to take advantage of the blank space?

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:07 PM Peter Kelly  wrote:

> Hi Framers,
>
> Have always had good advice from you so am out to test my luck again. Is
> there a way of specifying runaround properties for tables? Whenever I have
> a table in a main text flow, I am not able to make text runaround the
> table. I've only been able to make text precede and follow. Creating a two
> column layout for this just seems like a lot of work that would not be
> re-used. Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Peter
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[Framers] Runaround properties for tables in FrameMaker?

[Peter Kelly]

Hi Framers,

Have always had good advice from you so am out to test my luck again. Is there 
a way of specifying runaround properties for tables? Whenever I have a table in 
a main text flow, I am not able to make text runaround the table. I've only 
been able to make text precede and follow. Creating a two column layout for 
this just seems like a lot of work that would not be re-used. Any advice is 
appreciated.

Best,
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Lin Sims]

This has been bugging me.

So I added it as a feature request for FrameMaker 2019. It's just weird
that the premiere DTP doesn't have this as a feature already.

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5521

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 3:25 PM Doug  wrote:

> It's not working for me here...
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Pat Christenson <
> pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:
>
> > There is a double "dotted" line used in tables in a template that I
> > inherited.
> >
> > If you open Custom Ruling & Shading and click Edit Ruling Style, you can
> > create a new or edit an existing style. In this template, the Color is
> > Black, the Pen Pattern is 30%, the Width is 0.5 pt and Double-Gap is
> 2.0. I
> > think the Pen Pattern is what does the trick
> >
> > Pat Christenson
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Doug]

It's not working for me here...


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Pat Christenson <
pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:

> There is a double "dotted" line used in tables in a template that I
> inherited.
>
> If you open Custom Ruling & Shading and click Edit Ruling Style, you can
> create a new or edit an existing style. In this template, the Color is
> Black, the Pen Pattern is 30%, the Width is 0.5 pt and Double-Gap is 2.0. I
> think the Pen Pattern is what does the trick
>
> Pat Christenson
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Pat Christenson]

There is a double "dotted" line used in tables in a template that I inherited.

If you open Custom Ruling & Shading and click Edit Ruling Style, you can create 
a new or edit an existing style. In this template, the Color is Black, the Pen 
Pattern is 30%, the Width is 0.5 pt and Double-Gap is 2.0. I think the Pen 
Pattern is what does the trick

Pat Christenson

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:05 AM
To: Frame Users 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

You know, I don't think I've ever noticed before that you can't use dotted or 
dashed lines for column or row borders. I guess because I never had a need to. 
Interesting.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM Doug  wrote:

> Err, that appeared to do it on-screen, but when I print, the lines are 
> solid.
>
> The only configurable settings for Ruling Styles are color, width, and 
> pen pattern, which is merely a percentage.  That just fades the 
> intensity of the color.  That's not a "pattern", I don't think.
>
> None of the pre-designed formats use dashed lines either.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Doug  wrote:
> > That did it.  Thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro 
> wrote:
> >> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling 
> >> Styles,
> choose
> >> Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit Ruling 
> >> Style
> button
> >> and you will be able to edit and create Ruling Styles.
> >>
> >> Rick Quatro
> >> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> >> r...@frameexpert.com
> >> 585-729-6746 NEW!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Framers 
> >> 
> On
> >> Behalf Of Doug
> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
> >> To: Framers 
> >> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
> >>
> >> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but
> dashed row
> >> lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make this, like 
> >> how
> it can
> >> be done in Word.
> >>
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Lin Sims]

Has anyone ever added that as a feature request?

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 12:59 PM Doug  wrote:

> NP.  Even with its quirks, Frame is still preferable to Word.  :D
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> > I am sorry Doug, that's my fault. I thought you could do dashed lines,
> but
> > apparently you can't.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers 
> On
> > Behalf Of Doug
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:21 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Formatting tables
> >
> > Err, that appeared to do it on-screen, but when I print, the lines are
> > solid.
> >
> > The only configurable settings for Ruling Styles are color, width, and
> pen
> > pattern, which is merely a percentage.  That just fades the intensity of
> the
> > color.  That's not a "pattern", I don't think.
> >
> > None of the pre-designed formats use dashed lines either.
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Doug  wrote:
> >> That did it.  Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro 
> wrote:
> >>> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles,
> >>> choose Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit
> >>> Ruling Style button and you will be able to edit and create Ruling
> > Styles.
> >>>
> >>> Rick Quatro
> >>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> >>> r...@frameexpert.com
> >>> 585-729-6746 NEW!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers
> >>>  On Behalf
> >>> Of Doug
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
> >>> To: Framers 
> >>> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
> >>>
> >>> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but
> >>> dashed row lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make
> >>> this, like how it can be done in Word.
> >>>
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Doug]

NP.  Even with its quirks, Frame is still preferable to Word.  :D

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> I am sorry Doug, that's my fault. I thought you could do dashed lines, but
> apparently you can't.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  On
> Behalf Of Doug
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:21 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Formatting tables
>
> Err, that appeared to do it on-screen, but when I print, the lines are
> solid.
>
> The only configurable settings for Ruling Styles are color, width, and pen
> pattern, which is merely a percentage.  That just fades the intensity of the
> color.  That's not a "pattern", I don't think.
>
> None of the pre-designed formats use dashed lines either.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Doug  wrote:
>> That did it.  Thanks!
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
>>> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles,
>>> choose Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit
>>> Ruling Style button and you will be able to edit and create Ruling
> Styles.
>>>
>>> Rick Quatro
>>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>> r...@frameexpert.com
>>> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers
>>>  On Behalf
>>> Of Doug
>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
>>> To: Framers 
>>> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
>>>
>>> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but
>>> dashed row lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make
>>> this, like how it can be done in Word.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> ___
>>>
>>> This message is from the Framers mailing list
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Rick Quatro]

I am sorry Doug, that's my fault. I thought you could do dashed lines, but
apparently you can't.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:21 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

Err, that appeared to do it on-screen, but when I print, the lines are
solid.

The only configurable settings for Ruling Styles are color, width, and pen
pattern, which is merely a percentage.  That just fades the intensity of the
color.  That's not a "pattern", I don't think.

None of the pre-designed formats use dashed lines either.

Ideas?

Thanks.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Doug  wrote:
> That did it.  Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
>> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles, 
>> choose Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit 
>> Ruling Style button and you will be able to edit and create Ruling
Styles.
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
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>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers 
>>  On Behalf 
>> Of Doug
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
>> To: Framers 
>> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
>>
>> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but 
>> dashed row lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make 
>> this, like how it can be done in Word.
>>
>> Doug
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Lin Sims]

You know, I don't think I've ever noticed before that you can't use dotted
or dashed lines for column or row borders. I guess because I never had a
need to. Interesting.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM Doug  wrote:

> Err, that appeared to do it on-screen, but when I print, the lines are
> solid.
>
> The only configurable settings for Ruling Styles are color, width, and
> pen pattern, which is merely a percentage.  That just fades the
> intensity of the color.  That's not a "pattern", I don't think.
>
> None of the pre-designed formats use dashed lines either.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Doug  wrote:
> > That did it.  Thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro 
> wrote:
> >> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles,
> choose
> >> Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit Ruling Style
> button
> >> and you will be able to edit and create Ruling Styles.
> >>
> >> Rick Quatro
> >> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> >> r...@frameexpert.com
> >> 585-729-6746 NEW!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Framers 
> On
> >> Behalf Of Doug
> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
> >> To: Framers 
> >> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
> >>
> >> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but
> dashed row
> >> lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make this, like how
> it can
> >> be done in Word.
> >>
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Doug]

Err, that appeared to do it on-screen, but when I print, the lines are solid.

The only configurable settings for Ruling Styles are color, width, and
pen pattern, which is merely a percentage.  That just fades the
intensity of the color.  That's not a "pattern", I don't think.

None of the pre-designed formats use dashed lines either.

Ideas?

Thanks.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Doug  wrote:
> That did it.  Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
>> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles, choose
>> Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit Ruling Style button
>> and you will be able to edit and create Ruling Styles.
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers  On
>> Behalf Of Doug
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
>> To: Framers 
>> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
>>
>> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but dashed row
>> lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make this, like how it can
>> be done in Word.
>>
>> Doug
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Doug]

That did it.  Thanks!

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles, choose
> Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit Ruling Style button
> and you will be able to edit and create Ruling Styles.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  On
> Behalf Of Doug
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
> To: Framers 
> Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables
>
> Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but dashed row
> lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make this, like how it can
> be done in Word.
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Re: [Framers] Formatting tables

[Rick Quatro]

Table ruling are based on Ruling Styles. To create new Ruling Styles, choose
Table > Format > Custom Ruling & Shading. Click the Edit Ruling Style button
and you will be able to edit and create Ruling Styles.

Rick Quatro
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585-729-6746 NEW!



-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
To: Framers 
Subject: [Framers] Formatting tables

Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but dashed row
lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make this, like how it can
be done in Word.

Doug
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[Framers] Formatting tables

[Doug]

Will Frame let me format a table so it has solid column lines but
dashed row lines?  I'm not seeing anything that would let me make
this, like how it can be done in Word.

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Re: [Framers] Tables - shading and ruling etc

[Carol J. Elkins]

Caroline, consider purchasing the very inexpensive TableCleaner 
plug-in that Rick Quatro built to strip out all of the Word 
formatting on tables and applying the defined table styles. It won't 
help with shading, but it will certainly make it far easier to 
predictably apply formatting to the table.


You can get the plug-in here: 
http://www.frameexpert.com/store/index.html. I am not affiliated in 
any way; I'm just a very grateful user.


Carol

At 01:13 AM 8/22/2018, Caroline Tabach wrote:

I am finally converting user guides from Word to Frame 2017.
The conversion went very well, however, the user guide I received has many
tables with shading and ruling in all sorts of places, which reflect the
way they are divided on screen
In Frame is there a way to add ruling or shading to a particular cell.
Is it worth trying to copy all of this, as these changes need to be done
manually?


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[Framers] Tables - shading and ruling etc

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi,

I am finally converting user guides from Word to Frame 2017.
The conversion went very well, however, the user guide I received has many
tables with shading and ruling in all sorts of places, which reflect the
way they are divided on screen

I have not yet decided whether this is the best way to document, but this
is how the guides are set up.

In Frame is there a way to add ruling or shading to a particular cell.

Is it worth trying to copy all of this, as these changes need to be done
manually?



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Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Rows Outlined in FrameMaker Tables

[Robert Lauriston]

The conditional text display settings should not affect table border
thickness in PDF or other outputs.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 5:48 AM, Keith Soltys <keith.sol...@tmx.com> wrote:
> In the Show/Hide conditional text dialog, there is a check box to turn off
> display of conditional text indicators. Clear this check box and the
> borders will go away. The conditions are still active.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Tony Marek (PDF) <tony.ma...@pdf.com> wrote:
>
>> ... If I mark a row in a Frame table as conditional with a specific tag (e.g.
>> “ACME Corp Only” tag), and then publish with that condition displayed, the
>> result is always a very heavy outline around that table row, in the color
>> of the condition tag. So, if I publish an ACME Corp Only book with tables,
>> then for the table rows with that conditional tag, there is an extra-heavy
>> border around the row.  This border displays in the color of the tag, no
>> matter what my other display options are. And the anomaly prints to .pdf or
>> other outputs, so the end-user gets to see this confusing heavy border
>> around certain rows. Setting row/column borders to “none” does not
>> eliminate this conditional border. ...
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Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Rows Outlined in FrameMaker Tables

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In the Show/Hide conditional text dialog, there is a check box to turn off
display of conditional text indicators. Clear this check box and the
borders will go away. The conditions are still active.

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> Hello Framers – I’ve had this annoying issue for a long time. I’m currently
> using Frame 12.
>
>
>
> If I mark a row in a Frame table as conditional with a specific tag (e.g.
> “ACME Corp Only” tag), and then publish with that condition displayed, the
> result is always a very heavy outline around that table row, in the color
> of the condition tag. So, if I publish an ACME Corp Only book with tables,
> then for the table rows with that conditional tag, there is an extra-heavy
> border around the row.  This border displays in the color of the tag, no
> matter what my other display options are. And the anomaly prints to .pdf or
> other outputs, so the end-user gets to see this confusing heavy border
> around certain rows. Setting row/column borders to “none” does not
> eliminate this conditional border. Do any of you know a way around this
> feature/bug? This issue has been around forever. The whole point of
> conditional content is to have it displayed or hidden without any visual
> cues that it’s conditional (unless you want them).
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony M.
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[Framers] Conditional Text Rows Outlined in FrameMaker Tables

[Tony Marek (PDF)]

Hello Framers – I’ve had this annoying issue for a long time. I’m currently
using Frame 12.



If I mark a row in a Frame table as conditional with a specific tag (e.g.
“ACME Corp Only” tag), and then publish with that condition displayed, the
result is always a very heavy outline around that table row, in the color
of the condition tag. So, if I publish an ACME Corp Only book with tables,
then for the table rows with that conditional tag, there is an extra-heavy
border around the row.  This border displays in the color of the tag, no
matter what my other display options are. And the anomaly prints to .pdf or
other outputs, so the end-user gets to see this confusing heavy border
around certain rows. Setting row/column borders to “none” does not
eliminate this conditional border. Do any of you know a way around this
feature/bug? This issue has been around forever. The whole point of
conditional content is to have it displayed or hidden without any visual
cues that it’s conditional (unless you want them).



Thanks,

Tony M.

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker crash while working in tables

[Pat Christenson]

No and no. These are very vanilla tables.

Pat

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker crash while working in tables

Hi Pat,

Do the tables have conditional rows in them? Did they originate from Word 
documents?

Rick

Rick Quatro
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Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker crash while working in tables

For about a week or so, FrameMaker crashes when I'm working in a table (not the 
same table; any table). When I relaunch, the same thing happens. I've saved to 
MIF and opened that and that usually fixed the "corruption" (for lack of a 
better term), at least for that table. Sometimes I need to restart my system to 
get FM to launch again.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I'm on FM 2017, 14.0.3.500, Windows 10.

Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker crash while working in tables

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Hi Pat,

Do the tables have conditional rows in them? Did they originate from Word
documents?

Rick

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Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker crash while working in tables

For about a week or so, FrameMaker crashes when I'm working in a table (not
the same table; any table). When I relaunch, the same thing happens. I've
saved to MIF and opened that and that usually fixed the "corruption" (for
lack of a better term), at least for that table. Sometimes I need to restart
my system to get FM to launch again.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I'm on FM 2017, 14.0.3.500, Windows 10.

Any help will be appreciated.

I hope FM doesn't need to be reinstalled because I would have to leave my
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[Framers] FrameMaker crash while working in tables

[Pat Christenson]

For about a week or so, FrameMaker crashes when I'm working in a table (not the 
same table; any table). When I relaunch, the same thing happens. I've saved to 
MIF and opened that and that usually fixed the "corruption" (for lack of a 
better term), at least for that table. Sometimes I need to restart my system to 
get FM to launch again.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I'm on FM 2017, 14.0.3.500, Windows 10.

Any help will be appreciated.

I hope FM doesn't need to be reinstalled because I would have to leave my 
computer with them.


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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Tables in Responsive HTML5

[Ben Anderson]

Just a quick update/FYI, I did not have the latest FrameMaker patch installed.  
So, after updating Frame and rebuilding the book, the Responsive HTML 5 output 
was fine.

Thanks again,
--Ben

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Thanks.

Well, in that case, my tech-support-troubleshooting mindset suggests that if 
converting individual files works correctly, and converting books of files 
doesn't, then there's likely a bug in the book-processing code.
Probably something like assuming that storing an early determination of an 
object's property can speed the overall process by reusing that definition for 
subsequent instances of that property.

It's worth reporting it as a bug. Of course, this won't fix the problem in the 
near term, so perhaps you could investigate processing the set of FM files 
individually with a script, or fixing the outputted HTML5 code to correct the 
conversion errors.

HTH

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> Unfortunately no, they are not all the same table style.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Are all affected tables assigned the same style?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Tables in Responsive HTML5

[Ben Anderson]

Thanks very much for the information!!

--Ben

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Thanks.

Well, in that case, my tech-support-troubleshooting mindset suggests that if 
converting individual files works correctly, and converting books of files 
doesn't, then there's likely a bug in the book-processing code.
Probably something like assuming that storing an early determination of an 
object's property can speed the overall process by reusing that definition for 
subsequent instances of that property.

It's worth reporting it as a bug. Of course, this won't fix the problem in the 
near term, so perhaps you could investigate processing the set of FM files 
individually with a script, or fixing the outputted HTML5 code to correct the 
conversion errors.

HTH

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Ben Anderson < 
ben.ander...@bankerstoolbox.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately no, they are not all the same table style.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Are all affected tables assigned the same style?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Tables in Responsive HTML5

[Peter Gold]

Thanks.

Well, in that case, my tech-support-troubleshooting mindset suggests that
if converting individual files works correctly, and converting books of
files doesn't, then there's likely a bug in the book-processing code.
Probably something like assuming that storing an early determination of an
object's property can speed the overall process by reusing that definition
for subsequent instances of that property.

It's worth reporting it as a bug. Of course, this won't fix the problem in
the near term, so perhaps you could investigate processing the set of FM
files individually with a script, or fixing the outputted HTML5 code to
correct the conversion errors.

HTH

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> Unfortunately no, they are not all the same table style.
>
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> Are all affected tables assigned the same style?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Tables in Responsive HTML5

[Ben Anderson]

Unfortunately no, they are not all the same table style.

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Are all affected tables assigned the same style?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Ben Anderson < 
ben.ander...@bankerstoolbox.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have a FrameMaker (2017 Version: 14.0.0.361) book with about 24 
> sections/chapters and roughly 100 or so tables throughout.  Some of 
> the tables have shading (i.e. blue header rows) and some have no 
> shading at all.  When I convert the book to Responsive HTML5, the blue 
> color seems to "bleed" into other columns and rows even in tables that 
> have no shading at all.  If I output each file individually to 
> Responsive HTML5, there are no problems.  The "bleed" issue only seems 
> to happen when I build the book and output the whole book file.  Under 
> "Style Mapping" I have the tables set to [Use Source Style].  If I map 
> the Frame tables to a corresponding Responsive HTML5 style, I'm 
> assuming I'll lose my Frame formatting, which I would like to avoid.
>
> I've used FrameMaker before, but this is my first time outputting to 
> Responsive HTML5, so any information would be great.
>
> Thanks!
> --Ben
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Tables in Responsive HTML5

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Are all affected tables assigned the same style?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Ben Anderson <
ben.ander...@bankerstoolbox.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have a FrameMaker (2017 Version: 14.0.0.361) book with about 24
> sections/chapters and roughly 100 or so tables throughout.  Some of the
> tables have shading (i.e. blue header rows) and some have no shading at
> all.  When I convert the book to Responsive HTML5, the blue color seems to
> "bleed" into other columns and rows even in tables that have no shading at
> all.  If I output each file individually to Responsive HTML5, there are no
> problems.  The "bleed" issue only seems to happen when I build the book and
> output the whole book file.  Under "Style Mapping" I have the tables set to
> [Use Source Style].  If I map the Frame tables to a corresponding
> Responsive HTML5 style, I'm assuming I'll lose my Frame formatting, which I
> would like to avoid.
>
> I've used FrameMaker before, but this is my first time outputting to
> Responsive HTML5, so any information would be great.
>
> Thanks!
> --Ben
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[Framers] FrameMaker Tables in Responsive HTML5

[Ben Anderson]

Hello All,

I have a FrameMaker (2017 Version: 14.0.0.361) book with about 24 
sections/chapters and roughly 100 or so tables throughout.  Some of the tables 
have shading (i.e. blue header rows) and some have no shading at all.  When I 
convert the book to Responsive HTML5, the blue color seems to "bleed" into 
other columns and rows even in tables that have no shading at all.  If I output 
each file individually to Responsive HTML5, there are no problems.  The "bleed" 
issue only seems to happen when I build the book and output the whole book 
file.  Under "Style Mapping" I have the tables set to [Use Source Style].  If I 
map the Frame tables to a corresponding Responsive HTML5 style, I'm assuming 
I'll lose my Frame formatting, which I would like to avoid.

I've used FrameMaker before, but this is my first time outputting to Responsive 
HTML5, so any information would be great.

Thanks!
--Ben
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Re: [Framers] Breaking tables across pages?

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Is there a cell straddle preventing the table break?

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> Select all rows of the table and make sure keep with next or previous are not 
> set
> Go to the table designes and chech that widow/orpan rows is not set too large.
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 2017-04-25 14:17, Studio Smalbro wrote:
>> Running FM 2015 and I cannot make FrameMaker break tables across
>> pages. It should be simple... Insert cursor -->Table-> Format -> Row
>> Format -> Break table. Nothing happens. Can't figure it out. Am I
>> missing something?
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Re: [Framers] Breaking tables across pages?

[Peter Hirons]

Select all rows of the table and make sure keep with next or previous 
are not set
Go to the table designes and chech that widow/orpan rows is not set too 
large.


---


Peter

On 2017-04-25 14:17, Studio Smalbro wrote:

Running FM 2015 and I cannot make FrameMaker break tables across
pages. It should be simple... Insert cursor -->Table-> Format -> Row
Format -> Break table. Nothing happens. Can't figure it out. Am I
missing something?

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[Framers] Breaking tables across pages?

[Studio Smalbro]

Running FM 2015 and I cannot make FrameMaker break tables across pages. 
It should be simple... Insert cursor -->Table-> Format -> Row Format -> 
Break table. Nothing happens. Can't figure it out. Am I  missing something?


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Re: [Framers] White space in tables

[Urszula]

I am with you on FM random behavior. Glad you got it to work.
:)

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> On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:
> 
> Before I forget, I am using FrameMaker 2015. I checked and 
> RemoveExtraWhiteSpaceOnXMLImport is On. Thanks for the suggestion.
> 
> Apparently, it is the way the original xml is "formatted". If I change this:
> 
> 
> January 1, 2017
> $10.50
> $10.00(current rate)
> 
> 
> To this (the whole ... one one line):
> 
> January 1, 2017$10.50$10.00(current rate)
> 
> I no longer get the extra white space. Note that with the former, I was only 
> getting the extra white space inside the first  but not the other two.
> 
> I can get the desired result by using
> 
> 
> 
> in my stylesheet, but in my opinion, FrameMaker is being stupid with this 
> behavior. There is no reason it should put the extra white space in the first 
> column. Thanks.
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: Urszula Witherell [mailto:urszulawither...@jetsetcom.net] 
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 10:30 AM
> To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] White space in tables
> 
> You may want to check two places:
> EDD Suffix rules that could add a space to  element
> or
> maker.ini line: RemoveExtraWhiteSpacesOnXMLImport=On
> it may be Off
> 
> Best regards,
> Urszula
> 
> On January 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:
> Hello and Happy New Year Framers,
> I have xml with this basic structure for a table row:
> 
> January 1, 2017
> $10.50
> $10.00(current rate)
> 
> When I open this with FrameMaker, I get extra white space after the first
> column's  text. The second and third columns display fine. As you can
> see, there is no extra white space in my  or  elements. Any ideas on
> where the extra white space comes from and how to prevent it? Thank you very
> much.
> Rick
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] White space in tables

[Rick Quatro]

Before I forget, I am using FrameMaker 2015. I checked and 
RemoveExtraWhiteSpaceOnXMLImport is On. Thanks for the suggestion.

Apparently, it is the way the original xml is "formatted". If I change this:


January 1, 2017
$10.50
$10.00(current rate)


To this (the whole ... one one line):

January 1, 2017$10.50$10.00(current rate)

I no longer get the extra white space. Note that with the former, I was only 
getting the extra white space inside the first  but not the other two.

I can get the desired result by using



in my stylesheet, but in my opinion, FrameMaker is being stupid with this 
behavior. There is no reason it should put the extra white space in the first 
column. Thanks.

Rick

From: Urszula Witherell [mailto:urszulawither...@jetsetcom.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] White space in tables

You may want to check two places:
EDD Suffix rules that could add a space to  element
or
maker.ini line: RemoveExtraWhiteSpacesOnXMLImport=On
it may be Off

Best regards,
Urszula

On January 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:
Hello and Happy New Year Framers,
I have xml with this basic structure for a table row:

January 1, 2017
$10.50
$10.00(current rate)

When I open this with FrameMaker, I get extra white space after the first
column's  text. The second and third columns display fine. As you can
see, there is no extra white space in my  or  elements. Any ideas on
where the extra white space comes from and how to prevent it? Thank you very
much.
Rick
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] White space in tables

[Urszula Witherell]

   You may want to check two places:

   EDD Suffix rules that could add a space to  element

   or

   maker.ini line: RemoveExtraWhiteSpacesOnXMLImport=On

   it may be Off

   Best regards,

   Urszula

 On January 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rick Quatro 
 wrote:

 Hello and Happy New Year Framers,

 I have xml with this basic structure for a table row:

 
 January 1, 2017
 $10.50
 $10.00(current
 rate)
 

 When I open this with FrameMaker, I get extra white space after the
 first
 column's  text. The second and third columns display fine. As you
 can
 see, there is no extra white space in my  or  elements. Any
 ideas on
 where the extra white space comes from and how to prevent it? Thank
 you very
 much.

 Rick

 Rick Quatro
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 r...@frameexpert.com
 585-366-4017
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[Framers] White space in tables

[Rick Quatro]

Hello and Happy New Year Framers,

I have xml with this basic structure for a table row:


January 1, 2017
$10.50
$10.00(current rate)


When I open this with FrameMaker, I get extra white space after the first
column's  text. The second and third columns display fine. As you can
see, there is no extra white space in my  or  elements. Any ideas on
where the extra white space comes from and how to prevent it? Thank you very
much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017
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Word tables

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Framers,

I am looking for a Word document or two that consist mainly of some tables.
I need some material that I can demonstrate some scripts with. Any help
would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rick

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Problem with auto numbering Figures and Tables

[Thomas Scalise]

Esteemed colleagues,

I am running Frame 11.0.2.384 on Windows 7 Professional. I have a book with 5 
chapters that contain figures and/or tables. The book pages are numbered 
consecutively from 1 to 60+. Since I am not using folio page numbering, I want 
the Figures and Tables to be numbered consecutively as they appear in the book. 
I cannot get the numbering to work. It resets to zero in each chapter. I have 
created books like this before with no problems. This book is a problem child. 
I assume that there is some hidden misstep but I am at a loss. Any suggestions 
and advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

Tom Scalise
Manager, Technical Documentation

Cross Match Technologies, Inc.
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RE: Problem with auto numbering Figures and Tables

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Pardon my asking some questions that you may already have looked at:


1.  Did you mean that you want the figure number to depend the previous 
figure number _and_ previous table number (and vice versa)? I am not sure how 
that works.

If independent, meaning Figure X is followed by Figure X+1, regardless of any 
intervening tables, then as I understand, each type of item (i.e. table and 
figure) has its independent counter ... so the table counter paragraph number 
will be taken from the previous table, for example.

As long as the following is true:


2.  Have you verified that _each_ chapter file (I am assuming it is a 
separate .fm file) has its File-Numbering-Paragraph check-box value set to 
Continue Numbering From Previous Paragraph In Book?

I am not sure if the above is the specific cause of the problem you have though.

Z

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:26 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Problem with auto numbering Figures and Tables

Esteemed colleagues,

I am running Frame 11.0.2.384 on Windows 7 Professional. I have a book with 5 
chapters that contain figures and/or tables. The book pages are numbered 
consecutively from 1 to 60+. Since I am not using folio page numbering, I want 
the Figures and Tables to be numbered consecutively as they appear in the book. 
I cannot get the numbering to work. It resets to zero in each chapter. I have 
created books like this before with no problems. This book is a problem child. 
I assume that there is some hidden misstep but I am at a loss. Any suggestions 
and advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

Tom Scalise
Manager, Technical Documentation

Cross Match Technologies, Inc.
3950 RCA Boulevard, Suite 5001
Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410
U.S.A.

T   +1 561 622 5416
F   +1 561 622 9938
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Automated cross-reference format content (for reference to tables in paragraphs)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, all.

I was wondering if there is a way to achieve something, but I am not seeing a 
good (and ideally simple) way to do so.

Essentially, within a body paragraph, I want to be able to say (in the middle 
of other text, of course):


-' ... Table XX, Title of Table, ... ' when the paragraph and the 
table caption are on the same page,

-' ... Table XX, Title of Table on Page YY, ... ' when the paragraph 
and the table caption are on different pages.

I already have two cross-reference formats that I use for this purpose, but it 
is not automated. Meaning that if the paragraph and caption start out on the 
same page, I use the first format and the second format when they are on 
different pages.

But, as I add and remove and delete and edit text - all normal work - in other 
locations of the document (typically before this reference, of course), the 
paragraph and caption could get separated onto different pages.

And, then I have to go and find the cross-reference and switch it to the other 
format manually. In a long document, this is also prone to error.

I have tried using only the second format exclusively, but it looks quite silly 
to refer to the page when the table title is right there on the same page! :(

I have also tried the above and below constructs for the format, but don't 
like them as much - they are not useful (for similar look silly reasons) when 
the table caption and paragraph slide onto different pages. Because, I feel 
that above and below ought to refer to material on the same physical page.

So, I'd love to have a way to automate this as I edit document, meaning that 
the format should added the on Page YY automatically if and only if they 
reference and the table are on different pages. All on the fly, so that I don't 
have to think about it! :)

Any thoughts?

Z

P.S. Conceptually, I am also looking for another similar thing ... for adding 
This Page is Intentionally Blank when there is nothing on it ... but that is 
less critical.
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RE: Automated cross-reference format content (for reference to tables in paragraphs)

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Z,

 

This could certainly be done with a script (ExtendScript for FrameMaker 10
and higher; FrameScript for all versions). You could run the script manually
at the end of your editing process, or you could have it run automatically
when you open or print a document, similar to when cross-references are
automatically updated. Or, it could be run automatically on save. If you
want to pursue this further, please send me a sample document and I will
tell you what is possible and a cost. Please let me know if you have any
questions or comments. Thank you very much.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Automated cross-reference format content (for reference to tables
in paragraphs)

 

Hi, all.

 

I was wondering if there is a way to achieve something, but I am not seeing
a good (and ideally simple) way to do so.

 

Essentially, within a body paragraph, I want to be able to say (in the
middle of other text, of course):

 

-' . Table XX, Title of Table, . ' when the paragraph and the
table caption are on the same page,

-' . Table XX, Title of Table on Page YY, . ' when the paragraph
and the table caption are on different pages.

 

I already have two cross-reference formats that I use for this purpose, but
it is not automated. Meaning that if the paragraph and caption start out on
the same page, I use the first format and the second format when they are on
different pages.

 

But, as I add and remove and delete and edit text - all normal work - in
other locations of the document (typically before this reference, of
course), the paragraph and caption could get separated onto different pages.

 

And, then I have to go and find the cross-reference and switch it to the
other format manually. In a long document, this is also prone to error.

 

I have tried using only the second format exclusively, but it looks quite
silly to refer to the page when the table title is right there on the same
page! :(

 

I have also tried the above and below constructs for the format, but
don't like them as much - they are not useful (for similar look silly
reasons) when the table caption and paragraph slide onto different pages.
Because, I feel that above and below ought to refer to material on the
same physical page.

 

So, I'd love to have a way to automate this as I edit document, meaning that
the format should added the on Page YY automatically if and only if they
reference and the table are on different pages. All on the fly, so that I
don't have to think about it! :)

 

Any thoughts?

 

Z

 

P.S. Conceptually, I am also looking for another similar thing . for adding
This Page is Intentionally Blank when there is nothing on it . but that is
less critical.

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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Rebecca...

I'm not aware of a way to do this via EDD .. I think scripting or a 
plugin is your best bet. I do have a plugin called StructureSnippets 
that (among other things) will let you wrap a specified 
element/attribute in a predefined structure (like a table). I'm not sure 
how you'd use it to wrap two cells though .. perhaps multiple passes 
over the content? You could also use FrameSLT from West Street 
Consulting, which (also among many other things) lets you wrap 
elements/attributes in other elements. Both of these plugins can be run 
programmatically. However, your best bet may be to write some script 
that does exactly what you want.


Remember that however you solve this, you should be able to add the 
calling script into the DITA-FMx book-build process so that the 
processing is done as part of the map to book creation process.


Hmm .. you *could* do this via XSLT. In theory you should be able to add 
a template to the bookmap2fmbook.xsl file, which is run as part of the 
default DITA-FMx book-build process. Depending on the programming skills 
at your disposal, either ExtendScript or XSLT should be able to get you 
where you're trying to go.


Cheers,

...scott

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On 10/20/14 10:15 PM, Rebecca Officer wrote:

Hi everyone

When we publish PDFs from our DITA source files, we want to put our tasks in 
tables.

I think that means we want to change the steps element into a 2-column table, 
such that every step becomes a row. Text from the cmd element would go into the 
first column, and text from the info element would go into the second column.

Is it possible to do this through the EDD (or the read/write rules)? Or is 
there a plug-in that'd do it? I've poked at the EDD syntax but I couldn't see 
anything likely. If not, we'll do it through a script, but I wanted to check 
with people here before going down that path.

We're publishing through DITA-FMx, in case that makes a difference.

Thanks very much
Rebecca



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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Jang F.M. Graat]

Hi Rebecca,

As you need to produce PDFs, you do need the result of the transformation in 
FM. Changing the EDD is not an options, as that would take you out of the DITA 
standard (and changing the DITA EDDs in FM is almost impossible to start with - 
I tried and it really is horrible).

Using scripts in FM to change the DITA steps into table rows has the same 
problem, as it will invalidate your DITA sources. You could do this but you 
would have to completely convert the task into a reference topic. That is a 
major difficulty and should be avoided as well.

This leaves you with one possible scenario: do the transform using XSL when 
preparing the materials for output to PDF. You can use the standard read-write 
rules in FM to write the DITA files to XML and read them back. Then add an XSL 
transform to the import from DITA XML which transforms the steps into table 
rows. This will leave you with non-standard XML looking like DITA, but as this 
material is only created to produce a PDF and not for further editing you 
should be OK.

Note that this transformation has to be done after all other steps in 
processing the DITA materials (i.e. resolving conrefs and links etc.). It 
should be the last step before producing the PDF, as the materials will not be 
valid DITA anymore when the XSL transform was done.

If you have any questions or need help in getting this to work, drop me an 
e-mail.

Kind regards

Jang

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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Rebecca,

interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
the properties element. 
It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step must 
have exactly one cmd and one info element. 

You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and it 
seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the reference 
rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in the rules 
file:

  /* steps */
element steps {
  is fm table element;
  fm property columns value is 2;
  attribute props is fm property column widths;
  }

fm element fm-stepsbody unwrap;
element step {
  is fm table row element;
  fm property row type value is Body;
  }
element cmd is fm table cell element;
element info is fm table cell element;

(note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
heading ….)

To make it work in the EDD I made steps to be Element (Table), where general 
rule is fm-stepsbody.
Then fm-stepsbody has step+ and step (Table Row) has cmd, info.
cmd and info are both Table Cell.

Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template to 
make 'clean' tasks. 
Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding steps 
very easy.

In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
correct steps xml code.

Thanks for the suggestion ….

Then 
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel

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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Scott Prentice]

Nice .. very cool. Thanks Wim!

...scott

Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. 

 On Oct 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp w...@idtp.eu wrote:
 
 Hi Rebecca,
 
 interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
 steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
 the properties element. 
 It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step 
 must have exactly one cmd and one info element. 
 
 You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and 
 it seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the 
 reference rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in 
 the rules file:
 
   /* steps */
 element steps {
   is fm table element;
   fm property columns value is 2;
   attribute props is fm property column widths;
   }
 
 fm element fm-stepsbody unwrap;
 element step {
   is fm table row element;
   fm property row type value is Body;
   }
 element cmd is fm table cell element;
 element info is fm table cell element;
 
 (note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
 heading ….)
 
 To make it work in the EDD I made steps to be Element (Table), where 
 general rule is fm-stepsbody.
 Then fm-stepsbody has step+ and step (Table Row) has cmd, info.
 cmd and info are both Table Cell.
 
 Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template 
 to make 'clean' tasks. 
 Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding 
 steps very easy.
 
 In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
 correct steps xml code.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion ….
 
 Then 
 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
  
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RE: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Rebecca Officer]

Hi Wim

Thanks very much! I’m impressed.

I’ll have to think about the restriction of each step having exactly one cmd 
and one info element. That could be good for us – forcing us to keep our 
procedures simple.

Cheers
Rebecca

From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 9:40 a.m.
To: Rebecca Officer
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

Hi Rebecca,

interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
the properties element.
It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step must 
have exactly one cmd and one info element.

You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and it 
seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the reference 
rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in the rules 
file:

  /* steps */
element steps {
  is fm table element;
  fm property columns value is 2;
  attribute props is fm property column widths;
  }

fm element fm-stepsbody unwrap;
element step {
  is fm table row element;
  fm property row type value is Body;
  }
element cmd is fm table cell element;
element info is fm table cell element;

(note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
heading ….)

To make it work in the EDD I made steps to be Element (Table), where general 
rule is fm-stepsbody.
Then fm-stepsbody has step+ and step (Table Row) has cmd, info.
cmd and info are both Table Cell.

Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template to 
make 'clean' tasks.
Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding steps 
very easy.

In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
correct steps xml code.

Thanks for the suggestion ….

Then
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

November 11-13 TcWorld 2014http://conferences.tekom.de/tcworld14/
Closing the loop with FontoXMLhttp://www.fontoxml.com
DITA content management with DITAToohttp://www.ditatoo.com

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wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Rebecca Officer]

Hi everyone

When we publish PDFs from our DITA source files, we want to put our tasks in 
tables. 

I think that means we want to change the steps element into a 2-column table, 
such that every step becomes a row. Text from the cmd element would go into the 
first column, and text from the info element would go into the second column.

Is it possible to do this through the EDD (or the read/write rules)? Or is 
there a plug-in that'd do it? I've poked at the EDD syntax but I couldn't see 
anything likely. If not, we'll do it through a script, but I wanted to check 
with people here before going down that path.

We're publishing through DITA-FMx, in case that makes a difference.

Thanks very much
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Stuart Rogers]

You would lose it if another table began below the last part of the 
split table.



On 2014-Oct-02 5:43 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

If the heading is in the header or footer, you don't lose the title.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

Not a bad idea, but this is the corporate style. We're also not
single-sourcing. (We were moving to that, but then the company got acquired
and the techcomm department was decentralized. But that's a whole other
story.)

Even if it were my call, I'm not sure I'd go that way. If the table splits
across a page, you lose the title. And these tables can go on for a couple
of pages, depending on the content..

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

In a situation like that, I use headings instead of table names. In a
single-source environment, headings are more flexible.



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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2014-Oct-01 7:01 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:

Stuart,

I haven't had need to work with text insets, but I'm wondering if you 
can shorten your procedure by inserting the non-breaking space into 
the autonumber format for the InsetAnchor paragraph format, and 
setting its position to End of paragraph. It seems like that would 
automatically add it where you want. Have you tried it?


I have. It did not work. The n-b space character appeared at the right 
margin, while the pilcrow remained at the left margin. When I placed the 
cursor ahead of the pilcrow and inserted the text inset, there was no 
character between it and the pilcrow. Updating the inset triggered the 
formatting bug.


Thanks for the suggestion, though!

s.

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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Robert Lauriston]

What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?

I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Stuart Rogers
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 If you prefer to have your tables in dedicated paragraphs ...
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

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At 12:23 -0700 2/10/14, Robert Lauriston wrote:

What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?

I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.

Main reason AFAIK is what happens to the text holding a table anchor when 
FrameMaker moves the table to the next page: some of the para holding the 
anchor is dragged there too, leaving excess white space at the foot of the 
preceding page.

There are many ways around this, but most of them become easier to manage if 
the table anchor lives in its own para.

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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?

I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Stuart Rogers
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com  wrote:

If you prefer to have your tables in dedicated paragraphs ...



It gives you greater control over spacing and positioning, without 
having to override the preceding paragraph's tag settings.


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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Lin Sims]

I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and putting
each table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all on
the same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the beginning
or end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a lot
of documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the other, so
having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.

Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much difficult to
select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about putting
a space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
(again) if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between
can make the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes
up your spacing all over again but for a different reason.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers 
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:

  On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

 What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
 instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?

 I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
 seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
 templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.

 On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Stuart Rogerssrog...@phoenix-geophysics.com 
 srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:

  If you prefer to have your tables in dedicated paragraphs ...



 It gives you greater control over spacing and positioning, without having
 to override the preceding paragraph's tag settings.

 --
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
 Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Robert Lauriston]

I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
explanatory text in between.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and putting each
 table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all on the
 same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the beginning or
 end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a lot of
 documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the other, so
 having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.

 Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much difficult to
 select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about putting a
 space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And (again)
 if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between can make
 the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes up your
 spacing all over again but for a different reason.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
 srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:

 On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

 What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
 instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?

 I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
 seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
 templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.

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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Lin Sims]

I'm describing IC chip registers. There is absolutely no point in having
text or a heading in between each one, and this particular piece of IP has
about 500 or so of them.

As always, it depends on what you're doing and who your audience is.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
 explanatory text in between.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and putting
 each
  table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all on the
  same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the beginning
 or
  end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a lot
 of
  documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the other, so
  having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.
 
  Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much difficult to
  select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about
 putting a
  space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
 (again)
  if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between can make
  the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes up your
  spacing all over again but for a different reason.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
  srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
 
  On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
 
  What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
  instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?
 
  I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
  seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
  templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.
 




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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Robert Lauriston]

How do users find the one they're looking for?

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm describing IC chip registers. There is absolutely no point in having
 text or a heading in between each one, and this particular piece of IP has
 about 500 or so of them.

 As always, it depends on what you're doing and who your audience is.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
 explanatory text in between.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and putting
  each
  table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all on the
  same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the beginning
  or
  end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a lot
  of
  documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the other, so
  having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.
 
  Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much difficult to
  select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about
  putting a
  space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
  (again)
  if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between can
  make
  the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes up
  your
  spacing all over again but for a different reason.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
  srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
 
  On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
 
  What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
  instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?
 
  I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
  seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
  templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.
 




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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Lin Sims]

For the registers, we list all the table names as active links in a table
upfront. But if I am simply scanning through the tables, I find it easier
to use the cursor button than the mouse wheel. Your mileage may, of course,
vary.  There are also places where a brief paragraph introduces a set of
tables. The data wouldn't work well combined into single table, and I'm not
about to say, The following table describes X when I've already said it
up above. It annoys my engineers and the customer engineers.

If I were in a different environment producing docs for a different
audience, I would very likely be introducing each table with some text. In
this environment, with this highly technical audience, it is neither
necessary nor wanted.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 How do users find the one they're looking for?

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm describing IC chip registers. There is absolutely no point in having
  text or a heading in between each one, and this particular piece of IP
 has
  about 500 or so of them.
 
  As always, it depends on what you're doing and who your audience is.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
  explanatory text in between.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and
 putting
   each
   table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all on
 the
   same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the
 beginning
   or
   end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a
 lot
   of
   documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the other,
 so
   having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.
  
   Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much difficult
 to
   select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about
   putting a
   space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
   (again)
   if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between can
   make
   the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes up
   your
   spacing all over again but for a different reason.
  
   On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
   srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
  
   On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
  
   What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
   instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?
  
   I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
   seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
   templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Robert Lauriston]

In a situation like that, I use headings instead of table names. In a
single-source environment, headings are more flexible.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 For the registers, we list all the table names as active links in a table
 upfront. But if I am simply scanning through the tables, I find it easier to
 use the cursor button than the mouse wheel. Your mileage may, of course,
 vary.  There are also places where a brief paragraph introduces a set of
 tables. The data wouldn't work well combined into single table, and I'm not
 about to say, The following table describes X when I've already said it up
 above. It annoys my engineers and the customer engineers.

 If I were in a different environment producing docs for a different
 audience, I would very likely be introducing each table with some text. In
 this environment, with this highly technical audience, it is neither
 necessary nor wanted.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 How do users find the one they're looking for?

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm describing IC chip registers. There is absolutely no point in having
  text or a heading in between each one, and this particular piece of IP
  has
  about 500 or so of them.
 
  As always, it depends on what you're doing and who your audience is.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
  explanatory text in between.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and
   putting
   each
   table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all on
   the
   same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the
   beginning
   or
   end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a
   lot
   of
   documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the other,
   so
   having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.
  
   Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much difficult
   to
   select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about
   putting a
   space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
   (again)
   if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between can
   make
   the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes up
   your
   spacing all over again but for a different reason.
  
   On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
   srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
  
   On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
  
   What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own paragraphs
   instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding paragraph?
  
   I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
   seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up the
   templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Lin Sims]

Not a bad idea, but this is the corporate style. We're also not
single-sourcing. (We were moving to that, but then the company got acquired
and the techcomm department was decentralized. But that's a whole other
story.)

Even if it were my call, I'm not sure I'd go that way. If the table splits
across a page, you lose the title. And these tables can go on for a couple
of pages, depending on the content..

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 In a situation like that, I use headings instead of table names. In a
 single-source environment, headings are more flexible.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  For the registers, we list all the table names as active links in a table
  upfront. But if I am simply scanning through the tables, I find it
 easier to
  use the cursor button than the mouse wheel. Your mileage may, of course,
  vary.  There are also places where a brief paragraph introduces a set of
  tables. The data wouldn't work well combined into single table, and I'm
 not
  about to say, The following table describes X when I've already said
 it up
  above. It annoys my engineers and the customer engineers.
 
  If I were in a different environment producing docs for a different
  audience, I would very likely be introducing each table with some text.
 In
  this environment, with this highly technical audience, it is neither
  necessary nor wanted.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  How do users find the one they're looking for?
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   I'm describing IC chip registers. There is absolutely no point in
 having
   text or a heading in between each one, and this particular piece of IP
   has
   about 500 or so of them.
  
   As always, it depends on what you're doing and who your audience is.
  
   On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Lauriston 
 rob...@lauriston.com
   wrote:
  
   I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
   explanatory text in between.
  
   On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:
I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and
putting
each
table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all
 on
the
same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the
beginning
or
end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do a
lot
of
documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the
 other,
so
having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.
   
Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much
 difficult
to
select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about
putting a
space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
(again)
if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between
 can
make
the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes
 up
your
spacing all over again but for a different reason.
   
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
   
On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
   
What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own
 paragraphs
instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding
 paragraph?
   
I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up
 the
templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.
   
  
  
  
  
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Robert Lauriston]

If the heading is in the header or footer, you don't lose the title.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not a bad idea, but this is the corporate style. We're also not
 single-sourcing. (We were moving to that, but then the company got acquired
 and the techcomm department was decentralized. But that's a whole other
 story.)

 Even if it were my call, I'm not sure I'd go that way. If the table splits
 across a page, you lose the title. And these tables can go on for a couple
 of pages, depending on the content..

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 In a situation like that, I use headings instead of table names. In a
 single-source environment, headings are more flexible.

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  For the registers, we list all the table names as active links in a
  table
  upfront. But if I am simply scanning through the tables, I find it
  easier to
  use the cursor button than the mouse wheel. Your mileage may, of course,
  vary.  There are also places where a brief paragraph introduces a set of
  tables. The data wouldn't work well combined into single table, and I'm
  not
  about to say, The following table describes X when I've already said
  it up
  above. It annoys my engineers and the customer engineers.
 
  If I were in a different environment producing docs for a different
  audience, I would very likely be introducing each table with some text.
  In
  this environment, with this highly technical audience, it is neither
  necessary nor wanted.
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  How do users find the one they're looking for?
 
  On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   I'm describing IC chip registers. There is absolutely no point in
   having
   text or a heading in between each one, and this particular piece of
   IP
   has
   about 500 or so of them.
  
   As always, it depends on what you're doing and who your audience is.
  
   On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Lauriston
   rob...@lauriston.com
   wrote:
  
   I would never have one table follow another without a heading or
   explanatory text in between.
  
   On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
   wrote:
I like to use my cursor keys to scroll from table to table, and
putting
each
table anchor in its own paragraph lets me do that. If they're all
on
the
same line, pressing the up or down arrow once pops you to the
beginning
or
end of all of the tables that are anchored in the same line. I do
a
lot
of
documents with hundreds of tables that are one right after the
other,
so
having an anchor anywhere but on its own line becomes a nuisance.
   
Putting all the anchors in the same line also makes it much
difficult
to
select just one table, since unless you are VERY disciplined about
putting a
space between them, FM drops the anchors on top of each other. And
(again)
if you have a lot of them, even using just a small space between
can
make
the anchors wrap to another line (or three or four), which messes
up
your
spacing all over again but for a different reason.
   
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stuart Rogers
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
   
On 2014-Oct-02 3:23 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
   
What is the benefit of putting a table anchor in its own
paragraphs
instead of putting the anchor at the end of the preceding
paragraph?
   
I've inherited lots of documents that do things like that and it
seemed to me like pointless busywork, but the people who set up
the
templates were long gone so I couldn't ask for their rationale.
   
  
  
  
  
   --
   Lin Sims
 
 
 
 
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Re: Insets and Tables: container paragraphs with no additional spacing

[Mike Wickham]

Stuart,

I haven't had need to work with text insets, but I'm wondering if you 
can shorten your procedure by inserting the non-breaking space into the 
autonumber format for the InsetAnchor paragraph format, and setting its 
position to End of paragraph. It seems like that would automatically 
add it where you want. Have you tried it?


Mike Wickham

On 10/1/2014 4:38 PM, Stuart Rogers wrote:
For insets (harder to maintain, depending on inset content), create a 
pgf tag in the container document, e.g., InsetAnchor:

Font Size: 12 pt
Color: (something other than black)
Spacing Above Pgf: --12.0 pt

In the inset source document, create a variant tag based on the last 
paragraph of the inset (e.g., BodyInsetLast as a variant of Body):

Spacing Below Pgf: --12.0 pt (negative 12 points)
Apply that tag to the last paragraph of the inset.

In the container document, create a new empty paragraph where you want 
the inset to go.

Tag the paragraph InsetAnchor.
In that paragraph, type a non-breaking space (to overcome the bug that 
reformats the paragraph on updating the inset).

Place your cursor just before the non-breaking space and import the inset.


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Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Shmuel Wolfson]

  
  
You can open each Word file in Frame,
  then search for each table and apply "No Shading" and set all
  ruling to "From Table" to get rid of any custom ruling and all
  shading. 
  
  To automate finding tables and applying ruling and shading,
  install AutoIt and run the script below. (It has to be saved in a
  text file an .AU3 extension.) 
  
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133


; This script applies the currently defined custom ruling and shading 
; to one or more table cells. 
; Before running the script, find "Any Table" and apply the desired 
; ruling and shading once.
; Works for FM11. May need minor changes for other versions.

Opt("WinTitleMatchMode", 2) ; matches anywhere in the title
Opt("TrayIconDebug", 1)
Dim $max
Dim $x = 1

$max = InputBox("","How many tables?","10")
WinActivate(".fm")
WinWaitActive(".fm")

While $x = $max
	Sleep(500) ; wait a 1/2 second
	Send("!tf{DOWN 3}{ENTER}"); opens Custom Ruling and Shading - 
  ; !tfs didn't work
	Sleep(500) ; wait a 1/2 second
	Send("!a") ; apply ruling and shading
	Sleep(500) ; wait a 1/2 second
	Send("^+f") ; find the next table
	$x = $x + 1
WEnd


   On 18-Jun-14 10:05 PM, Winberg, Harold wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
We
have 11 books and maybe 160 tables.


  
From:
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 2:26 PM
    To: Lin Sims; Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
  



  Yes,
  TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're
  importing complete Word documents that contain tables into
  FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it.
  
  
  But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was
  the original query), I'll stick with the
  convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it
  is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one
  table that was built from pasted plain text than to fix
  all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled in as a table
  even if you have a tool that does most of the work.
  
  -Fred Ridder 
  

    
  
Date:
Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

  And
      don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner
  plugin, which can help make cleaning up Word tables
  ever so much easier.


  
  
On
Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:
Second
on that approach.

  
  On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
   Because the Word and FrameMaker table models
  are fundamentally so different,
   I find that it is best to only import the
  content and nothing relating to
   the "tableness". From Word, first use the
  convert table to text command,
   then copy the tab-separated table contents.
  Paste the text into Frame and
   then use convert the table to text command to
  create a table with the
   appropriate table format applied.

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[Winberg, Harold]

What is the best way to get a Word table into non-Structured Frame 12.

I have had great luck with special paste RTF but ain't sure.

Les
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RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Fred Ridder]

Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different, I 
find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to the 
tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command, then copy 
the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and then use 
convert the table to text command to create a table with the appropriate table 
format applied. 

If you bring a Word table into Frame as a table, it coes along with a bunch of 
properties that you then have to get rid of, like the custom ruling and 
shading flag being set for all cells in the table and the heading row not 
working properly. 

Also do yourself a favor and make sure that the Word table doesn't have any 
merged cells. If you are using my text-only method, you'll have an unequal 
number of cells in some rows. Or if you're bringing it in as a table, 
FrameMaker's equivalent functionality (straddle) works *completely* differently 
under the hood, and the import operation won't correctly figure out how to 
reconcile the two.

-Fred Ridder

From: hwinb...@hobartsystems.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:24:27 +









What is the best way to get a Word table into non-Structured Frame 12.
 
I have had great luck with special paste RTF but ain’t sure.
 
Les




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Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Robert Lauriston]

Second on that approach.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,
 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
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Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Lin Sims]

And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can
help make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier.


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 Second on that approach.

 On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so
 different,
  I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
  the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
  then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
  then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
  appropriate table format applied.
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RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Keith Soltys]

I will second that recommendation. Rick’s TableCleaner is an essential tool if 
you have to import tables from Word and it has other useful features which make 
it generally useful in any FrameMaker installation.

Regards
Keith

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:03 PM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help 
make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston 
rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
Second on that approach.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,
 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
 appropriate table format applied.

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RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Fred Ridder]

Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete 
Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it. 

But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), 
I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it 
is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built 
from pasted plain text than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled 
in as a table even if you have a tool that does most of the work.

-Fred Ridder 

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help 
make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier.


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:

Second on that approach.



On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,

 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to

 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,

 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and

 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the

 appropriate table format applied.

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RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Craig, Alison]

I love it!

Word-ness is such a wonderfully descriptive term (epithet?).

Alison


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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:26 AM
To: Lin Sims; Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete 
Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it.

But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), 
I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it 
is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built 
from pasted plain text than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled 
in as a table even if you have a tool that does most of the work.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help 
make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston 
rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
Second on that approach.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,
 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
 appropriate table format applied.
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Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[David Spreadbury]

Shouldn't that be Weird-ness?...:)



On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:42 PM, Craig, Alison 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:
 


I love it! 
 
“Word-ness” is such a wonderfully descriptive term (epithet?).
 
Alison
 
 
Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead 
Ultrasonix| 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.com
T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:26 AM
To: Lin Sims; Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
 
Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete 
Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it. 

But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), 
I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it 
is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built 
from pasted plain text
 than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled in as a table even if 
you have a tool that does most of the work.

-Fred Ridder 


 
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help 
make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier.
 
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
Second on that approach.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,
 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
 appropriate table format applied.
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RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Winberg, Harold]

We have 11 books and maybe 160 tables.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 2:26 PM
To: Lin Sims; Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete 
Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it.

But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), 
I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it 
is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built 
from pasted plain text than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled 
in as a table even if you have a tool that does most of the work.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help 
make cleaning up Word tables ever so much easier.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston 
rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
Second on that approach.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,
 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
 appropriate table format applied.
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RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Fred Ridder]

It's all in the pronunciation, David!

-Fred

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 11:52:44 -0700
From: dspre...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
To: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Shouldn't that be Weird-ness?...:)
 

 On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:42 PM, Craig, Alison 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:


 

I love it!
 
   
“Word-ness” is such a wonderfully descriptive term (epithet?). 
   
Alison 
   
   
Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
 
Ultrasonix
 | 130-4311 Viking Way
|
Richmond, BC 
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T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559
 
   


From:
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:26 AM
To: Lin Sims; Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables 


   


Yes, TableCleaner is absolutely indispensable when you're importing complete 
Word documents that contain tables into FrameMaker. I couldn't do without it.


But for bringing in a single table (which I believe was the original query), 
I'll stick with the convert-to-text-before-copying method. In my experience it 
is quicker to apply clean formatting to the cells of one table that was built 
from pasted plain text
 than to fix all the Word-ness of a table that was pulled in as a table even if 
you have a tool that does most of the work.

-Fred Ridder  






Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com 

And don't forget Rick Quattro's excellent TableCleaner plugin, which can help 
make cleaning up Word tables ever so much
 easier. 



   

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote: 
Second on that approach. 


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Because the Word and FrameMaker table models are fundamentally so different,
 I find that it is best to only import the content and nothing relating to
 the tableness.  From Word, first use the convert table to text command,
 then copy the tab-separated table contents. Paste the text into Frame and
 then use convert the table to text command to create a table with the
 appropriate table format applied. 


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Re: Word Tables to Frame 12Tables

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2014-Jun-18 2:40 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:



“Word-ness” is such a wonderfully descriptive term (epithet?).




Expletive.:-)


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Re: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

This cell padding idea worked ok to accomplish what I need. But I had to
set top at 3pt and bottom at 2pt, anything less caused the bars to rejoin
as one. I tried to compensate for the added vertical growth by adjusting
line spacing and font size, but couldn't exactly match the rows per page
that I had before.

BTW, for the other replies to this issue: I'm in unstructured frame, and my
initial workaround was to draw individual lines beside the rows. It was
tedious but worked ok for that delivery. Glad to figure out an easier
solution for the next go around.

Chris


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Mark the paragraph inside a cell in the row rather than the row itself and
 the change bars should remain separate. Or at least that's how my copy of
 FM9 behaves. For my purposes, I actually would prefer that it *didn't* work
 this way.

 Although now that I think about it, it may depend on how the table format
 is set up as far as cell padding is concerned. If all the vertical space
 around cell contents is provided by the paragraph's space before and space
 after rather than cell padding, FrameMaker may treat consecutive rows as a
 continuous block of paragraphs. My tables all use cell padding, and the
 change bars are only as tall as the paragraph(s) that are marked inside the
 changed cells.

 -Fred

 --
 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:45:33 -0500
 Subject: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars
 From: cacogg...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
 only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
 change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
 consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
 anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
 this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
 current table's change bars behave similarly.

 I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
 changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
 selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
 doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
 join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
 paragraph return.

 Chris

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Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
current table's change bars behave similarly.

I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
paragraph return.

Chris
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Fwd: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
current table's change bars behave similarly.

I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
paragraph return.

Chris
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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Unusable is a subjective term. To a programer it may be useful. But to 
non-programmers who dabble in programing (like me and many others), an 
easy programming language like AutoIt is lots of fun and very useful, 
but a complicated, object-oriented program language that is not well 
documented is pretty close to unusable.


Regards,
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Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 27-Nov-13 4:26 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Unusable is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several hundred
scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I agree that it is
poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017 **NEW**
r...@frameexpert.com



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

ExtendScript is so powerful that I found it unusable for FrameMaker.
If it were properly documented and Adobe provided useful sample code for
automating common tasks it might be great. I think they provide those for
some of their other apps.


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RE: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

Now and then I use AutoHotkey. Also very easy to use.
However, in FrameMaker I prefer FrameScript. More control
what will be done. (I am not a programmer.)
Some time I will explore ExtendScript. I'll see.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:49 AM
 To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

 Unusable is a subjective term. To a programer it may be useful. But to
 non-programmers who dabble in programing (like me and many others), an
 easy programming language like AutoIt is lots of fun and very useful,
 but a complicated, object-oriented program language that is not well
 documented is pretty close to unusable.

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

 On 27-Nov-13 4:26 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
  Unusable is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several hundred
  scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I agree that it is
  poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.
 
  Rick Quatro
  Carmen Publishing Inc.
  585-366-4017 **NEW**
  r...@frameexpert.com
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert
 Lauriston
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28 PM
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs
 
  ExtendScript is so powerful that I found it unusable for FrameMaker.
  If it were properly documented and Adobe provided useful sample code
 for
  automating common tasks it might be great. I think they provide those for
  some of their other apps.



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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Yves Barbion]

I think it would be nice to have Illustrator- and Photoshop-like Actions
in FrameMaker: just record what you're doing, save the actions and then run
them on a bunch of files. Is this a feature request for FrameMaker 12, 13,
14...?




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RE: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Rick Quatro]

Thanks for the unusable by me clarification. My concern was that your
original statement implied that it doesn't work, and I wanted to make it
clear that it does work. But I agree that it does have poor documentation
and a lack of good samples. BTW, I do offer FrameMaker ExtendScript training
for anyone interested. Thanks.

Rick

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From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

ExtendScript was unusable by me, since what I wanted to do was undocumented,
there was no sample code that was relevant, and Adobe tech support said it
was not supported.

I did manage to automate some things anyway, but the scripts stopped working
after a few months for no apparent reason. Again, no tech support.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-ahs=fXrrls=org.mozilla%3Aen-
US%3Aofficialq=rlauriston+extendscript++site%3Aforums.adobe.comoq=rlaurist
on+extendscript++site%3Aforums.adobe.com


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
 Unusable is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several 
 hundred scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I 
 agree that it is poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
 585-366-4017 **NEW**
 r...@frameexpert.com



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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
 Lauriston
 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

 ExtendScript is so powerful that I found it unusable for FrameMaker.
 If it were properly documented and Adobe provided useful sample code 
 for automating common tasks it might be great. I think they provide 
 those for some of their other apps.


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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Robert Lauriston]

ExtendScript was unusable by me, since what I wanted to do was
undocumented, there was no sample code that was relevant, and Adobe
tech support said it was not supported.

I did manage to automate some things anyway, but the scripts stopped
working after a few months for no apparent reason. Again, no tech
support.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-ahs=fXrrls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialq=rlauriston+extendscript++site%3Aforums.adobe.comoq=rlauriston+extendscript++site%3Aforums.adobe.com


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
 Unusable is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several hundred
 scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I agree that it is
 poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
 585-366-4017 **NEW**
 r...@frameexpert.com



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 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Shmuel Wolfson]

"Unusable" is a subjective term. To a programer it may be useful. But to 
non-programmers who dabble in programing (like me and many others), an 
easy programming language like AutoIt is lots of fun and very useful, 
but a complicated, object-oriented program language that is not well 
documented is pretty close to unusable.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 27-Nov-13 4:26 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> "Unusable" is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several hundred
> scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I agree that it is
> poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-366-4017 **NEW**
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs
>
> ExtendScript is so powerful that I found it unusable for FrameMaker.
> If it were properly documented and Adobe provided useful sample code for
> automating common tasks it might be great. I think they provide those for
> some of their other apps.
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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

Now and then I use AutoHotkey. Also very easy to use.
However, in FrameMaker I prefer FrameScript. More control
what will be done. (I am not a programmer.)
Some time I will explore ExtendScript. I'll see.

Best regards

Winfried

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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:49 AM
> To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs
>
> "Unusable" is a subjective term. To a programer it may be useful. But to
> non-programmers who dabble in programing (like me and many others), an
> easy programming language like AutoIt is lots of fun and very useful,
> but a complicated, object-oriented program language that is not well
> documented is pretty close to unusable.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 27-Nov-13 4:26 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> > "Unusable" is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several hundred
> > scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I agree that it is
> > poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > 585-366-4017 **NEW**
> > rick at frameexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> Lauriston
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28 PM
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> > Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs
> >
> > ExtendScript is so powerful that I found it unusable for FrameMaker.
> > If it were properly documented and Adobe provided useful sample code
> for
> > automating common tasks it might be great. I think they provide those for
> > some of their other apps.



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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Yves Barbion]

I think it would be nice to have Illustrator- and Photoshop-like "Actions"
in FrameMaker: just record what you're doing, save the actions and then run
them on a bunch of files. Is this a feature request for FrameMaker 12, 13,
14...?




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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Rick Quatro]

Thanks for the "unusable by me" clarification. My concern was that your
original statement implied that it doesn't work, and I wanted to make it
clear that it does work. But I agree that it does have poor documentation
and a lack of good samples. BTW, I do offer FrameMaker ExtendScript training
for anyone interested. Thanks.

Rick

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From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

ExtendScript was unusable by me, since what I wanted to do was undocumented,
there was no sample code that was relevant, and Adobe tech support said it
was not supported.

I did manage to automate some things anyway, but the scripts stopped working
after a few months for no apparent reason. Again, no tech support.

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a=fXr=org.mozilla%3Aen-
US%3Aofficial=rlauriston+extendscript++site%3Aforums.adobe.com=rlaurist
on+extendscript++site%3Aforums.adobe.com>


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> "Unusable" is a bit of an exaggeration. I have developed several 
> hundred scripts, which are being successfully used by my clients. I 
> agree that it is poorly documented, but it is certainly usable.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-366-4017 **NEW**
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
>
>
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> Lauriston
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> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs
>
> ExtendScript is so powerful that I found it unusable for FrameMaker.
> If it were properly documented and Adobe provided useful sample code 
> for automating common tasks it might be great. I think they provide 
> those for some of their other apps.
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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

I'm looking for a script which does the following:

1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example graphic_table.
2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).

Anyone?

Thanks in advance

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www.scripto.nu
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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Shmuel Wolfson]

  
  
Attached is an AutoIt script for this.
  AutoIt is a free scripting language for Windows. It's very easy to
  write AutoIt scripts for easy things like typing shortcut keys.
  You have to download and install AutoIt in order to run this. 
  
  Below is the script as well, but it has to be in a text file with
  a .AU3 extension in order to run it. You can see how simple it is.
  And I added a lot of comments to make it easier to understand. If
  you need more info, let me know.
  
  Maybe one day I will get into ExtendScript, but AutoIt is so much
  easier and more pleasant to use that it's worth considering. 
  
  Regards,
  
  Shmuel Wolfson
  
  Technical Writer
  052-763-7133
  
  ; this script converts tables to text
  ; find the desired table once, before running the script
  
  Opt("WinTitleMatchMode", 2) ; this sets the title match to be
  anywhere in the window title 
  
  Dim $max
  Dim $x = 1
  
  $max = InputBox("","How many tables?","10")
  WinActivate(".fm") ; this activates the window that has .fm in the
  title bar (which may be hidden) 
  WinWaitActive(".fm")
  While $x = $max
   Send("^+f") ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next 
   Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase
  this time if you have a slow computer
   Send("!tvc") ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
  
   Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase
  this time if you have a slow computer
   $x = $x + 1
  WEnd
  
  -- 
  
  On 26-Nov-13 12:35 PM, Yves Barbion wrote:


  

  

  
Hi group
  

I'm looking for a script which does the following:
  
  
  1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example
  "graphic_table".

2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).

  
  Anyone?
  

Thanks in advance


  

  

  
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  www.scripto.nu

  

  

  

  
  
  
  
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; this script converts tables to text
; find the desired table once, before running the script

Opt(WinTitleMatchMode, 2) ; this sets the title match to be anywhere in the 
window title

Dim $max
Dim $x = 1

$max = InputBox(,How many tables?,10)
WinActivate(.fm) ; this activates the window that has .fm in the title bar 
(which may be hidden)
WinWaitActive(.fm)
While $x = $max
Send(^+f) ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase this time if 
you have a slow computer
Send(!tvc) ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase this time if 
you have a slow computer
$x = $x + 1
WEnd
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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Jim Owens]

AutoIT is a powerful scripting language, and it comes with good 
documentation. It's intended to act as a surrogate for a human, by 
detecting screen or window activity and sending mouse or keyboard 
responses, but it's also very good for general-purpose programming.


It includes the ability to compile your AU3 program to EXE, so that you 
don't have to start up the scripting environment to run the script.


On 2013-11-26 08:10, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
Attached is an AutoIt script for this. AutoIt is a free scripting 
language for Windows. It's very easy to write AutoIt scripts for easy 
things like typing shortcut keys. You have to download and install 
AutoIt in order to run this.


Below is the script as well, but it has to be in a text file with a 
.AU3 extension in order to run it. You can see how simple it is. And I 
added a lot of comments to make it easier to understand. If you need 
more info, let me know.


Maybe one day I will get into ExtendScript, but AutoIt is so much 
easier and more pleasant to use that it's worth considering.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

; this script converts tables to text
; find the desired table once, before running the script

Opt(WinTitleMatchMode, 2) ; this sets the title match to be anywhere 
in the window title


Dim $max
Dim $x = 1

$max = InputBox(,How many tables?,10)
WinActivate(.fm) ; this activates the window that has .fm in the 
title bar (which may be hidden)

WinWaitActive(.fm)
While $x = $max
Send(^+f) ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase 
this time if you have a slow computer

Send(!tvc) ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase 
this time if you have a slow computer

$x = $x + 1
WEnd

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On 26-Nov-13 12:35 PM, Yves Barbion wrote:

Hi group

I'm looking for a script which does the following:

1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example graphic_table.
2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).

Anyone?

Thanks in advance

--
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu


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