Re: bsd vs gpl
prad wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:20:18 -0700 prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: do people here have any thoughts on the two different licenses? thank you everyone for your comments on this topic. the links some of you provided were very interesting and helpful. i had no idea there were so many licenses either!!! it is a curious situation that the 'freedom' which insists on propagating itself (gpl), can be argued to be not really free, while 'freedom' without such a restriction can permit its own termination. i like this summation the best: The bottom line is, the GPL is not anti-commercial or anti- capitalistic; it is only anti-proprietary. The BSD license, on the other hand, is very unrestrictive, and allows proprietary knockoffs. Which you choose depends on what you need and what you value. There's nothing more to it than that. (http://slashdot.org/articles/99/06/23/1313224.shtml) now off to establish what we value ... Just curious, why is what a 5 year-old article having to say with regards to licensing at all relevant? These licenses aren't worth the paper they are printed on until tested in court. The Monsoon Multimedia/BusyBox lawsuit, which was started years after this article was written, is far more relevant. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: DVD cloning tool
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]on Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:48 AM To: Andrew Gould Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: DVD cloning tool I'm searching for the same functionality applyable to DVD, so I can easily clone video DVDs I made, as well as data DVDs or DVDs with audio tracks (yes, this works, too). Hi Polytropon, Thought I would put in my $0.02 here. Your not going to find a tool like this under FreeBSD or any freeOS that I know of. The issue is one of assumptions. The so-called cheap DVDs that you speak of which have bad sectors, in actuality do NOT have bad sectors - at least, not randomly bad sectors, that is. More and more commercial DVD's are coming these days with copy protection on them. When the video DVD is read as an ISO, the reader gets to a certain block in the DVD then commences to return errors. I am not sure how the video playing software gets around it but I suspect it sends a command to the reader. The only program I know of that reads these is a Windows program called DVD Fab. It's trialware, you can download it and run it for a month. It also gets around the known copy protection schemes used in BlueRay which are considerably more sophisticated. If you can make an ISO of a video DVD with this program but it fails using dd, then your dealing with copy protection. For example rental DVD's of Pirates of the Carribean 3 and Clone Wars both have this. I don't know if the versions you buy have this as well, I suspect they don't since my guess is someone is getting royalties on this scheme somewhere. I would love to see someone write some code to get around this for use with dd program. Of course, I know your NOT trying to illegally copy commercial DVDs so it's not necessary for you to reply with protests. Heh. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: mail server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karlos Linale Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:20 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mail server Hello, I was wondering if you could help me. For some reason I keep getting hundreds of emails on my mail server spool which are being sent to your email address. Are you able to tell me how and why this is happening? Google Backscatter Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Server Freezing Solid
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Maness Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:43 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Server Freezing Solid I am having a new problem. I have been running FreeBSD for years with no crashing. All of a sudden my server starts crashing with no panic messages. I am suspecting hardware because there are no messages, but the CPU temp is fine. Take the machine down, take it outside, take the cover off. Liberally blow all dust out with canned air. Unseat and reseat ALL connectors, including power, including CPU out of it's socket, including ram. Turn it back on and make sure the power supply fan is operating at full speed. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Server Freezing Solid
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Chadwick Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:07 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Chris Maness; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server Freezing Solid On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 02:06:12AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Maness Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:43 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Server Freezing Solid I am having a new problem. I have been running FreeBSD for years with no crashing. All of a sudden my server starts crashing with no panic messages. I am suspecting hardware because there are no messages, but the CPU temp is fine. Take the machine down, take it outside, take the cover off. Liberally blow all dust out with canned air. Unseat and reseat ALL connectors, including power, including CPU out of it's socket, including ram. Turn it back on and make sure the power supply fan is operating at full speed. This is excellent advice. I do this exact procedure once a year, usually before summer, to all desktop systems I have. I atually bought a small portable compressor (designed for running a nailgun, basically) for this purpose. $80 at Harbor Freight for a new one, you can get them cheaper used. The canned air is really expensive, you end up using a half a can on a PC. If you do the compressor, make sure you put a regulator on your blow gun: 80-120 psi of air coming out of a blowgun is capabable of blowing components off the circuit boards along with the dust. The compressor is also very useful for blowing out the air conditioner coils every year, as well as the refrigerator coils on the refrigerator. Doing just this will pay for the compressor in a few years in energy savings. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Server Freezing Solid
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Powell Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:26 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server Freezing Solid Chris Maness wrote: [snip] For this reason, I'd advise that either you leave the PC unplugged for 10 minutes or so after you've cleaned it to let any residual moisture dry, or purchase an inline water filter. Should always put a drier on a compressor. You'll learn the hard way if you invest in pneumatic tools; you will kill them if you don't. Really high quality pneumatic tools (industrial grade) can be completely disassembled, cleaned, and repaired. The consumer grade stuff usually can't. In large shops, the usual procedure is to distribute the air with really long runs of pipe and put water traps at the end - that's probably what your thinking of with a drier. The traps fill up and every once in a while you open their petcocks and they pee old sock-smelling water out on your shoes. With a small pancake compressor it is generally satisfactory to run it without a drier, and at the end of the day, pour a couple teaspoons of air tool oil into the tool air intake then reconnnect the airline and give it a puff to distribute the oil. [snip] I ran into a couple of post stating that the Abit VP6 had issues with components that fail. This seems to have happened. The old 1U box I switched the hardrive to yesterday is working flawlessly. However, this machine is a little on the underpowered side. Without actually checking, if memory serves there were a number of products from that time frame that used inferior electrolytic filter caps. You can The story I read was that the Chinese companies decided to get into making electrolytic caps a number of years ago. They sent spies into the Japanese companies to steal the electrolyte formula. Unknown to them the Japanese had anticipated this and so each batch of electrolyte was secretly treated with a stabilizer chemical that only the top chemists in the company knew about. The production chemists were unaware of it. When the Chinese firms stole the electrolytic formula, they produced caps that lacked this stabilizer. The result was the electrolyte broke down and the cap split. I don't know if it's a true story or not, but it sounded good! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question on creating a video server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Almberg Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 3:38 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question on creating a video server On Nov 8, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Hi All, OK, I'm just asking for opinions here on some application software. Like most people we have a nice big 21 TV set that will be obsolete in Feb. I have been thinking about replacing this with a big screen TV set but the prices on them are still way, way way out of my budget (I just can't see spending $500 for a TV set, sorry) Why not just get a digital converter and keep using your nice TV? I had considered that. Currently my 21 TV has an RF input only, no composite, no S-video. I'm feeding it from a VCR that does have composite input/RA jacks, but no S-video. I have a DVD player feeding the VCR with composite output/RCA. I have a Toshiba laptop that has a composite output DVD player. I have used this to watch DVD's and also AVI files. The quality is noticably worse than watching them on the laptop LCD screen. Of course, sitting 8-9 feet away from the TV set that is hard to notice. I had originally thought in building the video server to just feed the VCR with composite output from a video card - in fact, I have a vga card in the video PC that has composite output. Then, buying one of the really cheap HDTV converters and feeding the composite output of that to the VCR - or maybe picking up a composite-input video switchbox. But then I started thinking about how ugly such a solution would be. Worse, the DVD player itself is getting old - it's an Apex - and I've had 2 other Apexes and both have failed due to old age, now. Also the VCR is getting old too. That is why I was thinking maybe just go with a cheap VGA monitor instead of a TV set, use a HDTV usb tuner, and get rid of the DVD player and the VCR. Really, the idea is that this isn't a permanent solution. Ultimately I am planning on going to a LCD tv set. This is just to tide me over for maybe a year. About the only thing that we actually watch on broadcast anymore is the Late Show with Jay Leno. And even that is very trying. The simple fact is that if there was a TV show that I'd like to watch, I'm no longer willing to sacrifice my time to commercials. For example, take Sara Conner Chronicles. We loved all the Terminator movies and I'd love to watch that TV show. But, we are going to wait until the entire TV show is finished, (most shows don't last more than 8-9 seasons) then we are going to wait until they release the entire run of shows in one large boxed DVD set. Then I'll watch it. Consider for example Babylon 5. We bought all 5 seasons of that in one fell swoop - $250 for the set I think it was. There's 110 episodes there. Each one when aired was an hour - with 20 minutes of commercials. That's 36 -hours- of commercials for the entire season and we aren't talking the movies. Well, I don't know about anyone else, but my time is worth a lot more than $6.94 an hour. ($250 / 36 hours) Now it is true we watched Bab-5 when it aired. But, that was a decade ago, we didn't have the option of paying to opt-out of commercials. And we also missed a few episodes anyway. Watching them nowadays, without the commercial interruptions, it's the way TV should be. Far more enjoyable way to spend some time. We are doing this with Star Trek Enterprise. Both my wife and I are ST fans and we tried watching Enterprise the first season. But we just couldn't do it. Having to deal with setting the timer on the VCR (since the air times were never convenient) was a pain to have to remember - as you know shows will go to repeats without warning in the middle of a season. And then watching the show and having to fast-forward through the commercials was an even greater pain - you just start getting into the story and it breaks for commercial. Well, neither my wife and I suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder where we need that commercial break to reboot our brains. It really ruined the stories. So we gave up and just waited. Eventually, as all things in life do, Enterprise ended. This Christmas we will get the boxed set and start watching it from the beginning. Also, more and more of the shows these days are on the web. If there's a show we want to watch, why would we want to watch it on network TV and suffer through all the commercials when we can just stream it off the same network's website -without- commercials? Take Saturday Night Live, well that's not a show I'd really want to bother archiving - it's really not classic TV - but it is sometimes fun to kill an hour watching it. The web is great for that. And once more, the 1 or 2 national commercials you might have to deal with watching the show over the Internet are far better than the local network affiliate which inserts a lot
Question on creating a video server
Hi All, OK, I'm just asking for opinions here on some application software. Like most people we have a nice big 21 TV set that will be obsolete in Feb. I have been thinking about replacing this with a big screen TV set but the prices on them are still way, way way out of my budget (I just can't see spending $500 for a TV set, sorry) I can pick up really high quality, large, old-style video monitors from a computer surplus place near here for next to nothing. I'd like to setup a PC and put a HDTV tuner card in it for over-the-air HDTV broadcasts, and use that as a TV. We also have a ton of DVD's and I'd like to rip these to video files and put them on the PC. Then when anyone wants to watch a movie they just watch it off the PC. I've already started doing this under Windows and it works great - it's even better since I can remove all those movie previews that the studio wants to force you to watch. Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get and what software works with it? PREFERABLY cheap - since ultimately we likely will get a big screen TV set once the prices fall. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject))
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:08 PM To: SAM HAYNES Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject)) On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, SAM HAYNES wrote: I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the current economic crisis. Good. You have been building PCs -and- doing wiring a lot longer than I have been doing either. Nobody needs to tell you what an IRQ is, or why a loose neutral might be a problem. My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products over a hundred or more websites. I have no business sense, and can't comment on the model. I do and can. We have customers doing this. However it is going to take you many years to get this up and going and there's a huge amount of competition. You have a LOT to learn. And it will never pay much. Your most profitable bet is to visit your local IBEW office and get your license current, then start going around to all of the local builders and giving them your card. There's a big need for people who can do small electrical jobs under permit. If this is out, and your dead-set on doing something on the Internet, then go to some classes, learn how to write a decent website, and spend a few years doing websites for people. There's not a lot of money in that either, but there's more than trying to do what you think you want to do. And, you will never be able to do what you think you want to do until you are intimately familiar with HTML. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: vlc not decoding certain DVDs
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of matt donovan Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:39 PM To: Joachim Rosenfeld Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vlc not decoding certain DVDs On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Joachim Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Why is vlc (the CSS library specifically) unable to decode certain CDs? Certain foreign film CDs work fine, but others, mostly US-based Hollywood films don't. I was under the impression that vlc was able to decode everything? I can hear audio on these DVDs, but the video is weird blocks of color. The weird thing is that if I run vlc under WINE, everything works fine. The movie plays, but fullscreen doesn't work and the interface is really horrible on vlc/wine. Any solutions on how to fix this? I am running 7.0-RELEASE on an x86 box. All ports are up to date as of 3 days ago. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] umm VLC hasn't been able to decode everything for quite a long time install libdvdcss I have found personally that the movie studios have been going all out recently in various copy protection standards that break the DVD standard but are still playable on most of the hardware DVD players out there. As a result I've had to resort in some cases to running varous Windows versions of DVD rippers to get the movies into video files and off the DVD. Your going to have to experiment since this is also dependent on the DVD drive itself. Once you get the DVD ripped to a video file it's generally no problem to play it. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Extract Songs from DVD
I think ffmpeg will also convert these, and it supports more conversions than sox does. Actually, both sox and ffmpeg rely heavily on external libraries to perform their conversion functions, they are more front end programs than anything else. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:20 AM To: Polytropon Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Extract Songs from DVD On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Polytropon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:34:41 +0300, Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought an original DVD but I cannot play that in my car's audio player. Is there a tool that I can use to get the songs off the DVD in WAV format, or even MP3? If the DVD does contain standard audio CD format data, there should be no problem. First, check the contents: % cdcontrol info (I'll assume that /dev/acd0 is the drive the DVD is inserted into.) Then you can access every track via /dev/acd0txx, where xx is from 01 up to the number of tracks. Tracks can be copied from the DVD with the dd command: % dd if=/dev/acd0t01 of=track01.cdr bs=2352 These usually are Audio CD data files: 44 kHz stereo, 16 bit. They can be put on a media as audio tracks without any change, for example if you use cdrecord with the -dao -audio flags (if I remember correctly), using a CD or DVD media. You can convert them to OGG/Vorbis or MP3 using the encoder you wish, for example: % oggenc -r -q 6 -o track01.ogg track01.cdr or % sox -x track01.cdr track01.wav % lame track01.wav track01.mp3 (ugly variant, but works; I'm sure you'll find a better way, just have a look at the manpages). If you want, you can add ID3 track information, or simply use a good file name. :-) -- Polytropon Hello Polytropon, That sounds like the solution I was looking for! I will give the steps a shot. Thank you do much. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Extract Songs from DVD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:45 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Polytropon; User Questions Subject: Re: Extract Songs from DVD On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think ffmpeg will also convert these, and it supports more conversions than sox does. Actually, both sox and ffmpeg rely heavily on external libraries to perform their conversion functions, they are more front end programs than anything else. Are there similar (but Free) programs for Windows? Windows Media Player ver 11 will rip audio tracks to .mp3, .wav and of course, .wma This is a free download from Microsoft for XP and Vista Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The disc in your drive looks more like an Audio CD than aFreeBSDrelease
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kiffin Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:24 AM To: Jeremy Chadwick Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The disc in your drive looks more like an Audio CD than aFreeBSDrelease Thanks for the prompt response. However, I have a brand-new ASUS X59XL notebook so the CD drive isn't old. Could it be that the CD drive is too new and not recognized properly bt FreeBSD rather than too old? Kiffin, I assume that your booting off the CDC on the laptop? If so I doubt that the CD is burned incorrectly. If you want to check if the burn is correct on the CD then go to another machine and boot and install FBSD on it with your CD. In any case, we really cannot support CD burning software that isn't running on FreeBSD here and it is IMHO a distraction to even discuss it. I suspect a bug in the FreeBSD atapi driver, or a bug in the notebook CD drive firmware. What you need to do is boot from your CD, then select a FTP server as the install server during the installation and install FreeBSD. Then try to mount a standard data CD under FreeBSD in the laptop and see if it understands it. If that works then install the cd burning tools from the FreeBSD ports and try to burn a CD. If that works then we can assume that the Windows/DOS whatever burning tools you used are crap - which doesen't matter since your just using that crap to bootstrap into FreeBSD anyway. Right? Ted PS I strongly suspect once you get FreeBSD loaded you will not be able to mount off-the-shelf data CD's in your laptop's CD drive. If this is so we really need for you to file a PR on this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Installation Hangs
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ton80 Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:54 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Installation Hangs Hello, I am trying to install FreeBSD. During the install (actually at the beginning of the process) the system hangs indefinitely. When it gets to the select country screen...it is frozen. During the boot process, as it is reading all the hardware, it finds the USB controller OK then later it states there was an IO error and that the USB controller is halted. I have a USB Keyboard and mouse...so I would say the problem is here. Is there any workaround I can use to get things going? Yes, you can remove the hard disk, put it in a different machine, install FreeBSD on it, then move the disk back. You could always try installing with JUST the USB keyboard or with a -different- USB keyboard. I would suspect that if you stick in a Linux Ubuntu install CD and it also fails to detect keyboard and mouse, that you will get more traction with your machine hardware manufacturer when reporting a problem. Hopefully your system is a new one within the 30 day return window and you can return it and get a different one. One last thing - it might be possible that your machine motherboard has a port for a standard keyboard, with a header on the motherboard, and it just isn't brought out the back of the machine. Please also post the make and model of the motherboard in use so we know what to avoid here. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dmesg: Invalid time in clock: check and reset the date
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Seaman Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:49 AM To: Richard Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dmesg: Invalid time in clock: check and reset the date Richard Smith wrote: Hi, I've just installed FreeBSD 7.0 Release along with Windows XP on my PC. I found that when I set the clock to the correct timedate, next time I boot into FreeBSD it changes and reports the wrong timedate. Both BIOS and Windows reports the time correctly. dmesg shows the following message: Invalid time in clock: check and reset the date! Can't figure out what's wrong... any help will be appreciated. Is the time out by an exact number of hours?[*] Does the offset correspond to your localities' timezone offset from UTC? If so, then what is happening is this: Windows will only deal with one timezone at a time, and it expects the system clock (and consequently the CMOS clock on the motherboard) to be set to the local wall-clock time. Unix in comparison allows each process to be run in an arbitrary timezone, simply by setting the TZ environment variable. It expects the system clock and the CMOS clock to be set to UTC, and it calculates the local offset as required. When you reboot the machine, the internal system clock is set from the cmos clock, so one or the other OS will end up thinking local wall-clock time is UTC or vice-versa. Unless you have the happy fortune to be living in this Sceptered Isle (but only during the wintertime), or in certain parts of West Africa that's going to cause problems. If you need to dual-boot, FreeBSD provides a mechanism for allowing the CMOS clock to be set to wallclock time. You can toggle the setting using /usr/sbin/tzsetup -- if there is a zero length file /etc/wall_cmos_clock then your system is running in compatability mode. Note: this file should not appear on a box that is dedicated to running FreeBSD[+] -- the tzsetup default is the /wrong/ choice in this case. No, it's not. There is nothing wrong with running the CMOS clock on wall-clock time even on a dedicated system. You can do it any way you please. Any real server should be synced by NTP in any case since the internal RTC clock chip in a PC is not reliable or accurate. Note that if you do run the CMOS clock on UTC that if your BIOS/CMOS has a fancy auto-adjusting daylight savings time thingie in it, you should disable that. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: uptime 2 years!
Odhiambo, you hit the nail on the head. Glad to see you caught on. Chad, please google up the definition of passive-agressive behavior and look at yourself in a mirror. If you don't get it, reread the definition and look in the mirror again. And in the future, please don't engage in it. You don't want to become known for this. As for the rest of you, this is a classic Bikeshed discussion. I'm amazed that so many people fell for it. I guess the collapse of the US financial system has put a crimp on your spending on new computers and your all bored of your old hardware. Chad's post was worth a read. It wasn't worth a response, espically escalated to the rediculousness that some have been. Did anyone bother to think that any admin with 2 years uptime on a system probably has some decent coin into the environment (think, UPS power here) and more like as not knows what they are doing? Chances that your going to get 2 years of uptime on a system plugged into a consumer-grade UPS in a private residence are lower than the chances that Jamie Lynn Spears is going to be offered the job of spokesperson for the National Abstinence Education Association. It has nothing to do with how the server is configured and everything to do with the environment the server is in. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:56 AM To: User Questions Cc: Chad Marshall; Jon Radel Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netprint perl script from Handbook doesn't work
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Subject: Re: Netprint perl script from Handbook doesn't work
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 17:12:36 Dan Nelson wrote:
In the last episode (Sep 24), Andy Kosela said:
The netprint perl script provided in the Handbook (9.4.3.2) is not
working.. or am I missing something:
plotinus:~ cat new.txt | lp.sh
Can't contact 10.10.21.12: Address family not supported by protocol
family at /usr/local/libexec/netprint line 21.
Can you telnet to that ip address (telnet 10.10.21.12 9100, or
whatever port you're using)?
plotinus: cat /usr/local/libexec/netprint
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
# netprint - Text filter for printer attached to network
# Installed in /usr/local/libexec/netprint
#
$#ARGV eq 1 || die Usage: $0 printer-hostname port-number;
$printer_host = $ARGV[0];
$printer_port = $ARGV[1];
require 'sys/socket.ph';
($ignore, $ignore, $protocol) = getprotobyname('tcp');
($ignore, $ignore, $ignore, $ignore, $address)
= gethostbyname($printer_host);
$sockaddr = pack('S n a4 x8', AF_INET, $printer_port, $address);
socket(PRINTER, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, $protocol)
|| die Can't create TCP/IP stream socket: $!;
connect(PRINTER, $sockaddr) || die Can't contact $printer_host: $!;
while (STDIN) { print PRINTER; }
exit 0;
Wow. That's a really complicated way to say
#! /bin/sh
nc $1 $2
It's also ugly (and very old-fashioned) Perl. Starting at (and
replacing) the
require 'sys/socket.ph' line (which is Perl 4, I think), it
should look more
like this (with appropriate error-checking added):
use Socket;
my $proto = getprotobyname('tcp');
socket(my $socket, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, $proto);
my $sock_in = sockaddr_in($printer_port, inet_aton($printer_host));
connect($socket, $sock_in);
Although this rewrite removes the need, if you want in general to
ignore some
of the return values of a function returning a list, the usual way is to
assign to undef:
(undef, undef, undef, undef, $address) = gethostbyname($printer_host);
Although when you're throwing away that many, it makes more sense
to index the
returned list in the same way you would index an array:
$address = (gethostbyname($printer_host))[4] # returns 5th element
I really should submit a doc patch for this (incorporating Dan's sterling
suggestion of nc $1 $2).
Jonathan,
Submit a patch but rewrite the script as well as include use of
the nc utility.
It is important that when possible the handbook contain solutions
that are portable to other UNIX variants. Everything in the handbook
is indexed in search engines and we want people looking for solutions
to be able to use the Handbook, this can help them get interested
in FreeBSD.
Ted
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RE: using /dev/random
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Huff
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: using /dev/random
What is the canonical way to get data from /dev/random?
Specifically: having opened the file, how do I read the stream?
I'm currently using
union {
float f;
char c[4];
} foo;
foo.f = 0.0;
fscanf(rand_fp,%4c,foo.c);
which doesn't seem to produce anywhere near random bytes as
promised by the man page.
Robert Huff
The canonical way is to use the functions random(), or srandom()
or srandomdev() or arc4random() depending on what
you need the random data for. /dev/random is really only
useful for seeding these functions (some of them pull data
from /dev/random internally)
The thrust behind the FreeBSD /dev/random device is that
we know that getting lots of real random data from /dev/random is
difficult, however getting non-repeating seeds from
/dev/random is easy. The device has thus been optimized
for seed generation to feed these other functions.
If you really want to roll-your-own and not use these functions
then you could read blocks from /dev/random and run
a Chi-square and Monte Carlo test on each
block and discard the ones that don't pass.
I've done my experimenting with the ENT program:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/random/
ie:
dd if=/dev/urandom bs=3000 count=100 of=random-sample
ent random-sample
Successive runs of that with different data sets and blocksizes
clearly illustrates the generator can't pass Chi-square quite
a lot of times.
Ted
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RE: Google Chrome
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RW Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:22 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For most people that's already happened, except that it's Adobe-Flash WWW. Google's approach of open-source software, and open-extensions, leading to new standards, sounds a lot better to me. except it leads to google-everything. not even a bit better than microsoft-everything There's a lot of difference. Microsoft has always tried to undermine standards because standards give its competitors a more level-playing field, which is what Google needs for its webapps to compete with Microsoft's desktop applications. I don't see how that's bad for anyone except Microsoft. The real reason that Chrome is important is because due to Microsoft enticement and pressure, a growing number of people are implementing websites that require active X controls which won't run on anything other than Windows. We are seeing a lot of this in embedded stuff but it's starting to contaminate public websites and most importantly, general software. Just by virtue of it coming from Google, a lot of end users and consumers out there will download, install and run Chrome. As a result web designers will have less incentive to jump to active X. That is very important. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Google Chrome
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:21 PM To: RW Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:21 PM, RW wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For most people that's already happened, except that it's Adobe-Flash WWW. Google's approach of open-source software, and open-extensions, leading to new standards, sounds a lot better to me. except it leads to google-everything. not even a bit better than microsoft-everything There's a lot of difference. Microsoft has always tried to undermine standards because standards give its competitors a more level-playing field, which is what Google needs for its webapps to compete with Microsoft's desktop applications. I don't see how that's bad for anyone except Microsoft. So you mean that google is learning from the Microsoft mistakes. Or maybe google need to get along with the standards for now, but as soon as they have secured the market they will define the standards as they need it to be for their benefit. Since they are defining standards that are implemented in open source code under BSD license I don't see the problem. You can complain the day that Adobe releases the source for Acrobat Reader, and Flash, under BSD license, and Google closes the source for Chrome, OK? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Google Chrome
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:42 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Google Chrome On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:21 PM To: RW Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:21 PM, RW wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For most people that's already happened, except that it's Adobe-Flash WWW. Google's approach of open-source software, and open-extensions, leading to new standards, sounds a lot better to me. except it leads to google-everything. not even a bit better than microsoft-everything There's a lot of difference. Microsoft has always tried to undermine standards because standards give its competitors a more level- playing field, which is what Google needs for its webapps to compete with Microsoft's desktop applications. I don't see how that's bad for anyone except Microsoft. So you mean that google is learning from the Microsoft mistakes. Or maybe google need to get along with the standards for now, but as soon as they have secured the market they will define the standards as they need it to be for their benefit. Since they are defining standards that are implemented in open source code under BSD license I don't see the problem. You can complain the day that Adobe releases the source for Acrobat Reader, and Flash, under BSD license, and Google closes the source for Chrome, OK? I am not saying what they are doing is not good for the community. Like everyone here I thing that's great. Not only because it's one more pice of freesoftware. Also because that will force web developers to use standards instead of specificities only available on IE. I am just saying that what they are doing is for their own good and not for the good of mankind. Their business model doesn't rely on software ownership but on data mining. I actually don't think that everyone here is naieve enough to believe that Google is doing this purely for altruistic reasons. Just about every open source program ever written was written for the good of the programmer, not for the good of the community. The programmer needed a piece of software, he created it, and saw that it was good. The sharing comes later. Philosophers have been arguing for centuries that nobody does anything for altruistic reasons. Keep that in mind when you turn on the RNC and watch all the speeches from the politicians saying they are running to fix America. Such altruism!!! ;-) Seriously, what Google is doing is exactly like what ATT did when they sent out source of the early UNIX to all those colleges and universities, so many years ago. From that grew BSD UNIX and FreeBSD. But it wasn't done to help UCB, it was done to help ATT! Google is just going back to the original UNIX software model that reigned before the coming of Sauron and the Great Software Darkness. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Google Chrome
I must have missed something, how would running the Chrome browser collect our valuable data? Obviously, keying in data into a search engine to find things is giving the search engine data on what people are searching for. Is there any requirement to do this if your running Chrome? And, how else would you find something? I think I'm missing something here in this argument. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jef moskot Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:32 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Google Chrome On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Seriously, what Google is doing is exactly like what ATT did when they sent out source of the early UNIX to all those colleges and universities, so many years ago. This isn't about creating software, it's about collecting our data. I don't understand why people and institutions are willingly handing over all their most valuable information to a private corporation, but maybe I'm just old and cranky and not ready for the New World Order. Jeffrey Moskot System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Google Chrome
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gerard Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:15 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:26:46 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I must have missed something, how would running the Chrome browser collect our valuable data? Obviously, keying in data into a search engine to find things is giving the search engine data on what people are searching for. Is there any requirement to do this if your running Chrome? And, how else would you find something? I think I'm missing something here in this argument. Please don't top post. It makes reading a thread a lot harder than it needs to be. I think I posted this yesterday. In any case, you might want to to take a look at it and its implications. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/03/0247205from=rss Um, the OP used Chrome to refer to the Google browser under FreeBSD, strongly implying compiling the source to it under FreeBSD. (ie: porting to FreeBSD) At least that is how I took it. The Chrome open source code is under the BSD license, the EULA that is subject of the discussion is attached to the compiled binary that is (I would assume) the result of Google compiling that BSD licensed source under a Windows compiler. You should certainly be aware of the terms of the BSD license by now - if I want to take a product like FreeBSD and compile it's source, I can then commence to apply whatever restrictive EULA that I please to the result. Google is free to license Chrome under BSD then compile a Windows version of Chrome and then apply an EULA to it that is more restrictive - and that appears to be what they have done as documented by this thread you posted. Since the EULA is only under the Windows precompiled binary of Chrome, it isn't applicable to a FreeBSD version of Chrome or to this discussion. So once more, what is the issue here? Since you have the BSD source for Chrome you can certainly remove any secret data collection routines that might be buried in the browser code (if that is your concern, assuming such things even exist) then compile it how you want. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Linux, LDAP and the impossibility of handling editable PDFs
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of O. Hartmann Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:07 AM To: Konrad Heuer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux, LDAP and the impossibility of handling editable PDFs Konrad Heuer wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, O. Hartmann wrote: Several months ago I tried configuring the Linuxulator on several FreeBSD 7.X boxes, most of them pure amd64 and pure 64 bit (as it is possible with Intels pseudo 64 bit crap). The reason for that is simple. Having FreeBSD (now 7.1-PRE) as my favorite OS on servers AND hybrid boxes (acting as workstations AND small servers) makes life easy - I thought and was touhgt wrong. Our administration sends a lot of PDFs around and as it is very usual, our applications, forms and so on for scientific congresses etc. are all PDF and subject to be edited. And here it comes that FreeBSD seems to be a definite deadend! Using pdfedit is wrong, it can't show or edit any PDF we obtained so far. Using 'pdftk' fails, it is not made to run in modern 64 bit environments only when using FreeBSD (linux seems to have no problem, especially Ubuntu does the thing). So, then I remembered myself about Linuxulator and tried acrobatviewer - and failed. As in other professional environments we were far away from using simple user management and therefore there is a LDAP environment. And, funny, Linuxulator does not contact LDAP even if I try to configure it to use our LDAP environment. Digging around what flavor of Linux FreeBSD installs (means: do al ot of work), reading about how to use PAM and LDAP on Linux (means: doing again additional work in an environment I try to avoid!) and at last no success, because something is missing or the Linuxulator should use something for user authentication and autorization it does not have and uses therefore the FreeBSD stuff and then fails. Especially for the Acrobat weirdness (or call it software) something like this occurs whenn attempting starting acrobat reader: (acroread:18831): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (2001) (acroread:18831): Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 12 (Cannot allocate memory) If there is someone here running a 64 bit environment within a LDAP realm and already got successfully running the Linux add ons as expected for LDAP users, you are really welcome to give me some hints how to turn around my frustration and thoughts about definitely leaving the FreeBSD path ... I use a simple workaround to make the Adobe reader (and some other Linux binaries) work - I simply added following entries to the crontab file of root: 00 05 * * * /usr/bin/getent passwd | /usr/bin/sed '1,/nobody/d' /usr/compat/linux/etc/passwd 2 /dev/null 15 05 * * * /usr/bin/getent group /usr/compat/linux/etc/group 2 /dev/null Hope that helps a little bit ... Best regards Konrad Heuer GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you very much, this works. But this seems to be a hack, The REAL hack is running Adobre Reader on the Linuxlator Contact Adobe and demand a native FreeBSD version. You won't be alone. As soon as Adobe gets enough complaints from FreeBSD users they will go forward with a native FreeBSD port. They did it with Linux. Years ago they refused to release a Linux version of Reader. User complaints changed that. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gonzalo Nemmi Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:06 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System Actually .. I'd be more than willing to buy an updated version of that book too .. I _do_ undertand your point of view but to be honest, I'd rather buy a new copy that prints everything up to _yesterday_ and that has at least some hints into tomorrow ... If you only knew the work that has to be done behind the scenes to get one of these out that prints everything up to yesterday... Finally; Editor, Publisher, _Dear_Writer_: if you guys are hesitant .. I think there's at least two copies of an updated version of The Design and Implementation .. already sold with a lot more on the way :) Nobody makes a living off writing FreeBSD books. If the planets align and everything works you can perhaps make enough to buy yourself a toy, like a new motorcycle or something. But if you divide it out, for the time it takes to put one of these together, you would make more money flipping burgers. Seriously. Now, Linux or Macintosh, that's a horse of a different color... These are labors of love, or Resume builders, or merely proving to yourself that you can actually do it and play with the Big Boys. When I put out Corporate Networker's Guide, I literally burned the CD for version 4.2 about 4 hours after 4.2-RELEASE was posted and FedExd the final proof and that burned CD about 2 hours after that. The book started showing up in the stores about a month later, and that helped sales because many folks bought the book to get a current CD, mainly to have a real pressed CD, not a burned one. When the second printing came out, the deadline for turning in the final proof and CD was a week before version 4.4 RELEASE came out. I pleaded with the publisher to delay it for just a week to get the next version in, they basically said that any delay would mean no second printing. They have these printing presses so far in advance and your book gets such a narrow slot of time for access to the printer that if you screw it up, the publisher just says hell with you and that's that. That decision probably caused a noticably larger percent of the second printing run to end up remaindered, rather than sold at full price. A few years later about 6 months after the book went out of print I actually bought a box of 20 of the books for something like a dollar a book, from a remainder dealer, just to have a future cache of them that I could give away. Kind of funny to think about that being almost a decade ago... Ted Mittelstaedt Author, FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD for webserver?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Schmehl Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:22 PM To: VeeJay; FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD for webserver? --On Tuesday, July 22, 2008 22:05:26 +0200 VeeJay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there I am going to make 2 Webserver at my work going to handle 50 mil hits per month... They are using Linux already. But being a FreeBSD fan, I have proposed FreeBSD to my Boss convincing him that FreeBSD is more Fast and Secure solution for his needs... And now I want to show the results... *Hardware:* Dell PowerEdge 2950 III having 2 x CPU 3,0 GHz Intel Xeon L5450 Quad-Core 2x6MB cache WITH 16 GB RAM. *Tools:* 1. FreeBSD 7 Production Release 2. Apache 2.2.9 3. MySQL 5.1.26 4. PHP 5.2.6 My question is, *To get the speed, performance and security*: Should I use Ports or Packages to install all these tools One by One? *OR* Should I use TAR files and compile them manually. For example giving command line arguments and commands like This seems to be a common misperception about ports. Ports aren't something magical. They do exactly what you would do from the commandline (i.e. ./configure, make, make install), except they come with several bonuses. 1) The port maintainer has already worked out all the quirks to make it compile and install properly on FreeBSD. 2) The port maintainer has already supplied patches that allow the software to build correctly on FreeBSD. 3) All the dependencies are already taken care of. 4) Upgrading is quite simple and straightforward. 5) The software is now architechture-independent (in most cases), meaning you can move from Intel to AMD (for example) without having to worry that the software will no longer build and you'll have to start from scratch again. For example, I decided today that I wanted to try out some software named arguseye. So I downloaded and untarred the program. I looked at the dependencies. It requires a number of perl modules, some of which are not in ports. So, I just created three new perl ports to satisfy those dependencies and submitted them this afternoon. Once those are accepted into the tree, I'll create the arguseye port and submit it as well. Then, when someone else wants to install arguseye, all they will have to do is type make install clean in the port directory and everything that they need will be installed for them. Unless you're a glutton for punishment, why would you do all that yourself? Because maybe you don't care for the porter's choice of defaults. Many programs come with hard-coded defaults that are modified in a config file. For example cistron-radius. Another example is the dspam port. The porter for that insisted on using a default of apache vhost. However the default apache port does not activate this. I don't give a rat's ass that vhost is supposedly more secure. Another one that always pisses me off is the porter's choice in building uw-imap to turn off plaintext passwords. And the default for pine is also to turn off plaintext support. Another problem is that not all porters are good about maintaining their ports. For example icradius. Someone spent a lot of time creating the port for that. Then just let it die. Another is the open source ingres database. Julian ported that one then lost interest, it died sometime around FBSD 4.X Another problem with ports is that all of them like pulling the original source from the author's site. I've had a few where the author released the code under GPL then a few years later lost interest, stopped paying whatever ISP he had the main site for the program at, and the porter also lost interest in the project and never bothered obtaining the last available tarfile from the authors site and uploading it to freebsd, then both disappeared. Another one I can recall is the gated code, similar issue. The fundamental achillies heel of the ports system is it makes the assumption that every package in the ports system is popular and will be supported for the indefinite future by the original package developer. The ports system counts on this insofar that it assumes that if the original porter loses interest and stops tracking the master site, that someone else will step in and assume responsibility for maintaining the port. The reality is that in every release of FreeBSD, some ports go wanting for sponsors, and nobody steps forward and so when the port stops building, the FreeBSD maintainers simply cut it out of the ports tree, plus anything dependent on it. This assumption is fine for people running vanilla apache or whatever systems, which is most people. But, if your doing anything that isn't plain-jane middle of the road, you better assume that if your using a series of ports, to make detailed notes, and save the ports, and save the patches, and save the distfiles. You may need to see how
RE: FreeBSD for webserver?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gonzalo Nemmi Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:02 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for webserver? On Wednesday 23 July 2008 03:47:04 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: This seems to be a common misperception about ports. Ports aren't something magical. They do exactly what you would do from the commandline (i.e. ./configure, make, make install), except they come with several bonuses. 1) The port maintainer has already worked out all the quirks to make it compile and install properly on FreeBSD. 2) The port maintainer has already supplied patches that allow the software to build correctly on FreeBSD. 3) All the dependencies are already taken care of. 4) Upgrading is quite simple and straightforward. 5) The software is now architechture-independent (in most cases), meaning you can move from Intel to AMD (for example) without having to worry that the software will no longer build and you'll have to start from scratch again. For example, I decided today that I wanted to try out some software named arguseye. So I downloaded and untarred the program. I looked at the dependencies. It requires a number of perl modules, some of which are not in ports. So, I just created three new perl ports to satisfy those dependencies and submitted them this afternoon. Once those are accepted into the tree, I'll create the arguseye port and submit it as well. Then, when someone else wants to install arguseye, all they will have to do is type make install clean in the port directory and everything that they need will be installed for them. Unless you're a glutton for punishment, why would you do all that yourself? Because maybe you don't care for the porter's choice of defaults. Many programs come with hard-coded defaults that are modified in a config file. For example cistron-radius. Another example is the dspam port. The porter for that insisted on using a default of apache vhost. However the default apache port does not activate this. I don't give a rat's ass that vhost is supposedly more secure. Another one that always pisses me off is the porter's choice in building uw-imap to turn off plaintext passwords. And the default for pine is also to turn off plaintext support. Another problem is that not all porters are good about maintaining their ports. For example icradius. Someone spent a lot of time creating the port for that. Then just let it die. Another is the open source ingres database. Julian ported that one then lost interest, it died sometime around FBSD 4.X Another problem with ports is that all of them like pulling the original source from the author's site. I've had a few where the author released the code under GPL then a few years later lost interest, stopped paying whatever ISP he had the main site for the program at, and the porter also lost interest in the project and never bothered obtaining the last available tarfile from the authors site and uploading it to freebsd, then both disappeared. Another one I can recall is the gated code, similar issue. The fundamental achillies heel of the ports system is it makes the assumption that every package in the ports system is popular and will be supported for the indefinite future by the original package developer. The ports system counts on this insofar that it assumes that if the original porter loses interest and stops tracking the master site, that someone else will step in and assume responsibility for maintaining the port. The reality is that in every release of FreeBSD, some ports go wanting for sponsors, and nobody steps forward and so when the port stops building, the FreeBSD maintainers simply cut it out of the ports tree, plus anything dependent on it. This assumption is fine for people running vanilla apache or whatever systems, which is most people. But, if your doing anything that isn't plain-jane middle of the road, you better assume that if your using a series of ports, to make detailed notes, and save the ports, and save the patches, and save the distfiles. You may need to see how they did it in an older FreeBSD system when a new version of FreeBSD comes out that is missing one or more of the ports you depend on. Ultimately, ports isn't any different than most other things. When it's properly executed it's great. But proper execution of the entire thing depends on every porter who has an active port in the system doing the right thing, and there's so many of them that statistically, some of them are going to be flakes. Ultimately, if your going to be a server admin, you need to know how to build your applications without ports. It's no different than, for example, I know how to pour
RE: Extracting tracks as WAV from a worn-out CD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Razmig K Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:40 AM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Extracting tracks as WAV from a worn-out CD Kevin Kinsey a écrit : Not trying to be overly arrogant, but aren't you asking something similar to why doesn't my broken car run? No, I'm aware of the implications of having a broken car. The question asked for explanations, if any, on why successful extraction ^^ was possible via the SCSI interface while it wasn't via the ATAPI interface. That statement implies that the data extracted isn't damaged. Damage in a wave file is nothing - it's a click or pop in the song. Damage in a data file generally scotches the entire file. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: inetd[860]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use
Either run ssh out of inetd.conf og run it as a daemon, not both. I run it as a daemon myself to do that, leave the line in /etc/rc.conf and remove the line in inetd.conf To run it out of inetd and not as a daemon, remove the line from rc.conf and leave the line in inetd.conf Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of EdwardKing Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:54 PM To: FreeBSD Subject: inetd[860]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use I use FreeBSD7.0,I find some time it raise following information: inetd[860]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use I look up my /etc/rc.conf file,it contains: inetd_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES /etc/inetd.conf file contains: sshstream tcpnowait root /usr/sbin/sshd sshd -i -4 #ssh stream tcp6 nowait root /usr/sbin/sshd sshd -i -6 Where wrong with my BSD system? How to solve it? Any idea will be appreciated! Edward -- Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the intended recipient and may be confidential and/or privileged of Neusoft Group Ltd., its subsidiaries and/or its affiliates. If any reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, unauthorized use, forwarding, printing, storing, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail, and delete the original message and all copies from your system. Thank you. -- - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAve Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:04 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:05 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 05:15:39PM -0400, DAve wrote: Steve Franks wrote: So call me a sociopath, but times are a bit scary. I'd like to do the 2000's equivalent of the 1960's bomb shelter, and have my very own snapshot in case of major local/regional internet disruption, etc. What would be the best way to go about this. I see with 1T words, it appears doable on current technology. Maybe they should offer a snapshot on DVDs or disk as a fundraiser? I'd drop $300 for some sort of officially licenced copy, I suspect there are other freaks that would too... When the world gets that bad, Wikipedia is the least of my concerns, slightly ahead of who is winning American Idol. If it comes to the point the internet goes down for a long period of time, that $300 is better spent on a garden. Just my thoughts. Actually . . . if things get that bad, you're going to need some firepower to protect your garden (and everything else you don't want taken from you by force). To properly protect a garden, you'd need to make it a community farm, with community members who have and will use firearms to protect it (and your Wikipedia mirror). Of course, I greatly admire the impulse to protect the collected knowledge of Wikipedia from disaster. It's also practical -- because it contains a lot of information that might be of use (including good subsistence gardening information, for those of us who don't have naturally green thumbs). If the crash comes and you don't have 4 - 5 years of experience running a garden on your land, plus your own well, your gonna starve. Veggies are very particular as to the kind of soil they like, and the light and water they get. And it takes several years of trying different ones to figure out the ones that do best in your soil. And most modern veggies are hybrids and the seed is genetically engineered, and patented. Many varieties are, in fact, sterile. Many others require irrigation to produce sizable yields. To put in a heritage garden that will produce given the normally occurring rainfall in your area takes someone with many years of experience in your area growing gardens. By the time you would be able to get one going from info in wikipedia, you would have died of starvation. Ted Some of us will have veggies/skills/water for trade. But what he says is true. It ain't as easy as read a page, plant a row. If I have a question on FreeBSD, Wikipedia is my last resort, after phone calls. While it is useful I suppose to some, I would never base a decision on anything I read there. It is useful for key words and topics to expand a search through better sources, but not much else. It really depends on what your looking up. I have found it an invaluable resource for looking up cultural topics that aren't high on the importance scale, if you know what I mean. For example, when the movie Cars came out, after we bought the DVD one evening after watching it I got curious about all the Route 66 references and looked up Route 66 on Wikipedia. It's trivial knowledge of course - is it really important to know that there's a leaning water tower along I-40, is that something you would pay for a print encyclopedia for? If Wikipedia is killing Encyclopedia sales, it is because people are willing to accept mediocrity over accuracy if accuracy comes at a price and mediocrity is free. People have always accepted mediocrity over accuracy if accuracy comes at a price. Where have you been!?!? :-) But I don't see that the print encyclopedia articles are that accurate either, at least, not after time. Particularly on the controversal stuff. My parents, bless their hearts, bought a set of encyclopedias the year before I was born. Undoubtedly some encyclopedia salesman got at them. I got perhaps 2-3 years of use out of them from maybe 5th grade through 7th grade, before the demands on me for accuracy from school were serious enough that the information in them was mainly worthless. Not to mention that these were bought in '65 and had virtually nothing in them about the Civil Rights movement, let alone the Kennedy assasination, items that by 1978 were major watershed events that still had reprecussions. Items, incidentally, that my parents to this day really don't talk about (very understandable, as Republicans they at the time were convinced by that party that Kennedy was very unimportant) and certainly
RE: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:42 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 01:50:20AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Franks Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:49 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? So call me a sociopath, but times are a bit scary. I'd like to do the 2000's equivalent of the 1960's bomb shelter, and have my very own snapshot in case of major local/regional internet disruption, etc. This is not a silly idea. For many many years people would spend hundreds of dollars on a complete set of Encyclopedia Britannica or World Book encyclopedia to have it sit on their shelf gathering dust (until their kids used it for school, etc.) The fact that your even asking the question and wanting to do it is to your credit. I really feel the big value of doing something like this is to be able to go back to it, years later, and compare the old entries on a topic with the current entries on a topic to see how they have changed. I also think that solving the technical problems and learning how to create a wikipedia mirror would be a great learning experience for anyone. But, as for the practical value, I would encourage you to read Asimov's Foundation series to really understand that any attempt to catagorize and store the world's accumulated knowledge in a storage medium in a single location is ultimately an exercise in futility. Asimov made the valid point that book knowledge of facts must work hand in hand with experience to be useful, and experience isn't documentable. Terminus itself, the entire planet and everyone on it, was the encyclopedia - the actual encyclopedia that the encyclopediests were working on, was nothing more than a sham. Thanks for thi, Ted. While this is going even further off-topi, I would like to see a ' (non-scholarly) wiki for just about every topic you can think of. By wiki, i mean, in wiki format. over time it could have citations and beome a research tool. On the BSD kernel prio scheduler, for one example. This mighht grow into a wiki-web for unix nerds; or art history buffs, etv. I've got one questioon that I have been meaning to ask for years, but haven't due to the yelps II've asked some off-the-wall here on -questions simply because this is the most intelligent group|list of people I've found. Is there a more appropriate place to ask miscelllaneous questions? [I know about some and will hold my tongue!] Check out Usenet. Be nice to ask, e.g, why homes are not required to have R-50 in the wall; R-90 attics. Very simple. Building codes are regulated by the local jurisdictions, cities, counties, and such, with input from the state government. The only thing the Federal government can do is ban things - for example the Feds can ban use of asbestos - but they cannot set building codes. Because the local jurisdictions are -frequently- not staffed by competent people, lots of them just punt and follow the national electric code, or whatever industry standard that the construction industry has come up with. Insulation isn't required because the construction industry doesen't want the building codes to require anything over and above that which is needed to keep the building from falling down, so they don't put it in their national industry standards, thus the local jurisdictions don't require it either. (although they certainly could if they wanted) If you have ever had a new house built to spec (ie: you bought a lot in a subdivision with a designated builder, for example) you will have a meeting with the builder and discover that for an extra fee he can deviate from the spec plan and add a great many amenities - like extra insulation, additional electrical outlets, heavier duty wiring, extra gas lines, etc. etc. - that if added after the fact would be enormously expensive and disruptive, requiring tearing into the walls and suchlike. Some people do, some don't. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Franks Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:47 PM To: Gary Kline Cc: Wojciech Puchar; Chad Perrin; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? You know, the Wikipedia is crap argument is becoming tiresome. Maybe they should have picked a different name. It is not a research tool. However, I use it daily when someone mentions Microsoft's latest TLA, or my daughter wants to see a picture of a blue whale, or I forget what port subversion needs open in my firewall, or the webpage market cap for some obscure company. I consider it to be like the browseable companion to google search. Steve, the problem is that for decades the print encyclopedias fulfilled this function. Have you ever, for example, seen a cite to World Book or some such in a serious professional reseach paper? Of course not. They never used it. The vast majority of people buying those print encyclopedias were folks like you who were using them for casual searches. The reason the academic research community is so up in arms over wikipedia is that all the folks like you stopped buying the print encyclopedias when wiki came out, and the encyclopedia publishers have all gone out of business. Your no longer paying some academic gatekeeper and the academics, for all their talk about information freedom, don't like it. Check out tuition recently? Now tell me college is available to any student who wants it. Yeah, right. The academics want their pound of flesh and they don't like the competition. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Franks Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:49 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? So call me a sociopath, but times are a bit scary. I'd like to do the 2000's equivalent of the 1960's bomb shelter, and have my very own snapshot in case of major local/regional internet disruption, etc. This is not a silly idea. For many many years people would spend hundreds of dollars on a complete set of Encyclopedia Britannica or World Book encyclopedia to have it sit on their shelf gathering dust (until their kids used it for school, etc.) The fact that your even asking the question and wanting to do it is to your credit. I really feel the big value of doing something like this is to be able to go back to it, years later, and compare the old entries on a topic with the current entries on a topic to see how they have changed. I also think that solving the technical problems and learning how to create a wikipedia mirror would be a great learning experience for anyone. But, as for the practical value, I would encourage you to read Asimov's Foundation series to really understand that any attempt to catagorize and store the world's accumulated knowledge in a storage medium in a single location is ultimately an exercise in futility. Asimov made the valid point that book knowledge of facts must work hand in hand with experience to be useful, and experience isn't documentable. Terminus itself, the entire planet and everyone on it, was the encyclopedia - the actual encyclopedia that the encyclopediests were working on, was nothing more than a sham. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:05 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: anyone been crazy enough to mirror wikipedia? On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 05:15:39PM -0400, DAve wrote: Steve Franks wrote: So call me a sociopath, but times are a bit scary. I'd like to do the 2000's equivalent of the 1960's bomb shelter, and have my very own snapshot in case of major local/regional internet disruption, etc. What would be the best way to go about this. I see with 1T words, it appears doable on current technology. Maybe they should offer a snapshot on DVDs or disk as a fundraiser? I'd drop $300 for some sort of officially licenced copy, I suspect there are other freaks that would too... When the world gets that bad, Wikipedia is the least of my concerns, slightly ahead of who is winning American Idol. If it comes to the point the internet goes down for a long period of time, that $300 is better spent on a garden. Just my thoughts. Actually . . . if things get that bad, you're going to need some firepower to protect your garden (and everything else you don't want taken from you by force). To properly protect a garden, you'd need to make it a community farm, with community members who have and will use firearms to protect it (and your Wikipedia mirror). Of course, I greatly admire the impulse to protect the collected knowledge of Wikipedia from disaster. It's also practical -- because it contains a lot of information that might be of use (including good subsistence gardening information, for those of us who don't have naturally green thumbs). If the crash comes and you don't have 4 - 5 years of experience running a garden on your land, plus your own well, your gonna starve. Veggies are very particular as to the kind of soil they like, and the light and water they get. And it takes several years of trying different ones to figure out the ones that do best in your soil. And most modern veggies are hybrids and the seed is genetically engineered, and patented. Many varieties are, in fact, sterile. Many others require irrigation to produce sizable yields. To put in a heritage garden that will produce given the normally occurring rainfall in your area takes someone with many years of experience in your area growing gardens. By the time you would be able to get one going from info in wikipedia, you would have died of starvation. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why an old operating system
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of prad Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:00 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: why an old operating system in our search for servers we contacted genstor (on the freebsd compatible hardware list) and a very nice fellow talked to us and sent us a quote. it was out of our price range, but i was very puzzled to see that the brand new and powerful system they were putting together was going to be operating with freebsd 5.4 why would a new system such as this be supplied with such an old os? The simple reason is support. They know that most purchasers will be wiping off the FreeBSD 5.4 install and loading FreeBSD 6.3 on their new server hardware as soon as they get it. Thus if a customer calls up complaining that they have discovered some hardware bug or problem, they can simply say that it must be the newer version of FreeBSD has a bug in it. To get support the customer is then stuck in the position where he has to nuke and repave his server with the old version of FreeBSD then try to recreate the problem just to get support (which is a lot of work) or bitch to the FreeBSD mailing list. Since it is far easier to bitch to the FreeBSD mailing list, you can guess what most customers do. If they run into a really persistent customer who does go to the trouble of backreving the server to 5.4 then they can claim that they only support the 5.4 installs that -they- do, and the server has to be shipped back so they can put it back to how it was when they preloaded it. And of course there will be a charge for this. In short, unless the customer is -extremely- knowledgeable about the process of purchasing a commercial build-to-order server, genstor is going to have a number of bullet-proof get-out-of-jail-free cards that they can play to make it easy to deflect FreeBSD support calls. And an extremely knowledgeable customer won't be buying from them, they will be building their own box, and if they do buy from them, genstor won't hear anything from the customer in the way of support calls because the customer will support himself. FreeBSD servers undoubtedly make up a small fraction of their business, my guess is they mainly sell Linux boxes. They will take the FreeBSD business when they can get it, but on their terms, not on your terms. And their terms obviously are to make it difficult to get support from them. As Bill Moran said, it's a lot of work to do compatability assurance. This is why genstor is getting the big bucks here, your paying them for a custom-built server and part of what you are paying them for is for them to have done the compatability assurance on the CURRENT version of FreeBSD. If they AREN'T going to do it, then they add absolutely no more value than if you just bought the parts and built it yourself - my guess is they are hoping most of their customers haven't figured that out. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wipe a drive clean
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:40 PM To: Steve Bertrand Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Andrew Falanga Subject: Re: Wipe a drive clean I'm having no luck finding hits for wipe drive or zero drive in the mail list archives and I can't believe I'm the first to ask this question but here it is anyway. How can I simply write 0's across a USB thumb drive? I'd rather not install a port, if I can avoid it. I was thinking that something like dd would work, but everything I've tried thus far is not working. What suggestions does everyone have? Will... dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m bs may be smaller but not the default 512 bytes. it's a block size. having very small block will make the process slow dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/disk bs=1024 The above will wipe the drive clean per the United States Department of Defence Standard 5220.22-M To sanitize it per the 5220.22-M stnadard, do the above 3 times. This is intended to destabilise the remnants of data that may exist on the edges of the track of the disk to which the data is written The random device is a lot slower than /dev/zero so the bs isn't as important. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: lots of IPv6 DNS requests
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Radel Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:02 PM To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: lots of IPv6 DNS requests Nameservers are hitting an address of yours. Therefore something is probably handing out your address. Somebody (that would be me) has looked up the address in question and even looked up the nameserver which is handing out that address in a glue record. A simple problem EASILY solved. Why bother the owner of the misconfigured nameserver? Instead, simply insert a wildcard record to your namesever that hands out the IP number of the nastiest porno site you can find to any DNS query. After a few days the owners of the misconfigured nameservers or clients will go hunting for whatever is poisoning their cache. Problem solved. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: lots of IPv6 DNS requests
-Original Message- From: Jon Radel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:15 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Wojciech Puchar; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: lots of IPv6 DNS requests Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Radel Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:02 PM To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: lots of IPv6 DNS requests Nameservers are hitting an address of yours. Therefore something is probably handing out your address. Somebody (that would be me) has looked up the address in question and even looked up the nameserver which is handing out that address in a glue record. A simple problem EASILY solved. Why bother the owner of the misconfigured nameserver? Instead, simply insert a wildcard record to your namesever that hands out the IP number of the nastiest porno site you can find to any DNS query. After a few days the owners of the misconfigured nameservers or clients will go hunting for whatever is poisoning their cache. Problem solved. Ted Silly me, I've always believed that people setup nameservers because they want their resources to be found. Having one the parents of your zone point to a random machine of yours, It seemed that the OP's claim was that he had NOT asked the parents of his domain to point any nameserving to his machine. It used to be that people would at times use random nameservers on the Internet that they discovered, rather than using their own ISP's nameserver. The advent of IP-based filtering for BIND which allows you to specify only non-recursive queries to be answered from IP blocks that are not your own, pretty much put a stop to that. But for whatever reason, sometimes you can't employ IP-based filtering, and you have to setup a nameserver to answer recursive queries from anyone, even though you may still only want the world to be making non-recursive queries to it. The suggestion to use wildcards to issue bogus responses is the general suggestion to convince goofballs on the Internet that happen to come across your recursive-query-responding nameserver that you do not want them to use to make recursive queries, to go elsewhere. Obviously if you intentionally are listing your nameserver in a parent zone, and you employ this trick, you will need to setup a new nameserver on a different IP and change the parent zone. I figured though, that anyone who knew what they were doing would have grasped that concept, however. which you then use to serve crap records, strikes me as somewhat counterproductive. And I really fail to see why whomever runs the parent zone would even notice. The OP claimed that he was getting an excessive number of DNS requests, implying that his parent was redirecting a lot of queries to him that he wasn't supposed to get. If his parent is doing that because they misconfigured their own nameserver, then anyone depending on their nameserver will get crap records back, and likely complain. I think the issue is that you are assuming his parent zone admins are doing the Correct Thing when they have configured their own nameservers. The OP was insistent that his parent zone admins were doing the Wrong Thing when they configured their own nameservers. Thus, my suggestion is essentially telling the OP that if he is so insistent that his parents are screwed up, then he can put his money where his mouth is and wildcard a porno site. As we saw by his response to my suggestion, when the OP was challenged to do this, he rapidly backwatered. Since backwatering he no longer can claim (at least on this list) that his parent admins are idiots, and thus I assume is now open to examining his own config a bit more closely. (which is what you were telling him to do all along) Sometimes if you want the horse to drink, you have to let them run in the opposite direction of the pond. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: generating random passwords
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jos Chrispijn Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:29 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: generating random passwords Bill Campbell wrote: I much prefer apg which can generate more-or-less pronounceable passwords which it is possible to remember (at least after typing them a few times :-). This is not supposed to be an offense to any author of a password generator, but: Never, but never trust any random password generator. You do not know the author, you do not know the algoritm it uses and in worst case scenarion you do not know if there is a millisecond traffic to somewhere that is recording the generated password. This issue is very easily solved with open source code, as you can simply read the code before running it. That is one of the reasons that most crypto implementations that people trust to actually keep things private are open source. One of the biggest problems with random passwords is that they end up written on yellow-stickies on the monitor or under the keyboard. You don't need a generated password for that; it is common behaviour for people that aren't involved in any responsibility whatsoever. Such as people who don't read the source for any password generator before running it? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of prad Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:06 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:03:40 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (aside from the arrogant setting aside of 20 some years of BSD Unix history) i don't really understand the reason for the changing beastie - who is easily the cutest of any os (even better than the excellent puffy of openbsd)! we link to freebsd with beastie and there are certainly several beasties on http://www.freebsd.org/art.html, but none on http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html suggesting that the logo is the logo, but beastie is not? i always thought the daemon was inextricably linked with the bsds - i think it appeared even on the older versions of netbsd and openbsd. The issue started several years ago when one of the core developers started agitating for a different graphic. Apparently he had been asked too many times for his taste if the FreeBSD project had something to do with devil worship. A long drawn out argument ensued but core being core got their way. Core then started claiming Beastie wasn't a logo, he was a mascot and that it why we needed a logo (despite the fact that Beastie has been used as a logo for years) As a peace offering they tried the contest idea. The submissions were so crappy they extended the contest deadline. Finally they got a submission that they decided was OK and that won the contest. The FreeBSD community was not allowed to see the other entrants. It was your basic star chamber decision. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: Chuck Robey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:08 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Wojciech Puchar; Warren Block; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:06 AM To: Warren Block Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only way to really know is to benchmark with your print jobs. there was no case i found postscript to print faster. You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. ?? I had one of the original LaserJet-1's, which derived it's postscript emulation via a plugin cartridge. What part of: ...there was no case i found postscript to print faster...You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one... is not understandable? Let me repeat - on most HP printers PostScript IS SLOWER BECAUSE HP DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. It is NOT slower because of some inherent issue with PostScript itself. Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine in a number of printers? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gerard Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:03 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:01:09 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't all that hard but for some reason the printer manufacturers ship these machines with very low RAM. the reason is to force you then buy high-priced RAMs for them. The market for printers is a very competitive one. Any manufacturer has to factor in the cost of the base machine, plus addition components, so as to compute a selling price that will be competitive with his competition. A manufacturer could easily load up his product will all the RAM he wanted; however, if he could not sell the product, or at least a sufficient number of them to turn a profit, then that effort would be for naught. Personally, I have not found the secondary RAM market to be all that expensive anyway. If there is no need to spit out 24 sheets per minute, then why waste the resources on it? Obviously you never participated in a pissing contest when you were a boy... ;-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: David Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:16 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Chuck Robey; Wojciech Puchar; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice On Jun 4, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What part of: ...there was no case i found postscript to print faster...You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one... is not understandable? Let me repeat - on most HP printers PostScript IS SLOWER BECAUSE HP DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. It is NOT slower because of some inherent issue with PostScript itself. Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine in a number of printers? Only in postscript compatible printers such as the Brother HL-5250DN. When Genuine Postscript is included it is ported to the printer by Adobe. Adobe does not allow it to be crippled as conspiracy-theory Ted claims. Nonsense. Adobe doesen't have any control over the matter. Others have already detailed the difference in speed between the HP PCL and PostScript implementations on HP Printers. I listed all of the ways that HP tries to discourage customers from buying PostScript, and encourage them to go with PCL. Most of these, such as marketing and pricing, and the amount of ram included with the base model PostScript add-on, Adobe has absolutely no control over. Adobe doesen't support their PostScript implementation in an HP Printer, HP does. And the PPDs supplied by HP are different than the ones Adobe supplies from their own website. You also forget that Microsoft went with true type rather than Adobe Type Manager, and many people have complained about the poorly implemented PostScript drivers that come standard with Windows. So not just HP but Microsoft also cooperates/competes with Adobe. There's more ways to tank an implementation that just failing to properly implement ie. There's many ways that tech companies have tried over the years (and succeeded at times) to sabotage their competitors. You have a very naieve view of the tech industry. All genuine Postscript printers ship with similar CPUs, originally Motorola 68000 family, for this very reason. And the fact this makes it a lot easier to port has nothing to do with it..NOT! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fraser Tweedale Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:55 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 01:45:57AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [snip] The issue started several years ago when one of the core developers started agitating for a different graphic. Apparently he had been asked too many times for his taste if the FreeBSD project had something to do with devil worship. A long drawn out argument ensued but core being core got their way. Core then started claiming Beastie wasn't a logo, he was a mascot and that it why we needed a logo (despite the fact that Beastie has been used as a logo for years) As a peace offering they tried the contest idea. The submissions were so crappy they extended the contest deadline. Finally they got a submission that they decided was OK and that won the contest. The FreeBSD community was not allowed to see the other entrants. It was your basic star chamber decision. Ted I always have wondered about the other entries. Surely someone has got a copy of them lying around; I (and I'm sure many others) would be quite interested to see them, if such a thing is possible. Start (and end) here: http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeffrey Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:34 PM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: FreeBSD List Subject: Re: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials that I made the right decision. In the same way that when I volunteer at the school, I don't where wear controversial T-Shirts. (Though who would have thought that my Friends don't let friends use Windows shirt would cause complaints!) They'd probably shit bricks if you wore this T-shirt ;-) http://www.cafepress.com/landoverbaptist.165261422 (Yes, I know) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: David Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:37 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice We have one at work that if it was up to me I too would sell it for $50 if anyone offered. Its a networked color HP 4M something that prints 11 wide. Letter prints sideways, and 11x17 prints lengthwise. Its slower than Christmas when printing photos. Maybe 2 pages per hour. We keep it because 1) its paid for, 2) we have space for it, and 3) it prints very pretty color text for proposals. The HP4M color is a completely different technology than modern HP color laserjets. It is also different than the 4+ which is a black and white. HP made 2 printers they called the 4M and the 4M Color. Completely different printers. DIfferent electronics, imaging engines, etc. We have a HP color 3550 laserjet in our office. The print speed is faster than the black and white laserjets which are older. The 3550 is a newer printer. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:41 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Questions; Kurt Buff; Chuck Robey; Derek Ragona Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice At the same time, HP's patents are about to expire in the next few years. Anybody know when, to-the-year? HP uses Canon's imaging engines for their printers, the patents are mainly on the HP-specific control stuff, which nobody really cares much about. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:06 AM To: Warren Block Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only way to really know is to benchmark with your print jobs. there was no case i found postscript to print faster. You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. Remember that HP had to pay a very hefty fee to Adobe for licensing PostScript for each printer. HP did everything possible to push PCL and discourage customers from selecting PS because they did not want to continue to have to pay Adobe. HP did not dare mess with the PostScript implementation itself for fear of a lawsuit - every HP printer that went out the door they definitely made sure was completely compliant with PostScript - but they did everything else to discourage it. They told all the companies that wrote tutorials to minimize PostScript and enhance PCL, they make PostScript models much more expensive, they didn't ship models with Postscript with enough ram to run the PostScript interpreter reasonably quickly, and they made no effort to speed up the PostScript implementation. Still another trick was distributing PPD files that didn't have a complete definition of all printer accessories so that when you printed PostScript from, for example, Windows, you might not have a duplexer definition and could only print duplex on PCL. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pollywog Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:57 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials On Monday 02 June 2008 15:58:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely, it's what got me over to BSD ! I am a little confused. I just see a sphere with horns on it that reminds me of the BSD daemon's head, only made to look less demonic. Is it supposed to be something else? No, that is what it's supposed to be. The sex toy issue is that you saw the sphere with horns AFTER you saw Beastie. So you had a frame of reference, and naturally assume it's Beastie's head. The problem is, think about people who have NEVER seen Beastie before seeing the sex toy logo for the first time. Since they have no frame of reference they can easily assume that it means anything at all. Such as the business end of a French tickler, which it kind of resembles. When those of us in the know call it a sex toy, we are making a little inside joke, as we are basically saying the logo design is terrible because it does not indicate to anyone looking at it what it is supposed to represent. The Linux penguin is no different - someone seeing a Penguin isn't going to know it has to do with an operating system, either. Many corporate logos also suffer from the same problem. The difference between the corporate logos and Linux and us, is that those organizations have the marketing muscle to take their rediculous logo designs and pound them into the public conciousness through endless advertising. See a blue oval? Most people think Ford Not because a blue oval has anything to do with cars. It's because Ford has dumped trillions of dollars in advertising over the years pounding that association into the public mind. The designer of the FreeBSD logo approached it from the usual corporate arrogance of we can create anything we want, then just pay money for the association. The only problem is that the FreeBSD project has no money to spend to create this association. As a result the logo completely fails in it's job. Arguably, there is also no public association between Beastie and the FreeBSD operating system either, so in the long run we aren't any worse off than we were. (aside from the arrogant setting aside of 20 some years of BSD Unix history) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Chuck Robey; Kurt Buff; FreeBSD Questions; Derek Ragona; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice my HP LaserJet 4 shows 122000 pages, was 88000 when i bought it for 100PLN (about 40$)+another 100 for made-in-Poland new ink cardridge (enough for about 8000-1 pages). HP LaserJet 4 and 3 is excellent, anything newer - crap, as HP joined others in making craps so every year user has to buy new one. The 5Si is also an excellent printer. The higher-end HP LJ's are not crap, and last many many years too. The problem is that around the post-4 and post-5 years HP started coming out with the personal LJ printers, which are all crap, and jacked up the price of the workgroup printers to prevent sabotaging the sales of the cheap crap. My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. i don't think it will stop within 10 years. but do you have original HP manual? if not - i have for laserjet 4 in PDF. do not try to disassembly without it :) I do, and have repaired many fuser idler gears in these printers, as that is usually what gets teeth broken off it and is responsible for most of the jams. Ebay is flooded with cheap HP LJ 4 parts. I kind of suspect that somewhere in China is a company that produces counterfeits of these and other popular HP Laserjets. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:43 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Warren Block; FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. Remember that HP had to pay a very hefty fee to Adobe for licensing PostScript for each printer. HP did everything possible to push PCL and discourage customers from selecting PS because they did not want to continue to have to pay Adobe. HP did not well that make sense. anyway - idon't think that implementing postscript processing (or any other language) in printers make sense at all. computers are powerfull, printer could just take a bitmap and print it (and be cheaper). PostScript predates the existence of multi-gigahertz CPU screamers... For simply printing graphics bitmaps your not using any of the Postscript features and a binary dump to the printer is just as useful. But that is not what PostScript is all about. Neither is PCL6 all about that, either. unfortunately such implementations are usually winprinters ... Uh, what exactly do you think that HP's Linux driver does that supports many different models of HP desktop printers? HP wrote that Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Robey Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:26 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Kurt Buff; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Questions; Derek Ragona Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . Just one warning about these. The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't shake down the cartridge to get an extra hundred or so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the fuser is bad when it's out of toner. Man, this is really going to look like I'm never satisfied, which I guess is actually true, so why am I worried about that? thanks to this thread, I found out about the Brother printers ... my own requirements list includes (color duplex printer scanner). I don't need it to be a laser, but I do need both color, multifunc, and duplex printing. I spotted the Brother the DCP-9045CDN, but at $700 list, I begin to wonder if I could find one with the same specs ESCEPTING it was the cheaper technology of inkjet. No, no no Don't join the dark side, Luke! Inkjet color printing is NEVER cheaper. Color laser is what you want. There are some really good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. The only time inkjet makes sense is if your printing needs for your lifetime consist of a single ream of paper. My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. Color laserjets will end up doing the same thing. The reason the printer mfgrs love inkjets is that not only is the cost per page far higher, necessitating frequent ink cartridge changes, but the ink cartridges themselves dry up and stop working, and the printers jam, strip gears, and stop working. Thus you are able to sell the person printer after printer. If you look at laserjet sales, the only movement on the printers themselves is among people who buy laserjets for very high volume printing. Thus the printer manufacturers have bent over backwards to keep the laserjets out of the retail supply chain, and it is the new entries into the US market - like brother, samsung and the like, who are willing to go into the retail chain and discount. When I visit Fry's every once in a while and overhear people discussing what printer to buy, I love to drag them over to the salesguy's little kiosk and point out the HP Laserjet 8000n behind the counter, which occupies just about all free space in the kiosk. I ask them, why would Fry's stick this giant printer behind the counter, and suck up all free space if a small personal printer occuping so much less space was as good of a deal? But laserjet technology is old, been around for years, and is very time tested. If the average printer consumer realized how much money they were tossing away on inkjets, they would be demanding lasers and the price of the laserjet would be dirt cheap. The reasoning behind going to inkjet is because I'm currently on a tight budget. I really would like to pay no more than about half that $700. You will pay more over the long haul, guarenteed. Run the numbers. Seriously, this is one of those purchases where it actually makes sense to finance it on a visa card or some such. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need to build a new mail server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:06 PM To: DAve Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need to build a new mail server This freebsd-questions thread is approaching a low signal/noise ratio very very fast. MTAs are a hotly debated subject, and they tend to spark the flames of a religious war *very* fast. Can we _please_ try to steer this discussion back on track, and actually _help_ the original poster, No, Giorgos, we can't. The OP asked a question that cannot be answered by a few simple posts to a mailing list. Whole books have been writen that cover nothing other than how to build a mailserver. Because the question is unanswerable, (at least in this forum and format) what your going to get instead is the big dick war. I'd advise you to just ignore it as I have done - indeed, this is my first and only contribution to the thread - the only reason I even bothered looking at it at all, was because I was surprised to see the thread still alive, and as your name was on a posting I figured that something really interesting must have been under discussion. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Unga Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:14 PM To: Steve Lake Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials Raiden's Realm is a community tech site dedicated to helping people learn about Linux, BSD, and open source software. - WHO WE ARE, www.raiden.net. If you are honest for your site's objective, appreciate if could drop the penguin from the site's logo without a delay. It clearly shows your bias. Yep, he definitely likes birds better than red sex toys... Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frank Shute Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:51 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Gary Kline; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:07:56PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Gary Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:14 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Kevin Downey; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Chill down a bit, okay? first, (as the OP), i did not know thaat there was *this** great a disparity in thee rendering between classes of browsers. i used to stick pretty close to the w3.org (or whatever it was). i didn't think the difference extended to how the TABLE stuff was parsed. Gary, the problem is that the majority of people out there use IE, most IE7, but still a lot of IE6, and a few deihards IE5. Then there are the older versions of Safari on the Mac - there's still a lot of Mac's around that are running 10.2 believe it or not, and those came with MS IE for the Mac which -really- munges some pages. And Safari for Windows - which is a bit different than Safari on the Mac. And then there are all the Unix browsers. There are some test programs that can help. But the validators can tell you your code is right and it still will display differently in some of the browsers. The only way to do it is to do what the pros do - which is have all the different systems available and load their pages in those browsers. I test my pages with IE7, Safari on XP and Firefox on FreeBSD. Fixing problems with IE6 or anything else is too much to expect from amateur pages (which mine are). IE6 is the last MS browser available for W2K and even though W2K was out for only a short time, (compared to XP) unlike Win98, it is a real 32 bit version of Windows, and there's still a lot of it out there. Although, after the US economic stimulus checks are received by the general populace, I'm sure that will change somewhat. (I was very tempted when I opened the Fry's Electronics advert today and saw the Toshiba laptop, dual-core CPU, 1GB ram, 160GB disk with a DVD burner, going for $449.99) Telling people my site is fine your browser is fucked, get a better one is the mark of an amateur who is also being extremely presumptive. It's the old do it my way or fuck off You forget that Gary is an amateur. Hence, any complaints can be dealt with they validate, F off and get a better browser. (When he gets round to making them validate :) :-) He is an amateur - but his content isn't the sort of content that is a must have to where people will actually go to the trouble of loading a different browser to view it. (Hint: this is why virtually all church services are free to attend) This is what Microsoft tells people - and most FreeBSDers and Linux people claim they are on the moral high ground because they aren't forcing their stuff down people's throats - that is, until they create a webpage and then they have no problem forcing software down people's throats to see it, I guess I can't see anything wrong with telling people to use better software, you're doing them a favour! It's obviously different if you're writing pages for a commercial site. I'm not sure I follow that... You should still write pages that validate and there are various hacks you can use with CSS, the DOM and Javscript to make your pages appear OK in older broken browsers...and newer ones with bugs. But why do you need to do those if your telling people to get a better browser... ;-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD CardBus
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam Jacob Muller Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:52 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD CardBus Hi, I have a server that has a pci-cardbus adapter in it. For some reason when I connect the card (A verizon PC5750) it isn't completely detected. The only messages are: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dmesg|grep -e cbb -e cardbus -e pccard cbb0: ENE CB1410 PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 12.0 on pci3 cbb0: Found memory at fea0 cbb0: Secondary bus is 0 cbb0: Setting primary bus to 3 cbb0: Secondary bus set to 4 subbus 5 cardbus0: CardBus bus on cbb0 pccard0: 16-bit PCCard bus on cbb0 cbb0: [ITHREAD] cbb0: card inserted: event=0x, state=3820 cbb0: cbb_power: 3V cbb0: cbb_power: 0V How do you know it's supported under FreeBSD? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . Just one warning about these. The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't shake down the cartridge to get an extra hundred or so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the fuser is bad when it's out of toner. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAve Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:31 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:51 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, '93-4, there was BR,P, B, and EM. i wrote a 2.2K-line program to handle hi - ``hi'' and a couple other things. the code has evolved, of course, but still works. Not the case. I use vi myself and I eschew background gifs and such. Web pages that I create are black text on a white back ground interspersed with images when needed. Period. No CSS no frames, no nothing. If the content I put up isn't worth reading then no amount of formatting, font specification, animated images, and so forth is going to get people to look at it, is my feeling. I nearly spit coffee on my keyboard! I agree with you 100%. When we all did HTML with BBedit and Textpad, people like Black, Tog, and Nielsen kept everyone designing websites to best serve the content. Now it is all about the sizzle, but there is rarely a steak. Think about the generation we went to High School with. This is the generation that's signature movies were Risky Business, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, etc. Listening to Prince and Michael Jackson. Who's signature book was Madonna's SEX. These are the people who a decade later were buying SUV's and drinking coffee out of a Folgers can, who voted in George Bush, and who today are upside down on their ARM-financed homes. These are the consumers of the websites on the Internet today. No wonder most of the sites suck. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
Don't bother, Gary. The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. The ultra-cheapo people use godaddy's site builder and put crap on a crappy-looking interface. The better hosting companies each have their own site builders and look better, and are populated by acres of garden-variety corporate and the occassional personal sites. Very, very few people custom-write sites in HTML anymore. Most people use sitebuilding software (frontpage was the original, it's deprecated now in favor of other newer tools) either running on their PC or on the server. black text on blue is terribly hard to read for most people, read up on how the human eye works to understand why. Put your time into loading a CMS system on your server then create your site in it. Yes the learning curve is steep in the beginning but it's not rote memorization of HTML tags. It is understanding how all the things work together. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:58 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: Kevin Downey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let be the first of many to say, please do not top post. Let me be the first to say please don't quote the entire posting and the entire response. In a recent interview it was revealed that the New York Times does a lot of by hand html writing because it just gets you better html. Of course it does. And I would expect a really professional site to do so. But, your not paying attention to what he is saying: ... trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge... An html author who writes by hand MUST know about ALL browser idiosyncracies. The OP does not want to know this or he would have TESTED with all browsers years ago. And the context indicates he really doesen't want to know. ...I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve... Have you visited this guy's website and actually READ it? This isn't a stupid person here. Anyone who gets an engineering degree is perfectly capabably of surmounting the learning curve. He DOESEN'T WANT TO DO IT. His website IS NOT the usual techie website full of instructions on how to write better html, use this, that and so on. He's simply not interested in that - at least, not enough to actually want to spend any time learning an HTML editor. He doesen't WANT to surmount the learning curve, it is NOT that he CAN'T DO IT. What he wants is a shortcut, a means to QUICKLY get what he has to say online, with minimal work, that will look OK in all browsers. He doesen't want the world's greatest website. He just wants it good enough so that people will read his philosophy, which is what he is really interested in. Not all this html stuff. This comprises the VAST MAJORITY of all people posting stuff to the web. Of course, most of them are using template sites, or myspace, or facebook, or whatever. You might think a facebook user isn't a web designer, but she thinks she is. She is doing the same thing a web designer does - put her information onto the web so other people can read it. And she is using a CMS that takes care of all the icky details of making her stuff look the same across all browsers. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:51 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, '93-4, there was BR,P, B, and EM. i wrote a 2.2K-line program to handle hi - ``hi'' and a couple other things. the code has evolved, of course, but still works. Not the case. I use vi myself and I eschew background gifs and such. Web pages that I create are black text on a white back ground interspersed with images when needed. Period. No CSS no frames, no nothing. If the content I put up isn't worth reading then no amount of formatting, font specification, animated images, and so forth is going to get people to look at it, is my feeling. Looking at your site, it's clear your not a true minimalist. Thus, my recommendation to not even try. Web page design has got so complex that you basically have to do it full time to made a page that looks professional. If your going to create pages, then a true minimalist page is just as functional and just as good as an amateur attempt. Meaning, both it and the amateur page will look like crap, but people aren't there for the looks they are there for the information, and they won't care. Naturally, I am perfectly aware too many people assume that if the page is unformatted that the content must be crap. So, for commercial sites that I am involved in that a lot of eyeballs look at, I don't code those. I have my wife code them - who IS an HTML designer. Watching her work I can see how much work is involved in making a page look professional. (she uses homesite, which is a commercial html editor, it is not a wysiwyg like dreamweaver) I know that if I just do the usual job that an amateur does, it's like a little kid riding a plastic horse at the grocery store and pretending he's a cowboy. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: Gary Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:14 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Kevin Downey; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Chill down a bit, okay? first, (as the OP), i did not know thaat there was *this** great a disparity in thee rendering between classes of browsers. i used to stick pretty close to the w3.org (or whatever it was). i didn't think the difference extended to how the TABLE stuff was parsed. Gary, the problem is that the majority of people out there use IE, most IE7, but still a lot of IE6, and a few deihards IE5. Then there are the older versions of Safari on the Mac - there's still a lot of Mac's around that are running 10.2 believe it or not, and those came with MS IE for the Mac which -really- munges some pages. And Safari for Windows - which is a bit different than Safari on the Mac. And then there are all the Unix browsers. There are some test programs that can help. But the validators can tell you your code is right and it still will display differently in some of the browsers. The only way to do it is to do what the pros do - which is have all the different systems available and load their pages in those browsers. Telling people my site is fine your browser is fucked, get a better one is the mark of an amateur who is also being extremely presumptive. It's the old do it my way or fuck off This is what Microsoft tells people - and most FreeBSDers and Linux people claim they are on the moral high ground because they aren't forcing their stuff down people's throats - that is, until they create a webpage and then they have no problem forcing software down people's throats to see it, I guess Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD based router ...
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:38 PM To: Matthew Donovan Cc: Marc G. Fournier; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD based router ... On Tue, 27 May 2008 22:28:35 -0400, Matthew Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:56:55PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? Juniptor makes routers based on freebsd. Sorry for the spelling really it's incorrect for the company name but you can just look up theri site if you want to pay for it really good from what I have heard. The correct spelling of the name is 'Juniper'. You are right of course. Juniper develops high-end routers. They're very very good at it too :) They are very expensive. A Juniper is not based on FreeBSD. It uses FreeBSD as the control interface. The actual routing happens in specialized ASICS that Juniper custom-builds. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD based router ...
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry B. Altzman Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:31 AM To: Erik Trulsson Cc: Bob McConnell; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD based router ... On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Putting a total of 6 quad-port NICs on a single PCI-bus would totally swamp that bus though, so if one were to actually use so many NICs I would rather recommend e.g. the Asus P5BP-E/4L motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 3 PCI-E slots in addition to the four gigabit LAN ports included on the motherboard - so you can get a total of 28 ports if you fully populate all slots with quad-port NICs (not counting any USB-connected ethernet ports one might add.) It also has built-in graphics so one does not need to waste one slot on a graphics card.) And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might actually be on to something, there, and that ASICs might actually be worth what you paid for them. If it's purely ethernet-to-ethernet routing, and a lot of ethernet ports, then he should check into the layer-3 switches on the market and see if they will work for him. Much cheaper than a real router Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD based router ...
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Radel Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:24 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD based router ... Tom Van Looy wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. No it's not, they consume electricity. Soekris boxes are designed for low-power. I had a 4501 and now have a 5501. And, other than in hobbyist's private networks and things built with volunteer labor, there are generally labor costs. Rummaging in the junk pile can get pretty expensive if you have to pay somebody to do it That really depends on both the organization and the worker and what their job is and a lot of other things. For example, I manage people at an ISP. Their jobs are to run the network and answer customer support calls. If they are doing their jobs then the ISP runs well and we don't get many support calls. Thus some of their time they will be sitting idle. I don't adjust their job descriptions to permanently increase the amount of work they do because I don't want them tied up doing more work when a customer does call for support, and also because it is punishing them for doing a good job in the first place. Yet I don't want them sitting around playing computer games while they are waiting for a support call, either. In this case, if they are working on building some junk computer into a router then it is not critical work that they cannot set down immediately at any time if a customer calls. Yet it also keeps them busy and out of trouble, and contributes something to the business. And it teaches them something so their brains don't rot. My labor costs are going to be the same whether they are resurrecting some old PC or whether they are sitting twiddling their thumbs, so now please explain to me how it is that I am incurring expense paying someone to rummage in a junk pile? And there are also the cases of the government organizations who have money budgeted to upgrades but not capital expenses, and every expense over $500 must be justified to the nth degree. In those organizations you can spend $2K USD without seeking second level approval if you write a series of PO's for under $500 each, getting a hard disk on one, a power supply on another, a motherboard on a third, etc. But if you try to simply buy a PC all put together for less money you will get it slapped down. Dilbert even had a series of cartoons about this, one of the few series I've read that I didn't think was funny, as it simply described reality for a lot of people. So, yeah, there are a lot of organizations that do not function nice and neat like it says they should in the MBA courses. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: non-RAID SATA
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 6:11 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: non-RAID SATA I am looking for a cost-effective way to add a SATA drive to an existing 7.0 system whose on-board controller is PATA, and am not getting very far at all in identifying an inexpensive controller which would be expected to work well. (I'd prefer PCI, since the USB in this box is probably 1.0 and not capable of sustaining desirable data rates.) SATA is faster than PCI. Most people would replace the motherboard or use a USB 2.0 card which has a far faster transfer speed than PCI does as a transition, with the expectation that sooner or later they are going to replace the system. All mentions of SATA in the hardware guide and FAQ seem to be of RAID controllers, or else too generic to guide a choice of add-in cards. Does anyone have any experience with this that they would be inclined to share? In automotive terms your adding a free-flow exhaust to a restricted engine - in the trade we call them adding a fart can because they do nothing to help the car go faster since there's restrictions further up the chain. Go buy an inexpensive USB 2.0 external disk case, then buy your SATA disk and stick it inside of that, with the idea that eventually your going to get a faster machine you might be able to use the disk in. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RAID 0+1
-Original Message- From: Nejc Škoberne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:06 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: 'User Questions' Subject: Re: RAID 0+1 Hey, don't use gmirror and atacontrol at the same time. Use one or the other. I don't. As I said: Then I would merge the second slice of all 4 drives into a 0+1 array (first gstriping and then gmirroring them). I somehow succeeded this, but I also get a WARNING when booting the system: So I am gstriping first and then gmirroring the stripes. And I am getting this warning message: WARNING: Expected rawoffset 0, found 63 I don't know if I should worry about this or not. You mentioned you used atacontrol to create the array, that's not part of gmirror. However in any case, you are not done. What you need to do now is write some data to the array, then unplug one of the sata connectors to the drive. The array will go into fault mode. Then you need to add the disk back in and see if the array will accept it, or if the array ends up scotching everything. A mirror is no good if it can't actually survive a fault. I used to do this when selling servers to HP Proliants. I'd have a customer with me and go to one of our production, running HP servers, eject a drive from the array, give it to the customer for inspection, then plug it back in. Other than the red light appearing on the drive for a few minutes, the rebuild operation was entirely in hardware, the server wouldn't even blink. If your array can't do that, your just basically technically masterbating with your system to feel good - it is in actuality a completely worthless mirror setup. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RAID 0+1
don't use gmirror and atacontrol at the same time. Use one or the other. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nejc Škoberne Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:51 AM To: User Questions Subject: RAID 0+1 Hello, I have FreeBSD 7.0 and 4 250GB SATA disks and I would like to make one big 500GB 0+1 RAID array. My hardware is HP ProLiant ML110G5. First I tried creating ATA RAID arrays with BIOS tools, but FreeBSD wouldn't recognize the arrays. Than I decided to create the RAID-0 arrays with atacontrol. I succeeded, ending up with ar0 and ar1 each 500GB big. My plan was to install the FreeBSD as usual on ar0 and then add both into a gmirror array. However, I BootMgr seem not to be able to boot from RAID-0 array created with atacontrol? Is this correct? I guess this is because BootMgr knows nothing about striping and cannot read the kernel. Finally I tried to create two slices on each drive. The plan was to join the first slice of all 4 drives into a gmirror array and mount it as / partition (I guess BootMgr would boot normally from such an array). Then I would merge the second slice of all 4 drives into a 0+1 array (first gstriping and then gmirroring them). I somehow succeeded this, but I also get a WARNING when booting the system: ad0: 238475MB WDC WD2500YS-70SHB1 20.06C06 at ata0-master SATA150 ad1: 238475MB Seagate ST3250620NS 3BJP at ata0-slave SATA150 ad2: 238475MB GB0250C8045 HPG1 at ata1-master SATA150 GEOM_STRIPE: Device gs0 created (id=2160028923). GEOM_STRIPE: Disk ad0s2 attached to gs0. ad3: 238475MB GB0250C8045 HPG1 at ata1-slave SATA150 GEOM_STRIPE: Disk ad1s2 attached to gs0. GEOM_STRIPE: Device gs0 activated. GEOM_STRIPE: Device gs1 created (id=3269017453). GEOM_STRIPE: Disk ad2s2 attached to gs1. GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm0 launched (4/4). GEOM_STRIPE: Disk ad3s2 attached to gs1. GEOM_STRIPE: Device gs1 activated. WARNING: Expected rawoffset 0, found 63 GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm1 launched (1/2). GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm1: rebuilding provider stripe/gs1. Is this critical? It looks like the system is fine, though. Is there any more proper way to build such a system with RAID 0+1? Thanks, Nejc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Buffalo/Broadcom wireless N card
Just one more tip when using ndisgen,
If you produce a module that is unstable, try ndisgening with
an older version of the windows driver, that will work sometimes.
Ted
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:03 PM
To: Questions
Subject: Re: Buffalo/Broadcom wireless N card
Walter wrote:
I'm trying to compile support for a wireless router into FBSD 7
using instructions off a FBSD help page I can't locate just now.
(I'm working on building a network bridge.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:10:0:class=0x028000 card=0x03531154 chip=0x432914e4
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation'
device = 'BCM43XNG 802.11n Network Adapter'
class = network
When it boots in the machine which has the card (I compiled
on another computer) it blows out with a kernel error (writing
not a non-existent page, I think) when the device shows up.
It shows as device bge0 but identified as BCM 5701 (iirc).
Can someone point me in the right direction? Has anyone
gotten this card to work?
With help from the List I got this to work:
The answer, maybe not the BEST answer, but the answer that
works, is to use the Windows XP driver and FBSD's 'ndis'. My
goal was to build a FBSD router with wireless access to my COTS
wireless router to provide network access in another part of the house.
Get the driver files (.sys .inf) either from the CD that came with
the card or from the Buffalo web site:
http://www.buffalotech.com/support/downloads/
Then, per instructions from the Handbook (11.8.2)
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-set
up.html
run 'ndisgen' on the driver files:
# ndisgen netg300n.inf cbg300n.sys
A .ko file will be generated: cbg300n_sys.ko. It can be loaded
using 'kldload ./cbg300n_sys.ko' but I wanted it loaded at boot.
So, as 11.8.2 says, copy this file to /boot/modules and add the
following line to /boot/loader.conf:
cbg300n_sys_load=YES
Also, as I wanted WPA encryption, I added two other lines to
loader.conf:
wlan_ccmp_load=YES
wlan_tkip_load=YES
The wireless setup instructions are in the handbook section 29;
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.h
tml
Then in /etc/rc.conf add this:
ifconfig_ndis0=WPA DHCP
The device 'ndis0' is created by the ndis driver when it handles a
Windows driver. I guess if you have more than one Windows
device and driver you get to sort out the various ndis0/1/2/3/4/5/etc.
If you don't want WPA just use DHCP and you don't need the
two extra lines above in loader.conf.
For WPA you need to create the WPA config file:
/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid=your wireless network name
psk=your personal access key
}
Somehow, it all magically started working. (No doubt due to the
hard work of many FBSD coders.)
I hope I didn't leave out any major part. I'm posting this not only
so other can benefit if they run into a similar problem, but in case
this box burns (HD fails) I'll have a record of what I did to recreate
it. g
Thank you again to those that helped.
Walter
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RE: raid1 + degraded (take out one disk) + fatal trap 12 on next reboot
Roberto, You can't simulate a disk drive failure that way. If you really want to know what's going on, the issue is that your pointing the swap to ar0. If you must get this booted again you can try booting into single user mode and editing /etc/fstab and pointing the partitions to /dev/ad0 instead of /dev/ar0 and booting. But this is an emergency action and is not recommended. If you want to simulate a drive failure, WHILE THE SYSTEM IS RUNNING pull the SATA connector on one drive. The system should NOT trap, it should simply print a error to the console and show it's gone into degraded mode. If you then reboot, the system may or may not come back up. You have to understand the approach of RAID mirroring. Basically this is poor-man's data protection. The idea is that a disk usually fails in the middle of the day during the worst possible time. When it does you do NOT want the server to stop or crash. You want it to keep running until the evening when you can spend a couple hours getting the disk replaced. (or until the next day when you can buy a replacement drive) When you have the replacement disk ready to plug into the system, you are supposed to run a full backup of your data on the degraded array just in case the reinsertion goes badly. I have found the safest is to leave the server alone and get the replacement disk ready. Wiping it in another system with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad1 bs=50k is the best policy before reinsertion. Follow the steps in the man page for reinsertion. Keep in mind that they don't always work. If they don't then you will have to wipe both disks and regenerate the array and reinstall the OS. That is why you make a backup first when the system is off-duty. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roberto Nunnari Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:35 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raid1 + degraded (take out one disk) + fatal trap 12 on next reboot Nobody on this, please? :) Roberto Nunnari wrote: Hi all! I'm playing with new HW and FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0. I set up raid 1 on two sata disks (fakeraid on ICH9R) and as long as I can see, it seams to work very well. Now I'm trying to simulate 1 disk failure (I just take out a disk and boot again). Doesn't matter which of the two disks I take out, the bios correctly shows the raid as degraded and bootable, loads the FreeBSD loader, who loads the kernel and starts the boot. But when the kernel comes to the drives (or the swap?) it fatal traps 12. The trap descriptions sais that current process is 0 (swapper). Reading that I commented out the swap partition from fstab, but that doesn't help. How can I get the system to finish the boot? Thank you and best regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Poweredge 1950 IPMI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy
Christianson
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:30 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Poweredge 1950 IPMI
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 02:07 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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Christianson
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:35 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Poweredge 1950 IPMI
A while back I posted about reading the CPU temperature on a Dell
Poweredge 1950. The proposed solution was to use ipmitool to read the
temperature from the IPMI controller. This gives me a lot of readings,
including ambient temperature, but it does not give me the temperature
of the CPUs. It says disabled for the top four readings,
which should be
the CPU readings.
After doing some research online, I found a possible
alternate solution
of using coretemp. There was a thread that said that the Xeon
dual-core
CPUs supported that. After checking the output of cpuid, I have
confirmed that these CPUs definitely do not support coretemp.
Here's the cpuid table (eax in 6 is for thermal monitoring capability
--it's all 0s):
eax ineax ebx ecx edx
0006 756e6547 6c65746e 49656e69
0001 0f64 04040800 e4bd bfebfbff
0002 605b5001 007d7040
0003
0004
0005 0040 0040
0006
8000 8008
8001 0001 20100800
8002 20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020
8003 6e492020 286c6574 58202952 286e6f65
8004 20294d54 20555043 30302e33 007a4847
8005
8006 08006040
8007
8008 3024
Here's the output from ipmitool:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/achristianson]# ipmitool sdr
Temp | disabled | ns
Temp | disabled | ns
Temp | disabled | ns
Temp | disabled | ns
Ambient Temp | 24 degrees C | ok
CMOS Battery | 0x00 | ok
ROMB Battery | Not Readable | ns
VCORE| 0x01 | ok
VCORE| 0x01 | ok
CPU VTT | 0x01 | ok
1.5V PG | 0x01 | ok
1.8V PG | 0x01 | ok
3.3V PG | 0x01 | ok
5V PG| 0x01 | ok
1.5V PXH PG | 0x01 | ok
5V Riser PG | 0x01 | ok
Backplane PG | 0x01 | ok
Linear PG| 0x01 | ok
0.9V PG | 0x01 | ok
0.9V Over Volt | 0x01 | ok
CPU Power Fault | 0x01 | ok
FAN MOD 1A RPM | 7350 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 1B RPM | 7275 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 1C RPM | 4575 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 1D RPM | 4425 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 2A RPM | 7500 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 2B RPM | 7350 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 2C RPM | 4725 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 2D RPM | 4500 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 3A RPM | 7800 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 3B RPM | 7350 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 3C RPM | 4800 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 3D RPM | 4875 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 4A RPM | 7500 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 4B RPM | 7875 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 4C RPM | 4800 RPM | ok
FAN MOD 4D RPM | 4800 RPM | ok
Presence | 0x01 | ok
Presence | 0x01 | ok
Presence | 0x01 | ok
Presence | 0x02 | ok
Presence | 0x01 | ok
Presence | 0x01 | ok
DRAC5 Conn 2 Cbl | Not Readable | ns
PFault Fail Safe | Not Readable | ns
Status | 0x80 | ok
Status | 0x80 | ok
Status | 0x01 | ok
Status | Not Readable | ns
Status | 0x01 | ok
RAC Status | 0x00 | ok
OS Watchdog | 0x00 | ok
SEL | Not Readable | ns
Intrusion| 0x00 | ok
PS Redundancy| Not Readable | ns
Fan Redundancy | 0x01 | ok
CPU Temp Interf | Not Readable | ns
Drive| 0x01 | ok
Cable SAS A | 0x01 | ok
Current 1| disabled | ns
Current 2| disabled | ns
Voltage 1| disabled
RE: Poweredge 1950 IPMI
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy Christianson Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:35 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Poweredge 1950 IPMI A while back I posted about reading the CPU temperature on a Dell Poweredge 1950. The proposed solution was to use ipmitool to read the temperature from the IPMI controller. This gives me a lot of readings, including ambient temperature, but it does not give me the temperature of the CPUs. It says disabled for the top four readings, which should be the CPU readings. After doing some research online, I found a possible alternate solution of using coretemp. There was a thread that said that the Xeon dual-core CPUs supported that. After checking the output of cpuid, I have confirmed that these CPUs definitely do not support coretemp. Here's the cpuid table (eax in 6 is for thermal monitoring capability --it's all 0s): eax ineax ebx ecx edx 0006 756e6547 6c65746e 49656e69 0001 0f64 04040800 e4bd bfebfbff 0002 605b5001 007d7040 0003 0004 0005 0040 0040 0006 8000 8008 8001 0001 20100800 8002 20202020 20202020 20202020 20202020 8003 6e492020 286c6574 58202952 286e6f65 8004 20294d54 20555043 30302e33 007a4847 8005 8006 08006040 8007 8008 3024 Here's the output from ipmitool: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/achristianson]# ipmitool sdr Temp | disabled | ns Temp | disabled | ns Temp | disabled | ns Temp | disabled | ns Ambient Temp | 24 degrees C | ok CMOS Battery | 0x00 | ok ROMB Battery | Not Readable | ns VCORE| 0x01 | ok VCORE| 0x01 | ok CPU VTT | 0x01 | ok 1.5V PG | 0x01 | ok 1.8V PG | 0x01 | ok 3.3V PG | 0x01 | ok 5V PG| 0x01 | ok 1.5V PXH PG | 0x01 | ok 5V Riser PG | 0x01 | ok Backplane PG | 0x01 | ok Linear PG| 0x01 | ok 0.9V PG | 0x01 | ok 0.9V Over Volt | 0x01 | ok CPU Power Fault | 0x01 | ok FAN MOD 1A RPM | 7350 RPM | ok FAN MOD 1B RPM | 7275 RPM | ok FAN MOD 1C RPM | 4575 RPM | ok FAN MOD 1D RPM | 4425 RPM | ok FAN MOD 2A RPM | 7500 RPM | ok FAN MOD 2B RPM | 7350 RPM | ok FAN MOD 2C RPM | 4725 RPM | ok FAN MOD 2D RPM | 4500 RPM | ok FAN MOD 3A RPM | 7800 RPM | ok FAN MOD 3B RPM | 7350 RPM | ok FAN MOD 3C RPM | 4800 RPM | ok FAN MOD 3D RPM | 4875 RPM | ok FAN MOD 4A RPM | 7500 RPM | ok FAN MOD 4B RPM | 7875 RPM | ok FAN MOD 4C RPM | 4800 RPM | ok FAN MOD 4D RPM | 4800 RPM | ok Presence | 0x01 | ok Presence | 0x01 | ok Presence | 0x01 | ok Presence | 0x02 | ok Presence | 0x01 | ok Presence | 0x01 | ok DRAC5 Conn 2 Cbl | Not Readable | ns PFault Fail Safe | Not Readable | ns Status | 0x80 | ok Status | 0x80 | ok Status | 0x01 | ok Status | Not Readable | ns Status | 0x01 | ok RAC Status | 0x00 | ok OS Watchdog | 0x00 | ok SEL | Not Readable | ns Intrusion| 0x00 | ok PS Redundancy| Not Readable | ns Fan Redundancy | 0x01 | ok CPU Temp Interf | Not Readable | ns Drive| 0x01 | ok Cable SAS A | 0x01 | ok Current 1| disabled | ns Current 2| disabled | ns Voltage 1| disabled | ns Voltage 2| disabled | ns System Level | disabled | ns Power Optimized | Not Readable | ns ECC Corr Err | Not Readable | ns ECC Uncorr Err | Not Readable | ns I/O Channel Chk | Not Readable | ns PCI Parity Err | Not Readable | ns PCI System Err | Not Readable | ns SBE Log Disabled | Not Readable | ns Logging Disabled | Not Readable | ns Unknown | 0xc0 | ok CPU Protocol Err | Not
RE: finding BSD Unix users
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:11 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: finding BSD Unix users So . . . does anyone here have any suggestions for how I might go about finding BSD Unix users somewhat local to me? Since there isn't a group already that I can find, I wonder if there are enough people interested in such a thing in this area to build a users group. Any suggestions for how to go about finding fellow BSD Unix users in my area would be appreciated, I'm sure. A house with a big back deck, a big grill with a full propane tank, and a large cooler full of ice and beer will go a long, long way towards finding fellow BSD Unix users. Put an advert on the bulletin board of your local community college and start your own group. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:27 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping I gave port 80 as an example but I need this configuration for limiting other services as well. If you have a 100mbps connection and only one client, you want him to only use 50kbps, not the full pipe. If you have 200 clients, they still get 50kbps each. Is this feature that I need so complicated that it can't be implemented easily into FreeBSD or is it that not many people need it ? It sounds quite useful to me :) It isn't that it's complicated or cannot be implemented easily. It is that it's impossible to limit INCOMING bandwidth from the Internet. The vast majority of people out there have asymmetrical bandwidth limiting needs - that is, they have a pipe to the Internet and have a lot more data coming from the Internet to them, than data going from them to the Internet. Their desire is to somehow make it so that certain kinds of incoming data meeting certain criteria are limited. Their problem is that since they don't have control of the end sending the data to them, they can't do this. The fewer number of people not in this boat are quite often looking to run bandwidth restrictions on private T1s - and the routers needed for these kinds of circuits usually have limiting code built in. Since they have control of both ends of the pipe they can use the limit code. And the people not falling into these groups are mostly website hosters looking to restrict outbound bandwidth - and for that, they use an apache mod file (bandwidth_mod, http://www.ivn.cl/apache/ for example) that works much better. In short, the bandwidth limiting code really has little practical value when implemented in FreeBSD that is why few do it. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:22 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping I think you guys went a bit on a tangent here. What I am trying to do is limit the outbound bandwidth of my services and this should be perfectly possible as I control the output. Considering you didn't say that in your original post I don't see why your complaining about a tangent. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:38 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping I can now confirm that these two commands do exactly what I mentioned originally. All outbound connections towards any host port 80 will have a maximum bandwidth of 100Kbit/s individually ( output ) ipfw pipe 2 config mask all bw 100Kbit/s ipfw add 10 pipe 2 tcp from localip to any 80 Problem solved :) Are you sure about this? If your serving webpages, your listening on port 80 The tcp initiator uses a source port randomly chosen above 80 and a destination port on your host of 80 Your host responds with traffic with a source port of 80 and a destination port of the initiator's choosing. You don't want to limit destination port 80 traffic since your not sending it. I would suggest after deployment that you carefully look at your access lists and keep an eye on your utilization graphs to make sure it's doing what you think it's supposed to be doing. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:51 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping As far as I know, every carrier bills by 95th percentile. You better call your carrier and confirm this. The last carrier we had in that did this did in fact NOT bill by peak, they billed by average. However, the contract language SEEMED to say peak. We were naturally concerned about this after the first month due to our graphs indicating that we had exceeded the peak. However, the carrier (ATT) did not bill a surcharge. After that we regularly peaked over the designated MBs during the contract term with no billing surcharge. The last 2 months of the contract we got nailed with very high surcharge fees for the last 2 month use period. Needless to say we did not renew the contract and the matter is in litigation now. We never got a satisfactory answer from anyone there as to what calculation they used to determine how the surcharge was calculated. Of course it was our dumb fault. In the future if we ever sign any of those bandwidth contracts again we will require the carrier to supply in the contract the mathematical formula they use to calculate whether or not a surcharge applies. We will then read the formula and determine for ourself whether it means peak or average. This particular server is colocated and the bandwidth average is 2.35mbps while the 95th is 3.7mbps. I don't want my clients to have to compete for bandwidth - if 1000 users share a 3mbps fixed pipe, they will each get 3k/sec -. Rather I want to guarantee a fixed output for each client. This ensures adequate speed for everyone AND flattens out my peaks. Except that during the vallys of your utilization your clients will be limited as well - meaning that if for example your bandwidth from 2-3am is only .5Mbps, 3Mbps would be available - and if one of your clients happened to want to use 3Mps, his transfer will be pushed forward out of the 2-3am time period and into the 2-8am period. Meanwhile your carrier gets away scott-free because they didn't have to supply you with the 3.5Mbs during the night, even though you were entitled to it. Anyway, I'm sure your going to do what you feel like and damn the advice everyone is giving - hopefully it works out for you. I personally think these kinds of contracts are devices to make the carrier a windfall they don't deserve, and I hope that you manage to beat the contract and extract your last available byte without penalty - because the more people that manage to do this the less lurative these dumb contracts will be and the less incentive the carriers will have to offer them - but I think in your case your up against a telco who has a lot of experience screwing over customers, and they will find out some way to apply the surcharge no matter what you do. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping
-Original Message- From: Giorgos Keramidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:45 AM To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Traffic Shaping On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:30:44 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The vast majority of people out there have asymmetrical bandwidth limiting needs - that is, they have a pipe to the Internet and have a lot more data coming from the Internet to them, than data going from them to the Internet. Their desire is to somehow make it so that certain kinds of incoming data meeting certain criteria are limited. Their problem is that since they don't have control of the end sending the data to them, they can't do this. but you ROUGHLY can do this with ipfw. by limiting at your end - the other end will slow down. Unless the sending endpoint just ignores your limited incoming pipe characteristics and keeps flooding you with DNS or ICMP requests, until you scream for help. It's not just that. It's also stuff like kazza, and theres this shareware downloader out there I forget the name of which opens multiple connections to multiple sites, which also will not be limited. Oh and I also forgot online games too, some will ignore the limiters. (it's been my observation, that is) And, things like incoming e-mail spammers, the spam handshakes that their spam networks send are too short, and will come in full-bore. The other problem is that because the limiting works by delaying traffic so that the tcp sliding window is exceeded, if the sender and recipient put up large enough tcp receive windows they should be able to defeat it. This used to be standard advice for windows 2K and under as the registry could be modded to change those parameters. (since the defaults were too small for the Internet) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x)
-Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:46 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Walker; Kent Hauser; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 02:09:22PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walker Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:37 AM To: Kent Hauser; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x) I would like to know of any other easier ways to do this. Any network admin worth his salt has an old win98 system tucked away that can be used to create bootable dos cd's. Don't know much about the value of salt, but the old Win 98 machine I have around has a dead CD and dead floppy as well. Guess they are replaceable, but is it worth money and bother? You must think so at some level or you would have tossed them ;-) Of course it's not worth fixing them unless you need the system - but you never know what the future holds. I actually have 2 w98 systems running here at the house. Both are used by the kids and run an assortment of kids game software that I pick up for a few bucks from the local Goodwill. Right now the youngest's favorite software is petz 4, it's a virtual dog, and the older's is surfing the starwars.com site. (needless to say, it's done through a FreeBSD proxy server that limits the machine to a very strict number of sites) Runs as well as it did a decade ago when it was written. I just don't personally see the point of dropping a grand into a computer and shiny new software for it when the primary and secondary users are under 10 years old and are perfectly happy with older programs. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many like that sitting around. Believe it or not we just had an adult bring in a w98 system into the ISP today to get it online. And we even had an old 33.6 external modem that we just gave her for it. She lives in the sticks and has zero broadband alternatives (except for satellite which is too expensive for her) and is behind multiple D/A conversions on her phone line, so 28.8K dialup is what she runs. It's pretty incredible what's still in production out there. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x)
-Original Message- From: Kent Hauser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:49 PM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; Walker; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x) You comments got me to thinking, I have tossed all my old PC/AT, W98, etc systems a while back (along with my old Foghat 8-tracks -- yes I cruised to Fool for the City on 8-track), but I still had a W98SE boot CD -- and amazingly enough it worked. And it recognized my flash drive as B: no problem. So step 1 complete. Now I seem to have run up against a FreeBSD 7.x ACPI bug. Now that WOL is turned on, if I halt -p, I get the HUB LED to come back on -- but I can't wake the machine. However, if I pull the power on the box plug it back in, I can WOL the machine fine. Everything is fine when booted in XP. Any thoughts on this one? I assumed you checked to see if there's a firmware update for your card and if so, applied it? Here is what I would do if I was in your shoes. First I would file a PR and make it as complete as possible. Second I would explore using different model network cards if you have the slots for them. Life is too short to wait around for the developers to fix a driver bug. As much as I am pro FreeBSD even I've been bit by network adapter driver bugs, and been forced to disable or abandon NICs that worked nicely under Windows in a system. And, having a stable network adapter is in my opinion pretty much a requirement for a FreeBSD system. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Hauser Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:44 AM To: Walker Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW; I have two 7.0-RELEASE boxes with single (on board) and dual (pro/1000) em NICs. WOL works fine on both. The link light must be on after FreeBSD shuts down for WOL to work. You might try using the latest proboot.exe from Intel which allows you to update the NIC firmware and change its settings. There might be FreeBSD sysctl knobs that might help as well. Thanks for the pointer. I tried the proboot.exe utilities, but the must run in a dos environment -- not under an XP command window. Is there an easier way? I'm not sure how I'm going to get my machine booted into DOS Go to any win98 system and open a command window then type format a: /s to create a bootable DOS floppy. There are bootable cd rom dos images on the net if your system doesen't have a floppy. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walker Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:37 AM To: Kent Hauser; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wake-on-LAN and the em driver (freebsd 7.x) I would like to know of any other easier ways to do this. Any network admin worth his salt has an old win98 system tucked away that can be used to create bootable dos cd's. And if your really a wizard you have a windows for workgroups 3.11 system tucked away as there are devices (notably HP JetDirect print servers) that can only be firmware-updated from that platform, plus you have a genuine DOS system with an EGA card and monitor in inventory, like I do. ;-) I'm sure one of these days I'll need it for something... The ultimate guru's of course, have in addition to this, a trash-80, an Apple II, a Commodore PET, and a VAX 11/70 plus the 3-phase power to run it - and still remember how to boot all of them Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reconditioned Laptop advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dhaneshk k Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:50 PM To: Wojciech Puchar; Predrag Punosevac Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Reconditioned Laptop advice People : I want to bu a laptop , for the time being I can't go for a high end machine like hp8510b or like those But I found in internet , about IBM Thinkpad T40 Reconditioned : So I want people's valuable advice on Reconditioned machine ;is it safe to have this machine , I want to use FreeBSD on this machine , what about the reliability of Reconditioned machines ?: your advices may help me to take a good decision on my purchase. Do yourself a favor and as soon as you obtain your laptop, go out and buy a brand new hard disk drive for it. Not only will you get a disk that is faster and larger, it will be much more reliable than a ratty old hard drive that's probably been bumped and jostled around a lot. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: fault tolerance with FreeBSD for old DOS app
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of B. Bonev Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fault tolerance with FreeBSD for old DOS app - Original Message - From: Brian A. Seklecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: B. Bonev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: Re: fault tolerance with FreeBSD for old DOS app On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 19:36 +0200, B. Bonev wrote: I want advice for old DOS app on Windows PC, that I need to make on 2 PC-s fault tolerant. Any advice for working solution on FreeBSD? Yep...rewrite the database in SQL with a PHP front end. Import the data from the old system. Use a Radware/F5 Load Balancer for the web and Slony-I for the database replication. Welcome to 2008. It is a accounting program, and will be too much efford for nothing. And I'm not a programmer. I 'm thinking for something like heartbeat, or realtime replication server - 2 identical machines, and when one of them break, staff to continue their work, without too much trouble... You really want to be careful about using FreeBSD+Samba here. Dos/Lanmanager/Windows networking provides a very rich set of network file locking calls, something like 20 or so. Not all directly map to the UNIX filesystem. There are also vendor-specific stuff like Btrieve that UNIX has never heard of. If this old DOS app uses temp lock files in the directory the data files are located in, you probably will be fine. But if it uses some of the esoteric DOS file locking calls you may find that when you move the accounting database off whatever Novell or Windows NT or IBM Lanmanger server that it is currently on, that suddenly you will find users bitching because some of them cannot get into the accounting program. And when the nightly update is run, you may find the accounts having wrong dollar amounts in them. If your DOS app runs fine in a DOS window on Windows XP your smartest thing you can do is right now, before Microsoft forces everyone to stop selling XP, run out and forklift-replace -all- of the clients with new XP systems. And make your CFO understand that they better start saving their money up because in another 5 years or so, when those XP systems start dying off, that it will be the end of being able to use the accounting program. With these DOS apps the server is actually unimportant. You can easily find an old Mylex SCSI RAID-5 controller and a pile of 10,000 RPM ultra SCSI disks out there that will give you all the redundancy you need - run Windows 2K Server or 2003 Server on that and you will have a bulletproof server. All of the horsepower in the application is actually being done on the clients, and it is very easy for a client that has a hardware fault - like for example a failing network adapter card - to write garbage into the accounting database ans scotch it for everyone. Stuff like this is why people are abandoning those old DOS accounting programs right and left. Like the other poster said, start shopping for a new MySQL-based with PHP front end accounting package. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RAID on HP ML110 G5
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tomasz dereszynski Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:17 PM To: Tom Munro Glass Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID on HP ML110 G5 Tom Munro Glass wrote: I would like to run FreeBSD 7 on a HP ML110 G5. I understand from past posts to this list that the ML110 series is FreeBSD friendly, but what about RAID 1 using the on-board SATA controller? Will this work and how do you set this up? Regards Tom Munro Glass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i would recommend to build RAID1 using gmirror instead as then you can use smartd to monitor drives what isnt possible (AFAIK) with hardware RAID on those boxes. Untrue. Those boxes use regular sata raid chipsets that are supported by the ata driver and are easily monitored. Note that the hardware raid on those boxes - being sata raid - isn't a true hardware raid. The only true sata hardware raid under FreeBSD that I know of are the 3ware and hipoint cards Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RAID on HP ML110 G5
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nejc Škoberne Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 AM To: Tom Munro Glass Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: RAID on HP ML110 G5 Hey Tom, I would like to run FreeBSD 7 on a HP ML110 G5. I understand from past posts to this list that the ML110 series is FreeBSD friendly, but what about RAID 1 using the on-board SATA controller? Will this work and how do you set this up? I have just configured a ML110G5 with FreeBSD 7 a few days ago. If you try to make a BIOS RAID (create an array in RAID controller BIOS), then FreeBSD won't recognize it as it does not understand the metadata format which controller BIOS uses to manage the arrays. What you have to do is (having RAID mode in BIOS still enabled) boot the server with FreeBSD 7 CD and then go to Fixit utility. There you can create hardware (see previous posts about this being hardware RAID) RAID with atacontrol utility. This way, FreeBSD will use its own metadata format for the array and will recognize such arrays as arX devices. Restarting the box you can then install FreeBSD easily on these arX devices like on normal adX or daX devices. So remember, this is not the real FreeBSD software RAID since it is not controlled by FreeBSD kernel but by the SATA/RAID controller. For example, I have 4 drives and I created RAID-0 (stripes) with atacontrol and will merge them (in a few days) into a RAID-1 gmirror. I think if you set the BIOS control to RAID OFF it will work the same way. The RAID-specific stuff in the BIOS only is used for generating the array and rebuilding it. Once the system is up and running the BIOS code isn't executed and it makes no difference what the setting is. In fact, in the HP DL 320 G5 you MUST set the SATA bios OFF or FreeBSD won't even recognize the SATA controller at all. I have also used this same trick with systems that had no RAID in their BIOS at all but happened to have a RAID-compliant chipset. For example a number of the older Promise UDMA controllers do not have a BIOS on them but the ata driver will allow you to create a pseudo-hardware RAID array anyway. Naturally, you can only do mirroring or striping. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mac osX drivers
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Da Rock Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:26 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Mac osX drivers I know I keep asking about drivers, but what about Mac drivers? I understand that Mac osX is based fairly well on BSD, so would the drivers be portable? MacOS X itself is not portable, it only runs on Apple hardware, for which it contains all needed drivers. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Laptop advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:48 PM To: Derek Ragona Cc: Joe Demeny; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop advice On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support. You may want to look at Lenovo's too. In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X. In laptops you want to look at everything. If one of the chipset is not supported or badly you cannot like on a desktop change a component by an another. You want to go here http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html and search if every component of you laptop is supported. Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs that use different names than industry standard for the components, so it is difficult to figure this out in advance. What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go visit a computer vendor that has display models. Do not order a laptop online. Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting fbsd on each of the display models. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone have Comcast for an ISP?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:33 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone have Comcast for an ISP? Does anyone on here have comcast for an ISP? I use them and today I was messing around on a machine I use for FTP service over my LAN (Not accessible from the net so I'm not worried about using it for back ups) and anyway, I wanted to set up one of my comcast accounts on it so I could do as I've done for years, and use SSH to log into that machine and use fetchmail to grab my email off comcast, and then use Mutt to check it since I really like Mutt. Well, I got sendmail up ad tested that it was working and it was working fine. After that I tried sending a test email with Mutt. For some reason ti failed even though it was the backed up copy of my Muttrc that I used to use on EVERY machine I used mutt on. I always backed it up because I had it looking really nice with colors and also my email address was in there and I built in a mini addy book for my friends and mailing lists I'm on so I didn't have to worry about an address book being deleted by accident. Well, it failed horribly. I can't send an email because it's blocked, and also, using fetchmail isn't exactly working either and I can't stand how getmailrc works So does anyone here use Comcast and Mutt for an email client that could maybe reply and let me know how they do it? Id' like to use Mutt and also I do like how simple fetchmail is to use, so fi you use these and have Comcast for internet please reply with how you did it. I'm googling right now but everything I find isn't exactly helpful, so if anyone here uses Mutt and has Comcast please let me know how you did it. What you have available in the e-mail realm when you are on the Comcast network: For e-mail CLIENTS you may retrieve mail via the standard IMAP or POP3 ports from a remote non-comcast mailserver. For e-mail CLIENTS you may send mail through a remote non-comcast mailserver using the submission port 587 and authenticated SMTP. For e-mail SERVERS you can use fetchmail to pretend the server is a mail client, then redistribute the mail internally. However you cannot use sendmail to send out outgoing mail to port 25 on remote mailservers - unless it's to the comcast mailserver. Comcast's residential TOS prohibits servers and they enforce this by blocking incoming traffic going to SMTP, IMAP and POP3 ports. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Realtek 811B LAN card on FreeBSD 7.0
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Mars Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:51 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Realtek 811B LAN card on FreeBSD 7.0 A few months ago, I posted asking about how good support the Realtek 8111B PCI Express LAN chipset is. The conclusion was that its behavior was rather flaky on FreeBSD 7.0 Anyway, I got the motherboard with the chip integrated because the MOBO otherwise did what I needed. After installation of FreeBSD/i386 the chip was detected and the re driver attached but DHCP configuration wouldn't work. After searching on the internet, I found some patches at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-amd64/2007-December/010545.html http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/re/if_re.c http://people.freebsd.org/%7Eyongari/re/if_re.c http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/re/if_rlreg.h http://people.freebsd.org/%7Eyongari/re/if_rlreg.h and applied them. After rebuilding the kernel, everything worked. Shortly after I decided I was going to run the FreeBSD/amd64 version instead. I had not kept the patches that worked on i386, so I downloaded from the same URL again. However, this time, applying the patch resulted in no change: DHCP configuration still wouldn't work. Now, I'm not sure what variable is responsible for this, the change to amd64 or whether there was another version of the patch. Interestingly, in the thread where I found those links, people were running amd64 and had their problems resolved. I noticed that the version of if_re.c file was 107 the second time whereas the post said it was 101. I'm guessing the file was updated at the URL and this resulted in a regression. The problem is, I'm not in a position to say exactly which version worked. Is there anyone on the list close to this work and would have an idea of what happened? I am currently using a PCI lan card that works with the rl driver but it would be nice to have the integrated chip work too. This sad story is an excellent example of why patches like this need to be run through the standard development using the PR system, not someone's personal website. If they had been you could use cvs to see what was changed. E-mail the person who created the patches. If your lucky he can help you. And for God's sake, once you get a running system, submit a PR with the patches if the person who created them isn't willing to do so. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Replacing Windows with FreeBSD (was: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nejc Škoberne Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:51 AM To: User Questions Subject: Replacing Windows with FreeBSD (was: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...) Sorry, but OpenOffice is more featureless than MS Office 2007. There are things which you can do with MS Office so MUCH easily than with OpenOffice. For feature comparison see: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=480 Not to mention performance issues with OpenOffice: http://www.openoffice.org/product/docs/ms2007vsooo2.pdf The interface in Office 2007 is completely different than Office 2003 and most people in business that I know are not running Office 2007 and have no plans to upgrade. Even when they buy brand new systems. Office 2003 runs great on Vista so why change? Since the interface is different, any business that does change is going to suffer a huge cut in productivity for a long time while their accountants and secretaries and such all retrain. The reports of Office 2007 sales are grossly inflated because most businesses are on a yearly Microsoft site license that they pay a lot to maintain, and that license gives them free upgrades to the new software - so after MS released Office 2007 every time a business anniversary renewal came up MS counted those as sales, even though for most companies don't load the new Office. The reason a lot of companies are looking at OpenOffice right now is they are looking into dropping MS Office completely from their site licenses due to the cost savings. Since OpenOffice is compatible with all their Office 2003 Word and Excel documents it's a good time to look at switching. want to use things nicely. For example, let's look at the mail system. You could put a Postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin+Horde+postfixadmin+ ... bla bla stuff on your FreeBSD server (I actually run this on many servers). But in that webmail, you are not able to manage your spam quarantine for example - you have to logout of Horde and login to Maia Mailguard (before you have to install that too), which is complicated for users. Not true. All you need do is install spamassassin, and have it tag mail and forward it to the user. Then setup procmail as the LDA and sort the tagged mail into a SPAM folder in the users home directory. From IMP or OpenWebmail you have access to local mail folders on the server and you just instruct your users that the SPAM folder is their quarentine. Microsoft usually (!) provides that (naturally, because it produces all those pieces). Microsoft does no more integration than most others. For an example of a really integrated product look at Lotus Notes. But, most users dislike it because it puts a huge amount of control over their work into the hands of the company. You don't walk into a Notes shop and see the adminstrative assistants working on e-mails to their boyfriends, the way that you do in a MS Office shop. Probably you use it more than I do, I really run FreeBSD servers mostly. And I have problems with providing nice-packaged, easy-to-use, all-in-one software to users who are used to that. I use FreeBSD/OS mostly because it is free of charge and because it is quite costumisable. If MS products would be free of charge, I would probably switch to them in most cases. Never gonna happen. There's a fundamental difference here between free open source and commercial software. Commercial software mostly caters to what subgroups of users within the market want. Take MS Word for example. Most people never use more than a 10th of it's features. But, most people don't all use the same 10th. In order to keep selling Word, MS has to put all these small fringe demands of the subgroups into Word. Open source mostly caters to what the majority of users agree is needed. That is why you won't ever find an open source package that is all things to all people. If your a user who has all your needs met it's a great thing. But if your a user who has one specific need that the open source packages don't have, then even though all of the rest of your needs could be met by open source, you likely will not switch over. I just don't agree with the statement, that Windows servers are completely inferior to FreeBSD and you could replace all of them with FreeBSD boxen. If that would be possible, I would do it already. I really am a FreeBSD guy, I run it for more than 6 years now and I like it a lot. But I learned to be reasonable and not to say that it is in every way superior to everything else in the world. Nothing out there is in every way superior to everything else in the world. Even Microsoft software, you said it yourself, simply has nothing to offer to people who don't have much more money than what it costs to purchase the computer hardware itself. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
RE: Jittery PS/2 Mouse in 7.0-RELEASE
I believe if you run the mouse daemon and use /dev/sysmouse in xorg it will work a lot better. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alexander Dunn Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:12 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Jittery PS/2 Mouse in 7.0-RELEASE I have a PS/2, wired, optical mouse that I have been using flawlessly with Windows and several Linux distributions for years now. I would like to switch to Free BSD, but the mouse becomes very jittery within FreeBSD. I have tried the mouse with both moused and X controlling the mouse, but in both cases the result is the same. The cursor on the screen tracks properly when I move my mouse in a wide arc, but when I move the mouse in small increments the cursor does not follow the mouse at all. This makes it very difficult to click on small targets such as an OK button. Relevant Information: uname -a output: FreeBSD kienjakenobi 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #3: Sun Mar 16 15:45:08 EDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 dmesg mouse output: psm0: PS/2 Mouse irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol PS/2 Option Device /dev/psm0 Option Emulate3Buttons no Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection This does not seem to be a problem with X for several reasons. First, I use this version of X.org with Linux with the same config that is shown above without this problem. Second, when I give control of the mouse over to moused, the problem does not change. It is visible even in the console when using moused. I am using a custom kernel, but this problem does not change even when I am using the GENERIC kernel. Based on this information I think I have crossed out most potentional porblem locations, but I hope I missed something. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: USB printer
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Robey Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:44 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Predrag Punosevac; FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Gligor Lucian Subject: Re: USB printer -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: If your not a right-clicker or an i-book flipper than it's understandable you would wonder why there's so much attention paid to CUPS for FreeBSD since it does nothing for the usual command line junkie. There's where you state it hasn't any cli usages No, you misread that. It does nothing other than what you already get with the base OS. That is, -lpr/lpd, +cups = no advantage, ie: nothing. Sorry, I hate to differ, but even on my Mac OSX with dual PPC processors, I use lpr all the time, and I use ssh (hostname) lpr filetoprint from FreeBSD to my mac, it works just fine, and the Mac is running Cups. It does too do stuff for command line people, it's just that no one installing cups on FreeBSD has done anything to get that definitely established part of Cups working right. However, that definitely established part of CUPS duplicates lpr/lpd functionality, so it's a big waste of time to bother with installing it under FreeBSD and ripping out the existing lpr/lpd if all your going to do is use the same /etc/printcap config file and same filters that you would use under lpr/lpd. And here you forget what you said, and claim the cups is just stupid to use under CLI It IS stupid to use under CLI if all your going to be doing is using the same /etc/printcap config file and same filters that you would use under lpr/lpd. Are you a specialist now in ripping out sound bites and ignoring the rest of the paragraph? (no backoff from your FUD above, though). Our own printer system DOES NOTHING whatever for remote administration, nor organization of drovers, nor ability to print different type sources, nor the added security options. Eh? ssh into the print server and you can administer all you want. Organization of drivers? What drivers? Why do you need drivers? Oh I forgot, your too busy dropping $800 in superfast hardware to image pages for your $99 printer you got free with a coupon, and prints about 25 pages before the ink cartridge is empty. The real usefulness of CUPS is under a GUI, particularly married with a GUI configuration interface. For example you didn't install your printers under MacOS X by hand-editing the CUPS configuration files under MacOS X, you used the GUI configurator in System Properties, which interfaces with CUPS. That's why Apple had to license CUPS after all, because they modified it under MacOS X to allow the Aqua GUI to interface to it, and they didn't want to release the mods they made to it into the wild. In fact, if you compile ghostscript and compile the foomatic software under MacOS X, you can download, compile and using the Aqua GUI configurator interface to CUPS, install a gigantic number of printer drivers under MacOS X. With little trouble, you can (and I did) integrate all the foomatic stuff under MacOS, without recompiling. In the FreeBSD world the usual command-line junkies do the Right Thing and go buy a Postscript printer. And that also is FUD. A long time, I think about 20 years back, before I knew better, I did exactly that. It turns out that postscript printers run about 10 times more slowly than using ghostscript on your system and only sending the native image to the printer absolutely wrong. Only if you have a really cheap, old Postscript interpreter such as like the HP III with the add-in Postscript card, stacked against a 3Ghz PC tied to a winprinter with USB2 will you see this. Otherwise, you take the more common elderly 500Mhz CPU Win98 system that's been retired to a FreeBSD system and tie it to your winprinter and try imaging anything complex on it, and the PC will take far longer to image it than going Postscript to a decent printer like an HP5 (which are cheap as dirt on the used market) And this is just image printing - text is a whole different ballgame, it's far faster going Postscript to the printer if your printing multiple pages because your uploading the fonts and then following with just a text stream, your not imaging page after page. All of this of course sidesteps the discussion of what your considering is a high-end Postscript printer and what your printing with it and how much your printing. , so using cups is both far, far more cheap CUPS Ghostscript. gs and all the foomatic stuff runs just fine with LPR/LPD, no CUPS needed. (postscript printers being uniformly more expensive) Any decent workgroup laserjet will cost far less per-page than an inkjet, even going color, these days. Your talking false economy here - sure you may buy a color inkjet for $99 vs a color laser for $400 but print 500
RE: FW: VMWare Tools for FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Sposato Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:04 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: VMWare Tools for FreeBSD SNIP Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Are you asking if FreeBSD can be made to run the ESX software so that a FreeBSD server can virtualize multiple systems, or are you asking if an ESX server can create a virtual machine that FreeBSD can run in? If your using the commercial ESX product I would assume you would be using it on it's own bare metal product incarnation which I think uses a hacked-up version of Linux (without a compiler or any other normal Linux tools). In that case I do not see why you would have a problem running multiple FreeBSD virtual servers on the ESX server. That's not what OP is asking. He wants to run FreeBSD as VM in ESX. There's currently no support from VMWare for FreeBSD, but it runs anyway. I figured that was what he was asking, but we should probably hear from him to make sure that this is really what he was asking. Unfortunately, the original post was either from someone who didn't use English as their native language, or they are paying for their Internet connection by-the-byte and were trying to make the question as short as possible, as a result, the entire meaning of the post was lost. Ted OK, maybe I was not clear enough so I will try again. I want to run FreeBSD as a VM Guest on a VMWare ESX Server. Currently there is no problem with it and it works fine. The problems arise when you want to take advantage of the HA ability of ESX Server, as it only supports Virtual Machines with the VM Tools running. So what I am asking is if someone has ever though about porting the VMWare Tools to run in a FreeBSD Virtual Machine image. Terry, Jeff Dickens replied this morning - perhaps his mail crossed yours? The answer is yes, you can do it with the free vm tools from the free vmware product. If you have problems compiling these, please post. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VMWare Tools for FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Dickens Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:17 AM To: Terry Sposato; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: VMWare Tools for FreeBSD I use the vmware tools for freebsd from the free vmware server product for my esx-hoster freebsd servers. Did you have to do anything special to build and install them? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wireless AP FreeBSD 7.0
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam Fourman Jr. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:08 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Wireless AP FreeBSD 7.0 Hello, my question is Does FreeBSD 7.0 Have ALTQ and pf enabled by default? or do Ihave to compile that support in the kernel Here is the HOWTO I am following to setup a Small office Samba File Server / Wireless AP http://tun0.net/ascii/config/freebsd_access_point/howtoforge-freeb sd_wireless.html My only comment here is I would advise that you simply buy a commercial hardware access point as your wireless transmitter rather than a PCI or other card in a FreeBSD server. You can mount the transmitter and it's antenna on the ceiling, in the very best spot for broadcasting a radio signal to cover the entire area you want covered, and you will get maximum radiated power when the antenna you use is next to the access point, and has the shortest possible connecting cable to the access point itself. You then run ethernet from this to the server itself. More importantly, wireless is baloney networking, insofar as it is not reliable as wired ethernet cables. Your going to have disconnections, period. Espically when people come in with laptops with embedded antennas. If you combine the AP and the Samba server they are surely going to blame the server long before their crappy wireless cards in their peecees, and you don't want to tarnish FreeBSD and Samba with a bad rap. If you have a separate hardware AP it's a lot easier to convince them that the problem is inherent in the wireless networking itself, and has nothing to do with the server, when you can point to a separate box. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: USB printer
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Robey Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Predrag Punosevac; FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Gligor Lucian Subject: Re: USB printer -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Robey Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:24 AM To: Predrag Punosevac Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Gligor Lucian Subject: Re: USB printer Cups on FreeBSD is still woefully underdocumented, relying 100% on others sites, when the cups installation has been changed (somewhat) to agree with hier(7). I agree that needed to be done, and would have been complaining if it hadn't, but then there should have been some small notes detailing how to install a local driver. The problem here is that CUPS is really mostly useful if your using Gnome for your desktop, because there's a lot of GUI configuration software that is written for that desktop that makes CUPS configuration a snap. (and installing foomatic drivers and the like) If your not a right-clicker or an i-book flipper than it's understandable you would wonder why there's so much attention paid to CUPS for FreeBSD since it does nothing for the usual command line junkie. Sorry, I hate to differ, but even on my Mac OSX with dual PPC processors, I use lpr all the time, and I use ssh (hostname) lpr filetoprint from FreeBSD to my mac, it works just fine, and the Mac is running Cups. It does too do stuff for command line people, it's just that no one installing cups on FreeBSD has done anything to get that definitely established part of Cups working right. However, that definitely established part of CUPS duplicates lpr/lpd functionality, so it's a big waste of time to bother with installing it under FreeBSD and ripping out the existing lpr/lpd if all your going to do is use the same /etc/printcap config file and same filters that you would use under lpr/lpd. The real usefulness of CUPS is under a GUI, particularly married with a GUI configuration interface. For example you didn't install your printers under MacOS X by hand-editing the CUPS configuration files under MacOS X, you used the GUI configurator in System Properties, which interfaces with CUPS. That's why Apple had to license CUPS after all, because they modified it under MacOS X to allow the Aqua GUI to interface to it, and they didn't want to release the mods they made to it into the wild. In fact, if you compile ghostscript and compile the foomatic software under MacOS X, you can download, compile and using the Aqua GUI configurator interface to CUPS, install a gigantic number of printer drivers under MacOS X. In the FreeBSD world the usual command-line junkies do the Right Thing and go buy a Postscript printer. If you have one, all of the need for these rediculous winprinter filters goes away and then the only thing that CUPS really adds is the ability to speak IPP - and I've yet to come across a hardware printer server that spoke IPP that -didn't- speak LPD also. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Has anyone got the remote X-Win32 running?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag Punosevac Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:46 PM To: Brad Pitney Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Has anyone got the remote X-Win32 running? Brad Pitney wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Robert Chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the spots off everything I can find about getting X going, and I have it all up and running sort of. But only sort of. I have X-Win32 trialling on a laptop, and want to be able to connect to the Xserver - but I just can't seem to do it. To give you a run down. I have X working. I have KDE working. I have the /etc/ttys entry set to: ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon xterm on secure .. (I note that kdm is much prettier, and appears to work Just as well) I have the entry in xdm-config commented out. ! DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 /root/.xinitrc contains exec startkde Ok. Using 'xdm' , booting brings up an oversize font LOGIN -PASSWORD display. Very ugly. (kdm looks nicer, but I'm following the manual) xdm can look nice. Neither xdm or kdm, let me log in as root. I have to go Ctl+alt+F1 to get to the good old terminal window. Now, the main problem is .. Which is a real pain, as I do need to connect to this thing remotely. I can't connect from the remote laptop's X-Win32 program xterm emulator program. Has anyone managed to get any remote, xterm emulators going? And how so? you know, I'd recommend X over ssh, although I used Xming, there 's a package with it bundled with putty http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming even comes with pretty good documentation I am not sure if I understand original question. Do you want to have GUI access to your remote machine? 1. If you are in the LAN zone you can run X-server on your Windows machine (obviously Cygwin comes to mind and XOrg for it as well as other GNU tools) and run x-clients (applications on your remote box) via let say tftp (Trivial File Transfer Protocol) or much slower NFS. Read man pages for XOrg and tftp how to do that. 2. If you want to connect remotely on the insecure network you basically have two options a. ssh -Y (edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf file) since by default X log in is disabled. You have to have quite good machine to do this because of cryptography used by ssh and good internet connection. You again need to have OpenSSH on your Windows machine so Cygwin is must. b. You can run VNC server on your FreeBSD box and run VNC client on your Windows machine. ThightVNC comes to mind. I prefer SSVNC client for the client side because of cryptography but I am not sure if it available for Windows. Any how you can use TightVNC which does exits for Windows. c. You can run xrdp on the FreeBSD system, and connect to it from Microsoft Remote Desktop. xrdp basically allows you to run X windows programs on the server and it sends the screen output to the Remote Desktop client. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ARP(4) spoofing?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Modulok Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:29 AM To: Brent Jones Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ARP(4) spoofing? Would this be ARP(4) spoofing, or is it just me? How would I confirm it? arp: 192.168.1.1 is on lo0 but got reply from xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx on em1 This is on a FreeBSD router, em1 is Internet-facing. 192.168.1.1 (em0) is LAN facing and permanent entry in the arp cache. This happens constantly and is slowly filling my log files. What does an ifconfig -a on your machine show? It looks like you've configured your loopback interface to also have 192.168.1.1 [-]Modulok ifconfig -au inet em0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 em1: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU inet 66.x.x.x netmask 0xff80 broadcast 66.x.x.255 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 Just for fun, the entry in the arp cache: [-]Modulok arp -an | grep 192.168.1.1 ? (192.168.1.1) at (myEthernetAddress) on em0 permanent [ethernet] Concerning the arp(4) DIAGNOSTICS section (Just thinking aloud here:) Physical connections exist to the same logical IP network on both if0 and if1. Doubtful: LAN---em0[FreeBSD]em1---modem---Internet an entry already exists in the ARP cache ... and the cable has been disconnected from if0, then reconnected to if1. Nope. This message can only be issued if the sysctl net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface is set to 1 While I could set the relevant sysctl variable to prevent it from being logged, (which I'll probably end up doing) when strange things happen, I usually like to know about them. Disable the dynamic ARP cache on the external interface and make permanent entries to the ISP's gateway and DNS servers? Perhaps. However, in the event they ever change hardware (and fail to spoof their previous ethernet address), I'd have to manually edit the ARP cache...at 3:00am...on a Sunday. Plus these ARP replies, while annoying, are not really harming anything as FreeBSD's ARP appears to prevent address takeover via gratuitous, un-solicited, impersonating ARP replies. Come to think of it, that might be it. I haven't looked into whether or not these are replies triggered by requests from the local host (If only I knew a way to do such a thing.) Logic initially rejects the notion. As why would this box be sending out a gratuitous ARP request every 10 minutes through the wrong interface for the given address? You should have anti-spoofing firewall entries in any internet router, check your ipfw entries. I suspect the problem has to do with a misconfiguration of your nat, frankly. The error message itself: arp: X.X.X.X is on lo0 is nonsensical, because by definition the loopback (lo0) is not connected to any network. Under correct configuration, a loopback cannot receive an arp. The internal loopback address is exactly equivalent to a physical ethernet interface that has a loopback plug inserted into it. I suspect your nat config is overloading on the looback rather than on the physical interface. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wireless AP FreeBSD 7.0
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam Fourman Jr. Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:02 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Wireless AP FreeBSD 7.0 you don't want to tarnish FreeBSD and Samba with a bad rap. If you have a separate hardware AP it's a lot easier to convince them that the problem is inherent in the wireless networking itself, and has nothing to do with the server, when you can point to a separate box. Ted Ted, I very much agree with you, I just don't have much of a choice in the matter I am a consultant (New to BSD's) and the client has a Ralink RT2661 MIMO PCI card he has 5 wired computers via a linksys gigabit switch and 1 notebook(with no wired nic) It will cost your client more in labor to have you build this than buying a $40 access point. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
