Anyone Else Buy Powerlogix 1.0Ghz G3 From Alan Cottrill?
He placed a FS ad in the LEM Swap list on Apr. 25th, and has claimed that he shipped it three different times, with various excuses afterwards, except the latest--haven't heard from him in over a week, after the latest claim of shipping. Needless to say, I have not received the item, so I'm wondering if he sold it to more than one person. The middle excuse was that he was in the hospital, so it is possible that he's been re-hospitalized. But, he said he had shipped it, not that he would ship it, so if he wasn't lying, it should have arrived over a week ago. So, anyone else have any useful insight? Thanks, Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI agp 7500 mac or not
On May 31, 9:41 pm, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 31-05-2012 23:36, David W. Morris ha scritto: IIRC, his it's an AGP G4 450. I think the FireGL X3 would be overkill in a 450 MHz Mac. :-) But it couldn't hurt, right? I've seen the FireGL X3 cards on Ebay for ~ $25 each recently. And, according to the very long thread on the Strange Dogs forum, if you convert a FireGL, the digital DVI will work, because the FireGL card actually has the mumble chip (Silicon Image?) which the regular PC X800's lack. There's a lot to be said for having an X800 class card with two working DVI ports and no ADC port. That ADC port on Apple's video cards is a giant pain in the posterior. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?
On May 24, 11:41 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 24, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Dan wrote: Special characters don't propagate well. They were ok with AppleTalk, but not for dDNS. Stick with basic alphanumerics and dashes or underscores. dashes only. Yep. I experimented last night and rebooting and clearing the device list made no difference. The spaces and the apostrophes appear to have been a problem. But I also saw behaviour in which the device list truncated a device name at an apostrophe. So, instead of rejecting the device name and substituting unknonw-$MAC it used the name up to the apostrophe. However, there may be a character count limit and the treatment of that apostrophe could be coincidental. I also got my printers configured and corresponding network print drivers loaded on all the computer systems. That had been a little haphazard, plus I recently added a JetDirect card to the LJ2100 and hadn't had a chance to clean out the previous owner's settings. BTW, anyone ever seen Postscript drivers for the LJ2100 for Windows? Along the way I discovered (yes, I'm really behind on the migration to X thing) that OSX 10.5 doesn't announce itself as a file sharing server in any way that an OS9 machine can understand. Is that correct. What a pain. Sure there's the IP address workaround, but that is so counter to the way the Mac was designed to be used originally... Yes, yes, upgrade and the behaviour is more or less intuitive again, but really, how hard would it have been to have late OSX machines announce themselves to OS 9 machines? Or spend $10,000 and code up an extension to 9 that does Rendevour or Bonjour or whatever its called. Oh, well. Sigh. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?
On May 23, 11:32 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:25 AM -0700 5/23/2012, t...@io.com wrote: In the list of devices connected to my router and assigned IP addresses, everything shows up as I would expect, except a G4 MDD (10.4.11) and an 800 MHz G4 ILamp (10.2.8). For those two machines the router displays something like unknown_MAC address without the for the Device Name. In the Sharing system preferences, be sure you've set the machine name. The two problem machines have names like Eli's Computer or Diane's G4 MDD or some such. They've been set for years, because I use file sharing every so often. Hmmm. I can't remember, but I wonder if the apostrophes are in the names. That could be an issue. Then you'll need to get those machines off the network, and delete their entries in the router's dhcp table. That way when next the router sees the machines, they'll be registered under their proper names. There's an option on the router's DHCP table screen to reset the table or some such. It looks like it should remove everything that isn't currently connected -- and maybe remove and reassign everything that is. I tried entering the machine names into the optional DHCP name box (forgot exactly what it's called) in the System Prefs/Networking/ Ethernet/DHCP window, but that had no effect, other than, when I clicked Apply Now it caused the computer to release its current IP and obtain a new one. The DHCP name box is simply a keyword used to get a specific assignment from the DHCP server. In some DHCP servers, it overrides the entry keyed by the MAC. Thank you. Good to know. It looked like the only thing that was remotely applicable, given the circumstances. My old System 9.1 machine shows up in the router list under its machine name, even. It's just these two OSX Macs that don't. If the names were set properly - from the beginning - then the DHCP server must have glitched when it saw the machines originally. As mentioned above, all the machines already had File Sharing machine names when I configured and connected this router/DHCP server. Now that I'm at work and where I can test it, the only thing I can That first clause above should finish where I **can't** test it think of is that the two Macs in question have space characters in their machine names. Do routers reject machine names if they have spaces in them, or is something else going on here? Some do. Best to keep the name simple. dans-quicksilver for example. That way the name works properly with dns too. Thank you for the helpful information Dan. I will experiment tonight. I think I will first try shutting down the machines in question. Then remove their entries from the DHCP table. Then boot the machines back up. If that doesn't work, I'll try changing their names to something with no apostrophes. If that fails, then I'll change it to no spaces. I think that's a systematic test which should reveal the ultimate cause -- unless it fails to resolve the issue. :-) I also need to clean the gutters tonight, so if I'm too tired afterward for computer fun, it could be another day or two before I experiment... Completely off topic, I've found that tying a Mosquito Dunk http:// amzn.com/B0002568YA to the little cross bar in the gutter with a bit of kevlar string really seems to cut down on the mosquito population. One dunk for each independent section of gutter. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?
On May 23, 1:46 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:00 AM -0700 5/23/2012, Bruce Johnson wrote: This is good to know. Maybe I could get my Linksys router to show names instead of MAC addresses. It's quite useful, really. Most routers will propagate those names as part of their dDNS. No more remembering IPs! You can just ping dans-quicksilver etc. FWIW, here's the table from our Actiontec router:https://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Our%20DHCP%20Table.jpg Where your router uses Host Name for the heading of the first column, my router uses Device Name, but othewise basically the same as one would expect. If your router was doing what mine is, instead of dans-quicksilver, you'd have unknown_00:03:93:7d:fe:6e or something pretty close to that. Perhaps the colons replaced with underscores. I need to go home and experiment, but the thing that's bothering me at the moment, is that my poor memory remembers three boxes in the OSX DHCP panel or was that in the Sharing Panel. Anyway, there's a box with machine name that I've assigned for file sharing. Then there's a box with the sharing name, but all the spaces have been automagically converted to '-'s. And then there's that (formerly) empty DHCP name box. I would guess that the box with automatically modified name is the one that's supplied to the DHCP server, and that implies that the spaces are not the problem. But perhaps apostrophes are. Okay, enough thinking. I should leave this alone until I can experiment a bit more. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?
In the list of devices connected to my router and assigned IP addresses, everything shows up as I would expect, except a G4 MDD (10.4.11) and an 800 MHz G4 ILamp (10.2.8). For those two machines the router displays something like unknown_MAC address without the for the Device Name. I tried entering the machine names into the optional DHCP name box (forgot exactly what it's called) in the System Prefs/Networking/ Ethernet/DHCP window, but that had no effect, other than, when I clicked Apply Now it caused the computer to release its current IP and obtain a new one. My old System 9.1 machine shows up in the router list under its machine name, even. It's just these two OSX Macs that don't. Now that I'm at work and where I can test it, the only thing I can think of is that the two Macs in question have space characters in their machine names. Do routers reject machine names if they have spaces in them, or is something else going on here? If the latter, what? Is there some way to get the machine name to show up under Device Name on the router, instead of the MAC address? The router in question is one of ATT's HGV3600 modem/router gateways. I just switched to U-verse. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can someone reccomend a decent, reliable, robust USB hub...
On May 14, 7:33 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: I'm getting tired of these Belkin pieces of trash crapping out on me. Definitely needs to be a powered one. I bought three of these when Deal Mac listed them as available from mumble-mumble for something under $10 each and have found them to work very very well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/magicJack-4-port-Powered-USB-Hub-w-2-000mA- power-supply-/360389962173?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53e8ea69bd I think that price is too high. Here's another listing, but it doesn't seem to include the AC adapter: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-USB-2-0-External-Powered-4-Port-USB- HUB-/350421364816?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adaptershash=item5196bdb050 I can't swear that those have the same guts as mine, but they look exactly like them. It might be worth browsing the Ebay category, because as recently as a year ago, some of the Hong Kong sellers had them with AC adapters for about $6. Ah, here we go, $7 at PC Micro Store back in July 2007. So, I've been using them since then: http://dealmac.com/deals/Young-Micro-4-Port-USB-2.0-Mini-Hub-for-7- shipped-updated-/179546.html Might try searching Ebay on YM-HUB-4U2A-S Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can someone reccomend a decent, reliable, robust USB hub...
On May 15, 11:52 am, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: On May 14, 7:33 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: I'm getting tired of these Belkin pieces of trash crapping out on me. Definitely needs to be a powered one. I bought three of these when Deal Mac listed them as available from mumble-mumble for something under $10 each and have found them to work very very well. Ah, here we go, $7 at PC Micro Store back in July 2007. So, I've been using them since then: http://dealmac.com/deals/Young-Micro-4-Port-USB-2.0-Mini-Hub-for-7- shipped-updated-/179546.html Might try searching Ebay on YM-HUB-4U2A-S A google search on the above turns up these two links: $9.47 shipped http://www.ayagroup.com/product.php?productid=17392 $9.99 + shipping http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch.asp? px=FOscriteria=BA75668 Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: BW G3 as music server
On May 1, 4:33 am, Steven schultz...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I've been trying to figure out how I could use my BW G3/450 since upgrading to an iMac. I really don't want to get rid of it. I thought that using it as a music server in the living room would be a good idea. I can place it out of sight with space for a monitor and run a cable to the stereo. I am running OS9 and was planning on using iTunes. I wanted to ask the group if there were more elegant ways of doing this or maybe a better way to use the old girl. If you want music in other parts of the house, consider getting a Roku SoundBridge, or similar device. Roku discontinued them a few years ago. Basically, they're an ethernet (wireless or wired) connection coming in on one side and sound jacks (analog and digital) going out on the other side. They connect to a variety of music servers, but probably work best with iTunes, and let you play your music library anywhere you can connect to your household network. http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php I'm pretty certain there are other similar products which are still sold and supported by other manufacturers. All that said, I eventually decided that my Beige G3 was too bulky to keep around as a music server and switched to a G4 Mac Mini with a stack of drives in Newer Technology MiniStacks. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Games for G3's?
On Apr 30, 1:06 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2012, at 7:22 PM, Xion Dracari wrote: well i still cant find the Right Codec/(and encoder settings to us efor video!) but what games would everyone suggets for the Snow white iMac (G3 600mhz 512MB Ram) Shoot em ups? Marathon series. Games are so good Microsoft bought the company (Bungee) to get Halo (and keep it for the original Xbox and away from the Mac) Another vote for Marathon. Also, if you like spooky and are not a high resolution fanatic, I highly recommend Pathways into Darkness. This is the game that Bungee wrote before the Marathon series and I find it to be excellent. It's a first-person shooter, but there's much more story and puzzles that are integral to the game than in most such games I've played. Also, it has a really engrossing, spooky vibe, which is good because your sprite is invading an abandoned pyramid full of monsters and spooks generated by the fevered dreams of a sleeping god. Ammunition management is key, early in the game. PID will actually run well on a late 68K machine. Oh, and for fantasy combat, Diablo is fun. If you like real-time strategy/tactical games, there's always the original Warcraft, and Warcraft II, and Starcraft and Starcraft: Broodwar. Also, Age of Empires for the Mac. Turn based strategy: I'm fond of Imperialism, but it has a bug or two which will very infrequently cause it to lock up. Like maybe once in 20 games. Space based, there's Spaceward Ho! I'm also very fond of the shareware Asterax game. I contacted the author back in the 90s to update his address, and mailed him a check for it, but he never cashed it. It's an asteroids based game in which one can collect resources from the destroyed asteroids and upgrade one's ship. Oh, speaking of space based games, I adore Spaceward Ho! which is a turn based resource/galaxy conquering game. Also, don't forget Delta Tao's Escape Velocity which is a real-time spacecraft shooter. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD
Once you get OS 9.2.2 on a bootable disk, there are five issues to contend with on the MDD. #1: The machine appears to accept your OS9 installation as bootable, but won't boot. As others have reported, you need Mac ROM 9.5.1 or later, AKA Mac OS CPU Software in your System Folder. #2: Sound may not work. You need to update some of the sound components (CPs/extensions) from version 1.x.x to 2.x.x. I'm a little hazy on the exact version numbers here, unfortunately. I meant to note it down some day, but haven't. #3 The machine may freeze at the desktop. The mouse pointer will move, but clicking and keyboard input has no effect. This is a conflict between QuickTime 6.0.3 and the ATI drivers which the 9.2.2 installer installs. Get the latest (2005?) ATI drivers. If you have an nVidia card, this shouldn't be a problem. #4 There's no way to open the optical drives' doors if there is no disc in the drive. Again, my memory is hazy, but in the OS 9 folders, outside the System Folder, (In Apple Extras?) there is an Eject Extras folder. There's a tool to allow you to eject the drives. There's also a shareware tool, you can download, but I didn't find it to work especially well. #5 In OS9.x.x, the MDD fans may run at full speed all the time. Anyone know of the cause/solution to this one? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz?
On Feb 24, 11:43 pm, Eleni elen...@otenet.gr wrote: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz under Mac OS 8.6? How capable are these PowerMac G3 400MHz? What if you have max memory installed (1GB)? Just saw one on ebay in mint condition, is it worth buying? Ignoring the discussion of hardware and such... Roxio Toast Titanium 5.x runs on Classic and supports burning to DVD. I don't know if it supports double-layer DVD, but it definitely does single layer. Also, I don't know if it runs on 8.6, but it does run on 9.1. It is the last version of Toast to do so. Versions 6.x and above all require OSX. I believe that 5.23 was the last update to version 5.x. I have burned many DVDs using an old Umax S900 (8600/9600 clone), a G3 processor card at about 350 MHz and a DVDR drive and Toast 5.x. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Non-Readable CDs on G4 MDD
On Feb 23, 9:59 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: For some time now, I've been ordering CDs of certain US Air Force records from an Air Force agency for a book I'm writing. These CDs, which contain PDFs of the records in question, all opened with no problems. You may be able to close these disks on your wife's computer. Also ask the folks producing these disks to make them in the 'Master' format or 'Close them' (I think that's the option.) Closing is sometimes called Finalizing. When one writes multiple sessions to media, the disk may not be readable using software other than the original writing software until the disk has been closed or finalized. After closing, no additional material can be written to the disk. So software which supports multiple session writing won't close the disk until you tell it to, so that the disk is still capable of taking additional data. If the person burning the disks never bothers to do that final step, then the disk won't be readable by software which only supports the standards. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 RAM
On Feb 17, 1:29 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Nathan Templeton wrote: However, I found in my experience when I was stationed in Turkey around seven years ago now with my beige G3/300 I had and entire gig showing under 10.2. Are you certain this was a Beige and not a Blue White G3 300MHz? The BW had four RAM slots, and the limit was 1GB as 4x256MB. I believe the max limit of any Beige is 768MB as 2x256MB LOW DENSITY DIMMs. I have often read that the MPC106 (memory controller/bus arbiter) on the Beige G3 does not support larger memory capacities. Software wouldn't change that. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 13, 9:15 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Changing the subject line does NOT start a new thread. You MUST do a completely separate New Message or else the reply will hijack the previous thread and automatically thread into the prior posting no matter what the subject line says. Yes. This is a problem with how Google wrote the software for Google Groups. They apparently assign their idiot programmers to the project, or people so young and/or ignorant that they have no idea how a news group nor an email list is meant to work. It shouldn't be this way. You should be able to hit reply and just change the subject but poor programming defeats what ought to be. The result, for us the users, is that you really need to start a brand new email, or go to the Google Groups web interface and start a new thread. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: adding memory to iMac G4
On Feb 12, 9:24 am, QuoVadis eelcovanv...@home.nl wrote: Hello Tina, Does the USB2.0 version use DDR memory, instead of SD-RAM of the USB 1.1 version? If so, then the topic starter has more options indeed. I'm not sure how pricey a 1GB DDR SO-DIMM is going to be.. About $30 at Newegg. Possibly less on the used market. If you have a use for 60 of them, I've seen lots being sold with a unit price of about $2 each. :-) DDR2 memory is at the sweet spot right now. 1 GB SO-DIMMs are $15 each and have been for most of the past twelve months. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 10, 2:17 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: It SHOULD just work, as the only difference between this and a retail Radeon 7000, iirc, was the lack of the other ports. Have you tried it on a more modern monitor than the old 19 one? It's remotely possible it's putting out a signal that won't work on the monitor, but my suspicion is that it's a dead card. I ran into a similar problem with the Radeon 7000 in a Beige G3 when I used it with a Radius Intellicolor 20e CRT monitor. Unfortunately, that was about seven years ago and I don't remember the details. There was a way for me to get it to work. And I'm not even certain it was with the Radius. Maybe it was with an IBM 18.1 LCD from 2000. At the time I suspected that it had to do with some newish, at the time, signalling system that monitors were using to signal or detect which resolutions were available. And I was able to get around it somehow. I may have done something like using a VGA to Mac adapter coupled with a Mac to VGA adapter. Or maybe booting with extensions off. Once I had the thing booted and the resolution set to a lower level things were fine. The problem appeared to be that the video card defaulted to too high of a resolution for the ones supported by the monitor, or something. It's possible I posted a question about it in one of these lists, so a search of posts back around 2002 - 2005 might turn something up. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 6, 5:00 pm, faithie999 faithie...@hotmail.com wrote: what is the URL you used to find the strangedog site? thanks!! http://strangedogs.proboards.com/index.cgi Please trim your quoted text when posting. You really didn't need to include my entire previous message you ask such a short question. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 4, 1:49 pm, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 4-02-2012 10:54, pdimage ha scritto: Both the X800 and the X850 will convert to mac but I gather they are very troublesome and the dvi port never works as far as I know. As far as I can remember, the problem with a flashed PC X800 DVI port is it won't drive a DVI monitor, but it will still work with a VGA one (provided you use a DVI to VGA adapter on the port, of course). In other words, after flashing the card, the two display ports still work, but only for VGA monitors. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I understood after getting an used PC X800 for 25£. (I didn't flash it yet, though, because it's working in my gaming PC right now :-) I went and read the 29 page thread about X800/X850 conversion on Strange Dogs. Themacelite forum may be gone, but Strange Dogs is still around. Yay! According to the long thread, things are as the previous poster wrote. As with many of these conversions, there's a reduced Firmware to fit in the PC 64K Flash. The full Mac Firmware requires a 128K flash chip, which usually means replacing the 64K Flash chip on the PC versions of the card. The X800 and X850 can be converted, but while the PC models have one DVI port and one VGA port, the DVI port will only work with a DVI to VGA adapter. The reason is that the GPU has the circuitry for the DVI (or ADC) output built in. On an Apple card with ADC/DVI outputs, the card uses the built-in circuitry to drive the ADC port and there is a separate Silicon Images DVI chip on the card to drive the DVI port. So, Apple card: ADC port driven by GPU. DVI port driven by dedicated chip. PC card: DVI port driven by GPU. VGA port doesn't need extra circuitry. And when you replace the PC X800/X850 BIOS with Mac Firmware, it tries to program the GPU to output ADC format to the DVI port -- which doesn't work. And there's no dedicated chip to drive DVI on the other port, and there's just a VGA connector there anyway. Now, ADC is electrically compatible with DVI. The converters between the two just rearrange the wires. They don't massage the signals -- except that DVI to ADC requires the addition of the 28V supply. So this suggests that the DVI port on a converted X800/X850 probably has the proper signals, but on the wrong pins. The HP Fire GL X3 has two DVI ports and has the dedicated DVI chip on board. Apparently, conversion of the Fire GL X3 does yield two working DVI ports. It may require the full Mac firmware (Flash chip replacement) to get that functionality. I can't remember any more. The Fire card is rated for a slower clock speed than the X850XT PE but gets good benchmarks, nevertheless. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 3, 3:12 am, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: ErrThat's not quite true Bruceflashing from PC to mac bios has always involved soldering since the introduction of rom locks on the Radeon cards. The hardware lock is achieved with tiny resistors and effectively blocks any flash larger than 64KB - PC size - whereas the mac rom is 128KB. Resistor lock info http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html However - I doubt the card would get hot enough around the SO8 to smoulder any remaining flux. Do you know if the X800 has the ROM lock feature. Thomas Perrier's site seems to be specific to the R9800. I have a few X800/X850s kicking around I've been meaning to convert. I thought all I'd need to do is replace the flash chip. If this ROM lock thing is on that card too, I can see where that would have been just an exercise in frustration. It's too bad that themacelite's forums went down. There was some great information in there. Do you know if there's an archive available? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 fro G4 MDD
On Jan 7, 11:18 am, Oliver Fairhall o.fairh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Thanks for all th replies, information, and help. I'm just finding my way on this, and you have been a great help. I recommend that you search on this group for previous discussions. The installation at the link John provided will probably take care of your needs. The retail install of 9.2.2 may also lack a few other components that the MDD needs and those were discussed a year or two ago in an earlier thread. There are a couple of sound extensions or CPs that the MDD needs. There's also an issue with QuickTime and older (the ones 9.2.2 installs) ATI drivers. If you have an NVidia card, then the QuickTime problem should not be an issue for you. If you have an ATI card, you need to find the latest ATI drivers for your card and OS 9.x, otherwise QuickTime will lock up the machine at boot time. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
On Nov 28, 7:57 am, Barry Levine barrylev...@norwoodlight.com wrote: Maxtor HD's in my experience have lasted pretty well also. Except for the 120 MB IDE drive back around 1992, which barely lived out its warranty period in about 30% of cases But every manufacturer produces one of those every so often. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
On Nov 28, 11:36 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: A better idea is to have several external HDs, and rotate them off site now and then. The 'ole sock-drawer method. The drive docking stations which are now available, make this easy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153071 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182221 my favorite: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182237 and others... With a dock, you can just buy bare drive mechanisms as needed. I like to use 2.5 mechanisms because they are so compact, although I'm not sure whether a 750 GB 2.5 drive or a 3 TB 3.5 drive has a greater volumetric data density. Get a safe deposit box. You ought to have one anyway. If it's small, use 2.5 drives, which the docks above also support.Rotate one set of backups out to the safe deposit box on some kind of schedule. Even if you don't stick to the schedule, having some kind of back up off site is better than nothing. It may not be up to the minute, but at least it will preserve most of your stuff. I keep thinking about setting up a bank of BD-R drives, because Retrospect will move to the next available drive as it fills the first. So with several, one can load them all with blank media and only need to come back every hour or two to swap media. However, I think hard drives are (or were, before the flooding) actually cheaper per GB than blank BR media. It takes about 100 BR disks to equal one 2 TB hard drive. Recently I've seen the BR blanks at about $35 per 50. So $70 per 2 TB. And this summer hard drives were about $70 per 2 TB. Sigh. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you share....
On Nov 23, 11:11 pm, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: your best Black Friday deal...I know I'm looking for a SATA Hard drive for desktop... I haven't seen any Black Friday sales as good as some of the deals I saw during the year, on much of anything. Of course hard drive prices may be higher because of the supply issues. During the past year, I bought Hitachi 5K3000 2TB, drives for $70 each with a $10 rebate, yielding a total price of $60 each. If you can wait, such deals will probably come around again, eventually. I notice that those drives on Newegg are now $199. Yeesh. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5.8 Update Stuck in Configuring Installation for 12 Hours
On Oct 27, 2:12 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:02 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Configuring Installation I believe Configuring Installation is prior to installation, not during, so hopefully you're ok. Leopard 10.5 normally updates after completing most of a Shutdown process, so it's possible some app stalled the update process. Software Update is smarter than it used to be, the downloaded software should still be ready to install, and if you reboot and then Shutdown again it should tell you there's software to install, and start again without needing to download it all again. Thank you to all who replied. I shut down using the power button. Booted back up, and the machine came up in unadulterated 10.5. No updates applied. I launched Software Update again, but this time there were only four updates instead of five listed. I believe that it managed to install the iTunes update it wanted to, and maybe that's what stalled the rest of the process. This time, instead of letting SU do the update, I chose Download Only. After that, the Mac OS X Combo Update immediately appeared in the Downloads folder. It must have been stored somewhere from two nights ago attempt, but I searched the machine yesterday (using Find) and wherever it was, it wasn't visible. Anyway, telling SU to download it caused SU to immediately cough up whatever copy it downloaded two nights ago. I ran the installer manually and it worked perfectly. The machine booted into 10.5.8 without problems. However, this whole thing is being driven by a new iPhone, which needs iTunes 10.5 (or something like that, not my iPhone). And when I try to launch the iTunes 10.5 that SU installed, it informs me that it needs QuickTime 7.5 or better to run. But the link on the message leads to a page at Apple's site which just tells me that QuickTime is built into the OS now and will be updated automatically by SU. So which of these updates (10 now that 10.5.8 is installed) that SU wants to install contains the QuickTime update? Maybe the iLife tools update? Or is that Apple page true for later OS's but not for Leopard? Once again, I am pushed to a near-murderous rage by how hard Apple makes it to find a simple thing like older versions of QuickTime updates. A google search turned up a copy of QuickTime 7.7 on a page called Macupdates, so I can get QuickTime. I'm just upset that I can't get it from Apple, as I ought to be able. There should just be an Apple QuickTime page which lists all the versions with download buttons. And, in fact, I found a page like that, and all the download buttons take one to the Apple page which tells you that Quicktime is built into the system now and not a separate download, so none of the links on that page actually works. G. Sigh. But, on the bright side, no matter how idiotic Apple Support is, this MDD is almost configured thanks to the Mac community and despite Apple, I think. Thank you again for the help, and for reading my venting, if you're still reading. :-) Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 25, 3:29 pm, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. Thanks a lot. Anecdotal evidence about this sort of thing is always suspect. However... I like Seagate drives because they still had a long warranty when other companies had gone to one year. I think the other companies have changed back, but I haven't been paying that much attention. I don't like the Seagate external drives based on 2.5 mechanisms. I've seen a lot of failures in those and read about many. I would be cautious of any of the 2.5 external drives which draw their power off of the USB bus. That seems to cause corruption and reliability issues in many cases. I like my 1.5 TB Seagate drive, but I had to get it replaced three times to get a good one. Seagate seems to have or have had problems with their Firewire implementation. Since you don't want Firewire that may not cause you as much headache as it did me. Two terabyte external drives are regularly on sale at Newegg for around $70 these days. Watch their ads or sign up for their email specials and one will come along within a month, probably. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
10.5.8 Update Stuck in Configuring Installation for 12 Hours
I am trying to update a 1.25 GHz MDD (single G4) from a clean install of 10.5 to 10.5.8. Perhaps naively, I let Software Update do its thing and after a couple hours of downloading through our slow DSL connection, things were chugging along. I should note that Software Update was performing five updates total, including the Mac OSX Combo 10.5.8 update. Last night the machine was sitting with a solid light blue screen with a message box in the center showing almost no progress on the progress bar and a caption reading, Configuring Installation and this morning it appears to be in exactly the same state. I can't seem to bring up the Activity Monitor (or whatever it's called) with a cmd-opt-esc and there are no menus nor buttons on the screen. However, I'm hesitant to shut down with the power button. Thank you for any helpful or humorous suggestions, Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Removing Heat Sink from Sonnet G4 upgrade card
On Jul 27, 8:19 am, Maccountant gsuc...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone done this before? I purchased a Sonnet G4 1.8gz MDX for my G4 single 1.25 MDD. It works fine but generates too much heat, even with the built-in fan. I want to remove the heatsink and replace it with an Apple copper one from a 1.45 G4 that I have but the Sonnet is screwed in in a proprietary way. I contacted Sonnet but the guy just said they attached it in such a way so customers won’t remove it. Big help. Has anyone done such a thing and can tell me what kind of tool I need? I am not familiar with it. Did they use those funny screws with the star or hex pattern and little nipple in the center? If so, you can buy the bits at a specialty fastener store and probably on-line if you can figure out what it is called. Here in Austin, we have Austin Bolt Company and American Bolt Company which pretty much carry every fastener and fastener related tool known to man. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 12, 10:06 am, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: In order to find which ROM you have, go to the Apple System Profiler and check the ROM or Firmware Revision. $77D.40F2 is revision A. If it shows something like $77D.45F6 then you are probably running OSX and it has remapped the ROM to a file which contains firmware code. I managed to distract myself from finishing the original thought in that paragraph. Revision B has $77D.45F1 and Revision C has $77D.45F2 in System Profiler. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 11, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: However, the Beige G3's already have an ATA drive. IIRC ones sold as servers came with SCSI drives, but there is an ATA (66 IIRC) port on the mobo as well. If there's no ATA connector you may actually have an old 604 powermac not a G3. The Beige G3 has two IDE buses. However, they are 16.67MB/s, not ATA66. So really quite slow by today's standards. At the time of manufacture, it did not matter much as the very best hard drives were still struggling to deliver much over 20 MB/s in actual media speed. And the IDE drives that Apple shipped in those machines were even slower -- maybe 10 MB/s on a good day. Anyway, the built-in IDE buses are adequate for optical drives, and if you don't expect a lot of performance, they're fine for IDE drives up to the large drive limit (128 GB?). No need for an ATA card if you don't mind pedestrian performance. The Beige G3s with the Rev. A ROM only support one device on each IDE bus. Beige G3s with the Rev. B or Rev. C ROMs support the normal two devices per IDE bus. In order to find which ROM you have, go to the Apple System Profiler and check the ROM or Firmware Revision. $77D.40F2 is revision A. If it shows something like $77D.45F6 then you are probably running OSX and it has remapped the ROM to a file which contains firmware code. You may need to boot into Classic to check the revision. You can also tell the ROM revision by looking at the numbers on the ROM chips, but I can't remember the exact numbers at the moment. I think 343S401 and 402 were Rev. A and 343S494 and 495 were Rev. C with Rev. B somewhere in between, but that memory is unreliable. As for add-on ATA cards, so long as they have Mac ROMS they should work. Note that the Promise cards do not have Mac ROMs. However, back in the day, there was a VST ATA66 card which was identical to the Promise UltraTek-66 card, except for some minor modifications. Many (probably in the hundreds) of the Promise cards were converted by amateurs for use in the Macintosh, so it is conceivable that you could come across an UltraTek 66 modified with Macintosh firmware/ROM code. Unlikely, but possible. However, the UltraTek66 did not provide large drive support either. So all you would gain from that is better performance. If you actually purchase an ATA card, I recommend something like the Acard AEC-6280M which is an ATA133 card, provides large drive support and works in both Classic (down to 7.6.1, but the Beige only goes down into 8.x) and in OSX.Or find one of the serial ATA cards, so you may get an inexpensive modern drive. However, I'm not sure if any of the SATA cards provide Classic support. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
On Jul 6, 2:27 pm, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: Try deleting Appleshare Prep in the preferences folder. IIci (NOT easy to find in working condition any more) and a couple of IIsi. As IIci and IIsi get harder to find, my boss might have some interest in that. Almost all non-working IIci's need the capacitors replaced on the logic board. As time passes, pretty much all of them are going to need this. So any IIci's you buy are either going to need to have it done, or have already had it done. If you have failed IIci's that's likely to be the problem. Of course, the other likely problem is failed power supplies, but since those are easily swappable, that's pretty obvious from a trouble- shooting point of view. Anyway, replacing the capacitors is not especially difficult. In an industrial environment such as yours, I would be surprised if you don't have several people who are handy with a soldering pencil. Much discussion of replacing the logic board capacitors is available in the forums over on 68kmla.net. The gist is: 1) The surface mount electrolytic capacitors leak corrosive goo eventually. 2) The corrosive goo can destroy circuit board traces and vias and appears to be at least somewhat electrically conductive, as evidenced by the fact that washing it off is often enough to get a board working again, temporarily. 3) Replace the surface mount electrolytics with surface mount tantalums. They won't leak goo. 4) The stripe on the electrolytics indicates the negative terminal. The stripe on the tantalums indicates the positive terminal. The confusion from this has resulted in many popped tantalums. 5) If you don't have special soldering equipment, the easiest way to remove the surface mount capacitors is to use two soldering pencils. One on each side of the cap to be removed. 6) Be patient! Most lifted pads and torn traces are caused by folks trying to remove a capacitor before the solder is fully melted or any glue underneath is softened. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
On Jun 28, 12:25 pm, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: Beige G3, OS 8.6. Can somebody remind me where the setting is that allows me to make it STOP trying to connect to another computer during the startup sequence? Try deleting Appleshare Prep in the preferences folder. My source: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.comm/browse_thread/thread/ fcf24208db7ac1d0/be52c4e81b4b5715?q=stop+automatically+connect+network +drive++group:comp.sys.mac.*#be52c4e81b4b5715 It was the third result when I searched on stop automatically connect network drive in the groups: comp.sys.mac.* All ancient Mac wisdom was discussed at some point in the UseNet comp.sys.mac.* hierarchy There is also some discussion about unchecking a connect at startup box, but I don't think you can access that box unless the drive is available to mount. Although there might be something in the Chooser you could do. Regarding the later hardware discussion... It sounds like you might want to stock up on Beige G3 logic boards. They have the virtue of working with ATX power supplies. However, while ZIF (CPU) modules will probably be available forever, the VRMs may become hard to find.Another alternative would be to lay in a few of the PowerComputing brand clones. They also use ATX power supplies. Another alternative would be the Umax clones which use a modified ATX drive, but it's pretty easy to build an adapter. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 Optical drive options
On Jun 24, 4:31 am, Barney Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: I bought the Pioneer from Macsales (something like $30) when the drive in my G4 933 QS would not write DVD's anymore. The Pioneer drives have become a little challenging to find. The latest Pioneer PATA drive was the DVR-118L. The last time I checked OWC was out of stock. Amazon just recently started stocking it again. They were out for most of a year. You can get it directly from Pioneer here: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Professional/Computer-Drives/ DVR-118L but even Pioneer didn't have any for several months and only recently showed them for sale again. I think they may have done an extra manufacturing run of them or something. I found what I thought was a pretty good on them when everyone else seemed to be out here: http://store.overstock-king.com/product_info.php?products_id=234 but I ordered three of them back at the beginning of May, and got emailed an invoice, but they've never shipped anything, my order status just shows pending and they don't respond to emails. My card has never been charged either, which is good. Apparently, they're not actually interested in selling anything. So, the Pioneer drive costs about $15 more than the Samsung or LG drive that are available at Newegg, but it is available again. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Performance When Playing Camera Video on G4?
On Jun 20, 1:17 pm, Alexander Gomes alexcomputersolut...@gmail.com wrote: What video card do you have? Having the best cpu in the world won't matter if your video card can't keep up to process the video I tried to remember to check at home last night, but forgot. It is one of the video cards that shipped with the machine. I think it's the ATI 9000. Ah, I just remembered a detail that almost guarantees it. When I was trying to get OS 9.2.2 to work on the machine I had to update the ATI drivers in order to stop QuickTime from locking the machine up at boot time (or vice versa).So, given that was the only ATI card available as a choice, it must the 9000. I remember thinking that if I had a NVidia card I wouldn't have had that problem. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Performance When Playing Camera Video on G4?
On Jun 20, 1:37 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:25 AM -0700 6/20/2011, t...@io.com wrote: Anybody playing videos from their Canon camera with acceptable performance on a G4? Apple's h.264 codec, in QuickTime, is not very good. Try VLC. I'll give that a try. Use a tool such as Activity Monitor to watch the cpu and memory... fwiw, I can play some h.264 on my 933-MHz QuickSilver G4. But, depending on the compression used, sometimes it skips a bit even in VLC. My solution then is to either re-compress it, or transcribe it to something like mpeg-2, using ffmpeg. Also a useful suggestion. Thank you. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Performance When Playing Camera Video on G4?
I have a Canon SX130IS and my SO has an A720. They both have the option to record video. The SX130 records 1280 X 720 @30fps in h.264 format and when it is uploaded to the Mac, it appears as a .mov file. Let's see, a spec sheet says H.264 + Linear PCM (stereo) When I play the videos (from either camera) in Quicktime they're horribly choppy. The host machine is an MDD 1.25GHz single processor. Before I go delve into the software configuration, etc. Does playing this kind of video simply require more processing power than the MDD can provide? Would dual processors make any difference? I have a 1.33GHz dual processor card from a Xserve that I could install. Anybody playing videos from their Canon camera with acceptable performance on a G4? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RealTek 8169 in Beige G3 on OSX?
On Jun 1, 3:26 pm, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: On Jun 1, 12:41 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:06 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Start the Console App, and click on the 'More Logs' button. This should let you see the system log which *should* include all the boot messages. There *might* be a boot log in /private/var/logs (one of the possible collections of logs in the 'More Logs' section. I cannot remember if this was present in 10.2 or not. Both can be searched for the '8169' string. Alternatively you can hold down command-V whilst booting to get the verbose start up and watch carefully for things mentioning the card. Thank you, Bruce. I will investigate these avenues this evening and report back. Perhaps I'll also try a different PCI slot and pull the USB card (far fetched, but unlikely to hurt). Okay, I tried pulling the USB card and also tried moving the 8169 to slot c1 with no joy. I opened the console and clicked on the log button, but there was no mention of the 8169 in there. I also found a list of logs (or events?) in System Profiler, but none of those was relevant either. I may have missed the more logs button, but I think I would have clicked on it if it was there. I forgot about checking /private/var/logs. Also forgot to boot up in verbose mode. Should have done that. Sigh. But I didn't want to put hours and hours into it again. I have firmly reminded myself that this exercise is to speed the transfer of data off of the machine, not to become an expert at installing 8169 cards. So, it occurred to me The 8169 works great in OS9. The files are all available and visible in OS9. I'll just boot into OS9 and transfer the files off of the machine, over my network, and to the Mini, while the Beige is booted into OS9. :-) QED. OS9 might be slower than OSX at network activity (is it?) but the Mini only has a 10/100 port anyway. So with the Beige slinging data at gigabit, and throttling down to 100 at the switch on its way to the mini, I imagine the Beige in OS9 will give me as good of performance as the other bottlenecks can take. Then I can store or dispose of the giant Beige and the tiny little Mini will become the household iTunes server. Yea. Perhaps some day I'll revisit this issue out of curiosity. Darn it. The 8169 ought to work, and it bugs me that it doesn't Thank you, Bruce. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RealTek 8169 in Beige G3 on OSX?
Has anyone successfully (or unsuccessfully) used a RealTek 8169 based gigabit ethernet card in a Beige G3 under OSX? I banged my head against this thing for several hours last night and could not get it to work. When I boot the machine in OS 9.x the card works fine. So, at least I know the hardware is all functional. The RealTek drivers seem to install okay, but when I reboot the machine, the only ethernet available in the Network System Preferences panel is still just the Built-in Ethernet. The card never appears. I tried RealTek's 10.2, 10.3 and Tiger drivers to no avail. I'm running 10.2.8 on the Beige G3. It has a 500MHz G3 upgrade and 256MB RAM. I haven't tried moving the card to a different slot. Currently, an Acard 6280M is in A1, the RTL8169 is in B1, and a USB card is in slot C1. I did get a message on reboot about the driver possibly being unsafe or unsecure and was offered the choices of fix and use or use. First I tried fix and use. When that didn't work, I reinstalled and tried use. Neither one worked. I'd appreciate any suggestions of stories about experiences with the same hardware. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RealTek 8169 in Beige G3 on OSX?
On Jun 1, 10:11 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:05 AM, t...@io.com wrote: The RealTek drivers seem to install okay, but when I reboot the machine, the only ethernet available in the Network System Preferences panel is still just the Built-in Ethernet. The card never appears. I tried RealTek's 10.2, 10.3 and Tiger drivers to no avail. What does System Profiler show? I'm working from memory here, as the machine is at home, but I do remember that it was pci10ec,8169 and I think the vendor ID was 10ec and card or device ID was 8169. I remember that, because the RealTek drivers include a ReadMe about changing the ID/Name in the mumble list if the card vendor used a different designation, so I carefully checked that this card has the designation that RealTek uses in their drivers. It seems to show up in System Profiler okay, but if there is some other field I should check, please let me know. Look in the logs, there may be more info. I'm a classic hold out, so my OSX-fu is pathetic. In which logs should I look and do you have any hints as to what I should look for? Thank you, Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RealTek 8169 in Beige G3 on OSX?
On Jun 1, 12:41 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:06 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Look in the logs, there may be more info. I'm a classic hold out, so my OSX-fu is pathetic. In which logs should I look and do you have any hints as to what I should look for? From dim, dim memory since 10.2.8 on my Beige was a lng time ago... Start the Console App, and click on the 'More Logs' button. This should let you see the system log which *should* include all the boot messages. There *might* be a boot log in /private/var/logs (one of the possible collections of logs in the 'More Logs' section. I cannot remember if this was present in 10.2 or not. Both can be searched for the '8169' string. Alternatively you can hold down command-V whilst booting to get the verbose start up and watch carefully for things mentioning the card. Again, Ive not used 10.2 in aages, but what happens if you add another network port in the Network prefs pane? Can you do that? Thank you, Bruce. I will investigate these avenues this evening and report back. Perhaps I'll also try a different PCI slot and pull the USB card (far fetched, but unlikely to hurt). I did not see an option to add another network port last night. I did see an option to create (new), edit, delete configurations (IIRC) but when I clicked on new I was given the opportunity to enter a new name, and then associate it with the same old ports -- Built-in Ethernet, Modem, Firewire. The PCI ethernet still did not appear. (Not certain the third one was Firewire, as there's no Firewire card in the machine, although there was at one time...) I never went beyond 10.2.8 on this machine, because I didn't want to deal with xpostfacto, despite all the great things I've read about it. My other machines are running 10.4.11 (if they aren't still running 9.x), and, in fact, this effort is because I want to replace the Beige, which is the household iTunes server, with a tiny little G4 Mini running 10.4.11 and I don't want to move the music files at 10Mb/ s speeds. Pulling the drives and putting them in an external USB case is looking more and more attractive as a method of moving the files, although I'm not certain that the Acard 6280M drive initialization is compatible with a USB bridge. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT: Inverter Board Question
On May 15, 8:54 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, quick question here. Can a faulty inverter board cause distortion to appear on parts of a screen? Almost looks like a bunch of close together lines, that causes whatever is displayed in that part of the screen to be distorted. This only appears after a few seconds of the screen being powered on. I realize this is a little off topic, but I didn't know were else to ask this question. I think this is a fine place for that question. However, if you don't get the information you need, you might try sci.electronics.repair over on Usenet. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mini: Wifi Slot?; IR Receiver?; Choice of DVDRW?; Max Memory?
On May 11, 3:24 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:54 AM, t...@io.com wrote: 1) Does anyone know what the Wifi slot is? It's proprietary. The kit is expensive and rare. The part you need is Apple part # M9870Z/A. It's 802.11g. I'd skip this and use a USB 2.0 802.11n adapter, any Broadcom USB adapter will work as Airport as long as the correct VID PID are in the info.plist of the Broadcom plug kext of the IO80211Family.kext. Thank you for the information on the kit. I don't need it for Wifi. My house is wired. But I do need it to have any chance of tracing a pinout for the slot into which it plugs.However, I don't need a *working* one in order to trace the connections. I'm half-heartedly looking for a way to get SCSI on the thing, so it can also run my household backup system as well. Don't think this is going to happen unless you've got some serious hardware skills. I have the skills and know where to find the resources (can lay out the circuit boards, know where to get them fabbed), but it is probably not worth the time and money. Or, put another way, by the time I would get around to building anything, my current backup system will probably have been replaced, obviating the need for a SCSI solution. :-) If I had the connections traced in the Wifi/Bluetooth expansion slot, presumably I would find a set of PCI signals in there. Then I would identify the connector (brand/part#) that mates with the logic board connector and buy one of those. Then I'd get something like an Acard 6712TUM SCSI card which uses a QFP chip instead of a BGA chip because I can desolder and resolder a QFP chip, but not the BGA chips found on most other SCSI cards. There are only two major components on the 6712, plus a handful of things like an oscillator and power management. Trace out a netlist for the 6712TUM and then lay out a board that puts the 6712 components next to the connector used by the Mini with all the PCI connections hooked up properly. Desolder the components from the 6712, solder them to my board, and voila, SCSI in the G4 Mini. I'm not quite sure how to give the SCSI bus an exit from the case though. I wonder how many wires one could fit through the hole that the phone jack currently fills. 2) I opened it up last night. I thought that tiny hole on the lower right was a port for a manual eject pin to the optical drive, but it looks like there's an IR receiver behind it. Does the G4 Mini have an IR receiver? I researched this a while back and thought that only later Minis could use an IR remote. Isn't the the Power-On LED? Yes. Thank you. 4) Everything I've read says the maximum RAM is 1 GB. Anyone ever successfully install more RAM? This is a good question? The G4 Mini requires low density RAM. I noticed that Kingston once made a 2GB non-ECC PC3200 DDR DIMM, but it was really rare and expensive, and I doubt it would work? I believe 1GB is the max for all practical purposes. I've since found that Micron makes a 64M X 4bit X 4bank memory chip. A DIMM made with sixteen of those chips should, in theory, work in the G4 mini and provide 2 GB of RAM. I haven't found anyone who sells such a DIMM though. And if available, it might be too expensive to be practical. 1GB is plenty for my purposes, it's just in my nature to want to max. things out. For those who care: Math behind 64M X 4bit X 4bank memory chips DIMMs are 64 bits wide, so 16 X 4bits = 64 bits. Therefore sixteen chips are required. Each chip has 64M X 4 X 4 = 1 Gbit of capacity. So sixteen chips = 16 X 1Gb = 16Gbits = 2Gbytes. The G4 mini has address lines A0 - A12 = thirteen address lines, which are used twice in an address cycle. So 26 address bits are provided. 2^26 = 64M addresses. So the address lines are capable of addressing the 64M addresses on the chips. The G4 mini has bank lines BA0 - BA1 = two address lines. 2^2 = 4 bank addresses. So four banks are supported by the G4 mini. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mini: Wifi Slot?; IR Receiver?; Choice of DVDRW?; Max Memory?
On May 12, 12:07 am, Wayne Stewart waynejstew...@gmail.com wrote: What about one of those SCSI to USB adapters? I know they also made SCSI to firewire adapters though I've never owned one of those I looked at those. The SCSI to USB adapter has a reputation for lack of reliability.The Firewire/SCSI adapter has a good reputation, but it only supports one SCSI device. My back up system is an HP DDS3 DAT Autoloader, which has two SCSI IDs, one for the tape drive mechanism and one for the tape handling mechanism. The HP Autoloaders hold six DAT tapes and software which supports them (e.g. Retrospect) will cycle through the tapes during a back up without human intervention. For a lot of unattended backing up, one can daisy chain up to three autoloaders on one SCSI bus, and have eighteen tapes available. However, that's still only 216 GB of raw (uncompressed) capacity. The DDS3 (12/24 GB tapes) Autoloaders are pretty cheap these days, and even three or four years ago. In fact, the DDS4 (20/40) autoloaders can be bought affordably now too, however, the DDS4 tape still seems very expensive. I was able to find a bunch of new DD3 tapes on Ebay at affordable prices several years ago. But even with the autoloaders, the capacity is getting overwhelmed by today's data demands. I may move to something like a tower of eight Blue-Ray drives on Firewire eventually. The media is much cheaper than the equivalent DAT tapes. Since I already have a bunch of DD3 tapes on hand, I may as well keep using this system until I've filled them. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Mini: Wifi Slot?; IR Receiver?; Choice of DVDRW?; Max Memory?
Since the Mac Mini Group appears dead, I guess I'll post here... I bought a G4 Mini about six months ago to use as a compact iTunes server for the house, replacing the big hulking Beige G3 tower I've been using. I'm finally configuring the thing and have a few questions. 1) Does anyone know what the Wifi slot is? From the Apple Hardware Developer Note, it looks like it's probably a combination PCI slot and USB connection (Wires for both on one connector). If one has the riser card does that provide a standard Mini-PCI connection, or is it still proprietary? I'm half-heartedly looking for a way to get SCSI on the thing, so it can also run my household backup system as well. If I do anything with this SCSI idea I'll need an Airport card or combo Airport/Bluetooth card from which to reverse engineer the connections. Anyone have a dead one they'd like to dispose of? Failing that, is there an inexpensive source of these cards or have they become expensive? 2) I opened it up last night. I thought that tiny hole on the lower right was a port for a manual eject pin to the optical drive, but it looks like there's an IR receiver behind it. Does the G4 Mini have an IR receiver? I researched this a while back and thought that only later Minis could use an IR remote. 3) The Mini I bought has a CD-RW/DVD-ROM and I want to install a DVD- RW drive. I have a Toshiba TS-632 and a Hitachi AGW-4080 on hand. Any opinions on which is the better choice? 4) Everything I've read says the maximum RAM is 1 GB. Anyone ever successfully install more RAM? The Apple Developer Note (which also claims 1 GB maximum) states: Signals A[0] - A[12] and BA[0] - BA[1] on each RAM DIMM make up a 15 bit multiplexed address bus that can support several different types of SDRAM devices. Now, that statement isn't super-accurate, because while the address is multiplexed the Bank address is not.So the maximum addressing possible is 13 address bits twice (twice is what the multiplexing means) for 26 address bits or 64M addresses, and the two Bank bits yield up to four banks. So, if one builds a DIMM out of sixteen 64M X 4bit X 4bank parts, one would have get a 2 GB DIMM. Hmmm, checking some memory datasheets, it looks like there may never have been 64M X n X 4 bank parts. They all seem to go to 8 banks before they go to 64M addresses. Thank you for any helpful or humorous answers. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mini: Wifi Slot?; IR Receiver?; Choice of DVDRW?; Max Memory?
On May 11, 11:23 am, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: If I do anything with this SCSI idea I'll need an Airport card or combo Airport/Bluetooth card from which to reverse engineer the connections. Anyone have a dead one they'd like to dispose of? Failing that, is there an inexpensive source of these cards or have they become expensive? If I REALLY wanted SCSI on my Mini, I would adapt the top slot of the riser (the one for the optical drive) first to standard IDE, and second to SCSI using a SCSIDE card, available from ACARD. The Acard product converts a SCSI host to an IDE device. I would need the opposite conversion. But any such adapter, such as Ratoc Firewire/SCSI converter, isn't going to do the trick, because my Tape device is an Autoloader with two SCSI IDs and converters only support a single SCSI ID. I need an actual SCSI host. I could pull the guts off of an Acard 6712 and put it on a custom card, if I knew the pinout of the Airport slot, and if all the PCI signals are present. 4) Everything I've read says the maximum RAM is 1 GB. Anyone ever successfully install more RAM? DDR RAM sticks are restricted to 1 GB per stick. There are 2GB DDR sticks, but they are registered, ECC sticks, not unregistered non-ECC as is needed in this case. I've done a little digging since my original post, and a 184 DDR DIMM built from Sixteen Micron MT46V256M4-5B chips should do the trick. According to the Developer Note, they support DDR chips with four banks. They don't mention any with 64M addresses, but they probably weren't available at the time and there are thirteen address pins available. So, unless Apple only supported 13 X 11 or something silly like that, a 64M X 4bit X 4bank part should work. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mini: Wifi Slot?; IR Receiver?; Choice of DVDRW?; Max Memory?
On May 11, 11:47 am, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: If I REALLY wanted SCSI on my Mini, I would adapt the top slot of the riser (the one for the optical drive) first to standard IDE, and second to SCSI using a SCSIDE card, available from ACARD. The Acard product converts a SCSI host to an IDE device. I would need the opposite conversion. But any such adapter, such as Ratoc Firewire/SCSI converter, isn't going to do the trick, because my Tape device is an Autoloader with two SCSI IDs and converters only support a single SCSI ID. I need an actual SCSI host. Incorrect. An ACARD SCSIDE converts a SCSI device, such as a disk drive, to an IDE host. The Mini is an IDE host. Peter, the Acard product, such as the 7720U let's one put a newer IDE device such as a new IDE hard drive into an older computer equipped with a SCSI interface. So, for example, one can put a 750GB PATA drive into an old SE/30 on the SE/30's SCSI bus. This would be the opposite situation. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mini: Wifi Slot?; IR Receiver?; Choice of DVDRW?; Max Memory?
On May 11, 1:05 pm, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Peter, the Acard product, such as the 7720U let's one put a newer IDE device such as a new IDE hard drive into an older computer equipped with a SCSI interface. So, for example, one can put a 750GB PATA drive into an old SE/30 on the SE/30's SCSI bus. This would be the opposite situation. Gawd, you're SO right. I don't know what I was thinking about. I guess needed another cup of coffee to wake up. Here I was, looking at my ACARD 7720UW and I was thinking completely backwards. Thanks for setting me straight! No problem. I've been on the confused side often enough. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
On May 9, 8:38 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 3, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: I have one too and want to get a DVD drive (superdrive) so I can make dvd movies, what do I need? I have the 512 Mb 10.4/10.5. Do I require more memory to cut a dvd? What superdrive do you think would be good and where and cost. Any ATA DVD +/- R/RW will work, even dual layer ones, in 10.4 you may need to use Patchburn to get the OS to recognize it fully. Get it from the usual sources: Geeks.com,. newegg.com, Frys electronics (online or in person if there's one nearby), etc. PATA DVDRW drives are getting hard to find. They're not gone yet, but they almost are. Newegg still had an LG or Samsung model for about $22 a week ago or so. It's been on sale twice in the last three weeks, so I suspect they're trying to clear inventory. If you want a Pioneer DVR-118LBK (last of the Pioneer brand PATA DVDRW) drives), the cheapest source I've found is http:// store.overstock-king.com/product_info.php?products_id=234 at about $30. Most other places are either out of stock or want well over $50 for them. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).
On Apr 26, 5:35 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Hey look! 8-) it's sn0w1ng Macintoshes outside! is AS SECURE as anything RPG will generate, because while it's true that a truly random password string is more secure against cracking, the passphrase chosen is secure enough. And more importantly, I NEVER need to write it down The bestest, mostest random password RPG will ever give you is USELESS if the method of cracking in doesn't involve cracking the password, but a social engineering attack, a MITM attack, a keylogger, etc. Far too many people fetishize long, random passwords as teh shizzle of computer security, when they're not (and there's not a whole lot of evidence that they've been all that good at preventing compromise in the first place, mainly because of the human element). Yep. From my user perspective -- every time a system forces me to have a long randomized password, it guarantees that I have written it down on a little yellow sticky somewhere.If it forces me to change passwords every few weeks, it triples the likelihood that the password is scribbled down somewhere next to one of my desks. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G4 questions
On Apr 26, 6:01 pm, Dan Ziegler d.ziegle...@gmail.com wrote: Ralph, this hard disk was pretty easy to get to: I just removed the motherboard, and the disks were right there in a caddy. See xlr8 your mac's page here:http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/iMac_g4/imacg4_takeapart.html - it's helpful. And while you're in there, you can update the internal DIMM to 512MB, so that the machine can be taken to 1GB of RAM if you like... Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G4 questions
On Apr 24, 6:14 pm, Dan Ziegler d.ziegle...@gmail.com wrote: I have recently bought an iMac G4 (iLamp) off craigslist-it's the original 17 model (800 MHz, SDRAM, 80 GB). Just an aside, as your main questions have already been addressed by others... There were two extremely similar models of 800MHz G4, 17 iLamp. The first one will boot into OS 9.2. The second one will not.It's a bit like the difference between a regular MDD and a FW800 MDD, except harder to tell apart. Yours is probably the first model, as it came with an 80GB hard drive, and the later, OSX only model, came with a 60GB hard drive. But hard drives can be changed. The clear distinguishing characteristic is that the OS 9 booting model has NVIDIA GeForce4 MX graphics and the OSX only model has NVIDIA GeForce2 MX graphics. Probably not important to you, but a bit of iLamp trivia which is easy to overlook. Most of the folks selling them on Ebay don't seem to know which model they have, or even that there are two nearly identical models with such a significant difference in capabilities. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Using HD 128GB in G4 Macs!
On Apr 8, 10:27 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: PCI-ATA cards have been and are pricey $60-100 and more for cards with greater functionality. The Acard 6280M is available on Ebay for $30 with free shipping. The Acard 6880M is $40. (No knowledge of, nor relationship with the sellers.)Both of those provide bootable drives in OS 7.6.x up through at least 10.4.x. I'm not sure about the 10.5 support. The nice thing about the 6880M (not the 6280M) is that a RAID created on that card is available both when one boots in Classic and when one is booted from X. If you use OSX's RAID facilities the RAID volumes are only available in X. It's cheaper to go SATA. In the long run, this is definitely true. PATA drives are end-of- life and the capacity never went past 750GB. With 2 TB SATA drives regularly hitting $80 and below, it's hard to beat SATA. Mac Sales PCI-IDE card, $80 PCI-SATA card, $74 IDE 160Gb, $58 SATA 160Gb, $48 Note that Newegg has recertified Seagate and Western Digital 80 GB PATA drives for about $30 after shipping. That knocks the price way down and won't need a card to access the whole capacity. Of course, if you need more capacity, it's no good, but if one simply needs a working PATA drive replacement at the lowest price possible, it is probably a good way to go. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: No boot G4 MDD?
On Mar 4, 7:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I'm dealing with a PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25 it's a solid daily driver. 2 GB RAM 2 HDDs 2 optical drives. The machine stopped booting after the installation of an aftermarket CPU fan, Doesn't make too much sense being the wires are the same. This is overly obvious, but is the new fan turning properly? I've seen machines with cooling issues which would boot only so far and then crash as the CPU reached some temperature point beyond which it could not operate properly. Do you still have the old fan? If so, try swapping it back in and see if the problem remains. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
On Feb 23, 9:49 am, Bruce - in Orlando bhossfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: Not true. I direct your attention to:http://lowendmac.com/musings/07/0522.html Also, I should note that the ebay auction stated: Applies to Following Computers: Power Macintosh G3 (Blue White) and Power Mac G4 (all models) not that I would put a lot of faith in what an ebay ad description says ... Look again, Bruce. The text you quote is for the software that accompanies the upgrade. The actual compatibility list is as follows: === Compatible Macintosh Models • Power Mac G4 (Digital Audio) • Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2001) • Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2002 ) It's easy to get confused, but in general, upgrades for the earlier G4 models do not work in the MDD. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Do not understand how to send html emails on my G4 Mac
On Feb 22, 6:27 pm, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: Do not understand how to send html emails I keep getting them and now I need to send one or so. How do you do this on my G4 10.4 using yahoo etc. There is *NEVER* a need to send html emails. Send plain text. If you must refer to some kind of web page content, include a URL to an actual web page. Don't cram the content into the email. I delete html emails and never view them as html. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
On Feb 19, 5:47 pm, Bruce - in Orlando bhossfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: So the idea of tricking out my MDD before I give up on it just seems like more fun than tossing the old gal and moving on to an Intel Mac. There will be plenty of time for that. NOT that I'm necessarily ready to pay $266 + $20 shipping ... I believe that the upgrade which the original poster linked to does not support the MDD. At least, the item description seemed to list all the G4s except the MDD. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD ATX mods
On Feb 19, 8:53 pm, Brielle br...@2mbit.com wrote: If I could find a source for the proper molex connectors to plug into the G4 mobo, it would be even easier to build the kits. Which connectors does the G4 Logic Board use? Are the Mini-Fit Jr. connectors as they've used on earlier machines? If so, most of those are available from Digi-Key. For example: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll? Detailname=WM3709-ND See also: http://www.kennedybrandt.com/supermac_insider/support/ psconversion.html for an example of a power supply adapter for a different machine. However, I was wrong about the Mini-Fit BMI working in that application. I would think that the biggest challenge to doing a G4 power supply conversion, after the cable adapter, is the fact that the G4 power supply is kind of long and thin (IIRC). It's not a standard ATX box shape, is it? It would probably be helpful if you could identify a power supply with the needed shape. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Flashing Video Card for G5?
On Feb 2, 8:15 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Jeremiah Stevens wrote: How do you flash video cards for Mac? I have a beautiful Dual G5 and the original 64MB card isn't doing it justice. Any links to a good tutorial site or video? or even a list of instructions with your method? Thanks! The best possible video card for an AGP PowerMac AFAIK is the nVidia GeForce 7800 512MB with 5.70 BIOS, and then you'll have to flash it to Mac. They're expensive, around $100 I think? Here's a flash guide:http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-geforce-7800 What ever happend to the The Mac Elite Forums? There was a link there, either in the FAQ and Wiki or in the Strange Dogs archive, in one of the posts to a wonderful page listing all (?) of the various GPUs down through the years and their various characteristics and relative performance (or at least, bandwidth). I never bookmarked the page, because I was always able to get to it through that link in the forums. Sigh. I've googled up other pages of GPU lists, but they're neither as good nor as comprehensive. The one I found there doesn't seem to come up easily in a Google search. BTW, is the ATI X800 not as good as the nVidia 7800? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Unstable PowerMac G4
On Jan 31, 6:42 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: I would get a new hard drive and do a clean install of 10.4, see if that fixes things. Another possible cause of freezes is for the CPU heat sink grease to have dried out between your CPU and the heat sink. I'm not saying that the evidence points that way, but it is a common problem (on machines older than the G4) and fairly easy to remedy.It could be that the G4s are reaching an age where this is starting to affect them. I've never seen the grey heat sink grease wear out though, only the whitish stuff. Still, I suppose it could happen. I fixed an awful lot of PM7100s by removing the heat sink, cleaning the CPU and the heat sink, applying a dab of new heat sink grease and replacing the heat sink. Might be worth taking a look under the heat sink. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
On Jan 24, 8:58 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I learned this THE HARD WAY, I actually BOUGHT FW800 enclosures expecting them to be TWICE AS FAST as my old FW400 enclosures, but when I TESTED THEM, they were the SAME SPEED, not because they're not CAPABLE of twice as fast, but because you'd need a RAID of multiple HDs to saturate the connection. This whole 1.5 Gbps or 3.0 Gbps thing for individual HDs is 100% hype. No single HD can sustain anything near that rate. Mechanical LATENCY is the reason. It doesn't matter how fast the electronics can move bits when the mechanical parts can't move equally as fast. grinning I learned this exact same lesson in the mid-90s. On Nubus machines... I finally had a PPC NuBus machine (8100 clone) and a I got the holy grail of interface cards, the FWB Jackhammer Fast Wide SCSI card. I had an assortment of ST32550 drives, some N (narrow, 50 pin) and some W (wide, 68 pin). The 32550 was the latest, fastest Barracuda from Seagate and was amongst the very first 7200 RPM drive available. A single ST32550W on the JackHammer really didn't provide any better performance than a single ST32550N on the built-in busses, even though the specifications say 20MB/s vs. 10MB/s. What! But it should be so much faster! Then I built a RAID of four ST32550W on the JackHammer. I got maybe 8MB/s actual performance out of it.It was actually faster to have a RAID of two ST32550W drives than it was to have four of them. I ultimately found that the fastest RAID was two ST32550Ws on the JackHammer, one ST32550N on the built-in Fast SCSI bus, and one ST32550N on the built-in non-Fast bus. That got me about 12MB/s or twice what a single drive could deliver. Anyway, point is, sure the electronics could do 20 MB/s (maybe) but the drives back then could only output maybe 6 MB/s each and as one tried to gang those up in a RAID, inefficiencies in the infrastructure ate up a lot of the potential performance. Of course, drives today are almost ten times faster (more than?) but the principles haven't changed a bit.A 133 MB/s interface doesn't matter one wit, if the drive can only deliver 70MB/s of data. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
On Jan 22, 3:58 pm, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Cyberguys also has 2.5 drives, but all of the drives in this size, IDE/ATA and SATA, are 5400 RPM. The 2.5IDE/ATA drives are Western Digital and come in 80GB ($57), 160GB ($72) and 250GB ($88) capacities. Micro Center stocks WD ATAs in up to and including 320 GB. Micro Center's price on 320s is about $100 ... their price on 160s is about $65. Amazon offers the 5400RPM WD 320GB 2.5 drive for $90 with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-2-5-Inch-Notebook-WD3200BEVE/dp/ B001SQH1DY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=miscellaneousqid=1295905894sr=8-1 I think I found it one or two other places for about $10 less, but the other places seemed to be offering OEM drives which did not include Western Digital's 3 year warranty. The item description for this drive on Amazon's site claims it has the WD warranty, so even if WD doesn't honor it, one could complain to Amazon. I'm pretty sure there was a 500GB 2.5 PATA drive from WD for a little while, but no one seems to have stock any more. Unless WD announced it and never shipped it? I bought one (the 320GB) for my G4 Mini, but I have not installed it yet. It's going to cause a cascade of upgrades which I'm not quite ready for yet. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Appleworks problem
On Jan 20, 8:51 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: That's nothing. I have MS Word docs from 20 years ago that MS Word 2011 does not open. File formats change ... just be glad you're not NASA and have to decipher 45 year old data tapes starting by reconstructing the tape mechanism BEFORE trying to decipher the data! Hmm, sounds like Binary, been there;-) I'm a CNC programmer. Still have 5.25 floppy's from my IIe. Not too hard to deal with, but the NASA tapes likely encode characters using EBCDIC instead of ASCII. Unless there was something even more obscure that predated EBCDIC. When I was at NASA in the 80s, and needed to read data on tapes, it was in EBCDIC because up to that point, NASA was an IBM house as far as computers went. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
On Jan 6, 12:18 pm, ben64sm...@googlemail.com ben64sm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 11:12 am, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: On Jan 4, 11:50 pm, Todd - ttoo...@gmail.com wrote: How do you open the primary drive in OS9? Jeff Walther Try CMD-e or F12 (hold the function key down for 2 seconds) Or use the free Eject app on the os-9 CD (this may only be on 9.2.1 or higher), Applications (Mac OS 9) - Apple Extras - Eject Extras Ah, thank you, Ben. That looks like the stuff. I'm a might embarrassed I never noticed the Eject Extras folder before... When I get home I'll look for it and it will probably be laughing at me. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
On Jan 6, 1:42 am, yawg yaw...@gmail.com wrote: If all else fails just start Toast and choose the optical drive to open or close. Or at system startup keep the mouse button down and all drives will open IIRC. Or just make sure there's always a disk in the drive. But it seems to me that Apple must have provided something more elegant. No? Is it true that Apple built these machines which can boot into OS9 but made no provision at all for opening an empty optical drive? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
On Jan 4, 11:50 pm, Todd - ttoo...@gmail.com wrote: Same with me and my dual 1.25 MDD I already had the latest update fan works fine on Leopard but cycles on OS 9 also have two DVD drives with no way to open the secondary drive in OS 9 other than to always leave media in it so I can drag it to the trash. How do you open the primary drive in OS9? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
There are two things I'd like to make booting OS 9 on my MDDs really usable, but I'm not even sure if they exist. The first is a utility to open and close the optical drive trays. The second is a utility or extension to control the fan speed. This need not be user control, automated control of the type that works under OSX would be fine. The issue is that the fan seems to go to maximum speed when the system is booted up under OS9. Anyone know of such utilities for the MDD under OS9? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
Greg Kennedy wrote: Assuming you've already installed the 4.4.8 firmware update? http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1179?viewlocale=en_US It says it offers The Power Mac G4 Firmware Update 4.4.8 improves fan control behavior and reduces high speed fan cycling when running in Mac OS 9. You can apparently also get it through Software Update when running OS 9. Ah, thank you. I will give that a try. If that works, that will just leave some way to open the optical drive doors under OS9. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How Do MS Office Licenses Work?
Thank you, folks. I think I have the information I need. Also, thank you for the alternative suggestions. I will download them and give them a try as well. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
How Do MS Office Licenses Work?
I am thinking about purchasing a used copy of MS Office 2004 for my MDD, however, I'm wondering how the licenses work. I've heard that on some MS products, (Windows?) the machine actually must connect to the internet and register the license with MS and then the license is stuck to that particular hardware (by MAC address?) and one cannot use any other machines with that license. So two questions. Are they using a similar scheme with Office 2004 for the Mac? Wouldn't that make a used copy of office pretty useless, if true? Of course, I may have misunderstood the whole thing. Kind of hoping I have. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beating a dead horse? - Flashing PC video cards for a Power Mac
On Dec 6, 12:58 am, Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org wrote: On 12/5/10 12:03 PM, Clark Martin wrote: The type of RAM probably only indicates the version of the card. The usual problem with flashing a card with Mac firmware is that the flash ROM isn't big enough to take the Mac firmware. To which I have seen reduced ROM's as the 'solution' to this, which sometimes works, sometimes not. Right now, the best idea seems to be looking at what is left of the wiki's and info from the various sites and see if I can get lucky and find one of the confirmed working cards on ebay or some place similar. Well, you can always replace the Flash chip. The things are just 8 pin SOICs, which are a little awkward to work with, but really not that difficult. And they cost about $2 each. Once you have one of large enough capacity on board, flash it with whatever firmware will do the trick. When modifying the R7000 I used to pre-program the Flash chips with a chip programmer before soldering them on. That bypassed the entire flashing process, or at least ensured that I could flash them on a Mac without any hassles. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue
On Dec 2, 1:20 am, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: As for danger, I seriously doubt it's that dangerous. I suppose you are sort of opening up a CRT monitor, which can be dangerous, just stay away from the components in the actual CRT, and if you are worried about it, I'm sure there are measures that can be taken in order to drain any electricity from the CRT before you work on it. Most (all?) CRT flybacks since the late 80s have a built in bleeder circuit to drain off the CRT charge after the system is powered down. I strongly doubt that there is any electrical shock danger from an unplugged eMac. Also, while the voltage is high, the current and available power is tiny. You'd have to be fantastically unlucky to be injured even if you were to touch a charged CRT. The *only* time I've been shocked by a CRT was when I went to discharge an old Mac 512K. Trying to avoid being shocked by discharging the CRT is the exact thing which caused me to be shocked. Better to just stay away from the CRT/flyback connection rather than attempt to discharge it. And that shock, it was uncomfortable, but hardly injurious. Then again, I've been electrocuted by wall current more times than I count and the only time it had any effect beyond discomfort was the one time I got a 220V jolt from the mains on an electric water heater. That did knock be back a bit. So maybe I just have some of relation to Uncle Fester. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD Functionality for Beige G3
On Nov 17, 1:58 am, James Chapel dragnero...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to some research, I seemed to have significantly narrowed down my options. 1. IDE or SCSI DVD-ROM drive 2. SCSI DVD drives require Intech's CD/DVD Speed Tools drivers 3. ATI Rage 128 Pro* or higher video card 4. At least a G3 400mhz upgrade card for usable performance The *very* edge. This leaves the Bordeaux card and Apple DVD Player 1.x (Apple's update archives seem to indicate that 1.1 was the last version of this). Unless anyone has any input for/against the Bordeaux option (let alone has one, I sure haven't seen many around), I'll probably be opting for it over software decoding, because performance would likely be too close for comfort. If you have a PCI slot available, consider a Wired4DVD card. This was a hardware decoder for OS9 which worked very well indeed. If I had a round tuit I could make you one out of a ReelMagic card, but I just don't have the time, so you'd need to check the usual suspects. BTW, I think xlr8yourmac.com did a review of the Wired4DVD and it shoudl still be in their articles archive, in case you'd like more info on the card. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Nov 2, 2:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I've never liked Western Digital's stuff, I had a round of lemons from them back in the 90s. Every drive manufacturer sells a round of lemons at some point. Maxtor made some 120 MB (that's MB, not GB) drives that failed just out of their one year warranty fifteen years ago. We had forty of them at my office at the time. IBM had the Death stars (Deskstar). Seagates 1.5 TB drives may qualify, and check out the feedback on their low-end 2 GB drive at Newegg. Of course, one doesn't know if those hundreds of failures are out of 2000 or 200,000 sold I'm sure Hitachi has had a lemon at some point, but I've only ever had one or two of their drives, so I missed it. I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD Won't Boot from OS 9.2.2
Continuing this old thread from May of 2008 I am reduced to using Google Groups for my access, so I can't reply directly to that thread, but hopefully using the same subject will thread it together. When last we left the MDD in my office, I had 9.2.2 booting (thanks again, Kris) by adding the Mac OS ROM 9.5.1 file. However, I had a problem where QuickTime 6.0.3 seemed to be hanging the computer at the desktop after the drive volumes appeared. The mouse cursor would move, but I couldn't click or select anything. Playing the divide-extensions-in-half game seemed to indicate that the problem was caused by QuickTime. Last night I was trying to get my Seagate Extreme 1.5 terabyte drive to not be dead and somehow digressed over to the 9.2.2 booting problem for the first time in a couple of years. At the desktop freeze I happened to hit cmd-opt-esc and the message I received was Force ATI Video Accelerator to quit? Aha, a clue. I put Quicktime back in, took the ATI extension named above out, and it boot up fine. However, a little more searching indicated that ATI Video Accelerator actually does something (not sure what) useful. So a little more searching and it turned out that there was a more recent version. The OS install + updates that got me to 9.2.2 had installed ATI Video Accelerator 4.8.5, but 4.8.7 appears to be the latest version. So I found the ATI OS 9 Mac Software Update from January 2005 and installed that, replacing my older components. After that I was able to boot up with both QuickTime and the ATI Video Accelerator enabled, without issues. IIRC this MDD has a Radeon 9000 installed and that may play a part as well. Perhaps the ones with an Nvidia card would not experience this problem. So that problem solved. And interestingly, all the missing/newer components (except ATI components) needed to make an MDD work seem to be present on the iMac G4/800 (the OS9 bootable one, not the later OSX only G4/800) standard installation. Next problem: No sound in 9.2.2. Adjusting the volume in the Sound CP causes the CP to visually flash and the volume goes back to zero, but no sound. After more google searching, I did a side by side comparison of the MDD extensions folder and the iMac G4/800 (iLamp) extensions folder. Teh Sound Manager was newer on the MDD, but the Apple Audio Extension was 1.x.x (1.5.1?) on the MDD and 2.x.x (IIRC) on the iMac. So I dragged everything sound related with a newer version number over to the MDD. Files I looked at included Apple Audio Extension, Sound Manager, SoundSproketLib, SoundSprocket Filter, Sound Manager, SoundSpace2Lib, and USBSoundSpace2Driver. After a reboot, I then had sound. If anyone is interested I'll try to get an extensions manager listing when I'm at home. So, the MDD seems to be pretty functional at this point with 9.2.2. I'm rather happy at solving these two issues, as this has been weighing in the back of mind for two years as one of the projects I should get to some day before the computer goes out of service, although honestly, my partner, Diane, never boots into Classic, so I'm not sure why I care that much. There are two issues left that I am aware of: 1) How do I get the %^#$%#$ DVD drive open? The keyboard function keys don't work in OS 9.2.2 and the keyboard shortcut for Eject only works if there is already a disk in the drive. 2) The Apple DVD Player software reports some kind of inability to work, but is unspecific as to the cause. I hope this helps other and thanks for any suggestions on the final two problems. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 3:21 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: The card I got WAS OHCI but still not 2.0, despite the website saying OHCI. The box it came in said Supports USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 devices at full speed so I don't hold We Love Macs 100% responsible. Yet after a number of calls and emails, their site isn't clear that this card is not really 2.0. The card is made by Macally, Part number UH-241, for what it's worth. I repeat, buyer beware. The best thing to do when buying a USB card is identify a chipset which does what you want it to do and then find a card with that chipset on it. This minimizes (but does not completely eliminate) the possibility of such unfortunate surprises. The trick, then, is to find the proper chipset. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: latest mac mini for 10.4.11
On Aug 24, 1:14 am, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: We are not all old cooks who don't want to buy a new computer. I just recently bought a PC tower, but still use my Mac, and actually like it more. We're Kooks. We may also be cooks, but us old farts who prefer out of date computers are kooks. Also: Hey you kids! Get off my lawn! Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: latest mac mini for 10.4.11
On Aug 23, 6:53 am, MnDel dsmn...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love jumping to 10.5 or 10.6 - but I have enough docs in Pagemill and Appleworks that the jump looks like a bloomin big mountain to climb. Reading this guide to using OS9 apps on Intel macs puts me right off my feed.http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20060509180914879 So if it really is just unworkable am I stuck with only going to a G4 mini? No, you just need to find install disks for a 2007 Mac Mini. Or buy a used Mini of the proper vintage which includes the original disks. Such things do appear on Ebay, and posts to the LEM Swaplist can be productive too. I agree with the others, that if you can make it work, go with the latest and greatest. The newer Minis have dual monitor support which is really nice (unless you don't use dual monitors). On the other hand, when Apple added dual monitor support in 2009, they took away the CPU socket. The earlier models have the interesting ability to swap their CPUs just by buying the appropriate Intel processor and dropping it in the socket. Neither of those feature may matter to you, but it's a trade off between the 2007 and earlier (single monitor, socketed CPU) and the 2009 and later (dual monitor, soldered CPU) Minis. I have an Intel Tiger install disk I'd happily part with, but I have no idea if it will install on a Mini. I bought the little white accessory box that included a remote control and it came with the install media as well, but I think it's from an Intel iMac, not a Mini. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: we don't need no stinkin' adapters!
Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: You'll find that Molex, and AMP too, recommend against soldering those crimp terminals. The high temperature and solder blobs interfere with the flexibility of the metal and the mating force of the connectors after assembly. Use a crimp tool! Thats what's nice about the push-on style... So share already! Tell us about the push-on connectors and the source for them which you found. After reading your question, I examined some of hte SATA power connectors I have here and they all look like a solid plastic housing (molded in two halves which are sealed together) with wires emerging from them. Most power connectors are housings with removable pins. One crimps the appropriate pins onto the ends of the wires, and then inserts the pins into the housing in order to create teh complete connector without any soldering, splicing, nor wire nuts. But these SATA power connectors don't seem to follow that paradigm and it's made me curious. So you asked about htis in a public forum. It's only fair that you share the answer you found. :-) Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
On Jul 25, 12:31 pm, Eric Herbert goo...@hillcotechnology.com wrote: On Jul 25, 2010, at 12:16 PM, ah...clem wrote: That said, getting back to the OT and in regards to the OP, for the things he wants to do, it seems like a better use of time, space, and financial resources to get a computer the size of a CD wallet that will do everything he wants to do and more. Plus, the original poster said that he wants to run MythTV and the MythTV group just got it running properly on the 2010 Mac Mini. It is discussed in the MythTV User email list. The only disadvantage to a Mini as MythTV back end is that it won't hold a bunch of drives, and there's no room for internal tuner cards. However, if one is using something like the HD Homerun tuner (TV tuners with USB or Ethernet interfaces) then the tuner card issue isn't. And the NewerTech MiniStack makes a very nice external hard drive case which stacks perfectly under a mini, although, I think I might put some little rubber feet on the bottom of each device to provide a little more air space in between. Honestly, if the main purpose of a computer is to run MythTV under Ubuntu, why not just build a PC out of PC parts in a nice PC case? Something like the Antec 2480 is a beautiful HTPC case but with not a lot of room for drives. If one wants terabytes and terabytes something like the Antec P183 or even the Antec Twelve Hundred might be a good choice. And when it's all said and done, it will still probably cost less than that used G5. Two years ago I built a MythTV box based on an MSI logic board, Intel 7200 Core 2 Duo and an Antec P180 case. I think it all cost me less than $600, including four tuner cards, but not including hard drives. I did find some good sales including an in store special on the case at Frys. One of these days I might even find the time to actually install Mythbuntu. Sigh. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: plain text please
Dan wrote: Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL SUPPORT, not pretty animated icon cutsie email chatty please pass the nail polish. I don't speak for the other techies on these lists... but wading thru HTML-based emails, just like TOP POSTED and UNTRIMMED messages, is a WASTE of my time. My time is very limited. I can view a couple of pretty emails, and get lost in all the formatting added by each replier, and botched along the way... Or I can quickly go thru whole threads of well-formatted plain text - and provide technical answers. Remember the part about the purpose of these lists Frankly, if you're dying to send pretty messages then go find a service that's Forum based. Myself, I'll continue to hit cmd-D as soon as I open a gaudy POS HTML email on these groups. I agree with Dan. I do not provide nearly as much help as he does, but if I must wade through html garbage, I will not even bother to read the list any more. What does HTML really gain anyone in email? As far as I can tell it is purposeless. Plain text is perfectly suited to email. There is absolutely zero reason html should even be supported in emails except the stupidity of whichever email client programmer first added it in a fit of moronic feature creep. And you are much more secure if you refuse to interpret html in email messages. My clients will never be allowed to interpret html. Some have called plain text outmoded. I say rather it was field tested. Folks on the internet spent a couple of decades establishing that well edited quoted text, bottom posting and plain text work most efficiently to facilitate clear communications. Some times old stuff is also stuff that was actually wisely established and it is old because it works really really well. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAID 1 on USB2 Drives?
On Jul 14, 12:40 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I'm really hoping that somebody chimes in on this because I have the same question. Software RAID works on any matched pair of HDs, internal, external, whatever you have. Mirroring is mirroring, so this means if you screw up the software so that it won't boot, the mirror will also be screwed up. This should not be an issue, as the only thing on the mirrors will be the iTunes music folder (assuming iTunes still let's one choose the location.) The OS and apps will still be on the Mini's internal drive, and if it gets hosed, it is easily restored from the original disks. Apple's official solution to backup is Time Machine, which has the advantage of going backwards in time to get to a state that was known good. Theoretically this makes a Time Machine backup more robust and preferable to a mirror RAID backup. Time Machine requires Leopard. Thank you for the information. I will want to come up with some removable back up strategy as well, but Time Machine isn't it. I'm considering BDR. The blanks are down to about $1 each now. DVDR is still cheaper in $/GB, but one needs about six times as many disks. Sigh. I *liked* DAT, but the capacity is just too small now and the newer higher capacity stuff is too expensive still. Maybe I'll start a backup thread later. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAID 1 on USB2 Drives?
On Jul 14, 12:43 pm, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: All, I got interested so I started googling. Here's something that I found that may or may not be helpful: http://66.49.144.193/C2011481421/E20060221212020/index.html Ah, good link. Thank you. That was just what I wanted to know. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best DVD burners?
On Jul 12, 9:53 pm, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: I wish I could hit on the magic combination. I get tired having to watch the DVDs on a set top to be sure they play OK. They almost always play right on the Mac, Any info on a LaCie? or are they in name only? The problem may be with your set top box, not with your DVD writer. Many AV equipment DVD players, especially older ones, do not play recordable DVD's very well. I think the media is less reflective or some such and they have trouble picking up the signal. My older Toshiba DVD player will play recordable media until the player gets hot. After about four hours powered on, it starts having errors and video artifacts, with recordable media. My somewhat newer CyberHome player plays just about anything. The still newer Toshiba in the living room doesn't have any problems with recordable media either. But that first oldest player is right on the edge of being able to play recordable disks. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RAID 1 on USB2 Drives?
Does the Mac OS X included RAID feature work with USB2 external drives? Would it be usable (not too slow). I'm building a home music server out of a G4 Mac Mini running Tiger and was going to get one external 2 GB drive to sit under it in a MiniStack case, but then I started thinking about back up, and realized I might like to run mirrored drives. So I could add a second drive and MiniStack and just make the stack a little higher, but I've never done RAID on anything but internal drives. I think it should work, but I'm not sure. Does it work? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best DVD burners?
On Jul 13, 3:10 pm, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: I'd stay away from Lacie as per reviews and/or compatibility and simply the astronomical price. Why LaCie anyway? Mike 15 years ago they had a top notch reputation. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 8, 5:59 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I'm with you on this Bruce, so when I got home I opened up my two Iomega 320 shirt drives and to my surprise if found two of them loaded with questionable Seagate Momentus HDDs so if one takes a dump like the article says may happen more so than the Iomega drive who do I call?Ghost Busters?. What is questionable about the Momentus drives? My partner just had a Seagate 320GB Go Drive fail on her -- just clicks when I hook it up. So hoping it was a problem with the USB interface and not the drive, I opened it up and attached it to a different enclosure. I was able to recover all the data, but the thing wouldn't sustain a transfer larger than about a gigabyte. Oh, a couple of times I got lucky and managed three or four at a time. I'm not sure if that's the drive having problems, or the fact that I had it hooked up to a parallel ATA enclosure through a SATA-PATA adapter. The parallel enclosure has been solid with parallel drives, performing 50 - 400 GB transfers without hiccough. Anyway, I'm curious if these drives have a poor reputation, as I usually favor Seagate drives, but I recognize that every company makes a turkey every so often. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 1:26 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:47 AM -0700 7/8/2010, t...@io.com wrote: By freezing/lock up, it doesn't lock up the computer. The copy just stops progressing and the drive stops responding. The host computer is fine. And when that happens, what error messages are being thrown in the system log? OS X rarely does anything quietly. *Always* check the logs! Dan, thanks for the suggestion. That is an interesting question. Unfortunately, I am quite unskilled with OSX. Back in the day I was accomplished with the various pre-X operating systems, but I've never had the time and interest to do all the magazine and book reading and fiddling to acquire the same skills in X. Anyway, that's all a long way of saying: where do I find the system log? Would it make sense to check it in a terminal window? I'm a reasonable Unix user (nothing resembling a Unix administrator though). Does the Unix on OSX have vi? How far back does the log go? Should I bring up the log and then induce the error or can I check back a week to see the old error? Thank you. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 2:52 pm, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: That's the good. The not-so-good: Even though the fan speed can be adjusted somewhat, my only dislike is cooling fan noise, which they all have. Blessedly, my v3 turns off the fan when the drive isn't being used. That helps. But when the drive is being used on my MiniStacks, the cooling fan is the noisiest thing on my desktop. I'm talking a multi-function printer/etc., a couple of Intel iMacs, non-fan cooled external drives, a NewerTech SATA Voyager, and various and sundry Macs being refurbished also running at the same time. I *always* notice when the MiniStack cooling fan/fans are running. YMMV. Thank you to all who replied. It sounds like reliability won't be a problem, but noise might be. I guess I'll just have to try it out to see if the noise is an issue or not. While it is true that the fan is doing its job, a different case design might not need as much fan activity to provide cooling. So other enclosures could probably be quieter, but also take up more space. The ministack case concept is kind of thermally challenged from the get-go. But the tiny footprint is seductive. I recently bought a G4 Mac Mini to use as my iTunes server for the house. I have a bunch of Roku Sound Bridges. The Mini's internal 2.5 PATA options just aren't going to be quite big enough. I bought the Mini so that the server won't use much space, so it would kind of defeat the goal if the external storage take up a lot of space. On the other hand, I'd like it to be unobtrusive in the noise department as well... Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 2:21 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I believe they suggested a particular partitioning scheme to forego any issues with size ... IIRC, less than 1TB for the largest. May have changed with a later firmware. Got it from owcomputing on or about August 2009. Hmmm. I was planning to put a 2 TB drive in the thing. Anyone know if this is still an issue? Perhaps it will say on Newer Tech's site... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 9, 10:07 am, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: On Jul 8, 2:21 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I believe they suggested a particular partitioning scheme to forego any issues with size ... IIRC, less than 1TB for the largest. May have changed with a later firmware. Got it from owcomputing on or about August 2009. Hmmm. I was planning to put a 2 TB drive in the thing. Anyone know if this is still an issue? Perhaps it will say on Newer Tech's site... Nope, nothing I could find either under Product or under Support (checked the manual) on their site. I'm going to assume that isn't an issue any more, I guess. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Online backup ??
On Jul 8, 8:48 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Check out Newegg i've been getting Hitachi 2TBs for $109. 00 about once a month whwn they throw a deal. My PM G5 has five of them. They have the Seagate LP ST32000542AS 2TB drive for $110 right now, but it has pretty terrible reviews.Then again, it also has the most reviews and folks with a bad experience are much more likely to review that folks with a good experience. So, I wonder, does this drive have an exceptional failure rate, or has Newegg just sold so many of them that they've managed to drum up a few score failures in the normal course of events? Generally, I like Seagates, because I assume that if they're giving a five year warranty, and every return blows their profit on one or two drives, then they'll put a little more effort into quality control. However, this particular model only has the three year warranty. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 10:35 am, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:51 AM, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: My partner just had a Seagate 320GB Go Drive fail on her -- just clicks when I hook it up. Was the drive inside the enclosure actually a Seagate drive? It was a Seagate 320GB 2.5 SATA mechanism inside the Seagate Go drive enclosure. I don't remember if it was a Momentus (does Seagate have another 2.5 line?) or not. But it is definitely a Seagate mechanism in this case. With external drives that are powered from the USB bus it's always a good idea to make sure that it is not a power issue. My Seagate Go will not attach if I use a USB cable that is too long, but so long as I use a short cable it still seems to work fine. Yes. When she proudly brought the thing home from CostCo I'm afraid I was a bit undiplomatic. Rather than admiring it, I skeptically asked, Does it have an external power supply. and scowled when it turned out it did not. We do use USB hubs with external power supplies, so that should mitigate some, but she also hooked the thing up to her (Windows) laptop at work. Still, if the only problem was power, I would think it would have worked on one of the machines we tried it on, especially since it worked on them in the past. Sounds like you had that covered though since you removed the drive and powered it from an external supply, yes? Yes, the PATA enclosure I hooked it to was a 3.5 external PATA enclosure (actually a USB/Enet-NAS) with its own power supply. The only fly in the ointment was making the adaptation from the enclosure's PATA to the drive's SATA connections. But I already had an either-direction PATA-SATA adapter on hand, which I had never tried out. I assume the Seagate Go was out of warranty? Because if Seagate can determine you opened it up they probably would refuse to replace it under warranty. I believe the Seagate Go's have a five year warranty, not three. Nope. It's still in warranty. We discussed this before I opened it up. The possibility of retrieving her data (several years of photos) was worth far more than the warranty replacement on the drive. I'm still going to seal it back up and send it in. If they refuse, I'm out some postage. I am a little puzzled that I was able to retrieve the data. I felt certain that the clicking was a drive failure. But perhaps, as you suggest, the drive simply wasn't able to draw enough power from the USB bus any more. I guess if the power was marginal to begin with and some component degraded a bit (perhaps the drive mechanicals need a little more power with age...) then that would cause the drive to fail in the Go enclosure and work outside of it. That doesn't explain why the drive freezes at around 1 GB of file copies. But that could be the cheap PATA-SATA adapter I'm using for the recovery. Or it could be a failure in the drive of some sort, I suppose. The drive isn't secured to the enclosure I have it rigged on now. The funny thing is, that when I first started the recovery process, it actually got through about 16 GB of data. Then I moved something in the rig and accidentally jiggled the rube goldberg assembly and then noticed that the transfer was frozen. I don't know if that made it freeze, or if it had already frozen. After that, I could never get it to transfer more than about 2 GB at a time, and so had to do the transfer by folders and subfolders. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 9, 12:54 pm, Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com wrote: In general they work for me, but I'm interested in the problem you report. Here's my version. I've been using the 1T drive mostly to boot from when doing AV big file stuff so that I'd have sufficient scratch disc space. Occasionally when booted from the (lets call it a 2.0 mini) things freeze up with the spinning ball. If I eject the 1T drive the problem disappears. Maybe an address problem or something. I'll have to remember to find the Log next time. If I remember to check the log files this weekend, I'll post about it in a new thread. This sounds like an issue which might be worth chasing in its own thread. if you beat me to it, why don't you start a new thread for it? Something along the lines of: USB Drive Losing Connection During Large Transfers or some such. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What 100/10 NIC to use in Beige G3 to support OS9/OSX Tiger
On Jul 9, 3:23 pm, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Gus wrote: I saw a few Apple 10/100 cards on ebay. I would think they would work without any problem in OS 9.2.2 but I am not sure about OS Tiger. Probably the best, most MacOS-compatible NIC out there is one based upon the R8169 gigabit E-net chip. Realtek even has an OS9 driver for it. The R8169 is native to MacOS X. And if you're lucky you can find the SIIG card which had a R8169 gigabit chip, NEC USB2.0 chip and TI firewire 400 chip (or did I get TI NEC backwards) all on the same card. :-) Let's see: SIIG Part #: JU-2NG011 When places were closing them out they were often available for under $30. I'm not sure if anyone ever got all three ports to work simultaneously, but when I look looking for drivers, I found the RealTek ones, and it is just as Peter writes. There are even drivers for OS 9. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: To the dump!
smac0031 wrote: Hello, I have just come into possession of 6 Mac Cpu's which are nearly identical with my DA G4. Anyway, how do you tell which models these are? From 2006: == Date: Sat, Jul 15 2006 11:17 am From: Len Gerstel On Jul 15, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: The only dumb question is the one not asked. I have had a Mac since a Lisa in 1989. It was a used one but I was hooked. I am seeing a lot MDD and other abbreviations. Does someone have a list of these abbreviations so I can understand what members are writing about. Please post here if you would. Please! Norm MDD stands for Mirror Drive Door, one of the PowerMac G4 series machines. Here is a rundown of the different machines. For other acronyms, there are many sites including acronyms.com. www.everymac.com will give you a good rundown of the differences between models, but hear is a quick rundown. The numbers following are the speeds in MHz the model was released with according to everymac. Beige-on this list refers to the first generation G3 machines in the same form factor as the 8600 (minitower, MT) and 7600 (desktop, DT) 233,266,300, 333 All of the following use the same basic case style, with internal differences BW Blue and White-the first New World Macs 100MHz bus speed G3 300, 350, 400, 450 Yikes-the first G4 tower released by Apple, basically a BW with a G4 zif, pci graphics and a grey and white case. The only real Road Apple G4 350 Sawtooth - The first G4s using 2x AGP graphics cards 350, 400, 450 Gigabit Ethernet-very similar to the Sawtooth, added faster ethernet and dual processors 400, 450 DP (dual processor), 500, 500 DP DA Digital Audio- upped the bus speed to 133MHz and upped the agp card slot to 4x. 466, 533, 533 DP, 667, 733 The case starts changing here, mostly the front panel. QS Quicksilver-Changed the front of the case to 2 oval bezels and allowed for the first time since the beige MT the installation of two 5 1/4 drives instead of one 5 1/4 and a zip. 733, 800, 800 DP, 867, 933, 1GHz DP MDD Mirror Drive Door-Upped the system bus to 167MHz and replaced the 2 oval bezels with 2 Mirrored rounded rectangle drive doors. also had 4 vent ports on the front for airflow. Early models had fan/airflow issues that gave them the nickname Windtunnel. Also, during the production run starting January 28, 2003, became the first Macs that would not boot into OS 9. 867 DP, 1GHz, 1GHz DP, 1.25GHz DP, 1.42GHz DP Then comes the G5. The case no official nickname, but affectionately called the Cheese Grater. Since the case did not change much during it's life span (all rumors point to WWDC in August as the end of the line for G based Macs), therefore there is no easy way to differentiate the variations. Because of that, it is difficult to tell whether the G5 1.8GHz you are looking at is the one from the middle of the line from the original G5 release or the speed starved entry level from the second generation just by looking at the case and processor speed. === I think I collected some more information on this topic before I settled on the MDD for my machine. A close reading of the Hardware Developer Notes (or probably everymac.com) for each model machine will show slight differences in things like number of RAM slots, number of PCI slots and types of PCI slots, making it possible to do a lot of distinguishing by careful examination of the logic board. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
Would anyone care to share their experiences with Newer Technology's MiniStack? Specifically version 2.5? I'm considering buying one, but I've occasionally run into a specific problem with external drive enclosures, and so I like to check others' experiences first. The problem I've seen with more than one enclosure is that they will lock up after some random amount of data transfer on large transfers. Yes, sleep is turned off, etc. Other enclosures with the same drive installed are fine, and when I have an enclosure with this problem, it happens on every computer in the house that has USB. For example, the cheap Venus USB/Firewire enclosure that Dealmac listed several years ago. As an aside, most of the enclosures that Dealmac reports which have really low prices turn out to be ones that have abysmal reviews. So, I'm careful now when buying a new enclosure. So how is the MIniStack 2.5? Does it do file copies which are tens or hundreds of gigabytes without stalling/freezing? By freezing/lock up, it doesn't lock up the computer. The copy just stops progressing and the drive stops responding. The host computer is fine. Thank you for any helpful or humorous responses. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
On Jun 15, 6:43 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? Prices are roughly what I have gleaned from the 'net. Acard AEC-6280M 2-Channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter : $70 US Mac OS8.5,OS9 and OSX Acard AEC-6293M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Acard AEC-6290M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Also the: AEC-6890M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter with built-in RAID capability. AEC-6880M 2-channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter with built in RAID capability. AEC-6895M 4-channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter with built in RAID capability. AEC-6885M 4-channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter with built in RAID capability. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 9:23 pm, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: t...@io.com wrote: Does the Mini still have support for only one monitor? If they'd add dual monitor support (the video chip almost certainly supports it), I'd buy one in an instant. I don't need slots, but I want dual monitor support. Jeff Walther It's had dual monitor support for over a year now! Wow. Thanks. Now I guess I need to look at the old model and the new model and compare. I can probably figure this out at everymac.com, but if someone knows off the top of their head... how many models have had dual monitor support? Are we talking one model a year ago and the new one now, or has there been another rev. in between? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 14, 11:38 pm, James Chapel dragnero...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but AFAIK every DVD card will be mounted in a video card already, there won't be any loose decoders floating around, and since EVERY Radeon card supports hardware DVD decoding, you're MUCH better off ditching the Rage 128 and getting a Radeon 7000. I see where you're coming from here, but having just spent the money on a graphics card that handles everything I'd ever want to throw at it, I really can't seem to justify getting another one just to play back DVDs. You could also get a Wired4DVD card. This would take up another PCI slot, but would be a very contemporary (with the Beige G3) solution, which gives excellent hardware decoded DVD playback. Might be a trick finding one, although last time I checked the manufacturer was selling some really old stock for $15. If you're using the Wings, since it shares VRAM with the onboard video, it's a really good idea to have the optional 4MB VRAM chip installed. Interesting that you mention that. In the Apple System Profile I noticed that the computer reports 4MB of VRAM. Working with the motherboard, I also noticed that the VRAM chip is labled as a 4MB module. I remember reading somewhere that the Rage II+ built into the Rev-A G3s comes with 2MB VRAM built-in, for a maximum of 6MB. Is the Apple System Profiler only reporting the additional VRAM installed? Can I add an additional 2MB chip somehow? It sure sounds like your module is 2 MB or has a bad RAM chip on board making it appear as 2 MB. Try removing it and see if the system reports your 2 MB on board properly. It might be worth using the built-in ethernet to free up a slot for a controller card, I've been having nothing but problems with that 10/100 Apple card I picked up. If I'm not able sort things out in the next couple of weeks, I may do just that. SIIG made a USB2/Firewire400/Gigabit Enet combo card. When they were being closed out they were going for under $30. I don't know if there are still any out there or not. That would certainly save some slots. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
James Chapel wrote: Probably. You can look at the numbers on the chips themselves and go to http://www.chipmunk.nl/dram/chipmanufacturers.htm to identify what you've got. KM4132G271BQ-10 ^^-^^^- Internal Organization: 32-271 = 256K x 32 (8M bit): check module size/ banks 32-512 = 512K x 32(16M bit): check module size/ banks Each chip is a 32-512, so 16Mbit / 8 bits in a byte = 2MB per chip x 2 chips = 4MB Odd that even after cleaning the contacts, the VRAM still totals 4MB. It looks like I might have to replace it... Do the chips on your module read KM4132G271BQ-10? or KM4132G512xx- xx? If the former, then they are 8 Mbit chips for a total of 2 MB of capacity. Samsung made three SGRAM chips in this line. The two listed above and the KM4132G112 which had a 32 Mbit capacity. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
