Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Hi Dark, thanks for your note! Well, with the way this technology is going, just wait a few minutes and I'll bet it will be in your price range! ;) Have a wonderful day and talk with you soon!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:51 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd consider cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Just to sort of close this particular thread maybe and merge it with the other, I'm considering the pros and cons of obtaining a 3d scanner printer as opposed to having molds cast. It's a tough call. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Decota. Well it's probably going to be a case of seeing what the thing costs, then letting us know how much and then seeing whether enough people would be interested at the price as you said. I'm not saying we should get the things for free, or even at the same price as people pay for their printed dice produced by games supply companies, however equally the fact that there is an alternative method of accessing gaming dice is a contributing factor. how all this works out however is not something we can really assess until you know the probable production costs plus any prophit margin, which is after all fair enough given your putting in the work (albeit perhaps not at the massive markup that most access companies get), which is indeed why i started quoting figures. Perhaps this is something you could check out and let us know? Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Right now, the problem with consumer grade 3d printers is size. I could get a setup for ... I think about $2500 to $3500 U.S. That would include a 3d scanner. I could then take and modify another set of generic dice with a 3d modeling program. The trouble I see is two-fold. The printers are going to have trouble making small shapes like that without discontinuities. I'm going to do a lot of research on this, call in some help and favors in the tech field, and get back to you guys when I know more. It's even possible, given a few connections, that I could rent time at a pro-grade 3d printer. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/23/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi Dark, thanks for your note! Well, with the way this technology is going, just wait a few minutes and I'll bet it will be in your price range! ;) Have a wonderful day and talk with you soon!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:51 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd consider cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Well Decota, in that case it would depend heavily on the price you were charging for each individual dye. Given however that computer alternatives are available for free, I would be concerned if this was too much. I would for example be willing to go 7.5 usd per dye, but not too much more than that, since given the number of dice a person needs to play rpgs the pricing would just get too much. For example, if you charged 10 usd per dice, and my four D20's cost me 40 usd, that is about 10 times the price a sighted person has to pay which is essentially too much. I'm sorry if this seems harsh, it is just that this is after all a luxury item, since programs like Gma dice are! available, and while I do take the point on discounts and the like, equally we've all seen too many situations in which access tech is over charged with the companies giving the excuse of less sales. for example, Aprone designed a program to tell colour of objects with a web camera, yet if you wanted a peace of hardware to do this it would set you back close to 500 usd. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd considder cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Mildly OT, but, dunno if shared this page on my site - tried to make sure it also works cross-platform in terms of browsers, etc. as well: http://www.blindza.co.za/dice/ It works using client-side scripting, so doesn't reload page/use bandwidth all the time either, so, one load, and you could use something like a phone, etc. to re-roll, etc, and, FWIW, it does actually use the relevant random function the number of times it should - 2D6 = total of 2 values in range 1 to 6, and not single value in range 2-12. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd considder cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
While I totally agree with you, I want you to consider the difference between a piece of software and a piece of plastic. I am hoping to keep the cost of making these dice down, but I want to reiterate. I'm not in this to make a fortune, and I probably won't be making much of a profit, either. My goal is to get the dice to you guys, if enough of you guys are interested for me to take the risks in putting down the money. Aprone's color recognizer pulls info from a camera. Whatever hardware you're describing may or may not be proprietary, and it's probably being put out by a company or group solely motivated by profit. I wouldn't mind making a few bucks on the venture, but I'm not interested in lining my pockets. I'm interested in lining up games. Honestly, I'd be hard pressed to choose to pay for the dice, because there are free programs out there, as I mensioned before. That's why I'm trying to gauge interest in the dice project, before I throw down the dough. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Decota, in that case it would depend heavily on the price you were charging for each individual dye. Given however that computer alternatives are available for free, I would be concerned if this was too much. I would for example be willing to go 7.5 usd per dye, but not too much more than that, since given the number of dice a person needs to play rpgs the pricing would just get too much. For example, if you charged 10 usd per dice, and my four D20's cost me 40 usd, that is about 10 times the price a sighted person has to pay which is essentially too much. I'm sorry if this seems harsh, it is just that this is after all a luxury item, since programs like Gma dice are! available, and while I do take the point on discounts and the like, equally we've all seen too many situations in which access tech is over charged with the companies giving the excuse of less sales. for example, Aprone designed a program to tell colour of objects with a web camera, yet if you wanted a peace of hardware to do this it would set you back close to 500 usd. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Dark. I think the point of showing us the link for the printer is this. If we all put forth money, one person could get the printer with the money, and then they could print out shapes, like dice, for the people who put down the money. I highly recommend nominating Aprone for this idea, if he's willing. ... Several conversations I've had tell me that he'd be a great candidate. If he doesn't respond to this thread, what with being really busy and all, then I'll ask him about it. This kind of trumps my idea, if it works well. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/22/13, Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za wrote: Mildly OT, but, dunno if shared this page on my site - tried to make sure it also works cross-platform in terms of browsers, etc. as well: http://www.blindza.co.za/dice/ It works using client-side scripting, so doesn't reload page/use bandwidth all the time either, so, one load, and you could use something like a phone, etc. to re-roll, etc, and, FWIW, it does actually use the relevant random function the number of times it should - 2D6 = total of 2 values in range 1 to 6, and not single value in range 2-12. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd considder cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi Decota. Well it's probably going to be a case of seeing what the thing costs, then letting us know how much and then seeing whether enough people would be interested at the price as you said. I'm not saying we should get the things for free, or even at the same price as people pay for their printed dice produced by games supply companies, however equally the fact that there is an alternative method of accessing gaming dice is a contributing factor. how all this works out however is not something we can really assess until you know the probable production costs plus any prophit margin, which is after all fair enough given your putting in the work (albeit perhaps not at the massive markup that most access companies get), which is indeed why i started quoting figures. Perhaps this is something you could check out and let us know? Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Hi Decota. I see where your going with this, sort of a kickstarter for a printer, and it's a good idea, indeed judging by the 3000 or so the last kick starter got it should be possible. Perhaps pledging amounts based on how many dice people want, then totting up the cost of the printer would be the way to go here. Myself, i'd want 4 d20's, 1 d12, 2 d10's, 1 d8, and 1 d4. At a price of five squid a dice, that comes to 45 pounds, or about 60 usd, which is the max I'd be willing (or able), to put into the project if it were going ahead. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Hi Dakotah, I also found a printer which was more in the 400 USD range but I have no idea on its quality or stats. I just happened to see a link in passing. Perhaps I'll search this one out now. You are right, I shared the link simply to contribute possible options not only for your venture but potentially other accessible needs people might have. Perhaps there are other gaming needs which a solution like a 3D printer might be able to address… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote: Dark. I think the point of showing us the link for the printer is this. If we all put forth money, one person could get the printer with the money, and then they could print out shapes, like dice, for the people who put down the money. I highly recommend nominating Aprone for this idea, if he's willing. ... Several conversations I've had tell me that he'd be a great candidate. If he doesn't respond to this thread, what with being really busy and all, then I'll ask him about it. This kind of trumps my idea, if it works well. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/22/13, Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za wrote: Mildly OT, but, dunno if shared this page on my site - tried to make sure it also works cross-platform in terms of browsers, etc. as well: http://www.blindza.co.za/dice/ It works using client-side scripting, so doesn't reload page/use bandwidth all the time either, so, one load, and you could use something like a phone, etc. to re-roll, etc, and, FWIW, it does actually use the relevant random function the number of times it should - 2D6 = total of 2 values in range 1 to 6, and not single value in range 2-12. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd considder cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi tom. that is the usual practice with D100's, indeed as I said most of my friends don't use them anyway. however doing it witha d10, a coin toss and another D10 for a d20 was doable, but somewhat ircsome, for all it was necessary being that the faces on the d20 were too small to braille. This is doubly important since in a game like mutants and masterminds, everything works by d20, indeed most of the group I play mutants with each week have about 4 d20's each for various rolls. This is of course quite easy with Gma dice, but it'd be nice to have the physical d20's to roll. Myself, for a full set of Dd dice I'd say you just need a d4, 2 d6, a d8, two d10's, a d12 and a d20, (with optionally more d20's available depending upon the game). Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. heroes of the maze was incredibly cool, though I haven't found any references to it since (even on wikipedia). It was indeed quite surprising that a specialist boarding school would have such a game, and is one of the few good memories I have of that school when i was 9-10. Then again as I said, it was a very accessible game. About the only problems were A, distinguishing the peaces since all the knight peaces looked the same but were different colours (okay for me but not for totally blind players), and also finding your peace later since the game didn't have squares, you just moved until you got to a moveable wall then turned the spinner to try and move the wall out of the way, with dice rolls giving you numbered turns of the spinner. Keeping your peaces position could be done fairly easily with blue tack under each knight or under the ogre if you were controlling him. It was a fairly simple game, indeed I don't fully remember the combat rules but remember they basically took one dice roll (it was something like rolling a sword for win, shield for draw and blank for loss), but it played really well and was quite unique as board games go, especially at that school since the only other games they had were the standard stuff like monopoly, ludo, snakes and ladders, braille packs of cards etc. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. that is true, especially where you have to have really small lables such as on the d10's. mine are still okay, but then again I switched to using gma dice because it's simply easier. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not if you used what is commonly known as super glue. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi, And braille labels also don't stick on dice for too long. I use to braille label a standard set of playing dice and the sticky stuff on the labels would wear off sooner or later and I'd have to turn around and label it all over again. So even if we could label all our d4, d10, and d20 playing dice for RPG games the labels wouldn't stick for long. The warmth of your hands and constant handling them would cause the glue to come loose, and you'd likely be labeling the dice every time you turned around. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi charlse. On rpg dice, they usually have printed numbers rather than holes. This makes sense since obviously you wouldn't want to be sitting their counting 17 holes on a 20 sided dice for instance, so no, they are not accessible I'm afraid. the closest you can do is stick braille lables on some of the larger ones, but as I said, that's really only a partial solution at best since A, it is really fidly, and B, there are dice that have faces which are simply too small to take braille lables. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. that sounds more along the lines of tabeltop wargames than the sort of tabletop rpg I was thinking of. I've never really had access to such things myself simply because overview o the board and the various units is a pain, plus, while it's something I'd like to try, I will confess it doesn't quite rab my interest as much as the exploration, rpg style games like talisman or skull mountain. One game I do! remember being awsome was atmosphere, where you played with the video of the gate keeper who also gave you lots of hastle throughout the game and created music. You played as various characters such as hellen the polterghist, elizabeth bathroy the vampire and barran samdi, and had to collect keys as you went around a board like a grave yard, awhile picking up various time and fate cards monopoly style. the really interesting thing in atmosphere (apart from the creepy music provided by the video), was also the time limit, since there was a clock on screen and after an hour the gatekeeper won the game and everyone lost. There were even time cards that you could activate at certain times to steel keys off other players or similar. Later varients of the game even had player battle mode and the like, though sadly everything was in print so I never really got that much access to the thing. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Decota. would love to try talisman, but sadly all the printed cards etc put me off rather which is a shame since I love the rules and so on (as I said, my brother is an avid fan and owns the base game plus several expantions). I actually contributed 20 usd to the project, but i agree the goal was rather insane for what it was trying to achieve. In terms of payment, well I'd probably be willing to go up to about £25 (around 38 usd), for a standard set of dice (which is about £10 more than the usual DD set), plus say about £5 (7.5 usd), for each additional dye. I would! considder paying higher, but not too much higher, for instance if the full set was over about £50, (70 usd), I'd not really see it as worth it, not when Gma dice is free. I would also suggest if you were considdering this offering several packs of dice. As I said in a previous message there are after all tabletop games that use more dice than the standard, for instance I would need 4 d20's for our weekly mutants and masterminds game, and it'd be nice if I could get those in a pack. I'm sorry if this pricing sounds devicive, I'm just trying to be absolutely honest. Of course with a lot of accessible things you stick the word access on and you can add several more zeroes, but there is a difference betwene acknolidging that accessible stuff is bought less and the blatant gouging that goes on with many makers of accessible things, hence why i suggest roughly twice the price of printed dice, with some discounts for ordering by packs. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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This seems reasonable to me. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi Decota. would love to try talisman, but sadly all the printed cards etc put me off rather which is a shame since I love the rules and so on (as I said, my brother is an avid fan and owns the base game plus several expantions). I actually contributed 20 usd to the project, but i agree the goal was rather insane for what it was trying to achieve. In terms of payment, well I'd probably be willing to go up to about £25 (around 38 usd), for a standard set of dice (which is about £10 more than the usual DD set), plus say about £5 (7.5 usd), for each additional dye. I would! considder paying higher, but not too much higher, for instance if the full set was over about £50, (70 usd), I'd not really see it as worth it, not when Gma dice is free. I would also suggest if you were considdering this offering several packs of dice. As I said in a previous message there are after all tabletop games that use more dice than the standard, for instance I would need 4 d20's for our weekly mutants and masterminds game, and it'd be nice if I could get those in a pack. I'm sorry if this pricing sounds devicive, I'm just trying to be absolutely honest. Of course with a lot of accessible things you stick the word access on and you can add several more zeroes, but there is a difference betwene acknolidging that accessible stuff is bought less and the blatant gouging that goes on with many makers of accessible things, hence why i suggest roughly twice the price of printed dice, with some discounts for ordering by packs. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes, this seems reasonable to me as well. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:48 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice This seems reasonable to me. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi Decota. would love to try talisman, but sadly all the printed cards etc put me off rather which is a shame since I love the rules and so on (as I said, my brother is an avid fan and owns the base game plus several expantions). I actually contributed 20 usd to the project, but i agree the goal was rather insane for what it was trying to achieve. In terms of payment, well I'd probably be willing to go up to about £25 (around 38 usd), for a standard set of dice (which is about £10 more than the usual DD set), plus say about £5 (7.5 usd), for each additional dye. I would! considder paying higher, but not too much higher, for instance if the full set was over about £50, (70 usd), I'd not really see it as worth it, not when Gma dice is free. I would also suggest if you were considdering this offering several packs of dice. As I said in a previous message there are after all tabletop games that use more dice than the standard, for instance I would need 4 d20's for our weekly mutants and masterminds game, and it'd be nice if I could get those in a pack. I'm sorry if this pricing sounds devicive, I'm just trying to be absolutely honest. Of course with a lot of accessible things you stick the word access on and you can add several more zeroes, but there is a difference betwene acknolidging that accessible stuff is bought less and the blatant gouging that goes on with many makers of accessible things, hence why i suggest roughly twice the price of printed dice, with some discounts for ordering by packs. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Eleanor. i've not actually heard of 3D printing as applied to braille, if however it resolved in paper dice there might be a problem since obviously they are dice and do need to roll, though i suppose if you could print the numbers and then put them on a plastic or similar frame that would work. The main problem however is that braille printers are damnably expensive, even standard ones. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming dice I was just wondering if anyone has thought of 3D printing as a possible way to get brailled dice? There is a lot of experimentation being done using 3D printers. It might be possible to have someone print dice with the brailled numbers on them. I have no idea about how much that would cost, but it is worth a looksee. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Eleanor, Perhaps, but once again the raised print or braille would have to be large enough to feel. A lot of the d10 and d20 dice I've scene are too small to make 3d printing a workable solution in my opinion. Cheers! On 4/21/13, Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com wrote: I was just wondering if anyone has thought of 3D printing as a possible way to get brailled dice? There is a lot of experimentation being done using 3D printers. It might be possible to have someone print dice with the brailled numbers on them. I have no idea about how much that would cost, but it is worth a looksee. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, That is what it was. A tabletop war game. I never suggested it was anything else. :D I had a couple of games like that. One was called World At War or something like that and you could command units of infantry, tanks, and so on. Kind of like the game of Risk only instead of a board you had a huge plastic mat you could unroll with continents, oceans, etc and all the units were basically like a plastic base with three tanks or five infantry pieces on it as well as a flag. About the only reason I haven't considered converting these into computer games is games like GMA's Time of Conflict kind of makes that unnecessary. Time of Conflict is like that and a whole lot more in my opinion. Cheers! On 4/21/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. that sounds more along the lines of tabeltop wargames than the sort of tabletop rpg I was thinking of. I've never really had access to such things myself simply because overview o the board and the various units is a pain, plus, while it's something I'd like to try, I will confess it doesn't quite rab my interest as much as the exploration, rpg style games like talisman or skull mountain. One game I do! remember being awsome was atmosphere, where you played with the video of the gate keeper who also gave you lots of hastle throughout the game and created music. You played as various characters such as hellen the polterghist, elizabeth bathroy the vampire and barran samdi, and had to collect keys as you went around a board like a grave yard, awhile picking up various time and fate cards monopoly style. the really interesting thing in atmosphere (apart from the creepy music provided by the video), was also the time limit, since there was a clock on screen and after an hour the gatekeeper won the game and everyone lost. There were even time cards that you could activate at certain times to steel keys off other players or similar. Later varients of the game even had player battle mode and the like, though sadly everything was in print so I never really got that much access to the thing. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Yes, but that creates a secondary problem. When I label things I always try to use clear label tape so that someone sighted such as my wife or son can read it if need be. However, if I use super glue on it that will pretty much nicks that idea as the glue will put a coding of white glue over the printed numbers. Now, I know some blind people might not care since it would be their dice, but I try not to do that when and where possible. Cheers! On 4/21/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Not if you used what is commonly known as super glue. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Interesting. That Heroes of the Maze sounds a lot like the RPG board game Dark World. In Dark World you could choose your champion from a dwarf, ranger, knight, or I think it was an elf as I recall. Anyway the board is a giant castle and your champion goes through the board room by room, and in each room is one or two monsters such as a skeleton with a sword, ogre with a club, or a mummy. You would roll the dice to assess combat damage and every time the hero was hit you would adjust the little base to show how many hits he had left before he was killed. However, there were special items scattered around in the castle like magic swords that would up your melee rating, shoes that would give you an extra dice roll, or potions that would restor your stamina to 10. Cheers! On 4/21/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. heroes of the maze was incredibly cool, though I haven't found any references to it since (even on wikipedia). It was indeed quite surprising that a specialist boarding school would have such a game, and is one of the few good memories I have of that school when i was 9-10. Then again as I said, it was a very accessible game. About the only problems were A, distinguishing the peaces since all the knight peaces looked the same but were different colours (okay for me but not for totally blind players), and also finding your peace later since the game didn't have squares, you just moved until you got to a moveable wall then turned the spinner to try and move the wall out of the way, with dice rolls giving you numbered turns of the spinner. Keeping your peaces position could be done fairly easily with blue tack under each knight or under the ogre if you were controlling him. It was a fairly simple game, indeed I don't fully remember the combat rules but remember they basically took one dice roll (it was something like rolling a sword for win, shield for draw and blank for loss), but it played really well and was quite unique as board games go, especially at that school since the only other games they had were the standard stuff like monopoly, ludo, snakes and ladders, braille packs of cards etc. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dakotah, Well, in terms of buying a set I'd definitely pay at least $20 USD perhaps $25 USD for a full set of brailed gaming dice. Probably $30 USD max. Beyond that I would probably make do with the GMA dice rolling program simply because anything more than $30 is too much for a set of dice brailed or not in my opinion. As you know one of the biggest problems we face as blind consumers is price gouging. Since we exist in a minority market we often have to pay two or three times what something is actually worth just to get an accessible version. I sincerely hope that if you were able to produce and sell a set of braille dice that it wouldn't be more than $10 over the price of a print set. I am not sure I'd be willing to pay two or three times their actual value. Cheers! On 4/21/13, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. Huge message that i'll send along. First of all, I love, love Talisman. I think it's an amazing game. I've played it a lot and own the base game, with plans to obtain expansion packs. Second, as reguards d100 dice, I've never seen a huge 100 sided dice, but what I have seen is an oddly shaped d10. It isn't the same shape as a standard one, and it has double zero up to 90. You roll that and a d10 and get your result. Essentially, it's just a specialized d10 for percentile rolling that is a different shape to make it easier to pick out in a hurry. Listen. I need to know how much you guys would be willing to pay, uppermost, for an individual die or a set. I'd be planning to make d4, d8, d10, d12, and d20, at least. I don't really see a need to make a d6, because they are so easily obtainable, and easy to read. I'm seriously looking at what it would take to make the dice, and I'm also aghast at the hugely expensive goal of 11 thousand dollars. That's much higher than I'd need to get started. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. well wargaming is pretty much it's own genre anyway, indeed I know people that buy specific minitures and rule books for specific games, paint their own miniatures etc. The only war game I've ever really fancied has been battletech, since that was based on having four or five mech units in play each of which had separate amo, damage, and various other stats so was more like a single character than just a unit in a big army. I looked into it because at one point someone had created a java version and was trying to get it to work with swing, and Cx2, who used to be co admin of audiogames.net with me was very much a fan before he lost his site. Sadly the java version didn't work out which was a shame since it sounded an interesting system generally particularly with the detailed galactic history that went with it. As regards war games more specifically i agree, particularly because from the sound of it the time of conflict upgrade is planned to create a full scale war game system that could be used to create maps and campeignes with all different sorts of units and on many different terrain types, not just modern day. I look forward to this particularly since I find the map overview and contextual menues in time of conflict some of the best designed I've seen, making it possible to play even in really large maps with hundreds of units and yet work efficiently. With the board games specifically as I said, it was the rpg like ones such as talisman and the dwarf star games, not to mention games based on gamebooks like warlock of firetop mountain that really grabbed my interest, and that for the exploring as you may guess. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. that sounds a little more complex than heroes of the maze was, in heroes of the maze there were no items and no melee wrating, merely a standard set of rules for each battle. it was really just a giant game of chance, but a rather fun one for all of that. That darkworld game is however another example of what I was talking about in computer rpg terms, having something like Jim's monopoly board generator but for that sort of game. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Right. I'm interested to see what the next generation of Time of Conflict will be like since it sounds like we will be able to create custom units, maps, and campaigns which would rock. However, that said, I plan to upgrade my Toshiba to Windows 8 in the next couple of months and since it is my primary machine I am growing increasingly concerned about some of these games running on it because Visual Basic 6 based software is really beginning to show its age. It doesn't support 64-bit processors, doesn't use duel core processors efficiently, and requires a bunch of outdated libraries to be installed just to make it run. For all of those reasons I'm wondering if it might not be better to write a similar game up in .NET and use Sapi which would be fully Windows 8 and 64-bit compliant. I know for someone like yourself who is using XP that isn't a major concern, but since I am running Windows 7 and do plan to migrate at least one machine to Windows 8 its an issue I have to consider when playing accessible games. Anyway, I know some of those war games can get pretty in depth for board games. It is pretty cool buying the sets, painting some of the pieces, and then building the sets. I use to know some guys in high school who use to get i into that sort of thing, and the only reason I didn't is I really couldn't see to paint the pieces and would have to braille all the cards, dice, and still have problems seeing the game map and figuring out where all the units are etc. In a game like that its important to be able to see the entire map so you can plan your strategies out accordingly. That's where something like Time of Conflict really shines, because you can review everything as needed. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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no reason why not ofcause you would have to have the 3d printer, and then ofcause how big could a home 3d printer print dice. pluss printing with the braille dots. it would be easier and probably cheaper for those of us to buy the dice. At 02:29 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: I was just wondering if anyone has thought of 3D printing as a possible way to get brailled dice? There is a lot of experimentation being done using 3D printers. It might be possible to have someone print dice with the brailled numbers on them. I have no idea about how much that would cost, but it is worth a looksee. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, 3D printers are coming way down in price now and they print from a plastic material. So the dice you would get are solid 3D plastic (or some polymer) objects just like normal dice. So you can print Braille right on the dice in the same material… HTH Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:00 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Eleanor. i've not actually heard of 3D printing as applied to braille, if however it resolved in paper dice there might be a problem since obviously they are dice and do need to roll, though i suppose if you could print the numbers and then put them on a plastic or similar frame that would work. The main problem however is that braille printers are damnably expensive, even standard ones. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming dice I was just wondering if anyone has thought of 3D printing as a possible way to get brailled dice? There is a lot of experimentation being done using 3D printers. It might be possible to have someone print dice with the brailled numbers on them. I have no idea about how much that would cost, but it is worth a looksee. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well tom leaving aside the microsoft issues (since as you know i've yet to find a good use for windows 7, let alone 8), I am very impressed with Time of Conflict's ability with map overview, and i look forward to seeing what the next version does. If yu'd asked me a few years ago to pick things that I didn't think were doable in audio, I'd have likely included stratogy games such as Time of conflict, simply because of the size of the map, since holding info about a 100 x 100 square board in mind, even for the most spacially aware person is not really going to happen, but with Toc's great overview commands that has very much been the case. My only concern with Time of conflict is how much customization there will be in the units and whether for instance it would be possible to have units with two weapons or forms of attack. For instance, it miht be rather good fun to have siege artilliary units which could attack very badly when moving, but if left not to move for a number of turns could entrench themselves and start doing actual damage. After all, this is the way cannons, siege towers etc have worked in military situations for many centuries, but I don't know if such a rule exists in Toc, though I'll be interested to see. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Interesting Kara, not something I've heard of before, though I'd be surprised if the 3D printer could actually create a shape as complex as a tesolated dodeckahedron. Sadly though I doubt I'd have the money to buy such a printer just for the dice, indeed if they cost similar to current access tech I'd imagine they'd set me back a few thousand. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It can. They can print complex parts with the printer. I've seen figurines that came out of the printer and they can also make gun parts. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Interesting Kara, not something I've heard of before, though I'd be surprised if the 3D printer could actually create a shape as complex as a tesolated dodeckahedron. Sadly though I doubt I'd have the money to buy such a printer just for the dice, indeed if they cost similar to current access tech I'd imagine they'd set me back a few thousand. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Interesting christina, though as Tom said even if you could create the dice, labeling them might be another matter, plus obviously not everyone has access to one of these printers. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Right. But, someone can print them and sell them. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Interesting christina, though as Tom said even if you could create the dice, labeling them might be another matter, plus obviously not everyone has access to one of these printers. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It's not a case of labeling them either, as the braille patterns would be part of the design from the word go. A 3d printer spits out the design it's given, it doesn't matter to the machine whether those bumps in the design happen to be in the right places to form braille. Definitely one of the coolest moves forward in technology in a long time. I hope someone takes advantage. Scott On 4/21/13, Christina greensleev...@wind-haven.net wrote: Right. But, someone can print them and sell them. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Interesting christina, though as Tom said even if you could create the dice, labeling them might be another matter, plus obviously not everyone has access to one of these printers. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'll tell you this. If I was able to get the program started, I would be using casting. The mold would be pretty expensive, and the material wouldn't be too bad, but it wouldn't be remarkably cheap either. I wouldn't gouge, but I'd also want to make at least a little profit, because I love you guys, but having a little extra would be nice. I wouldn't do anything insane like triple the markup or add an extra zero, but I'm glad to have an idea of what people are looking at. The cheapest I've seen new dice is about $14. I'd probably have to at least double that, maybe as much as triple it, but I'm still working out the details. If enough of you guys want dice, then I won't need to chatge as much, as I'll be able to put the cost of the mold down myself and make it back, but if not many of you want dice, then I'll have to make them more expensive, not for myself, but just to recoop the losses I'll be taking to get the thing set up. I want to make these for myself, but that's entirely unjustifiable, as the mold and printing is going to be more than $200 just to get started. If I know that I've got 10 people wanting dice, then that's going to probably be between $20 and $40 for a full set, but if I've got 50 people wanting dice, it's gonna probably be more like $15 to $35 or maybe even cheaper. The material isn't free, so I can't just be like Oh. Well here's a full set for ten bucks, though I wish I could. I'm considering actually doing a kick starter like whoever else did, giving you guys proper updates, letting you know the ins and outs like a business ought to do. I need to check patents and copyrights and all that, though, because if someone decides that they ought to copyright troll me about the shape of my dice, I'd at least like some forewarning. If I do set up a kick starter campaign, that'll get posted to the list as well. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom leaving aside the microsoft issues (since as you know i've yet to find a good use for windows 7, let alone 8), I am very impressed with Time of Conflict's ability with map overview, and i look forward to seeing what the next version does. If yu'd asked me a few years ago to pick things that I didn't think were doable in audio, I'd have likely included stratogy games such as Time of conflict, simply because of the size of the map, since holding info about a 100 x 100 square board in mind, even for the most spacially aware person is not really going to happen, but with Toc's great overview commands that has very much been the case. My only concern with Time of conflict is how much customization there will be in the units and whether for instance it would be possible to have units with two weapons or forms of attack. For instance, it miht be rather good fun to have siege artilliary units which could attack very badly when moving, but if left not to move for a number of turns could entrench themselves and start doing actual damage. After all, this is the way cannons, siege towers etc have worked in military situations for many centuries, but I don't know if such a rule exists in Toc, though I'll be interested to see. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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One more thing. In most cases with an intellectual development, people offer discounts because they want to make less of a roffit. So, let's say, someone offers a pack whereby you buy two games for, let's say, the price of one and a half games. I wouldn't be able to do that very easily with the dice, as I won't be really in this for a profit. I'm going to try to make a little of a profit, but I'm not going to be greedy with it, and I'm not willing to go below cost. I'll probably have a set price for each specific kind of die, and if you want a set, you pay for all those dice. If you want four d20 dice, you buy them individually, and I can't really see a way around that. Remember, in most cases, a discount means making a little less profit to increase business. I'm not going to try to make a lot of money on this one, so if I give you a discount, it might really hurt me. I'm really sorry, and if it looks like that will change in the end, we'll see about changing the way I intend this all to work. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote: I'll tell you this. If I was able to get the program started, I would be using casting. The mold would be pretty expensive, and the material wouldn't be too bad, but it wouldn't be remarkably cheap either. I wouldn't gouge, but I'd also want to make at least a little profit, because I love you guys, but having a little extra would be nice. I wouldn't do anything insane like triple the markup or add an extra zero, but I'm glad to have an idea of what people are looking at. The cheapest I've seen new dice is about $14. I'd probably have to at least double that, maybe as much as triple it, but I'm still working out the details. If enough of you guys want dice, then I won't need to chatge as much, as I'll be able to put the cost of the mold down myself and make it back, but if not many of you want dice, then I'll have to make them more expensive, not for myself, but just to recoop the losses I'll be taking to get the thing set up. I want to make these for myself, but that's entirely unjustifiable, as the mold and printing is going to be more than $200 just to get started. If I know that I've got 10 people wanting dice, then that's going to probably be between $20 and $40 for a full set, but if I've got 50 people wanting dice, it's gonna probably be more like $15 to $35 or maybe even cheaper. The material isn't free, so I can't just be like Oh. Well here's a full set for ten bucks, though I wish I could. I'm considering actually doing a kick starter like whoever else did, giving you guys proper updates, letting you know the ins and outs like a business ought to do. I need to check patents and copyrights and all that, though, because if someone decides that they ought to copyright troll me about the shape of my dice, I'd at least like some forewarning. If I do set up a kick starter campaign, that'll get posted to the list as well. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom leaving aside the microsoft issues (since as you know i've yet to find a good use for windows 7, let alone 8), I am very impressed with Time of Conflict's ability with map overview, and i look forward to seeing what the next version does. If yu'd asked me a few years ago to pick things that I didn't think were doable in audio, I'd have likely included stratogy games such as Time of conflict, simply because of the size of the map, since holding info about a 100 x 100 square board in mind, even for the most spacially aware person is not really going to happen, but with Toc's great overview commands that has very much been the case. My only concern with Time of conflict is how much customization there will be in the units and whether for instance it would be possible to have units with two weapons or forms of attack. For instance, it miht be rather good fun to have siege artilliary units which could attack very badly when moving, but if left not to move for a number of turns could entrench themselves and start doing actual damage. After all, this is the way cannons, siege towers etc have worked in military situations for many centuries, but I don't know if such a rule exists in Toc, though I'll be interested to see. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
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I've checked into 3d printing. It's one of the options I'm considering for the dice. It's not printing as in paper and ink, as most people think of printing. Rather, it's a process, rather like casting. Essentially, the only ractical difference is that the machine is doing the work. It's basically casting with a tech twist. Anyone wanting to own a mainstream 3d printer would be paying a pretty penny. Maybe this person trying to start with kickstarter was trying to buy one, but that's just not worth it. If I don't go with casting, I'll look into 3d printing as an option, as it'll have to be in bulk to be profitable. That will demand a lot of time and money, but maybe not prohibitively much. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a case of labeling them either, as the braille patterns would be part of the design from the word go. A 3d printer spits out the design it's given, it doesn't matter to the machine whether those bumps in the design happen to be in the right places to form braille. Definitely one of the coolest moves forward in technology in a long time. I hope someone takes advantage. Scott On 4/21/13, Christina greensleev...@wind-haven.net wrote: Right. But, someone can print them and sell them. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Interesting christina, though as Tom said even if you could create the dice, labeling them might be another matter, plus obviously not everyone has access to one of these printers. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Good luck. Please let me know If you need any help. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice One more thing. In most cases with an intellectual development, people offer discounts because they want to make less of a roffit. So, let's say, someone offers a pack whereby you buy two games for, let's say, the price of one and a half games. I wouldn't be able to do that very easily with the dice, as I won't be really in this for a profit. I'm going to try to make a little of a profit, but I'm not going to be greedy with it, and I'm not willing to go below cost. I'll probably have a set price for each specific kind of die, and if you want a set, you pay for all those dice. If you want four d20 dice, you buy them individually, and I can't really see a way around that. Remember, in most cases, a discount means making a little less profit to increase business. I'm not going to try to make a lot of money on this one, so if I give you a discount, it might really hurt me. I'm really sorry, and if it looks like that will change in the end, we'll see about changing the way I intend this all to work. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote: I'll tell you this. If I was able to get the program started, I would be using casting. The mold would be pretty expensive, and the material wouldn't be too bad, but it wouldn't be remarkably cheap either. I wouldn't gouge, but I'd also want to make at least a little profit, because I love you guys, but having a little extra would be nice. I wouldn't do anything insane like triple the markup or add an extra zero, but I'm glad to have an idea of what people are looking at. The cheapest I've seen new dice is about $14. I'd probably have to at least double that, maybe as much as triple it, but I'm still working out the details. If enough of you guys want dice, then I won't need to chatge as much, as I'll be able to put the cost of the mold down myself and make it back, but if not many of you want dice, then I'll have to make them more expensive, not for myself, but just to recoop the losses I'll be taking to get the thing set up. I want to make these for myself, but that's entirely unjustifiable, as the mold and printing is going to be more than $200 just to get started. If I know that I've got 10 people wanting dice, then that's going to probably be between $20 and $40 for a full set, but if I've got 50 people wanting dice, it's gonna probably be more like $15 to $35 or maybe even cheaper. The material isn't free, so I can't just be like Oh. Well here's a full set for ten bucks, though I wish I could. I'm considering actually doing a kick starter like whoever else did, giving you guys proper updates, letting you know the ins and outs like a business ought to do. I need to check patents and copyrights and all that, though, because if someone decides that they ought to copyright troll me about the shape of my dice, I'd at least like some forewarning. If I do set up a kick starter campaign, that'll get posted to the list as well. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom leaving aside the microsoft issues (since as you know i've yet to find a good use for windows 7, let alone 8), I am very impressed with Time of Conflict's ability with map overview, and i look forward to seeing what the next version does. If yu'd asked me a few years ago to pick things that I didn't think were doable in audio, I'd have likely included stratogy games such as Time of conflict, simply because of the size of the map, since holding info about a 100 x 100 square board in mind, even for the most spacially aware person is not really going to happen, but with Toc's great overview commands that has very much been the case. My only concern with Time of conflict is how much customization there will be in the units and whether for instance it would be possible to have units with two weapons or forms of attack. For instance, it miht be rather good fun to have siege artilliary units which could attack very badly when moving, but if left not to move for a number of turns could entrench themselves and start doing actual damage. After all, this is the way cannons, siege towers etc have worked in military situations for many centuries, but I don't know if such a rule exists in Toc, though I'll be interested to see. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Awesome. Getting profet is fair; you'll be putting in time and energy. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice I'll tell you this. If I was able to get the program started, I would be using casting. The mold would be pretty expensive, and the material wouldn't be too bad, but it wouldn't be remarkably cheap either. I wouldn't gouge, but I'd also want to make at least a little profit, because I love you guys, but having a little extra would be nice. I wouldn't do anything insane like triple the markup or add an extra zero, but I'm glad to have an idea of what people are looking at. The cheapest I've seen new dice is about $14. I'd probably have to at least double that, maybe as much as triple it, but I'm still working out the details. If enough of you guys want dice, then I won't need to chatge as much, as I'll be able to put the cost of the mold down myself and make it back, but if not many of you want dice, then I'll have to make them more expensive, not for myself, but just to recoop the losses I'll be taking to get the thing set up. I want to make these for myself, but that's entirely unjustifiable, as the mold and printing is going to be more than $200 just to get started. If I know that I've got 10 people wanting dice, then that's going to probably be between $20 and $40 for a full set, but if I've got 50 people wanting dice, it's gonna probably be more like $15 to $35 or maybe even cheaper. The material isn't free, so I can't just be like Oh. Well here's a full set for ten bucks, though I wish I could. I'm considering actually doing a kick starter like whoever else did, giving you guys proper updates, letting you know the ins and outs like a business ought to do. I need to check patents and copyrights and all that, though, because if someone decides that they ought to copyright troll me about the shape of my dice, I'd at least like some forewarning. If I do set up a kick starter campaign, that'll get posted to the list as well. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/21/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom leaving aside the microsoft issues (since as you know i've yet to find a good use for windows 7, let alone 8), I am very impressed with Time of Conflict's ability with map overview, and i look forward to seeing what the next version does. If yu'd asked me a few years ago to pick things that I didn't think were doable in audio, I'd have likely included stratogy games such as Time of conflict, simply because of the size of the map, since holding info about a 100 x 100 square board in mind, even for the most spacially aware person is not really going to happen, but with Toc's great overview commands that has very much been the case. My only concern with Time of conflict is how much customization there will be in the units and whether for instance it would be possible to have units with two weapons or forms of attack. For instance, it miht be rather good fun to have siege artilliary units which could attack very badly when moving, but if left not to move for a number of turns could entrench themselves and start doing actual damage. After all, this is the way cannons, siege towers etc have worked in military situations for many centuries, but I don't know if such a rule exists in Toc, though I'll be interested to see. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, the ones I'm looking at are from about 1500 to 3000 USD and can certainly print shapes like non-traditional gaming dice. They can print incredibly complex shapes and parts to assemble items. Of the least expensive printer I just looked at, it can print a volume up to 5.5 by 5.5 by 5.5 inches and the volumes go up from there. They can also print in two or three colors at a time. So bright contrast is possible. this technology is only improving and becoming cheaper and cheaper quicker and quicker. :) So this could actually be a really good alternative for community-based development of accessible items. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:41 PM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Interesting Kara, not something I've heard of before, though I'd be surprised if the 3D printer could actually create a shape as complex as a tesolated dodeckahedron. Sadly though I doubt I'd have the money to buy such a printer just for the dice, indeed if they cost similar to current access tech I'd imagine they'd set me back a few thousand. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Cool. How much is the resin? Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Hi Dark, the ones I'm looking at are from about 1500 to 3000 USD and can certainly print shapes like non-traditional gaming dice. They can print incredibly complex shapes and parts to assemble items. Of the least expensive printer I just looked at, it can print a volume up to 5.5 by 5.5 by 5.5 inches and the volumes go up from there. They can also print in two or three colors at a time. So bright contrast is possible. this technology is only improving and becoming cheaper and cheaper quicker and quicker. :) So this could actually be a really good alternative for community-based development of accessible items. Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Christina, I just saw a pack for 1399 USD, which consists of the printer and four cartridges. Here is the linkie: http://cubify.com/store/offers/print_pack/index.aspx I totally dig that you can print in glow-in-the-dark green and blue! Woohoo! Fun fun! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Christina greensleev...@wind-haven.net wrote: Cool. How much is the resin? Christina --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Oh, neat! Thanks. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 10:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice Hi Christina, I just saw a pack for 1399 USD, which consists of the printer and four cartridges. Here is the linkie: http://cubify.com/store/offers/print_pack/index.aspx I totally dig that you can print in glow-in-the-dark green and blue! Woohoo! Fun fun! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Christina greensleev...@wind-haven.net wrote: Cool. How much is the resin? Christina --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi. There was a kickstarter a few months ago to produce the dice but it never got off the ground. I'd definitely bbe interested and I know a couple of other who would buy them as well. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:43 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi folks. I have a couple of questions for you. First, are there any startups or established concerns out there to produce gaming dice for we blind individuals? I don't mean six-sided jobbies. I mean fours, eights, tens, twenties, percentiles... stuff like that. Are any people or companies making dice that we can read? I ask that for two separate and distinct reasons. The first is that I want to know. Everyone around me has a set of gaming dice, and while I certainly appreciate GMADice and others for my computer, GamerKit and others for my iPhone, so forth and so on, I'd really rather have my own set of shake 'em and roll 'em dice. It makes the game much more visceral, and I think that's important. The second reason is this. If nobody is aking dice, I want to know the demand here and elsewhere for those dice. I want people to spread the word. Ask their gamer buddies. Please, tell me if it's worth the time and effort to make them, because I'd be interested in trying. I have the means and the resources, with your committed support and encouragement, if it's something you guys want. Thanks for reading, and keep on rolling. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
I certainly would. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:52 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi. There was a kickstarter a few months ago to produce the dice but it never got off the ground. I'd definitely bbe interested and I know a couple of other who would buy them as well. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:43 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi folks. I have a couple of questions for you. First, are there any startups or established concerns out there to produce gaming dice for we blind individuals? I don't mean six-sided jobbies. I mean fours, eights, tens, twenties, percentiles... stuff like that. Are any people or companies making dice that we can read? I ask that for two separate and distinct reasons. The first is that I want to know. Everyone around me has a set of gaming dice, and while I certainly appreciate GMADice and others for my computer, GamerKit and others for my iPhone, so forth and so on, I'd really rather have my own set of shake 'em and roll 'em dice. It makes the game much more visceral, and I think that's important. The second reason is this. If nobody is aking dice, I want to know the demand here and elsewhere for those dice. I want people to spread the word. Ask their gamer buddies. Please, tell me if it's worth the time and effort to make them, because I'd be interested in trying. I have the means and the resources, with your committed support and encouragement, if it's something you guys want. Thanks for reading, and keep on rolling. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Count me in. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Lora lorav...@comcast.net wrote: I certainly would. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:52 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi. There was a kickstarter a few months ago to produce the dice but it never got off the ground. I'd definitely bbe interested and I know a couple of other who would buy them as well. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:43 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi folks. I have a couple of questions for you. First, are there any startups or established concerns out there to produce gaming dice for we blind individuals? I don't mean six-sided jobbies. I mean fours, eights, tens, twenties, percentiles... stuff like that. Are any people or companies making dice that we can read? I ask that for two separate and distinct reasons. The first is that I want to know. Everyone around me has a set of gaming dice, and while I certainly appreciate GMADice and others for my computer, GamerKit and others for my iPhone, so forth and so on, I'd really rather have my own set of shake 'em and roll 'em dice. It makes the game much more visceral, and I think that's important. The second reason is this. If nobody is aking dice, I want to know the demand here and elsewhere for those dice. I want people to spread the word. Ask their gamer buddies. Please, tell me if it's worth the time and effort to make them, because I'd be interested in trying. I have the means and the resources, with your committed support and encouragement, if it's something you guys want. Thanks for reading, and keep on rolling. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dakotah, I for one would think this is a good idea. Not sure how many blind people would invest in this venture, but it would be nice. the only braille dice I know of are the typical six sided kind you can get at any rehab center or independent living aids site. There have been many times I needed a 10, 12, or 20 sided die and they simply didn't exist for a blind user. So assuming the dice aren't extremely expensive I'd be interested in buying some. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks. I have a couple of questions for you. First, are there any startups or established concerns out there to produce gaming dice for we blind individuals? I don't mean six-sided jobbies. I mean fours, eights, tens, twenties, percentiles... stuff like that. Are any people or companies making dice that we can read? I ask that for two separate and distinct reasons. The first is that I want to know. Everyone around me has a set of gaming dice, and while I certainly appreciate GMADice and others for my computer, GamerKit and others for my iPhone, so forth and so on, I'd really rather have my own set of shake 'em and roll 'em dice. It makes the game much more visceral, and I think that's important. The second reason is this. If nobody is aking dice, I want to know the demand here and elsewhere for those dice. I want people to spread the word. Ask their gamer buddies. Please, tell me if it's worth the time and effort to make them, because I'd be interested in trying. I have the means and the resources, with your committed support and encouragement, if it's something you guys want. Thanks for reading, and keep on rolling. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Decota. Sadly not that I've heard. a few years ago, I tried to persuade the rnib to produce gaming dice on the basis that with gaming dice and access to a manual (and often not even that), blind people could be totally equal in the tabletop gaming sphere, but they flat out told me most of our members wouldn't be interested in this ie, the rnib's usual thinking that anyone who is under 60 and won't leve them money in their will doesn't exist. When i first started playing dD, we got a large size set of standard dice, and sticking braille lables on worked with most of them, but not with the d20 since the surfaces were just too small to take numbers (heck, we couldn't fit double didgits onto the d10). Though i have used Gma dice every week for several years playing our mutants and masterminds campeigne, I completely agree on the moree viseral and practial feeling of physically rolling dice, so I would certainly love a set of tactile gaming dice, though whether any company would wish to produce these I don't know. it's a shame really, since they'd be really quite easy to make. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And don't forget D4's there Tom :D. I do remember the kickstarter project that people mentioned, and I even donated 20 usd, but as was said it didn't get going and I got my money back sadly. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, That's unfortunate, but the fact of the matter is the majority of people with visual problems, either blind or low vision, are over 60. The RNIB and other organizations like them tend to market solely to the largest common denominator leaving youngsters like you and I out in the cold. Gr I do think though that having a company produce some braille gaming dice should be relatively easy if we could find someone interested in doing it. They already have standard six sided dice so I don't know why they can't come up with 10 and 20 sided dice for roll playing games and some of the more advanced board games out there. For example, I have this really cool board game with a castle and various game pieces like goblins, wizards, skeletons, rangers, dwarves, etc. What makes this game different is there are a number of different dice depending on the situation. The Haunter, a ghost, rolls a special 10 sided die which is impossible to braille because it is diamond shaped and the print numbers are very very small. Too small to braille the numbers 1 through 10 and stick them on it. I'm sure this isn't the only board game out there where you need something other than the standard six sided dice, but the only dice I can get from Independent Living Aids is the standard dice. Like many I've made do with bringing my laptop along and using the GMA Dice program when it is my turn to roll, but that isn't as fun as taking the dice and rolling it physically. Not to mention dragging my laptop around is much more cumbersome when I could just carry a few braille die in my pocket for such occasions. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Decota. Sadly not that I've heard. a few years ago, I tried to persuade the rnib to produce gaming dice on the basis that with gaming dice and access to a manual (and often not even that), blind people could be totally equal in the tabletop gaming sphere, but they flat out told me most of our members wouldn't be interested in this ie, the rnib's usual thinking that anyone who is under 60 and won't leve them money in their will doesn't exist. When i first started playing dD, we got a large size set of standard dice, and sticking braille lables on worked with most of them, but not with the d20 since the surfaces were just too small to take numbers (heck, we couldn't fit double didgits onto the d10). Though i have used Gma dice every week for several years playing our mutants and masterminds campeigne, I completely agree on the moree viseral and practial feeling of physically rolling dice, so I would certainly love a set of tactile gaming dice, though whether any company would wish to produce these I don't know. it's a shame really, since they'd be really quite easy to make. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Folks, Dana Jorgensen tried to make gaming dice through KickStarter but was unsuccessful $3,543 was pledged of $11,000 goal http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/592087154/braille-dice --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The only physical dice I have worked with are the traditional 6-sided variety. They have holes to determine the number. Don't these other gaming dice? If so, no modification would be necessary. I would think that there would be just as much need for accessible dice as there is for those that are not accessible. Blind people are no different than sighted people except that our eyes don't give feedback. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:43 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi folks. I have a couple of questions for you. First, are there any startups or established concerns out there to produce gaming dice for we blind individuals? I don't mean six-sided jobbies. I mean fours, eights, tens, twenties, percentiles... stuff like that. Are any people or companies making dice that we can read? I ask that for two separate and distinct reasons. The first is that I want to know. Everyone around me has a set of gaming dice, and while I certainly appreciate GMADice and others for my computer, GamerKit and others for my iPhone, so forth and so on, I'd really rather have my own set of shake 'em and roll 'em dice. It makes the game much more visceral, and I think that's important. The second reason is this. If nobody is aking dice, I want to know the demand here and elsewhere for those dice. I want people to spread the word. Ask their gamer buddies. Please, tell me if it's worth the time and effort to make them, because I'd be interested in trying. I have the means and the resources, with your committed support and encouragement, if it's something you guys want. Thanks for reading, and keep on rolling. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, No. When you get into special gaming dice such as the d20 dice used in Dungeons and Dragons they don't have the little holes or indention's found on your typical dice for Monopoly etc. The special gaming die such as the d10 and d20 have the print numbers 1 through 10 or 1 through 20 printed on the dice. Often you can't feel the print number and the general size and shape of the dice makes it difficult if not impossible to braille them. Usually the more sides the dice has on it the smaller the numbers are to see. For example, I have here a 10 sided die and a 20 sided die. Both are slightly larger than a standard set of playing dice but are obviously a lot different in over all shape. The 10 sided dice is diamond shaped, and the 20 sided dice is almost round accept it is flat everywhere there is a number. Not sure what shape you would call it, but the over all size and shape of the places where the numbers are printed are so small that braille labels wouldn't fit. There are also other special kinds of dice with pictures on them. I have a board game with pictures of skulls, swords, and things like that on the dice which are specific to that game. That raises the question of how to properly label a picture when a skull and a sword both start with the letter s, and you need to come up with something a bit more creative to represent those pictures and makes sense. Point being that the standard six sided dice you are thinking of isn't all there is to gaming dice by a long shot. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only physical dice I have worked with are the traditional 6-sided variety. They have holes to determine the number. Don't these other gaming dice? If so, no modification would be necessary. I would think that there would be just as much need for accessible dice as there is for those that are not accessible. Blind people are no different than sighted people except that our eyes don't give feedback. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hI there I don't know if they make any but I shore would like a pair myself.My family and I play board games all the time and it would b nice 2 b able 2 play whith out asking what I just rolled. So if u make a pair let me know. Bfn James -Original Message- From: Dakotah Rickard [mailto:dakotah.rick...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi folks. I have a couple of questions for you. First, are there any startups or established concerns out there to produce gaming dice for we blind individuals? I don't mean six-sided jobbies. I mean fours, eights, tens, twenties, percentiles... stuff like that. Are any people or companies making dice that we can read? I ask that for two separate and distinct reasons. The first is that I want to know. Everyone around me has a set of gaming dice, and while I certainly appreciate GMADice and others for my computer, GamerKit and others for my iPhone, so forth and so on, I'd really rather have my own set of shake 'em and roll 'em dice. It makes the game much more visceral, and I think that's important. The second reason is this. If nobody is aking dice, I want to know the demand here and elsewhere for those dice. I want people to spread the word. Ask their gamer buddies. Please, tell me if it's worth the time and effort to make them, because I'd be interested in trying. I have the means and the resources, with your committed support and encouragement, if it's something you guys want. Thanks for reading, and keep on rolling. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hmm. Texturing would not work, nor would raised illustrations of a sword, skull, or what the picture is. They would be too small to be recognized by touch.And with a 20-sided dye, touching it would probably roll it due to the size of each flat surface. Increasing the size to make it accessible would not be an option. An interesting puzzler. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice Hi Charles, No. When you get into special gaming dice such as the d20 dice used in Dungeons and Dragons they don't have the little holes or indention's found on your typical dice for Monopoly etc. The special gaming die such as the d10 and d20 have the print numbers 1 through 10 or 1 through 20 printed on the dice. Often you can't feel the print number and the general size and shape of the dice makes it difficult if not impossible to braille them. Usually the more sides the dice has on it the smaller the numbers are to see. For example, I have here a 10 sided die and a 20 sided die. Both are slightly larger than a standard set of playing dice but are obviously a lot different in over all shape. The 10 sided dice is diamond shaped, and the 20 sided dice is almost round accept it is flat everywhere there is a number. Not sure what shape you would call it, but the over all size and shape of the places where the numbers are printed are so small that braille labels wouldn't fit. There are also other special kinds of dice with pictures on them. I have a board game with pictures of skulls, swords, and things like that on the dice which are specific to that game. That raises the question of how to properly label a picture when a skull and a sword both start with the letter s, and you need to come up with something a bit more creative to represent those pictures and makes sense. Point being that the standard six sided dice you are thinking of isn't all there is to gaming dice by a long shot. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only physical dice I have worked with are the traditional 6-sided variety. They have holes to determine the number. Don't these other gaming dice? If so, no modification would be necessary. I would think that there would be just as much need for accessible dice as there is for those that are not accessible. Blind people are no different than sighted people except that our eyes don't give feedback. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, You are beginning to see the problem. The dice would have to be made from scratch with the blind in mind and like the standard gaming dice the braille 10 and 20 sided dice would have to be larger than their print counterparts in order to accommodate the braille numbers. There are even d100 dice that are huge in terms of print dice, and would really have to be big to fit braille on them. :D As far as picture dice I have only encountered that sort of thing in one game, and it was a standard six sided dice so I could braille them. What I did is use the letter l for a sword, since it was kind of sword shaped, and I used the o w contraction and o together to make a circle for the skulls. The blank sides I left blank. Basically, instead of using a letter for each picture I tried to recreate that picture in braille, and it worked out well for that game. Well, there is one other game with a picture on it and it is the Lord of the Rings Monopoly, but it was easy to adapt. The set of dice has an eye that comes up now and then which is used to move the ring one space towards Mount Doom. However, since the dice with the eye on it feels different from the regular dice I can feel it when it comes up. I labeled all the numbers 1 through 6 on the dice but left the eye blank since it is the only picture I need to worry about in that particular game. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Hmm. Texturing would not work, nor would raised illustrations of a sword, skull, or what the picture is. They would be too small to be recognized by touch.And with a 20-sided dye, touching it would probably roll it due to the size of each flat surface. Increasing the size to make it accessible would not be an option. An interesting puzzler. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. would that game be talisman? my brother is an avid player, but sadly there is no accessible version. As regards the rnib, well I think at least with the rnib there is considderably more involved than simply appealing to the lowest common denominator. All their publications, magazines etc, are aimed at older generations (you can get all the braille knitting patterns you want), and whenever I've been on an info day they do an hour and a half of what is tantamount to brain washing about donations from people in their wills and how much they want such donations, not to mention radio and tv adverts all aimed at older people, their latest slogan, rnib spotting the signs of site loss for over fifties is a case in point, as well as a rather amusing tortology. I have also noticed that my efforts over the years to get Rnib to do anything not! aimed at over sixties has been fruiteless, whether that is reccording more accessible books in sf and fantasy genres, our members don't like those is what I was told getting them to produce braile gamebooks or rpg manuals, or indeed getting them to promote audio games at all other than the azabat ones our members prefer simple games and don't have the tech skills is what I was told. Frankly, there is something of a conspiracy going on with the Rnib to sucker people's investments, not to mention gain government grants for services which should! be health services anyway, (charity my arse), but that is a subject for another mail. Suffice it to say that for getting accessible gaming dice, you'd be better off heading into the woods, picking up sticks and taking the time to calve them yourself, than trying to get any practical aide out of the Rnib. Myself, if a company were! to do this, I'd be looking for someone a little more friendly to access to younger blind people, rather than someone like Rnib. As you said yourself, it's not a complicated thing, indeed I'd be tempted to contact the manufacturers of rp supplies (after all they can only say no), since I have far more confidence in them than someone like Rnib or the companies they deal with. of course however, it might be that access creation aide companies in countries other than the Uk are a little better on this front, since I do know the Uk's general attitude and that of the Rnib in particular isn't particularly great when compared to places over seas anyway, and doubltess this stretches to the business world too. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi charlse. On rpg dice, they usually have printed numbers rather than holes. This makes sense since obviously you wouldn't want to be sitting their counting 17 holes on a 20 sided dice for instance, so no, they are not accessible I'm afraid. the closest you can do is stick braille lables on some of the larger ones, but as I said, that's really only a partial solution at best since A, it is really fidly, and B, there are dice that have faces which are simply too small to take braille lables. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi tom. oddly enough when i was little we used to play a game called heroes of the maze. It was like a proto rpg, where you played knights invading a maze to battle an ogre and win magic rings. once you defeated the ogre, you got to play as him and hunt down other players, and for every win you got a knew ring, with the first to three winning the game. the board was interesting too, since rather than move set spaces, the board had a raised maze on it, and everytime you turned a little spinner under the board it moved the walls. Everything was tactile, so it was a very playable game, though not designed for blind people at all. One of the tactile elements were the dice, which had swords, shields and blanks on them, and in combat rolling different things got wins, losses or draws, and all the symbols were quite tactile. If however a certain game had pictured dice, you could either A, lable them with something noticeable, eg, s for sword, k for skull, or B, use a standard dice and draw up a result table, though that would naturally be more trouble since you'd need to look on the table yourself. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi charlse. with a d10 certainly you can determine the top of the dice by touch if you are carefull, particularly if you use one hand to stop the dice rolling and then check the upper face with the other, though it's quite surprising how stable it is especially if it's a larger size. The same would be true of a D20. it would of course need to be a little largerr, but that wouldn't impact it's rolling ability I think. Beware the Grue! Dar.k --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi Tom. Brailling a D100 would be loopy, but to be honest most rp players I know don't own d100's, indeed I've heard people complain that they have so many faces it is too difficult to spot which one is uppermost. usually what most people do is have two d10's, with the numbers 1-10, and roll one for tens and one for units with double ten counting as 100, which obviously works fine. Back before I had Gma dice I used to do a similar thing with the d10, by rolling a d10, then having a coin toss and adding ten if the result was heads (well actually for access purposes I rolled another dice and played odds or evens, but the result was the same). Probability wise this worked out fine, though having a d20 would've been easier. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi Dark, That is pretty much what I would do as well. I don't own a d100 dice because they are hard to read, and can't be brailed in any case. So I would just roll a couple of d10's and do the math to come up with a reasonable random dice roll for stat checks if there were any braille d10's to be had. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Brailling a D100 would be loopy, but to be honest most rp players I know don't own d100's, indeed I've heard people complain that they have so many faces it is too difficult to spot which one is uppermost. usually what most people do is have two d10's, with the numbers 1-10, and roll one for tens and one for units with double ten counting as 100, which obviously works fine. Back before I had Gma dice I used to do a similar thing with the d10, by rolling a d10, then having a coin toss and adding ten if the result was heads (well actually for access purposes I rolled another dice and played odds or evens, but the result was the same). Probability wise this worked out fine, though having a d20 would've been easier. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi Dark, Interesting. I've never heard of the Hero's Maze game you speak of but it sounds darn cool. The dice with swords and shields on them sounds similar to the game I have, but is called something else. Sounds to me like there are more games with picture die than I first thought. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. oddly enough when i was little we used to play a game called heroes of the maze. It was like a proto rpg, where you played knights invading a maze to battle an ogre and win magic rings. once you defeated the ogre, you got to play as him and hunt down other players, and for every win you got a knew ring, with the first to three winning the game. the board was interesting too, since rather than move set spaces, the board had a raised maze on it, and everytime you turned a little spinner under the board it moved the walls. Everything was tactile, so it was a very playable game, though not designed for blind people at all. One of the tactile elements were the dice, which had swords, shields and blanks on them, and in combat rolling different things got wins, losses or draws, and all the symbols were quite tactile. If however a certain game had pictured dice, you could either A, lable them with something noticeable, eg, s for sword, k for skull, or B, use a standard dice and draw up a result table, though that would naturally be more trouble since you'd need to look on the table yourself. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi, And braille labels also don't stick on dice for too long. I use to braille label a standard set of playing dice and the sticky stuff on the labels would wear off sooner or later and I'd have to turn around and label it all over again. So even if we could label all our d4, d10, and d20 playing dice for RPG games the labels wouldn't stick for long. The warmth of your hands and constant handling them would cause the glue to come loose, and you'd likely be labeling the dice every time you turned around. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi charlse. On rpg dice, they usually have printed numbers rather than holes. This makes sense since obviously you wouldn't want to be sitting their counting 17 holes on a 20 sided dice for instance, so no, they are not accessible I'm afraid. the closest you can do is stick braille lables on some of the larger ones, but as I said, that's really only a partial solution at best since A, it is really fidly, and B, there are dice that have faces which are simply too small to take braille lables. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Hi Dark, No, it isn't Talisman. I think the game I'm thinking of was called Battle Master or something like that. Its a strategy game where one player commands an army of knights, wizards, etc and the other plays ogres, goblins, and orcs. The roll of the dice determines how many skulls are placed on your units, and when you reach the maximum number of skulls that unit is dead and is removed from the game board. Although, it wasn't a board exactly. It was a huge plastic mat you rolled out on the floor about a meter long and a meter wide. It had hills, rivers, bridges, and other terrain to cross. In addition to the mat there was a huge plastic castle you could sit on the mat where archers and cross bowmen could be stationed for some strategic de fence. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. would that game be talisman? my brother is an avid player, but sadly there is no accessible version. As regards the rnib, well I think at least with the rnib there is considderably more involved than simply appealing to the lowest common denominator. All their publications, magazines etc, are aimed at older generations (you can get all the braille knitting patterns you want), and whenever I've been on an info day they do an hour and a half of what is tantamount to brain washing about donations from people in their wills and how much they want such donations, not to mention radio and tv adverts all aimed at older people, their latest slogan, rnib spotting the signs of site loss for over fifties is a case in point, as well as a rather amusing tortology. I have also noticed that my efforts over the years to get Rnib to do anything not! aimed at over sixties has been fruiteless, whether that is reccording more accessible books in sf and fantasy genres, our members don't like those is what I was told getting them to produce braile gamebooks or rpg manuals, or indeed getting them to promote audio games at all other than the azabat ones our members prefer simple games and don't have the tech skills is what I was told. Frankly, there is something of a conspiracy going on with the Rnib to sucker people's investments, not to mention gain government grants for services which should! be health services anyway, (charity my arse), but that is a subject for another mail. Suffice it to say that for getting accessible gaming dice, you'd be better off heading into the woods, picking up sticks and taking the time to calve them yourself, than trying to get any practical aide out of the Rnib. Myself, if a company were! to do this, I'd be looking for someone a little more friendly to access to younger blind people, rather than someone like Rnib. As you said yourself, it's not a complicated thing, indeed I'd be tempted to contact the manufacturers of rp supplies (after all they can only say no), since I have far more confidence in them than someone like Rnib or the companies they deal with. of course however, it might be that access creation aide companies in countries other than the Uk are a little better on this front, since I do know the Uk's general attitude and that of the Rnib in particular isn't particularly great when compared to places over seas anyway, and doubltess this stretches to the business world too. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Ok. Huge message that i'll send along. First of all, I love, love Talisman. I think it's an amazing game. I've played it a lot and own the base game, with plans to obtain expansion packs. Second, as reguards d100 dice, I've never seen a huge 100 sided dice, but what I have seen is an oddly shaped d10. It isn't the same shape as a standard one, and it has double zero up to 90. You roll that and a d10 and get your result. Essentially, it's just a specialized d10 for percentile rolling that is a different shape to make it easier to pick out in a hurry. Listen. I need to know how much you guys would be willing to pay, uppermost, for an individual die or a set. I'd be planning to make d4, d8, d10, d12, and d20, at least. I don't really see a need to make a d6, because they are so easily obtainable, and easy to read. I'm seriously looking at what it would take to make the dice, and I'm also aghast at the hugely expensive goal of 11 thousand dollars. That's much higher than I'd need to get started. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/20/13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, No, it isn't Talisman. I think the game I'm thinking of was called Battle Master or something like that. Its a strategy game where one player commands an army of knights, wizards, etc and the other plays ogres, goblins, and orcs. The roll of the dice determines how many skulls are placed on your units, and when you reach the maximum number of skulls that unit is dead and is removed from the game board. Although, it wasn't a board exactly. It was a huge plastic mat you rolled out on the floor about a meter long and a meter wide. It had hills, rivers, bridges, and other terrain to cross. In addition to the mat there was a huge plastic castle you could sit on the mat where archers and cross bowmen could be stationed for some strategic de fence. Cheers! On 4/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. would that game be talisman? my brother is an avid player, but sadly there is no accessible version. As regards the rnib, well I think at least with the rnib there is considderably more involved than simply appealing to the lowest common denominator. All their publications, magazines etc, are aimed at older generations (you can get all the braille knitting patterns you want), and whenever I've been on an info day they do an hour and a half of what is tantamount to brain washing about donations from people in their wills and how much they want such donations, not to mention radio and tv adverts all aimed at older people, their latest slogan, rnib spotting the signs of site loss for over fifties is a case in point, as well as a rather amusing tortology. I have also noticed that my efforts over the years to get Rnib to do anything not! aimed at over sixties has been fruiteless, whether that is reccording more accessible books in sf and fantasy genres, our members don't like those is what I was told getting them to produce braile gamebooks or rpg manuals, or indeed getting them to promote audio games at all other than the azabat ones our members prefer simple games and don't have the tech skills is what I was told. Frankly, there is something of a conspiracy going on with the Rnib to sucker people's investments, not to mention gain government grants for services which should! be health services anyway, (charity my arse), but that is a subject for another mail. Suffice it to say that for getting accessible gaming dice, you'd be better off heading into the woods, picking up sticks and taking the time to calve them yourself, than trying to get any practical aide out of the Rnib. Myself, if a company were! to do this, I'd be looking for someone a little more friendly to access to younger blind people, rather than someone like Rnib. As you said yourself, it's not a complicated thing, indeed I'd be tempted to contact the manufacturers of rp supplies (after all they can only say no), since I have far more confidence in them than someone like Rnib or the companies they deal with. of course however, it might be that access creation aide companies in countries other than the Uk are a little better on this front, since I do know the Uk's general attitude and that of the Rnib in particular isn't particularly great when compared to places over seas anyway, and doubltess this stretches to the business world too. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
