from:"DontWannaName\!"

I am highly against these ads. They are being forced upon users and can play in 
the background. They can crash clients, be forced to open twice or anytime in 
the game. They are also displayed after the motd. The coders that are making 
these are simply paid to get it done. My players would never stand for such 
poor quality servers. You should be ashamed.

Also. I think delisted servers should lose their steam group as well. The blow 
would be much harder. Maybe they will think twice. 

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Sampson Rogers kritskring...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please don't misunderstand me. I don't have a problem with ads either. My 
 servers run them. I have a problem with a community that fools the system in 
 to sending players to their servers for their views. This can be abused all 
 hours of the day and night.
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

The motd was never suppose to be for ads. It's a screen to show your players 
your site, rules news etc. not a giant ad video. Your losing out with the ad in 
the end. 

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com wrote:

 +1, aggreed if a community become successful enough to make a profit, all too 
 them. 
 
 However exploitation by using a system that draws players into a fly trap 
 just for an impression is purely wrong and I think that this should be 
 brought up to the ad company to remove there ad account.
 
 On 8/10/2012 3:16 PM, Sampson Rogers wrote:
 If communities want to make or can make money off of donations and ads I 
 have no problem with it. They're providing game play servers for us to play 
 on and if they profit, they profit. It also takes considerable time to 
 manage that many servers.
 
 The problem are these owners who throw their servers up, constantly 
 redisplay advertisements and use fake clients.
 
 But once again, for the fourth time, this isn't about advertisements, can we 
 please stop making it about advertisements? Please?
 
 This is about addressing the ease with which abusive communities can get 
 around server delistings if they're well established.
 
 
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

I'm funded 100 percent through donations. Not one dime out of pocket. When will 
you guys learn that you don't need ads, fake clients and cheating to get 
players. Are there any legit communities out there left?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com wrote:

 Then how do you pay for your servers?
 
 
 If there is a better way I would love it.
 
 
 
 On 8/10/2012 3:34 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 The motd was never suppose to be for ads. It's a screen to show your players 
 your site, rules news etc. not a giant ad video. Your losing out with the ad 
 in the end. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com 
 wrote:
 
 +1, aggreed if a community become successful enough to make a profit, all 
 too them. 
 
 However exploitation by using a system that draws players into a fly trap 
 just for an impression is purely wrong and I think that this should be 
 brought up to the ad company to remove there ad account.
 
 On 8/10/2012 3:16 PM, Sampson Rogers wrote:
 If communities want to make or can make money off of donations and ads I 
 have no problem with it. They're providing game play servers for us to 
 play on and if they profit, they profit. It also takes considerable time 
 to manage that many servers.
 
 The problem are these owners who throw their servers up, constantly 
 redisplay advertisements and use fake clients.
 
 But once again, for the fourth time, this isn't about advertisements, can 
 we please stop making it about advertisements? Please?
 
 This is about addressing the ease with which abusive communities can get 
 around server delistings if they're well established.
 
 
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Ads are pretty relevant to what these servers are doing. Most delisted servers 
so far have also ran these motds in a modified fashion. 

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Sampson Rogers kritskring...@gmail.com wrote:

 The point is that at the moment advertisements aren't really breaking any 
 Valve policy. This thread is about more effective ways to handle abusive 
 communities through delisting. Can we stop shifting the focus to 
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

The ads unless ran abusively will not provide enough money to keep a server 
online. It may supplement the bill but won't pay it all. Something should be 
done to stop abusive ads. 

I also think delisted servers should lose their steam group since it would ruin 
their ability to leverage past users to mitigate the after effect of their ban. 
 

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com wrote:

 Though half or more of the legitimate   servers also run Ads. So the fact 
 still remains that some servers are breaking the rules. If valve killed ads 
 then good bye community after community. Frankly the world is in a recession 
 and people are more and more into keeping there money in their pockets. So 
 server owners have gone to a new idea called ads to support themselves. 
 
 On 8/10/2012 4:11 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 Ads are pretty relevant to what these servers are doing. Most delisted 
 servers so far have also ran these motds in a modified fashion. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Sampson Rogers kritskring...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The point is that at the moment advertisements aren't really breaking any 
 Valve policy. This thread is about more effective ways to handle abusive 
 communities through delisting. Can we stop shifting the focus to 
 advertisements?
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Hey... A kids gotta get his fix.

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Russell Smith ve...@tinylittlerobots.us wrote:

 Out of curiosity, how many servers are you running for these   15 year olds 
 that this is such a necessity?
 
 On 10.08.2012 16:03, Cameron Munroe wrote:
 As I stated before most of my players are below 15 years and can't
 access either paypal, or don't have the money so I can't run off
 donations. I just simply can't.
 
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Maybe a single ran server. Those are cheap. Maybe 15 bucks for 32 slots.

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com wrote:

 Your statement is false as already proved early by someone talking about 
 lotusclan. You can make enough money via ads to at least pay for the bills if 
 you are setup correctly.
 
 On 8/10/2012 4:19 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 The ads unless ran abusively will not provide enough money to keep a server 
 online. It may supplement the bill but won't pay it all. Something should be 
 done to stop abusive ads. 
 
 I also think delisted servers should lose their steam group since it would 
 ruin their ability to leverage past users to mitigate the after effect of 
 their ban.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com 
 wrote:
 
 Though half or more of the legitimate servers also run Ads. So the fact 
 still remains that some servers are breaking the rules. If valve killed ads 
 then good bye community after community. Frankly the world is in a 
 recession and people are more and more into keeping there money in their 
 pockets. So server owners have gone to a new idea called ads to support 
 themselves. 
 
 On 8/10/2012 4:11 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 Ads are pretty relevant to what these servers are doing. Most delisted 
 servers so far have also ran these motds in a modified fashion. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Sampson Rogers kritskring...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 The point is that at the moment advertisements aren't really breaking any 
 Valve policy. This thread is about more effective ways to handle abusive 
 communities through delisting. Can we stop shifting the focus to 
 advertisements?
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Pinion should tell its ad providers that no one actually watches the ad and 
that a view is considered less than a second. It's a failed idea in my opinion.

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Daniel Barreiro smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 My community does this as well and it supports it 100% off of Pinion.
 
 Pinion is actually now starting a game hosting company that runs ads on your 
 MOTD, and you only pay if the ads don't make enough.  Even then, you just pay 
 the difference.  It's an ingenious idea, but it's off topic, so let's not get 
 into that one right now.
 
 
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 wrote:
 Agreed fully with your second point DWN but as to the first point, that's not 
 true at all. We run MOTD on initial connection only (When you normally see 
 the MOTD) and 100% cover the server cost off of pinion alone. 
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Oh that's sweet Russel :)

I didn't either. The more you get caught in the more you end up like just 
another McDonalds. Iv seen a lot since I started running servers 6 years ago, 
these types of ads are new and are being abused.

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On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Russell Smith ve...@tinylittlerobots.us wrote:

 Sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I was attacking you.  I am just curious 
 what would bring you to the decision of setting up ads in the motd.  Is your 
 goal to try and grow your community to the size of Lotus?
 
 Before I set up my servers I played on DWN's servers and modeled mine after 
 his.  I didn't even know ads in the motd were a thing until this thread.
 
 
 On 10.08.2012 16:38, Cameron Munroe wrote:
 Im going off on your topic since you seem to be attacking me. Lets
 talk about donations then. I used to play on lotusclan which had heavy
 amounts of donators. These donators were pretty much given semi admin
 rights on the servers where they could do what ever the hell they
 wanted and no one could do anything about it. I left and built my own
 servers because of lotusclan and the fact that donators were harming
 players that were fun, and enjoyable to have on the server.
 
 
 A successful [Owner]: provide an enviorment where any player, can
 join and have fun without fearing segregation because of age, race,
 location, or ethnicity.
 
 
 On 8/10/2012 4:33 PM, Russell Smith wrote:
 How do you define being a successful admin?
 
 On 10.08.2012 16:31, Cameron Munroe wrote:
 Actually I don't. The way I have come to slowly realize is that
 people weren't going to donate in my bracket of players. i.e. the Free
 to Play Generation.
 
 For me to be successful I need servers with MOTDs.
 
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Im sure valve would look into such claims if you reported them. They
usually respond.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:02 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can't say whether a statement is false or not based on random
 assumptions by someone who isn't even part of that community or has access
 to any real stats.  Everyone's situation/setup is different.

 Servers that go through lots of players will make more from ads then servers
 that keep players playing longer. Can you really say that a server will get
 750+ views a day? No, you can't.

 However this topic is not about communities that never got delisted (like
 Lotus) using ads. But rather about those that are being delisted and keep
 coming back with new ips doing the same thing again (and successfully).

 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com
 wrote:

 Your statement is false as already proved early by someone talking about
 lotusclan. You can make enough money via ads to at least pay for the bills
 if you are setup correctly.


 On 8/10/2012 4:19 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

 The ads unless ran abusively will not provide enough money to keep a
 server online. It may supplement the bill but won't pay it all. Something
 should be done to stop abusive ads.

 I also think delisted servers should lose their steam group since it would
 ruin their ability to leverage past users to mitigate the after effect of
 their ban.

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com
 wrote:

 Though half or more of the legitimate servers also run Ads. So the fact
 still remains that some servers are breaking the rules. If valve killed ads
 then good bye community after community. Frankly the world is in a recession
 and people are more and more into keeping there money in their pockets. So
 server owners have gone to a new idea called ads to support themselves.

 On 8/10/2012 4:11 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

 Ads are pretty relevant to what these servers are doing. Most delisted
 servers so far have also ran these motds in a modified fashion.
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Sampson Rogers kritskring...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The point is that at the moment advertisements aren't really breaking any
 Valve policy. This thread is about more effective ways to handle abusive
 communities through delisting. Can we stop shifting the focus to
 advertisements?
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

Well if they continue to do it from new IPs I would just report them
again. It worked the first time?

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 Yeah DWN I've reported the server and they've responded. They are, as you
 said, pretty good about responding to reports. It's just a little concerning
 that such servers can mitigate the consequences by swapping IPs and
 Quickplay IDs.
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Re: [hlds] Server Delisting, does it need some changes?

You are naive...

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Todd Pettit pettit.t...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe you should tell Google, Facebook, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, TNT, BRAVO, BET, 
 MTV, SPIKE, HULU
 All of which 100 percent of their revenue from ADs! What morons they are.

 Maybe you should go right to the source and tell Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McDonalds, 
 Subway, Intel, ATI, Nvidia, GE, Toyota, Ford...

 I hope you are about 10 years old. You have much to learn young padawan.

 - Original Message -
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 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
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 Pinion should tell its ad providers that no one actually watches the ad and 
 that a view is considered less than a second. It's a failed idea in my 
 opinion.

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Daniel Barreiro  smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com 
  wrote:





 My community does this as well and it supports it 100% off of Pinion.


 Pinion is actually now starting a game hosting company that runs ads on your 
 MOTD, and you only pay if the ads don't make enough. Even then, you just pay 
 the difference. It's an ingenious idea, but it's off topic, so let's not get 
 into that one right now.




 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Sampson Rogers  kritskring...@gmail.com  
 wrote:


 Agreed fully with your second point DWN but as to the first point, that's not 
 true at all. We run MOTD on initial connection only (When you normally see 
 the MOTD) and 100% cover the server cost off of pinion alone.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_announce] [hlds_linux] Mandatory TF2 update released

2012-08-02 Thread DontWannaName!

Mine are crashing with it in server cfg. They won't start unless I remove the 
cvar. 

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On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.com wrote:

 OK, I think putting it in a server.cfg is the workaround for now.
 
 We'll fix it to make it legal to set it in autoexec in a later update.
 
 Thanks for the bug report.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
 [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Claudio 
 Beretta
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:21 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Cc: Eric Smith; hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com; Half-Life dedicated 
 Linux server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] [hlds_announce] Mandatory TF2 update released
 
 setting it later from rcon doesn't crash
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Fletcher Dunn
 fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote:
 
 Thanks, we'll look into it.  Try setting it later, does it still crash 
 for you?
 
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 From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Claudio 
 Beretta
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:15 PM
 To: Eric Smith
 Cc: hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com; Half-Life dedicated Win32 
 server mailing list; Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds_announce] Mandatory TF2 update 
 released
 
 having tf_mm_servermode 1 in autoexec.cfg will make the server crash 
 at startup verified on a dozen windows and linux servers
 
 
 
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Re: [hlds] Is the policy of truth still going?

2012-07-15 Thread DontWannaName!

Or email fletcher, he usually is the one to handle these reports on the list.

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jul 15, 2012, at 12:02 PM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote:

 Press F7 on a abusive or bad gameserver that breaks the rules to report it 
 (or to report a player). Sadly not many people know about this feature.
 
 -ics
 
 15.7.2012 21:18, Daniel Barreiro kirjoitti:
 I personally think that Valve should rework the report system.
 I'm not sure about how it currently works on their side but maybe add a 
 button to the report server window that allows you to report it for breaking 
 the policy of truth. Then if a single server or multiple servers on one 
 steam account get enough reports (5-15 maybe) Valve looks into it and if 
 they're doing something major they are delisted until they fix the cause 
 (I.e. remove the fake players) and once they fix it they are relisted. Then 
 they are given a major quickplay penalty that slowly goes away over time. 
 Then if they start breaking the policy again it'll take less reports to get 
 the community looked into again and if they are breaking it they get a set 
 time delist and an even larger quickplay penalty and this repeats with more 
 severe punishments eventually leading to a permanent delist and the people 
 who ran the servers can never make new ones.
 
 The one problem I see with the quickplay penalty is they will just make new 
 identities. You could punish all the servers linked to one steam account but 
 seeing what they do now they'll just find some other way to bypass it
 
 And if the steam accounts get banned what stops them from making a new 
 account. I have no idea how the fake players work except I heard something 
 about packet spoofing, so I don't know if it's   fixable, but I'm 
 guessing not easily.
 
 I would say add a button to quickplay that allows if people want vanilla or 
 modified servers, but then the cheating servers would take over the modified 
 server connections. Maybe add a way for quickplay people to select specific 
 tags they want I.e. norespawntimes. But then the servers would just make 
 servers to.fit each option and fake it from there.
 
 The major thing that pisses me off about these servers is how much money 
 they make from the ads that the owners use to put up more of them and use 
 for their own gain. One of my servers is a 32 slot Deathrun server and it 
 has 24-31 people on it regularly (reserved slots) and I get from 1.50-3.50$ 
 a DAY from it. The advertising money goes to the servers and I never use any 
 of it.
 My community has 4 servers. A Deathrun, a Mario Kart, a ff2 and a. 24 slot 
 stock map server. The stock map one never gets filled by quickplay unless 
 there are 12 people it but he identity list says it's good and steady. I 
 have to check the numbers. That's the only one that uses quickplay since the 
 others can't.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my Android phone so ignore any errors
 
 E. Olsen ceo.eol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Personally, I think quickplay has caused more problems than it has solved - 
 primarily causing some server operators to rely on it almost exclusively to 
 get their servers going every day. The only true long-term way to build 
 consistent traffic is by having a group of like-minded people who are 
 interested in the success of   your community/servers who will seed 
 those servers (i.e. play on low-population servers to get them going) each 
 and every day. Without that, you will always be at the mercy of both a 
 system, and an anonymous/fickle traffic pool over which you have zero 
 control. It's almost ridicuous to me to read complaints about how quickplay 
 isn't filling my servers anymore!! when those of us who have been doing 
 this for years actually had to work to provide something of value to get 
 players to take note of our servers, favorite them, and keep them coming 
 back.
 
 How many people complaining about quicklplay have held special events, ran 
 tournaments, or created custom game modes/plugins/services not available 
 anywhere else to make your servers stand out? If your only complaint is 
 I've made my servers as plain as possible, yet quickplay still won't fill 
 them. , then I suppose I have to ask what exactly you have to offer than 
 Valve's hundreds of servers do not?
 
 I would actually prefer quickplay's settings to be more weighted towards 
 established, seasoned servers that maintain a high server score, as opposed 
 to randomly throwing players at servers that meet vanilla specs. That 
 would both reward server operators that maintain high-quality servers that 
 attract long-term players, AND force new server operators to actually do 
 some traffic building, as opposed just to throwing up a dozen vanilla boxes 
 and pressing the quickplay easy button to try and fill them. 
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking down my nose at new server operators, or 
 those that prefer vanilla-style gameplay. My point is - quickplay is a 
 crutch, not a solution. If

Re: [hlds] TF2 Pyromania update coming soon!

2012-06-27 Thread DontWannaName!

I believe, I believe!

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Fletcher Dunn
fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote:

  The new map name in today’s update is “sd_doomsday”

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Re: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 Update Released

2012-05-10 Thread DontWannaName!

I just got command aborted about 10 times and about a minute ago it started
the update. I even tried deleting the registry blob.

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Team BOOM! teamb...@comcast.net wrote:

 I sure wish the updates would run the first time I try. I'm constantly
 getting messages like this and have to restart them after 10 mins of
 waiting, over and over again:


 Starting the Steam Update...
 Don't close this window. If you close this window the update will still
 be executed on the server


 Stopping the game server...
 Game server has been stopped.
 Checking bootstrapper version ...
 Updating Installation
 Command aborted
 Starting the game server...
 Game server has been started.
 The Steam update has completed. You may close this window.


 I know the Content servers are busy, but this just shouldn't happen these
 days. The jobs shouldn't abort. G!!!



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 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:21 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list; Half-Life dedicated
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 server mailing list; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
 Subject: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 Update Released

 We've released a mandatory update to Team Fortress 2. The notes for the
 update are below.

 -Eric

 --

 Team Fortress 2
 - Added The Front Runner
 - Added new promotional items
 - Added the UGC Highlander Season 6 medals
 - Fixed a bug that sometimes prevented servers from reconnecting to the
 item
 server after dropping connection
 - Fixed a client crash when using custom main menu .res files
 - Fixed a bug that allowed buildings to be built in nobuild/respawn volumes
 - Updated the localisation files
 - Added Enabled/Disabled inputs for the mapobj_cart_dispenser entity
 - Added ability to add custom colors in chat messages. Use either:
  - \x07 followed by a hex code in RRGGBB format
  - \x08 followed by a hex code with alpha in RRGGBBAA format

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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2, DoD:S, and HL2:DM Updates Released

2012-04-17 Thread DontWannaName!

CSS is a separate update I believe. Im sure it will be released later.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.org wrote:

 On 2012/04/18 01:59, Kyle Sanderson wrote:

 Can we get a CS:S sync?


 Nope.avi



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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2, DoD:S, and HL2:DM Updates Released

2012-04-17 Thread DontWannaName!

It doesnt say CSS in the news...

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com wrote:

 Well TF2, HL2DM and CSS all got the update at the same time on steam
 client...

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Re: [hlds] HLDS Update Tool released

2012-04-13 Thread DontWannaName!

I suggest you output to a file but then the console output is gone. 

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Apr 13, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it's automated why do you care about the amount of output? Surely you 
 aren't going to be looking at the output, and if you are, then something 
 probably went wrong. In which case, the output is helpful.
 
 I can see absolutely 0 advantages, and several disadvantages, to disabling 
 verbose output.
 
 
 Kind regards,
 Saul Rennison
 
 
 On 13 April 2012 17:29, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.org wrote:
 I dont suppose there is an option such as -nonverbose to prevent the huge 
 amount of diagnostic lines from being displayed, for example for automated 
 applications?
 
 
 On 2012/04/12 23:43, Fletcher Dunn wrote:
 A new version of the HLDS Update Tool has been released.  The tool should 
 automatically self-update the next time you run it.  (Linux users may need to 
 re-run the tool after it self-updates to complete the installation operation 
 that was intended when launching the tool.)
 
 Changes:
 * Added significant diagnostic output
 * Fix bug causing the tool to restart the update process all over from the 
 beginning if there was an error with a single depot.
 * Fix spurious connection reset by peer error when closing connection to 
 content server, which could cause the update to restart from the beginning.
 * Tool will now reuse a connection to a depot, rather than disconnecting and 
 reconnecting
 * If the determines in the first pass that no files would actually be updated 
 from a particular depot, it will no longer needlessly connect to that depot 
 in the second pass
 * Added -nobootstrapupdate option
 
 Basically, we fixed a few of the most egregious things the tool was doing 
 that make a slow update much slower.  Queuing to connect to a content server 
 still takes up the bulk of the update time during peak times after a major 
 update is released; so don't expect miracles.  However, we are hopeful that 
 most users will see modest speedup.
 
 We also added quite verbose diagnostic output, so at least you can tell what 
 the tool is doing.  Be aware that this output may contain what appear to be 
 errors, especially when the tool is trying to connect to a content server.  
 Failures to connect are normal and the tool has always experienced them and 
 automatically retried.  The only thing new is that it is telling you what it 
 is doing.
 
 Linux users: If you get the error message Bad uSizeOfSignature, then you 
 probably have a bad version of the tool, which was posted mistakenly for a 
 few hours yesterday.  To get unstuck, replace the executable named steam 
 with this one:
 http://media.steampowered.com/apps/440/linuxhldsupdatetool_48/steam
 
 Thanks to those of you who helped beta test this tool.
 
 Thanks,
 Fletcher
 
 
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_announce] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 Update Released

2012-03-15 Thread DontWannaName!

I feel like a loser for getting my phone out to scan that haha.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.com wrote:

 We've released a mandatory update to Team Fortress 2. The notes for the
 update are below.

 -Eric

 --

 Source Engine Changes (TF2, DoD:S, HL2:DM)
 - Fixed IP bans not applying to RCON access

 Team Fortress 2
 - Added The Cozy Camper
 - Added a new TF2 sub-forum: Competitive Team Play and League discussion
 - Fixed Solider buffs and rage meters not always being reset
 - Updated The Black Rose so it can be gift wrapped
 - Updated The Phlogistinator:
   - Fixed a bug where Mmmph-crit flames could cause Mmmph to build fast
 enough to allow it to be infinitely chained
   - Direct damage reduced by 10%. Afterburn damage is unchanged
   - Defense buff time during taunt lowered from 12 seconds to 10 seconds
 - Updated arena_nucleus
   - Fixed z-fighting bug on lower platform
 - Community Requests
   - Added player_carryobject and player_dropobject game events
 - http://media.steampowered.com/apps/tf2/blog/7535.png

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Re: [hlds] Hackers on the rise

2012-03-02 Thread DontWannaName!

I thought something similar was already included in smac.

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Mar 2, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Russell Smith ve...@tinylittlerobots.us wrote:

 My server hasn't had any incidents that I'm aware of since I started using 
 SourceMod Anti-Cheat a couple months back.  If you're not running that you 
 can try it out.  Also check out Powerlord's plugin that will kick/ban anyone 
 with the fast name change scripts:
 http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=161320
 
 On 3/2/2012 2:52 PM, Aerolite Gaming wrote:
 The amount of hackers is rising bigtime, ones with name change scripts and 
 ones that stop the status command from working, basically making banning 
 them complicated. Since it's gone F2P people can just make a new account, 
 i've noticed this because they Haven't set up their steam profile yet. 
 Speedhackers + Aimbotters etc coming in every day.
 
 Anyone else faced with this?
 
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Re: [hlds] Hackers on the rise

2012-03-02 Thread DontWannaName!

True and unfortunate but the general detections are hard to get around due to 
the number of ways to actually do something. Such as aim bot, it detects the 
degrees in change, most aimbots jump from one player to another and there's not 
many ways to do that... Unless they change their aimbot to be less suspicious 
making it less useful.

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Mar 2, 2012, at 2:59 PM, AnAkIn . anakin...@gmail.com wrote:

 SMAC and other plugins won't detect all cheaters. Many cheat coders
 are testing their cheats against SMAC and change their code to remain
 undetectable.
 
 2012/3/2 Russell Smith ve...@tinylittlerobots.us:
 Oh?  Good to know.  Thanks.
 
 
 On 3/2/2012 2:56 PM, Ross Bemrose wrote:
 
 SMAC has its own version of the fast name change kicker, so you shouldn't
 need mine as well.
 
 
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[hlds] Replay Crashing Me

I cant seem to get my replay system to work correctly. When my website goes
down, it completely crashes me servers and they do not recover until the
website comes back online. I dont think this is intended, however I am
trying to avoid this problem. I am trying to setup a local http server and
that is also causing the same crashes, the error I get doesnt make sense. I
dont know what empty means because I set my host name correctly in the
local http config. It does in fact generate minidumps. Also, every web host
has downtime eventually, so no comment...

*   Testing file publisher...
*
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Fileserver type:Remote Web server
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Upload protocol:ftp
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: OK
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
*L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Hostname:
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: FAILED
*
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
**
* ** ERROR: Empty!*
*
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   FAILURE - REPLAY DISABLED! replay_enable is
now 0.
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   Address any failures above and re-exec
replay.cfg.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Replay Crashing Me

My webhost is Dreamhost which seems to be down at the moment for me...
lovely...

I have tried both, the domain name is just an A record pointing to the IP
anyways. Both gave me that error.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:

 are you using a DNS name, if so change this to a direct ip. Also who hosts
 your webserver?
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

  I cant seem to get my replay system to work correctly. When my website
 goes
  down, it completely crashes me servers and they do not recover until the
  website comes back online. I dont think this is intended, however I am
  trying to avoid this problem. I am trying to setup a local http server
 and
  that is also causing the same crashes, the error I get doesnt make
 sense. I
  dont know what empty means because I set my host name correctly in the
  local http config. It does in fact generate minidumps. Also, every web
 host
  has downtime eventually, so no comment...
 
  *   Testing file publisher...
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Fileserver type:Remote Web server
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Upload protocol:ftp
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: OK
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  *L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Hostname:
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
 FAILED
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  **
  * ** ERROR: Empty!*
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   FAILURE - REPLAY DISABLED! replay_enable
 is
  now 0.
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   Address any failures above and re-exec
  replay.cfg.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Replay Crashing Me

I run my own hardware. Game server hosts are not my thing after running
servers for so long. If it helps the IIS server works fine.



On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:

 Is this TF2 server a server that you host on a vps or deadicated server or
 is this a server that you purchase via slot?
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

  My webhost is Dreamhost which seems to be down at the moment for me...
  lovely...
 
  I have tried both, the domain name is just an A record pointing to the IP
  anyways. Both gave me that error.
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cameron Munroe 
 cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:
 
  are you using a DNS name, if so change this to a direct ip. Also who
 hosts
  your webserver?
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  I cant seem to get my replay system to work correctly. When my website
  goes
  down, it completely crashes me servers and they do not recover until
 the
  website comes back online. I dont think this is intended, however I am
  trying to avoid this problem. I am trying to setup a local http server
  and
  that is also causing the same crashes, the error I get doesnt make
  sense. I
  dont know what empty means because I set my host name correctly in the
  local http config. It does in fact generate minidumps. Also, every web
  host
  has downtime eventually, so no comment...
 
  *   Testing file publisher...
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Fileserver type:Remote Web server
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Upload protocol:ftp
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
 OK
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  *L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Hostname:
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
  FAILED
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  **
  * ** ERROR: Empty!*
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   FAILURE - REPLAY DISABLED! replay_enable
  is
  now 0.
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   Address any failures above and re-exec
  replay.cfg.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Replay Crashing Me

Turns out my web host's server is down for a file check, the one server im
on... This same kind of crash has happened when replay cant connect to my
website. The fail safe of disabling replay doesnt stop the crash, however
replay being disabled is logged. The crash comes after. Local http is
better anyways, its not that much bandwidth.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote:

 I run my own hardware. Game server hosts are not my thing after running
 servers for so long. If it helps the IIS server works fine.




 On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Cameron Munroe 
 cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:

 Is this TF2 server a server that you host on a vps or deadicated server
 or is this a server that you purchase via slot?
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

  My webhost is Dreamhost which seems to be down at the moment for me...
  lovely...
 
  I have tried both, the domain name is just an A record pointing to the
 IP
  anyways. Both gave me that error.
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cameron Munroe 
 cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:
 
  are you using a DNS name, if so change this to a direct ip. Also who
 hosts
  your webserver?
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  I cant seem to get my replay system to work correctly. When my website
  goes
  down, it completely crashes me servers and they do not recover until
 the
  website comes back online. I dont think this is intended, however I am
  trying to avoid this problem. I am trying to setup a local http server
  and
  that is also causing the same crashes, the error I get doesnt make
  sense. I
  dont know what empty means because I set my host name correctly in the
  local http config. It does in fact generate minidumps. Also, every web
  host
  has downtime eventually, so no comment...
 
  *   Testing file publisher...
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Fileserver type:Remote Web server
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Upload protocol:ftp
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
 OK
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  *L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Hostname:
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
  FAILED
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  **
  * ** ERROR: Empty!*
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   FAILURE - REPLAY DISABLED!
 replay_enable
  is
  now 0.
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   Address any failures above and re-exec
  replay.cfg.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Replay Crashing Me

Yes, they are going to hear it from me. But for future stability I want to
get this to work. I already run IIS and id like to get this working. That
error message doesnt mean much to me at all. Especially when everything
else checks out before it just fine.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:

 You can always host an apache server on that box to host the replays if
 you are having massive outages from dreamhost. I would suggest getting in
 contact with them and informing them of your outages and how it is not on
 par with what they should be providing.

 If it is windows server I suggest WAMP.
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:14 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

  I run my own hardware. Game server hosts are not my thing after running
  servers for so long. If it helps the IIS server works fine.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Cameron Munroe 
 cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:
 
  Is this TF2 server a server that you host on a vps or deadicated server
 or
  is this a server that you purchase via slot?
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  My webhost is Dreamhost which seems to be down at the moment for me...
  lovely...
 
  I have tried both, the domain name is just an A record pointing to the
 IP
  anyways. Both gave me that error.
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cameron Munroe 
  cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:
 
  are you using a DNS name, if so change this to a direct ip. Also who
  hosts
  your webserver?
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  I cant seem to get my replay system to work correctly. When my
 website
  goes
  down, it completely crashes me servers and they do not recover until
  the
  website comes back online. I dont think this is intended, however I
 am
  trying to avoid this problem. I am trying to setup a local http
 server
  and
  that is also causing the same crashes, the error I get doesnt make
  sense. I
  dont know what empty means because I set my host name correctly in
 the
  local http config. It does in fact generate minidumps. Also, every
 web
  host
  has downtime eventually, so no comment...
 
  *   Testing file publisher...
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Fileserver type:Remote Web server
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Upload protocol:ftp
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
  OK
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  *L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Hostname:
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07:
  FAILED
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  **
  * ** ERROR: Empty!*
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   FAILURE - REPLAY DISABLED!
 replay_enable
  is
  now 0.
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   Address any failures above and re-exec
  replay.cfg.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Replay Crashing Me

Ok I think its .dmx and application/octet-stream so I added that... unsure
if that would fix it though. The error sounds like some domain issue.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:29 PM, netshr...@gmail.com wrote:

 While I'm not sure what the error is exactly based on what you pasted into
 the first email, make sure you have a MIME mapping set in IIS for the file
 extensions the replay system uses.

 On 02/03/2012, at 4:26 PM, Cameron Munroe cmun...@cameronmunroe.com
 wrote:

  Here is an example of how powerful apache is.
 
  http://apache.org/server-status
 
 
  Even if you dont use it for your other sites it would be great for tf2
 replays.
 
 
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:14 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  I run my own hardware. Game server hosts are not my thing after running
  servers for so long. If it helps the IIS server works fine.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Cameron Munroe 
 cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:
 
  Is this TF2 server a server that you host on a vps or deadicated
 server or
  is this a server that you purchase via slot?
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  My webhost is Dreamhost which seems to be down at the moment for me...
  lovely...
 
  I have tried both, the domain name is just an A record pointing to
 the IP
  anyways. Both gave me that error.
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cameron Munroe 
  cmun...@cameronmunroe.comwrote:
 
  are you using a DNS name, if so change this to a direct ip. Also who
  hosts
  your webserver?
  On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
 
  I cant seem to get my replay system to work correctly. When my
 website
  goes
  down, it completely crashes me servers and they do not recover until
  the
  website comes back online. I dont think this is intended, however I
 am
  trying to avoid this problem. I am trying to setup a local http
 server
  and
  that is also causing the same crashes, the error I get doesnt make
  sense. I
  dont know what empty means because I set my host name correctly in
 the
  local http config. It does in fact generate minidumps. Also, every
 web
  host
  has downtime eventually, so no comment...
 
  *   Testing file publisher...
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Fileserver type:Remote Web
 server
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Upload protocol:ftp
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 -
 20:57:07:
  OK
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  *L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *  Hostname:
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  Validating...L 03/01/2012 -
 20:57:07:
  FAILED
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  **
  * ** ERROR: Empty!*
  *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   FAILURE - REPLAY DISABLED!
 replay_enable
  is
  now 0.
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *
  L 03/01/2012 - 20:57:07: *   Address any failures above and re-exec
  replay.cfg.
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Servers Randomly Drop Off Master Server List - WHY?

2012-01-24 Thread DontWannaName!

Is your master server list ini up to date? You could try deleting the 
directories that aren't in the tf folder. The only thing that's there that 
matters is the sv pure white list. Then you can dl a fresh copy of those steam 
files from the tool.

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Mike @ BOOM! teamb...@comcast.net wrote:

 Fellow Server Operators and Valve Readers,
  
 I have gotten into the habit of checking my TF2 servers to make sure they are 
 appearing in the Valve master server list because about every week or so they 
 just stop showing up and my player counts fall through the floor. At least 
 one or more of my servers will just randomly stop showing up in the server 
 list while the others show up just fine. It's not always the same one(s)  and 
 I have no idea why it happens.
  
 If I simply restart the server(s), they still won't show again until I run 
 the HLDSupdatetool on them, even when there's nothing to be updated. After 
 running the update tool and seeing no updates, the broken servers begin to 
 show up in the list again after they restart. I just ran an experiment and 
 copied the InstallRecord.blob file from a working server I had just run the 
 empty update on to one that still didn't show up in the server list. I 
 restarted it and it showed up correctly after receiving the new 
 InstallRecord.blob file from the other server. WTF?
  
 Has anyone else noticed this and/or know how to stop it from happening? It's 
 very frustrating to find my servers simply gone from the list and running 
 empty.
  
 Thanks in advance for any advice.
  
 Mike V.
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_announce] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 Update Released

2012-01-11 Thread DontWannaName!

I think the delay between the news and when the files are actually put on
the servers or are accessible is quite long. I just was able to start
updating both my client and server. My client and server started at the
same time, both were getting errors before. This happens with most large
updates.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.com wrote:

 We've released a mandatory update to Team Fortress 2. The notes for the
 update are below.

 -Eric

 --

 Source Engine Changes (TF2, DoD:S, HL2:DM)
 - Limit the effective FOV of players using wide-screen resolutions with
 aspect ratios wider than 1.85:1. The sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov ConVar
 can be changed to remove the restriction or make the restriction also apply
 to full-screen players.

 Team Fortress 2
 - Fixed Cp_Foundry not ending the map in the middle of a round when
 mp_timelimit is hit
 - Fixed the Spy saying 'Prego' for one of his 'Thanks!' lines
 - Fixed incorrect player animations for the Buff Banner and the
 Battalion's Backup
 - Fixed some cases where strange Ullapool Cabers and wrenches would fail
 to correctly count kills
 - Improvements for client stability
 - Updated the localization files
 - Crafting changes:
   - Added crafting recipes for weapons introduced during the holiday update
   - When selecting items for use in crafting, the items selected will show
 their quality in addition to the item name
   - Ellis's Cap can now be used as a crafting reagent
 - Item changes
   - Added The Lucky Shot helmet
   - Added The Killer Exclusive to the Mann Co. store
   - Added Mask of the Shaman to the item drop list
   - Fixed particle display problems for items with multiple effects
   - Fixed the Dr. Whoa paint not drawing correctly for the Blue team
   - Updated the Desert Marauder and the Villain's Veil so they can be
 equipped together
   - Updated the Fancy Dress Uniform and the Kringle Collection so they can
 be equipped together
   - The Bombinomicon no longer shakes the screen and has a delay before
 the explosion so that Snipers, Spies, and others can get better feedback on
 the actual cause of death
   - The Bazaar Bargain functionality has changed: only one stored head is
 lost on a miss or a bodyshot and no heads are gained when missing while
 crit-boosted


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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Policy of truth

2012-01-04 Thread DontWannaName!

Well that is good news, however a month is a very liberal punishment for groups 
that have been doing this for 3 years. 

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.com wrote:

 Today the Team Fortress team took action to bring certain server operators 
 into compliance with our previously announced honest server policy.  
 Examples of server modifications that resulted in this policy include:
 * Running bots and trying to make them appear that they were human players
 * Running bots and circumventing or modifying the usual mechanisms that the 
 bots are advertised to the server browser
 * Running with significant gameplay modifications, such as respawn times, 
 without having the proper tags on their server designed to alert quickplay 
 and automated searches about those modifications.
 
 We have not taken action against individual servers, but rather against an 
 entire related server group.  Hopefully the necessity for this policy is 
 clear.  We took two different actions, depending on the severity of 
 modification we found:
 * Preventing IP addresses from logging a TF gameserver account, which 
 excludes them from quickplay.
 * Delisting IP addresses from the master server (server browser and Quick 
 Match system) for one month.
 
 Finally, we would like to say thanks to the server operators who have 
 continued to run honest servers, and to those who heeded our earlier warning 
 and subsequently changed their practices.  We thank you for that.  We hope 
 that our actions today show that we want to help you compete for player 
 traffic on the basis of providing a good environment for players.
 
 Thank you,
 The Team Fortress Team
 
 
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released

2011-11-10 Thread DontWannaName!

I am being plagued with command aborted. :(

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Nov 10, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.com wrote:

 We've released a mandatory update for Team Fortress 2. The notes for the 
 update are below.
 
 Thanks.
 
 -Eric
 
 
 
 Source Engine Changes (TF2, DoD:S, HL2:DM)
 - Added rate limiting for connections and added the following ConVars to 
 support that:
   - sv_max_connects_sec
   - sv_max_connects_window
   - sv_max_connects_sec_global
 
 Team Fortress 2
 - Added a full moon background for the main menu
 - Added new promo items
 - Fixed a Linux dedicated server crash when using +randommap on the command 
 line
 - Fixed some bugs with the way items appear in the Steam Community and Steam 
 Trading
 - Optimized several materials to improvement performance
 - Updated the localization files
 
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Re: [hlds] Valve Security Breach

2011-11-08 Thread DontWannaName!

Im sure Steam Support will get to it as soon as they can. They dont let
these guys get away.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Mattie Casper mat...@mattie.net wrote:

 I won't discuss further here, because it's not HLDS related. But see this
 thread about reaper0628's account that got hacked:
 http://sourceop.com/modules.php?name=Forumsfile=viewtopict=90261

 Here is the before and after of the fellow's items:
   Before:
http://www.tf2items.com/id/reaper0268?time=1320668218

   After:
http://www.tf2items.com/id/reaper0268?time=1320739158

 This trader had massive reputation and buys/sells thousands of dollars in
 unusuals every month, so with the hijacked account, the hacker then
 proceeded to try to scam dozens if not 100+ people out of their
 collectables. He came to me and offered $1100 for two of mine, which is
 market value for them, but it seemed suspicious. Other people didn't get
 their spider-sense in time, and I know of at least ~$3,000 more items that
 they scammed away.

 I know Valve is overloaded right now, and so I guess the hijackers took
 the opportunity to hit hard on the TF2 collector economy. Now there are a
 whole lot more Steam Support tickets rolling in for this stuff. :(
 -Mattie


 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Jake Haldeman 
 jake.halde...@neumont.eduwrote:

 Yeah to continue flooding this mailing list with something unrelated to
 HLDS…

 ** **

 Is there a source to the claim that that account was hijacked?

 ** **

 kthxbai

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Noel
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:19 AM

 *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Valve Security Breach

 ** **

 Hey now, it's not spam, he told a good joke:

  (probably $30,000+ in value) 

 ** **

 On a more serious note, if anyone is re-using their credentials such that
 this creates some sort of security liability for their HLDS they are doing
 it wrong wrong wrong.

 ** **

 ** **

 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Saul Rennison saul.renni...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Mattie.
 

 ** **

 ** **

 Kind regards,

 *Saul Rennison*



 

 On 8 November 2011 17:11, Mattie Casper mat...@mattie.net wrote:

 Possibly unrelated, but the highest profile TF2 account with regards to
 unusual hats (probably $30,000+ in value) was hijacked last night. May just
 be opportunists taking advantage of the Steam forum chaos to make the
 biggest collectable heist in TF2 history, but it's probably wise to change
 your passwords.

 I'm not sure if Steam Support has locked the hijacked account yet, but
 it's causing incredible amounts of concern. :( Crummy situation all around.
 -Mattie

 ** **

 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:06 AM, eugenio.motanu...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you use the same username and password, it might be a good idea to
 change your password for steam. Although steam guard would keep you
 generally safe
 Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

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Re: [hlds] Report abusive servers from the main menu

2011-11-05 Thread DontWannaName!

They should be shut down or delisted. They have been faking crap for way
too long.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Drogen Viech drogenvi...@googlemail.comwrote:

 The saigns.de guys banned me for whatever reason, probably for calling
 their servers pay-to-win-infested bullshit - so i'd wanted to join and
 report them for giving out items to players they don't have (obviously
 valve didn't want this days back when purposely denying
 player-attachments?)

 (Also, they seem to fake alot of messages to trick people into
 thinking their bots are real players - they even managed to modify the
 status command output afaik)

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Re: [hlds] Plea to Valve: Fix STV For DODS

2011-11-04 Thread DontWannaName!

I just got a 4mb download for DODS. Try updating your server, are there any
updated files?

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Chet Michals the.drki...@gmail.com wrote:

I just remembered something, this is actually broken for TF2 also. Or at
the very least, it is a bug that I have encountered. A server I am an admin
on has source TV set up, but I can't connect to it when the game is full,
which makes it a bit redundant for us (It was set up for players to be able
to view the server when it is full). Could it be something wrong with the
way the server operator set it up?

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:20 PM, John Moroney morone...@bigpond.comwrote:

I know it is an old forgotten game to most but for those that do still
play the game would like updates to TF2 not to screw the game too much. STV
has been broken for an eternity. We had a workaround using the
sv_master_legacy_mode 1 command but that has even been removed now. STV is
only shown as an IP:Port now without the set STV name. In fact most STV
commands are now useless. The actual game server slots are displayed
instead of STV slots. So in other words if a 100 slot STV channel is setup
for a game server with 12 slots the STV will be 12 slots only. IT USES THE
ACTUAL GAME SERVER SLOTS!!! Passwords also migrate from the fame
server. A vast amount of DODS server operators would like to see DODS move
off the TF2 update schedule as CSS has even. Just fix the STV at least or
give us a workaround as we had before.

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Re: [hlds] TF2 Player Count Drop After Halloween

2011-11-04 Thread DontWannaName!

Maybe valve turned off their extra event servers :p

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:05 PM, RSS List User li...@redspeedservers.com wrote:

 Same just happened to me!
 
 On 11/4/2011 11:04 PM, Team BOOM! wrote:
 
 ALL 7 my servers are full again! How bizarre!
  
  
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:51 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Player Count Drop After Halloween
  
 Followed the latest Tribes (in Dec)and then first quarter 2012 will be 
 CS:GO.so   is this the inevitable slow and painful TF2 
 death?  Who knowsbut 4 years for a popular FPS with constant updates?  I 
 say it's still here for a bit longer and hats off to Valve for it.
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:41 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
 Modern Warfare 3 is next. That should give us a nice drop as well.
  
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Herover leon.l.a.niel...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think I can confirm that as a css server operator.
 I believed it was because of the new tf2 update, but I guess BF3 and
 other games have some influence too.
 
 2011/11/4 E. Olsen ceo.eol...@gmail.com:
  Actually, if you'll look at the Steam stats, it's pretty obvious that
  overall TF2 traffic has taken a downturn. Add to that all the additional
  servers that went up after F2P went live, along with a pretty cluttered
  release schedule of new PC games (BF3, etc.), and I think what most
  operators are seeing is simply a symptom of less public players overall, 
  and
  too many servers - not a problem with quickplay. With only 40k or so TF2
  players to go around, if you haven't built up a relatively large group of
  regulars, you're going to be struggling.
 
  We've seen a downturn as well (although, not in our UK-based servers, only
  in the US), but it's simply moving toward where traffic levels were prior 
  to
  F2P/quickplay. Personally, I think operators that have been relying solely
  on quickplay to fill their servers are going to have a tough go at keeping
  full servers from now on (unless, of course, Valve has another big update 
  up
  their sleeve to kick TF2 in the pants again). TF2 is a 4 year old game - 
  and
  without a large group of regulars already built up, I doubt I would launch
  and TF2 servers today. Building consistent traffic takes a ton of time and
  dedication - even when a game is new. Quickplay is a crutch, and if your
  servers can't fill without it, you're already sunk.
 
  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Tyler Davies tyler.k.dav...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I'm having the same ordeal with my servers. And I know that it's totally
  unrelated to the amount of time people have been playing in it because 
  over
  10 people (almost constantly) had been connected for more than one hour on
  the day of the most recent update. Everyone who connected to the three of 
  my
  servers stayed in for an avg. of 45 minutes to an hour and a half. Yet the
  next day, not a single soul from quickplay to be found, only the regular
  players. This all started happening after the Halloween update. This is 
  very
  bizarre because we're normally full and people stay on for an extended
  amount of time (I'd say about 45 min - 1 1/2 hours) give or take 65-70% of
  the time. Maybe this should be looked into? I don't know. But I will say
  that people play on the servers quite a bit and now quickplay is
  discriminating my servers. I've seen other servers that cannot hold a 
  single
  person in for more than 45 minutes yet quickplay keeps them full all day 
  and
  night. I don't like saying there is something wrong but I think there 
  is
  something wrong.
 
  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Team BOOM! teamb...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  I'm seeing the same thing as msleeper. I have 7 TF2 servers and all of
  them
  were running totally full of players until the day after Halloween. In
  fact
  they've been running full for months. Now all but one or two usually sit
  empty. It's like quickplay is not directing traffic to them anymore.
  Something is weird here. I don't get it. Is anyone else seeing something
  goofy like this.
 
  Mike
 
  -Original Message-
  From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
  [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 3:09 PM
  To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
  Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Quickplay Server Capacity Penalty
 
  So I'm not sure if this is related to quickplay or not, but I've
  noticed the past 2 days that my (pure vanilla, no SM or anything)
  quickplay servers have gotten next to no traffic. Which is very
  strange considering at least 1 of them usually is full of players, and
  since the start of the Halloween event they've been full nearly 20
  hours a day. Am I just drawing the short stick getting quickplay
  players, or

Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released

2011-10-27 Thread DontWannaName!

I am getting...

L 10/27/2011 - 19:34:51: [TF2] GetHoliday detour failed
L 10/27/2011 - 19:34:51: [TF2] Sigscan for GetHoliday failed - Disabling
detour to prevent crashes

with the new SM 1.4 Snapshot.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:47 PM, RSS List User li...@redspeedservers.comwrote:

  For quickplay/matchmaking, friendly fire needs to be on or off?


 On 10/27/2011 10:36 PM, Andrew DeMerse wrote:

 No crashes with SM off (unless you go to harvest)

 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM, msleeper 
 mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote:

 I'm getting this spew again on cp_manor_event:


 DataTable warning: player: Out-of-range value (346.00) in
 SendPropFloat 'm_angEyeAngles[0]', clamping.



 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Andrew DeMerse ademe...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yep, my servers are crashing. i just disabled all plugins to see if
 that'll
  fix it.
 
  On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM, formologi...@cynicalgamers.com
 wrote:
 
  My server crashed once already. I'm still investigating and have a
 backup
  server with no plugins to try to rule out that. Anyone else having
 issues?
 
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com
  Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:23:47
  To:
  'hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com'hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com
 ;
  'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing
  list'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
  'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
 hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com
  Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Subject: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
 
  Required updates for Team Fortress 2 are now available.  The specific
  changes include:
 
  - Halloween 2011 Event
- Viaduct has been haunted and is now... Eyeaduct!
- One full multi-piece costume set has been added for each class
- Random gifts containing costume pieces drop in Eyeaduct on
 registered
  servers
- 2 new Halloween 2011 achievements
- Any unusual hats uncrated during the event will be Halloween-themed
- New Halloween-themed items are available in the Mann Co. store, but
  only for a limited time!
  - Updated effects for The Cow Mangler 5000
  - Updated in-game abuse reporting tool to include option for reporting
  abusive game servers
  - Added mapcycle_halloween containing all Halloween event maps
  - Fixed team colors and styles not updating properly in store previews
  - Fixed bug in reputation trend status display for registered servers
  - Fixed a problem that could cause repeated stutters after joining a
  server
  - Fixed the Spine-Chilling Skull not appearing when equipped by
 soldiers
  - New Halloween-themed community-created items submitted to the
 Workshop
  are now available in the Mann Co. store!
 
  Jason
 
 
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Re: [hlds] Halloween 2011

2011-10-21 Thread DontWannaName!

Are you going to whitelist cp_manor_event for just Halloween? Its currently
not enabled for match making in the FAQ.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Jon Lippincott j...@valvesoftware.comwrote:

 We’re going to be launching some new Halloween content in the near future
 and wanted to give you all a quick heads-up.  There will be random gift
 drops, but this year we are requiring that participants register their
 servers.  If you choose not to register, you can still run the Halloween
 maps, but no gifts will drop on your server.  By registering, your server
 will also be included in matchmaking, which will potentially drive
 traffic to you.  Note that cheating or otherwise abusing the gift drop
 system will result in losing your registration, access to gift drops and
 other potential value-adds in the future.

 ** **

 You still have plenty of time, as this change won’t be going live until
 next week.  Registration is quick and simple, and is outlined 
 herehttps://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513#how
 .

 ** **

 -Jon

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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Reminder: your posts are public and permanent

Maybe it's time to appoint a volunteer moderator so there is less garbage on 
the list and more helpful information. It would help all of us! :)

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.com wrote:

 This post is a reminder to everybody that this email distribution list has a 
 standard language that everybody should use.  I'm not talking about using 
 Portuguese or English.  I'm talking about being nice instead of being a jerk.
 
 
 
 New people come and go all the time.  Sometimes they repeat questions that 
 have already been answered before they subscribed.  Sometimes they don't know 
 what is on topic or off topic.  There's a way to let them know politely if 
 their question is off topic, or should be directed elsewhere.  If is too 
 difficult for you to use kind words, then of course there's also the option 
 of just ignoring it.
 
 
 
 Your posts (like most things on the Internet) are both public and permanent.  
 By bearing this in mind, some people could save themselves embarrassment and 
 regret by refraining from posting childishly.  Even better would be to act 
 kindly and help the person get to the correct place where they can find the 
 answer they are seeking.
 
 
 
 Please just be kind and helpful.
 
 Try to relax.
 
 
 
 Your humble servant,
 
 - Fletch
 
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Reminder: your posts are public and permanent

If we all remember, the lists were going to be moved to the forums for 
archiving, readability and for easy moderation. This wasn't done because we all 
prefer the mailing list. However, we should find a balance with more 
moderation. You don't even have to run a server to be on this list.

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Chad Hedstrom chad.hedst...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's not a bad idea. In the last six months this went from a high
 quality, low traffic list to something similar in appearance to a
 tier-2 steam customer service support thread. While I definitely do
 appreciate this under-the-radar outreach to the community of server
 administrators, perhaps it is time to think about expanding to a
 moderated style mailing list.
 
 Thanks again for all your (Valve employees!) hard work and prompt
 replies to questions posed in this thread.
 
 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com 
 wrote:
 Maybe it's time to appoint a volunteer moderator so there is less garbage on 
 the list and more helpful information. It would help all of us! :)
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.com 
 wrote:
 
 This post is a reminder to everybody that this email distribution list has 
 a standard language that everybody should use.  I'm not talking about using 
 Portuguese or English.  I'm talking about being nice instead of being a 
 jerk.
 
 
 
 New people come and go all the time.  Sometimes they repeat questions that 
 have already been answered before they subscribed.  Sometimes they don't 
 know what is on topic or off topic.  There's a way to let them know 
 politely if their question is off topic, or should be directed elsewhere.  
 If is too difficult for you to use kind words, then of course there's also 
 the option of just ignoring it.
 
 
 
 Your posts (like most things on the Internet) are both public and 
 permanent.  By bearing this in mind, some people could save themselves 
 embarrassment and regret by refraining from posting childishly.  Even 
 better would be to act kindly and help the person get to the correct place 
 where they can find the answer they are seeking.
 
 
 
 Please just be kind and helpful.
 
 Try to relax.
 
 
 
 Your humble servant,
 
 - Fletch
 
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Reminder: your posts are public and permanent

I was thinking more like a ban from posting on the list type of moderation. A 
moderation queue works too. Maybe for certain users only. Newer users? Ruder 
users?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:56 AM, gamead...@127001.org wrote:

 Actually, archiving is the one reason I _prefer_ this list - I have a copy
 of everything ever posted, I don't have to worry about a thread derailment
 causing useful info to be possibly deleted.  That being said, moderation
 would be easier on a forum, because you can do it after the fact - a
 moderated email list requires pre-approval of every post, which basically
 means you need round-the-clock mods available.  Not practical imo
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-
 boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName!
 Sent: 20 October 2011 18:47
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Cc: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Reminder: your posts are public and
 permanent
 
 If we all remember, the lists were going to be moved to the forums for
 archiving, readability and for easy moderation. This wasn't done
 because we all prefer the mailing list. However, we should find a
 balance with more moderation. You don't even have to run a server to be
 on this list.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Chad Hedstrom chad.hedst...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 That's not a bad idea. In the last six months this went from a high
 quality, low traffic list to something similar in appearance to a
 tier-2 steam customer service support thread. While I definitely do
 appreciate this under-the-radar outreach to the community of server
 administrators, perhaps it is time to think about expanding to a
 moderated style mailing list.
 
 Thanks again for all your (Valve employees!) hard work and prompt
 replies to questions posed in this thread.
 
 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, DontWannaName!
 ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote:
 Maybe it's time to appoint a volunteer moderator so there is less
 garbage on the list and more helpful information. It would help all of
 us! :)
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Fletcher Dunn
 fletch...@valvesoftware.com wrote:
 
 This post is a reminder to everybody that this email distribution
 list has a standard language that everybody should use.  I'm not
 talking about using Portuguese or English.  I'm talking about being
 nice instead of being a jerk.
 
 
 
 New people come and go all the time.  Sometimes they repeat
 questions that have already been answered before they subscribed.
 Sometimes they don't know what is on topic or off topic.  There's a way
 to let them know politely if their question is off topic, or should be
 directed elsewhere.  If is too difficult for you to use kind words,
 then of course there's also the option of just ignoring it.
 
 
 
 Your posts (like most things on the Internet) are both public and
 permanent.  By bearing this in mind, some people could save themselves
 embarrassment and regret by refraining from posting childishly.  Even
 better would be to act kindly and help the person get to the correct
 place where they can find the answer they are seeking.
 
 
 
 Please just be kind and helpful.
 
 Try to relax.
 
 
 
 Your humble servant,
 
 - Fletch
 
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Re: [hlds] SM Crash Info Related to the TF2 Patch on 10/20/11

The gamedata changed and when you updated SM you updated to the new
gamedata. Gamedata updates are only automatic on release builds of SM, not
the snapshot branches including 1.4.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Team BOOM! teamb...@comcast.net wrote:

 Fellow Admins and Sys-ops,

 The client crashes related to player class selection that appeared with
 today's update appears to have resolved itself for our players. Hopefully
 that's behind us. I did however discover another problem you may not be
 aware of.

 We were running a 1-2 week old Snapshot of SourceMod
 (sourcemod-1.4.0-hg3412-windows) and just discovered that when slaying
 someone using my SourceMod Admin menu, my server would crash immediately.
 Perhaps this issue is also causing other SourceMod related functions to
 fail
 as well?

 I'm now running the latest versions of MM:S (1.4.0-dev) and the latest SM
 snapshot (sourcemod-1.4.0-hg3419-windows) and the problem appears to be
 resolved. You may wish to check you versions as well to see if it helps
 stabilize your servers.

 Best of luck.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma
 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released

 Required updates for Team Fortress 2 are now available.  The specific
 changes include:

 - Improvements to client stability related to loading mesh content during
 gameplay
 - Fixed an engine error that mentioned CL_CallPostDataUpdates
 - Fixed Not Usable in Crafting text not appearing under certain
 conditions
 on item tooltips in the trading UI

 Thanks,
 Tony

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Re: [hlds] SM Crash Info Related to the TF2 Patch on 10/20/11