Re: CSA page tables
Thanks, Jim. That answers my question rather completely. [:)] Dave (I know what I need to do to fix this. I'm just curious about what good reason IBM might or might not have for doing this.) (1) Pageable common storage (pageable CSA and DREF SQA) can exist in the same segment as fixed common storage (fixed CSA and non-DREF SQA). Pageable common storage processing in RSM is serialized by the Common RSMAD lock. Fixed common storage processing in RSM is serialized by the RSMGL lock. If these two types of processing could allocate and deallocate page tables, they would be doing so unserialized against each other. (2) It has certainly been this way at least since the beginning of MVS/XA. I didn't work on RSM much back in MVS/370, so I would hesitate to speculate on how it worked. However, the locking was simpler in MVS/370 - all of common storage processing in both VSM and RSM was serialized by the SALLOC lock. The The VSMPAG, VSMFIX, RSMAD, RSM, and RSMGL locks were introduced in MVS/XA (and the SALLOC lock became unused) in order to reduce SALLOC lock contention. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Dave Cole REPLY TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cole Software WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDF? (yet another apology)
From: Craddock, Chris : In a second deplorable senior moment, I confounded Shane Ginnane with : Chris Craddock. They do not always agree, and I apologize to both of : them. : : We only disagree when Shane's wrong. Ooh, couldn't agree with that ... :o) You mean we *always* agree - holy mackeral, how about that ... Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Invalid DSN in Catalog
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:35:37 -0500 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/30/2005 : at 11:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: :Is there, then, no SIOT for dynamically allocated data sets? :Not that I'm aware of; I believe that the relevant data are in the :DSAB. DSAB points to an SIOT, even for dynamically allocated datasets. :Does SVC 99 at some point invoke Interpreter code to construct a :SIOT? :Absolutely not. Something builds it. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Warning: PTF's require HDS microcode, which is not available until the second week of January.
So, does UA22489 have the same problem with HDS as UA22552? Or does it circumvent the HDS problem?? Yes it does have the same problem. Either PTF causes the same issue. I did ask that question. Thanks. John Eatherly -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Define and start JES2
New to mainframe..so the question maybe look a little silly. Here is what IEFSSN00 of our site defines JES2: SUBSYS SUBNAME(JES2) /* JES2 AS PRIMARY SUBSYSTEM */ PRIMARY(YES) START(NO) My question is concerning parmameter SUBNAME: Is it true that it must be the same name as JES2 procedure? Take the above IEFSSN00 for example,do I need to name the JES2 procedure 'JES2' also?Or I can use another name for it,say, JESA? -- Best Regards, Johnny Luo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Freezing operations of LPAR
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:40:52 -0800, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The simplest way to 'freeze operations' in an LPAR is the MVS QUIESCE command, which puts the system into a restartable wait state. I was in a shop a long time ago that routinely used QUIESCE while switching a communications front-end controller from one device to another. The pause lasted only seconds and mostly worked. Years later I tried it in another system, and VTAM got so hosed that only IPL finally straightened it out. So try it--but don't be shocked at the results. I had the same experience back in the 80's. The reason VTAM got hosed was because of the NCP. Even though the host (VTAM) is asleep, the communications controller keeps running. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
Frank Lawrence wrote: I was surprised to find today that IBM no longer offers OSA Token Ring as of the introduction of the zSeries z9-109 processor line. Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last year, but then who takes those things seriously. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. I have no information about OSA Token Ring, but you should _always_ take announced statements of direction seriously. snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: snip It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Why? I know of one that IBM implemented after rejecting it. This is not terribly unusual. Many requirements are rejected on the basis that we'll probably never get to them, even if they're good ideas. This is often because the cost of changing the code appears to put the item out of reach for the foreseeable future when compared to other things that are higher in priority. But sometimes opportunities to open up the code arise for some unrelated reason and we wind up being able to accommodate the request after it's been rejected. (I know I did this in a ServerPac design or two.) -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
Short answer is that the primary subsystem (for JES2) must be named JES2 and the procedure must have the same name. Johnny Luo wrote: New to mainframe..so the question maybe look a little silly. Here is what IEFSSN00 of our site defines JES2: SUBSYS SUBNAME(JES2) /* JES2 AS PRIMARY SUBSYSTEM */ PRIMARY(YES) START(NO) My question is concerning parmameter SUBNAME: Is it true that it must be the same name as JES2 procedure? Take the above IEFSSN00 for example,do I need to name the JES2 procedure 'JES2' also?Or I can use another name for it,say, JESA? -- Best Regards, Johnny Luo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
I believe that you are incorrect. We had one system in our sysplex have a JES2 running as JESR for several years. No problems at all. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnett Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Define and start JES2 Short answer is that the primary subsystem (for JES2) must be named JES2 and the procedure must have the same name. Johnny Luo wrote: New to mainframe..so the question maybe look a little silly. Here is what IEFSSN00 of our site defines JES2: SUBSYS SUBNAME(JES2) /* JES2 AS PRIMARY SUBSYSTEM */ PRIMARY(YES) START(NO) My question is concerning parmameter SUBNAME: Is it true that it must be the same name as JES2 procedure? Take the above IEFSSN00 for example,do I need to name the JES2 procedure 'JES2' also?Or I can use another name for it,say, JESA? -- Best Regards, Johnny Luo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
You will probably get different answers on this question. Here is my answer. My memory says that the MAIN JES2 Subsystem needs to be JES2. If you define addition JES2 subsystems (secondary) then they can be JESA, JESB, etc... The main reason is that every piece of documentation is for JES2. You might get someone confused at operations or Level2 if you say my JESA system is down. Trust me, you do not want to confuse Level2 at 0200 am with a JES is down call. Leaving it JES2 will make everything happy. Besides I am not sure if other vendors might need to see JES2 to make their products happy. I have run JES2 as the main JES2 subsystem name forever and there have not been any fallout. When I set up a JESA system, there were many factors to consider, such as third party products, documentation, NJE/RJE partners, etc... So I only had a JESA up on my test system; never in a production box. Now for the proc, personally I would keep it the same name (again for clarification). Unless you are running a very large environment, there is no need to make it any different. In the shop I was at we had 36 images running. So in our staging library we had a different JES2 proc for each image, but during our roll out procedure, it was renamed to JES2 on the target system. That way we could maintain all of our environments in one staging Proclib. Hope this helps. Lizette Koehler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SOAP for CICS
Thanks, this is what I was looking for. I will take a look at this and see how to go about implementing it. I will let you know how it goes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
No matter what you name it, keep the PROC and SUBNAME names in sync. An STC whose name matches a subsystem name is started under the MASTER instead of under the primary JES, which is what you want for JESx. (Otherwise, you would need to explicitly specify SUB=MSTR on the start command.) And, I'd expect JESx to fail if it doesn't find an SSCVT with its name. Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse - Information Technology -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnny Luo Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Define and start JES2 New to mainframe..so the question maybe look a little silly. Here is what IEFSSN00 of our site defines JES2: SUBSYS SUBNAME(JES2) /* JES2 AS PRIMARY SUBSYSTEM */ PRIMARY(YES) START(NO) My question is concerning parmameter SUBNAME: Is it true that it must be the same name as JES2 procedure? Take the above IEFSSN00 for example,do I need to name the JES2 procedure 'JES2' also?Or I can use another name for it,say, JESA? I strongly agree with all the others. Keep the SUBNAME and the PROC name the same. It simply makes it easier. However, on my sandbox, I did do the following: copy JES2 to JESX in SYS1.PROCLIB $PJES2,ABEND to terminate JES2 S JESX,JOBNAME=JES2 This did start up the JES2 subsystem. So, in your case, you __COULD__ use JESA, but you must remember to put the parameter JOBNAME=JES2 on it. The only use I see for this is if you are going to change the JES2 proc. You could copy the current JES2 proc to JESx. Update the JES2 proc and restart JES2 (or reIPL). If JES2 failed, you could try the alternate S JESX,JOBNAME=JES2 to go back to the old JES2 proc. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
I believe that you are incorrect. We had one system in our sysplex have a JES2 running as JESR for several years. No problems at all. We had a three site complex with JES2 at two sites and JES3 at another. We always called the sub-systems 'JES', with no number. It made automation easier. When we converted the JES3 shop to JES2, we never changed the sub-system names. The reason we converted was because we couldn't find any SYSPROGs to support JES3, after we converted to MVS/XA. -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Not Responding HTTP Server
Question posed by me late last week with latest status below. We are running z/OS V1R6 with Host-on-Demand V7 running within the HTTP Server. We have noticed that the HTTP Server will just stop dispatching tasks. After a while it will return to normal and go for many hours before doing it again (already recycled it a few times). Needless to say the HOD users think the system is down, blow themselves off their session and try to get back on with CICS not knowing they left. T'is ugly. The resolution to this is not final but things are again working. The HTTP Server has a setting for maxthreads which set at the default of 40. Seems each time things stop it has gotten to 39. IBM's recommendation is to bump this to 200 for the HTTP Manager setting and 40 for the HTTP Server (we choose 100). Along with this HOD was set to timeout after 10 minutes of inactivity of some sort; based upon Red Book guidance of some years ago. IBM said to drop it down to 30 secs. It seems if a user closes the browser without terminating HOD, then it hangs onto the thread. Indeed the HTTP Server is only used to download HOD and also if HOD HELP is needed. We made the adjustments on the fly and everything is working fine. Jim Marshall -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: controlling user who can mount tape.
Allocations of scratch tape mounts can be controlled if in an SMS tape environment such as a VTS or 3494 library. The SMS routines have access to info such as the RACF userid, group, and job name and can fail execution for those who aren't your loved ones. The SMS routines are not called for existing datasets in these environments, so they cannot prevent users from mounting existing tape datasets. Ben Alford Enterprise Systems Programming University of Tennessee[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: controlling user who can mount tape.
Ben Alford wrote: Allocations of scratch tape mounts can be controlled if in an SMS tape environment such as a VTS or 3494 library. The SMS routines have access to info such as the RACF userid, group, and job name and can fail execution for those who aren't your loved ones. The SMS routines are not called for existing datasets in these environments, so they cannot prevent users from mounting existing tape datasets. SMS ACS routines are not the best thing to control who's allowed to do anything. That's RACF domain. Fortunately RACF SMS can play together: SMS assigns MGMTCLAS and STORCLAS and these resources are controlled by RACF. This is the time solution for scratch mount only, however access to existing tape datasets can be protected by DATASET class and/or TAPEVOL class. This works for both SMS-managed library tapes and stand-alone (or Storagetek resident) tapes. SMS ACS routines are only for system-managed (read IBM) tape libraries. It can be circumvented by defining STK library as MTL (Manual Tape Library), but AFAIK it is not popular among STK users. My $0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6121/1/ Novell's New CTO/EVP Mulls 2006 Linux Strategy LinuxPlanet - Darien,CT,USA ... Over the years, he observed, the fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows. ... Linux is the next big opportunity. HUH? I missed that shift... I must have been too busy still getting work done with MVS:-) Anyway some interesting sound bites. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 An architect's most useful tools are an eraser at the drafting board, and a wrecking bar at the site - Frank Lloyd Wright This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Knutson, Sam Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6121/1/ Novell's New CTO/EVP Mulls 2006 Linux Strategy LinuxPlanet - Darien,CT,USA ... Over the years, he observed, the fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows. ... Linux is the next big opportunity. HUH? I missed that shift... I must have been too busy still getting work done with MVS:-) Anyway some interesting sound bites. Probably talking about number of companies using the various products. I.e. at one time, all major and most smaller shops were IBM mainframe shops. They'd run some derivative of OS/360 (VS1, MVS, ...) or DOS (VSE). I never heard of the UNIX wave for commercial shops. Now, many smaller shops are using Windows as their main computing platform (hope they have GOOD firewalls and virus protection!). The avante garde (again smaller shops) are now getting more into Linux. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then...
In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:12:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I missed that shift... I must have been too busy still getting work done with MVS:-) _http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20060102.html_ (http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20060102.html) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
Sam Knutson said; Novell's New CTO/EVP Mulls 2006 Linux Strategy LinuxPlanet - Darien,CT,USA ... Over the years, he observed, the fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows. ... Linux is the next big opportunity. HUH? I missed that shift... I must have been too busy still getting work done with MVS:-) Take that with the appropriate sized grain of salt, but more and more things are going to start showing up on Linux. Ubiquity and cost are good reasons to favor Linux as the server of choice for -managing- IT resources. CCL is just the tip of the iceberg. As Jim Porell says; z/OS is deaf and blind, but it's the best platform for secure data-intensive applications. Why should we bust our asses reinventing z/OS capabilities on Linux (or any other platform) and at the same time, why reinvent Linux on z/OS? Both have a role to play. They already work well together and together they are significantly greater than the sum of their parts. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:12:09 -0500, Knutson, Sam wrote: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6121/1/ During his first month on the job at Novell, Dr. Jeffrey ('Jeff') Jaffe has roved the globe, culling ideas from his new colleagues about company strategy around Linux and open source in 2006 and future years to come. 'It's important to get a hearing of ideas. We can then choose which ideas fit best with where the market is going with open source,' according to Jaffe, a former IBM and Lucent exec recently named to the newly created post of CTO/EVP at Novell. I'd like to know if Novell's Dr. Jeff Jaffe is related to ibm-main's own Ed Jaffe. Ed? -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
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When was the leap second inserted?
Linkname: NIST Time and Frequency FAQ URL: http://tf.nist.gov/general/leaps.htm#Anchor-52904 What is a leap second? A leap second is a second added to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) to make it agree with astronomical time to within 0.9 second. I don't believe the 0.9 second constraint can be maintained while inserting more than one leap second at a time. Proof is left as an exercise for the reader. Yers. A bit mind-buggering. If we are not close enough to 0.9 seconds in December and we are subsequently close enough to 1.9 seconds in June - we need to abandon the plamet. Female children and the odd male first. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
Novell's New CTO/EVP Mulls 2006 Linux Strategy LinuxPlanet - Darien,CT,USA ... Over the years, he observed, the fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows. ... Linux is the next big opportunity. HUH? Word here in Sheffield is that IBM will significantly de-emphasise zLinux this year. As always, it's worth what you paid for it. And my liability is limited to the same amount. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Un ix, and then to Microsoft Windows
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Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
Tom Schmidt wrote: During his first month on the job at Novell, Dr. Jeffrey ('Jeff') Jaffe has roved the globe, culling ideas from his new colleagues about company strategy around Linux and open source in 2006 and future years to come. 'It's important to get a hearing of ideas. We can then choose which ideas fit best with where the market is going with open source,' according to Jaffe, a former IBM and Lucent exec recently named to the newly created post of CTO/EVP at Novell. I'd like to know if Novell's Dr. Jeff Jaffe is related to ibm-main's own Ed Jaffe. Ed? Not that I know of. But we know almost nothing of the Jaffe family history prior to my paternal grandfather's immigration from Russia to the United States. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: fundamental computing paradigm has shifted from MVS, to Unix, and then to Microsoft Windows
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Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
I did a search on GOOGLE for SC28-6830 and got this: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2d37db3ef98da032e85256e550073182caid=1 Kittendorf, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/03/2006 15:46 Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
i found it here... http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2d37db3ef98da032e85256e550073182caid=1 - Original Message - From: Kittendorf, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kittendorf, Craig Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig Every book you could ever want is likely to be somewhere starting at: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/Shelves/ It takes slightly longer than forever to load, however. I think the book would be in there. But my stupid Windows system just locked up on Firefox trying to load it. What is curious, is that it appears to have LICENSED manuals available on it. Plus others that I've never heard of. Not all of which are in English! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
Thanks Alan! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan C. Field Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I did a search on GOOGLE for SC28-6830 and got this: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2d37db3ef98da032e85256e5 50073182caid=1 Kittendorf, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/03/2006 15:46 Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Myopia ...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:22:11 +0800, Ron and Jenny Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] CABLE.COM wrote: Of course, this all assumes that customers have workplace access to the internet - not always true in some Asian Countries. ... Not always true in some US companies. We have no mainframe access to the internet. We have browser-only access to the internet from our desktop. To FTP to/from the internet we must use a PC with no access from our LAN, sneaker-netting between that PC and a LAN-attached PC that can FTP to/from MVS. Using a browser-based FTP eliminates the sneaker-net step but still makes it a 2-step process. This is all in the name of security. This, of course, inspires people to try to break the security system just so they can do their job. And it makes doing our job a royal pain. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
Thanks John, I've bookmarked it... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kittendorf, Craig Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig Every book you could ever want is likely to be somewhere starting at: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/Shelves/ It takes slightly longer than forever to load, however. I think the book would be in there. But my stupid Windows system just locked up on Firefox trying to load it. What is curious, is that it appears to have LICENSED manuals available on it. Plus others that I've never heard of. Not all of which are in English! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830?
Thanks Rob! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Schwartz Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? i found it here... http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2d37db3ef98da032e85256e5 50073182caid=1 - Original Message - From: Kittendorf, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? Where can I find this doc: Hardware Management Console Operations Guide (V1.8.2) SC28-6830? I can't find it on IBM Library Server Library site. Thanks, Craig -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
New Tape units
Our year end 'sweet deal' from IBM was a tape 'robot'. The IBM 3494 system. We don't do near enough tape processing to justify the VTS. Two robots, actually, one for our production site and one for the BR site. This system is to replace our two antique 3490 ACL units and two aged 3590 ACL units. Wanna buy some tape drives, cheap? ;-) We are using DFSrmm as our tape control software. All tapes are strictly for backup. No input tape allowed. And we don't plan to change that. The next phase is to leverage the two robots to do each others offsite backups. We are being told that the library system is 100% SMS controlled. We have had robots in the past, but had never heard this as a requirement. It this your experience? We intend to rework all of what little tape processing we have to exploit the new units. Does anyone have some thoughts for a migration plan? Did you have to invent some processing, such as off site tape ejects? Any other things we should be aware of? Thanks, the very best of the new year to all. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
XML TOOLKIT Installation question.
I am attempting to install the XML toolkit for z/os 1.8. I get to a certain point in the installation instructions and confusion arises. Any help would be appreciated. I will summarize below, where I am and where I am confused. Thanx in advance Brad Taylor 1. I have downloaded and read the instructions. 2. I have created a download directory for the install package in a separate HFS and mounted it. MKDIR '/u/cbt1' MODE(7,5,5) MKDIR '/u/cbt1/xml18' MODE(7,5,5) MOUNT FILESYSTEM('USER.XML18.HFS') + MOUNTPOINT('/u/cbt1/xml18') + TYPE(HFS) MODE(RDWR) 3. I have created my own CSI for all SMP/E jobs. 4. I have updloaded the file from my workstation to the download directory created above. 5. I have unpaxed the uploaded file oshell cd /u/cbt1/xml18/ pax -rvf /u/cbt1/xml18/xml180.pax.Z 6. I have GIMUNZIPed unpaxed data createing the smp/e relfiles 7. I created the GLOBAL, TARGET, and DLIB zones in the smp/e csi. 8. I allocated the smp/e datasets SIXMEXP, AIXMEXP, AIXMHFS, SMPLOG, SMPPTS 9. I did the SMP/E RECEIVE for the FMIDs HXML160, HXML170, HXML180. The next thing I am supposed to do is run a JOB IXMISMKD from the F1 relfile. The program directory indicates that this could be installed in its own HFS, which is what I want to do. However there is no indication of sizing information or how to do that. I am thinking that I should create an HFS and mount it at /usr/lpp/ixm, since this is where the directory structure is created by the IXMMKDIR exec supplied as part of the installation. Since /usr/lpp/ixm already exists, in a read-only file system, I am thinking that I also need to temporarily mount that read/write and delete the ixm directory, prior to mounting the newly created file system. So my questions are: 1. where do I get sizing information, or is that AIXMHFS file allocated earlier somehow related (does not look like an HFS). 2. is createing and mounting the HFS at /usr/lpp/ixm, the correct thing to do? The following from the program directory. 6.1.7 Allocate HFS Paths The IXMISMKD job invokes IXMMKDIR exec to create the ixm directory under -PathPrefix-/usr/lpp where -PathPrefix- is the high level directory name. Insure the directory path -PathPrefix-/usr/lpp exists prior to running this job. Edit and submit sample job IXMISMKD to allocate the HFS paths for the Toolkit. IXMISMKD must be run from the Toolkit V1.8.0 relfiles. Consult the instructions in the sample job for more information. If you plan to create a new HFS for this product, you should consider updating the BPXPRMxx PARMLIB member to mount the new HFS at IPL time. This may be helpful if an IPL occurs before the installation is complete. Expected Return Codes and Messages: The job is considered successful if return code zero is received. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML TOOLKIT Installation question.
Think very, very large. Our XML HFS is about half the size of the z/OS logical root. (z/OS 1.8? You are certainly in reach-ahead mode.) Data Set Name . . . : OSR17.OMVS.XML General Data Current Allocation Management class . . : **None** Allocated tracks . : 20,585 Storage class . . . : **None** Allocated extents . : 2 Volume serial . . . : R17CAT Maximum dir. blocks : NOLIMIT Device type . . . . : 3390 Data class . . . . . : **None** Organization . . . : POCurrent Utilization Record format . . . : U Used pages . . . . : 222,720 Record length . . . : 0 % Utilized . . . . : 90 Block size . . . . : 0 Number of members . : 21,006 1st extent tracks . : 18713 Secondary tracks . : 1872 Data set name type : HFS Creation date . . . : 2005/06/29 Referenced date . . : 2006/01/01 Expiration date . . : ***None*** As for mounting, we use this in BPXPARM for the SMP/E install-only HFS: MOUNT FILESYSTEM('OSR17.OMVS.XML') TYPE(HFS) MODE(RDWR) MOUNTPOINT('/OSR17/usr/lpp/ixm/IBM/') You don't have much flexibility in the mount point because of the assumptions made by various components about the location of other components. Same goes for the run-time HFS. . . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/03/2006 02:46:57 PM: I am attempting to install the XML toolkit for z/os 1.8. I get to a certain point in the installation instructions and confusion arises. Any help would be appreciated. I will summarize below, where I am and where I am confused. Thanx in advance Brad Taylor 1. I have downloaded and read the instructions. 2. I have created a download directory for the install package in a separate HFS and mounted it. MKDIR '/u/cbt1' MODE(7,5,5) MKDIR '/u/cbt1/xml18' MODE(7,5,5) MOUNT FILESYSTEM('USER.XML18.HFS') + MOUNTPOINT('/u/cbt1/xml18') + TYPE(HFS) MODE(RDWR) 3. I have created my own CSI for all SMP/E jobs. 4. I have updloaded the file from my workstation to the download directory created above. 5. I have unpaxed the uploaded file oshell cd /u/cbt1/xml18/ pax -rvf /u/cbt1/xml18/xml180.pax.Z 6. I have GIMUNZIPed unpaxed data createing the smp/e relfiles 7. I created the GLOBAL, TARGET, and DLIB zones in the smp/e csi. 8. I allocated the smp/e datasets SIXMEXP, AIXMEXP, AIXMHFS, SMPLOG, SMPPTS 9. I did the SMP/E RECEIVE for the FMIDs HXML160, HXML170, HXML180. The next thing I am supposed to do is run a JOB IXMISMKD from the F1 relfile. The program directory indicates that this could be installed in its own HFS, which is what I want to do. However there is no indication of sizing information or how to do that. I am thinking that I should create an HFS and mount it at /usr/lpp/ixm, since this is where the directory structure is created by the IXMMKDIR exec supplied as part of the installation. Since /usr/lpp/ixm already exists, in a read-only file system, I am thinking that I also need to temporarily mount that read/write and delete the ixm directory, prior to mounting the newly created file system. So my questions are: 1. where do I get sizing information, or is that AIXMHFS file allocated earlier somehow related (does not look like an HFS). 2. is createing and mounting the HFS at /usr/lpp/ixm, the correct thing to do? snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Warning: PTF's require HDS microcode, which is not available until the second week of January.
So, does UA22489 have the same problem with HDS as UA22552? Or does it circumvent the HDS problem?? Yes it does have the same problem. Either PTF causes the same issue. I did ask that question. So IBM needs to add the AI to the superceding PTFs. Did they volunteer to do so? -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/Linux to p/Linux
If IBM de-emphasizes z/Linux, it would almost certainly be in favor of p/Architecture (and p/Linux) rather than in favor of z/OS (or z/VM). As pure speculation... I would not be surprised to see mixed p/Arch-z/Arch sysplexes sharing high-powered hierarchal file systems (or raw files) using the coupling facility (NB... a raw file is a physical or logical file system partition with low-level access... somewhere between Media Manager and I/O driver level). -- John R. Grout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Define and start JES2
Short answer is that the primary subsystem (for JES2) must be named JES2 and the procedure must have the same name. Baloney. Here is the start of the IEFSSNxx member from my Test system called MVS4 so JES2 runs as JES4; SUBSYS SUBNAME(SMS) /* SMS SHOULD BE THE FIRST ENTRY*/ INITRTN(IGDSSIIN) INITPARM('ID=00,PROMPT=DISPLAY') SUBSYS SUBNAME(JES4) /* JES4 IS THE PRIMARY SUBSYSTEM NAME */ PRIMARY(YES) START(YES) The only complication is one of the CA products (11) specifies the subsystem name in its start command, so check the CAUTOCMD member of PPOPTION. Also remember that the command to shut it down is $PJES2, not $PJES4. Good luck DC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html