Re: [LegacyUG] import tree from Family search

2020-02-09 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
Well fortunately I uploaded to a test legacy family treeNot the one I have been 
working on for 20 + years
Thank YouSteve Ostheimer 

On Sunday, February 9, 2020, 12:02:26 PM PST, C.G. Ouimet 
 wrote:  
 
 Possibly 42370 doubts... 

The fun part will be removing the doubts... 

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ONFrom: Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup 
Sent: Sun Feb 09 13:30:35 EST 2020
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Cc: Steve Ostheimer 
Subject: [LegacyUG] import tree from Family search
 
When I import a tree from Family search I will go one level up and one level 
down once I have checked Census and marriage license and birth records. I 
import that tree. Watching one of the legacy family tree webinars, it said you 
go go up 100 and down 100. So I tried up 20 and down 20 on a test Legacy tree 
and 18 hours later and 42379 family members added. I
did a family tree view and there is only one tree, How many have done this and 
can you really trust everything imported. I have douts. Thanks Steve o-- 

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[LegacyUG] import tree from Family search

2020-02-09 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
When I import a tree from Family search I will go one level up and one level 
down once I have checked Census and marriage license and birth records. I 
import that tree. Watching one of the legacy family tree webinars, it said you 
go go up 100 and down 100. So I tried up 20 and down 20 on a test Legacy tree 
and 18 hours later and 42379 family members added. I
did a family tree view and there is only one tree, How many have done this and 
can you really trust everything imported. I have douts. Thanks Steve o-- 

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[LegacyUG] Family search

2020-01-08 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
When I click on family search button in Legacy 9 it  does not show the chidden.
It is probably in the setting but I have no idea where.
Steve
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[LegacyUG] Census

2019-08-29 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
Long time Family tree user and switched to Legacy 9 last year and really like 
it better than Family tree.I do struggle with searching census records with 
legacy 9 and family search.What is the best way to do the research. Steve 
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[LegacyUG] Census vs residence

2019-08-05 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
Legacy 9 Census vs residence
 Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as residence
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the preferred thru the 
Legacy User GroupIUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.Is they 
a way to change all residence to census.ThanksSteve Ostheimer-- 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Whatever happened to Animap?

2019-07-15 Thread Steve & Shirley


Google earth has an app that will do basically  the same thing. I don’t 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

2019-04-04 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
These are the steps I used: Close your file and re-open it.  Worked when I 
deleted AppData1. Close your file and re-open it. 
2. Click on File > File Maintenance > Check/Repair and proceed with the repair. 
If any error messages occur during the check and repair process, click No in 
the error message box so that the repair steps can finish.  Do check and repair 
twice if errors are found. If the program works, you can stop here.  No further 
repairs are needed.  If the program is still freezes, proceed with the 
following steps:3. Reset your Legacy options. Please click on Options > 
Customize and then:LEGACY: click on Options for Default Settings > Reset to 
Legacy-Defaults and click Yes to confirm the reset. Next click Save.

LEGACY 7.5 OR EARLIER: click the Reset to Defaults button at the bottom of the 
screen, confirm the reset and then Save.4. Browse to Documents>legacy Family 
Tree>_AppData>USR on your computer and delete the entire USR folder.  These 
files contain user settings to customized background colors, screen fonts, 
window sizes, startup family, report settings, as well as file locations, etc. 
There is no family data in any of these files, so deleting them does not delete 
your data. Upon start up, Legacy will recreate the files to their default 
settings.
Thanks Steve

  From: Chris Hill 
 To: Legacy User Group  
 Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 6:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing
   
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UI;font-size:12pt;}My guess is that you have a problem with one of the various 
configuration files that Legacy uses. The best solution would be to remove 
Legacy and then reinstall it from the latest version downloaded from their 
website.
1. Make backup copies of your data base, probably in 
C:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\Data, unless you put them somewhere 
else. You need to save the x.fdb and any other files named x*.*, except 
for a x.ldb which you can delete (it is the lock file used by the Access 
database that Legacy uses and if present it would block access to the 
database). Also make backups of the media files, probably in 
C:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\Media. Hopefully, this is just a 
backup you won't need. Remember your customer account number from Legacy / 
About / General.
2. Uninstall Legacy from the Control Panel Applications.
3. Clear out any files left in C:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family 
Tree\_AppData and lower folders. This will clear out all of the many 
configuration and internal work files. It might be worth looking in 
C:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Log to see if there are any 
errors logged. You might also want to backup any configuration files that you 
modified within Legacy \ Options, these will be in  
C:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Usr and named Legacy1.usr 
to Legacy9.usr.
4. Clear out any files left in C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy9 and lower, just 
in case any of then are corrupt and do not get replaced on an install.
5. Run an anti-virus check on your PC to ensure that it is clean.
6. Download the latest version from 
https://legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadLegacy.asp#Download. Just take the free 
version and use your customer account number to update it to the Deluxe version 
if you need to.
7. Install the latest version. Your database and media should still be in place 
and Legacy should now be working.
Regards
Chris
-- Original Message --From: "Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Cc: "Steve Ostheimer" 
Sent: 04/04/2019 02:32:01Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 
9 Freezing

If I edit anyone in my data base it locks up and then I have to close the 
window and sometimes Atrl Alt DeleteI started a new family tree with one person 
in the database and it still locks upSteve O 

  From: Chris Hill 
 To: Legacy User Group  
 Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing
  
Hi
What were you actually doing when it freezes??
Can you just load your file and run a Check/Repair on it??

Regards

Chris

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

2019-04-03 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
If I edit anyone in my data base it locks up and then I have to close the 
window and sometimes Atrl Alt DeleteI started a new family tree with one person 
in the database and it still locks upSteve O 

  From: Chris Hill 
 To: Legacy User Group  
 Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing
   
Hi
What were you actually doing when it freezes??
Can you just load your file and run a Check/Repair on it??

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019, 21:48 Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup, 
 wrote:

Legacy 9 Freezing up and have to restart the program
The updates are done, but still locks up the softwareSteve O-- 

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[LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

2019-04-02 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
Legacy 9 Freezing up and have to restart the program
The updates are done, but still locks up the softwareSteve O-- 

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[LegacyUG] Unlinking Spouse locks up Legacy

2018-08-23 Thread Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
The original message to the list is in the attachment.

This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy
imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages
without conversion to attachments should use a different email address
for their subscription.

Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require
this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email
providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.--- Begin Message ---
I have one great grandfather who is link to the same wife more than 
onceUnlinking the Spouse locks up Legacy, and I have to reboot the programAny 
ideasThanks 
Steve O
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

2018-02-04 Thread Steve Wilson
Hi,

 

I have to agree with Paul. This needs to be a priority for Millennia,

 

Thanks, Steve Wilson

Gaithersburg, MD

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul Rogers
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:16 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

 

I was a heavy user of the mapping feature and was in the middle of a large 
verification project which has now had to be put on the back burner.

 

What concerns me though is that we have heard very little from Millennia about 
this. Are they doing a work-around? Or perhaps doing a re-write to use Google 
maps instead (my personal preference)?

 

It would just be nice if they kept us in the loop as to what was happening.

 

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018, 13:46 Brian Kelly, <exma...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ian,

Because the old API for mapping was discontinued by Microsoft ALL
versions of Legacy which used mapping no longer work. That includes 7.5,
8.0 and earlier builds of 9.0. There is no way to revert to an earlier
version where you can still use mapping.

Brian Kelly

On 29-Jan-18 3:47 AM, Ian Thomas wrote:
> But I wouldn’t revert to a prior version of Legacy FT in which it was still 
> working… I would lose too many nice new features in v9.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Geo-Code

2018-01-04 Thread Steve Wilson
Hi,

 

I just recently purchased and downloaded the new version of Legacy. 

 

I use the Bing Maps and geo-code extensively. 

 

I am extremely disappointed to discover that this part of the program was not 
working at the time to updated program was made available.

 

How long will I have to wait before this problem is fixed?

 

Steve Wilson

Gaithersburg, MD

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sue Irons
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 12:00 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Geo-Code

 

Thank you Cathy for your quick response!  It's greatly appreciated even it's 
not exactly what I was hoping for :-)

Sue

 

On 1/1/2018 9:52 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

Maps are currently broken in all versions of Legacy and have been for some 
time. 
I understand it requires a lot of re-writing to fix and the programmers are 
working on it.

Cathy

Sue Irons wrote:




Hello

I've tried to use the Geo-Code button at the top of the Master 
Location List but I'm getting a message, "Bing Maps has not finished 
loading yet.  Geo-coding of all lcoations id not available until the 
map is loaded."  I've waiting several months for the Bing Maps to 
finish loading  Is there something else going on, or perhaps a 
setting needs to be adjusted?

My connection to the internet is fine through Legacy, so that's not 
the problem.

Using Legacy Deluxe on Windows 10.

Thanks for any help.






 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Report Query

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Bird
Cathy

Your method for q1 was simple and straight forward and I really didn’t get it 
from the help file.  So again thanks

Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cathy Pinner
Sent: 03 November 2017 09:14
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Report Query

Steve,

Q1 the Statistics Report may give you a starting point. It reports how many 
with a birth date in various centuries. Highlight the line for the earliest and 
you can create a search list for those people.

The search list (or the name list if you miss this step) can be exported with 
birthdate to csv. Because Excel only recognises dates from 1901 you either need 
to use a different spreadsheet or change the column from dates to general. If 
you do this it's best to have changed the date format in Legacy first at 
Options-Customise 5.1 to the -mm-dd option. You still have problems with 
sorting when dates have prefixes but at least they're sorted together.

If you've got some idea you can also get a list from Search - Find - Detailed 
Search
Individual - Birth date - before - 

RE Addresses. I don't use them. I add my addresses t o the location. Addresses 
have lots of limitations that locations don't have.

But note addresses have the option of adding a Sort string. Whether it would be 
easier to include them in your csv from the Name List/Search List and sort in a 
spreadsheet,  I'm not sure. I'm not even sure whether you can include Event 
Addresses in the csv. I think you probably can only include Mailing addresses. 

Cathy

Steve Bird wrote:


Hi Team

Only been using this product for 6 months (before that long term TMG 
user).

Q1  How can I run a report which tells me who has the earliest Birth 
Date In the tree.

Q2 on Event Addresses how can I re-order them (or export just this 
field) by house number to pick up where I may have duplicate addresses 
(different families moving into the same house  at different times, or 
same family moving back to an old address)

Thanks for an y help

Steve


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Re: [LegacyUG] Report Query

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Bird
Cathy

Thanks for the fast response

Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cathy Pinner
Sent: 03 November 2017 09:14
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Report Query

Steve,

Q1 the Statistics Report may give you a starting point. It reports how many 
with a birth date in various centuries. Highlight the line for the earliest and 
you can create a search list for those people.

The search list (or the name list if you miss this step) can be exported with 
birthdate to csv. Because Excel only recognises dates from 1901 you either need 
to use a different spreadsheet or change the column from dates to general. If 
you do this it's best to have changed the date format in Legacy first at 
Options-Customise 5.1 to the -mm-dd option. You still have problems with 
sorting when dates have prefixes but at least they're sorted together.

If you've got some idea you can also get a list from Search - Find - Detailed 
Search
Individual - Birth date - before - 

RE Addresses. I don't use them. I add my addresses t o the location. Addresses 
have lots of limitations that locations don't have.

But note addresses have the option of adding a Sort string. Whether it would be 
easier to include them in your csv from the Name List/Search List and sort in a 
spreadsheet,  I'm not sure. I'm not even sure whether you can include Event 
Addresses in the csv. I think you probably can only include Mailing addresses. 

Cathy

Steve Bird wrote:


Hi Team

Only been using this product for 6 months (before that long term TMG 
user).

Q1  How can I run a report which tells me who has the earliest Birth 
Date In the tree.

Q2 on Event Addresses how can I re-order them (or export just this 
field) by house number to pick up where I may have duplicate addresses 
(different families moving into the same house  at different times, or 
same family moving back to an old address)

Thanks for an y help

Steve


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[LegacyUG] Report Query

2017-11-02 Thread Steve Bird
Hi Team

Only been using this product for 6 months (before that long term TMG user).  

Q1  How can I run a report which tells me who has the earliest Birth Date In 
the tree.
Q2 on Event Addresses how can I re-order them (or export just this field) by 
house number to pick up where I may have duplicate addresses (different 
families moving into the same house  at different times, or same family moving 
back to an old address)


Thanks for any help

Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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[LegacyUG] Farewell, and thanks for all the help

2017-04-20 Thread Steve Hayes
I think I'll be leaving this list now that Legacy 9 had been released.

I don't think I'll be upgrading, as most of the new features do not interest 
me, and program bloat tends to make one's computer run slower. 

And it seems that most of the traffic here will be about Version 9 from now 
on, so it's time to say goodbye.

Thanks to all the helpful people here for help received. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Difference between 8 and 9

2017-04-18 Thread Steve Hayes
On 18 Apr 2017 at 13:05, Sherry wrote:

> You can see the new features on the Legacy website at
> 
> http://legacyfamilytree.com/WhatsNew9.asp

Is there any difference in hardware (eg memory) requirements?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Contributor email in FamilySearch

2017-04-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Apr 2017 at 7:05, Theakston Family Tree wrote:

> I'm new to Legacy and have been using the FamilySearch feature.  I notice that
> some contributors have their name and email address recorded for entries or
> changes they make in FamilySearch.  I can see this information when I click on
> the "i" information icon at the far right of a FamilySearch entry.  Most times
> there is no indication who made the contribution, but occasionally there is a
> name and sometimes an email address.  I have noted my own entries have my name
> but not my email address.  I would like to setup Legacy so my email address
> appears in any of my contributions to FamilySearch.  Much appreciated if
> someone could show me the ropes in how to do this.

You don't set it up in Legacy, you set it up in FamilySearch. 

All you need to give Legacy is your FamilySearch user name and password, so 
it can log you in. But to edit your profile (including e-mail address) you 
need to log in to FamilySearch separately, outside Legacy. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Contributor email in FamilySearch

2017-04-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Apr 2017 at 7:35, Brian Kelly wrote:

> This is not a Legacy setting. Check your settings in your FamilySearch 
> account. Under contacts what is the option for your email address. I 
> have public turned off for mine so I hope that means FamilySearch will 
> not include my email address in contact information.

I have it turned on for mine, as I hope that anyone using FamilySearch who is 
interested in the same families will try to contact me. 

There is nothing more frustrating than finding that someone has added 
information to one of the families that you have been looking for for 30 
years and you think may be a long lost cousin but they haven't given their 
address. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] speaking of location names

2017-04-13 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Apr 2017 at 10:35, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

> A few months ago I sent a suggestion to Legacy for the ability to add a number
> of name variations for locations, instead of only a short version. I have
> diverse ancestry from different parts of Europe where it is very common for
> the same location to have been under various countries or empires through
> history. Genealogists are supposed to use the location name as it was at the
> time of the event. You also learn a little more about the lives of ancestors
> if you know whether they lived under the Russian and /or Austrian Empires and
> /or Napoleon Bonaparte´s empire etc. Geo location can distract family
> historians from researching the actual borders of the time, finding
> interesting information and factors causing ancestors to emigrate etc.

Yes, I try, where possible, to do that, but FamilySearch seems to want to use 
the current name of a place, regardless of when the event took place. And it 
sometimes has standardised on completely inaccurate place names, and suggests 
"standard" names that would mean that a place would have to be in two or more 
different places, none of them within 500 miles of where it actually is.

The German ones are particularly difficult, and, being unaware of all the 
historical nuances, I usually enter things like "Woddow, Brandenburg, 
Ueckermark, Prussia" even for periods when I'm not sure how accurate it is. 

It does, however, mean that in Legacy, one can had 3-4 different place name 
entries for the same physical location. 

For example, I have 

Johannesburg, Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek (short form ZAR)
Johannesburg, Transvaal
Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa (short form RSA)
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa. 

and there was even a period when Gauteng was known as PWV

FamilySearch now wants to tack "United Kingdom" on to places in England, 
Scotland and Wales, at the very time when the Brexit vote makes it uncertain 
hoe long the UK will last, and it wants that name for periods even before the 
United Kingdom was formed. 

I'm reminded of the book which features Lewis Carroll's Cheshire cat from 
"Alice in Wonderland", only it introduces itself as "the Unitary Authority of 
Warrington Cat". 

Of course one can always record a history of the changes of name and 
jurisdiction in the location notes, and perhaps that is the way to go. 











> 
> I admit however, it can get very complicated. I am the only family historian
> or genealogist that I know of who is "nutty" enough to attempt using
> accurate location names for the extremely complex territories of the German
> Holy Roman Empire- I think Family Search only uses locations as they were
> after the 1815 Congress of Vienna which made enormous changes to borders
> throughout Europe. 
> 
> You can however be rewarded with very fascinating stories e.g. I have
> ancestors who lived in a culturally German district which was a tiny French
> exclave which had been geographically located within a bigger exclave of the
> Duchy of Lorraine. These ancestors emigrated to a corner of "Poland" which
> had been taken by the Austrian Empire. They, with other German families
> established their own colony/settlement. This region then fell to Napoleon,
> becoming part of the Duchy of Warsaw. It then went to the Russian Empire
> ("Russian Poland"). All this in one ancestor´s lifetime! Other branches
> of my family tree also have fascinating stories relating to locations.
> 
> Researching locations takes time so I mostly research my direct ancestors and
> sometimes their siblings, rather than spending time finding thousands of
> distant cousins which to me seems pointless and much less interesting.
> 
> John
> 


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Re: [LegacyUG] [OT] UKBMD and historic placenames, registration districts for UK

2017-04-13 Thread Steve Hayes
On 13 Apr 2017 at 1:58, Ian Thomas wrote:

> This may be off-topic (hence [OT] ), but perhaps useful for some on the list?
> UKBMD is an increasingly useful source for UK genealogy information, and as a
> newcomer to this interest/hobby I had to discover what was meant by locality
> descriptions like "Plomesgate" (in Sussex) for some related ancestors. I knew
> that Aldeburgh was a locality / parish name and (sub-) district, but when I
> first saw Plomesgate in association with that name I was a bit confused. This
> is a typical link, from which other district descriptions and their "member
> villages" (my term) can be found:
> http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/REG/districts/plomesgate.html You will note that there
> are helpful references and descriptions of changes to the boundaries / naming
> (etc) of the districts. UKBMD of course has much more than this feature.

When the source I have is from the BMD indexes, I usually enter the name of 
the registration district followed by RD, especially if the registration 
district overlaps the county boundaries. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy FamilySearch problem

2017-04-12 Thread Steve Hayes
On 11 Apr 2017 at 19:48, JV Leavitt wrote:

> Legacy FamilySearch isn't working properly today with FamilySearch.  
> Anyone notice this besides me? Transferring new names from Legacy to FS 
> Family Tree pretends like it's going to do it, but nothing gets 
> transferred.  Other anomalies have also been occurring today with this 
> program.

I've just tried it and found the same problem. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

2017-04-04 Thread Steve Hayes
On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:

> Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest denomination
> to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
> sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular city, but
> don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
> search it, and then put it back after I'm done.
> 
> Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a given
> location name regardless of position, though. That would make the re-sorting
> unnecessary.

Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and discovered 
lots of limitations. 

I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited the UK 
in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived, 
sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versions of 
Legacy could do that, or perhaps I used another program.

What I tried to do this time, and failed, was to produce a list for an 
English country -- say Cornwall.

Yes, it would be possible to produce a list by searching five times and 
adding to a list -- first birth, then baptism, then death, then burial, then 
marriage. I'm not sure if the search screen lets you search for marriage, 
though. 

So it would be marvellous if ii let you search for, and tag, any place for 
any event, with one search, and then print a list with just those. 

And then print the list in the order of largest place to the smallest

The list I did manage to print was useless, because it sorted in the order of 
the number of blank spaces with commas, and it printed everything, with no 
selection. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

2017-04-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Apr 2017 at 10:31, Mike Fry wrote:

> On 03 Apr 2017 00:10, CE WOOD wrote:
> 
> > I know its the rules of the list itself, but those rules exist because
> > the list programmers have not instituted the means to vet images. I am
> > not a programmer, but those with whom I am familiar know how to do it.
> > Do you not view images online? There are many ways to do it.
> 
> The mailing list is NOT a piece of software written  by Millennium. It's from
> a 3rd-party. Other than some options, Legacy has little choice in the way the
> list is run. So, quit the whining.

More than that, it's a protocol for mail transport on the internet. Even 
programmers who write list software are not free to change that. And those 
who have tried have messed things up for a lot of people. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

2017-04-02 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Apr 2017 at 0:42, Ian Thomas wrote:

> It would be helpful to know the ways that location "descriptions" are used in
> a number of countries. The UK and USA examples/preferences are commonly given
> but other European and N/S American would be of interest to me. I noticed a
> distinct way that my aunt's address was given on her letters from 1950s/60s
> which is different than the USA pattern. 

I don't think ways of addressing letters should necessarily be used for 
locations of events. If people were married in a particular church, for 
example, the postal address of the church 20 or 200 years earlier would be of 
little use. 

In the UK, for example, the street name and number and postal code are 
sufficient for letter delivery. Town, villiage and county are unnecessary, 
but are nevertheless of interest to genealiogists. 

I find it odd that in the USA towns, and even quite small villages are 
referred to as "cities" for purposes of postal delivery. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

2017-04-02 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Apr 2017 at 17:49, Leonard J. McCown wrote:

> Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
> missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
> it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
> least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
> no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
> many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
> Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
> it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
> database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.
> 
> Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
> remove that in the set up for Legacy?

There is no option to "remove" it, though there is an option not to show it 
in reports. 

If, say, I know that someone was born in Ohio, USA, I can enter it as 

Ohio, USA

and Legacy will display and print it like that. 

but I can also enter it as

 ,  , Ohio, USA

to show that the city and county are missing. 

And then I can have Legacy print it like that, or to strip away the leading 
commas. 

I generally enter just what I know, so I don't put in blank spaces. If I 
later find the name of a town where the person was born, I'll just add that, 
like 

Columbus, Ohio, USA.

and not

Columbus,  , Ohio, USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

2017-04-01 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Apr 2017 at 1:27, Jennifer Hardess wrote:

> I am trying to tidy up my locations / place name list. I notice that if I only
> have 2 or 3 names in a sequence e.g. London, England or Horsham, Victoria,
> Australia I end up with a comma or two before the place in the master location
> list. I have my Master location list starting with the Country e.g. England. I
> need advice as  to how I can eradicate that comma. Is there a "standards list"
> I can refer to somewhere? Especially for England...do I add the county name or
> whatever? I have tried looking up the place name on the internet e.g. using
> Wikipedia but often "Hundred" or borough is quoted in the information. I am in
> Australia & it is very confusing, & time-consuming! Thanks, Jen Hardess Sent
> from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

I think that is a left-over from PAF, a now-discontinued genealogy program 
porduced by the LDS Church. 

Early versions of PAF has four fields for place names, and tghey recommended 
that you use the 4th one for the largest entity -- usually country, and the 
first one for the smallest entity in the place name. 

This led to endless confusion. 

What is the smallest entity?

In the case of a baptism, it might be the name of the church. So I would 
enter "St Meubred's, Cardinham, Cornwall, England" and the program would 
object that puncuation isn't used in place names. 

But now FamilySearch (also run by the LDS Church) wants "United Kingdom" as a 
bigger unit than England -- just at the time when the United Kingdom is 
threatening to break up over the question of membership of the EU. 
FamilySearch has also "standardised" on some weird (and erroneous) place 
names. 

In Legacy the choice is up to you. You can use the commas or omit them, and 
if you use them you can tell Legacy to omit them in printed reports. As far 
as I know you can have as many as you like.

So, in the case of a baptism I could enter:

"St James, Winscombe, Winterstoke, Somerset, England, United Kingdom"

and Legacy wouldn't object. 

If I wanted to do a search by Hundred, though (in this case, "Winterstoke", 
there might be a problem if Winterstoke is not always in the third "field", 
and if that field is not left blank when there isn't a Hundred (as in other 
countries).

But again, I think it is no problem for Legacy -- you just search t6o see if 
the place name "contains" that term. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

2017-04-01 Thread Steve Hayes
On 1 Apr 2017 at 15:24, Chick Lewis wrote:

> I also agree...  Facebook and social media has effectively killed this list.

Low traffic is a good sign -- it means that Legacy is working well for 
everyone and there are no problems with its working.


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Re: [LegacyUG] How do you split off a part of a legacy database

2017-03-25 Thread Steve Hayes
On 25 Mar 2017 at 21:27, Dave Johnson wrote:

> I am interested in providing my brother with just our genealogy and that of
> his wives.  Is there a way to tag all of my genealogy and include his wives
> and all of their genealogy records that go back generations and forward again
> distant relatives?

I asked that a couple of days ago, and Cathy Pinner answered as follows:

Do a Detailed Search on Relationship and tag the results.

Search - Find - Detailed Search Tab.

Individual - Relationship - equal to - Related



You might want to start from your brother's children to include his wives 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Report for entire Tree

2017-03-23 Thread Steve Hayes
On 23 Mar 2017 at 16:04, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Do a Detailed Search on Relationship and tag the results.
> 
> Search - Find - Detailed Search Tab.
> 
> Individual - Relationship - equal to - Related

Thanks very much!

Halfway there. 

How do I add spouses and in-laws to those in the list?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Report for entire Tree

2017-03-23 Thread Steve Hayes
On 23 Mar 2017 at 15:14, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Steve,
> You need to try out the various reports and then ask questions. Go to 
> Tools - Set Relationships to choose starting person for relationship report.

Thanks. I was looking under "Relationships" I obviously still haven't got 
used to the v8 menus yet.
 
> I doubt it's what you want but is a great addition to other reports.
> It just lists name and relationship to the starting person.
> You can optionally add lifespan.
> It doesn't show you how people are related to one another.

No, it's not quite what I want. I want to be able to set tags on all those 
people in that report, so I can export their info in a Gedcom. 

I just wondered if there was a way to do that. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Report for entire Tree

2017-03-23 Thread Steve Hayes
On 23 Mar 2017 at 14:33, Margaret Turner wrote:

> There is the Relationships Report (under Miscellaneous reports) where you
> specify the starting person and the option to "include all individuals with
> relationships" with name format of Given name(s) Surname/Surname, Given
> names(s)/Birth and Death  Years on Names/Include RINS on names

That sounds like I want, but I'm not sure how to select the starting person. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Report for entire Tree

2017-03-22 Thread Steve Hayes
On 22 Mar 2017 at 14:38, baxwal...@sky.com wrote:

> Check out the Multiple Line of Descent Report. That's the most comprehensive
> and you can set it up not to repeat duplicate lines. However no book report
> will pick up everyone in your file.

Is there are report that can show all the relatives of one person? 

For example, if I want to send a report to a cousin, I want it to show my 
wife, and her parents, but not any of her ancestors further back. Does the 
multiple lines of descent report do that? Show spouses and parents of spouses 
and spouses of children, but not all ancestors and descendants of the 
ancestors of spouses?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting from Legacy

2017-03-20 Thread Steve Hayes
On 20 Mar 2017 at 15:47, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Another way to get the people you want that you can do now. Search for 
> all those with Added Date after your last export.
> 
> Unless you don't reuse RINs that have been abandoned due to merging or 
> deleting, RINs aren't reliable enough.

I don't merge or delete in my main database precisely because I want to keep 
RINs in sync across different programs. 

And because Legacy can't export by range or RINs, I don't use it as my 
program of primary entry, and I use a program that can export by range of 
RINs for that purpose. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting from Legacy

2017-03-20 Thread Steve Hayes
On 5 Dec 2016 at 18:28, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Put in a suggestion but add why. It makes no sense at all to me as the 
> RINs may or may not be connected in any way.
> 
> If you're wanting to export only people created or modified after a 
> certain date, you can do that now by doing a search on Modified Date or 
> Added Date.

I have now put in a suggestion, and it has become even more important to me. 

Someone is working on developing an event-based research program, and one of 
the things it will be ab le to do is import people from a Gedcom file. 

Now if I export everyone in my Legacy program, and import them into the 
event-based program, I will not stop adding people to Legacy. 

So when I want to put more people into the the other program, then if the 
previous import was up to, say RIN 2864, then for my next import I will want 
the records from RIN 2865 and higher. 

So the range of RINs export feature becomes more important. 

The Event-based program is still being Beta tested at the moment, but it's 
looking good. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-17 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 17:16, Mary Young wrote:

> I was updating from within Legacy when the download failed and the program
> froze. I got a message advising a manual download. Mary Young

Well Google seems to be working again, so I tried again and passed the "I am 
not a robot" test, but the moment I tried to actually download the new 
version I got a "Download Failed" message. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] TO LINK THE MEDIA FOLDER/FILES

2017-03-15 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 15:16, Gmail wrote:

> Since I have copies of Legacy on more than one computer, I keep all my Media
> file on a separate external drive that I move from computer to computer.

I too have Legacy on more than one computer -- a desktop running Windows XP 
and a laptop running Windows 7. 

I copy the data files (and those of other programs) using a USB flash 
drive.and batch files on each computer.  

> If I use only one folder that I identify with 6.2, I have no problems and all
> the files are identified correctly on the different computers.
> 
> But I am a bit compulsive and like to keep together files of the same
> nature. 
> 
> This is why I create subfolders - one for birth related pictures, another one
> for marriage related pictures, etc. and this is where my problems start.
> 
> Because of 6.2, Legacy goes to the main folder where there are no files.

It should be possible to show that in user defaults, or isn't it?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-15 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 17:16, Mary Young wrote:

> I was updating from within Legacy when the download failed and the program
> froze. I got a message advising a manual download. Mary Young

Yes, that happened to me once, and I've never tried it again. I always 
download manually, except, of course when the download fails, as it did this 
time, because of the failure of the "I am a robot" test. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-15 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 7:05, Brian Kelly wrote:

> I use Firefox for my browser and I see the Captcha box. I checked my 
> Firefox security settings and did not see anything that might control 
> display of the box there. I visited the download page and looked at the 
> page source however and the captcha box control is a Script. " src='<a  rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js">https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js</a>'>"

OK, it seems to be a Google problem, and not a Legacy problem. 

I just did a search on Google about something quite unconnected with Legacy, 
and it timed out saying "The server at www.google.com is taking too long to 
respond".

Perhaps someone is doing a DDOS assault on Google. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-15 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 7:05, Brian Kelly wrote:

> I use Firefox for my browser and I see the Captcha box. I checked my 
> Firefox security settings and did not see anything that might control 
> display of the box there. I visited the download page and looked at the 
> page source however and the captcha box control is a Script. " src='<a  rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js">https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js</a>'>"
> 
> Maybe you have something on your computer that is blocking that script 
> from loading.

Thanks. I did not that the page (as opposed to the home page) took a long 
time to load, and there was a message at the bottom saying "Waiting for 
www.google.com"

I do use an addon called NoScript, which allows one to block or unblock 
scripts on selected sites, but I had it unblocked for the Legacy site. 

I'll try again tomorrow, maybe it was just Google being slow.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 10:03, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Click the box next to "I am not a robot" in the Captcha box right under 
> where you enter your name and email.
> It should then change to a tick.

Just tried another browser -- Internet Explorer instead of Firefox. 

Still no Captcha box visible. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 10:03, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Click the box next to "I am not a robot" in the Captcha box right under 
> where you enter your name and email.
> It should then change to a tick.

Just checked back on the page - No Captcha box visible. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Mar 2017 at 10:03, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Click the box next to "I am not a robot" in the Captcha box right under 
> where you enter your name and email.
> It should then change to a tick.

Oh, I didn't see the box at all. 


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[LegacyUG] Downloading updates

2017-03-14 Thread Steve Hayes
This morning I tried to download the latest update for Legacy 8

I entered my name and e-mail address as requested, but I giot the following 
message:

"Robots cannot post data. The I'm a Robot test failed."

What does one have to do to pass the "I am a robot" test?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Sources vs

2017-03-10 Thread Steve Hayes
On 10 Mar 2017 at 10:54, Naomi SMITH BLACK wrote:

> Next question.  Now that I am starting from scratch...what qualifies as a
> Master Source? Ex: 1920 US Federal Census
> 
> I will be using many of these, but for different areas, such as Putnam
> County, Ohio and Monroe County, Michigan, etc.
> 
> Would *each* of these be considered a Master Source?

Different people deal with this in different ways. 

A lot will depend on which sources apply to your data, and how much 
information you have from each source. 

For example, if you have a very large number of families from a small area, 
you may want to make that small area (eg Putnam Country, Ohio) a master 
source, but if you have family scattered over a wider area, you might want to 
make the master source the 1920 US Census, and put Putnam County into the 
details. 

My own preference is the latter, but I still make exceptions for some things. 

One reason for my preference is database architecture, which is a bit 
technical, but still worth considering. 

Legacy is a relational database, and one of the rules of relational database 
is to avoid duplication. If you make Putnam County Ohio and Monroe County 
Michigan your master sources, then you have to enter the 1920 US Census 
twice, and more if there are other counties. All those entries take up space 
on your disk. 

There are 3,141 counties in the United States. If you had 2 people in each in 
the 1920 Census, that would be 3141 Master Sources and 6282 detail sources. 
If, however, you lump the entries for the 1920 Census into one master source, 
that's 3140 master source records. 

But if your people are distributed over 5 counties, then 5 Master sources 
might be better.  


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Re: [LegacyUG] Passage Express?

2017-02-24 Thread Steve Hayes
On 24 Feb 2017 at 17:43, Sherry wrote:

> Arthur, not everyone wants web pages. Passage Express doesn't create web
> pages - it creates CDs to share with others.

I tried Passage Express. 

All it did was produce a duplicate copy of my database on my hard disk, which 
I then had a hard time getting rid of. 

If you want to share with others, you can just as easily put a copy of your 
Legacy database on a CD, and give it to people and suggest that they download 
the free copy of Legacy to read it, because that seems to be all Passage 
Express does anyway. 

. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM import

2017-02-20 Thread Steve Hayes
On 20 Feb 2017 at 16:23, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> I very rarely to never these days import a file into my real file.
> But I'd never do it direct. Always to a new Legacy file and check it 
> over and clean it up there.
> Just the way I and many others work.

Neither do I. 

I was just pointing out that it is possible, because I tried it out, not with 
my main file. I had one Legacy file someone had sent me, and three PAF files 
relating to different surnames from Cornwall. 

I saved the original Legacy file as Cornwall.fdb, and then imported the three 
PAF files directly into that, and it worked. It isn't my main file and it is 
not even the original file that was sent to me, but a copy of it. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM import

2017-02-19 Thread Steve Hayes
On 20 Feb 2017 at 13:40, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> If you are transferring from PAF to Legacy why do you need to revert to 
> Gedcom if you do it again? Are you saying you can't choose the name of 
> the Legacy file that is saved? That would be the only reason.

Yes, it is possible to transfer two or more PAF file directly to Legacy. I've 
just tried it and it worked. I was thinking  of partial files, where if 
someone sends you a PAF file and you import it to Legacy, and then if they 
make changes and add to it,. and you want to import only the changed records, 
then you have to export from PAF to Gedcom, and then import the Gedcom, but 
to import whole files, no, you don't need to use Gedcom. 

> If you are wanting to combine several PAF files into the one Legacy file then
> you'd convert each to Legacy and then import one Legacy file into another.

That's what I've just tried. You don't need to convert each to Legacy. If you 
import whole files, you can import each one into the same Legacy file. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM import

2017-02-19 Thread Steve Hayes
On 20 Feb 2017 at 10:56, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Michele,
> Legacy has direct import for PAF.
> See in Legacy: File - Import and choose your PAF version.

But only for one file.

All subsequent file import need to use Gedcom. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM import

2017-02-19 Thread Steve Hayes
On 20 Feb 2017 at 13:04, Michele Morrison wrote:

> I have transferred via GEDCOM two  PAF files from my old laptop to my new one.
>  All went well in the transfer.  But on opening the files. I see that there
> are many instances where M or F is not marked (as I had done in PAF) and both
> choices are greyed out!  How to fix?

If often transferred files from PAF to Rootsmagic via Gedcom, and have never 
encountered that problem. 

When you export from PAF, which Gedcom format to you choose?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Locking a specific rin

2017-02-18 Thread Steve Hayes
On 18 Feb 2017 at 13:04, Ian Macaulay wrote:

> I use my Rins as Id's  and also when I merge,  Legacy reuses the old  ones. Is
> there a way to flag or lock specific Rin numbers so they do not allow
> deletions from merges or  deletions. The reason is that there are 300 Angus
> Macaulays, Two of them published by Rin number, I don't want to accidentally
> merge those  specific Angus's and inadvertently change their Rins

If you do that, don't merge!

If you find duplicate individuals, combine the information in the records 
manually using the RIN you want to keep. 

The, edit the one you don't want to keep so it has a surname like ZZblank.

That is easy to find, and if you want to add a new person you can reuse that 
RIN and enter their information. Just make sure it is unlinked from the old 
links. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Family Search

2017-02-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Feb 2017 at 19:27, Ernie Anderson wrote:

> That is alright Jerry. I use both programs together, as RootsMagic merge is
> 100 times better than Legacy any day of the week. I have tested them both side
> by side and I know what I am talking about. I tried to get Ken to follow the
> lead of RootsMagic with no results.  Don't get me wrong, Legacy has much more
> power than RM and has the ability to clean up the junk that we find in files. 
> Yes, Familysearch is a royal mess when it comes to duplicates, many variations
> in the name field, date field and place field. If you are lucky and if  you
> can you can keep four to six generation intact in your direct line in
> familysearch, but beyond that forget it. I have been at this sort  of thing
> now for 59 years. Ernie

I use both Legacy and RootsMagic, though for different purposes. 

I use Legacy for adding people to my family tree that I'm reasonably certain 
of, and upload these to FamilySearch. I never download new people from 
FamilySearch to Legacy, but always add them by hand. I also never merge 
people in my main family file in Legacy. 

I use Rootsmagic for a rough research file, where I add possible and 
speculative links, and download new people from FamilySearch to there. for 
further research. I use it for quick lookups, as it opens in half the time 
that Legacy does. It also handles downloaded sources from FamilySearch better 
than Legacy -- Legacy does not handle marriage sources from FamilySearch very 
well. In Rootsmagic I use the Legacy RIN as a User ID (Reference No in 
Rootsmagic, so I can cross-reference people who are in both files. And 
Rootsmagic is also where I do lots of merging because I get information on 
the same people from different sources -- FamilySearch, GEDCOM files, other 
information people send me. 

In Family search there are lots of duplicates that need to be merged, WHEN 
YOU ARE SURE THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE. 

For example, when people are entered into FamilySearch from church records 
through the LDS controlled extraction programme, there are many duplicates. 
If a couple had 7 children who were baptised in the same church, the parents 
will be repeated 7 times. Sometimes it is possible to combine them from 
within Legacy, but sometimes this cannot be done, because FamilySearch does 
not always recognise them as duplicates. In that case you need to note the 
FamilySearch record number of the duplicate parent, go into FamilySearch 
itself, and do a Merge by Id. If that doesn't work, it is often because 
someone has given them the wrong sex, or they have been marked as living. 

If you upload a family from Legacy to FamilySearch, make sure they are not 
marked as living. 

For example, if you have a couple that were married in 1750, but have no 
birth or death dates, Legacy will show them as living, and so will 
FamilySearch when you upload them. So you either need to enter an estimated 
date of birth (I think "Est" works in Legacy) or make sure that they are 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Recording Addresses

2017-02-10 Thread Steve Hayes
On 10 Feb 2017 at 23:04, baxwal...@sky.com wrote:

> As you will guess, I´m fairly new to Legacy but managing fairly well.
> 
> I would like to record where married couples and individuals lived at
> different times.
> 
> Where should I record this information to that it related to both spouses and
> appears in reports?

You can record it as an Event under marriages. I think there is a built in 
Residence event, if not you can create one.

Each Event record allows you to attach address information. 

If you record it as an event under the Marriage, rather than under each 
individual, it should show up for both spouses. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing hard copy / printed book

2017-02-08 Thread Steve Hayes
On 9 Feb 2017 at 5:19, CE WOOD wrote:

> Sorry, You DO have to renumber when you move photos to a different position.
> When you position them differently, the endnote numbering changes. If you
> leave them in the same position relative to other photos and events, you do
> not. THAT is the problem. To make pages look okay, you DO have to reposition,
> which is when the problem occurs.

Are you talking about Endnot/Footnote numbering, or photo caption/table 
numbering?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing hard copy / printed book

2017-02-08 Thread Steve Hayes
On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:14, CE WOOD wrote:

> The problem is, that pictures are not always the right size or placement
> in the document. Changing their placement ruins the footnotes! Then, you
> have to go through the whole document and renumber the footnotes, which
> can take weeks, if you have nothing else to do.

Why?

Does Legacy export footnotes to RTF as plain text and bnot as footnotes?

Footnotes in Word should move with the text they are attached to, and if you 
have properly imported an RFT file there sdhould be no problem. 

 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Data limit

2017-02-06 Thread Steve Hayes
On 6 Feb 2017 at 18:37, Bob Austen wrote:

> I´m well over the 1GB limit and operating fine.  Isn´t Legacy written
> using Access?  I believe it is a limitation of Access which is 2 GB (and you
> need some overhead!).  I have heard that this 2GB limit can be overcome using
> SQL Server.  If anyone has information on this I would love to hear about it. 

The Rootsmagic program keeps its data in an SQLite database. If you are 
approaching the Legacy/Access data limit you might want to look at that, but 
it would be best not to discuss it here, as this forum is for Legacy. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Big Question

2017-02-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Feb 2017 at 16:16, Barbara Ford wrote:

> Okay, got it. I think I may at least try keeping 6, if it will work on Windows
> 10, and I'm very much "on" to keeping it in the directories as you mention
> here, Steve. So, I'll do that on the new computer and at last try it, with not
> upgrading after all. My two issues (will 6 work on Windows 10, and does the
> later version allow embedded photos) have been answered in such a way that I
> believe I can stick with 6. Thanks, Barb

If you do that, and are happy that everything is working correctly on your 
new computer, you might like to check the Legacy web site for the new 
features of the latest version, to see if any of them would be useful to you. 

I suggest that you wait for Version 9, if you're happy with 6 for the moment, 
as it may have other new features that might be useful. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Big Question

2017-02-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Feb 2017 at 19:37, Barbara Ford wrote:

> Good thoughts for consideration. I did purchase, and have regularly used, the
> charting program that was sold outside of Legacy 6. By default, where is the
> data stored in Legacy 8?

/My Documents/Legacy Family Tree/

Even if you choose another location for your data files (I do), Legacy 8 
keeps its settings information there. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Big Question

2017-02-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Feb 2017 at 23:36, Robert57P_gmail wrote:

> One problem you may have run into with Legacy 6 and Win7:  Windows 7 
> "protects" some of the folders that used to be open.  By default, the 
> older Legacy versions (I forget when they changed it) used to install in some
> of these folders that are now "protected".

No, it is the NEW Legacy version (8 and above) that by default installs 
itself into protected folders.

I still have Legacy 7.5 on my computer, and it is installed in 

E:\Legacy\

with the data files in 

E:\Legacy\Data

and pictures in 

E:\Legacy\pictures

I routinely copied these backwards and forwards between my desktop computer 
(running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running Windows 7) with no 
problems, just a simple batch file did it. 

Legacy 8, by default, installs itself inder 

C:\Program Files\

which IS a directory protected by Windows, and doesn't allow data files to be 
kept under it (as the older versions of Legacy did), so it keeps data files 
under the My Documents folder,.wherever that may be.

I set up Legacy 8 differently, to install its program files into

E:\Legacy8

and its data files in 

E:\Leg8Data

That makes it easier for me to copy the data files to a USB flash drive to 
transfer to my Laptop. And those directories, like the ones created by older 
version of Legacy, are not protected by Windows. But the \Program Files\ one 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Big Question

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Feb 2017 at 19:17, Barb Ford wrote:

> Thank you. So, since Legacy 8 will not overwrite Legacy 6, once I can 
> figure out where Legacy 8 stores its data, I could run both until I 
> figure out the new one. Is this correct?

Nearly.

One thing to remember is that once you have converted your data files to 
Legacy 8, you cannot work on them in Legacy 6 any more.

So if you wanted to continue to use both versions, you would have to update 
your data files in two places.

I think if you go to the Legacy web site you can see the different features 
of the different versions. If you don't need any of the new features of 
Legacy 8, you could carry on using version 6, and just install 6 on your new 
computer and copy your data files there. 

I never used version 6, but I have used 5, 7, 7.5 and 8. At the moment I'm 
using version 8 on both my desktop and laptop computers.

I think the only thing that version 8 can do that the earlier versions 
couldn't, is that it connects to FamilySearch to exchange data. If there are 
other differences in capabilities, I'm not aware of them. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Big Question

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Feb 2017 at 12:46, Barbara Ford wrote:

> Brian, then if I kept both, would they access the data from the same data
> file, or does Legacy 8 put its data in a different location, and does it save
> it "on the fly" like Legacy 6? My Legacy 6 data is all in a folder named
> Legacy that resides directly on the C hard drive. I don't have a real reason
> for wanting NOT to use Legacy 6, except that I fear it would not work well
> with Windows 10. Am I right on that?

Legacy 6 should work with Windows 10.

Legacy 8 keeps its data and program files in different places from Legacy 6, 
but you can set it up to staore your data anywhere you want. 

If it worries you, just put Legacy 6 on your new computer and copy your 
datafiles there. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Big Question

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Feb 2017 at 12:27, Barbara Ford wrote:

> Hope I'm not "hearing" that I can't get there from here. In other words, is it
> possible to go from Legacy 6 Deluxe to Legacy 8, keeping all my data intact?
> I'm not so worried about learning some of the nuances of the "new" version,
> just wanting to know that I do everything in such a way that I keep all my
> data and have a clear understanding of where everything is stored and how
> everything is backed up. Barbara

Yes it is possible. 

You should also be able to use your Legacy 6 on your new computer, if you 
don't want to change it, but it should not be a problem if you do change it.

When you import your data into Legacy 8, however, it will change the format, 
so Legacy 6 will no longer be able to read it. Also, the Deluxe features will 
no longer work unless you pay separately for them.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Working Directory

2017-01-22 Thread Steve Hayes
On 23 Jan 2017 at 0:53, ROBIN DUNBAR wrote:

> I cant seem to get a working directory on my hard drive. Legacy just keeps one
> on my backup drive. I cant seem find a spot to make it keep one on my laptop.
> What iam i missing??

Go to Options --> Configure --> 6 File Locations

You can see the default locations for data files, and change them to whatever 
you want. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Description Field in Event Notes

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 17 Jan 2017 at 10:53, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> The problem that Geoff was/is avoiding by not using the description 
> field was not that it didn't export but that the programs he was 
> importing into didn't have a place for it.
> 
> I don't know whether that's the case with anything these days. I've 
> never heard anyone mention it.

The problem I had with the Description field is that it is not really clear 
what it is for, and what one should put into it. 

I put some things in the description field that came out really weirdly in 
reports, like "He appeared in the farmer aged 43 census of ."

So it looks as though the Description field is for the date and placed of the 
census, but there are already fields for the date and place of the census, so 
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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 10 Jan 2017 at 19:53, Chris Hill wrote:

> The best free editor, which I have used for many years to replace TextPad, is
> Notepad++. Not quite to Windows standards since it originated in the Linux
> market and it has some oddities because of that. It has support for more than
> 50 programming or scripting language, including HTML, and you can add your
> own. It also has a large set of add-in extensions.

To which one could add that it also supports formats like UTF 8, and will 
convert between that and a variety of others. 

It can be downloaded from

http://www.notepad-plus-plus.org

(Not sure when this will get sent - our ADSL line is down and we are waiting 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org to Legacy and Ancestry.com

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 26 Dec 2016 at 11:46, Jerry Murphy wrote:

> The last I heard, Legacy was still not allowed to include an option to 
> easily copy FamilySearch sources to Ancestry.com.  Assuming that is 
> still true, is there a way to get sources transferred other than 
> re-keying them all into Legacy or directly into Ancestry?  Thanks.

I've had no difficulty in copying FamilySearch sources to Legacy, without 
re-keying them.


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Re: [LegacyUG] coding register reports (descendant book reports) for the web

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 10 Jan 2017 at 15:32, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

> My apologies (adding insult to injury here, even though it's not really 
> my fault) - but I am no longer double-posting to dna-newbie, I just 
> checked - and it's just to this list that messages appear twice.  I wish I
> knew why but it would seem it's not a problem on my end.  If someone thinks
> otherwise, I'd be glad to troubleshoot it.  Barton

I am not seeing your messages twice, at least not in ther normal course of 
events.

I do sometimes see lots of people's messages twice, but that is because of a 
fault in my ADSL line, where the connection if often broken before I have 
finished downloading my messages, and it often takes between 5 and 10 
attempts before I manage to get all of them, but that's not your fault. 

But what I DID see in replying was that there was also a reply to the group 
in the CC line, so check that you are not sending a CC to the group. 

I'm having similar problems sending replies, so I'm not sure when you will 
see this.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org to Legacy and Ancestry.com

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 27 Dec 2016 at 11:35, William Boswell wrote:

> One problem I have with notes and email sources is I have so many of them that
> there´s too many to go through individually.  I only mention this because
> there could be information that I do not want to share if it is going to a
> public tree.  Emails would also have email addresses for living people who may
> not want their information shared.  And I have found I might have made a
> controversial remark in notes that a relative might see and take the wrong way
> (i.e. "so and so was an alcoholic").

You can put such things as [[private]] notes by surrounding them with double 
square brackets, and you can choose not to export [[private]] notes. 

I *think* there may also be a way of marking sources and private too, but I'm 
not so sure about that.

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Re: [LegacyUG] FamilySearch.org Integration

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 31 Dec 2016 at 10:58, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> There are the Sources and Discussion tabs.
> I think you'd need to use Copy and Paste to bring in Discussion. You'd 
> have to decide where to put each item.

Yes, I usually copy any relevant details from "Discussion" to the Research 
Notes field in Legacy. 

> Re sources, FamilySearch have restrictions on what sources can be 
> attached to.
> 
> You may get all the sources if you use the option to Import Tree in the 
> Legacy FamilySearch Module. It's not something I've tried as for my 
> family, FamilySearch tree is a mess and certainly there are heaps more 
> sources on the Legacy side for me than on FamilySearch. I slowly tackle 
> my direct line to sort it out and get rid of duplicates.

You can copy sources from FamilySearch to Legacy, but marriage sources no not 
copy properly, as they ciopy to the individual record, and not to the 
marriage record. 

Copying marriages does work in RootsMagic, so perhaps it is something that 
needs to be fixed in Lagacy. 

(Replied on 31 Dec 2016, but not sure when it will be sent, as my ADSL line 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Problems with FamilySearch interface

2016-12-07 Thread Steve Hayes
On 7 Dec 2016 at 13:09, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> If you are sure you are interpreting the screen correctly and it still 
> happens in build 583 which was released a few hours ago, send in a bug 
> report. Email supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and include a screenshot.
> 
> The new build is because FamilySearch are changing something today/tomorrow.

The new build fixed the problem. Thanks!


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Re: [LegacyUG] Problems with FamilySearch interface

2016-12-06 Thread Steve Hayes
On 7 Dec 2016 at 13:09, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> If you are sure you are interpreting the screen correctly and it still 
> happens in build 583 which was released a few hours ago, send in a bug 
> report. Email supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and include a screenshot.
> 
> The new build is because FamilySearch are changing something today/tomorrow.

Thanks, that could be it.

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[LegacyUG] Problems with FamilySearch interface

2016-12-06 Thread Steve Hayes
When I go to Maud Wyville Rutherfurd LWQR-PW6 in the Legacy SamilySearch 
link,n she is shown as married to her father, her grandfather and her 
son-in-law as well as to her husband Arthur Miller Shaw LWQR-PWX.

It gives me a warning that her surname is the same as that of her husband -- 
that is presumably because it has married her to her father, William 
Rutherfurd 9WPV-N1N

When I go to the FamilySearch site, however, all seems to be correct. 

So there seems to be something wrong with the way Legacy is displaying 
information from the FamilySearch site. 

I'm using Legacy 8.0.0.573

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Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting from Legacy

2016-12-05 Thread Steve Hayes
On 5 Dec 2016 at 18:28, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Put in a suggestion but add why. It makes no sense at all to me as the 
> RINs may or may not be connected in any way.

It makes a great deal of sense to me, as I have been doing it for 30 years. 

I've been using Legacy for 14 years, and every single record in my Legacy 
file had been imported from a program that exports by range of RINs, so that 
the 23000 records have the same RINs in each program,. 

Because Legacy does not have that capability, I have not used Legacy as my 
program of first entry, but have continued to use the other program that does 
have the capability. 

> If you're wanting to export only people created or modified after a 
> certain date, you can do that now by doing a search on Modified Date or 
> Added Date.

I'm not sure that that would do the same thing. 

> Exporting a RIN range wouldn't do the same thing even if you were 
> choosing Added after a particular date, unless you had no holes in your 
> RINs caused by merging or deleting or you weren't reusing RINs.

I never merge or delete records in my main data file. If I want to reuse a 
RIN, I retype the data. 


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[LegacyUG] Exporting from Legacy

2016-12-05 Thread Steve Hayes
One feature that I readlly wish Legacy had is an easy way to export a range 
of RINs.

It would be nice to be able to enter a starting RIN, like 16834, and have 
Legacy export from there to say 17938, or to the end of the file if there was 
no second number. 
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Re: [LegacyUG] pedigree charts

2016-12-02 Thread Steve Hayes
On 2 Dec 2016 at 9:54, Judith Weber wrote:

> I have my families in separate files (Weber for Weber book, McKee for McKee
> book, etc.) for ease when printing a book (I include a lot of notes which
> makes for many pages in each book). I now would like to print a complete
> pedigree for one descendant with all ancestors from each family surname line
> included. Is there a way to link or add just the pedigree form for each family
> line into one complete pedigree chart which includes all ancestors from each
> family line for my individual?

The only way to do that would be to combine all your family files into one. 

If you do that, and still keep your separate files for each branch, the 
disadvantage would be that you have to update them in two places. 

But the advantage would be that you could add speculative connections to the 
infividual family files, and only transfer it to your combined file when you 
are sure of it. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] DNA and Genealogy

2016-11-27 Thread Steve Hayes
On 27 Nov 2016 at 19:53, Ian Macaulay wrote:

> I only did my YDNA and have had all kinds of results.  Found relations and
> then the connections via paper trail. Its been a positive experience.  I also
> did my Brother in Law's.  Also a positive experience, His has only brought a
> couple of "hits" but still a great experience.  Of course its hard to match
> when no one else in your group gets tested, and it is like fishing,   Perhaps
> you have to have a genetic leaning to get tested to get out and get tested.

And money. Don't forget the money. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Pictures

2016-11-26 Thread Steve Quaife
H Everyone
I would like to see Legacy update their program so I can(we Apple users) can 
use our  APPLE'S.  That is without the hassle of having to get the Word 
conversion to apple. I had a PC but it died so now I a\have an apple now all I 
can do is watch everyone’s chat and comments and wish I still had a PC Word.
Please push Legacy to move forward and get their program on a Apple format

Steve
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Gene Rampale <ka9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob did a nice job explaining that.
> A UNC - Universal Naming Convention doesn't depend on drive letters. In 
> business it can be easy to run out of drive letters A-Z.
> It just point the drive to a location the \\name.
> 
> When you hear cloud computing or cloud storage, just remember it means 
> someone eles's computer or storage. A NAS Network Attached Storage is your 
> personal cloud storage. Wow your friends with that one. "I have a cloud 
> storage system I setup at home"
> 
> Good practice to have a second or third portable drive for backups. I use 
> those Western Digital 1TB Passport drives in different colors. One travels 
> with me at all times. They are encrypted so losing one does not expose your 
> life to anyone; just make the password the same and put it in your will or 
> someplace your next of kin can get to it. A second is stored in at my dad's 
> house, and a third is locked up in the vault at work. I just rotate them on a 
> monthly basis.
> 
> Gene 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:2wi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thank you Bob, that makes eminent sense actually. I will possibly try the 
> first method (def not a professional!) and see if I can organise it that way 
> - what you have said rings a bell somewhere. I use the NAS for everything 
> nowadays and have another external h/d for back up - so much to think of each 
> day!!
> Your help is greatly appreciated.
> Marion
> 
> 
> On 26 November 2016 at 03:21, Robert57P_gmail <robert...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:robert...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> A NAS system is more like a local harddrive than Dropbox or OneDrive (in my 
> humble opinion).
> 
> You basically have 2 methods of access items on a NAS drive.
> * On each PC, map a drive letter to the NAS drive.  I'd suggest something 
> "higher" than the default - by default it will normally pick the next 
> available letter.  That can create havoc later if you add an additional 
> harddrive or DVD drive or memory card reader to your system.  So rather than 
> letting it default to D:, maybe pick N: (for NAS) or some other letter in the 
> middle of the alphabet.  And I suggest you use the same letter on both PCs 
> (that way if you copy a Legacy configuration from one PC to the other, the 
> media will not have to be relinked).  Doing the mapping will make your 
> computer basically think the drive is on your own PC and any software should 
> be able to use it.
> * The other method us to use the UNC(?) (Universal Naming Convention??  Not 
> sure if that's the right initials/name).  If you use this method, instead of 
> "D:\mr1" you would use something like: "\\Qnap-xyz\mr1"  The first part is 
> whatever your NAS system is known as, 2nd part is your normal directory path 
> (of course the path part could include more folders just like when you use a 
> drive letter, it is not limited to just the first level).  Be careful with 
> capitalization, some NAS systems are case sensitive while others don't care.
> 
> I believe the 2nd method (UNC) tends to be preferred by most professionals, 
> but I'm not sure why.  Bottom line, use whichever you are most comfortable 
> with and whichever method the software (in this case, Legacy) prefers. I have 
> both Legacy and a NAS, but I've never tried storing Legacy data there (I use 
> my NAS strictly for backups).  I just did a QUICK test with Legacy, and it 
> appears it only allows for drive letters, not UNCs.  But my testing wasn't 
> very involved so I could be wrong . . . but it looks like you may be better 
> off mapping a drive letter to your NAS drive for Legacy.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Bob
> 
> On 11/25/2016 08:36, marion wimsett wrote:
> Thanks Cathy - will have a look at that link.
> Marion
> 
> On 25 November 2016 at 19:41, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:genea...@gmail.com> <mailto:genea...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:genea...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> 
> Marion,
> 
> I think there's some trick with NAS servers. I've not used one. I
> don't think it's as straightforward as keeping them in Dropbox or
> One Drive and setting the top folder on both in Options -
> Cu

Re: [LegacyUG] Use of credit line field in database sources

2016-11-17 Thread Steve Hayes
On 17 Nov 2016 at 12:58, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> I hate inline answers as they're s hard to respond to.

I suppose I hate topposted answers for the same reason!

> The Repository is only part of the answer to "where you found the 
> information."
> 
> The actual information goes in Source Detail text.

But in that case I'm not quoting the text verbatim.

> If you don't want to use the completely new GRO indexes that have more 
> information for births and deaths, because there isn't a new marriage 
> index, that's your choice.
> 
> They have maiden names of mothers and ages at death from 1837 and 
> complete names.

I'm quite happy to use them, I just haven't got round to it yet. 

I was really asking about which info to put in which fields uin SourceWriter, 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of credit line field in database sources

2016-11-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 17 Nov 2016 at 11:38, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Steve,
> There are specific templates for the GRO indexes but they're hidden in 
> eg: Birth Records - Certificate - England - Birth certificate Index - 
> online database.

Aye, but even if I did find it, FreeBMD has Births AND Marriages AND Deaths

> The credit line is for where your source got the information - eg your 
> source may be an online database of transcriptions of parish registers. 
> The credit line would say which parish register and who holds it. In 
> Ancestry terminology: Original data.

That's all very well, but why is there then no field for the information 
itself?
 
> The GRO index stuff is messy thought about in that way.
> 
> I still use a Basic Source for the GRO index. I'm wondering about how 
> I'll enter the new GRO birth and death indexes accessed on the GRO site 
> itself which have more information.

I find myself going back to Basic sources more and more frequently, because 
Sourcewriter seems so difficult to use. It seems to ask for lots of 
information that isn't available, and you end up with nowhere to put the 
really important stuff, like where you actually found the information you are 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Use of credit line field in database sources

2016-11-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 16 Nov 2016 at 17:27, BARTON LEWIS wrote:

I have quite a lot of entries where the source is the FreeBMD database:

Here is an entry

Births Dec 1885   (>99%)
HayesElsie Dora  Axbridge5c 519

When I use Sourcewriter, and choose "generic source" and "online database"

the detail field asks for "Item of Interest", and there I would put "Hayes, 
Elsie Dora"

when not using SourceWriter, what I would put in the Detail field is:

Axbridge Births, Dec Qtr 1885, Vol 5c, p 519

I find the term "credit line" confusing, and I'm not sure what to put there, 
but there is nowhere else to put that information when using SourceWriter, so 
I've avoided using SourceWriter for that source.

"Credit Line" suggests that the information in the field should be "GRO 
Indexes", which is where the information in the database came from, but that 
applies to every record in the database, and not just this one. And if one 
puts that in the "Credit Line" field, there is nowhere else to put the actual 
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Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyFS not working

2016-11-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Nov 2016 at 17:16, JV Leavitt wrote:

> Have many of you noticed that the interface from LegacyFS to 
> FamilySearch isn't working since early afternoon today?

I was using it in the early afternoon yesterday and it was OK, but I've no 
idea whether we are in the same time zone. 

I've noticed temporary glitches before, and when I come back later, 
everything was working again.

I suggest that people not mention such things here until it hasn't been 
working for 2 days or more. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy User Group Mail List vs Facebook User Group

2016-10-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Oct 2016 at 17:35, Chick Lewis wrote:

> Looks like most of the LUG has moved to Facebook. Oh well, it was a nice
> group while it lasted...

It hasn't come to an end. I still get more e-mail from the Legacy User Group 
than from any othert source. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Need to know

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 16 Sep 2016 at 19:48, Hank wrote:

> Can any one tell me the difference between EVENT/FACTS and NOTES for the
> following
> 
> BORN-BAPT-DIED-BURIED-MARRIAGE

Those are all events, with date and place.

But any of them could have attached notes with additional information about 
the event -- who was present, what the weather was like, things people said 
and so on. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor / Descendant Interest (ff)

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Hayes
On 16 Sep 2016 at 17:36, Hogrooter . wrote:

> Using the Help index the interest level for ancestors or descendants shows on
> the bottom right of the information screen.  Using values from 0 to 3 you can
> indicate your relative interest in the ancestors or descendants of the
> individual shown.  This can be used to create lists though search for
> individuals you have a high interest in.  This can be turned on or off through
> Customize 2.7.

That sounds as if it is, or could have been, intended to create Tiny Tafels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tafel

Does (or did) Legacy have the facility to create them?

Tiny Tafels were used quite a lot in the 1990s for people to share 
information about which surnames they were searching, with an indication of 
the place and period and interest (* of 3, + for 2, . for 1 and blank for 
.0). Bulletin Board  (BBS) networks had a distributed data processing system 
that could produce a combined report of Tiny Tafels submitted all over the 
world. 

Most of the software used to edit and manipulate Tiny Tafels does not work on 
modern high-speed processors, and has not been updated. But I still wonder if 
Legacy can produce them. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Mailing List vs Online Forum

2016-09-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Sep 2016 at 14:10, Gene White wrote:

> I'm new to this mailing list (but not to genealogy).  I seems to me that the
> mailing list format is a bit 'old school'. I wondering why Legacy doesn't
> create an online forum instead?  Forums have the advantage of allowing the
> user to pick and choose the topics they want to read and reply to, instead of
> getting 10s of emails every day (I joined on the 6th and already have over 120
> emails).
> 
> Are there reasons Legacy doesn't have a Forum?  Opinions?

Legacy does have a web forum on Facebook.

I don't use it because I prefer forums that use the mailing list or newsgroup 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Missing information search and report.

2016-09-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 15 Sep 2016 at 10:28, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Or you may prefer to do a book report and use the option to include 
> underlines for missing information.

But the book report only allows one to do that with the ancestors or 
descendants of a single person, and not everyone in the database. 

Though that is what I would do if I were seriously looking for missing 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy User Group Mail List vs Facebook User Group

2016-09-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Sep 2016 at 17:58, Charlene C wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Chick Lewis <cglewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > The disadvantages outweigh the advantages. FB is predominately a social
> > network. I and many others prefer not to join FB.  The mail forum is
> > strictly info and assistance.  Those of us who do not belong to both are
> > missing many good posts.
> >
> 
> You seem to be of the opinion that if there were only a mailing list the FB
> folks would post here instead. Just as you don't want to use FB, they may not
> want to use a mailing list. I agree that FB isn't ideal for discussions lists.
> On the other hand, I despise forums and wouldn't use one if it were the only
> option.

You do, however, seem to be participating in this forum. 

People may have their preferences about which format and technology they like 
to use for forums -- mailing list, newsgroup, web page etc. But they are all 
forums for discussion and exchange of information. 

In some cases it is possible to pick and choose - the soc.genealogy.britain 
newsgroup, for example, is gated to a mailing list AND to a web forum by 
GoogleGroups, so people can pick and choose which format they prefer. 

But Facebook, unlike Google, does not allow such a gating option.

Some seem to be asking that Legacy set up another web forum, not on Facebook, 
but that would have the disadvantage of having three forums instead of just 
two, so there would be even more chance of not seeing the question that 
interests you because it was on one of the other forums. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy User Group Mail List vs Facebook User Group

2016-09-14 Thread Steve Hayes
On 14 Sep 2016 at 11:34, Chick Lewis wrote:

> Are the posts on this mail list the same as the ones on Facebook?
> 
> It seems to me that having a Legacy Facebook page as well as this Legacy
> Mail List defeats the purpose of users helping each other.  Is it necessary to
> belong to both groups to get all the posts?
> 
> Discouraging because I don´t belong (nor want to join) Facebook or Twitter.

I don't believe it is possible to gate messages between Facebook and the 
mailing list, so they will have different content. 

I don't belong to the Facebook group, because I find the mailing list is a 
far better format, because it is easy to save and search for messages with 
useful content. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Search 101

2016-09-09 Thread Steve Hayes
On 9 Sep 2016 at 18:07, Martha Graham wrote:

> Good Morning,
> One of the other things that happens with FS 'imports' is that the 
> location winds up in the General Notes section. I discovered this while 
> I was cleaning up my notes. Wondered why there should be a location 
> there when I know I did not enter it.

Another is that when importing sources from FamilySearch there is no good way 
of linking marriage sources. The only thing a marriage can be a source for is 
"Name". 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Search 101

2016-09-09 Thread Steve Hayes
On 9 Sep 2016 at 15:01, Carl Hilton wrote:

> Is there an easy tutorial on how to use this function in Legacy? I sometimes
> find good information but when I try to copy it over/merge it with my
> information, I end up with ALT dates. Say I have just the year and Family
> Search has the entire date, I would have thought it would be easy to press a
> button and have the information copied.

Read carefully when it asks what you want to do.

You can either replace the existing date or add an Alt date. Make sure you 
click the right option.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Unique parent/child relationship, maybe?

2016-09-06 Thread Steve Hayes
On 6 Sep 2016 at 15:14, Gene White wrote:

> Here is a situation I don't know how Legacy should handle.
> 
> An unmarried couple have a child together.  Seven years later they get 
> married.  Two years later they have another child.
> 
> Can anyone describe how this family can be entered in Legacy?

Not uncommon, and you just enter everything in the usual way. 

Legacy will usually show you an exclamation mark on a red disk to indicate 
that the child was born before the parents' marriage. I believe there is a 
way that you can turn off problems for a person, but I've never bothered with 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Persons who never married

2016-09-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Sep 2016 at 13:05, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:

> When I am entering data on the "Individuals' Information" screen, there is an
> option to check "THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIPS AND NO CHILDREN" if that
> individual never married.  It helps me to quickly identify when I am looking
> at that entire family, for those children that did not marry. However, then
> when I am creating reports such as a Descendant Book, it prints that wording
> out.  It reads very funny, so I would like to change it to say  "This person
> never married".  However, there is no edit option for this particular entry to
> enable me to change the wording, that I can find. Does anyone know how to
> change this option throughout the program and make it a default?

It always used to say something to the effect that the person never married 
and had no children. 

I suppose the new wording takes care of those who never married but might 
have had children, but as you say, it also implies that they had no parents, 
siblings or other relatives either. 

Possibly someone pointed out that it was possible to have children by having 
sexual relationships outside marriage, but there are also people who DID have 
sexual relationship-s and had no children, so perhaps the "Never married and 
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Re: [LegacyUG] [Legacy] FTM file to Legacy -can SKS act asintermediary, please

2016-09-03 Thread Steve Hayes
On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:03, Jenny Goldsworthy wrote:

> I agree, I myself have learnt some new things by these side issues,which is
> why I subscribe and read the replies.
> 
> 
> On Friday, 2 September 2016 2:18 PM, Graham Lambert
> <gra...@bigpond.net..au> wrote:
> 
> 
>   Once again we may need to say, "You can't please all the people all the
>   time". I for one don't mind the side issues involved with our family history
>   programs and the operating systems we use to run them. Life is a big
>   learning curve. Graham

Interesting, I haven't seen anything of these at all, only posts about 
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Re: [LegacyUG] New Computer

2016-08-27 Thread Steve Hayes
On 27 Aug 2016 at 15:28, Sally M wrote:

> 2.  Can I run version of Legacy on both desktop & laptop?

I have been using desktop and laptop with Dropbox for the last few years 
years, keeping data files in the Dropbox folder on both. As long as both have 
been synced to Dropbox before you start using them, the files should be kept 
up to date. 

Unfortunately Dropbox will be dropping support for Windows XP tomorrow, which 
is what I have on my desktop computer, so I'll have to revert to my old 
practice of syncing the files with a USB flash drive. 

I do this with four batch files:

dsk2flsh.bat
flsh3lap.bat
lap2flsh.bat and 
flsh2dsk.bat

This means I always have at least 3 copies of the current file -- one on the 
desktop, one on the laptop, and one on the USB flash drive. 

With dropbox you also have 3 copies, one on the desktop, one on the laptop, 
and one on dropbox. The advantage of that is that the dropbox copy is off 
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[LegacyUG] Sourcewriter and Gedcom

2016-08-18 Thread Steve Hayes
On 18 Aug 2016 at 10:33, Cathy Pinner wrote:

> In importing them back, you would duplicate them all but the 
> Intellishare feature should help with the merge. If you actually 
> exported via gedcom, you lost the Intellishare number - and any 
> SourceWriter Sources you had.

I was not aware that you would lose Sourcewriter sources in exporting to 
Gedcom. 

That would be a very strong argument for not using Sourcewriter. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] married twice to the same person

2016-08-09 Thread Steve Hayes
On 9 Aug 2016 at 1:26, Dennis Davenport wrote:

> Hi, what is the best way to enter a couple who marries, divorces, and then
> marries again to the same person?  Will each person have 2 spouses, two
> marriage events and one divorce event, even though the spouses are the same
> person in each marriage? Will Legacy think I have duplicate names?  Or do I
> just make a note of it in each person's notes?  Has anyone had this situation?
>  Thank you for your help!

Yes, I have. Actually in my case they divorced again too. 

It shows up better on the individual report than on a family group report. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationhips

2016-08-05 Thread Steve Hayes
On 5 Aug 2016 at 16:38, Martyn wrote:

> Thank you for your prompt reply to my query re + symbols attached to
> relationships.  I can see how I may have two different relationships with
> another distant person on my tree but I can´t see how my father can have two
> relationships to me.  Can you explain. Perhaps I´m  a bit dense? Martyn

If ancestors on your fathers side were married to each other, here could be 
more than one relationship. For exam[;e, if your grandparents  on your 
father's side were first cousins to each other your father would be his own 
second cousin, and you would also be his second cousin once removed.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Friday - Windows 10 Survival Guide for Genealogists by Thomas MacEntee

2016-07-23 Thread Steve Hayes
On 22 Jul 2016 at 23:55, Brian Lightfoot wrote:

> The current version of Legacy will run on older versions of Windows back to
> Win98, NT, and 2000. But apparently it will not run on Win95 (never tried it
> myself but I find it strange that it runs on 98 but not 95). And it mostly
> definitely will not run on Win3.1.

Well that's good news!


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Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Friday - Windows 10 Survival Guide for Genealogists by Thomas MacEntee

2016-07-22 Thread Steve Hayes
On 23 Jul 2016 at 5:05, gerald wrote:

> No formatted contents: Please try the following link to display plain text, if
> any.

That was all I got in this message -- it was unreadable. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Friday - Windows 10 Survival Guide for Genealogists by Thomas MacEntee

2016-07-22 Thread Steve Hayes
On 22 Jul 2016 at 14:05, Brian Lightfoot wrote:

> I think unfounded statements like "I have heard" need to be taken with a
> grain of salt. Unless it can be substantiated and documented, then it´s all
> just another rumor on the Internet.

Not just a rumour -- it has already been announced that the Enterprise 
version of Win 10 will cosdt US$ 7.00 per seat per month. I suspect that 
Microsoft would not announce such a thing for the Home editiion before the 
last date to upgrade for "free".

> However, many large software houses have already switched to a subscription
> based sales. Adobe is one major example. Try buying a "stand-alone" version of
> Photoshop anymore. You are forced to "rent" it on a monthly or yearly basis.
> Yet, nobody complains about that. Within the next decade it would not surprise
> me at all if most software programs end up being subscription based...be haps
> even Legacy Family Tree. So while you think you can switch to an open source
> OS like Linux, you may be forced to use subscription based applications. Of
> course, this all supposes that the Internet doesn´t crash and burn in the next
> decade.

There is a difference between spps and an operating system. Legacy is an app. 
An operating system that depends on subscriptions is, as I said, nothing more 
than ransomware and evil. 

It would make huge amounts of historical informatiion inaccessible. Picture 
this scenario (and you can imagine many others) -- your maiden aunt dies, and 
you inherit her laptop. She has kept, not only her genealogy, but otherr 
family documents -- her memoirs and diaries, corresondence etc on her 
computer. But it all becomes inaccessible. And that could be multiblies 
millions of times throughout the world. 

And what would happen if Microsoft went bankrupt?

That is why I hope Legacy will continue to work on earlier versions of 
Windows.




 
> Brian in CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Wes Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:18 AM To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Friday - Windows 10 Survival
> Guide for Genealogists by Thomas MacEntee
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/21/2016 10:05 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> 
> On 21 Jul 2016 at 8:45, Geoff Rasmussen wrote:
> 
> 
> The Windows 10 operating system is not so much a choice as it is an
> inevitability. As Microsoft continues to remove support from Windows 8 and
> earlier versions, you should get on board the Windows 10 upgrade train now!
> Learn the new features of Windows 10, how it will impact how you research
> genealogy, and more. You´ll also learn which default Windows 10 settings to
> change as well as how to fix common "annoyances" experienced by most users.
> 
> 
> I have heard that as soon as Microsoft has enticed enough people into 
> "upgrading" to Windows 10, they will turn it into a subscription software, as
> they do with some version of Office, so that the "free" upgrade will in fact
> 
> lead to a lifelong debt that can never be paid off -- in fact a form of 
> ransomware. . 
> 
> I therefore hope that Legacy will continue to work with older versions of
> Windows, and that the people at Millennia will seriously consider porting it
> 
> to another platform, like Linux.  
> 
> 
> 
> If they tried to do that, you would see an amazing exodus to Linux.  It
> would happen so fast, no one at Microsoft would know it until it was too
> late.
> 
> 
> 
> Just my .02
> 
> Wes
> 
> 


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