Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Tim.

In reporting the problem to Apple Accessibility, I realize the problem
is more Adobe's than Apple's, but in case Apple can bring pressure on
Adobe, I thought it was worth voicing the concern.

Craig

On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
> Actually, this inaccessibility is the result of Adobe's lack of commitment
> to this sort of thing.  Adobe has improved accessibility on quite a number
> of fronts, but still are lagging behind with many of their interfaces.  For
> example, the Creative Cloud app, which is relatively new still does not even
> come close to being accessible.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>
> On Nov 3, 2019, at 13:54, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim.  I'll get sighted help.  I reported the installer to
> Apple Accessibility as likely inaccessible to VoiceOver.
>
> Craig
>
> On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe
>> that
>> the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance,
>> you're likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.
>>
>> Later.,,,.
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
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>>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>
>> Greetings, everyone.
>>
>> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
>> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
>> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
>> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
>> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
>> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
>> so.
>>
>> Thank you for all help.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Tim.  I'll get sighted help.  I reported the installer to
Apple Accessibility as likely inaccessible to VoiceOver.

Craig

On 11/3/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
> Many of Adobe's software titles continue to be inaccessible.  I believe that
> the Uninstaller is one of them.  Other than getting sighted assistance,
> you're likely out of luck with the Adobe Uninstaller app.
>
> Later.,,,.
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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>
> On Nov 2, 2019, at 13:13, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone.
>
> I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
> running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
> and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
> to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
> unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
> Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
> so.
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Craig
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Uninstalling Adobe Flash Player

[Craig Werner]

Greetings, everyone.

I am attempting to uninstall Adobe Flash Player on a MacBook Air
running os 10.14.6.  I open the Utilities folder under Applications
and then open the Adobe Flash Player Uninstall Manager; but when I try
to install the necessary helper file, VoiceOver goes busy, and I am
unable to complete the uninstall process.  I could download Clean My
Mac and uninstall the software via that tool, but I'd rather not do
so.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Deleting an Email Address that Autocompletes Incorrectly

[Craig Werner]

A question and many thanks.

Now that I know how to delete previous recipients from the Mac end, is
there a way to do this via an iPhone connected to the same Apple ID?
Deleting a contact is easy, but what about a previous recipient?

My thanks to everyone contributing to this thread.  I don't recall the
previous recipients list garnering much discussion on this email list,
and mine certainly needs pruning since it contains 493 entries.

Craig

On 9/14/19, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Well, you should look in your contacts also. Both contacts and recent
> recipients have a search field that should help you. I find Google contacts
> particularly cumbersome with adding items I don't want. If you have a Google
> account, I would suggest not having it sync with your computer.
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Dave Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wonder if you need to look at last names? I think the list is sorted by
>> first, last.
>>
>> Dave Carlson
>> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: Deleting an Email Address that Autocompletes Incorrectly

[Craig Werner]

Tim, thank you.  Your suggestion worked in all but one case.  I
deleted a search string containing characters of a particular address
I never want to auto-complete, and when I type the first characters
into the "to" field of a new message, the address still autocompletes.
I literally read every entry in the "Previous Recipients" window and
can't find the address which persists in autocompleting.  Any other
place I should look, please?

Thank you.

Best,
Craig

On 9/13/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
> Try going under the Window menu, down to Previous Recipients and removing it
> from there.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
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> On Sep 13, 2019, at 15:49, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I am using the standard Mac Mail client under os 10.14.6.  When I
> start typing a particular address into the "To" field of an email
> message, the application autocompletes to a bogus address that I once
> accidentally typed.  How can I delete this address from the list of
> emails that autocomplete?
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Best,
> Craig
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Deleting an Email Address that Autocompletes Incorrectly

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am using the standard Mac Mail client under os 10.14.6.  When I
start typing a particular address into the "To" field of an email
message, the application autocompletes to a bogus address that I once
accidentally typed.  How can I delete this address from the list of
emails that autocomplete?

Thank you for all help.

Best,
Craig

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Re: How to Get TextEdit to Display "Documents" Folder when Opening

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Anne.

I'll bet I got so accustomed to the way TextEdit behaved with iCloud Drive
on that I quite forgot how it behaved with this function disabled.  Funny
how recent memories can take over and make one think it was ever so.  I'm
now in tune with not seeing all the shared files, and all is well.

Craig

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 4:34 AM Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Craig,
>
> As far as I know, you can’t do this. It did it when iCloud Drive was in
> use because the Documents folder was in iCloud Drive, ready to be shared
> with other devices. However, in the File menu, you can find Recents which
> will offer you the documents you’ve been working on lately.
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
> > On 28 Jul 2019, at 06:03, Craig Werner  wrote:
> >
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > When I first got my Mac, and even when I briefly experimented with
> > iCloud Drive, I could have sworn that when I opened TextEdit, it
> > displayed the files listed in the "Documents" folder.  Of course, the
> > option to open a new document with "Command-N" was also visible.
> > Recently, I disabled iCloud Drive, and now, TextEdit opens directly in
> > an untitled document.  In other words, the "Documents" folder contents
> > are not immediately displayed.  An Apple Accessibility representative
> > told me TextEdit is not supposed to show all the documents on opening,
> > and he knows of no way to enable this behavior.  I can certainly live
> > with the way it is behaving now, but can anyone shed light on this
> > question?  It is as if TextEdit has forgotten the path to the folder
> > now that it has been restored to local,that is, non-iCloud Drive,
> > use.
> >
> > Thank you.
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How to Get TextEdit to Display "Documents" Folder when Opening

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

When I first got my Mac, and even when I briefly experimented with
iCloud Drive, I could have sworn that when I opened TextEdit, it
displayed the files listed in the "Documents" folder.  Of course, the
option to open a new document with "Command-N" was also visible.
Recently, I disabled iCloud Drive, and now, TextEdit opens directly in
an untitled document.  In other words, the "Documents" folder contents
are not immediately displayed.  An Apple Accessibility representative
told me TextEdit is not supposed to show all the documents on opening,
and he knows of no way to enable this behavior.  I can certainly live
with the way it is behaving now, but can anyone shed light on this
question?  It is as if TextEdit has forgotten the path to the folder
now that it has been restored to local,that is, non-iCloud Drive,
use.

Thank you.

Craig

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Re: Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

[Craig Werner]

Ah yes, there's the button, big as life.  Thank you.  I was so sure
that the answer might lie in the "Mailbox Behaviors" tab of the Mail
settings that it did not occur to me to check the first tab in the
series.  I have pressed the "remove now" button and then deleted all
of the messages in my Mac's "trash" folder.  I have also set the
"delete" period from now on to one week.  We'll see if the odd
behavior recurs.

Thank you, Tim.

Craig

On 5/27/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for being unclear.  The "remove Now" should be in Mail Prefs,
> Accounts, Account Information pane.  Pressing this button removes copies of
> messages from the server immediately instead of waiting for the schedule.
> It doesn't really address your issue, but will totally quash the idea that
> it has anything to do with Horizon's servers.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 27, 2019, at 09:48, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim, for your reply.
>
> I have only one active e mail account: the Verizon POP account I
> mentioned.  I can't find the "remove now" button you mentioned in the
> Mail App's screen.  If I look at the index of apps, select Mail, and
> press "Command-I" for information, I'm not seeing this button.  If I
> open Apple Mail and go to the "Mailbox" menu, there is a menu setting
> with a submenu called "Erase Deleted Items," but that's not the one
> you mean, right?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Craig
>
> On 5/27/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd tend to agree with your assessment.  In a POP account, the messages
>> are
>> brought to your computer, and depending on your additional settings, are
>> removed from the server at specific intervals set by you.  There could be
>> confusion when there is multiple accounts in your Mail app, but I'm
>> grasping
>> here.  I suggest that you tell the Mail app to remove the messages from
>> the
>> server.  There should be a "Remove Now" button in the Account Information
>> pane of this screen.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On May 27, 2019, at 06:26, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>
>> Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.
>>
>> I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
>> Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
>> deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
>> bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
>> much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
>> Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
>> provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
>> mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?
>>
>> Thanks for all help.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Tim, for your reply.

I have only one active e mail account: the Verizon POP account I
mentioned.  I can't find the "remove now" button you mentioned in the
Mail App's screen.  If I look at the index of apps, select Mail, and
press "Command-I" for information, I'm not seeing this button.  If I
open Apple Mail and go to the "Mailbox" menu, there is a menu setting
with a submenu called "Erase Deleted Items," but that's not the one
you mean, right?

Thanks.

Craig

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 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd tend to agree with your assessment.  In a POP account, the messages are
> brought to your computer, and depending on your additional settings, are
> removed from the server at specific intervals set by you.  There could be
> confusion when there is multiple accounts in your Mail app, but I'm grasping
> here.  I suggest that you tell the Mail app to remove the messages from the
> server.  There should be a "Remove Now" button in the Account Information
> pane of this screen.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 27, 2019, at 06:26, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.
>
> I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
> Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
> deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
> bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
> much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
> Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
> provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
> mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?
>
> Thanks for all help.
>
> Craig
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Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.

I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?

Thanks for all help.

Craig

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Re: My Mac is Still Dead

[Craig Werner]

Don't forget about the Apple Accessibility help phone number: 877-204-3930.

Craig

On 4/28/19, richr...@gmail.com  wrote:
> A while back, I wrote to this list to talk about a problem with my MacBook
> Air. The problem occurred when I started the process to install High
> Sierra.
> I got distracted by one thing or another, and I mistakenly closed the lid
> on
> my machine. I attempted to restart, and after turning Voice Over on, all I
> heard was "installer progress has no windows." After a number of tries, I
> managed (I think) to put my Mac into recovery mode. Since I didn't have a
> current time machine backup, I chose the option to download and install a
> fresh OS. After pressing the "continue" button several times, I was told
> that I was not entitled to do this by Apple. Now, I have a bit of a hearing
> loss, and Voice Over with Fred is not always clear to me, but that's what
> it
> sounded like.
>
> Does anyone on this list have a clue as to how I proceed, or does my Mac
> have to go to the hospital?
>
> Any help would be hugely appreciated!
>
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Increased "Busy" Incidents with Safari after OS Upgrade

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

After upgrading my mid-2015 MacBook Air from Yosemite OS X 10.10.5 to
Mojave 10.14.4 (I know, quite a jump), I am noticing an increase in
incidents where Safari goes busy with websites that have a good many
controls.  There are many sites where this is not a problem, but on
longish booking forms, for instance, for hotels, the delays  are
pretty vexing.  I am wondering if the mere 4GB of memory I have is
right on the edge of comfort for Mojave.  Has anyone notice this
increase, and does anyone have suggestions for combatting the problem?

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Reading a PDF File by Word Using Preview

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Jurgen, and thank you for your solution, which worked perfectly.
I'm embarrassed by my mistakes, but I'll include them here in case they
help others.   I knew to interact with the paragraph in which the word I
wanted to copy occured, but I pressed Command plus right arrow instead of
VO plus right arrow to find the word, and I pressed Command-C to copy it
instead of VO-SHIFT plus C.   This double error made the operation fail
miserably.   I too often forget about the VO-SHIFT-C command.   I'm rather
surprised that the Apple Accessability rep did not know this sequence
since, as you say, it is fairly simpler

Chaig

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 1:21 AM Jürgen Fleger 
wrote:

> Hello Craig,
>
> actually it‘s fairly simple: interact with the paragraph and use VO +
> right arrow. Add Shift to move by character.
>
> For me Preview works fine in most cases. No huge issues. The only thing
> difficult are tables but that‘s all.
>
> To copy the Word to the paste board use VO + Shift + c to copy the last
> spoken phrase to paste board. Or use CMD + a to highlight all the text and
> copy it to paste board.
>
> As far as I know Adobe still didn‘t make Acrobat Reader accessible to
> VoiceOver. But I‘m not absolutely sure about this.
>
> Hope this helps
> Jürgen
>
>
>
>
> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>
> > Am 28.02.2019 um 05:22 schrieb Craig Werner :
> >
> > Greetings, everyone.
> >
> > I know there are multiple problems when using Preview to read Adobe
> > Acrobat files with VoiceOver, and I am not skilled at messing about
> > with these files.  However, what I'm trying to do is so basic that I
> > feel there must be a way to accomplish my purpose.
> >
> > Question: How do I read by word in an Adobe Acrobat file using
> > VoiceOver and then select that word for later pasting?  Let's assume I
> > am on the first word of a file.  How do I get to the second word and
> > have it read that word?  Right arrow produces no sound.  VO-right
> > arrow takes me to the next paragraph.  Is this the best I can hope
> > for?  In other words, I can read by paragraph  using VO-right arrow
> > and even by lines (VO-down arrow gives me the next line); but I can't
> > read word by word.  An Apple Accessibility rep advised me to get Adobe
> > Acrobat.  Of course, I can do this and probably will.
> >
> > I am using VoiceOver with macOS 10.14.3.
> >
> > Thank you very much for all help.
> >
> > Craig
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Reading a PDF File by Word Using Preview

[Craig Werner]

Greetings, everyone.

I know there are multiple problems when using Preview to read Adobe
Acrobat files with VoiceOver, and I am not skilled at messing about
with these files.  However, what I'm trying to do is so basic that I
feel there must be a way to accomplish my purpose.

Question: How do I read by word in an Adobe Acrobat file using
VoiceOver and then select that word for later pasting?  Let's assume I
am on the first word of a file.  How do I get to the second word and
have it read that word?  Right arrow produces no sound.  VO-right
arrow takes me to the next paragraph.  Is this the best I can hope
for?  In other words, I can read by paragraph  using VO-right arrow
and even by lines (VO-down arrow gives me the next line); but I can't
read word by word.  An Apple Accessibility rep advised me to get Adobe
Acrobat.  Of course, I can do this and probably will.

I am using VoiceOver with macOS 10.14.3.

Thank you very much for all help.

Craig

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Re: macOS 10.14.3: VoiceOver Loading Slowly after Entering Password

[Craig Werner]

Just to clarify, I did not do a clean install, just an upgrade after
backing up the machine.  I do have applications that may perform some
loading and checking activities between the time I press the "login"
button and the time VoiceOver speaks.  I have Dropbox and ClamXAV on
my system.

Here's the short summary of load times:

Time of boot-up before password is requested: about 15 seconds for
Yosemite and Mojave
Time between pressing "login" button and VoiceOver speaking: about 4
seconds for Yosemite; about 15 seconds for Mojave

I'm not very concerned about this situation.  As the days go by, I
realize my MacBook Air is performing well under 10.14.3.  I get no
more "Safari busy" notifications than I did when I ran Yosemite, and
although the Mail app takes perhaps a second longer to load under
Mojave than it did under Yosemite, the machine seems snappier when I
navigate from element to element.

Craig

On 2/26/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
> The iMacs with an HD have a 5400 RPM HD which is rather frustrating to me.
> You have all the power and RAM required to have a really quite amazing
> machine, but the 5400 RPM drive is like putting a 4 cylinder engine into a
> full size pickup.  Yes, services like iCloud syncing, DropBox and Google
> Drive that go out to sync data can slow things down between login and
> building of the Desktop.  Unless you were experiencing problems prior to the
> upgrade, a clean install vs upgrade install really shouldn't be a factor.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Feb 26, 2019, at 07:37, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a 2013 iMac with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB HD and have auto login
> enabled and find that vo takes quite a bit of time to load.  I am wondering
> if you did a clean install or a in place upgrade.  This may have something
> to do with it.  Also do you have certain apps such a drop box or online
> backup apps that load at start at login.  Just trying to have some idea as
> to what could be causing this.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 6:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: macOS 10.14.3: VoiceOver Loading Slowly after Entering
> Password
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd say that it might be a combination of both.  The 4 GB is pretty much the
> minimum that Mojave can handle.  Combine that with a slower processor, and
> you will find things a little slower.  Also, if you've just done the
> upgrade, give your Mac about 24 hours or so to index everything and it
> should start behaving better.  Note, the indexing only happens when the Mac
> is awake.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Feb 25, 2019, at 16:06, Craig Werner  <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Greetings to the list.
>
> After a much overdo upgrade of my MacBook Air from OS X 10.10.5 to
> macOS Mojave 10.14.3, VoiceOver takes quite a bit of time to load
> after I type my Apple ID password.  About fifteen seconds elapse
> between my entering the "login" command and VoiceOver's speaking the
> "Welcome to OS 10" message.  With Yosemite, the time interval was
> about four seconds.  Is this a known issue with later macOS versions,
> or is it due to the 4GB storage capacity of my machine?
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Craig
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Re: macOS 10.14.3: VoiceOver Loading Slowly after Entering Password

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Tim, for your prompt reply.

Yes, I rather suspected the low storage capacity and slow processor
speed of my mid-2015 Mac.  I performed the upgrade about two days ago,
and the machine  has been awake for a reasonable amount of time; so
perhaps its indexing is complete.  Had I upgraded gradually rather
than jumping from 10.10 to 10.14, the slow VoiceOver awake time might
not have been as noticeable to me.  It's a small price to pay for an
updated operating system.

Craig

On 2/25/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
> I'd say that it might be a combination of both.  The 4 GB is pretty much the
> minimum that Mojave can handle.  Combine that with a slower processor, and
> you will find things a little slower.  Also, if you've just done the
> upgrade, give your Mac about 24 hours or so to index everything and it
> should start behaving better.  Note, the indexing only happens when the Mac
> is awake.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Feb 25, 2019, at 16:06, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Greetings to the list.
>
> After a much overdo upgrade of my MacBook Air from OS X 10.10.5 to
> macOS Mojave 10.14.3, VoiceOver takes quite a bit of time to load
> after I type my Apple ID password.  About fifteen seconds elapse
> between my entering the "login" command and VoiceOver's speaking the
> "Welcome to OS 10" message.  With Yosemite, the time interval was
> about four seconds.  Is this a known issue with later macOS versions,
> or is it due to the 4GB storage capacity of my machine?
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Craig
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macOS 10.14.3: VoiceOver Loading Slowly after Entering Password

[Craig Werner]

Greetings to the list.

After a much overdo upgrade of my MacBook Air from OS X 10.10.5 to
macOS Mojave 10.14.3, VoiceOver takes quite a bit of time to load
after I type my Apple ID password.  About fifteen seconds elapse
between my entering the "login" command and VoiceOver's speaking the
"Welcome to OS 10" message.  With Yosemite, the time interval was
about four seconds.  Is this a known issue with later macOS versions,
or is it due to the 4GB storage capacity of my machine?

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Recommendations for Mac Antivirus Software

[Craig Werner]

My sincere thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.  I appreciate
the recommendations for antivirus software for the Mac, but I also
appreciate hearing from those of you who feel such software is unnecessary.
My concern over the possible susceptibility of Macs to harmful invasions is
prompted by recent articles in leading tech journals that suggest that Macs
are becoming increasingly frequent targets, and that the notion that they
are immune from threats is, in some cases, at least, a misguided one. I am
not going to take issue with those on this forum with much more expertise
than I when they say they don’t run such software.  I recognize that doing
so may in many cases be unnecessary and may even slow down machines.

I have decided to update my ClamXAV package and now have a subscription,
which is the only way one can continue to receive updates.  There is also a
new version, 3, which seems to work quite well with VoiceOver.

Craig

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:50 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Try Sophos
> www.sophos.com/home,
>
> you can sign up and get a copy that gives you full coverage like a paid
> copy and that you can run on up to 10 machines from the one account /
> registration setup on the site.
>
> I use this on work machines both mac and windows and also personal
> machines and have no issue with it in anyway.
>
>
>
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recommendations for Mac Antivirus Software
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I have been using ClamXAV for my Mac antivirus protection.  Since ClamXAV
> has recently gone to a subscription-based pay plan and since the product is
> not gaining the best reviews from the tech sites I read, I wonder what list
> users recommend.  I am looking for reliable detection, thorough cleaning
> and quarantining, and solid VoiceOver compatibility.
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Recommendations for Mac Antivirus Software

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I have been using ClamXAV for my Mac antivirus protection.  Since
ClamXAV has recently gone to a subscription-based pay plan and since
the product is not gaining the best reviews from the tech sites I
read, I wonder what list users recommend.  I am looking for reliable
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compatibility.

Thank you for all help.

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Re: Playing BBC World Service Content on My Mac

[Craig Werner]

David and everyone, as I wrote a few days ago, the help file that
speaks of incompatibility with OS X VoiceOver is confusing.  The
notation actually relates to the BBC Media Player, not, strictly
speaking, to the BBC iPlayer.  I am confused because I am under the
impression that the Media Player is an Android app, so associations
with VoiceOver make no sense to me.  At any rate, as I said a few days
ago, an update of the Adobe Flash Player allows me to listen to the
iPlayer Radio stream on my Mac running OS X 10.10.5.  The link to the
BBC help file is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/online/mp_accessibility_help

On 8/2/16, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, David, and thank you for responding.
>
> I updated my Adobe Flash Player, and the iPlayer is now working well.
> Oddly enough, when I looked at the Accessibility section of iPlayer
> Help, I learned, if I read the help file correctly, that Safari wasn't
> supported in OS X, but it is in iOS 9.x.  The wording of the file's
> text is a bit ambiguous, so I may be misreading its intent (if files
> can be said to have intentions).  
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 8/2/16, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have not looked specifically for World Service but in the past I have
>> beend able to play a lot of BBC Radio content  like BBBC Radio 4 simply
>> through ITunes using its internet radio capacity.
>>
>>
>> I have not done this for at least a year so I would have to go back and
>> check whether iTunes can still do this but it would be worth a look.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>> On 02/08/2016 12:47, Craig Werner wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> I am a U.S. listener running OS X 10.10.5 on a MacBook Air.  I
>>> am trying to play live stream of the BBC World Service via the BBC
>>> iPlayer, but when I
>>> press the "Play" button on the iPlayer Radio screen, nothing happens.
>>> I have tried to activate the "Mute/Unmute" button and the various
>>> buttons that increase the volume; but no matter what I do, I hear
>>> nothing.  I'm not even sure if the buttons are being activated.  Has
>>> anyone else experienced this problem?
>>>
>>> Thank you for all help.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
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Re: Playing BBC World Service Content on My Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, David, and thank you for responding.

I updated my Adobe Flash Player, and the iPlayer is now working well.
Oddly enough, when I looked at the Accessibility section of iPlayer
Help, I learned, if I read the help file correctly, that Safari wasn't
supported in OS X, but it is in iOS 9.x.  The wording of the file's
text is a bit ambiguous, so I may be misreading its intent (if files
can be said to have intentions).  

Craig


On 8/2/16, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have not looked specifically for World Service but in the past I have
> beend able to play a lot of BBC Radio content  like BBBC Radio 4 simply
> through ITunes using its internet radio capacity.
>
>
> I have not done this for at least a year so I would have to go back and
> check whether iTunes can still do this but it would be worth a look.
>
>
>
> David Griffith
>
> On 02/08/2016 12:47, Craig Werner wrote:
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> I am a U.S. listener running OS X 10.10.5 on a MacBook Air.  I
>> am trying to play live stream of the BBC World Service via the BBC
>> iPlayer, but when I
>> press the "Play" button on the iPlayer Radio screen, nothing happens.
>> I have tried to activate the "Mute/Unmute" button and the various
>> buttons that increase the volume; but no matter what I do, I hear
>> nothing.  I'm not even sure if the buttons are being activated.  Has
>> anyone else experienced this problem?
>>
>> Thank you for all help.
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Playing BBC World Service Content on My Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am a U.S. listener running OS X 10.10.5 on a MacBook Air.  I
am trying to play live stream of the BBC World Service via the BBC
iPlayer, but when I
press the "Play" button on the iPlayer Radio screen, nothing happens.
I have tried to activate the "Mute/Unmute" button and the various
buttons that increase the volume; but no matter what I do, I hear
nothing.  I'm not even sure if the buttons are being activated.  Has
anyone else experienced this problem?

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: I Need a Little Help in Safari

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Kawal, the poster was just engaging in a little harmless friendly humor by
pretending to worry that Mark was going to turn into an obsessive game
player.

Craig"

On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Please can you tell me why you think Mark’s question was a little crazy
> for you as I thought it a perfectly simple question.  Mark is always
> particular and methodical in what he writes and could follow what he said.
> Perhaps I’m missing the point?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 10:33, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
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> Mark, Till now I had respect for you. Now I'm just really concerned!
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> Tell me your not getting into this psycho craze! LOL>
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> Hello Everyone,
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> Earlier today, I received an email in my Inbox with a link to a cNet
> article that I wanted to read.
>
> When I click on the link, Safari opens and, in addition to the text, a
> Flash video begins to play.  Try as I may, I cannot seem to stop the
> video.  This is to say, I cannot find the pause/stop button.
>
> I realize that my Safari skills are not as advanced as they should be so
> I'm hoping one of you Safarians can inform me as to how to stop the
> playback.
>
> I grew so frustrated with this endeavor that I finally gave up and opened
> the article in Windows Explorer where I could read the text without being
> bothered with the video playback, via Jaws.
>
> Article:
> Pokemon Go could crash and burn this way
>
> http://enews.cnet.com/ct/36465781:WmNb4zYgN:m:1:643954770:AB022623DBB6DD9EE0
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Re: Did I imagine

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Martin.

You may well know this, but interacting with the text with
"VO-Shift-down arrow" before pressing "VO-A" may be helpful.

Craig


On 7/17/16, Martin Brown  wrote:
> Is it my imagination, that there used to be a key stroke to read
> continuously using Voiceover. If true, was it 'VO keys plus the letter 'a'.
> To stop reading, press the control key, and to start reading again press
> the
> control key again.
> I seem to remember that, when reading a newspaper that had each article
> marked up as headers for example, when an article of interest was found
> Voiceover could be set to read continuously and stopped with the above
> commands.
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Re: Playing "The Golden Wombat of Destiny" on a Mac

[Craig Werner]

Thanks, Sabahattin, for your reply.  I am not emulating Windows on my Mac,
and since I have a Windows machine, perhaps I will try the Golden Wombat
there.  Playing a game is not high enough on my priorities list to make it
work on the Mac, but it's good to know the functionality may be there.

Craig


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> Certainly you can play text adventures on a Mac, but for various reasons I
> still do so in Windows.  The game you mentioned is unknown to me.
>
> Which games did you have in mind?  How much trouble are you willing to put
> in to this?  And have you got a Windows VM?
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> The audyssey list and audiogames.net are a great pair of resources to
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Playing "The Golden Wombat of Destiny" on a Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am wondering if anyone on this list felt a flush of excitement when
reading the "Subject" field of this message.  If anyone remembers the
adventure game for early computers called "The Golden Wombat of
Destiny," please let me know if it and other 1980s text games are
playable on the Mac.

Thank you.

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Re: Deleting an Item from the Safari "Favorites" List

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I should have asked how I can delete a "Favorites" item using the
fewest keystrokes.  The only way I have found to delete an item is to
open Safari, interact with the Sidebar, make sure the "Bookmarks"
radio button is selected, interact with the "Bookmarks" scroll area,
and interact with the  "Bookmarks" table.  I can then press "Delete"
after arrowing to the unwanted item.  Surely, there must be a more
efficient way of doing this.

Thank you.

Craig

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> Hello, everyone.
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Deleting an Item from the Safari "Favorites" List

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Hello, everyone.

I am running OS X 10.10.5 on a Macbook Air.  How do I delete an item
from my Safari "Favorites" list?

Thank you for all help.

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Re: adding a mailbox to favorites with yosemite

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Jim' I'm coming into this thread late, so this may be old territory for
you.  You're familiar with Alex Hall's article "Mac Mail Explained" on
Applevis, right?  In that article is a good step-by-step guide to adding@
mailbox to the Favorites bar.

Craig


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> Hi,
> and thanks for your email. I did try that key combination and it did not
> seem to make a difference but thanks for the suggestion.
>
> > On May 10, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Jenine Stanley  > wrote:
> >
> > Did you try VO-shift-F3 to toggle cursor tracking to off? It didn’t make
> much of a difference when I did this butit does supposedly solve the issue.
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> >> Ialso tried vo-command-f5 to move and announce the position of the
> mouse.  It does not seem to be routing the mouse when I do that command.
> Any ideas?
> >>
> >>> On May 10, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Jenine Stanley  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Did you try moving with the arrow keys to change the position of the
> mailbox in the favorites list? I found when doing so that if I was to the
> left of the In Box, it wouldn’t drop the item.
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>  Hi all!
>  Previously I've been able to add mailboxes to the favorites bar in
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> to add an additional mailbox to the favorites bar and now it says can't
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Re: Getting very irritated with editting text on I O S

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Chris, have you tried forgetting the keyboard and then re-enabling the
Bluetooth connection? I'll bet you have.

Craig

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>
> I am using a bluetooth keyboard with my IPad Air.  When I try editting
> text by means of arrowing around a text area with my arrow keys in all 4
> directions, although mainly when moving left and right character by
> character, I'm finding that sometimes Voiceover reads correctly the
> character the cursor passes, as expected, but more times than not, it reads
> that, but it also reads the next character as well.  Say I typed the word
> cat, but actually wanted to say cash.  I know I could backspace out the t
> then type s h, but let's say I left arrowed after typing the t in cat.  I
> might hear it say T, which is fine, but other times when I left arrow I'd
> hear it say t A.  So, OK, is my cursor to the left of the T?  Or is it now
> to the left of the A.  It's incredibly difficult to tell when it does this,
> and therefore, I often get terribly bad edits.
>
> Is there a work around to this?
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> I'm on I O S 9.2, and no, this is not a beta of any type.
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Re: Low power mode?

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Chris, if you don't want to turn off Power Mode in Settings, it will
automatically disengage when your iDevice is charged to a certain point.

Craig

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Re: Odd Navigation Results with Web Page under OS X 10.10.5

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Hello, Sabahattin.

I have indeed reported the link to Apple Accessibility with full
particulars of the allegedly locked table.  I pointed out that the
page is navigable with the Tab and other keys but that results
produced by pressing VO-left and VO-right arrow are disappointing and
anomalous.  They may well tell me to upgrade to El Capitan and Safari
9.0.2, but still, it's worth reporting the problem.

Craig

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> Indeed.  Very frustrating.  As always, please tell accessibil...@apple.com
> and show them the page, if you can.  This sort of thing needs to be
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Re: Odd Navigation Results with Web Page under OS X 10.10.5

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Sabahattin, for your thoughtful reply.  I checked and
unchecked the "Group items within" checkbox under the "VoiceOver
Utility -> Web -> Navigation -> Navigating Web Tables" item, and the
little table was still locked.  That is, pressing "VO-left" and
"VO-right" produced no results.  As I said, pressing the "Tab" key
gave access to all sorts of links and other form controls.  I am going
to subscribe to your theory of the misbehaving  table  and hope that
when I upgrade to El Capitan, something I am reluctant to do right
now, that the problem will go away.  I may try updating to the latest
version of Safari; I am currently running Version 8.0.8.  I should add
something that you already probably have guessed: the page can be
easily navigated under iOS 9.2.  I am easily resisting the temptation
to turn my Mac into a Windows machine to test this page because I am a
new user and because this page is the only one I have found that
behaves in this peculiar way.

Craig

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> I too encounter pages where elements are concealed within layout tables,
> which VO will then either skip or otherwise make it difficult to navigate,
> and I have not yet found a workaround beyond starting a Windows virtual
> machine or using iOS.
>
> You might try turning off “Group items within when navigating web tables” in
> VO utility under the Web category.  This will turn tables into interactable
> elements, rather than leaving them flat against the rest of the web page.
> You may possibly then find that your stuck table is navigable.  Hopefully.
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Odd Navigation Results with Web Page under OS X 10.10.5

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am a fairly new MacBook user who has run into a web page whose
navigation looks odd to me.  If I go to

http://www.amherst.ny.us

and press the VO-left and VO-right keys, I am told the only content of
the page is a table with one column and two rows.  Attempts to
interact with this table produce no results.  However, if I press the
"web summary" key (VO-Shift-I,") I note there is quite a bit of
content on the page in the forms of links, form controls, etc.  If I
use the Tab key to look at links, the page suddenly comes to life.
What is causing this odd navigational behavior?  How should I navigate
the page most efficiently?

Thank you.

Craig

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Re: Alex for the Mac and Correctness of Pronunciation

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My point exactly. Alex has more than his share of pronunciation
eccentricities. However, after so many years of Eloquence use, I'm going to
give him a good try. Let's see how adaptive I can be in making the proper
auditory closures so that eventually, he won't seem so quirky.

Craig"

On Saturday, December 12, 2015, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:

> To me, regards sounds more like “regardsh,” when used in a sentence. I’m
> just listening too hard or not.
> > On Dec 11, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks very much to all who have responded to my request for help.
> >
> > Shaun and Alex, I typically run my Mac OS voices at around 50 percent.
> > Sometimes, the faults I perceive are accentuated if I run them at a
> > rate under 50%.
> >
> > Nicolai, here are a couple of examples which demonstrate the kind of
> > behavior to which I am referring.
> >
> > In the first example, note the pronunciation of the word "department."
> > It sounds to me as if the "e" is almost absent, and so is the final
> > "T."
> >
> > Example 1: I hope to see you at future department gatherings.
> >
> > In the second example, note the pronunciation of the word "regards."
> > It sounds to me as if the last two letters are "g s," not "d s."  I
> > have typed it twice on two lines to allow the example to be listened
> > to line by line.
> >
> > Example 2:
> > Regards,
> > Regards,
> >
> > A couple of things you should know about my listening habits: First, I
> > am a Windows refugee and have spent over twenty years listening to and
> > appreciating the Eloquence voice for its clear pronunciation but
> > admittedly not for its grace or beauty.  I have been listening to Alex
> > for about five months.  Second, I feel much more comfortable with
> > Samantha, Karen, and Daniel, all voices available on my iPhone 5,
> > which I have owned for about three years.
> >
> > Also, please remember that I am using OS X 10.10.5 and am wondering if
> > Alex sounds better with OS X 11.2.  I had a brief flirtation with El
> > Capitan before deciding, as a very new user, to roll back to Yosemite,
> > so I don't have enough recall of what Alex sounded like with the new
> > version to make a comparison.
> >
> > It appears that my concerns represent a minority viewpoint, but I'm
> > hoping something useful will come out of this thread anyway.  Again,
> > all comments welcome.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > n 12/10/15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> I use Alex at 70% on iOS and OS X, and have rarely noticed a problem.
> Put
> >> another way, Alex has no more pronunciation oddities, to my ear, than do
> >> other popular voices. Often, he's easier to understand, and he seems to
> try
> >> less auto-expansion tricks than do Nuance voices, which is nice. He also
> >> does that cool thing with words surrounded by single quotes… Anyway, I'm
> >> just saying I haven't seen any problems with his speech, at least not
> that
> >> I've noticed.
> >>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 18:35, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I'd also be very curious for a more specific example (a sentence where
> >>> this occurs.)
> >>>
> >>> I do notice that sometimes, Alex does swallow words and almost mashes
> them
> >>> together with others, making it hard to hear parts of the word, but
> Apple
> >>> is usually good about addressing this. This happens so rarely and I
> have
> >>> not seen this since OS X 10.11.2, even at speech rate at 100%.
> >>>
> >>> Nicolai
> >>>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi. I don't notice any pronunciation issues with Alex. Just out of
> >>>> curiosity, what's the rate of your speech? I keep all my voices at a
> 35%
> >>>> speech rate because they sound the most natural with that rate. Any
> >>>> higher is unnatural.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shawn
> >>>> Sent From My White MacBook
> >>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapp

Re: Alex for the Mac and Correctness of Pronunciation

[Craig Werner]

Thanks very much to all who have responded to my request for help.

Shaun and Alex, I typically run my Mac OS voices at around 50 percent.
Sometimes, the faults I perceive are accentuated if I run them at a
rate under 50%.

Nicolai, here are a couple of examples which demonstrate the kind of
behavior to which I am referring.

In the first example, note the pronunciation of the word "department."
 It sounds to me as if the "e" is almost absent, and so is the final
"T."

Example 1: I hope to see you at future department gatherings.

In the second example, note the pronunciation of the word "regards."
It sounds to me as if the last two letters are "g s," not "d s."  I
have typed it twice on two lines to allow the example to be listened
to line by line.

Example 2:
Regards,
Regards,

A couple of things you should know about my listening habits: First, I
am a Windows refugee and have spent over twenty years listening to and
appreciating the Eloquence voice for its clear pronunciation but
admittedly not for its grace or beauty.  I have been listening to Alex
for about five months.  Second, I feel much more comfortable with
Samantha, Karen, and Daniel, all voices available on my iPhone 5,
which I have owned for about three years.

Also, please remember that I am using OS X 10.10.5 and am wondering if
Alex sounds better with OS X 11.2.  I had a brief flirtation with El
Capitan before deciding, as a very new user, to roll back to Yosemite,
so I don't have enough recall of what Alex sounded like with the new
version to make a comparison.

It appears that my concerns represent a minority viewpoint, but I'm
hoping something useful will come out of this thread anyway.  Again,
all comments welcome.

Thank you.

Craig

n 12/10/15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> I use Alex at 70% on iOS and OS X, and have rarely noticed a problem. Put
> another way, Alex has no more pronunciation oddities, to my ear, than do
> other popular voices. Often, he's easier to understand, and he seems to try
> less auto-expansion tricks than do Nuance voices, which is nice. He also
> does that cool thing with words surrounded by single quotes… Anyway, I'm
> just saying I haven't seen any problems with his speech, at least not that
> I've noticed.
>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 18:35, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'd also be very curious for a more specific example (a sentence where
>> this occurs.)
>>
>> I do notice that sometimes, Alex does swallow words and almost mashes them
>> together with others, making it hard to hear parts of the word, but Apple
>> is usually good about addressing this. This happens so rarely and I have
>> not seen this since OS X 10.11.2, even at speech rate at 100%.
>>
>> Nicolai
>>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi. I don't notice any pronunciation issues with Alex. Just out of
>>> curiosity, what's the rate of your speech? I keep all my voices at a 35%
>>> speech rate because they sound the most natural with that rate. Any
>>> higher is unnatural.
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>>
>>>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,everyone.
>>>>
>>>> As we all know, preference for one voice over another is a matter  of
>>>> subjective interpretation.  However, it strikes me that one criterion
>>>> is less subjective than the others: the ability of a synthesizer to
>>>> pronounce a word correctly in the dialect and language the user has
>>>> chosen.  In this respect, it seems to me, Alex doesn't perform well.
>>>> I have noticed that even common words are too often mispronounced,
>>>> and, in Yosemite 10.10.5, at least, it is the short ones, such as
>>>> "to," "the," "into," "that," etc. that are often mispronounced or have
>>>> portions of them swallowed up.  Whether these words are correctly
>>>> pronounced may depend on their position on a line and their
>>>> contiguity, or lack of it, with punctuation marks.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering about two questions.  First, is Alex's pronunciation
>>>> more correct under OS 10.11 than under 10.10?  Second, are there other
>>>> voices that pronounce common words more accurately?
>>>

Re: [Bulk] still no new message sound in Mail

[Craig Werner]

Thank you for your thoughtfulness, Katie, in reviving this thread.  I
don't know if this elusive bug, which seems only to have affected a
minority of users, ever made it to the top of Apple's bug list, but
I'm glad the bug has been squashed for you.

Craig

On 12/10/15, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:
> Hi, everyone. I just installed the latest update for El Capitan. Good news,
> Apple fixed that bug in mail. I wasn’t getting any sound at all when new
> messages would arrive. Now, the new mail sound finally works with this
> update. Yay! Just wanted to let you guys know.
> Katie
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was one of the first people to report this problem to the VoiceOver
>> community. All sound preferences were set properly, and no amount of mail
>> sound to tweaking restored the new mail sound. I reported the problem to
>> Apple and was told by a rep that he had run into the problem with some
>> users, but it is not on the list of El Capitan emerging issues. For this
>> and other reasons, I rolled back to Yosemite 10.10.5.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015, george b <gbma...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Tell me what to do to make a custom sound please
>> thanks
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of John
>> Panarese
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 13:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>
>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] still no new message sound in Mail
>>
>>Do you have a custom sound you can copy into your user library/sounds
>> folder?  If so, I would try using that one just to see if that works.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <javascript:;>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>>
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net
>> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, John its Katie. I tried using the glass sound effect when I checked
>> > for new mail 2 days ago, and nothing happened. Then I went back to the
>> > new mail sound and when I check for new messages, I still don’t hear
>> > anything. I’m having  no luck at this. In mail preferences in the
>> > general tab, I have the checkbox checked for play sounds for other mail
>> > actions. In the notification center, I have alerts and sounds checked
>> > for the mail app. The notification center is something new I haven’t
>> > seen on my Mac before since I upgraded from Snow Leopard. I’m not sure
>> > why this isn’t working.
>> > Do you have any other ideas? Should I have someone at the Apple store
>> > look at my Mac again?
>> > Thanks.
>> > Katie
>> >> On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:58 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com
>> >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  I’d try the original new mail sound and see what happens. I am using
>> >> it now, though I do prefer my custom sound and will probably go back to
>> >> using it, since it was working.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Take Care
>> >>
>> >> John D. Panarese
>> >> Director
>> >> Mac for the Blind
>> >> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <javascript:;>
>> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> >> <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> >>
>> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> >>
>> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> >>
>> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net
>> >>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi, John. Normally I have the new message sound selected in Mail, but
>> >>> I changed the sound effect to glass instead. I checked the box after
>> >>> that when i

Re: Alex for the Mac and Correctness of Pronunciation

[Craig Werner]

Alex, you said something potentially helpful.  Referring to my
perceived mispronunciation of the end of "regards," you wrote: "my
brain hears what it expects at the end of 'regards'. "  It may well be
that I am not sufficiently tuned into Alex's accent to allow my brain
to make the proper closure.  Eloquence and the iOS voices I mention
have similar inflections and word spacings; in other words, despite
differences in voice quality, their rhythms sound to me quite similar.
Alex, on the other hand, often glides from word to word.  I'll give
myself more time with Alex and see how I manage.

I do know about the free downloadable Nuance voices for the Mac.  I
have downloaded Tom and Samantha and find them easier to comprehend
than Alex.  However, it seems to me that Alex's bandwidth is broader,
allowing for a more open, realistic sound as compared to the more
restricted, or pinched, tone of Samantha and Tom.  Tom speaks at a
slightly lower volume as well.  I hope I don't seem too compulsively
picky; I'm just making observations.

Craig

On 12/11/15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Using Alex on 10.11.2 at 70%, I noticed no problems in your examples.
> However, my rate is fast enough that picking out a D sound versus a hard G
> sound at the end of a word is impossible; my brain hears what it expects at
> the end of 'regards'. In the first example, though, I heard 'department'
> quite clearly.
>
> Remember that Samantha, Daniel, and the rest of the gang are available on OS
> X if you'd rather use them. Just open the VO utility, go th the speech
> category and then the voices tab, choose 'customize' from the popup menu of
> voices, and choose the ones you want in the resulting table. Once they
> finish downloading, you'll have access to them.
>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:00, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks very much to all who have responded to my request for help.
>>
>> Shaun and Alex, I typically run my Mac OS voices at around 50 percent.
>> Sometimes, the faults I perceive are accentuated if I run them at a
>> rate under 50%.
>>
>> Nicolai, here are a couple of examples which demonstrate the kind of
>> behavior to which I am referring.
>>
>> In the first example, note the pronunciation of the word "department."
>> It sounds to me as if the "e" is almost absent, and so is the final
>> "T."
>>
>> Example 1: I hope to see you at future department gatherings.
>>
>> In the second example, note the pronunciation of the word "regards."
>> It sounds to me as if the last two letters are "g s," not "d s."  I
>> have typed it twice on two lines to allow the example to be listened
>> to line by line.
>>
>> Example 2:
>> Regards,
>> Regards,
>>
>> A couple of things you should know about my listening habits: First, I
>> am a Windows refugee and have spent over twenty years listening to and
>> appreciating the Eloquence voice for its clear pronunciation but
>> admittedly not for its grace or beauty.  I have been listening to Alex
>> for about five months.  Second, I feel much more comfortable with
>> Samantha, Karen, and Daniel, all voices available on my iPhone 5,
>> which I have owned for about three years.
>>
>> Also, please remember that I am using OS X 10.10.5 and am wondering if
>> Alex sounds better with OS X 11.2.  I had a brief flirtation with El
>> Capitan before deciding, as a very new user, to roll back to Yosemite,
>> so I don't have enough recall of what Alex sounded like with the new
>> version to make a comparison.
>>
>> It appears that my concerns represent a minority viewpoint, but I'm
>> hoping something useful will come out of this thread anyway.  Again,
>> all comments welcome.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> n 12/10/15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> I use Alex at 70% on iOS and OS X, and have rarely noticed a problem.
>>> Put
>>> another way, Alex has no more pronunciation oddities, to my ear, than do
>>> other popular voices. Often, he's easier to understand, and he seems to
>>> try
>>> less auto-expansion tricks than do Nuance voices, which is nice. He also
>>> does that cool thing with words surrounded by single quotes… Anyway, I'm
>>> just saying I haven't seen any problems with his speech, at least not
>>> that
>>> I've noticed.
>>>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 18:35, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> I'd also be very curious for a more 

Alex for the Mac and Correctness of Pronunciation

[Craig Werner]

Hello,everyone.

As we all know, preference for one voice over another is a matter  of
subjective interpretation.  However, it strikes me that one criterion
is less subjective than the others: the ability of a synthesizer to
pronounce a word correctly in the dialect and language the user has
chosen.  In this respect, it seems to me, Alex doesn't perform well.
I have noticed that even common words are too often mispronounced,
and, in Yosemite 10.10.5, at least, it is the short ones, such as
"to," "the," "into," "that," etc. that are often mispronounced or have
portions of them swallowed up.  Whether these words are correctly
pronounced may depend on their position on a line and their
contiguity, or lack of it, with punctuation marks.

I'm wondering about two questions.  First, is Alex's pronunciation
more correct under OS 10.11 than under 10.10?  Second, are there other
voices that pronounce common words more accurately?

Thanks for all help.

Craig

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Re: Quality of Nuance Voice Tom for the MacBook Air

[Craig Werner]

Yes, Chris, I'm now certain it's my imagination.  After playing with Tom
for a few days, I went back to the sample offered in the VoiceOver Utility
that anyone can hear without downloading the voice, and the sample and
downloaded voices are pretty much the same.  I notice that Tom, and perhaps
the other Nuance voices as well, have their default volumes set a bit lower
than that of Alex.  I get the impression that more fine-tuning of Alex's
voice has taken place when compared to the tweaking of other voices.

Craig


On Sunday, December 6, 2015, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm thinking it's your imagination.  Though I honestly never have liked
> the nuance voices at all really, I've not heard any differences in the way
> you're describing.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Craig Werner" <coffeeb...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:38 AM
> Subject: Quality of Nuance Voice Tom for the MacBook Air
>
>
> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> I am using a 13-inch MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I recently
>> downloaded the Nuance voice Tom using the VoiceOver Utility function,
>> and I notice that the sample sentence spoken by Tom accessible without
>> downloading the voice sounds more natural than the downloaded voice.
>> "Natural" is, of course, difficult to define, but to my ears, the
>> sample voice sounds as if it occupies a greater frequency bandwidth.
>> Is this limitation on the quality of the downloaded voice connected to
>> the available memory of the MacBook Air?  Is it a product of my
>> imagination?  :-)
>>
>> Thank you for all help.,
>>
>> Craig
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Quality of Nuance Voice Tom for the MacBook Air

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am using a 13-inch MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I recently
downloaded the Nuance voice Tom using the VoiceOver Utility function,
and I notice that the sample sentence spoken by Tom accessible without
downloading the voice sounds more natural than the downloaded voice.
"Natural" is, of course, difficult to define, but to my ears, the
sample voice sounds as if it occupies a greater frequency bandwidth.
Is this limitation on the quality of the downloaded voice connected to
the available memory of the MacBook Air?  Is it a product of my
imagination?  :-)

Thank you for all help.,

Craig

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Re: T-Mobile selling 128GB iPhone for 16GB price

[Craig Werner]

Mary, that's a wonderful idea, but I'm quite sure Verizon doesn't support
GSM technology, the protocol in use by T-mobile.

Craig

On Thursday, December 3, 2015, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Well, if I had not just bought a 64gb  iPhone, I would be running over to
> T-Mobile right now. But I can't justify it darn it. Will have to tell a
> friend of mine who is about to buy a new phone that maybe he can get one
> from Tmo and then authorize it on Verizon his carrier of choice.
> Mary
>
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
> I just called T-Mobile.
>
> The reduced phone prices are available to existing or new customers.  They
> just aren’t moving a lot of 128 MB models which makes sense with all the
> streaming options.  I spoke to someone in the Dallas office.
>
> Your milage may very but it sounds promising anyway.
>
> On Dec 3, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
> http://9to5mac.com/2015/12/03/verizon-t-mobile-promotions/In the article
> link above, this offer is only four people switching from AT Nice offer,
> but not as open as one might have wished. Too bad Verizon folks. Smile.
> Mary
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
> It is an unlocked phone, not sure where the idea they sell locked devices
> comes from.  If you finance they lock the IMEI but the phone itself is
> unlocked or at least everything I have bought from them has been unlocked.
>
> I believe anyone can call up and get this deal, it’s not restricted to
> customer type.  I haven’t tried to call them to order one though.
>
> On Dec 3, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
>
> Is that for new customers, switchers? Sweet deal. Too bad it's not just an
> unlocked phone. That would be pretty awesome.
>
> Mary
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> On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
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> Hi, just a heads up that Redmond Pie is announcing that T-Mobile is
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> instead of 899 .
>
>
> This is a nice savings.  Might be worth adding to some readers christmas
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Re: T-Mobile selling 128GB iPhone for 16GB price

[Craig Werner]

George and Mary, I have just demonstrated the validity of the old saying,
"we learn through our mistakes." One of the good things about this group is
that one may learn something when least expected to do so.

Craig

On Thursday, December 3, 2015, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that Verizon does not support GSM. But it seems to me I have read
> in more than one place that the recent iPhone is a universal device, such
> that you could buy unlocked and then bring it to any carrier, whether it
> was T-Mobile, or Verizon, or AT etc. Maybe I'm nuts.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Mary, that's a wonderful idea, but I'm quite sure Verizon doesn't support
> GSM technology, the protocol in use by T-mobile.
>
> Craig
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','motte...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Well, if I had not just bought a 64gb  iPhone, I would be running over to
>> T-Mobile right now. But I can't justify it darn it. Will have to tell a
>> friend of mine who is about to buy a new phone that maybe he can get one
>> from Tmo and then authorize it on Verizon his carrier of choice.
>> Mary
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>
>> I just called T-Mobile.
>>
>> The reduced phone prices are available to existing or new customers.
>> They just aren’t moving a lot of 128 MB models which makes sense with all
>> the streaming options.  I spoke to someone in the Dallas office.
>>
>> Your milage may very but it sounds promising anyway.
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://9to5mac.com/2015/12/03/verizon-t-mobile-promotions/In the article
>> link above, this offer is only four people switching from AT Nice offer,
>> but not as open as one might have wished. Too bad Verizon folks. Smile.
>> Mary
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>
>> It is an unlocked phone, not sure where the idea they sell locked devices
>> comes from.  If you finance they lock the IMEI but the phone itself is
>> unlocked or at least everything I have bought from them has been unlocked.
>>
>> I believe anyone can call up and get this deal, it’s not restricted to
>> customer type.  I haven’t tried to call them to order one though.
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is that for new customers, switchers? Sweet deal. Too bad it's not just
>> an unlocked phone. That would be pretty awesome.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, just a heads up that Redmond Pie is announcing that T-Mobile is
>> selling the 128GB iPhone for the 16GB price.  This means 699  I believe
>> instead of 899 .
>>
>>
>> This is a nice savings.  Might be worth adding to some readers christmas
>> lists.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy
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Re: Unable to Logon to a Web Site

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Nicolai, for parsing the source code of the login page in
question and for suggesting a URL offering a logon without changing
Safari's efault cookies setting.  I have run this problem by a good
friend with extensive Mac OS administrative experience, and he
confirms that this oddity happens from time to time.  Like you, I
can't imagine what advantage is to be gained from drawing information
from a page in addition to the one the user has loaded.  I may indeed
write to the developer, but I may not do so as an end user.  I may ask
an instructor of mine, the person who has the license for the software
that schedules our classes, to forward my concern.

BTW, if one types the error message "Cookies are required to access
this site" into the Google search box, several references to this
developer's scheduling software come up.  It's hard for me to believe
they don't know about the problem.  It appears to be browser-specific
since logon proceeds normally when I use either Firefox or Internet
Explorer for Windows.  I have not yet tried using the page under iOS.

Craig

On 11/13/15, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Actually, it makes sense, in a way. The content shown inside the frame comes
> from a different source and is loaded into it, and because it comes from a
> different page, the JavaScript cookie isn't recognized using the setting and
> the fields don't show, but instead shows you the warning. This is evident
> from looking at the page source alone, even on both sides including the
> frame source, but if you go here:
> http://clients.mindbodyonline.com/ws.asp?studioid=37742stype=-2subTab=schedule
> with the setting set to only permit cookies from website you visit, it will
> show. I'm not sure what prompted such a design decision, and thankfully it
> is rare. At least, this is the first time I've seen this in a while.
>
> It might be worth getting in touch, since I wouldn't be very inclined to log
> in, at least through
> http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com
> having to allow cookies from everywhere.
>
> Nicolai
>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No worries my friend, both learned something new here. What sort of place
>> a gym?
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for replying, Charlie.
>>>
>>> You're on the right track.  In fact, cookies must be enabled for all
>>> sites in order for the CoreConceptsClarence.com page to work properly.
>>> This makes no sense.  The default setting for cookies, "allow for
>>> websites I visit," should allow for the page to work.  An Apple
>>> Accessibility representative told me that occasionally, developers
>>> code their pages in such a way as to necessitate Safari's acceptance
>>> of cookies from all sites.  This is a real bother since theoretically,
>>> at least, the user is opening his/her computer to malware if that
>>> setting is allowed to become the default.  It looks like I have
>>> stumbled across a rather rare find here.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/13/15, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Craig check your privacy setting in safari and see if cookies are
>>>> allowed
>>>> from current website is radio buttoned
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using Safari on a MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I am trying
>>>>> to logon to a web site whose username and password fields are not
>>>>> being spoken by VoiceOver.  When I go to
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com
>>>>>
>>>>> and then activate the "My Account" link, the username and password
>>>>> fields are not on screen.  Under the "My Account" heading is a "Frame
>>>>> 0" notation, and when I interact with this frame, I can hear the text
>>>>> telling me that "cookies are required to access this site."  I have
>>>>> not changed any Safari settings since installing Yosemite 10.10.5.
>>>>> Can anyone imagine what is going on with this site?  I have never
>>>>> received a cookies-related message from Safari before.  Then again, I
>>>>> have only been a Mac user for a few months.
>>>>>

Unable to Logon to a Web Site

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am using Safari on a MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I am trying
to logon to a web site whose username and password fields are not
being spoken by VoiceOver.  When I go to

http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com

and then activate the "My Account" link, the username and password
fields are not on screen.  Under the "My Account" heading is a "Frame
0" notation, and when I interact with this frame, I can hear the text
telling me that "cookies are required to access this site."  I have
not changed any Safari settings since installing Yosemite 10.10.5.
Can anyone imagine what is going on with this site?  I have never
received a cookies-related message from Safari before.  Then again, I
have only been a Mac user for a few months.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Unable to Logon to a Web Site

[Craig Werner]

Thanks so much for replying, Charlie.

You're on the right track.  In fact, cookies must be enabled for all
sites in order for the CoreConceptsClarence.com page to work properly.
This makes no sense.  The default setting for cookies, "allow for
websites I visit," should allow for the page to work.  An Apple
Accessibility representative told me that occasionally, developers
code their pages in such a way as to necessitate Safari's acceptance
of cookies from all sites.  This is a real bother since theoretically,
at least, the user is opening his/her computer to malware if that
setting is allowed to become the default.  It looks like I have
stumbled across a rather rare find here.

Craig


On 11/13/15, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Craig check your privacy setting in safari and see if cookies are allowed
> from current website is radio buttoned
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> I am using Safari on a MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I am trying
>> to logon to a web site whose username and password fields are not
>> being spoken by VoiceOver.  When I go to
>>
>> http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com
>>
>> and then activate the "My Account" link, the username and password
>> fields are not on screen.  Under the "My Account" heading is a "Frame
>> 0" notation, and when I interact with this frame, I can hear the text
>> telling me that "cookies are required to access this site."  I have
>> not changed any Safari settings since installing Yosemite 10.10.5.
>> Can anyone imagine what is going on with this site?  I have never
>> received a cookies-related message from Safari before.  Then again, I
>> have only been a Mac user for a few months.
>>
>> Thank you for all help.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Help from fellow academics out there? Desperate!

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Sarah.

I'm afraid I don't know of any software package that handles numerous
styles accessibly, but I can offer you a small dose of encouragement.
I had an academic career that ran from 1978-2011, and I hand-generated
citations and bibliographies as I went along without the benefit of
software, first on a manual typewriter, than on WordPerfect for DOS
and Word for Windows.  I only had to deal with MLA, I admit.

Craig

On 11/1/15, Sarah Amelia Sackville McLauchlan  wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> If any of you out there are also academics, do you know of any good
> citation-management software that works with Voice-Over?  I’ve been trying
> Zotero, but it’s a complete nightmare!  And I didn’t find Refworks all that
> accessible either (though that was with a different screen-reader before I
> switched to Mac).  Besides, it’s expensive I gather, and tied to your
> university.  Now, expensive I don’t necessarily mind, if I can be reasonably
> sure it’s going to actually work before I spend the money.  But, if
> possible, I’d like something I can use whether I’m formally affiliated with
> a university or not, because, once I finish my doctorate, I may not always
> be.  But I’ll still want to do academic work, submitting to conferences and
> journals and the like, and I’ll still want to publish!  Oh!  And it also
> needs to be something that will allow me to create citations in a variety of
> styles, not just in one.  My work is interdisciplinary, so I sometimes have
> to use MLA and at other times APA, for example, depending on which course,
> conference or journal I’m writing for.  Anyway, if any of you know of a
> citation-management software that’s VO compatible that’d work for that
> stuff, it’d be a real life-saver!  So thanks!
>
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Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Craig Werner]

I was one of the first people to report this problem to the VoiceOver
community. All sound preferences were set properly, and no amount of mail
sound to tweaking restored the new mail sound. I reported the problem to
Apple and was told by a rep that he had run into the problem with some
users, but it is not on the list of El Capitan emerging issues. For this
and other reasons, I rolled back to Yosemite 10.10.5.

Craig


On Thursday, October 29, 2015, george b  wrote:

> Tell me what to do to make a custom sound please
> thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 13:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] still no new message sound in Mail
>
>Do you have a custom sound you can copy into your user library/sounds
> folder?  If so, I would try using that one just to see if that works.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> >
> > Hi, John its Katie. I tried using the glass sound effect when I checked
> for new mail 2 days ago, and nothing happened. Then I went back to the new
> mail sound and when I check for new messages, I still don’t hear anything.
> I’m having  no luck at this. In mail preferences in the general tab, I have
> the checkbox checked for play sounds for other mail actions. In the
> notification center, I have alerts and sounds checked for the mail app. The
> notification center is something new I haven’t seen on my Mac before since
> I upgraded from Snow Leopard. I’m not sure why this isn’t working.
> > Do you have any other ideas? Should I have someone at the Apple store
> look at my Mac again?
> > Thanks.
> > Katie
> >> On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:58 PM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> >>
> >>  I’d try the original new mail sound and see what happens. I am using
> it now, though I do prefer my custom sound and will probably go back to
> using it, since it was working.
> >>
> >>
> >> Take Care
> >>
> >> John D. Panarese
> >> Director
> >> Mac for the Blind
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, John. Normally I have the new message sound selected in Mail, but
> I changed the sound effect to glass instead. I checked the box after that
> when it said select ellipsis and closed out of mail preferences. I sent a
> test email to myself and thought the glass sound was going to work, but
> nothing happened when I got the email. Should I go back to the default mail
> sound or select a different sound?
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Katie
>  On Oct 26, 2015, at 3:52 PM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>  Did you try messing with the popup menu for the new mail sound and
> try different options. I just changed mine back to the default sound and it
> is working. It was not working initially, which was why I was using a
> custom sound I put on the system. However, now it is working.
> 
> 
>  Take Care
> 
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> 
> 
> > On Oct 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Mark and George. That’s exactly what happens to me with Mail
> too. I get the swishing send mail sound but no new mail sound when I
> receive messages. All the other sound effects and Voiceover work fine on my
> Mac.
> > I guess there’s a few of us that have this problem besides me. I’m
> glad I’m not the only one.
> > Katie
> >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:02 PM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Katie,
> >>
> >> I'm curious, are you hearing sound effects in other applications
> such as the Messages app?
> >>
> >> Be sure that your system sound preferences are set correctly.
> >>
> >> 

Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Craig Werner]

I am convinced that this is indeed a bug for some people. There are several
threads of :
:
conversation on the web devoted to this subject, and some of the users
reporting the problem appear quite experienced. An App
Apple rep told me he has heard of the problem, but it is not on the list of
emerging problems for El Capitan.

Craig


On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Katie Zodrow  wrote:

> Hi, Daniel. Should I check the checkbox for play other message sounds in
> mail when I’m in preferences? I think I have this already checked, but I’m
> not hearing anything.
> Thanks.
> Katie
> > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Daniel Miller  > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Katie,
> >
> > I get the new mail sound on my macbook air running 10.11.1. Make sure
> your preferences are set to play sounds in the mail app.
> >
> >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting
> any new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was
> going to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in
> notification center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone
> else had this problem after they updated?
> >> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
> >> Katie
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From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

As a MacBook Air user of just under three months, I am posting a
little tale about my brief experience upgrading to El Capitan.  I do
this for two reasons: to acquaint new users thinking of upgrading with
one rookie's experience and perhaps to generate a bit of commentary
from more experienced users.

As someone who has come up through the ranks of CP/M, MS-DOS, Windows,
and Apple iOS, I am no newcomer to the world of computers.  In July, I
bought a MacBook Air, which came with Yosemite 10.10.3, which I
upgraded to 10.10.5 in early September.  I love reading documentation,
so I threw myself happily into reading lots of VoiceOver and OS X
resources, including Tim Sniffen's and Janet Ingber's books, AppleVis
posts, and various podcasts, supplemented by generous chunks of David
Pogue's _Yosemite: the Missing Manual_.  The learning curve was steep,
but I almost enjoyed my first few weeks.  Troubled by some bugs,
notably in Mac Mail, I wondered if I should upgrade to El Capitan.
Years and years of caution prompted my inner voice to urge me to stay
put and be patient as I learned; but one day in October, I took the
plunge.  Buoyed by my success at upgrading, I started to play with El
Capitan only to discover within a few minutes that not only were the
Mail bugs still present but also Safari often displayed a "busy"
status at times when performing the same operations in Yosemite
produced happier results.

I decided to return to Yosemite 10.10.5, so, urged on by an Apple
Accessibility rep who told me I could downgrade without a bootable
drive, I decided to use Internet Recovery to restore the OS that came
with the machine.  Something went wrong during the attempt to
downgrade, and the Mac refused to acknowledge my router.  A couple of
earnest attempts by Apple Accessibility personnel to help the machine
recover failed, and I decided to take the computer into the nearby
Apple Store for a clean install.  The bottom line is that the machine
has been restored to its Day One state, so to speak, and I am quite
content to wallow in Yosemite for the time being.

My point is simple: if you're new to this game, consider carefully
whether the advantages you may gain when trying to upgrade are worth
the risk.  Better to learn carefully what you don't know now than to
add more layers which you may not have bargained for.

Some of you might be wondering why you have bothered to read something
so self-evident.  All I can say is temptation doesn't always yield
beneficial results.  At the risk of stating the obvious, I have stated
the obvious.  

Craig

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Re: problem with mail sounds on my Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Katie and everyone.

When I first reported this issue to Apple, reps denied knowledge. I hope
this is still not the case.

Craig


On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, Katie Zodrow  wrote:

> Hi, CJ. Thanks for letting me know. I thought I had something set up wrong
> when I was checking for new email. Glad it’s just a bug. I hope Apple fixes
> this in the next update.
> Katie
> > On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:23 PM, CJ Daniel  > wrote:
> >
> > Katie,
> >
> > Sorry, but that seems to be a bug with Mail in El Capitan.  In other
> words, it’s not a configurable thing.  In fact, I just saw a post from a
> guy on another list that specifically mentioned that this issue was still
> alive & well in today’s maintenance release.  So, I suppose we’ll have to
> wait for another update.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > CJ
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, everyone.. I’ve been using El Capitan since I got my Mac fixed
> yesterday. I was having problems with logging in when I entered my
> password, but I got that fixed at the Apple store yesterday. I just
> upgraded from Snow Leopard. I really like the new operating system so far,
> but I have a small problem that’s kind of annoying. The Mail app is very
> different to navigate compared to when I used OS 10.6.8, but I’m getting
> used to it. I have to interact a couple more times in different tables
> compared to what I’m used to. The only problem I have is I’m not getting a
> new message alert sound when I get new email. I tried checking for new
> messages and I don’t hear anything either. When I send a message, it does
> the swooshing sound like before, but nothing when I receive email. All the
> other sounds work on my Mac fine, but I’m not sure why this isn’t working.
> >> Can you please help me fix this?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Katie
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Re: problem with mail sounds on my Mac

[Craig Werner]

Katie, I have been doing more web reading about this bug and have
discovered that some users are experiencing it on POP3 accounts but
not on IMAP accounts.  Is your email set up for POP3 protocol?  Mine
is, and before I rolled back to Yosemite, I didn't get an incoming
mail sound either.

Craig


On 10/21/15, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> Hi, everyone.. I’ve been using El Capitan since I got my Mac fixed
> yesterday. I was having problems with logging in when I entered my password,
> but I got that fixed at the Apple store yesterday. I just upgraded from Snow
> Leopard. I really like the new operating system so far, but I have a small
> problem that’s kind of annoying. The Mail app is very different to navigate
> compared to when I used OS 10.6.8, but I’m getting used to it. I have to
> interact a couple more times in different tables compared to what I’m used
> to. The only problem I have is I’m not getting a new message alert sound
> when I get new email. I tried checking for new messages and I don’t hear
> anything either. When I send a message, it does the swooshing sound like
> before, but nothing when I receive email. All the other sounds work on my
> Mac fine, but I’m not sure why this isn’t working.
> Can you please help me fix this?
> Thanks.
> Katie
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Re: Mail sounds gone in El Capitan

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Anne.

I'm glad some of your mail sounds have been restored.  As long as
Apple acknowledgess the bug, there's hope.I know the lack
of an incoming mail sound is really no more than an annoyance, and I
admit I have assigned undue import to its remedy.  I guess we all have
pet bugs, so to speak, that we worry about.  For now, I'm back with
Yosemite.  I'll try El Capitan after a couple of updates and when I
know more about my three-month-old machine.

Craig

On 10/18/15, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> Hello Craig,
>
> My problem seems to be resolving itself gradually. I now have quite a few of
> the sounds back, without having done anything further to change things.
> Yes, I found a long thread on the Net about this and one person said that he
> had submitted a bug report and been told that his report was closed since
> the bug was being worked on already.
> My MacBook Air is three years old and working great under El Capitan. I do,
> however, have 8 gb of memory.
> Amazingly, we have a 6 year old 17-inch MacBook Pro with only 2 gb of memory
> which we’ve been using to beta test El Capitan in French, and it’s holding
> up remarkably well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>> On 18 Oct 2015, at 04:55, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Anne.
>>
>> A day or two after the public release of El Capitan, another user and
>> I posted either on MacVisionaries or Peel-the-Apple that our incoming
>> mail sound disappeared after the upgrade from Yosemite to El Capitan.
>> In fact, I believe any sounds associated with the Mac Mail app
>> disappeared, in my case, at least.  I made sure that sound effects
>> were still enabled, and I ran through all the different incoming mail
>> sounds.  No joy.  I also created a Test account with the same
>> disappointing results.  Then, I enabled mail sounds not just for the
>> inbox but for all my mailboxes.  When these attempts failed, an Apple
>> Accessibility rep suggested the radical solution of erasing the hard
>> drive and rolling back to Yosemite 10.10.5.  This solved the problem.
>> I know this was a drastic step to take, especially because it
>> prevented further specific testing.  However, since Safari was quite
>> flaky on my MacBook Air, and since I had reservations, as a new user,
>> in upgrading so soon after El Capitan was released, I figured the
>> safest path was to restore my machine to its Day One state, so to
>> speak.
>>
>> BTW, there is evidence on the net for others having this problem.  I
>> read a thread which had a number of contributors, none of whom said
>> they were VoiceOver users.  One poster said he finally got an
>> admission from an Apple rep that this sound issue was a bug.  However,
>> two Apple Accessibility reps I spoke to said they had not heard of the
>> problem and assured me it was not on their list of emerging issues.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/15, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I installed El Capitan today and my only problem is that my Mail sounds
>>> are
>>> all gone. Not just my custom sounds, but the built-in Mail sounds too.
>>> I’ve done the new First Aid thing in Disk Utility. I’ve booted into Safe
>>> Mode. I’ve reset the SMC. Anyone got any other ideas?
>>> It’s not critical, I just like to know which mailboxes to look in.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
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Re: Mail sounds gone in El Capitan

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Anne.

A day or two after the public release of El Capitan, another user and
I posted either on MacVisionaries or Peel-the-Apple that our incoming
mail sound disappeared after the upgrade from Yosemite to El Capitan.
In fact, I believe any sounds associated with the Mac Mail app
disappeared, in my case, at least.  I made sure that sound effects
were still enabled, and I ran through all the different incoming mail
sounds.  No joy.  I also created a Test account with the same
disappointing results.  Then, I enabled mail sounds not just for the
inbox but for all my mailboxes.  When these attempts failed, an Apple
Accessibility rep suggested the radical solution of erasing the hard
drive and rolling back to Yosemite 10.10.5.  This solved the problem.
I know this was a drastic step to take, especially because it
prevented further specific testing.  However, since Safari was quite
flaky on my MacBook Air, and since I had reservations, as a new user,
in upgrading so soon after El Capitan was released, I figured the
safest path was to restore my machine to its Day One state, so to
speak.

BTW, there is evidence on the net for others having this problem.  I
read a thread which had a number of contributors, none of whom said
they were VoiceOver users.  One poster said he finally got an
admission from an Apple rep that this sound issue was a bug.  However,
two Apple Accessibility reps I spoke to said they had not heard of the
problem and assured me it was not on their list of emerging issues.

Craig


On 10/17/15, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I installed El Capitan today and my only problem is that my Mail sounds are
> all gone. Not just my custom sounds, but the built-in Mail sounds too.
> I’ve done the new First Aid thing in Disk Utility. I’ve booted into Safe
> Mode. I’ve reset the SMC. Anyone got any other ideas?
> It’s not critical, I just like to know which mailboxes to look in.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
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Re: Two Interesting Things That Occurred During My Installation of El Capitan

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Mark, for your compliments. Actually, the reboot I performed was
more of an act of desperation than it was calculated strategy, so I don't
think the praise is entirely deserved, but I am appreciative of the
encouragement because so often, over the past few months, I have considered
returning to Windows as I ascend Mount Mac. (smile)

The only issues I have found with El Capitan so far are the "Safari busy"
problem and the disappearance of the "new mail" sound when new messages are
received. Both, I believe, have been documented on this list. I'll keep
everyone informed as to new discoveries.

Craig


On Sunday, October 4, 2015, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

> Hello Craig,
>
> As a new Mac user, you should be extremely proud of yourself.  It takes a
> lot of guts to install a new OS, especially after so short of a time at the
> helm.
>
> Just think about it, both you and I came up with the exact same solution
> and I've been doing this for over 7 years; I don't know if that says more
> about you or about me (big, big smile).  My point is that, in my opinion,
> you did the correct thing in powering down the computer and rebooting.
>
> As for how the OS was successfully installed, suffice me to say that all
> of the proverbial heavy-lifting was already done by the time the setup
> assistant was launched.  This is just a guess but I suspect that the
> problem for both of us was simply some kind of a video display glitch.
> Generally speaking, the setup assistant assesses what passwords and such
> need to be entered by the user before proceeding.  However, all of the
> mission-crucial tasks have already been completed.
>
> After my reboot, I received a couple of password prompts that I would
> probably have received during the setup process, nothing more.
>
> Finally, as for the issues you are encountering, if you feel up to it, I
> would appreciate it if you would begin a new thread detailing them so we
> can all compare notes, as it were.
>
> Craig, well done on your installation and, if I have not expressed the
> sentiment earlier, welcome to the family.
>
> Mark
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 7:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>
> Subject: Re: Two Interesting Things That Occurred During My Installation
> of El Capitan
>
> Mark, the installer progress bar lingered for me as well.  I did the same
> thing as you did: turn off the machine and then turn it back on.  I don't
> know know how El Capitan installed itself, but it did.  This odd behavior
> is especially disturbing to me as a new Mac user of two months.  I am
> wondering if some of the problems I am having with El Capitan are due to
> the way it was installed--a process I rather bumbled my way through.  I'm
> not at all proud of my achievement and am now thinking of reverting back to
> Yosemite.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I cannot recall if this has been covered, on-list, but thought I would
> share
> two issues of some note, that occurred during my installation of El
> Capitan.
>
> 1.
> Upon successful download of El Capitan from the App Store, the installer
> did
> not automatically launch.  This did not bother me as I always cancel the
> installer until I make a USB install key.
>
> 2.
> Rather than wiping my hard drive clean and installing El Capitan, fresh,
> which I intend to do in a couple of weeks, I elected to install the OS over
> the current install of Yosemite.  Upon restarting, and after the setup
> assistant had launched, the install progress screen refused to disappear.
> I
> could enable/disable VoiceOver, I could use several of the VoiceOver
> commands but the installation progress window, containing the Apple logo
> and
> a completed progress bar remained.  After about an hour of waiting, I
> powered down the computer and restarted.  All has been well ever since.
>
> Just a quick note to say that I never experienced this behavior during the
> beta cycle.
>
> Mark
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Re: Two Interesting Things That Occurred During My Installation of El Capitan

[Craig Werner]

Mark, the installer progress bar lingered for me as well.  I did the same
thing as you did: turn off the machine and then turn it back on.  I don't
know know how El Capitan installed itself, but it did.  This odd behavior
is especially disturbing to me as a new Mac user of two months.  I am
wondering if some of the problems I am having with El Capitan are due to
the way it was installed--a process I rather bumbled my way through.  I'm
not at all proud of my achievement and am now thinking of reverting back to
Yosemite.

Craig


On Saturday, October 3, 2015, M. Taylor  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I cannot recall if this has been covered, on-list, but thought I would
> share
> two issues of some note, that occurred during my installation of El
> Capitan.
>
> 1.
> Upon successful download of El Capitan from the App Store, the installer
> did
> not automatically launch.  This did not bother me as I always cancel the
> installer until I make a USB install key.
>
> 2.
> Rather than wiping my hard drive clean and installing El Capitan, fresh,
> which I intend to do in a couple of weeks, I elected to install the OS over
> the current install of Yosemite.  Upon restarting, and after the setup
> assistant had launched, the install progress screen refused to disappear.
> I
> could enable/disable VoiceOver, I could use several of the VoiceOver
> commands but the installation progress window, containing the Apple logo
> and
> a completed progress bar remained.  After about an hour of waiting, I
> powered down the computer and restarted.  All has been well ever since.
>
> Just a quick note to say that I never experienced this behavior during the
> beta cycle.
>
> Mark
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Re: Learning Pages for the Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Anne, and thanks for staying with me as we pursue my question.

I can wholly understand your confusion over my use of the word “column.”  Some 
Windows-based word processors refer to a column as simply a space occupied by a 
character of text or a space proper.  I am not talking about a tabular column.  
Thus, if a line were to begin with the word “train,” the “r” would occupy the 
second column of the line.

Setting the zoom to 200% does make it easier for me to tell the relative 
position of the insertion point on a page of text.  I must say that I still 
prefer precise information as to the line number on which the insertion pointer 
sits.  For instance, let’s assume that I am writing a letter in a style 
allowing for forty lines per page.  If I can quickly check my cursor position, 
and if that check results in the line number being read, I know exactly how 
many lines I have before a page break.  I find this information helpful when 
spacing out a document.  In time, no doubt, I will get used to the relative 
position indications in inches announced by Pages.  I think we can probably put 
this thread to rest with many thanks for your dogged persistence.  :-)

Craig

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Craig,
> 
> VO-F3 should tell you what page you’re on.
> If you set the zoom to 200% VO-F4-F4 will give you a pretty close 
> approximation to where the insertion point is on the page.
> I’m a bit confused about what you mean by Column number. If you have two or 
> three columns across the page, you can see exactly what they look like by 
> going to the Formatter. You can set hotspots in the Formatter on information 
> of interest to you such as X and Y coordinates or column width.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 00:05, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Very true, Anne, but I'm afraid I want something more specific. If I could 
>> make Pages announce line, page, and column number, I would have a very good 
>> idea of where I am in a document. This would come in handy, for instance, if 
>> I were writing a short document, and I wanted to to space it out prettily so 
>> that it took up most of the page.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> Craig, if you stop interacting, VO will tell you which page you’re on and 
>> how many pages are in the document.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:39, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com 
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, Anne.
>>> 
>>> Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having 
>>> now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am 
>>> searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion 
>>> pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information 
>>> about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote:
>>> Hello Craig,
>>> 
>>> Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the menus 
>>> to find the short cuts.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com <>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you, Anne, for your response.  I should have mentioned that I have 
>>>> Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful.  I’m more of a keyboard 
>>>> shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not 
>>>> immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his 
>>>> explanations  and the thoroughness of his approach.
>>>> 
>>>> Craig
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk <>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Craig,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” 
>>>>> by Tim Sniffen.
>>>>> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but 
>>>>> it’s full of use

Re: Migrating iTunes Library from PC to MacBook Air

[Craig Werner]

Thanks to Jonathan and Grant for very helpful posts. Fortunately, I have
not changed the path of my iTunes library on my PC, so it's pretty likely
the copying will go smoothly.

Craig


On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Grant <grant.li...@icloud.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> As you may know, on a PC the iTunes library is typically stored in
> c:\users\username\music\iTunes. You can force your library folder to be
> somewhere else if you want, but that’s where it typically is. Inside that
> folder, there’s a sub-folder called iTunes Media, which has subfolders like
> audiobooks, music, and podcasts where your media is organized. On a Mac,
> iTunes uses an identical structure; you can force the library folder to be
> somewhere else if desired, but typically it’s under the music folder in
> your home directory. So, copying the folder from the music folder on your
> PC to the music folder on your Mac, then opening up iTunes on the Mac,
> should do the trick. You’ll be presented with the same library you were
> using on your PC.
>
> There are two exceptions, however. One is if you have changed the location
> of the iTunes Media folder, though this is unlikely unless you specifically
> remember doing so. You can check this in iTunes on your PC by opening the
> edit menu, choosing preferences, then looking under the advanced tab. If
> you’ve moved your iTunes Media folder, you can move it back to its usual
> location before doing the copy. The other exception is if you’ve stored
> some media outside of your iTunes Media folder. That media won’t be copied.
> To make sure this isn’t a problem, before you copy the folder, open iTunes
> on your PC, open the file menu, choose the library submenu, then choose
> “organize library”. If necessary, you’ll be given the option to organize
> your library so that everything’s contained within the iTunes Media folder.
>
> With all that out of the way, you can copy the folder normally, such as
> using the method Jonathan described.
>
> Keep us posted if you have further questions. That’s what the list is for!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Grant
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 5:50:30 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reassurance, Jonathan.  I have never copied from machine to
> machine before.  Am I to assume that the Mac will honor the same folder
> structure for my library as the PC does?  I won’t clutter the list with
> more thanks, but be assured I’ll read your response.
>
> Craig
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 2:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jmo...@mosen.org');>> wrote:
>
> Hi Craig, I copied my library across the network from one machine to
> another. Was quite straightforward.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>
> On 19/09/2015, at 10:15 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Greetings to the list.
>
> Presently,my iTunes library lives on my iPhone 5 and my Windows 7 PC.  I
> would like to put the library on my new MacBook Air.  I’m under the
> impression that the Windows Migration Assistant is the best way to transfer
> the library.  If I use this approach, is the software accessible with a
> Windows screen reader?  Are there other  methods of which I should be aware?
>
> Thanks for all help.
>
> Craig
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Re: Learning Pages for the Mac

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Anne, for your response.  I should have mentioned that I have Tim 
Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful.  I’m more of a keyboard shortcut 
person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not immediately useable 
to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his explanations  and the 
thoroughness of his approach.

Craig


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Craig,
> 
> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by 
> Tim Sniffen.
> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s 
> full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, everyone.
>> 
>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a basic 
>> understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and 
>> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles 
>> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to 
>> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go 
>> searching for specific links.
>> 
>> Thanks for all help.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: Migrating iTunes Library from PC to MacBook Air

[Craig Werner]

Thanks for the reassurance, Jonathan.  I have never copied from machine to 
machine before.  Am I to assume that the Mac will honor the same folder 
structure for my library as the PC does?  I won’t clutter the list with more 
thanks, but be assured I’ll read your response.

Craig

> On Sep 19, 2015, at 2:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig, I copied my library across the network from one machine to another. 
> Was quite straightforward.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>> On 19/09/2015, at 10:15 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings to the list.
>> 
>> Presently,my iTunes library lives on my iPhone 5 and my Windows 7 PC.  I 
>> would like to put the library on my new MacBook Air.  I’m under the 
>> impression that the Windows Migration Assistant is the best way to transfer 
>> the library.  If I use this approach, is the software accessible with a 
>> Windows screen reader?  Are there other  methods of which I should be aware?
>> 
>> Thanks for all help.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: Learning Pages for the Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Anne.

Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having
now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am
searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion
pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information
about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would.

Craig


On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>
wrote:

> Hello Craig,
>
> Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the
> menus to find the short cuts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Anne, for your response.  I should have mentioned that I have
> Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful.  I’m more of a keyboard
> shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not
> immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his
> explanations  and the thoroughness of his approach.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote:
>
> Hello Craig,
>
> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by
> Tim Sniffen.
> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s
> full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a
> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and
> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles
> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to
> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go
> searching for specific links.
>
> Thanks for all help.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: Learning Pages for the Mac

[Craig Werner]

Very true, Anne, but I'm afraid I want something more specific. If I could
make Pages announce line, page, and column number, I would have a very good
idea of where I am in a document. This would come in handy, for instance,
if I were writing a short document, and I wanted to to space it out
prettily so that it took up most of the page.

Craig


On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>
wrote:

> Craig, if you stop interacting, VO will tell you which page you’re on and
> how many pages are in the document.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:39, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hello, Anne.
>
> Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having
> now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am
> searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion
> pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information
> about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Craig,
>>
>> Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the
>> menus to find the short cuts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Anne, for your response.  I should have mentioned that I have
>> Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful.  I’m more of a keyboard
>> shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not
>> immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his
>> explanations  and the thoroughness of his approach.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Craig,
>>
>> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh”
>> by Tim Sniffen.
>> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but
>> it’s full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a
>> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and
>> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles
>> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to
>> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go
>> searching for specific links.
>>
>> Thanks for all help.
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Migrating iTunes Library from PC to MacBook Air

[Craig Werner]

Greetings to the list.

Presently,my iTunes library lives on my iPhone 5 and my Windows 7 PC.  I would 
like to put the library on my new MacBook Air.  I’m under the impression that 
the Windows Migration Assistant is the best way to transfer the library.  If I 
use this approach, is the software accessible with a Windows screen reader?  
Are there other  methods of which I should be aware?

Thanks for all help.

Craig

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Learning Pages for the Mac

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a
basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and
replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles
or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to
where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go
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Thanks for all help.

Craig

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