Re: File Vault

[Herbie Allen]

I use it since I figure it’s a great privacy tool to have in the unlikely event 
someone were to get ahold of my computer. It encrypts the data on the Hard 
Drive so someone can’t just say disconnect the drive, and plug it into another 
computer.

> On Apr 24, 2024, at 11:09, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use file vault. I don't find it necessary.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 09:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Thanks, very helpful. I have not decided if I need File Vault but who 
> knows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
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> 
> On 4/23/2024 5:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to 
>> keep safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but 
>> instead, braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you 
>> could access from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're 
>> going to use file vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk 
>> with your apple ID.
>> Sent from John Panarese's iPhone
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe 
>>> from others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>>> The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no 
>>>> different.
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was 
>>>>> turned on, which it isn't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
>>>>> things one must expect, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>> My e-Mail:
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Re: File Vault

[Doug Lee]

Will the mods please pardon my post... but dictation software changing 
"personal information" into "personal
infuriation" is one of the best typos I've seen this year! Especially since 
misuse of the one will certainly
generate the other. :)

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 04:31:42PM +, Maurice A. Mines wrote:
Hi. I  have  been using file volt for  more than then too years now  and. Have  
had no  issues. I  just believe one might  not wont to. Share personal 
infuriation that  privet, like  medical info, or things  that  are intended for 
work  or. school. The. Point is. A  mater off  personal privacy.

Maurice Mines.

> On Apr 24, 2024, at 16:09, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use file vault. I don't find it necessary.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 09:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Thanks, very helpful. I have not decided if I need File Vault but who 
> knows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 4/23/2024 5:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to 
>> keep safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but 
>> instead, braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you 
>> could access from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're 
>> going to use file vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk 
>> with your apple ID.
>> Sent from John Panarese's iPhone
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe 
>>> from others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>>> The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no 
>>>> different.
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was 
>>>>> turned on, which it isn't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
>>>>> things one must expect, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>> -Helen Keller

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Re: File Vault

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi. I  have  been using file volt for  more than then too years now  and. Have  
had no  issues. I  just believe one might  not wont to. Share personal 
infuriation that  privet, like  medical info, or things  that  are intended for 
work  or. school. The. Point is. A  mater off  personal privacy.

Maurice Mines.

> On Apr 24, 2024, at 16:09, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use file vault. I don't find it necessary.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 09:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Thanks, very helpful. I have not decided if I need File Vault but who 
> knows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 4/23/2024 5:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to 
>> keep safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but 
>> instead, braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you 
>> could access from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're 
>> going to use file vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk 
>> with your apple ID.
>> Sent from John Panarese's iPhone
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe 
>>> from others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>>> The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no 
>>>> different.
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was 
>>>>> turned on, which it isn't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
>>>>> things one must expect, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: File Vault

[Brad Snyder]

I don't use file vault. I don't find it necessary.

- Brad -

On Apr 24, 2024, at 09:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Thanks, very helpful. I have not decided if I need File Vault but who knows.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
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On 4/23/2024 5:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to keep 
> safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but instead, 
> braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you could 
> access from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're going to 
> use file vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk with your 
> apple ID.
> Sent from John Panarese's iPhone
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>    Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe 
>> from others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no 
>>> different.
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was 
>>>> turned on, which it isn't.
>>>> 
>>>>  So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
>>>> things one must expect, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
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Re: File Vault

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Thanks, very helpful. I have not decided if I need File Vault but 
who knows.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
 -Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/23/2024 5:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:

If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to keep 
safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but instead, 
braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you could access 
from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're going to use file 
vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk with your apple ID.
Sent from John Panarese's iPhone


On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe from 
others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no different.

On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


  While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was turned 
on, which it isn't.

  So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of things 
one must expect, etc.

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"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Re: File Vault

[Herbie Allen]

Agreed, I’d actually forgotten about the recovery key option.

> On Apr 23, 2024, at 19:05, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to keep 
> safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but instead, 
> braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you could 
> access from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're going to 
> use file vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk with your 
> apple ID. 
> Sent from John Panarese's iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>    Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe 
>> from others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no 
>>> different.
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was turned 
>>>> on, which it isn't.
>>>> 
>>>> So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
>>>> things one must expect, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: File Vault

[John Panarese]

If you're talking about a personal recovery key, it is up to the user to keep 
safe. I would definitely not save it as a file on the computer, but instead, 
braille it separately or somehow keep it on a thumb drive that you could access 
from another computer. It is best, in my opinion, if you're going to use file 
vault, to choose the option to be able to unlock your disk with your apple ID. 
Sent from John Panarese's iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe from 
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>> On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>> The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no 
>> different.
>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> on, which it isn't.
>>> 
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>>> things one must expect, etc.
>>> 
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Re: File Vault

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Ok, how do you  keep the recovery key?  In other words, keep it safe 
from others and yet easy to get to it should you need it.


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On 4/23/2024 12:00 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:

The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no different.


On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was turned 
on, which it isn't.

   So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
things one must expect, etc.

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Re: File Vault

[Herbie Allen]

The big difference is the secure login at start up. Otherwise it’s no different.

> On Apr 23, 2024, at 13:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   While working with Apple on an issue, I was asked if File Vault was turned 
> on, which it isn't.
> 
>   So am curious what its like to have File Vault turned on, what kind of 
> things one must expect, etc.
> 
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RE: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I’ve got to reimage my work machine so I’ll take a look at this when I do it.

I might start vo talking for all situations before I turn file volt on.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2018 4:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

Simon,

You're probably right.  When I had my 2011 souped up MBP, VO did not work at 
the File Vault screen, it just beeped.  When I got this new one with High 
Sierra, I guess that I didn't check the VO settings in Users & Groups very 
carefully, and made an incorrect assumption.  Thanks for enlightening me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 22:23, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I’m sure that in high sierra I Had speech at the log in prompt and I’m running 
file volt on my MBA

I can’t think what I would have done differently or may be I’m just mistaken

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 1:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

Simon,

In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because it 
didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked on my 
new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  Anyway, in 
Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System Preference pane, 
there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press on this and check 
which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen and it works both at 
the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version of the login screen.  
One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your account name at the File 
Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as well.  You could enter either 
the Full Name or the Account Name and it will be accepted.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log in 
work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?



Does that not let you get around this issue?

Sent from my iPhone



On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button three 
quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get the prompt 
to log in.




On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss 
mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, that 
DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for my job. 
 So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help me get it 
set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, and I 
couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound when 
starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, which I 
know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a thing.
Does anyone have some tips?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Jessica Moss]

I finally got it working; I’m not sure what happened, but it was apparently 
trying to either install or reinstall Mac OS, and couldn’t, so I called Apple, 
and they helped me perform the command that forced it to restart from the hard 
drive, and now it’s working again.

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 10:43 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> 
> You're probably right.  When I had my 2011 souped up MBP, VO did not work at 
> the File Vault screen, it just beeped.  When I got this new one with High 
> Sierra, I guess that I didn't check the VO settings in Users & Groups very 
> carefully, and made an incorrect assumption.  Thanks for enlightening me.
> 
> Later...
>   
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 22:23, Simon Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> I’m sure that in high sierra I Had speech at the log in prompt and I’m 
> running file volt on my MBA
>  
> I can’t think what I would have done differently or may be I’m just mistaken
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 1:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.
>  
> Simon,
>  
> In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
> MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because 
> it didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked 
> on my new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  
> Anyway, in Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System 
> Preference pane, there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press 
> on this and check which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen 
> and it works both at the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version 
> of the login screen.  One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your 
> account name at the File Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as 
> well.  You could enter either the Full Name or the Account Name and it will 
> be accepted.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log 
> in work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?
> 
> 
> 
> Does that not let you get around this issue?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese  <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
> three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get 
> the prompt to log in.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss  <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, 
> and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
> thing.
> Does anyone have some tips?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,

You're probably right.  When I had my 2011 souped up MBP, VO did not work at 
the File Vault screen, it just beeped.  When I got this new one with High 
Sierra, I guess that I didn't check the VO settings in Users & Groups very 
carefully, and made an incorrect assumption.  Thanks for enlightening me.

Later...
  
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 22:23, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
I’m sure that in high sierra I Had speech at the log in prompt and I’m running 
file volt on my MBA
 
I can’t think what I would have done differently or may be I’m just mistaken
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 1:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.
 
Simon,
 
In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because it 
didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked on my 
new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  Anyway, in 
Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System Preference pane, 
there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press on this and check 
which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen and it works both at 
the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version of the login screen.  
One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your account name at the File 
Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as well.  You could enter either 
the Full Name or the Account Name and it will be accepted.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log in 
work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?



Does that not let you get around this issue?

Sent from my iPhone


On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button three 
quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get the prompt 
to log in.



On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, that 
DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for my job. 
 So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help me get it 
set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, and I 
couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound when 
starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, which I 
know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a thing.
Does anyone have some tips?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I’m sure that in high sierra I Had speech at the log in prompt and I’m running 
file volt on my MBA

I can’t think what I would have done differently or may be I’m just mistaken

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 1:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

Simon,

In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because it 
didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked on my 
new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  Anyway, in 
Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System Preference pane, 
there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press on this and check 
which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen and it works both at 
the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version of the login screen.  
One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your account name at the File 
Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as well.  You could enter either 
the Full Name or the Account Name and it will be accepted.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log in 
work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?



Does that not let you get around this issue?

Sent from my iPhone


On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button three 
quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get the prompt 
to log in.



On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss 
mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, that 
DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for my job. 
 So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help me get it 
set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, and I 
couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound when 
starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, which I 
know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a thing.
Does anyone have some tips?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,

In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because it 
didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked on my 
new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  Anyway, in 
Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System Preference pane, 
there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press on this and check 
which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen and it works both at 
the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version of the login screen.  
One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your account name at the File 
Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as well.  You could enter either 
the Full Name or the Account Name and it will be accepted.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log in 
work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?



Does that not let you get around this issue?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>  Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
> three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get 
> the prompt to log in.
> 
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>> 
>> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
>> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
>> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
>> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to 
>> sleep, and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
>> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
>> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
>> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
>> thing.
>> Does anyone have some tips?
>> 
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Simon Fogarty]

Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log in 
work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?



Does that not let you get around this issue?

Sent from my iPhone

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>   Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
> three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get 
> the prompt to log in.
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>> 
>> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
>> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
>> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
>> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to 
>> sleep, and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
>> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
>> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
>> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
>> thing.
>> Does anyone have some tips?
>> 
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Hold the power button down for 6 to 10 seconds then release.  Wait another five 
seconds then press the power button.  Wait another five seconds or so, then 
hold down the command key while pressing the power button three times quickly.  
You should hear a VO voice say, "Username".  Enter your username then press 
return.  Remember that the username is the name of your account.  If the IT 
guys set it up with your name as the user account, then it should be your name 
in lower case with no spaces.  After you press return, VO should announce 
"Password".  Enter the password and you should be on your way.

Best.

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:21, Jessica Moss  wrote:

I’ve tried this multiple times with no luck.  One reason seems to be that I 
can’t tell if it’s powered on or not, then on top of that, there appears to be 
a guest account that the person setting it up forgot to delete, and I haven’t 
figoured out even with sighted assistance how to get around it, because 
keystrokes do nothing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:50 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
> three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get 
> the prompt to log in.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
>> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
>> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
>> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to 
>> sleep, and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
>> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
>> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
>> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
>> thing.
>> Does anyone have some tips?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve tried this multiple times with no luck.  One reason seems to be that I 
can’t tell if it’s powered on or not, then on top of that, there appears to be 
a guest account that the person setting it up forgot to delete, and I haven’t 
figoured out even with sighted assistance how to get around it, because 
keystrokes do nothing.

Sent from my iPhone

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>   Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
> three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get 
> the prompt to log in.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
>> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
>> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
>> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to 
>> sleep, and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
>> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
>> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
>> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
>> thing.
>> Does anyone have some tips?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To add to this, the finger print sensor is not active until the main MacOS is 
up and running.  That is, you will need to enter your username, then press 
return, enter your password, then press return.  It will take a little longer 
to get to the Finder than it normally would when File Vault is enabled, but 
should be up in less than a minute.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 11:49, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

In addition, with FileVault turned on, it won’t really be VO, just spoken 
prompts. Sorry I misspoke.
Aleeha 

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> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, 
> and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
> thing.
> Does anyone have some tips?
> 
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[John Panarese]

   Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get the 
prompt to log in.


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> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, 
> and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
> thing.
> Does anyone have some tips?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Aleeha Dudley]

In addition, with FileVault turned on, it won’t really be VO, just spoken 
prompts. Sorry I misspoke.
Aleeha 

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, 
> and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
> thing.
> Does anyone have some tips?
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
Try pressing and holding command, then pressing the Touch ID sensor three times 
while still holding it down. This should get you VO.
Aleeha 

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, 
> and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
> thing.
> Does anyone have some tips?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, that 
DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for my job. 
 So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help me get it 
set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, and I 
couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound when 
starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, which I 
know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a thing.
Does anyone have some tips?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Arthur Gindin]

Should be “accept” not “except”

A visual monitor

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, John,
> 
> You may be right.  I was taken aback when FileVault didn't except my login 
> credentials, and it kind of weirded me out when I got no feedback when 
> entering my username.  That made me wonder if my username had been entered at 
> all, so I may well have paused to try and figure out what was going on.
> 
> Perhaps I'll give it another go, but I'll turn the screen brightness up 
> first, so that if I do get locked out again, my husband can at least see the 
> screen. lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during 
>> the file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the 
>> details. I wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID 
>> credentials or what exactly happens when you use the recover password 
>> fields. It would be curious to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see 
>> if my local Keychain gets unlocked.
>> 
>> One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
>> seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt 
>> if you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the 
>> File Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your 
>> system seemed to be completely quiet.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did.  Didn't work.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>>>>  
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>  
>>>> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten 
>>>> about it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding 
>>>> down the power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to 
>>>> accomplish anything here.
>>>>  
>>>> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are 
>>>> typing?  In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that 
>>>> indicate that characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the 
>>>> username field.  And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab 
>>>> to go to password, but would be prompted again for username.  I would type 
>>>> my username a second time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd 
>>>> like to use FileVault, but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback 
>>>> for the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, 
>>>> type your password and hit enter.
>>>>  
>>>> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can 
>>>> hold the power button for a second and you should get the authentication 
>>>> window to shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you 
>>>> press the FN key with the control-option-command and power button, that 
>>>> should turn it off too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>&g

Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

Simon,

Not sure what you're thinking about.  I had the issue, then, once I regained 
access to my machine, I disabled File Vault.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok,
>  
> Now I’m really stumped,
>  
> You sure it isnt’ getting to the point of a full reimage of the machine to 
> start from scratch?
>  
> Something is playing big games with this machine
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 7:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>  
> I did. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> HI Donna,
>  
> If file volt is activated, why not go in and disable it?
>  
> It’s easy enough to turn off
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 1:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>  
> Donna,
>  
> How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during 
> the file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the 
> details. I wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID 
> credentials or what exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. 
> It would be curious to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my 
> local Keychain gets unlocked.
>  
> One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
> seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt 
> if you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the 
> File Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your 
> system seemed to be completely quiet.
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>  
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Did.  Didn't work.
> Donna
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>  
> Hi John,
>  
> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
> it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
> power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
> anything here.
>  
> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
> In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
> characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  
> And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, 
> but would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second 
> time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, 
> but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
> the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type 
> your password and hit enter.
>  
> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold 
> the power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
> shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
> key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
> too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 72

RE: File Vault Nightmare

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok,

Now I’m really stumped,

You sure it isnt’ getting to the point of a full reimage of the machine to 
start from scratch?

Something is playing big games with this machine

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 7:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

I did. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On Oct 2, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

HI Donna,

If file volt is activated, why not go in and disable it?

It’s easy enough to turn off


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 1:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Donna,

How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during the 
file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the details. I 
wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID credentials or what 
exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. It would be curious 
to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my local Keychain gets 
unlocked.

One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt if 
you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the File 
Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your system 
seemed to be completely quiet.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Did.  Didn't work.
Donna
On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Hi John,

Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
anything here.

Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  And 
it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, but 
would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second time, 
and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, but am 
now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese 
<jpanar...@gmail.com<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type your 
password and hit enter.

As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold the 
power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

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On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi, all,

So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
new MBPs.

This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it to 
shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
Apparently FileVault was activated.

I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I got 
the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same error.

After a f

Re: No problem with File Vault

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Grant,

Thanks for the thought.  But yes, use VO in the Login Window is checked.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Grant Hardy <grantha...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Sorry to hear, that’s very frustrating. Could you try the following?
> 
> 1. Navigate to System Preferences, Users and Groups.
> 2. In the “users, groups, and login options” list, navigate to “login 
> options”.
> 3. Make sure the "Use VoiceOver in the login window” checkbox is checked.
>  If it’s unchecked and dimmed, activate the “click the lock to make changes” 
> button, and enter your password. Then try again.
> 4. Reboot the computer and test again.
> 
> Does this help at all Donna?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Grant
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, Oct 1, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, for all of you who are saying everything is dandy, I could not turn VO 
>> on.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just for the record, toggling VO on Touch Bar Macs does work. File Vault 
>>> makes me sign in, and I can turn VO on in the usual way if it isn't on 
>>> already. It's very slow and loud, but I imagine that's not specific to this 
>>> model of Mac.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 17:01, Grant Hardy <grantha...@outlook.com 
>>>> <mailto:grantha...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve used FileVault ever since getting my First MacBook in 2014 and can’t 
>>>> say that I’ve ever had any major issues with it. The accessibility from a 
>>>> VoiceOver perspective has been steadily improving with every release, too. 
>>>> In Mavericks, you’d hear a series of beeps to indicate where you were in 
>>>> the login process. Yosemite added actual speech feedback on supported 
>>>> machines. Now, I don’t even have to press Cmd-F5 to turn VoiceOver on. The 
>>>> preference is saved. For me, I can’t imagine not having FileVault on. It’s 
>>>> transparent, and I know if I ever lost my computer my data would be safer.
>>>> 
>>>> That said, I am not sure how this works on newer Macs lacking function 
>>>> keys. I know you can hold down Cmd and triple-tap the power button to 
>>>> toggle VoiceOver, but I don’t remember if this works in the FileVault 
>>>> login window.
>>>> 
>>>> Grant Hardy
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
>>>>> everything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users 
>>>>> and accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over 
>>>>> is turned on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password 
>>>>> option rather than a list of users if you are the only person using your 
>>>>> machine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not at all technical but remembered what I needed to do from the 
>>>>> last time I set up File Vault.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> 
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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

I did. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Donna,
>  
> If file volt is activated, why not go in and disable it?
>  
> It’s easy enough to turn off
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 1:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>  
> Donna,
>  
> How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during 
> the file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the 
> details. I wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID 
> credentials or what exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. 
> It would be curious to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my 
> local Keychain gets unlocked.
>  
> One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
> seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt 
> if you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the 
> File Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your 
> system seemed to be completely quiet.
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Did.  Didn't work.
> Donna
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>  
> Hi John,
>  
> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
> it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
> power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
> anything here.
>  
> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
> In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
> characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  
> And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, 
> but would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second 
> time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, 
> but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
> the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type 
> your password and hit enter.
>  
> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold 
> the power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
> shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
> key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
> too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi, all,
> 
> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
> new MBPs.
> 
> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
> Apparently FileVault was activated.
> 
> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
> username, and g

RE: File Vault Nightmare

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Just a thought after what John suggested,

Have you tried your apple id as your username?

I’ve struck it a couple of times at work where the user has entered their apple 
id as their username rather than setting up an actual user account

Just a thought.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 3:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Hi, John,

You may be right.  I was taken aback when FileVault didn't except my login 
credentials, and it kind of weirded me out when I got no feedback when entering 
my username.  That made me wonder if my username had been entered at all, so I 
may well have paused to try and figure out what was going on.

Perhaps I'll give it another go, but I'll turn the screen brightness up first, 
so that if I do get locked out again, my husband can at least see the screen. 
lol
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 1, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
<jon.c.c...@gmail.com<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Donna,

How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during the 
file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the details. I 
wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID credentials or what 
exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. It would be curious 
to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my local Keychain gets 
unlocked.

One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt if 
you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the File 
Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your system 
seemed to be completely quiet.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Did.  Didn't work.
Donna
On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Hi John,

Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
anything here.

Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  And 
it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, but 
would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second time, 
and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, but am 
now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese 
<jpanar...@gmail.com<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type your 
password and hit enter.

As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold the 
power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi, all,

So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
new MBPs.

This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it to 
shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
Apparently FileVault was activated.

I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I got 
the error that my logi

RE: File Vault Nightmare

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Donna,

If file volt is activated, why not go in and disable it?

It’s easy enough to turn off


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Monday, 2 October 2017 1:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Donna,

How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during the 
file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the details. I 
wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID credentials or what 
exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. It would be curious 
to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my local Keychain gets 
unlocked.

One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt if 
you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the File 
Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your system 
seemed to be completely quiet.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Did.  Didn't work.
Donna
On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Hi John,

Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
anything here.

Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  And 
it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, but 
would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second time, 
and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, but am 
now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese 
<jpanar...@gmail.com<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type your 
password and hit enter.

As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold the 
power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi, all,

So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
new MBPs.

This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it to 
shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
Apparently FileVault was activated.

I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I got 
the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same error.

After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.

What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that my 
username had been entered correctly. my husband 

Re: No problem with File Vault

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Donna,

Sorry to hear, that’s very frustrating. Could you try the following?

1. Navigate to System Preferences, Users and Groups.
2. In the “users, groups, and login options” list, navigate to “login options”.
3. Make sure the "Use VoiceOver in the login window” checkbox is checked.
 If it’s unchecked and dimmed, activate the “click the lock to make changes” 
button, and enter your password. Then try again.
4. Reboot the computer and test again.

Does this help at all Donna?

Thanks,

Grant


On Sunday, Oct 1, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

OK, for all of you who are saying everything is dandy, I could not turn VO on.
Cheers,
Donna
On Oct 1, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Just for the record, toggling VO on Touch Bar Macs does work. File Vault makes 
me sign in, and I can turn VO on in the usual way if it isn't on already. It's 
very slow and loud, but I imagine that's not specific to this model of Mac.

--
Alex Hall




On Oct 1, 2017, at 17:01, Grant Hardy 
<grantha...@outlook.com<mailto:grantha...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’ve used FileVault ever since getting my First MacBook in 2014 and can’t say 
that I’ve ever had any major issues with it. The accessibility from a VoiceOver 
perspective has been steadily improving with every release, too. In Mavericks, 
you’d hear a series of beeps to indicate where you were in the login process. 
Yosemite added actual speech feedback on supported machines. Now, I don’t even 
have to press Cmd-F5 to turn VoiceOver on. The preference is saved. For me, I 
can’t imagine not having FileVault on. It’s transparent, and I know if I ever 
lost my computer my data would be safer.

That said, I am not sure how this works on newer Macs lacking function keys. I 
know you can hold down Cmd and triple-tap the power button to toggle VoiceOver, 
but I don’t remember if this works in the FileVault login window.

Grant Hardy

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
<kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hi.

I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
everything.

Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users and 
accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over is turned 
on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password option rather than a 
list of users if you are the only person using your machine.

I am not at all technical but remembered what I needed to do from the last time 
I set up File Vault.

Kawal.

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Re: No problem with File Vault

[Donna Goodin]

OK, for all of you who are saying everything is dandy, I could not turn VO on.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Just for the record, toggling VO on Touch Bar Macs does work. File Vault 
> makes me sign in, and I can turn VO on in the usual way if it isn't on 
> already. It's very slow and loud, but I imagine that's not specific to this 
> model of Mac.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 17:01, Grant Hardy <grantha...@outlook.com 
>> <mailto:grantha...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve used FileVault ever since getting my First MacBook in 2014 and can’t 
>> say that I’ve ever had any major issues with it. The accessibility from a 
>> VoiceOver perspective has been steadily improving with every release, too. 
>> In Mavericks, you’d hear a series of beeps to indicate where you were in the 
>> login process. Yosemite added actual speech feedback on supported machines. 
>> Now, I don’t even have to press Cmd-F5 to turn VoiceOver on. The preference 
>> is saved. For me, I can’t imagine not having FileVault on. It’s transparent, 
>> and I know if I ever lost my computer my data would be safer.
>> 
>> That said, I am not sure how this works on newer Macs lacking function keys. 
>> I know you can hold down Cmd and triple-tap the power button to toggle 
>> VoiceOver, but I don’t remember if this works in the FileVault login window.
>> 
>> Grant Hardy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
>>> everything.
>>> 
>>> Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users 
>>> and accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over is 
>>> turned on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password option 
>>> rather than a list of users if you are the only person using your machine.
>>> 
>>> I am not at all technical but remembered what I needed to do from the last 
>>> time I set up File Vault.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: No problem with File Vault

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Alex,

I find the FileVault speech volume is usually the same as my system volume, so 
if it is set low when I reboot the Mac, then the speech feedback I hear sounds 
quiet.

Thanks,

Grant


On Oct 1, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Just for the record, toggling VO on Touch Bar Macs does work. File Vault makes 
me sign in, and I can turn VO on in the usual way if it isn't on already. It's 
very slow and loud, but I imagine that's not specific to this model of Mac.

--
Alex Hall




On Oct 1, 2017, at 17:01, Grant Hardy 
<grantha...@outlook.com<mailto:grantha...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’ve used FileVault ever since getting my First MacBook in 2014 and can’t say 
that I’ve ever had any major issues with it. The accessibility from a VoiceOver 
perspective has been steadily improving with every release, too. In Mavericks, 
you’d hear a series of beeps to indicate where you were in the login process. 
Yosemite added actual speech feedback on supported machines. Now, I don’t even 
have to press Cmd-F5 to turn VoiceOver on. The preference is saved. For me, I 
can’t imagine not having FileVault on. It’s transparent, and I know if I ever 
lost my computer my data would be safer.

That said, I am not sure how this works on newer Macs lacking function keys. I 
know you can hold down Cmd and triple-tap the power button to toggle VoiceOver, 
but I don’t remember if this works in the FileVault login window.

Grant Hardy

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
<kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hi.

I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
everything.

Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users and 
accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over is turned 
on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password option rather than a 
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Re: No problem with File Vault

[Alex Hall]

Just for the record, toggling VO on Touch Bar Macs does work. File Vault makes 
me sign in, and I can turn VO on in the usual way if it isn't on already. It's 
very slow and loud, but I imagine that's not specific to this model of Mac.

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> On Oct 1, 2017, at 17:01, Grant Hardy <grantha...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve used FileVault ever since getting my First MacBook in 2014 and can’t say 
> that I’ve ever had any major issues with it. The accessibility from a 
> VoiceOver perspective has been steadily improving with every release, too. In 
> Mavericks, you’d hear a series of beeps to indicate where you were in the 
> login process. Yosemite added actual speech feedback on supported machines. 
> Now, I don’t even have to press Cmd-F5 to turn VoiceOver on. The preference 
> is saved. For me, I can’t imagine not having FileVault on. It’s transparent, 
> and I know if I ever lost my computer my data would be safer.
> 
> That said, I am not sure how this works on newer Macs lacking function keys. 
> I know you can hold down Cmd and triple-tap the power button to toggle 
> VoiceOver, but I don’t remember if this works in the FileVault login window.
> 
> Grant Hardy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
>> everything.
>> 
>> Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users 
>> and accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over is 
>> turned on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password option 
>> rather than a list of users if you are the only person using your machine.
>> 
>> I am not at all technical but remembered what I needed to do from the last 
>> time I set up File Vault.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: No problem with File Vault

[Grant Hardy]

I’ve used FileVault ever since getting my First MacBook in 2014 and can’t say 
that I’ve ever had any major issues with it. The accessibility from a VoiceOver 
perspective has been steadily improving with every release, too. In Mavericks, 
you’d hear a series of beeps to indicate where you were in the login process. 
Yosemite added actual speech feedback on supported machines. Now, I don’t even 
have to press Cmd-F5 to turn VoiceOver on. The preference is saved. For me, I 
can’t imagine not having FileVault on. It’s transparent, and I know if I ever 
lost my computer my data would be safer.

That said, I am not sure how this works on newer Macs lacking function keys. I 
know you can hold down Cmd and triple-tap the power button to toggle VoiceOver, 
but I don’t remember if this works in the FileVault login window.

Grant Hardy

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
<kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hi.

I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
everything.

Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users and 
accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over is turned 
on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password option rather than a 
list of users if you are the only person using your machine.

I am not at all technical but remembered what I needed to do from the last time 
I set up File Vault.

Kawal.

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No problem with File Vault

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I have tested File Vault on my Mac Mini as I set it up once I installed 
everything.

Just in case you haven't done so Donna, go in to system preferences users and 
accounts and find log in options where you can make sure voice over is turned 
on at the log in screen.  Also set your name and password option rather than a 
list of users if you are the only person using your machine.

I am not at all technical but remembered what I needed to do from the last time 
I set up File Vault.

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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, John,

You may be right.  I was taken aback when FileVault didn't except my login 
credentials, and it kind of weirded me out when I got no feedback when entering 
my username.  That made me wonder if my username had been entered at all, so I 
may well have paused to try and figure out what was going on.

Perhaps I'll give it another go, but I'll turn the screen brightness up first, 
so that if I do get locked out again, my husband can at least see the screen. 
lol
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during 
> the file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the 
> details. I wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID 
> credentials or what exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. 
> It would be curious to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my 
> local Keychain gets unlocked.
> 
> One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
> seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt 
> if you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the 
> File Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your 
> system seemed to be completely quiet.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Did.  Didn't work.
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>>>  
>>> Hi John,
>>>  
>>> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten 
>>> about it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding 
>>> down the power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to 
>>> accomplish anything here.
>>>  
>>> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are 
>>> typing?  In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that 
>>> indicate that characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the 
>>> username field.  And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab 
>>> to go to password, but would be prompted again for username.  I would type 
>>> my username a second time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd 
>>> like to use FileVault, but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback 
>>> for the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, 
>>> type your password and hit enter.
>>>  
>>> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold 
>>> the power button for a second and you should get the authentication window 
>>> to shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press 
>>> the FN key with the control-option-command and power button, that should 
>>> turn it off too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>

Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Jonathan Cohn]

NO, it would not be worth re-installing the OS. It is fairly easy to turn off 
File Vault, but by default when getting a new Macintosh with any of the latest 
3 OS's one of the set up prompts is for File Vault and it is on by default.

Fairly easy to skip past when all excited about getting a faster machine.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 29, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Interesting,
> Yes within sierra you have to manually enable file volt,
> I've got it running on my MBA but that I had to do myself.
> 
> 
> Would it be worth while reimaging the machine back to a clean setup and then 
> trying again?
> 
> And yeah File Volt I've found can be odd when entering password / user 
> details.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 11:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
> 
> Hi, Simon,
> 
> I'm running Sierra.
> 
> the whole thing was just strange.  I'm starting to wonder if I'm having 
> problems with my keyboard.  I kept getting the message user ID or password 
> incorrect, and I know I was typing them correctly.  Eventually, Voiceover 
> went away, and I couldn't bring it back.  The whole thing was kind of 
> unnerving.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Which OS version are you using on the MBP?
>> 
>> I use it on my MBA mid 2013.
>> 
>> I have to start VO up at log in as it doesn't speak by default any 
>> more, It talks at this point in a very basic vo voice..
>> 
>> I get the username field and enter my username and hit enter this 
>> gives me the password prompt which I put in and then hit enter, And 
>> things log in,
>> 
>> And after a couple of seconds I et the full desktop and the full VO system 
>> working and talking as required.
>> 
>> As for brightness,
>> I'm not sure but I can't change the volume on the log in screen I believe 
>> due to things not having loaded at that point.
>> 
>> The reason I ask which OS version is because you have to enable or 
>> request file volt to be setup on your harddrive It's not something 
>> that normally starts it's installation by itself
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 2:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: File Vault Nightmare
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on 
>> the new MBPs.
>> 
>> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
>> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
>> Apparently FileVault was activated.
>> 
>> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
>> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
>> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
>> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able 
>> to successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
>> error.
>> 
>> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
>> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found 
>> myself without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I 
>> could get sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of 
>> reading glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out 
>> of my problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.
>> 
>> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
>> ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that 
>> my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there 
>> were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I 
>> never saw any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I 
>> could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn 
>> VO on or off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out 
>> of my MBP permanently.  I

Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,

How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during the 
file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the details. I 
wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID credentials or what 
exactly happens when you use the recover password fields. It would be curious 
to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see if my local Keychain gets 
unlocked.

One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt if 
you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the File 
Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your system 
seemed to be completely quiet.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Did.  Didn't work.
> Donna
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>>  
>> Hi John,
>>  
>> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten 
>> about it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding 
>> down the power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to 
>> accomplish anything here.
>>  
>> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing? 
>>  In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
>> characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  
>> And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, 
>> but would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second 
>> time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, 
>> but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
>> the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type 
>> your password and hit enter.
>>  
>> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold 
>> the power button for a second and you should get the authentication window 
>> to shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press 
>> the FN key with the control-option-command and power button, that should 
>> turn it off too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on 
>> the new MBPs.
>> 
>> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
>> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
>> Apparently FileVault was activated.
>> 
>> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
>> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
>> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
>> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able 
>> to successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
>> error.
>> 
>> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
>> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found 
>>

Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

Did.  Didn't work.
Donna
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
>  
> Hi John,
>  
> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
> it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
> power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
> anything here.
>  
> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
> In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
> characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  
> And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, 
> but would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second 
> time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, 
> but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
> the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type 
> your password and hit enter.
>  
> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold 
> the power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
> shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
> key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
> too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi, all,
> 
> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
> new MBPs.
> 
> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
> Apparently FileVault was activated.
> 
> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
> successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
> error.
> 
> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
> without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
> sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
> glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
> problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.
> 
> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
> ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that 
> my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there 
> were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I 
> never saw any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I 
> could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn 
> VO on or off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out 
> of my MBP permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!
> 
> So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log 
> in?
> TIA,
> Donna
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RE: File Vault Nightmare

[Simon Fogarty]

Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Hi John,

Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
anything here.

Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  And 
it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, but 
would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second time, 
and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, but am 
now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese 
<jpanar...@gmail.com<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type your 
password and hit enter.

As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold the 
power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi, all,

So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
new MBPs.

This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it to 
shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
Apparently FileVault was activated.

I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I got 
the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same error.

After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.

What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that my 
username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there were 
options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I never saw 
any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I could not 
brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn VO on or 
off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out of my MBP 
permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!

So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log in?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: File Vault Nightmare

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Interesting,
Yes within sierra you have to manually enable file volt,
I've got it running on my MBA but that I had to do myself.


Would it be worth while reimaging the machine back to a clean setup and then 
trying again?

And yeah File Volt I've found can be odd when entering password / user details.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare

Hi, Simon,

I'm running Sierra.

the whole thing was just strange.  I'm starting to wonder if I'm having 
problems with my keyboard.  I kept getting the message user ID or password 
incorrect, and I know I was typing them correctly.  Eventually, Voiceover went 
away, and I couldn't bring it back.  The whole thing was kind of unnerving.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Which OS version are you using on the MBP?
> 
> I use it on my MBA mid 2013.
> 
> I have to start VO up at log in as it doesn't speak by default any 
> more, It talks at this point in a very basic vo voice..
> 
> I get the username field and enter my username and hit enter this 
> gives me the password prompt which I put in and then hit enter, And 
> things log in,
> 
> And after a couple of seconds I et the full desktop and the full VO system 
> working and talking as required.
> 
> As for brightness,
> I'm not sure but I can't change the volume on the log in screen I believe due 
> to things not having loaded at that point.
> 
> The reason I ask which OS version is because you have to enable or 
> request file volt to be setup on your harddrive It's not something 
> that normally starts it's installation by itself
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Simon F
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: File Vault Nightmare
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
> new MBPs.
> 
> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
> Apparently FileVault was activated.
> 
> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
> successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
> error.
> 
> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
> without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
> sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
> glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
> problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.
> 
> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
> ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that 
> my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there 
> were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I 
> never saw any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I 
> could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn 
> VO on or off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out 
> of my MBP permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!
> 
> So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log 
> in?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

Hi John,

Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten about 
it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding down the 
power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to accomplish 
anything here.

Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are typing?  
In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that indicate that 
characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the username field.  And 
it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab to go to password, but 
would be prompted again for username.  I would type my username a second time, 
and then I could go to the password field.  I'd like to use FileVault, but am 
now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
> the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type 
> your password and hit enter.
> 
> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold 
> the power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
> shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
> key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
> too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on 
>> the new MBPs.
>> 
>> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
>> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
>> Apparently FileVault was activated.
>> 
>> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
>> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
>> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
>> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able 
>> to successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
>> error.
>> 
>> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
>> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found 
>> myself without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I 
>> could get sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of 
>> reading glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out 
>> of my problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.
>> 
>> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
>> ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that 
>> my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there 
>> were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I 
>> never saw any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I 
>> could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn 
>> VO on or off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out 
>> of my MBP permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!
>> 
>> So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log 
>> in?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Simon,

I'm running Sierra.

the whole thing was just strange.  I'm starting to wonder if I'm having 
problems with my keyboard.  I kept getting the message user ID or password 
incorrect, and I know I was typing them correctly.  Eventually, Voiceover went 
away, and I couldn't bring it back.  The whole thing was kind of unnerving.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Which OS version are you using on the MBP?
> 
> I use it on my MBA mid 2013.
> 
> I have to start VO up at log in as it doesn't speak by default any more,
> It talks at this point in a very basic vo voice..
> 
> I get the username field and enter my username and hit enter this gives me 
> the password prompt which I put in and then hit enter,
> And things log in,
> 
> And after a couple of seconds I et the full desktop and the full VO system 
> working and talking as required.
> 
> As for brightness,
> I'm not sure but I can't change the volume on the log in screen I believe due 
> to things not having loaded at that point.
> 
> The reason I ask which OS version is because you have to enable or request 
> file volt to be setup on your harddrive 
> It's not something that normally starts it's installation by itself
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Simon F
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: File Vault Nightmare
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
> new MBPs.
> 
> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
> Apparently FileVault was activated.
> 
> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
> successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
> error.
> 
> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
> without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
> sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
> glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
> problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.
> 
> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
> ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that 
> my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there 
> were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I 
> never saw any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I 
> could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn 
> VO on or off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out 
> of my MBP permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!
> 
> So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log 
> in?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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RE: File Vault Nightmare

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Which OS version are you using on the MBP?

I use it on my MBA mid 2013.

I have to start VO up at log in as it doesn't speak by default any more,
 It talks at this point in a very basic vo voice..

I get the username field and enter my username and hit enter this gives me the 
password prompt which I put in and then hit enter,
And things log in,

And after a couple of seconds I et the full desktop and the full VO system 
working and talking as required.

As for brightness,
 I'm not sure but I can't change the volume on the log in screen I believe due 
to things not having loaded at that point.

The reason I ask which OS version is because you have to enable or request file 
volt to be setup on your harddrive 
It's not something that normally starts it's installation by itself

Hope this helps.


Simon F


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 2:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: File Vault Nightmare

Hi, all,

So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
new MBPs.

This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it to 
shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
Apparently FileVault was activated.

I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I got 
the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same error.

After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.

What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that my 
username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there were 
options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I never saw 
any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I could not 
brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn VO on or 
off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out of my MBP 
permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!

So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log in?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[John Panarese]

  Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback for 
the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, type your 
password and hit enter.

As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can hold the 
power button for a second and you should get the authentication window to 
shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you press the FN 
key with the control-option-command and power button, that should turn it off 
too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
> new MBPs.
> 
> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it 
> to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
> Apparently FileVault was activated.
> 
> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
> much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I 
> got the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
> successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same 
> error.
> 
> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
> dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
> without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
> sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
> glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
> problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.
> 
> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
> ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that 
> my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there 
> were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I 
> never saw any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I 
> could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn 
> VO on or off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out 
> of my MBP permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!
> 
> So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log 
> in?
> TIA,
> Donna
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File Vault Nightmare

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, all,

So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on the 
new MBPs.

This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get it to 
shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart it.  
Apparently FileVault was activated.

I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been entered, 
much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my password.  I got 
the error that my login was incorrect.  I know my password, I was able to 
successfully enter it on my old MBA.  But repeated tries yielded the same error.

After a few tries, I lost VO altogether.  Unfortunately, I keep the screen 
dimmed, to save battery power.  So at  one point in this saga, I found myself 
without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I could get 
sighted assistance.  Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of reading 
glasses, so he could read what was on the screen.  The only way out of my 
problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault.

What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack of 
ability to navigate the screen.  For example, I had no way to determine that my 
username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw that there were 
options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and so on,  I never saw 
any of that.  Also, I was completely unable to adjust output.  I could not 
brighten the screen, so my husband could see it.  I could not turn VO on or 
off.  I was really wondering at one point whether I was locked out of my MBP 
permanently.  I don't ever want to go through this again!

So I know that some of you actually like FileVault.  How the  do you log in?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: File vault

[Scott Granados]

+1, I have no problem with file vault either.  It’s very easy to use, I don’t 
even have to hit command F5 any more it remembers to boot with a voice prompt.  
I’m using a newer MacBook though.

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I use File Volt all the time and have no problem.
> 
> I just turn on the computer as normal.  After a minute, I press command f 5 
> and I am either asked for my password by voice over if I'm using my 2014 Mac 
> Mini or listen to the bleeps on my I Mac late 2012.  If I hear three bleeps 
> after typing in my password, it's all fine and Voice Over will start.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Apr 2017, at 19:57, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Like me, some users, not all, but some experiences problems loging in after 
>> activating file vault. Next time try command + r after shutting down the mac 
>> and hit start button again. F5 to start voice over after a while. You are in 
>> disk utility.
>> 
>> Vo - m to open the menu, apple, down to «start disk», open,  vo-command+home 
>> to shut down the disk utility window. You are now in startdisk window. Hit 
>> the button «open disk», an password field shall appear, type in the 
>> password, hit enter. An error message may appear stating that it can not 
>> open the disk. Hit cancel. Then hit  the start again button anyway. After a 
>> while after start up, try typing the password to log into OSX. Don’t 
>> remember the bip tone thing.
>> 
>> It seems like file vault is stopping the user to log in sometimes the first 
>> time after activating file vault in OSX.
>> 
>> Take care
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Re: File vault

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I use File Volt all the time and have no problem.

I just turn on the computer as normal.  After a minute, I press command f 5 and 
I am either asked for my password by voice over if I'm using my 2014 Mac Mini 
or listen to the bleeps on my I Mac late 2012.  If I hear three bleeps after 
typing in my password, it's all fine and Voice Over will start.

Kawal.
> On 13 Apr 2017, at 19:57, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Like me, some users, not all, but some experiences problems loging in after 
> activating file vault. Next time try command + r after shutting down the mac 
> and hit start button again. F5 to start voice over after a while. You are in 
> disk utility.
> 
> Vo - m to open the menu, apple, down to «start disk», open,  vo-command+home 
> to shut down the disk utility window. You are now in startdisk window. Hit 
> the button «open disk», an password field shall appear, type in the password, 
> hit enter. An error message may appear stating that it can not open the disk. 
> Hit cancel. Then hit  the start again button anyway. After a while after 
> start up, try typing the password to log into OSX. Don’t remember the bip 
> tone thing.
> 
> It seems like file vault is stopping the user to log in sometimes the first 
> time after activating file vault in OSX.
> 
> Take care
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File vault

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi,

Like me, some users, not all, but some experiences problems loging in after 
activating file vault. Next time try command + r after shutting down the mac 
and hit start button again. F5 to start voice over after a while. You are in 
disk utility.

Vo - m to open the menu, apple, down to «start disk», open,  vo-command+home to 
shut down the disk utility window. You are now in startdisk window. Hit the 
button «open disk», an password field shall appear, type in the password, hit 
enter. An error message may appear stating that it can not open the disk. Hit 
cancel. Then hit  the start again button anyway. After a while after start up, 
try typing the password to log into OSX. Don’t remember the bip tone thing.

It seems like file vault is stopping the user to log in sometimes the first 
time after activating file vault in OSX.

Take care

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Re: File vault in elcapitan refuses to disable.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Jessica.  If you only just disabled FileVault then it’s probably still 
decrypting, and you won’t be fully disabled until that’s done.  Check in System 
Preferences, Security and Privacy, FileVault what the status is.  If the button 
to turn it on is not there, try again after it appears.  You should get a 
progress indication for the decryption process.

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Re: File vault in elcapitan refuses to disable.

[Jessica Moss]

I managed to find it, and thought I got it fixed; told it to turn file vault 
off, but after I restarted the computer, it defaulted back to file vault being 
on again.  Am I missing something here?
  Maybe it’s for the best that I leave it turned on?  Not sure what to do here 
exactly.
> On Mar 8, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This would be set in the security area of system settings. It is called file 
> vault.
> 
> On 8 March 2016 at 09:53, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanx so much, got it up and running, how do I disable it completely so I 
> don't have to keep doing this?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jawswiz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> This is Taken directly from the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide:
>> Log in to an encrypted account without VoiceOver
>> 
>> If you turn on FileVault, you must log in to your account whenever your Mac 
>> is restarted or wakes from sleep. VoiceOver isn’t available in the FileVault 
>> login window. Depending on your computer, a series of beeps or OS X speech 
>> services indicate where the cursor is positioned in the login window.
>> 
>> After your Mac awakes or starts, determine if the FileVault login window is 
>> displayed by pressing Command-F5.
>> 
>> If you hear a single beep, the cursor is positioned in the Name field and 
>> you can begin logging in. Continue to step 2.
>> 
>> If you don’t hear a single beep, the FileVault login window might not be 
>> displayed yet. Wait a minute, then press Command-F5 again. If you still 
>> don’t hear a beep, there may be a problem with encryption. Turn off your 
>> Mac, then turn it on again. An unencrypted login process will begin during 
>> which VoiceOver is available.
>> 
>> Type your account name, then press Return.
>> 
>> If you hear a double beep, you entered a valid account name. Continue to 
>> step 3.
>> 
>> If you hear a single beep, you entered an invalid account name and the 
>> cursor remains in the Name field. Keep entering your account name until you 
>> hear a double beep.
>> 
>> Type your account password, then press Return.
>> 
>> If you hear three beeps, you entered a valid password and login proceeds.
>> 
>> If you hear a double beep, you entered an invalid password and the cursor 
>> remains in the Password field. Keep entering your password until you hear 
>> three beeps.
>> 
>> 
>> Source:
>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.11/#/vo36047 
>> <http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.11/#/vo36047>
>> 
>> I hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded last Thursday and everything was working fine until I shut 
>>> the computer down for the night.
>>>  Now whenever I start it back it either beeps at me when I try to figure 
>>> out what it's doing because it won't talk, or it goes into password 
>>> recovery mode and no matter what I do it refuses to log me in.  Has anyone 
>>> ever run into this?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: File vault in elcapitan refuses to disable.

[Jonathan Cohn]

This would be set in the security area of system settings. It is called
file vault.

On 8 March 2016 at 09:53, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanx so much, got it up and running, how do I disable it completely so I
> don't have to keep doing this?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is Taken directly from the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide:
> Log in to an encrypted account without VoiceOver
>
> If you turn on FileVault, you must log in to your account whenever your
> Mac is restarted or wakes from sleep. VoiceOver isn’t available in the
> FileVault login window. Depending on your computer, a series of beeps or OS
> X speech services indicate where the cursor is positioned in the login
> window.
>
>1.
>
>After your Mac awakes or starts, determine if the FileVault login
>window is displayed by pressing Command-F5.
>
>If you hear a single beep, the cursor is positioned in the Name field
>and you can begin logging in. Continue to step 2.
>
>If you don’t hear a single beep, the FileVault login window might not
>be displayed yet. Wait a minute, then press Command-F5 again. If you still
>don’t hear a beep, there may be a problem with encryption. Turn off your
>Mac, then turn it on again. An unencrypted login process will begin during
>which VoiceOver is available.
>2.
>
>Type your account name, then press Return.
>
>If you hear a double beep, you entered a valid account name. Continue
>to step 3.
>
>If you hear a single beep, you entered an invalid account name and the
>cursor remains in the Name field. Keep entering your account name until you
>hear a double beep.
>3.
>
>Type your account password, then press Return.
>
>If you hear three beeps, you entered a valid password and login
>proceeds.
>
>If you hear a double beep, you entered an invalid password and the
>cursor remains in the Password field. Keep entering your password until you
>hear three beeps.
>
> Source:
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.11/#/vo36047
>
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>
> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I just upgraded last Thursday and everything was working fine until I shut
> the computer down for the night.
>  Now whenever I start it back it either beeps at me when I try to figure
> out what it's doing because it won't talk, or it goes into password
> recovery mode and no matter what I do it refuses to log me in.  Has anyone
> ever run into this?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: File vault in elcapitan refuses to disable.

[Jessica Moss]

Thanx so much, got it up and running, how do I disable it completely so I don't 
have to keep doing this?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> This is Taken directly from the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide:
> Log in to an encrypted account without VoiceOver
> 
> If you turn on FileVault, you must log in to your account whenever your Mac 
> is restarted or wakes from sleep. VoiceOver isn’t available in the FileVault 
> login window. Depending on your computer, a series of beeps or OS X speech 
> services indicate where the cursor is positioned in the login window.
> 
> After your Mac awakes or starts, determine if the FileVault login window is 
> displayed by pressing Command-F5.
> 
> If you hear a single beep, the cursor is positioned in the Name field and you 
> can begin logging in. Continue to step 2.
> 
> If you don’t hear a single beep, the FileVault login window might not be 
> displayed yet. Wait a minute, then press Command-F5 again. If you still don’t 
> hear a beep, there may be a problem with encryption. Turn off your Mac, then 
> turn it on again. An unencrypted login process will begin during which 
> VoiceOver is available.
> 
> Type your account name, then press Return.
> 
> If you hear a double beep, you entered a valid account name. Continue to step 
> 3.
> 
> If you hear a single beep, you entered an invalid account name and the cursor 
> remains in the Name field. Keep entering your account name until you hear a 
> double beep.
> 
> Type your account password, then press Return.
> 
> If you hear three beeps, you entered a valid password and login proceeds.
> 
> If you hear a double beep, you entered an invalid password and the cursor 
> remains in the Password field. Keep entering your password until you hear 
> three beeps.
> 
> Source:
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.11/#/vo36047
> 
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I just upgraded last Thursday and everything was working fine until I shut 
>> the computer down for the night.
>>  Now whenever I start it back it either beeps at me when I try to figure out 
>> what it's doing because it won't talk, or it goes into password recovery 
>> mode and no matter what I do it refuses to log me in.  Has anyone ever run 
>> into this?
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Re: File vault in elcapitan refuses to disable.

[Jeffrey Shockley]

This is Taken directly from the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide:
Log in to an encrypted account without VoiceOver

If you turn on FileVault, you must log in to your account whenever your Mac is 
restarted or wakes from sleep. VoiceOver isn’t available in the FileVault login 
window. Depending on your computer, a series of beeps or OS X speech services 
indicate where the cursor is positioned in the login window.

After your Mac awakes or starts, determine if the FileVault login window is 
displayed by pressing Command-F5.

If you hear a single beep, the cursor is positioned in the Name field and you 
can begin logging in. Continue to step 2.

If you don’t hear a single beep, the FileVault login window might not be 
displayed yet. Wait a minute, then press Command-F5 again. If you still don’t 
hear a beep, there may be a problem with encryption. Turn off your Mac, then 
turn it on again. An unencrypted login process will begin during which 
VoiceOver is available.

Type your account name, then press Return.

If you hear a double beep, you entered a valid account name. Continue to step 3.

If you hear a single beep, you entered an invalid account name and the cursor 
remains in the Name field. Keep entering your account name until you hear a 
double beep.

Type your account password, then press Return.

If you hear three beeps, you entered a valid password and login proceeds.

If you hear a double beep, you entered an invalid password and the cursor 
remains in the Password field. Keep entering your password until you hear three 
beeps.

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> what it's doing because it won't talk, or it goes into password recovery mode 
> and no matter what I do it refuses to log me in.  Has anyone ever run into 
> this?
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File vault in elcapitan refuses to disable.

[Jessica Moss]

I just upgraded last Thursday and everything was working fine until I shut the 
computer down for the night.
  Now whenever I start it back it either beeps at me when I try to figure out 
what it's doing because it won't talk, or it goes into password recovery mode 
and no matter what I do it refuses to log me in.  Has anyone ever run into this?

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Re: File Vault Encryption ICloud Disk Locking?

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   You don’t have to use either one. They are just options. FileVault encrypts 
the disk for security and the option for iCloud enables iCloud users to be able 
to use their Apple ID passwords to log into their Mac if they forget their 
account passwords.  However, both features are optional.


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 On Aug 16, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 In the set-up process of os on my Mac Book Pro, i am being asked if I want to 
 allow File Vault to encrypt my disk, and second if I want to allow ICloud to 
 Unlock my disk and reset my password.  The default is that they are both 
 checked.  I am not an ICloud user at this point and don’t have confidence in 
 using the cloud for my personal/private information.
  
 Question -- how safe  accessible are both of these options if I set both of 
 them in motion?
  
 Thanks.
  
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File Vault Encryption ICloud Disk Locking?

[Eileen Scrivani]

In the set-up process of os on my Mac Book Pro, i am being asked if I want to 
allow File Vault to encrypt my disk, and second if I want to allow ICloud to 
Unlock my disk and reset my password.  The default is that they are both 
checked.  I am not an ICloud user at this point and don’t have confidence in 
using the cloud for my personal/private information.

Question -- how safe  accessible are both of these options if I set both of 
them in motion? 

Thanks.

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Re: File Vault Encryption ICloud Disk Locking?

[Marshall Scott]

Hi again Ilene,
I'd recommend that you don't use these features until you are more familiar 
with OS X.  They would only confuse you and in the case of Filevault, could 
cause you to lose data.
Marshall

 On Aug 16, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 In the set-up process of os on my Mac Book Pro, i am being asked if I want to 
 allow File Vault to encrypt my disk, and second if I want to allow ICloud to 
 Unlock my disk and reset my password.  The default is that they are both 
 checked.  I am not an ICloud user at this point and don’t have confidence in 
 using the cloud for my personal/private information.
  
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 Thanks.
  
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Re: File Vault

[Shaf]

Yep. Usually happens when you have an external drive plugged in. Was 
this the case?


On 6/6/2015 3:35 AM, Nicholas Parsons wrote:

I recently had this issue. No idea why, but for some reason I was forced to 
reset my Firevolt password. The process was mostly accessible. I was confused 
initially, because the login process wasn’t working as usual. But it seemed to 
force me into some kind of recovery mode type thing, where a compact version of 
VoiceOver was available. It was then just a matter of following dialog prompts 
to reset the password.



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Re: File Vault

[Chris Meredith]

It's been my experience that, if you fail to unlock FileVault and then
restart the machine, you'll fall into the recovery partition (or something
similar to this).  If that happens, a Command+F5 should get you into a
running copy of VoiceOver without a problem.


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 So Apple Accessibility have been pretty useless at giving me a good
 resolution or response.
 I have File Vault enabled, and I have my iCloud account enabled to reset
 my password rather than using a recovery key.
 If I forget my password, is there an accessible way to sign into iCloud
 and have it reset my password? From what I know VoiceOver is not fully
 functional at the File Vault login prompt.


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Re: File Vault

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I recently had this issue. No idea why, but for some reason I was forced to 
reset my Firevolt password. The process was mostly accessible. I was confused 
initially, because the login process wasn’t working as usual. But it seemed to 
force me into some kind of recovery mode type thing, where a compact version of 
VoiceOver was available. It was then just a matter of following dialog prompts 
to reset the password.

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Re: File Vault

[John Panarese]

  I see that. It used to be 3 failures, but it now just keeps prompting you for 
the password. 


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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Nope.
 
 On 6/3/2015 7:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:
   I think you might get the prompt for your Apple ID password if you fail 
 with your password the first three times. I’ll need to check this, but I 
 vaguely recall that being the case.
 
 
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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Right, that's what I'm getting at. But how can you use your Apple ID 
 accessibly to recover your key if you selected that option?
 
 On 6/3/2015 6:39 PM, John Panarese wrote:
I think this has changed. I believe with Yosemite, you can use your 
 Apple ID and password as an alternative method if you forget your initial 
 password, but this must be chosen when you are turning on FileVault. At 
 least, this was the selection I sued when I turned it on my Mac Book Pro.
 
 
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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must 
 have a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support 
 article:
 https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB
 
 You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get 
 the recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System 
 Preferences, since it’s possible to do without if setting up from the 
 CLI).
 
 I do hope you haven’t lost either.  Try every password you think you may 
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Re: File Vault

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You need either a recovery key or a passphrase. You can’t reset your passphrase 
using iCloud with the intention of then using that passphrase to unlock your 
FileVault protected disk. It’s not an online process.

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Re: File Vault

[Shaf]

Yes it is. You can use your iCloud account to unlock your encrypted 
disk. See File Vault instructions on either Apple's website or while 
setting it up under Yosemite.


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You need either a recovery key or a passphrase. You can’t reset your passphrase 
using iCloud with the intention of then using that passphrase to unlock your 
FileVault protected disk. It’s not an online process.



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Re: File Vault

[Shaf]

Right, that's what I'm getting at. But how can you use your Apple ID 
accessibly to recover your key if you selected that option?


On 6/3/2015 6:39 PM, John Panarese wrote:

I think this has changed. I believe with Yosemite, you can use your Apple 
ID and password as an alternative method if you forget your initial password, 
but this must be chosen when you are turning on FileVault. At least, this was 
the selection I sued when I turned it on my Mac Book Pro.


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Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must have 
a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support article:
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB

You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get the 
recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System Preferences, since 
it’s possible to do without if setting up from the CLI).

I do hope you haven’t lost either.  Try every password you think you may have 
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Re: File Vault

[John Panarese]

  I think you might get the prompt for your Apple ID password if you fail with 
your password the first three times. I’ll need to check this, but I vaguely 
recall that being the case.


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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Right, that's what I'm getting at. But how can you use your Apple ID 
 accessibly to recover your key if you selected that option?
 
 On 6/3/2015 6:39 PM, John Panarese wrote:
I think this has changed. I believe with Yosemite, you can use your Apple 
 ID and password as an alternative method if you forget your initial 
 password, but this must be chosen when you are turning on FileVault. At 
 least, this was the selection I sued when I turned it on my Mac Book Pro.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must 
 have a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support 
 article:
 https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB
 
 You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get the 
 recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System Preferences, 
 since it’s possible to do without if setting up from the CLI).
 
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 have used.
 
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Re: File Vault

[Shaf]

Nope.

On 6/3/2015 7:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:

   I think you might get the prompt for your Apple ID password if you fail with 
your password the first three times. I’ll need to check this, but I vaguely 
recall that being the case.


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On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Right, that's what I'm getting at. But how can you use your Apple ID accessibly 
to recover your key if you selected that option?

On 6/3/2015 6:39 PM, John Panarese wrote:

I think this has changed. I believe with Yosemite, you can use your Apple 
ID and password as an alternative method if you forget your initial password, 
but this must be chosen when you are turning on FileVault. At least, this was 
the selection I sued when I turned it on my Mac Book Pro.


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On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:

Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must have 
a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support article:
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB

You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get the 
recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System Preferences, since 
it’s possible to do without if setting up from the CLI).

I do hope you haven’t lost either.  Try every password you think you may have 
used.

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Re: File Vault

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

If you did say you wanted to use your Apple ID then the recovery key is with 
Apple.  You need the Reset Password Assistant from the recovery HD to get your 
FileVault password synchronised with your iCloud one.

If you just wait at the login prompt for a minute without doing anything, 
you’ll get the forgotten password prompt.  Turn the Mac off and on again, and 
you should be put into the Reset Password assistant.  Try turning VoiceOver on 
now.  Set your new password, and then restart from the Apple menu.  When the 
login prompt comes up again, now use your iCloud password.

If these steps don’t work, you could try booting into Recovery yourself 
(Command-R at the chime).  Then select the Reset Password Utility yourself from 
the menu.

Good luck.

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Re: File Vault

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Well, for the sake of the OP, I sincerely hope you’re both right.  When I next 
get chance I’ll do a new initial setup of FileVault and see how it goes, but 
the last time I tried it was very clear that I’d need either password or key, 
and the only way to change the password was by putting in the key.

As a general rule, and in case it’s not already clear, good modern cryptography 
is dangerously effective.  Don’t forget your keys!  Losing them is, as far as 
anyone knows, practically equivalent to data loss.

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Re: File Vault

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must have 
a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support article:
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB

You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get the 
recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System Preferences, since 
it’s possible to do without if setting up from the CLI).

I do hope you haven’t lost either.  Try every password you think you may have 
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Re: File Vault

[Daniel Miller]

John is right. You can use your iCloud account to unlock your disc.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2015, at 12:39 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I think this has changed. I believe with Yosemite, you can use your Apple 
 ID and password as an alternative method if you forget your initial password, 
 but this must be chosen when you are turning on FileVault. At least, this was 
 the selection I sued when I turned it on my Mac Book Pro.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must 
 have a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support article:
 https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB
 
 You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get the 
 recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System Preferences, since 
 it’s possible to do without if setting up from the CLI).
 
 I do hope you haven’t lost either.  Try every password you think you may 
 have used.
 
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Re: File Vault

[John Panarese]

   I think this has changed. I believe with Yosemite, you can use your Apple ID 
and password as an alternative method if you forget your initial password, but 
this must be chosen when you are turning on FileVault. At least, this was the 
selection I sued when I turned it on my Mac Book Pro.


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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, no.  The recovery key is the intended method to recover.  You must 
 have a copy, or have requested it be stored with Apple.  See support article:
 https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18650?locale=en_GB
 
 You’ll have to recall your password, or get the recovery key.  You get the 
 recovery key during setup (at least, if done using System Preferences, since 
 it’s possible to do without if setting up from the CLI).
 
 I do hope you haven’t lost either.  Try every password you think you may have 
 used.
 
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Re: File Vault

[John Panarese]

I’m not sure how accessible that dialog is at the FileVault login prompt. I 
use FileVault on my laptop, but I haven’t had to go beyond one or two failures. 
 I guess you can try to see what happens, and then just turn the machine off 
with the power button.


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 On Jun 2, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So Apple Accessibility have been pretty useless at giving me a good 
 resolution or response.
 I have File Vault enabled, and I have my iCloud account enabled to reset my 
 password rather than using a recovery key.
 If I forget my password, is there an accessible way to sign into iCloud and 
 have it reset my password? From what I know VoiceOver is not fully functional 
 at the File Vault login prompt.
 
 
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File Vault

[Shaf]

So Apple Accessibility have been pretty useless at giving me a good 
resolution or response.
I have File Vault enabled, and I have my iCloud account enabled to reset 
my password rather than using a recovery key.
If I forget my password, is there an accessible way to sign into iCloud 
and have it reset my password? From what I know VoiceOver is not fully 
functional at the File Vault login prompt.



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Re: File vault encryption? Thoughts? Any VO issues?

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I setup File Volt several months ago. When you first start it going it can take 
a very long time to encrypt the drive depending how mush you have on it. I 
found the Mac very sluggish during this process. After the drive was encrypted 
I don’t notice any problems with the system or VO.
Max.

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 wrote:
 
 Hello all:
 I finally took the plunge and updated to Yosemite. All has gone smoothly, but 
 I am uncertain about file vault encryption.
 As a matter of principle, it sounds great. I just tried to use Spotlight to 
 search through Macvisionaries messages to see if there has been discussion of 
 this already, and only one message came up, and I know there must be others, 
 but I cannot seem to get a handle on the new spotlight; I am not getting a 
 list of relevant items.
 If anyone could share with me, off-list if this has been covered before, 
 whether there are any VO issues, or any convenience issues, anything 
 problematic whatsoever, it would be much appreciated.
 The advantages to using it are obvious; are there any disadvantages?
 Thanks.
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File vault encryption? Thoughts? Any VO issues?

[Christine Grassman]

Hello all:
I finally took the plunge and updated to Yosemite. All has gone smoothly, but I 
am uncertain about file vault encryption.
As a matter of principle, it sounds great. I just tried to use Spotlight to 
search through Macvisionaries messages to see if there has been discussion of 
this already, and only one message came up, and I know there must be others, 
but I cannot seem to get a handle on the new spotlight; I am not getting a list 
of relevant items.
If anyone could share with me, off-list if this has been covered before, 
whether there are any VO issues, or any convenience issues, anything 
problematic whatsoever, it would be much appreciated.
The advantages to using it are obvious; are there any disadvantages?
Thanks.
Christine

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Re: File vault encryption? Thoughts? Any VO issues?

[Grant Hardy]

The only restrictions I am aware of are that you cannot set your Mac to 
automatically log in when rebooting, and the guest user is limited. Guests can 
only access the Safari web browser. Aside from that, FileVault is pretty 
transparent. When the machine begins booting up, it’ll ask you for your 
username; type that in then press ENTER. It will then ask for your password; 
type that in and press ENTER. You will then be logged in and can use your 
machine normally, unless either the username or password is incorrect in which 
case you will be prompted to type it in again. These prompts appear on screen 
and can easily be memorized, but if you want audio prompting, hit CMD+F5 
shortly after hearing the startup chime. Depending on which Mac you have, 
you’ll either hear a series of beeps or audio feedback to guide you through the 
login process. If you set up FileVault while VoiceOver is on, these cues will 
be explained. I turned on FileVault months ago and have never looked back.

Grant


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Hello all:
I finally took the plunge and updated to Yosemite. All has gone smoothly, but I 
am uncertain about file vault encryption.
As a matter of principle, it sounds great. I just tried to use Spotlight to 
search through Macvisionaries messages to see if there has been discussion of 
this already, and only one message came up, and I know there must be others, 
but I cannot seem to get a handle on the new spotlight; I am not getting a list 
of relevant items.
If anyone could share with me, off-list if this has been covered before, 
whether there are any VO issues, or any convenience issues, anything 
problematic whatsoever, it would be much appreciated.
The advantages to using it are obvious; are there any disadvantages?
Thanks.
Christine

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Disk Encryption file vault II

[Richard Ring]

Here's my question. I know what filevault two does, how to set it up, etc. Just 
for fun, I used it for a time.
However, I've noticed that there is a finder shortcut menu item which would 
allow you to encrypt a volume. Is there any difference between using this 
method of encryption than using filevault two?


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File Vault, was Who is Secure? OS X Security

[Ian Robinson]

Hi Kevin,

I've been meaning to setup File Vault for a few weeks now, but keep putting it 
off.

are there any issues during the setup as far as VoiceOver is concerned?

Also, once File Vault is enabled, what happens if you copy a file from your 
documents folder to a pen drive.  Is the file still encrypted or does it 
automatically become unencrypted during the copy process?

Thanks in advance.

Ian


On 16 Apr 2011, at 00:27, Kevin Shaw wrote:

 Hi listers,
 
 Has anyone out there taken steps to lock down their computers, or iOS 
 devices? Is anyone using accessible, third party security software? Has 
 anyone ever had their system compromised? Is anyone using the pass code lock 
 feature on the iPhone?
 
 I ask because I'm taking steps to secure my Macbook Pro and iMac. I've turned 
 on my firewall, turned on File Vault on the iMac and have disabled automatic 
 login. Securing the Macbook Pro is important to me as I travel with it and 
 would hate for it to fall into the wrong hands. I'd encourage anyone out 
 there who has a Mac to seriously consider securing their computers, 
 especially because we, as blind people, rely heavily on these for our lives 
 and livelihoods.
 
 Any input would be appreciated.
 
 Shhh. I was never here. :)
 
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Re: File Vault, was Who is Secure? OS X Security

[Kevin Shaw]

Ian,

I had no issues with turning on File Vault while using Voiceover. Everything is 
straight forward. You must set a master password to unlock the computer and 
decrypt your files if you forget your login password. If you have a large home 
folder, the encryption does take a while. I have about 230 GB in mine. I left 
my iMac on overnight as it did the encryption.

As your files are being encrypted, you cannot use your Mac, so I'd recommend 
turning File Vault on before bed and letting it do its thing. 

Kevin

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Re: File Vault, was Who is Secure? OS X Security

[Ian Robinson]

Thanks Kevin,

Just one other query...

If you copy a file from your Documents folder to a pen drive, does the file 
remain encrypted or automatically get unencrypted?

Cheers.

Ian


On 16 Apr 2011, at 15:36, Kevin Shaw wrote:

 Ian,
 
 I had no issues with turning on File Vault while using Voiceover. Everything 
 is straight forward. You must set a master password to unlock the computer 
 and decrypt your files if you forget your login password. If you have a large 
 home folder, the encryption does take a while. I have about 230 GB in mine. I 
 left my iMac on overnight as it did the encryption.
 
 As your files are being encrypted, you cannot use your Mac, so I'd recommend 
 turning File Vault on before bed and letting it do its thing. 
 
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