Re: Follow up to Moderator Note yesterday concerning donations for one of our own

2013-10-27 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
If the him, in question is me, HOK, we are already friends, and I believe I 
am also friends with almost everyone here. If I am not online, I am away, and 
will get back to you as soon as I can.

The good news, however small, is that Amy did move a very little of both her 
arms and legs today.

Thanks again for everyone who showing their support. It is a long road ahead 
for Amy, she needs all the encouraging she can to get her back to walking and 
driving again.

Sent from my iPhone

Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter


 On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:46 PM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 have him get on Skype. some of us are faster with speech than keyboard 
 skills. Also, its good to hear a voice on the far end of things offering 
 support.
 
 my Skype: technomage-hawke
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
 
 Hello again All,
 
 I just wanted to give you an update on Mark and Amy's story.
 
 Firstly though, please let me offer my sincere and deepest thanks to you all 
 who have shown your support and well-wishes. This not only means a 
 tremendous amount to Mark and Amy, but also means the world to me that we 
 can come together as a community to support each other when we are in need.
 
 Some of you have asked where the donations will go. Any donations will be 
 used for expenses associated with this incident and the medical care from 
 this. Mark has said that he will keep a record of everything associated with 
 this. Already it cost hundreds of dollars for Mark to simply tow Amy's car 
 back home. This cost has now been taken care of for them, fortunately. So 
 thank you all! :)
 
 You all are making a real difference here so I'm truly grateful to you!…
 
 Now, I'd like to share Mark's email address here so that you may send your 
 support to him. If you cannot offer financial support then please do 
 consider offering Amy and him your most valuable emotional support. It is 
 truly welcome…
 
 Below I'll first share Mark's email address and then a copy of the recent 
 article in a local Oregon paper about this incident which also offers an 
 update on Amy's condition. If you would like to know more, please do write 
 directly to Mark if you would?
 
 Now that this is known here, please let me suggest that we now move this to 
 a more personal level off the lists. Feel free to write me or Mark and do be 
 assured that any developments, I will share. Otherwise, I'm happy (and will 
 now encourage us) to continue this off the lists.
 
 Thanks so very, very much to you all for your support! I cannot express 
 enough how much this means to them and to me.
 
 Y'all are AWESOME!!!
 
 Have a wonderful weekend! Info and article follow…
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Cara
 ---
 Email Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com
 
 The Article
 
 The Curry Coastal Pilot - Couple survives hiking ordeal
 
 
 Mark Baxter and his girlfriend Amy Regan with their dogs, who were 
 instrumental in efforts to rescue Amy after a hiking accident. Submitted 
 photo
 Brookings resident Mark Baxter still isn’t sure what to make of what he 
 calls his misadventure along Damnation Creek near Klamath last weekend — an 
 afternoon jaunt that landed his girlfriend, Amy Regan, in ICU in Portland 
 with a broken back and no feeling in her arms and legs.
 “There was a bunch of stupid decisions all down the line,” Baxter said 
 Wednesday of what was supposed to have been an easy afternoon hike. “I got 
 lucky. I got damn lucky.”
 The two didn’t bring a survival kit, and were wearing sweatpants and 
 T-shirts. A friend has since reassured them that their clothing sounded 
 appropriate for a two-hour hike along a popular trail.
 The 3.4-mile trek threads through a redwood forest down 1,000 vertical feet 
 into a rocky, secluded beach. It’s rated “easy,” and the couple are 
 experienced hikers.
 “At first, the trail was great, so we continued,” Baxter said. “By the time 
 it got narrow and steep again, and Amy could see the ocean through the trees 
 ahead, we needed to turn back; it was getting dark.”
 When they did, Regan and her dog, Luke, slipped and fell from the steep 
 embankment. Baxter later learned she likely slipped on rotting timbers left 
 from an old footbridge.
 “I heard her fall, cry out, then a crash, then nothing,” Baxter said. “I 
 called out, ‘Amy! Can you answer me!’ And I heard nothing … for minutes.”
 When he did hear something, he didn’t think it was human. But it was, and it 
 was Amy.
 “I do not think I have ever in my life witnessed that much suffering and 
 agony,” he said. “It is a sound I hope never to hear again.”
 Baxter and his dog, Ezra, scrambled down the hill to rescue her.
 “She’d landed on her back, on the rocks at the bottom of an old creek bed,” 
 Baxter said. “And she kept saying, ‘No! No! No!’ over and over ... and told 
 me she couldn’t feel her legs.”
 Baxter struggled back up the incline and 

Re: Follow up to Moderator Note yesterday concerning donations for one of our own

2013-10-27 Thread Joanne Chua
Hi Mark,

Just want to say that thinking of you and Amy and the two dogs. 
Hanging there mate, it will be a long recovery for Amy, but she'll make it.



Joanne Chua
The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad

 On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:21, Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 If the him, in question is me, HOK, we are already friends, and I believe I 
 am also friends with almost everyone here. If I am not online, I am away, and 
 will get back to you as soon as I can.
 
 The good news, however small, is that Amy did move a very little of both her 
 arms and legs today.
 
 Thanks again for everyone who showing their support. It is a long road ahead 
 for Amy, she needs all the encouraging she can to get her back to walking and 
 driving again.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
 My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:46 PM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 have him get on Skype. some of us are faster with speech than keyboard 
 skills. Also, its good to hear a voice on the far end of things offering 
 support.
 
 my Skype: technomage-hawke
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
 
 Hello again All,
 
 I just wanted to give you an update on Mark and Amy's story.
 
 Firstly though, please let me offer my sincere and deepest thanks to you 
 all who have shown your support and well-wishes. This not only means a 
 tremendous amount to Mark and Amy, but also means the world to me that we 
 can come together as a community to support each other when we are in need.
 
 Some of you have asked where the donations will go. Any donations will be 
 used for expenses associated with this incident and the medical care from 
 this. Mark has said that he will keep a record of everything associated 
 with this. Already it cost hundreds of dollars for Mark to simply tow Amy's 
 car back home. This cost has now been taken care of for them, fortunately. 
 So thank you all! :)
 
 You all are making a real difference here so I'm truly grateful to you!…
 
 Now, I'd like to share Mark's email address here so that you may send your 
 support to him. If you cannot offer financial support then please do 
 consider offering Amy and him your most valuable emotional support. It is 
 truly welcome…
 
 Below I'll first share Mark's email address and then a copy of the recent 
 article in a local Oregon paper about this incident which also offers an 
 update on Amy's condition. If you would like to know more, please do write 
 directly to Mark if you would?
 
 Now that this is known here, please let me suggest that we now move this to 
 a more personal level off the lists. Feel free to write me or Mark and do 
 be assured that any developments, I will share. Otherwise, I'm happy (and 
 will now encourage us) to continue this off the lists.
 
 Thanks so very, very much to you all for your support! I cannot express 
 enough how much this means to them and to me.
 
 Y'all are AWESOME!!!
 
 Have a wonderful weekend! Info and article follow…
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Cara
 ---
 Email Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com
 
 The Article
 
 The Curry Coastal Pilot - Couple survives hiking ordeal
 
 
 Mark Baxter and his girlfriend Amy Regan with their dogs, who were 
 instrumental in efforts to rescue Amy after a hiking accident. Submitted 
 photo
 Brookings resident Mark Baxter still isn’t sure what to make of what he 
 calls his misadventure along Damnation Creek near Klamath last weekend — an 
 afternoon jaunt that landed his girlfriend, Amy Regan, in ICU in Portland 
 with a broken back and no feeling in her arms and legs.
 “There was a bunch of stupid decisions all down the line,” Baxter said 
 Wednesday of what was supposed to have been an easy afternoon hike. “I got 
 lucky. I got damn lucky.”
 The two didn’t bring a survival kit, and were wearing sweatpants and 
 T-shirts. A friend has since reassured them that their clothing sounded 
 appropriate for a two-hour hike along a popular trail.
 The 3.4-mile trek threads through a redwood forest down 1,000 vertical feet 
 into a rocky, secluded beach. It’s rated “easy,” and the couple are 
 experienced hikers.
 “At first, the trail was great, so we continued,” Baxter said. “By the time 
 it got narrow and steep again, and Amy could see the ocean through the 
 trees ahead, we needed to turn back; it was getting dark.”
 When they did, Regan and her dog, Luke, slipped and fell from the steep 
 embankment. Baxter later learned she likely slipped on rotting timbers left 
 from an old footbridge.
 “I heard her fall, cry out, then a crash, then nothing,” Baxter said. “I 
 called out, ‘Amy! Can you answer me!’ And I heard nothing … for minutes.”
 When he did hear something, he didn’t think it was human. But it was, and 
 it was Amy.
 “I do not think I have ever in my life witnessed that much suffering 

Re: Mavericks and Gmail

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
HI Janet,
NO, if you use POP your mail won't sync between your devices. That's the huge 
advantage of IMAP, that it keeps your mail synced on all devices. So long as 
you have All Mail turned on in gmail settings on the server side, it seems 
gmail and Mail are now playing reasonably nicely with most people after 
sometime for things to settle down.

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your formatting?

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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
As for moving between mailboxes, can't you add your nine most frequently 
accessed mailboxes to the favourites bar and then switch between them with 
command-1 through 9?

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Podcasts on Mavericks

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Am I missing something, or is there an almost total absence of podcasts on 
Mavericks? I find it funny that on the day iOS 7 was released there was an 
explosion of podcasts on every tiny little insignificant change from iOS 6, but 
half a week later still none on the 200 new features and two completely new 
apps in Mavericks. I guess it just shows the difference in popularity between 
iOS and Mac.

I'm sure the Tech Doctor will have a great podcast on Mavericks soon, and I 
know the Maccessibility Round Table is focusing on Mavericks next episode (this 
Thurs I believe), but it seems a desperately long time for someone like me, 
craving Mavericks info, to wait. At least if I resist upgrading before then the 
info will be that much more exciting, rather than listening to people discuss 
what I've already discovered.

Anyway, if anyone knows of any podcasts I've somehow missed please let me know.

Thanks,
Nic

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no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t even get 
told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How if possible can 
I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the last thing I got told 
in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at all.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Daniela Rubio
That is very very bad, as there is a lot of people who works with many 
paragraph stiles and fields. I really don’ like it, hope it can be fixed, may 
be we can try reporting it to the iWork team and see what they say.


Daniela Rubio T
 Distinguished Educator
iPhone: +34662328507



El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
escribió:

 If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
 formatting?
 
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pop 3 question again

2013-10-27 Thread Maggie's Dobermail
So, to change the selection of the account type for my gmail account from imap 
to pop, I have to delete my account and start over?

I don’t see a check box or anything to switch this out in mail preferences.

also, do I have to go to the web site and disable imap?

thanks!
Cait

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MacBook air for sale, please reply off list!

2013-10-27 Thread Kliphton -------
Hello, I have a MacBook air for sale.  Barely 9 months old, and gently used.
If you would like more info, please contact me at
kliphton@outlook.com  That is my email as well as my iMessage
Any reply's on list will be ignored.  There are other contact methods in my
signature.  Thanks.

Kliphton
~iMessageEmail~ kliphton@outlook.com
~Twitter,Instagram,FourSquareSkype~ kliphton72
~Text only~ 914-820-2298
Personal blog-read at your own risk! http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com

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Re: Hotkey For Moving Apps To The Dock in Mavericks

2013-10-27 Thread Chris H

According to this list it is command shift control t.

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On 27/10/2013 05:00, BBS wrote:

Hi guys. Since command+option+T now hides or shows the toolbar, is there a new 
hotkey to place apps from the Finder to the dock?

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book



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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

2013-10-27 Thread Kliphton -------
Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse pointer 
where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, what key do you 
push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?


Kliphton
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Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they actually 
move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move to the right 
of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the horizontal splitter. I 
press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold 
down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say 
something different, I release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using 
this method, because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse or the 
trackpad, but this way ensures that I do.

HtH,
Teresa

The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham

 On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa
 
 How do you disable the preview pane?
 
 Debbie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
 
 As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with
 five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
 five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
 having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
 
 Teresa
 
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Re: A cautionary note about Mavericks installer

2013-10-27 Thread Chris H
This is similar to Mountain Lion so nothing new there apart from the 
issue you had. Not brave enough to tinker with my mac yet grin.


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On 27/10/2013 00:17, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi list:

I’ve been experimenting with Mavericks and have a couple minor observations 
regarding the installer.

First, upgrading went smoothly.

However, I enjoy tinkering, so, I also did an install using USB media, and, 
finally, with the recovery partition.

With the USB installer, the install was smooth, once I booted into it.

However, with the recovery partition, the installer required me to sign into my 
Apple account.  First, when the sign in dialog came up, I had to use the Window 
chooser to get into the Window.  But, I would navigate to the user name and 
password section, but, I couldn’t type there.  The thing that solved this seems 
strange, but, it worked.  Using VoiceOver commands, I navigated to the Forgot 
button, pressed it, and, it then let me type in my credentials.  Not sure why 
that worked, but, it’s what happened to me.



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Some useful Mac keyboard shortcuts

2013-10-27 Thread Chris H

Open the menu bar - control f2
open the dock - control f3
open the status menu (Lion) and extras menu (Mountain Lion or later) - 
control f8

These work even with VoiceOver off.

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Re: pop 3 question again

2013-10-27 Thread Chris H
Yes, delete the Gmail account on your computer, and no you do not need 
to disable imap. So long as pop is enabled it should work. Also I 
suggestin using the other option when adding a new account. It would 
seem that if you add a Google or Gmail account then it will set it up as 
what I believe to be a webmail account. After selecting other choose add 
mail account. This way you will then have the ability to use either imap 
or pop.


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On 27/10/2013 00:03, Maggie's Dobermail wrote:

So, to change the selection of the account type for my gmail account from imap 
to pop, I have to delete my account and start over?

I don’t see a check box or anything to switch this out in mail preferences.

also, do I have to go to the web site and disable imap?

thanks!
Cait



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cannot use the same user account and other upgrade issues

2013-10-27 Thread Reinhard Stebner
When setting up the computer it wants me to setup a user account and I want
to sue my account that is already setup on the machine but it will not let
me. It also complains about the account name of the computer. How do I get
past this? The error I receive is this name cannot be used. I receive this
error every time I attempt to setup the computer

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RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

2013-10-27 Thread Reinhard Stebner
What if one wanted to do a clean install?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

Hi, 

Upgrading will not effect bootcamp. If you want to upgrade and not do a
clean install all you have to do is go to the software update and tell it to
install Maverick. It is wise to backup first but it seems to be a very safe
installer. 

Once you've started the installation just wait and follow the prompts. It is
very simple. 

Tommy


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ramy moustafa
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user


Hi all:
i have my macc mini with mountain lion installed, and i have windows 64 as a
boot camp, now i need  to install the mavericks, 
1, will i need sited assistance to do so?
2, what about my booot camp, will it be affected??
3, if you please, i  need a tutorial or  something on hhow to install this
thhing, it's the 1st time for me. thanks so much 

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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posting to group without gmail account

2013-10-27 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Listers,

If I were to give up my gmail account, would I lose the ability to post and 
read posts in this group? I seem to remember that I was not able to join 
macvisionaries group without having a gmail e-mail address. If so, am I for 
ever imprisoned by gmail and google?

Many thanks for your thoughts.

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Re: What happens to my TM backup that spans OS10 versions?

2013-10-27 Thread Tom Moore
Hi,
If you restore the machine back to the image that you made before you installed 
the new os the system will revert back to Lion if you choose to restore back to 
that specific point.

Tom


 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I made a Time Machine backup just before I installed maverix, my first-ever 
 use of Time Machine. I kept the drive plugged in after I upgraded, and it 
 just struck me: what happened to it? My personal files are, of course, 
 intact, but is that backup now “running” Mountain Lion or would the system 
 files have been updated as well? Could I use it to restore, or are the two OS 
 versions now entangled somehow? Should I wipe it and start over?
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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changing iTunes and appstore ID

2013-10-27 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Dear Listers,

I am in the unfortunate position of having two apple IDs. One for the iCloud 
and one for the appstore and iTunes. This second one is my gmail address. Do 
you know whether this ID can be changed without affecting my up-to-date 
purchases in the iTunes store? Basically, I want to know whether I could get 
rid of my gmail account and find another email provider or just stay with my 
iCloud/me account.

Thanks for any help you could offer. Please feel free to write off list if my 
question is somewhat off-topic.

Andrew

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RE: Bricked my Macbook Air. Is a genius the only option?

2013-10-27 Thread Reinhard Stebner
From the below options, How do I select my wireless network?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bricked my Macbook Air. Is a genius the only option?

HI Mike,

You mentioned you have a backup of your data?

If you do, try starting your MBA and holding down the command and r keys
when the chime sounds. Hold them for a few seconds. (at least 5 ish)

Once you do that, you can then enable VoiceOver by pressing
function-command-F5.

This may take a few seconds to work. I sometimes seemingly need to do this a
few times. ;)

You'll see a table which should show you four options. One of these options
should be Reinstall OS 10.

From here you can reinstall a clean copy of OSX.

Once you do that, you can then restore from your Time Machine backup.

Hope this helps!

Smiles,

Cara :)
On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Mike blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone,
This morning I started the latest software update on my Macbook Air
and maybe about half way through my two year old ran through the office,
hooked the power cord on her foot, and yanked it out of the laptop.
Now there is no power, no sounds, no signs of life at all.
Fortunately I have a few backups so I'm not dying or anything but is
there any tricks that I can do on my own before taking it to a genius?
Thanks for any tips!
Happy almost Halloween!

Mike M

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Daniela,

You can report problems directly from the Pages app. In the Pages menu is an 
item called Provide Pages Feedback which goes to the appropriate page on the 
Apple website. I’ve already done this as I’m furious about the degradation in 
the functionality of Pages.

Cheers,

Anne




On 27 Oct 2013, at 11:03, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is very very bad, as there is a lot of people who works with many 
 paragraph stiles and fields. I really don’ like it, hope it can be fixed, may 
 be we can try reporting it to the iWork team and see what they say.
 
 
 Daniela Rubio T
  Distinguished Educator
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
 escribió:
 
 If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
 formatting?
 
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Ray,

If the preview pane is showing, all your messages will appear to be read as 
each message opens as soon as you land on it. This is why I always disable the 
preview pane.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 Oct 2013, at 10:15, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t even 
 get told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How if 
 possible can I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the last 
 thing I got told in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Barry Hadder
Hello Anne,

There are actually lots of keystrokes for changing font stiles and such.  Have 
you looked in the keyboard shortcuts list in the help documentation?
It seems that the hotkeys that could be set for paragraph styles are gone, but 
I don’t see that as a big degradation.  It is actually very easy to jump into 
the formatter to set them.

I understand the problems for some people caused by the absence of the mail 
merge fields and I haven’t been able to figure out how saving to rtf got left 
out, but I think that there is a good chance that they will be coming back 
soon.  I think these apps have been totally re written and some features just 
haven’t made it back in yet.  Most actually are there and people just can’t be 
bothered to find them.

I’ve seen a lot of talk on the web saying that these apps have been dumbed 
down, and I personally think that those comments are really unfortunate and 
unfair.  There is a lot here, and What is here seems quite good to me, and for 
the things that are missing, I think for now everybody should be willing to 
give them a chance.  This is the app store age where new features can be 
instantly pushed out to millions of people for free.
Take care.


On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

Hello everyone,

I seriously hope I’m wrong about this, but I can’t find the merge fields 
anywhere in the new Pages. This makes it very complicated, if not impossible, 
to use Pages for mail shots and invoices.

Another problem I’ve found is the lack of hotkeys for setting styles. Where 
have they gone?

I hope we haven’t gained easier access to tables in Pages, which we could 
manage anyway with a bit of messing about, just to lose really important 
features such as merge fields and hotkeys.

Cheers,

Anne

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upgrading, downgrading, choices oh my!

2013-10-27 Thread John D. Lipsey
Hey all:

I'm considering upgrading my 2010 Macbook from Lion to Mavericks. Various 
people have told me my little old macbook should support the upgrade well 
enough, and it may run the new OS better than Lion.

If this is not the case, or if I'm just ridiculously dissatisfied with mail and 
GMail, how easy is it to downgrade? Are there step-by-step instructions on 
downgrading somewhere?

Also and somewhat related, I'm planning on giving this macbook to my brother 
once I purchase a new macbook air.  What is the easiest way to remove all of my 
content, so my brother essentially gets a new machine with an OS on it?

Thanks in advance!

-John

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Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

2013-10-27 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi.

I have been using the macupdate desktop app for a very long time. Now it will 
not work in mavericks, that really surprises me, does anybody know why I can 
not use macupdate desktop anymore.

Thank you an advance.

Best regards Annie.

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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Can’t seem to do that in OS 10.9.  I do the following.

1.  Switch mail to use classic view.

2.  Close pref window.

3.  Move to the right of the messasge table until I find the splitter thingie, 
I think there’s only one but that the one I go to.
4.  Now, use VO+CMD+F5 to rout the mouse to that point.

5.  Now, activate the mouse keys with Option five times.

6.  Now, press zero on the numbers row to lock the mouse.

7.  Now, press the o key until I hear something different but I don’t.

I’ve even tried this with the track pad with Track pad commander off 
and it don’t work.

I think I must be doing something wrong but cannot be sure.  I’m using a Mac 
book Pro with the FN key on the very left bottom of the bluetooth keyboard and 
only a left side control key if that helps.



Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Ray,
 
 If the preview pane is showing, all your messages will appear to be read as 
 each message opens as soon as you land on it. This is why I always disable 
 the preview pane.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 10:15, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t even 
 get told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How if 
 possible can I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the last 
 thing I got told in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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Re: Follow up to Moderator Note yesterday concerning donations for one of our own

2013-10-27 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Amy 2.0 will be better, stronger, faster…

Sent from my iPhone

Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter


 On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:14 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 Just want to say that thinking of you and Amy and the two dogs. 
 Hanging there mate, it will be a long recovery for Amy, but she'll make it.
 
 
 
 Joanne Chua
 The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
 Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
 Send from my iPad
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:21, Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 If the him, in question is me, HOK, we are already friends, and I believe 
 I am also friends with almost everyone here. If I am not online, I am away, 
 and will get back to you as soon as I can.
 
 The good news, however small, is that Amy did move a very little of both her 
 arms and legs today.
 
 Thanks again for everyone who showing their support. It is a long road ahead 
 for Amy, she needs all the encouraging she can to get her back to walking 
 and driving again.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
 My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:46 PM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 have him get on Skype. some of us are faster with speech than keyboard 
 skills. Also, its good to hear a voice on the far end of things offering 
 support.
 
 my Skype: technomage-hawke
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
 
 Hello again All,
 
 I just wanted to give you an update on Mark and Amy's story.
 
 Firstly though, please let me offer my sincere and deepest thanks to you 
 all who have shown your support and well-wishes. This not only means a 
 tremendous amount to Mark and Amy, but also means the world to me that we 
 can come together as a community to support each other when we are in need.
 
 Some of you have asked where the donations will go. Any donations will be 
 used for expenses associated with this incident and the medical care from 
 this. Mark has said that he will keep a record of everything associated 
 with this. Already it cost hundreds of dollars for Mark to simply tow 
 Amy's car back home. This cost has now been taken care of for them, 
 fortunately. So thank you all! :)
 
 You all are making a real difference here so I'm truly grateful to you!…
 
 Now, I'd like to share Mark's email address here so that you may send your 
 support to him. If you cannot offer financial support then please do 
 consider offering Amy and him your most valuable emotional support. It is 
 truly welcome…
 
 Below I'll first share Mark's email address and then a copy of the recent 
 article in a local Oregon paper about this incident which also offers an 
 update on Amy's condition. If you would like to know more, please do write 
 directly to Mark if you would?
 
 Now that this is known here, please let me suggest that we now move this 
 to a more personal level off the lists. Feel free to write me or Mark and 
 do be assured that any developments, I will share. Otherwise, I'm happy 
 (and will now encourage us) to continue this off the lists.
 
 Thanks so very, very much to you all for your support! I cannot express 
 enough how much this means to them and to me.
 
 Y'all are AWESOME!!!
 
 Have a wonderful weekend! Info and article follow…
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Cara
 ---
 Email Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com
 
 The Article
 
 The Curry Coastal Pilot - Couple survives hiking ordeal
 
 
 Mark Baxter and his girlfriend Amy Regan with their dogs, who were 
 instrumental in efforts to rescue Amy after a hiking accident. Submitted 
 photo
 Brookings resident Mark Baxter still isn’t sure what to make of what he 
 calls his misadventure along Damnation Creek near Klamath last weekend — 
 an afternoon jaunt that landed his girlfriend, Amy Regan, in ICU in 
 Portland with a broken back and no feeling in her arms and legs.
 “There was a bunch of stupid decisions all down the line,” Baxter said 
 Wednesday of what was supposed to have been an easy afternoon hike. “I got 
 lucky. I got damn lucky.”
 The two didn’t bring a survival kit, and were wearing sweatpants and 
 T-shirts. A friend has since reassured them that their clothing sounded 
 appropriate for a two-hour hike along a popular trail.
 The 3.4-mile trek threads through a redwood forest down 1,000 vertical 
 feet into a rocky, secluded beach. It’s rated “easy,” and the couple are 
 experienced hikers.
 “At first, the trail was great, so we continued,” Baxter said. “By the 
 time it got narrow and steep again, and Amy could see the ocean through 
 the trees ahead, we needed to turn back; it was getting dark.”
 When they did, Regan and her dog, Luke, slipped and fell from the steep 
 embankment. Baxter later learned she likely slipped on rotting timbers 
 left from an old footbridge.
 “I heard her fall, 

think I closed preview pain but not sure.

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr

Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
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Re: Mavericks Isn't An Operating System, But An Update, was Re: Can't Download Mavericks

2013-10-27 Thread Mickey Quenzer




 On Oct 26, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Teresa hello Tresa
Can you tell me how to create a bootable installation disk to install my 
MacBook Pro from scratch deleting everything from the first. Any help would be 
appreciated
 Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Also, it is possible to create a bootable install. It’s just not easy to do. 
 once it’s downloaded, you have to manipulate the disc image that’s in the 
 apps folder or it will “disappear” once it’s installed. I had two download 
 errors before the third time became a charm.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think that rep is very mistaken.  I mean, would you call IOS 7 just an 
 update?  That’s free too.  Tell you what though, if it is just an update, 
 it’s the largest update I’ve ever seen at over 5GB. haha.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 8:23 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys. I kinda figured out why Mavericks was free and that I can’t 
 re-download it to make a bootable version. I just got off the phone with a 
 gentleman of Apple and he stated to me that Mavericks isn’t an OS, but an 
 update. He’s gonna send an article about it to me through email and when he 
 does, I’ll be sure to pass on the info.
 
 Shawn
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RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

2013-10-27 Thread Kliphton -------
You have to create a bootable drive with a 8GB usb thumb stick, or a USB
external drive that has been partitioned.  I have done it twice, and it is
really quite easy.  Let me know if you need any help.  My contact info is
below.

Kliphton
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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reinhard Stebner
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

What if one wanted to do a clean install?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

Hi, 

Upgrading will not effect bootcamp. If you want to upgrade and not do a
clean install all you have to do is go to the software update and tell it to
install Maverick. It is wise to backup first but it seems to be a very safe
installer. 

Once you've started the installation just wait and follow the prompts. It is
very simple. 

Tommy


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Subject: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user


Hi all:
i have my macc mini with mountain lion installed, and i have windows 64 as a
boot camp, now i need  to install the mavericks, 1, will i need sited
assistance to do so?
2, what about my booot camp, will it be affected??
3, if you please, i  need a tutorial or  something on hhow to install this
thhing, it's the 1st time for me. thanks so much 

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

2013-10-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, Nic,

Done that. It’s full now! :) I often grab something out of the trash when I 
think of something to add to a thread. Mostly, I was referring to moving 
between the message list and mailboxes. Since i now only have the two panes set 
up, and I can just press return when I want to read a message in greater 
detail, this minimizes the keystrokes and navigation within the window.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

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 As for moving between mailboxes, can't you add your nine most frequently 
 accessed mailboxes to the favourites bar and then switch between them with 
 command-1 through 9?
 
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Ray,

In Classic view, you go to the messages table but don’t interact with it. Make 
sure that Quick Nav is off. VO-Down Arrow and you should hear “Horizontal 
splitter”. Bring the mouse and double-click with the track pad.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:28, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Can’t seem to do that in OS 10.9.  I do the following.
 
 1.  Switch mail to use classic view.
 
 2.  Close pref window.
 
 3.  Move to the right of the messasge table until I find the splitter 
 thingie, I think there’s only one but that the one I go to.
 4.  Now, use VO+CMD+F5 to rout the mouse to that point.
 
 5.  Now, activate the mouse keys with Option five times.
 
 6.  Now, press zero on the numbers row to lock the mouse.
 
 7.  Now, press the o key until I hear something different but I don’t.
 
   I’ve even tried this with the track pad with Track pad commander off 
 and it don’t work.
 
 I think I must be doing something wrong but cannot be sure.  I’m using a Mac 
 book Pro with the FN key on the very left bottom of the bluetooth keyboard 
 and only a left side control key if that helps.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 If the preview pane is showing, all your messages will appear to be read as 
 each message opens as soon as you land on it. This is why I always disable 
 the preview pane.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 10:15, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t even 
 get told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How if 
 possible can I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the last 
 thing I got told in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Okay.  So, after I double click with the track pad, do I slide my finger either 
left or right?  IF not, how do I know the blasted pain is closed?

Usually use standard view.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Ray,
 
 In Classic view, you go to the messages table but don’t interact with it. 
 Make sure that Quick Nav is off. VO-Down Arrow and you should hear 
 “Horizontal splitter”. Bring the mouse and double-click with the track pad.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:28, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Can’t seem to do that in OS 10.9.  I do the following.
 
 1.  Switch mail to use classic view.
 
 2.  Close pref window.
 
 3.  Move to the right of the messasge table until I find the splitter 
 thingie, I think there’s only one but that the one I go to.
 4.  Now, use VO+CMD+F5 to rout the mouse to that point.
 
 5.  Now, activate the mouse keys with Option five times.
 
 6.  Now, press zero on the numbers row to lock the mouse.
 
 7.  Now, press the o key until I hear something different but I don’t.
 
  I’ve even tried this with the track pad with Track pad commander off 
 and it don’t work.
 
 I think I must be doing something wrong but cannot be sure.  I’m using a Mac 
 book Pro with the FN key on the very left bottom of the bluetooth keyboard 
 and only a left side control key if that helps.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 If the preview pane is showing, all your messages will appear to be read as 
 each message opens as soon as you land on it. This is why I always disable 
 the preview pane.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 10:15, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t even 
 get told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How if 
 possible can I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the last 
 thing I got told in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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Really need help here, folks, and have gotten not a single response all weekend

2013-10-27 Thread Christine Grassman
To summarize, I downgraded to Mountain Lion after a disastrous 
experience with Mavericks. However, because my Time Machine backup contained 
Mavericks, I had to copy and paste all of my files onto the drive as well. 
After the reinstallation, I attempted to copy the files back, but am getting 
the message the operation could not be completed because not all the files are 
back-up files or something like that. So, I tried copying things I needed 
individually for the time being. But the focus is all over the place, and the 
filenames keep changing as I move the arrow keys, and I get constant finder 
busy messages.
So, I need a particular bookshare book tomorrow, so I downloaded it again and 
tried to extract with the unarchiver. I had this set up automatically before 
the Mavericks upgrade, and can't seem to find in the preferences how to do this 
again. I selected the folder to extract, and am getting the message: The 
unarchiver cannot extract content from this type of file. These problems are 
going to impact me directly at work, so I would sincerely appreciate assistance.
Christinesome of the files are backup

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Barry,

Whether you think that Pages has been dumbed down or not depends on how you use 
it. For my purposes as a translator, the new version is not good at all. Yes, 
it’s easy to jump to the paragraph styles button in the formatter, but VO 
doesn’t read the name of the current style. Curiously, VO-Shift-c actually 
copies the name of the current style to the clipboard which can then be read in 
the Finder, but this is a lot of keystrokes to accomplish what I use to do with 
VO-Cmd-Hotspot number.

The lack of sender fields and merge fields is also a very serious omission for 
people who run their own businesses.

I have looked at the table of short cuts for Pages, but I don’t see anything 
that solves my problems.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 Oct 2013, at 14:41, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Anne,
 
 There are actually lots of keystrokes for changing font stiles and such.  
 Have you looked in the keyboard shortcuts list in the help documentation?
 It seems that the hotkeys that could be set for paragraph styles are gone, 
 but I don’t see that as a big degradation.  It is actually very easy to jump 
 into the formatter to set them.
 
 I understand the problems for some people caused by the absence of the mail 
 merge fields and I haven’t been able to figure out how saving to rtf got left 
 out, but I think that there is a good chance that they will be coming back 
 soon.  I think these apps have been totally re written and some features just 
 haven’t made it back in yet.  Most actually are there and people just can’t 
 be bothered to find them.
 
 I’ve seen a lot of talk on the web saying that these apps have been dumbed 
 down, and I personally think that those comments are really unfortunate and 
 unfair.  There is a lot here, and What is here seems quite good to me, and 
 for the things that are missing, I think for now everybody should be willing 
 to give them a chance.  This is the app store age where new features can be 
 instantly pushed out to millions of people for free.
 Take care.
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I seriously hope I’m wrong about this, but I can’t find the merge fields 
 anywhere in the new Pages. This makes it very complicated, if not impossible, 
 to use Pages for mail shots and invoices.
 
 Another problem I’ve found is the lack of hotkeys for setting styles. Where 
 have they gone?
 
 I hope we haven’t gained easier access to tables in Pages, which we could 
 manage anyway with a bit of messing about, just to lose really important 
 features such as merge fields and hotkeys.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

2013-10-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for Mail. 
Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You can use vO 
to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t interact with 
it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal splitter. Press 
control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the zero/insert key on the numpad 
once to lock the mouse down, then press and hold the six/right-arrow key on the 
numpad till you hear VO’s focus changing. this can take several seconds. Then 
press the period/delete key on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to 
be sure the horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you 
can switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.

HtH,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- kliphton@outlook.com wrote:

 Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse pointer 
 where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, what key do 
 you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
 
 
 Kliphton
 (iMessageEmail) kliphton@outlook.com
 (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquareSkype) kliphton72
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
 accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they 
 actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move 
 to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the 
 horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks the 
 mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to the 
 right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key with 
 numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track straight with 
 a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa
 
 How do you disable the preview pane?
 
 Debbie
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
 
 As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with
 five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
 five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
 having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
 
 Teresa
 
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Re: Really need help here, folks, and have gotten not a single response all weekend

2013-10-27 Thread Tom Moore
Hi,
Do you have a backup from before you upgraded the os?

Tom


 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
To summarize, I downgraded to Mountain Lion after a disastrous experience 
 with Mavericks. However, because my Time Machine backup contained Mavericks, 
 I had to copy and paste all of my files onto the drive as well. After the 
 reinstallation, I attempted to copy the files back, but am getting the 
 message the operation could not be completed because not all the files are 
 back-up files or something like that. So, I tried copying things I needed 
 individually for the time being. But the focus is all over the place, and the 
 filenames keep changing as I move the arrow keys, and I get constant finder 
 busy messages.
 So, I need a particular bookshare book tomorrow, so I downloaded it again and 
 tried to extract with the unarchiver. I had this set up automatically before 
 the Mavericks upgrade, and can't seem to find in the preferences how to do 
 this again. I selected the folder to extract, and am getting the message: 
 The unarchiver cannot extract content from this type of file. These 
 problems are going to impact me directly at work, so I would sincerely 
 appreciate assistance.
 Christinesome of the files are backup
 
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Ray,

The track pad commander should be off. So, after the double-click, just do 
VO-Down Arrow and there should be nothing there.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 Oct 2013, at 16:02, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Okay.  So, after I double click with the track pad, do I slide my finger 
 either left or right?  IF not, how do I know the blasted pain is closed?
 
 Usually use standard view.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 In Classic view, you go to the messages table but don’t interact with it. 
 Make sure that Quick Nav is off. VO-Down Arrow and you should hear 
 “Horizontal splitter”. Bring the mouse and double-click with the track pad.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:28, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Can’t seem to do that in OS 10.9.  I do the following.
 
 1.  Switch mail to use classic view.
 
 2.  Close pref window.
 
 3.  Move to the right of the messasge table until I find the splitter 
 thingie, I think there’s only one but that the one I go to.
 4.  Now, use VO+CMD+F5 to rout the mouse to that point.
 
 5.  Now, activate the mouse keys with Option five times.
 
 6.  Now, press zero on the numbers row to lock the mouse.
 
 7.  Now, press the o key until I hear something different but I don’t.
 
 I’ve even tried this with the track pad with Track pad commander off 
 and it don’t work.
 
 I think I must be doing something wrong but cannot be sure.  I’m using a 
 Mac book Pro with the FN key on the very left bottom of the bluetooth 
 keyboard and only a left side control key if that helps.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 If the preview pane is showing, all your messages will appear to be read 
 as each message opens as soon as you land on it. This is why I always 
 disable the preview pane.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 10:15, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t 
 even get told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How 
 if possible can I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the 
 last thing I got told in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at 
 all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

2013-10-27 Thread Buddy Brannan
While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you 
close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the preview 
pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. At last, 
that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to make the 
preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because I’ve kinda 
gotten to like modern view.
--
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Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for Mail. 
 Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You can use 
 vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t interact 
 with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal splitter. Press 
 control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the zero/insert key on the 
 numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and hold the six/right-arrow 
 key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus changing. this can take several 
 seconds. Then press the period/delete key on the numpad to release the mouse. 
 Double-check to be sure the horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At 
 this point, you can switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you 
 wish.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- kliphton@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 
 Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse pointer 
 where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, what key do 
 you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
 
 
 Kliphton
 (iMessageEmail) kliphton@outlook.com
 (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquareSkype) kliphton72
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
 accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they 
 actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move 
 to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the 
 horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks 
 the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to 
 the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key 
 with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track straight 
 with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa
 
 How do you disable the preview pane?
 
 Debbie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
 
 As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and with
 five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
 five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
 having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
 
 Teresa
 
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A note to outlook.com users

2013-10-27 Thread Kliphton -------
Okay, some of you may have seen my post a couple weeks back, that Microsoft
now supports imap in mac mail.  The instructions cover mountain lion only.
I anisially upgraded from mountain lion, but wanted to see if a clean
install provided any differences.  For me it did.  My outlook configuration
in apple mail being one of them.  In the past when you put in a Microsoft
account in apple mail, it always defaulted to pop3, now when you do it, it
tells you that you must configure it manually.  But upon telling you that,
all the right settings are filled in for you.  So just a heads up for anyone
who is using or planning on using outlook.com mail with apple mail in
mavericks.  I faught with this for almost 2 hours before trying to do it the
normal way.  Just goes to show you how much things can change.  I learned
the hard way.  But hey, my dad always told me, there is no better teacher
than experience!  HTH

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Re: Really need help here, folks, and have gotten not a single response all weekend

2013-10-27 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello,

Shouldn’t you have a backup for Mountain Lion as well?  I’m pretty sure I 
remember seeing you backed up before updating to Mavericks.  If so, you should 
be able to ge into your recovery partition, and use your time machine backup 
from right before you updated to Mavericks.

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

   To summarize, I downgraded to Mountain Lion after a disastrous 
 experience with Mavericks. However, because my Time Machine backup contained 
 Mavericks, I had to copy and paste all of my files onto the drive as well. 
 After the reinstallation, I attempted to copy the files back, but am getting 
 the message the operation could not be completed because not all the files 
 are back-up files or something like that. So, I tried copying things I 
 needed individually for the time being. But the focus is all over the place, 
 and the filenames keep changing as I move the arrow keys, and I get constant 
 finder busy messages.
 So, I need a particular bookshare book tomorrow, so I downloaded it again and 
 tried to extract with the unarchiver. I had this set up automatically before 
 the Mavericks upgrade, and can't seem to find in the preferences how to do 
 this again. I selected the folder to extract, and am getting the message: 
 The unarchiver cannot extract content from this type of file. These 
 problems are going to impact me directly at work, so I would sincerely 
 appreciate assistance.
 Christinesome of the files are backup
 
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Re: What happens to my TM backup that spans OS10 versions?

2013-10-27 Thread Alex Hall
I know, but I have now had Time Machine back up my ML system, then keep packing 
up to the same drive under Maverix. Are things versioned, so I could go back 
to, say a week ago and have all my ML files, or two days ago and have the 
restore be Maverix?
On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tom Moore tommym2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 If you restore the machine back to the image that you made before you 
 installed the new os the system will revert back to Lion if you choose to 
 restore back to that specific point.
 
 Tom
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I made a Time Machine backup just before I installed maverix, my first-ever 
 use of Time Machine. I kept the drive plugged in after I upgraded, and it 
 just struck me: what happened to it? My personal files are, of course, 
 intact, but is that backup now “running” Mountain Lion or would the system 
 files have been updated as well? Could I use it to restore, or are the two 
 OS versions now entangled somehow? Should I wipe it and start over?
 
 
 Have a great day,
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Re: What happens to my TM backup that spans OS10 versions?

2013-10-27 Thread Tom Moore
Hi,
As far as I know when you backup the system it takes what ever version of the 
os is on the drive at that time and puts it in the restore point.
If you restore the system to a point that had Lion on it that restore will have 
Lion on it when you run it.
If you then run a restore hat had 10.9 that will restore the 10.9 version of 
the system on to your drive.
As far as selecting individual files out of a time machine backup I am not sure 
how to do this.

Tom


 On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know, but I have now had Time Machine back up my ML system, then keep 
 packing up to the same drive under Maverix. Are things versioned, so I could 
 go back to, say a week ago and have all my ML files, or two days ago and have 
 the restore be Maverix?
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tom Moore tommym2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 If you restore the machine back to the image that you made before you 
 installed the new os the system will revert back to Lion if you choose to 
 restore back to that specific point.
 
 Tom
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I made a Time Machine backup just before I installed maverix, my first-ever 
 use of Time Machine. I kept the drive plugged in after I upgraded, and it 
 just struck me: what happened to it? My personal files are, of course, 
 intact, but is that backup now “running” Mountain Lion or would the system 
 files have been updated as well? Could I use it to restore, or are the two 
 OS versions now entangled somehow? Should I wipe it and start over?
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

2013-10-27 Thread Reinhard Stebner
Can I do this from a PC or must it be done from a Mac? 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton ---
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

You have to create a bootable drive with a 8GB usb thumb stick, or a USB
external drive that has been partitioned.  I have done it twice, and it is
really quite easy.  Let me know if you need any help.  My contact info is
below.

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reinhard Stebner
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

What if one wanted to do a clean install?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

Hi, 

Upgrading will not effect bootcamp. If you want to upgrade and not do a
clean install all you have to do is go to the software update and tell it to
install Maverick. It is wise to backup first but it seems to be a very safe
installer. 

Once you've started the installation just wait and follow the prompts. It is
very simple. 

Tommy


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ramy moustafa
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user


Hi all:
i have my macc mini with mountain lion installed, and i have windows 64 as a
boot camp, now i need  to install the mavericks, 1, will i need sited
assistance to do so?
2, what about my booot camp, will it be affected??
3, if you please, i  need a tutorial or  something on hhow to install this
thhing, it's the 1st time for me. thanks so much 

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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Re: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user

2013-10-27 Thread Kliphton -------
Has to be done from the mac. Its a mac OS, so that is only logical.
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On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Reinhard Stebner raydar11...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Can I do this from a PC or must it be done from a Mac? 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:54 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user
 
 You have to create a bootable drive with a 8GB usb thumb stick, or a USB
 external drive that has been partitioned.  I have done it twice, and it is
 really quite easy.  Let me know if you need any help.  My contact info is
 below.
 
 Kliphton
 ~iMessageEmail~ kliphton@outlook.com
 ~Twitter,Instagram,FourSquareSkype~ kliphton72
 ~Text only~ 914-820-2298
 Personal blog-read at your own risk! http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reinhard Stebner
 Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:33 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user
 
 What if one wanted to do a clean install?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:26 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user
 
 Hi, 
 
 Upgrading will not effect bootcamp. If you want to upgrade and not do a
 clean install all you have to do is go to the software update and tell it to
 install Maverick. It is wise to backup first but it seems to be a very safe
 installer. 
 
 Once you've started the installation just wait and follow the prompts. It is
 very simple. 
 
 Tommy
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ramy moustafa
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:19 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Upgrading to Mavericks, help please for a new user
 
 
 Hi all:
 i have my macc mini with mountain lion installed, and i have windows 64 as a
 boot camp, now i need  to install the mavericks, 1, will i need sited
 assistance to do so?
 2, what about my booot camp, will it be affected??
 3, if you please, i  need a tutorial or  something on hhow to install this
 thhing, it's the 1st time for me. thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I did this 

1.  Using classic view, I made sure I was not interacting with the message 
table.

2.  Next, pressed VO+down till I heard “horisontal scrole area.

3.  Next, routed the mouse to that area.

4.  Making sure track pad commander was off, (it’s always off for me) I double 
clicked the track pad.

Still, I cannot tell if messages are read or unread but, I suspect that they 
are read as I arrow over them because as I arrow through them, I hear the time  
stamp before the subject line if a message is read.  If a message is unread, I 
hear the subject line first.

I wish they would fix this damn thing.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Ray,
 
 The track pad commander should be off. So, after the double-click, just do 
 VO-Down Arrow and there should be nothing there.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 16:02, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Okay.  So, after I double click with the track pad, do I slide my finger 
 either left or right?  IF not, how do I know the blasted pain is closed?
 
 Usually use standard view.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 In Classic view, you go to the messages table but don’t interact with it. 
 Make sure that Quick Nav is off. VO-Down Arrow and you should hear 
 “Horizontal splitter”. Bring the mouse and double-click with the track pad.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:28, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Can’t seem to do that in OS 10.9.  I do the following.
 
 1.  Switch mail to use classic view.
 
 2.  Close pref window.
 
 3.  Move to the right of the messasge table until I find the splitter 
 thingie, I think there’s only one but that the one I go to.
 4.  Now, use VO+CMD+F5 to rout the mouse to that point.
 
 5.  Now, activate the mouse keys with Option five times.
 
 6.  Now, press zero on the numbers row to lock the mouse.
 
 7.  Now, press the o key until I hear something different but I don’t.
 
I’ve even tried this with the track pad with Track pad commander off 
 and it don’t work.
 
 I think I must be doing something wrong but cannot be sure.  I’m using a 
 Mac book Pro with the FN key on the very left bottom of the bluetooth 
 keyboard and only a left side control key if that helps.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 If the preview pane is showing, all your messages will appear to be read 
 as each message opens as soon as you land on it. This is why I always 
 disable the preview pane.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 10:15, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Ever since I played with the preview pain in mail last night, I don’t 
 even get told whether a message I’m passing over is read or unread.  How 
 if possible can I make sure to get this information?  It used to be the 
 last thing I got told in OS 10.9, and now, I don’t even get told it at 
 all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
 blind built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Ray,

What happens if you do VO-Down arrow when you’re on the horizontal splitter? If 
there’s nothing below it, you’ve got rid of the preview pane.

If that isn’t the case, another way to get rid of it is to route the mouse to 
the horizontal splitter, then press your finger down on the track pad and drag 
it downwards a little way. This drags the splitter to the bottom of the screen.

Cheers,

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Re: A cautionary note about Mavericks installer

2013-10-27 Thread Rob Bender
Hi everyone.  If I do a clean install of Mavericks, is there an easy way to 
restore my data from my time machine backup?
 The upgrade to Mavericks did not work for me, since the set up process quit 
unexpectedly.

Thanks.

On 2013-10-26, at 7:17 PM, Joseph Norton joseph.nor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi list:
 
 I’ve been experimenting with Mavericks and have a couple minor observations 
 regarding the installer.
 
 First, upgrading went smoothly.
 
 However, I enjoy tinkering, so, I also did an install using USB media, and, 
 finally, with the recovery partition.
 
 With the USB installer, the install was smooth, once I booted into it.
 
 However, with the recovery partition, the installer required me to sign into 
 my Apple account.  First, when the sign in dialog came up, I had to use the 
 Window chooser to get into the Window.  But, I would navigate to the user 
 name and password section, but, I couldn’t type there.  The thing that solved 
 this seems strange, but, it worked.  Using VoiceOver commands, I navigated to 
 the Forgot button, pressed it, and, it then let me type in my credentials.  
 Not sure why that worked, but, it’s what happened to me.
 
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anyone happen to have the direct email for the accessibility dept. at facebook?

2013-10-27 Thread eric oyen
Their site has gotten so unreasonable of late trying to navigate it in a 
browser. In full mode, some items won't even be seen by the screen reader 
(using chrome, webkit or even plain safari) and in mobile mode, some settings 
aren't even available. this has to change. anyone happen to have the direct 
email for facefooks accessibility development team? either that or a phone 
number.

-eric

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Re: Follow up to Moderator Note yesterday concerning donations for one of our own

2013-10-27 Thread Katey Glass
Markk,

I'm thinking about you and Amy and the dogs.  Will continue to pray for a full 
recovery!  I like your choice of words!  

Katey 

Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
 markbaxte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Amy 2.0 will be better, stronger, faster…
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
 My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:14 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 Just want to say that thinking of you and Amy and the two dogs. 
 Hanging there mate, it will be a long recovery for Amy, but she'll make it.
 
 
 
 Joanne Chua
 The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
 Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
 Send from my iPad
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:21, Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 If the him, in question is me, HOK, we are already friends, and I believe 
 I am also friends with almost everyone here. If I am not online, I am away, 
 and will get back to you as soon as I can.
 
 The good news, however small, is that Amy did move a very little of both 
 her arms and legs today.
 
 Thanks again for everyone who showing their support. It is a long road 
 ahead for Amy, she needs all the encouraging she can to get her back to 
 walking and driving again.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
 My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:46 PM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 have him get on Skype. some of us are faster with speech than keyboard 
 skills. Also, its good to hear a voice on the far end of things offering 
 support.
 
 my Skype: technomage-hawke
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
 
 Hello again All,
 
 I just wanted to give you an update on Mark and Amy's story.
 
 Firstly though, please let me offer my sincere and deepest thanks to you 
 all who have shown your support and well-wishes. This not only means a 
 tremendous amount to Mark and Amy, but also means the world to me that we 
 can come together as a community to support each other when we are in 
 need.
 
 Some of you have asked where the donations will go. Any donations will be 
 used for expenses associated with this incident and the medical care from 
 this. Mark has said that he will keep a record of everything associated 
 with this. Already it cost hundreds of dollars for Mark to simply tow 
 Amy's car back home. This cost has now been taken care of for them, 
 fortunately. So thank you all! :)
 
 You all are making a real difference here so I'm truly grateful to you!…
 
 Now, I'd like to share Mark's email address here so that you may send 
 your support to him. If you cannot offer financial support then please do 
 consider offering Amy and him your most valuable emotional support. It is 
 truly welcome…
 
 Below I'll first share Mark's email address and then a copy of the recent 
 article in a local Oregon paper about this incident which also offers an 
 update on Amy's condition. If you would like to know more, please do 
 write directly to Mark if you would?
 
 Now that this is known here, please let me suggest that we now move this 
 to a more personal level off the lists. Feel free to write me or Mark and 
 do be assured that any developments, I will share. Otherwise, I'm happy 
 (and will now encourage us) to continue this off the lists.
 
 Thanks so very, very much to you all for your support! I cannot express 
 enough how much this means to them and to me.
 
 Y'all are AWESOME!!!
 
 Have a wonderful weekend! Info and article follow…
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Cara
 ---
 Email Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com
 
 The Article
 
 The Curry Coastal Pilot - Couple survives hiking ordeal
 
 
 Mark Baxter and his girlfriend Amy Regan with their dogs, who were 
 instrumental in efforts to rescue Amy after a hiking accident. Submitted 
 photo
 Brookings resident Mark Baxter still isn’t sure what to make of what he 
 calls his misadventure along Damnation Creek near Klamath last weekend — 
 an afternoon jaunt that landed his girlfriend, Amy Regan, in ICU in 
 Portland with a broken back and no feeling in her arms and legs.
 “There was a bunch of stupid decisions all down the line,” Baxter said 
 Wednesday of what was supposed to have been an easy afternoon hike. “I 
 got lucky. I got damn lucky.”
 The two didn’t bring a survival kit, and were wearing sweatpants and 
 T-shirts. A friend has since reassured them that their clothing sounded 
 appropriate for a two-hour hike along a popular trail.
 The 3.4-mile trek threads through a redwood forest down 1,000 vertical 
 feet into a rocky, secluded beach. It’s rated “easy,” and the couple are 
 experienced hikers.
 “At first, the trail was great, so we continued,” Baxter said. “By the 
 time it got narrow and steep again, and Amy could see the ocean through 
 

Re: Mavericks and Gmail

2013-10-27 Thread matthew dyer
Hi,

I am using 10.9 with no problems with gmail.  I ofcorse did not disable all 
mail so that may have something to do with it.  Just my thoughts.


matthew dyer 
sent from my 27 inch iMac.



facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

Skype: graduater2004




On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Janet Ingber janet.ing...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 
 Since my Gmail address is my primary email address has anyone been able to 
 install Mavericks and not have a problem with Gmail? I'd like to update to 
 Mavericks and changing my email address would be a real pain.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Mavericks and Gmail

2013-10-27 Thread Janet Ingber
Hi Matthew,

I checked my Gmail settings and I too did not disable all mail.  Hopefully 
things will go smoothly when I upgrade.  When I bought my Macbook Air, the 
techs set up my email at the store.

Thanks,
Janet
On Oct 27, 2013, at 2:40 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I am using 10.9 with no problems with gmail.  I ofcorse did not disable all 
 mail so that may have something to do with it.  Just my thoughts.
 
 
 matthew dyer 
 sent from my 27 inch iMac.
 
 
 
 facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
 
 Skype: graduater2004
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Janet Ingber janet.ing...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 Since my Gmail address is my primary email address has anyone been able to 
 install Mavericks and not have a problem with Gmail? I'd like to update to 
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 Thanks,
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Re: think I closed preview pain but not sure.

2013-10-27 Thread Michael Marshall
i in a stupid moment removed the message telling us how to get rid of the 
preview pain, could the person who sent the instructions plese send them again?
sorry about that

Michael
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Re: Pandora, edit station details

2013-10-27 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi, thanks for the feedback.  :)

I’m in the US and I’m enjoying iRadio, but so far, Pandora is winning me over.  
I use it just fine on my iDevices.  For now, piano pub will have to suffice on 
the Mac.

Thanks again,
Traci

On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Traci,
 
 It is a very unpleasant sight to deal with.  I don’t understand why you 
 aren’t seeing anything however.  You should be able to find a lot of 
 clickable elements with vo.  You do have to have flash installed, but if you 
 don’t, I would think you would be getting a screen telling you as much.  You 
 might try hitting space bar just to see if it stops or starts playing.
 
 I don’t know where you are, but if you can use iTunes radio, I would strongly 
 recommend doing that.
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 When you say the web player, do you mean navigating to pandora.com?
 
 Whenever I go there, I can’t get anywhere.  There is a splash screen at the 
 top that I’m unable to do anything with.  How do you log in to begin playing?
 
 I don’t have flash installed, do you?
 
 Thanks,
 Traci
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Traci,
 
 It has occurred to me that I might should have gone in to a little more 
 detail. I’m assuming you are using the web player.
 
 Click options then station details.  I’m assuming that at this point what I 
 described earlier is still true.  It looks the same to me anyway.  I also 
 noticed after checking it out jest now, that it isn’t in the profile section 
 as it use to be.
 Hope that helps.
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, which app are you using for Pandora?
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Traci,
 
 There is a button to the right of the heading that it invisible to 
 Voiceover.  When I used Pandora, the only way I found to delete seeds or 
 thumbs is to put vo on the heading, route the mouse to it, then move the 
 mouse over to the right until clicking would remove what I was wanting.  It 
 takes some trial and error.
 
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Does anyone know of a way to edit their Pandora stations on the Mac?  I 
 want to go in and delete some of my station seeds.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Follow up to Moderator Note yesterday concerning donations for one of our own

2013-10-27 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Hi, Katety.

Thank you so much for keeping us in your mind. It means getting better all the 
time, but it's a very long road until we get to Amy 2.0. (She is still in beta)

Be well.

Sent from my iPhone

Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter


 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Markk,
 
 I'm thinking about you and Amy and the dogs.  Will continue to pray for a 
 full recovery!  I like your choice of words!  
 
 Katey 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
 markbaxte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Amy 2.0 will be better, stronger, faster…
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
 My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:14 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 Just want to say that thinking of you and Amy and the two dogs. 
 Hanging there mate, it will be a long recovery for Amy, but she'll make it.
 
 
 
 Joanne Chua
 The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
 Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
 Send from my iPad
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:21, Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 If the him, in question is me, HOK, we are already friends, and I 
 believe I am also friends with almost everyone here. If I am not online, I 
 am away, and will get back to you as soon as I can.
 
 The good news, however small, is that Amy did move a very little of both 
 her arms and legs today.
 
 Thanks again for everyone who showing their support. It is a long road 
 ahead for Amy, she needs all the encouraging she can to get her back to 
 walking and driving again.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
 My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:46 PM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 have him get on Skype. some of us are faster with speech than keyboard 
 skills. Also, its good to hear a voice on the far end of things offering 
 support.
 
 my Skype: technomage-hawke
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
 
 Hello again All,
 
 I just wanted to give you an update on Mark and Amy's story.
 
 Firstly though, please let me offer my sincere and deepest thanks to you 
 all who have shown your support and well-wishes. This not only means a 
 tremendous amount to Mark and Amy, but also means the world to me that 
 we can come together as a community to support each other when we are in 
 need.
 
 Some of you have asked where the donations will go. Any donations will 
 be used for expenses associated with this incident and the medical care 
 from this. Mark has said that he will keep a record of everything 
 associated with this. Already it cost hundreds of dollars for Mark to 
 simply tow Amy's car back home. This cost has now been taken care of for 
 them, fortunately. So thank you all! :)
 
 You all are making a real difference here so I'm truly grateful to you!…
 
 Now, I'd like to share Mark's email address here so that you may send 
 your support to him. If you cannot offer financial support then please 
 do consider offering Amy and him your most valuable emotional support. 
 It is truly welcome…
 
 Below I'll first share Mark's email address and then a copy of the 
 recent article in a local Oregon paper about this incident which also 
 offers an update on Amy's condition. If you would like to know more, 
 please do write directly to Mark if you would?
 
 Now that this is known here, please let me suggest that we now move this 
 to a more personal level off the lists. Feel free to write me or Mark 
 and do be assured that any developments, I will share. Otherwise, I'm 
 happy (and will now encourage us) to continue this off the lists.
 
 Thanks so very, very much to you all for your support! I cannot express 
 enough how much this means to them and to me.
 
 Y'all are AWESOME!!!
 
 Have a wonderful weekend! Info and article follow…
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Cara
 ---
 Email Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com
 
 The Article
 
 The Curry Coastal Pilot - Couple survives hiking ordeal
 
 
 Mark Baxter and his girlfriend Amy Regan with their dogs, who were 
 instrumental in efforts to rescue Amy after a hiking accident. Submitted 
 photo
 Brookings resident Mark Baxter still isn’t sure what to make of what he 
 calls his misadventure along Damnation Creek near Klamath last weekend — 
 an afternoon jaunt that landed his girlfriend, Amy Regan, in ICU in 
 Portland with a broken back and no feeling in her arms and legs.
 “There was a bunch of stupid decisions all down the line,” Baxter said 
 Wednesday of what was supposed to have been an easy afternoon hike. “I 
 got lucky. I got damn lucky.”
 The two didn’t bring a survival kit, and were wearing sweatpants and 
 T-shirts. A friend has 

Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)

2013-10-27 Thread Traci Duncan
Hello, I don’t believe there are any new Australian voices.  Just Lee  Karen.

AS far as the capitol goes, Oliver (the new UK voice), reads capitol T, the 
same as Compact Samantha.

Oddly enough, Alex didn’t indicate capitol or lower-case.  I wonder if that is 
a setting I have created?

Traci

On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Two questions:
 1. Are there any new Australian English voices?
 2. Do the new voices read out capital letters properly, as does Alex, or do 
 they announce both capital and change pitch?
 
 On 27/10/2013, at 3:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the 
 default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences  Speech 
 and Dictation  Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you 
 want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new 
 voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I 
 don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good.
 
 Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you 
 mean, though.
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages 
 are reaching the group.
 please tell me.
 read below.
 hi folks. 
 for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: 
 someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started 
 is now available for the mavericks? 
 would be nice to take some questions. 
 I think it's still a bit early but ... 
 
 thanks. 
 cheers. 
 Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu:
 Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just 
 improved a bit.  For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge 
 other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc..
 I know somebody will correct me if this is off base..
 Cait
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Wait a minute, there are new vo voices?
 Thanks,
 Courtney
 
 
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 On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 new
 
 
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

2013-10-27 Thread Michael Marshall
hey,
i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay with 
it myself.
On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:

 While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you 
 close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the 
 preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. 
 At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to make 
 the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because I’ve 
 kinda gotten to like modern view.
 --
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 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
 
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
 Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You 
 can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but don’t 
 interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal 
 splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the 
 zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and 
 hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus 
 changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key on 
 the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal 
 splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to 
 modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- kliphton@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 
 Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse pointer 
 where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, what key do 
 you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
 
 
 Kliphton
 (iMessageEmail) kliphton@outlook.com
 (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquareSkype) kliphton72
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
 accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they 
 actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then move 
 to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the 
 horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks 
 the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse to 
 the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse key 
 with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track 
 straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures 
 that I do.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa
 
 How do you disable the preview pane?
 
 Debbie
 
 
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 Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
 
 As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and 
 with
 five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
 five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
 having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
 
 Teresa
 
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Re: think I closed preview pain but not sure.

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Michael,

Here’s one way to get rid of the preview pane.

Put Mail into classic view. Make sure that Quick Nav is off and that you’re not 
interacting with the message table.
Do VO-Down arrow to the horizontal splitter. Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5). If 
you have a trackpad, make sure that track pad commander is off and press down 
on the trackpad with one finger and slide your finger down.

If there is now nothing below the horizontal splitter, the preview pane is gone.

Teresa posted how to do this using mousekeys, but I no longer have that message.



Cheers,

Anne


On 27 Oct 2013, at 20:23, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:

 i in a stupid moment removed the message telling us how to get rid of the 
 preview pain, could the person who sent the instructions plese send them 
 again?
 sorry about that
 
 Michael
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Re: think I closed preview pain but not sure.

2013-10-27 Thread Michael Marshall
hey,
thanks a lot, that did the trick

Michael
On 28 Oct 2013, at 6:41 am, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Michael,
 
 Here’s one way to get rid of the preview pane.
 
 Put Mail into classic view. Make sure that Quick Nav is off and that you’re 
 not interacting with the message table.
 Do VO-Down arrow to the horizontal splitter. Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5). If 
 you have a trackpad, make sure that track pad commander is off and press down 
 on the trackpad with one finger and slide your finger down.
 
 If there is now nothing below the horizontal splitter, the preview pane is 
 gone.
 
 Teresa posted how to do this using mousekeys, but I no longer have that 
 message.
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 20:23, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i in a stupid moment removed the message telling us how to get rid of the 
 preview pain, could the person who sent the instructions plese send them 
 again?
 sorry about that
 
 Michael
 On 28 Oct 2013, at 1:30 am, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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Re: Mavericks and Gmail

2013-10-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
I’m having a few hiccups with syncing, but that’s pretty much it. I didn’t 
disable all mail either all along, so the only messages that had to sync were 
the archived ones, which apple Mail doesn’t keep separately anymore. Gmail has 
never kept Archived messages separately, either.

Teresa

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On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:40 AM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I am using 10.9 with no problems with gmail.  I ofcorse did not disable all 
 mail so that may have something to do with it.  Just my thoughts.
 
 
 matthew dyer 
 sent from my 27 inch iMac.
 
 
 
 facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
 
 Skype: graduater2004
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Janet Ingber janet.ing...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 Since my Gmail address is my primary email address has anyone been able to 
 install Mavericks and not have a problem with Gmail? I'd like to update to 
 Mavericks and changing my email address would be a real pain.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Sorry I can't answer your question, but perhaps you can answer one of mine. 
What does the MacUpdate Desktop do? What's the advantage of using it? I have 
some software from MacUpdate and am often interested in their deals, but wasn't 
exactly sure why I would want or need the desktop app. Does it allow you to 
brows, view or purchase new apps?
Cheers,
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Re: Mavericks and Gmail

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
HI Teresa,
When you updated, did all your messages saved in the [IMAP]/Archive folder–that 
is, Mail's special Archive folder–get merged with all your archived messages in 
All Mail? Or does this still remain a separate, but now redundant, folder in 
Mavericks?
Thanks,
Nic

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Re: anyone happen to have the direct email for the accessibility dept. at facebook?

2013-10-27 Thread Chris H

accessibility+r8tlllq.aea6hcn6sx...@support.facebook.com

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/10/2013 18:30, eric oyen wrote:

Their site has gotten so unreasonable of late trying to navigate it in a 
browser. In full mode, some items won't even be seen by the screen reader 
(using chrome, webkit or even plain safari) and in mobile mode, some settings 
aren't even available. this has to change. anyone happen to have the direct 
email for facefooks accessibility development team? either that or a phone 
number.

-eric



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Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)

2013-10-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
HI Traci,
By default, Alex should just change pitch when reading a capital letter but 
should not say the word capital. This makes reading all caps much easier as 
you don't get all the unnecessary extra words. The other voices, however, will 
say capital and change pitch as well, which is unnecessarily verbose given 
that the pitch change is sufficient.
Cheers,
Nic

On 28/10/2013, at 6:34 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, I don’t believe there are any new Australian voices.  Just Lee  Karen.

AS far as the capitol goes, Oliver (the new UK voice), reads capitol T, the 
same as Compact Samantha.

Oddly enough, Alex didn’t indicate capitol or lower-case.  I wonder if that is 
a setting I have created?

Traci

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Re: Really need help here, folks, and have gotten not a single response all weekend

2013-10-27 Thread Christine Grassman
Thought I did, but the only backup is Mavericks and only one copied folder of 
files, at least what is visible to me on the drive.


Sent from my iPhone

 On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:26 pm, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Shouldn’t you have a backup for Mountain Lion as well?  I’m pretty sure I 
 remember seeing you backed up before updating to Mavericks.  If so, you 
 should be able to ge into your recovery partition, and use your time machine 
 backup from right before you updated to Mavericks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
To summarize, I downgraded to Mountain Lion after a disastrous experience 
 with Mavericks. However, because my Time Machine backup contained Mavericks, 
 I had to copy and paste all of my files onto the drive as well. After the 
 reinstallation, I attempted to copy the files back, but am getting the 
 message the operation could not be completed because not all the files are 
 back-up files or something like that. So, I tried copying things I needed 
 individually for the time being. But the focus is all over the place, and 
 the filenames keep changing as I move the arrow keys, and I get constant 
 finder busy messages.
 So, I need a particular bookshare book tomorrow, so I downloaded it again 
 and tried to extract with the unarchiver. I had this set up automatically 
 before the Mavericks upgrade, and can't seem to find in the preferences how 
 to do this again. I selected the folder to extract, and am getting the 
 message: The unarchiver cannot extract content from this type of file. 
 These problems are going to impact me directly at work, so I would sincerely 
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Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

2013-10-27 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Nic.

I use macupdate desktop for updating apps, that I have not purchased from the 
app store. It is an advantage, because some apps is a little difficult to find, 
and macupdate desktop lets me update them just by one click. Macupdate desktop 
will download them and install them. Also these silverlight apps and other 
audio apps, which is a bit tricky. I am really sad, that the app does not work 
now.

Best regards Annie.
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 Sorry I can't answer your question, but perhaps you can answer one of mine. 
 What does the MacUpdate Desktop do? What's the advantage of using it? I have 
 some software from MacUpdate and am often interested in their deals, but 
 wasn't exactly sure why I would want or need the desktop app. Does it allow 
 you to brows, view or purchase new apps?
 Cheers,
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Well, when I am in classic layout, and move down below the horizontal spliter, 
I see the message content area.  This is the case no matter what I try to do 
with the track pad.  Am I correct in guessing that this should not be the case? 
 Also, I just now tried the trick you suggested of tapping and holding my 
finger on the track pad and then moving my finger downward.  Seems to have no 
effect.  Should I do this in classic view or standard view?

I just want to know for sure whether messages are read or unread and want some 
consistant reliablility.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Ray,
 
 What happens if you do VO-Down arrow when you’re on the horizontal splitter? 
 If there’s nothing below it, you’ve got rid of the preview pane.
 
 If that isn’t the case, another way to get rid of it is to route the mouse to 
 the horizontal splitter, then press your finger down on the track pad and 
 drag it downwards a little way. This drags the splitter to the bottom of the 
 screen.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

2013-10-27 Thread John Sanfilippo
Oo, 

Would this work to update dropbox?, I mean, if it works at all?

John S


On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi Nic.

I use macupdate desktop for updating apps, that I have not purchased from the 
app store. It is an advantage, because some apps is a little difficult to find, 
and macupdate desktop lets me update them just by one click. Macupdate desktop 
will download them and install them. Also these silverlight apps and other 
audio apps, which is a bit tricky. I am really sad, that the app does not work 
now.

Best regards Annie.
Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 21:38 skrev Nicholas Parsons 
mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com:

 Sorry I can't answer your question, but perhaps you can answer one of mine. 
 What does the MacUpdate Desktop do? What's the advantage of using it? I have 
 some software from MacUpdate and am often interested in their deals, but 
 wasn't exactly sure why I would want or need the desktop app. Does it allow 
 you to brows, view or purchase new apps?
 Cheers,
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Re: Really need help here, folks, and have gotten not a single response all weekend

2013-10-27 Thread Ricardo Walker
Ah! ok.

Have you tried to migrate your settings and preferences from Mavericks to 
Mountain Lion with the migration assistant in the utilities folder?

Ricardo Walker
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On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thought I did, but the only backup is Mavericks and only one copied folder of 
 files, at least what is visible to me on the drive.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:26 pm, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Shouldn’t you have a backup for Mountain Lion as well?  I’m pretty sure I 
 remember seeing you backed up before updating to Mavericks.  If so, you 
 should be able to ge into your recovery partition, and use your time machine 
 backup from right before you updated to Mavericks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
   To summarize, I downgraded to Mountain Lion after a disastrous experience 
 with Mavericks. However, because my Time Machine backup contained 
 Mavericks, I had to copy and paste all of my files onto the drive as well. 
 After the reinstallation, I attempted to copy the files back, but am 
 getting the message the operation could not be completed because not all 
 the files are back-up files or something like that. So, I tried copying 
 things I needed individually for the time being. But the focus is all over 
 the place, and the filenames keep changing as I move the arrow keys, and I 
 get constant finder busy messages.
 So, I need a particular bookshare book tomorrow, so I downloaded it again 
 and tried to extract with the unarchiver. I had this set up automatically 
 before the Mavericks upgrade, and can't seem to find in the preferences how 
 to do this again. I selected the folder to extract, and am getting the 
 message: The unarchiver cannot extract content from this type of file. 
 These problems are going to impact me directly at work, so I would 
 sincerely appreciate assistance.
 Christinesome of the files are backup
 
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Re: no longer told if messages are read and unread

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
in reply to myself, I think, but still not quite sure, that I did it.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, when I am in classic layout, and move down below the horizontal 
 spliter, I see the message content area.  This is the case no matter what I 
 try to do with the track pad.  Am I correct in guessing that this should not 
 be the case?  Also, I just now tried the trick you suggested of tapping and 
 holding my finger on the track pad and then moving my finger downward.  Seems 
 to have no effect.  Should I do this in classic view or standard view?
 
 I just want to know for sure whether messages are read or unread and want 
 some consistant reliablility.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 What happens if you do VO-Down arrow when you’re on the horizontal splitter? 
 If there’s nothing below it, you’ve got rid of the preview pane.
 
 If that isn’t the case, another way to get rid of it is to route the mouse 
 to the horizontal splitter, then press your finger down on the track pad and 
 drag it downwards a little way. This drags the splitter to the bottom of the 
 screen.
 
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1 password podcasts

2013-10-27 Thread Graham Roby
Hi,

Can anyone point me to where I might find any podcasts on using 1 password with 
VoiceOver? 

I looked on applevis and to my surprise couldn't find any.

Kind regards

Graham


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Nest 2nd gen thermostat

2013-10-27 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi guys:
Does anyone know if the Nest 2nd gen thermostat is accessible? I just saw it in 
the apple store. Looks neet.

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Daniela Rubio
Hi all:
About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen menu. If 
we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context menu shows 
up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have really 
gone away.
Hope it helps!

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iPhone: +34662328507



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escribió:

 If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Daniela,

I think what you’re referring to are merge cells in tables. What’s bothering me 
is the lack of merge fields in normal text. There’s now no apparent way to 
bring addresses in from Contacts, for instance. The fields in my existing 
templates have now become placeholder text which means typing addresses in 
manually.

The only way I’ve found to ascertain the current paragraph style is to go to 
the paragraph style button, do VO-Shift-c then go to the Finder and press the 
short cut I’ve created for Show clipboard. For some strange reason, VoiceOver 
doesn’t read the current style, but the command Copy last phrase to clipboard, 
actually picks up the name of the paragraph style. This is the only situation 
in which I’ve found that command to pick up something other than what was 
spoken by VoiceOver.

I’m going through all the Pages training material we use and updating it for 
this new version so who knows what I’ll find in the coming days.

Cheers,

Anne


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 Hi all:
 About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
 To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen menu. 
 If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context menu 
 shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
 About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have really 
 gone away.
 Hope it helps!
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
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Re: Some useful Mac keyboard shortcuts

2013-10-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Have you switched the FN key from the default? If not, press FN-Ctrl-F2.

Cheers,

Anne
 

On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:28, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Chris. I don’t know why, but my system bonks every time I try using the 
 control+F2 command.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White Mac Book
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Open the menu bar - control f2
 open the dock - control f3
 open the status menu (Lion) and extras menu (Mountain Lion or later) - 
 control f8
 These work even with VoiceOver off.
 
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Some Experimentation.

2013-10-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello All.

While you’ve all been writing your messages, I’ve been playing with mail.

I actually have tried all of your suggestions about Mail and thus far, I don’t 
know what I like or dislike.

At the moment, I have mail in full mode, command control F and when I land on a 
table, I interact, and vo down arrow.  My messages get read automatically.  I 
still can’t get rid of the Splitter although I’ve followed everyone’s steps.  
Although I’ve turned off tool bar and favourite bar, both things are still 
showing.  Can’t get rid of embedded yet.

Kawal.

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Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)

2013-10-27 Thread BBS
Nick, what I’ve done for all the voices, including Alex and the Vocalizer 
Expressive voices, instead of having it change pitch for capital letters, I 
have it beep for capital letters. I prefer this behavior because the pitch 
changes are freaky.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

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wrote:

 HI Traci,
 By default, Alex should just change pitch when reading a capital letter but 
 should not say the word capital. This makes reading all caps much easier as 
 you don't get all the unnecessary extra words. The other voices, however, 
 will say capital and change pitch as well, which is unnecessarily verbose 
 given that the pitch change is sufficient.
 Cheers,
 Nic
 
 On 28/10/2013, at 6:34 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, I don’t believe there are any new Australian voices.  Just Lee  Karen.
 
 AS far as the capitol goes, Oliver (the new UK voice), reads capitol T, the 
 same as Compact Samantha.
 
 Oddly enough, Alex didn’t indicate capitol or lower-case.  I wonder if that 
 is a setting I have created?
 
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Re: Pandora, edit station details

2013-10-27 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Traci,
You can delete a station from within Piano Pub.  Select the station by double 
clicking with the track pad like you would do to play it.  Then, stop 
interacting with the stations table and VO+right arrow until you hear Dash 
button.  This lets you delete the station.

Hope this helps.

-Greg


On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, thanks for the feedback.  :)
 
 I’m in the US and I’m enjoying iRadio, but so far, Pandora is winning me 
 over.  I use it just fine on my iDevices.  For now, piano pub will have to 
 suffice on the Mac.
 
 Thanks again,
 Traci
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Traci,
 
 It is a very unpleasant sight to deal with.  I don’t understand why you 
 aren’t seeing anything however.  You should be able to find a lot of 
 clickable elements with vo.  You do have to have flash installed, but if you 
 don’t, I would think you would be getting a screen telling you as much.  You 
 might try hitting space bar just to see if it stops or starts playing.
 
 I don’t know where you are, but if you can use iTunes radio, I would 
 strongly recommend doing that.
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 When you say the web player, do you mean navigating to pandora.com?
 
 Whenever I go there, I can’t get anywhere.  There is a splash screen at the 
 top that I’m unable to do anything with.  How do you log in to begin playing?
 
 I don’t have flash installed, do you?
 
 Thanks,
 Traci
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Traci,
 
 It has occurred to me that I might should have gone in to a little more 
 detail. I’m assuming you are using the web player.
 
 Click options then station details.  I’m assuming that at this point what I 
 described earlier is still true.  It looks the same to me anyway.  I also 
 noticed after checking it out jest now, that it isn’t in the profile 
 section as it use to be.
 Hope that helps.
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, which app are you using for Pandora?
 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Traci,
 
 There is a button to the right of the heading that it invisible to 
 Voiceover.  When I used Pandora, the only way I found to delete seeds or 
 thumbs is to put vo on the heading, route the mouse to it, then move the 
 mouse over to the right until clicking would remove what I was wanting.  
 It takes some trial and error.
 
 
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 Hello,
 
 Does anyone know of a way to edit their Pandora stations on the Mac?  I 
 want to go in and delete some of my station seeds.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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I think vertical splitter is gone.

2013-10-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi.

I think I got rid of the splitter by doing the following.

1. vo command f5 on the vertical splitter.

2. vo, shift spacebar and I heard the mouse go click.

I also have classic view unchecked.  So what is my mail in now?

Kawal.

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Another way of reading mail.

2013-10-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I’ve just discovered something else which I think is cool.

Interact with the message table, find the message you want to read, interact 
with the message again without opening it and Voice over starts reading the 
message automatically.

Any one found that yet?

Kawal.

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Re: Some useful Mac keyboard shortcuts

2013-10-27 Thread BBS
Hi Ann. Yes I have.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Have you switched the FN key from the default? If not, press FN-Ctrl-F2.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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 Hi Chris. I don’t know why, but my system bonks every time I try using the 
 control+F2 command.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White Mac Book
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Open the menu bar - control f2
 open the dock - control f3
 open the status menu (Lion) and extras menu (Mountain Lion or later) - 
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Re: Nest 2nd gen thermostat

2013-10-27 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Sarai,

My husband and I have the nest second Gen.  It's kind of accessible via the 
iPhone app, but it's got some pretty significant limitations.  Using the App, 
you can change the temperature, and take it off Away mode.  But you cannot turn 
it on and off, you cannot switch it from heat to cool.  the website is kind of 
usable, but not particularly friendly, I have written to them requesting that 
they improve their accessibility, but have received no response, and since last 
May there have been no updates in the iPhone app.

I wouldn't say not to get it, but I would say don't expect to use it completely 
without sighted assistance.
Cheers,
Donna
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 Does anyone know if the Nest 2nd gen thermostat is accessible? I just saw it 
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Re: upgrading, downgrading, choices oh my!

2013-10-27 Thread BBS
Hi John. That depends. Have you made a bootable copy of Lion? If not, and if 
you upgrade to Mavericks, you’re pretty much screwed because Lion isn’t in the 
App Store anymore.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:13 AM, John D. Lipsey johnl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all:
 
 I'm considering upgrading my 2010 Macbook from Lion to Mavericks. Various 
 people have told me my little old macbook should support the upgrade well 
 enough, and it may run the new OS better than Lion.
 
 If this is not the case, or if I'm just ridiculously dissatisfied with mail 
 and GMail, how easy is it to downgrade? Are there step-by-step instructions 
 on downgrading somewhere?
 
 Also and somewhat related, I'm planning on giving this macbook to my brother 
 once I purchase a new macbook air.  What is the easiest way to remove all of 
 my content, so my brother essentially gets a new machine with an OS on it?
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: Another way of reading mail.

2013-10-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
No, and I still cannot tell whether my messages are read or unread.  How the 
hell to fix this?  Done everything evybody said to do and no good at all.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 I’ve just discovered something else which I think is cool.
 
 Interact with the message table, find the message you want to read, interact 
 with the message again without opening it and Voice over starts reading the 
 message automatically.
 
 Any one found that yet?
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Nest 2nd gen thermostat

2013-10-27 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
So how do you switch from heat to cool?
On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Sarai,
 
 My husband and I have the nest second Gen.  It's kind of accessible via the 
 iPhone app, but it's got some pretty significant limitations.  Using the App, 
 you can change the temperature, and take it off Away mode.  But you cannot 
 turn it on and off, you cannot switch it from heat to cool.  the website is 
 kind of usable, but not particularly friendly, I have written to them 
 requesting that they improve their accessibility, but have received no 
 response, and since last May there have been no updates in the iPhone app.
 
 I wouldn't say not to get it, but I would say don't expect to use it 
 completely without sighted assistance.
 Cheers,
 Donna
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 wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 Does anyone know if the Nest 2nd gen thermostat is accessible? I just saw it 
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Taptap C Question.

2013-10-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello,

I have a Taptap C question.

As you all know, there is a bleep when you focus on something.  What I'd like 
toknow, canyou use Taptap C to take mainstream pictures rather than the camera? 
 If not, how do you get Voice Over to tell you for instance, how many people in 
focus and how does Voice Over tell you if something is blured?

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: Taptap C Question.

2013-10-27 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
Yes you can.
On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I have a Taptap C question.
 
 As you all know, there is a bleep when you focus on something.  What I'd like 
 toknow, canyou use Taptap C to take mainstream pictures rather than the 
 camera?  If not, how do you get Voice Over to tell you for instance, how many 
 people in focus and how does Voice Over tell you if something is blured?
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Another way of reading mail.

2013-10-27 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Ray!
Ok I've heard your post's and I think from what I gather the part your missing 
is you have to put the mouse on the splitter not below it!
I'm sorry if that is what you've been doing but from what you've been saying it 
sounds like you have not!
And if that is the case sit on the splitter and try the suggestions to get rid 
of it then!
HTH Colin

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 No, and I still cannot tell whether my messages are read or unread.  How the 
 hell to fix this?  Done everything evybody said to do and no good at all.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 I’ve just discovered something else which I think is cool.
 
 Interact with the message table, find the message you want to read, interact 
 with the message again without opening it and Voice over starts reading the 
 message automatically.
 
 Any one found that yet?
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

2013-10-27 Thread Barry Hadder
Anne,

You can just interact with the button to read the button title.  That is the 
currently selected style.  I guess you have to dumb down like me to figure 
things like that out. :)

What is happening is that voiceover isn’t reading the title of the button at 
all.  For some reason a developer at Apple thought it would be more helpful for 
Voiceover users to set the accessibility description.  Whenever that is set, vo 
will read it instead of the actual button title.

cheers.


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Hello Daniela,

I think what you’re referring to are merge cells in tables. What’s bothering me 
is the lack of merge fields in normal text. There’s now no apparent way to 
bring addresses in from Contacts, for instance. The fields in my existing 
templates have now become placeholder text which means typing addresses in 
manually.

The only way I’ve found to ascertain the current paragraph style is to go to 
the paragraph style button, do VO-Shift-c then go to the Finder and press the 
short cut I’ve created for Show clipboard. For some strange reason, VoiceOver 
doesn’t read the current style, but the command Copy last phrase to clipboard, 
actually picks up the name of the paragraph style. This is the only situation 
in which I’ve found that command to pick up something other than what was 
spoken by VoiceOver.

I’m going through all the Pages training material we use and updating it for 
this new version so who knows what I’ll find in the coming days.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 Oct 2013, at 22:32, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all:
 About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
 To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen menu. 
 If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context menu 
 shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
 About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have really 
 gone away.
 Hope it helps!
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
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 escribió:
 
 If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
 formatting?
 
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Re: Nest 2nd gen thermostat

2013-10-27 Thread Donna Goodin
The only way you can is if it has been turned off.  then you can go into the 
app, and tell it which one you want.  Otherwise you can't.
Donna
On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi:
 So how do you switch from heat to cool?
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Sarai,
 
 My husband and I have the nest second Gen.  It's kind of accessible via the 
 iPhone app, but it's got some pretty significant limitations.  Using the 
 App, you can change the temperature, and take it off Away mode.  But you 
 cannot turn it on and off, you cannot switch it from heat to cool.  the 
 website is kind of usable, but not particularly friendly, I have written to 
 them requesting that they improve their accessibility, but have received no 
 response, and since last May there have been no updates in the iPhone app.
 
 I wouldn't say not to get it, but I would say don't expect to use it 
 completely without sighted assistance.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 Does anyone know if the Nest 2nd gen thermostat is accessible? I just saw 
 it in the apple store. Looks neet.
 
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Re: Really need help here, folks, and have gotten not a single response all weekend

2013-10-27 Thread Christine Grassman
OK. It appears that the problem is resolved as far as moving the documents 
over: I isolated and unhighlighted the back-up file, then copied over, and it 
seems to have worked. Now, though, my second big problem: my bookshare books 
are showing empty html when I open the xml files. I tried using The unarchiver 
on the original files, but it isn't prompting me for a password or anything, 
and keeps saying it can't extract from these files. I also cannot locate 
anywhere within the unarchiver preferences where to have bookshare books 
automatically extracted. I looked on bookshare's support link, and even though 
I am logged in and my task bar is showing, it keeps telling me my session has 
timed out, so I can't locate any FAQs for troubleshooting. If someone could 
help me out here, I would really appreciate it. (I have all file types selected 
in the unarchiver preferences.

My third biggest problem is that when VO is reading, it keeps cutting off in 
the middle of words, and is sluggish when reading text continuously. When I 
brought it to Apple, they ran several diagnostic tests, said all was well, and 
that memory was not an issue.  )

Christine

On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah! ok.
 
 Have you tried to migrate your settings and preferences from Mavericks to 
 Mountain Lion with the migration assistant in the utilities folder?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thought I did, but the only backup is Mavericks and only one copied folder 
 of files, at least what is visible to me on the drive.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:26 pm, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Shouldn’t you have a backup for Mountain Lion as well?  I’m pretty sure I 
 remember seeing you backed up before updating to Mavericks.  If so, you 
 should be able to ge into your recovery partition, and use your time 
 machine backup from right before you updated to Mavericks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  To summarize, I downgraded to Mountain Lion after a disastrous experience 
 with Mavericks. However, because my Time Machine backup contained 
 Mavericks, I had to copy and paste all of my files onto the drive as well. 
 After the reinstallation, I attempted to copy the files back, but am 
 getting the message the operation could not be completed because not all 
 the files are back-up files or something like that. So, I tried copying 
 things I needed individually for the time being. But the focus is all over 
 the place, and the filenames keep changing as I move the arrow keys, and I 
 get constant finder busy messages.
 So, I need a particular bookshare book tomorrow, so I downloaded it again 
 and tried to extract with the unarchiver. I had this set up automatically 
 before the Mavericks upgrade, and can't seem to find in the preferences 
 how to do this again. I selected the folder to extract, and am getting the 
 message: The unarchiver cannot extract content from this type of file. 
 These problems are going to impact me directly at work, so I would 
 sincerely appreciate assistance.
 Christinesome of the files are backup
 
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Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

2013-10-27 Thread Daniel C
I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk doesn't 
show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, amazingly, it creates the 
disk just fine.

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Yet another pain in the neck trying to set up my MacBook after reinstallation

2013-10-27 Thread Christine Grassman
I am trying to have VoiceOver start at log-in. I went into Users and 
Groups and selected Log-in options. VoiceOver is nowhere to be found. The only 
thing I am seeing is Speech Synthesis Server. Is this what VO is called now -- 
when I set this up over two years ago, I am pretty darn sure it said 
VoiceOver -- as it does everywhere else when VO is referenced. 
Christine

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Re: Logos progrm on Mac or iPad

2013-10-27 Thread Vinny Pedulla

   Hi Mike and Helena,
I just tried Logos 5 on my iPad and it's slightly more accessible than the 
iPhone app. Both let you read the text of each book. It's just a little 
tricky bringing up the resource area. Once you are on it though, you can do 
a two finger swipe down and VO will read each page and scroll to the next 
page.
The difference with the iPad app is that the screen layout is more 
accessible. VO speaks more items and doesn't loose focus as much as the 
iPhone app does.
As for the Mac app, so far it's not as accessible. You can bring up a book 
and have the program read back to you, however, VO cannot access the text.

I also have it running on Windows 7 with a little more success.
Right now your best bet is either the website biblia.com or running the iOS 
apps. You can access all your books and read them either with speech or a 
braille display. You can even do searches and bring up bible passages. I am 
working with the developers at Logos to make all their apps accessible. The 
iOS apps were made accessible recently and I have been talking to the 
Windows programmer to make it more accessible as well. The last area we need 
to push them on is the Mac. I did send them Apple's guidelines and gave them 
feedback as to what needed to be fixed.
It might be helpful if we continue to email them about getting the Mac 
version accessible. Currently the main issue is just like Accordance: most 
things work accept reading the actual text.
Feel free to write me off list for some work arounds and the contacts at 
Logos.

Vinny
PS If you need access to bibles and resources, contact Optasia Ministry
http://www.optasiaministry.org
They provide simple text files that can be viewed on both Mac and Windows as 
well as all the braille notetakers.


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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Logos progrm on Mac or iPad


Last I checked, these programs were not very accessible, but there is a 
work around. If you go to http://biblia.com you can log in with 
your email address and password and read your purchased books in your web 
browser. If you do this on a desktop computer, choose the option to switch 
to mobile view. This will disable the automatic scrolling which will make 
each section easier to read.

Original message:
Hi, all! Does anyone know if the logos bible program is accessible with 
VoiceOver either on the Mac or the iPad? I could use this program, or at 
least something like it for Bible-studies and such things, cause I'm 
going to a Bible college. I have three bible programs on my computer, and 
none of them work; the accordance program is completely inaccessible; you 
can do everything with it except get VoiceOver to read the Bible (Sheesh, 
what else is a Bible program for if you can't actually read the Bible on 
the darned thing), and my River Bible program doesn't work at all, and 
neither does MacSword, at least not with Mavericks.  (It just barely 
worked the last time, never mind now; it won't even launch, and with the 
river Bible, it just keeps crashing and saying that there's a problem 
report). I really need something that'll work soon, so if someone can 
tell me what to do, that'l be awesome. I'm leaving for a Mission Exposure 
trip in January, and if my computer won't work, I pretty much won't be 
able to take my Bible with me, except the ones on my iPhone, but the 
iPhone ones go crazy after awhile when I have no service; either that or 
they work so slowly it takes forever to find one passage. Does anyone 
have an iPad they'd like to get rid of? I'd want it to be in decent shape 
obviously, but I'd be willing to pay a decent price for it, and if all 
the cases and what-not could come with it too, that'd be all the more 
awesome, and my professor promised to bring his iPad to school and he has 
logos on it, so hopefully we'll be able to find out if it works with 
VoiceOver, which I don't think it did on my phone. Sorry, but I'm kind of 
desperate, cause my braille Bible's huge, and you'd pretty much need a 
van or a decent sized car to carry it alone, never mind me and my other 
stuff and the rest of our group, so I can't take it along on the mission 
exposure trip.

Thanks!



God Bless!!!
Helena


May The Lord Bless you and keep you; May his face radiate with joy 
because of you' May He be gracious to you, show you His favour, and give 
you His peace.

(Numbers 6;24)



In Jesus' Name.
Amen



Helena Fehr
helena.torch.li...@gmail.com





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Re: Yet another pain in the neck trying to set up my MacBook after reinstallation

2013-10-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

When in the Users  Groups pane, Interact with the Users, Groups  Login 
Options List area.  Navigate to the bottom item which is Login Options.  Stop 
Interacting with the List area, then navigate right a number of times to the 
checkbox for using VoiceOver in the Login Screen.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

   I am trying to have VoiceOver start at log-in. I went into Users and 
 Groups and selected Log-in options. VoiceOver is nowhere to be found. The 
 only thing I am seeing is Speech Synthesis Server. Is this what VO is called 
 now -- when I set this up over two years ago, I am pretty darn sure it said 
 VoiceOver -- as it does everywhere else when VO is referenced. 
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Re: cannot use the same user account and other upgrade issues

2013-10-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

If you are using the Migration Assistant when setting up your machine, it will 
not allow you to create a new User account with the same name, especially the 
same Short Name, as an existing user on the original system.  It will normally 
allow you past this either by you giving it a different name or by the system 
placing a “1” after the new Username, thus creating a different name for 
itself.  There are also some reserved names like “Admin” and “Staff” that are 
not allowed to be used when creating user accounts.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Reinhard Stebner raydar11...@yahoo.com wrote:

 When setting up the computer it wants me to setup a user account and I want 
 to sue my account that is already setup on the machine but it will not let 
 me. It also complains about the account name of the computer. How do I get 
 past this? The error I receive is this name cannot be used. I receive this 
 error every time I attempt to setup the computer
 
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Re: Google Drive and Mavericks

2013-10-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I haven’t found any other method.  I usually use the web interface for this.  
If you go to the Drive link from your Google Home page, then locate the list of 
items in your Google Drive.  Arrow down through the list so that VO announces 
the various items, when you land on your folder, press the “x” key to select.  
You should then be able to get out of the Table, navigate left and locate the 
Share button.  This will open a dialog where you can enter the people you wish 
the items shared with.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Emilio Hernandez emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 Upon my installation of Mavericks I have learned that sharing a folder with 
 another person using the Google Drive client is no longer possible.
 Accessing this “sharing” feature from the web site is proving difficult.
 Therefore, does anyone have any viable solution how I can share a newly 
 created folder with another person?
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Yet another pain in the neck trying to set up my MacBook after reinstallation

2013-10-27 Thread Christine Grassman
Tim, absolutely everything there is saying dimmed -- use VoiceOver at login 
is saying dimmed unchecked check box and any attempt to change it is doing 
nothing. 
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 When in the Users  Groups pane, Interact with the Users, Groups  Login 
 Options List area.  Navigate to the bottom item which is Login Options.  Stop 
 Interacting with the List area, then navigate right a number of times to the 
 checkbox for using VoiceOver in the Login Screen.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  I am trying to have VoiceOver start at log-in. I went into Users and 
 Groups and selected Log-in options. VoiceOver is nowhere to be found. The 
 only thing I am seeing is Speech Synthesis Server. Is this what VO is called 
 now -- when I set this up over two years ago, I am pretty darn sure it said 
 VoiceOver -- as it does everywhere else when VO is referenced. 
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Use iOS shortcuts in Mavericks

2013-10-27 Thread Mike
Hey everyone,
In case you didn’t know yet, if you have an iOS device and a mac you 
can now use the shortcuts you set up on iOS in Mavericks.
You can set up the shortcuts in Settings/General/Keyboard/Shortcuts, and once 
you have them set up they will work on your device and your Mac. This is quite 
helpful for email signatures, common phrases, and anything else you type 
frequently.
If you’re interested here’s a link to my website that has a short recording and 
write up about it.
http://htb2.com/2013/10/to-the-point-5-using-ios-shortcuts-in-mavericks/

Have a good night!

Mike M
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