Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Drove the E420 back from Memphis y'day.  The platinum plugs appreciated the
nice five hour interstate runs to-from Memphis, as the usual 15 mile daily
commute was getting them gunked up and grumpy...

-MMM-

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:02 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > I would start earlier if it wasn't for everyone else being asleep and it
> waking them up.
> > Got the floor jack rebuilt. Replaced the seal on the ram from my HF $8
> box of O rings. Nice.
> > The rapid rise feature still doesn't work. Not sure why, but there's a
> tool forum that has a section on floor jacks with a guy who is really well
> versed on them, so I'm going to ask him and see if he knows.
> > Otherwise, it seems to work well and doesn't leak. Yea!
> > Dan
> ...
> Mine didn't work either until I greased the external parts of the quick
> rise mechanism. Seemed to be a lot of friction from poorly machined parts.
> It has worked well ever since.
> Gerry
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[MBZ] latest 1982 300td ac saga

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

Folks,

i did a stupid thing but it;s fixed now.

After the r4 ac compressor blew its housing a month ago, i had to fix it. I 
bought a compressor on amazon and a receiver drier on ebay or somewhere and 
found some more straight mineral oil and assorted seals and orings and etc.

I went to my ac expert. He hung the compressor and i hung the receiver. He's 
younger than my 61 years and refuses to wear glasses. We were working at his 
place about 40 miles north of here. We evacuated and charged the system with 
some of my r12 stash.

About 10 miles south of him, headed to athens, i stopped for a few minutes and 
then when i started again, NO AC. I stopped and looked at it and saw that the 
ac belt had broken but the compressor was still free.

The next day we tried to install the belt and noticed that the pulleys didn't  
line up. A little research by looking at some of my failed compressors 
determined that the R4 installed on the Benz had an incorrect pulley for a 
benz. So, the AC guy who refuses to wear reading glasses installed the 
compressor with a pulley that was a belt width off alignment …. a guaranteed 
failure.

SO, since i didn't want to pull the compressor and recharge the system, i 
started studying how to remove the pulley. The compressor i bought was just 
some random r4 for a GM application. I thought they all had the same pulley 
setup. Anyway, i watched some videos by BOB on youtube about removing and 
installing the clutch and pulley. 

Fortunately, auto zone has LOTS of ac tools to borrow. I got a bunch of pullers 
and such and easily took one apart on the bench.

Can it be done in the  car …. Yes, with some effort. I had to remove the 
radiator and then there is just enough room. There are a bunch of details. … 
snap rings and beys in the shaft. So, probably 12 man hours later or more (not 
including time researching the procedures) i am back on the road with ice cold 
AC.

So, i was stupid for buying the wrong part.

My AC guy was even stupider for installing it 

And i was even stupider that that for not comparing old and new part and not 
inspecting the job better.

He DOES do a good job …. his work has held pressure (no freon added) for the 3 
or 4 year life that is the max i've ever gotten out of an R4

Take heed and learn from my mistakes.


No animals were harmed and no freon was vented.

Now i'm off to Tupelo MS to deliver a 1500 lb printing press as soon as i get 
the press ready and loaded. I hate hauling the ones that are that heavy.



thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> There is no heat requirement.  I use low wattage (?)
> seedling heat pads...

A heating pad is a heater.

> ... that draw almost no current.

"almost no current" when there is 115 VAC in the wall outlet
is not the same as battery power! 

> Typically these:
> http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-MT10006--19-1-2-Inch-Seedling/dp/B0001WV010/

That page reports "The Seedling Heat Mat uses 17 watts".

With a 100% efficient inverter and 12 VDC battery, that will
draw about 1.5 amps.  

Figuring on inverter losses, etc., lets round that off to 2 A.

To run one for 24 hours would require (2 x 24) 48 Amp-Hours (Ah).

Since this would be about the time of the spring equinox,
there should be about 12 hours of sunlight.  That is NOT 12
hours of max output from a photo-voltaic panel, but I'll
ignore that for now.  I expect you will want the pv panel to
run the heater _and_ charge the battery, so it will need at
least 4 A output - or about 50 W.

Since it is never good to let a wet cell run all the way
down, and to allow for decreased capacity over time, that
would suggest a 50 Ah battery to effectively power one
heater overnight.  (24 Ah draw from a 2 A load for 12 hours -
rounded up.)

That amounts to a 20 W inverter, a 50 W pv panel, and a 50 Ah
battery - for each heating pad.  A quick look at Amazon for
prices results in almost $500 to run two heat pads.

How many do you use?  How much to run an AC power cord?

 #  DISCLAIMER  #
This is just a mental exercise on my part
In NO way do I recommend, endorse, or 
make any claim as whether these products
are appropriate to work together or will
achieve any implied performance target.

Prices:
$220 for a 100 W pv panel and charge controller
http://www.amazon.com/RENOGY%C2%AE-Solar-Panel-Starter-Monocrystalline/dp/B00VSHFP6I/

$245 for a 100 Ah battery
http://www.amazon.com/Vmaxtanks-VMAXSLR100-Sealed-battery-Solar/dp/B00B79CNKS/

$20 for a 50 W inverter
http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PINV11-Power-Inverter-Modified/dp/B00HWSXWGW/

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Re: [MBZ] latest 1982 300td ac saga

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rick wrote:
> 
> Now i'm off to Tupelo MS to deliver a 1500 lb printing
> press as soon as i get the press ready and loaded. I hate
> hauling the ones that are that heavy.

Look on the bright side - you get an Italian Tuneup on every
little hill an rise!   I hope your brakes are in good shape.

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Re: [MBZ] A surprise when I opened the trunk lid ...

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I was indeed surprised to find the spare tire in the condition shown in
the attached picture. It had not seen the ground in years, yet it
spontaneously shed its tread. I'm glad I wasn't driving on it when it
happened. I'm also very glad I didn't discover it when I needed to use
the spare.

Maybe saying an old tire should not be used is valid after all.

Now I need to get a new spare.


Craig

P.S. Our car's odometer displayed another palindrome today: 280082.
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Pretty old tar.   I think Armstrong's been dead for ~20 years or so. 
Probably not a big surprise it came apart.


This spring one of my 17 yr old farstones came apart.  It was not unexpected.

This summer one of the ~40 yr old tractor tars disintegrated at the 
bead.  (steel inside rusted to dust)


The old WWII vintage S-3 synthetic rubber compound tars would last 
for 40-50 years.  Most tars now are unsafe after 8-10 years.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

‎Philip writes:


A quick look at Amazon for
prices results in almost $500 to >run two heat pads.


Which is why, without subsidies, solar makes NO economic sense. 


Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated watt.
So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring, inverter, etc.
My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the lifetime
of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5 years.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm not sure I understand. There's nothing external to my pump that would be 
involved with a quick rise function. It's got something to do with the valving.

Dan

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I would start earlier if it wasn't for everyone else being asleep and it 
>> waking them up.
>> Got the floor jack rebuilt. Replaced the seal on the ram from my HF $8 box 
>> of O rings. Nice.
>> The rapid rise feature still doesn't work. Not sure why, but there's a tool 
>> forum that has a section on floor jacks with a guy who is really well versed 
>> on them, so I'm going to ask him and see if he knows.
>> Otherwise, it seems to work well and doesn't leak. Yea!
>> Dan
> ...
> Mine didn't work either until I greased the external parts of the quick rise 
> mechanism. Seemed to be a lot of friction from poorly machined parts.
> It has worked well ever since.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

All you really need are a couple of group 49 or 93 batteries, a battery charger
and a cheap inverter. 

Every morning and evening, put a freshly charged battery in the shed and take
the other one to
the house and put it on the charger. Consider it free exercise carrying 50lb
batteries around. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Philip writes:

>A quick look at Amazon for
>prices results in almost $500 to >run two heat pads.

Which is why, without subsidies, solar makes NO economic sense. 
‎
Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
  

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Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I would start earlier if it wasn't for everyone else being asleep 
and it waking them up.


Got the floor jack rebuilt. Replaced the seal on the ram from my HF 
$8 box of O rings. Nice.


The rapid rise feature still doesn't work. Not sure why, but there's 
a tool forum that has a section on floor jacks with a guy who is 
really well versed on them, so I'm going to ask him and see if he 
knows.


Otherwise, it seems to work well and doesn't leak. Yea!

Dan


waytago

I assume the rapid jack is similar to a two stage hyd pump often used 
in things like a log splitter.  in that, there are actually 2 pumps. 
one high volume low pressure, and one lower volume, higher pressure. 
At the set pressure, the pump shifts from one pump to the other.  On 
those pumps, I think it is done with a valve or valves that shift the 
fluid flow from one side to the other.


Probably aa rusty stuck valve or shot orings that allow the oil by so 
it does not shift.


I'd guess all it needs is cleaning and new orings.  (outta the same $8 HF set)

I "fixed" those by buying a new pump from Northern Tool when the 
internal leakage got too high.


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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Grant lives in the desert.  Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with
whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably
500 miles away...

;) Of course.  I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted"
> signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid
> to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and
> Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there
> because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot
> in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go
> there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online.
> Their customer service sucks.
> The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them"
> which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of
> mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says
> they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really
> wants to work.
> Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the
> entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to
> be CEO in 2 years...
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
>
> Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been
> cooked.
>
> Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the
> closed businesses.
>
> The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by
> new industry.
>
> "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are
> scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are
> flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined..
>
> Doesn't fly...
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody
> would
> > > be in prison.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> > >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> > >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> > >
> > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> > > years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> > > improve
> > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend
> > on
> > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been
> > hoping
> > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Grant wrote:
> ...someone in China will take the order, along with others, buy some scrap, 
> smelt it
> down, make new parts, and ship one to me...

RONG!!!
Someone tell Grant his email has been hacked!!
The real Grant does not see China!!
i.e. smelt metal from China for parts? - that is not the Grant I know.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would be 
> in prison.
>

Aren't we?
...in prison?...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"Tulip poplar" as you know is a misnomer for Liriodendron, a member of the
magnolia family.  Fast growing but basically useless tree except for shade;
has a love affair with lightning due to high H20 content.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/09/2015 8:22 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the insights.  Looks like I may simply run an extension cord
>> across the back 40 to the shed for the 2 week incubation period..
>>
>>
>> BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> Good news is that the influx of new material will result in better quality 
> metals for awhile. Using all scrap gradually degrades production...
>

sCrap also degrades life, i.e. worldwide temperature increase.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm not sure "truthful information" really exists anymore. I read both sides 
and figure they're both lying about 50%. The Dems say the economy is plugging 
along swimmingly and with more government intervention we'll have a utopia. The 
Republicans say everything sucks and until every last liberal is shot and 
buried and companies are allowed to run roughshod over everything God will 
continue to bring his wrath down upon us.
I take from that if we basically leave things alone it'll probably be alright. 
So far I've yet to be proven wrong.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
   
Grant lives in the desert.  Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with whom 
he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably 500 miles 
away...

;) Of course.  I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously.  



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" 
signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid to 
realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and Home 
Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there because 
they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot in 
frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go there 
other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online. Their 
customer service sucks.
The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" which is 
where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of mine runs a fish 
farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says they can't keep staff 
and have a hard time finding anybody that really wants to work.
Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the entitlement 
culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to be CEO in 2 
years...
-Curt

      From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been
cooked.

Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the
closed businesses.

The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by
new industry.

"Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are
scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are
flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined..

Doesn't fly...

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would
> > be in prison.
> > -Curt
> >
> >      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> >
> > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> > years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> > improve
> > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend
> on
> > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been
> hoping
> > > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Actually Andrew my room mate died last November she now votes
Democrat..

Use of the words "truth" and "democrat" or "republican" in the same
sentence is, I believe, an "un-truth" in action.

I'm sure I could introduce you to many interesting geological formations in
the some 5,000 ft of old mine shafts on the Ranch. Since you live where the
sun never shines [DC], the deep underground dark shouldn't be to radical of
a change.. ha.. ;)


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grant lives in the desert.  Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with
> whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably
> 500 miles away...
>
> ;) Of course.  I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted"
> > signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too
> stupid
> > to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and
> > Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go
> there
> > because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home
> Depot
> > in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to
> go
> > there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or
> online.
> > Their customer service sucks.
> > The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them"
> > which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of
> > mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he
> says
> > they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really
> > wants to work.
> > Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the
> > entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going
> to
> > be CEO in 2 years...
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: G Mann via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: G Mann 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> >
> > Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been
> > cooked.
> >
> > Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the
> > closed businesses.
> >
> > The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by
> > new industry.
> >
> > "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are
> > scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are
> > flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined..
> >
> > Doesn't fly...
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody
> > would
> > > > be in prison.
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > >  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> > > >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> > > >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
> > > >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> > > >
> > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> > > > years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
> > > >
> > > > --R
> > > >
> > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> > > > improve
> > > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and
> spend
> > > on
> > > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad
> business
> > > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been
> > > hoping
> > > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

andrew sez: Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!


Wow!  I thought you had a kolledge debree!  You sure fall for the 
ministry of propaganda line.


Almost 100 million out of 350 million are unemployed.  You do the 
math.  It ain't 5%.


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Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have done further study, and it appears that there is valving that controls 
this feature.  I’m going to tinker with it to see if I can get the feature to 
return.

Dan


> On Sep 8, 2015, at 3:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I think that when the external force required to move the lift pad is too
> high, it goes slow. So, if you lube the whole thing, you can eliminate that
> as the cause, or you've just fixed it with a few blasts of your favorite
> aerosol lubricant. If this fixes it, then use a good grease for longer
> lasting lubrication.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure I understand. There's nothing external to my pump that would
>> be involved with a quick rise function. It's got something to do with the
>> valving.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> ...
>>> Mine didn't work either until I greased the external parts of the quick
>> rise mechanism. Seemed to be a lot of friction from poorly machined parts.
>>> It has worked well ever since.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 'ello?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

... wrote:
> (To be continued...)

Yes, please.
Keep up the good work!!  Write often, thanks!
This might even be fun?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Speaking of jobs, there's a growing need for diesel mechanics, esp. in
Idaho:

http://magicvalley.com/news/local/mini-cassia/crtc-lauches-diesel-tech-program/article_e5ff8b8f-2b5d-57ba-bd2a-5b99fe3043d9.html

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure "truthful information" really exists anymore. I read both
> sides and figure they're both lying about 50%. The Dems say the economy is
> plugging along swimmingly and with more government intervention we'll have
> a utopia. The Republicans say everything sucks and until every last liberal
> is shot and buried and companies are allowed to run roughshod over
> everything God will continue to bring his wrath down upon us.
> I take from that if we basically leave things alone it'll probably be
> alright. So far I've yet to be proven wrong.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 3:12 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
>
> Grant lives in the desert.  Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with
> whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably
> 500 miles away...
>
> ;) Of course.  I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted"
> signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid
> to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and
> Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there
> because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot
> in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go
> there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online.
> Their customer service sucks.
> The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them"
> which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of
> mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says
> they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really
> wants to work.
> Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the
> entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to
> be CEO in 2 years...
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
>
> Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been
> cooked.
>
> Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the
> closed businesses.
>
> The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by
> new industry.
>
> "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are
> scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are
> flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined..
>
> Doesn't fly...
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody
> would
> > > be in prison.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> > >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> > >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> > >
> > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> > > years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> > > improve
> > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend
> > on
> > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been
> > hoping
> > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Then your pump must be a different design. Mine has two external pistons and a 
slotted lever with a sliding pin. It also has a foot pedal that operates the 
quick-lift in addition to the handle. If the pin doesn't slide, then the 
smaller slow rise piston doesn't go down and all that works is the bigger 
quick-rise. The jack is several years old, so it may be an early design. It 
came from Autozone.
Gerry

Dan Penoff wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand. There's nothing external to my pump that would be 
> involved with a quick rise function. It's got something to do with the 
> valving. 
> Dan
> 
> > On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> I would start earlier if it wasn't for everyone else being asleep and it 
> >> waking them up.
> >> Got the floor jack rebuilt. Replaced the seal on the ram from my HF $8 box 
> >> of O rings. Nice.
> >> The rapid rise feature still doesn't work. Not sure why, but there's a 
> >> tool forum that has a section on floor jacks with a guy who is really well 
> >> versed on them, so I'm going to ask him and see if he knows.
> >> Otherwise, it seems to work well and doesn't leak. Yea!
> >> Dan
> > ...
> > Mine didn't work either until I greased the external parts of the quick 
> > rise mechanism. Seemed to be a lot of friction from poorly machined parts.
> > It has worked well ever since.
> > Gerry
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT (?) Mice eating the wiring

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We've installed a "mouse fence" around the carport - 10" high aluminum
flashing all the way around. You have to lift and move the section behind
the car you're going to drive, but since we typically only drive each one
once a week, that's not a big deal.
So far, no more indications of mice in the car or truck, and none the traps
inside the fence, but then again, I didn't catch any around the cars before
we installed the fence. However, one of the traps was carried 20 feet or so
down the drive one night, and now it's missing altogether, so I'm thinking
I'm dealing with something larger than a mouse. Hence, I'm off to install
and electric fence wire an inch or two above the "mouse fence" to
discourage (or hopefully kill) what ever is prowling around the cars at
night.


OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think that when the external force required to move the lift pad is too
high, it goes slow. So, if you lube the whole thing, you can eliminate that
as the cause, or you've just fixed it with a few blasts of your favorite
aerosol lubricant. If this fixes it, then use a good grease for longer
lasting lubrication.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand. There's nothing external to my pump that would
> be involved with a quick rise function. It's got something to do with the
> valving.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Mine didn't work either until I greased the external parts of the quick
> rise mechanism. Seemed to be a lot of friction from poorly machined parts.
> > It has worked well ever since.
> > Gerry
> >
>



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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

When I was in high school getting ready to graduate I would get loads of 
brochures from various schools.  One I recall fondly was the H. O. Balls 
School of Auto-Diesel Mechanics


--R



On 9/8/15 3:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Speaking of jobs, there's a growing need for diesel mechanics, esp. in
Idaho:

http://magicvalley.com/news/local/mini-cassia/crtc-lauches-diesel-tech-program/article_e5ff8b8f-2b5d-57ba-bd2a-5b99fe3043d9.html



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup, what is it? Occam's razor or something similar - use the simplest
solution?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/09/2015 8:22 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the insights.  Looks like I may simply run an extension cord
>> across the back 40 to the shed for the 2 week incubation period..
>>
>>
>> BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!
>
> RB
>



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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] GPS?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

a friend has a TomTom GPS unit that is not working.
It is several years old and has not been used often.
He is planning on a road trip starting on Friday and has been trying to 
get it to work.

No luck. It won't do much but fire up and then quit.

A brief google search suggests they are junk and a lot of them have this 
sort of issue.
Anyone have any good advice to pass along apart from what I already 
said, which was to toss it and go buy a new Garmin?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] VW Golf TDI saga nearing the finish line

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, that can be hot and sticky.  Ya know I was  just ajoshin', anyway, 
doncha?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Golf TDI saga nearing the finish line


The forecast is for it to continue into tomorrow making this a bonafide 
"heatwave". Police are asking people to look out for each other...
Its probably 95F here and 70% humidity. It got down to 70F last night but 
the dew point and the temp were about the same, not conducive to sleeping. 
We ran the AC until about 2am just to knock down the humidity.
Fortunately starting next week or so we should see the cool off. I'm ready 
for snow.

-Curt
 From: WILTON 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 


Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Golf TDI saga nearing the finish line

"hot and sticky" in Taxatuses? Vraiment?! ;<)

ATTABOY with the TDI, anyway.

Wilton



- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 2:26 PM
Subject: [MBZ] VW Golf TDI saga nearing the finish line



When we last left our hero the 2005 VW Golf TDI there were no reverse
lights. A trip back to the TDI guru confirmed that the shift linkage in
the transmission was incorrect for that car and would never have worked,
fortunately the old transmission donated its shift tower which works
perfectly. So now we're all inspected and legal.
Driving home from the TDI guru today I was glad for the "ICE COLD AC" in
the car, its hot and sticky today with only the hint of a breeze.
Having put over 100 miles on it now the carbon is starting to burn out of
the engine. When I first got it it would smoke pretty bad on cold start,
now it blows one puff and settles down. It also had "turbo hunt" which I
guess is common on the variable vane turbos but a couple good highway 
runs

has burned off that carbon and its better. What I was finding was that in
2nd gear at around 2,000 rpm (quick driving in a parking lot say) the car
would surge and back off, surge and back off. That is completely gone, 
now

the only complaint is the turbo vanes don't open up completely until
around 2,200 rpm so I get a hard engagement then. Its fun to drive that
way but not right.
My '98 is faster until the '05's turbo really kicks in, then it can start
to pull away. I think in the quarter mile the '98 gets the edge, the '05
has 10 more HP and 30lb/ft of torque but it weighs something like 400#
more. In a mile or longer run I think the '05 would have it. The '05 is
quieter and more refined too.
Last step (for now) is to get a new driver's side front fender. 
Supposedly

a yard near work has an A+ perfect one, I'll call and see if I can get it
tomorrow.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT (?) Mice eating the wiring

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had that earlier this summer too, chipmunks caught in the trap would be just 
a leg in the trap the next day...
The crcle of life...
-Curt

  From: Craig via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Craig  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 6:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT (?) Mice eating the wiring
   
On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 14:57:27 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> However, one of the traps was carried 20 feet or so down the drive one
> night, and now it's missing altogether, so I'm thinking I'm dealing
> with something larger than a mouse.

That, or something larger is going for the mouse caught by the trap.
That's what was happening here earlier in the summer. I wanted to stake
the traps to the ground, but never got the right stuff to do it.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] OT (?) Mice eating the wiring

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

A 12g "wire" would work wonders too

-R



On 9/8/15 3:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Hence, I'm off to install
and electric fence wire an inch or two above the "mouse fence" to
discourage (or hopefully kill) what ever is prowling around the cars at
night.



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Re: [MBZ] OT (?) Mice eating the wiring

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

BUT it is hard on the finish on the car.

RB


On 08/09/2015 3:32 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

A 12g "wire" would work wonders too

-R



On 9/8/15 3:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Hence, I'm off to install
and electric fence wire an inch or two above the "mouse fence" to
discourage (or hopefully kill) what ever is prowling around the cars at
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Re: [MBZ] OT (?) Mice eating the wiring

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 14:57:27 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> However, one of the traps was carried 20 feet or so down the drive one
> night, and now it's missing altogether, so I'm thinking I'm dealing
> with something larger than a mouse.

That, or something larger is going for the mouse caught by the trap.
That's what was happening here earlier in the summer. I wanted to stake
the traps to the ground, but never got the right stuff to do it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks for the insights.  Looks like I may simply run an extension cord
across the back 40 to the shed for the 2 week incubation period..

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ‎Philip writes:
>>
>> A quick look at Amazon for
>>> prices results in almost $500 to >run two heat pads.
>>>
>>
>> Which is why, without subsidies, solar makes NO economic sense.
>>
>
> Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated watt.
> So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring, inverter,
> etc.
> My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the
> lifetime
> of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5 years.
>
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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

RB asks:

>Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already 
>said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?

Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably stone 
dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps. 

That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps. Maps 
get expensive to purchase time and time again. 
‎
Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes my Samsung has a map & GPS  program so i don't use my Garmin  any more.
A friend has a 201x R350 with big navigation  screen. MB  content.
On Sep 8, 2015 8:40 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> RB asks:
>>
>> Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already
>>> said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?
>>>
>>
>> Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably
>> stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps.
>> That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps.
>> Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again.
>> Rick
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
>>
>
> If he as an iphone, there is a gps app for that.   It even had the green
> sand beach in Hawaii several years ago.  You have to hike in there...
>
> I assume there is a similar thing for a google OS fone..  And...something..
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[MBZ] Fountains of Fun!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Yesterday I drove the 560SEL, and as usual when it starts to
get a bit colder it needed to crank awhile.  Of course it
smelled a bit gassy, but as I drove I thought it smelled
_too_ gassy, and decided to stop before I got on the freeway.

As I popped the hood, engine running, it made a coughing
backfire sound.  Up went the hood and OMFG, kill this thing
quick!  There was a fountain of gasoline arcing up, and landing
back on the brake booster (now that the hood was up).

The return fuel line had split, and had soaked the hood pad
and the entire area, which was sizzling and fuming hot gasoline
all over the place.  Eye-burningly strong.

We were one spark away from an inferno, and it's amazing that
the backfire (?) didn't make it out of the air cleaner far enough
to do the deed.

I had enough tools along, and the hose was long enough, that I
cut off the end and we were able to proceed on our way.  I had
recently looked over that hose, and thought it to be still in
good shape.  Clearly I was wrong.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Kaleb wrote:
> I thought these were worth more.
>
> Mercedes packaged G-500 Wagon 2002 Benz
> http://lawrence.craigslist.org/cto/5201049588.html

Did we determine that this IS scam? - I like its appearance.
More pictures, fwiw.
http://imgur.com/a/ku6hu#23

Guy sez he is at Offut going to Elmendorf.  Is that too legitimate, hence scam?
Can anyone decipher the background in the pictures?
Can anyone decipher the dates of the pictures?
Can anyone decipher this as part of previous scams?  i.e. other forums
suspect scam? or interwebs show to be scam?
Is this beyond DIY?
Could it be legit?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fountains of Fun!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Gasoline is the devil's juice...
-Curt
  From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Jim Cathey  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:59 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Fountains of Fun!
   
Yesterday I drove the 560SEL, and as usual when it starts to
get a bit colder it needed to crank awhile.  Of course it
smelled a bit gassy, but as I drove I thought it smelled
_too_ gassy, and decided to stop before I got on the freeway.

As I popped the hood, engine running, it made a coughing
backfire sound.  Up went the hood and OMFG, kill this thing
quick!  There was a fountain of gasoline arcing up, and landing
back on the brake booster (now that the hood was up).

The return fuel line had split, and had soaked the hood pad
and the entire area, which was sizzling and fuming hot gasoline
all over the place.  Eye-burningly strong.

We were one spark away from an inferno, and it's amazing that
the backfire (?) didn't make it out of the air cleaner far enough
to do the deed.

I had enough tools along, and the hose was long enough, that I
cut off the end and we were able to proceed on our way.  I had
recently looked over that hose, and thought it to be still in
good shape.  Clearly I was wrong.



-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

RB asks:

Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already 
said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?


Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is 
probably stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps. 

That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime 
maps. Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again. 


Rick
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10


If he as an iphone, there is a gps app for that.   It even had the 
green sand beach in Hawaii several years ago.  You have to hike in 
there...


I assume there is a similar thing for a google OS fone..  And...something..

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[MBZ] My only hold back on this is the rust, maybe I should buy it before Jaime does

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1985 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5210735089.html

via cPro Craigslist App
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The advantage in a stand-alone GPS is when you have no data service out in the 
sticks. Your phone GPS can't think for itself, it phones home for the actual 
mapping...
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS?
   
>RB asks:
>
>>Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already 
>>said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?
>
>Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is 
>probably stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps. 
>
>That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime 
>maps. Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again. 
>
>Rick
>Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

If he as an iphone, there is a gps app for that.  It even had the 
green sand beach in Hawaii several years ago.  You have to hike in 
there...

I assume there is a similar thing for a google OS fone..  And...something..



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Re: [MBZ] My only hold back on this is the rust, maybe I should buy it before Jaime does

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Same color as my 79 240D.
On Sep 8, 2015 9:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> 1985 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel
> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5210735089.html
>
> via cPro Craigslist App
> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] My only hold back on this is the rust, maybe I should buy it before Jaime does

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Do you currently own said 240d?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2015, at 8:49 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Same color as my 79 240D.
> On Sep 8, 2015 9:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1985 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel
>> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5210735089.html
>> 
>> via cPro Craigslist App
>> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
>> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Fountains of Fun!

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yesterday I drove the 560SEL, and as usual when it starts to
get a bit colder it needed to crank awhile.  Of course it
smelled a bit gassy, but as I drove I thought it smelled
_too_ gassy, and decided to stop before I got on the freeway.

As I popped the hood, engine running, it made a coughing
backfire sound.  Up went the hood and OMFG, kill this thing
quick!  There was a fountain of gasoline arcing up, and landing
back on the brake booster (now that the hood was up).

The return fuel line had split, and had soaked the hood pad
and the entire area, which was sizzling and fuming hot gasoline
all over the place.  Eye-burningly strong.

We were one spark away from an inferno, and it's amazing that
the backfire (?) didn't make it out of the air cleaner far enough
to do the deed.

I had enough tools along, and the hose was long enough, that I
cut off the end and we were able to proceed on our way.  I had
recently looked over that hose, and thought it to be still in
good shape.  Clearly I was wrong.

-- Jim


Wow!  Lucky!  It almost turned into a flamin' toada

Friends don't let friends drive toadas.

Waytago!

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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Kaleb wrote:

 I thought these were worth more.

 Mercedes packaged G-500 Wagon 2002 Benz
 http://lawrence.craigslist.org/cto/5201049588.html


Did we determine that this IS scam? - I like its appearance.
More pictures, fwiw.
http://imgur.com/a/ku6hu#23

Guy sez he is at Offut going to Elmendorf.  Is that too legitimate, 
hence scam?

Can anyone decipher the background in the pictures?
Can anyone decipher the dates of the pictures?
Can anyone decipher this as part of previous scams?  i.e. other forums
suspect scam? or interwebs show to be scam?
Is this beyond DIY?
Could it be legit?
mao


"Guy sez he is at Offut going to Elmendorf. "
That identifies it as a scam.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's S420 Fun

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 8, 2015 at 3:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have done further study, and it appears that there is valving that controls
> this feature.  I’m going to tinker with it to see if I can get the feature to
> return.

The way I've seen it, there's a high speed low force subsystem that pops its
relief valve when real resistance is encountered, then the low speed high force
section takes over. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

How does leaving Nebraska going to Alaska make it a scam?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?



>Kaleb wrote:

 I thought these were worth more.

 Mercedes packaged G-500 Wagon 2002 Benz
 http://lawrence.craigslist.org/cto/5201049588.html


Did we determine that this IS scam? - I like its appearance.
More pictures, fwiw.
http://imgur.com/a/ku6hu#23

Guy sez he is at Offut going to Elmendorf.  Is that too legitimate, 
hence scam?

Can anyone decipher the background in the pictures?
Can anyone decipher the dates of the pictures?
Can anyone decipher this as part of previous scams?  i.e. other forums
suspect scam? or interwebs show to be scam?
Is this beyond DIY?
Could it be legit?
mao


"Guy sez he is at Offut going to Elmendorf. "
That identifies it as a scam.

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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

WILTON wrote:
> How does leaving Nebraska going to Alaska make it a scam?

Yeah, please explain?
Can military afford CPO G-500?
Does CPO transfer to new private owner?
Wouldn't Alaska be better use of this truck than Nebraska?
Take the truck with you to Alaska, I should think - doesn't USAF
transfer vehicles for personnel?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

How does leaving Nebraska going to Alaska make it a scam?

Wilton


That does not, but the low price along with the sob story identify 
(are consistent with) a scam.

Maos questions still apply:

Is it realistic that an AF guy less than a major or light bird could 
afford this wagon?

WHy not take it to AK?
Etc.

These things along with the low price and sob story confirm it is a scam

I encountered one of these sob stories several years ago.  It was 
some woman being shipped off to desert areas, etc etc, advertised the 
vehicle in gufpo't (and other places) but when you inquired and asked 
to see it, it was in WA.  (yeah, right...)  Several other answers to 
questions didn't add up.  I played "her " for a while with email, 
then "she" stopped answering questions.  "She" had figured out we 
both knew it was a scam.


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Re: [MBZ] latest 1982 300td ac saga

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, ATTABOY, anyway.   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes" 

To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com List" 
Cc: "Rick Hawkins Java" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 2:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] latest 1982 300td ac saga


Folks,

i did a stupid thing but it;s fixed now.

After the r4 ac compressor blew its housing a month ago, i had to fix it. I 
bought a compressor on amazon and a receiver drier on ebay or somewhere and 
found some more straight mineral oil and assorted seals and orings and etc.


I went to my ac expert. He hung the compressor and i hung the receiver. He's 
younger than my 61 years and refuses to wear glasses. We were working at his 
place about 40 miles north of here. We evacuated and charged the system with 
some of my r12 stash.


About 10 miles south of him, headed to athens, i stopped for a few minutes 
and then when i started again, NO AC. I stopped and looked at it and saw 
that the ac belt had broken but the compressor was still free.


The next day we tried to install the belt and noticed that the pulleys 
didn't  line up. A little research by looking at some of my failed 
compressors determined that the R4 installed on the Benz had an incorrect 
pulley for a benz. So, the AC guy who refuses to wear reading glasses 
installed the compressor with a pulley that was a belt width off 
alignment …. a guaranteed failure.


SO, since i didn't want to pull the compressor and recharge the system, i 
started studying how to remove the pulley. The compressor i bought was just 
some random r4 for a GM application. I thought they all had the same pulley 
setup. Anyway, i watched some videos by BOB on youtube about removing and 
installing the clutch and pulley.


Fortunately, auto zone has LOTS of ac tools to borrow. I got a bunch of 
pullers and such and easily took one apart on the bench.


Can it be done in the  car …. Yes, with some effort. I had to remove the 
radiator and then there is just enough room. There are a bunch of details. … 
snap rings and beys in the shaft. So, probably 12 man hours later or more 
(not including time researching the procedures) i am back on the road with 
ice cold AC.


So, i was stupid for buying the wrong part.

My AC guy was even stupider for installing it

And i was even stupider that that for not comparing old and new part and not 
inspecting the job better.


He DOES do a good job …. his work has held pressure (no freon added) for the 
3 or 4 year life that is the max i've ever gotten out of an R4


Take heed and learn from my mistakes.


No animals were harmed and no freon was vented.

Now i'm off to Tupelo MS to deliver a 1500 lb printing press as soon as i 
get the press ready and loaded. I hate hauling the ones that are that heavy.




thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's Obama's fault that people have to work to make a living.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, sorta. They don't count people that stopped looking for jobs though.
> Whats more important is that new unemployment claims are down and people
> willing to quit their jobs are up.
> Unemployment numbers usually jump up a little to indicate a rising economy
> as people that had previously been out of the workforce start looking
> again. We saw that some time ago. I personally think things are better than
> the economists let on, they're the worst bunch of pile-on idiots I've ever
> seen. No economist actually wants to get caught saying something so he just
> repeats whatever the other guys are already saying. Thus the economy is bad
> long before anybody really knows about it because they're all busy telling
> you the good times will last for ever. Then when things have turned around
> they're spending all their time telling you that the sky is falling so they
> don't notice...
>
> -Curt
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
>
> Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would
> be in prison.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas 
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
>
> Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
>
> --R
>
> On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
>
>
> > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> improve
> > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on
> > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping
> > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ash is premiere stuff. Its hard, it burns good and dries faster than 
oak.Nothing at all like poplar, perhaps you're thinking of Balm of Giliad which 
we have in abundance on my farm and is a total trash tree. Poplar is at least 
valuable for OSB production...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
   
Is ash categorized as a hard or soft wood for wood heat purposes?  IIRC it has 
a sooty burn with low BTUs, much like poplar.  Or not...



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We paid almost $0.20 all last winter due to limited pipeline capacity for 
natural gas.They've been pushing everybody to switch to natural gas for home 
heating. Last winter my oil bill went down considerably over the previous year, 
people with Nat gas got slammed. This year heating oil is below $2/gal.
I've been stocking up on firewood, a friend has a processor and is giving me 
$180/cord for ash if I pick it up myself. I've got around 3 cords now and plan 
to get one more before the month is out. I've got another cord and a half to 
two cords of good dry stuff so that the stuff I'm buying now will probably not 
be used this year. I *think* we could heat the whole house on 5 cords a year 
but we just use it as supplemental. The furnace keeps us at 62F, the woodstove 
is anything we want over that. When we do solar hot water in the daytime we'll 
use any excess from that to warm the house, should drive down our oil and wood 
bill seriously.
-Curt
      From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

> Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated
> watt.
> So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring,
> inverter, etc.
> My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the
> lifetime
> of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5
> years.

Electricity here is, IIRC, $0.055/kWH, so it would take nearly 3x
as long.  Hydro rules!  :-)

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

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OSB??

Does ash split easily?  IIRC black locust is numero uno in heat value but
extremely tough to split...

My favorite splitting wood is black walnut.  Grain is unbelievably straight
and true.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ash is premiere stuff. Its hard, it burns good and dries faster than
> oak.Nothing at all like poplar, perhaps you're thinking of Balm of Giliad
> which we have in abundance on my farm and is a total trash tree. Poplar is
> at least valuable for OSB production...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
>
> Is ash categorized as a hard or soft wood for wood heat purposes?  IIRC it
> has a sooty burn with low BTUs, much like poplar.  Or not...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> We paid almost $0.20 all last winter due to limited pipeline capacity for
> natural gas.They've been pushing everybody to switch to natural gas for
> home heating. Last winter my oil bill went down considerably over the
> previous year, people with Nat gas got slammed. This year heating oil is
> below $2/gal.
> I've been stocking up on firewood, a friend has a processor and is giving
> me $180/cord for ash if I pick it up myself. I've got around 3 cords now
> and plan to get one more before the month is out. I've got another cord and
> a half to two cords of good dry stuff so that the stuff I'm buying now will
> probably not be used this year. I *think* we could heat the whole house on
> 5 cords a year but we just use it as supplemental. The furnace keeps us at
> 62F, the woodstove is anything we want over that. When we do solar hot
> water in the daytime we'll use any excess from that to warm the house,
> should drive down our oil and wood bill seriously.
> -Curt
>   From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Jim Cathey 
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
>
> > Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated
> > watt.
> > So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring,
> > inverter, etc.
> > My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the
> > lifetime
> > of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5
> > years.
>
> Electricity here is, IIRC, $0.055/kWH, so it would take nearly 3x
> as long.  Hydro rules!  :-)
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

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I don't hold that against Obama, its been the policy for a long time. I can't 
remember when it started though. I'm thinking during the New Deal so under 
FDR's watch, but I can't be sure of that.
Not so much Obama but Nancy P and her crowd would just pay people who weren't 
working because "the government can take care of you".
Read the Honor Harrington series by David Webber, its a classic "Space Opera" 
and one of the governments in it is clearly a "Social Democracy" with a rabble 
of people on the basic living wage (ie welfare) and the economy of the place 
relies on expansion and taxation of an increasingly small number of people 
actually willing to work. So they invade "The kingdom" (a constitutional 
monarchy) to "release the riches of the people" etc...The first couple books 
are great, lots of space battles and action. As they go on the start to drag. I 
nearly quit in book 8 because its all boring exposition about this or that 
political maneuver, apparently book 9 is worse so I haven't tried it...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
   
It's Obama's fault that people have to work to make a living.



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yeah, sorta. They don't count people that stopped looking for jobs though. 
Whats more important is that new unemployment claims are down and people 
willing to quit their jobs are up.
Unemployment numbers usually jump up a little to indicate a rising economy as 
people that had previously been out of the workforce start looking again. We 
saw that some time ago. I personally think things are better than the 
economists let on, they're the worst bunch of pile-on idiots I've ever seen. No 
economist actually wants to get caught saying something so he just repeats 
whatever the other guys are already saying. Thus the economy is bad long before 
anybody really knows about it because they're all busy telling you the good 
times will last for ever. Then when things have turned around they're spending 
all their time telling you that the sky is falling so they don't notice...

-Curt
      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would be in 
prison.
-Curt

      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...

--R

On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:


> Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to improve
> Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on
> things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping
> for". Your personal mileage may vary.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We paid almost $0.20 all last winter due to limited pipeline capacity for 
natural gas.They've been pushing everybody to switch to natural gas for home 
heating. Last winter my oil bill went down considerably over the previous year, 
people with Nat gas got slammed. This year heating oil is below $2/gal.
I've been stocking up on firewood, a friend has a processor and is giving me 
$180/cord for ash if I pick it up myself. I've got around 3 cords now and plan 
to get one more before the month is out. I've got another cord and a half to 
two cords of good dry stuff so that the stuff I'm buying now will probably not 
be used this year. I *think* we could heat the whole house on 5 cords a year 
but we just use it as supplemental. The furnace keeps us at 62F, the woodstove 
is anything we want over that. When we do solar hot water in the daytime we'll 
use any excess from that to warm the house, should drive down our oil and wood 
bill seriously.
-Curt
  From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Jim Cathey  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
   
> Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated 
> watt.
> So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring, 
> inverter, etc.
> My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the 
> lifetime
> of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5 
> years.

Electricity here is, IIRC, $0.055/kWH, so it would take nearly 3x
as long.  Hydro rules!  :-)

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is ash categorized as a hard or soft wood for wood heat purposes?  IIRC it
has a sooty burn with low BTUs, much like poplar.  Or not...

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We paid almost $0.20 all last winter due to limited pipeline capacity for
> natural gas.They've been pushing everybody to switch to natural gas for
> home heating. Last winter my oil bill went down considerably over the
> previous year, people with Nat gas got slammed. This year heating oil is
> below $2/gal.
> I've been stocking up on firewood, a friend has a processor and is giving
> me $180/cord for ash if I pick it up myself. I've got around 3 cords now
> and plan to get one more before the month is out. I've got another cord and
> a half to two cords of good dry stuff so that the stuff I'm buying now will
> probably not be used this year. I *think* we could heat the whole house on
> 5 cords a year but we just use it as supplemental. The furnace keeps us at
> 62F, the woodstove is anything we want over that. When we do solar hot
> water in the daytime we'll use any excess from that to warm the house,
> should drive down our oil and wood bill seriously.
> -Curt
>   From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Jim Cathey 
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
>
> > Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated
> > watt.
> > So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring,
> > inverter, etc.
> > My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the
> > lifetime
> > of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5
> > years.
>
> Electricity here is, IIRC, $0.055/kWH, so it would take nearly 3x
> as long.  Hydro rules!  :-)
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah, sorta. They don't count people that stopped looking for jobs though. 
Whats more important is that new unemployment claims are down and people 
willing to quit their jobs are up.
Unemployment numbers usually jump up a little to indicate a rising economy as 
people that had previously been out of the workforce start looking again. We 
saw that some time ago. I personally think things are better than the 
economists let on, they're the worst bunch of pile-on idiots I've ever seen. No 
economist actually wants to get caught saying something so he just repeats 
whatever the other guys are already saying. Thus the economy is bad long before 
anybody really knows about it because they're all busy telling you the good 
times will last for ever. Then when things have turned around they're spending 
all their time telling you that the sky is falling so they don't notice...

-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
   
Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would be in 
prison.
-Curt

      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...

--R

On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:


> Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to improve
> Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on
> things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping
> for". Your personal mileage may vary.


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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The price of scrap metals is also down because of overproduction of raw 
materials. There are several new mines in Australia that MUST produce to pay 
the creditors, normally a mine would shut down in view of the low commodity 
price but they can't.
Good news is that the influx of new material will result in better quality 
metals for awhile. Using all scrap gradually degrades production...
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: G Mann  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
   
Sorry Andrew.. you are using "co-mingled logic"..

Inflation is a stand alone issue.

Scrap prices are a stand alone issue.

Raw material demand drives scrap price far more than dollar value. Same for
crude oil, and other commodities.

When American economy thrives, Americans consume more than any other
country in the world, per capita, and pay for it because we are all "rich"
by comparison. Those countries buy raw materials and convert them to
finished goods with cheap labor and lack of EPA style government
intervention, for sale to their number one customer, USA.

Sales are flat lined, future orders are flat lined, and thus, production at
these "raw product buyer" countries is flat lined.  China, when USA economy
was booming pre 2008, was paying over $300 per ton of scrap steel and
couldn't get enough to fill manufacturing orders in the que.. Now... very
low demand due to low sales of finished goods.. because Americans are not
buying..

When America stops buying, other countries stop producing, their workers
stop working, and paying taxes, feeding their families.

Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to improve
Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on
things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping
for". Your personal mileage may vary.

Diesel price here is now $2.19 per gallon... so I may start driving more..
which will drive demand up, and ultimately, the price of crude..
Eventually, I will wear out a part on the Mercedes, need a new one, someone
in China will take the order, along with others, buy some scrap, smelt it
down, make new parts, and ship one to me...

Respectfully,

Grant...

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sounds like you would be singing Obama's praise if we had rampant
> inflation...
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Loren Faeth via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting explanation.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.rabin.com/meet/Blog/August-2015/Market-Watch-The-Scrap-Metal-Industry.aspx
> >
> > Scrap metal prices have always been a indicator of world economic health.
> > Low scrap prices = depression on the way.  High scrap prices = boom
> coming.
> >
> > Scrap metals, rendered oils and protein, foods, pretroleum, pretty much
> > all the commodities are at lows that were unthinkable a couple years ago
> in
> > the 'bummer depression.
> >
> >
> > As a practical comparison, 4 yrs ago, a 5-7 yr old dogde van was worth
> > $8-10k from private sellers.  This week I saw 5-7 yr old dogde vans
> mostly
> > around $5K from private sellers.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ash is what they make baseball bats out of, its extremely straight grained but 
a bit flexible which is what makes it good for bats. The same straight nature 
makes it easy to split, not so easy as oak as its kind of fibrous, meaning the 
fibers kind of cling together while you try to get the pieces apart. I haven't 
had a lot of experience with it, we don't have any on the farm although it is 
native to our area.
OSB is Oriented Strand Board, aka wafer board, the plywood like stuff they make 
houses out of. It uses cheap woods like poplar. Last spring our neighbor was 
getting (IIRC) $40/cord for poplar. That was what he was actually getting paid 
by the harvester, that guy was getting probably $80 at the mill.
Remember also when I say poplar I mean quaking aspen not the tulip polar 
furniture makers use.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
   
OSB??

Does ash split easily?  IIRC black locust is numero uno in heat value but 
extremely tough to split...

My favorite splitting wood is black walnut.  Grain is unbelievably straight and 
true.



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Ash is premiere stuff. Its hard, it burns good and dries faster than 
oak.Nothing at all like poplar, perhaps you're thinking of Balm of Giliad which 
we have in abundance on my farm and is a total trash tree. Poplar is at least 
valuable for OSB production...
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Is ash categorized as a hard or soft wood for wood heat purposes?  IIRC it has 
a sooty burn with low BTUs, much like poplar.  Or not...



On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We paid almost $0.20 all last winter due to limited pipeline capacity for 
natural gas.They've been pushing everybody to switch to natural gas for home 
heating. Last winter my oil bill went down considerably over the previous year, 
people with Nat gas got slammed. This year heating oil is below $2/gal.
I've been stocking up on firewood, a friend has a processor and is giving me 
$180/cord for ash if I pick it up myself. I've got around 3 cords now and plan 
to get one more before the month is out. I've got another cord and a half to 
two cords of good dry stuff so that the stuff I'm buying now will probably not 
be used this year. I *think* we could heat the whole house on 5 cords a year 
but we just use it as supplemental. The furnace keeps us at 62F, the woodstove 
is anything we want over that. When we do solar hot water in the daytime we'll 
use any excess from that to warm the house, should drive down our oil and wood 
bill seriously.
-Curt
      From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Jim Cathey 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

> Medium-large name brand home panels can be had for under $1 per rated
> watt.
> So figure $0.20-0.25 per daily watt-hour, plus mounts, wiring,
> inverter, etc.
> My after tax rate for electricity is 0.14+, so it can pay off in the
> lifetime
> of the equipment now, the bare PV panel cost can be recovered in 4-5
> years.

Electricity here is, IIRC, $0.055/kWH, so it would take nearly 3x
as long.  Hydro rules!  :-)

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/09/2015 8:22 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for the insights.  Looks like I may simply run an extension cord
across the back 40 to the shed for the 2 week incubation period..



BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been
cooked.

Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the
closed businesses.

The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by
new industry.

"Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are
scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are
flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined..

Doesn't fly...

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would
> > be in prison.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> >
> > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> > years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> > improve
> > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend
> on
> > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been
> hoping
> > > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
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[MBZ] VW Golf TDI saga nearing the finish line

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When we last left our hero the 2005 VW Golf TDI there were no reverse lights. A 
trip back to the TDI guru confirmed that the shift linkage in the transmission 
was incorrect for that car and would never have worked, fortunately the old 
transmission donated its shift tower which works perfectly. So now we're all 
inspected and legal.
Driving home from the TDI guru today I was glad for the "ICE COLD AC" in the 
car, its hot and sticky today with only the hint of a breeze.
Having put over 100 miles on it now the carbon is starting to burn out of the 
engine. When I first got it it would smoke pretty bad on cold start, now it 
blows one puff and settles down. It also had "turbo hunt" which I guess is 
common on the variable vane turbos but a couple good highway runs has burned 
off that carbon and its better. What I was finding was that in 2nd gear at 
around 2,000 rpm (quick driving in a parking lot say) the car would surge and 
back off, surge and back off. That is completely gone, now the only complaint 
is the turbo vanes don't open up completely until around 2,200 rpm so I get a 
hard engagement then. Its fun to drive that way but not right. 
My '98 is faster until the '05's turbo really kicks in, then it can start to 
pull away. I think in the quarter mile the '98 gets the edge, the '05 has 10 
more HP and 30lb/ft of torque but it weighs something like 400# more. In a mile 
or longer run I think the '05 would have it. The '05 is quieter and more 
refined too.
Last step (for now) is to get a new driver's side front fender. Supposedly a 
yard near work has an A+ perfect one, I'll call and see if I can get it 
tomorrow.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" 
signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid to 
realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and Home 
Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there because 
they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot in 
frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go there 
other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online. Their 
customer service sucks.
The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" which is 
where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of mine runs a fish 
farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says they can't keep staff 
and have a hard time finding anybody that really wants to work.
Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the entitlement 
culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to be CEO in 2 
years...
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: G Mann  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
   
Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been
cooked.

Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the
closed businesses.

The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by
new industry.

"Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are
scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are
flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined..

Doesn't fly...

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %.  BAD Obama!
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would
> > be in prison.
> > -Curt
> >
> >      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
> >
> > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4
> > years has been for the middle class.  Such irony...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write:
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to
> > improve
> > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend
> on
> > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business
> > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been
> hoping
> > > for". Your personal mileage may vary.
> >
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