Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Amanda Wurzer]

It's been an issue since I bought the bike. When I bought it, someone had
already installed aftermarket LED garbage signals which never worked
anyways. And they were spliced in. I'm not a fan of electrical things for
this reason. Lol

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 8:06 AM Darin Hatton  wrote:

> Did this start when you put on the aftermarket turn signals?  Was the
> wiring the same in the new ones? Do they work right with the old ones?
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 12:05 PM MizMandaLyn 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got a gremlin. I don't know what it is. I have my suspicions.
>>
>> My front turn signals are on which is greatbut so are the back ones.
>> When I switch the turn signal to left or right, the corresponding light
>> turns off - both front and back. These are aftermarket signals but are not
>> LED. Could this be just a relay issue?
>>
>> Secondly my brake light stays on as tho I'm on the brake even when I'm
>> not. I tried hitting both brakes to see if that made a difference but it
>> didn't.
>>
>> I've gone though my entire harness when I had the bike ripped down for
>> non-related maintenance so I know the wires are where they should be.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - A
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Darin Hatton]

Did this start when you put on the aftermarket turn signals?  Was the
wiring the same in the new ones? Do they work right with the old ones?

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 12:05 PM MizMandaLyn  wrote:

> I've got a gremlin. I don't know what it is. I have my suspicions.
>
> My front turn signals are on which is greatbut so are the back ones.
> When I switch the turn signal to left or right, the corresponding light
> turns off - both front and back. These are aftermarket signals but are not
> LED. Could this be just a relay issue?
>
> Secondly my brake light stays on as tho I'm on the brake even when I'm
> not. I tried hitting both brakes to see if that made a difference but it
> didn't.
>
> I've gone though my entire harness when I had the bike ripped down for
> non-related maintenance so I know the wires are where they should be.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
> - A
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[bobshel...@gmail.com]

I agree, but I do like it not to smoke!

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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:40 PM, Amanda Wurzer 
wrote:   Why? A few sparks never hurt anyone haha jk
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 8:38 PM bobshel...@gmail.com  wrote:

I did fix it but yes it was bad.

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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:35 PM, Amanda Wurzer 
wrote:   Damn! That's crazy. None of my wires look anything like that. Lol. The 
bike is still in pretty good condition overall... Except for the bolt I managed 
to bust in half getting the cam cover off. But all is well and I have new 
gaskets lol 
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 7:51 PM bobshel...@gmail.com  wrote:

I hear that!! My 700 S is down to the frame for painting.
Did you have any ugly connectors? I did.


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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:20 PM, Amanda Wurzer 
wrote:   I'll definitely give that a shot. I was able to find the color wiring 
diagram after digging around a bit so I'll print it off at work tomorrow and go 
over everything with a fine-toothed comb. I keep telling myself that I hate it 
but with the new plugs and wires? Omg. I can't wait to get the wiring fixed. 
Just up and down the block today was enough of a tease lol
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:53 PM Graham Rogers  wrote:

Where the spring is attached to the switch on the rear brake lever, pull down 
on the switch, push it back up, see if rear brake light turns off. In other 
words, there may be too much tension on the switch. It is controlled by a 
thread  on the switch. But too test it simply relax the tension of the spring 
by pushing the pin to which the spring is attached, back into the switch and 
watch to see if the light goes out. Does that make sense? To test the front 
brake lever switch just pull the two wire clips off the brake switch. That 
switch is a small squarish  thing under the front brake lever. You can see it 
held on be a screw and the two wires are attached to prongs protruding out 
towards the middle of your handlebars. You should try the front one first by 
detaching those two wires. You may need to pull them off with pliers. I forget 
what the connectors are called - spade and something. With those two wires off 
see if the brake light goes out. No change, try touching the two wires together 
(not reconnected to the switch).No change, now go to the rear brake pedal and 
tinker with that as I described above. Graham
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM Amanda Wurzer  wrote:

Graham... How exactly do I check the brake switch manually? 
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 1:18 PM Graham Rogers  wrote:

If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch at rear 
brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
> 
> Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was dirty 
> inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get switch 
> moving freely did the trick.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the 
>> wrong contact point.
> 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Amanda Wurzer]

Why? A few sparks never hurt anyone haha jk

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 8:38 PM bobshel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I did fix it but yes it was bad.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:35 PM, Amanda Wurzer
>  wrote:
> Damn! That's crazy. None of my wires look anything like that. Lol. The
> bike is still in pretty good condition overall... Except for the bolt I
> managed to bust in half getting the cam cover off. But all is well and I
> have new gaskets lol
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 7:51 PM bobshel...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I hear that!! My 700 S is down to the frame for painting.
> Did you have any ugly connectors? I did.
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:20 PM, Amanda Wurzer
>  wrote:
> I'll definitely give that a shot. I was able to find the color wiring
> diagram after digging around a bit so I'll print it off at work tomorrow
> and go over everything with a fine-toothed comb. I keep telling myself that
> I hate it but with the new plugs and wires? Omg. I can't wait to get the
> wiring fixed. Just up and down the block today was enough of a tease lol
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:53 PM Graham Rogers 
> wrote:
>
> Where the spring is attached to the switch on the rear brake lever, pull
> down on the switch, push it back up, see if rear brake light turns off. In
> other words, there may be too much tension on the switch. It is controlled
> by a thread  on the switch. But too test it simply relax the tension of the
> spring by pushing the pin to which the spring is attached, back into the
> switch and watch to see if the light goes out. Does that make sense? To
> test the front brake lever switch just pull the two wire clips off the
> brake switch. That switch is a small squarish  thing under the front brake
> lever. You can see it held on be a screw and the two wires are attached to
> prongs protruding out towards the middle of your handlebars.
> You should try the front one first by detaching those two wires. You may
> need to pull them off with pliers. I forget what the connectors are called
> - spade and something. With those two wires off see if the brake light goes
> out. No change, try touching the two wires together (not reconnected to the
> switch).
> No change, now go to the rear brake pedal and tinker with that as I
> described above. Graham
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM Amanda Wurzer 
> wrote:
>
> Graham... How exactly do I check the brake switch manually?
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 1:18 PM Graham Rogers 
> wrote:
>
> If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch at
> rear brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
> >
> > Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was
> dirty inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get
> switch moving freely did the trick.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the
> wrong contact point.
> >
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[bobshel...@gmail.com]

I did fix it but yes it was bad.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:35 PM, Amanda Wurzer 
wrote:   Damn! That's crazy. None of my wires look anything like that. Lol. The 
bike is still in pretty good condition overall... Except for the bolt I managed 
to bust in half getting the cam cover off. But all is well and I have new 
gaskets lol 
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 7:51 PM bobshel...@gmail.com  wrote:

I hear that!! My 700 S is down to the frame for painting.
Did you have any ugly connectors? I did.


Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:20 PM, Amanda Wurzer 
wrote:   I'll definitely give that a shot. I was able to find the color wiring 
diagram after digging around a bit so I'll print it off at work tomorrow and go 
over everything with a fine-toothed comb. I keep telling myself that I hate it 
but with the new plugs and wires? Omg. I can't wait to get the wiring fixed. 
Just up and down the block today was enough of a tease lol
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:53 PM Graham Rogers  wrote:

Where the spring is attached to the switch on the rear brake lever, pull down 
on the switch, push it back up, see if rear brake light turns off. In other 
words, there may be too much tension on the switch. It is controlled by a 
thread  on the switch. But too test it simply relax the tension of the spring 
by pushing the pin to which the spring is attached, back into the switch and 
watch to see if the light goes out. Does that make sense? To test the front 
brake lever switch just pull the two wire clips off the brake switch. That 
switch is a small squarish  thing under the front brake lever. You can see it 
held on be a screw and the two wires are attached to prongs protruding out 
towards the middle of your handlebars. You should try the front one first by 
detaching those two wires. You may need to pull them off with pliers. I forget 
what the connectors are called - spade and something. With those two wires off 
see if the brake light goes out. No change, try touching the two wires together 
(not reconnected to the switch).No change, now go to the rear brake pedal and 
tinker with that as I described above. Graham
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM Amanda Wurzer  wrote:

Graham... How exactly do I check the brake switch manually? 
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 1:18 PM Graham Rogers  wrote:

If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch at rear 
brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
> 
> Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was dirty 
> inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get switch 
> moving freely did the trick.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the 
>> wrong contact point.
> 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Amanda Wurzer]

I'll definitely give that a shot. I was able to find the color wiring
diagram after digging around a bit so I'll print it off at work tomorrow
and go over everything with a fine-toothed comb. I keep telling myself that
I hate it but with the new plugs and wires? Omg. I can't wait to get the
wiring fixed. Just up and down the block today was enough of a tease lol

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:53 PM Graham Rogers 
wrote:

> Where the spring is attached to the switch on the rear brake lever, pull
> down on the switch, push it back up, see if rear brake light turns off. In
> other words, there may be too much tension on the switch. It is controlled
> by a thread  on the switch. But too test it simply relax the tension of the
> spring by pushing the pin to which the spring is attached, back into the
> switch and watch to see if the light goes out. Does that make sense? To
> test the front brake lever switch just pull the two wire clips off the
> brake switch. That switch is a small squarish  thing under the front brake
> lever. You can see it held on be a screw and the two wires are attached to
> prongs protruding out towards the middle of your handlebars.
> You should try the front one first by detaching those two wires. You may
> need to pull them off with pliers. I forget what the connectors are called
> - spade and something. With those two wires off see if the brake light goes
> out. No change, try touching the two wires together (not reconnected to the
> switch).
> No change, now go to the rear brake pedal and tinker with that as I
> described above. Graham
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM Amanda Wurzer 
> wrote:
>
>> Graham... How exactly do I check the brake switch manually?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 1:18 PM Graham Rogers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch
>>> at rear brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was
>>> dirty inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get
>>> switch moving freely did the trick.
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com" <
>>> bobshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with
>>> the wrong contact point.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Graham Rogers]

Where the spring is attached to the switch on the rear brake lever, pull
down on the switch, push it back up, see if rear brake light turns off. In
other words, there may be too much tension on the switch. It is controlled
by a thread  on the switch. But too test it simply relax the tension of the
spring by pushing the pin to which the spring is attached, back into the
switch and watch to see if the light goes out. Does that make sense? To
test the front brake lever switch just pull the two wire clips off the
brake switch. That switch is a small squarish  thing under the front brake
lever. You can see it held on be a screw and the two wires are attached to
prongs protruding out towards the middle of your handlebars.
You should try the front one first by detaching those two wires. You may
need to pull them off with pliers. I forget what the connectors are called
- spade and something. With those two wires off see if the brake light goes
out. No change, try touching the two wires together (not reconnected to the
switch).
No change, now go to the rear brake pedal and tinker with that as I
described above. Graham

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM Amanda Wurzer 
wrote:

> Graham... How exactly do I check the brake switch manually?
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 1:18 PM Graham Rogers 
> wrote:
>
>> If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch at
>> rear brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
>> >
>> > Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was
>> dirty inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get
>> switch moving freely did the trick.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com" 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with
>> the wrong contact point.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Amanda Wurzer]

Graham... How exactly do I check the brake switch manually?

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 1:18 PM Graham Rogers 
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> If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch at
> rear brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
> >
> > Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was
> dirty inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get
> switch moving freely did the trick.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com" 
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> >> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

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Great advice Graham!

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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:18 PM, Graham Rogers 
wrote:   If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch 
at rear brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
> 
> Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was dirty 
> inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get switch 
> moving freely did the trick.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com"  
>> wrote:
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>> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the 
>> wrong contact point.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Graham Rogers]

If brake light is on all the time with ignition on, check brake switch at rear 
brake lever and front brake lever. Operate them manually to check

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> On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Liam O'Leary  wrote:
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> Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was dirty 
> inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get switch 
> moving freely did the trick.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com"  
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>> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the 
>> wrong contact point.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

[Liam O'Leary]

Had a similar issue recently, turned out the turn signal switch was dirty 
inside. Electrical contact spray and some waterproof grease to get switch 
moving freely did the trick.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Mar 2019, at 16:26, "bobshel...@gmail.com"  wrote:
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> Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the wrong 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

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Also the turn signal switch could be dirty inside or lining up with the wrong 
contact point.

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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:23 AM, bobshel...@gmail.com 
wrote:   Could be a relay, bad connection, bulb, short, socket, ground. Maybe 
inside the wire bundle where you don't see it. If you have a multimeter check 
all your wires for 12 volts and continuity between supply and bulb. Don,t 
forget the fuse holder. Good luck!

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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:05 AM, MizMandaLyn wrote: 
  I've got a gremlin. I don't know what it is. I have my suspicions. 

My front turn signals are on which is greatbut so are the back ones. When I 
switch the turn signal to left or right, the corresponding light turns off - 
both front and back. These are aftermarket signals but are not LED. Could this 
be just a relay issue?

Secondly my brake light stays on as tho I'm on the brake even when I'm not. I 
tried hitting both brakes to see if that made a difference but it didn't. 

I've gone though my entire harness when I had the bike ripped down for 
non-related maintenance so I know the wires are where they should be. 

Thoughts? 

Thanks! 
- A 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal sand brake light 83 650

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Could be a relay, bad connection, bulb, short, socket, ground. Maybe inside the 
wire bundle where you don't see it. If you have a multimeter check all your 
wires for 12 volts and continuity between supply and bulb. Don,t forget the 
fuse holder. Good luck!

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  On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:05 AM, MizMandaLyn wrote: 
  I've got a gremlin. I don't know what it is. I have my suspicions. 

My front turn signals are on which is greatbut so are the back ones. When I 
switch the turn signal to left or right, the corresponding light turns off - 
both front and back. These are aftermarket signals but are not LED. Could this 
be just a relay issue?

Secondly my brake light stays on as tho I'm on the brake even when I'm not. I 
tried hitting both brakes to see if that made a difference but it didn't. 

I've gone though my entire harness when I had the bike ripped down for 
non-related maintenance so I know the wires are where they should be. 

Thoughts? 

Thanks! 
- A 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issue

[Arthur Sheller]

Yep new bulb and it works great. Thanks!

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 4:02:40 PM UTC-6, kiwinPA wrote:
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> Both front turn signals are also running lights. Both should be on when 
> the ignition is turned on. So if only one is on with ignition is on, then 
> one, the right one is not working. If the right turn signal is working 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issue

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> Thanks makes sense!
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> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:38 PM Tommy Hill 
>> Oops.  The right one is broken.  Probably a bulb.
>> Yep new bulb and it works great. Thanks!
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issue

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Thanks makes sense!

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:38 PM Tommy Hill  Oops.  The right one is broken.  Probably a bulb.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issue

[Arthur Sheller]

Thanks! That makes sense.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:02 PM Graham Rogers  Both front turn signals are also running lights. Both should be on when
> the ignition is turned on. So if only one is on with ignition is on, then
> one, the right one is not working. If the right turn signal is working
> (blinking), it is probably the bulb.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issue

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Oops.  The right one is broken.  Probably a bulb.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issue

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Both front turn signals are also running lights. Both should be on when the 
ignition is turned on. So if only one is on with ignition is on, then one, the 
right one is not working. If the right turn signal is working (blinking), it is 
probably the bulb. 

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal

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> Just buy new ones. They're cheap enough.

I paid $20 for my entire bike to rescue it from the scrap bin, and am
converting it to electric, using industrial garbage, as somewhat of a
challenge. So, "go buy some" is against the playbook if possible. :p

> I bought the rubber componets for three and they were like 7 bucks a piece.

*wince*. Alright, I'm tempted. Whereat?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal

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And they’ll last another 30 years. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal

[Amanda Wurzer]

Just buy new ones. They're cheap enough.

On Dec 21, 2018 6:45 PM, "MattsAwesomeStuff" 
wrote:

On that note, I have my turn signals, but the rubber is split at back
of the clamp.

Any ideas on what types of material will fuse rubber?

Rubber cement I have found out, is temporary adhesive.
Silicone does not work.
Tire patch does not work.
Superglue does not work.
PVC glue does not work.

My next best guess is to make some large staples out of steel and then
puncture them through the rubber on both sides like surgery staples.


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal

[MattsAwesomeStuff]

On that note, I have my turn signals, but the rubber is split at back
of the clamp.

Any ideas on what types of material will fuse rubber?

Rubber cement I have found out, is temporary adhesive.
Silicone does not work.
Tire patch does not work.
Superglue does not work.
PVC glue does not work.

My next best guess is to make some large staples out of steel and then
puncture them through the rubber on both sides like surgery staples.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issues

[Quartermaster35]

Kyle,

LEDs are polarity sensitive.try switching around the connection

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-5, Quartermaster35 wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 8:46:37 AM UTC-5, Kyle Munz wrote:
>>
>> The LEDs don't create enough resistance for the flasher unit. There are 
>> kits to add resistors inline to please the flasher but that defeats the 
>> purpose of LEDs. You can also get a new flasher unit that works off of a 
>> timer rather than resistance. Or, you can go back to bulb style turn 
>> signals. 
>>
>>
>> -Kyle 
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Derek Paquette  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I feel like an idiot. I hooked up my LED turn signals in the front, 
>>> besides an increased flashing time no issues. Took apart the rear. Hooked 
>>> orange to orange green to green, matched all wires. Now turning signals 
>>> will not work at all. I disconnected the rear and the front do not work. I 
>>> have a 93 Honda Nighthawk 750. Any ideas or suggestions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Derek
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issues

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On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 8:46:37 AM UTC-5, Kyle Munz wrote:
>
> The LEDs don't create enough resistance for the flasher unit. There are 
> kits to add resistors inline to please the flasher but that defeats the 
> purpose of LEDs. You can also get a new flasher unit that works off of a 
> timer rather than resistance. Or, you can go back to bulb style turn 
> signals. 
>
>
> -Kyle 
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Derek Paquette  > wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I feel like an idiot. I hooked up my LED turn signals in the front, 
>> besides an increased flashing time no issues. Took apart the rear. Hooked 
>> orange to orange green to green, matched all wires. Now turning signals 
>> will not work at all. I disconnected the rear and the front do not work. I 
>> have a 93 Honda Nighthawk 750. Any ideas or suggestions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Derek
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal issues

[Kyle Munz]

The LEDs don't create enough resistance for the flasher unit. There are
kits to add resistors inline to please the flasher but that defeats the
purpose of LEDs. You can also get a new flasher unit that works off of a
timer rather than resistance. Or, you can go back to bulb style turn
signals.


-Kyle

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Derek Paquette  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I feel like an idiot. I hooked up my LED turn signals in the front,
> besides an increased flashing time no issues. Took apart the rear. Hooked
> orange to orange green to green, matched all wires. Now turning signals
> will not work at all. I disconnected the rear and the front do not work. I
> have a 93 Honda Nighthawk 750. Any ideas or suggestions.
>
> Cheers,
> Derek
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn Signal issues

[Tommy Hill]

What bike?  Mine (650 and 700) are on the right side.  That pic looks like it.  
Turn on the signal and feel it to see if it blinks.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal stem replacement

[Brian Collett]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/2X-Front-Turn-Signal-Indicator-Blinkers-for-91-03-Honda-Nighthawk-CB750-CB-750-/171184026654?txnId=1430024923007

Just get these last week. It took 10 days, but it looks and works great.  Good 
price.

Sincerely,


Brian
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> Did you check Partzilla?  If not there, cmsnl.com has lots of hard to find 
> stuff. 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn Signal Issue

[Allen Thomas]

That is the big question, when you switch to LED you either have to add
load like with a blast resistor. Or switch to a solid state flasher relay.
If it has bulbs check for burned out ones, that will make them not flash.

Allen Thomas
On Jul 18, 2015 12:16 PM, James O'Gorman aspor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are they LED bulbs?


 On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:46, 'Jaybird248' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! 
 nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Hey, guys. I've developed a curious turn signal malfunction on my '93
 NH750 with 20K miles.  On left turns, dash indicator lights but not either
 turn signal. On right turns, dash indicator is mostly out, occasionally
 flashes, but only the rear signal flashes and it flashes normally. Front is
 out completely. I can hear the flasher clicking under the seat in both
 directions. These are not the original turn signals, and they've always
 flashed faster and weaker than the OEM units. The previous owner installed
 them.

 Anybody have an idea what might be going on?

 Thanks in advance,

 Jay S
 '93 NH750
 '92 NH750 (retired)

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn Signal Issue

[James O'Gorman]

Are they LED bulbs?


 On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:46, 'Jaybird248' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! 
 nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hey, guys. I've developed a curious turn signal malfunction on my '93 NH750 
 with 20K miles.  On left turns, dash indicator lights but not either turn 
 signal. On right turns, dash indicator is mostly out, occasionally flashes, 
 but only the rear signal flashes and it flashes normally. Front is out 
 completely. I can hear the flasher clicking under the seat in both 
 directions. These are not the original turn signals, and they've always 
 flashed faster and weaker than the OEM units. The previous owner installed 
 them.
 
 Anybody have an idea what might be going on?
 
 Thanks in advance, 
 
 Jay S
 '93 NH750
 '92 NH750 (retired)
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn Signal Puzzler

[Graham Rogers]

Check that your charging system is working correctly - charging to about 14.5 
volts when revving the engine.

On Aug 27, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Knightly's Nighthawk wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I'd really appreciate your help with a very puzzling problem I've been having 
 with my '83 650. 
 
 My turn signals recently began acting funny- working only intermittently. 
 They'd work in my garage, and then about a mile down the road, would stop 
 working altogether. Initially I thought it was the relay going bad. I 
 replaced that and still had the issue. I reinstalled the old relay, since 
 that was not the issue. 
 
 Then I figured it was the switch itself, so I replaced the whole left 
 assembly (see pic here). While installing the wiring, I checked all the 
 connections behind the headlight, but could find no loose ones. With this new 
 switch, I have the same problem. I hop on my bike, turn on the key, check the 
 signals and they work great. I start driving and they continue to work until 
 I've gone about a mile, and then they cut out and refuse to come back on. I 
 drive the bike back home, turn it off and try them again. Still nothing. I 
 try an hour later, still nothing. BUT, if I let it sit overnight, they work 
 again in the morning. It's worth noting that all my other functions - Hi/Low 
 Beam, Horn, brake lights, etc work great no matter what.
 
 What is going on?? Could this have something to do with something 
 overheating? I'm really baffled. 
 
 Thank you in advance for your help! 
 
 - James
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn Signal Puzzler

[Kurt Nolte]

Find where the turn signals ground and clean/check that termination. Make
sure both bullets are firmly seated in the socket.

-Kurt


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Check that your charging system is working correctly - charging to about
 14.5 volts when revving the engine.

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Knightly's Nighthawk wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'd really appreciate your help with a very puzzling problem I've been
 having with my '83 650.

 My turn signals recently began acting funny- working only intermittently.
 They'd work in my garage, and then about a mile down the road, would stop
 working altogether. Initially I thought it was the relay going bad. I
 replaced that and still had the issue. I reinstalled the old relay, since
 that was not the issue.

 Then I figured it was the switch itself, so I replaced the whole left
 assembly (see pic here
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/160930404456?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648).
 While installing the wiring, I checked all the connections behind the
 headlight, but could find no loose ones. With this new switch, I have the
 same problem. I hop on my bike, turn on the key, check the signals and they
 work great. I start driving and they continue to work until I've gone about
 a mile, and then they cut out and refuse to come back on. I drive the bike
 back home, turn it off and try them again. Still nothing. I try an hour
 later, still nothing. BUT, if I let it sit overnight, they work again in
 the morning. It's worth noting that all my other functions - Hi/Low Beam,
 Horn, brake lights, etc work great no matter what.

 What is going on?? Could this have something to do with something
 overheating? I'm really baffled.

 Thank you in advance for your help!

 - James

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Allen  Javier,  I think I fixed the turn signal problem.  I started work on 
another 650 Nighthawk and got to the turn signals and ran into the same 
problem.  I started doing the usual, checking connections, grounds and the 
flasher unit.  The same response as the first one.  I switched flasher units 
with the only other one I had and no change.  As a final measure I took the 
flasher unit out of my good Nighthawk and voila - it worked - on both 650's 
well almost.  The problem 650, the one you are coming to fix tomorrow now 
flashers normally on one side and fast on the other.  So I don't know why it's 
flashing fast but at least the initial problem is solved.  I need more flasher 
units.  All four I tried and two at least I thought were good aren't. further 
update . now all signals are working - faulty after market turn signal was 
causing fast flashing signals.  I replaced them with a set of genuine CB650SC 
turn signals and all are working correct now.  Now to go hunting for flasher 
units,  I'm short two,  Graham

On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Well that's a good reason to sell a bike! ;-)
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:14:52 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Friday would be fine Allen.  The link was to a nice 1979 GS1000 for sale on 
 CL with one problem - the turn signal switch  Graham
 
 On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I didn't get the link. Javier are you able to go? If not I might try to go 
 up Friday if that is ok with you Graham. Jason can't go he is busy.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I sent you a link to a GS1000 for sale, note the turn signal control 
 
 
 On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the 
 same for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours 
 now, but I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new 
 carb kits (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I 
 forgot about them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Allen,  I sent you a link to a GS1000 for sale, note the turn signal control 


On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits 
 (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

I didn't get the link. Javier are you able to go? If not I might try to go up 
Friday if that is ok with you Graham. Jason can't go he is busy.
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

Allen,  I sent you a link to a GS1000 for sale, note the turn signal control 


On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits 
 (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Friday would be fine Allen.  The link was to a nice 1979 GS1000 for sale on CL 
with one problem - the turn signal switch  Graham

On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I didn't get the link. Javier are you able to go? If not I might try to go up 
 Friday if that is ok with you Graham. Jason can't go he is busy.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:06:22 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I sent you a link to a GS1000 for sale, note the turn signal control 
 
 
 On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, 
 but I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb 
 kits (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot 
 about them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

Well that's a good reason to sell a bike! ;-) 
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From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:14:52 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

Friday would be fine Allen.  The link was to a nice 1979 GS1000 for sale on CL 
with one problem - the turn signal switch  Graham

On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I didn't get the link. Javier are you able to go? If not I might try to go up 
 Friday if that is ok with you Graham. Jason can't go he is busy.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:06:22 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I sent you a link to a GS1000 for sale, note the turn signal control 
 
 
 On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, 
 but I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb 
 kits (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot 
 about them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

still on for this Saturday Allen and whoever else?  We are keeping Saturday 
open here,  Graham

On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits 
 (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

I should be good, Jason, Javier how about you?
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From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:05:21 
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

still on for this Saturday Allen and whoever else?  We are keeping Saturday 
open here,  Graham

On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits 
 (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Javier Garcia]

If I am here (the US) I should be able to go, but I will know for sure
later in the week.
Javier.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 I should be good, Jason, Javier how about you?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:05:21 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 still on for this Saturday Allen and whoever else?  We are keeping
 Saturday open here,  Graham

 On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even
 if I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down
 to turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham

 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the
 same for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours
 now, but I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new
 carb kits (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I
 forgot about them. Graham

 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
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 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham


 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:

 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will
 probably be moving to Boston.

 Javier.

 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
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 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well -
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!


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 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Javier, bring the 650 and we will take care of the fork seals.  I mailed the 
'seal mate' today,  Graham

On Sep 10, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I should be good, Jason, Javier how about you?
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 still on for this Saturday Allen and whoever else?  We are keeping Saturday 
 open here,  Graham
 
 On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, 
 but I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb 
 kits (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot 
 about them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if I'm 
by myself.
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

-Original Message-
From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham

On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could use 
 the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits (4 
 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

we could do it that weekend Allen (15th).  In the meantime,  I'll steer at it 
and keep trying - in theory should be able to do it,  Graham
 
On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 If you have availability next weekend I'll come up to help you out, even if 
 I'm by myself.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:30:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
 turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could 
 use the carb kits though.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits 
 (4 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a really 
long ride. What is next weekend like?
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham


On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:

 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will probably 
 be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
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 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - except 
 for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Next weekend (15th) might be OK if I can schedule in before Joan  does  
will let you know,   Graham

On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:28:51 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same for 
the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but I 
can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits (4 
packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about them. 
Graham

On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I can 
tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her.  Jason could use the 
carb kits though.
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same for 
the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but I 
can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits (4 
packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about them. 
Graham

On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

They look the same,  maybe what I have is for the GS1000 - you push down to 
turn them off.  Jason is welcome to the kits,  Graham

On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Thanks Graham. No the 79 control pods are a one year only item from what I 
 can tell. I already bought gaskets and an o-ring kit for her. Jason could use 
 the carb kits though.
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 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:20:18 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Allen,  I do have another left hand controls for the GS1000. Is it the same 
 for the GS750?  I'm sure what I have is the same as what's on yours now, but 
 I can't remember it's status.  I also have a complete set of new carb kits (4 
 packets).  I think they arrived after you got the bike and I forgot about 
 them. Graham
 
 On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 I would much rather come up when I could leave in the morning, that is a 
 really long ride. What is next weekend like?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
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 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:58:14 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:
 
 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will 
 probably be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Ross M. Jamison]

Good looking bike!

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
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On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - except 
 for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

yard sale find

On Sep 5, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Ross M. Jamison wrote:

 Good looking bike!
 
 Thank you,
 
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - 
 except for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Can't do it this weekend, going to visit our daughter and her husband in 
Harrisburg and tour some sort of chocolate factory,  Graham

On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
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 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - except 
 for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
 R profile.jpg
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Oh No!   Graham

On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:

 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will probably 
 be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
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 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
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 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - except 
 for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
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 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Hey,  how about Sunday afternoon anyone?   Graham


On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:

 I'm in. In fact, we should get some riding this weekend since I might be 
 flying to Caracas next week for a couple of weeks. After that I will probably 
 be moving to Boston.
 
 Javier.
 
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 Ok guys, what is everyone's availability for the weekend?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Here it is - just got back from a 10 mile run.  Everything runs well - except 
 for the  TURN SIGNALS!!
 
 
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 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Today, I didn't get anywhere with the turn signals so I did the brakes, clutch 
and about everything else on the bike that needs doing.  I have had all the 
plastics and tank repainted and have the new decals to put on,  Graham

On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 No problem. I'm studying this stuff, stop me if I get too technical.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 9:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a 
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. 
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops 
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over 
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just 
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find 
 it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
 the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the 
 turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should 
 if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running 
 lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white 
 is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping 
 wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me 
 carbs to clean instead! Graham
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find it. 
 I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from the gray 
wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the turn signal 
it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should if the gray 
wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running lights go out when 
activating the turn signal). However the green and white is not hot to the bulb 
when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping wires from the relay to 
various places along the wire harness. Just give me carbs to clean instead! 
Graham

On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

Graham, to recap:

You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
again.

If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay;
the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have
voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts.
Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just
get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

 -Kurt

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a certain 
 amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. This 
 causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops 
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over 
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just get 
 intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find 
 it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
 the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the 
 turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should 
 if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running lights 
 go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white is not 
 hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping wires from 
 the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me carbs to 
 clean instead! Graham
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

No problem. I'm studying this stuff, stop me if I get too technical.

Kurt
On Aug 27, 2012 9:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Graham, to recap:

 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.

 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the
 relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you
 have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch
 contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly
 you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

 Kurt
  On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Ross M. Jamison]

Graham,
Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will not 
work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between the led  
power source.

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a 
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. 
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops 
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over 
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just 
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find 
 it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
 the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the 
 turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should 
 if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running 
 lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white 
 is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping 
 wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me 
 carbs to clean instead! Graham
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Hanghank]

Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low load, and 
I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to increase the 
load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with the power would 
reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current operated relays 
require additional load to be added to the circuit, negating the benefit of the 
reduced current.  No resistor needed except for current operated relays.  Why 
not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy savings?

From: Ross M. Jamison 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

Graham,
Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will not 
work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between the led  
power source.


Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:


  thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham 

  On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:


Graham, to recap:

You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect the 
pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a certain 
amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. This causes 
the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops flowing, the 
strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over again.

If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
upstream of the switch, including the switch itself. 

When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have voltage 
at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. Unplug the 
wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just get intermittent 
voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

Kurt


On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

  Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't 
find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the turn 
signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should if the 
gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running lights go out 
when activating the turn signal). However the green and white is not hot to the 
bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping wires from the relay to 
various places along the wire harness. Just give me carbs to clean instead! 
Graham 

  On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:


Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire? 
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT



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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

That is what the givi cases are for. 
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT



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Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. 
:/ 

Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

-Kurt

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

Resistors for LEDs must go in series with the diode, not across the leads.
If you bridge the leads you don't get much bump in resistance or current;
diodes have a fixed voltage drop, and elements in parallel MUST match
voltage drops.

Kurt
On Aug 27, 2012 1:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:

   Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low
 load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to *
 increase* the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with
 the power would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current
 operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit,
 negating the benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for
 current operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the
 energy savings?

  *From:* Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
 *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 *To:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Cc:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

  Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent
 will not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor
 between the led  power source.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind
 on something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

  On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

  Graham, to recap:

 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.

 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the
 relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you
 have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch
 contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly
 you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

  On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

  Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 *To: *Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: *althomas...@gmail.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *From: *Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 *Sender: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

 -Kurt

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Ross M. Jamison]

Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:

 Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low load, 
 and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to increase 
 the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with the power 
 would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current operated 
 relays require additional load to be added to the circuit,  negating the 
 benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for current 
 operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy 
 savings?
  
 From: Ross M. Jamison
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
 Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will 
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between the 
 led  power source.
 
 Thank you,
  
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
  
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a 
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. 
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops 
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over 
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly  you'll 
 just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find 
 it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
 the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the 
 turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should 
 if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running 
 lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white 
 is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping 
 wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me 
 carbs to clean instead! Graham
  
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
  
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
  
 -Kurt
  
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[Ross M. Jamison]

What you guys said.

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 Resistors for LEDs must go in series with the diode, not across the leads. If 
 you bridge the leads you don't get much bump in resistance or current; diodes 
 have a fixed voltage drop, and elements in parallel MUST match voltage drops.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 1:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:
 Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low load, 
 and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to increase 
 the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with the power 
 would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current operated 
 relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, negating the 
 benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for current 
 operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy 
 savings?
  
 From: Ross M. Jamison
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will 
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between the 
 led  power source.
 
 Thank you,
  
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
  
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a 
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. 
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops 
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over 
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just 
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find 
 it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
 the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the 
 turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should 
 if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running 
 lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white 
 is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping 
 wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me 
 carbs to clean instead! Graham
  
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 That is what the givi cases are for.  
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
  
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
  
 -Kurt
  
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

ballast resistor is the term I typically hear.

An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard
filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is
the byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across
the element gives you more current through it, thus more light.

An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction
of two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed
by properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help
it.

If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as
the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. Drop in LEDs
have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down
to the needed level without drawing high current.

Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial
suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals
of the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase
current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work.

My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit.

Kurt
On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:

  Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low
 load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to *
 increase* the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with
 the power would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current
 operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit,
 negating the benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for
 current operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the
 energy savings?

  *From:* Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
 *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 *To:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Cc:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

  Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent
 will not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor
 between the led  power source.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind
 on something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

  On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

  Graham, to recap:

 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.

 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the
 relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you
 have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch
 contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly
 you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

  On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

  Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *ReplyTo: *althomas...@gmail.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Ross M. Jamison]

Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in disparity 
of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins  have the bike excercized.

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 ballast resistor is the term I typically hear.
 
 An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard 
 filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is the 
 byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across the 
 element gives you more current through it, thus more light.
 
 An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction of 
 two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed by 
 properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help it.
 
 If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as 
 the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. Drop in LEDs 
 have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down to 
 the needed level without drawing high current.
 
 Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial 
 suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals of 
 the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase 
 current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work.
 
 My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is
 
 Thank you,
 
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low load, 
 and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to increase 
 the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series  with the power 
 would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current operated 
 relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, negating the 
 benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for current 
 operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy 
 savings?
  
 From: Ross M. Jamison
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will 
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between 
 the led  power source.
 
 Thank you,
  
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
  
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and 
 connect the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs 
 draws a certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a 
 metal strip. This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. 
 Current stops flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the 
 cycle all over again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the 
 relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you 
 have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch 
 contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly 
 you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't 
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v 
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I 
 activate the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which 
 may be it should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights 
 and the running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However 
 the green and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn 
 signal. I tried jumping wires from the relay to various places along the 
 wire harness. Just give me carbs to clean instead! Graham
  
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

Sorry, sometimes I launch into lecture mode with these things. Didn't
mean to offend anyone.

Kurt
On Aug 27, 2012 2:39 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in
 disparity of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins  have the bike
 excercized.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 ballast resistor is the term I typically hear.

 An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard
 filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is
 the byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across
 the element gives you more current through it, thus more light.

 An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction
 of two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed
 by properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help
 it.

 If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH,
 as the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. Drop in
 LEDs have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage
 down to the needed level without drawing high current.

 Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial
 suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals
 of the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase
 current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work.

 My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the
 circuit.

 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:

  Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low
 load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to
 *increase* the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series
 with the power would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically,
 current operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit,
 negating the benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for
 current operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the
 energy savings?

  *From:* Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net
 *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 *To:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Cc:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

  Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent
 will not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor
 between the led  power source.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind
 on something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

  On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

  Graham, to recap:

 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.

 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie
 somewhere upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the
 relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you
 have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch
 contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly
 you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Hanghank]

Exercized:  when you ride the devil out of it!
Exorcized:  when you get the priest to drive the devil out of it!
Excercized: circumcision by an ex wife. (Not sure spelling it, but my ex would 
do it!)   ;~)


From: Ross M. Jamison 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:38 PM
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in disparity 
of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins  have the bike excercized.


Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:


  ballast resistor is the term I typically hear. 

  An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard 
filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is the 
byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across the 
element gives you more current through it, thus more light.

  An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction of 
two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed by 
properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help it. 

  If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as 
the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. Drop in LEDs have 
a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down to the 
needed level without drawing high current.

  Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial 
suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals of 
the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase current, 
allowing the load dependent flasher to work.

  My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit.

  Kurt

  On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net 
wrote:

Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is


Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:


  Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low 
load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to 
increase the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with the 
power would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current operated 
relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, negating the benefit 
of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for current operated relays. 
 Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy savings?

  From: Ross M. Jamison 
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
  To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

  Graham,
  Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent 
will not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between 
the led  power source.


  Thank you,

  Ross M. Jamison
  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
wrote:


thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind 
on something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham 

On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:


  Graham, to recap:

  You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

  The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in 
the switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a certain 
amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. This causes 
the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops flowing, the 
strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over again.

  If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie 
somewhere upstream of the switch, including the switch itself. 

  When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the 
relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just get 
intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

  Kurt


  On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - 
couldn't find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 
12 v from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I 
activate the turn signal it cancels the voltage

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

thanks Ross,  I already thought of that

On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison wrote:

 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will 
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between the 
 led  power source.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect 
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a 
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. 
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops 
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over 
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere 
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; 
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have 
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. 
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just 
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find 
 it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v from 
 the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the 
 turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should 
 if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running 
 lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white 
 is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping 
 wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me 
 carbs to clean instead! Graham
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Joey Kelley]

Graham,
 Dumb question - if you pull the turn signals out and
separate them from the harness - do you have power at the appropriate
wires there? If you do, its in the socket or the wires leading to it.
If not, your break is between that point in the harness and the rest
of the harness.
 -Joey

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Graham Rogers
grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks Ross,  I already thought of that

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison wrote:

 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between
 the led  power source.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Graham, to recap:

 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.

 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay;
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts.
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

 Kurt

 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
 From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
 To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

all the turn signals work when tested on a battery

On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Joey Kelley wrote:

 Graham,
 Dumb question - if you pull the turn signals out and
 separate them from the harness - do you have power at the appropriate
 wires there? If you do, its in the socket or the wires leading to it.
 If not, your break is between that point in the harness and the rest
 of the harness.
 -Joey
 
 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Graham Rogers
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks Ross,  I already thought of that
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison wrote:
 
 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between
 the led  power source.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay;
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts.
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
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 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/
 
 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
 -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Ross M. Jamison]

None taken. Good info to know 

Thank you,

Ross M. Jamison
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, sometimes I launch into lecture mode with these things. Didn't mean 
 to offend anyone.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 2:39 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in 
 disparity of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins  have the bike excercized.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 ballast resistor is the term I typically hear.
 
 An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard 
 filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is 
 the byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across 
 the element gives you more current through it, thus more light.
 
 An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction of 
 two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed by 
 properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help it.
 
 If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as 
 the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. Drop in LEDs 
 have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down to 
 the needed level without drawing high current.
 
 Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial 
 suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals 
 of the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase 
 current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work.
 
 My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison ross.m.jami...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is
 
 Thank you,
 
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 Double check that.  I know only a little about LED’s but they are low  
 load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to 
 increase the load, or current consumption.  Putting them in series with the 
 power would reduce the voltage/current even more.  Ironically, current 
 operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, 
 negating the benefit of the reduced current.  No resistor needed except for 
 current operated relays.  Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the 
 energy savings?
  
 From: Ross M. Jamison
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Cc: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
  
 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will 
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between 
 the led  power source.
 
 Thank you,
  
 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on 
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
  
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Graham, to recap:
 
 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the 
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and 
 connect the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs 
 draws a certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a 
 metal strip. This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. 
 Current stops flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the 
 cycle all over again.
 
 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie 
 somewhere upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the 
 relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you 
 have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch 
 contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly 
 you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't 
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 
 v from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I 
 activate the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which 
 may be it should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights 
 and the running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However 
 the green and white

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Joey Kelley]

Graham,
  I'd still pull them and check the harness - can't hurt - but
if that is the case, you have a break in a wire or another disconnect
somewhere between the plug in for the signals and where the power
comes from.
 -Joey

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Graham Rogers
grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all the turn signals work when tested on a battery

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Joey Kelley wrote:

 Graham,
 Dumb question - if you pull the turn signals out and
 separate them from the harness - do you have power at the appropriate
 wires there? If you do, its in the socket or the wires leading to it.
 If not, your break is between that point in the harness and the rest
 of the harness.
 -Joey

 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Graham Rogers
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks Ross,  I already thought of that

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison wrote:

 Graham,
 Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent will
 not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between
 the led  power source.

 Thank you,

 Ross M. Jamison
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on
 something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham

 On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Graham, to recap:

 You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.

 The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
 switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect
 the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
 certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip.
 This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops
 flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over
 again.

 If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere
 upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.

 When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay;
 the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have
 voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts.
 Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just
 get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.

 Kurt

 On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
 find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have 12 v
 from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate
 the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it
 should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
 running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green
 and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried
 jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just
 give me carbs to clean instead! Graham

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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 That is what the givi cases are for.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

 -Kurt

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Jason King]

Bad ground! Graham check and clean the grounds.
On Aug 27, 2012 3:24 PM, Joey Kelley sandp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Graham,
   I'd still pull them and check the harness - can't hurt - but
 if that is the case, you have a break in a wire or another disconnect
 somewhere between the plug in for the signals and where the power
 comes from.
  -Joey

 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Graham Rogers
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
  all the turn signals work when tested on a battery
 
  On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Joey Kelley wrote:
 
  Graham,
  Dumb question - if you pull the turn signals out and
  separate them from the harness - do you have power at the appropriate
  wires there? If you do, its in the socket or the wires leading to it.
  If not, your break is between that point in the harness and the rest
  of the harness.
  -Joey
 
  On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Graham Rogers
  grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
  thanks Ross,  I already thought of that
 
  On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Ross M. Jamison wrote:
 
  Graham,
  Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led  incandescent
 will
  not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor
 between
  the led  power source.
 
  Thank you,
 
  Ross M. Jamison
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  thanks Kurt,  I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind
 on
  something else for a while, it's too boggled,  Graham
 
  On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
  Graham, to recap:
 
  You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs.
 
  The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the
  switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and
 connect
  the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a
  certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal
 strip.
  This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current
 stops
  flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all
 over
  again.
 
  If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie
 somewhere
  upstream of the switch, including the switch itself.
 
  When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the
 relay;
  the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have
  voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch
 contacts.
  Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll
 just
  get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks.
 
  Kurt
 
  On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Allen,  I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't
  find it.  I'll try again today and report back.  It seems that I have
 12 v
  from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I
 activate
  the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be
 it
  should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the
  running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the
 green
  and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I
 tried
  jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire
 harness. Just
  give me carbs to clean instead! Graham
 
  On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
  Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
  Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
  
  From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
  Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +
  To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
  ReplyTo: althomas...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
  That is what the givi cases are for.
  Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
  
  From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
  Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
  Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400
  To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
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  Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
  You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away.
 :/
 
  Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...
 
  -Kurt
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

I'm in, I'm in!

On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:
 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come
 
 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out Graham.
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 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity 
 check is. :p
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  
 I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls which 
 includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness - no 
 change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
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 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
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 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in 
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives 
 in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air 
 box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four 
 aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I 
 have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and 
 cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real 
 nice and everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice roads 
out your way.
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I'm in, I'm in!

On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:
 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come
 
 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity 
 check is. :p
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  
 I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls which 
 includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness - no 
 change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in 
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives 
 in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air 
 box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four 
 aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I 
 have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and 
 cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real 
 nice and everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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[Graham Rogers]

On the hill behind the house overlooking the valley.

On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice 
 roads out your way.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 I'm in, I'm in!
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:
 
 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:
 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come
 
 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity 
 check is. :p
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  
 I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls 
 which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness 
 - no change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four 
 it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, 
 I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse 
 to relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been 
 in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever 
 lives in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and 
 the air box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them 
 with four aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten 
 through.  I have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal 
 units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it 
 runs real nice and everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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[Allen Thomas]

Does your tent sleep 3?
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I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice
 roads out your way.
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 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:22:05 -0400
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 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I'm in, I'm in!

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:

 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come

 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out
 Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *From: * Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a
 continuity check is. :p

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to
 wiring.  I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized
 wiring harness for the 650 is done.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar
 controls which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse
 block harness - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of
 bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all
 four it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are
 good, I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from
 fuse to relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to
 the switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn 
 signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had
 been in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or 
 whatever
 lives in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and 
 the
 air box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with 
 four
 aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  
 I
 have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and 
 cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When
 I activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off 
 but
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn 
 signal
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So,
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

no comment

On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Does your tent sleep 3?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
 
 On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice 
 roads out your way.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
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 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 I'm in, I'm in!
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:
 
 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:
 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come
 
 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity 
 check is. :p
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  
 I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls 
 which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness 
 - no change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four 
 it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, 
 I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse 
 to relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been 
 in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever 
 lives in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and 
 the air box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them 
 with four aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten 
 through.  I have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal 
 units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it 
 runs real nice and everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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I didn't ask if the SLEEPING BAG slept 3. Jeesh!
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no comment

On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Does your tent sleep 3?
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
 
 On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice 
 roads out your way.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:22:05 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 I'm in, I'm in!
 
 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:
 
 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:
 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come
 
 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity 
 check is. :p
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  
 I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls 
 which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness 
 - no change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four 
 it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, 
 I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse 
 to relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been 
 in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever 
 lives in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and 
 the air box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them 
 with four aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten 
 through.  I have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal 
 units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it 
 runs real nice and everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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[Javier Garcia]

LOL! Not really, it bearly sleeps 2, but i have another one you can borrow.

Javier.
On Aug 26, 2012 9:07 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't ask if the SLEEPING BAG slept 3. Jeesh!
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 no comment

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Does your tent sleep 3?
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 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
 On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice
 roads out your way.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:22:05 -0400
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 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I'm in, I'm in!

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:

 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come

 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out
 Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a
 continuity check is. :p

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to
 wiring.  I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized
 wiring harness for the 650 is done.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar
 controls which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse
 block harness - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of
 bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN
 ALLEN!

 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all
 four it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are
 good, I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring 
 from
 fuse to relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to
 the switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn 
 signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers 
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had
 been in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or 
 whatever
 lives in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and 
 the
 air box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with 
 four
 aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through. 
  I
 have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and 
 cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.
  When I activate the left hand signal, the left

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

That's probably for the best, you have never heard Jason snore. Sounds like a 
bunch of hogs fighting.
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

-Original Message-
From: Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:18:32 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

LOL! Not really, it bearly sleeps 2, but i have another one you can borrow.

Javier.
On Aug 26, 2012 9:07 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't ask if the SLEEPING BAG slept 3. Jeesh!
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:01:45 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 no comment

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Does your tent sleep 3?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:54:56 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
 On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice
 roads out your way.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:22:05 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I'm in, I'm in!

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:

 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come

 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out
 Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a
 continuity check is. :p

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to
 wiring.  I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized
 wiring harness for the 650 is done.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar
 controls which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse
 block harness - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of
 bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN
 ALLEN!

 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all
 four it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are
 good, I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring 
 from
 fuse to relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to
 the switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn 
 signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers 
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had
 been in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or 
 whatever
 lives in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and 
 the
 air box which delighted the mice

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Jason King]

Its gotten better just sounds like cats fighting now lol!
On Aug 26, 2012 9:44 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 **
 That's probably for the best, you have never heard Jason snore. Sounds
 like a bunch of hogs fighting.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:18:32 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 LOL! Not really, it bearly sleeps 2, but i have another one you can borrow.

 Javier.
 On Aug 26, 2012 9:07 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't ask if the SLEEPING BAG slept 3. Jeesh!
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:01:45 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 no comment

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Does your tent sleep 3?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:54:56 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
 On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice
 roads out your way.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:22:05 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I'm in, I'm in!

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:

 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come

 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas 
 althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out
 Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a
 continuity check is. :p

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to
 wiring.  I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized
 wiring harness for the 650 is done.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar
 controls which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse
 block harness - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set
 of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN
 ALLEN!

 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all
 four it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are
 good, I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring 
 from
 fuse to relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers 
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to
 the switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn 
 signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers 
 grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had
 been in a barn

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

-Kurt

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[greenzer...@gmail.com]

I have a tent big enough to sleep 12... And still have room to work on the 
bikes inside! But u have to come to florida to pick it up



---Original Message---
From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Sent: 8/26/2012 9:44 am
To: Nightwawk Lovers nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

That's probably for the best, you have never heard Jason snore. Sounds like a 
bunch of hogs fighting.
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

-Original Message-
From: Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:18:32 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

LOL! Not really, it bearly sleeps 2, but i have another one you can borrow.

Javier.
On Aug 26, 2012 9:07 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't ask if the SLEEPING BAG slept 3. Jeesh!
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:01:45 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 no comment

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Does your tent sleep 3?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:54:56 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I got all my camping gear so I'm ready to roll.
 On Aug 26, 2012 7:52 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we camp in the yard? That's a long day trip, and there are some nice
 roads out your way.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:22:05 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 I'm in, I'm in!

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jason King wrote:

 Pack the bikes, its time to ride!
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:16 PM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh oh... Blinker party time?
 On Aug 25, 2012 11:05 PM, paul annen greenzer...@gmail.com wrote:

 do i smell a blinker party i wish i could come

 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 BTW, good job on the wiring diagram, you may have already helped out
 Graham.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:04:35 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a
 continuity check is. :p

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to
 wiring.  I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized
 wiring harness for the 650 is done.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar
 controls which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse
 block harness - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of
 bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 --
 *From: * Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Date: *Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 *To: *nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN
 ALLEN!

 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all
 four it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are
 good, I suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring 
 from
 fuse to relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to
 the switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Javier Garcia]

Kurt, the cooler didn't come on the bike. This time the rest of the family
came also so we didn't have to for everything on the bike. When alone we
take a collapsible cooler that is good enough just for two. Although i
think the two of us plus all the camping gear is too much weight, so I'm
pushing my wife to ride her bike on the next trip.

Javier
On Aug 26, 2012 11:25 AM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

 Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

 -Kurt

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire?
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-Original Message-
From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 
To: Nightwawk Loversnighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: althomas...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

That is what the givi cases are for.
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From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/

Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? Inquiring minds...

-Kurt

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the
switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.

Kurt
On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in
 PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box
 which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum
 waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have
 replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen,
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

No, I switch relays

On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the switch 
 intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
 barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in PA 
 barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box which 
 delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum waste 
 disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have replaced what 
 I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  
 I have the motor running, it runs real nice and everything works except the 
 TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the 
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal does 
 the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element doesn't 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

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Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it
must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I
suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to
relay and from relay to switch.

Kurt
On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in
 PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box
 which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum
 waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have
 replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen,
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

thanks Kurt

On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
 barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in PA 
 barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box which 
 delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum waste 
 disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have replaced what 
 I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned. 
  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and everything works except the 
 TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the 
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal 
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element 
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen, 
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

Did you try to replace the relay?
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Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in PA 
barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box which 
delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum waste 
disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have replaced what I 
could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I 
have the motor running, it runs real nice and everything works except the TURN 
SIGNALS.
Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I activate 
the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the turn signal 
element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal does the same. The 
RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element doesn't work  The rear 
turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S 
GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Yes

On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Did you try to replace the relay?
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
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 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
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 Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
 barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in PA 
 barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box which 
 delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum waste 
 disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have replaced what 
 I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  
 I have the motor running, it runs real nice and everything works except the 
 TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the 
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal does 
 the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element doesn't 
 work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen, Jason, 
 anybody,   WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Allen Thomas]

Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

thanks Kurt

On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
 barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in PA 
 barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box which 
 delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum waste 
 disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have replaced what 
 I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned. 
  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and everything works except the 
 TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the 
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal 
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element 
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen, 
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls which 
includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness - no 
change. 

On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
 barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in 
 PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box 
 which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum 
 waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have 
 replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, 
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and 
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the 
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal 
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element 
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen, 
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring
harness for the 650 is done.

Kurt
On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls
 which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness
 - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
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 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to
 relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been
 in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives
 in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box
 which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum
 waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have
 replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen,
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  I'm 
done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls which 
 includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness - no 
 change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in 
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives 
 in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air 
 box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four 
 aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I 
 have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, 
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and 
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Kurt Nolte]

Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity
check is. :p

Kurt
On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.
  I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring
 harness for the 650 is done.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls
 which includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness
 - no change.

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of
 bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
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 *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

 thanks Kurt

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four
 it must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to
 relay and from relay to switch.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, I switch relays

 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.

 Kurt
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been
 in a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives
 in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box
 which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum
 waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have
 replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen,
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Jason King]

Did you replace the bulbs?
On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:

 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in
 PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box
 which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum
 waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have
 replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned,
 cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real nice and
 everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal
 does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element
 doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen,
 Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

all bulbs are good Jason

On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Jason King wrote:

 Did you replace the bulbs?
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in a 
 barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives in PA 
 barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air box which 
 delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four aluminum waste 
 disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I have replaced what 
 I could, replaced the waste disposal units and cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  
 I have the motor running, it runs real nice and everything works except the 
 TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but the 
 turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn signal does 
 the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal element doesn't 
 work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, Allen, Jason, 
 anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!

[Graham Rogers]

no, but I was all set to throw a meter at the wires and got to thinking why 
destroy a good meter ...

On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Not dense, just underpracticed. After all, you didn't ask what a continuity 
 check is. :p
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 4:02 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Kurt, as you can tell, I'mm a little dense when it comes to wiring.  
 I'm done for today.  I'll pick it up again tomorrow,  Graham
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 I'd still throw a meter on those wires. If it helps, my colorized wiring 
 harness for the 650 is done.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 3:51 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 all bulbs are good,  I just changed the whole left handle bar controls which 
 includes all the wires to the turn signals and the fuse block harness - no 
 change. 
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:
 
 Oops sorry, Kurt's is sound, I'd also add to try a known good set of bulbs.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 From: Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:48:32 -0400
 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 ReplyTo: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN!
 
 thanks Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Hum. Not sure then. It must be wiring related, and to take out all four it 
 must be in the common preswitch wiring. Assuming your fuses are good, I 
 suspect a break but not a short; continuity check the wiring from fuse to 
 relay and from relay to switch.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:38 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 No, I switch relays
 
 On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote:
 
 Bad turn signal relay, perhaps? The signal relay provides power to the 
 switch intermittently, so a bad relay could make for no turn signals.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 2:20 PM, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 This summer I bought a 1983 Nighthawk 650 at a yard sale.  It had been in 
 a barn for many years and was home to a family of mice or whatever lives 
 in PA barns. Someone had remove the boots between the carbs and the air 
 box which delighted the mice no end because it provided them with four 
 aluminum waste disposal units.  Some of the wiring was eaten through.  I 
 have replaced what I could, replaced the waste disposal units and 
 cleaned, cleaned and cleaned.  I have the motor running, it runs real 
 nice and everything works except the TURN SIGNALS.
 Here's what I've got.  The front signals running lights work.  When I 
 activate the left hand signal, the left hand running light goes off but 
 the turn signal element does not work. Activating the right hand turn 
 signal does the same. The RH  running light goes out but the turn signal 
 element doesn't work  The rear turn signals do not come on at all.  So, 
 Allen, Jason, anybody, WHAT'S GOING ON?   Graham
 
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