Re: AF140c

2002-11-12 Thread titides
aie sorry :(

May be they send the materiel just in Europe ?
because It's so expensive to send it in Australia, may be  I 
don't know ?

--

In germany (without the price to send it)

http://www.photo.lu/  - 256 euros

http://www.ny-camera.net/ - 505,90 euros

http://www.fotobrenner.de/  - 549 euros

  -

In USA (without the price to send it)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/- 389,95 dollars

--

You know how much the price for sending this to the Australia ?

May be, I have a solution, you paid the price to Photo.lu, and I send to 
you the ring flash !
I buy it to photo.lu, you paid me for send it, and I send for you the 
flash to the Australia :)
(but I don't know if the flash was available in this shop)
I know a friend (his wife) who was leaving Australia, but his family was 
in Australia :)
so I think, that she know to send article :) or an other thing to know 
for sending to Australia.
(and they are in Luxembourg, the .lu of photo.lu :)

thierry





Shaun Canning a écrit:

They wouldn't mail to Australia Thierry. The person I spoke too was rude and
very unhelpful.

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Victoria, 3086.

Phone: 0414-967 644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: titides [mailto:titides;wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2002 2:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AF140c

I've got it, but I was doing photos in the nigth (for frogs)

you know my web site :)
(in french : ce sont les crapauds fait en pleine nuit donc Z1 + FA 100
macro + AF 140 C)

and photo.lu ? too expensive ?

thierry


Shaun Canning a écrit:

 

Has anybody used an AF140c ring flash recently? I am interested to see some
results from the ring flash and an FA 100mm f2.8 macro.

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Victoria, 3086.

Phone: 0414-967 644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]





   





 







Re: Re: AP (16/11) - Pentax UK Confirms digital SLR launch plan

2002-11-12 Thread akozak
You are right. Many users wait for sth succesor of MZ3. Are you Polish?
Alek from Cracow
Uytkownik Artur Ledchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
- Original Message -
From: Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AP (16/11) - Pentax UK Confirms digital SLR launch plan


 Flagship digital slr; is this a case of unfortunate phrasing? Or is the
film sibling of this camera the long rumored flagship? If the MZ-60 and MZ-6
is going to continue in the line-up, then the new cameras are probably
top-of-the-line.

IMHO what is really needed soon in the film SLR segment is the successor of
the MZ-5n/3. Many people are confused because the MZ-5n is more expensive
than the MZ-6, yet doesn't support P-TTL, has the same AF, has no PF's and
generally is not considered to be superior to the MZ-6. Besides the model
itself is quite old - especially its AF is pretty outdated for the camera
that is considered to be a rival to F80 or EOS30.
I'd love to see something like, say, MZ-2, that would have the SAFOX VII and
P-TTL:)
Regards
Artur





Re: Agfa Portrait 160 XPS

2002-11-12 Thread Sas Gabor
Hi,

On 11 Nov 2002 at 10:12, Bruce Dayton wrote:
 I shot some a while back and was not that happy with it.  I shot it at
 160.  More recently, I was talking to an Agfa rep (complaining) and he
 told me to rate it at 125.  I did so and was much more pleased with
 it.  So based on my test and the Agfa rep, you should rate it at 125.

After getting to the same conclusion with almost all C41 films I 
tried, I shoot all of them at least 1/3 stop overexposed most of the 
time.


Gabor




Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread akozak

Hi,
I just asked about K adaptall, I am going to buy KA one!! for my Tamron 90/2.8.
So you use your without any problems on ZX5 and MZS but you wrote that there can be 
jamming problems (when you mentions Pz-1p). So I hope I can safely use it on my Pz-1 
and maybe in future on MZS or ZX-L for instance.
Please answer
PS Do you know if only FA lenses allow to use P-TTL or not?What if you use A ones or 
adaptall KA?










 Re: Tamron adaptall KA


 On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:19:34 -0500, Jeff wrote:

  Maybe other members can shed some light into the Adaptall compatibility
with
  the AF Pentax models.

 My Adaptall II version of the Tamron SP 90/2.5 works fine on my ZX-5
 and MZ-S, both with and without the Pentax 1.7X AF teleconverter.

 TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ








Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Obviously everyone has a scanner, since they're submitting
online pictures..

some people have to pay someone else to scan.

Herb




Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread Doug Franklin
Hi,

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:30:20 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you use your without any problems on ZX5 and MZS but you
 wrote that there can be jamming problems [...]

I didn't write anything about jamming problems, since I haven't had any
with the Adaptall lenses on K-1000, LX, ZX-5, and MZ-S bodies.

 PS Do you know if only FA lenses allow to use P-TTL or not?
 What if you use A ones or adaptall KA?

Sorry, I don't know, since I don't have the AF-360FGZ flash.  I'm still
using an old AF-280T, and that not very often.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread akozak
So you use safely KA adaptall with new bodies? Is it this one for sure?What about 
metering, like A lenses?
Alek
Uytkownik Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:19:34 -0500, Jeff wrote:

 Maybe other members can shed some light into the Adaptall compatibility with
 the AF Pentax models.

My Adaptall II version of the Tamron SP 90/2.5 works fine on my ZX-5
and MZ-S, both with and without the Pentax 1.7X AF teleconverter.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread gfen
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Herb Chong wrote:
 Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Obviously everyone has a scanner, since they're submitting
 online pictures..
 some people have to pay someone else to scan.

You're right, I think what I meant to say is that obivously everyone has
access to a computer and a scanned image.



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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:38:22 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you use safely KA adaptall with new bodies? Is it this one for sure?What about 
metering, like A lenses?

I have the K Adaptall, not the KA.  It works fine on my two newer
bodies.  No jamming.  Meters as if it were a K or an M lens (no
contacts on the mount).

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Odp: Re: 70-210 vs1 3.5 info please

2002-11-12 Thread Maciej Marchlewski
Dnia 12-11-2002 o godz. 13:49 Fred napisal(a):
 Both are quite
 good, and compare pretty well to the Pentax A 70-210/4.  
However,
 VMC is not SMC, and the flare resistance and color rendition 
of the
 VS1 lenses is not quite the same as in a jen-you-wine Pentax 
lens.
 Both VS1's are good lenses for the money, but the going prices 
for
 the A 70-210/4 have been dropping somewhat as of late, too, 
and it
 is starting to become an economical alternative to 3rd-party
 moderate telephoto zooms.

And what would be a decent price to pay for SMC-A 70-210. 
There's one on polish auction and I would like to know a price 
estimate. All photo equipment is more expensive in Poland that 
in Germany not to mention USA but even the US price level will 
give me a clue.

Cheers

Maciej

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Re: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Simon,

If you agree, I'll be happy to open a DIY section in AOHC website
(www.aohc.it), starting it with your cable instructions and diagram. Another
cable switch was suggested years ago for the MZ-5, but I cannot remember the
author (still here?).

Also, if you agree, I'll be happy to publish the same information in next
January issue of Spotmatc magazine. This could also start a DYI section in
that magazine.

Cheers,

Dario Bonazza

http://www.dariobonazza.com


 Hi All,
 Some time ago I posted about a MZ-6 / ZX-L cable release Cable Switch
 CS-205. They changed the socket on the MZ-6 (Why? Anyone know?) from the
 rest of the MZ range.

 Anyway, because I couldn't bring myself to shell out $80AU for a plug and
a
 switch I've ended up making my own. I've wrote some instructions at;
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/mz6/cablerelease.htm

 But they really should live somewhere along with other cable release
 information and/or FAQ. Any suggestions for a permanent residence?
 Cheers,
 Simon

 PS
 All voltages are shown in Australian Volts. This may vary from countries
 where your voltages are not metric. Please check with your electrical
 supplier for clarification. Also, note that electrons move counter
clockwise
 in the southern hemisphere - this may reverse the polarities, depending on
 where you live.





Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread akozak
Hi,
Sorry, so you use K adaptall with new bodies without problems. I think about KA ones.
Alek
Uytkownik Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:38:22 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you use safely KA adaptall with new bodies? Is it this one for sure?What about 
metering, like A lenses?

I have the K Adaptall, not the KA. It works fine on my two newer
bodies. No jamming. Meters as if it were a K or an M lens (no
contacts on the mount).

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Maciej Marchlewski
I need some clarification on December PUG's theme. As I see on 
pug.komkon.org it's Juxtaposition. I checked the dictionary 
and still need some assistance - is it that photos have to show 
some relation or contrast between two thing or persons? I know 
that with PUG nothing is sure as far as theme's interpretation 
goes but I need this info as to know how much I'm stretching the 
theme. I'm not having the problem fitting into theme yet but 
fully understanding it.

Thank you for helping one pity foreign speaking guy ;-)

Cheers

Maciej

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Re: Re: OT: sliding away?

2002-11-12 Thread David Brooks
gfrn and vic typed

 Begin Original Message 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:38:16 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: sliding away?



In a message dated 11/11/02 10:05:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've never bother to do anything of note in it, until recently.. 
The last
few times I've turned the PC on, I've learned how to use curves and 
levels
to make a nicer looking image, and how to clone out dust. Then I 
learned
how to correctly resize images and DPI for printing.

Is there more to photoshop? Oh yeah.
Do I need to learn it? Nope. I can do everything I need to, and it was
actually pretty easy to learn. 

You really should do yourself a favour and learn to do more with 
photoshop. 
It is an incredible tool. In fact, I would say it is one of my most 
valuable 
pieces of photographic equipment I have.I spend a lot of time just 
playing 
with it and learning various techniques etc. If you are lucky enough 
to have 
a version you may as well get the most out of it...
Vic 

I have PS 6 on 3 machines and Elements on 1.I mostly use PS 6
to do minor adjustments with pic's from the D1.Levels,curves
some cloning etc.I know there is a ton more to learn,
just gotta do it:)
I have 2 teenagers who work for me on my on site jobs and i usually 
watch what they do.They know more than me.I just tell them 
what i want to see in the photo's(they are both amatuer
photographers too so that helps)they do it and print.Works well.
I have a book but its basic,shows results but not always
how they got it done,but it helps.
I like 2 things Elements has,the colour tool and the fill flash.
Have not done layers persay but my front cover for this years
yearbook may be an overlay,so i'll have to play there.
Basically like driving a porshe in downtown Toronto,lots of
power just can't use it wisely:)(but one day)

Dave



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Re: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread Keith Whaley


Dr E D F Williams wrote:
 
 Argh! I rank Epson with Microsoft - as far as business ethics goes. The
 damn thing uses more ink cleaning the jets than it does printing. I can't
 keep feeding it at 50 Euros a meal. Can't afford to keep this pet alive.
 Once, a couple of Christmases back, I used a colour cartridge up - without
 getting one decent print. So good-bye Epson. Maybe one day I'll buy a
 printer that has the jets on the cartridges.

That's someone like Hewlett Packard ~ but let me tell you, I've had
three increasingly more expensive H-Ps, and I've yet to see a
home-based H-P (ink-jet) printer that can hold a candle to Epson when
it comes to color photographic style images/prints...

Gotta be some other, less-expensive answer than Epson's ink-devouring
printers, I'd say. Maybe it hasn't been designed yet...

On the other hand, I LOVE my Epson digital camera! Outstanding photos!
So long as I just keep 'em on a screen somewhere, they're perfect for
viewing, and the whole thing is [relatively] inexpensive.

keith whaley
 
 To start with of course it was wonderful. I got very good prints after the
 initial setting up - getting the monitor and output to look more or less the
 same.
 
 Don




Re: Re: [OT] I'm back :)

2002-11-12 Thread David Brooks
Not me Lon.:)
We actually lost another this weekend(see 
http://brooks1952.tripod.com/epson2450 )so
we are down to 3.Classic case of he adopted usg
Now to find my Juxtaposition picture for the 20th.

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:53:58 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OT] I'm back :)


Does this mean you slam any cute lil' kitty pix posted
on PUG?  Grin.

-Lon

William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Brooks Subject: Re: Re: [OT] I'm back :)
 
  What kind pray tell.You have big dogs correct?
  I'v been trying to talk the SO into a puppy but she's
  a cat person(4):)
 
 I was as commited a cat person as you could hope to meet until
 Leica came into my life.
 Now I see cats for what they are: foul, filthy little alergen
 creating parasites.
 
 William Robb



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Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread Joe Wilensky
I just recently got my first Adaptall lens -- The Tamron SP 90mm f2.5 
macro (the earlier model, with 49mm filter threads). I got Pentax ES 
and Pentax KA Adaptall rings with it.

On my PZ-1 with the KA ring, it seems to behave like any other KA 
lens -- in A mode (same as f/32 on the aperture ring), it reads the 
lens as an f2.5 maximum aperture lens and applies a program curve to 
it. It doesn't behave like an F lens (it won't give approximate 
aperture values if you're using the aperture ring to select f-stop 
and it doesn't give the camera focusing distance or focal length 
info).

The Adaptall KA rings have three contacts, I think, and one would be 
used solely for telling the camera whether the lens is in A mode or 
not. The KA Adaptall rings are all the same, though -- you don't pick 
one that matches the maximum aperture of your lens -- so the lens 
itself (Adaptall 2 ones, anyway) must communicate that info through 
the contacts on the ring.

I don't have enough test images back yet to evaluate the lens' performance.

Joe

Hi,
Sorry, so you use K adaptall with new bodies without problems. I 
think about KA ones.
Alek
Uz™ytkownik Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa?:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:38:22 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 So you use safely KA adaptall with new bodies? Is it this one for 
sure?What about metering, like A lenses?

I have the K Adaptall, not the KA. It works fine on my two newer
bodies. No jamming. Meters as if it were a K or an M lens (no
contacts on the mount).

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ







Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Dr E D F Williams
What I wrote was scanned and *manipulated digitally*. Didn't I? The digital
manipulation is the part that should make it digital. Scanning can be, and
often is,  just a way of getting it onto the web and the image stays, more
or less, the same.

Don

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?


 On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Herb Chong wrote:
  Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Obviously everyone has a scanner, since they're submitting
  online pictures..
  some people have to pay someone else to scan.

 You're right, I think what I meant to say is that obivously everyone has
 access to a computer and a scanned image.



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Re: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images

2002-11-12 Thread Keith Whaley
Fred,

In all of these site cites, my browser says, Netscape is unable to
locate the server.
None of them will open for me. Has anyone else reported that problem?

Wait a minute...I find that if I change the backslashes to forward
slashes, it works! Hah!

Thanks,

keith whaley

Steve Larson wrote:
 
 Fred,
  Thanks for all the data!
 Steve Larson
 Redondo Beach, California

 - Original Message -
 From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:42 AM
 Subject: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images
 
  Prompted by a recent thread involving the Vivitar Series 1 35-85/2.8
  lens and its modification for newer K-mount bodies, I'm providing
  some images involving this lens:
 
  Here are two VS1 35-85/2.8's, the left one of which shows the extra
  baffle, while the right one has been modified:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\1ofeach.jpg;
 
  It is important, of course, to mask off completely the rest of the
  lens when the extra baffle is being removed:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\lensmod.jpg;
 
  It is also possible to remove the K-mount flange and then remove the
  extra baffle after masking off only the flange:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\flangmod.jpg;
 
  A description of the VS1 35-85/2.8 in a 1976 Vivitar Series 1
  brochure:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\brchdscr.jpg;
 
  Specifications for and a photo of the VS1 35-85/2.8 in the same
  Vivitar Series 1 brochure::
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\brchspcs.jpg;
 
  An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1975:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7510mp.jpg;
 
  An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1976:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7607po.jpg;
 
  An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1979:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7904mp.jpg;
 
  Another ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1979:
  http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7907mp.jpg;
 
  Fred
 
 




RE: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread Michael Perham
I have been using HP at my office; they have the jets built into the
cartridge and are very reliable.  However, I have been thinking about a new
printer for home which will be used extensively for printing photo's now
that I have a film scanner and a digital camera (both acquired recently).
I am leaning to the Epson line because they do have the jets in the printer,
not the cartridge and that makes the cartridges very much cheaper.  Also,
many of their models use 6 colours with separate cartridges for each so you
are not forced to buy a new cartridge just because one colour is depleted.

I guess both camps have their pro's and con's.  I think I will go with the
Epson!


Mike.

-Original Message-
From: Dr E D F Williams [mailto:don.williams;pp.inet.fi]
Sent: November 12, 2002 6:06 AM


Argh! I rank Epson with Microsoft - as far as business ethics goes. The
damn thing uses more ink cleaning the jets than it does printing. I can't
keep feeding it at 50 Euros a meal. Can't afford to keep this pet alive.
Once, a couple of Christmases back, I used a colour cartridge up - without
getting one decent print. So good-bye Epson. Maybe one day I'll buy a
printer that has the jets on the cartridges.




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Flavio Minelli
Maciej Marchlewski wrote:
 
 I need some clarification on December PUG's theme. 
 ...

No-no...

 I checked the dictionary
 ...

That's what I would have suggested.
 
 I know
 that with PUG nothing is sure as far as theme's interpretation
 goes but I need this info as to know how much I'm stretching the
 theme. 
 ...

Stretch it as far as it will go and don't be shy, it will be OK.

Ciao, Flavio




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 10:14, Maciej Marchlewski wrote:
 I need some clarification on December PUG's theme. As I see on
 pug.komkon.org it's Juxtaposition. I checked the dictionary
 and still need some assistance - is it that photos have to show
 some relation or contrast between two thing or persons? I know
 that with PUG nothing is sure as far as theme's interpretation
 goes but I need this info as to know how much I'm stretching the
 theme. I'm not having the problem fitting into theme yet but
 fully understanding it.

 Thank you for helping one pity foreign speaking guy ;-)

 Cheers

 Maciej

From Websters On-Line:

One entry found for juxtaposition.
Main Entry: jux?ta?po?si?tion 
Pronunciation:  jk-st-p-'zi-shn
Function:   noun
Etymology:  Latin juxta near + English position -- more at JOUST
Date:   1654
: the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side; also : 
the state of being so placed
- jux?ta?po?si?tion?al  /-'zish-nl, -'zi-sh-nl/ adjective

So the answer to the PUG is that it is a photograph with two or more things 
side by side.

You should stretch the theme to it's limit.  It makes for an interesting 
gallery

I've submitted something.  Should be interesting to see how other people 
interpret the Gallery (Thanks Bill!).

Christian




Odp: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images

2002-11-12 Thread £ukasz Kacperczyk
Read Fred's follow-up post, or change slashes.

Regards,
Lukasz
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images


 Fred,
 
 In all of these site cites, my browser says, Netscape is unable to
 locate the server.
 None of them will open for me. Has anyone else reported that problem?
 
 Wait a minute...I find that if I change the backslashes to forward
 slashes, it works! Hah!
 
 Thanks,
 
 keith whaley
 
 Steve Larson wrote:
  
  Fred,
   Thanks for all the data!
  Steve Larson
  Redondo Beach, California
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:42 AM
  Subject: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images
  
   Prompted by a recent thread involving the Vivitar Series 1 35-85/2.8
   lens and its modification for newer K-mount bodies, I'm providing
   some images involving this lens:
  
   Here are two VS1 35-85/2.8's, the left one of which shows the extra
   baffle, while the right one has been modified:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\1ofeach.jpg;
  
   It is important, of course, to mask off completely the rest of the
   lens when the extra baffle is being removed:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\lensmod.jpg;
  
   It is also possible to remove the K-mount flange and then remove the
   extra baffle after masking off only the flange:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\flangmod.jpg;
  
   A description of the VS1 35-85/2.8 in a 1976 Vivitar Series 1
   brochure:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\brchdscr.jpg;
  
   Specifications for and a photo of the VS1 35-85/2.8 in the same
   Vivitar Series 1 brochure::
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\brchspcs.jpg;
  
   An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1975:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7510mp.jpg;
  
   An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1976:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7607po.jpg;
  
   An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1979:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7904mp.jpg;
  
   Another ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1979:
   http://www.cetussoft.com\pentax\v358528\ad7907mp.jpg;
  
   Fred
  
  
 




RE: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess both camps have their pro's and con's.  I think I will go with the
Epson!

Mike.

i observed before that at the PhotoPlus Expo in NYC a week ago, anyone who
was doing digital output and wasn't a printer vendor was using an Epson.
right now, they are the benchmark in quality of photo reproduction. Canon
and HP are trying to catch up, but i couldn't tell from what they had at
the Expo whether they were close or not.

Herb




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
So the answer to the PUG is that it is a photograph with two or more
things 
side by side.


in English, juxtaposition has the implied connotation that the two objects
placed together would not normally appear together.

Herb




Vs: OT: Is BOKEH real?!?! Was -- Re: If You had to pick one lens.. .

2002-11-12 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Yes, it is. Definitely.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

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Aihe: Re: OT: Is BOKEH real?!?! Was -- Re: If You had to pick one lens.. .


On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, frank theriault wrote:
 AFAIK, Cosina bought the rights to the name Voigtlander.  All things
 Voigtlander are now designed and manufactured in the Mystic East.

Is it too much to ask that Vivitar buys Leitz just so I can hear the
collective howl of a million leicaphiles?






Vs: OT: Is BOKEH real?!?! Was -- Re: If You had to pick one lens .. .

2002-11-12 Thread Raimo Korhonen
FWIIW Sigma has produced 28-70 mm lenses for Leica. So they are not the Asian Zeiss 
(Kyocera is) but they can do a good job if they want to. And the workmanship of the EX 
line (like the 105 Macro I have) is really very good indeed. And nobody knows what 
they have made for other brands.
And I still have a suspicion that the Pentax limiteds may be made by Cosina.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

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Aihe: Re: OT: Is BOKEH real?!?! Was -- Re: If You had to pick one lens .. .


On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Alan Chan wrote:
 Perhaps you don't understand the Japanese industry too well (no ofference

I barely understand my own industry at all, now I'm expected to learn
world economics... Geez, you camera guys are too much... :)

 btw). Cosina brand products are, well... as you know. But the factory Cosina
 actually manufacture many great products, they just don't stamp them
 Cosina. All the latest Voightlanders products were made by Cosina and they

I'm just baffled that Cosina, who seems to have a reputation to have all
the quality control of Kiev, would also be known for turning out top of
the line lenses, as well.

I guess I just don't really have a good enough feeling for how lopsided a
company can even be inside. For instance, Sigma, who isn't exactly highly
reknowned as an Asian Zeiss also produces Quantaray lenses for Ritz. I
know that Sigma isn't as widely trashed as Quantaray is, but I was never
aware of just how many differing levels of quality could come from one
company.






Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:20, Herb Chong wrote:
 Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So the answer to the PUG is that it is a photograph with two or more

 things
 side by side.
 

 in English, juxtaposition has the implied connotation that the two objects
 placed together would not normally appear together.

 Herb

Perhaps it is implied but Webster's Collegiate Dictionary definition makes no 
such reference to this implication.

Implication sounds alot like interpretation

Christian




Re: Vs: OT: Is BOKEH real?!?! Was -- Re: If You had to pick one lens.. .

2002-11-12 Thread gfen
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Raimo Korhonen wrote:
 And I still have a suspicion that the Pentax limiteds may be made by Cosina.

Interesting. I presumed Ashahi had its own lens plant...

In a situation like the above, who does what?
Who designs the actual optical charactoristics of teh lens?
Who builds the prototypes? The regular line?
Who quality controls, and where does the coating come in?

IE, is it the design and prototype would be done by Pentax, or Leitz, or
whomever, then given to Cosina/Sigma/etc for mass production? Does it go
back to the mother company to have coatings applied, or do Cosina have
their own machines do it to the Pentax spec?

-g.


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Re: Re: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread David Brooks
Canon S800 and 900 are good
Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:23:55 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Christmas cards




Dr E D F Williams wrote:
 
 Argh! I rank Epson with Microsoft - as far as business ethics 
goes. The
 damn thing uses more ink cleaning the jets than it does printing. I 
can't
 keep feeding it at 50 Euros a meal. Can't afford to keep this pet 
alive.
 Once, a couple of Christmases back, I used a colour cartridge up - 
without
 getting one decent print. So good-bye Epson. Maybe one day I'll buy 
a
 printer that has the jets on the cartridges.

That's someone like Hewlett Packard ~ but let me tell you, I've had
three increasingly more expensive H-Ps, and I've yet to see a
home-based H-P (ink-jet) printer that can hold a candle to Epson when
it comes to color photographic style images/prints...

Gotta be some other, less-expensive answer than Epson's ink-devouring
printers, I'd say. Maybe it hasn't been designed yet...

On the other hand, I LOVE my Epson digital camera! Outstanding photos!
So long as I just keep 'em on a screen somewhere, they're perfect for
viewing, and the whole thing is [relatively] inexpensive.

keith whaley
 
 To start with of course it was wonderful. I got very good prints 
after the
 initial setting up - getting the monitor and output to look more or 
less the
 same.
 
 Don



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Re: OT: sliding away?

2002-11-12 Thread Pentxuser

In a message dated 11/11/02 8:13:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 LIke what? I'm curious what I should continue to teach myself. 

Try working with Layers to create soft focus effects on a picture that was 
never taken that way. Try combining one image with another to create a whole 
new photograph.
Try converting colour photographs to black and white and then using photoshop 
to colourize the photo for a hand painted effect. Play with some of the 
filters. If used properly they can add a nice touch to many photos
Try scanning in older images that were excellent but had one or two probelms. 
Fix the problems and you now have the photo you always wanted. I did this 
with a couple of fox photos I took at twilight with a flash. Some of the fox 
shots exhibited green eye. They were excellent accept for the green flash 
eyes. I fixed that and they are great shots..
The list goes on
Vic 




Re: Re: OT: sliding away?

2002-11-12 Thread David Brooks
Good tips Vic.
I hope to have the time this winter to work not
only on PS skills but scanning epson 2450 skills.
Now if we could only get Mel Lastman' snow to 
close the city like in 1999,it would help to get my
but off the couch so t speak.:)
Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:05:35 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: sliding away?



In a message dated 11/11/02 8:13:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 LIke what? I'm curious what I should continue to teach myself. 

Try working with Layers to create soft focus effects on a picture 
that was 
never taken that way. Try combining one image with another to create 
a whole 
new photograph.
Try converting colour photographs to black and white and then using 
photoshop 
to colourize the photo for a hand painted effect. Play with some of 
the 
filters. If used properly they can add a nice touch to many photos
Try scanning in older images that were excellent but had one or two 
probelms. 
Fix the problems and you now have the photo you always wanted. I did 
this 
with a couple of fox photos I took at twilight with a flash. Some of 
the fox 
shots exhibited green eye. They were excellent accept for the 
green flash 
eyes. I fixed that and they are great shots..
The list goes on
Vic 



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Re: fa 85mm 1.4 vs 77mm limited

2002-11-12 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Pål wrote:

 Dario wrote:

  According to comparative tests made by AOHC member Carlo Lastrucci,
  the 77 Limited is not as good as FA* 85/1.4, since contrast is
excessive, at
  least for Velvia film (shades are almost always deep blacks) and color
  rendition is cold, too much different from all other Pentax glass,
including other
  Limited lenses. Resolution of the 77mm is rather close to that of the
  85/1.4, but the 85mm is better at most apertures. The only true
  advantage of the 77mm vs. the 85/1.4 FA* is its size.


 Sorry, but this grossly misleading. I've owned both lenses and so have
 many PDML'rs. I've yet to hear about anyone of those who prefers the FA*
 lens.

Now you've heard of.

 There's no difference in color rendition. They are similar to all current
 Pentax lenses; slightly on the warm side. The 77 Limited is sharper at all
 apertures

I'm rather cautious in supporting Carlo's tests 100%, since I wasn't there
at time of making them, and something could have gone wrong. However, since
I know Carlo and I can hardly think he wants to fool me and AOHC friends, I
usually believe his pictures (not just his words). Also, I'm sure that
pictures weren't mixed up, as details have different size at infinity.
According to Carlo's statements, the 77mm looks like the colder Pentax lens
ever tested by him, much different from 85 FA* and even colder than the 35mm
f/2 FA (the latter being the second colder Pentax lens among those tested).
Unfortunately, I only have BW pictures here, supplied to me two years ago
for being published in Spotmatic magazine.

 but they approach each other at F:8 and smaller.

OK, we agree here. Around f/8 both lenses show more or less same sharpness
and detail.

 At wide apertures
 the difference is night and day between the 77 and the 85.
 Actually, the 77 Limited is as sharp at 2.8 as the 85 is at F:8.

Sorry to contradict you, but according to my pictures, things are exactly
the other way round, and the 85 FA* wins very easy against the 77 Ltd.
The 85mm FA* at f/1.4 (not to speak of f/2) is far better than the 77mm at
f/1.8!

 The 85 is also optimized for
 close range focusing. The 77 use fixed rear element to ensure consistent
 quality through the whole focusing range. The FA* lens do not. The FA*
85/14
 is great for shooting test targets or portraits.

Our test shots were taken at infinity, shooting houses and trees.

 For general use it
 basically sucks. It is the only lens I ever owned that I sold dure to the
 fact that wasn't good enough; and it isn't even a consumer lens.

Is it possible we got a bad 77mm Ltd and you got a bad 85mm FA*?

 The 77 has also much better bokeh as bokeh was a design parameter with
this lens.

Apart Pentax claims, did you notice any actual difference, by comparing them
in same situation? I have no opinion on that topic, as I didn't make proper
comparisons.

 BTW  Blacks are supposed to be deep black with Velvia. That's how the film
 is designed. All good lenses will have this feature when using Velvia.

Pål, please don't misunderstand my words. Of course blacks must be black and
I won't discuss that. When I wrote shades are almost always deep blacks I
meant that near all shades become black, even when they shouldn't.

 The part about contrast is excessive doesn't make sense either. Both this
and
 the rendition of the blacks points towards lab/film variations more than
 lens variations.

Sorry, same film for both lenses.

Cheers,

Dario Bonazza

http://www.dariobonazza.com





Re: OT: sliding away?

2002-11-12 Thread Pentxuser

In a message dated 11/12/02 12:15:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Good tips Vic.

I hope to have the time this winter to work not

only on PS skills but scanning epson 2450 skills.

Now if we could only get Mel Lastman' snow to 

close the city like in 1999,it would help to get my

but off the couch so t speak.:)

Dave 

Here's a few things  and some ideas I've done with photoshop and another 
program called painter

http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/digital.html

Vic 




RE: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread Rob Brigham
Consensus is that Canon has now overtaken Epson in the quality stakes,
but the comparable models are double the price and the ink is more
expensive too!

HP are way behind in quality, but generally ahead in terms of speed.

Lexmark are a good budget buy, but be aware you are getting budget
quality - possibly above HP though.

 -Original Message-
 From: Herb Chong [mailto:HerbChong;compuserve.com] 
 Sent: 12 November 2002 16:19
 To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Christmas cards
 
 
 Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I guess both camps have their pro's and con's.  I think I 
 will go with 
 the
 Epson!
 
 Mike.
 
 i observed before that at the PhotoPlus Expo in NYC a week 
 ago, anyone who was doing digital output and wasn't a printer 
 vendor was using an Epson. right now, they are the benchmark 
 in quality of photo reproduction. Canon and HP are trying to 
 catch up, but i couldn't tell from what they had at the Expo 
 whether they were close or not.
 
 Herb
 
 




Re: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Dario Bonazza 2 a écrit:

Simon,

If you agree, I'll be happy to open a DIY section in AOHC website
(www.aohc.it), starting it with your cable instructions and diagram. Another
cable switch was suggested years ago for the MZ-5, but I cannot remember the
author (still here?).

Also, if you agree, I'll be happy to publish the same information in next
January issue of Spotmatc magazine. This could also start a DYI section in
that magazine.



You can find a home made cable switch on my web:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
	at:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/astuces.htm

Theses page are French, but you can translate with:
http://babel.altavista.com/tr

And many tips:
- using focus-aid with AF body and M42 lens with K adaptor.
- using matrix metering with K lenses

Bonjour de France, Michel





Re: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit:

Dario Bonazza 2 a écrit:


Simon,

If you agree, I'll be happy to open a DIY section in AOHC website
(www.aohc.it), starting it with your cable instructions and diagram. 
Another
cable switch was suggested years ago for the MZ-5, but I cannot 
remember the
author (still here?).

Also, if you agree, I'll be happy to publish the same information in next
January issue of Spotmatc magazine. This could also start a DYI 
section in
that magazine.


You can find a home made cable switch on my web:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
at:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/astuces.htm

Sorry:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/trucs.htm


Theses page are French, but you can translate with:
http://babel.altavista.com/tr

And many tips:
- using focus-aid with AF body and M42 lens with K adaptor.
- using matrix metering with K lenses

Bonjour de France, Michel









Re: DIY: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread gfen
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Keith Whaley wrote:
 Some help for paragraph 5.5:
 Paragraph 5.5.1 info:

Keith, thank you for the information on both.. I'll drop that in with the
next big update I do, including alot of stuff from some other listers, as
well as begin to plunder the old FAQ from Ralf, with his permission.

Thank you, and thank you all again.

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Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't know if a wife counts as a pet, but wisdom has it that, in some
ways, a dog is superior to a wife. For example, you can sleep with your
dog when you're lonesome, but you can't kennel your wife when you go on
vacation. 
VBG

Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote:
 
 Does a wife count as a pet ?
 I could not hope for a better alternative...
 
 ;-)
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Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 11/12/2002 11:20:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 in English, juxtaposition has the implied connotation that 
 the two objects
 placed together would not normally appear together.
 
 Herb

This has always been my understanding too. Well, maybe not that one would not see them 
normally together, but that there would be some sort of contrast between the two (or 
more).

Although the Webster dictionary definition is as people have said (I looked in mine 
too), I prefer the one I have found in the American Heritage Dictionary...

To place side by side, esp. for comparison or contrast.

Maybe that's interpretation, but that's always been my understanding of the common 
usage of the word. At least in most of the books I have read.

Doe :-) aka Marnie




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This has always been my understanding too. Well, maybe not that one would
not see them normally together, but that there would be some sort of
contrast between the two (or more).

Doe :-) aka Marnie


what does the Oxford English Dictionary say?

Herb




RE: Way OT (MPG video capture)

2002-11-12 Thread Glen O'Neal
Steve,

I have a package and hardware that was reasonable priced (about $90 USD).
Your camcorder hooks into a converter which then hooks into a USB port on
the computer. Really easy to use and you can do frame advance and capture
images to JPGs. I haven't used it in a while and don't remember the name of
the product. I will dig it out and send you some info.

Glen

-Original Message-
From: Steve Larson [mailto:stevenlarson;adelphia.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Way OT (MPG video capture)


Hi All,
 Sorry for the off topic, but I can`t seem to get a real answer from
anyone, and the PDML has some pretty smart cookies onboard.
 Anyone know if I can take a video camera tape and convert it to
an MPeg? Also, from that MPeg can you save a still photo from it?
Are there programs out there that can do these things?
Reply to stevenlarson@adelphia,net  so the list doesn`t get
clogged up.
Many thanks,
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California




Re: OT: Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Gary J Sibio
At 08:53 AM 11/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Gary J Sibio wrote:
 Wow. And I thought it was a mess when my daughters' snapping turtle knocked
 over a rock and took out the bottom of a 20 gallon tank.

I figured out what was going on at about 40 gallons of water into the rug,
which trust me, was quite a powerful smell. Especially since that rug was
never really taken care of before hand.

It was also less than a week before I was set to go away on vacation. I
have never cleaned my house so hard to try and keep it from really setting
in and stinking.. I kinda did a good job, although, admittedly, it can
still smell during the hot,w et summer months.. Carpet replacement is one
of the many things on the long, long list of things that must be done.



With my luck it would have happened the day after I left for vacation.


Gary J Sibio
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http://home.earthlink.net/~garysibio/

What if squirrels are really the first line in an attack by
extraterrestrials and our dogs are trying to warn us???





Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Dan Scott

On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:55  AM, Dr E D F Williams wrote:


No one has yet suggested a Penthouse Pet. I wonder why? Are we all too 
shy
or is it deference to our lady members?

Don

Dr E D F Williams


Didn't think of it. Are they still called pets?

Dan Scott




Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Dan Scott

On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:42  AM, gfen wrote:


On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Dan Scott wrote:

You'd have to cuddle. Pets and pet owners cuddle. What would you train
him to do?


I've never, once, cuddled with any of my snakes. Nor have I trained 
them
to do tricks other than rear up and eat mouse from tongs, which I 
don't
think counts as a trick. :)

(not only am I still hungry, as in previous post, but my littlest snake
also died last night, which is kinda depressing)

(and I'm REALLY hungry)



You keep 'em, but you don't handle them? I really like the way they 
feel. Smooth muscle in motion. Turned the rat snake loose in the garden 
(caught it for my boy this weekend) to get back to its job. They always 
seem to be a little too aggressive to play with much.

Dan Scott



Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Dan Scott

On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 12:53  AM, Gary J Sibio wrote:


At 07:46 PM 11/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:

William,

   As with all PUG themes, a bit of 'artistic creativity' may be 
necessary to participate.  For instance, if I didn't have a pet, I 
might decide to take a photo of a friends pet, a family members pet, 
or just go to a pet store and take a picture of an animal that I WISH 
I had as a pet . . . now all I need to do is find a petstore that 
sells Bison . . .


So you want a home where the buffalo roam.


And the occupants curse and wipe their feet all day

Dan Scott




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
what does the Oxford English Dictionary say?

Herb


This link will allow free access to the OED entry juxtaposition  for the
next three days.

The link is:
http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/display/00124972?keytype=refijkey=.9reozC70j
jho

Herb




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 13:35, Herb Chong wrote:

 This link will allow free access to the OED entry juxtaposition  for the
 next three days.

 The link is:
 http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/display/00124972?keytype=refijkey=.9reozC70j
 jho

 Herb

Thanks for the link, Herb.  Looks like Webster stole the entry from the 
OED

Christian




Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Raimo Korhonen
In the case of Leitz 3.5-4.5/28-79 Vario-Elmar R it was a Sigma design made by Sigma - 
according to Leica Lens Compendium by Erwin Puts.
As to the Cosina-Pentax link it is pure speculation by myself (and some others) based 
on the outward appearance of the lenses and one observation of a person´s behaviour 
who has actually been inside the Cosina plant (he declined to comment). Pål will 
emphatically deny this and he has been right before.
The vast majority of Pentax lenses is made by Pentax but like we all know there are 
exceptions. Whether Pentax has a hand in the design and/or manufacture of these lenses 
is anybody´s guess.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

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Aihe: Re: Vs: OT: Is BOKEH real?!?! Was -- Re: If You had to pick one lens.. .


On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Raimo Korhonen wrote:
 And I still have a suspicion that the Pentax limiteds may be made by Cosina.

Interesting. I presumed Ashahi had its own lens plant...

In a situation like the above, who does what?
Who designs the actual optical charactoristics of teh lens?
Who builds the prototypes? The regular line?
Who quality controls, and where does the coating come in?

IE, is it the design and prototype would be done by Pentax, or Leitz, or
whomever, then given to Cosina/Sigma/etc for mass production? Does it go
back to the mother company to have coatings applied, or do Cosina have
their own machines do it to the Pentax spec?

-g.







Re: AP (16/11) - Pentax UK Confirms digital SLR launch plan

2002-11-12 Thread ernreed2
Quoth Dan Scott: 
 Now I'll have to go look at other camera co.s to see what my ZX-5n is a 
 rival to. Who decides these things, btw? Is this something the 
 manufacturer sets up or what?

It's In A Class By Itself, of
course.




Re: DC PDML Outing #4 (was RE: Filter/Hood question about 100mm macro)

2002-11-12 Thread moesg
I was referring to Los Angeles, which is where he shot a good portion of his  
photographs; although I'm sure Louisiana would offer some very interesting  
possibilities as well. 




Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Raimo wrote:

 As to the Cosina-Pentax link it is pure speculation by myself (and some others) 
based on the outward appearance of the lenses and one observation of a person´s 
behaviour who has actually been inside the Cosina plant (he declined to comment). Pål 
will emphatically deny this and he has been right before.
 


This is like saying that all black lenses must be made by Nikon and all white ones by 
Canon.

Pål




Re: fa 85mm 1.4 vs 77mm limited

2002-11-12 Thread Alan Chan
Sorry to contradict you, but according to my pictures, things are exactly
the other way round, and the 85 FA* wins very easy against the 77 Ltd.
The 85mm FA* at f/1.4 (not to speak of f/2) is far better than the 77mm at
f/1.8!


During the time I had the FA*85, I found it not quite useable near wide 
open. In fact, it was so soft I tried to stay with f4 or smaller. I have 
never done any formal test, just shooting out and what I got. Never had such 
problem with 77.

Apart Pentax claims, did you notice any actual difference, by comparing 
them
in same situation? I have no opinion on that topic, as I didn't make proper
comparisons.

I know many would consider I am insane, but I have managed to take some very 
nasty bokeh pictures (not every picture btw) with the FA*85, but never with 
the 77. Unfortunately, my 85 was sold years ago so I can make no direct 
comparison.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: A digital weekend ( long )

2002-11-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Nov 2002 at 15:26, Brendan wrote:

 yes it does use the AA type, I used the ones supplied
 with the camera, not my own 1600 mha ones that I keep
 in the AF500 flash.

Hi Brendan,

The batteries could have been abused hence low on capacity as what you are 
experiencing doesn't sound right. The storage was micro-drive? If so I suspect 
that that would have added significantly to the power consumption as does using 
the post view LCD. Cotty could provide some reference real world experience 
with the D60 as he has had his for a month or two now. FWIW I get around 150 
4MP shots off to a set of 4 AA 1600mAh NiMH cells in my E-10.

I don't believe that they are meant for studio use, I haven't seen a film 
camera in the hands of a pro at any news conference, car races or other 
sporting events around here for some time now. Even the local paper is all 
digital.

It sounds like you need to get your clients under control too. I shoot digital along 
side film and I'll show my clients the digital shots after the shoot but not during.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Raimo wrote:

 As to the Cosina-Pentax link it is pure speculation by myself (and some others) 
based on the outward appearance of the lenses and one observation of a person´s 
behaviour who has actually been inside the Cosina plant (he declined to comment). 
Pål will emphatically deny this and he has been right before.

Yes. This ridiculous statement was put up on a web page because they looked similar. 
Well so does the G-lenses for Contax. Maybe Zeiss is making the Limiteds? BTW have you 
seen the lookalike between Minolta and Canon Telephotos? 
In fact, great measures was taken to get the person who owned that web page to change 
his statements. This involved people VERY high up at Pentax who were very unhappy 
about false rumors stated as facts. 

Pål




Re: [OT] I'm back :)

2002-11-12 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jeff 
 In a few months, that puppy will have the cat for breakfast.

Nah, they are absolutely the best of friends.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/Leica_T-Max4.jpg


William Robb




RE: fa 85mm 1.4 vs 77mm limited

2002-11-12 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Alan Chan [mailto:wlachan;hotmail.com]


 During the time I had the FA*85, I found it not quite
 useable near wide
 open. In fact, it was so soft I tried to stay with f4 or
 smaller. I have
 never done any formal test, just shooting out and what I
 got. Never had such
 problem with 77.

Interesting. I almost exclusively use it between 1.4 and 2.8.

The pictures look pretty sharp to me. They got sharper once I got the
MZ-S and could actually see what I was focusing on...


 I know many would consider I am insane, but I have managed
 to take some very
 nasty bokeh pictures (not every picture btw) with the
 FA*85, but never with
 the 77. Unfortunately, my 85 was sold years ago so I can
 make no direct
 comparison.

The 85 has interesting bokeh. A few years back some folks here
surmised the the lens was formulated in such a way that the plane of
focus was shifted towards the back of the DOF. In other words, the
lens has less DOF behind the plane of focus than a normal lens.

I personally like the bokeh. In fact, I think it's unique character
gives me a small competitive edge.

tv





Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Dan Scott

On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 04:26  PM, Pål Jensen wrote:


This is like saying that all black lenses must be made by Nikon and 
all white ones by Canon.

Pål


Then who makes all the good ones? ;-)

Dan Scott




RE: Re[2]: fa 85mm 1.4 vs 77mm limited

2002-11-12 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:bkdayton;rcsis.com]


 After quite extensive use with my FA *85/1.4, I would say
 that for use
 at portrait distances, the lens is very sharp - even wide open - but
 DOF is so shallow that almost nothing is in focus.

That's a key point. When shooting wide open, I almost always bracket
focus. At least I did with the PZ-1p, I actually do it less often with
the MZ-S.

tv





Optio 330GS, slave flash, messing around

2002-11-12 Thread Tim S Kemp
Just messing around tonight with my 330GS and a cheap pocket slave flash,
discovered that the trick to using it is to activate red-eye mode then pull
the slave  out of pocket after the first flash (assistant required if trying
this on a distant subject). Had some reasonable results, shows the
insufficiency of the built in unit.

This is my fave shot though - MZ50 is on the kitchen countertop, Optio set
to -2.0 comp, slave flash is dropped inside a red plastic drinks cup to the
right of the MZ50.

http://www.timkemp.karoo.net/mz50.jpg

I like the 330GS, great value. And fun.

ICQ 51280452
MSN Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Optio 330GS, slave flash, messing around

2002-11-12 Thread Pentax Guy
While I only have the lowly Optio 230, same goes, great value and fun!

- Original Message -
From: Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: Optio 330GS, slave flash, messing around


 Just messing around tonight with my 330GS and a cheap pocket slave flash,
 discovered that the trick to using it is to activate red-eye mode then
pull
 the slave  out of pocket after the first flash (assistant required if
trying
 this on a distant subject). Had some reasonable results, shows the
 insufficiency of the built in unit.

 This is my fave shot though - MZ50 is on the kitchen countertop, Optio set
 to -2.0 comp, slave flash is dropped inside a red plastic drinks cup to
the
 right of the MZ50.

 http://www.timkemp.karoo.net/mz50.jpg

 I like the 330GS, great value. And fun.

 ICQ 51280452
 MSN Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED]





RE: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Simon King
Hi All,
 in English, juxtaposition has the implied connotation that
 the two objects placed together would not normally appear together.

I believe you will find that is ironic juxtaposition - something Shakespeare
excelled at. 
If you're too late for the link - here's the text from the OED (Oxford
English Dictionary - the one I keep referring too (see Pet))
Simon

---
juxtaposition
[a. F. juxtaposition (1690 in Hatz.-Darm.), f. L. juxta + F. position.]
a. The action of placing two or more things close together or side by side,
or one thing with or beside another; the condition of being so placed.
† b. spec. in Cryst. Contactual union between twinned crystals;
juxtaposition twin, a composite crystal of two (or more) crystals joined
along a plane; a contact twin. Obs.
Hence
juxtapo'sitional a., relating to or characterized by juxtaposition.





Re: Filter/Hood question about 100mm macro

2002-11-12 Thread Ken Archer
I've never had a problem with Mafud and I still correspond with him 
occasionally.  I guess we have a lot in commoncantankerous in our 
old age.

On Tuesday 12 November 2002 06:45 PM, Dan Scott wrote:
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 12:12  AM, Dr E D F Williams wrote:
  Mafud was intelligent and still is - I think.
 
  Don
 
  Dr E D F Williams

 Mafud was ok until his buttons got pushed or he thought they were
 going to get pushed.

 Dan Scott

-- 
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RE: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Simon King
Hi Dario (and anyone),
I certainly agree. Please feel free to copy the diagram for your site - I'd
recommend you could add your own instructions as you seem better at it than
I. 

I actually feel really good about this. PDMLers have answered so many of my
questions in the past - I just hope this will answers a question for someone
else.

Cheers,
Simon



-Original Message-
From: Dario Bonazza 2 [mailto:d.bonazza;tin.it] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2002 11:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch


Simon,

If you agree, I'll be happy to open a DIY section in AOHC website
(www.aohc.it), starting it with your cable instructions and diagram. Another
cable switch was suggested years ago for the MZ-5, but I cannot remember the
author (still here?).

Also, if you agree, I'll be happy to publish the same information in next
January issue of Spotmatc magazine. This could also start a DYI section in
that magazine.

Cheers,

Dario Bonazza

http://www.dariobonazza.com


 Hi All,
 Some time ago I posted about a MZ-6 / ZX-L cable release Cable Switch 
 CS-205. They changed the socket on the MZ-6 (Why? Anyone know?) from 
 the rest of the MZ range.

 Anyway, because I couldn't bring myself to shell out $80AU for a plug 
 and
a
 switch I've ended up making my own. I've wrote some instructions at; 
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/mz6/cablerelease.htm

 But they really should live somewhere along with other cable release 
 information and/or FAQ. Any suggestions for a permanent residence? 
 Cheers, Simon

 PS
 All voltages are shown in Australian Volts. This may vary from 
 countries where your voltages are not metric. Please check with your 
 electrical supplier for clarification. Also, note that electrons move 
 counter
clockwise
 in the southern hemisphere - this may reverse the polarities, 
 depending on where you live.





Australian volts

2002-11-12 Thread Simon King
Hi Stephen
I'm glad you responded - I was getting concerned that the list may not
understand it was a joke...
Simon

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moore [mailto:smoore;rowman.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2002 9:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DIY: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch


Simon King wrote:

 PS
 All voltages are shown in Australian Volts. This may vary from 
 countries where your voltages are not metric. Please check with your 
 electrical supplier for clarification. Also, note that electrons move 
 counter clockwise in the southern hemisphere - this may reverse the 
 polarities, depending on where you live.

Two words:

 1) WHAT???!!!

 2) HAR!


Regards,

Stephen

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RE: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread Doug Franklin
Hi Mike,

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:56:23 -0800, Michael Perham wrote:

 [...] [some Epson inkjet printers] use 6 colours [...]

IMHO, no matter what other choices you make, you _do_ want an inkjet
that uses six or more colors.  In the Epsons, they add light cyan and
light magenta to the normal cyan, magenta, yellow, and black palette. 
I understand that there are also printers out recently that add a
light black (gray) ink for a palette of seven colors, too.  Haven't
tried one of those.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: A digital weekend ( long )

2002-11-12 Thread CBWaters
From my own experience, the batteries supplied with rental gear are not
always in that great of health.  These could have been all used-up.
Just a thought
Cory Waters
Uses a LOT of batteries at work.
.

- Original Message -
From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: A digital weekend ( long )


 yes it does use the AA type, I used the ones supplied
 with the camera, not my own 1600 mha ones that I keep
 in the AF500 flash.

  --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Just to compare,the rechargable nicads that i have
  for the D1(2)will get me through a day of horse
  shooting
  no problem.I use the lcd screen to review iffy shots
  mostly,but still use it a fair amount.I would say on
  average i do about 500 per day.
  Does the D60 use AA type of batteries Brendan??
 
  Dave
   Begin Original Message 
 
  From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I didn't have the
  battery life, it died after 40 shots and I ended up
  eating all the rechargeables I had before long. I
  mean
  it really sucks back batteries, 8 rechargeables
  later
  I ended up using the ac adaptor, No wonder these are
  meant for studio use
 
 
 
 
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  Stouffville Ontario Canada
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Re: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You can find a home made cable switch on my web:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
   at:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/astuces.htm

This URL doesn't work for me.

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing




Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Raimo wrote:

 As to the Cosina-Pentax link it is pure speculation by myself 
(and some others) based on the outward appearance of the lenses 

In fact, great measures was taken to get the person who owned 
that web page to change his statements. This involved people 
VERY high up at Pentax who were very unhappy about false rumors 
stated as facts. 

I remember the incident. And when the web page owner did retract the
statement he tried to imply that he had just been joking and hadn't really
been serious when he made the original claim. Pretty cheesy behavior on the
whole.

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing




Re: Re[2]: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 12 Nov 2002 at 23:26, Pål Jensen wrote:

 This is like saying that all black lenses must be made by Nikon and all white
 ones by Canon.

 Hmm.. that is an interesting theory :-)

it's not a theory, it's a fact. I heard it from a guy on the internet
with very well-placed sources in one of the major Japanese camera
manufacturers!

Hmm... I'd heard that all black lenses were made by an outfit in New
Zealand.

;-)



-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing




Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread CBWaters
What about those *green* ones?  Yet another company?

CW

- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Who makes what?


 This is like saying that all black lenses must be made by Nikon and all
 white ones by Canon.

 Then FA* lenses must be made by the 3rd unknown company, because they are
 silver.  :)

 regards,
 Alan Chan

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Re: Australian volts

2002-11-12 Thread Bob Blakely
Aussy Volts are only about 0.56 as strong as US Volts, but be careful, I
think they use twice as many.

Regards,
Bob...
---
Beer is proof that God loves us
and wants us to be happy
   - Benjamin Franklin

From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hi Stephen
 I'm glad you responded - I was getting concerned that the list may not
 understand it was a joke...
 Simon

 From: Stephen Moore [mailto:smoore;rowman.com]

 Simon King wrote:

  PS
  All voltages are shown in Australian Volts. This may vary from
  countries where your voltages are not metric. Please check with your
  electrical supplier for clarification. Also, note that electrons move
  counter clockwise in the southern hemisphere - this may reverse the
  polarities, depending on where you live.

 Two words:

  1) WHAT???!!!

  2) HAR!





Help!

2002-11-12 Thread Chris Brogden

Wanted: someone with a PayPal merchant/premier account.

Here's the situation: I'm selling some stuff (private, not an auction) to
a list member who wants to pay with PayPal so she can use her credit card.
Because I only have a regular (non-merchant) account with PayPal, I can't
accept credit card payments, only money that originates from a PayPal
account or bank account.  I'd rather not upgrade to a merchant account, as
then PayPal takes 2.9% (+30 cents, I think) from each incoming transfer
that I receive, and I don't use PayPal enough to justify that at this
point in time.

My question: Is anyone here who *can* receive credit card payments via
PayPal willing to act as a go-between by receiving the money from her and
then transferring it to me via PayPal?  (I can't receive credit card
payments directly, but receiving money from a PayPal account should be
fine, I think.)  This isn't a Nigerian bank scam, and I'd be more than
happy to reimburse you the fees PayPal charges to receive funds, plus,
say, a couple of rolls of film of your choice.

Thanks,

chris




Re: OT: sliding away?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
To me, the most valuable features of PhotoShop are those that allow fine
tuning of a scan for printing. I usually begin by setting the Levels.
I set RGB level in respect to the histogram but frequently set the color
levels by eye. Hue and Saturation is next. I'll adjust the overall
colorcast a bit and work on the individual colors if necessary. I can
generally apply a bit more saturation to my scans, but I have to be
careful not to overdo it. The lightness control can also be effective if
the scan looks a bit heavy or light. If I don't like the contrast, I'll
tweak the RGB some more in Curves. I also use Curves to reduce a color
that seems too dominant. I sometimes reduce shadows or overly dominant
midtones with the Dodge tool. Less frequently, I'll burn in some
midtones with the Burn tool. I've tried burning in highlites, but it
just seems to gray them off. However, a little is sometimes effective.
Dodging highlites is very effective if they're not bright enough.
Sometimes, I find I want to adjust the mix of a specific color, for that
I go to Selective Color. I've found, for example, that one can
enrichen reds by adding a bit of black to them. Adding black to black
can create a crisper overall look without affecting highlites or
midtones. Adding or subtracting color to neutrals can help control an
unwanted reflection or unnatural lighting. 
PhotoShop is fun, and the more you play, the more you learn.
Paul Stenquist 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 11/11/02 8:13:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  LIke what? I'm curious what I should continue to teach myself. 
 
 Try working with Layers to create soft focus effects on a picture that was
 never taken that way. Try combining one image with another to create a whole
 new photograph.
 Try converting colour photographs to black and white and then using photoshop
 to colourize the photo for a hand painted effect. Play with some of the
 filters. If used properly they can add a nice touch to many photos
 Try scanning in older images that were excellent but had one or two probelms.
 Fix the problems and you now have the photo you always wanted. I did this
 with a couple of fox photos I took at twilight with a flash. Some of the fox
 shots exhibited green eye. They were excellent accept for the green flash
 eyes. I fixed that and they are great shots..
 The list goes on
 Vic




Re: Christmas cards

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Stenquist


Rob Brigham wrote:
 
 Consensus is that Canon has now overtaken Epson in the quality stakes.

The comparison tests I've seen seem to indicate otherwise. Unless,
perhaps, you're tooking about the quality of the machinery rather than
the quality of the output.
Paul




Re: Help!

2002-11-12 Thread frank theriault
What?  Those are scams?

The guy who e-mailed me said he could provide a list of very important
businessmen and government officials as references.

They just wanted to use my bank account for a few days so they could place a
couple of milliion dollars in it, and then take it back out again.

Sounded like it was on the up and up.  Thanks for the warning, Chris! vbg

-frank (not at all gullible)

Chris Brogden wrote:

 ... This isn't a Nigerian bank scam...

 --

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fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Lowepro SF Reporter 100? (Was Re: OT: Domke Bags)

2002-11-12 Thread Pat
Thanks to everyone who contributed input to the Domke bags question. I have put
the F-5X(B) on my shopping list. I have also concluded that the F-6 (Little bit
smaller bag) is too large for my needs, possibly even for the entire kit (zx-5n
w/ AA grip, 28-70/4, 50/1.7, tokina 20-35, tamron 75-300, and sunpak 444D). 

I was actually able to pack this entire set-up quite compactly this weekend
(plus some film). The Lowepro Reporter 300 is more than roomy enough for this
set up, but also quite bulky. I was climbing throught the decks of the USS
Hornet Aircraft carrier museum yesterday and bulky didn't cut it. 

My new question: Has anyone used the smaller version of the Reporter series
(100  200)? I believe David Brooks wrote something about this in the past?

Thanks,
Pat in SF

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Re: Help!

2002-11-12 Thread Chris Brogden

Thanks to everyone who offered to help!  I've had a slew of offers, and
it's all taken care of now.

Liking the PDML more each day,

chris


On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Chris Brogden wrote:


 Wanted: someone with a PayPal merchant/premier account.
[snip]





Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Chris Brogden
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Alan Chan wrote:

 This is like saying that all black lenses must be made by Nikon and all
 white ones by Canon.

 Then FA* lenses must be made by the 3rd unknown company, because they are
 silver.  :)

No, no... they're green, remember?  :)

chris




Re: OT: sliding away?

2002-11-12 Thread Pentxuser
My daughter is on a synchronized skating team and I have great fun using 
photoshop to create types of collages for the team's website. I take about a 
half dozen photos of the team, individuals whatever and create an 8X10. Some 
of the images are close cropped, others have shadows etc etc. They are very 
effective. A similar idea can be done with any subject. Your kids, a family 
vacation, your pets ...  It's even a nice way to set up a portfolio. I'll put 
a few on my Website if anyone is interested...
Vic  


In a message dated 11/12/02 8:40:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 PhotoShop is fun, and the more you play, the more you learn.
Paul Stenquist 
 




OT More flower pics

2002-11-12 Thread Rob Studdert
For those listers with a penchant for nice (albeit clichéd) flower pics see:

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/flowers/

If only Mike J was subscribed I'm sure I'd receive a fair critique :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




Re: OT More flower pics

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Jones

 If only Mike J was subscribed I'm sure I'd receive a fair critique.

He lives on the Konica Hexar list now :)




Re: December PUG - Juxtaposition - question about theme

2002-11-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Simon King wrote:

 Hi All,
  in English, juxtaposition has the implied connotation that
  the two objects placed together would not normally appear together.

 I believe you will find that is ironic juxtaposition - something Shakespeare
 excelled at.
 If you're too late for the link - here's the text from the OED (Oxford
 English Dictionary - the one I keep referring too (see Pet))
 Simon

 ---

Simon, I agree -
You also might recall that ironic juxtaposition  got to be a rather overused
pat phrase
in reviews of art and theatre and such for a while(hmmm -maybe still  is).  I've
already
sent my entry in for December - but my files are replete with this subject so I
thought
I'd throw one in by way of illustrating a definition:)

This is not a technically accomplished shot - I grabbed it riding an escalator
at the Pompidou
Center in Paris in 1981.  Just enough time to raise camera and get off one
shot.. um - exposure
not recorded.  Pentax LX 50 mm lens Tri-x
here is the link:

http://users.rcn.com/annsan/differences.jpg

annsan




Re: Tamron adaptall KA

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
 Hi,
 I just asked about K adaptall, I am going to buy KA one!! for my 
Tamron 90/2.8.
 So you use your without any problems on ZX5 and MZS but you wrote 
that there can be jamming problems (when you mentions Pz-1p). So I hope 
I can safely use it on my Pz-1 and maybe in future on MZS or ZX-L for 
instance.
 Please answer
 PS Do you know if only FA lenses allow to use P-TTL or not?What if 
you use A ones or adaptall KA?

P-TTL work if matrix metering work !!
With lenses FA, Fa and A, but:
You can modify K  M lense to work, see:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
 at:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/multizone.htm

Theses page are French, but you can translate with:
http://babel.altavista.com/tr

... but I don't know for Adaptall !

Bonjour de France, Michel










viewfinders

2002-11-12 Thread tom
An excerpt from Michael H. Reichmann's Hassleblad H1 review on
photo.net:

When I first brought the camera up to my eye I was immediately taken
with how bright and clear the viewfinder is. Up until now my gold
standard for camera viewfinders has been the current Pentax 645 NII. I
didn’t have one available for a side-by-side comparison, but my
impression is that the H1’s viewfinder is at least as large and bright
as the Pentax, and certainly among the best that I’ve ever used.

tv





Re: Optio 330GS, slave flash, messing around

2002-11-12 Thread Christian Skofteland
And I can't wait to see what fun it will be to dunk my 330 into the
Caribbean.

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Pentax Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 While I only have the lowly Optio 230, same goes, great value and fun!

 - Original Message -
 From: Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I like the 330GS, great value. And fun.




Re: AP (16/11) - Pentax UK Confirms digital SLR launch plan

2002-11-12 Thread Artur Ledchowski
Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Who decides these things, btw? Is this something the 
manufacturer sets up or what?

These things are decided by the market or to be more precise - by two factors: first - 
something known as the public opinion, second - by the mass media (mostly the photo 
magazines). The market is all about the competition and it's obvious that the customer 
compare the cameras, that are of similar specifications. The magazines do the same. 
One can complain about how more or less objective various tests are but cannot deny 
the fact that they shape the customers' opinions. So no producer can ignore these 
factors unless wants to be out of the competition (which actually happened to Pentax 
to some degree:)).
Mind that I wrote the MZ-5n/3 is CONSIDERED to be a rival:))
But don't you think the advanced amateurs need some fresh air from Pentax?:) MZ-S is 
not the least expensive beast and I know there is a need for a camera that would be as 
simple yet advanced and affordable - just as the MZ-5n/3 was for recent years.
All above is of course IMHO:))
Regards
Artur




Re: Lowepro SF Reporter 100? (Was Re: OT: Domke Bags)

2002-11-12 Thread Alan Chan
The Domke F6 is less bulky than AW300 but carry more. I have found Lowepro 
AW bags too bulky for what they can swallow.

regards,
Alan Chan

Thanks to everyone who contributed input to the Domke bags question. I have 
put
the F-5X(B) on my shopping list. I have also concluded that the F-6 (Little 
bit
smaller bag) is too large for my needs, possibly even for the entire kit 
(zx-5n
w/ AA grip, 28-70/4, 50/1.7, tokina 20-35, tamron 75-300, and sunpak 444D).

I was actually able to pack this entire set-up quite compactly this weekend
(plus some film). The Lowepro Reporter 300 is more than roomy enough for 
this
set up, but also quite bulky. I was climbing throught the decks of the USS
Hornet Aircraft carrier museum yesterday and bulky didn't cut it.

My new question: Has anyone used the smaller version of the Reporter series
(100  200)? I believe David Brooks wrote something about this in the past?

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Re: AP (16/11) - Pentax UK Confirms digital SLR launch plan

2002-11-12 Thread Pentax Guy
That's all quite interesting.  Will have to see what Pentax does with it.
The MZ-5n is/was a fine camera, got one myself.  If they are keeping the MZ
line to some degree, perhaps some added features but keep that classy
looking MZ-5n style?  Keep it affordable.  Really, I think Pentax's larger
problem is advertising, at least in North American.  I'm disgusted about the
pitiful display in a dirty counter beside the junk used they have Pentax
placed.  Without any knowledge, like they didn't know Nikon and Canon were
leaders, and no sales person prodding them, they'd never pick up a Pentax
even to look, it is that bad.  Now, my shop is one isolated place, but there
is still a lack of knowledge of Pentax in NA.  I've spoken with Pentax
Canada about my store, they *may* send in a Rep to shake things up.  If so,
they'll have a better display, or they'll say (*## you Pentax, you don't
generate sales for us anyhow, we'll stick to the top three.  Bad?  From my
viewpoint yes, it's my place, they are good.  But with no Pentax, there's no
me.  As for everyone else, well, it probably won't hurt the stores sales a
bit, and perhaps it better to have no display than a very crappy one that
doesn't do Pentax any justice.

Whoa, a bit side-tracked,

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: AP (16/11) - Pentax UK Confirms digital SLR launch plan


 Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Who decides these things, btw? Is this something the
 manufacturer sets up or what?

 These things are decided by the market or to be more precise - by two
factors: first - something known as the public opinion, second - by the mass
media (mostly the photo magazines). The market is all about the competition
and it's obvious that the customer compare the cameras, that are of similar
specifications. The magazines do the same. One can complain about how more
or less objective various tests are but cannot deny the fact that they shape
the customers' opinions. So no producer can ignore these factors unless
wants to be out of the competition (which actually happened to Pentax to
some degree:)).
 Mind that I wrote the MZ-5n/3 is CONSIDERED to be a rival:))
 But don't you think the advanced amateurs need some fresh air from
Pentax?:) MZ-S is not the least expensive beast and I know there is a need
for a camera that would be as simple yet advanced and affordable - just as
the MZ-5n/3 was for recent years.
 All above is of course IMHO:))
 Regards
 Artur





Re: Have we ever done people's pets on PUG?

2002-11-12 Thread Gary J Sibio
At 12:53 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:



The PUG has a no nudes policy.


So does my wife.


Gary J Sibio
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http://home.earthlink.net/~garysibio/

What if squirrels are really the first line in an attack by
extraterrestrials and our dogs are trying to warn us???





eBay Item: Pentax LX Cold Weather Battery Holder (Item #1395572938)

2002-11-12 Thread Shaun Canning
Hi Geoff,

My last email to you appeared to have bounced for some reason, yet your
address is still working as I am receiving your posts to the PDML. I was
wondering if you have received any of my messages regarding the Pentax LX
battery cable you recently won on e-Bay. It's been a few days and I haven't
heard from you.

Please drop me a line and let me know what you would like to do

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University,
Bundoora, VIC, 3086,
Australia.

Ph: 0414-967 644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:moesg;erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 12:19
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DC PDML Outing #4 (was RE: Filter/Hood question about 100mm
macro)

Wendy and I had a good time on Sunday. I was pleasantly surprised by
Kennerly's work, I guess since he was a Photo Journalist covering politics I
didn't have high expectations, fortunately most of the photographs were not
from his profession.  He also reinforced my perception that LA is probably a
great place to photograph.  Wendy and I enjoyed meeting Mark as well.  It
was also funny running into Christian at Ace the next day.

Geoff





FW: eBay Item: Pentax LX Cold Weather Battery Holder (Item #1395572938)

2002-11-12 Thread Shaun Canning
Ooopsthat last post wasn't supposed to go to the entire list...apologies
to all.

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University,
Bundoora, VIC, 3086,
Australia.

Ph: 0414-967 644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Shaun Canning [mailto:s.canning;latrobe.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 06:13
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: eBay Item: Pentax LX Cold Weather Battery Holder (Item #1395572938)

Hi Geoff,

My last email to you appeared to have bounced for some reason, yet your
address is still working as I am receiving your posts to the PDML. I was
wondering if you have received any of my messages regarding the Pentax LX
battery cable you recently won on e-Bay. It's been a few days and I haven't
heard from you.

Please drop me a line and let me know what you would like to do

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University,
Bundoora, VIC, 3086,
Australia.

Ph: 0414-967 644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:moesg;erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 12:19
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DC PDML Outing #4 (was RE: Filter/Hood question about 100mm
macro)

Wendy and I had a good time on Sunday. I was pleasantly surprised by
Kennerly's work, I guess since he was a Photo Journalist covering politics I
didn't have high expectations, fortunately most of the photographs were not
from his profession.  He also reinforced my perception that LA is probably a
great place to photograph.  Wendy and I enjoyed meeting Mark as well.  It
was also funny running into Christian at Ace the next day.

Geoff




Re: Who makes what?

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Raimo Korhonen a écrit:

...
As to the Cosina-Pentax link it is pure speculation by myself 

The only know Pentax lens made by Cosina is:
SMC Pentax FA 100mm f/3.5 Macro

And by Tamron:
SMC Pentax FA 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 AL-IF

That's all!

Michel





Re: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Mark Roberts a écrit:

Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



You can find a home made cable switch on my web:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/

This URL work fine


	at:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/astuces.htm

Sorry, the correct URL is:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/trucs.htm

Michel





Re: DIY: MZ-S / ZX-L cable switch

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Simon King a écrit:

Hi All,
Some time ago I posted about a MZ-6 / ZX-L cable release Cable Switch
CS-205. They changed the socket on the MZ-6 (Why? Anyone know?) from the
rest of the MZ range.


The MZ-S as others socket (3 pin, round), but the same eletrical shema.
As anyone find a good connector ??

Michel