Re: PESOs - More walking around

[Toralf Lund]

On 8/28/12 0:22, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net  wrote:

On 8/27/12 22:32, Bruce Walker wrote:

Try Tumblr for hosting small galleries, Toralf. I'm actually finding
it suitable now after a protracted search where I previously rejected
it.

OK, maybe I'll add an account and play around with it a bit. I actually
tried a few hosting sites a while back, and weren't terribly impressed with
any them - the main objection typically being too much noise on the pages. I
didn't consider galleries in particular, though, and never tried Tumblr.

Low noise was my goal too. I'm still tinkering with my configuration
but was able to get 95% there by just tweaking the colours and
settings of one stock minimal theme:

http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/

That's not bad, actually.

Some nice pictures, too. Only looking at the clothes, obviously :-)

- Toralf

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For an example of a *very* fine look and feel, super minimal, see:

http://thisisnthappiness.com/




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Re: OT - Any Midsomer Murders fans?

[Toralf Lund]

On 9/1/12 10:20, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Shot this feature recently about locations for Midsomer Murders, nice if
you like biscuit-box England.

Never seen the series myself!!!
I rather like it. Perhaps because of the locations, and also some of the 
actors. John Nettles in particular, of course. I do think the stories 
tend to be somewhat far fetched, though.


- Toralf


http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2012-08-31/behind-the-scenes-at-
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Re: Anyone in the market for a 560 mm?

[Toralf Lund]

You mean, there are actually people here who are not in the market for 
any lens at all times?


- Toralf

On 9/2/12 0:30, Brian Walters wrote:

Apparently one is coming.

http://photorumors.com/2012/08/31/pentax-da-560mm-f5-6-lens-to-be-announced-at-photokina/ 



Pity that I'd probably need to sell the car to afford one.






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Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

[Toralf Lund]

On 05/09/12 08:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com  wrote:
 You could do a better job with many aspects of this camera.  Maybe low
 light is a sensor problem?
 A standard Bayer mosaic sensor is a planar surface with a filter array
 on top of it. This means that the light at each of the photosites for
 all three colors is essentially equal, minus the amount that the
 particular color filter absorbs for each photosite.

 A Fovean sensor stacks three photosites in each pixel location on the
 sensor, with a color filter between them. I don't know precisely how
 they order the stack, but it would make sense to order it blue, green,
 red since short wavelengths are more easily absorbed than longer
 wavelengths. But what this means is that the light energy hitting the
 bottom layer is inevitably reduced compared to what hits the top
 layer.
I thought one the main premises was that each sensor would absorb all
the light for a certain range of wavelenghts, and not at all respond
light outside that range, so that it would continue without any loss of
energy to the next layer(s) (absorbing different wavelengths.) And also,
that there weren't filters as such, just differences in the way the
photo diodes respond to light, or whatever.

But maybe the problem is that it's not quite like that in the real world...

- Toralf

   They compensate to some degree by making the three layers
 differentially sensitive, either by adjusting the signal amplification
 or by staggering the photosite sizings, I don't know.

 But what this means is that for a given amount of light energy per
 unit area falling on the sensor plane, a Fovean sensor has to work
 harder to achieve the same signal to noise characteristic than a Bayer
 matrix sensor.

 The difference is that a Fovean sensor is acquiring R, G, and B values
 at each pixel position, producing a non-interpolated chroma resolution
 at the same pixel resolution, where a Bayer mosaic takes a minimum of
 an 8x8 pixel array in a GRBG/RBGG/BGGR row*column (or similar
 ordering) to resolve each pixel's position and RGB value by
 interpolation. The article makes a big deal of the Fovean design not
 needing an AA filter to combat chroma irregularities due to the
 interpolation of pixel position. Well, as pixel density increases, the
 need for an AA filter to minimize chroma irregularities reduces such
 that with today's sensors the spatial resolution is very nearly
 identical to the Fovean sensor's capabilities at the same single-layer
 resolution.

 AA filters do more than simply minimize chroma irregularities ... they
 also minimize moire artifacts, the effect of discrete line crossings
 on a cartesian grid when the cell size of the grid is close to the
 width of the line. Again, as grid cell size decreases, the tendency to
 moire also decreases.

 All engineering solutions to the problem of obtaining enough color
 information to accurately characterize the incoming light are
 tradeoffs. Fovean technology means more complex to manufacture,
 multi-layer sensors, which have known plusses and minuses compared to
 Bayer mosaic sensors. My feeling is that the quality of Bayer mosaic
 sensor technology is such that for practical purposes, the Fovean
 design is mostly irrelevant except for some very critical color niche
 market uses.

 If the cost of making Fovean sensors were to drop, and a solution to
 the multi-layer light absorbtion issue resolved, it might stand a
 chance of becoming more popular than a Bayer mosaic design ... as then
 there would be more demand for the sensors and the price would drop
 further by the scaling effect of large volume manufacturing.

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Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

[Toralf Lund]

On 9/5/12 16:10, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net  wrote:

I thought one the main premises was that each sensor would absorb all
the light for a certain range of wavelenghts, and not at all respond
light outside that range, so that it would continue without any loss of
energy to the next layer(s) (absorbing different wavelengths.) And also,
that there weren't filters as such, just differences in the way the
photo diodes respond to light, or whatever.

But maybe the problem is that it's not quite like that in the real world...

Quite possible that that is how they implement the layering, by
embedding the light-absorbing dye into the photosite chemistry, but
there's still absorption between the layers which causes less total
light energy to strike the third layer than the first.
Yeah, there is bound to be some loss. Still, we're comparing with a 
setup where you quite deliberately block out a large proportion on of 
the light at every site, though, so there should be quite a bit to go on..


- Toralf


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Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

[Toralf Lund]

On 9/5/12 8:54, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 10:26:07PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

I really like the concept behind the Foveon sensor - every
photo-site captures all 3 colors like film did  no need for the
anti-aliasing, but what's the deal with the poor image quality above
ISO 400?

Physics.  If you don't have separate sensor sites for the three colo(u)rs,
then the photons for two of the colours have to pass through at least one
of the layers that contain the sensors for the other colours.

To oversimplify the situation, you can't create a sensor that captures all
the blue photons, and yet lets 100% of the red or green photons pass through.
As a result, the second and third layers don't receive 100% of the photons
that they would respond to if they were the frontmost layer. This leads to
a degradation in sensitivity and in the signal-to-noise ratio.
Quite. Like I sort of said elsewhere, though, it seems to me that you 
could pass through a lot less than 100% and still be better off than you 
are when filtering at every site.


Also, maybe there is actually more noise, too, and not just less signal 
- as a result of more complex read-out circuitry or whatever...


- Toralf





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Re: What was your first camera?

[Toralf Lund]

On 4/12/11 3:32 PM, Bill Owens wrote:

In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs
Mine was a KODAK pocket B-1 camera. - This is exactly what it says on 
its label - I have it right in front of me as I type this :-)


- Toralf

Bill




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Re: PUG Extra - PDML Photo Annual 2011 Refuses

[Toralf Lund]

On 5/3/11 15:39, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

A week or two back several people provided links to their photos that
were not selected for the 2011 PDML Annual. I suggested a special PUG to
display those images together, so that we could all enjoy them.

The PUG Submission form has been updated for this special Extra Gallery
and is now open for submissions.  You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
Submitted now ;-) I only got one in the book (being an *amateur* 
photographer and all), so there were two rejects, and I sent both. Is 
that acceptable? If not, you'll have to pick one, and I'll save the 
other for the PDML Photo Annual 2011 Refuses Refuses...


- Toralf


Image constraints are the same as for the monthly PUGs:

* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k

The cut off date for submissions will be about 17 May.

Come on! Let's see 'em.

Now - can anyone suggest a better title for the gallery?  As most are
aware, the idea of submitting more than one photo for consideration for
the Annual was to give the editors scope to select images that best
fitted the context and layout of the Album.  This means that images not
included in the Annual were probably of similar quality to those that
were included.  So, I don't think refuses is an accurate title, but my
feeble brain can't come up with anything better.


Cheers

Brian

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PESO: QM2

[Toralf Lund]

A ship came by the other day. It was rather large, so I could only fit a 
fraction of it in the frame:


http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=qm2

- Toralf

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Re: QM2

[Toralf Lund]

On 6/4/11 19:25, Ken Waller wrote:

It was rather large, so I could only fit a fraction of it in the frame:


Excellent justification for a wider lens.
He, he, you have a point there. Actually, maybe I had a wider lens in my 
bag at the time, but let's not ruin a good excuse for another little 
purchase ;-)


Well composed image by the way.

Thanks!

- Toralf


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net
Subject: PESO: QM2


A ship came by the other day. It was rather large, so I could only 
fit a fraction of it in the frame:


http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=qm2

- Toralf






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Re: QM2

[Toralf Lund]

On 6/5/11 3:55, Philip Northeast wrote:

On 5/06/11 3:57 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:

On 6/4/11 19:25, Ken Waller wrote:
It was rather large, so I could only fit a fraction of it in the 
frame:


Excellent justification for a wider lens.

He, he, you have a point there. [ ... ]



You need excuses to buy another lens?


How stupid of me. Excuses, not to mention Good Reasons, are quite 
unnecessary, of course.



- Toralf


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Re: PESO: QM2

[Toralf Lund]

On 6/5/11 21:30, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Is that on film?

Yup. Some plain slide film I got cheap. Sensia 100.

- Toralf

Bulent
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http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun




2011/6/4 Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net:

A ship came by the other day. It was rather large, so I could only fit a
fraction of it in the frame:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=qm2

- Toralf

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Re: PESO - You're it!

[Toralf Lund]

On 6/5/11 21:58, Paul Stenquist wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13335012size=lg

Nice.

- Toralf


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PESO(s): Granfoss

[Toralf Lund]

'Evening all,

There is a certain way of rendering (if that's the right word) water 
that seems to have been fashionable for a while. Not sure if I'm a great 
fan myself, but I still had to try something similar myself. The results 
are in:


http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-17
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-21
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-23

What say you?

- Toralf

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Re: PESO(s): Granfoss

[Toralf Lund]

On 6/11/11 0:20, Jack Davis wrote:

I think there will always be a place for the silk ribbon waterfall effect, 
but it had become such a cliche'.

Precisely!

Well done however, Toralf.

Thanks.

- Toralf

Jack

--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net  wrote:


From: Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net
Subject: PESO(s): Granfoss
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:43 PM
'Evening all,

There is a certain way of rendering (if that's the right
word) water that seems to have been fashionable for a while.
Not sure if I'm a great fan myself, but I still had to try
something similar myself. The results are in:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-17
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-21
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-23

What say you?

- Toralf

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Re: PESO(s): Granfoss

[Toralf Lund]

On 6/11/11 0:18, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Very nice, if you like your water that way...

Well, like I said, I'm not sure - but thanks!


Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net  wrote:

'Evening all,

There is a certain way of rendering (if that's the right word) water that
seems to have been fashionable for a while. Not sure if I'm a great fan
myself, but I still had to try something similar myself. The results are in:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-17
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-21
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2011-3-23

What say you?

- Toralf

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PESO - Akershus/Magic

[Toralf Lund]

A snapshot from a local visitors' parking space:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=magic1

Boat belongs to Mickey Mouse, apparently...

Mainly a test of scanning a certain type of good-old film, actually. I 
hope I've managed to keep the feel of it.


Thanks for looking,


- Toralf

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PESO - To stoler. Nede på brygga.

[Toralf Lund]

Another one I'm not entirely sure about, but I'll show it to you anyway:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=brygga9

More of that ol'film...

- Toralf


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Re: 2 new cameras in Photokina

[Toralf Lund]

Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

  

... but what do they do after they get to the K-1?
  

K-7, K-5, K-3, K-1, K+1, K+3 



I'm holding out for a K3+2i.  It may be too complex for the average
photographer, though.
  

:-)

I'm wondering if even your joke is too complex...

- T




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Re: 2 new cameras in Photokina

[Toralf Lund]

Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

  

Obviously, the L series, everyone keeps wishing for a new L-x...



Am I really the only one dreaming of a digital MX?
  

No...

Ralf

  



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Re: PESO - To stoler. Nede på brygga.

[Toralf Lund]

David J Brooks wrote:

I like it, but agree with Rick on maybe a small sky crop, as opposed
to a small sky cap.
  

Well as long as it's my crop...

Actually, a cropped version will be coming soon to a screen near you.

Thanks,

- Toralf


Dave

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:
  

Another one I'm not entirely sure about, but I'll show it to you anyway:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=brygga9

More of that ol'film...

- Toralf


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PESO - To stoler. Nede på brygga. Now c ropped a bit

[Toralf Lund]

Here is a slightly cropped version of the one posted yesterday, as 
suggested by Rick and David:


http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=brygga9b


- Toralf


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Re: PESO - To stoler. Nede på brygga. Now cropped a bit

[Toralf Lund]

Rick Womer wrote:

Better balanced, but it loses the spacious feeling of the original.  Maybe I 
was wrong.
  

Fair enough.

I'm not sure I can decide which is better myself. I mean, to crop or not 
to crop, is a question I generally find really hard to answer...


- Toralf

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:


  

Here is a slightly cropped version of
the one posted yesterday, as suggested by Rick and David:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=brygga9b


- Toralf


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MX shutter problem?

[Toralf Lund]

Folks,

I'm having a slight issue with an old, beat-up MX I bought for next to 
nothing a year or two ago (not sure if I told anyone here.) On the last 
film I shot with it, a large number of frames only came out as partially 
exposed. To show you what I'm talking about, I went ahead and scanned 
the entire film (well, I probably wanted digital versions of some 
pictures anyway.) Here is an index file produced during this process:


http://www.toralf.net/images/mxError.jpg

All images have the natural orientation of the film, and they are 
ordered according to frame no, and split into the same strips as the 
film itself.


As you can see, there is often data missing, always on the same side, 
but the amount varies. There are also a few blanks, but this might of 
course be caused by something else entirely. I think I saw something 
like this earlier, too, but then there were only 2 or 3 incidents 
throughout the film.


So, what do you reckon? Is the shutter broken, or what? If it is, would 
it be worth fixing? Also, if the curtains stick or whatever, why not all 
the time? (Different exposure times?) Or alternatively, is there 
something else that might cause something like this? I mean, besides 
actually blocking parts of the lens, as surely I would have noticed that 
in the viewfinder.



- Toralf

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Re: MX shutter problem?

[Toralf Lund]

J.C. O'Connell wrote:

cheaper to just buy another one that still works.
  

That was sort of what I was thinking.

On the other hand, if I spend the money on a CLA, perhaps it is less 
likely that I have a problem again after a little while. But like I 
said, the camera does look a bit worn down, so perhaps not...


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A CLA might clear up the problems.



  



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PESO - Vinter

[Toralf Lund]

How about a winter picture in the middle of summer?

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=kadettangen

Opinions may be freely expressed, as always...

- Toralf

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Re: GESO: Fireworks

[Toralf Lund]

Charles Robinson wrote:

I had a few minutes downtown on Saturday night to watch a little bit of a 
fireworks display
  
I always take a camera to fireworks and I always hate the results.


This time I figured out how to retain the color in the bursts (low ISO, small 
aperture) so I got a few more interesting shots than I usually have in the past.
Yes, perhaps part of the secret is to stop down and reduce the 
sensitivity so much that the fireworks fully control the exposure of the 
sky, so as to speak.

  Not earth-shatteringly wonderful, but there are some pleasing colors in a few 
of them.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/aquatennial_fireworks/index.html
  
I like them. As fireworks shots go, I think the two last are the best. 
No 6 is in a way more interesting, but the fireworks could have been 
centered a bit better, and maybe a bit too much of the trails are 
included... I also rather like the way the colours of the bridge are 
reflected in the water in some of the other images, though.


- Toralf

(Camera was attached to an Ultrapod-II and strapped to a railing.  Darn handy 
tool, that Ultrapod.)

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Re: PESO - Vinter

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John Coyle wrote:

But, but - it is our winter here!
  
He, he, I wondered if anyone would say that. I bet you get this a lot, 
people talking about summer when you have winter, and vice versa, I 
mean. Let's say my photo was an attempt to create a bit of balance ;-)

Looks cold though, and I haven't seen snow ever where I live now.
  
I don't think it was *that* cold, as the picture was taken quite late in 
the winter. But I rather like living in a place where we really have 
different seasons. If those clouds we have right now go away any time 
soon, I expect the same place will be crowded with people going for a 
swim to cool down a bit, or trying to get a bit of a suntan...


- Toralf


John in Brisbane



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How about a winter picture in the middle of summer?

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=kadettangen

Opinions may be freely expressed, as always...

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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:34 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
  

I get a RAW file using vuescan on my Epson 3200. Or, I assume, with any other 
scanner.
Paul



A VueScan raw file is different from a DSLR raw file. It's essentially
a linear gamma RGB TIFF file without VueScan's image processing
applied, and is designed specifically to allow multiple different
adjustment settings to be tried with VueScan without having to run the
media back through the scanner.
  
You can also write in DNG format these days, though, and feed the file 
into standard raw converters. I would assume there isn't much you 
can't do with these files compared to the ones from a DSLR, apart from 
playing with the Bayer pattern interpolation parameters, obviously...


- Toralf

DSLR raw files have quite a bit more flexibility in terms of what you
can do with them. The negative side of DSLR capture is that you're
dependent upon the quality of the optics, how well you focus them, and
of course limited by whatever resolution the DSLR is capable of.

However, with today's 10-14 Mpixel DSLRs and a suitable setup, you can
achieve approximately the same image resolution as a 4000 ppi scanner
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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:
  

...VueScan raw file is different from a DSLR raw file. ...

  

You can also write in DNG format these days, though, and feed the file into
standard raw converters. I would assume there isn't much you can't do with
these files compared to the ones from a DSLR, apart from playing with the
Bayer pattern interpolation parameters, obviously...



I don't think any scanners create bayer mosaic output data. Vuescan's
DNG files are DNG encapsulated TIFF, so they are RGB files inside a
  
DNG container that can be edited with raw processing tools,
Well, DNG *is* TIFF, isn't it, in many ways. So I don't know about 
encapsulated.


But this was what I was trying to say, really - the Vuescan DNG does not 
have mosaic data, so any demosaic/interpolation settings will obviously 
have no effect, but they are hardly relevant anyway since you have true 
RGB data already. Besides that, I should think that anything you can do 
with a camera DNG file, you can also do with one from Vuescan.

 which
arguably can do a better job for some things.
  

Exactly.

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Re: PESO - Akershus/Magic

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Rick Womer wrote:

Mickey Mouse has several toy boats:

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/
  
Indeed. And I'm wondering if this time next year, I will notice that he 
has left an even bigger floating toy in the same location:


http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/

- Toralf

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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From: Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net
Subject: PESO - Akershus/Magic
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:10 AM
A snapshot from a local visitors'
parking space:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=magic1

Boat belongs to Mickey Mouse, apparently...

Mainly a test of scanning a certain type of good-old film,
actually. I hope I've managed to keep the feel of it.

Thanks for looking,


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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

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Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:30 -0400, Doug Franklin
jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:
  

On 2010-07-28 5:41, Boris Liberman wrote:



I used argument as a synonym to reasoning... In no way did I imply
an argument as in: a reason given in proof or rebuttal or in 
discourse intended to persuade. All quotes of course are from the same
Merriam Webster page.

The more English language I know/learn the more increasingly difficult
it becomes to use it.
  
That's a perfectly valid use of the word argument, Boris, but many 
Americans would use the word discussion, or maybe something else.  At 
least in the US, the word argument has overtones of disagreement, 
though it really shouldn't, based on historical usage.  I'm not sure how 
that fits with usage in the UK.




You mean like this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-572077907195969915#
  
That's just contradiction - I'm guessing, without actually clicking the 
link...


- Toralf



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PESOs: Soft...

[Toralf Lund]

Lately I've been trying to find a use for that soft focus lens I bought 
a few years ago (didn't need it, but it was such a bargain...) Here are 
a few shots:


http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-30
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-22
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-9
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-8-36

I've really only come up with one idea so far, as you can tell, but what 
do you reckon?


Thanks for looking,

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Re: PESOs: Soft...

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Boris Liberman wrote:

You can always enable me with it, you know :-)...
He, he. You know, I said to myself when I got it that if I didn't find a 
use for it, I could always pass it on to someone else, and perhaps even 
make a profit on the way... But hang on, I believe I said that to myself 
every single time I bough a lens, and how many do you think I've 
actually sold? :-)


- Toralf


Boris


On 9/6/2010 12:27 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:

Lately I've been trying to find a use for that soft focus lens I bought
a few years ago (didn't need it, but it was such a bargain...) Here are
a few shots:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-30
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-22
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-9
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-8-36

I've really only come up with one idea so far, as you can tell, but what
do you reckon?

Thanks for looking,

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Re: PESOs: Soft...

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Christine Aguila wrote:
Hi Toralf:  I like the 1st and the 3rd best.  I agree with Brian about 
the last one--a bit too busy composition for a soft focus lens.
OK, maybe I'll go back for another shot, and try this time to get much 
closer to the actual flowers. And either end up with a nice photo or get 
very wet. Or both if I'm lucky ;-)

  Overall though, pretty nice pictures.

Thanks.

- Toralf


Cheers, Christine


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Lately I've been trying to find a use for that soft focus lens I 
bought a few years ago (didn't need it, but it was such a bargain...) 
Here are a few shots:


http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-30
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-22
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-9
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-8-36

I've really only come up with one idea so far, as you can tell, but 
what do you reckon?


Thanks for looking,

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Re: PESOs: Soft...

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frank theriault wrote:

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:
  

Lately I've been trying to find a use for that soft focus lens I bought a
few years ago (didn't need it, but it was such a bargain...) Here are a few
shots:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-30
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-22
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-14-9
http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=2010-8-36

I've really only come up with one idea so far, as you can tell, but what do
you reckon?

Thanks for looking,



Quite beautiful.
  


Thanks.

- T

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Re: thoughts on 100mm macro...?

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Christine Nielsen wrote:

Greetings, all---

Today, I enabled myself with the Pentax smc FA 100mm 2.8 macro lens.
Funny thing is,  it happened kind of by accident... I thought I was
purchasing the DFA 100mm 2.8 macro (the non-WR version), but it turns
out I overlooked the missing D when I placed my order.  Whoops. [ ... ]

What I wonder is this:  what am I missing out on because of my
shopping cart mix-up?  (Besides the price difference...)  I'm not sure
I understand the difference between the DFA  FA designations...  Are
there other features of either lens that I should consider before I
declare this one a keeper?
  
I think the DFA version is supposed to be optimised for digital 
(whatever that means - slight modifications of the coating, perhaps), 
but without changes to the basic optical formula, as far as I 
understand. It does not have the focus limiter fix of the FA. It is much 
smaller and lighter, which I suppose may be convenient. On the other 
hand, the FA probably feels a lot more like a real lens, and you can 
drop it on the pavement from a fair height without breaking anything, or 
at least that's true for the similar F-version, which I have (yes, I've 
tried...)


- Toralf


Thanks,
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Re: thoughts on 100mm macro...?

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Toralf Lund wrote:

Christine Nielsen wrote:

Greetings, all---

Today, I enabled myself with the Pentax smc FA 100mm 2.8 macro lens.
Funny thing is,  it happened kind of by accident... I thought I was
purchasing the DFA 100mm 2.8 macro (the non-WR version), but it turns
out I overlooked the missing D when I placed my order.  Whoops. [ 
... ]


What I wonder is this:  what am I missing out on because of my
shopping cart mix-up?  (Besides the price difference...)  I'm not sure
I understand the difference between the DFA  FA designations...  Are
there other features of either lens that I should consider before I
declare this one a keeper?
  
I think the DFA version is supposed to be optimised for digital 
(whatever that means - slight modifications of the coating, perhaps), 
but without changes to the basic optical formula, as far as I 
understand. It does not have the focus limiter fix of the FA.

Typing way too fast, again. I meant to say limiter *switch*...

- Toralf
It is much smaller and lighter, which I suppose may be convenient. On 
the other hand, the FA probably feels a lot more like a real lens, 
and you can drop it on the pavement from a fair height without 
breaking anything, or at least that's true for the similar F-version, 
which I have (yes, I've tried...)


- Toralf


Thanks,
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Re: Where is everyone?

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On 21/03/15 14:56, Christine Aguila wrote:

On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote:

I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.

I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?

#I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain #characters 
#a #lot.


I have hashtag allergies!  Cheers, Christine

So do I, really. Made myself slightly ill, there. Still trying to recover:-)

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Re: Where is everyone?

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On 19/03/15 14:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Thought I hadn't been here *that* long, but I think I know.

I don't seem to be contributing a lot these days, or taking a lot of 
photos. Not sure I have a good reason not to, but it seems like the days 
have started running faster than me lately.


I think I list like this is easily better than any web forum, but the 
way. In fact, I've more or less given up any web site where I have to 
create an account - which I'll forget I even have a few weeks later, if 
you know what I'm saying...


- Toralf



Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review  Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.

How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members?




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Re: Where is everyone?

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On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote:

I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.

I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?
#I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain 
#characters #a #lot.


- Toralf (#happy)



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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review  Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.

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Re: Where is everyone?

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On 19/03/15 13:53, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
I've forgotten exactly where it was, but I saw it mentioned on some web 
forum, or possibly a Usenet group. This may not have been the first time 
I read about it, but I remember someone commenting that surely I was a 
member of the PDML, who knew so much - in response to an answer I posted 
to a question about some kind of Pentax gear (which I knew thanks to 
Boz's site.) I'm still not sure if the guy was sarcastic or not...


- T



I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
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PESO: Vår

[Toralf Lund]

Just thought I'd post this

http://se.toralf.net/post/118595806383/spring

- since I might possibly have submitted it for the May PUG, if I'd only 
remembered that I had it. Just a snapshot from a park near me, taken 
sunday after Easter, which was one of the first days this spring that 
the place was completely snow-free. And people were slowly starting to 
come out from their dens...


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Re: May PUG - Enjoy!!

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On 06/05/15 12:29, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Another great gallery, with more Spring offerings than Autumn.  A nice 
range of Spring flowers - I especially liked Mark's Trillium and 
Ken's Bleeding Heart and I really like Dan's Heart of the Bloom, 
but I think my overall favourite this month is Matt's Autumn Morning 
with sunlight filtering through light mist.


As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/
Nice gallery, again. I think Rick's chalk art (or photo of it, rather) 
is my favourite because it's something slightly different, but I like 
them all.


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Re: PESO: Vår

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On 10/05/15 20:09, Jack Davis wrote:

Nice perspective and movement, Toralf!


Thank you.

- Toralf


Jack

Sent from my iPhone


On May 10, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

Just thought I'd post this

http://se.toralf.net/post/118595806383/spring

- since I might possibly have submitted it for the May PUG, if I'd only 
remembered that I had it. Just a snapshot from a park near me, taken sunday 
after Easter, which was one of the first days this spring that the place was 
completely snow-free. And people were slowly starting to come out from their 
dens...

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Re: GESO - 28/40

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On 30/07/15 21:13, Jack Davis wrote:

I'd guess that you are lightly reflected somewhere in the lower right window 
shot.

Exactly.

I actually mentioned it partly because I posted something similar 
earlier, and someone pointed out that they noticed the selfie...



I wouldn't know even if I did.
I lived with one of those ME Supers for a number of years. Still have 
it...somewhere.

You should take it out for a spin :-)

I got mine a few years ago as I bought a package where I really wanted 
one of the lenses (and didn't have to pay more than it was worth.) I 
don't use it much, but it's a handy camera to carry around with a single 
lens, if you don't mind shooting film.


I may also need little projects like shoot a roll of BW with this 
particular camera and one lens myself these days, if I'm going to take 
any pictures at all.


- T




J

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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:58:28 AM
Subject: GESO - 28/40

Hi,

I'm sure there are literally thousands of people on this list who have
found it hard to get any sleep lately because they are wondering so much
what I'm doing this summer. Well, here is at least part of the answer:
I've been walking around with an old ME Super loaded with T-Max 400
film, and either my M-28 or M-40 attached, shooting at a rather modest
pace by today's standards. Here is also a part of the outcome so far, or
around 12.8 % to be more precise:

http://se.toralf.net/post/125445245848/2840

Comments are welcome, as usual. I realise many of you will get very
disappointed because you don't notice any selfies, but you may actually
be able to spot a subtle one if you look hard enough :-)

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GESO - 28/40

[Toralf Lund]

Hi,

I'm sure there are literally thousands of people on this list who have 
found it hard to get any sleep lately because they are wondering so much 
what I'm doing this summer. Well, here is at least part of the answer: 
I've been walking around with an old ME Super loaded with T-Max 400 
film, and either my M-28 or M-40 attached, shooting at a rather modest 
pace by today's standards. Here is also a part of the outcome so far, or 
around 12.8 % to be more precise:


http://se.toralf.net/post/125445245848/2840

Comments are welcome, as usual. I realise many of you will get very 
disappointed because you don't notice any selfies, but you may actually 
be able to spot a subtle one if you look hard enough :-)


- Toralf

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

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On 23/07/15 23:39, Eric Weir wrote:

On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

For my bicycle travels I've used a Tamrac Velocity 7 sling pack.
Holds a camera and one or two lenses. Fast, easy access. Worked very
well for me

Thanks, Mark. I picked up a Pentax sling bag during a visit to KEH a few months 
back. I like Larry’s suggestion, but the sling bag might work pretty well.


The problem with sling bags is that they will keep sliding to your side 
when you want them to stay on the back. Or at least, this happens a lot 
when I cycle around with my small Tamrac. Perhaps other models/brands 
have better designs that may help prevent it...


- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Se på koret

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On 25/07/15 16:03, Rick Womer wrote:

I like it!  The kids in the foreground are intriguing, and the reds really do pull 
it together (as others have said).

Thanks.

Like I said, I tend to find people watching stuff interesting (as 
subjects for photos.) Perhaps especially children.


One might try a bit of vignetting as a finishing touch.


Hmmm. Yes, that's something to thing about. Maybe I'll play around with 
the image a bit later...


- Toralf


Cheers,

Rick

On Jul 22, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:


A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street. As 
usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and other 
comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but *maybe* it 
works...

- Toralf

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Re: PESO - Se på koret

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On 25/07/15 16:14, Jack Davis wrote:

I agree with Rick.
The thing that really pulls it together for me and finishes the shot, is the 
stand out red coat on the left.


Thank you. Glad you like it.

- T


J

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I like it!  The kids in the foreground are intriguing, and the reds really do pull 
it together (as others have said).

One might try a bit of vignetting as a finishing touch.

Cheers,

Rick

On Jul 22, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:


A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street. As 
usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and other 
comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but *maybe* it 
works...

- Toralf

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Re: PESO - All Eyes on George

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On 25/07/15 02:16, Knarf wrote:

Being watched:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2015/07/being-judged.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
Nice. Well-timed shot, I'd say. The biker looks a bit on the heavy side 
to be up in the air, but perhaps that's not a nice thing to say :-/


- Toralf




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PESO - Se på koret

[Toralf Lund]

A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street. 
As usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:


http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and 
other comments, too :-)


I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but 
*maybe* it works...


- Toralf

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Re: PESO - The Final Grebe Shot

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On 23/07/15 04:03, frank theriault wrote:

Okay, not the last ~ever~ but the last from Sunday's shoot. I think
this is my favourite because it's earlier, before the skies got really
dark - the aperture was a bit smaller so both grebes are fairly well
focused (by my standards, anyway):
I didn't look at the others, I must admit, but I like this one. 
Especially the colour/reflections in the water.


- Toralf




http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-final-grebe-shot.html

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Re: PESO - Se på koret

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On 23/07/15 18:23, David J Brooks wrote:

works for me


Good to hear. Thanks.

- Toralf


Dave

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street. As
usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and
other comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but *maybe*
it works...

- Toralf

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Re: PESO - Se på koret

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On 23/07/15 12:31, Knarf wrote:

I think it works.

Good :-)


  Lots of red. Kind of pulls it together somehow.


It was definitely the red that caught my eye at the time. Especially the 
balloons.



Thank you,

- Toralf



Cheers,

frank

On 22 July, 2015 5:48:20 AM EDT, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street.

As usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and

other comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but
*maybe* it works...

- Toralf



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Re: November PUG - On Two Wheels - is now up

[Toralf Lund]

On 08/11/15 22:35, Brian Walters wrote:

'morning all.

As expected, quite a few cycles this month (both pedal & motor).  Mark's
dramatic 'Criterium' is my pick but I also like Dave's 'The Attack',
Frank's 'Thumbs Up' and Pat's 'High Flyer'.

Good to see Subash back, too.

There's lots to enjoy here.  Take a look!

As usual you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

Nice!

I particularly like Bill's photo, because it's "less obvious", to put it 
that way.


- Toralf




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Re: Total Lunar Eclipse

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On 28/09/15 21:16, P.J. Alling wrote:
I wish I had a story that would go with.  I write better first lines 
than most authors, it's the rest that escapes me.
Doesn't this look like one of those spots where someone tends to say 
Mark! ??


- Toralf



On 9/28/2015 3:12 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
I suggest this line of yours for the beginning of a short story or 
novel...


"The eclipse was over the clouds were gone,
the moon hung unobscured in the night sky,
 the dog didn't care."

Or , as a line to start that game I played long ago with literary 
types  writing a line or two, folding over the paper so only part of
what you wrote showed, passing it to the next person to write a 
couplet, repeat folding paper... around the room and then the

last person opens up the whole thing and reads aloud the resulting work.

ann

On 9/28/2015 3:02 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
The absolute worst part, is I went to bed and slept fitfully for 
about two hours, woke up and the dog noticed, and let me know he 
wanted to go out.  Having nothing better to do, except sleep, I 
threw on some clothes, and gave him the treat, of an after midnight 
walk. 
  The eclipse was over the clouds were gone, the moon hung unobscured 
in the night sky, the dog didn't care.


On 9/28/2015 1:58 PM, John wrote:
Despite the local weather forecast, I went outside a few times to 
check

if it was visible.

Got one fairly good glimpse at the moon through the clouds before it
started. Not enough to see any details; just barely enough to see 
there

is texture to the moon's surface. Later there was another glimpse
through thinner clouds when the moon was half covered by the earth's
shadow.

When I checked at the time it was supposed to peak, I saw a dark grey
spot in the clouds where the moon should have been. It lasted for an
instant or so before more clouds rolled in.

I thought about setting my camera up anyway, maybe try to get 
something

to use for the "Wind" PUG, but I couldn't really figure out how to get
anything other than a grey smear against the darker grey of higher 
clouds.


So, anyway, I did see some of the super-moon & eclipse, but never 
enough

to justify burning any electrons to try to capture an image.

On 9/27/2015 10:53 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
had a decent view until about 10:15.. then the clouds rolled in... 
about

20 minutes later I could just barely make out a hint of
anorangepenetratingthe light cloud cover.   :- (

ann



On 9/27/2015 9:02 PM, Knarf wrote:
The moon just disappeared behind a thin layer of clouds here. 
One can

still see moonlight peeking through the clouds, but no moon.

Hope that situation changes...

Cheers,

frank

On 27 September, 2015 8:57:34 PM EDT, ann sanfedele
 wrote:

I see the moon from my window now


On 9/27/2015 8:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

It's overcast here, unfortunately.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Knarf 

wrote:
Looks like it might get a bit hazy but the moon's still low 
in the
sky and clearly seen.  I think I missed a nice moonrise over 
the Lake.

Maybe I'll wander down and see what's what...

Cheers,

frank

On 27 September, 2015 7:19:31 PM EDT, John 


wrote:

Unfortunately, it's still heavily overcast around here. Nearest

patch

of
clear skies is several hundred miles away.

On 9/22/2015 3:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

   From an email I received this afternoon:


Total Lunar Eclipse!

On the evening of September 27th, skywatchers throughout North

America
will be treated to one of nature’s grandest celestial sky 
shows –

a

total eclipse of the Moon. And unlike the one in April which

occurred
in the early predawn hours, this one will happen during 
convenient

evening ones.

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Re: geso just a aimless photowalk

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On 06/06/16 02:29, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Trying to get back in the photo groove.  Nothin fancy.  I think it’s going to 
take me a while to get back into the groove.

http://caguilaphotography.com/june3photowalk/index.html
The issue I have here is that I've now got an 80s song stuck to my 
brain, and there is no way I can get rid of it.


Other than this, that groove doesn't seem to have taken long to get 
into. I particularly like the one with the backs and the C**on.


- T





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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

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On 04/02/16 15:44, P.J. Alling wrote:

I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this...

http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds

Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just 
ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well.
Well, I don't know, one has to consider what you have to pay to get 
hand-hammerers to hammer anything with their hands these days, not to 
mention the normal asking price from your typical nano-coating (I've no 
idea what that even means) coaterer...


- T


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Re: PESO: Aegean Feast

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On 23/05/16 15:52, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Jack, Mark, Paul, Christine, Alan and Bob for looking and commenting.

Octopus is quite good, when done right.  My first experience with it
was a smoked tentacle I purchased in a park in Japan about 50 years
ago.  That was a bit chewy.

Octopus is a local specialty in Mykonos, and they know how to do it
well.  The traditional way of tenderizing it is to slam it against a
rock 100 times, but I suspect they have easier methods today.  In any
event, this dish was quite tasty, as were the caramelized onions
served with it.  A glass of Ouzo completes the experience.

A glass of Ouzo tends to help, doesn't it?

- T


Dan Matyola
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On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

First tarantulas and now Octopus lunch?? eowww!!

J

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Subject: PESO: Aegean Feast

One of the delights of travel is dining on something a bit different.
This is my dinner from our evening in Mykonos:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18235782=lg
K-5 IIs, 18-135 Zzoom
Comments and criticisms are invited.

Dan Matyola
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Re: PDML Annual 2016: Salon des Refusés

[Toralf Lund]

On 22/05/16 15:37, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I can see why my third image wasn't selected for the book:  It's damn ugly!

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18037521=lg
Perhaps nobody would have had the nerve to actually buy the book, with 
this in a prominent place...


- T



Dan
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On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

On 17/05/16 01:02, Bruce Walker wrote:

Knarf has initiated this in prior years but he's been quiet lately so
I'll kick it off.

The Salon des Refusés is a gallery of the shots submitted to but not
selected by the editors of the PDML Annual 2016.

Feel free to add yours to the thread.

OK. I just had to get the book first...

http://se.toralf.net/post/144746423898/2015-4-28
http://se.toralf.net/post/144746616358/2015-4-27

Actually, at least one of them is in there, kind of. There's a nice little
exercise for everyone, right?

- Toralf




This is the shot of the three I submitted that was not selected by the
curators:

"Facebook Safe"
http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/ITUW0EWXO4zA

As all the images I submitted contained much exposed skin, I imagine
that I gave the selection committee pause. :)



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Re: PDML Annual 2016: Salon des Refusés

[Toralf Lund]

On 17/05/16 01:02, Bruce Walker wrote:

Knarf has initiated this in prior years but he's been quiet lately so
I'll kick it off.

The Salon des Refusés is a gallery of the shots submitted to but not
selected by the editors of the PDML Annual 2016.

Feel free to add yours to the thread.

OK. I just had to get the book first...

http://se.toralf.net/post/144746423898/2015-4-28
http://se.toralf.net/post/144746616358/2015-4-27

Actually, at least one of them is in there, kind of. There's a nice 
little exercise for everyone, right?


- Toralf





This is the shot of the three I submitted that was not selected by the curators:

"Facebook Safe"
http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/ITUW0EWXO4zA

As all the images I submitted contained much exposed skin, I imagine
that I gave the selection committee pause. :)




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Re: PESO: Tilbake på taket 2

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On 10/04/17 21:30, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 10/4/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


They should leave it to picture editors, who are recruited from people
who didn't make the grade as piano tuners.

I like you're thinking man!!

We should try to get some to join the list :-)






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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

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On 11/04/17 19:11, Gonz wrote:

Perhaps they didn't cross at the right place:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/11310996113/in/album-72157638562423716/lightbox/

Brilliant.

Maybe I should contact the local authorities, and demand that they put 
up a sign like that :-)


- Toralf





On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a
bit sad today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the sad
part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for the
fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his
maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so
on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these
in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was going
on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open"
like this.

Any theories?

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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

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Yes. I learned something new, too.

As far as I know, we have two different species of newts here, and they 
are both considered as endangered. It hadn't occurred to me that you 
might come across them at this particular location, although it has a 
couple of ponds which I think are artificial. On the other hand, I'd 
heard that they can be found in a certain area a couple of kilometres 
away...


- Toralf

On 11/04/17 18:52, Alan C wrote:

Very interesting, Toralf.

I have never seen one. There are no indigenous Newts in SA although I 
read that Italian Crested Newts were brought in as "pets" and some 
have escaped into the wild.


Alan C

-Original Message----- From: Toralf Lund
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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

On 11/04/17 06:37, Alan C wrote:
It is surprising that lizards can survive your winter conditions at 
all yet

obviously some do.

Yeah, maybe that's the surprising bit. Apparently, you can find them in
much more northerly parts of the country...

  Many reptiles are able to survive very cold conditions
by hibernating. Even here, where it doesn't get very cold, the lizards &
snakes tend to be quite sluggish on cooler mornings.

Quite. I few years ago I actually came across a slow-worm on the
pavement near where I live. This was an a cool evening rather than
morning, and the English name of the creature seemed quite appropriate,
if you know what I mean.


I would say those are
in the process of emerging from hibernation. Perhaps you should have
observed them over an extended period?

Anyhow, I actually asked the natural history museum, and according to
them, this is in fact not a lizard after all, but rather a newt in its
"terrestrial phase", also known as an "eft". I thought these would have
flatter and thicker tails, but I guess that's something that they
develop later... Apparently, they will wander from their place of
hibernation to dams around this time, and run a great risk of drying out
if it's too sunny. There is also a change that they have been forced out
into the sun because their place has been disturbed.

- Toralf


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:09 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were 
caught out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be 
warmed up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a 
herpetologist or a theologian would know.


B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, 
and I think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange 
and perhaps a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The 
thing is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still 
because he was pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, 
ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his maker, run down the 
curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps 
nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these in 
a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it 
through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several 
of them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: Test

[Toralf Lund]

 On 03/04/17 01:00, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Test. This is simply a test.



And if you actually reading this, boy, are you bored.

It actually ended up in my "Spam" folder (blame Google), and I still read
it. I wonder what that says about by boredness (is that a word??)

- T


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Re: April PUG theme 20th anniversary

[Toralf Lund]

On 31/03/17 21:27, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Wait wait! You mean we were supposed to select something good? I would still be 
looking through files if I had known that...
Fortunately, I knew I didn't have anything good anyway, so I didn't have 
to spend a lot of time looking.


- T



stan


On Mar 31, 2017, at 2:04 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

Ok, I'm in. Had a hard time finding something I thought was good enough to 
submit.

On 3/30/2017 10:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Just submitted my PUG entry!  Just FYI, Brian!  Thanks for all your work on the 
PUG!  Cheers, Christine






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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/04/17 05:14, Ken Waller wrote:

Maybe his warranty ran out!   (;-)

Of course :-)

- T


-Original Message-

From: Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net>
Subject: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps
a bit sad today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing
is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was
pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired
and gone to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin'
choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path.
This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor
creatures just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit
strange to find several of them "in the open" like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf





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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

Interesting...

On 11/04/17 03:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Or, maybe it was a lizard rain...
If it can rain frogs, it could rain lizards, perhaps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_of_animals
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog.htm 



Igor


Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:10:51 -0700 wrote:

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught 
out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed 
up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist 
or a theologian would know.



B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and 
I think
I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a 
bit sad

today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is 
(the sad
part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining 
for the
fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to 
meet his
maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, 
and so
on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 
of these
in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going

on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in 
the open"

like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf





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PESO: Tilbake på taket 2

[Toralf Lund]

Just because I'm bored, and find that I use that "microblog" site of 
mine far to little, here's one of the pictures I didn't post for the 
last PUG:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159385142213/taket2

Cheers,

- Toralf


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PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I 
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps 
a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing 
is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was 
pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired 
and gone to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' 
choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I 
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path. 
This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor 
creatures just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit 
strange to find several of them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/04/17 06:37, Alan C wrote:
It is surprising that lizards can survive your winter conditions at 
all yet

obviously some do.
Yeah, maybe that's the surprising bit. Apparently, you can find them in 
much more northerly parts of the country...

  Many reptiles are able to survive very cold conditions
by hibernating. Even here, where it doesn't get very cold, the lizards &
snakes tend to be quite sluggish on cooler mornings.
Quite. I few years ago I actually came across a slow-worm on the 
pavement near where I live. This was an a cool evening rather than 
morning, and the English name of the creature seemed quite appropriate, 
if you know what I mean.



I would say those are
in the process of emerging from hibernation. Perhaps you should have
observed them over an extended period?
Anyhow, I actually asked the natural history museum, and according to 
them, this is in fact not a lizard after all, but rather a newt in its 
"terrestrial phase", also known as an "eft". I thought these would have 
flatter and thicker tails, but I guess that's something that they 
develop later... Apparently, they will wander from their place of 
hibernation to dams around this time, and run a great risk of drying out 
if it's too sunny. There is also a change that they have been forced out 
into the sun because their place has been disturbed.


- Toralf


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:09 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught 
out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed 
up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist 
or a theologian would know.


B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and 
I think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and 
perhaps a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The 
thing is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still 
because he was pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, 
ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his maker, run down the 
curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps 
nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these in a 
similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it 
through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of 
them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO: Tilbake på taket 2

[Toralf Lund]

On 09/04/17 23:11, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 9/4/17, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed:


Just because I'm bored, and find that I use that "microblog" site of
mine far to little, here's one of the pictures I didn't post for the
last PUG:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159385142213/taket2

I like that a lot better!

Thanks.

Always hard to decide which one to submit...

- T





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Re: New member

[Toralf Lund]

On 22/04/17 02:12, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Watch for falling puns. Or is that failing puns?

Is that a MARK!! ?

Which is something that will be explained, I'm sure.

Velkommen, Michael.

- Toralf



Welcome.

Marnie aka Doe

On 4/20/2017 8:48 AM, Gonz wrote:

On 4/19/2017 2:21 AM, michaelc wrote:

I would like to introduce myself to the forum.  My name is Michael
Costello and I am from Saskatchewan Canada.  I shoot a K3 and am 
looking

forward to learning from you fellow members
Michael


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Re: New member

[Toralf Lund]

On 22/04/17 11:40, Brian Walters wrote:

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017, at 05:46 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:

On 22/04/17 02:12, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Watch for falling puns. Or is that failing puns?

Is that a MARK!! ?

Which is something that will be explained, I'm sure.

Velkommen, Michael.

- Toralf



Perhaps now is the time to point to the PDML FAQ. Yes, there is one -
and MARK! is explained, together with lots of other possibly useless
information some of which is now outdated :-)
The "Cotty's Hat" entry seems to need an update. I'm not sure what 
happened at the critical moment, there - apparently I wasn't paying 
attention at the time.


- T



http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html

Oh - and welcome Michael.


Cheers
  
Brian


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Re: New member

[Toralf Lund]

On 24/04/17 21:14, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/4/17, John, discombobulated, unleashed:


He ate something that looked like a hat.

But tasted much better ;-)


Are you sure?

You should probably try eating a hat, just to check. :-)

- T





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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

 On 21/06/17 18:00, P. J. Alling wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the reply
button.   A!.

It seems like one of the Mozilla developers has decided to be one way about
this. Perhaps it would help if more people complained. See

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309486


- Toralf




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From: P. J. Alling 

To: Zos Xavius  



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!
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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

On 21/06/17 19:53, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


P.J.,

It would be REALLY strange if the update to Firefox would fix whatever 
problems you are having with Thunderbird...


;-)

On a serious note, speaking of that "reply"-button problem, - have you 
(and everybody else on the list who suffers from it) submitted a bug 
report on it?

If not, - you should.
As I sort of said elsewhere, I did. Unfortunately, the report got marked 
as a duplicate of another issue (which I didn't notice when searching), 
and that issue is marked as WONTFIX. But I'm still shouting.



1. They might not be aware of it.
2. They might not think that change was a problem...
Part of the issue seems to be that one of the developers behind the 
change has decided that it's not a problem, no matter how many people 
say that it is in fact a problem.


3. The priority of the problem fixing is decided by the overall 
loudness (hence the number) of complaints.

... but even some loudness might still help, perhaps...

Meanwhile, I found that the situation gets a little better if you

1. Right-click on the header in the message view and select "Customise..."
2. Drag the button marked "Reply" from the main window to the
   "Customise Toolbar" window (so as to remove it from the view.)
3. Press Done in the window I just mentioned.

The message view will then only have a "Smart reply" button which 
alternates between "Reply", "Reply All" and "Reply List" depending on 
the context. (Note that the behaviour changes compared to when you also 
have the "normal" "Reply" button, because then the "Smart Reply" then 
hides itself in some cases.)


Actually, the situation might be acceptable if you could also add "Smart 
reply" to the main tool-bar and have a keyboard short-cut for it. There 
are bug reports related to this, too, but they're not exactly new, so 
there is a question of whether the issues will ever be addressed.


I still think the "Reply" implementation is wrong in principle, though...

- Toralf



Igor


P. J. Alling Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:02:46 -0700 wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the 
reply button. A!.




 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date:   Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling 
To: Zos Xavius 



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!





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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

On 23/06/17 20:20, Toralf Lund wrote:

On 23/06/17 20:01, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:00:18PM +0200, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his 
left
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders 
with

it.


Note that the part of the message I quote above only indicates one 
level of
quoting - Toralf's original post simply quoted P.J.'s post inline, 
with no

way to differentiate it from any other non-quoted part of the message.

I've seen the same thing on one of Ann's posts, too.

Is this yet another example of a mail client ignoring mandated 
behaviour?
I think it isn't in this case, but that things get mixed up by mistake 
if you hit delete at the wrong spot, or something. I didn't really 
notice it happening in that message...


M$ Outlook is more notion's when it comes to quoting behaviour, or the 
lack thereof, isn't it?
OMG. That should read, "more *notorious*". Spell-checker didn't agree, 
though.


- T



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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

On 23/06/17 20:01, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:00:18PM +0200, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his left
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders with
it.


Note that the part of the message I quote above only indicates one level of
quoting - Toralf's original post simply quoted P.J.'s post inline, with no
way to differentiate it from any other non-quoted part of the message.

I've seen the same thing on one of Ann's posts, too.

Is this yet another example of a mail client ignoring mandated behaviour?
I think it isn't in this case, but that things get mixed up by mistake 
if you hit delete at the wrong spot, or something. I didn't really 
notice it happening in that message...


M$ Outlook is more notion's when it comes to quoting behaviour, or the 
lack thereof, isn't it?


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Re: Stupid car question

[Toralf Lund]

On 26/06/17 21:13, P. J. Alling wrote:

I hope they're sold with run flat tires too.
I think most new cars no longer have a spare tyre as standard equipment 
around here, although it may be available as an option. Instead, some 
kind of repair kit is included. Typically a contraption that will fill 
the tyre with a mixture of air and a gluey substance. I guess it works 
pretty well on simple pinhole type punctures, but if you get a proper 
tear you're in trouble...


- Toralf




On 6/26/2017 1:55 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Or just get rid of it...

Last year I was at a Kia dealership, and was surprised that one car 
had _NO_ spare tire, not even a donut.

I forgot what model that was, - must've been either Sportage, Optima,
or possibly Sorrento or Rio.

And it turns out many cars are sold like that:
http://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Vehicles-Sold-Without-a-Spare-Tire.pdf 

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/laautoshow/la-fi-hy-spare-tires-20161115-story.html 




Cheers,

Igor



Ralf R Radermacher Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:36:20 -0700 wrote:

Am 26.06.17 um 05:33 schrieb Ken Waller:

   Mainly a styling issue but functionally it did get the spare tire 
out

   of the trunk and give more room in the trunk.



Wish there'd be something like this for today's vehicles. I'd like to 
have our car converted to LPG, if I only knew where to put the spare 
wheel.



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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

 On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his left
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders with
it.

Changing mandated mandated behavior of a system. on a whim to "fix"
behavior that no one really complained about, then deciding come hell or
high water that he's right while users scream at him is worse than a sin.

No truly successful organization that I've ever worked for would have let
me get away with that, even if I were right, and this a$$hat is so
obviously wrong, he seems to be wearing his a$$ as  a balaclava.

I know that using the word ass won't get this post banned from the PDML but
I think spelling it with dollar sighs is amusing.

:-)

Nicely summarised, anyhow.

I'll try to keep away from that bug report from now on, as accessing it
can't possibly be good for my blood pressure.

- Toralf



On 6/22/2017 2:53 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 21/06/17 18:00, P. J. Alling wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the reply
button.   A!.

It seems like one of the Mozilla developers has decided to be one way about
this. Perhaps it would help if more people complained. See

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309486


- Toralf




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Subject: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com> <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> <zosxav...@gmail.com>
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The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!
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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[Toralf Lund]

On 27/05/17 16:09, John wrote:

[ .. ]

So I'm thinking about a Linux laptop. Which means either GIMP for image
editing or trying to run PhotoShop on WINE.

I know there are some Linux users here, maybe even a Guru or two.
I mostly use Linux; CentOS 6 and 7 distributions. It's where I do 
development at work, actually. I can't say I like the GNOME 3 desktop of 
the latter version much, but apart from that I'm quite happy with it, 
and there is always MATE (https://mate-desktop.org/)...


Anyone using GIMP recently? Or running PhotoShop using WINE?
Yep. Using GIMP, too. Works for me, but it's been ages since I tried 
PhotoShop, so I'm might not be too helpful if you want to a comparison.


I generally do "raw conversion" in RawTherapee 
(http://www.rawtherapee.com/), and also often adjust colour balance, 
"levels" etc. there. I tend to pre-process in this tool even when 
scanning film. I think it does the job rather well.


- T



Or is there another way?

Help!




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Re: Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

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On 29/05/17 04:21, P. J. Alling wrote:
> There I forgot to hit reply to list...


See
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3030392=14749778

- T

>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior
> Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:52:35 -0400
> From: P. J. Alling 
> To: Doug Brewer 
>
>
>
> There's probably something changed in the Thunderbird settings that
> happened with the last update.  I can probably change it back to the
> previous settings if I do a google lookup.  I just have to remember to
> use the Reply List rather than the Reply button.
>
> On 5/28/2017 5:55 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird
>> has done something new without looking at their release notes, but
>> "reply list" works fine.
>>
>> If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list
>> address, stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK
>> without that for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply
>> settings.
>>
>> On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the
>>> list software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of
>>> replies lately that seem to have been sent directly to the
>>> originating persons email rather than to the list.  I haven't
>>> changed what I've been doing but now I have to remember to click
>>> reply list.  I really hate when crap like that happens.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Really annoying new behavior

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On 30/05/17 18:18, Doug Brewer wrote:
Yes, the PDML is something of an anomaly in this regard. The mailman 
settings strongly recommend reply to sender. It certainly cuts down on 
list traffic, but since our little community thrives on group sharing, 
I think reply to list is warranted.
I must say that this seems like the obvious choice for most other lists 
I'm on, too - as they'll generally get questions related to software or 
whatever, which more often that not touch on problems other people will 
have, too.


Anyhow, I think the e-mail application should respect the choice made by 
the list admin through the Reply-to header setting, and not enforce its 
own ideas. Perhaps everyone should here should nag the Thunderbird 
developers to get them to revert the change...


- Toralf



On 5/30/17 11:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On the couple of lists I manage, reply to sender is the default 
because it forces list participants to think about whether they want 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

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On 23/05/18 00:48, Larry Colen wrote:



Toralf Lund wrote:


I tend to look for interesting, too, but hardly ever seem to spot any,
so what can you do? :-)


I've been spending a few decades perfecting boring.

Really? Did you find it interesting?

- T








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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

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On 19/05/18 16:28, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Part 3A

I'm PISSED because Bruce Nagel and Larry Colen both called up the ghost of
M C Escher to produce images that just hypnotize me.

I'm PISSED because I took hundreds of images of beautiful orchids in Maui,
and Jan van Wijk came up with an orchid image that brings the flowers alive
to an extent I find frightening.

I'm PISSED because I am always looking for something interesting to
photograph, while Dag Thrane and Toralf Lund took images of nothing and
created compelling works of art.

Thanks.

I tend to look for interesting, too, but hardly ever seem to spot any, 
so what can you do? :-)


- Toralf





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Re: June PUG is up

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On 5 June 2018 at 13:21, Alan C  wrote:

> Very cool, chaps. I really enjoyed those. My "flippant" contribution is
> probably a bit out of kilter.
>
I rather like it.

It made me smile, and I might have thought of a certain cartoon even
without the reference :-)

- Toralf


> Alan C
>
>
> On 06/05/2018 12:49 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> Some great musical suggestions this month - some familiar (always happy to
>> listen to Paul Simon & Jimmy Buffett) and some new to me (Sara Bareilles -
>> thanks Don!).  Take a moment to enjoy the images and listen to the music
>> (click
>> on the speaker icon in the title).
>>
>> View here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>>
>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
>> there).
>>
>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>> gallery,
>> let me know.
>>
>> +
>>
>> Next up: 'Sunrise/Sunset'.
>>
>> Full Submissions Guidelines here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>>
>> You can submit here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>>
>> Cheers
>> Brian
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>
>>
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Re: 6 Pentax 35mm Lenses Tested

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On 07/03/18 03:16, Bill wrote:

On 3/6/2018 1:27 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

For those having a weakness for lenses of 35 mm focal length:
There is a recent comparison of good old Pentax 35 mm lenses by 
"vyoufinder" on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/IrjwRUi3jfQ
A pleasure to watch (recorded near Moab Utah), and the music is not 
bad either.


Henk


Worst soundtrack ever. Absolutely unlistenable.
Sorry Henk for sending that offlist message. I can't get T-Bird to 
work properly with mail lists.
You may want to go to Preferences->Advanced->Config Editor..., and look 
for "mail.override_list_reply_to"...



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GESO - Metropolis

[Toralf Lund]

I thought I might post something on that "microblog" site of mine the 
other day. Even though it's only been about five years since last time. 
I guess my rate of posting here is also "once every few years" these 
days, but there you have it...


https://se.toralf.net/post/692942694488621056/metropolis

Thanks for looking. Or alternatively for ignoring it completely, which 
is probably also OK. As I'm saying, I tend to go out with High Hopes in 
these circumstances, but tend to end up with something that's, well, 
quite ordinary, I guess.


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Re: GESO - Metropolis

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On 24/08/2022 21:27, Bob Pdml wrote:

I was expecting something more along the lines of Fritz Lang.
Ah. Not sure I've watched any of his films in their entirety, but I've 
seen some scenes. Didn't think about them when posting, though.

What is the ‘special’ film you used?


The film is actually called Metropolis. Lomography brand. Which I guess 
often means a repackaged/rebranded version of something else, possibly 
intended for a different purpose, but I think they claim that this one 
is actually a new film.



  I have been taking B film photos lately, mainly Ilford FP-4, but I have 
bought five rolls of Ferrania P30 which promises interesting things.

Nice.

  Now I have to find a suitably neo-realist set of subjects.


Exactly. I also got a roll of Lomography Potsdam Kino 100. Might be similar.

- Toralf






On 24 Aug 2022, at 19:57, Toralf Lund  wrote:

I thought I might post something on that "microblog" site of mine the other day. Even 
though it's only been about five years since last time. I guess my rate of posting here is also 
"once every few years" these days, but there you have it...

https://se.toralf.net/post/692942694488621056/metropolis

Thanks for looking. Or alternatively for ignoring it completely, which is 
probably also OK. As I'm saying, I tend to go out with High Hopes in these 
circumstances, but tend to end up with something that's, well, quite ordinary, 
I guess.

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Re: GESO - Metropolis

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Thanks.

This is plain, old Oslo. Several shots are from recently developed areas.

I'm not sure it qualifies as a Metropolis, really, but I was looking for 
that "theme" at least in part, seeing as it's also the marketing name of 
the film. :-)


- Toralf

On 24/08/2022 21:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Quite interesting and well done!

In what city were these images taken?

For someone like me, living in the shadow of New York, that may not fit the
usual  preconception of a Metropolis, but it certainly looks like a
pleasant place to stroll and explore.

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:57 PM Toralf Lund  wrote:


I thought I might post something on that "microblog" site of mine the
other day. Even though it's only been about five years since last time.
I guess my rate of posting here is also "once every few years" these
days, but there you have it...

https://se.toralf.net/post/692942694488621056/metropolis

Thanks for looking. Or alternatively for ignoring it completely, which
is probably also OK. As I'm saying, I tend to go out with High Hopes in
these circumstances, but tend to end up with something that's, well,
quite ordinary, I guess.

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Re: GESO - Metropolis

[Toralf Lund]

Thanks!

Maybe I could have left the images a bit darker in post processing. I 
always find that kind of thing hard to judge. The film is supposed to 
give a "desaturated look", or something of that nature.


The gallery thing I'm using wants to scale images to available size 
(with borders) and doesn't offer an easy way to zoom in. The thumbnails 
at the bottom were supposed to have more direct links to the original, 
but sometimes add "frames", too. And maybe the files were also scaled a 
bit on upload. Need to have a closer look at everything if I continue to 
use this...


looks like the monument to the mand in the middle is eying the 
scooter(?) left in font of him

:-)

That's one of those "electric scooters" that seem to be everywhere these 
days. They annoy a lot of people, but I think they make nice subjects 
sometimes.


- Toralf

On 26/08/2022 14:01, ann sanfedele wrote:
Torlaf .. I read a lot of responses beofre I chimed in, and glad I did 
since I better understood what your slant was..
The 6th photo, the open space with buldings faintly emerging in the 
distance is very powerful and painterly.  it rather looks like
those drawings architects make to show what they are planning for the 
future.
the one preceding it  gave me a giggle - looks like the monument to 
the mand in the middle is eying the scooter(?) left in font of him
and the overall geometry is nice.   for most of the others, I'd 
personally prefer to see stronger lines and less of the overexposed 
look -
but that's just me.  your site doesnt let me enlarge the photos enough 
for me(with my eye promlems)to see them clearly... on my monitor (HP 
desktop< Windows 7 pro running) The largest I can make an image is the 
size of a 5 x 7 print..  is that just a clash of software across the 
seas or intentional ?
I usually have the opposite problem viewing some work too large to see 
the entire frame and I have to shrink it.


anyway, nice work as usual

ann





On 8/24/2022 2:57 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
I thought I might post something on that "microblog" site of mine the 
other day. Even though it's only been about five years since last 
time. I guess my rate of posting here is also "once every few years" 
these days, but there you have it...


https://se.toralf.net/post/692942694488621056/metropolis

Thanks for looking. Or alternatively for ignoring it completely, 
which is probably also OK. As I'm saying, I tend to go out with High 
Hopes in these circumstances, but tend to end up with something 
that's, well, quite ordinary, I guess.


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Re: GESO - Metropolis

[Toralf Lund]

Yep. Those are nice places.

The fortress is located behind the ship on the second to last picture, 
sort of. In case you wondered.


- Toralf

On 25/08/2022 22:25, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I've been to Oslo, and met up with Jostein there.

It is quite a beautiful city.  I have especially fond memories of Vigeland
Park and the fortress.

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 3:58 PM Toralf Lund  wrote:


Thanks.

This is plain, old Oslo. Several shots are from recently developed areas.

I'm not sure it qualifies as a Metropolis, really, but I was looking for
that "theme" at least in part, seeing as it's also the marketing name of
the film. :-)

- Toralf

On 24/08/2022 21:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Quite interesting and well done!

In what city were these images taken?

For someone like me, living in the shadow of New York, that may not fit

the

usual  preconception of a Metropolis, but it certainly looks like a
pleasant place to stroll and explore.

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:57 PM Toralf Lund  wrote:


I thought I might post something on that "microblog" site of mine the
other day. Even though it's only been about five years since last time.
I guess my rate of posting here is also "once every few years" these
days, but there you have it...

https://se.toralf.net/post/692942694488621056/metropolis

Thanks for looking. Or alternatively for ignoring it completely, which
is probably also OK. As I'm saying, I tend to go out with High Hopes in
these circumstances, but tend to end up with something that's, well,
quite ordinary, I guess.

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