Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

[bpa]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> Hmm I played from today's schedule first. What is the easiest way to
> clear the cache?
I don;t know how BBC Sounds caches items.  LMS keeps caches in
Cache/cache.db - so when LMS is stopped - delete it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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slartibartfast wrote: 
> I tried playing it from today's schedule and from a search result which
> said it was from 10 Nov 2015 and they played the same programme
> successfully

Did you clear caches ?

I tried from Search "Natural Histories Fleas" and it failed when trying
to play to a SBR even though Sounds had identified the right DASH/AAC
URL to play, image and text appear but no audio.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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kidstypike wrote: 
> That's live only though, no listen again?

The "Listen again" feeds are gone. So no "Listen Again" in BBCiPlayer or
Station menu in BBCiPlayerExtra.

BBCiPlayerExtra A-Z, Genres & Podcasts still work - even for recent
programmes as it uses a non-BBC Sounds browser based feed which still
seems to be active.

Up to Sept 2020, non UK users could not download BBC Sounds App for
iPhone or Android - only BBCiPlayer Radio was available.  
BBC have now replaced BBCiPlayer Radio entirely by BBC Sounds and so
feeds based on BBCiPlayer have also gone.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce - Song info plugin for FIP radio

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Paul Webster wrote: 
> I can repeat it, or at least something like it, when using the regular
> LMS.
> I have not worked out why it happens yet ... but my guess is that the
> plugin is getting a call when the playlist item is added to the list ...
> which is not something that I had allowed for.
> 
> What might be the problem is that I hold information in the plugin about
> what it thinks is playing on the current device ... and did not expect
> to get called for what will be coming up later so I can imagine that it
> could become confused.
> 
> I'll see what I can do about it but I suspect it will not be a quick fix
> as there is a lot going on here where I am at the moment.

IIRC the HTTP metadata handler calls a "getmetadatafor" type routine
which provides values for client and URL.

For BBCiPlayer I found LMS calls the the getmetadafor routine everytime
LMS needed metadata even for items in a playlist.  I identified an item
in a playing playlist (i.e. $client->isPlaying is true) by checking for
the $song from the URL - if not defined it is not playing (i.e. not
current) and in playlist for client.


Code:


  #  As supplied URL might be for a playlist item and one that is not actually 
streaming so use currentSongForUrl instead of streamingSong or 
streamingSongforUrl
my $song = $client->currentSongForUrl($url) ;
  




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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Softsqueeze - scrolling display problem

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vinnielo wrote: 
> But it does have very sexy graphics.
> Is there a way to make LMS "forget" a player ever existed? Just in case
> it's a fault/cause of LMS.
It's forgotten if player is not running  and LMS is restarted. If you
have multiple LMS - make sure player is off and check it has not been
picked up by other LMS.

When a player connects to a LMS there is a"HELO" message which exchanges
details to start a new connection.

You need to delete a mysqueezebox.com player explicitly from
mysqueezebox.com



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Softsqueeze - scrolling display problem

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vinnielo wrote: 
> I think there were a few bug reports that if you accidentally held down
> on a button press on the soft remote, you'd get persistent text
> scrolling on the display from the last station you were listening to.
> Closing and restarting doesn't help.
> Neither does uninstalling and reinstalling nor changing skins.
> I've also tried switching to the Java MP3 plugin in case resources were
> getting low.
> Is it game over?

Softsqueeze is the original slimserver softplayer and maintenance has
been minimal (by Ralphy I think) - just enough to keep it going with OS
/ Java / LMS updates.  
There are very few users.  
The only time I used it was to test plugin behaviour on a Transporter.

It's possble the problem originated a few years ago when scrolling was
changed from being software based from LMS to using a "firmware" based
in real SB players.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

AlecSp wrote: 
> Just a thought - is it worth adding a note to the first post in this
> thread alerting newcomers to the current state of the iPlayer plug-in
> and mentioning the Sounds plug-in as an alternative?   Sometimes, it can
> be helpful to spoonfeed!

Did that before, did a rev of the plugin etc. and then a day later BBC
restored the feeds.  So I'm playing a waiting game.

If a user logs on - they'll see lots of post with BBC in the title and
us talking at the end of this thread,

> A day on, it's actually not so bad once you've played about for a while.
> And it is a win to get the podcasts (even if for me that means only the
> Popmaster podcast) and the longer listen again history.

Podcast have been available in BBCiPlayerExtra for a couple of years.  
People get comfortable/complacent with a small set of options/choices
and don't explore and discover new things until their world is shaken.
https requirements forcing NAS users to upgrade/discover Pi and OS
upgrades are prime examples.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> Doesn't matter now but podcasts were available in the iPlayer Extras
> plugin. [emoji3]

Most of BBCiPlayerExtra still works A-Z and Genres & Podcasts.  The
station menu used the "Listen Again" feeds" and so are broken.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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Paul Webster wrote: 
> I was listening live ... so I think in that situation it would be OK to
> honour the now_playing indicator - but maybe it can be calculated by
> using the segment offsets. Also ... does the segment id help?
With DASH the segment id is a time stamp.  However if not playing live,
in some extreme cases, players can have large buffers and so can have
minutes of audio buffered in the player.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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jwedwards wrote: 
> Netgear ReadyNAS 314
> Firmware: 6.10.3
I think you may be best posting on a ReadyNas thread to get best answer
from a ReadyNAs user as there may be better ways. 
But the post below seems to indicate you need to "manually" install LMS
latest version.
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?112652-Upgrading-LMS-7-9-3-to-8-x-on-Netgear-ReadyNAS&p=983060&viewfull=1#post983060



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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jwedwards wrote: 
> Where do I find those?
Usually IO::Socket::SSL is on the WebUI Setting/Information but since
you are on 7.9.0 - I think it is too old.

"openssl -version" is usually done from command line but since you are
on a NAS and 7.9.0 is latest - I'm guessing this too is out of date/.

For some models of popular NASs QNAP, Synology I think there are 3rd
party upgrade paths to 8.0.0

Give details of NAS - make / model, OS version.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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jwedwards wrote: 
> I just installed this plugin because the listen again features on BBC
> iPlayer plugin have stopped working (live radio works OK) but all I get
> is "connect timed out" when I try to access anything in BBC Sounds. Any
> suggestions?
> 
> LMS 7.9.0

Connect Timed out is a common symptom of SSL support not up to date.  
I'm not sure of BBC Sounds SSL requirement but to help give version of 
IO::Socket::SSL and openssl



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> I did a spot check on the download logs on my server this morning and I
> was surprised to see that 40% of the downloads of the plugin from
> yesterday are from LMS versions earlier than 7.9.3!
> Even a few for version 7.9.0  :eek:

For BBCiPlayer there were some 7.8.* and even 7.7.* .  The https
requirement has encouraged a significant portion of the LMS community up
to 7.9.3 or 8.0.0 but some of those using NAS or old hardware may find
it hard/impossible to upgrade to LMS 7.9.3 

I would keep the 7.9.* requirement because you can't be sure when BBC
will enforce a https only requirement.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

coyrls wrote: 
> The BBC Sounds plugin works with 7.9.x, so there is no need to update to
> v8 to get the Sounds plugin.
I think 7.9.* is too generous - BBC have https requirements so 7.9.4 or
possibly 7.9.3 are probably required. Also for LMS plugins repositories
https is needed so make sure all other SSL stuff is up to date.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

AlecSp wrote: 
> That's very sad if that's the case.  And thank goodness for the Sounds
> plug-in, even if it's a load more clicks to navigate - I installed it
> earlier as a workaround for this.
I know what you mean about clicks but it's early days only 3 months old.
The BBCiPlayer plugin built on AlienBBC and so has had about 15 years to
get it right.

Using a proper API should mean it is easier to maintain but it may also
force a certain navigation "style" onto the UI.

> And, if it's finally the end for the iPlayer plug-in, can I only say a
> huge thank you again for keeping this going as long as you have.  I'm
> not the only one in your debt here, but greatly appreciate all you've
> done.
Triode laid the groundwork, I maintained it in his absence.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

AlecSp wrote: 
> On selecting a station for listen again: "There was an error loading the
> remote feed for : (410 Gone)"
> 
> I'm guessing this is a BBC feed change thing (again)?

The BBC have provided a feed for "Listen Again" for many years but have
indicated that it would be ended. There have been previous hiccoughs and
service ruened but I think this time it is final as BBC Sounds became
available to non-UK user at end of Sept.

I suggest migrate over to the BBC Sounds which uses an API which BBC's
own apps use.  

The BBC Sounds plugin is available in LMS 3rd parties plugin list - no
special repository needs to be added.  You need to register on BBC
Sounds web site for an id.

Post comments, issues, suggestions on the BBC Sounds thread
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113045-Announce-BBC-Sounds-Plugin



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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florca wrote: 
> Feels like the end of a very long road for this plugin, which in its
> various guises and with a phenomenal amount of work from you (and
> originally Adrian / Triode) has formed the mainstay of my whole
> familiy's Squeezebox listening over many years - so a massive thanks for
> all that you've done here. Thank goodness the Sounds plugin is filling
> the gap, at least pending any more unwelcome changes at the BBC end.
> l

expectingtofly wrote: 
> I hope it's not the end of the iPlayer plugin.  It really is/was a model
> in how to provide rich functionality simply and directly, which i too
> have used for many years.The Sounds  plugin was never meant to
> replace it, it was created to follow the BBC Sounds provision model, for
> those that wanted to sign in and follow it (which I personally find
> useful) .  But I suppose inevitably,  it may end up the only way to
> access the on demand content. 
> Of course in many ways the iplayer plugin will live on, especially bpa's
> work on the audio decoding that is the basis for dash/aac decoding in
> the  Youtube and BBC sounds plugins.  That's the wonder of open source.

I'll keep supporting BBCiPlayer & Extra as long as it is feasible but it
is dependent on BBC.  It is always good to have a backup.

BBC Sounds is another natural evolutionary iteration of BBC on LMS.  
AlienBBC had screenscraping & RealAudio which was then replaceed by
FlashAudio and a BBC "Listen Again" feed. 
Then BBCiPlayer with the same feeds but moved to HLS, Flash and MP3 and
then to DASH. I took on maintenance of BBCiPlayer mainly for selfish
reasons - I used it.

"Listen Again" feed is now creaking and BBC have wanted to retire it for
ages. BBC retired the other APIs BBCiPlayerExtra used hoping Nitro would
work but I think tech overtook Nitro.  RMS evolved and now seems stable
and why I think it is a solid basis.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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Nojelc wrote: 
> Edit : I had no idea that there was a Sounds App for LMS. Just installed
> it and it is working fine. Thanks for the tip. So pleased my ancient SB
> set up is back in full action again.

The BBC Sounds App is only a few months old and functionality has been
added quickly and following user suggestions. So if you have ideas, post
on the BBC Sounds thread.
It makes use of an API which gives access to programs and schedules, so
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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Paul Webster wrote: 
> BBC told radio aggregators about it towards the end of 2019 - I have not
> seen it discussed on BBC web site.
> There was also to be a new hostname - which I guess they did so that it
> is easy to produce the error message now being seen.

There were a few users of the old feed.  Either they will have migrated
or they are now broken.  If they are broken they'll provide pressure on
BBC.

BBC have been trying to retire the old "Listen Again" feed for a long
time as it requires 3rd party maintenance.
Until the BBC Sounds API became accessible to non UK users last Sept,
there was no viable alternative.  

There are API keys on the interface used by the various BBC Sounds
applications.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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Paul Webster wrote: 
> I think BBC have now put an API key requirement in place.
> This was due to happen by March 2020 but I assume that COVID made them
> change their timescales ... and now they have decided to put it in place
> before Christmas IT lockdown (educated guess on my part).
An API key on the "old " feed ?  Where is this mentioned ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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OK it look like BBC have deliberately or accidentally killed off the
"Listen again" feeds in total.

Either way I can do nothing.

If it is accidental, it may be back in a few days.

If it is deliberate, it may be tied into the fact the BBC Sounds became
universally available to non UK users Since mid Sept and BBC wants to
retire the "old" feeds and "migrate" users to use BBC Sounds.

The BBC Sounds plugin is available for LMS and just requires
registration on BBC Sounds website.

BBCiPlayerExtra A-Z and Genres does not use the "old" feeds and may
still work.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again Lost

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At a guess your OS does not have up to date SSL libraries.

1. What is the version of IO::Socket::SSL - see WebUI /
Settings/information
2. What OS do you have and what version ?

Usually you need at least version 2.06 for IO::Socket::SSL and at least
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Unable to downgrade to 7.9.3

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garnet1 wrote: 
> Many thanks BPA - incidentally the problem accessing plugin repositories
> is the reason I ended up on 8.0.0!!  Was trying to go back full circle
> and fall back into what i hoped would be the safe hands of 7.9.3.
> 
> I will try to manually install the plugin as per your instructions - I'm
> assuming I can access the folders and alter the xml through samba -
> hopefully all should turn out well .
> 
> Really appreciate you taking the time helping me out.

With PCP - the initial issue might be no "plugins" directory.  LMS WebUI
Settings/Information gives a list of the directories which it search for
plugins - it should guide you in the PCP setup.

When you edit any file remotely - make sure you use an editor that you
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Unable to downgrade to 7.9.3

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garnet1 wrote: 
> To be able to use trackstat and the dynamic playlist plugins from erland
> as this is a huge part the way I select music to listen to (ratings
> coming from itunes).   LMS and picoreplayer had been working beautifully
> and how I wanted them to using lms 7.9.3.
> 
> Unfortunately not available on 8.0.0.  There are threads suggesting the
> plugins either do work or don't work / survive an LMS restart using v
> 8.0.0.

The plugin can be installed and it can remain between restarts.

The following thread has Erland comments and I think more definitive and
has a discussion about LMS' own Ratings capabilities.
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113311-Is-the-TrackStat-plugin-still-working-with-LMS-8-x

Trackstat is no longer supported by Erland.  
It only has a version no for LMS 7.* so will not appear in 8.0
repository but you can manually download from Erland site, manually
install the plugin & then update its install.xml file to run in 8.0) in
the "Plugins" directory  and so will remain after restart - make you do
not install in the "Plugin" (no last s) or the InstalledPlugins/Plugins
directory under Cache 

Because of limited https support, LMS 7.9.3 will have problem accessing
plugin repositories and so you have other problems if you stay with
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Unable to downgrade to 7.9.3

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Why do you want to downgrade ?  You'll probably have problem with https.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite problems playing WMA lossless on Raspberry Pi

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sirroma wrote: 
> Thanks all. Latest version from Sourceforge, seems to solved the
> problem. I naively assumed that i would get the latest version with a
> package install.

Depends who builds the package - it seem the squeezelite one is not
really being maintained and a number of users have similar issues as
yourself - latest OS release but old squeezelite.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite problems playing WMA lossless on Raspberry Pi

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sirroma wrote: 
> I will try your suggestions and revert...
I'm not sure if the squeezelite build includes wma decoders. 

If it doesn't then normally a Windows based LMS can transcode WMAL for
the player.  You can force LMS to transcode by disabling native "WMA
Lossless" in WebUI Settings/Filetypes

However, for a Windows based LMS to transcode it need the necessary
audio decode DLLs, I don't know whether Windows Server includes the
audio subsystem of Windows "Desktop".



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite problems playing WMA lossless on Raspberry Pi

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First get an up to date version of squeezelite 1.8 is very old and lots
of bugs have been fixed
Up to date Squeezelite clients from here 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/squeezelite/linux/

There are few possibilities - choose the one for your system
I think Pi 1 is armel. It looks like there is no choice for Pulseaudio
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] LmsUpdate and LmsRepack - Synology 8.0.* packages

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rbaikin wrote: 
> I hope this is the correct thread.
> I have had Logitech devices for 8 years and using Touch for five years
> and very happy with quality esp with enhanced digital output.  Upgraded
> to LMS 8.0 and the Touch will now not stream Tidal.  Have rebooted
> device and reloaded Tidal in case authentication problems.  I can stream
> radio on the Touch but no Tidal and have worked on it for many hours.
> Any help would be most appreciated, but I am no computer expert!
> Thanks!

You need to provide more details on yoru LMS systems. What platforms /
OS ?  Many station now require https and this requires up to date OS
support as well as LMS 8.0.* very latest build (e.g. 1 month ago is not
good enough for Tidal).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Is the TrackStat plugin still working with LMS 8.x?

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This post indicates that Erland plugins are not shown as available for
8.0 (i.e. not in  the 8.0 repository of plugins) but can be manually
installed if downloaded direct from Erland site.
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?112640-Trackstat-not-available-in-LMS-8-0&p=984487&viewfull=1#post984487



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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Shozzer wrote: 
> Thank you. If you look at the BBC iPlayer Extras plugin you will see
> what I mean, although your plugin helpfully offers the sub-categories
> which Extras doesn't.
Eztras uses an old BBC interface A-Z which delivers with all iPlayer
programs but it filters out TV ones.  BBC have said many times it will
be removed. A while back I looked in the RMS API as I thought the info
was derived using RMS couldn't see how. Maybe it is different now.

I think Extra categories are take from the same source but they have to
be added manually. I just added the top ones and the ones requested -
some users don't like big menus.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty broken: can't Add Account

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ryckman wrote: 
> I notice that in that one you suggest that LSM 7.7 is too old, although
> it has been running successfully for many months for me.

Apologies I don't know the difference between spotty helper and new
Spotty plugin but many users have experienced sudden odd problems
because some internet services changeover from http to https overnight
without warning.  LMS 7.7.* cannot handle modern TLS https services and
so you will get problems for example accessing LMS plugin repositories.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] LSM Spotty Add Account not working

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ryckman wrote: 
> Setting>Information shows me: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.6 -
> 1452060463 @ Thu Jan 21 02:17:04 UTC 2016

Too old . You need 8.0.0 for spotify.  Spotify have changed their
services and so require https support which is not in LMS 7.7



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A really dumb first-time podcast user question

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PasTim wrote: 
> I'm not using other streaming services.  The point I'm making is that if
> logged on the Beeb know what you play from the Beeb, regardless of
> cookies, don't they, and then 'offer' other programmes?
Unfortunately personalisation is the way to get the "mobile" users on
board - screen are too small to show everything (and BBC have literally
millions of programs available to play)
BBC being Govt funded need to show the public is using their service.
I agree with your point of view but in some instances no choice has been
offered so I reserve some email addresses to register for such services.
I generally turn off/disable all personalisation and "offering" aspects
of a service.

The good thing about LMS - you have choice. BBCiPLayer, BBCiPlayerExtra
or using the Podcast feed raw options are still available to you with no
tracking.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A really dumb first-time podcast user question

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PasTim wrote: 
> I guess so.  Even so, the idea that the Beeb will track what I listen to
> and offer me things that it thinks I might like is unattractive, to put
> it mildly.  :)

You can use a special BBC only email address to register and that will
limit.

However it is likely you are being more aggressively tracked by any
streaming service you might be using.  IIRC BBC just wants an email
address and age. - they're mainly after demographics & usage to get more
money from Govt.  You can only take so many precautions. Didn't the NHS
sell "anonymised" DNA data ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezebox-web - a web based player

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SeanBurlington wrote: 
> Sounds interesting that you got this far.
> 
> I think it may need a proxy service rather than be a plugin - I mean
> maybe websockets could be added to LMS - but I don't want to learn that
> much Perl.
> 
> I was playing around with websockets and have a small server that
> proxies the TCP connection from LMS to the web via a websocket
> 
> I've only used it to play with sending RPC commands back and forth it
> seems to work 

The design decision to use Websockets in LMS so that whole system could
be done in Perl and packaged as a plugin (the JS would be in a webpage
hosted by LMS) .  This could be installed easily and would work on any
LMS installation not matter which OS. A proxy means various builds have
to be maintained (e.g. Windows, MacOS, Linux/Arm Linux/x86 etc) 


> However - my app doesn't stream at all and so doesn't work with
> streaming services
You don't know where this will end up so I am suggesting be aware.

> oh - and youtube downloader is back 

I know but the very fact that somebody litigated means you may need to
be careful both for yourself and the LMS community. Large companies
don't mind spending money on a losing case making life miserable for an
individual for a few years - if it deters others.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezebox-web - a web based player

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SeanBurlington wrote: 
> Yep - and I'm curious if this might be possible but for now the mp3
> approach does what I want 
A couple of years ago, I worked up a prototype of a Slimproto in JS and
using HTML AudioWorkers (??) .
Main problem is that for client to work with LMS it needs a full duplex
TCP connection - I tried with WebSockets but LMS AnyEvent is too old.
There are also problems with AudioWorkers.

To have a Slimproto solution, you need to have a full duplex connection
with LMS. - not HTTP.

> It is possible to store significant amounts of data in places like
> indexdb
> 
> Not the whole of a collection - but enough to be usefu

Be careful. LMS is tolerated by streaming services with plugins is
because it does not offer a way to save streamed audio offline.  Saving
audio may infringe rights and so incur litigation.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A really dumb first-time podcast user question

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PasTim wrote: 
> Are you sure? ;)

With BBC Sounds plugin - only activity through the plugin (and by
implication BBC API) will be logged.

If you use a browser or app with BBC Sounds or via Radioplayer or
podcasts via a 3rd party podcast player - there are loads of other
cookies being stored so in theory the LMS plugin should have minimal
tracking.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A really dumb first-time podcast user question

[bpa]

PasTim wrote: 
> My understanding was that the files iplayerExtra plays disappear quite
> quickly (after 3 or 4 weeks at most) whereas podcasts don't.  Is that
> not true?
No.
BBCiPlayer has programs that only last 7 days.

BBCiPlayerExtra accesses *all* the programs BBC has on their website. 
Some programs are only kept for 30 days, some for much longer - There
are Desert Island disks from decades ago and many series of some
programs (e.g. Old Harry's Game) and a few weeks worht of Book of the
Week and Book at Bedtime.

Many podcasts are "programs" that were not broadcast (although some are
broadscasts) - they may be long in duration which is why a podcast
player which can remember position is useful



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A really dumb first-time podcast user question

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mrw wrote: 
> If you paste the following URL into the settings page you will have
> access to a hierarchical list of BBC Podcasts: -
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts.opml-

This is what BBCiPlayerExtra uses.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A really dumb first-time podcast user question

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PasTim wrote: 
> I have never, ever, played a podcast from anywhere.   I can see that I
> can download stuff from the BBC website, but what I thought I should be
> able to do was see a list of stuff in LMS and select and play from
> there.
> 
> I have the podcast plugin and settings page, but no idea what to put in
> it for a set of BBC programmes.
> 
> I've searched, but everything I've found so far assumes basic knowledge
> that I simply don't have.  Can someone give me a clue?

Podcasts are just like "Listen Again" programs.

If you BBC specific stuff you can find them either with BBC iPlayerExtra
plugin or the BBC Sounds plugin (you need to register with BBC Sounds
web site).  BBC Sounds will probably be better as it can remember where
you stopped.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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ianf wrote: 
> I’m having the same problem, so of the Sounds content doesn’t play, I’m
> using Squeezebox Classic and LMS on pi, particularly latest content
Just to confirm AAC transcoding is working.
Can you play http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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anotherbob wrote: 
> I have installed BBC Sounds Plugin and it's fine. Thanks to the
> developer and all the people here who enable LMS to continue providing
> my home audio source.
> Can I ask why the BBC Sounds plugin appears in the MY APPS menu in
> SQUEEZER, whereas the BBC iPLAYER plugin appears in the RADIO menu?

BBCiPlayer has an option to display in Radio or My Apps. Default for
BBCiPlayer is Radio.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work

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rbl wrote: 
> I found the "M" thanks - never noticed it before.

Standard LMS feature used by all sorts of plugins.

> Using Squeezer on Android which is a bit easier, skip back still doesn't
> seem to go back more than once (nor on IE). Frankly I am not quite sure
> what it does after the first skip back. However the "Skip back to start"
> does work as expected!  
> I have now set skip back/forwards to 2 / 1 mins respectively. If I go to
> the beginning of the program, then skipping forwards seems to jump
> either 2 or 3 mins (rarely 1 minute as expected), but at least it does
> work. Skipping back seems a bit random, not sure what it is doing or
> even that the time delay indicator is correct. Sometimes it seems to
> skip back as expected, sometimes it seems to actually go skip forwards!

1 min skip back is not worthwhile doing - the plugin thinks less than 1
mins is just a delay by BBC.  This was done because timestamp of audio
packet being played can be delayed by BBC.

Change skip back to say 5 mins and then skip forward to 30 secs or 1
min.  It is easier to overshoot backward and then edge up forwards.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work

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rbl wrote: 
> So is there a way to get the "context menu" on my Windows IE browser
> that I use to control LMS on my PC? Right clicking just brings up IE's
> context menu. Or am I a bit out of date using IE!?
On Classical GUI It is the M menu on the Right Hand pane beside the
playing item
On material - click triple dots on RHS and then choose More 

> I can get Skip back to work on Squeezer on my Android devices, although
> it seems it will only skip back once. So as I currently have the skip
> back time set to 1 minute, I can go a maximum of 1 minute back. Is that
> right?
It should skip more than once.
On "Live " you can skip back usually up to about  3 hours.  Most typical
use is to "skip back to start of program" - which for a Radio 3 concert
can be about 3 hours.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work

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rbl wrote: 
> On listen again, clicking on the progress bar works as expected, but <<
> and >> is similar to the above.

On Listen Again. >> & << work OK on players as they require a long
press. Short press is skip to next/previous item in playlist.  AFAIK
There is no way to do a long press >> or << on Web UI.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work

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rbl wrote: 
> I'm running iPlayer 1.6.9 on a Raspberry Pi4 running LMS 7.9.2 -
> 1578996832.
> 
> If, listening to say BBC Radio 4 live, I press << it just goes back
> about 1 second, and >> goes forward about 1 second (I think) ..

>> & << arenot used for ffwd / rew live streams.

Skip forwrad & back of a live stream is only supported for DASH.
After I had implemented ffw & rew of a live stream, I trialled had a
version of the plugin which used >> & << to do the action. 
However user feedback was that it was confusing as >> & << buttons were
used for other LMS function which couldn't be reconciled - so skip
forward & back was put back into context menu.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] ANNOUNCE: RadioNet plugin to enable playing stream from the radio.net service

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The plugin sends the search string direct to radio,net web site

so 
https://www.radio.net/search?q=beylgjan

If you plug this into your web browser - it says 3 search results - yet
only display one station (even trying different countries like de or se)
.  This looks like a fault or deliberate by radio.net



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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acanning wrote: 
> My Pi4 server runs LMS via pCP 6.1.0 with the following info…
> 
> Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.4 - 1603273368 @ Thu Oct 22 04:21:56
> CEST 2020
> Hostname: piCoreLMS64
> Server IP Address: 192.168.0.16
> Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
> Operating system: piCore - EN - utf8
> Platform Architecture: armv7l-linux
> Perl Version: 5.28.0 - arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int
> Audio::Scan: 1.02
> IO::Socket::SSL: Nothing
> Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0)
> Total Players Recognized: 12
> 
> I use a variety of players and have Material Skin as my default option.
> I don’t understand the significance but I see that I have nothing
> against IO::Socket::SSL which doesn’t look right? If I putty into my PI4
> and enter the command  ‘openssl version’ it reports OpenSSL 1.1.0l  10
> Sep 2019 but that isn’t showing in LMS.
You have a problem with your PCP install.  IO::Socket::SSL is missing. 
IO::Socket::SSL is need for https support.  This will affect lots of
internet services (not just track info for BBCiPlayer) including LMS
respository. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] CBC Plugin?

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Via LMS Tune-in App - looking at URLs by location for Canada.  The
http/MP3 CBC URL play OK

such as CBC Radio ONe Ottawa
http://cbcmp3.ic.llnwd.net/stream/cbcmp3_cbc_r1_ott

MP3 stream are 128kbps. HLS are 96kbps AAC.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] CBC Plugin?

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Below is JSON fragment from web page for the streams. An OPML can be
created from this.

Code:


  "streams":[
  {
  "id":13,
  "title":"Calgary",
  "province":"Alberta",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_CGY@372026/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":51.05,
  "longitude":-114.05,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_CGY",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"calgary",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=calgary&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":14,
  "title":"Winnipeg",
  "province":"Manitoba",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_WPG@384111/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":49.88,
  "longitude":-97.17,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_WPG",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"winnipeg",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=winnipeg&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":15,
  "title":"Thunder Bay",
  "province":"Ontario",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_TBA@366707/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":48.4,
  "longitude":-89.23,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_TBA",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"thunderbay",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=thunderbay&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":16,
  "title":"Quebec City",
  "province":"Quebec",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_QQU@366526/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":46.81227911643,
  "longitude":-71.21453762054,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_QQU",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"quebec_city",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=quebec_city&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":17,
  "title":"North Quebec",
  "province":"Quebec",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_ECB@317295/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":45.512045,
  "longitude":-73.577174,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_N_M",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"nord_quebec",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=nord_quebec&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":28,
  "title":"Moncton",
  "province":"New Brunswick",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_MCT@360345/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":46.08,
  "longitude":-64.77,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_MCT",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"moncton",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=moncton&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":40,
  "title":"Corner Brook",
  "province":"Newfoundland And Labrador",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_COR@353666/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":48.95,
  "longitude":-57.967,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_COR",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"corner_brook",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=corner_brook&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":26,
  "title":"Sydney",
  "province":"Nova Scotia",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_SYD@51412/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":46.150135592,
  "longitude":-60.181751924,
  "callSign":"CBC_R1_SYD",
  "programGuideLocationKey":"cape_breton",
  "programGuideNetworkKey":"cbc_radio_one",
  
"adURL":"https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?sz=4x4|320x240&ciu_szs=300x250&impl=s&gdfp_req=1&env=vp&output=vast&unviewed_position_start=1&description_url=https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio?radio_one=cape_breton&ad_rule=1&iu=5876/listen/live-radio";
  },
  {
  "id":27,
  "title":"St. John's",
  "province":"Newfoundland And Labrador",
  
"streamURL":"https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_SNF@28674/master.m3u8";,
  "latitude":47.55,
  "longitude":-5

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] CBC Plugin?

[bpa]

>From the CBC FAQ
> If you are outside Canada, you can still connect with the national
> public broadcaster on different platforms.
> 
> You can stream CBC Radio One and CBC Music live at cbc.ca/listen. You
> can also stream on demand clips from favourite CBC Radio One programs
> and look up playlogs of CBC Music shows on this site.

But I cannot play anything from this this site - however all the URLS
the try to play in their own web player are m3u8 ones. Such as below for
Toronto.   

https://cbcliveradio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CBCR1_TOR@118420/master.m3u8

However it plays OK on LMS with PlayHLS.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] CBC Plugin?

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Paul Webster wrote: 
> I tried with the radio.net plugin and search did find stations and the
> first I tried did work.

Be careful, some of the CBC Radio Two stations seems to be are HLS



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
>  I don't think the Iplayer protocol handler sets that, enabling the
> transcoding selection to be be more forgiving.
Quite likely, just surprised the "error" has not turned up before -
although as most players support 48kHz, I think the only player where it
should have shown up would be a SliMP3.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

[bpa]

AngloCuencano wrote: 
> > bpa wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Why? Ignorance! I just wanted to limit the bandwidth used for streaming.
> > House construction in Ecuador is 'unusual', the interior walls are
> > mostly brick and concrete, and I often got stuttering if a hi-res file
> > was being streamed, so downsampling to this player seemed like the
> > solution.
> > 
> > I tried your suggested config, and that now allows Sounds to play, so
> > thanks once again.> > 
> 
> Solid internal walls is common construction in Ireland, UK & Europe as
> well especially in older buildings.  So "poor" wifi is not unusual.
> 
> BBC "Listen Again" programs (DASH format)  for UK are in 4 bitrates
> and non UK in 2 bitrates (48kbps & 96kbps) and so BBCiPlayer plugin
> has option to use high or low bitrate which is a way to handle "poor"
> wifi.  Sounds is new and that option may appear later.
> 
> Still can't figure out root cause of Sounds vs iPlayer difference. I'm
> considering that iPlayer should not have played the stream either on a
> 44.1kHz only player but somewhow it did.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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AngloCuencano wrote: 
> I had an upsampling setting in the PicorePlayer config (-r 44100 -R X)
> that seems to have been the problem. Now that I have removed that, the
> Sounds stream plays fine. The odd thing to me is that this setting
> didn't interfere with the iPlayer stream./QUOTE]
> 
> That is curious but now the problem is known, it can be replicated which
> I did. 
> 
> Why did you restrict Squeezelite to 44.1kHz - why not use "-r
> 44100,48000 -R X"
> 
> The problems is aac -flc conversion rules does not have a "D" capabillty
> - which is downsampling - your player setting said it can only accept
> 44.1khz
> 
> I'm the sure iPlayer vs Sounds issues can now be rtracked.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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AngloCuencano wrote: 
> I'm also non-UK. I've tried several programs, but have not found any
> that I can play. I started with this one:
> 
> BBC Sounds > Music Mixes > Music to Chill to > All Day Chill Mix
> 
> This is the player info: piCorePlayer v6.1.0 | www v0009 | linux
> 4.19.122-pcpCore | piCore v10.3pCP | Squeezelite v1.9.6-1206-pCP

pcp show play AAC native.  How is the player setup seems to be the
isseu.  BBC streams are "unusual" in they are 48Khz - most internet
stream are 44.12Khz.

What audio output / DAC is being used on squeezelite player ?
What is the squeezelite command line (i.e player device  sysdeault,
hw:0,0 , plughw:CARD-X,DEV=Y) and any option (e.g. no AAC, no
resampling)  

The program (same sounds:// IRL) plays OK for me on a SB receiver which
is cannot play AAC natively - so it show transcoding is working..   This
confirm problem is related to player setup.

Code:


  [20-11-07 14:43:35.8332] Slim::Player::StreamingController::resetSongqueue 
(1796) Song queue is now 
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4840] Slim::Player::StreamingController::stop (2117) 
00:04:20:16:07:0e
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4841] Slim::Player::StreamingController::resetSongqueue 
(1796) Song queue is now 
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4848] Slim::Player::StreamingController::play (2120) 
00:04:20:16:07:0e
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4851] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2377) new playing state STOPPED
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4852] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state IDLE
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4855] Slim::Player::Song::new (108) index 0 -> 
sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4857] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state TRACKWAIT
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4870] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_playersMessage 
(796) Getting stream info...: sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.4873] Slim::Player::Song::getNextSong (230) 
sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7931] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_nextTrackReady 
(744) 00:04:20:16:07:0e: nextTrack will be index 0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7934] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1210) 
Song queue is now 0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7936] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1213) 
00:04:20:16:07:0e: preparing to stream song index 0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7937] Slim::Player::Song::open (367) 
sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7941] Slim::Player::Song::open (391) seek=false time=0 
canSeek=1
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7945] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand2 
(470) Matched: aac->flc via: [faad] -q -w -f 1 $FILE$ | [flac] -cs 
--totally-silent --compression-level-0 --ignore-chunk-sizes -
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7946] Slim::Player::Song::open (412) Transcoder: 
streamMode=I, streamformat=flc
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7947] Slim::Player::Song::open (468) Opening stream (no 
direct streaming) using Plugins::BBCSounds::ProtocolHandler 
[sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0]
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7950] Slim::Player::Song::open (489) URL is a song 
(audio): sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0, type=aac
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7952] 
Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::tokenizeConvertCommand2 (641) Using command 
for conversion: 
"/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad" -q -w -f 1 - | 
"/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Bin/x86_64-linux/flac" -cs 
--totally-silent --compression-level-0 --ignore-chunk-sizes -
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.7954] Slim::Player::Song::open (565) Tokenized command: 
"/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad" -q -w -f 1 - | 
"/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Bin/x86_64-linux/flac" -cs 
--totally-silent --compression-level-0 --ignore-chunk-sizes -
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.8032] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1282) 
00:04:20:16:07:0e: stream
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.8062] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1319) 
Song queue is now 0
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.8065] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2377) new playing state BUFFERING
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.8066] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state STREAMING
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.9310] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1144) Buffering... 
0 / 261120
  [20-11-07 14:52:50.9312] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1145)   +output... 
3492480 / 1764000
  




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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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AngloCuencano wrote: 
> Here's the log showing attempts to play two different streams.

A log with DEBUG  might provide a little more info, but I think trying
to replicate issue would be best.

I don't know the internal of Sounds - just that Sounds and iPlayer try
to play the same programs from the BBC (I think ultimately using the
same URL)

To help Sounds developer and possibly try to replicate the issue (I am
non-UK - it may be a UK vs non UK issue)

(i) what program are you trying to play - and how did you find it.
(ii) what is the player - include version if a soft player (e.g.
squeezelite, softsqueeze) or bridge.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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AngloCuencano wrote: 
> After enabling the logging, this is what I get:
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6262] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream 
(1213) 74:da:38:8f:7d:7e: preparing to stream song index 0
  > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6269] Slim::Player::Song::open (367) 
sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0
  > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6281] Slim::Player::Song::open (391) seek=false time=0 
canSeek=1
  > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6298] 
Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand2 (467) Error: Didn't find 
any command matches for type: aac
  > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6305] Slim::Player::Song::open (413) Error: Couldn't 
create command line for aac playback for [sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0]
  > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6312] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_playersMessage 
(796) Unsupported sample-rate: sounds://_p08wnvkp_p08wnvfr_0
  > [20-11-07 08:49:09.6322] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_willRetry 
(1408) no retry data

> > 
> 
> "Error: Didn't find any command matches for type: aac" and
> "Unsupported sample rate" are what stand out to me.

All the BBC sound stream are 48kHz - so they all have the same sample
rate. Most Sounds programs play OK.   So perhaps problem could be in one
place sample rate has been supplied by Sounds - however a full log will
help.

Please copy log in full from request to play to  about 10 secs after
failure.  Sometimes is the message that are not present than show the
problem and also order of message logged are not necessarily how they
are executed.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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AngloCuencano wrote: 
> You are correct that this is a player problem. I was trying to play
> Sounds on a PicorePlayer running on a Pi Zero. This morning I tried
> playing on an SB Touch, and that worked fine.
> 
> The AAC settings look mostly like yours, but I notice that the (I, F) is
> often transposed in mine. Don't know what that means.
> 
> 32095
> 
> I can play streams from BBC iPlayer on the Picoreplayer.
> 
> The iPlayer stream looks like this: 96kbps VBR, AAC
> The Sounds stream looks like this: 96kbps CBR, 48KHz, aac@48000Hz
> 
> So it looks like the Picoreplayer will play AAC, just not the version
> offered by Sounds.

iPlayer and Sounds sends the same AAC stream - so CBR vs VBR is not
significant as it is eye-candy and not relevant.

That said, there is some other difference - not clear what.  Enable
player.source logging to INFO and try to play a program to show why LMS
can't handle the Sounds stream.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

Scottishlad wrote: 
> Thanks folks. 
> 
> It was a typo I am running iPlayer 1.6.10.
> 
> If Sounds does not run live stream that is fine I can stop chasing my
> tail trying to fix it. This might have already been said further up the
> thread but it was too long to read every post.
> 
> I suppose I can use the Sounds app to check the schedule then play it in
> iPlayer.
> 
> iPlayer and iPlayer Extras working fine.

Latest version of Sounds has its own playback capability now.  It is
progressing fast. I'm sure the issue will be addressed but give the
developer time.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> There are instructions on the first page of the Iplayer thread here :
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109826-BBCiPlayer-V1-6-(and-higher)-amp-BBCiPlayerExtra-2-0-(and-higher)-Support&p=927408&viewfull=1#post927408

Can you put a note on BBC Sounds plugin repo description after "..search
of all bbc audio content"  to include "need BBCiPlayer 1.6 or higher"



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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Operajulian wrote: 
> Gosh I would love this to work. I have registered with BBC Sounds on a
> different computer and have some subscribed programmes. I can "see" them
> in the BBC Sounds plug in on LMS and get the BBC programme image etc but
> no sound. It just does not play past 0:00 time. Frustratingly close.
> I do have BBC I player plug in set up and with transcoding etc.
> It would such listening fun to get this working. Cheers for everyone's
> input.
> Julian

Can you play any programs from the BBCiPlayer menu ?  You must be able
to play program from the "listen Again" menus before BBC Sounds plugin
will work.
Have you got the latest BBCiPlayer V1.6.* from this repository 
http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml ?
If you have 1.6.* - make sure the format preferences are  "DASH > HLS >
MP3 > FlashAAC"



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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florca wrote: 
> but I wonder whether this fully "signed-in" BBC access might reduce the
> potential incentive for the BBC to squash apps like the LMS BBC iPlayer,
> or restrict them to low-bandwidth content?

No. Copyright & money will always be there to try to lock users into a
BBC app.

Being paranoid, Sounds and mobile app with sign-in could try to displace
web based player as http & Browsers based applications evolve.  This
would make plugins dependent on the new API.  This could then be
followed by locking the API by the required use of the API key (this was
the case until recently).  For non UK users, it will then end up having
ads (DASH is designed to support inserted ads unlike HTTP/MP3) and/or
paid services.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> That sounds perfect, thanks.   Apologies for my ignorance,  I can't see
> where I submit a request for somebody to update the "include.json".  Is
> there a forum thread, or do I just ask here?
Using github and automating the repo update is quite new so the
associated processes are being developed.  I haven;t followed recent
possts but my understandign is (i) there is a regular update and (ii) a
forced update by done by a few authorised individuals. 

> I have to agree with you.  Although, in my day job where there is a team
> of developers and testers and hundreds of automatic tests and an
> automatic release pipeline I feel a lot more comfortable with the whole
> "fail fast, release often" concept ;)
> Not so comfortable with my little one man plugin :-)   
> I'm a bit cautious (probably unnecessarily) , as I'm new to LMS
> development.

I am more cautious with BBCiPlayer updates as it is a player and there
is a difference between UK and non UK functionality and I can only test
non-UK and some features are player sensitive (e.g. old SB , Jive,
bridge) .  Also if I make a change, I have make sure I have subsequent
free time to make sure I can cope with posts and necessary fixes.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> Yes, I realise that, but I thought I read earlier in this thread that
> there is an older version of the Iplayer plugin in the official repos
> and that your version isn't in the community repo's, thus creating
> confusion?

Possibly but we can deal with it and hopefully soon Triode plugin will
be a non-issue. 
The log entry would at least point user in the right direction - you can
add BBCiPlayer required min version in log entry.
You could even add a note to your Sounds plugin requirement  that
"BBCiPlayer plugin must be installed and able to play 'Listen Again' " .
but there is a limit to hand holding.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> Yes, sure.  Is there a submission process I need to follow to do that? 
> 
> 
> (Also, I guess there is a dependency on the bpa's version of the BBC
> Iplayer plugin also being in the 3rd party repos  )

The community repository doesn't validate anything or check xml - it
just means users do not have to add the personal repo url to LMS plugins
tab.

1. To add - all you need to is ask. 
2. The location of the BBCiPlayer repo should be irrelevant to your
repo.  Users just needs to know that BBCiPlayer plugin myustr be
installed.  If you want to be helpful to end users, you could include a
check in BBC Sounds plugin to see if BBCiPlayer plugin is installed
(e.g.  check if iplayer is amongst registered handlers)  and if not make
a log entry saying "cant find BBCiPlayer plugin".



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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slartibartfast wrote: 
> I am surprised the Triode version still works for anyone 

I think just the HLS & MP3 live streams still work. IIRC There are still
LMS Windows XP users !



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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kjetinho wrote: 
> Yes. That's what I meant. The "Listen live" don't work. The "Listen live
> (Non UK)" works. I only tried the "Listen live" because I thought it had
> higher bitrates.

"Listen Live " does have higher bit rates but they are reserved for UK
only and offered on a separate different URL to non UK live streams. 

On -demand programs for UK also have higher bitrates but they are
accessed through the same URL for both UK & non UK.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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slartibartfast wrote: 
> Is now the time to remove the obsolete Triode version of BBCiPlayer as
> the default version served up by the repository?

Probably.  There are still a few "active" users (if it ain't broke don't
fix it)  but with https now also an issue - many users have finally
accepted that they have to upgrade their OS, LMS and plugins. 
BBCiPLayer 1.6.* required a mid 7.9.1 release.

Just need to catchup with the new LMS community plugin repository
process.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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kjetinho wrote: 
> Thanks a lot for the help. It seems to work now. The only thing so far
> is the "Listen live" don't work, but I suppose it isn't supposed to work
> outside the UK. I've set the preference to
> HLS>DASH>MP3>FlashAAC>FlashMP3. Is that correct?

Listen Live works outside UK for all formats DASH, HLS  and MP3.  There
is also choice for both Limelight and Akamai CDNs - which also work.

1. Make sure you are using the "Listen Live (non UK)" streams.
2. Not using a VPN



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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slartibartfast wrote: 
> I would leave DASH as the first choice. Isn't that the default?

Not if user upgraded the plugin from a non DASH version such as as
Triode's original 1.3  or my 1.4).  It is standard LMS practice not to
change user preferences as part of an upgrade.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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kjetinho wrote: 
> Thanks for all replys. Here are some details. I use the latest version
> of LMS, updated windows10. I live in Norway. 
> 
> I have installed BBC iplayer. On BBC Iplayer the menus are there. The
> "listen live (Non UK)" works. When I push play, on the "listen live" it
> seems to star ing grafic, but no sound and stops after a few seconds.
> When I try to go to a channel, like BBC radio 1 I get the message: There
> was an error loading the remote feed for : (404 Not Found). It's the
> same for all channels. 

Hard Information is needed.

What are versions of LMS & BBCiayer plugin  - what is  "latest" some
users used to think 7.7 is "Latest" as it is last Logitech version.

What are your BBCiPlayer Settings.   BBC "On demand " contents is DASH -
so you need to have DASH as a preference.

What is your player ?  If itis a old Sb player - then you must make sure
"transcoding is enabled"


> On BBC sounds it seems like the menus work, but nothing will play. 
No point dealing with BBC Sounds until a workgin BBCiPlayer both live
andon demand is working.

Your problem "feels" like a BBCiPlayer one not a BBC Sounds one.

> Do I need a lame decoder to make it play?

No - all BBC contents is AAC.  Only the BBC MP3 menus are MP3 and player
willplay natively.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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Paul Webster wrote: 
> Could there be a way to get the Bookmark/Subscribe as menu items when
> BBCiPlayer plugin is playing stuff (even if not instigated by BBC Sounds
> plugin)?
> That way it would make it possible to tag programmes while listening to
> live radio.


My initial thoughts.
This could be done via  the "More" context menu (e.g. like the Segment
times menu item). 

I haven't looked into BBC Sounds plugin.  The BBCiPlayer plugin would
need an API to "register" a "more" menu item to call a function from BBC
Sounds plugin with some info from BBCiPlayer. BBCiPlayer can only
provide a program pid so I think BBC Sounds has to convert the pid to an
urn as an urn is the "currency" of BBC Sounds (aka the rms API) .



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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When browsing Speech - Comedy - New Quiz all episodes.  Get lots of
message in the log.  It looks like there is some expected field missing.
Also listing of programs with same title is not easy to distinguish
episodes - however you may be  may be 

Code:


  .
  .
  
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9825] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9824] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9826] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9826] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9827] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9827] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9828] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9828] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9829] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9829] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home//repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9830] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9830] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9831] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9831] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home//repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9832] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9832] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9833] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9833] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9834] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9834] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home//repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9835] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9835] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9836] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9836] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  [20-10-24 09:53:30.9837] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1258) Warning: 
[09:53:30.9837] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/mnt/hddrive/home/repos/7.9/latest/trunk/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/BBCSoundsFeeder.pm
 line 645.
  .
  .
  



Associated with following display.
31936

Lastly noticed this in the server log . Plugin startup - there is no
plugin.bbcsounds logging available in Settings/Advanced.

Code:


  [20-10-23 22:21:30.2246] Slim::Utils::Log::setLogLevelForCategory (444) 
Error: Level [WARNING] is invalid for category: [plugin.bbcsounds]
  [20-10-23 22:21:30.2252] Slim::Utils::Log::setLogLevelForCategory (444) 
Backtrace:
  
  frame 0: Slim::Utils::Log::logBacktrace (/usr/share/perl5/Slim/Utils/Log.pm 
line 444)
  frame 1: Slim::Utils::Log::setLogLevelForCategory 
(/usr/share/perl5/Slim/Utils/Log.pm line 391)
  frame 2: Slim::Utils::Log::addLogCategory 
(/var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/Plugin.pm 
line 13)
  frame 3: (eval) ((eval 891) line 1)
  frame 4: Slim::bootstrap::BEGIN 
(/var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/Plugin.pm 
line 0)
  frame 5: (eval) 
(/var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCSounds/Plugin.pm 
line 0)
  frame 6: (eval) (/usr/share/perl5/Slim/bootstrap.pm line 283)
  frame 7: Slim::bootstrap::tryModuleLoad 
(/usr/share/perl5/Slim/Utils/PluginManager.pm line 320)
  frame 8: Slim::Utils::PluginManager::load (/usr/sbin/squeezeboxserver line 
598)
  frame 9: main::init (/usr/sbin/squeezeboxserver line 676)
  

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

[bpa]

kjetinho wrote: 
> I live outside UK, and this plugin does not work for me. I didn't think
> it worked outside the UK. How do you make it work?

Give detail of what does not work ?

No menus ?
Programs don't play ?

Some BBC programs will not play outside the UK.  For example, currently
"Bruce Springsteen : from my home to yours" is UK only.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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slimhase wrote: 
>  as well - do you have that installed?
> 
> Other than that it plays out of the box.
> (You only get low bitrate streams, but that is ok for me)

By low it should be 96kbps and not vlow which is 48kbps.  If you are
getting 48kbps - change the BBCiPlayer Settings.

> One issue I have is that sometimes the stream 'stutters'. Its hard to
> explain; its not real stutter, but is sounds like sometimes just a few
> msecs of audio cut out.
> I did not use iPlayer enough so far to understand, if this is an
> iPlayer- or BBC Sounds-Plugin problem.

Sounds does not "play" programmes - it just finds them.  So stuttering
could be BBCiPlayer. Lots of reason but if non UK then network can be a
problem but some LMS servers can have issues (e.g. old Windows systems)

To chase stuttering problem down.
* Confirm stuttering also happens when choosing same program from
BBCiPlayer. 
* Details of LMS setup, version and BBCiPlayer settings.
* Give details of problems programs so it can be tested elsewhere.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

tw99 wrote: 
> I'm finding that when I listen to an archive programme (i.e. not live
> radio) via the iPlayer plugin, that the player doesn't remember the
> point I've listened up to if the session gets interrupted and resumed.
> For example if I'm listening on a PC and it goes into sleep mode and
> later wakes up.  The iPlayer programme will restart from the beginning
> rather than wherever I'd got up to.  FWIW I'm generally using
> Squeezlite-X in this context, but I've noticed that same thing listening
> via a Touch.
> 
> I'm sure this used to work better than it does, but I suppose I may be
> imagining that...
> 
> Is this expected behaviour ? If not, anything I can do to help debug
> what's happening ?

BBCiPlayer (or its earlier incarnation AlienBBC) has never had any way
to bookmark where "Listening" has stopped.  LMS menu handling (at least
for older SB players)  will "remember" the last program - but the not
position withing the program.

If you are listening to a BBC podcast, then I think position can be
remembered by LMS podcast.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> I'm not using the OPML "parser" in that sense.  I'm using a direct link
> to sub routine with a callback, so hopefully that listen doesn't apply.

OK. Just figured out I've been looking at old prototype code. I followed
the sourceforge link in the repo XML and assumed the file were the
latest. My bad.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Jazz Groove Support

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dmcdayton wrote: 
> How hard is it do a plugin?

Sometime writing a plugin is the easy bit. The service is never static. 
To keep plugin going requires a commitment of time for many years.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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expectingtofly wrote: 
> Yes, I think you are right, although I guess we need to make sure that
> there doesn't end up a smorgasbord of plugins!
It would be great to have a large smorgasbord.
In AlienBBC we tried to have multiple parsers (for different stations
using RealAudio) in same plugin but maintenance & testing proved awkward
with many updates as each station changed at a different rate.

I think having separate plugins for separate "program finding"
functionality will make for more direct menus and easier maintenance.

Since you are using "parser" in opml menus, there is a potential LMS
issues with Favorites if the menu item is playable and a favorite saved
from the menu item. Not sure if issue will show up with your plugin.
Main symptom is: "Touch to Play" the Favorite may not work on
Jiveplay/Touch/Squeezeplay .  This is due to the "onselect => 'play'"
not being retained.  I am working through a LMS fix request.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : BBC Sounds Plugin

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I think this is the right sort of way to extend BBC listening - users of
certain BBC features develop specific plugins to suit their needs using
BBCiPlayer as the playing engine.

The preferred interface to BBCiplayer would be the "iplayer://" URL.  I
presume BBC Sounds plugin eventually plays  "iplayer://aod" type URLs.  
No live streams.

A quick look through the code and I noticed the Sounds plugin has hooked
directly into the BBCiPlayer PlaylistParser routine.  This is an
internal dependence which might break your plugin in the future -
however usually the need to change that sort of BBCiPlayer routine is
because BBC has changed internals and so has already broken BBCiPlayer.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

raglencross wrote: 
> My file order was set to the default value which did not include DASH at
> all.

IIRC that was the original Triode plugin default.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> I just leave mine with DASH as first choice. Does HLS have any benefits?
> 
History Lesson.

The plugin is constantly chasing BBC and so settings which used to be
important may now be less important or even redundant.

When Triode implemented the current iteration of BBCiPlayer the audio
formats were Adobe Flash and Apple HLS. 
Then BBC migrated from Adobe Flash to DASH with the aspiration that DASH
will be the only one required in future. I implemented DASH and retired
Flash.

The Extra plugin uses the URLs from the web player which now only offer
DASH or occasionally MP3 podcast (very rare, maybe never now, sometimes
on very old program they may be in Flash) . This is probably so that BBC
can bundle a JS DASH & MP3 player as part of the their player &
RadioPlayer popout player.

There are NO HLS streams from the Extra plugin - so DASH has to be one
of the options in BBCiPlayer "on-Demand" settings. 

If BBC decides to offer HLS I think plugin will be able to handle it.

The AAC audio in HLS and DASH is exactly the same.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

staresy wrote: 
> Great News thanks for the update, look forward to it when you get the
> time to schedule your schedule menu coding.

By upcoming - do you mean "today" or 7 day ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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staresy wrote: 
> Hi,
> I use the BBCiplayer plugin often, it's very good, especially when used
> via the material skin. One thing that would be useful would be if the
> schedule for up-coming programs could be displayed somehow. What I mean
> by this is currently I can listen live or on catch-up. If I am on
> catch-up the days programming for a particular station up to the present
> time is displayed, but is it possible to display the schedule for the
> rest of the day? Of course I understand this won't be playable, but it
> would be useful to know as currently I switch between the iplayer plugin
> (to listen) and the BBC Sounds app for the schedule.
> 
> I appreciate this is a bit out of scope for the plugin, but thought I'd
> ask to see if it was possible and if it would be useful to other users.

The plugins used to have a 7 day schedule feature (it may have been an
Extra feature) when the BBC maintained a public APIs to stations,
programmes & schedules.  However a few years BBC have withdrawn all
public API and so reduced Extra to a minimal service with a single API
(which is likely to be to be cut as well). 

All the APIs are now private. Screen scraping would take too much effort
to maintain.

However, I have been looking at the private API mainly to implement a
backup should current plugins fail.  The query about personalisation and
now schedules made me look again at other parts of the API. 

IIRC the API used to be inaccessible but since since Personalisation for
non UK users was supported by BBC in mid Sept 2020, I think more
functions work (or possibly I've got better).

Checking the schedule part of new API and the API seems to work. 
Example Radio 3 11-Oct-2020
https://rms.api.bbc.co.uk/v2/broadcasts/schedules/bbc_radio_three/2020-10-11

Long story short - schedules may be back on the menu. 
Two caveats: 1. BBC may lock the API once it gets used by "outsiders" 2.
Need to find time to do a schedule menu amongst a few other updates



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

Interesting BBC blog entry about TLS 1.*

About 98-99% of https traffic requests on bbc.co.uk and bbc.com sites
are now 1.2 or 1.3

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/478f0e3e-a9fe-4223-be89-4dd78ba076ec



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> It gives me Latest, Bookmarks and Subscribed
> 
> Most of my BBC Radio listening is via DAB or LMS ... so they do not know
> much about me.
> 
> However, long ago I created an account there and I marked a few
> programmes as favourites or similar and they now appear under the
> Subscribed list.
> The Latest appears to be a list of recent episodes of those Subscribed
> programmes.
> 
> They do send me a weekly email with recommendations ... but it might be
> the same content for everyone.
> 
> The "Latest" list could be a useful shortcut in LMS - even if I had to
> maintain the list of subscriptions via BBC web site/Sounds app.
> 
> I just took a look at the cookies ... there are lots so even copy/paste
> of cookies would be a pain.
> 
> Backburner at best.
As part of the looking at the innerds of web pages - it is clear a new
api is being used.  One part of it is about personalised programmes -
however I don't know if this is the mechanism for receommendations
See
https://rms.api.bbc.co.uk/docs/#/Personalised%20Programmes



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> Here is a non-https thought ...
> If the plugin supported optional sign in to BBC portal then I wonder if
> the BBC personalised recommendation list would be useful.

It's not a feature I use so I don't have a personal interest/need to
implement it. Is it useful or like Netflix lots of rubbish ?

It's not a public or simple API  (i.e simple single http GET request  &
response) so it would mean 
(i) hacking the login method
(ii) hacking the recommendation and creating a menu from them somewhere
so they can be played.

I think it could be implemented like BBCiPlayerExtra, as a separate
plugin, it create "iplayer://" URL for recommendations and then uses
BBCiPlayer plugin to play them.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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mavit wrote: 
> Not sure if this is related, but, in LMS 7.9, there was a case where if
> an HTTPS connection failed when fetching repository xml, LMS would retry
> the request with HTTP.  I guess if that redirects back to HTTPS, you
> could end up stuck in a loop.  This behaviour 'has been changed for 8.0'
> (https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/pull/267/commits/7b0ddbd416e106837b3014c7a7e368ccc0ebbe02).

LMS has for a long time done the https to http swap.  However, there
were a number of bugs/shortcomings (e.g. NB in HTTPS, redirection) 
which I think were only fixed early this year - IIRC some fixes were
backported into 7.9.*.  

In term of the BBCiPlayer plugin, I think we can end the general https
discussion in this thread - any exploration of the broader LMS & https
issues can be done in another thread.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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mavit wrote: 
> Oh, and while we’re on the topic of the plugin not working unless
> your OS has robust TLS support, I still think it makes sense for the
> plugin to prefer HTTPS to HTTP.  Most HTTP URLs that the plugin uses now
> redirect to HTTPS, so trying HTTP first is just going to slow things
> down a bit, with no improvement in compatibility for users who
> can’t use HTTPS.
> 
> https://gitlab.com/mavit/BBCiPlayer/-/compare/master...https?w=1
This is a topic you brought up a few years ago but at the time many
users were on old OS, LMS etc and functionally was not necessary.  If I
changed all over to https then,  it would have resulted in many posts.
It looks like we're past the tipping point and also LMS own https
support has been vastly improved.

I'll look into the changes when the next update is due.   I think BBC
are changing stuff behind the scenes and so I'm trying to anticipate
what will be needed in next update.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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mavit wrote: 
> I think this demonstrates that that's not the problem here, right now
> (unless there exists a buggy version of the libraries that negotiate TLS
> 1.3 and then can't actually use it).  However, it certainly *is* a real
> problem that users will experience somewhere, sooner or later, if
> they're stuck on an old version of OpenSSL, so the advice to upgrade to
> a recent OS is solid in any case.

OK. 

This is strange issue.  

It has also affected LMS repository fetches and Windows version of LMS. 
Sites which technically should support TLS request less then TLS 1.3
(e.g. TLS 1.1)  seem to have problem with SSL/TLS libraries support
which is not quite up to date or the old SSL/TLS libraries have a
problem with site which support TLS 1.3.  Either way it is a problem
outside of LMS and BBCiPlayer plugin.

A separate issue but associated issue when this failure occurs -  know
of two instances where LMS "spins" making the same request about every
0.002 secs and so effectively locks out all other LMS activity.  

All is solved by updating but for some users this seems to be a drastic
solution and cannot understand the failure of backward compatibility.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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mavit wrote: 
> It doesn't seem to be that, since the following command works,
> indicating support for TLS 1.0:
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > openssl s_client -connect np.radioplayer.co.uk:443 -tls1  > 

What version of OpenSSL are you using to test ?
Could the problem be in openssl 1.0.* (and associated libraries) trying
to access a site which can support TLS 1.3  but which openssl 1.0.*
doesn't know about ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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bins wrote: 
> Thanks for all the help - I will upgrade to Buster at some point - I'm
> reluctant to just upgrade openssl (if that is even possible) on jessie -
> don't want to break anything else

If you use other internet service such as plugin repositories, audio on
demand, and many radio stations - you'll hit the "https" issue.  I think
you should prepare for an upgrade and as Ronnie said - insitu upgrade
Jessie to stretch is a pain - better to make a new image and go to
Buster. If you are not forced then you can prepare a separate sdcard
with Buster/LMS setup, get it working to your satisfaction knowing that
you can still use the Jessie sdcard while you iron out Buster issues..



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

Interesting post of a user (
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113028-LMS-Suddenly-Stopping
) whose LMS has stopped playing and seems to have the same issue -
repeated https failures preventing LMS from playing.
> 
> When I hover over the icon in task bar, it says LMS stopped? So I
> restart and the song plays a short time before LMS stops again?
> Checked my modem and it is working ok.
> 
> So I went to LMS log & I see this repeating all thru the log?;
> 
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2556] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (149)
> https lookup failed - trying plain text http instead:
> http://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2571] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (146)
> Failed to fetch https://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml:
> Connect timed out: Bad file descriptor
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2572] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (149)
> https lookup failed - trying plain text http instead:
> http://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2586] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (146)
> Failed to fetch https://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml:
> Connect timed out: Bad file descriptor
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2588] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (149)
> https lookup failed - trying plain text http instead:
> http://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2602] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (146)
> Failed to fetch https://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml:
> Connect timed out: Bad file descriptor
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2604] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (149)
> https lookup failed - trying plain text http instead:
> http://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml
> [20-10-06 17:38:53.2617] Slim::Networking::Repositories::__ANON__ (146)
> Failed to fetch https://repos.squeezecommunity.org/extensions.xml:
> Connect timed out: Bad file descriptor
> 

The other post is from a Windows 7.9.2 system which is known for the
https problem but not for the tight spinning on the same error.  bins
problem is on a Pi and LMS updates didn't fix it. 

Ronnie (aka Man in a van) did sterling work with a series of tests on
various version of OS/libraries and although there was https failures  -
the spinning behaviour did not show up.
This make me believe the root of the problem of LMS "spinning" on the
http GET failures is somewhere within the Perl supporting support
modules and libraries possibly Openssl and not within BBCiPlayer plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

[bpa]

Man in a van wrote: 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > pi@raspberrypi:~ $ openssl version
  > OpenSSL 1.1.0l  10 Sep 2019
  > pi@raspberrypi:~ $
  > 
  > 

> > 
> 
> off to watch the Giro d'Italia :)

Thanks for the systematic installation and test.  
It shows clearly why Jessie and Stretch have https problems.
Openssl is key and that to get LMS with full "https" functionality
(i.e.access LMS repositories as well as BBCiPlayer) users need to have
OpenSSL 1.1.1 and for Pi that means Buster.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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Man in a van wrote: 
> Well I have done an insitu upgrade from jessie to stretch (not to be
> recommended, as it takes a real age, much better to make a new image :)
> even better to go to buster and LMS v7.9.4  :))
> 
> 
> 
> > > > [Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 1578996832 @ Tue Jan 14 12:16:57
> > CET 2020
> > Hostname: raspberrypi
> > Server IP Address: 192.168.1.115
> > Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
> > Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 
> > Platform Architecture: armv7l-linux
> > Perl Version: 5.24.1 - 
> > arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int
> > Audio::Scan: 1.02
> > IO::Socket::SSL: 2.044
> > Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0)
> > Total Players Recognized: 1
> > 
> > > > 

Tedium well beyond call of duty - you're not in lockdown are you ?  

Log show the https realted failure of repository xml and also the
Radioplayer fetches.  Again, the failure was well behaved with failed
fetches 30 secs apart so that live stream can play OK.

AFAICT Stretch is OpenSSL 1.1.0.  
Main difference between 1.1.0 and 1.1.1 is the support of TLS V1.3



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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Man in a van wrote: 
> Well Jessie is no longer supported.
> 
> If you tell me how, I can update this one
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > pi@raspberrypi:~ $ openssl version
  > OpenSSL 1.0.1t  3 May 2016
  > pi@raspberrypi:~ $
  > 
  > 

> > 

I'm not absolutely sure.

OpenSSL comes in various "apt" packages. The relevant ones installed on
my buster are

libssl-dev
libssl1.0-dev
libssl1.0.2
libssl1.1
openssl - but this is automatic - i.e. dragged in because of other
packages.

I suspect on Jessie - only the libssl1.0-dev (and maybe a libssl1.0.1)
are installed but looking at  there is no 1.1.* for Jessie (see
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libssl )



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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Man in a van wrote: 
> Been playing the radio for about one hour now, from the LMS on the rpiB+

The log shows what I would expect with IO::Socket::SSL V2.002 and so 
doesn't matter what version of OpenSSL is running.  The Radioplayer
Error every 30 secs - which is due to https but it does nto overwhelm
system and allow streams to play.

> This a Boom playing the same station, for not so long, rpi4b

There are no error message in the Boom log which again is expected as
IO::Socket::SSL is recent 2.06x and I'm guessing the OpenSSL is also at
least 1.1.*

If OP upgrades their OpenSSL 1.0.* to 1.1.* and problem goes away - then
it will show that OpenSSL version is another component to be checked
with suspect "https" type issues.

I have a spare pi4 - I may try this evening installing older version of
OpenSSL to check its significance



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.6 (and higher) & BBCiPlayerExtra 2.0 (and higher) Support

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Man in a van wrote: 
> Been playing for about 10 mins without a problem.
> 
> Off to bed

Interesting.
The Radioplayer error is being logged (i.e. https support is the root
cause of the erro and also the repository xml errors) and so you are
reproducing the error at the expected 30 secs interval.  For some reason
it gets out of control on @bins system and doesn't wait 30 secs.

I suspect Radioplayer needs/checks for TLS 1.3 which was only supported
from OpenSSL 1.1.* onwards and this causes the initial error. There may
be a race condition somewhere.



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