[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. On Apr 5, 9:12 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I don't post very often (Jim pointed out there's an endless footer attached to my messages when I do!), but let me offer the opinion of an Atlantis and Bombadil owner (which means that I ain't buying one no matter what the decision is): I think the diagonal 2tt (the Campeur approach) is extremely attractive, AND cool, AND very likely highly, highly functional. For those who agree with the first two judgments (and there will obviously be disagreements), it is a grand slam home run. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of happyriding Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion. I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil-- even if it doesn't improve on it. But if Rivendell's goal is to actually sell some frames, then I think a diagonal 2tt will be a tough sell. But then I thought the Bomadil would be a tough sell, too. Also, unless Rivendell does some testing on the strength differences (do they even have the capability?), I think that using a diagonal 2tt would be a rash decision. As for people like EricP, this new diagonal 2tt idea seems contrary to everything Rivendell said during the pre-order period: 1) Trust us 2) July delivery a good possibility 3) Only minor tweaks I imagine Rivendell would be willing to return deposits--but that won't cure the disappointment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I agree, great job marty! I'm also with Matt on this for those who pre-ordered, and I'm one of them. It would be a substantial change to the design that was presented to early adopters and therefore if they're going to go through with this they need to contact each of those people. It sounds like an interesting design change, possibly for the better(looking and functioning) but it's a much bigger change than adding lining to lugs.. I'm sure they'll do the right thing though. Now back to speculation!! On Apr 5, 6:17 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Dude! Marty, you are like, stupid fast with photoshop (or are you using GNU?). Nice work man. Either one looks good IMHO. I've always thought the Alex Singer design was cool. But, if Rivendell does change the design, maybe they should contact the folks who have plunked down their money, and talk to them about it a bit. I think most folks would probably be enthusiastic about the change, but some folks might not be. Matt On Apr 5, 8:38 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: OK - here you go - even added a second rear brake like the Singer - which BTW is one of my favorite designs... http://tinyurl.com/ydcalff Marty On Apr 5, 8:29 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Good effort. Now, how would it look with the mixte stays added in as well? Pretty good I think and a better support for the seat tube when going trail bombing under big loads From: Marty mgie...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
speaking as a person who did/does not like the original design, either of the Marty Photoshop designs are way better and lend a unique quaulity to the bike. Just sayin. ~Mike~ On Apr 5, 9:48 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. On Apr 5, 9:12 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I don't post very often (Jim pointed out there's an endless footer attached to my messages when I do!), but let me offer the opinion of an Atlantis and Bombadil owner (which means that I ain't buying one no matter what the decision is): I think the diagonal 2tt (the Campeur approach) is extremely attractive, AND cool, AND very likely highly, highly functional. For those who agree with the first two judgments (and there will obviously be disagreements), it is a grand slam home run. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of happyriding Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion. I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil-- even if it doesn't improve on it. But if Rivendell's goal is to actually sell some frames, then I think a diagonal 2tt will be a tough sell. But then I thought the Bomadil would be a tough sell, too. Also, unless Rivendell does some testing on the strength differences (do they even have the capability?), I think that using a diagonal 2tt would be a rash decision. As for people like EricP, this new diagonal 2tt idea seems contrary to everything Rivendell said during the pre-order period: 1) Trust us 2) July delivery a good possibility 3) Only minor tweaks I imagine Rivendell would be willing to return deposits--but that won't cure the disappointment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. ------ To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. ======- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 52cm Bombadil for sale REDUCED
How about this: -52cm raw clear Frame / Fork with Headset -Rich built LX/Synergy wheels with Pacenti Quasi-moto 2.1's -XT shadow rear derailleur -XT (newer style) Crankset/BB -XTR front derailleur -Shimano slr canti brakes -Nitto seatpost 1850 shipped within the US Thanks Brad hbclick at yahoo dot com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Wow-- great mock up! I'll admit that it is much better than I expected it to look, but i still don't get it. I am sure it is stronger, but how much and is it necessary and isn't the Bomba pretty darn strong with the parallel tt's? There are definite disadvantages to the design, including bottle placement and carrying-- but how would they ever quantify the advantages with out extremely complicated testing? It seems a bit gimmicky and a bit different for the sake of being different. Seem a bit out of left field...major last minute design change. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. Portaging a bike is a main thing that gives me pause with the 2tt designs. I may be wrong, but from your description, it sounds like you're carrying the bike like a large piece of luggage, which might be a lot simpler in a train station setting. In my case, there are at least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on most bikes for this reason, and the smaller triangle of a 2tt would make it more difficult. Of course, i recognize most people probably don't generally have reason carry their bikes like this. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Bill Yeah, luggage style. My BART bike tends to be in the 45-50lb range loaded with all my work related stuff. My shoulder couldn't take that. other Bill On Apr 5, 10:14 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. Portaging a bike is a main thing that gives me pause with the 2tt designs. I may be wrong, but from your description, it sounds like you're carrying the bike like a large piece of luggage, which might be a lot simpler in a train station setting. In my case, there are at least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on most bikes for this reason, and the smaller triangle of a 2tt would make it more difficult. Of course, i recognize most people probably don't generally have reason carry their bikes like this. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Apr 5, 11:14 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: In my case, there are at least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on most bikes for this reason, and the smaller triangle of a 2tt would make it more difficult. Of course, i recognize most people probably don't generally have reason carry their bikes like this. Other reasons to shoulder a bike: 2) Carrying a bike up the steps to an office or an apartment. If Rivendell wants to differentiate the Hunqapillar's tubing from a Bombadil, here are some other versions of different tube placements for their consideration: parallel down tube: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494189528/ parallel seat tube: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494187212/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Luggage style makes sense in that scenario, no matter the weight - having a bike swinging around near head height in crowds might make people nervous :-) On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Bill Yeah, luggage style. My BART bike tends to be in the 45-50lb range loaded with all my work related stuff. My shoulder couldn't take that. other Bill On Apr 5, 10:14 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. Portaging a bike is a main thing that gives me pause with the 2tt designs. I may be wrong, but from your description, it sounds like you're carrying the bike like a large piece of luggage, which might be a lot simpler in a train station setting. In my case, there are at least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on most bikes for this reason, and the smaller triangle of a 2tt would make it more difficult. Of course, i recognize most people probably don't generally have reason carry their bikes like this. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Eric, Riv isn't going to make any drastic changes to the Hunq, or else they'd have to call it something else. What you see here is pure fantasy. One thought about TT's not being parallel and all of the sudden we have a whole new frame? Nah. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy bikes! Highlights - Mixed terrain urban route! Velo Cult! Craft Beers! Big Time Bicycle Show! Last year, the SDCBS was a fantastic event - featuring framebuilders new and old (figuratively and literally), and a nice Riv custom in the Joe Bell booth. A few of us rode a loop around San Diego Bay. This is going to be a great event, and I hope some list members make some of the show: http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Of, course, the So Cal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society will hold court on Sunday morning (April 11) for a mid city mixie. For those who want to see the ocean and enjoy a bit more of a ride, we'll meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center and do this loop (San Diego River, Ocean Beach, Sunset Cliffs, Pt. Loma, Downtown)... then, we'll pick people up at the train station. http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Mid-City-Mixie-Extended-Route And for those who want to sleep in, and/or just want a tolken ride to through two tolken dirt sections in the middle of one of the largest cities in the U.S., meet us at 10ish at the Santa Fe Depot downtown, and we'll cross downtown up to Balboa Park, through the Haunted Trail along the 163, down the dirt section of Florida Canyon ( a bit bumpy, but not bad), up to Velo Cult in South Park, then down 30th St. (The Brewlevard) to Blind Lady Ale House for a beer and lunch. Then down to the show: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Mid-City-Mixie402176 So, if you want to do 30 miles, meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center. For those who want a shorter 15 mile ride, we'll pick you up at Santa Fe Depot at 10ish. The ride will be short, prioritize the view, some dirt, a stop at Velo Cult, and a craft beer and pizza. Kid friendly! Esteban San Diego, Calif.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a
[RBW] Re: Riddle me this.
Exactly. It's them nuances and the effect they have on our lives. And actually the same friend who has the boat (which I don't understand either) says it best... there's an ass for every seat. I was thinking just the other day how when I was growing up I had an old Raleigh 3-speed with a Brooks seat. When I graduated to a real road bike with a grooved and padded techno-seat I marveled at how I ever rode on a ridiculous slab of leather stretched across a metal frame. Over the years I must have gone through a half a dozen techno- seats (and they weren't bad). And then when I bought my Atlantis I spent $100 on a Brooks. And I l-o-v-e it. Most comfortable seat ever. Weird. I only ever had one other bike that did the same thing for me. Back in the 1980's I did some consulting for Fat City Cycles. They made Fat Chance Mountain bikes. I worked for free with the understanding that at some point, whenever he felt that I'd finally earned it (or never if I didn't), the owner would give me a bike. I worked for him for several years and then one day I went to the shop and he looked at me and said, today's the day. It was cool. And I loved and cherished that bike for almost 20 years. Just like my Atlantis. On Apr 5, 11:24 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: The money we spend and how we choose to spend it. Sheesh. I have a Joe S./Curt/Joe B. Rivendell custom that was damaged in a collision. While it was away for repair, I put almost all the parts on a (Panasonic-built?) Schwinn World Voyageur frame so I could continue riding to work. It was pretty enough, and rode just fine. One day, without thinking of all the possible ramifications of my words, I remarked to my wife, ³You know, that old Schwinn is about 70% as good a ride as the Rivendell.² Oops. She pulled up short and said, ³Wait. The bike you paid fifty bucks for is two thirds as good as the bike that cost us more than three grand?² After she started talking to me again, we had some long and interesting discussions about nuances of design and craftsmanship and their effect on function and quality of our lives, both individually and as a society. I still have the Riv and still catch myself staring at it, marveling at the details of joinery and paint, and marveling at the ride when astride it. The Schwinn has gone to a deserving home, with no regrets. I will say this: I CANNOT understand how some folks spend so much money on boats and fishing gear. Now that¹s just ridiculous. -- Jon ³Kidding! I kid!² Grant, house-bound in Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Apr 5, 9:51 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, Riv isn't going to make any drastic changes to the Hunq, or else they'd have to call it something else. What you see here is pure fantasy. One thought about TT's not being parallel and all of the sudden we have a whole new frame? Nah. Did you see the name of the op? It's not April 1 anymore, either. Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm A Homer Hilsen and miscellaneous parts
UPDATE: SOLD - 55cm A Homer Hilsen - track cogs - front brake STILL AVAILABLE: - Ritchey Speedmax Cross Comp 700x40 tires - maybe 50 miles on these $35/pair - PrincetonTec Switchback 3 light with all accessories in box $95 - cork Grips, new $6 - clothe tape, new: 2 rolls dark blue $5, 2 rolls aqua $5 - generic threadless stem. 120mm 40 degree. black. 1 1/8, includes shim for 1inch tube $12 - fix/free wheelset. Mavic CXP22 rims on Formula hubs (120mm, re- spaced to 130mm) - well-used. rear track nuts work but are beat up. $50/set -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Personally I like all the options shown better than two parallel toptubes. They all look like reinforcing structures to me whereas the paralle TT's just look redundant...what's that thing that's in the eye of the be-whatsits? Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of happyriding Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:49 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar On Apr 5, 9:51 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, Riv isn't going to make any drastic changes to the Hunq, or else they'd have to call it something else. What you see here is pure fantasy. One thought about TT's not being parallel and all of the sudden we have a whole new frame? Nah. Did you see the name of the op? It's not April 1 anymore, either. Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: In my experience with my 60 cm Bombadil, I found the center Esge 2 leg stand to be unstable on anything but dead flat, hard ground. I mention the size of the bike because I wondered whether the height provided a greater lever for destabilizing it. I agree that the Esge is not all that stable even on flat concrete and, on soft surfaces, it's no better than your $12.95 bb Greenfield. BUT *I* use the VO stand which (1) is wider and (2) has these cute little plastic feet that give more support. Considerably better. But I agree that a rear-triangle-mount stand seems to be best unless you really want to keep your bike upright when you remove a wheel (which I do). Patrick Moore, grimly bottom-trimming. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Fwd: [RBW] Re: Riddle me this.
So... that's all I was noodling on. I couldn't rationally explain the extra $2500 I spent, but I just knew that I couldn't be happier having done it. OK, time to stop typing and go out riding. Hell, you got off lightly. I've had 3 customs and I ride 4K miles in a good year (usually closer to 3K). But, as I was telling my brother just this morning, I drive a 20 year old van (2K miles since the beginning of November) and dammit, if i want to spend $$ on ego-bolstering bike stuff, I will! Dammit! Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM, where the winds are forecast to gust to 50 over the next few days, and who loves grunting fixed gears against winds in the hooks and up hills with loads. Amen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ Thanks for mocking that up! It doesn't look as good as I had imagined when I described it - with a longer headtube, it would only improve. But I still think it looks better, more sensible and organic in a way, than any of the other schemes - except for the the campeur-style with the added stays, which I think would be a brilliant choice! James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
Amen to that. And when will we get some more ride reports as in the earlier issues, as the PBP tandem story? It has too much technical esoterica for my taste. FWIW. Not much, no doubt. PAM On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, rswat...@me.com wrote: When will we get an electronic version? Paper is SO 2nd century! On Apr 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: I know a lot of folks here read Vintage Bicycle Quarterly. A friend received the latest issue on 04/03. I imagine mine should arrive today. Beth H's Rivendell is featured in this issues My Favorite Bike article. Just a quick note: The magazine has been Bicycle Quarterly for quite a few years now. We dropped the Vintage from the name to highlight that it's not about old bikes, but about quality bikes of all ages. Check out the contents of the Spring 2010 issue, and you'll see that while there is plenty of fascinating history, our view is forward- looking, with tests of modern bikes (including one with Campagnolo Super Record 11-speed _and_ 650B wheels) and components (Electra's new Ticino cranks, hubs, etc.). We examine technical issues that matter to real-world riders, like the effect of wheel size on handling. See a preview of the Spring issue at http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/currentissue.html and the full table of contents at http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/contents.html Thanks, Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Danged! If that diagonal tube had been on the docket last week during the pre-deal, it might well have pushed me over the edge! FWIW, I saw a campeur in a (cool) shop in Paris last year - Rando Cycles http://www.flickr.com/photos/66275...@n00/4494454218/ ... I think it was the owner's bike. Big/tall dude... big/tall bike (and, all Campy Euclid iirc)! James: your triangulation suggestion reminded me of old Koski/Trailmaster stuff... (Kinda hard to) see: http://mombat.org/80Koski5.jpg http://mombat.org/80Koski8.jpg http://mombat.org/Koski.htm =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 4/5/10, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ Thanks for mocking that up! It doesn't look as good as I had imagined when I described it - with a longer headtube, it would only improve. But I still think it looks better, more sensible and organic in a way, than any of the other schemes - except for the the campeur-style with the added stays, which I think would be a brilliant choice! James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I like all of the tt configurations imagined here, far better than the parallel... This bike is meant to be a beast! The extra structure is interesting and functional. Cool like interesting duthh bikes. Unique l! Diagonal-ize! On Apr 5, 11:08 am, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ Thanks for mocking that up! It doesn't look as good as I had imagined when I described it - with a longer headtube, it would only improve. But I still think it looks better, more sensible and organic in a way, than any of the other schemes - except for the the campeur-style with the added stays, which I think would be a brilliant choice! James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riddle me this.
My SO has three fat-chances, all of them well-ridden too. They are cool bikes. On Apr 5, 1:43 pm, Buck ahurv...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. It's them nuances and the effect they have on our lives. And actually the same friend who has the boat (which I don't understand either) says it best... there's an ass for every seat. I was thinking just the other day how when I was growing up I had an old Raleigh 3-speed with a Brooks seat. When I graduated to a real road bike with a grooved and padded techno-seat I marveled at how I ever rode on a ridiculous slab of leather stretched across a metal frame. Over the years I must have gone through a half a dozen techno- seats (and they weren't bad). And then when I bought my Atlantis I spent $100 on a Brooks. And I l-o-v-e it. Most comfortable seat ever. Weird. I only ever had one other bike that did the same thing for me. Back in the 1980's I did some consulting for Fat City Cycles. They made Fat Chance Mountain bikes. I worked for free with the understanding that at some point, whenever he felt that I'd finally earned it (or never if I didn't), the owner would give me a bike. I worked for him for several years and then one day I went to the shop and he looked at me and said, today's the day. It was cool. And I loved and cherished that bike for almost 20 years. Just like my Atlantis. On Apr 5, 11:24 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: The money we spend and how we choose to spend it. Sheesh. I have a Joe S./Curt/Joe B. Rivendell custom that was damaged in a collision. While it was away for repair, I put almost all the parts on a (Panasonic-built?) Schwinn World Voyageur frame so I could continue riding to work. It was pretty enough, and rode just fine. One day, without thinking of all the possible ramifications of my words, I remarked to my wife, ³You know, that old Schwinn is about 70% as good a ride as the Rivendell.² Oops. She pulled up short and said, ³Wait. The bike you paid fifty bucks for is two thirds as good as the bike that cost us more than three grand?² After she started talking to me again, we had some long and interesting discussions about nuances of design and craftsmanship and their effect on function and quality of our lives, both individually and as a society. I still have the Riv and still catch myself staring at it, marveling at the details of joinery and paint, and marveling at the ride when astride it. The Schwinn has gone to a deserving home, with no regrets. I will say this: I CANNOT understand how some folks spend so much money on boats and fishing gear. Now that¹s just ridiculous. -- Jon ³Kidding! I kid!² Grant, house-bound in Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Apr 5, 12:08 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ Thanks for mocking that up! It doesn't look as good as I had imagined when I described it - with a longer headtube, it would only improve. But I still think it looks better, more sensible and organic in a way, than any of the other schemes - except for the the campeur-style with the added stays, which I think would be a brilliant choice! Personally, I think I like the double down tube the best. It would also lower the center of gravity of the bike. I don't know how it would affect the twisting forces at the BB, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
And here's the fantasy decal for the Diagonpillar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4494550338/ On Apr 5, 11:52 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I like all of the tt configurations imagined here, far better than the parallel... This bike is meant to be a beast! The extra structure is interesting and functional. Cool like interesting duthh bikes. Unique l! Diagonal-ize! On Apr 5, 11:08 am, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two triangles are better than one geometry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/ Thanks for mocking that up! It doesn't look as good as I had imagined when I described it - with a longer headtube, it would only improve. But I still think it looks better, more sensible and organic in a way, than any of the other schemes - except for the the campeur-style with the added stays, which I think would be a brilliant choice! James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Apr 5, 1:06 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: And here's the fantasy decal for the Diagonpillar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4494550338/ Ha ha ha! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riddle me this.
All major purchase decisions we make involve some form of value analysis. Since everyone's values differ, there's more to life than unit prices. I have a couple of friends who won't own anything but a over-priced (to me) German sports sedan, yet gasp at the notion of a bicycle costing $2,000. Before buying my Atlantis, I'd decided on a bike capable of loaded touring and researched that particular corner of the bike world. There were bikes costing less and bikes costing more, so in that world the Atlantis, in my evaluation, was a fair value for the money. OTH, if a bike was purchased for occasional, casual recreational rides, the cost of any Rivendell would be tough to justify on purely economic grounds. Aesthetics are another topic altogether. At some point we all vote with our wallets, and if good looks fine craftsmanship is important, we're willing to pay for it. dougP On Apr 4, 7:36 am, Buck ahurv...@gmail.com wrote: I go visit my friend, RIck, on Cape Cod. He never rides, but we're gonna ride the Cape Cod bike trail just for fun. He drags an old Specialized Crossroads out of the garage. It's maybe early/mid 90's and a hybrid-y kind of thing. I have my Atlantis. Rick is very mechanical (think cars, boats, motorcycles) and very handy (rebuilt much of his house). He's oohing and ahhing over the Atlantis. Asks me what I like about it. I tell him how comfy it is. Bars a little higher than the seat, long wheelbase, large triangle, etc. With his bike next to mine, the frame triangles are noticeably different. So I'm barking about his small tubes and all that stuff. While we're talking, he takes a tape measure off his belt... Despite the obvious difference in tube lengths, our wheelbases are almost identical (we're both the same height). His seat is the same height as mine (though his top tube is much lower). His bars are actually about the same height. The seat to pedal distance is about the same. In other words, the frame sizes are radically different... his seat tube extends way more than mine and his stem is taller, but hey, sitting on our bikes is pretty much identical. I can recite all the coefficient of linear plentitudes and cosines of the primary hypotenuse stuff, but beyond the theory, he was looking at me like hey, I l-o-v-e your Atlantis, but tell me again why... if I'm not riding across Nepal... your Atlantis is better than my $75 craigslist special if we're just going for a ride?? I had a great $1000 answer. Because the Atlantis is so cool. But I didn't have a good $2500-3000 answer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy bikes! Highlights - Mixed terrain urban route! Velo Cult! Craft Beers! Big Time Bicycle Show! Last year, the SDCBS was a fantastic event - featuring framebuilders new and old (figuratively and literally), and a nice Riv custom in the Joe Bell booth. A few of us rode a loop around San Diego Bay. This is going to be a great event, and I hope some list members make some of the show: http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Of, course, the So Cal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society will hold court on Sunday morning (April 11) for a mid city mixie. For those who want to see the ocean and enjoy a bit more of a ride, we'll meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center and do this loop (San Diego River, Ocean Beach, Sunset Cliffs, Pt. Loma, Downtown)... then, we'll pick people up at the train station. http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Mid-City-Mixie-Extended-Route And for those who want to sleep in, and/or just want a tolken ride to through two tolken dirt sections in the middle of one of the largest cities in the U.S., meet us at 10ish at the Santa Fe Depot downtown, and we'll cross downtown up to Balboa Park, through the Haunted Trail along the 163, down the dirt section of Florida Canyon ( a bit bumpy, but not bad), up to Velo Cult in South Park, then down 30th St. (The Brewlevard) to Blind Lady Ale House for a beer and lunch. Then down to the show: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Mid-City-Mixie402176 So, if you want to do 30 miles, meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center. For those who want a shorter 15 mile ride, we'll pick you up at Santa Fe Depot at 10ish. The ride will be short, prioritize the view, some dirt, a stop at Velo Cult, and a craft beer and pizza. Kid friendly! Esteban San Diego, Calif.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Egglantis
Nice color match. On Apr 5, 8:18 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Very nice but I find those thin-wall models very prone to cracking... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Warren Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:57 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Egglantis http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/4491924612/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: No damned bag matching for me! Pannier shopping spree
Patrick, when you decide to pull the trigger, you're on full auto! dougP On Apr 4, 5:50 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: I love those Linus bags. I might buy some for commuting. Fits the aesthetic of a teacher pretty well... On Apr 3, 10:00 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I finally decided that I have enough money to stop using makeshift panniers, and over the last two day's have purchased three pairs, to wit: (1) Avenir shopping basket panniers, $40 each from Fat Tire Cycles, nice, heavy nylon canvas and mesh with foldable metal frame and shoulder straps; I'll keep these at home for shopping use on different bikes. (2) Axiom Dutch panniers, half price sale at $44 the pair form AEB, that will go permanently on the Motobecane. (3) the Linus Shopper pair, a flap-over-the-rack, mid-sized pair of 22 oz cotton canvas from Calhoun for $110 the pair; just the right size for the Riv commuter at 32X29X12 cm. I'm sorry now that I hesitated on the Minehahas from that hardware store, but when I checked yesterday they were out of stock. And I think that the Linus's are made from heavier fabric. (One nice feature: they can be rolled and snapped up when empty). Will post photos when they all arrive. (Hope to use the Avenirs tomorrow for trip to Costco on the Motobecane.) Patrick Moore, who also will never use shellac'd cotton tape on his bars. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ventura Ride Report
Rob: Thanks again for organizing this ride. After all the rain, those hills probably look better than they have in years. We chatted briefly with a rancher on horseback with 2 dogs (1 shepherd 1 pit bull) who was really friendly. Said the horse was still getting used to bikes. The Atlantis with touring tires worked just fine, given the available power input. Thanks for waiting up on the climbs! David: Hey, we were thinking about you. This was your ride, buddy. No single track but hours of high quality miles grear photo ops. dougP On Apr 4, 4:47 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the photos, SoCal Riv Riders - looks like that was a beautiful ride! I feel gratified every time you're showing that Southern California isn't so terrible a place for bike riding after all. I will join you again one of these days. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Silver Hupe of Death
This thing is like inviting heartbreak purposely into one's life. Bought one 3 years ago, never used/never had a use for it... until late. And after three tries, and the resulting 6 [3 per seatstay] deep - through paint/primer into the actual steel deep- hanks into my Bob Brown custom, I can officially say, This thing is not working for me. Seriously bothered about the carnage this lil' contraption inflicted on my whip. I'd sell it to someone but that would be like selling someone a dog you know bites strangers, has bladder control issues and eats small children. ~I wish I hadn't tried past that first try when installing this thing... I would have a little more Imron left on my bike than I currently do~ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Silver Hupe of Death
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 13:45 -0700, Me wrote: This thing is like inviting heartbreak purposely into one's life. At least it's cheaper than buying a French car. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Silver Hupe of Death
They do suck royally. (Hupes and old French cars) I took a metal file to the ends of mine and it has been serviceable. Remember Riv LIKES beausage your gouges are proof of the authenticity of your zeitgeist.. From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 3:56:51 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Silver Hupe of Death On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 13:45 -0700, Me wrote: This thing is like inviting heartbreak purposely into one's life. At least it's cheaper than buying a French car. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Silver Hupe of Death
Yes, Riv likes beausage, but it's possible that it may have something to do with selling items that do this to your bike. Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:09:49 -0700 From: fullylug...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Silver Hupe of Death To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com They do suck royally. (Hupes and old French cars) I took a metal file to the ends of mine and it has been serviceable. Remember Riv LIKES beausage your gouges are proof of the authenticity of your zeitgeist.. From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 3:56:51 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Silver Hupe of Death On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 13:45 -0700, Me wrote: This thing is like inviting heartbreak purposely into one's life. At least it's cheaper than buying a French car. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Hupe of Death
I had the same problem with mine. Definitely suggest wrapping some cloth bar tape around the stays before mounting the Hupe. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2010, at 2:15 PM, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2:45 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: This thing is like inviting heartbreak purposely into one's life. Bought one 3 years ago, never used/never had a use for it... until late. And after three tries, and the resulting 6 [3 per seatstay] deep - through paint/primer into the actual steel deep- hanks into my Bob Brown custom, I can officially say, This thing is not working for How does it gouge the paint? In the photos below, it looks like the metal parts that go around the seat stays are coated with rubber: http://epicureancyclist.blogspot.com/2008/11/review-rivendell-silver-hupe.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Silver Hupe of Death
True, dat... On Apr 5, 1:56 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 13:45 -0700, Me wrote: This thing is like inviting heartbreak purposely into one's life. At least it's cheaper than buying a French car. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Rough Riding on the Adventure Cycling Blog
Hi gang: Check out Fat Terrain on Skinny Tires on the Adventure Cycling Blog: http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/04/fat-terrain-on-skinny-tires.html I'm so excited about the momentum we're building! - Chris Kostman La Jolla, CA http://www.XO-1.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Just read that myself. It seems like some hard feelings are being formed. On Apr 5, 3:28 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: .and Grant posted about the various opinions, and indicated that one refund was given already. I think that's too bad, but nobody should buy a bike that they cannot like. On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric, If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. I would not be suprised if they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with the change to the top tube. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
i hope there's no serious hard feeligns.. the new design is just that, a new design. it's different than what was initially shown during the presale and all the here's da hunka stuff. If someone doesn't like the changes ( i haven't made up my mind yet ), I don't see anything wrong with them asking for a refund as it is a different bike. Losing a customer with a change like this is a possibility sure, but I hope they're not losing friends or fans over this! Matt On Apr 5, 2:50 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Just read that myself. It seems like some hard feelings are being formed. On Apr 5, 3:28 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: .and Grant posted about the various opinions, and indicated that one refund was given already. I think that's too bad, but nobody should buy a bike that they cannot like. On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric, If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. I would not be suprised if they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with the change to the top tube. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I think it's a waste of energy to get upset about something like this. First, it's a bicycle. Bicycles are fun. Second, if you're upset about it, give it a few days and see if you still feel the same way. It's going to be a nice bike. On Apr 5, 1:50 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Just read that myself. It seems like some hard feelings are being formed. On Apr 5, 3:28 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: .and Grant posted about the various opinions, and indicated that one refund was given already. I think that's too bad, but nobody should buy a bike that they cannot like. On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric, If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. I would not be suprised if they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with the change to the top tube. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices you 75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and still not tall. Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.) On Apr 5, 9:01 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy. On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric, If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. I would not be suprised if they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with the change to the top tube. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off the boat. I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. Having ridden the prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. This diagonal-fest will only make them more solid. And more awesome. And these were never svelte bikes. They are intended to be tanks, plowers, mowers...anything that adds strength (and innovation to boot) for this utility machine is welcomed... especially from Keven and Grant who do a lot of tinkering and riding and experimenting. Patience is a virtue. I'm liking this bike more and more. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 3:48 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices you 75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and still not tall. Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.) On Apr 5, 9:01 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy. On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric, If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. I would not be suprised if they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with the change to the top tube. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
Color would be nice, but it's terribly expensive. We offer color in our books, which can be sold over a longer period of time, and thus amortize the cost. We also have color photos of almost all bikes featured in BQ at http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/image-archive.html More ride reports: Every issue has at least one ride report. In the current issue, it's a ride from Lyon to Nice in 1908. 500+ km on unpaved roads in 24:30 hours, on a two-chain bike... We have an article on cycling in India for the Summer issue, and more for the following issues. Some rides are recent, others from the past, but all are out of the ordinary. We try to keep a balance of technical articles, inspiring rides and fascinating history in every issue, plus a neat classic bike featured (a 1954 Alex Singer in the current issue). Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
My copies are in tatters from multiple reads. On Apr 5, 5:54 pm, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Color would be nice, but it's terribly expensive. We offer color in our books, which can be sold over a longer period of time, and thus amortize the cost. We also have color photos of almost all bikes featured in BQ at http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/image-archive.html More ride reports: Every issue has at least one ride report. In the current issue, it's a ride from Lyon to Nice in 1908. 500+ km on unpaved roads in 24:30 hours, on a two-chain bike... We have an article on cycling in India for the Summer issue, and more for the following issues. Some rides are recent, others from the past, but all are out of the ordinary. We try to keep a balance of technical articles, inspiring rides and fascinating history in every issue, plus a neat classic bike featured (a 1954 Alex Singer in the current issue). Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I'm owning up. It's me that has the refund. Mainly due to the thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered. It may be good, but not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf. The new bike is also too jarring to me visually. Sorry to the list if I've made too much and lead to discord. Not my wish. Do not want to alienate others because of my own stupid ideas. Am not mad at Rivendell at all. The blame (if there is any) lies squarely with me in this case. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 5, 6:00�pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off the boat. �I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. �Having ridden the prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. �This diagonal-fest will only make them more solid. �And more awesome. And these were never svelte bikes. �They are intended to be tanks, plowers, mowers...anything that adds strength (and innovation to boot) for this utility machine is welcomed... especially from Keven and Grant who do a lot of tinkering and riding and experimenting. Patience is a virtue. �I'm liking this bike more and more. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 3:48�pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices you 75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and still not tall. Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.) On Apr 5, 9:01�am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy. On Apr 5, 8:27�am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. �Jars my view too much. �Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. �Fine. �I'm fat. �That's been established. �Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. �That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. �With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. �At least on a 58. �And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. �Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. �Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric, If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. �I would not be suprised if they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with the change to the top tube. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
spoken for, thanks On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:37 AM, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll take the noodle bars.James On Apr 5, 1:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Updated showing items still available, thanks for the interest! $5 shipping any one item. Saddles are $10 shipping. Two or more items get *FREE *shipping thrown in. Can deliver to San Diego for the show next weekend. Mostly Rivendellish/retro-grouchy parts: Brooks Green B17 - $65 - used, copper dulled on rails, cosmetic only, leather is great! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207648/ Brooks Black Conquest - $75 - used in box - Pre 2000 badge which is kinda' cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490562329/ Nitto Jaguar - $90 - ultimate nice post NIB unused, etc. Masterpiece of seat posts. Full price but free shippinghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490559997/ Tektro interrupter levers - black, logo removed - $15 No Pic Nitto Noodle bars - Very LOW miles - 46cm heat treated - $55 No Pic Shimano Freewheel 6spd MF-HG22 - near new- $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490557039/in/photostream/ 110bcd X 34T chainring - take off from crankset, new but mounted - $10 - $2 shipping http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491209092/ 58bcd X 22T chainring - steel, new - $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490554719/- $2 shipping Mordor influenced CF parts: IRD Pro-Carbon Handlebar - 660 wide, 9^backsweep, 44mm rise, 180 g. - $30 with Titec CF barends http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207230/ Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost - zigzag from removal on clearcoat $30http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491201998/ Complete Bike: Trek 330 (Reynolds 531) 24/61cm $300 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3013857978/ Brooks B17, Nitto Noodles/Tech Dlx, Flip/flop single speed hub w/ MA3 rim in rear. No rust, some paint wear, no dings/dents. GREAT single speed or build it back to a traditional tubed road bike! More pics a'comin' on this. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
Hi David - I will take the Jaguar it it's still unclaimed. Thanks, Corwin On Apr 4, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Updated showing items still available, thanks for the interest! $5 shipping any one item. Saddles are $10 shipping. Two or more items get *FREE *shipping thrown in. Can deliver to San Diego for the show next weekend. Mostly Rivendellish/retro-grouchy parts: Brooks Green B17 - $65 - used, copper dulled on rails, cosmetic only, leather is great! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207648/ Brooks Black Conquest - $75 - used in box - Pre 2000 badge which is kinda' cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490562329/ Nitto Jaguar - $90 - ultimate nice post NIB unused, etc. Masterpiece of seat posts. Full price but free shippinghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490559997/ Tektro interrupter levers - black, logo removed - $15 No Pic Nitto Noodle bars - Very LOW miles - 46cm heat treated - $55 No Pic Shimano Freewheel 6spd MF-HG22 - near new- $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490557039/in/photostream/ 110bcd X 34T chainring - take off from crankset, new but mounted - $10 - $2 shipping http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491209092/ 58bcd X 22T chainring - steel, new - $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490554719/- $2 shipping Mordor influenced CF parts: IRD Pro-Carbon Handlebar - 660 wide, 9^backsweep, 44mm rise, 180 g. - $30 with Titec CF barendshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207230/ Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost - zigzag from removal on clearcoat $30http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491201998/ Complete Bike: Trek 330 (Reynolds 531) 24/61cm $300http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3013857978/ Brooks B17, Nitto Noodles/Tech Dlx, Flip/flop single speed hub w/ MA3 rim in rear. No rust, some paint wear, no dings/dents. GREAT single speed or build it back to a traditional tubed road bike! More pics a'comin' on this. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
spoken for, thanks for the interest! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David - I will take the Jaguar it it's still unclaimed. Thanks, Corwin On Apr 4, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Updated showing items still available, thanks for the interest! $5 shipping any one item. Saddles are $10 shipping. Two or more items get *FREE *shipping thrown in. Can deliver to San Diego for the show next weekend. Mostly Rivendellish/retro-grouchy parts: Brooks Green B17 - $65 - used, copper dulled on rails, cosmetic only, leather is great! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207648/ Brooks Black Conquest - $75 - used in box - Pre 2000 badge which is kinda' cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490562329/ Nitto Jaguar - $90 - ultimate nice post NIB unused, etc. Masterpiece of seat posts. Full price but free shippinghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490559997/ Tektro interrupter levers - black, logo removed - $15 No Pic Nitto Noodle bars - Very LOW miles - 46cm heat treated - $55 No Pic Shimano Freewheel 6spd MF-HG22 - near new- $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490557039/in/photostream/ 110bcd X 34T chainring - take off from crankset, new but mounted - $10 - $2 shipping http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491209092/ 58bcd X 22T chainring - steel, new - $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490554719/- $2 shipping Mordor influenced CF parts: IRD Pro-Carbon Handlebar - 660 wide, 9^backsweep, 44mm rise, 180 g. - $30 with Titec CF barends http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207230/ Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost - zigzag from removal on clearcoat $30http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491201998/ Complete Bike: Trek 330 (Reynolds 531) 24/61cm $300 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3013857978/ Brooks B17, Nitto Noodles/Tech Dlx, Flip/flop single speed hub w/ MA3 rim in rear. No rust, some paint wear, no dings/dents. GREAT single speed or build it back to a traditional tubed road bike! More pics a'comin' on this. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 52cm Bombadil for sale IS NOW SOLD! Thanks!!
Yes. Well, I suppose it¹s all for the best. Congratulations, Andrew. eyes downcast, toe in dirt, bottom lip out -- Jon ³Papa² Grant Illustration + Information Graphics Austin, Texas jgr...@papagrant.com 512-284-9599 From: jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:25:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] 52cm Bombadil for sale IS NOW SOLD! Thanks!! Thanks (again) Andrew! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
OK, trying to get an updated list together... Conquest is still left; I'm surprised! I'll throw in the 22T chainring or the Shimano freewheel in with the saddle! I'll be boxing up stuff tonight, and can hopefully get some more pics of the Trek tomorrow. It has clearance for 35mm tires for sure on it. Cosmetically it could use a repaint, but again, no damage to the frame. So Cal and Phoenix bike, so no rust. $5 shipping any one item. Saddles are $10 shipping. Two or more items get *FREE *shipping thrown in. Can deliver to San Diego for the show next weekend. Mostly Rivendellish/retro-grouchy parts: Brooks Black Conquest - $75 - used in box - Pre 2000 badge which is kinda' cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490562329/ Tektro interrupter levers - black, logo removed - $15 No Pic Shimano Freewheel 6spd MF-HG22 - near new- $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490557039/in/photostream/ 58bcd X 22T chainring - steel, new - $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490554719/- $2 shipping Mordor influenced CF parts: IRD Pro-Carbon Handlebar - 660 wide, 9^backsweep, 44mm rise, 180 g. - $30 with Titec CF barendshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207230/ Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost - zigzag from removal on clearcoat $30http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491201998/ Complete Bike: Trek 330 (Reynolds 531) 24/61cm $300 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3013857978/ Brooks B17, Nitto Noodles/Tech Dlx, Flip/flop single speed hub w/ MA3 rim in rear. No rust, some paint wear, no dings/dents. GREAT single speed or build it back to a traditional tubed road bike! More pics a'comin' on this. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:30 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: spoken for, thanks for the interest! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David - I will take the Jaguar it it's still unclaimed. Thanks, Corwin On Apr 4, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Updated showing items still available, thanks for the interest! $5 shipping any one item. Saddles are $10 shipping. Two or more items get *FREE *shipping thrown in. Can deliver to San Diego for the show next weekend. Mostly Rivendellish/retro-grouchy parts: Brooks Green B17 - $65 - used, copper dulled on rails, cosmetic only, leather is great! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207648/ Brooks Black Conquest - $75 - used in box - Pre 2000 badge which is kinda' cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490562329/ Nitto Jaguar - $90 - ultimate nice post NIB unused, etc. Masterpiece of seat posts. Full price but free shippinghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490559997/ Tektro interrupter levers - black, logo removed - $15 No Pic Nitto Noodle bars - Very LOW miles - 46cm heat treated - $55 No Pic Shimano Freewheel 6spd MF-HG22 - near new- $10 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490557039/in/photostream/ 110bcd X 34T chainring - take off from crankset, new but mounted - $10 - $2 shipping http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491209092/ 58bcd X 22T chainring - steel, new - $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490554719/- $2 shipping Mordor influenced CF parts: IRD Pro-Carbon Handlebar - 660 wide, 9^backsweep, 44mm rise, 180 g. - $30 with Titec CF barends http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207230/ Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost - zigzag from removal on clearcoat $30http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491201998/ Complete Bike: Trek 330 (Reynolds 531) 24/61cm $300 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3013857978/ Brooks B17, Nitto Noodles/Tech Dlx, Flip/flop single speed hub w/ MA3 rim in rear. No rust, some paint wear, no dings/dents. GREAT single speed or build it back to a traditional tubed road bike! More pics a'comin' on this. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
[RBW] Re: Silver Hupe love
On Apr 5, 5:21 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I had the same problem with mine. Definitely suggest wrapping some cloth bar tape around the stays before mounting the Hupe. --Eric cloth,even shellacked, will not offer full protection from a silver hupe. I know from experience. Maybe a few layers of inner tube will do the trick? That said, I love my silver hupe. It allows me to use the same bike for commuting, shopping,and club rides. easy on/ easy off. Make a bike more versatile. I carried such heavy loads on mine that it bent. I'm going to do my best to bend it back. Silver hupe on back, Wald Quick Release http://www.waldsports.com/ index.cfm/wald114basket.html on front -- for getting the most out of one bike. Best, Larry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 52cm Bombadil for sale IS NOW SOLD! Thanks!!
I am the buyer of the Hilsen. I can't wait to get it and I owe a big thank you to my wife for giving me her blessing. Now time to get my Gunnar ready for sale. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:18 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Er, Hilsen that is. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:18 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Two nice bikes sold today... Bomba and a Ram. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks (again) Andrew! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
On Apr 5, 2010, at 4:54 PM, jan_heine wrote: Color would be nice, but it's terribly expensive. We offer color in our books, which can be sold over a longer period of time, and thus amortize the cost. IMHO the BW has a certain niftiness that color just doesn't have. Don't sweat it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
completely agree. the BW is part of the charm to me. Great magazine!! On Apr 5, 7:38 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Apr 5, 2010, at 4:54 PM, jan_heine wrote: Color would be nice, but it's terribly expensive. We offer color in our books, which can be sold over a longer period of time, and thus amortize the cost. IMHO the BW has a certain niftiness that color just doesn't have. Don't sweat it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 59 Romulus in Portland
Dang, one size too big for me! http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/1678190892.html Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 52cm Bombadil for sale IS NOW SOLD! Thanks!!
You're awesome! All bikes deserve a good home! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: I am the buyer of the Hilsen. I can't wait to get it and I owe a big thank you to my wife for giving me her blessing. Now time to get my Gunnar ready for sale. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:18 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Er, Hilsen that is. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:18 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Two nice bikes sold today... Bomba and a Ram. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks (again) Andrew! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Ventura Ride Report
I know, I know... tough one to miss. Looked sounded GREAT from all the pics and write ups. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Rob: Thanks again for organizing this ride. After all the rain, those hills probably look better than they have in years. We chatted briefly with a rancher on horseback with 2 dogs (1 shepherd 1 pit bull) who was really friendly. Said the horse was still getting used to bikes. The Atlantis with touring tires worked just fine, given the available power input. Thanks for waiting up on the climbs! David: Hey, we were thinking about you. This was your ride, buddy. No single track but hours of high quality miles grear photo ops. dougP On Apr 4, 4:47 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the photos, SoCal Riv Riders - looks like that was a beautiful ride! I feel gratified every time you're showing that Southern California isn't so terrible a place for bike riding after all. I will join you again one of these days. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendel l Ride! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Yes, point taken. :-) Looks like most of the damage in Mexicali (got the blues). That's just across the border from Calexico, which could be a pretty cool case study. TJ seems to have came out ok, and they've got some serious shantitowns on the hillsides there. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:48 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not hearing about much damage in Tijuana, which is built up with the opposite of strict building codes. :-) Read the Nytimes - a number of buildings and a parking deck collapsed. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendel l Ride! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy bikes! Highlights - Mixed terrain urban route! Velo Cult! Craft Beers! Big Time Bicycle Show! Last year, the SDCBS was a fantastic event - featuring framebuilders new and old (figuratively and literally), and a nice Riv custom in the Joe Bell booth. A few of us rode a loop around San Diego Bay. This is going to be a great event, and I hope some list members make some of the show: http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Of, course, the So Cal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society will hold court on Sunday morning (April 11) for a mid city mixie. For those who want to see the ocean and enjoy a bit more of a ride, we'll meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center and do this loop (San Diego River, Ocean Beach, Sunset Cliffs, Pt. Loma, Downtown)... then, we'll pick people up at the train station. http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Mid-City-Mixie-Extended-Route And for those who want to sleep in, and/or just want a tolken ride to through two tolken dirt sections in the middle of one of the largest cities in the U.S., meet us at 10ish at the Santa Fe Depot downtown, and we'll cross downtown up to Balboa Park, through the Haunted Trail along the 163, down the dirt section of Florida Canyon ( a bit bumpy, but not bad), up to Velo Cult in South Park, then down 30th St. (The Brewlevard) to Blind Lady Ale House for a beer and lunch. Then down to the show: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Mid-City-Mixie402176 So, if you want to do 30 miles, meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center. For those who want a shorter 15 mile ride, we'll pick you up at Santa Fe Depot at 10ish. The ride will be short, prioritize the view, some dirt, a stop at Velo Cult, and a craft beer and pizza. Kid friendly! Esteban San Diego, Calif.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
Paper is good. It's wonderful to find BQ drop thru the mail slot, a bit like Christmas but 4X per year. An e-mail notice that your new BQ is now available in PDF wouldn't be the same. Your current mix and balance of topics suits me. I've learned a lot of interesting stuff reading BQ. dougP On Apr 5, 7:47 pm, Matt Critchlow matt.critch...@gmail.com wrote: completely agree. the BW is part of the charm to me. Great magazine!! On Apr 5, 7:38 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Apr 5, 2010, at 4:54 PM, jan_heine wrote: Color would be nice, but it's terribly expensive. We offer color in our books, which can be sold over a longer period of time, and thus amortize the cost. IMHO the BW has a certain niftiness that color just doesn't have. Don't sweat it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Thanks for the recommendations. It looks like Arkel's GT-54 panniers offer the best of both worlds: they have a dry sack integrated into the main compartment, which you can either use or roll up so it is out of the way. But they are extremely expensive at $380. I guess you could just buy a dry bag and put it in a cheaper non-water proof pannier to get the same benefit. Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs. I would like to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs. However, the back of the panniers is black. Why did Ortlieb do that instead of making the whole thing high vis yellow? That is one thing I like about the Arkels: the whole pannier is red and there's lots of reflective striping. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Eric-- I say good move and I think most people (including the people at Riv (warning: speculation)) would do the same thing and that most, good, honest businesses would WANT to give you your money back. There is no blame here-- you ordered something and it changed and you no longer wanted it. That is business. I also say that if you think something is a half-hearted copy then you should say it, and we as fans of Riv should listen. Not everything has to be cheerleading. As long as it is said respectfully, then I think we need to be open to the good and the bad. I like the diagon-apillar 58% as much as the regul-apillar.And I dont get it. And it doesnt seem necessary. And I am not sorry. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Or you could wait till Rivendell finishes their panniers. Check out the new post http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/225 -Manny On Apr 5, 9:29 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the recommendations. It looks like Arkel's GT-54 panniers offer the best of both worlds: they have a dry sack integrated into the main compartment, which you can either use or roll up so it is out of the way. But they are extremely expensive at $380. I guess you could just buy a dry bag and put it in a cheaper non-water proof pannier to get the same benefit. Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs. I would like to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs. However, the back of the panniers is black. Why did Ortlieb do that instead of making the whole thing high vis yellow? That is one thing I like about the Arkels: the whole pannier is red and there's lots of reflective striping. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Grant Post / Tim Wright
Awesome video. I've shown this to a handful of people and they said they could related. On Apr 5, 3:15 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, the video does make one think. And it does make me question some fundamental values I hold dear (which is very good). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 11:10 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: That is a very inspirational video. I'm glad there are people out there who help us focus on the right way to live. Of course I am of like mind but it helps reinforce the lifestyle nontheless. Perhaps all of our's goal for tomorrow should be to inspire someone else in this same way. ~Mike~ On Apr 4, 8:16 pm, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: I just read the Easter post on the Riv homepage. I was intrigued by Tim Wright who was mentioned in the post. A few clicks later, I found this short film about Tim and thought others in the Bunch might enjoy watching it as much as I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeYThaTBaLk-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I also love the charm of getting a BQ in the mail but I still have to disagree. Bike porn is better in color. In particular, I saw color pictures online of the Toei that was reviewed in BQ and I felt that the printed black and white photos really failed to convey the loveliness of the bike. On the other hand, I understand that printed color photos are too expensive. My suggestion would be that BQ articles on new bikes and equipment have an associated online archive of color photos. These would give subscribers a better look and would also serve as online advertising to attract non-subscribers who want to read the details in BQ about the gear in the online photos. Apologies kin advance if this is an old idea, ...Roy On Apr 5, 10:47 pm, Matt Critchlow matt.critch...@gmail.com wrote: completely agree. the BW is part of the charm to me. Great magazine!! On Apr 5, 7:38 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Apr 5, 2010, at 4:54 PM, jan_heine wrote: Color would be nice, but it's terribly expensive. We offer color in our books, which can be sold over a longer period of time, and thus amortize the cost. IMHO the BW has a certain niftiness that color just doesn't have. Don't sweat it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] SoCal Riv Appreciation Society Ride: May 1 or 2
Details posted on the Flickr site: http://tinyurl.com/yfqjuj9 And for those of you who don't like to click links, you will find the details below: OK, this is it folks, the rough riders ride to equal if not beat the best of the best. You will not be sorry, unless you don't come. We're going to do a version of the Boulder Creek Loop that the Rough Riders did last July: http://www.xo-1.org/2009_07_01_archive.html This version will be shorter than the original RR version at only 40+ miles and 5000 feet of climbing, but will involve more dirt. About 80-85% dirt. We'll start in the hamlet of Descanso and head north up Boulder Creek Road, as you can see on the map below. However, when we get to Lake Cuyamaca, we we will head south using fire roads rather than the pavement on route 79. (Those with skinnier tires or who are feeling tired can still opt for the pavement of route 79 and end up in the same place). http://ridewithgps.com/routes/51619 Basically, you get about half the ride on super smooth dirt road and the second half on fire road with almost no traffic at all. It's about as good as it gets. The ride itself takes about 5.5hrs+. You will not wish for more. There is one stop for water and food refueling at the half way point. Camelback or 3 bottles recommended. You will climb. If you want to take the fire roads in the second half of the ride, something fatter than 35s is recommended. Otherwise, the pavement may be the better option. Yes, yes, Descanso is far from LA. But just pretend you are a hardened mountain biker. We routinely drive 2.5 hrs up to do the Palm Canyon Epic or SART. It's worth driving for an epic ride! Don't wuss out and make mountain bikers laugh at you because you are afraid to drive or commit a whole day for some nice dirt. We may look into getting a University of San Diego apt/crash pad if folks want to drive up the night before. This depends on folks committing to the ride and expressing an interest in it. If you come the night before, dinner and beer will be scheduled. Finally, please let us know if it would make a difference if we do it on May 1 or 2. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
On Apr 5, 2010, at 10:27 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Paper is good. It's wonderful to find BQ drop thru the mail slot, a bit like Christmas but 4X per year. An e-mail notice that your new BQ is now available in PDF wouldn't be the same. Your current mix and balance of topics suits me. I've learned a lot of interesting stuff reading BQ. I'd pay extra for BQ in PDF! In my opinion, paper periodicals are almost inexcusable from an environmental standpoint. I have few PDF Rivendell Readers in my pocket at all times! Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
The nice thing about a 2-leg stand is that it will hold the bike up when a wheel is removed for repair (you may have to weight front or rear to keep the bike's other wheel on the ground), which in my opinion (opinion only, as I've not yet toured) might be good for loaded touring. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: +1 for the rear mounted stand. I've used a 2-legged ESGE stand and single legged stands on bike tours and, while they are better than no stand at all, they are finicky. I installed a rear triangle stand on my wife's touring bike last summer. She could park on nearly any surface and her bike was stable. I was definitely envious! Patrick - If you have a mount brazed on, I'd love to see the design. Dave On Apr 4, 6:05 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Second, if you leave it long enough, it seems to support even off-center loads far, far better than does a bb-mount 1-leg stand and, I dare say, perhaps even better than a 2-leg stand. I have yet to test it with, say, 25 lb in the leftside pannier, but with 15 lb, it supports the bike fine, especially if you turn the front wheel sharply to the right. I agree with this. They work quite well, even for our tandem when we put a bunch of crap on it. I think that, God willing, I shall have some brazing done to the Motobecane (Riv content: this is a very Riv-ish bike: an upscale racing model that can carry 45 lb of groceries and wear 30 mm tire with fenders). First, a left-rear-triangle kickstand mount. okay - tell me how where you find a mount plate like that? I think it'd be great to have a kickstand plate mounted there but I have no idea how it would work. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Carradice Super C's and/or Kendall panniers hands down. I'll never own a non-canvas bag again after using these for the last few years. Also, there are Sackville panniers coming soon. I'd recommend those without even seeing them. S. On Apr 5, 12:30 am, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: +1 for the Carridice Super C's in the non category. Get'em from Wiggle and save a bundle The Arkels are nice too but much more $$. That said, just had this exact conversation with friends who just spent 3 years biking around the world and they, and they claim the around-the-world set, say it is Ortlieb hands down. Crossing the Himalaya in winter lends a certain amount of credibility to their recommendation (at least in my opinion). First time I'd ever seriously considered'em. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendel l Ride! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:48 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not hearing about much damage in Tijuana, which is built up with the opposite of strict building codes. :-) Read the Nytimes - a number of buildings and a parking deck collapsed. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
IMO waterproofness is good but not absolutely necessary. I rode a century in an absolute downpour last year. All my stuff in a decidedly non-waterproof Minnehaha pannier stayed dry, except at the bottom where road splash did soak through and dampen some of my extra clothes. This was what I would consider an extreme condition. A friend of mine is planning to roll through his 500,000th mile this summer. He has done many long tours. His approach is to never ride in the rain. If it rains during a tour, he finds a place to wait it out. On Apr 4, 9:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty On Apr 5, 6:33 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will wait until a photo is there before getting too depressed by it. However, it's turning into a different bike than the one I ordered. Really hoping that it is going to be worth the extra wait. And since the seat tube won't be able to take a bottle cage, the shifted 2nd tt will hopefully have cage bosses? Yes, yes, am complaining and whining about this way too much. But now, a 29er mixte. That would be cool. And something I'd ride. A lot. Eric Platt St. Pau, MN On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim Thrill/Hiawatha said...) Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with weight, and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. But the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 2tt (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly turmoil here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
It sounds very cool. I'm glad to hear it's a real thing- it'll make the Hunqapillar that much more unique. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
That is quite an interesting concept... and I like your mock-up! Doesn't seem crude at all. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Good effort. Now, how would it look with the mixte stays added in as well? Pretty good I think and a better support for the seat tube when going trail bombing under big loads From: Marty mgie...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I love it. I'd put $ down on one, made like that. :) Thanks for the Monday morning pick-me-up. From: Marty mgie...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:38:52 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar OK - here you go - even added a second rear brake like the Singer - which BTW is one of my favorite designs... http://tinyurl.com/ydcalff Marty On Apr 5, 8:29 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Good effort. Now, how would it look with the mixte stays added in as well? Pretty good I think and a better support for the seat tube when going trail bombing under big loads From: Marty mgie...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Dude! Marty, you are like, stupid fast with photoshop (or are you using GNU?). Nice work man. Either one looks good IMHO.I've always thought the Alex Singer design was cool. But, if Rivendell does change the design, maybe they should contact the folks who have plunked down their money, and talk to them about it a bit. I think most folks would probably be enthusiastic about the change, but some folks might not be. Matt On Apr 5, 8:38 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: OK - here you go - even added a second rear brake like the Singer - which BTW is one of my favorite designs... http://tinyurl.com/ydcalff Marty On Apr 5, 8:29 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Good effort. Now, how would it look with the mixte stays added in as well? Pretty good I think and a better support for the seat tube when going trail bombing under big loads From: Marty mgie...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Marty those are off the chain. That Hunq has a trunq of funq. Make sure you let Keven know those exist. Your mockups could shape the future! On Apr 5, 6:17 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Dude! Marty, you are like, stupid fast with photoshop (or are you using GNU?). Nice work man. Either one looks good IMHO. I've always thought the Alex Singer design was cool. But, if Rivendell does change the design, maybe they should contact the folks who have plunked down their money, and talk to them about it a bit. I think most folks would probably be enthusiastic about the change, but some folks might not be. Matt On Apr 5, 8:38 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: OK - here you go - even added a second rear brake like the Singer - which BTW is one of my favorite designs... http://tinyurl.com/ydcalff Marty On Apr 5, 8:29 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Good effort. Now, how would it look with the mixte stays added in as well? Pretty good I think and a better support for the seat tube when going trail bombing under big loads From: Marty mgie...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Kickstands
It took me only a couple minutes of east bay mud on my new Bombadil to realize that a bottom bracket kickstand plate makes an excellent mud catcher. On Apr 4, 11:05 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE I think that, God willing, I shall have some brazing done to the Motobecane (Riv content: this is a very Riv-ish bike: an upscale racing model that can carry 45 lb of groceries and wear 30 mm tire with fenders). First, a left-rear-triangle kickstand mount. okay - tell me how where you find a mount plate like that? I think it'd be great to have a kickstand plate mounted there but I have no idea how it would work. -sv No idea; I just figure that an interested builder will find a way to do it. Perhaps just a metal plate with a nut of the right size brazed to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Marty's Campeur Hunqa actually looks pretty good. The other one... not so much. I have a feeling the Campeur model would be a little more complicated to produce and so would jack up the price. I also like the bike the way it is with parallel TTs. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Here's a picture of a Alex Singer camping bike from VBQ: http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/CascadeBlewett.jpg --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:25 PM, cyclotourist wrote: Aris Freewheel - NIB - 7spd, 13-24 - $20 If that is unclaimed, I'll take it. My favorite freewheel! Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I know a lot of folks here read Vintage Bicycle Quarterly. A friend received the latest issue on 04/03. I imagine mine should arrive today. Beth H's Rivendell is featured in this issues My Favorite Bike article. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 55cm A Homer Hilsen and miscellaneous parts
FOR SALE: A Homer Hilsen bicycle (mostly complete): This is one of the handful of 55cm A Homer Hilsen frames that Rivendell built for 700c wheels. (This model normally starts at 57cm in the 700c wheel size.) The bike is in very good condition. Wheels were trued recently and roll like new. Everything is in normal working order. No dents. There are scratches on the eyelets from mounting racks/fenders. There is some paint chipping on the right chain stay from chain slap - see photo (I removed the new chainstay protector for a photo and will include a new brown leather protector). ***The crankset, pedals and saddle are not included or offered for sale. Asking $1600 (includes professional packing/shipping in conUS) pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988...@n06/sets/72157623760657442/ TT length is 55.5cm. SO height 80cm ST is 55cm (c-t) Head Angle 72 Seat Angle 72 Fork Rake 52 CS Length 45 BB Drop 8.0 parts included: 55cm AHH frameset with Ultegra headset. year 2008. serial number AH0084 Tektro R556 brakes with Koolstop pads. Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11cm stem Nitto Randonneur handlebars 45cm Shimano Tiagra aero levers Silver downtube shifters Shimano bottom bracket 68x113 Deore LX rear derailleur, rapid rise, long cage. IRD Alpina front derailleur Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost Mavic Open Sport rims on Shimano XT hubs built by Harris Cyclery. Tires Panaracer Pasela 700x37 (less than 100 miles), misc tubes and rim tape. 12-27 9 speed cassette Cateye Strada computer King bottle cage 9 speed chain (about 500 miles on it) new cables and housing new cloth handlebar wrap I'm also cleaning out the parts bin: Prices include shipping. All items are used and in good condition except where noted: - Ritchey Speedmax Cross Comp 700x40 tires - maybe 50 miles on these $35/pair - Dura Ace track cogs 3/32 in 15T, 16T, 17T, black $7 each - PrincetonTec Switchback 3 light with all accessories in box $95 - cork Grips, new $6 - clothe tape, new: 2 rolls dark blue $5, 2 rolls aqua $5 - front brake, Shimano BR-A550 short reach side pull w/ salmon brake pads $10 - generic threadless stem. 120mm 40 degree. black. 1 1/8, includes shim for 1inch tube $12 - fix/free wheelset. Mavic CXP22 rims on Formula hubs (120mm, re- spaced to 130mm) - well-used. rear track nuts work but are beat up. $50/set Payment by Paypal. Contact off list steve...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
On Apr 5, 5:03 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO waterproofness is good but not absolutely necessary. I would add that this depends on where you live. I'd guess Minnesota has more dry days than Oregon does. I've tried a number of panniers and keep coming back to these: http://citybikes.coop/buckets.html We've been making and selling these for almost 20 years. Lots of folks make variations on this design (most notably in our region, the Cobb Oyster Buckets, which have some differences in the handle and lid functions but otherwise work just the same and last just as long). We source our buckets from various food vendors around town, clean them, add hardware and decals and voila! Instant pannier. My first pair lasted about 12 years before they were stolen. They were replaced with a custom set about six years ago, courtesy of a co- worker who knew I liked blue: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/3296262962/ -- they are still going strong. I like Bike Buckets because they are sturdy, waterproof (well, unless you throw them in the river, because water will seep through the shock- cord holes, but yeah, otherwise they keep everything really dry), and carry a lot of stuff easily. And they last for ages. True, they're not for the bag matcher set; but on some level I still think they're quite Rivendellian. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
Hi Tim, it's been sold. Thanks for the interest! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:25 PM, cyclotourist wrote: Aris Freewheel - NIB - 7spd, 13-24 - $20 If that is unclaimed, I'll take it. My favorite freewheel! Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Mid-head tube to mid-seat tube makes more sense to me than the parallel top tubes. Imagine a frame built with only the diagonal tube, no top tube or down tube. If you grabbed the head tube and seat tube and tried to twist them side to side so that they were not parallel, the diagonal tube would be in the best place to resist that force. Moving that tube higher or lower on the seat tube would make it less effective. In a tandem, that is the function of a 'marathon' tube that runs from the head tube to the middle of the rear seat tube - it keeps the stoker's seat tube in plane with the head tube by resisting twist. Adding the down and top tubes back to that imaginary frame would keep the seat and head tubes from flexing fore-and-aft, and keep the BB stable under pedaling loads. Most modern tandems followed Santana's lead and went away from using the marathon tube. They use a 'direct lateral' tube from the head tube to the stoker's bottom bracket instead. That arrangement is better at keeping the captain's bottom bracket from swaying, and allowed more convenient bottle placement (no telling which factor was more important). An oversized top tube is used to resist the twisting forces. That arrangement has no place in a single IMO, as BB stiffness is not a real issue. Calfee's CF tandems have no middle tubes at all, they use huge top and boom tubes to keep everything stiff enough. The question to me is, how big does a rider or a touring load need to be to need the extra stiffness of the diagonal tube? At what point does the weight of the diagonal tube become less than the extra thickness / diameter of the top and down tubes needed to achieve comparable stiffness in a plain diamond frame? Moot point for me, I'd fit a 54 Hunka so no diagonal tube for me. Bill On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: parallel with the down tube might look pretty snazzy. best, andrew On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:52 PM, cyclotourist wrote: No Kevin, don't do it. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Fits the bike. Truly unique. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 9:30 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim Thrill/Hiawatha said...) Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with weight, and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. But the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 2tt (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly turmoil here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
I'm waiting for the Acorn panniers. Not that they've been announced or anything but I'm hoping. Rick On Apr 5, 10:16 am, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 5, 5:03 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO waterproofness is good but not absolutely necessary. I would add that this depends on where you live. I'd guess Minnesota has more dry days than Oregon does. I've tried a number of panniers and keep coming back to these: http://citybikes.coop/buckets.html We've been making and selling these for almost 20 years. Lots of folks make variations on this design (most notably in our region, the Cobb Oyster Buckets, which have some differences in the handle and lid functions but otherwise work just the same and last just as long). We source our buckets from various food vendors around town, clean them, add hardware and decals and voila! Instant pannier. My first pair lasted about 12 years before they were stolen. They were replaced with a custom set about six years ago, courtesy of a co- worker who knew I liked blue: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/3296262962/ -- they are still going strong. I like Bike Buckets because they are sturdy, waterproof (well, unless you throw them in the river, because water will seep through the shock- cord holes, but yeah, otherwise they keep everything really dry), and carry a lot of stuff easily. And they last for ages. True, they're not for the bag matcher set; but on some level I still think they're quite Rivendellian. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list, so my vote is more theoretical. Two other observations in this discussion though: This is the second Riv frame that seems to be getting significant input from someone other than Grant (Rodeo designed by Mark, Keven at least some decisions on this one). Maybe this has happened before with less discussion, but it's interesting that it's part of the conversation with these frames. Also, if the 2nd top tube angle changes, will the decal have to change so the 2nd line in the Hunq's H matches it? (in the 2tt world, i like that this logo mirrors the frame) -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty On Apr 5, 6:33 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will wait until a photo is there before getting too depressed by it. However, it's turning into a different bike than the one I ordered. Really hoping that it is going to be worth the extra wait. And since the seat tube won't be able to take a bottle cage, the shifted 2nd tt will hopefully have cage bosses? Yes, yes, am complaining and whining about this way too much. But now, a 29er mixte. That would be cool. And something I'd ride. A lot. Eric Platt St. Pau, MN On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim Thrill/Hiawatha said...) Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with weight, and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. But the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 2tt (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly turmoil here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
I'm a fan of the Ortliebs. Mainly due to the ease of cleaning the outside of winter grit and grime. In absolute terms, have a set of Arkel Sackaroos I purchased from Jim a few years ago. They work as fine as anything. Even with the basic attachement system, haven't had problems. Did have my hobo bag soak through on a 60 miler last year. Probably the same day Jim mentions. On Apr 5, 7:03 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO waterproofness is good but not absolutely necessary. I rode a century in an absolute downpour last year. All my stuff in a decidedly non-waterproof Minnehaha pannier stayed dry, except at the bottom where road splash did soak through and dampen some of my extra clothes. This was what I would consider an extreme condition. A friend of mine is planning to roll through his 500,000th mile this summer. He has done many long tours. His approach is to never ride in the rain. If it rains during a tour, he finds a place to wait it out. On Apr 4, 9:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm A Homer Hilsen and miscellaneous parts
Steve that is a damn gorgeous bike I am sure it will find a good home. On Apr 5, 7:16 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops about the wheels. I thought they might be a second, lighter wheelset for the Monocog but then remembered that the Monocog has disk brakes. So, withdraw request for wheels but would like the cogs and the brake. Thanks, PAM On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:56 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: FOR SALE: - Dura Ace track cogs 3/32 in 15T, 16T, 17T, black $7 each - front brake, Shimano BR-A550 short reach side pull w/ salmon brake pads $10 - fix/free wheelset. Mavic CXP22 rims on Formula hubs (120mm, re- spaced to 130mm) - well-used. rear track nuts work but are beat up. $50/set I'll take these. $50 for the *pair* of wheels? Thanks. PAM -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good stuff for sale, no junk, take a look!
I'll take the noodle bars.James On Apr 5, 1:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Updated showing items still available, thanks for the interest! $5 shipping any one item. Saddles are $10 shipping. Two or more items get *FREE *shipping thrown in. Can deliver to San Diego for the show next weekend. Mostly Rivendellish/retro-grouchy parts: Brooks Green B17 - $65 - used, copper dulled on rails, cosmetic only, leather is great! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207648/ Brooks Black Conquest - $75 - used in box - Pre 2000 badge which is kinda' cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490562329/ Nitto Jaguar - $90 - ultimate nice post NIB unused, etc. Masterpiece of seat posts. Full price but free shippinghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490559997/ Tektro interrupter levers - black, logo removed - $15 No Pic Nitto Noodle bars - Very LOW miles - 46cm heat treated - $55 No Pic Shimano Freewheel 6spd MF-HG22 - near new- $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490557039/in/photostream/ 110bcd X 34T chainring - take off from crankset, new but mounted - $10 - $2 shipping http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491209092/ 58bcd X 22T chainring - steel, new - $10http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4490554719/- $2 shipping Mordor influenced CF parts: IRD Pro-Carbon Handlebar - 660 wide, 9^backsweep, 44mm rise, 180 g. - $30 with Titec CF barendshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491207230/ Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost - zigzag from removal on clearcoat $30http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4491201998/ Complete Bike: Trek 330 (Reynolds 531) 24/61cm $300http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3013857978/ Brooks B17, Nitto Noodles/Tech Dlx, Flip/flop single speed hub w/ MA3 rim in rear. No rust, some paint wear, no dings/dents. GREAT single speed or build it back to a traditional tubed road bike! More pics a'comin' on this. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm A Homer Hilsen and miscellaneous parts
Thanks Dan. I debated letting this one go for a long while. It's a wonderful bike. On Apr 5, 10:58 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve that is a damn gorgeous bike I am sure it will find a good home. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm A Homer Hilsen and miscellaneous parts
Sorry, Ryan...not Dan. On Apr 5, 11:17 am, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Dan. I debated letting this one go for a long while. It's a wonderful bike. On Apr 5, 10:58 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve that is a damn gorgeous bike I am sure it will find a good home. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Egglantis
Very nice but I find those thin-wall models very prone to cracking... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Warren Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:57 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Egglantis http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/4491924612/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck riding a special bike. With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the Schwinn Excelsior frame. Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, would make it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a mount like the Topeak Morph series. Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo. Without the extra standover. Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot of money selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I can live happily with. Sigh. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 5, 9:48 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list, so my vote is more theoretical. Two other observations in this discussion though: This is the second Riv frame that seems to be getting significant input from someone other than Grant (Rodeo designed by Mark, Keven at least some decisions on this one). Maybe this has happened before with less discussion, but it's interesting that it's part of the conversation with these frames. Also, if the 2nd top tube angle changes, will the decal have to change so the 2nd line in the Hunq's H matches it? (in the 2tt world, i like that this logo mirrors the frame) -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty On Apr 5, 6:33 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will wait until a photo is there before getting too depressed by it. However, it's turning into a different bike than the one I ordered. Really hoping that it is going to be worth the extra wait. And since the seat tube won't be able to take a bottle cage, the shifted 2nd tt will hopefully have cage bosses? Yes, yes, am complaining and whining about this way too much. But now, a 29er mixte. That would be cool. And something I'd ride. A lot. Eric Platt St. Pau, MN On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim Thrill/Hiawatha said...) Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with weight, and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. But the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 2tt (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly turmoil here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riddle me this.
The money we spend and how we choose to spend it. Sheesh. I have a Joe S./Curt/Joe B. Rivendell custom that was damaged in a collision. While it was away for repair, I put almost all the parts on a (Panasonic-built?) Schwinn World Voyageur frame so I could continue riding to work. It was pretty enough, and rode just fine. One day, without thinking of all the possible ramifications of my words, I remarked to my wife, ³You know, that old Schwinn is about 70% as good a ride as the Rivendell.² Oops. She pulled up short and said, ³Wait. The bike you paid fifty bucks for is two thirds as good as the bike that cost us more than three grand?² After she started talking to me again, we had some long and interesting discussions about nuances of design and craftsmanship and their effect on function and quality of our lives, both individually and as a society. I still have the Riv and still catch myself staring at it, marveling at the details of joinery and paint, and marveling at the ride when astride it. The Schwinn has gone to a deserving home, with no regrets. I will say this: I CANNOT understand how some folks spend so much money on boats and fishing gear. Now that¹s just ridiculous. -- Jon ³Kidding! I kid!² Grant, house-bound in Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Kickstands
Lots of people like the Esge two leg stands. I can only speak from my experience and from comparing parking my wife's bike with parking my bike for two months of touring. She seemed to be able to park anywhere while I had to be a lot more selective. Lifting a wheel clear of the ground was the only good thing I found with a two legged stand. However, with a touring load, I didn't find this all that stable or desireable. Without the panniers (and my panniers take less than a minute to remove), it is just as easy to flip the bike over onto the bars and seat. In my experience with my 60 cm Bombadil, I found the center Esge 2 leg stand to be unstable on anything but dead flat, hard ground. I mention the size of the bike because I wondered whether the height provided a greater lever for destabilizing it. David mentions not being able to use rear triangle stands with a kid trailer. This is true for some set-ups, but not all. For example, Burley makes an axle hitch that substitutes for the classic hitch that would compete for space on the rear triangle with the kickstand. We don't have kids, but we do have a Burley Nomad, and it tows just fine with the axle hitch and the rear kickstand. Dave On Apr 4, 11:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The nice thing about a 2-leg stand is that it will hold the bike up when a wheel is removed for repair (you may have to weight front or rear to keep the bike's other wheel on the ground), which in my opinion (opinion only, as I've not yet toured) might be good for loaded touring. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: +1 for the rear mounted stand. I've used a 2-legged ESGE stand and single legged stands on bike tours and, while they are better than no stand at all, they are finicky. I installed a rear triangle stand on my wife's touring bike last summer. She could park on nearly any surface and her bike was stable. I was definitely envious! Patrick - If you have a mount brazed on, I'd love to see the design. Dave On Apr 4, 6:05 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Second, if you leave it long enough, it seems to support even off-center loads far, far better than does a bb-mount 1-leg stand and, I dare say, perhaps even better than a 2-leg stand. I have yet to test it with, say, 25 lb in the leftside pannier, but with 15 lb, it supports the bike fine, especially if you turn the front wheel sharply to the right. I agree with this. They work quite well, even for our tandem when we put a bunch of crap on it. I think that, God willing, I shall have some brazing done to the Motobecane (Riv content: this is a very Riv-ish bike: an upscale racing model that can carry 45 lb of groceries and wear 30 mm tire with fenders). First, a left-rear-triangle kickstand mount. okay - tell me how where you find a mount plate like that? I think it'd be great to have a kickstand plate mounted there but I have no idea how it would work. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion. I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil-- even if it doesn't improve on it. But if Rivendell's goal is to actually sell some frames, then I think a diagonal 2tt will be a tough sell. But then I thought the Bomadil would be a tough sell, too. Also, unless Rivendell does some testing on the strength differences (do they even have the capability?), I think that using a diagonal 2tt would be a rash decision. As for people like EricP, this new diagonal 2tt idea seems contrary to everything Rivendell said during the pre-order period: 1) Trust us 2) July delivery a good possibility 3) Only minor tweaks I imagine Rivendell would be willing to return deposits--but that won't cure the disappointment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Can't decide if I have a preference between the parallel vs. the diagonal 2nd top tube. Aesthetically, I didn't like the 2nd top tube at all when the first Bombadil pictures dropped. Now I don't mind it. In fact I kind of like how it looks. I kind of think that the diagonal 2tt might grow on me in the same way. Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I don't post very often (Jim pointed out there's an endless footer attached to my messages when I do!), but let me offer the opinion of an Atlantis and Bombadil owner (which means that I ain't buying one no matter what the decision is): I think the diagonal 2tt (the Campeur approach) is extremely attractive, AND cool, AND very likely highly, highly functional. For those who agree with the first two judgments (and there will obviously be disagreements), it is a grand slam home run. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of happyriding Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion. I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil-- even if it doesn't improve on it. But if Rivendell's goal is to actually sell some frames, then I think a diagonal 2tt will be a tough sell. But then I thought the Bomadil would be a tough sell, too. Also, unless Rivendell does some testing on the strength differences (do they even have the capability?), I think that using a diagonal 2tt would be a rash decision. As for people like EricP, this new diagonal 2tt idea seems contrary to everything Rivendell said during the pre-order period: 1) Trust us 2) July delivery a good possibility 3) Only minor tweaks I imagine Rivendell would be willing to return deposits--but that won't cure the disappointment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
