CSSafety Lectures, Not a lecture, just a few points
Morning Kathryn Interesting message for sure. At 02:31 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Usually, I am not easily scared- but fussing around with high voltage is one of my sticking points. I have done a little neon signage, so have been around HV transformers, but boy, it seems to me there is little forgiveness there. I have great respect for high voltage. Usually, the more you know, the more safety conscious you become. Some people that know very little, should leave power circuits alone. One person called me and said his electric heater shocked him at times. He had connected it into 480, 3 phase thinking he connected it into 240 VAC. He had the HIGH LEG, ( Center Conductor ) connected to the case or the electric heater. He had no ground, and the highest voltage connected to the case, and it had been that way for some time. A Death TRAP, I could not have made one better. The other time I got scared was when I was carrying a g-pick on a mountain top in the High Sierra when a thunderstorm came up. High voltage gives me the willies. Funny, . indeed. Be glad the willies is all you got. I wish I knew how much voltage got me when I got the indirect hit by lightening. I could taste blood in my mouth, and the deadness lasted for about 3 hours in the side of my head and face. And all that came down the phone line. Small wires but a large shock. But then again, AC is said to be more deadly. Your safety lecture would be appropriate here, thanks. I would not want to bore the list with all the safety warnings about AC, Power wiring, High voltage, medium voltage, and low voltage. ( low voltage as applied to power wiring) The reason being, most people that work with this, know safety, and are well versed in the required safety habits. If they are still alive, they are doing it right, most of the time. The ideas I have for the list relate to the small things that many take for granted, they see them every day, and do not consider them any hazard or threat. Most relate to fire safety, life safety, and not to shock hazards. I have seen many example, fires started, by most things I will mention. This includes a term or two, I have never seen mentioned on the list, in many thousands of messages. I still believe, the more we learn, the older we get, the more safety conscious we become. When I passed 1 million miles driving, I began to think Safety. Then, at 1.5 million miles, I learned how to spell safety. Finally, a Question for the Engineers, and anyone else. Why is Romex Cable Approved for the building I sleep in, . Yet, Not approved for the building I work in, and I am wide awake All day long ? I do not need a legal answer, ... but a Safety related answer. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgenerator advice? ( Safety Lectures )
Electronics technicians and others who get military training learn that radar units can hold a deadly charge long, long after power is cut off. It's standard operating procedure to drain the voltage off before starting any repair work. Probably true of other devices as well. Your caution is well-justified. This is one area in which ignorance can be deadly. On Thursday, Sep 11, 2008, at 04:31 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote: Usually, I am not easily scared- but fussing around with high voltage is one of my sticking points. I have done a little neon signage, so have been around HV transformers, but boy, it seems to me there is little forgiveness there. I have great respect for high voltage. The other time I got scared was when I was carrying a g-pick on a mountain top in the High Sierra when a thunderstorm came up. High voltage gives me the willies. But then again, AC is said to be more deadly. Your safety lecture would be appropriate here, thanks. Kathryn On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Chuck, At 11:22 AM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Here, Neville, Just for your consternation: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Careful, now. Very good indeed. Well said, and I understand it. I have some high voltage sign transformers, Not sure of the output, but I can find out. I suggest that Neville leave it alone, until he fully understands Ohms Law ! I have not got around to my Safety Lecture yet, but am working on it. To be thinking about A resistor or a diode can kill you. Many think NOT, but I will tell you how. Please, .. do not disagree with me, ... Yet ! grin After you see the facts, then I welcome the disagreement. Of course knowing you, .. you will disagree now and later. Be my guest ! Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgenerator advice?
You haven't seen my pies...! - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? You'll do OK, but Damn! Neville, gotta keep correcting you... Pie R Round! Chuck Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? On 9/10/2008 8:07:58 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: Morning Chuck, Hey, that was great, can't wait to get a pair of wire cutters and getting stuck into that! Of course I will use my multimeter to check the milli volts, macro watts and multiple amps first using ohms law...what was that again, oh, yeah, diameter = pi r squared...! I'll make that my next project, what do you reckon? Neville(ROFL) - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:52 AM Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? Here, Neville, Just for your consternation: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Careful, now. Chuck Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1663 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 7:04 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver Digest and Microsoft Outlook
I've sent Helen a private mail encouraging her to switch to the regular list rather than the digest, then training her e-mail program to sort incoming mail so any message with CS in the Subject goes to a separate message folder. She's using Outlook Express, which, thanks to Microsoft's stubborn stupidity, is incapable of handling MIME formatted digests in a usable way. While the best thing might be to dump Outlook, the shorter solution is the above. Instructions for managing your subscription and for training Outlook Express to sort incoming mail can be found at the Silver List web site: http://www.silverlist.org As always, I'm here if anybody needs assistance. Peace, Mike D. silver-list owner NOW THAT I HAVE THE E-MAILHow do I go about accessing the info = I tried to click on the the e-mail address , but all I would be able to do is send an e-mail - nothing to click on so I can read their comments. How do I do thisThis is my first group. Helen Campbell St Petersburg Fla - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #538 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2008 #538- helen
Hi Helen, I am not sure what is going on. I do not see any messages at all. Which mail program are you using? Kathryn On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Helen Campbell wrote: NOW THAT I HAVE THE E-MAILHow do I go about accessing the info = I tried to click on the the e-mail address , but all I would be able to do is send an e-mail - nothing to click on so I can read their comments. How do I do thisThis is my first group. Helen Campbell St Petersburg Fla - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #538 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner]For any newcomers...
Hi Folks, In case there are any newcomers lurking, let me describe to you what usually goes on here... Right now we're averaging around a couple dozen posts per day. Usually a good third to half of messages at this traffic level will be on topics not directly related to Colloidal Silver; mostly other health- related questions brought up by our members, and some chit-chat and other noise. If things get too busy, I'll step in to rein in some of the off topic stuff, but usually I let things be until then. If you need and want information about our main topic, CS, please say hello and ask some questions! Otherwise we'll keep talking about whatever's on people's minds and you'll have to wait until somebody *else* asks a CS-related question to learn anything you might want to know. There's some good folks here, ready to help. Let us know you're there. Peace, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgenerator advice? ( Safety Lectures )Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:31 PM
Dear Silver List, I would be more concerned with Capacitors as to being a potentially fatal electrical component. Capacitors used in power supplies, especially, can hold charges for long periods of time (weeks and longer) even when the appliance is unplugged. Capacitors can even after being discharged re-energize to be a shock hazard, potentially injurious ones at that. You don't see Caps (as capacitors are sometimes called) in most Colloidal Silver Generators; you will see them used in high voltage devices. The Secondary windings on transformers are the next most dangerous electrocution hazard (the device is plugged into an electrical outlet). I am personally more attentive (read afraid) of DC Voltages than AC. AC can hurt you, but DC grips onto until you are good and end. High Voltage, AC or DC, is best left to the trained professional. A GFI (Ground Fault Indicator) outlet will trip with an AC fault or short and provide some protection against AC (think hair dryer or radio falling into a bathtub or sink), but a GFI provides no protection against DC shorts or faults. (No AC fault to trip the protection) Not to steal Wayne's thunder, here are my safety list for working on any electrical circuit: 1. Do not work when you are Tired, Inebriated, or Upset. 2. Remove all jewelry, including wedding rings. 3. Wear Rubber Sole Shoes. (A rubber mat in addition is smart when working on a cement floor.) 4. Have the device on a wooden or other non conductive workbench. 5. If you have long hair, tie it back 6. Never trust an on/off switch, unplug from the outlet.. 7. If you have to reach into the device when it is plugged in, keep one hand in your pocket. I also use rubber gloves (the thick type used for washing dishes). 8. A chopstick is better than a hand in most instances to poke around in the above case. 9. Wear Safety Goggles one soldering. Never Solder into a live (plugged in) Circuit. 9. Never work when distracted (TV show, Nagging spouse or kids, Talking on the Telephone). But the most Important rule is: 10. If you don't have a clue what you are doing, stop and find someone who does. It is cheaper in the long run. (Funerals can be quite expensive.) Resistors and diodes threat vanishes (unless tied to a Cap) as soon as the power chord is removed from the outlet. We use to joke Resistors are more likely to be fatal if swallowed (choking hazard), diodes likewise. Steve Foss
RE: CSgenerator advice?
Actually, this is a very easy modification to a microwave. Plus is already has a built in timer and the variable power levels can be used to provide pulsing of the CS generation (for whatever that's worth). You will have to disable the carrousel function. What are the chances of ionization of the water? - Steve N -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? Here, Neville, Just for your consternation: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Careful, now. Chuck Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Good thing that Cancer Video was cured!... Dan From: csa...@netzero.net [mailto:csa...@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHemp Oil Cures Cancer Video Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cance r
CSthinking of those of us in the gulf
Wayne, and the rest of the list in the way of all the rain, We are thinking of you, and hoping it goes well. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS( Safety Lectures ) Wednesday, Thur, September 11, 1718 PM
Evening Steve, Not to steal Wayne's thunder, here are my safety list for working on any electrical circuit: Of course not. How can anyone have too much safety. At 02:21 PM 9/11/2008, you wrote: I was aware of everything you said, . I simply did not deduct that anyone here would be working with some of these things. I have been shocked with 750 VDC. Only once, I did not stay connected long, it knocked me all the way across the room. I would be more concerned with Capacitors as to being a potentially fatal electrical component. Capacitors used in power supplies, especially, can hold charges for long periods of time (weeks and longer) even when the appliance is unplugged. Capacitors can even after being discharged re-energize to be a shock hazard, potentially injurious ones at that. True indeed. I have some new capacitors, rated at 5000 V I think, and others that are the largest I have seen, other than coupling capacitors for power systems. Likely you have seen them, Capacitor Rooms, a room full of capacitors that make your hair stand up, even at the door. Not for the faint hearted. You don't see Caps (as capacitors are sometimes called) in most Colloidal Silver Generators; you will see them used in high voltage devices. The Secondary windings on transformers are the next most dangerous electrocution hazard (the device is plugged into an electrical outlet). Many do not understand that, of course. Now, . how many Step Down Transformers, with the intended primary of 480 VAC, have you seen, that was connected backwards ? The 480 was connected to the secondary. This made the turns ratio reversed. Instead of the 480 being stepped down, it was in fact, stepped up. That is a gosh awful situation. A man that worked for me, not as knowledgeable as he should be, tried to measure the output, .. not knowing that the voltage was several thousand volts. Of course the meter melted down, and went up in smoke. The man was lucky. Always beware of the people there before you. I am personally more attentive (read afraid) of DC Voltages than AC. AC can hurt you, but DC grips onto until you are good and end. High Voltage, AC or DC, is best left to the trained professional. I am not afraid of any of them. I did not say, .. I have no respect. I have high voltage probes, rubber gloves ( with leather on top of the rubber ) and have serviced and calibrated high voltage test equipment. I stand on a rubber mat, touch nothing with the power applied, and I do discharge capacitors. I connect services, with power on, directly from the pole. I did not say I like to do this or that I do it often. Only in rare cases, do I get backed into the corner. A GFI (Ground Fault Indicator) outlet will trip with an AC fault or short and provide some protection against AC (think hair dryer or radio falling into a bathtub or sink), but a GFI provides no protection against DC shorts or faults. (No AC fault to trip the protection) You could have made the most important statement about them. They offer protection from the Power Wire ( called HOT by some ) to the neutral, but offer zero protection from the power wire to ground. They could do both. Not sure why they are not designed to do so. I have installed many of these in mission critical applications. Yes, I know the specifications of the devices. Still, I built my own tester for GFCI's. Recorded the results of every one. And I looked forwarded to the day in court when I could make some attorneys look stupid. I was READY ! Not to steal Wayne's thunder, here are my safety list for working on any electrical circuit: Be my guest ! grin 1. Do not work when you are Tired, Inebriated, or Upset. 2. Remove all jewelry, including wedding rings. 3. Wear Rubber Sole Shoes. (A rubber mat in addition is smart when working on a cement floor.) 4. Have the device on a wooden or other non conductive workbench. 5. If you have long hair, tie it back 6. Never trust an on/off switch, unplug from the outlet.. 7. If you have to reach into the device when it is plugged in, keep one hand in your pocket. I also use rubber gloves (the thick type used for washing dishes). 8. A chopstick is better than a hand in most instances to poke around in the above case. 9. Wear Safety Goggles one soldering. Never Solder into a live (plugged in) Circuit. 9. Never work when distracted (TV show, Nagging spouse or kids, Talking on the Telephone). Very good, very good indeed. I could add one more.. If you do not understand Ohms Law, do not play with Ohms Law gadgets But the most Important rule is: 10. If you don't have a clue what you are doing, stop and find someone who does. It is cheaper in the long run. (Funerals can be quite expensive.) True indeed, but many will not do it. Resistors and diodes threat vanishes (unless tied
Re: CSthinking of those of us in the gulf
Thanks very much, Kathryn, At 03:38 PM 9/11/2008, you wrote: Wayne, and the rest of the list in the way of all the rain, We are thinking of you, and hoping it goes well. I think I am out of danger, unless some eastward changes result. Of course some do already. I have many friends in TX I am worrying about. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Steve, No disrespect, but this is a Very Bad idea for a number of reasons. First, there are nooks and crannies you will never get to where the water will remain; Second, much tap water is fairly conductive and will hide under small electronic components on circuit boards, and in the windings of the high voltage transformer, causing short circuits and very possibly fires and almost certainly destroying the microwave; third, putting the device in the tub, often metal, and with grounded water pipes, almost universal, is an invitation to electrocution. I'm glad you've gotten away with it, but that is probably more a combination of good luck and good (non-conductive) water; fourth, again tap water in contact with the metal of electronic bits and pieces will corrode them, and that corrosion itself will disable the electronics inside in short order. You have definitely horrified me and I'd urge anyone reading your post to check with a local electronic appliance repair shop or TV technician on such a procedure. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:23 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Kathryn, What about a hepa filter 'High Efficiency Particulate Air' vacuum cleaner as well as a more general household hepa filter; Honeywell makes a bunch of these, though I don't know their real - as opposed to advertised - quality. Industrial strength filters are available for applications such as laminar flow hoods with Guarantees of less than one percent of particles under a micron or so size at very low pressure drop across the filter; if I remember correctly, five to ten microns is considered the worst for us mammals w/lungs. Another thought; though common household bleach (Blech!) has a bad rep in many applications, it is about the most effective household disinfectant that dissipates in a reasonable amount of time. Ammonia? Hhmmm, De gustibus non disputandum. After it dries, a week or so? Hhmm again. Cut down on spore dispersal, suck em up while they're a wee bit damp and bound to their companion particles. After all, the trick is not just to kill nasty little life-forms, but to rid your environment of nasty little dead particles left over from god-knows-what nasty little things whether they grew on-site or arrived otherwise. In Almost ALL microwave ovens there is a resistor across the terminals of the high voltage capacitor, called a bleeder resistor and put there solely to 'bleed off the high voltage. There's no sure thing about this, but a competent small appliance repair shop or TV tech. should be able to verify it's there or not, and still functioning or not. Alternatively, the knowledgeable adventurous can take a screwdriver with a good uncracked plastic handle and a piece of insulated electrical wire w/alligator clips on the ends, clip one alligator to the metal blade of the screwdriver, other end to the metal chassis of the microwave oven innards (that's just to reduce the possibility of becoming a bleeder resistor yourself) and touch the metal blade of the screwdriver between both the terminals of the capacitor. If you're not sure what a capacitor looks like, forget the whole crazy idea, it's not worth getting zapped! Other safety hints, stand on dry cardboard, a couple of thicknesses, wear rubber gloves and -soled shoes, one hand behind your back, don't lean on the counter or sink, etc., etc. thimk! Snile!! Some other options; ionic air filters or static precipitators, not just the negative ion generators, which are nice but hardly up to whole room air cleaning, whatever they say; however any of these address the problem of non-biological toxic particles. Almost any surface finish like paint or varnish can be a prob, you probably know most of this stuff already. To get a look at what else may help, check out what commercial mushroom growers go through to prevent contamination. After all, they provide ideal environments for not only their own preferred portobellos but any other wild species of fungal or mycobacterial spore that drifts in to set up it's version of reproduction in paradise. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgenerator advice?
Morning there Steve, Afraid your asking the wrong person there as one article I've read states it's all hoowee! Haven't researched that yet though. I think I would start working on a TENS machine before swinging a pair of wire cutters around inside a microwave. When my 'electronic' tuition classes g have progressed a little further I am going to have a look at how a TENS machine works and see if I can see any parallels, or if they can be utilised similar to normal CS generator. Just a thought, haven't looked at that yet. Maybe someone already has? Can't 'rush' my studies though, need to get a better..'grounding'? in electronics. pun intended. Neville. - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: RE: CSgenerator advice? Actually, this is a very easy modification to a microwave. Plus is already has a built in timer and the variable power levels can be used to provide pulsing of the CS generation (for whatever that's worth). You will have to disable the carrousel function. What are the chances of ionization of the water? - Steve N -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? Here, Neville, Just for your consternation: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Careful, now. Chuck Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Malcolm, True, I may have been lucky but I have also been cautious. I was taught the method by a TV repairman who used on every TV he repaired as a standard practice. BTW, when I said put it in the tub I should have stated that I did not intend it should be a tub filled with water. I was thinking of a shower or pouring water over the microwave to rinse. Yes, tap water is conductive but after drying there is not enough residue left behind to be conductive. One can finish with a distilled water rinse if one is concerned. But if Kathryn is going to spray the insides of a microwave with cleaner, there isn't many options and this is one that I have used many times without problems on many electronic equipment. As you note, drying the unit well is important. No disrespect taken. Cautions are always good. What may be suitable for one person may not be for another and I think one of the strengths of this group is the broad experience and willingness to comment when something doesn't look right. - Steve -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Hi Steve, No disrespect, but this is a Very Bad idea for a number of reasons. First, there are nooks and crannies you will never get to where the water will remain; Second, much tap water is fairly conductive and will hide under small electronic components on circuit boards, and in the windings of the high voltage transformer, causing short circuits and very possibly fires and almost certainly destroying the microwave; third, putting the device in the tub, often metal, and with grounded water pipes, almost universal, is an invitation to electrocution. I'm glad you've gotten away with it, but that is probably more a combination of good luck and good (non-conductive) water; fourth, again tap water in contact with the metal of electronic bits and pieces will corrode them, and that corrosion itself will disable the electronics inside in short order. You have definitely horrified me and I'd urge anyone reading your post to check with a local electronic appliance repair shop or TV technician on such a procedure. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:23 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVarification?
OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a definitive answer I need to ask? One has a circuit...looking at a clock face, (for the purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the input power source, say a 9V battery, (for simplicity), the positive connector is on the right, negative on the leftnow, does the electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. If electricity has no 'particluar' directional 'flow' then I need not ask the second question I have regarding placement of resistors or anything else in a circuit as they will take 'control' anyway, regardless of directional 'flow', (if electricity 'flows'). Sorry for being a time waster but have to ask as I can't find an answer that is definitive enoughmaybe that's the answer to my question right there! There's no 'directional' flow, it just 'completes' a circuit! Similar to the garden hose thing I read about, the water just goes into the circle but can go either direction from the 6:00 position to just meet up somewhere around that clock face to make the circuit complete. Your resident electronics expert...Neville. P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-)
RE: CSgenerator advice?
Yes, it was relatively easy. This was a hot topic on the silver list many years ago when Bob Burger was alive. (save your interesting posts for your own archive) Some were doing high voltage with neon transformers. Duncan Crow came up with this idea utilizing a gutted microwave oven for a HV pulsed DC source. I moved from the neon xfmer method to Duncan's, and have done it that way ever since. Not for complete klutzes of course, but most valuable for competent experimenters. Chuck I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence? On 9/11/2008 3:38:12 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: Actually, this is a very easy modification to a microwave. Plus is already has a built in timer and the variable power levels can be used to provide pulsing of the CS generation (for whatever that's worth). You will have to disable the carrousel function. What are the chances of ionization of the water? - Steve N -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? Here, Neville, Just for your consternation: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Careful, now. Chuck Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1665 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 7:00 PM
Re: CScoins vs. wire
My hole is right on edge I do not always fill water to the silver wire, when I do not have a problem. I have a Love distiller that I use but I only put in 3 instead of 4 quarts water. If I fill more it seems to boil some of the minerals into the condenser on top. No build up I have a unit that switches Polarity every 60 seconds. I basically never clean any thing, I just filter the CS through 3 brown coffee filter papers. I also have several home made generators using a low voltage DC source and a Current limiting Diode (around 1 Mill amp). On these I just wipe off silver and still run through the filters. The thing about small DC power sources are I have a 9 Volt that puts out close to 24 volts DC at 1 Mill Amp draw. When you look at rating on power supply the voltage rating is at the Listed current draw. Less draw means higher voltage. Been looking for a 24 volt DC at around 1000 Mill amps to see how high the voltage is. These are the cheap powers supply not all will spike real high. The current limiters are just 2 to 4 dollars and the powers supplies are available all over for a few bucks, sometimes less than a dollar at Flea Markets, or swap meets. For $5 you can build a CS generator with current control. It is interesting to watch using a volt meter as coins are moved closer together the voltage goes down to limit current to rating on limiters. As you move silver apart voltage goes up. The max voltage is at no flow, but 1 mill amp is so little current the voltage drops vary little. The 9 volt power supply I have puts out close to 24 volts at 1 mill amp and is only around 1 volt or less higher at no current flow ( by no current flow I meant just the meter between wire ends). Some day I will have to sit down and draw how to connect up a current limiter and make a less than $5 CS generator. I bought a couple Dozen of current limiters in various sizes .5 to 1.5 Mill amps just to have around for emergencies or some that wants a cheap generator. Bob **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
CSArticle: Nanoscale silver: No silver lining?
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Re: CSVarification?
Neville, The flow is whatever you need it to be as long as you're consistent while you're working this particular circuit. There are two theories depending on whether you're doing electronics or doing electrician. Both will work, but the assumed flows are opposite of each other. Pick one, I suggest electronic, and stick with it until much later. You really can't do both unless you're an engineer. Hint: look up Maxwells mesh equations. Maybe on wikipedia. Chuck Women like silent men, they think they're listening. On 9/11/2008 7:52:19 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a definitive answer I need to ask? One has a circuit...looking at a clock face, (for the purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the input power source, say a 9V battery, (for simplicity), the positive connector is on the right, negative on the leftnow, does the electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. If electricity has no 'particluar' directional 'flow' then I need not ask the second question I have regarding placement of resistors or anything else in a circuit as they will take 'control' anyway, regardless of directional 'flow', (if electricity 'flows'). Sorry for being a time waster but have to ask as I can't find an answer that is definitive enoughmaybe that's the answer to my question right there! There's no 'directional' flow, it just 'completes' a circuit! Similar to the garden hose thing I read about, the water just goes into the circle but can go either direction from the 6:00 position to just meet up somewhere around that clock face to make the circuit complete. Your resident electronics expert...Neville. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1665 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 7:00 PM
Re: CScoins vs. wire
I like it. - Original Message - From: sickleave48...@aol.com sickleave48...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu Sep 11 19:32:47 2008 Subject: Re: CScoins vs. wire My hole is right on edge I do not always fill water to the silver wire, when I do not have a problem. I have a Love distiller that I use but I only put in 3 instead of 4 quarts water. If I fill more it seems to boil some of the minerals into the condenser on top. No build up I have a unit that switches Polarity every 60 seconds. I basically never clean any thing, I just filter the CS through 3 brown coffee filter papers. I also have several home made generators using a low voltage DC source and a Current limiting Diode (around 1 Mill amp). On these I just wipe off silver and still run through the filters. The thing about small DC power sources are I have a 9 Volt that puts out close to 24 volts DC at 1 Mill Amp draw. When you look at rating on power supply the voltage rating is at the Listed current draw. Less draw means higher voltage. Been looking for a 24 volt DC at around 1000 Mill amps to see how high the voltage is. These are the cheap powers supply not all will spike real high. The current limiters are just 2 to 4 dollars and the powers supplies are available all over for a few bucks, sometimes less than a dollar at Flea Markets, or swap meets. For $5 you can build a CS generator with current control. It is interesting to watch using a volt meter as coins are moved closer together the voltage goes down to limit current to rating on limiters. As you move silver apart voltage goes up. The max voltage is at no flow, but 1 mill amp is so little current the voltage drops vary little. The 9 volt power supply I have puts out close to 24 volts at 1 mill amp and is only around 1 volt or less higher at no current flow ( by no current flow I meant just the meter between wire ends). Some day I will have to sit down and draw how to connect up a current limiter and make a less than $5 CS generator. I bought a couple Dozen of current limiters in various sizes .5 to 1.5 Mill amps just to have around for emergencies or some that wants a cheap generator. Bob Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514 .
Re: CSVarification?
No worries Chuck. It's just that I am concentrating on 'flow' because when I hook the meter up to measure something, (can't remember what at the moment), and I hook the pos and neg probes...like so...I get no reading and when I reverse probes from neg to pos...like so...I then do get a reading, this is why I asked about electricity 'flowing' in a directional manner. I just thought if I understood 'flow' then everything else would fall into place easier. Yep, it's OK, leave it with me, I'll look at the Maxwell thing. N. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: CSVarification? Neville, The flow is whatever you need it to be as long as you're consistent while you're working this particular circuit. There are two theories depending on whether you're doing electronics or doing electrician. Both will work, but the assumed flows are opposite of each other. Pick one, I suggest electronic, and stick with it until much later. You really can't do both unless you're an engineer. Hint: look up Maxwells mesh equations. Maybe on wikipedia. Chuck -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgenerator advice?
Do you really get good CS in just a few minutes? Microwaves are a dime a dozen at thrift shops. And I am finding myself needing to make more all the time to give to family and friends. - Steve N - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu Sep 11 19:23:29 2008 Subject: RE: CSgenerator advice? Yes, it was relatively easy. This was a hot topic on the silver list many years ago when Bob Burger was alive. (save your interesting posts for your own archive) Some were doing high voltage with neon transformers. Duncan Crow came up with this idea utilizing a gutted microwave oven for a HV pulsed DC source. I moved from the neon xfmer method to Duncan's, and have done it that way ever since. Not for complete klutzes of course, but most valuable for competent experimenters. Chuck I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence? On 9/11/2008 3:38:12 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: Actually, this is a very easy modification to a microwave. Plus is already has a built in timer and the variable power levels can be used to provide pulsing of the CS generation (for whatever that's worth). You will have to disable the carrousel function. What are the chances of ionization of the water? - Steve N -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? Here, Neville, Just for your consternation: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Careful, now. Chuck Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?
Re: CSVarification?
Hi Neville, As a book I once saw had for a title There Are No Electrons g We think there are, they are an explanatory device to help us navigate a world of Energy we try to fiddle with - - well, I see I've run over your word limit. . . . . . On the other hand, there ARE holes; Oh yes, the very definitive Lack of electrons. Holes are hungry, or so it seems to us, they are hungry for - you guessed it - electrons, [which is why there are no electrons, I guess, sort of like pac-man munching along.] [Except, maybe, at the philosophical 'zero point', the very belly button of quantum creation, but I digress.] Now if the wholly (err,) imaginary electrons are for some mysterious reason going from 'negative' (another mythological construct) to 'positive' is it not reasonable to expect the holes would do the opposite in their ravenous hunt?? 'Course it is! Which is really the electricity though, clock- or counter-? Well, like at the ZP, it all happens at once, both ways. And indeed these conceptual entities are not waiting in some conceptual energy buckets you could pour out into a wire through the electron or hole funnels, they are already everywhere, and tend toward equilibrium. Various influences including our tendency to meddle with stuff, disturbs this energy equilibrium, and we make use of the disequilibrium for our own nefarious purposes. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:22 +0930, Neville wrote: OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a definitive answer I need to ask? One has a circuit...looking at a clock face, (for the purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the input power source, say a 9V battery, (for simplicity), the positive connector is on the right, negative on the leftnow, does the electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. If electricity has no 'particluar' directional 'flow' then I need not ask the second question I have regarding placement of resistors or anything else in a circuit as they will take 'control' anyway, regardless of directional 'flow', (if electricity 'flows'). Sorry for being a time waster but have to ask as I can't find an answer that is definitive enoughmaybe that's the answer to my question right there! There's no 'directional' flow, it just 'completes' a circuit! Similar to the garden hose thing I read about, the water just goes into the circle but can go either direction from the 6:00 position to just meet up somewhere around that clock face to make the circuit complete. Your resident electronics expert...Neville. P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVarification?
Well that's the meter's fault, it's actually kinda handy when the little minus sign shows up to tell me which side is what, or not, to show the opposite. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 10:46 +0930, Neville wrote: No worries Chuck. It's just that I am concentrating on 'flow' because when I hook the meter up to measure something, (can't remember what at the moment), and I hook the pos and neg probes...like so...I get no reading and when I reverse probes from neg to pos...like so...I then do get a reading, this is why I asked about electricity 'flowing' in a directional manner. I just thought if I understood 'flow' then everything else would fall into place easier. Yep, it's OK, leave it with me, I'll look at the Maxwell thing. Oh by all means, we'll hear from you in a few years; how Are you at multivariable vector calculus, btw? g N. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: CSVarification? Neville, The flow is whatever you need it to be as long as you're consistent while you're working this particular circuit. There are two theories depending on whether you're doing electronics or doing electrician. Both will work, but the assumed flows are opposite of each other. Pick one, I suggest electronic, and stick with it until much later. You really can't do both unless you're an engineer. Hint: look up Maxwells mesh equations. Maybe on wikipedia. Chuck -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Steve Norton, Just a brief comment (for me) Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. Uplugged Television Capacitors can carry High Voltage charges for longer than several days. As everyone may know, the first use of Capacitors was to store Electricity. I would worry about the Microwave Caps, too, although I haven't worked on any. Not all TVs and I can only guess Microwaves or not as the case may be have bleeder resistors across the high voltage capacitors to discharge them. Unfortunately Consumer Grade Appliances are dollar driven designs. A manufacture will leave out parts (sometimes call Munzting) to save a pittance. I can and have purchased resistors at a fraction of a penny for manufacturing. Bean Counters working for Mass Market Manufacturers seem to have more control in industrial design than engineers. That fraction of a penny multiplied by 500,000 parts comes to $3,500 at the end of the year for one design alone. In other words to save a few dollars, manufactures will omit parts that would make a design safer. They have consistently done this unless required by regulatory statute for safety concerns. When I work on anything with high voltage caps, I discharge them use using a Snuffer Stick (It has a 200K, 2 watt resistor in series with the nose probe and ground wire to large clip for ground on the other) and then use clip leads on the caps to ground. I haven't worked on Microwaves and bow to your experience in this area. I wouldn't have them in my house for years. I remember all the Pacemaker warnings. Best Regards, Steve Foss
CSRE OT Microwave Guts, etc
Dear Kathryn, I would consider the vapors ammonia solutions as potentional airborne toxins. Just my two cents. Regards, Steve Foss
Re: CSgenerator advice?
A gallon in about 15 minutes. But you have to be clever enough to do it on your own. I'm not comfortable to unleash this on general public. You already have all the info you need, plus add a little experimentation to refine it. Chuck Electricity is really just organized lightning. On 9/11/2008 9:34:26 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: Do you really get good CS in just a few minutes? Microwaves are a dime a dozen at thrift shops. And I am finding myself needing to make more all the time to give to family and friends. - Steve N No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
Re: CSgenerator advice?
Thanks. I could build it after reading the linked instructions. I have bought many old microwaves for the parts, esp. the wonderful transformer inside it. Sometimes rewinding the secondary for a 1500 watt low voltage output. You can really get some amps that way super cheap. My only question was if it was worth it. I probably would have tried it anyway because it is easy and cheap. Thanks, Steve - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu Sep 11 22:12:56 2008 Subject: Re: CSgenerator advice? A gallon in about 15 minutes. But you have to be clever enough to do it on your own. I'm not comfortable to unleash this on general public. You already have all the info you need, plus add a little experimentation to refine it. Chuck Electricity is really just organized lightning. On 9/11/2008 9:34:26 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: Do you really get good CS in just a few minutes? Microwaves are a dime a dozen at thrift shops. And I am finding myself needing to make more all the time to give to family and friends. - Steve N
Re: CSVarification?
Damn..! You know I get lost after 25 words Malcolm, that was my subtle attempt at 'tact' g. Yeah, I probably should have said the clock was full of water already I spose, with a stop valve, which would be the on/off 'switch', yep ok. Now that I understand that I know that it matters not where a resistor is placed as there is no 'directional' flow necessarily, I'm only talking about the little old CS generator here, not multi megawatt power stations. See, to get a better picture of what is going on one, well OK, me, needs to know some raw basics, or kindergarten stuff I guess. Also forgetting some of the 'safety' features, for the want of better words, incorporated into multimeters. N. - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: CSVarification? Hi Neville, As a book I once saw had for a title There Are No Electrons g We think there are, they are an explanatory device to help us navigate a world of Energy we try to fiddle with - - well, I see I've run over your word limit. . . . . . On the other hand, there ARE holes; Oh yes, the very definitive Lack of electrons. Holes are hungry, or so it seems to us, they are hungry for - you guessed it - electrons, [which is why there are no electrons, I guess, sort of like pac-man munching along.] [Except, maybe, at the philosophical 'zero point', the very belly button of quantum creation, but I digress.] Now if the wholly (err,) imaginary electrons are for some mysterious reason going from 'negative' (another mythological construct) to 'positive' is it not reasonable to expect the holes would do the opposite in their ravenous hunt?? 'Course it is! Which is really the electricity though, clock- or counter-? Well, like at the ZP, it all happens at once, both ways. And indeed these conceptual entities are not waiting in some conceptual energy buckets you could pour out into a wire through the electron or hole funnels, they are already everywhere, and tend toward equilibrium. Various influences including our tendency to meddle with stuff, disturbs this energy equilibrium, and we make use of the disequilibrium for our own nefarious purposes. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:22 +0930, Neville wrote: OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a definitive answer I need to ask? One has a circuit...looking at a clock face, (for the purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the input power source, say a 9V battery, (for simplicity), the positive connector is on the right, negative on the leftnow, does the electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. If electricity has no 'particluar' directional 'flow' then I need not ask the second question I have regarding placement of resistors or anything else in a circuit as they will take 'control' anyway, regardless of directional 'flow', (if electricity 'flows'). Sorry for being a time waster but have to ask as I can't find an answer that is definitive enoughmaybe that's the answer to my question right there! There's no 'directional' flow, it just 'completes' a circuit! Similar to the garden hose thing I read about, the water just goes into the circle but can go either direction from the 6:00 position to just meet up somewhere around that clock face to make the circuit complete. Your resident electronics expert...Neville. P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSafety
Evening Wayne, I was aware of everything you said, . I simply did not deduct that anyone here would be working with some of these things. Well someone may have either written about AC colloidal Silver Generators which infers high voltage, or maybe they had a dual power supply (AC rectified into DC to be used in place of batteries) when I quickly perused the list. I have seen other posts referring to converting Microwaves into Colloidal Silver Generators and Gold Generators elsewhere on the internet, so I couldn't keep silent in either case. The subject is bound to come up. You cannot talk about Safety too early. Working on High Voltage Devices can make the incautious unconscious. Or worse (Although High Voltage usually means over a Kilovolt) I have been shocked with 750 VDC. Only once, I did not stay connected long, it knocked me all the way across the room. That happened to a friend of mine, he reached to turn on an electrical switch on a Tube Amp he was repairing and inadvertently discharged a electrolytic filter capacitor. He was knocked over a five foot glass display case, and behind the counter. He only remembers reaching for the switch and the picking himself up off the ground. True indeed. I have some new capacitors, rated at 5000 V I think, and others that are the largest I have seen, other than coupling capacitors for power systems. I have worked only with 600V Capacitors, although I have stacked them to make higher voltage and lower Cap Values. I've worked 1000+V Coupling caps but at lower voltages than 1000V;I use over rated parts in my work. Likely you have seen them, Capacitor Rooms, a room full of capacitors that make your hair stand up, even at the door. Not for the faint hearted. Yes, very briefly, I rather walk in to a room full of Cobras; at least you can get anti-venom. (Grins). Many do not understand that, of course. Now, . how many Step Down Transformers, with the intended primary of 480 VAC, have you seen, that was connected backwards ? The 480 was connected to the secondary. This made the turns ratio reversed. Instead of the 480 being stepped down, it was in fact, stepped up. I have not seen wired backwards unintentionally, I have actually wired two identical transformers one back to back with two transformers to make a composite isolation transformer, or to use one lower voltage and to use the backward transformer for a B+ that I then used with a voltage doubler. Transformers can be used either direction depending on what you are trying to do. That is a gosh awful situation. A man that worked for me, not as knowledgeable as he should be, tried to measure the output, not knowing that the voltage was several thousand volts. Of course the meter melted down, and went up in smoke. The man was lucky. I had only one meter melt down on me. I was working with a transformer that had wrong specifications, 32 Volts AC but the amperage was higher than rated on its specification sheet, (it was actually 12 amps) over the rating of my DVM. On the higher voltage that needs to be tested I use insulated probes on my HP VTVM (Vacuum Tube Voltage Meter). Its rated to 1000V higher Amps than many of the conventional VOM or DVM you can buy at a Radio Shack. Always beware of the people there before you. Too true. I am not afraid of any of them. I did not say, .. I have no respect.I have high voltage probes, rubber gloves ( with leather on top of the rubber ) and have serviced and calibrated high voltage test equipment. Maybe I was being melodramatic, I work with circuits (but not into the Kilovolts) lets say I have equal respect for AC DC, but I respect more DC as I work in higher DC voltages than AC. Either could injury the inattentive. I stand on a rubber mat, touch nothing with the power applied, and I do discharge capacitors. An extra layer of protection is just that, it helps but isn't 100%. Just trying to eliminate another path to ground. Beats the Air Force method of Grounding your probe arm by physically making contact with a surface. I connect services, with power on, directly from the pole. I did not say I like to do this or that I do it often. Only in rare cases, do I get backed into the corner. In our part of California, they make the electric company switch of the power. Inconvenience is better than liability. The Electric Company's line, We had to turn off someone else power to install yours. You could have made the most important statement about them. They offer protection from the Power Wire ( called HOT by some ) to the neutral, but offer zero protection from the power wire to ground. A very good point, which I omitted in my haste, along with Don't bet on a GFIC to protect you in every instance. They could do both. Not sure why they are not designed to do so. I don't know the answer to that question, either. Maybe the design engineers thought
