RE: CSLyme disease

[Neville Munn]

Very good Dave, Thanks for that.

 

From my experience both forms serve a purpose, dependant on the circumstance 
for which either is being used.

 

Although some have said Lyme is different to our Ross River Fever here {for 
whatever reason}, I find I'm still not entirely convinced, some of the symptoms 
seem very similar, praps our RRF is a mongrel relative maybe?

 

Cheers


N.
 








Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:54:36 -0700
Subject: Re: CSLyme disease
From: davedar...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Neville:
  At the time I was just starting to make my own so I didn't get very well aged 
cs as I used it about as fast as I could make it in Quart batches. When I got 
serious about it I had about 4 Qts ahead ,Later I started making it in gallon 
sun tea jars.
I find it quite difficult to remember exactly as I was going through major 
brain fog at the time.
Dave




On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:


A quick question Dave,
 
Were you making a quantity each day, and consuming it *on the day it was made*? 
or just consumed whatever you had available at the time.

Thanks
  
N.
 






  
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Re: CSLyme disease

[Shiona Phillips]

bodhisattva wrote:

Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I round 
up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero.



OR ...just MAYBE you're method of  calibration  is... 
possibly  totally meaningless amd misleading?



  So either CS wasn't the sole reason you are cured, or you still have 
lyme, or a combination of both.



and  MAYBE  some of your statements also!



To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme with 
just CS,



MAYBE  you have not heard of everything ?


But I will point out, there have been suppressed clinical studies that 
PROVE Negative Ions dramatically improve the absorption and usage of 
VitaminC by the body.



Surprise, surprise!!



Shiona







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Re: CSLyme disease

[Shiona Phillips]

Marshall Dudley wrote:



.  Lyme has a number of hiding places, and cannot be eliminated with a 
protocol that gets them as well, such as the Beck protocol.



Another mistake?  Sounds like you are a bit confused.




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Re: CSLyme disease

[Shiona Phillips]

bodhisattva wrote:

  There is absolutely no statistical odds of that happening unless 
we're tapping the same cosmic wisdom.




OR... unless you are both very confused :)


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CSTyndall effect --- faint red and strong red laser lines

[Garrick]

Hello all,

Is it a waste of time to take week old colloidal silver and try to boost the
uS?

I can make colloidal silver that finishes at 18 uS (using a com-100 meter)
but it is down to 12 uS in five days. The laser pen only makes a faint red
line. *This means ideal particle size? Little agglomeration?*

So a few nights ago I took this 12 uS colloidal silver and used it in the CS
machine and got the uS up to a 17 uS that did not decline so fast. Only
problem is the red laser light was much more noticeable. That Tyndall effect
line was stronger. *Am I wasting my time doing this? Just making the
agglomeration and electro-conductivity greater but not the CS effectiveness?
*

Thanks
Garrick

Re: CSLyme disease

[bodhisattva]

See the interesting thing is..  Marshall, wherever he is in the world, 
runs much of the same figures as I do, and gets the same results.  Thats 
pretty empirical, but so is much of science.


So for example, I calibrate a song, but don't tell him, and in fact, I 
calibrated it 2 years ago!  Then I ask him what he calibrates it at, and 
he is usually absolutely accurate as to what I calibrated it at.  This 
is repeated over and over, and the chances of it - well - being chance, 
is well impossible. What this demonstrates is that cosmic wisdom is 
universal, and complete, and accessible by anyone. But then again, I've 
known that for many years, and have used to it to the betterment of 
humanity as much as possible. That is, the distinguishing from truth vs 
falsehood of anything that exists, or anyone, or whatever anyone says.


This is pretty scary to people that make a living out of lying to 
people, which probably explains why much of this was suppressed by dogma 
and fear tactics. A lot of them head for the hills when they are 
ferreted out using these methods.  But this isn't really anything 
mystical, it's more like re-learning to tap into your intuitive(spirit) 
side of you, rather than your physical(ego) side.  Something I believe 
all humans used to do as a day to day part of life before a concerted 
effort of suppression of spirit began.  If you are stressed, fearful, 
overly busy, confused, have too much mental chatter, or are soundly 
entrenched in the left brain(Ego) then you probably can't even 
understand it, much less believe it.  Therefore you shut off your 
intuitive, and rely solely on your logical for existence, that's hugely 
limiting, especially since the leading brain researchers found that the 
left brain is the seat of pessimism.


Shiona Phillips wrote:

bodhisattva wrote:

  There is absolutely no statistical odds of that happening unless 
we're tapping the same cosmic wisdom.




OR... unless you are both very confused :)


Shiona



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Re: CSLyme disease

[Alan Jones]

Bodhi, what are the limitations of this dowsing/calibration?  For example,
could it be used to determine if a faced down playing card is red or black?

Alan

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:35 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.comwrote:

 See the interesting thing is..  Marshall, wherever he is in the world, runs
 much of the same figures as I do, and gets the same results.  Thats pretty
 empirical, but so is much of science.

 So for example, I calibrate a song, but don't tell him, and in fact, I
 calibrated it 2 years ago!  Then I ask him what he calibrates it at, and he
 is usually absolutely accurate as to what I calibrated it at.  This is
 repeated over and over, and the chances of it - well - being chance, is well
 impossible. What this demonstrates is that cosmic wisdom is universal, and
 complete, and accessible by anyone. But then again, I've known that for many
 years, and have used to it to the betterment of humanity as much as
 possible. That is, the distinguishing from truth vs falsehood of anything
 that exists, or anyone, or whatever anyone says.

 This is pretty scary to people that make a living out of lying to people,
 which probably explains why much of this was suppressed by dogma and fear
 tactics. A lot of them head for the hills when they are ferreted out using
 these methods.  But this isn't really anything mystical, it's more like
 re-learning to tap into your intuitive(spirit) side of you, rather than your
 physical(ego) side.  Something I believe all humans used to do as a day to
 day part of life before a concerted effort of suppression of spirit began.
  If you are stressed, fearful, overly busy, confused, have too much mental
 chatter, or are soundly entrenched in the left brain(Ego) then you probably
 can't even understand it, much less believe it.  Therefore you shut off your
 intuitive, and rely solely on your logical for existence, that's hugely
 limiting, especially since the leading brain researchers found that the left
 brain is the seat of pessimism.



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CSWas: Lyme disease, Now: Calibration

[MaryAnn Helland]

OK -- but what I'd like to know is, what is calibration?  I'm aware of dowsing, 
and can do some of that myself, but I've never heard of calibration.
And shouldn't this go to the off-topic list?
MA





From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

See the interesting thing is..  Marshall, wherever he is in the world, runs 
much of the same figures as I do, and gets the same results.  Thats pretty 
empirical, but so is much of science.

So for example, I calibrate a song, but don't tell him, and in fact, I 
calibrated it 2 years ago!  Then I ask him what he calibrates it at, and he is 
usually absolutely accurate as to what I calibrated it at.  This is repeated 
over and over, and the chances of it - well - being chance, is well impossible. 
What this demonstrates is that cosmic wisdom is universal, and complete, and 
accessible by anyone. But then again, I've known that for many years, and have 
used to it to the betterment of humanity as much as possible. That is, the 
distinguishing from truth vs falsehood of anything that exists, or anyone, or 
whatever anyone says.

This is pretty scary to people that make a living out of lying to people, which 
probably explains why much of this was suppressed by dogma and fear tactics. A 
lot of them head for the hills when they are ferreted out using these methods.  
But this isn't really anything mystical, it's more like re-learning to tap into 
your intuitive(spirit) side of you, rather than your physical(ego) side.  
Something I believe all humans used to do as a day to day part of life before a 
concerted effort of suppression of spirit began.  If you are stressed, fearful, 
overly busy, confused, have too much mental chatter, or are soundly entrenched 
in the left brain(Ego) then you probably can't even understand it, much less 
believe it.  Therefore you shut off your intuitive, and rely solely on your 
logical for existence, that's hugely limiting, especially since the leading 
brain researchers found that the left brain is the seat of pessimism.

Shiona Phillips wrote:
 bodhisattva wrote:
 
  There is absolutely no statistical odds of that happening unless we're 
tapping the same cosmic wisdom.
 
 
 
 OR... unless you are both very confused :)
 
 
 Shiona


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Re: CSLyme disease

[bodhisattva]

I agree, lets go off topic after this.

It can surely determine the card face when turned over, it can determine 
everything but the hypothetical, a Pink Elephant with Wings can't be 
calibrated, because it doesn't exist.  I've helped people check out 
homes they are wanting to purchase, even in other states. Then later I 
usually always hear back that it was correct.  My father in-law is a 
left brain entrained mathematics professor, and just can't wrap his 
brain around why it would work.  He was purchasing a new home I have 
never seen before, and pulled out the blueprint, and asked me to 
calibrate each room to see which was in a better or worse state of 
condition.  I did, and he looked at my numbers, folded it up and put it 
away. His wife came over and said That was exactly correct, what do you 
have to say now?.. He didn't say anything, that's usually what happens 
when the left brain is faced with something completely unexplainable.  
The left brain is the side that always wants formulas, careful logical 
conclusions, and a tightly constrained reality that is entirely linear 
and egotistical.


Interestingly, when I am exposed to strong cell phone or wifi signals, 
my left hemisphere starts to vibrate out of tune with my left 
hemisphere, and I start to feel the parallel processing of my brain 
break down. It's excruciatingly painful at times, and highly annoying at 
other times.  Then someone educated me of something called Left Brain 
Entrainment, which is a technical capability of those that wish to keep 
us from higher awareness. Now researchers have proved, they can Shut 
off specific things in people through electronics. 
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0329/scientists-discover-turn-off-brains-morality-center/


Dr. Manfred Doepp studied this for decades, and said those signals are 
causing a De-Switching of the human mind.  He discovered a simple 
method of exercise that manually switches your brain back. But also, he 
discovered Tada.. Orgonite keeps your brain from being switched!  
Imagine that, a prominent researcher, studied, and confirmed, orgonite 
stops de-switching.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct1jrTesASIfeature=related

Alan Jones wrote:
Bodhi, what are the limitations of this dowsing/calibration?  For 
example, could it be used to determine if a faced down playing card is 
red or black?


Alan

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:35 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com 
mailto:bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote:


See the interesting thing is..  Marshall, wherever he is in the
world, runs much of the same figures as I do, and gets the same
results.  Thats pretty empirical, but so is much of science.

So for example, I calibrate a song, but don't tell him, and in
fact, I calibrated it 2 years ago!  Then I ask him what he
calibrates it at, and he is usually absolutely accurate as to what
I calibrated it at.  This is repeated over and over, and the
chances of it - well - being chance, is well impossible. What this
demonstrates is that cosmic wisdom is universal, and complete, and
accessible by anyone. But then again, I've known that for many
years, and have used to it to the betterment of humanity as much
as possible. That is, the distinguishing from truth vs falsehood
of anything that exists, or anyone, or whatever anyone says.

This is pretty scary to people that make a living out of lying to
people, which probably explains why much of this was suppressed by
dogma and fear tactics. A lot of them head for the hills when they
are ferreted out using these methods.  But this isn't really
anything mystical, it's more like re-learning to tap into your
intuitive(spirit) side of you, rather than your physical(ego)
side.  Something I believe all humans used to do as a day to day
part of life before a concerted effort of suppression of spirit
began.  If you are stressed, fearful, overly busy, confused, have
too much mental chatter, or are soundly entrenched in the left
brain(Ego) then you probably can't even understand it, much less
believe it.  Therefore you shut off your intuitive, and rely
solely on your logical for existence, that's hugely limiting,
especially since the leading brain researchers found that the left
brain is the seat of pessimism.

Re: CSLyme disease

[Renee]

If you are good at it. :-) 

 I use to do it to train myself, though instead of giving myself just a
50/50 chance (red or black) I used the symbols they use for testing
psychics--square, triangle, circle, wavy lines.  I made up a set of cards
for myself, multiples of each, and would dowse each card.  Kept track of
whether I was right or wrong.  Got to the point where I was more right than
wrong.  

samala,
Renee
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Bodhi, what are the limitations of this dowsing/calibration?  For example, 
could it be used to determine if a faced down playing card is red or black?

Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating

[Linda Schmidt]

I'm really curious about using calibration/dowsing to determine the best course 
in treating Lyme, or whatever else is going on in my body. I'm still very new 
to using calibration and don't trust my accuracy yet. I would love to get your 
insight (off-list is this is more appropriate) into treatment methods that my 
body wants or needsCS, ozone, rifeTLC (lol!). 

Thanks so much,
Linda

On May 17, 2010, at 6:14 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

 Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I round 
 up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero.  So either CS wasn't the 
 sole reason you are cured, or you still have lyme, or a combination of both.
 
 To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme with just CS, 
 it seems to always been a concerted assault with a variety of protocols.  
 Although CS is probably a good factor in it, I suspect there are other 
 factors.  Even simple dietary changes has proved to be immensely successful 
 in clearing lyme.
 
 People promote Salt-C as a good Lyme cure. But I will point out, there have 
 been suppressed clinical studies that PROVE Negative Ions dramatically 
 improve the absorption and usage of VitaminC by the body. So Negative Ion 
 Therapy, combined with C+Salt, would probably prove pretty efficient in 
 killing off Lyme. Or in fact, just C+Ions, skip the salt.
 
 Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his Ionizers, 
 this is one of the very few actual working units that really pushes ions into 
 the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones sold at Walmart, don't do a darn 
 thing. You can find out about the studies regarding vitamin/mineral mobility 
 and ions in the book Ion Effect for 15 cents off Ebay.
 
 http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html
 

Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating

[needling around]

Hi,
I've been dowsing/bio-field/O-ring testing for probably 20+ years.  The single 
most important thing to remember is to let go of the outcome and totally clear 
your mind when performing the test.  It is really important to have no vested 
interest in what the test shows.  This is why it is so difficult to test ones 
self.  There is an instrument that makes this easier.  It is basically a 
calibrated spring which shows how much force someone can exert in a clear 
situation and then in a test situation.  It is available at www.khtsystems.com.

It is also important to learn how to balance both the tester and the testee 
beforehand so you are all testing in a clear state.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Linda Schmidt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating


  I'm really curious about using calibration/dowsing to determine the best 
course in treating Lyme, or whatever else is going on in my body. I'm still 
very new to using calibration and don't trust my accuracy yet. I would love to 
get your insight (off-list is this is more appropriate) into treatment methods 
that my body wants or needsCS, ozone, rifeTLC (lol!). 


  Thanks so much,
  Linda


  On May 17, 2010, at 6:14 PM, bodhisattva wrote:


Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I round 
up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero.  So either CS wasn't the 
sole reason you are cured, or you still have lyme, or a combination of both.

To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme with just 
CS, it seems to always been a concerted assault with a variety of protocols.  
Although CS is probably a good factor in it, I suspect there are other factors. 
 Even simple dietary changes has proved to be immensely successful in clearing 
lyme.

People promote Salt-C as a good Lyme cure. But I will point out, there 
have been suppressed clinical studies that PROVE Negative Ions dramatically 
improve the absorption and usage of VitaminC by the body. So Negative Ion 
Therapy, combined with C+Salt, would probably prove pretty efficient in killing 
off Lyme. Or in fact, just C+Ions, skip the salt.

Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his 
Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that really pushes 
ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones sold at Walmart, don't 
do a darn thing. You can find out about the studies regarding vitamin/mineral 
mobility and ions in the book Ion Effect for 15 cents off Ebay.

http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html

Re: CSLyme disease

[Marshall Dudley]

bodhisattva wrote:
See the interesting thing is..  Marshall, wherever he is in the world, 
runs much of the same figures as I do, and gets the same results.  
Thats pretty empirical, but so is much of science.


So for example, I calibrate a song, but don't tell him, and in fact, I 
calibrated it 2 years ago!  Then I ask him what he calibrates it at, 
and he is usually absolutely accurate as to what I calibrated it at.  
This is repeated over and over, and the chances of it - well - being 
chance, is well impossible. 


When we first started doing this I was computing the odds of it being 
chance.  But once I got to 100 trillion to one against it being chance, 
I gave up, to a large extent because I didn't know what follow trillion. LOL
What this demonstrates is that cosmic wisdom is universal, and 
complete, and accessible by anyone. But then again, I've known that 
for many years, and have used to it to the betterment of humanity as 
much as possible. That is, the distinguishing from truth vs falsehood 
of anything that exists, or anyone, or whatever anyone says.
Yes, it works superbly.  I have found it exceeding useful for checking 
the accuracy of all my emails and responses to things like this.  I have 
found so many errors in what I write, using the wrong word, not 
clarifying with something like most and downright wrong assumptions 
that I am amazed.  I now dowse for 100% accuracy before sending almost 
anything out, and interestingly enough I have gotten feedback from Bohdi 
that some (I had dowsed this message, had they instead of some and 
was getting inaccuracy in this sentence) are indeed 100% without me even 
telling him.  Never had that happen before dowsing and correcting any 
errors.  That everyone gets the same results certainly does not prove 
that the results are correct, but it does proves that everyone is 
somehow connected either with each other or a higher intelligence.


This is pretty scary to people that make a living out of lying to 
people, which probably explains why much of this was suppressed by 
dogma and fear tactics. A lot of them head for the hills when they are 
ferreted out using these methods.  But this isn't really anything 
mystical, it's more like re-learning to tap into your 
intuitive(spirit) side of you, rather than your physical(ego) side.


This was all uncovered and written about by Carl Jung.  But mainstream 
suppressed much of his work.
Something I believe all humans used to do as a day to day part of life 
before a concerted effort of suppression of spirit began.  If you are 
stressed, fearful, overly busy, confused, have too much mental 
chatter, or are soundly entrenched in the left brain(Ego) then you 
probably can't even understand it, much less believe it.  Therefore 
you shut off your intuitive, and rely solely on your logical for 
existence, that's hugely limiting, especially since the leading brain 
researchers found that the left brain is the seat of pessimism.
I agree, it can be very difficult. I was trained as an engineer and 
scientist.  I guess my first inkling that there was much more than I was 
taught was whenever I would have a problem with I was unable to solve 
consciously I would always dream the answer. I knew it was coming from 
somewhere else, but didn't know where. Well heck, I really still don't 
know where it was coming from.


We should probably take this to the off topic list.

Marshall


Shiona Phillips wrote:

bodhisattva wrote:

  There is absolutely no statistical odds of that happening unless 
we're tapping the same cosmic wisdom.




OR... unless you are both very confused :)


Shiona



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Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating

[Marshall Dudley]

This has been, and is being discussed pretty heavily on the off topic 
list. Please join us there.


Marshall

Linda Schmidt wrote:
I'm really curious about using calibration/dowsing to determine the 
best course in treating Lyme, or whatever else is going on in my body. 
I'm still very new to using calibration and don't trust my accuracy 
yet. I would love to get your insight (off-list is this is more 
appropriate) into treatment methods that my body wants or needsCS, 
ozone, rifeTLC (lol!). 


Thanks so much,
Linda

On May 17, 2010, at 6:14 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I round 
up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero.  So either CS 
wasn't the sole reason you are cured, or you still have lyme, or a 
combination of both.


To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme with 
just CS, it seems to always been a concerted assault with a variety 
of protocols.  Although CS is probably a good factor in it, I suspect 
there are other factors.  Even simple dietary changes has proved to 
be immensely successful in clearing lyme.


People promote Salt-C as a good Lyme cure. But I will point out, 
there have been suppressed clinical studies that PROVE Negative Ions 
dramatically improve the absorption and usage of VitaminC by the 
body. So Negative Ion Therapy, combined with C+Salt, would probably 
prove pretty efficient in killing off Lyme. Or in fact, just C+Ions, 
skip the salt.


Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his 
Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that 
really pushes ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones 
sold at Walmart, don't do a darn thing. You can find out about the 
studies regarding vitamin/mineral mobility and ions in the book Ion 
Effect for 15 cents off Ebay.


http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html






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Re: CSLyme disease

[Marshall Dudley]

Then you are obviously not part of the set defined by the some 
people.  Interestingly I had to add that some people after 
calibrating and finding that what I had written was not 100% accurate. 
Glad I did now.


Marshall

Dave Darrin wrote:

BULL SH*T
Mines been gone after 42 years of it with only CS and has been gone 
for about 10 years.

Dave

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Marshall Dudley 
mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:


sol wrote:

Marshalee Hallett wrote:

Hi, Sol,   Well, I took 3 big swallows a day, which was at
least a cup, total. I don`t know what the PPM was. (The
stuff I make now, without salt, is about 18 PPM.) On the
3rd day I could shut my jaw all the way, and even put my
pants on without crying in pain from bending my knees.
Took about 6 months for everything to heal that could. I`m
still disabled due to the brain damage, but at least I`m
in no pain and can get along pretty well. It is 20 years
ago this summer since I was bitten, and 14 years ago this
month since I found out about CS!!! CS literally saved my
life.

Thanks so much,
 Lyme keeps turning up as a possibility for me, but unless I
am very different from you, and from others who have gotten
rid of Lyme with CS- then perhaps my
experience drinking over the course of each day between a pint
and a quart of my CS (about 10-15 uS) for over two years, and
never becoming pain free, not even close.. proves I do
not have LymeI did get rid of candida, and also feel
chronic EBV improved, but not joint pains.
rats!
sol


Acute Lyme is difficult if not almost impossible to get rid of
with just CS for some people.  Lyme has a number of hiding places,
and cannot be eliminated with a protocol that gets them as well,
such as the Beck protocol.  Zapping, and ozonated water, and
magnetic pulsing both the lymph nodes and joints is essential to
get them all.

Marshall



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Re: CSTyndall effect --- faint red and strong red laser lines

[Marshall Dudley]

Sounds like it is still good to me. You can always add a little H2O2, 
but not sure if that will change the uS up or down.


Marshall

Garrick wrote:


Hello all,

Is it a waste of time to take week old colloidal silver and try to 
boost the uS?


I can make colloidal silver that finishes at 18 uS (using a com-100 
meter) but it is down to 12 uS in five days. The laser pen only makes 
a faint red line. *This means ideal particle size? Little agglomeration?*


So a few nights ago I took this 12 uS colloidal silver and used it in 
the CS machine and got the uS up to a 17 uS that did not decline so 
fast. Only problem is the red laser light was much more noticeable. 
That Tyndall effect line was stronger. *Am I wasting my time doing 
this? Just making the agglomeration and electro-conductivity greater 
but not the CS effectiveness?*


Thanks
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Re: CSLyme disease

[Marshall Dudley]

Alan Jones wrote:
Bodhi, what are the limitations of this dowsing/calibration?  For 
example, could it be used to determine if a faced down playing card is 
red or black?


Alan

This should be discussed on the off topic list where it is actually 
being discussed. It can be done for demonstration purposes.  And it can 
be done for cheating on cards, for a little while. However doing so will 
decrease your consciousness (integrity is tied up with that), and will 
lower your consciousness, and at some point you can reach where you 
cannot do it at all.


At least for me, my superconsciousness will return wrong answers on 
purpose if I try to use it in a manner that is not of the light.  I 
learned this a few days ago, and now I know.  My brother in-law wanted 
me to prove the point on browsing, and had a multiple choice test he 
was taking.  I successfully browsed the answer to what he had already 
answered (but had the answer covered), but he wanted me to answer one he 
had not already answered. It gave a wrong answer then. When I checked 
why I got that I was not to use the gift for cheating purposes.



Marshall


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Re: CSLyme disease

[Garrick]

*Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his
Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that really
pushes ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones sold at
Walmart, don't do a darn thing. You can find out about the studies regarding
vitamin/mineral mobility and ions in the book Ion Effect for 15 cents off
Ebay.*

Holy cowI bought one of his on eBay years ago. Never replaced the
needle. I better do that. I feel nothing coming off it. I put an ionizer
near my lips and can feel it working. But I feel nothing

Garrick




On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:14 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.comwrote:

  Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I round
 up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero.  So either CS wasn't the
 sole reason you are cured, or you still have lyme, or a combination of both.

 To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme with just
 CS, it seems to always been a concerted assault with a variety of
 protocols.  Although CS is probably a good factor in it, I suspect there are
 other factors.  Even simple dietary changes has proved to be immensely
 successful in clearing lyme.

 People promote Salt-C as a good Lyme cure. But I will point out, there
 have been suppressed clinical studies that PROVE Negative Ions dramatically
 improve the absorption and usage of VitaminC by the body. So Negative Ion
 Therapy, combined with C+Salt, would probably prove pretty efficient in
 killing off Lyme. Or in fact, just C+Ions, skip the salt.

 Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his
 Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that really
 pushes ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones sold at
 Walmart, don't do a darn thing. You can find out about the studies regarding
 vitamin/mineral mobility and ions in the book Ion Effect for 15 cents off
 Ebay.

 http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html

Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating

[Paula Perry]

Hi PT,
I was looking for what you described at the link you sent and wasn't sure what it was called? I didn't recognize it on the ordering page.
Paula
-Original Message- From: needling around Sent: May 18, 2010 10:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating 


Hi,
I've been dowsing/bio-field/O-ring testing for probably 20+ years. The single most important thing to remember is to let go of the outcome and totally clear your mind when performing the test. It is really important to have no vested interest in what the test shows. This is why it is so difficult to test ones self. There is an instrument that makes this easier. It is basically a calibrated spring which shows how much force someone can exert in a clear situation and then in a test situation. It is available at www.khtsystems.com.

It is also important to learn how to balance both the tester and the testee beforehand so you are all testing in a clear state.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: Linda Schmidt 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: CSLyme disease/calibrating
I'm really curious about using calibration/dowsing to determine the best course in treating Lyme, or whatever else is going on in my body. I'm still very new to using calibration and don't trust my accuracy yet. I would love to get your insight (off-list is this is more appropriate) into treatment methods that my body wants or needsCS, ozone, rifeTLC (lol!). 

Thanks so much, 
Linda


On May 17, 2010, at 6:14 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I round up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero. So either CS wasn't the sole reason you are cured, or you still have lyme, or a combination of both.To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme with just CS, it seems to always been a concerted assault with a variety of protocols. Although CS is probably a good factor in it, I suspect there are other factors. Even simple dietary changes has proved to be immensely successful in clearing lyme.People promote "Salt-C" as a good Lyme cure. But I will point out, there have been suppressed clinical studies that PROVE Negative Ions dramatically improve the absorption and usage of VitaminC by the body. So Negative Ion Therapy, combined with C+Salt, would probably prove pretty efficient in killing off Lyme. Or in fact, just C+Ions, skip the salt.Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that really pushes ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones sold at Walmart, don't do a darn thing. You can find out about the studies regarding vitamin/mineral mobility and ions in the book "Ion Effect" for 15 cents off Ebay.http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html


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Re: CSLyme disease

[Malcolm]

Shiona;

Naah, but he is trying to get stuff written when his mind is tired;
hence bauxite for basalt and other examples of what Kurt Vonnegut
referred to as  mental gears skipping a tooth.  Ice Nine? Granfalloon?

Bokonon.

On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:31 +0100, Shiona Phillips wrote:
 Marshall Dudley wrote:
 
 
  .  Lyme has a number of hiding places, and cannot be eliminated with a 
  protocol that gets them as well, such as the Beck protocol.
 
 
 Another mistake?  Sounds like you are a bit confused.
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSLyme disease

[Marshall Dudley]

That was the line in the message that I was referring to as saying 
with instead of without.  So I wasn't crazy after all. LOL


Marshall

Malcolm wrote:

Shiona;

Naah, but he is trying to get stuff written when his mind is tired;
hence bauxite for basalt and other examples of what Kurt Vonnegut
referred to as  mental gears skipping a tooth.  Ice Nine? Granfalloon?

Bokonon.

On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:31 +0100, Shiona Phillips wrote:
  

Marshall Dudley wrote:


.  Lyme has a number of hiding places, and cannot be eliminated with a 
protocol that gets them as well, such as the Beck protocol.
  

Another mistake?  Sounds like you are a bit confused.




Shiona


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Re: CSLyme disease

[bodhisattva]

It has been my experience, if you use these gifts for greed, or 
manipulation, you are Cut off. The purpose is to spiritually grow, 
enlightenment, to draw closer to God, and to help people whenever 
possible. I don't bother to do it to prove a point to anyone, anymore, I 
have nothing at all to prove.  If someone can't handle it, or doesn't 
believe it, that's their business, not mine. I got too much work to do, 
you know?  Gifts from God aren't to be trivialized, and what you will 
find is that as you use them in the right way,  your consciousness, and 
power will grow in accordance with this.


Sometimes you can't use them to help someone because of their destiny, 
or perhaps soul choices.  My mother was recently in the hospital again. 
I got a Do not intervene, that her soul simply wanted her to learn 
some lessons. However, I got that I could in fact, influence the 
environment she was in, but not her directly.  Therefore, I increased 
the energy in her environment so as to be more helpful in a beneficial 
outcome, and not impede on her choice of growth methods.  Free will is 
of paramount consideration, as hard as it is to realize, some people 
simply choose to suffer and there isn't anything you can do about it, 
and neither will God - unless they ask.


The Church has done tremendous damage to humanity by lumping virtually 
everything into some category that makes it sound like you can't do it, 
or ascribes some horrible hellfire/damnation for it.  Divination in 
the most pure definition throughout history is really contacting 
spirits, and I agree, not a good idea.  However the definition of 
divination was extended outward to include virtually *EVERYTHING* to do 
with using your Intuition, which is so silly it defies all explanation 
- if you weren't supposed to use your intuition, and just your logical 
mind, then why would you have it in the first place?!?  In reality, if 
you wanted to constrain cosmic wisdom to yourself, and keep it from 
others, this is the perfect guise in which to do it. Then you go around 
burning or executing those that discover it, and their own intuitive 
connection with God, and the secret is kept. (the fear here, would be 
those common folk, would discover those in power are a bunch of liars, 
and this is why they want to prevent this wisdom) Fundamentalists today 
run and scream away if someone mentions psychic reading. But then they 
go back inside, and Prophesy for each other, which is a thinly veiled 
term to make psychic readings sound Friendly to Christians.


The first, and wisest choice for spiritual advancement, in my opinion, 
is to run - really fast - away from established dogmatic doctrines and 
institutions. (in whatever form they come) I know a whole lot of people 
that have attended Church for decades, and aren't anymore spiritually 
advanced, or compassionate than they were on /*day one*/. Anyone see the 
problem with that picture? If you want to save someone, get them OUT 
of the church, and back to knowing God and his Creations.


/*Everything is permissible--but not everything is beneficial. 
Everything is permissible--but not everything is constructive. 
-Corinthians 10:23*/


Marshall Dudley wrote:

Alan Jones wrote:
Bodhi, what are the limitations of this dowsing/calibration?  For 
example, could it be used to determine if a faced down playing card 
is red or black?


Alan

This should be discussed on the off topic list where it is actually 
being discussed. It can be done for demonstration purposes.  And it 
can be done for cheating on cards, for a little while. However doing 
so will decrease your consciousness (integrity is tied up with that), 
and will lower your consciousness, and at some point you can reach 
where you cannot do it at all.


At least for me, my superconsciousness will return wrong answers on 
purpose if I try to use it in a manner that is not of the light.  I 
learned this a few days ago, and now I know.  My brother in-law wanted 
me to prove the point on browsing, and had a multiple choice test he 
was taking.  I successfully browsed the answer to what he had already 
answered (but had the answer covered), but he wanted me to answer one 
he had not already answered. It gave a wrong answer then. When I 
checked why I got that I was not to use the gift for cheating purposes.



Marshall

CSWas: Lyme disease, Now: Calibration/Why:~OT?

[Dok Dallas]

Hey Mike, before this (On-Going/Evolving) Mystery PLAGUE goes much-further
why not try running-baseline CALIBRATION on what's really-happening HERE
Apparently Ol' Dok Dallas is only Member Here on CS List with GUARD~UP?
(Just before posting this...checked email's...CLEARLY, I'm Not blowing-smoke) 
 
LoL...in a (pre-verted) way, I'm actually enjoying this (deceptive/hidden) 
Humor~
as I check LIST emails...once/twice-a-week...also SKEPTICAL...WHY~POSTS
(over-past-two-weeks) how-many-times have SOME members posted OT, here?

Skeptic's from Missouri (Show-Me-State)�...@^@/ to WiKi...Not USE-ORGONE.
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva  LoL...TO-SERVE-MAN/(Cook Book)?
 

Dok's OT (Humor): Velcronite is Velcro+Orgonite...Stays Put...on-OT-List? G

CAP/(clean-up) OIL-Spills...Lot's of Duct-Tape  Brawny (quicker-picker-upper)!
Years ago...had Orgonite at Swap Meet...Polyurethane over Dog-Poop...Better!
(Not sure what came over me to Post-OT here...might be ORGONITE curse?)
 
BTW: When Marshall is feeling better...we might discuss BECK misconception,
but until then (agree with other members diagnosis) needs rest, 
gears-slipping...
We have similar (professional) backgrounds, but think my CV-IS closer to Beck,
in 1982...had lunch with Bob and sold him (prototype) Bio-FB/EEG...TV display.
 
Beck, had (working) ION Pump/Trap background...(researched) Galvanic History
and that was years before Beck presented...4-hz/BiPhasic/ION-TRAP...in 1991?
Marshall, John...too many holes in Humpty-Dumpty DNA theory...even DC-Zilla,
Kills-Pathogens...based on Galvanic ION Pumps used in 1860's~by early MD's.
Have links to thousand's-of-pages...US/UK Medical Document(s), in Research!!!
DNA linking Clark  Beck...IMO, F-O-S/(Founded-on-Speculation), SHOM-ME~
Humpty Dumpty DNA may prove valid, but 130+ yrs DC, known-to Work...How?
Beck...SMPTE  IEEE member in LA area, also saw frequently, at TRW Swap.
(Sorry going off-track here, butworking with some others...to Honor Dr. 
Beck)  
 
A Reply to (recent) post from Bodhisattva, Marshall, Rowena...Waste-of-Time~
(serious) ZILLA-WARNING...was important POST to members, Not-TROLLING!
Post...When/(IF)...have-Something-to-Say, vs. Other HAS...to-Say-Something~ 
(Sorry Mike, not trying to play L-COP, but...thought others may POST...Earlier)
 
Santa-List-Cop
Krampus a.k.a 
DOK~DALLAS if needed http://DOGPILE.com ...search [KRAMPUS] history
 
P.S. Oops, @^...@..s like I may have (accidentally) posted this to LIST, 
Sorry..?
Rather than send me (off-line) WARNING email...let Krampus Beat Me. VBG
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--- On Tue, 5/18/10, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:


From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
Subject: CSWas: Lyme disease, Now: Calibration
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:51 AM






OK -- but what I'd like to know is, what is calibration?  I'm aware of dowsing, 
and can do some of that myself, but I've never heard of calibration.
And shouldn't this go to the off-topic list?
MA





From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

See the interesting thing is..  Marshall, wherever he is in the world, runs 
much of the same figures as I do, and gets the same results.  Thats pretty 
empirical, but so is much of science.

So for example, I calibrate a song, but don't tell him, and in fact, I 
calibrated it 2 years ago!  Then I ask him what he calibrates it at, and he is 
usually absolutely accurate as to what I calibrated it at.  This is repeated 
over and over, and the chances of it - well - being chance, is well impossible. 
What this demonstrates is that cosmic wisdom is universal, and complete, and 
accessible by anyone. But then again, I've known that for many years, and have 
used to it to the betterment of humanity as much as possible. That is, the 
distinguishing from truth vs falsehood of anything that exists, or anyone, or 
whatever anyone says.

This is pretty scary to people that make a living out of lying to people, which 
probably explains why much of this was suppressed by dogma and fear tactics. A 
lot of them head for the hills when they are ferreted out using these methods.  
But this isn't really anything mystical, it's more like re-learning to tap into 
your intuitive(spirit) side of you, rather than your physical(ego) side.  
Something I believe all humans used to do as a day to day part of life before a 
concerted effort of suppression of spirit began.  If you are stressed, fearful, 
overly busy, confused, have too much mental chatter, or are soundly entrenched 
in the left brain(Ego) then you probably can't even understand it, much less 
believe it.  Therefore you shut off your intuitive, and rely solely on your 
logical for existence, that's hugely limiting, especially since the leading 
brain researchers found that the left brain is the seat of pessimism.

Shiona Phillips 

Re: CSTyndall effect --- faint red and strong red laser lines

[Garrick]

From what I know the best Tyndall is to be able to see just a faint red beam
in a completely dark roomBut still get a 10 uS or higher reading

Garrick




On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote:

 Sounds like it is still good to me. You can always add a little H2O2, but
 not sure if that will change the uS up or down.

 Marshall


 Garrick wrote:


 Hello all,

 Is it a waste of time to take week old colloidal silver and try to boost
 the uS?

 I can make colloidal silver that finishes at 18 uS (using a com-100 meter)
 but it is down to 12 uS in five days. The laser pen only makes a faint red
 line. *This means ideal particle size? Little agglomeration?*

 So a few nights ago I took this 12 uS colloidal silver and used it in the
 CS machine and got the uS up to a 17 uS that did not decline so fast. Only
 problem is the red laser light was much more noticeable. That Tyndall effect
 line was stronger. *Am I wasting my time doing this? Just making the
 agglomeration and electro-conductivity greater but not the CS
 effectiveness?*

 Thanks
 Garrick

Re: CSLyme disease

[Shiona Phillips]

Malcolm wrote:


Shiona;

Naah, but he is trying to get stuff written when his mind is tired;
hence bauxite for basalt and other examples of what Kurt Vonnegut
referred to as  mental gears skipping a tooth.  Ice Nine? Granfalloon?

Bokonon.

 



I've replied on the Off Topic List.


Shiona



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Re: CSWas: Lyme disease, Now: Calibration/Why:~OT?

[bodhisattva]

The nature of the Bodhisattva is apparent from a teaching story in which 
three people are walking through a desert. Parched and thirsty, they spy 
a high wall ahead. They approach and circumnavigate it, but it has no 
entrance or doorway. One climbs upon the shoulders of the others, looks 
inside, yells Eureka and jumps inside. The second then climbs up and 
repeats the actions of the first. The third laboriously climbs the wall 
without assistance and sees a lush garden inside the wall. It has 
cooling water, trees, fruit, etc. But, instead of jumping into the 
garden, the third person jumps back out into the desert and seeks out 
desert wanderers to tell them about the garden and how to find it. The 
third person is the Bodhisattva.


Anyway, the OT list is pretty hot, lots of new members. Not sure why 
there is still a runoff to the sleepers domain.


Dok Dallas wrote:

Hey Mike, before this (On-Going/Evolving) Mystery PLAGUE goes much-further
why not try running-baseline CALIBRATION on what's really-happening HERE
Apparently Ol' Dok Dallas is only Member Here on CS List with GUARD~UP?
(Just before posting this...checked email's...CLEARLY, I'm Not 
blowing-smoke) 
 
LoL...in a (pre-verted) way, I'm actually enjoying this 
(deceptive/hidden) Humor~

as I check LIST emails...once/twice-a-week...also SKEPTICAL...WHY~POSTS
(over-past-two-weeks) how-many-times have SOME members posted OT, here?
Skeptic's from Missouri (Show-Me-State) \...@^@/ to WiKi...Not USE-ORGONE.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva  LoL...TO-SERVE-MAN/(Cook 
Book)?
 
Dok's OT (Humor): Velcronite is Velcro+Orgonite...Stays 
Put...on-OT-List? G
CAP/(clean-up) OIL-Spills...Lot's of Duct-Tape  Brawny 
(quicker-picker-upper)!
Years ago...had Orgonite at Swap Meet...Polyurethane over 
Dog-Poop...Better!

(Not sure what came over me to Post-OT here...might be ORGONITE curse?)
 
BTW: When Marshall is feeling better...we might 
discuss BECK misconception,
but until then (agree with other members diagnosis) needs rest, 
gears-slipping...
We have similar (professional) backgrounds, but think my CV-IS 
closer to Beck,
in 1982...had lunch with Bob and sold him (prototype) 
Bio-FB/EEG...TV display.
 
Beck, had (working) ION Pump/Trap background...(researched) Galvanic 
History
and that was years before Beck presented...4-hz/BiPhasic/ION-TRAP...in 
1991?
Marshall, John...too many holes in Humpty-Dumpty DNA theory...even 
DC-Zilla,
Kills-Pathogens...based on Galvanic ION Pumps used in 1860's~by early 
MD's.
Have links to thousand's-of-pages...US/UK Medical Document(s), in 
Research!!!

DNA linking Clark  Beck...IMO, F-O-S/(Founded-on-Speculation), SHOM-ME~
Humpty Dumpty DNA may prove valid, but 130+ yrs DC, known-to Work...How?
Beck...SMPTE  IEEE member in LA area, also saw frequently, at TRW Swap.
(Sorry going off-track here, butworking with some others...to 
Honor Dr. Beck) 
 
A Reply to (recent) post from Bodhisattva, Marshall, 
Rowena...Waste-of-Time~

(serious) ZILLA-WARNING...was important POST to members, Not-TROLLING!
Post...When/(IF)...have-Something-to-Say, vs. Other 
HAS...to-Say-Something~ 
(Sorry Mike, not trying to play L-COP, but...thought others 
may POST...Earlier)
 
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Revolver...until, can't-stand-it~

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From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
Subject: CSWas: Lyme disease, Now: Calibration
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:51 AM

OK -- but what I'd like to know is, what _is_ calibration?  I'm
aware of dowsing, and can do some of that myself, but I've never
heard of calibration.
And shouldn't this go to the off-topic list?
MA

Re: CSLyme disease

[bodhisattva]

Without changing the output still is hundreds of times greater than most 
other units. But a new needle will surely improve things. I change my 
needs about every 2-4 months I would guess, not a big deal really. 

Which unit of his do you have?  I own 8 of his units, two of the NIP3's 
with the wire filiment that never needs changing, and 6 of the NIP5e's 
he sells now.  All of them are quite nice.  They sure help with sleep, 
and keeping any illness from spreading between people. I've been 
thinking of trying a unit from Alpha Labs, and seeing how they are.


Garrick wrote:
/Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his 
Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that really 
pushes ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or ones sold at 
Walmart, don't do a darn thing. You can find out about the studies 
regarding vitamin/mineral mobility and ions in the book Ion Effect 
for 15 cents off Ebay./


Holy cowI bought one of his on eBay years ago. Never replaced the 
needle. I better do that. I feel nothing coming off it. I put an 
ionizer near my lips and can feel it working. But I feel nothing


Garrick




On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:14 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com 
mailto:bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote:


Marshalls paragraph calibrates at about 1000 (or very close, I
round up/down), your reply is dangerously close to zero.  So
either CS wasn't the sole reason you are cured, or you still have
lyme, or a combination of both.

To date, I have never heard of anyone curing themselves of Lyme
with just CS, it seems to always been a concerted assault with a
variety of protocols.  Although CS is probably a good factor in
it, I suspect there are other factors.  Even simple dietary
changes has proved to be immensely successful in clearing lyme.

People promote Salt-C as a good Lyme cure. But I will point out,
there have been suppressed clinical studies that PROVE Negative
Ions dramatically improve the absorption and usage of VitaminC by
the body. So Negative Ion Therapy, combined with C+Salt, would
probably prove pretty efficient in killing off Lyme. Or in fact,
just C+Ions, skip the salt.

Dave Cline is running a very short duration sale of $20.00 off his
Ionizers, this is one of the very few actual working units that
really pushes ions into the room. Most of the big name ones, or
ones sold at Walmart, don't do a darn thing. You can find out
about the studies regarding vitamin/mineral mobility and ions in
the book Ion Effect for 15 cents off Ebay.

http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html

CSsubject

[Harold MacDonald]

IT would sure help if the subject line was actually changed to reflect the 
subject being discussed!
It's so-o-o-o easy.

Harold

CSMagnetic pulsers, electric pulsers, zilla, et al

[Norton, Steve]

I have read with interest the past comments regarding Clark zappers, Beck 4 Hz 
electrifiers, Godzilla, Rife type machines and some time back magnetic pulsers. 
Oh, and I think someone even has the high voltage capacitive plate Rife (?) 
machine. I am not sure what all falls under Rife since there appears to be 
RF, light and capacitive based voltage based machines as a minimum.  

Anyway, there is a lot of experience here and even some experts in the 
technologies. I wonder which are the best approaches in general. Godzilla and 
the Beck electrifier seem to be at opposite poles. Godzilla forming ionic 
solutions and Beck very intentionally avoiding doing so. Hulda Clark seems 
somewhere in between with Rife type frequencies thrown in. It is not clear to 
me just how important Rife type frequencies are for these type machines. Beck 
machines are said to work best at frequencies of 100 Hz or less. What 
experiences have users here had? I have had some success with Godzilla but have 
not tried the others. I personally lean towards Beck at this time. 

Rife machines have demonstrated a definite correlation  between specific 
frequencies and the destruction of pathogens and perhaps cancerous cells. Cost 
however cause them to be impractical for most. Plus there is great uncertainty 
as to what frequency works for what ailes you. They can be light, RF or 
capacitive based. Are these machines really worth considering?

Then there are magnetic pulsers. These seem to have an advantage over the 
zappers etc. of not requiring direct blood contact to a pathogen to work 
although they may not be 100% effective. They also look to have some usefulness 
in food preservation. It seems that Beck had a good idea of combining magnetic 
pulsers with electric pulses and CS for good overall coverage. They come with 
various coil sizes and operating voltages. And unipolarity magnetic pulses or 
alternating polarity.  

I wonder just what effects cause the various machines to work. The most obvious 
are electrical currents disrupting the protein on the outer membrane of 
pathogens or unidirectional currents creating alkaline or acidic solutions that 
are antimicrobial. But how does a light based Rife machine work? What other 
mechanisms may be at work?

I am currently getting parts to make a magnetic pulser. There are a lot of 
interesting tradeoffs one can make. To start with, I will use a high voltage (1 
to 2 kV) with an alternating waveform. I can design in some adjustibility by 
how I wind a transformer primary winding. The alternating waveform uses a 
resonant RC tank circuit that more energy efficient than a unipolar pulse. It 
appears to me that an alternating waveform should work better than DC pulse if 
generated properly. That leaves open the question of the alternating frequency. 
The ones I have seen for sale use 5 kHz or 70 kHz. I think the frequencies used 
are primarily because the coil inductance is so low and AC HV capacitors have 
low capacitance values. I plan on using more capitance. It will resonate at a 
lower frequency but will provide much higher coil currents and therefore a 
stronger magnetic field. 

Any information anyone can provide on the various technoligies will be 
appreciated. 

 - Steve N

Re: CSMagnetic pulsers, electric pulsers, zilla, et al

[Bob Banever]

Magnetic pulsers, electric pulsers, zilla, et alSteve,

  There is also DC current (low voltage) for cancer.  Here is a late study 
on this technique.

http://www.cancer-treatment.net/The-Medical-Hypotheses-Article.htm

  Very low cost, no side effects, and apparently quite effective.

  Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:54 PM
  Subject: CSMagnetic pulsers, electric pulsers, zilla, et al


  I have read with interest the past comments regarding Clark zappers, Beck 4 
Hz electrifiers, Godzilla, Rife type machines and some time back magnetic 
pulsers. Oh, and I think someone even has the high voltage capacitive plate 
Rife (?) machine. I am not sure what all falls under Rife since there appears 
to be RF, light and capacitive based voltage based machines as a minimum. 

  Anyway, there is a lot of experience here and even some experts in the 
technologies. I wonder which are the best approaches in general. Godzilla and 
the Beck electrifier seem to be at opposite poles. Godzilla forming ionic 
solutions and Beck very intentionally avoiding doing so. Hulda Clark seems 
somewhere in between with Rife type frequencies thrown in. It is not clear to 
me just how important Rife type frequencies are for these type machines. Beck 
machines are said to work best at frequencies of 100 Hz or less. What 
experiences have users here had? I have had some success with Godzilla but have 
not tried the others. I personally lean towards Beck at this time.

  Rife machines have demonstrated a definite correlation  between specific 
frequencies and the destruction of pathogens and perhaps cancerous cells. Cost 
however cause them to be impractical for most. Plus there is great uncertainty 
as to what frequency works for what ailes you. They can be light, RF or 
capacitive based. Are these machines really worth considering?

  Then there are magnetic pulsers. These seem to have an advantage over the 
zappers etc. of not requiring direct blood contact to a pathogen to work 
although they may not be 100% effective. They also look to have some usefulness 
in food preservation. It seems that Beck had a good idea of combining magnetic 
pulsers with electric pulses and CS for good overall coverage. They come with 
various coil sizes and operating voltages. And unipolarity magnetic pulses or 
alternating polarity. 

  I wonder just what effects cause the various machines to work. The most 
obvious are electrical currents disrupting the protein on the outer membrane of 
pathogens or unidirectional currents creating alkaline or acidic solutions that 
are antimicrobial. But how does a light based Rife machine work? What other 
mechanisms may be at work?

  I am currently getting parts to make a magnetic pulser. There are a lot of 
interesting tradeoffs one can make. To start with, I will use a high voltage (1 
to 2 kV) with an alternating waveform. I can design in some adjustibility by 
how I wind a transformer primary winding. The alternating waveform uses a 
resonant RC tank circuit that more energy efficient than a unipolar pulse. It 
appears to me that an alternating waveform should work better than DC pulse if 
generated properly. That leaves open the question of the alternating frequency. 
The ones I have seen for sale use 5 kHz or 70 kHz. I think the frequencies used 
are primarily because the coil inductance is so low and AC HV capacitors have 
low capacitance values. I plan on using more capitance. It will resonate at a 
lower frequency but will provide much higher coil currents and therefore a 
stronger magnetic field.

  Any information anyone can provide on the various technoligies will be 
appreciated.

   - Steve N 

Re: CSMagnetic gadgets, and Frequencies via FREX

[Rowena]

Steve and all, you can download Frex free, which gives you A-Z of frequencies
for all sorts.

True, you could buy some gadget to deliver the frequencies, but Ken
Uzzell who hosts the Yahoo Frex site from Australia, has commented more
than once in some surprise that many people are getting benefit just
from hearing the sounds of the frequencies.  I have also seen others
state that they could feel the effect just from running the frequencies
on their computer even without running them through the headphones.

I have put a number of frequencies on  my iPod; I left it running all
night a week or two ago and was practically useless for three days.  If
there was a connection, I would say there was probably a bit of die-off
going on there.

Somewhere I do have a Silent Broadcaster that I purchased from Rob Lowe atwww.goodvibrations-electrostim.com  
Listers have commented that it is probably only any use very close, as there is no amplification, but as I said, Ken is being told that people are getting results just from having Frex frequencies running on their computer, without further delivery systems.


The problem with the free dowload of the  Frex program is that it stops
every six minutes to ask if you want to register; it's not a huge
problem as you just click the dialogue box shut and hit run again on
your program.  It can be done free.  But when you pay to register, that
stops, and you also get your $80 towards one of the delivery gadgets if
you decide to get one.  Fairly soon I will probably get the plasma lamp Ken 
offers.

But you CAN do it FREE !!

Another thing you can do is use a free recording program to record the 
frequency sounds and put them on your MP3 player or whatever.  Plenty on the 
net via google, or try 
http://download.cnet.com/Free-Sound-Recorder/3000-2168_4-10698910.html or 
Audacity. The discussion group is at
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frex/

Ken Uzzell, a health professional in Australia, owns the site and runs the Frex 
group.

People have very kindly let Ken use their frequency lists, so you can find many Big 
Names on the Frex program.  Also, there are some others that can be found which you 
can add to your program - e.g. I added Ross River Virus and a couple of others to my 
program.  The Hulda Clark frequencies are also there, though they are in very high 
numbers that require some modification to play on Frex.  There is a way to reduce them, 
and I have done it, though I don't remember the instructions so haven't repeated that 
triumph.

http://heal-me.com.au   - You can see from the column on the left the various 
links, including to an audio massage program called Chi-Amp.  Also on the left 
is the link to the program and to the delivery systems available, e.g. a 
modified plasma lamp.  Also lots of other information there.  Ken is looking 
into the liposomal delivery systems, also, according to discussion on the Frex 
group.

Ken's Tagline is:
HealMe Foundation
A New Humanity Associate

Rowena



Any information anyone can provide on the various technoligies will be 
appreciated.


 - Steve N

CSBodhisattva's bug spray

[Renee]

Hey Bodhisattva.  I was going to make your bug spray (thanks for the recipe)
and was wondering why you put it in the fridge.  Since you are using vinegar
 refrigerating it is not necessary for storage.  I'm wondering if you feel
it is an energetic thing?

Samala,
Renee

Re: CSMagnetic pulsers, electric pulsers, zilla, et al

[Brickeyk]

 
In a message dated 5/18/2010 7:54:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
stephen.nor...@ngc.com writes:

Cost  however cause them to be impractical for most. Plus there is great 
uncertainty  as to what frequency works for what ailes you. They can be 


You can use your PC to generate frequencies. There used to be a free  
program called Fregen which lets you use your PC. I believe most had to buy a  
sound card and even an amplifier if more amps were desired. The cost would be  
around what your Godzilla cost. I think they are also limited in frequency 
but  sub harmonics could be calculated and used on your PC. I thought about 
going  this way but decided that I had enough money to buy the GB-4000, it 
has a  carrier frequency so even with 240 volts and a 10 amp amplifier  I 
can't feel any shock. It also has a bunch of treatments pre  programmed and I 
still can use sweeps or enter my own program. Cost when I  bought was around 
$2000 including the amplifier.
Brickey 

CS[List Owner] I'm back, and...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks,

I'm back from an exhausting weekend trip to see my eldest son graduate 
from college. All of that went marvelously -- he graduated magna cum 
laud -- but it's taken me the last two days to begin to recover my 
stamina and get caught up on everything. 

Fortunately I was able to clear my e-mail Friday night using daughter's 
laptop and wi-fi at the hotel, so I had a couple less days' worth of 
catching up to do, but Saturday was too busy to get online and we 
travelled all day Sunday.

PLEASE READ the following:

So, I'm back, and it's time for me to bring the list back around to 
what it is meant to be. We've been wandering too far afield of late, 
and that needs to be improved upon. An old friend of the list had this 
to say about us:

 At one time, the Silver List was one place that people could go to
 get good balanced information on health topics, as presented by real
 personal experience and applied science, being shared by individuals
 who only had one interest:  the health and well being of each other in
 relationship to the primary purpose of the list... and especially for
 those newcomers.  

A good description of what we're supposed to be doing.

Colloidal silver is pretty simple: you put silver ions in water by 
electrolysis, and get the direct effect of silver ions killing germs. 
The basic concept is consistent with other things like antibiotics and 
disinfectants that people are familiar with, and the various mechanisms 
involved can be reasonably viewed within the framework of conventional 
science.

This makes colloidal silver a good entry point into the realm of 
alternative health and medicine for the uninitiated. It's less of a 
stretch for someone to believe that an easily understood home remedy 
can compete with multibillion dollar pharmaceuticals than asking them 
to throw out all of science and medicine and launch into the 
exploration of subtle and invisible energies and similar arcana.  

Which is why the main list is supposed to be oriented toward the 
production, use, and development of colloidal silver and needs to steer 
clear of discussing esoterica that WILL drive ordinary people away 
thinking we're all a bunch of loonies and CS must be BS.

I don't think we're loonies, and I enjoy these topics, too, but every 
one of these threads that extends beyond a few posts is scaring away 
the very people we are here to help. It's okay to MENTION other 
therapies and give references, but NOT to go into detailed discussions.

Lives depend on how well we do.

Just because it's posted doesn't mean you need to answer it. If things 
are going wildly off topic, do not contribute to the problem. We have 
threads on dowsing, orgonite, chromatherapy, spirits and subtle 
energies, as well as seemingly any other thing that occurs to anybody. 
Any paragraph that starts with 'The Church has done tremendous damage 
to humanity...' is clearly something that should NOT EVER be found on 
the main list, to single out one of Bodhisattva's posts as a 
particularly apt example.

You're each capable of discernment. I believe and expect that of you. 
If you want to sieze this product of my efforts and warp it to purposes 
that are at odds with my vision of it's mission, it is within your 
power to do so. But, then, what is your purpose here?

Due to health issues and other circumstances, I am not able to hover 
over the group and referee each thread. I might not be able to read the 
messages every day, so you have plenty of opportunities to drag things 
off into the weeds before I can drag them back. Please don't.

Anything about CS can usually be discussed at length. Other health-
related questions are accepted -- indeed they're inevitable and 
worthwhile -- and non-CS-related topics may be introduced in answer. 

Your answers on non-CS options should provide a basic description, 
point out references for further study, and deal with any initial or 
superficial questions that can be answered easily and briefly. Then the 
threads should be ended or moved to more appropriate venues.

The more esoteric the subject matter, the more briefly and quietly it 
should be presented. Such subjects should never be permitted to 
dominate the group or set the overall tone of discussion. This is for 
the purpose of keeping the group newbie friendly enough that people 
will stay around long enough to gain the primary benefit of our 
knowledge of CS.

Hopefully, with deftly handled and repeated exposure to more advanced 
or esoteric topics, those who are open to them will be motivated to 
explore further... If so, wonderful. Meanwhile, we won't be scaring off 
people who are less ready but still need our help.

The more prominent you choose to be in the conversation, the more 
responsibility you bear in helping set and maintain the right tone. 

... good balanced information on health topics, as presented by real 
personal experience and applied science, being shared by individuals 
who only had one