Re: CS>Fwd: Any thoughts on this article

[mgperrault]

I would immediately take lysine and vitamin C and look into zapping, 
either Bob Beck or Hulda Clark. Sooner the better!   You wont cure post 
herpetic neuralgia in my experience.  Research about vaccines because 
they can cause a stronger outbreak in older people.   Aspirin may be 
counterindicated because of viral shedding.   Lemon balm/ melissa 
officinalis is one herb.  Chaparral another.   Do it all, and quickly



On 9/25/2015 12:06 PM, RaVen wrote:

Does CS help people who suffer from shingles?
My mother just got it a few days ago.


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Re: CS. Rife technology

[mgperrault]

jess, you could check out the site Electroherbalism.  My experience is 
that inexpensive handheld devices were as effective as plasma units.  
Thats not to say that they ARE in fact as effective.  I experimented for 
several years. The plasma units have the radio frequency component which 
irritated my skin and kidneys. Yet the frequency which can kill the Rife 
Cancer virus is in the radio range too.   Who has duplicated Rifes 
original cancer cure success?


M


On 3/11/2015 12:13 PM, Jess wrote:


it sounds like many on the list have a rife type device. if someone is 
knowledgeable, please give the names of the best ones. If there's a 
version that is low cost but good quality, please let me know. thanks. 
Jess


*From:*Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:48 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CSThis Is Amazing... Rife technology

I own several of these...Didnt do much for me

But i will say i think its important to be able to see a practitioner 
that has the testing device called the deta professional


This way you can keep changing ur treatment device to ensure ur going 
after the right problems


Paul



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For Nenah again.
Comment?
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Re: CSTwo studies shows risk with nanosilver for eye and brain

[mgperrault]

You can see the little nano bits of silver or gold in the photos.  They 
are there in the tissue, and spread through your body, not just eyes.  
Is it totally harmless to have them in your tissues, mitochondria and 
interstitial spaces? Probably not.  Its the choice one makes to use a 
fairly harmless antibiotic.  A certain amount of silver exists in 
food.Becker found that silver could de-differentiate cells.  A 
powerful bioactive metal, potentially useful for healing, altering or 
killing.



M


On 12/17/2014 10:40 AM, nessie wrote:

Excellent question Tam.
I am another common Joe.
I sort of gathered that you should not use c/s on the eyes.
Grant.
**
On 17/12/2014 8:50 AM, Tam Gray wrote:
Can you translate this?  In conclusion, what does this mean for a Joe 
like myself?


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http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0105359representation=PDF


http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0058211representation=PDF

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Re: CSDo-It-Yourself Dehydroascorbic Vitamin C

[mgperrault]

Doug Kitt,

Well done!  Thank you for sharing your work.  Excellent information.   
Best of luck with your venture.  I am sure there is a lot of interesting 
information regarding the biochemistry of dehydroascorbic vit c.Any 
info you are inclined to share is most welcome.   I seem to recall that 
the body uses both DHAA and AA a little differently  and can convert 
them.   I wonder if there are interactions with CS and AA and DHAA...


thanks again...



mgp



On 8/8/2014 4:46 PM, Doug wrote:


Dehydroascorbic acid (DHAA) is a form of vitamin C that is absorbed 
much better than common ascorbic acid (AA). When taken orally, 5 grams 
of DHAA results in peak blood plasma vitamin C levels twice as high as 
AA or liposomal C. DHAA for dietary use can be made by an economical, 
do-it-yourself method right at home. I have published a YouTube video 
that teaches you how to make it. This is a very long video (45 
minutes) that discusses the science behind why DHAA is absorbed so 
much better, shows actual blood absorption data comparing various oral 
forms of vitamin C, and demonstrates in great detail the DIY method 
for making DHAA. People who are interested in achieving high blood 
levels of vitamin C will be very interested. I am going to post a link 
to this video here, but before I do, please be informed of the 
following disclosure and notice:


My name is Doug Kitt, and I am a commercial vendor of vitamin C 
products. I have a commercial interest in the video. The name of my 
company is mentioned several times, and one of my products is briefly 
discussed. You will be asked for a donation at the end of the video. 
Furthermore, data is presented that some people consider critical of 
liposomal C. If any of these things is likely to offend you, please 
don't click on the link!


http://youtu.be/YHKBhz7OCB4

Re: CSRE: CS Altman Report

[mgperrault]

On 8/7/2014 7:59 PM, Phil Morrison wrote:


Jim Holmes - there is always a concentration of pathogens on the
reticuloendothelium of the lymph nodes, liver, and spleen.  It is
natural for silver nanoparticles to congregate in these areas.

Pathogens draw CS particles like a magnet.




 I have it that silver collects in other interstitial spaces as well.

Do you have something on pathogens drawing CS like a magnet?  Do you 
know what the motive force is?


Thanks


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Re: CSHORRIBLE SHINGLES

[mgperrault]

Neville

My mother had shingles. It nearly killed her.  Dont mess 
around/experiment for your own curiosity.  Do everything you can do as 
soon as possible. Post herpetic neuralgia is hell


M

On 8/21/2013 9:02 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

Hi Melly,

Look, please don't think I'm an ingrate, I am appreciative of all 
suggestions regarding Shingles treatments, but must confess I know 
less than zero about all/any of the other stuff used.  Simply put I 
suppose, I have a mindset that dictates if I use any other protocol I 
will never be able to categorically state EIS alone fixed a particular 
health issue.


I'm familiar with the infrared light because if I'm right, they are 
the things we used for chickens for warmth until they grew a bit.


Her case is most certainly more severe than our lads case that's for 
sure.  I could count the blisters which broke the skin on the fingers 
or one hand in his case, the rest seemed to disappear from the inside 
before breaking the skin.  His case was fairly ugly, but this case is 
much uglier.  It still bugs me I didn't follow the same protocol now 
as I did with him gr.


If I may, I will use your time frame to monitor this case.  I fixed 
our lads case in around 7 days from memory, the remaining week was 
just the complete recovery stage.  It was perfectly obvious we were on 
top of it towards the end of the first week of treatment.


Age related ...month or year to heal  Good grief, she could be in 
for the long haul with this case then.  Her case is worse than the 
lads though so I will have to monitor it for a while by the sound of 
things.


Thank You for the information, I really do appreciate it, and to 
reiterate, all other input also.  I just don't really want to go down 
any other path due to not being in a position to point the finger at 
ONE thing that may have fixed an issue.  It will always be a question 
of - was it this that fixed it, or was it that?  I like to remove all 
doubt so I KNOW what worked without having to question it g.  Just 
my Neanderthal mindset.


She probly doesn't have a great surface area of issue {don't know, 
don't know anything about Shingles} mainly two small areas on left 
side of back and another larger area on left side of stomach just 
above belt line.


Today I sprayed the lower back area and also soaked the knickers at 
the site.  Not a great deal I can do with the stomach though, only 
spray the area and soak the clothing at that site.  All areas have 
been sprayed each day a few times prior, but not the clothing.


If amount of lesions, or lesions apparent over a given area is 
indicative of any potential ongoing pain I will soon find out once 
recovery is well under way, and then thereafter.  I'm quietly 
confident though slight smile visible.


N.


From: tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:03:43 -0500
Subject: CSHORRIBLE SHINGLES

I just got over shingles in May and it was so severe.  The pain was 
like someone was ironing my skin and inside of me was like being 
sliced by a blade. Blisters and lesions were many.

Re: CSHORRIBLE SHINGLES

[mgperrault]

Get a cheap zapper if you dont have one. Use immediately.  Violet ray 
may help.  Check electroherbalism.  Mix large doses of vitamin C with 
lecithin in a blender.  Take to bowel tolerance
I know you have faith in CS, thats fine. Its justthe potential for 
suffering is great




On 8/22/2013 1:35 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Don't misunderstand me or get me wrong, I'm not doing this for any 
selfish or egotistical reason, I'm not playing lab scientist here. 
 EIS worked perfectly before and I'm confident it will work this time, 
just may take longer due to this case being a tad more severe.  Apart 
from the suggestions already put forward there apparently is nothing 
in the mainstream arsenal that can help once Shingles is full blown.


Either way if it works or not, or if it may be of interest to anyone 
else or not, I intend to inform here regardless, I'm just a little 
concerned regarding time frame before recovery is evident this time.


N.


Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:55:44 -0700
From: mgperra...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHORRIBLE SHINGLES

Neville

My mother had shingles. It nearly killed her.  Dont mess 
around/experiment for your own curiosity.  Do everything you can do as 
soon as possible. Post herpetic neuralgia is hell


M

On 8/21/2013 9:02 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

Hi Melly,

Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2013 #237

[mgperrault]

radionuclides in various complexed forms from Fukushima, maybe?   Like 
buckyballs, black mystery powder, hot particles, etc


On 8/20/2013 3:32 PM, Marshall wrote:
What kind of radiation?  I don't understand the question.  There are 
lots of kinds of radiation, infrared, light, radio waves, ultra 
violet, gamma rays, alpha, beta.  NONE of those stick around for more 
than a millionth of a second, so I am not sure what you are talking about.


Marshall

On 8/18/2013 11:34 PM, melly wrote:


Tara,

I spoke to the maker of our distiller.  He said that radiation will 
remain in the distiller's chambers.  How do we get rid of those?


My distiller has coils...it would be impossible to clean it he said.  
Even the reachable areas if scrubbed will not get rid of radiation.  
I can't understand this.


Is radiation not coming off when scrubbed?  Please anyone have a 
suggestion on how to remove radiation from stainless steel distillers?


Melly

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Re: CShello! Migraines and food alergies.

[mgperrault]

did you try changing your sleep location?  No apnea?

MG

On 4/20/2013 10:39 AM, melissa adams wrote:
I am pretty careful in regards to my diet and haven't found any 
indicators. I have gone many days without grains or dairy and still 
got them. I don't eat and grains or sugar and basically eat very 
'clean'. The strange thing about my migraines is that 99% of them 
occur while I sleep, so I wake up with it.



Missy :)


From: judydownma...@roadrunner.com
To: judydownma...@roadrunner.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CShello! Migraines and food alergies.
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:25:11 -0400


Migraines can be food-allergy related.  Quite common.
The problem is,  you may eat it for dinner, and the effects may 
not show up til the next morning.
There may be a lag with food.  Therefore, you need to write down every 
single item that goes into your mouth

 for several weeks. Often the pattern becomes obvious.
JudyDownMaine

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*From:* melissa adams [mailto:missy.ad...@live.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:00 PM
*To:* CS
*Subject:* RE: CShello!

Thank you for the suggestion! I see they are available on Amazon. Any 
idea how an antacid helps a migraine? Seems odd to me.



Missy :)


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CShello!
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:09:00 +1030

G'Day Missy.

I can give you a thought on migraine, get some Rennies or Quikeze 
indigestion tablets, procurable almost anywhere, they'll do the trick. 
 Pop one in the mouth immediately you feel a migraine coming on and it 
should stop it in its tracks.


N.


From: missy.ad...@live.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:04:57 -0500
Subject: CShello!

Good morning! My name is Missy and I'm new here. Thank you for 
including me as I'm always looking for new, natural ways to heal my 
body. I started learning about CS as I search for an answer to 
migraines. I have recently been showing many symptoms of 
hypothyroidism and want to try CS to feel better.  I feel that my 
symptoms could all just be linked to a candida overgrowth. I would 
love to hear some thoughts on this!

Thanks!


Missy :)

Re: CSStem Cell

[mgperrault]

Good question though.  Of course Becker showed that silver 
de-differentiates cells, which sounds for all the world like a stem 
cell.  The bodies (low) voltage induces the regeneration, along with 
even the phagocytes (interestingly)and a host of other factors.  
Nerve potentials are a big factor.  But what happens if we simply de 
differentiate cells?  sounds possibly catastrophicdoesnt it? In 
heavy metal we trust.


M

On 3/21/2013 11:27 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
My two bobs worth would be ~ I doubt it.  I don't think stem cells are 
just random in the body, they have to be induced in combination or in 
conjunction with the bodies natural electrical charge developed at the 
wound site is my understanding.  This is of course in general terms 
and exclusive of any specific stem cell research performed in 
laboratories for whatever reason.


N.


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:58 -0700
From: tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSStem Cell

Does anyone know if taking colloidal silver/EIS orally will help make 
stem cells?

Thanks.
Melly

Re: CSStem Cell

[mgperrault]

How I remember it is that silver ions alone de differentiate, but that 
the voltage was required for the regeneration.  Becker could take a 
nerve from the skin and reroute it to the injury and this was enough 
voltage for regeneration, but indeed in humans the natural voltage will 
reverse too soon for full regeneration.  Bones produce voltage from the 
piezo electric effect, but they have to be stressed for this, hence 
using a broken limb sooner than later.  There are also stem cells all 
over the body.  Silver could be half the equation for major 
regeneration, if only we could properly engineer the voltagewhich 
does not seem very hard.  But de differentiated cells without the proper 
re-differentiation seems like it could be a scar tissue promoter.  
Indeed a family member showed me scar tissue on his for-arm after having 
kept it bandaged with CS.


M


On 3/22/2013 5:55 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
If memory serves, Becker showed that the body generates a small 
voltage directly upon initiation of and at the site of the wound or 
insult.


I wonder if that automatic generation of voltage the body produces at 
the site, which I think he had to get special instrumentation 
engineered to register, is some primeval message the body sends out to 
promote de-differentiation and re-differentiation of tissue or bone 
back to stem cells specific to the tissue or bone encouraging self 
repair, but once the body reaches a certain age those messages or that 
line of communication is lost or broken, hence that self repair is 
inhibited and/or lost forever.


My other wondering is...Do Ag+ ions assist in bridging that gap in 
that line of communication the body is sending out looking for stem 
cells?  This may explain why Ag+ ions are so effective at the wound or 
insult site, they are working in conjunction with the bodies natural 
defence and/or repair mechanisms that have lain dormant once a certain 
age is reached, in all probability lost at the infant or child level?


This a bit over my head being a layman but find it's extremely 
interesting to ponder such things.


N.

 From: a...@aptech.co.za
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:01:56 +0200
 Subject: Re: CSStem Cell

 From what i remember Becker applied a voltage along the limb to near 
the far side of the
 wound. His innovation was that it is the presence of silver and the 
application of voltage that
 stimulated the dedifferentiaton/redifferentiaton (regeneration) of 
the rats limb. We, and rats
 don't have that voltage which salamanders do have, to regenerate. 
Lots of food for thought in

 Beckers books.

 OK,
 Tony

 On 21 Mar 2013 at 23:33, mgperrault wrote about :

Re: CSTooth infection

[mgperrault]

It will never be good with the mercury filling.  You could try to 
contain the infection with the zapping, then get the filling replaced 
with composite.   Composites are strong and will hold the tooth 
together.  The crack may heal somewhat by keeping the infection down and 
using something like Prospec MI paste. Along with vit D and K2.   If you 
cant control the infection, some people think pulling is preferable to 
root canals.  There are a few dentists that use extreme root canal anti 
bacterial pre treatment, lasers and what not.   Root canals never seem 
very healthy.  Teeth are a problem without solutions.   If you could 
find a dentist who uses ozone treatment, this would kill the infection, 
then the body could remineralize to some extent, but still you need to 
replace the mercury amalgam.   Everybody seems to trust their dentist.  
I dont know why, since for years they have been using mecury amalgams as 
if straight out of the dark ages. Hard to say if you could trust the 
x-ray right after zapping with the godzilla (DC zapper). You could be 
talked into a root canal.   If you dont have pain, you could keep at it 
for a while, zapping, stimulating blood flow, taking some colloidal 
silver, then go back.  Be advised that zapping may release some mercury, 
and this could be really bad for your nervous system. Clay could be 
used, just put a bunch in your mouth while you zap.For parasites, 
consider Hulda Clarks herbal regime and some kind of alternating current 
zapper.


M


On 3/13/2013 2:45 PM, Heather W wrote:


Thanks so much for the advice! This thread is so incredibly helpful!

I do trust my dentist. However, I wish it was that simple. I do not 
have insurance or the thousands of dollars to takes for a root canal 
and crown. I will use the dental zapper I just built then go back for 
another x-ray. I did not ask him what it would cost if the infection 
was not there. Maybe just a crown.


Also I have been having problems with digestive parasites.  And I'm 
thinking lung parasites too. I made a zapper with toothbrushes. Should 
I make one with sponges for digestive or lung purposes?  And what 
placement and for how long should I use the zapper for those two areas 
to have the best effects? Thanks again!


On Mar 13, 2013 12:47 PM, Heather W heatherwy...@gmail.com 
mailto:heatherwy...@gmail.com wrote:


I just got back from the dentist. He did an xray on my mercury
amalgam filling to see what it would cost to take it out. He said
because of the expanding and contracting of the filling I now have
a crack down the tooth and int ok the root. He said it is infected
and could start bothering me really soon, or not for a while. But
it WILL end up being a problem. I am wondering if anyone has had
success in treating a tooth infection of this magnitude with CS?
And if so, what techniques did you use? Thank you in advance for
the advice!

Heather

Re: CSBrooks Cataractliposome

[mgperrault]

Mr Bradley

Your many researches and sharing of information is greatly appreciated 
by many.


Since you make an appearance here on this forum, I will take the 
opportunity to ask your opinion on liposomes, another of your wonderful 
experiments.


We were unable to find any literature that suggested liposomes make it 
intact beyond the lining of the small intestine.  Further, if they are 
injected directly into the blood stream, there is a massive immune 
response clearing them quickly.


There seems to be an idea widely held that the liposomes are absorbed 
intact, and merge with cells directly, and this gives 2 to 5, or greater 
bio-availability.  After scanning pub med articles, this idea seems to 
be urban myth.  Yet, clinicians and laypersons seem to like the results 
of liposome encapsultated vitamin C, and there is a trend toward 
microencapsulation of other substances.  The best idea we can formulate 
so far is that the lecithin liposomes protect the enclosed ingredient 
somewhat from the stomach, are broken down in the small intestine, 
digested down to molecular levels and reformulated into chylomicrons, a 
standard biological process for fats.  The increase in bioavailability 
remains a mystery.  The body uses the so called sodium depended pump 
uptake system for vit C.  It seems possible that the ascorbic acid might 
ride on fat uptake pathways, or simply that there is greater gut 
retention time, and this gives a moderate increase in plasma ascorbate 
levels. In any case, the small increase of plasma ascorbic acid, and 
only at the highest level of intake, as suggested by the literature 
seems hardly enough to account for the rave reviews of people taking, 
and making, liposomal preparations.


Your thoughts on this interesting subject are appreciated.

Thank you

Marcy

On 3/8/2013 2:52 PM, Brooks Bradley wrote:

   Dear Roger,
   If you are considering self-experimentation and/or
protocols developed for evaluations involving cats or dogs, etc..I
suggest you consider DIY approach, using readily-available bulk
quantity substances.  e.g.  We used bulk Carnosine
powder (about $25.00 for 50 grams) [source was Beyond-a-Century.com ].  One
might use Carnitine, instead for Carnosine, but there is better
evidence for the
Carnosine  derivative over the Carnitine ..in such applications as
ancillary
elements in addressing cataract presentations.  One of the most simple, and
effective combinations which we employed is one wherein a solution of
1% [or even 2% in some cases], by volume, of  Saturated-solution of
Carnosine is
mixed with 5% undiluted DMSO, by volume.and the remaining 97%/98%,
by volume, is distilled water.  The parent stock (the mixed solution)
will last quite some time (some months), if not subjected to freezing
and/or heating cycles.
Applications of these eye-drops one to 3 times daily, yielded
excellent responses for the vast majority of experimental cases
(animal pets and humans  alike).of better than
80%, from among our experimental subjects.
 If you are considering the use of the Carnitine fraction,
instead of the Carnosine..I suggest you read up on the EXACT
differences via a web search.
 Actually, we accomplished EVEN BETTER RESULTS from a solution
containing a couple of other non-toxic amendments---but I will not
recommend
their inclusionas our data involving their inclusion is far
too limited for a general extrapolation.
 Incidentally, our research achieved SPLENDID EFFECTS from the
utilization of astaxanthin  (and this was accomplished some YEARS
before the
current episode of general endorsements by the mainstream alternative health
communityfor using astaxanthin).  Additionally, oral incorporation
of astaxanthin
has demonstrated (especially recently) to be UNUSUALLY effective in
addressing macular degeneration.  Achieving corrective influence in
some cases,
and prevention of advancementin approximately 75% of all volunteers.
To our present knowledge, NO OTHER extant protocol (chemical or mechanical)
has displayed ANY measurable influence on macular degeneration.  Our
results were the result of anecdotal (as against double-blind)
protocols, so are susceptible to denigration from the extremist
segment of the allopathic community.
   I suggest you prosecute a general Web-search on astaxanthin
as a supportive protocol for macular degenerationyou should
receive much
useful information/data.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.

.




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Re: CSnatural blood thinners . . .

[mgperrault]

How to triple or quadruple your chances of stroke and heart attack;  
Abruptly stop taking low dose aspirin.   Go off slowly.
How to deactivate all your platelets for four days;  take one dose of 
30mg aspirin.  (McDougal)
How to prevent clots and heart attacks;  Avoid hydrogenated fats and 
cooked or rancid fats.  Take vit C with lysine, Vit E and alpha lipoic 
acid.
Nattokinase works differently than other thinners.  Its an enzyme that 
dissolves fibrin







On 3/4/2013 7:00 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just a layman's perspective so don't go off on a wild tangent and 
think I'm having a go at you here...


I'd rather take aspirin that Warfarin, which is rat poison, and as I 
understand it, 'thinning the blood' to a point whereby the heart just 
ceases to function, bleed to death if you like.  Aspirin has been used 
since Adam wore short pants.  Quantity or amount taken according to 
the circumstance.  While 'blood thinner' may not be politically 
correct at least it's globally recognised and understood as preventing 
clots without having a doctorate or degree to understand the why's and 
wherefore's g.


I'm not smart enough to understand the complexities of what it does or 
how it works, and I certainly wouldn't wade through a heap of human 
biological jargon and terminologies to try to understand it, if it 
worked for my ancestors it'll work for me, that's about all I need to 
know.


A while ago here in Australia there was a media campaign trying to put 
people off taking aspirin for just such a purpose...I wonder why that 
would be {nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say n'more}...Why self medicate 
and possibly cause more harm than good when the establishment to do it 
for you g.  If I'm going to die, by and large, I'd rather it be by 
my own hand than someone else's.


Again, I'm not having a go here, just voicing a layman's perspective 
{friend, mate, pal, buddy}.


N.


Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:48:30 -0800
From: sky_wav...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSnatural blood thinners . . .
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

contrary to popular belief, blood thinners do not THIN the blood
taking blood thinners (eg aspirin, coumadin, etc.) do not thin the blood

what blood thinners do is either impair platelet functioning or 
impair clotting factor production/function

taking blood thinners does NOT make blood thinner (more watery)
increasing fluid intake can reduce dehydration, reducing hematocrit, 
which is the lab number for liquid to solid ratio of the blood -
a lower hematocrit # translates into more liquid blood with less 
solid (blood cells) in it


many health care professionals mislead the public by using the words 
blood thinner and
in my experience many health care professionals don't even understand 
the concept themselves


there is likely a limit to how watery one can make blood,
as the kidneys are designed to regulate the amount of water in the 
body via various feedback loops ...
damaged kidneys can impair body water regulation (as can damage to the 
endocrine system

which is involved in messaging body hydration throughout the organism

please folks, use the term blood thinning accurately
do some research; google platelet function (such as platelet 
aggregation) and google clotting factors or clotting factor cascade


GS


*F*

Re: CSquestion about earthing material

[mgperrault]

what power source, and how do you hook it up?  Becker was specific about 
the voltagevery low. Seems like one would have to calculate the 
area, keep the two electrodes from touching, have a battery older etc.



On 1/26/2013 10:19 AM, James McDonald wrote:
I use their rip-stop silver fabric to make powered silver bandages I 
have several different sized cut(in the shape of bandaids  pads) with 
a small power source to run silver ios off of the bandaids. My 
neighbor who has diabetess and had an ulcer from the knee to the 
ankle, it has been opened for over 5 years. It only took 2 months with 
wearing the silver bandaid 2 hours a day. Worked great! No scar's and 
healed nicely. I am making several of these so my kids will have them 
as well as neighbors who already want them. I have told them of the 
cost of material, they still want them. Buying the material in bulk 
would be cheaper, but I have just handwashed the silver fabric just to 
be extra careful!


*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSquestion about earthing material

A natural would be cotton or bamboo or silk interlaced with carbon 
thread.  If this is not available, I think one could buy carbon thread 
or conductive thread and just sew a few zig zag patterns in the foot 
region of a spread.  just glanced at this page with some conductive 
silver plated fabrics. 
http://www.fine-silver-productsnet.com/shmefayaandf.html


On 1/26/2013 12:01 AM, Nenah Sylver wrote:

This is addressed to Bonita Poulin and anyone else who might know.
Thanks to some very informative discussions in this group, I am ready 
to buy some Earthing material with which to make a half-sheet for my 
bed. Bonita had written: “I just received the fabric and grounding 
cord I ordered from www.lessEMF.com http://www.lessemf.com/ . The 
fabric covers most of my queen size bed. Total cost, including USDS 
shipping was $69.50, much cheaper than the ready made grounding 
sheets sold online.”
It is indeed a great price. The only thing, the material sold on this 
site is polyester. I like natural fibers, and am wondering how 
comfortable you found this material. Also, have you felt better since 
sleeping on this?
Researching more into this, I’ve found that the conductive silver 
threads can break (thus losing their conductivity), so the sheets 
must be handled carefully.

Any info you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Nenah
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, the NEW //Rife Handbook// (2011)
//Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy//(2004)
VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com http://www.nenahsylver.com/; 
www.rifehandbook.com http://www.rifehandbook.com/

Re: CSquestion about earthing material

[mgperrault]

A natural would be cotton or bamboo or silk interlaced with carbon 
thread.  If this is not available, I think one could buy carbon thread 
or conductive thread and just sew a few zig zag patterns in the foot 
region of a spread.  just glanced at this page with some conductive 
silver plated fabrics. 
http://www.fine-silver-productsnet.com/shmefayaandf.html


On 1/26/2013 12:01 AM, Nenah Sylver wrote:


This is addressed to Bonita Poulin and anyone else who might know.

Thanks to some very informative discussions in this group, I am 
ready to buy some Earthing material with which to make a half-sheet 
for my bed. Bonita had written: I just received the fabric and 
grounding cord I ordered from www.lessEMF.com 
http://www.lessemf.com/ . The fabric covers most of my queen size 
bed. Total cost, including USDS shipping was $69.50, much cheaper than 
the ready made grounding sheets sold online.


It is indeed a great price. The only thing, the material sold on 
this site is polyester. I like natural fibers, and am wondering how 
comfortable you found this material. Also, have you felt better since 
sleeping on this?


Researching more into this, I've found that the conductive silver 
threads can break (thus losing their conductivity), so the sheets must 
be handled carefully.


Any info you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, the NEW //Rife Handbook// (2011)

//Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy//(2004)

VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification

www.nenahsylver.com http://www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com 
http://www.rifehandbook.com

Re: CSsilver and DMSO for abcessed tooth

[mgperrault]

On 1/20/2013 4:35 PM, JERRY PRENDERGAST wrote:

Hi,
Anyone know if DMSO and homemade silver could help an abscessed tooth 
and prevent a root canal? If so what would be the protocol please.

Thanks, Sandy
Seems like it would work, but havent had much success with that.  On the 
other hand, DC zapping, godzilla style, using an inexpensive lantern 
battery and sponges seems to work pretty well.  Clove oil is pretty 
effective.  DMSO with clove and CS might be worth an experiment.  An 
inexpensive laser shows promise.  You can get a certain dye and use this 
with a laser and this is supposed to be effective.   Ozone is said to 
work wonders, but the problem is you cant breath it or it makes havoc 
with your lungs.   I hold my breath, delivering the ozone through a 
small tube.  But you would really have to work this out, and be consistent.

Re: CSDr. Bjorn Nordstrom and Cancer

[mgperrault]

I tried the technique. Unfortunately, no benefit, but it was a single 
application.  Invasive it was. Between Becker and Nordstrom, I still 
believe in the technique even though I havent seen it work personally.


m

On 1/11/2013 9:01 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
I think if you google 'electric man' you may find something, it's a 
long time ago since I delved into this blokes research, not much 
available in the public domain from my experience.  He inserted silver 
wires coupled to electricity into breast cancers from memory, and 
killed the cancers in numerous women, intrusive perhaps, but it worked.


As per normal though, his research died when he died.  He was advised 
to make his research available to his peers, but he was more 
interested in people than publishing and chose not to, that's probly 
why I can't find too much about the man and his research.


N.


Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:22:09 -0800
From: davidra...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSDr. Bjorn Nordstrom and Cancer

I just ran across this claim that I had never heard:

Dr. Bjorn Nordstrom, of the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, has used 
silver in his cancer cure method for many years. He says the whole 
thing is very simple. This brought rapid remission in patients given 
up by other doctors.


Anyone know anything about this?  I am extremely interested in 
references that support the use of silver with cancer.


David

Re: CSOT - zappers

[mgperrault]

3 to the left?

Back in the day, we were wondering what could be the resonant structure 
that was responsible for Rife action.  I was corresponding with Char to 
some extent then.  One of the possibilities was DNA length.  Char 
noticed some corresponding numbers of rife mortal oscillatory rates 
with DNA length if she took very low harmonic subdivisions.  But the 
true rife frequencies were obscured at that point because of a lack of 
understanding about the heterodyned audio plus radio carrier. 
Nevertheless, there were some reports of effectiveness using Chars 
calculated frequencies.  My question is; how low can you go? Oscillation 
implies resonance.  If you shove a swing every time, in sync with its 
natural frequency, then you can get it to swing high.  But if you shove 
it, say only every 1/1000, of its natural frequency, it will not work.  
Put the swing in water and it wont work at all.   What is the damping of 
DNA, electromagnetically? Its very complicated at those small sizes.  
Google plasmon decay of nano antenna.


So what is the length of HIV dna and what would its EM frequency be if 
it were an antenna?  I may be wrong, but it seems to be in the range of 
1000 kbp, which would put it in the range of infrared light.  So we are 
talking 3 000 000 000 000 cycles per second. Even if you hit the DNA 
every millionth time, way below its resonant ringing time, you are still 
looking at 6 or 7 digits to the left, and no simple generator is going 
to do this for you.


If you look at Rifes original frequencies for the cancer virus, you get 
around 1 500 000 Hz.   This was achieved by mixing a radio wave and an 
audio modulation.  This itself could be a subharmonic, or it was acting 
on some larger structure


So, this figure of required accuracy of 3 to the left, 2 to the right 
strikes me as being way out of the ballpark.  You have to ask if you are 
trying to achieve an oscillatory destruction of the virus, what 
structure are you vibrating, and what is the damping rate.


M


On 12/28/2012 8:28 AM, Maple Springs Farm wrote:

mostly 3 to the left and 2 to the right

On 26.12.2012 14:03, PT Ferrance wrote:

Thanks. Would you share how many digits left and right of decimal point?
PT

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FROM: Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com
TO: silver-list@eskimo.com
SENT: Wed, December 26, 2012 12:15:11 PM
SUBJECT: Re: CSOT - zappers

 i have 2 emem's
one is from dan tracy
one is from rifelabs.com (he is dead now)
the rifelabs is more exact where you can dial in
char's frequencies are pretty specific
you need a machine that is going to hit the nail on the head (rifelabs)
not ballpark (like my dan tracy machine does)

On 26.12.2012 11:45, PT Ferrance wrote:

What delivery system did you use to deliver her frequencies? Did you
listen to them? Use hand holds, self-adhesive electrodes... or some
other system?
Thanks.
PT




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Re: CSOT - zapper burns

[mgperrault]

local current is enough to cause necrosis.  This is different than 
oscillatory destruction. Harmonics of audio square waves are unlikely to 
excite resonance with DNA strands, which would be somewhere close to 
infrared wavelengths in my humble estimation.  Low resistance points are 
somehow caused due to electrode and skin character, and this causes the 
current to channel through that one small point. Beckers book Perils and 
Promise of electromedicine gives a good explanation


M


On 12/28/2012 8:26 AM, Marshall wrote:
Salt has nothing to do with it.  The fast rising edge of the waveform 
has a lot of harmonics, some of which resonant with the DNA of the 
pathogen, and breaks the DNA apart.  Then the bias causes the pieced 
to get drawn apart before they can recombine, destroying the 
pathogen.  I have seen movies of bacteria getting blown apart by these 
resonances.


If what you were saying is true, then it would only affect the area 
near where the electrodes are placed, but fact is zapping kills 
everything within the field of the wave.


Marshall

On 12/28/2012 7:14 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



  Salt is what produces the corrosive chemicals [hypochlorous acid 
and sodium hydroxide]...and that's the whole reason to use a zapper 
[change the PH of the blood in a localized area]

Try eliminating the salt in your blood.
The problem is that blood flow in the skin is not sufficient to 
reduce the concentration of corrosive chemicals being made out of the 
salt in the blood ..and/or being used as an electrolyteat the 
given rate
Gotta slow it down, spread it out or give it time to dilute with the 
blood flow rate available before it becomes concentrated enough to 
burn the skin.


Ode

Re: CSOT - zappers

[mgperrault]

A note that the actual frequency will be quite high, nowhere near an 
audio band.  The way Rife achieved this was a mixing of a radio carrier 
frequency and the audio.  It was the harmonic that was the effective 
frequency.  An excellent document is found here


http://www.rifevideos.com/the_rife_machine_report.html

Using sub harmonics may not work because there is damping, and likely it 
is very high.  A child can make a swing work by the addition of energy 
tuned to the resonant frequency, but the same thing is very difficult if 
the swing were in water.


To really be effective, I think one would have to calculate the 
heterodyned frequencies of the radio carrier and the audio, and use a 
small sweep also.  You can build your own and save a lot of money, which 
is what I did, based on Bare's  Rife-Bare workbook. This page gives more 
information on the Rife method


http://www.rifevideos.com/dr_rife_and_philip_hoylands_3.3mhz_sweep.html



m

On 12/26/2012 10:14 AM, Maple Springs Farm wrote:

i have 2 emem's
one is from dan tracy
one is from rifelabs.com (he is dead now)
the rifelabs is more exact where you can dial in
char's frequencies are pretty specific
you need a machine that is going to hit the nail on the head (rifelabs)
not ballpark (like my dan tracy machine does)

On 26.12.2012 11:45, PT Ferrance wrote:

What delivery system did you use to deliver her frequencies? Did you
listen to them? Use hand holds, self-adhesive electrodes... or some
other system?
Thanks.
PT

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FROM: Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com
TO: silver-list@eskimo.com
SENT: Wed, December 26, 2012 11:33:27 AM
SUBJECT: Re: CSOT - zappers

 char's got a set for HIV
i've used her frequencies before
http://www.dnafrequencies.com/store/index.pl?type=human [1]






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Re: CSOT - zappers

[mgperrault]

I have experimented for years with a rife-bare type unit.  I guarantee 
it does SOMETHING, the question is; does it do what you want it to do?   
Do we think your wi-fi or smart meter, or cell phone does something to 
ones health?   A typical rife machine has a LOT more output.   By 
staying within 3 feet, I could fry myself, which meant skin 
inflammation and kidney pain.


I was free of colds and flu for 10 years using it.  It could disable 
cold sores, which is a type of herpes virus, if you were diligent in the 
early stages of an outbreak.  For most things, and including cancer, it 
didnt have the desired results.  But we didnt know about the original 
frequencies then.  The huge frequency lists are for the most part not 
useful in my opinion.


The EMEM and hand held devices do not deliver high enough frequencies to 
work like the original rife machines.  But, I have found the hand held 
units to be of value.   Direct current is useful also.   Becker gives a 
good over view of DC use in his book promise and peril of electromedicine.


m




On 12/26/2012 5:01 PM, bob Larson wrote:

...i tried char's hepC freqs extensively using an EMEM,
handholds/footpads driven by software also by lab signal generators.

i have yet to be convinced Rifing does anything.  there's a lot of creative
promotors as well as delusional patients around, and money in it.
  


-Original Message-
From: Maple Springs Farm [mailto:i...@maplesprings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - zappers

char's got a set for HIV
i've used her frequencies before
http://www.dnafrequencies.com/store/index.pl?type=human

On 26.12.2012 10:58, Alex Flex wrote:

Thank you M, for taken the time to write this response... very
helpfull

Alex

On 12/26/2012 01:06 AM, mgperrault wrote:

Alex

Find the electroherbalism site. http://www.electroherbalism.com/

My experience;  a promising therapy that needs lots of scientific
work to realize its potential.  Not a panacea. You can find a
frequency for everything; dont get your hopes up about

that. Useful

against virus at early stages.  Bob Becks protocol may or may not
work, but at least its based on a real phenomena, i.e.

electricity can


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Re: CSOT - zappers

[mgperrault]

Alex

Find the electroherbalism site. http://www.electroherbalism.com/

My experience;  a promising therapy that needs lots of scientific work 
to realize its potential.  Not a panacea. You can find a frequency for 
everything; dont get your hopes up about that. Useful against virus at 
early stages.  Bob Becks protocol may or may not work, but at least its 
based on a real phenomena, i.e. electricity can disable virus's.  I bet 
there is a frequency specific to HIV but I kind of doubt its been 
discovered yet, could be wrong  the plasma antenna units will 
penetrate in a unique way, but the cost is several thousand, and results 
are, in my experience, not much better than the cheapest hand held devices.


I would say that nothing is without some risk, CS included, despite the 
staunch supporters.  But for anyone fighting for life, these things are 
the peoples best choice;   Fresh and raw diet, CS,  zapping; (read 
promise and perils of electromedicine by Becker for risks,)  lots of 
herbs, cleansing the metals and toxins, doing liver cleanses as per 
Hulda Clark and others.  Hulda Clark is worth a read.  Perhaps make your 
own liposome vit C, and I think you could experiment with lipo CS as well.


m




On 12/25/2012 10:26 PM, Alex Flex wrote:

Hey guys, out of curiosity...

Why do zappers not recieve the same amount of attention as CS? Or is 
there a mailing list like this one for zappers?


Alex


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Re: CSCS to reduce viral load of HIV?

[mgperrault]

Are you trying Bob Becks zapper?  Study from Einstein university and all 
that?


Make your own liposome vit C?   You could make cs lipo also

good luck

m

On 12/23/2012 12:08 PM, Alex Flex wrote:

Hello CS List,

Iam currently taking 15ml x 3 per day (45ml) of 10ppm ionic CS (home 
made).  Does anybody have any reference OF cs being able to at least 
lower viral load, or better yet make it undetectable in blood tests?


Does it make any difference if I take the dosage stated and keep it 
sub lingual for 5 min, or 30 min then swallow it?


Alex


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Re: CSHelp Needed for Mono blue

[mgperrault]

So a lot of CS per day will turn you steel grey, whereas a small amount 
will only turn you slightly steel grey? I mean, so you probably wont 
notice it or anything?


Family member noticed the almost impossible to clean silver stain in 
glass and plastic from CS.  I told her, sure you're getting a systemic 
(brain included)  metallic tattoo, but chances are you will never notice 
it, so what are you worried about?  yeah, got a little angry and 
called her a heretic


m


On 12/14/2012 5:57 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Re: CSHelp Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus) I think this is 
slightly misleading too Dave.  Properly made EIS doesn't do either of 
these things *unless* you use MASSIVE amounts!  By this I mean 
something like over a quart or more, per day.  I mean how many people 
will use this amount?  Most people use it for specific things like 
infections -- or warding off infections.  For these people it is safe 
to say that there would be no problems.  I think if someone has to 
take massive amounts, then you could warn them, but it doesn't happen 
to *all* people that *do* take massive amounts either.  dee




*From: *Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com
*Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Date: *Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:34:39 -0800
*To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject: *Re: CSHelp Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
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*Resent-Date: *Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:34:40 -0800



You are  right. It turns you a steely gray, not blue and it does it 
with properly made CS but you have to take it for a very long time,and 
lots of it. I don't think you are doing anyone a favor telling them, 
it can't happen.
  Once it starts to be noticeable you can stop taking it ( CS/EIS) and 
you won't get any worse but it doesn't take much use at all after that 
to get worse.
At that point you might consider switching to CDS as I did . It does 
mostly anything CS does but doesn't have the side effect.
15 drops of CDS in apple juice has no smell or taste, but work up 
slowly unless you want to vomit.

Dave

Re: CSHelp Needed for Mono blue

[mgperrault]

Thanks Marshall

Of course I was being a little facetious to illustrate that some metal 
is getting stuck, even if you cant see a discoloration, and then the 
inappropriate attitude of downplaying the concerns of this.  I hadnt 
heard that silver crystals form at a threshold level and this is what 
causes the silver to lodge in the tissue. Good information, but is there 
a reference for this?  Just because the photoreaction of sun allows one 
to see the discoloration of stuck silver crystals, this does not mean 
that they arent also stuck where you cant see them.  It seems a strange 
argument for something we would normally be aghast with; stuck metal in 
tissues.


Also, I have read that in fact the silver does cross the BBB. So, also 
if you have a reference for that.  I know this subject gets hashed over 
and over.


 I have seen a paper with microphotos of silver stuck in lysosomes and 
interstitial spaces.  I have never been completely comfortable that 
silver has at least the potential to de differentiate cells. It seems to 
me a two edged sword, and that we are lucky it seems as benign as it 
does.  I wonder though, how long it would take to show bad effects from 
say drinking small quantities of other colloidal metals, say aluminum.  
A family member experimented with a poultice application of silver and 
reported undesirable results. I think some scar tissue perhaps.  Later 
there was a white thickened tissue, but it is unknown if this was related.


Thanks
M


On 12/14/2012 10:52 AM, Marshall wrote:

On 12/14/2012 10:56 AM, mgperrault wrote:
So a lot of CS per day will turn you steel grey, whereas a small 
amount will only turn you slightly steel grey? I mean, so you 
probably wont notice it or anything?


No, large amounts can cause fingernail moons to turn gray, and might 
cause skin discoloration if you go out in the sun.  But small amounts, 
even taken over decades will cause no such problems.  A small amount 
simply does not supply enough silver at once to cause crystals to grow 
large enough to get stuck.  By large amount I mean a quart or more of 
15 - 20 ppm take daily for a couple of weeks, and small amount I mean 
a couple of ounces taken daily as long as you want.  My moons did not 
turn grey after almost a decade of taking on ounce of 10 ppm CS daily, 
but did after taking a couple of quarts of 20 ppm daily for 2 weeks.


Family member noticed the almost impossible to clean silver stain in 
glass and plastic from CS.


It is very easy to clean, you just have to use the right stuff. H2O2 
works pretty well, activated MMS works great.
I told her, sure you're getting a systemic (brain included)  metallic 
tattoo, but chances are you will never notice it, so what are you 
worried about? yeah, got a little angry and called her a heretic
First of all literature indicates that silver generally does not pass 
the BBB, but some literature does indicate that silver citrate can.   
Second, unless you have a hole in your head where sunlight can get in, 
no photoreduction can take place, thus no problem.


Marshall


m


On 12/14/2012 5:57 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Re: CSHelp Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus) I think this is 
slightly misleading too Dave.  Properly made EIS doesn't do either 
of these things *unless* you use MASSIVE amounts!  By this I mean 
something like over a quart or more, per day.  I mean how many 
people will use this amount?  Most people use it for specific things 
like infections -- or warding off infections.  For these people it 
is safe to say that there would be no problems.  I think if someone 
has to take massive amounts, then you could warn them, but it 
doesn't happen to *all* people that *do* take massive amounts 
either.  dee

Re: CSsuccess with CS?liposomes? rat poison

[mgperrault]

According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, her research 
of nearly 10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose appears to be *8,000 
IU's a day* to get most into the healthy range


I think a lot of people believe the RDA is way too low for optimum 
health for most vitamins.  Some vitamins are not excreted quickly, 
generally the oil soluble ones, and some care may be warranted. In 
general, I think there are few to no deaths annually due to herbs and 
vitamins whereas pharmaceutical drugs kill hundreds of thousands.


There are always more factors than we know.  For example early in the 
century it was just vit A  B and C that were studied (gross 
simplification), now its phyto this, ortho that, enzyme here amino acid 
there.  I like the idea of fresh and raw foods, probably vegetable 
juicing, live and vibrant.  Even enzymes and co-q 10 dont describe live 
and vibrant.  Vitamins add up in the cupboard. Its questionable. You 
have your compartmentalized box with so many pills you are trying to get 
your elderly loved one to take.  Ugh.Herbs are good.


M

On 12/7/2012 1:22 AM, André Juthe wrote:

Ok,
But then it is no problem to eat at least the FDA recommendation, and
probably a bit more because they have set a minimal standard.
/AJ

2012/12/6 mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com:

Vit D releases calcium into the bloodstream which is toxic in higher
amounts.   Vit D overdose is still a possibility for human. Rodents dont
have an aversion to Vit D so rat poison can does them with a large amount
proportional to body size.  FDA is widely considered corrupted by the
pharmaceutical industry.  Vitamin levels are often minimal standards and not
for optimum health.  Some of the standards were set a rather long time ago
with limited knowledge of biochemistry compared to today.  Some standards
also change, for example the proposed optimum nutrition food pyramid,
illustrating that even supposedly unbiased standards are prone to error.

On 12/6/2012 11:57 AM, André Juthe wrote:

Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?

[mgperrault]

Dee

I wouldnt be concerned about liposomal sublinqual spray having negative 
effects at all.  What I said about the macrophages and all that was just 
interesting things I found in Pub Med papers surrounding the issue of 
liposome absorption.  The reduced macrophage action was due to large IV 
doses.  In combination with a toxin called clodronate, they can wipe out 
your macrophages this way.  It shows that macrophages consume liposomes, 
and I think thats why I brought up. My question was; are oral liposomes 
really being absorbed and is there evidence that oral liposomes vastly 
increase cellular uptake.   If you run across an answer, let me know.
Your sublingual is fine.


M

On 12/7/2012 5:56 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? So from this it would seem 
that supplementing with Vit D3 is a good thing as most of us *don*'t 
get the sort of sun exposure that we need.  I have read that Vit D3 
has the ability to trigger the cancer cells to self-destruct and this 
is why it has been found that cancer patients have very low levels of 
it.  I asked the question because I use the Now brand of liposomal 
sublingual spray version containing both Vit D3 and Vit K2.  It was 
the liposomal part which bothered me because of your information.  dee




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*Date: *Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:31:44 -0700
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How did this get started?  Maybe because I said that liposomes can 
transiently decrease macrophage activity and then someone said vit D 
is a rat poison as a rebuttal, trying I think to say that even well 
known healthy things can be toxic depending on the dose..


 Its not only the quantity but how well your body balances things with 
other hormones and vitamins.  Excess calcium circulating in the system 
can be toxic.  Vit D can cause this.


 Probably everybody knows Dr Mercola is big on Vit D

 Its off topic but here is a little Mercola extract;

 sun exposure or the use of a safe tanning bed are the best options to 
optimize your vitamin D levels. You cannot overdose when getting your 
vitamin D from sun exposure, as your body has the ability to 
self-regulate and only make what it needs. If these options are not 
available, a supplement can be used, but keep the following in mind:


  * According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, founder
of GrassrootsHealth http://www.grassrootshealth.net/ , her
research of nearly 10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose
appears to be *8,000 IU's a day* to get most into the healthy range.
  * When you do supplement with vitamin D, you'll only want to
supplement with natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol).
  * As an aside, there is evidence that the safety of vitamin D is
dependent on vitamin K, and that vitamin D toxicity (although very
rare with the D3 form) is actually aggravated by vitamin K2
deficiency. So if you take oral vitamin D, ideally you should take
vitamin K2 as well

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/27/the-stealth-vitamin-that-can-improve-your-insulin-sensitivity.aspx
 or use organic fermented foods that are high in vitamin K2, as
you need about 150 mcg per day.
  * The normal 25-hydroxyvitamin D lab range is between 20-56 ng/ml.
But, this conventional range *is really a sign of deficiency*, and
is too broad to be ideal. In fact, your vitamin D level should
/not/ be below 32 ng/ml, and any levels below 20 ng/ml are
considered serious deficiency states, increasing your risk of
cancer and autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and
rheumatoid arthritis, just to name a few.
 *

  * Remember that if you were in the sun nearly every day with large
amounts of your skin exposed and not taking any oral vitamin D,
your level would be around 100 ng/ml.

CSsuccess with CS?liposomes? rat poison

[mgperrault]

Vit D releases calcium into the bloodstream which is toxic in higher 
amounts.   Vit D overdose is still a possibility for human. Rodents dont 
have an aversion to Vit D so rat poison can does them with a large 
amount proportional to body size.  FDA is widely considered corrupted by 
the pharmaceutical industry.  Vitamin levels are often minimal standards 
and not for optimum health.  Some of the standards were set a rather 
long time ago with limited knowledge of biochemistry compared to today.  
Some standards also change, for example the proposed optimum nutrition 
food pyramid, illustrating that even supposedly unbiased standards are 
prone to error.


On 12/6/2012 11:57 AM, André Juthe wrote:

Ok so the FDA's recommendations of vitamin D3 are very wrong? This is
a bold claim. Do you have a some references for this?

/AJ

2012/12/6 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com:

André Juthe wrote:

Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does,
are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of
FDA is unhealthy?



If you mean eating according to the USDA food guidelines, I certainly do
think it is un healthy. LOL
sol



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Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?

[mgperrault]

How did this get started?  Maybe because I said that liposomes can 
transiently decrease macrophage activity and then someone said vit D is 
a rat poison as a rebuttal, trying I think to say that even well known 
healthy things can be toxic depending on the dose..


Its not only the quantity but how well your body balances things with 
other hormones and vitamins.  Excess calcium circulating in the system 
can be toxic.  Vit D can cause this.


Probably everybody knows Dr Mercola is big on Vit D

Its off topic but here is a little Mercola extract;

sun exposure or the use of a safe tanning bed are the best options to 
optimize your vitamin D levels. You cannot overdose when getting your 
vitamin D from sun exposure, as your body has the ability to 
self-regulate and only make what it needs. If these options are not 
available, a supplement can be used, but keep the following in mind:


 * According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, founder of
   GrassrootsHealth http://www.grassrootshealth.net/, her research of
   nearly 10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose appears to be *8,000
   IU's a day* to get most into the healthy range.
 * When you do supplement with vitamin D, you'll only want to
   supplement with natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol).
 * As an aside, there is evidence that the safety of vitamin D is
   dependent on vitamin K, and that vitamin D toxicity (although very
   rare with the D3 form) is actually aggravated by vitamin K2
   deficiency. So if you take oral vitamin D, ideally you should take
   vitamin K2 as well
   
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/27/the-stealth-vitamin-that-can-improve-your-insulin-sensitivity.aspx
   or use organic fermented foods that are high in vitamin K2, as you
   need about 150 mcg per day.
 * The normal 25-hydroxyvitamin D lab range is between 20-56 ng/ml.
   But, this conventional range *is really a sign of deficiency*, and
   is too broad to be ideal. In fact, your vitamin D level should /not/
   be below 32 ng/ml, and any levels below 20 ng/ml are considered
   serious deficiency states, increasing your risk of cancer and
   autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid
   arthritis, just to name a few.

   Remember that if you were in the sun nearly every day with large
   amounts of your skin exposed and not taking any oral vitamin D, your
   level would be around 100 ng/ml.



On 12/6/2012 5:17 PM, Bob Banever wrote:

If Vit.D3 is toxic then you'd better stay out of the sun.  Your body
produces about 10,000 IU's in an hour of sunshine.  I've been taking
8000IU's daily for a couple of years with no ill effects that I can feel or
see.

-Original Message-
From: André Juthe [mailto:andre.ju...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?

Ok so the FDA's recommendations of vitamin D3 are very wrong? This is
a bold claim. Do you have a some references for this?

/AJ

2012/12/6 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com:

André Juthe wrote:

Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does,
are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of
FDA is unhealthy?



If you mean eating according to the USDA food guidelines, I certainly do
think it is un healthy. LOL
sol



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Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?

[mgperrault]

AJ

If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate 
that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into 
the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, 
then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its 
difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI 
tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system.


Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. 
Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method 
to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug 
dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large 
percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes 
can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system



Allen et al performed a detailed study in mice on the effect of chronic 
IV administration of liposomes on MPS function.. Decreased uptake of 
liposomes into the liver combined with increased uptake into the spleen 
were taken as evidence of MPS impairment. Significant depression in 
phagocytic index was observed after 2 to 3 IV injections. In the case of 
liposomes of rigid composition (PC/SM) considerable spenomegaly was 
observed. ...It was suggested that liposomes with rigid bilayers caused 
greater impairment than those with fluid bilayers. In addition there wee 
granulomatous reaction in the liver. The appearaince of granulomas was 
correlated with depression of the phagocytic index.


Similar findings were described earlier by Weereratne et al. IV 
injections of 100mg/kg of SM/Chol liposomes led to 50 and 300% 
enlargement of the liver and spleen respectively. No such effect was 
ovserved after similar treatment with PC/Chol liposomes.


In the opinion of Claassen et al the results of Weereratne and Allen 
were not indicative of significant toxicity, but only reflected a 
temporary disturbance.


A potential problem with conventional liposomes, particularly when 
delivered intravenously, is their rapid removal from circulation by 
cells of the reticuloendothelial system particularly in the liver and 
spleen. To circumvent the phagocytic cells of the immune system and 
hence enhance their half-life in the circulation, “stealth liposomes” 
have been designed. Stealth liposomes are created by coating the 
liposomes with a layer of polyethylene glycol-phosphatidylethanolamine 
(PEG liposomes).


M




On 11/29/2012 12:16 PM, André Juthe wrote:

Do you have any reference for that? I never heard of that, I would
like to read more about it.

/AJ

2012/11/29 mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com:

Any liposomes that get into the blood stream are attacked by macrophages.
One can in fact overburden your immune system this way.  So they have
devised stealth liposomes to avoid this.


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Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?

[mgperrault]

On 12/5/2012 11:56 AM, André Juthe wrote:

Yes I ask the same question, are you saying that using liposomal form
of vitamin-C and similar compounds are detrimental to our immune
system? One should expect FDA would have been more careful before thay
approved of liposomal delivery systems if their was problematic. I
make my own liposomal vitamin c and my own liposomal curcummin, should
I stop?

Regards,
André Juthe (AJ)


I dont get the impression that liposome Vit C is bad for the immune 
system, although the harder or stabilized liposomes have shown to create 
dramatic if transient spleen and liver enlargement as well as transient 
depression of phagocyte response.  FDA is not careful to stop many toxic 
drugs from being marketed.  My humble thought is that if you feel good 
taking your liposome C and Curcumin, then continue.  Nothing is very 
simple with the body and vitamins though.  For example, minerals exist 
in a tight interactive web of sorts such that taking more of one may 
deplete others.  Is calcium good for bones?  If yes, then why do some 
studies show that low calcium consuming native populations have better 
bone density than high calcium consumers?  Should we then stop taking 
calcium, or instead try for a balance with magnesium and all the 
others?  For the most part, the questions are resolved by eating and 
living naturally.  If you are trying to battle a cancer or something, 
there could be a good reason to take lipo C.   But if you simply feel 
better taking it, then thats a good sign.


I tried sending this before, excuse me if it is a repost;

/MPS = mononuclear phagocyte system/

The body is amazingly complicated.  A simplistic logic often wont apply, 
for example free radicals are bad, oxygen is good, Vit C is an 
antioxidant so therefore good.  These things are true but there is 
always more to it.  I just posted this copy on the DIY liposome forum 
about Vit C;


Ascorbic acid (AA)
AA, known for its antioxidant activity, also acts as
a prooxidant . ... during the oxidation reduction process, glutathione (GSH)
is converted into GSH disulfide, depleting intracellular stores
of GSH and increasing reactive oxygen species ( ROS). AA has been shown to
synergize with As2O3 (arsenic trioxide) for effective growth-inhibition and
apoptosis (cell death). ascorbic
acid potentiated the cytotoxic effect of arsenic trioxide in multiple
myeloma cell lines. They also demonstrated that
ascorbic acid suppressed GSH, increased ROS and enhanced
apoptotic changes.

So vit C can act as a cancer fighting supplement by increasing reactive 
oxygen speciesfree radicals, just about the opposite of what one 
might expect. The fact that it depletes glutathione is interesting since 
this is one of the best antioxidants we have.  Whey protein is suggested 
to increase glutathione.


Arsenic is a poison but it is part of a traditional Chinese medicine 
used for leukemia. Its interesting that vit C potentiates arsenic 
trioxide.  Thus a poison can be used for therapy, not an uncommon idea 
in the pharmaceutical world! Arsenic may work also by tagging one of two 
proteins that become fused causing a tumor;   PML-RARa is marked for 
degradation by ubiquitin, turning the cancer cells back into normal cells.


 Following time honored concepts like fresh and raw fruits and veggies, 
or perhaps the Mediterranean diet, using herbs for nutrition and 
detoxification, exercising, sunbathing etc  will naturally balance all 
of these difficult and complicated processes.


 The above description of the oxidizing effect, cytotoxic potential of 
Vit C via production of hydrogen peroxide, show that this could support 
an immune system attack on unwanted cells. Healthy cells may be 
protected by the enzyme catalase which is often deficient in tumor 
cells.  So in that way is good for the immune system, although it may 
be difficult to achieve blood levels of vit C that are sufficient to 
kill tumor cells. Addition of vit k3, another hydrogen peroxide 
generator, and lipoic acid reduces the required C saturation level to 
achieve cancer cell apoptosis.  At lower concentrations it may have 
opposite effects, acting as an antioxidant, and performing many useful 
functions like strengthening the extracellular matrix. It does raise the 
question that if  high doses of vit C deplete glutathione, maybe its not 
warranted for chronic use at mega dose levels.  I dont know about 
liposome vit D3.  Sunbathing could be a free and enjoyable alternative.


Since Becker observed that silver ions could dedifferentiate cells, its 
always been a question in my mind if this could be a two edged sword. A 
de differntiated cell doesnt seem so good until its re differentiated 
back in the right way.  Are we assured that this is the case, for 
example when silver ions cross the blood brain barrier?

CSLipo CS + urine for AIDS?

[mgperrault]

Whacky thought for you. Sorry, it may have no basis in reality.  But I 
just read that


It is known that the Urine of AIDS patients contains Antibodies to the 
HIV virus
(but not the actual HIV virus) that causes AIDS and it has been 
speculated that oral
administration of these Antibodies to HIV via Urine Therapy may be 
responsible for the

effectiveness of Urine Therapy in AIDS patients.

Well, I dont know if that is true.   But another thing that has occurred 
to me recently is that the Peyers patches in the small intestine are 
where the majority of nanoparticles are absorbed. Peyers patches have an 
immunological function.  Liposomes are consumed by macrophages. The fate 
of liposomes may be a preferential absorption by M cells in the Peyers 
patches with subsequent monocyte phagocytosis.  Macrophage consumption 
of antibodies can spur a targeted  immune response systemically via 
lymphocytes and other immune cells.  So the outlandish idea is that 
maybe you could protect the CS from combining with stomach HCL via 
liposomes, they would make their treacherous way to the small intestine, 
get absorbed by the peyers patches and said CS...be it ions or colloid 
particlesmay be tagged and shuttled by the addition of the 
antibodies of the urine that you...ahemadded to the CS/ lipo mix.


OK, just a thought



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Re: CSHIV success with CS? Ionic or Non ionic for this cause?

[mgperrault]

There is some indication that liposomes are not absorbed intact. They 
are absorbed by mucosal cells in the small intestine and broken down by 
the reticular cells, the fatty acids possibly resynthesized and the 
liposome content passed into the lymphatic  vessels and transported to 
the thoracic duct where they enter the bloodstream.  Thats what I hear 
anyway.  I dont know what the implication is exactly.  I guess the 
silver ions would be protected from precipitating to silver chloride in 
the stomach.  Would silver ions de differentiate the epithelial 
reticulum?  It seems like that could be a disaster.   I dont see de 
differentiation as being totally benign.  Any ions that are precipitated 
to colloidal particles end up getting lodged in the cellular lysosomes 
and interstitial spaces.  It looks suspicious in microphotos.



M



On 11/29/2012 1:10 AM, André Juthe wrote:

Hi,

Could one not use liposomal encapsulated CS? That would be much more
comfortable that taken it rectally.  In that case it could be ionic
silver and would still reach the cells several times better (at least
if it works as with vitamin c) than any other way of taking it.

Regards,

André

2012/11/29 Manuel Abad abadmanuel...@hotmail.com:

Good evening community of CS!

I have been diagnosed in recent months HIV+, id like to know if

Anybody has success stories for HIV treated with CS, if so what dosage can
be recommended to take?

Now, because iam interested to target the inmune system through the blood
stream (and virus also in the blood) wouldnt my specific case be best to use
particle based colloidal silver (which I have read that is better absorbed
and reaches the blood stream better), instead of ion based?

Thanks all.

Manuel


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Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?

[mgperrault]

This subject is very interesting.  I read that the stomach does not 
absorb very well, only some water and alcohol.  What I wrote about the 
absorption, digestion and destruction  of liposomes in the small 
intestine comes from a few published scientific papers.


There is research on this because it is of interest for drug delivery.  
There is a difference between oral liposome or IV, or buccal or 
transdermal.  Any liposomes that get into the blood stream are attacked 
by macrophages. One can in fact overburden your immune system this way.  
So they have devised stealth liposomes to avoid this.


It seems the silver chloride  conversion in the stomach is a big issue 
with CS, and liposome CS could be a great benefit if it worked out.




thanks

M

On 11/29/2012 3:56 AM, André Juthe wrote:

This is exactly what I have heard as well, but this concerns liposomal vit c.

2012/11/29 Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org:

I had understood that liposomes were absorbed through the wall of the
stomach into the bloodstream and then to the liver.  Is this not true then?
I make liposomal Vit C and am really interested.  dee




There is some indication that liposomes are not absorbed intact. They
are absorbed by mucosal cells in the small intestine and broken down by
the reticular cells, the fatty acids possibly resynthesized and the
liposome content passed into the lymphatic  vessels and transported to
the thoracic duct where they enter the bloodstream.  Thats what I hear
anyway.  I dont know what the implication is exactly.  I guess the
silver ions would be protected from precipitating to silver chloride in
the stomach.  Would silver ions de differentiate the epithelial
reticulum?  It seems like that could be a disaster.   I dont see de
differentiation as being totally benign.  Any ions that are precipitated
to colloidal particles end up getting lodged in the cellular lysosomes
and interstitial spaces.  It looks suspicious in microphotos.





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Re: CSSpecial CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) - Possible to produce it at home?

[mgperrault]

Silver citrate would be mainly particles?

On 11/28/2012 2:35 PM, Marshall wrote:
Frank Key produces colloidal silver in the 90 plus % area.  Not 
inexpensive though.  I think it can be produced by sputtering.


Marshall

On 11/28/2012 2:49 PM, Alex Flex wrote:

Hello My name is Alex iam new here.

As some of you may know there is a patent for Silvercillin (I think 
its http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ).


Questions:

a.) If iam not mistaken whats special about this CS is that is has 
99% Silver Particles and not IONS, can somebody please confirm this?
b.) Id like to know if I can make this at home Iam willing to invest 
some money if necessary, or perhaps buy a generator capable of doing 
this?
c.) If the answer to B is that the procedure is very complex, does 
anybody know of lab proof CS manufacturers that can deliver this at a 
reasonable price?


Thanks all!!!

-- Alex


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Re: CSSpecial CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) - Possible to produce it at home?

[mgperrault]

haha, my ignorance.


http://www.simpas.unsw.edu.au/publications/2009/52-Role%20of%20citric%20acid%20in%20the%20formation%20of%20silver%20nanoplates%20through%20a%20synergistic%20reduction%20approach.pdf

This study discusses the function of citrate ions in the synthesis of 
silver nanoplates through a synergetic reduction
approach in ambient conditions. It was found that the citrate ions can 
play multiple roles in the synthesis process,
including a reducing agent, a stabilizer, and a complex agent, and they 
show some unique features under the reported
conditions. The reducing ability of these citrate ions was shown to be 
weaker than that of sodium borohydride and/or
L-ascorbic acid used in the same system. The stability in the shape/size 
control of silver particles is weaker than that of
other surfactants tested in the present system, such as 
bis(2-ethylhexyl)sulfosuccinate (AOT) and thiols. Citrate ions

could form a silver complex with silver ions as [Ag2
þ
3 3 3 citrate] or [Ag3(C6H5O7)nþ1]3n-, as confirmed by electrospray
ionization (ESI) mass spectrometry and the kinetic analysis that the 
molar ratio of citric acid or sodium citrate to silver
ions can greatly influence the reaction rate and, hence, the particle 
growth of silver nanoparticles. Such a complexing
effect is further confirmed by the use of chelating ions (e.g., 
[Fe(CN)6]4-) to form Agn[Fe(CN)6]n-4, which can largely
influence the synthesis of silver nanoparticles. These results show some 
formation results of generating silver nanoplates
involving citrate ions, which are useful in the shape-controlled 
synthesis of other metallic nanoparticles with desirable

functionalities.

Citrate ion, a commonly used reductant in metal colloid synthesis, 
undergoes strong surface interaction with
silver nanocrystallites. The slow crystal growth observed as a result of 
the interaction between the silver
surface and the citrate ion makes this reduction process unique compared 
to other chemical and radiolytic
synthetic methods. Addition of citrate ions to preformed silver colloids 
(Ag-capped SiO2) results in the
complexation of citrate with silver colloids. The difference absorption 
spectra of SiO2-Ag colloids in the
presence of citrate ions show an increase in the absorption at 410 nm 
with increase in concentration of citrate.
The apparent association constant as determined from these absorption 
changes is 220 M-1. Pulse-radiolysis
studies show that citrate ions complex with the silver seeds and 
influence the particle growth. For example,

one of the primary intermediates, Ag2
+ produced in the radiolytic reduction of silver ions, readily interacts
with citrate to form a complex absorbing in the 410-nm region. The 
complex, [Ag2

+-citrate], undergoes
slower transformations compared to uncomplexed Ag2
+. This slow transformation of the citrate complex
eventually leads to the formation of larger clusters of silver. 
Steady-state and pulse-radiolysis experiments
provide evidence for the multiple roles of citrate ions as a reductant, 
complexant, and stabilizer that collectively

dictate the size and shape of silver nanocrystallites.


On 11/28/2012 3:48 PM, Marshall wrote:
Silver citrate is an ionic compound, and when dissolved in water is 
100% ionic, no colloid particles at all.


Marshall

On 11/28/2012 5:35 PM, mgperrault wrote:

Silver citrate would be mainly particles?

On 11/28/2012 2:35 PM, Marshall wrote:
Frank Key produces colloidal silver in the 90 plus % area.  Not 
inexpensive though.  I think it can be produced by sputtering.


Marshall

On 11/28/2012 2:49 PM, Alex Flex wrote:

Hello My name is Alex iam new here.

As some of you may know there is a patent for Silvercillin (I think 
its http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ).


Questions:

a.) If iam not mistaken whats special about this CS is that is has 
99% Silver Particles and not IONS, can somebody please confirm this?
b.) Id like to know if I can make this at home Iam willing to 
invest some money if necessary, or perhaps buy a generator capable 
of doing this?
c.) If the answer to B is that the procedure is very complex, does 
anybody know of lab proof CS manufacturers that can deliver this at 
a reasonable price?


Thanks all!!!

-- Alex


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Re: CStick - oregano- shingles

[mgperrault]

Its the long and difficult project to rebuild nerves.  Liposome 
concoctions seem like a promising avenue since the phospholipids are 
natural to the cells and may be able to deliver otherwise poorly 
absorbed nutrients.  If you have an ultrasonic unit, you are set.  There 
is a DIY LET forum.


If you have sciatica you have to find a way to stretch the spine, like 
inversion boards, slant board or something.  Maybe take a look at Peter 
Egosques book Pain Free.


Actually, there is some indication that medical marijuana could be 
good.  Calcium aep comes to mind.  Paw Paw herb may be of benefit.  If 
you want to try an herbal pain management, try kratom from a place like 
bouncing bear botanicals.  This would be a legal herbal in liu of hard 
pharmaceuticals.


If you have root canals, some, like Hulda Clark say progress is 
difficult or nearly impossible.  I would try zapping around the mouth 
area, and a cheap way is to look into godzilla method. There are pulsers 
for example by Sota and Stenulson.  You could try CS with DMSO held in 
the mouth.  Then there is the need for chelation.  A big subject on its 
own.  Cilantro WITH clay, chlorella and selenium is an option.  A ripe 
field for your research.


The main thing is to move forward with these things. Use google and 
follow all of the key terms mentioned. If you are not a mover shaker 
personality, write a to do list and put on the fridge. Emotional freedom 
technique, the tapping and self affirmation thing may be very good.


Best of luck


On 11/23/2012 11:47 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Re: CStick - oregano- shingles Yes I have root canals but not mold. 
 I now have an acute burning sensation in the buttock (lol) but don't 
know if this is to do with the shingles or a sciatica problem.  I do 
know that even ibuprofen + codeine don't help it whereas that stops 
the normal stabbing pains from shingles.  I was considering the 
amitriptylene approach which got rid of my fibromyalgie some years ago 
-- although I don't want to.  I do know that it is extremely painful. 
 By the liposome preparations do you mean Vit C done in lecithin in a 
sonic unit, because I have the makings of this?  dee




*From: *mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com
*Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Date: *Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:40:36 -0700
*To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject: *Re: CStick - oregano- shingles
*Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Resent-Date: *Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:40:36 -0800


capsaicin cream or patches are said to help the neuralgia.  topical 
magnesium oil may help.  Treating neuralgia or an active viral 
outbreak may be two separate endeavors.  I would say avoid tricyclic 
antidepressants unless you like exploring the dark world of side 
effects.  A TENS device is similar to zapping and may be of benefit. 
Boswellia is a consideration.  The nerves somehow get tangled and this 
can be a deep and difficult thing.  Im interested in the possibility 
of home made liposome preparations which might be something for you to 
research.


 zapping can affect the entire body, I wouldnt discount this, 
especially in the acute phases.  If lysine and cs seemed to help but 
it always came back, I would consider there may be something affecting 
your immune system.  Root canals and mold come to mind.

Re: CStick - oregano- shingles

[mgperrault]

My mom almost died from shingles.  Of course the severity varies.  Older 
folks that have had a chicken pox vaccination when they were young may 
get worse symptoms.  The problem is post herpetic neuralgia.  So you 
will want to research as much and do as much as you can for this because 
the neuralgia is almost impossible to cure.  Sorry, I dont have my files 
on it, but frankly, we werent too successful with our herbs, plus 
doctors medications, which were actually horrible.  The nurse told me 
she wouldnt last one more day, so despite her bedridden destroyed state, 
I made the awful decision to take her off all meds and she started 
improving from there and lasted another decade.


If you can handle your oregano by mouth than its probably ok for you. It 
may be already diluted with oil.  I would try zapping which in my 
experience is pretty effective against virus's.  Look into hulda Clarks 
zappers or rife.  Cheaper hand held ones may be as effective as plasma 
units.  Frequency specific may help you more than the simplest ones.  
Look also for violet ray machines, usually you can find used ones on 
ebay or spring for a new one.


Chaparral could be good, and if you live near where it grows, you can 
make your own strong teas and lotions with it.


Do more than you are doing and do it soon.  Be decisive and pro active 
to avoid years of misery.



On 11/22/2012 2:53 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Re: CStick bite problem - oregano in general Just reading this and I 
was wondering if this would be the same.  I ingest oil of 
oregano---two drops under the tongue for shingles.  Is this right, or 
should I be diluting it?  Many thanks.  dee




*From: *mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com
*Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Date: *Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:19:27 -0700
*To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject: *Re: CStick bite problem
*Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Resent-Date: *Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:19:33 -0800


Part of the tick may still be in your arm.  If you swab directly with 
oregano, you may overdose your skin which could create some of the 
reaction.  Some oils penetrate better than others.  Tea tree, clove, 
lavender penetrate.  Mixing your oregano with jojoba and those other 
oils could be a better way than straight oregano.  I would be tempted 
to keep it cold at first while you zap with a battery.  In a few days, 
alternating heat and cold could be beneficial.  Isopropyl alcohol may 
not be as good as vodka or everclear.  Vitamin C, several grams could 
be good.  If you have respiratory allergic reactions, baking soda and 
or choline may help. If you zapp, be aware that local burns are 
possible.  You can feel this happening.  Avoid it by increasing the 
area of the damp sponges/ paper towels or decreasing the voltage.

Re: CStick - oregano- shingles

[mgperrault]

As your link to Mercolas article shows, the vaccine issue is very 
controversial.  Having seen the devastation of shingles, I think this 
should be big news, and once again brings to question the market driven 
ethics of pharmaceuticals;



New research published in the International Journal of Toxicology by 
Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D., reveals high rates of shingles (herpes zoster) 
in Americans since the government's 1995 recommendation that all 
children receive chicken pox vaccine.


Goldman's research supports that*shingles, which results in three times 
as many deaths and five times the number of hospitalizations as chicken 
pox,* is suppressed naturally by occasional contact with chicken pox.


Dr. Goldman's findings have corroborated other independent researchers 
who estimate that*if chickenpox were to be nearly eradicated by 
vaccination, the higher number of shingles cases could continue in the 
U.S. for up to 50 years; and that while death rates from chickenpox are 
already very low, any deaths prevented by vaccination will be offset by 
deaths from increasing shingles disease.

*
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx


Smallpox (not chickenpox) apparently wiped out native Americans when 
Europeans made their awful invasion. There is reasonable documentation 
that the greatly hailed vaccination was in fact not responsible for the 
decline in smallpox.


http://www.vaclib.org/intro/present/index3.htm

It is claimed that smallpox has been iradicated from the planet except 
in labs but that we have some stockpile of smallpox vaccines in case it 
breaks out


How weird is that?  crazy world.



On 11/22/2012 10:49 AM, Joyce Miller wrote:

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote:

My mom almost died from shingles.  Of course the severity varies.  Older
folks that have had a chicken pox vaccination when they were young may get
worse symptoms.

My understanding is that shingles comes from chicken pox. In other
words, if you didn't have chicken pox as a child, you probably won't
get shingles as an adult. Shingles is caused by the reactivation of
the virus that causes chicken pox years after we have had chickenpox.
Some people either don't know that they have had chickenpox or had a
such a mild case of chickenpox that it has been forgotten.
http://www0.health.nsw.gov.au/factsheets/infectious/chickenpox.html
-- in either case, the shingles may be severe or may not be as severe
as others.

Also note that they are not sure that the chickenpox vaccine can cause
shingles, but people who have not had chickenpox can get chicken pox
if they have direct contact to someone who has shingles.

http://www0.health.nsw.gov.au/factsheets/infectious/chickenpox.html
Also see Mercola's article:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/02/chicken-pox-vaccine-creates-shingles-epidemic.aspx
  -- especially the use of topical honey to treat shingles

Re: CStick - oregano- shingles

[mgperrault]

capsaicin cream or patches are said to help the neuralgia.  topical 
magnesium oil may help.  Treating neuralgia or an active viral 
outbreak may be two separate endeavors.  I would say avoid tricyclic 
antidepressants unless you like exploring the dark world of side 
effects.  A TENS device is similar to zapping and may be of benefit. 
Boswellia is a consideration.  The nerves somehow get tangled and this 
can be a deep and difficult thing.  Im interested in the possibility of 
home made liposome preparations which might be something for you to 
research.


zapping can affect the entire body, I wouldnt discount this, especially 
in the acute phases.  If lysine and cs seemed to help but it always came 
back, I would consider there may be something affecting your immune 
system.  Root canals and mold come to mind.




On 11/22/2012 10:40 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Re: CStick - oregano- shingles Thanks for your reply and advice -- 
its much appreciated.  I have actually had shingles off and on for 
about ten years or more I think.  By shingles I mean the neuralgia 
which accompanies it.  I have only had one actual outbreak with 
lesions and that was mild, but I still get -- what I call 'stabbing' 
pains along my ribs mainly---but other places as well.  I did try 
using CS along with high doses of lysine, but it always came back -- 
which is why I am trying the oil of oregano now.  I use Oreganol and 
it says to put two drops under the tongue.  It is absolutely foul I 
have to say and I find it easier to take in water, but I thought maybe 
this would dilute it.  I thought it would be difficult to use a zapper 
because one never knows where the virus is actually lurking -- I would 
have thought.  Regards, dee




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*Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Date: *Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:57:29 -0700
*To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject: *Re: CStick - oregano- shingles
*Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
*Resent-Date: *Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:57:34 -0800


My mom almost died from shingles.  Of course the severity varies. 
 Older folks that have had a chicken pox vaccination when they were 
young may get worse symptoms.  The problem is post herpetic neuralgia. 
 So you will want to research as much and do as much as you can for 
this because the neuralgia is almost impossible to cure.  Sorry, I 
dont have my files on it, but frankly, we werent too successful with 
our herbs, plus doctors medications, which were actually horrible. 
 The nurse told me she wouldnt last one more day, so despite her 
bedridden destroyed state, I made the awful decision to take her off 
all meds and she started improving from there and lasted another decade.


 If you can handle your oregano by mouth than its probably ok for you. 
It may be already diluted with oil.  I would try zapping which in my 
experience is pretty effective against virus's.  Look into hulda 
Clarks zappers or rife.  Cheaper hand held ones may be as effective as 
plasma units.  Frequency specific may help you more than the simplest 
ones.  Look also for violet ray machines, usually you can find used 
ones on ebay or spring for a new one.


 Chaparral could be good, and if you live near where it grows, you can 
make your own strong teas and lotions with it.


 Do more than you are doing and do it soon.  Be decisive and pro 
active to avoid years of misery.

Re: CStick bite problem

[mgperrault]

I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery with 
leads stuck into sponges or whatever.  Beyond that, frequency zapping 
ala Hulda Clark and Rife.  Brooks CS with DMSO topically.  Prid drawing 
salve from the pharmacy has drawing powers if you leave it on for a few 
days in a paste.  Make a salve from bees wax olive or coconut oil and 
oregano oil.  Add lavender oil and clove to it.


On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half 
embedded.  Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS 
numerous times, washed it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night 
it swelled.  It turned red.  It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 
6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50 cent piece at the 
bite then swelling and heat and red  that headed upward and sideways 
from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen  ---Still drinking 
CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of 
oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had 
hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic. Whoa,  
Benedryl?  What do i do? HELP.  MuttmomVicki

Re: CStick bite problem

[mgperrault]

Part of the tick may still be in your arm.  If you swab directly with 
oregano, you may overdose your skin which could create some of the 
reaction.  Some oils penetrate better than others.  Tea tree, clove, 
lavender penetrate.  Mixing your oregano with jojoba and those other 
oils could be a better way than straight oregano.  I would be tempted to 
keep it cold at first while you zap with a battery.  In a few days, 
alternating heat and cold could be beneficial.  Isopropyl alcohol may 
not be as good as vodka or everclear.  Vitamin C, several grams could be 
good.  If you have respiratory allergic reactions, baking soda and or 
choline may help. If you zapp, be aware that local burns are possible.  
You can feel this happening.  Avoid it by increasing the area of the 
damp sponges/ paper towels or decreasing the voltage.



On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half 
embedded.  Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS 
numerous times, washed it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night 
it swelled.  It turned red.  It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 
6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50 cent piece at the 
bite then swelling and heat and red  that headed upward and sideways 
from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen  ---Still drinking 
CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of 
oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had 
hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic. Whoa,  
Benedryl?  What do i do? HELP.  MuttmomVicki

Re: Fw: CSNail Hardener

[mgperrault]

urea formaldehyde resin has been a scourge in my life.   But for nails, 
I think one could use a lacquer from art supplies to embed the anti 
fungal herbs and silver for sustained release. There are water based 
varnishes etc.



On 11/6/2012 2:32 PM, sol wrote:


vicki hood wrote:


Site is unbelievable.  Way back in beauty culture class we poured 
formaldehyde from a gallon jug to sterilize our equipment.  
Morticians inject this liquid into corpses. Formaldehyde is also in  
vaccines.  NOT A GAS THEN IS IT?  Vicki Hood


http://personalcaretruth.com/2010/08/exposing-the-formaldehyde-myth/

In the past I bought it in liquid form in a bottle from the local 
pharmacy.  Plus, I've actually seen it in ingredient lists on nail 
enamel.

sol







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Re: CSNail Fungus

[mgperrault]

Melly

I follow you, noting you had the promise of good results, if only you 
had not forgotten to continue treatment. Thats good.


Its perhaps worth clarifying that the actives in tea tree (especially 
terpinen-4-ol) are quickly evaporated and the wax was thought to slow 
down the evaporation and allow a continual application which seems to be 
important.  We might think that something was absorbed when a large part 
of it simply evaporated. As long as you have some pungent wax visible, 
some of the actives are perfusing out, but an application of volatile 
oils may have simply evaporated instead of being absorbed. The barrier 
function of skin is so good that many of the volatiles in essential oils 
like tea tree barely make it through.  So slow diffusion through the 
nail and skin might be the answer for the people that didnt have the 
same promising results you have.


Im not convinced that jojoba can penetrate the nail which is like 
plastic.  But maybe you are right.  Imagine a bottle made of nail 
material, you could probably store oil in itseems like.   The 
terpines in tea tree seem like they could get through easier than the 
oil, if only they didnt evaporate first!



On 11/2/2012 10:57 AM, Melly Bag wrote:

MGP,
All i can say is that when i applied the combo of tea tree oil and 
jojoba oil, i saw it disappear, so it was absorbed, after a few 
minutes.  My nails had improved. Had i not forgotten to continue 
treatment, i am sure it would have healed nicely.
I stopped using nail polish as most in the market now have toulene.  
Terpentenes are so drying, if the nails are dry all the more it would 
crack if  you use terp.
I tried coconut oil without any other oil as it is touted as 
antifungal and no dice.
Another thing, it is easier to penetrate the skin than the nail.  As i 
originally said jojoba is very thin, it could penetrate the nail.
In my experience, if i make cream with beeswax, the wax stays visible 
on top of the skin while vco is absorbed  by skin.

Melly

How about tea tree?

tea tree contains several terpenoids of which terpinen-4-ol shows a 
favorable skin penetration. One study starts out saying this;


Since its introduction, transdermal drug delivery has promised much 
but, in some respects has still to deliver on that initial promise, 
due to inherent limitations imposed by the percutaneous route. The 
greatest obstacle for transdermal delivery is the barrier property of 
the stratum corneum. Many approaches have been employed to breach the 
skin barrier, of which, the most widely used one is that of chemical 
penetration enhancers. Of the penetration enhancers, terpenes are 
arguably the most highly advanced and proven category and are 
classified as generally regarded as safe (GRAS) by the Food and Drug 
Administration


Terpenes are included in the list of Generally Recognized As Safe 
(GRAS) substances and have low irritancy potential. Their mechanism of 
percutaneous permeation enhancement involves increasing the solubility 
of drugs in skin lipids, disruption of lipid/protein organization 
and/or extraction of skin micro constituents that are responsible for 
maintenance of barrier status. Hence, they appear to offer great 
promise for use in transdermal formulations. This article is aimed at 
reviewing the mechanisms responsible for percutaneous permeation 
enhancement activity of terpenes, which shall foster their rational 
use in transdermal formulations.


The thing about tea tree however is that it will likely evaporate 
before significant penetration occurs. Use of an occlusion method may 
therefor increase its therapeutic action. Perhaps jojoba or coconut 
would retard the evaporation and perhaps increase the penetration by 
other means. It is said that jojoba is more like a wax than an oil. An 
ointment made with bees wax might increase the occlusion and reduce 
evaporation rate even further. Coconut has anti fungal properties and 
so a combination of coconut, bees wax, oregano and tea tree might be 
good.


Another study on transdermal drug delivery found that of lemon grass 
oil, eucalyptus, menthol and clove, that clove oil had the highest 
penetration enhancement. Since clove is also antibiotic, it could be 
useful. Perhaps clove, or any combination of clove, oregano, tea tree 
incorporated into a bees wax base with the viscosity controlled by 
coconut and or jojoba oil could make a useful ointment. This is what I 
do and it seems effective for many skin problems although I havent 
tried it on nail infections


There are medicated nail lacquers that are said to be effective with 
minimal side effects. One could just go with it, or try to make their 
own by using tee trea, clove, oregano and some kind of lacquer. The 
constant exposure and diffusion of the actives is the benefit of the 
lacquer, so this could have some value

Re: CSNail Fungus

[mgperrault]

On 11/1/2012 10:13 AM, Melly Bag wrote:

MGP,
As i mentioned in my post, the jojoba oil is a very thin oil that can 
easily penetrate the nails.  This is why you dilute it 50-50.  DMSO 
only carries anything lower than 1000 daltons.
The tea tree oil and most other oils you mentioned are essential oils, 
not carrier oils.

Melly



A quick review of some of the literature shows that jojoba can be a skin 
penetration enhancer. The stratum corneum presents the greatest skin 
barrier and some fatty acids are thought to reversibly disrupt the 
barrier function.  One study showed none of the oily penetration 
enhancers  were as effective as ethanol, although jojoba was the highest 
of the 4 or so oils studied.


How about tea tree?

tea tree contains several terpenoids of which terpinen-4-ol shows a 
favorable skin penetration.   One study starts out saying this;


Since its introduction, transdermal drug delivery has promised much but, 
in some respects has still to deliver on that initial promise, due to 
inherent limitations imposed by the percutaneous route. The greatest 
obstacle for transdermal delivery is the barrier property of the stratum 
corneum. Many approaches have been employed to breach the skin barrier, 
of which, the most widely used one is that of chemical penetration 
enhancers. Of the penetration enhancers, terpenes are arguably the most 
highly advanced and proven category and are classified as generally 
regarded as safe (GRAS) by the Food and Drug Administration


 Terpenes are included in the list of Generally Recognized As Safe 
(GRAS) substances and have low irritancy potential. Their mechanism of 
percutaneous permeation enhancement involves increasing the solubility 
of drugs in skin lipids, disruption of lipid/protein organization and/or 
extraction of skin micro constituents that are responsible for 
maintenance of barrier status. Hence, they appear to offer great promise 
for use in transdermal formulations. This article is aimed at reviewing 
the mechanisms responsible for percutaneous permeation enhancement 
activity of terpenes, which shall foster their rational use in 
transdermal formulations.


The thing about tea tree however is that it will likely evaporate before 
significant penetration occurs.  Use of an occlusion method may therefor 
increase its therapeutic action.  Perhaps jojoba or coconut would retard 
the evaporation and perhaps increase the penetration by other means.  It 
is said that jojoba is more like a wax than an oil.  An ointment made 
with bees wax might increase the occlusion and reduce evaporation rate 
even further.  Coconut has anti fungal properties and so a combination 
of coconut, bees wax, oregano and tea tree might be good.


Another study on transdermal drug delivery found that of lemon grass 
oil, eucalyptus, menthol and clove, that clove oil had the highest 
penetration enhancement.  Since clove is also antibiotic, it could be 
useful.  Perhaps clove, or any combination of clove, oregano, tea tree 
incorporated into a bees wax base with the viscosity controlled by 
coconut and or jojoba oil could make a useful ointment.   This is what I 
do and it seems effective for many skin problems although I havent tried 
it on nail infections


There are medicated nail lacquers that are said to be effective with 
minimal side effects.  One could just go with it, or try to make their 
own by using tee trea, clove, oregano and some kind of lacquer.  The 
constant exposure and diffusion of the actives is the benefit of the 
lacquer, so this could have some value

Re: CSToenail Fungus

[mgperrault]

On 10/31/2012 5:55 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil.  From 
the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it 
is very thin and can get through the nails.  I did use it on my very 
brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is 
i kept forgetting to apply regularly.

Melly



Are you sure tee tree isnt itself a carrier oil?  Why is jojoba better 
exactly?  Is clove oil a carrier oil? how about oregano?  Is Emu really 
the ultimate carrier oil?  If carrying is what we want, why not DMSO?  
DMSO has a smell that is not attractivedoes this mean the body has 
an aversion to it?  A drop on my table melted the finish right off.  
Seems pretty potent.
How about peanut and castor oils?  (Cayce and others)   How do we know 
we are saying something truthful, or just repeating something somebody 
else said who doesnt know either?   Anyway, I read tee tree is a low 
viscosity carrier oil that slips between the skin cells   This 
and the DIY LET lists sure have a lot of posts!  Everyone thanks 
everyone and then thanks them for thanking them, and then a dont mention 
it added on before another your so dearits difficult to keep up with 
it.


Your welcome.

no, please,.dont mention it.

Re: CSnose bleeds

[mgperrault]

Becker wrote that silver has the capacity to de-differentiate cells.  
What is the implication of this?
A family member used a CS patch...home made...on his arm for 24 hr 
period.  He reported scarring. Later, a permanent unpigmented thick 
region of skin in the area, but unknown if it was related. What 
percentage of cells would need to be de-differentiated before tissue or 
organ integrity was compromised?   If, say some pharmaceutical drug was 
known to de-differentiate your cells, would you consider it benign?  The 
silver particulate fraction of CS does not all leave the body, it 
collects in spaces between tissues and in cell wall pores, visible as 
little dense specs of metal under the microscope.  silver is an 
oxidation catalyst and has high conductivity.  There is a subtle 
electromagnetic network for cellular communication which no doubt will 
be altered by these bits of highly conductive metal.  Does anyone have a 
comprehensive answer on the toxicity of silver?  Its true many of us 
have taken it for years without noticeable negative effect, but then our 
sensitivity and objectivity are suspect.  We might for example blame a 
nose bleed on the drying effect of silver when it may be that too many 
cells were returned to embryonic state, compromising cell integrity.


max


On 9/15/2012 12:07 PM, jbidmt wrote:
is it possible that by taking a dose which was not filtered that the 
nano particles would cut through blood vessels?  thanks


--- On *Sat, 9/15/12, Dan Nave /bhangcha...@gmail.com/* wrote:


From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSnose bleeds
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 10:39 AM

No, but it is basically distilled water.  If you are holding it in
you nose/sinuses for a long time it might have a drying effect. 
Silver tends to be drying.  Try some castor oil in the nostrils. 
Kind of depends on exactly what is going on, not much info was

given...
Dan

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:48 AM, jbidmt jbi...@yahoo.com
/mc/compose?to=jbi...@yahoo.com wrote:

anyone ever get a nosebleed from overdosing cs?  thanks

CSsilver citrate pH

[mgperrault]

Does anyone have an idea on the chemistry of adding bicarb to silver 
citrate, or some other pH reducer?



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Re: CSsilver citrate pH

[mgperrault]

Thank you Marshall

I didnt have pH strip on hand but the silver citrate seemed quite 
acidic.  Wouldnt want to  brush teeth with it.  But I wasnt sure what 
would happen with bicarb.  The solution is clear but it acts as though 
it would make a photo solution because dried spills turn purple grey.


One current interest is that the  gums over wisdom teeth extraction 
flares up sometimesregular silver process with 10% DMSO does not 
work to clear this, plus it tastes quite bad.  I was looking forward to 
a penetrating silver solution of some kind for general teeth 
application.  There is a kind of liposomal encapsulation that is super 
penetrating, thought I might try it.   I used the regular liposomal 
method of Brooks Bradley with both conventional and silver citrate.  The 
conventional was good and well preserved but the citrate was unsuccessful.


Another issue is that I know someone with severe Morgellons.  As I 
understand it, the Citrate form of silver would survive turning into 
silver chloride in the stomach and being expelled or rendered 
ineffective.  Not sure the details of this.  They were interested in 
nutrasilver because it is some 3500 ppm.  But whats the difference if 
you dilute this in water or take large amounts of home made silver?  
Anyway, conventional silver has not worked so far, so I thought they 
might try the citrate form.  Liposomal encapsulation is another possibility



Max

On 6/17/2012 8:27 AM, Marshall wrote:
Silver citrate is a salt, and adding bicarb to it will make it more 
alkaline.  The salt will act as a buffer though, so more bicarb will 
be needed to reach any pH than if it were added to distilled water.


Marshall



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Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[mgperrault]

Mike

You are very certain you know a full extent of knowledge  about many 
things, including water and spirituality.  I wonder if you see how 
ludicrous that looks to people on the other side of your cranium?Did 
you ever read the infinitesimal dose?  There should be enough science in 
there to keep you occupied for some time.  Yet its probably not the full 
truth, or even the important functional truth of homeopathy.  Im sure 
you know of the quantum phenomena of entanglement.  In our current era,  
when entangled subatomic particles could be separated by any distance at 
all yet be so connected as to change spin instantaneously, where time is 
seen to be a completely flexible part of nature, coming to a 
standstill at the not too distant ends of light velocity and black 
hole gravity.where many more dimensions are mathematically teased 
out, but that we will never be able to grasp, being hopelessly stuck in 
the four dimensioned space timeat this perspective when we have seen 
our egocentric Truths being lost to new understanding time and time 
again, it seems that even a diehard codger would have a little more 
humility about his knowledgehis limits.  After all, your poor brain 
is only the size of a cabbage and if my brain is any example, about as 
hard and functional as a block of wood.  Our brains are after all no 
better than the ones that were afraid to sail too far for fear of 
falling over the edge, or believed that nature and the stars were ruled 
by the whimsy of gods.


Just what DO you know about water anyway?  Youve read up on macro 
molecules which are continually in flux yet metastable?  Aware of the 
energetic underpinnings of the electromagnetic world itself...the so 
called aethers...ambipolar primordial aspects as teased apart by the 
Correas?   Here I would suggest you google that name and spend some time 
expanding, or at least arguing your way with some rigorous thinkers.   
You know all about water, practically the very essence of lifebut 
what is curious is that you completely separate the spiritual and the 
material.  Does that make any sense to you when you pause to think about 
it?  Just what spiritual world are you referring to? Certainly not the 
causitive...so called causal, or more manifest astral or any of the 
other planes of which there is precious little, and I dare say non 
existent proof in your case (including myself in your camp).  Those 
exalted levels to which you yourself, in your physically manifest glory 
believe you may have access.   Would you have a laugh if a certain 
amount of seeding or doping was all that is required for water to 
work its information storing magic...or that some interaction with the 
walls of the vessel, or the water/oil or air interface was part of the 
action? Or that there were temperature windows or that possibly the 
effect could be grounded or neutralized by some overlooked conductor, 
maybe not even metallic?  Or even that the material world including 
water was interconnected by manna threads  of which you know about as 
much as the rest of the spiritual world  Im not saying they are, only 
asking if you would laugh to find it so.


If you were Newton but with your personality, I dont doubt you would bet 
your very life on the faith of the completeness of your knowledge. But 
even that great thinker, what to say of Einstein, was only partly right, 
and I wonder how you compare the vigor and genius of your mental 
capacity to theirs.  It doesnt matter that you find a lack of appealing 
or substantiated answers or that your overview looks the most 
complete--to your sensibilities.  Someone with more understanding would 
in turn easily uncover the limits of your knowledge and then you would 
have to stand exposed in front of the class all over again, struggling 
with new concepts, math and higher level instruments.


Its a conspicuous attribute of human nature that as soon as he knows a 
little, he becomes blinded to further truth.  His mind becomes like an 
ass who is certain it knows all there is to know about the barn,  and 
this has been a great hinderance to our development as a civilization. 
Doctors were, not so long ago, SO certain in their knowledge that they 
continued to perform surgery without first washing their hands, even in 
the face of studies that showed transferability of disease.  Man often 
looks so foolish and stupid that its a wonder he can perform common 
trivial tasks.   It appears that you place yourself pretty highly on the 
continuum, but others are not at all convinced.


Thanks for your contributions though, and appologies for my over-long post.

Max

On 5/14/2012 9:59 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

   Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com  wrote:

 So you  don't  believe there is anything to  such  things  as holy
 water?

 If water  can  form  crystal structures, and  there  is  plenty of
 evidence it  can  homeopathic water being only one  of  them, then
 almost certainly 

Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[mgperrault]

' of 
past solutes and processing in water. Both temperature and magnetic 
fields affect the infrared spectrum of water (showing their effect on 
water clustering) and these effects remain for considerable time (~1 
hour) after the magnetic field is removed or temperature changed [1697]. 
It has been shown that (still) mineral water can be magnetised and 
retain this magnetisation for more than a day, supposedly due to the 
production of magnetic nanobubbles


--


All that loving time and attention!

No, no...dont mention it. I understand life can be tough... take my 
mother...please, take her (It wasnt even funny back then)
Mike, I know we came down pretty hard on you for calling people liars 
morons and cheats but dont despair. Reminds me of this horse that walked 
into a bar and ordered a whisky. Bartender said so whats with the long 
face?
Its tough when you dont get respectwhen I was a kid I could tell my 
parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

Even my dog... he found out we look alike, so he killed himself.
Why does it take two to communicate? One guy to say something and the 
other guy to insult him about it.


Ok Im running out of other peoples material

Max

On 5/14/2012 11:29 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations

mgperrault
Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:57 -0700

Mike

[...]

Max,

What have  you done to help newcomers to the list?

Thanks

Mike Monett





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Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish

[mgperrault]

The pasteurization and homogenization of milk changes its nutritional 
value for some reason.  The difference between raw and pasteurized is 
not subtle.  But chemically, both contain the same ingredients.  
Microwave has some effect on food as does cooking.  Raw food does not 
have the same nutritional value as cooked food.  This argument that once 
food undergoes digestion, it is so disassembled that it does not matter 
what the original state was (microwaved or not, cooked or not) does not 
stand up against experience.  The only answer is that the argument is 
flawed.


What is curious, as others have mentioned, is that Mr Monett can accept 
the unknown energies of radionics.  There is no question that microwaved 
food is different than non microwaved food.  So the only question is if 
this altered food is equal, less or greater in health benefit.  
Imprinting with the unknown radionic signatures is only one of many 
possible changes that we may not take into consideration.


This same curious myopia is evidenced in the discussion on rife machines 
and magnetic fields.  As a general trend,  we find our man made chemical 
concoctions and food alterations being less healthy, or more toxic, the 
more we know about them.  Chemicals, plastics, pesticides, GMOs, lead 
and other metals. This is striking.


The same general principle should be applied to our experimentation with 
our other concoctions, silver being the obvious subject.  We really dont 
even know how safe it is,...what the total effect is on our bodies.  Its 
not a benign nutrient, but a potent catalyst  with the obvious potential 
to kill life forms, de-differentiate our cells and travel into the brain.


max


On 5/11/2012 1:57 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

Mike Monettmrmon...@pstca.com  wrote:


Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven:

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Another test. Different plants. Same result.

Conclusion - Microwaved water does not kill plants.

http://microwavetest.blogspot.ca/

There may be more tests, but the trend is clear. If microwaved water kills
plants, it should have done so in the above tests. That did not happen.

I really, really am very sorry I brought the whole issue of microwaving
food up.

That will not happen again.

Thanks,

Mike Monett






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CSmold Was: Macular Degeneration;

[mgperrault]

What odor?   cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood 
like smell?  Did you find mold?


Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold

There are some herbs for mold here
http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php

max




On 5/11/2012 8:23 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

Renee,

Things are not looking so good as before.

After much prodding, James sent me the Yahoo Group link for the ABPA. Here
it is:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/biophoton/

As you can see from the message history at the bottom of the page, the last
messages were in Dec, 2011. I wrote him back that I was concerned about the
lack of activity.

Using that as a reference, I found another ABPA group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Bio-Photon-Analyzer/

That one is even worse. The last message was in 2009.

No wonder Lena didn't want to give any recommendations.

Oh well, I may have just blown a $200 restocking fee. I wish I had known
about these forums before placing the order.

Chances are now slim that the device will work. But I'll give it a try
anyway. I have so few options left on killing the mold spores I'll try
anything if it has the slightest chance of working.

Thanks for the excellent summary on other healing modalities. I'll study it
later.

I'm starting to get the same awful odor as a day or so ago. I can't tell
where it is coming from.  Getting very bad headaches.





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Re: CSmold Was: Macular Degeneration;

[mgperrault]

Feels like it could kill you, and probably it could.  I wonder what the 
medical diagnosis would be?


Try sleeping outside, in the van, tent etc.  Some small improvement 
breathing tea tree oil, just placing some in nose.  Must get in the 
sinus. Do you get redness on sides of nose and between eyes?  Eye 
irritation?   Always wondered if there was some association with 
formaldehyde resin out-gassing


move or die some say

good luck

max


On 5/11/2012 9:14 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

mgperraultmgperra...@aol.com  wrote:

What odor?   cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood
like smell?  Did you find mold?

Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold

There are some herbs for mold here
http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php

max

Thanx max. burning wood odor. terrible headaches. problem has been going on
for over a decade. got a bad exposure in a house in Ottawa in 2001. it
destroyed my business. mnost of the spores come from the basement. this is
new and just started a day orso ago. don't know where it is coming from.
very bad.

Mike


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Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish

[mgperrault]

It works well with pinto beans.  Apparently you didnt match the 
impedance of your mental antennae

Give it another go, Im sure you can do it

max


On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com  wrote:

Fact is, you can have two plants, and
send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a
short period get similar results.
Marshall

It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried.

Mike





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Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish

[mgperrault]

On 5/11/2012 3:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

I have an open mind.

Mike

Mike Monettmrmon...@pstca.com  wrote:

I guess I shouldn't tell you my mental impedance is 377 Ohms.

The same as free space.

Mike




You mean a spacy mind dont you?

A closed mind is not a logical one because there are always unknowns to 
unsolved questions.  But having the impedance of free space sounds 
ideal.  At least youre sharing the load 50/50.
But lets apply it to Rife;   Instead of saying its not possible, why not 
use your imagination and come up with three wild ideas of how it MIGHT 
work.  Does anyone know what dictates conformational changes of 
microtubules?


The doctors told my mother we did everything we could, but he still 
pulled through


Max


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Re: CSKeeping the same polarity rods

[mgperrault]

Why do the grey whiskers get formed on the electrode?

If you put a barrier, I used a paper towel, you see they form on the 
paper.  Shaking it loose, it fell to the bottom.  Adding hydrogen 
peroxide dissolved it to a clear seemingly fine batch.


max


On 5/9/2012 6:09 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

At 02:46 AM 5/9/2012 +1030, you wrote:
Well, here's another take on it.  And I don't mean to tread on 
anyones toes, just stating my opinion.


I personally don't subscribe to the reverse polarity business.  It's 
fine for those who prefer to set and forget, but every time that 
polarity is automatically reversed, whatever hydroxides blah blah 
that appears on the electrode will be removed {blown off} from that 
electrode - and where does that stuff end up?  it remains in the 
water, in whatever form, and probly ends up laying on the surface of 
the water or on the bottom of the storage vessel which means one will 
have to either decant or filter it out.  If I'm wrong here, then I am 
sure someone will state as much quick enough, but then that's why we 
are here is it not - opinion exchange.


##  I used to think that, and if the current is high, [or stir speed 
too fast] it likely does get blown off.
 After slowing his stir speed down to 30 RPM, Fred Sprague [Smart 
Silver / Custom electronics LLC, a polarity reversing controlled 
current gen] solved a problem that had mystified him for 7 
yearsmega sparklies. [Silver Hydroxide chunks in the water]
However, after much experimentation it would seem that the byproducts 
are re converted back into their respective former components for the 
most part...saving you a lot of silver and reducing bottom sludge and 
cleaner electrodes too.


Ode

Re: CSarthritis and ppm count

[mgperrault]

Probably though, there is a difference between ionic and colloidal.

I have a few snips from papers, sorry cant give details. In one test 
they were observing what happened to silver colloids that were aborbed 
in a liposomal cream.  silver ended up accumulating between blood 
vessels and stuck  in lysosomes.


In my mind, there is no clear test that shows that silver is not toxic, 
even though it appears to be only mildly toxic, but this is a common 
theme in medicine, where they continually have to lower the level of a 
substance as they find out more, like lead, pesticides, plastics...you 
name it.


when I see microphotos of silver particles in tissue, they dont look 
like they should be there.  I continue to use the stuff though.  Did 
anyone get a feeling of a metallic cold feeling in the extremeties?  Im 
currently wondering if this is a side effect...

---

snips;

silver and gold ended up in the kuppfer cells
reticuloendothelial
system

The phagocytosis of intact liposomes was demonstrated by the appearance 
of silver-labelled unilamellar vesicles within the cytoplasm of 
undamaged keratinocytes. The labelled liposomes were found enclosed in 
cellular unit membranes, i.e. in lysosomes. In addition, perinuclear 
disintegration and release of the entrapped marker were observed. Silver 
particles, as present in liposomally encapsulated SSD, were found to be 
adequate markers for electron microscopy. Our results confirm the 
phagocytosis of intact liposomes by keratinocytes in vitro. In addition, 
the cytotoxic effects of liposomal (intended for the treatment of burns) 
and free SSD on human keratinocytes were studied in detail. Many 
keratinocytes treated for 10 min or more were severely affected.


 Data from silver suggest that these ions denature proteins (enzymes) 
of the target cell or organism by binding to reactive groups resulting 
in their precipitation and inactivation. Silver inactivates enzymes by 
reacting with the sulfhydryl groups to form silver sulfides. Silver also 
reacts with the amino-, carboxyl-, phosphate-, and imidazole-groups and 
diminish the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione 
peroxidase. Bacteria (gram+ and gram-) are in general affected by the 
oligodynamic effect, but they can develop a heavy-metal resistance, or 
in the case of silver a silver-resistance. Virus in general are not very 
sensitive. The toxic effect is fully developed often only after a long 
time (many hours).



On 4/17/2012 4:38 PM, Alchemysa wrote:

Jared

There is absolutely no credible evidence whatsover for the claim that 
ionic silver is better than colloidal or vise versa. All the tests 
quoted by the promoters on each side are LAB TESTS IN PETRI DISHES.  
It is utterly unbelievable to project such results (achieved in a 
small perfectly controlled environment containing just a couple of 
ingredients) to what may happen in the infinitely more complicated 
chemistry and vastly larger volume of the human body.


In the human body ions may (or may not) work faster, but colloids may 
(or may not) hang around and work for longer. Which woud you prefer? 
Anyway, ions probably turn into colloids the instant they hit the 
bloodstream and particles may be continuously releasing ions! No-one 
really knows what is happening.


Theres a mountain of in vitro research proving that just about every 
form of silver kills bacteria, from hard, pure silver coatings on 
medical appliances, to unstable silver compounds of every 
description.  And frankly thats about all we really know. All the rest 
is just theory.


Sure, swallow the 'hydrosol' (its just another name for colloidal 
silver) but don't swallow the sales pitch.


David






From: Jared De la Torriente jarochoda...@hotmail.com
Date: 18 April 2012 12:45:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSarthritis  and ppm  count


ill like to share  a point i learned.

 My grand ma and mother in law both have  chronic fatige and 
artritis  for some time. both  have  show  pain relieve with 
taking ICS, more joint movility so  it most be  helping since all 
their regular  medication seem  to have  stop helping and  ther joint 
and movility was deteriorating.


an as far as PPM, i done   much reasearch and popular believe is  now 
amongs  savy experts that is  the IONIC content on the colloid 
solution that does  wonders for curing not the PPM or  silver 
particle  content, the  particle content does have  some mild anti 
bacterial efffects but its true strengh is the silver ions.


a  5ppm silver colloid is more or less 80% silver colloid particles 
and 20% or less ionic silver.
a  5ppm ionic/colloidal silver  is more or less 80% ionic and 20% 
silver colloid particles.
a  5ppm colloidal silver hidrosol is over 95% ionic and less than 5% 
silver colloid particles.


another way of putting  you ll need to ingest much less ML of silver 
hidrosol at 5ppm, insted of ingesting highe amount ML of a 20+PPM 
silver colloid solution to get 

Re: CSDMSO cure for sensitive teeth Abscess/ Sol

[mgperrault]

Prospec MI paste will remineralize.  There are others too.  Not the 
perfect ingredients but it builds the tooth back enough to stop the 
sensitivity


On 2/14/2012 11:15 AM, sol wrote:

zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


Hi sol, I wonder if different kinds of soap work differently ??
Hmm, I have been using the same brand of soap for years, but I don't 
think it is the brand I actually started out with (which is no longer 
in memory).

Dan uses soap made from soap nuts.
Hmm, again. I've never used soap nuts, for tooth brushing or for 
anything else.
Just curious--- glad I'm not a cat-- curiosity killed the cat..   
Maybe I'd be the lucky cat.--Satisfaction brought it back--  
grin---I did read on the germkiller site that the minizillawhich is 
used for many face / tooth  problems is made with two C batteries 
taped together... { the double A worked for me...}
I am keeping all the zilla info and may try one at some point, 
though I do not think there is infection involved with this tooth, 
there is just a very very thin space between the gum and the top of 
the cap, just about enough to get a fingernail into or the tip of a 
toothpick or dental tool (OUCH to all 3!).


Did try straight DMSO with no improvement.
I'm currently trying myrrh essential oil.(because I have 
it)..seems to help a little (tincture) may try it neat and see if 
that works better, but again, I don't think there is any infection, so 
why an antibiotic type essential oil would do anything is unclear.

sol


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Re: CSDMSO cures sensitive teeth roots

[mgperrault]

other things that might increase penetration

niaouli oil

papain

clove

-
A large number of in vitro studies have reported on the enhanced killing 
of bacteria using various dyes in combination with low level lasers. The 
most frequently used dye has been toluidine blue (TBO) and some of the 
microorganisms studied are streptococcus mutans (20) and staphylococcus 
aureus (21). The bactericidal effect of TBO is enhanced by low level 
laser light and the clinical implications of this combination in 
cariology and periodontology are indeed promising. Low level laser has 
also been shown to enhance the release of fluoride from  lacquers (22) 
and  resin cements (23).


-

indocyanine green is what brings a quick end to the harmful invaders. Or 
more specifically, what happens to the dye when it's activated by a 
near-infrared laser.


The effect is similar to Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute's cancer 
killing nanoparticle treatment. When a laser, in this case a 500mW 
gallium-aluminum-arsenide near-infrared laser projecting at 808nm 
wavelength, is shined at a photosensitizer, the indocyanine green, it 
creates free radicals known as reactive oxygen species. These free 
radicals destroy bacteria by disrupting numerous parts of their physiology.


max

On 2/12/2012 9:49 AM, sol wrote:

Dan Nave wrote:

I believe that DMSO cures sensitive teeth roots.  At first I thought
it was due to CS when used with DMSO for penetration, but I have used
DMSO by itself on the teeth roots and the sensitivity has completely
disappeared.  In one application!  I can eat acidic things like sour
apples etc without pain and without etching off the protection.  I
used full strength DMSO from the bottle and applied it directly to the
area of the gums and teeth roots.

I would appreciate it if anyone with sensitive teeth roots would try
this and report the results back.
Hmmm, Since my cataract surgery (acrylic lens implants--DMSO dissolves 
some or all acrylics--I cannot find out what kind of acrylic my 
implants are made of) I have avoided using DMSO at even very low 
concentrationsbut this may be worth the risk. Mostly plain CS 
used as mouthwash after brushing keeps my exposed tooth roots from 
being too sensitive. However I have one spot that remains 
excruciating. Can barely even floss it. I've been thinking about 
having that tooth pulled to tell the truth.


I'd be extremely interested to know how long the desensitization from 
the single application lasts.

sol


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Re: CSwarts

[mgperrault]

I went through the digging at the roots, the topical applications of 
various kinds, the regrowth.   Violet ray is what worked for me.  
Painless, quick and no digging.  High voltage destroys the virus and the 
body manages the tissues.


On 2/9/2012 4:34 PM, Shirley Reed wrote:
 The MRSA solution by B. Bradley is  75% colloidal silver, 10% DMSO, 
and 15%  vegetable glycerine.  It will probably work in time. Can't 
say how long.   Or check out Vetericyn from an animal feed store or 
the net.  Good stuff.   pj

Re: CSQuestion ??

[mgperrault]

 violet ray.  You can find these new or used.  I have used it 
successfully. If you zap it too long, it can result in a necrosis that 
stays black for some time, so dont over do it.



On 2/8/2012 9:14 PM, juga...@aol.com wrote:
I have a question for anyone who can help me ... I have what seems to 
be a plantar's wart on both of my feet  ... the left foot is worse 
than the right foot ... They are located on the top pads of both 
feet.  The area around the warts is pretty hard, like a hard callous.  
Several months ago someone on this list said they had cured a wart by 
putting duct tape over the top of the wart, left it on for 7 days and 
the wart came out at that time with a long tail on it... I took your 
suggestion and placed duct tape on both feet over the warts .. I 
left the tape on the warts for 8 days... when I took it off, nothing 
had changed, I still had the warts.  One strange thing did happen, 
since I put the duct tape on the wart on the left foot, the arch on my 
left foot itches incessantly, the itching never stops.  Can anyone on 
this list please offer me some suggestions as to how to remove these 
warts without going to a doctor or using modern medicine?  I'm not a 
fan of either of the above solutions.  Question... if I use the duct 
tape again and leave it on longer than the 8 days, would I have any 
better success?  Truly, I am at my wits end, the warts have gotten so 
sore it is making it very hard for me to walk  .. When I do walk, 
afterwards my feet hurt so badly and I have a burning sensation around 
the wart area.  Please, any and all suggestions would be greatly 
appreciated... Thank you  .. Judy

Re: CSCS re bicarb. dosing

[mgperrault]

it was probably mentioned already but the cellular voltage gradient 
relies on the sodium potassium balance and separation and was a large 
part of the Gerson cancer protocols.



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Re: CSPPM vs uS

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I am a little confused though.   If you get a clear brew that you think 
is primarily ionic,the idea is that this immediately makes silver 
chloride in the stomach and is quickly excreted.  Silver chloride is 
perhaps not good for argyria either?  Im not clear on it yet.  Making 
silver citrate is supposed to circumvent this.  After all of the posts, 
you say your predominantly ionic brew is just what you want


thanks

mg

On 1/20/2012 1:54 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote:

Hi Tony,

I use a circuit with a LM338T in a current control configuration 
although a LM317T can also be used with exactly the same bias/control 
values (I prefer the LM338T as I have read in a few places that in 
current control application its much better behaved than the LM317T 
especially in Low current scenarios such as 2ma which is where my 
setup needs to be (also forget 1ma its pretty much useless for that - 
which is why I only use it with large silver electrodes at 1.5ma ( I 
will be migrating to a LM334Z setup ASAP due to its much vastly more 
superior characteristics especially for the home brewer, However the 
LM338T is very easy to control and bias with resisters that are easy 
to obtain - hence why my current setup is based on this)


For details see

http://users.telenet.be/davshomepage/current-source.htm

I have also used a LM334z which was very, very well behaved, when I 
wanted a travel Silver Generator for holidays, I used a flat 6 inch by 
1/4 wide electrode and 2x9 volt batteries set at 0.3 ma. Although it 
took 10 hours to produce 300ml at 18uS reading. Electrodes spaced 3 
inches apart, and no agitation.
The LM334z is exceptionally well behaved for low current and has an 
excellent voltage range!...Operates from 1V to 40V, Programmable from 
1µA to 10mA.
Although because of the resister bias values it is a real pain to 
control with resisters, my advice is to use a variable multiturn 
resister of some sort to tweak it accurately, and to include diodes to 
correct for temperature since its very sensitive to temperature.

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf
see page 7 for the diode temperature compensated diagram

and see below for the calculator
http://www.a-ling.net/alweb/hifi/lm334_ccs_t_calc/lm334_ccs_t.htm

I hope this helps

Peace to all

Asif.

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS


Hallo Asif,

Thank you for your detailed info. I have saved it because (I think) 
it is info that is not common
knowledge here.  What sort of current control are you using. I use a 
simple fet circuit for the
1mA setting and it seems to work very well. I'm not sure that will 
reliably turn down to .25mA

with a rod 1^2 area. Must try it soon.

Regards,
Tony Moody


On 20 Jan 2012 at 16:14, Asif Nathekar wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSPPM vs uS


I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest!
All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS
reading!

But I have learnt a lot!
Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very
large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic
content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very
representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when 
my Us

says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much
after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is 
clear
and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since 
I am
happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that 
On a
side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch  
with

less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much
faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew.
Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch
(0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than 
clear

CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did.
Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a 
virtue.
Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am 
happy

my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to
absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or
otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave 
it be

since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please
continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and
those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif.


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CScitrate

[mgperrault]

If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would 
appreciate it.  ratios?  Silver must be oxide first?  This is possible 
with hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens?   Can be 
made simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with typical 
low voltage method?  chloride in lemon juice defeats the purpose of the 
citrate?


Thank you

mg


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Re: CScitrate

[mgperrault]

I have read from some CS site that when the ions are not there, only CS, 
(and  at fairly small particle sizemaybe 5 to 20 nm if I remember), 
then the result is quite opaque, not clear.   I have no way to know the 
truth of this. They claimed it stayed in suspension indefinitely.I 
tried adding hydrogen peroxide and lemon juice and I got a grey brown 
mix definitely cloudier than before the additions.  But after about 3 
days it started to form grey sludge at the bottom.  I have read that 
silver protein complex's are more bioactive.  I have also read it is not 
good.  But the ionic form complex's readily anyway?Still trying to 
wrap my brain around the basicsThe citrate is supposedly more 
stable in that it does not form silver chlorideand possibly the 
ionic portion is reduced


thanks

mg

On 1/16/2012 6:25 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
I'd probly ignore that ion percentage figure one reads about unless 
you've had an analysis done determining that figure.  From where I'm 
looking most go by what they read regarding that 80% figure, but I 
believe that figure could be different in reality.  There may be far 
less ions than one may think if using LVDC setup, and that 'ion' 
content could be different dependant on an individuals unique machine 
setup and/or configuration and practices and methods for production.


In my mind ion/particle ratios could vary considerably from one 
producer to the next, dependant on the above?


Of course I'd be interested in seeing several lab results from several 
individuals who've had some LVDC home produced product tested?  I'd be 
KEENLY interested in seeing those.


N.

 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:49:48 -0700
 From: mgperra...@aol.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CScitrate

 If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would
 appreciate it. ratios? Silver must be oxide first? This is possible
 with hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens? Can be
 made simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with typical
 low voltage method? chloride in lemon juice defeats the purpose of the
 citrate?

 Thank you

 mg


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Re: CSKidney Failure

[mgperrault]

On 1/10/2012 11:49 PM, 2 Words Production wrote:

Hi,

For a loved one, seeking to help her with failing kindeys. Does anyone 
know of any type of therapy out there or above there that can be used 
to clean the blood and support the kidneys - or even regenerate cells?
Also - are there any devices that can be used on the kidney 
area/meridian to alleviate pain?


Seeking all good healers out there to help in my quest.

Blessings of good health to all,
Joy





Joy, here are some old notes I had, I dont know if the links work 
anymore but there are some ideas


Implementation is always the problem

For starters , it would be a good idea to avoid fluoride ---


Fluoride  the Kidneys
Many references, and more
_http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/kidney/_
(http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/kidney/)

Kidney Foundation Admits Risk of Fluoride
_http://www.nutritionresearchcenter.org/healthnews/kidney-foundation-admits-
risk-of-fluoride/_
(http://www.nutritionresearchcenter.org/healthnews/kidney-foundation-admits-risk-of-fluoride/)

June 2, 2008, Press Release: Kidney Foundation Admits: Kidney Patients
Should be Notified of Potential Risk from Fluorides  Fluoridated Drinking
Water
_http://fluoridealert.org/press/nfk2.html_
(http://fluoridealert.org/press/nfk2.html)

Individuals who have kidney disease or other ailments who regularly take 
aspirin or acetaminophen may be boosting their risk of developing kidney 
failure.


Researchers report that such patients who were regular users -- those 
who took these painkillers at least twice a week for 2 months -- were 
two to three times more likely to have the beginning stages of chronic 
kidney failure, compared with individuals who did not use these 
painkillers on a regular basis.




81% Positive Response to Coenzyme Q10 Treatment for Chronic Kidney Failure
_http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/n_coq10-kidney_failure.html_
(http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/n_coq10-kidney_failure.html)

Ubiquinol - Novel Form of CoQ10 NEW
_http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/coenzymeq10.html_
(http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/coenzymeq10.html)

Coenzyme Q10 - Ubiquinol
_http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/coenzyme-q10_ubiquinol.html_
(http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/coenzyme-q10_ubiquinol.html)

Coenzyme Q10 News  Research
_http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/research-news_product.html#coq10_
(http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/research-news_product.html#coq10)



Sodium Bicarbonate Appears To Slow Progression Of Chronic Kidney Disease
The study included 134 patients with advanced CKD and low bicarbonate
levels, also called metabolic acidosis. One group received a small daily 
dose

of sodium bicarbonate in tablet form, in addition to their usual care. For
this group, the rate of decline in kidney function was greatly reduced -
about two-thirds slower than in patients. In fact, in patients taking 
sodium

bicarbonate, the rate of decline in kidney function was similar to the
normal age-related decline, says Yaqoob.
Rapid progression of kidney disease occurred in just nine percent of
patients taking sodium bicarbonate, compared to 45 percent of the other 
group.

Patients taking sodium bicarbonate were also less likely to develop
end-stage renal disease (ESRD) requiring dialysis.
Patients taking sodium bicarbonate also had improvement in several
measures of nutrition. Although their sodium levels went up, this didn't 
lead to

any problems with increased blood pressure.
_http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157902.php_
(http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157902.php)
Main Category: Urology / Nephrology
Article Date: 17 Jul 2009 - 4:00 PST

Bicarbonate Supplementation Slows Progression of CKD and Improves
Nutritional Status
Ione de Brito-Ashurst , Mira Varagunam , Martin J. Raftery , and Muhammad
M. Yaqoob 1
_http://jasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/ASN.2008111205v1_
(http://jasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/ASN.2008111205v1)
Department of Renal Medicine and Transplantation, William Harvey Research
Institute and Barts and the London NHS Trust, London, United Kingdom


Healing the Kidneys with Sodium Bicarbonate
8 References
_http://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/index.php/kidney-medicine/healing-the-ki
dneys-with-sodium-bicarbonate/_
(http://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/index.php/kidney-medicine/healing-the-kidneys-with-sodium-bicarbonate/)

As far as I know this study below are still recruiting but it might
be worth checking them out.

Sodium Bicarbonate Supplementation in Chronic Kidney Disease Evaluation of
Dose Response, Safety and Beneficial Effects
_http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00888290_
(http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00888290)
This study is currently recruiting participants.
Verified by Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University,
December 2009
Purpose
This study will enroll 25 patients with kidney disease to evaluate the
effects of different doses of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) on levels of

CStest

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this is just an email test, sorry, emails dont seem to be getting through


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CSBBB

[mgperrault]

Im trying to understand ionic vs colloidal in terms of body effects.  I 
heard that the ionic was quickly compounded with  proteins or into salts 
and removed from the body. Sorry, Im not a chemist.   Point is, some 
seem to state that only the colloidal with +- 10 nm size silver 
particles is of benefit. Then there is Becker with local migration 
off silver coated wound dressings at +- 1 volt  and it isnt clear if 
this is ionic or particles.


Just checking a few quick web searches for what crosses the BBB, I see 
33 nm for a tumor marker substance, and another place that has tools to 
measure aerosol size, a few comments;



.Nanoparticles can cross the blood brain barreir in humans and gold 
nano-particles can move across the placenta from mother to foetus


.Early studies with PTFE (polytetrafluoroethylene) particles around 
20 nm in diameter showed that airborne concentrations of a supposedly 
inert insoluble material lower than 50 µg/m3 could be fatal to rats


.Nano-tubes produce a more toxic response in rats than quartz dust

.Engineered carbon molecules known as buckyballs cause brain 
damage in fish.

**
. ability to extrapolate manufactured nanoparticle toxicity using 
existing particle and fibre toxicological databases are very limited. 
The toxicity of nanoparticles is influenced by the size and increases 
with decreasing particle size, on a mass for mass basis.


So the question is;  do we know that ionic is the form that crosses the 
BBB, and do we know that ionic is the active form, and do we know that 
ionic even reaches the body since its supposedly chelated and eliminated 
quickly, and further, if colloidal reaches the brain, do we know that it 
is safe, since, as indicated above, supposedly inert material can become 
fatal at nanometer sizes...
Where is the web site with the most comprehensive or seemingly true 
overview of silver?


its nice to know that mms might clean the impossible to remove brown 
silver stain from my brain though...


thanks,
mg

Re: CSbrain a barrier/ silver citrate

[mgperrault]

This site talks about silver citrate as being more antibiotic then 
uncomplexed silver ions.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/

Not being a chemist, I wonder what the implication is.  Can the simple 
addition of citric acid form silver citrate, or does it have to be 
silver oxide or more
the above site seemed to indicate at least two pathways and they seemed 
a little complicated, I didnt try to tease them apart with my limited 
chemistry.


any ideas on this?


On 1/6/2012 6:54 PM, Marshall wrote:
A sports drink that contains citric acid makes silver citrate, which 
studies have shown cross the b/b barrier.


Marshall

On 1/6/2012 6:28 PM, Alchemysa wrote:


I haven't been following this thread so I dont know if this has 
already been mentioned, but a few years ago it was theorized that 
mixing CS with a sports drink like Gatorade would help CS pass 
through the 'blood brain barrier' to reach deeper into the central 
nervous system.  I can't remember the chemistry behind the idea it 
but it seemed to make sense at the time. And I think a few people 
commented that they used the method and believed it helped. (Its all 
anecdotal of course.)


David
(Australia)




From: Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com
Date: 7 January 2012 4:30:30 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSbrain a barrier?


Thanks MA!
On Jan 6, 2012, at 7:22 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Hi Lena -- I'm glad the information was worthwhile to you.  And as 
Marshall clarified, it's likely that it's the ionic portion of your 
home-made CS that will cross the blood-brain barrier to do the job 
needed doing.  I hope you are successful in eradicating those 
spirochettes!!  :-)

MA



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Re: CSbrain a barrier/ silver citrate

[mgperrault]

Sorry, I see just a post or two before that David was making some silver 
citrate with silver oxide.  It would be helpful if there was a condensed 
information page on basic home made colloidal silver.  There was a 
person, Dr Kat, now deceased, who made some experiments and concluded 
that bubbling air while making silver created small silver colloid 
sizes. Im sure this air bubbling has been talked about many times 
already on the list, I should read the archives.  The good Dr also 
started a vitamin purchasing coop that had very good prices.  Anyway, it 
seems like all that air would oxidize or maybe even nitric oxidize the 
silver.  Before I go trying to figure the whole thing out, maybe someone 
is kind enough to offer the basic gist.  Another question is what 
happens when you add ascorbic acid to CS and  hydrogen 
peroxide..I think this was a recommendation at one time


Thanks for getting me up to speed on the basics!

mg

On 1/6/2012 7:25 PM, mgperrault wrote:
This site talks about silver citrate as being more antibiotic then 
uncomplexed silver ions.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/

Not being a chemist, I wonder what the implication is.  Can the simple 
addition of citric acid form silver citrate, or does it have to be 
silver oxide or more
the above site seemed to indicate at least two pathways and they 
seemed a little complicated, I didnt try to tease them apart with my 
limited chemistry.


any ideas on this?












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Re: CSbrain a barrier/ silver citrate

[mgperrault]

I have found Marshal Dudleys facts on silver paper.  Thanks

http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html


On 1/6/2012 7:45 PM, mgperrault wrote:
Sorry, I see just a post or two before that David was making some 
silver citrate with silver oxide.  It would be helpful if there was a 
condensed information page on basic home made colloidal silver.  There 
was a person, Dr Kat, now deceased, who made some experiments and 
concluded that bubbling air while making silver created small silver 
colloid sizes. Im sure this air bubbling has been talked about many 
times already on the list, I should read the archives.  The good Dr 
also started a vitamin purchasing coop that had very good prices.  
Anyway, it seems like all that air would oxidize or maybe even nitric 
oxidize the silver.  Before I go trying to figure the whole thing 
out, maybe someone is kind enough to offer the basic gist.  Another 
question is what happens when you add ascorbic acid to CS and  
hydrogen peroxide..I think this was a recommendation at one time


Thanks for getting me up to speed on the basics!

mg

On 1/6/2012 7:25 PM, mgperrault wrote:
This site talks about silver citrate as being more antibiotic then 
uncomplexed silver ions.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/

Not being a chemist, I wonder what the implication is.  Can the 
simple addition of citric acid form silver citrate, or does it have 
to be silver oxide or more
the above site seemed to indicate at least two pathways and they 
seemed a little complicated, I didnt try to tease them apart with my 
limited chemistry.


any ideas on this?












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Re: CSbrain a barrier/ silver citrate

[mgperrault]

Marshall

thank you; a treasure trove of information.

Does the addition of ascorbic acid cause aggregation of silver 
microparticles?  Im wondering what the effect might be with either 
citrus derived citric acid which has all of the other stuff in it.  I am 
thinking in relation to the article that indicates that not only silver 
citrate but peptide conglomerations or bioconjugates are more 
effective.  An interesting quote with an implication on the potential of 
success for the untrained layman shotgun approach;


the functional silver and peptide bioconjugation is a onestage 
technology for pre

paring conjugates of metal nanoparticles and biologi
cal molecules, which consists in reducing the silver
nitrate in the presence of peptides. In this case, the
peptides play the role of a stabilizer of the nanoparticle
surface. In the synthesis, a peptide solution (0.7 ml)
with a specified concentration was mixed with a 0.1 M
AgNO3 solution (0.1 ml). Then, a trisHCl buffer
(0.1 M, pH 8.6) was added, and the produced solution
was stirred for 15 min. Thereafter, a 0.1 M sodium
boron hydride solution (0.1 ml) was added dropwise.
The reaction was carried out for 4 h, followed by cen
trifugation at 4 g for 2 h in order to separate the
nanoparticles conjugated with the peptide from the
unbound peptide.

On 1/6/2012 9:43 PM, Marshall wrote:

On 1/6/2012 9:45 PM, mgperrault wrote:
Sorry, I see just a post or two before that David was making some 
silver citrate with silver oxide.  It would be helpful if there was a 
condensed information page on basic home made colloidal silver.  
There was a person, Dr Kat, now deceased, who made some experiments 
and concluded that bubbling air while making silver created small 
silver colloid sizes. Im sure this air bubbling has been talked about 
many times already on the list, I should read the archives.  The good 
Dr also started a vitamin purchasing coop that had very good prices.  
Anyway, it seems like all that air would oxidize or maybe even 
nitric oxidize the silver.  Before I go trying to figure the whole 
thing out, maybe someone is kind enough to offer the basic gist.  
Another question is what happens when you add ascorbic acid to CS 
and  hydrogen peroxide..I think this was a recommendation at 
one time


Bubbling can be used a a cheap way to stir.  It introduces CO2, 
increasing the amount of silver carbonate generate.  In general it 
does not cause silver nitrate to form unless the air is quite 
polluted, or you are brewing in the middle of a thunderstorm.


Marshall


Thanks for getting me up to speed on the basics!

mg

On 1/6/2012 7:25 PM, mgperrault wrote:
This site talks about silver citrate as being more antibiotic then 
uncomplexed silver ions.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/

Not being a chemist, I wonder what the implication is.  Can the 
simple addition of citric acid form silver citrate, or does it have 
to be silver oxide or more
the above site seemed to indicate at least two pathways and they 
seemed a little complicated, I didnt try to tease them apart with my 
limited chemistry.


any ideas on this?












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CSbrain a barrier?

[mgperrault]

Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier?  
Informed person says it does.   I witnessed someone putting a poultice 
of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de 
pigmented scar tissue like area.


If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate 
cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re 
differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even 
cancerous.  I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore.  
Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains 
on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean.  So 
I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation 
and this seems totally frightening.  What is uncontrolled 
de-differentiation?  Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but 
anyway, not good I can imagine.   Sorry if this has been covered, I 
looked at the archives but didnt find anything


thanks

mg


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Re: CSbrain a barrier?

[mgperrault]

perhaps shockingly, I have tried this method.unsuccessfully.  I 
placed several sterile hypodermic needles with the correct voltage and 
current.  They were not silver, but Nordenstroms method was not 
silver.   Silver introduces the de differentiation factor of Becker.


It seems that the tiny voltages found by Becker to be effective, and not 
only that, the correct polarity from the wound site, would be difficult 
to achieve when hoping for a healing or elimination of cancer.  Is it 
not possible that the silver ions could still produce de differentiated 
cells without the proper voltage fields and this could be a bad thing?  
Elsewhere he shows that higher voltages, of the type that I commonly use 
in zapping, can promote cancer growth up to 600%, if I remember.


mg

On 1/4/2012 6:04 PM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

Several decades ago  an MD named Bjorn Nordenstrom, at the Karolinska 
Institute,  reported success in treating tumors with electrified needles 
applied, as I recall, directly to the tumors.So far as I know, this method 
has not gained much acceptance.  I do not know why.




On 2012/01/05, at 9:18, Jason R Eaton wrote:


Greetings,

According to Becker's work contrasted with Bart Flick's work contrasted with 
Steven Quinto's work, the following statement can be made:

With the right amount of current (extremely small amount), silver ions 
delivered by this current can cause cancer cells to dedifferentiate, and thus 
return to a pre-cancerous state.  However, Becker refuted this claim; based on 
his work, it is clear that the RIGHT amount of current must be used.

Stephen Quinto followed up and studied the effect that silver ions had on human 
cancer cells, and found that the silver ion has the capability to destroy 
cancer cells.  His lab studies were never published, but they were very 
interesting.

However, I do not view silver as a primary treatment modality for cancer, as the silver 
ion must reach the cancer, and with cancer/tumors in the body, if you're not a surgeon, 
getting that task done guaranteed is not easy.

~Jason


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What is uncontrolled de-differentiation?  Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a 
scar tissue, but
anyway, not good I can imagine.

So those who nebulize CS are increasing their chances of lung cancer?

Terry

 mgperraultmgperra...@aol.com  wrote:

Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier?
Informed person says it does.   I witnessed someone putting a poultice
of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de
pigmented scar tissue like area.

If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate
cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re
differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even
cancerous.  I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore.
Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains
on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean.  So
I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation
and this seems totally frightening.  What is uncontrolled
de-differentiation?  Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but
anyway, not good I can imagine.   Sorry if this has been covered, I
looked at the archives but didnt find anything

thanks

mg


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Re: CSbrain a barrier?

[mgperrault]

Are you objective enough to tell .from your intuitive means.if 
there is any concurrent damage from silver de constructing the exquisite 
differentiation that creates our functioning brain?  I guess that sounds 
harsh.  It seems strange that a heavy metal man made colloid would be 
the thing to activate the crown chakra, buy hey, the creation is bizarre 
anyway you look at it.  I can imagine the enthusiasm when Tesla was able 
to produce and play with massive amounts of purple electric plasma, and 
then make photographic imaging with x-rays and then thought of them as 
therapeutic for a while.  If you happen to stand near a lightening bolt, 
where the bolt changes trajectory angle there is an x-ray burst. 
Scientists have estimated that airplane passengers could be exposed to a 
radiation dose equal to that from 400 chest X-rays if their airplane 
happens to be near the start of a lightning discharge.  So now imagine 
what that might do to your crown chakra, including seeing a thousand 
petaled lotus of blue and violet flames, along with quite a rapturous 
out of body potential.   Maybe this is what weve been missing in the 
Buddhist groupthat 400 chest x-ray level invisible kyosaku stick 
that gives great peace of mind together with DNA dis-incarnation.


What do we do when something is the next best thing since sliced bread 
when we find that sliced bread is actually not healthy?


Does Silver cause scar tissue?  I think I have seen this

thank you
mg

On 1/4/2012 8:43 PM, D Glover wrote:
You can download the entire book free still, 'The Body Electric' by 
Robert O Becker M.D. and Gary Selden. My solver sol definitely reaches 
the brain, as I can feel a great peace in my mind when I take it (both 
through chakra activation and I think a quieting of whatever 
pathogenic organisms that may be present) and a definite oomph in my 
brain just moments after taking the silver sol in my mouth. Silver 
does indeed certainly present potential for stem cell research too, if 
more researchers could be persuaded to take it seriously, though most 
of them just go where the money goes I think, otherwise they don't get 
their research grants. Dave Glover


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:13 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com 
mailto:mgperra...@aol.com wrote:


Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier?
 Informed person says it does.   I witnessed someone putting a
poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a
slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area.

If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de
differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can
sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb
and bone, even cancerous.  I may not have it right, but I dont
have the book anymore.  Another part of the conundrum is that when
the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus,
this is very difficult to clean.  So I imagine the silver staining
the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally
frightening.  What is uncontrolled de-differentiation?  Perhaps
almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can
imagine.   Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the
archives but didnt find anything

thanks

mg


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Re: CSbrain a barrier?

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Becker found that the positively charged sliver ions de differentiated 
cells to primitive quickly growing embryonic cells. Collagen may make a 
complex with the positive silver ions and create a needed  field for 
regeneration and maturation of the stem cells.  The proper /Circuit/ was 
required which was a silver anode at the wound and a cathode distally 
placed with about 0.1 volts per square inch.  First a saturation of 
silver ions occurred with tissue which was antibiotic, then embryonic 
cells were produced, especially from fibroblasts, and then in the 
continued presence of a specific voltage and polarity, regeneration 
could occur.


Dr. Becker noted that the combined effect of the proper level of current 
and the delivery of silver ions could dedifferentiate cancer cells; both 
elements must be correctly applied for any results


So simply migrating silver into the brain doesnt fulfill the 
requirements.  Further, the amount of voltage typically used in a zapper 
exceeds the limit many times and is shown to increase cancer growth by 300%


It is apparent that the Becker silver dressing and circuit method is a 
fantastic regenerative breakthrough, but that a shot in the dark hopeful 
approach is not the same thingbut my question is how much damage can 
this do in the brain; quickly dividing embryonic cells.


thanks,

mg


On 1/4/2012 10:26 PM, mgperrault wrote:
Are you objective enough to tell .from your intuitive means.if 
there is any concurrent damage from silver de constructing the 
exquisite differentiation that creates our functioning brain?  I guess 
that sounds harsh.  It seems strange that a heavy metal man made 
colloid would be the thing to activate the crown chakra, buy hey, the 
creation is bizarre anyway you look at it.  I can imagine the 
enthusiasm when Tesla was able to produce and play with massive 
amounts of purple electric plasma, and then make photographic imaging 
with x-rays and then thought of them as therapeutic for a while.  If 
you happen to stand near a lightening bolt, where the bolt changes 
trajectory angle there is an x-ray burst. Scientists have estimated 
that airplane passengers could be exposed to a radiation dose equal to 
that from 400 chest X-rays if their airplane happens to be near the 
start of a lightning discharge.  So now imagine what that might do to 
your crown chakra, including seeing a thousand petaled lotus of blue 
and violet flames, along with quite a rapturous out of body 
potential.   Maybe this is what weve been missing in the Buddhist 
groupthat 400 chest x-ray level invisible kyosaku stick that gives 
great peace of mind together with DNA dis-incarnation.


What do we do when something is the next best thing since sliced bread 
when we find that sliced bread is actually not healthy?


Does Silver cause scar tissue?  I think I have seen this

thank you
mg

On 1/4/2012 8:43 PM, D Glover wrote:
You can download the entire book free still, 'The Body Electric' by 
Robert O Becker M.D. and Gary Selden. My solver sol definitely 
reaches the brain, as I can feel a great peace in my mind when I take 
it (both through chakra activation and I think a quieting of whatever 
pathogenic organisms that may be present) and a definite oomph in my 
brain just moments after taking the silver sol in my mouth. Silver 
does indeed certainly present potential for stem cell research too, 
if more researchers could be persuaded to take it seriously, though 
most of them just go where the money goes I think, otherwise they 
don't get their research grants. Dave Glover


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:13 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com 
mailto:mgperra...@aol.com wrote:


Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier?
 Informed person says it does.   I witnessed someone putting a
poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a
slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area.

If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de
differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can
sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb
and bone, even cancerous.  I may not have it right, but I dont
have the book anymore.  Another part of the conundrum is that
when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making
apparatus, this is very difficult to clean.  So I imagine the
silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this
seems totally frightening.  What is uncontrolled
de-differentiation?  Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar
tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine.   Sorry if this has
been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything

thanks

mg


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