Re: [freenet-support] NAT & Freenet

[Toad]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:41:56 -0700, Galen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >I was thinking of P2P file transfer protocols. Bittorrent, gnutella,  
> >fasttrack, etc. Uploading doesn't always work really great, but  
> >downloading is quite decent. Bittorrent seems to have zero problems  
> >saturating upstream bandwidth on many torrents that are 100% behind NAT.  
> >I classified (mentally) freenet as a P2P, but it's more like a  
> >server-to-server for best performance.
> 
> Bittorrent works _really_ lousy for downloading if you don't open up a  
> bunch of ports in the firewall/NAT.

Yup, Blizzard had major problems with this when they started offering
vids only via torrent to save bandwidth... it didn't help that they didn't
provide a bandwidth slider in their custom clients (and didn't provide a
link to the .torrent files directly either).
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Re: [freenet-support] NAT & Freenet

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On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 11:05:14PM -0700, Galen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> One of the places where I would like to use freenet is behind NAT. I 
> know all about port mapping, but this simply isn't available in this 
> situation.
> 
> What is the hope of running Freenet?
> 
> I know virtually every other protocol has implemented support for NAT 
> as part of (or before) becoming mainstream... if this doesn't exist in 
> freenet as of now, it might be something important if freenet were to 
> ever become widely used.

No, they haven't. Please try running a web server behind a NAT that you
can't forward ports on. Or ssh. Or any number of other client/server
protocols.

To answer your question, freenet stable build 5077, or recent freenet 
unstable builds (60077 is current), will work a lot better in such a 
situation than previous builds. However, the node will still not be a
proper member of the network because it cannot receive incoming
connections, and thus will not perform as well as it could. I don't
think your anonymity is seriously jeopardized by being behind a NAT, but
I'm not absolutely sure on that one.

Implementing a means for sending a message through the network to tell a
NATted node to open a connection to another node is something that we
might implement, but probably not before 0.6.
> 
> -Galen
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Re: [freenet-support] Current proportion of requests being accepted: 0, 660

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On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 02:56:49PM +0200, Rudolf Krist wrote:
> Using unstable build 60058
> 
> Since I set the the number of download threads from 50 to 70 in FUQID
> the proportion value began to decrease. Now ~ 2 hours running with 70
> threads it is at 0,660 and seems to stay at this level.

Ugh. Your node is severely overloaded and rate limiting has not managed
to fix this for some reason. Does this still happen with recent builds?
> 
> here are some settings of my node:
> outputBandwidthLimit=13001
> maxNodeConnections=300
> inputBandwidthLimit=7
> 
> I set the thread number to 70 because of the 7 KB/second input
> Bandwidth limit in average only 40% are used, rarely there were some
> peaks up to ~ 60% of the limit, even after I set the thread number to 70.

You mean 70kB/sec, not 70MB/sec, right? What did you set the outputBytes
to in the config file exactly? It's in bytes/sec...
> 
> Why did the proportion of requests, being accepted, decrease?

Because your node is overloaded.
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Re: Minor update to script (Re: [freenet-support] log rotation)

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On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:11:17PM -0500, Conrad Sabatier wrote:
> Just noticed after I had uploaded the log rotate script that the date command
> was being used in two locations.  Stoopid.

Uhm, what exactly is this supposed to do? If you are not using
logRotate=true in the config file, then the node will just keep writing
to the first logfile, so it gets longer and longer and longer...
> 
> Updated version attached.
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Re: [freenet-support] NPE in build 5077

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 05:19:11PM +0200, Niklas Bergh wrote:
> It is a known issue.. best workaround would probably be to remove the key
> from the RSL:s maintenance-queue before actually closing it..

The workaround is easier than that. Just take getBuf() returning null to
mean the same as process() returning -1.
> 
> /N
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:04 PM
> Subject: [freenet-support] NPE in build 5077
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just started to get these in the shell:
> > Caught java.lang.NullPointerException running maintenance queue
> > java.lang.NullPointerException
> > at freenet.ConnectionHandler.getBuf(ConnectionHandler.java:866)
> > at
> freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.beforeSelect(ReadSelectorLoop.java:140)
> > at
> freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:734)
> > at
> freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.run(ReadSelectorLoop.java:669)
> > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
> >
> > The log contains the same:
> > 27.04.2004 14:56:37 (freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop, Network reading
> thread, ERROR): Caught java.lang.NullPointerException running maintenance
> queue
> > java.lang.NullPointerException
> > at freenet.ConnectionHandler.getBuf(ConnectionHandler.java:866)
> > at
> freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.beforeSelect(ReadSelectorLoop.java:140)
> > at
> freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:734)
> > at
> freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.run(ReadSelectorLoop.java:669)
> > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
> >
> > I guess it's a coincidence, but the came after I had a look at the
> > environment node info page.
> > System is Linux 2.4.25, Sun Java 1.4.2_04 server vm
> >
> > Saluton
> >   Marc
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Build 5077, problems with routing summary and log rotating

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 06:08:50PM +0200, Rudolf Krist wrote:
> Toad schrieb:
> 
> >On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 04:30:29PM +0200, Marc wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>when I try to view <http://localhost:/servlet/nodestatus/routing.html>
> >>(the routing summary), I get nothing back. But in freenet.log I find the
> >>following:
> >
> >
> >D'oh. Will be fixed in 5078.
> >
> 
> It doesn't work in unstable builds too.

I know. It will be fixed in the next unstable build and then merged to
the stable when we are ready to put out a new stable build.
> 
> see:
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/12545/
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/12833/
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/12830/
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support/3853/
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] The Freenet Experience

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 11:20:41AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 April 2004 10:53, Toad wrote:
> > I assume you are using the stable branch? What build? Have you upgraded
> > to 5077? And please show me the top few lines from
> > http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html
> 
> I'm running 5076. What's new in 5077?

A very very long list of changes - some very important bugfixes, some
fairly major architectural changes (now the routing table is larger than
the connected nodes rather than being smaller - this should definitely
help you...), etc etc. I announced it a few days ago.
> 
> Number of node references
> 32

That's bad. What's your rtMaxNodes set to? Are you running some crippled
operating system that forces us to limit it unnecessarily e.g. Windows 98?
> 
> 
> Attempted to contact node references
> 29

Fair enough.
> 
> 
> Contacted node references
> 26

Ditto.
> 
> 
> Connections with Successful Transfers
> 20

Ditto.
> 
> 
> Backed off nodes
> 21

Not unexpected. You need more connections. Upgrading to 5077 is probably
going to help you significantly.
> 
> 
> Connection Attempts
> 11520
> 
> 
> Successful Connections
> 8522
> 
> 
> Lowest max estimated search time
> 0ms

Curious.
> 
> 
> Lowest max estimated DNF time
> 0ms

Very curious.
> 
> 
> Lowest global search time estimate
> 38402ms
> 
> 
> Highest global search time estimate
> 69109ms
> 
> 
> Lowest global transfer rate estimate
> 4,441 bytes/second
> 
> 
> Highest global transfer rate estimate
> 7,402 bytes/second

All 4 of these are reasonable.
> 
> 
> Lowest one hop probability of DNF
> 0.96
> 
> 
> Highest one hop probability of DNF
> 0.97

These are depressing. Upgrade to 5077.
> 
> 
> Lowest one hop probability of transfer failure
> 0.2
> 
> 
> Highest one hop probability of transfer failure
> 0.24

Not too good...
> 
> 
> Single hop probability of QueryRejected
> 0.12835881455029807
> 
> 
> Single hop average time for QueryRejected
> 2074.4689388858346
> 
> 
> Single hop probability of early timeout
> 0.4004490720707994
> 
> 
> Single hop average time for early timeout
> 17750.161157313287
> 
> 
> Single hop probability of search timeout
> 0.0932319037183529
> 
> 
> Single hop average time for search timeout
> 86773.46966283562
> 
> 
> Single hop overall probability of DNF given no timeout
> 0.9745008553493326
> 
> 
> Single hop overall probability of transfer failure given transfer
> 0.04399358870116013
> 
> 
> Total number of requests that didn't QR
> 9891
> 
> 
> Total number of reqests that timed out before a QR or Accepted
> 3706
> 
> 
> Implementation
> freenet.node.rt.NGRoutingTable
> 
> phma
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Reminder re sessionv2 was Re: [freenet-support] Recognizable headers in Freenet conversation

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On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 10:11:37PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> I fired up Ethereal and let it capture for a few minutes, then looked for a 
> SYN packet. The first 0xc0 bytes of the conversation have what appear to be 
> easily recognizable bytes: 00 01 09 04 00 00, and a string of zeros later. 
> Shouldn't these be set to random-looking gibberish, so that it's impossible 
> to find all Freenet nodes by looking for patterns in packets?

Yup. This is a weakness of the current session protocol. There is no
reason for it as ID bytes could easily be included in the noderef, and
ideally made to depend on time of day etc.

00 01 is the session ID for FNP
I'm not sure about the rest.
Need to investigate this.
Definitely need to do sessionv2 before 1.0. And it needs to get rid of
the tag bytes!
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] some errors with build 5076

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 07:54:38PM -0400, Nikita Proskourine wrote:
> Here is some selective filtering of my freenet.log for errors. I am 
> running FreeNet on WinXP with the bundled JRE (installed from scratch).
> 
> A few minutes after I started my node:
> 
> Apr 9, 2004 7:03:17 PM (freenet.support.FileBucket, Finalizer, ERROR): 
> Delete failed on bucket t2040c6af
> Apr 9, 2004 7:03:37 PM (freenet.support.FileBucket, Finalizer, ERROR): 
> Delete failed on bucket t6da6cb44
> Apr 9, 2004 7:13:13 PM (freenet.support.FileBucket, Finalizer, ERROR): 
> Delete failed on bucket t7ffe7483
> (I haven't seen them since)

Thanks, it turns out we were using the wrong kind of buckets in a few
places.
> 
> A bit later:
> 
> Apr 9, 2004 8:00:00 PM (freenet.diagnostics.FileEventDequeue, 
> YThread-67, ERROR): Failed to read diagnostics data for variable 
> 'noConnCount' from disk (File: C:\Program 
> Files\Freenet\stats\noConnCount\2), using empty file.

Hmm. Probably not serious. I think this has been downgraded recently.
> 
> There were a number of related messages. I am guessing they are 
> innocuous, but then they shouldn't be labeled as errors. I got a whole 
> slew of them again almost exactly at midnight.
> 
> I also notice lots and lots of "State does not receive" errors, which 
> suggest a bug in the code (method not found):
> 
> Apr 9, 2004 8:13:44 PM (freenet.node.states.request.InsertPending, 
> YThread-42, ERROR): State does not receive: freenet.Message: DataRequest 
> @[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: 
> 217.44.78.217:3134>local,[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(afa7 9902 
> ae6a 0dd5 d23d  cfd6 73c9 83ef 32d1 c29d)], 
> sock=[Socket[addr=/217.44.78.217,port=3134,localport=12000]], 
> chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/24.58.1.170:12000 
> remote=/217.44.78.217:3134]], peer=[Peer [DSA(afa7 9902 ae6a 0dd5 d23d  
> cfd6 73c9 83ef 32d1 c29d) @ 217.44.78.217:3134 (1/3)]], 
> outbound=[false]] @ ae2181bfc6e8d1d2: java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: 
> freenet.node.states.request.InsertPending.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node, 
> freenet.message.DataRequest)

Wierd..

> Apr 9, 2004 8:30:39 PM (freenet.node.states.request.DataPending, 
> YThread-94, ERROR): State does not receive: freenet.Message: 
> StoreData@(hopsSinceReset=0,requestsPerHour=82835,dataSource=tcp/freenet.shatteredsilicon.net:18001,
>  
> sessions=1, presentations=3, ID=DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  c7ef 83e1 
> 61ff 0360 d627), version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5076): 
> java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: 
> freenet.node.states.request.DataPending.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node, 
> freenet.message.StoreData)

WTF? DataPending does not receive StoreData?! Fixed in my local tree,
will go into 5078.

> Apr 9, 2004 8:32:03 PM (freenet.node.states.request.AwaitingStoreData, 
> YThread-80, ERROR): State does not receive: freenet.Message: DataReply 
> @[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: 
> 3342>217.44.78.217:20065,[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(afa7 9902 
> ae6a 0dd5 d23d  cfd6 73c9 83ef 32d1 c29d)], 
> sock=[Socket[addr=/217.44.78.217,port=20065,localport=3342]], 
> chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/24.58.1.170:3342 
> remote=/217.44.78.217:20065]], peer=[Peer [DSA(afa7 9902 ae6a 0dd5 d23d  
> cfd6 73c9 83ef 32d1 c29d) @ 217.44.78.217:20065 (1/3)]], 
> outbound=[true]] @ e57a5ea50a0c4b9e: java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: 
> freenet.node.states.request.AwaitingStoreData.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node, 
> freenet.message.DataReply)

Hmmm. Could be handled better, but basically is down to the network not
behaving properly - timeouts etc.

> (there are many more)
> 
> I also see some NullPointerExceptions (rarely):
> 
> Apr 9, 2004 8:24:04 PM (freenet.node.Node, YThread-75, ERROR): Error 
> while receiving message freenet.node.states.request.RequestInitiator@ 
> 1081556644468 in state [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
> key=a144fa591c08982bb74285653709a816b25157f80b0302, hopsToLive=8, 
> id=56cb43dd450477da, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (a144fa591c08982bb74285653709a816b25157f80b0302,request), 
> ft=freenet.client.InternalClient$InternalGetToken:[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED],key=freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],hviMCl4TLVc7yQ4CZsDwyg,skipBytes=0, 
> orig=null, last=Peer [DSA(63a4 7aef ca4c 9eb8 aaa7  9b53 6a9d ccf4 c384 
> 3f4c) @ 24.87.174.3:34064 (1/3)], routedTime=1081556606187, 
> replyTime=1081556614687, outwardSender=null: java.lang.NullPointerException
> java.lang.NullPointerException
>at freenet.node.rt.NGRouting.earlyTimeout(NGRouting.java:220)
>at 
> freenet.node.states.request.Pending.receivedRequestInitiator(Pending.java:337)
>at 
> freenet.node.states.request.DataPending.receivedMessage(DataPending.java:97)
> ...

This is probably fixed in 5077/60071+.

> Apr 10, 2004 7:02:13 AM (freenet.node.Node, YThread-455, ERROR): Error 
> while receiving message freenet.node.states.request.Reque

Re: [freenet-support] Re: Permanent node question

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:05:43AM +, Psikic wrote:
> Nicholas Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 
> > This is an interesting comment.  Could this really  be why we are getting
> > little response in last few months?
> > 
> 
> I haven't used freenet for a few months... I just downloaded the latest 
> version and noticed that transient was ON BY DEFAULT in the configuration 
> file.  Most people download freenet and don't know to change it so they just 
> bog down the network and definitely don't help it.

WHAT? What exactly did you download? The windows installer?
> 
> Psikic
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Question re: accessing my Freenet node from another computer

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:15:16AM +, MonkeyOmen wrote:
> Niklas Bergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Hmmm.. That ought to do it.. If you spawn a standard apache on the linux
> > machine, can your 10.* machines access pages from it successfully?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If not, then I think this is a TCP/IP routing issue... Do the test and
> > we'll talk more it this is the issue.
> > 
> > If they can.. Then I suggest that you crank up the loglevel on your
> > freenet server and track what really happens when your 10.* machines
> > tries to request something from http://192.168.1.10:/ 
> 
> I tried this but couldn't make any sense out of the *enormous* logfile 
> generated.  With logLevel set to Error nothing came up.  With it set to Debug, 
> it's 100,000+ lines in a short time.

:)

logLevel=debug is *not* recommended. Personally I use logLevel=minor and
use logLevelDetail to get debug logging on individual subsystems of
interest.
> 
> Can you tell me what should I search for in the logfile?
> 
> 
> A couple other things I tried.
> 
> Moving my laptop off the 10.* segment, plugging it into my hub, and assigning 
> 192.168.1.12 to it made no difference.  I take this to mean that my wireless 
> bridge isn't the problem.
> 
> 
> If I telnet to 192.168.1.10:80 from my 10.0.0.2 laptop, I can type in a 
> request and have it served by Apache.  Same with telneting to 192.168.1.10:22 -
>  the ssh server answers.
> 
> But if I telnet to 192.168.1.10: from 10.0.0.2 the connection times out - 
> ie, nobody answers.  (Of course if I telnet to  from 192.168.1.10 (my 
> Freenet server), Fred 0.5 answers as expected.)  I don't know if this means 
> anything.
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help.
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Re: [freenet-support] The Freenet Experience

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On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 08:16:37PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In einer eMail vom Fr, 23. Apr. 2004 5:45 MEZ schreibt Galen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> >Hi Freenet People,
> >
> >I'd like to hear about your experience with and uses for freenet. I'm 
> >interested in those that use freenet. How "usable" is it? What is your 
> >setup? What kind of performance do you get? What kinds of content do 
> >you get on it? How often do you use it?
> >
> >I ask this as one hopelessly trapped behind NAT (well, at least for a 
> >little while longer) and not really able to sample freenet properly.
> >
> >Thanks,
> > ? ?Galen
> >
> Currently I am running freenet on an old P2 linux box permanently. The memory is 
> limited to 100mb, but as long as I do not use the fproxy interface too much I can 
> run a freenet node for more then 2 days. (at least that was the case around one week 
> ago.) The CPU usage is also ok, I am not experiencing any problems which could be 
> caused from an overloaded CPU. The linux computer is behind a NAT router with port 
> forwarding set and has a extremly limited upload bandwith (7kb/s) and a more 
> moderatly set download bandwith (40kb/s right now thinking of limiting to 20kb/s) 
> because this way I am able to use the internet for other things while running the 
> freenet node the whole time. (the bandwith limits are set in the config of the node 
> - higher set upload bandwith caused the whole internet access to be blocked 
> sometimes - using DSL). Currently the node gets around 1500 request/hour and 
> finishes around 4% (thats changing often, this is a "better" value) of them. The 
> node has a datastore of 25GB, which is completly used. Data seems to last around 3 
> months in it(unaccessed), but that will depend on how much I download. If I download 
> not so much data it will last longer. Currently I am having problems with RNFs 
> despite more then 100 connections and a routing table of ~400 nodes (~300 node 
> references), but data finding is not bad as soon as a request can be made. (The 
> popular dbr sites can be fetched most of the time, only near the rollover time I 
> have sometimes problems which seems logical.) To the usage: I am runing a second 
> computer permanently for fuqid and frost, but I use only a small amount of threads 
> for requests. (normally around 20 threads together)

Woah.

> So as you see it is really possible to use freenet with DSL and NAT.
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Re: [freenet-support] The Freenet Experience

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On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:02:47AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Friday 23 April 2004 00:45, Galen wrote:
> > Hi Freenet People,
> >
> > I'd like to hear about your experience with and uses for freenet. I'm
> > interested in those that use freenet. How "usable" is it? What is your
> > setup? What kind of performance do you get? What kinds of content do
> > you get on it? How often do you use it?
> >
> > I ask this as one hopelessly trapped behind NAT (well, at least for a
> > little while longer) and not really able to sample freenet properly.
> 
> I am behind NAT, but was able to forward the port, and now have 650 meg in 
> store. My performance is terrible, so I use it rarely. I click on a link and 
> it takes several minutes to falsely indicate that the network is down.

I assume you are using the stable branch? What build? Have you upgraded
to 5077? And please show me the top few lines from
http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html
> 
> phma
> -- 
> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
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Re: [freenet-support] Stable build 5077, Fproxy problems

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On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 04:28:06PM +1200, John Huttley wrote:
> Toad wrote:
>  {many nice things}
> 
> Thank you toad, a job well done!
> 
> Could you please cast your eye to the http interface.
> 
> What happens -- Has happend for ages.-- is that after a minimal amount 
> of activity.
> OR a modest amount of up time, http connection via fproxy are unresponsive.
> 
> This is very much like the max connection problems of the browsers which 
> have been documented.
> Fixes for Mozilla are also documented, and applied.
> 
> However I can browse with galeon, experience artic level slowdowns 
> whilst talking to the local node (!!)
> 
> Then power up mozilla (user.prefs updated) and instantly have the same 
> problems, talking to the local node.
> 
> Netstat will show maybe 30 or 40 connections open to fproxy
> 
> It's Dire. Its been around for a year, more I'm sure.

There are two problems here:
1. A recent bug that causes the HTTP interface to completely freeze up
after a longish period. This is probably a simple bug. I have
occasionally reproduced it but never managed to track it down...
2. A design issue. We limit the number of simultaneous HTTP connections to
the browser to 1/4 to 1/5 of the maximumThreads. We do this because each
one occupies a thread. To make things worse, we don't detect when the
connection is closed. This is arguably a significant usability issue.
Two fixes:
1. Detect when connections are closed, kill running requests and free up
the thread. This could conceivably get done before 0.6.
2. Make the servlets use NIO. This would be a substantial amount of work
but would eliminate the problem, and would have the secondary benefit of
preventing nodes being overloaded on threads when they are being used
heavily by the browser. I do not propose to do this before 0.6. But IMHO
it should get done before 1.0.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> John
> Ps,
> the reward for good work is the chance to do more good work.

:)
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Re: [freenet-support] Bug found in 5077

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On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 01:57:41PM +0200, Rama Jagerman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> First of all, congratulations with the new stable version of Freenet. 
> 
> At this moment I am almost sure that there is a bug in Freenet, please
> see the next line, that I copied from Performance --> General
> Information:
> 
> Current upstream bandwidth usage  164677 bytes/second (164.7%)
> 
> Note that the upstream bandwidth usage is indeed this amount of b/s,
> and that it should be limited to 100.000 bytes/second.

It's not a hard limit. It's a target. Over a period of hours, it should
average out to no more than the target. HOWEVER, there is a hard limit
of 140% of the stated limit. The reason we have two limits is that there
are two limiting mechanisms. If you get this sort of transfer rate
consistently over hours (check your outputBytes stats), that is a bug.
If you only get spikes that are a little over the absolute limit, that's
fine, just reduce outputBytes a bit.
> 
> I am already donating a lot of bandwith I think, but I really can't
> donate more than 100.000 bytes/second because of upload limits.
> Hopefully there can be a quick fix, so that Freenet respects the
> limits.
> 
> Thanks and good luck!
> Rama Jagerman
> 
> p.s. If you need more information, please let me know.
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Re: [freenet-support] Build 5077, problems with routing summary and log rotating

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On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 04:30:29PM +0200, Marc wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> when I try to view 
> (the routing summary), I get nothing back. But in freenet.log I find the
> following:

D'oh. Will be fixed in 5078.
> 
> 25.04.2004 15:46:34 (freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface, YThread-307, ERROR): 
> Unhandled throwable while handling connection
> java.lang.NullPointerException
> at freenet.node.rt.NGRoutingTable.createMGDS(NGRoutingTable.java:1330)
> at 
> freenet.client.http.NodeStatusServlet.sendRoutingPage(NodeStatusServlet.java:1243)
> at freenet.client.http.NodeStatusServlet.doGet(NodeStatusServlet.java:501)
> at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
> at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
> at 
> freenet.interfaces.servlet.ServletContainer.handle(ServletContainer.java:78)
> at 
> freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell.run(LocalNIOInterface.java:263)
> at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:285)
> 25.04.2004 15:46:34 (freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread, YThread-307, ERROR): 
> Unhandled exception java.lang.NullPointerException in job [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> java.lang.NullPointerException
> at freenet.node.rt.NGRoutingTable.createMGDS(NGRoutingTable.java:1330)
> at 
> freenet.client.http.NodeStatusServlet.sendRoutingPage(NodeStatusServlet.java:1243)
> at freenet.client.http.NodeStatusServlet.doGet(NodeStatusServlet.java:501)
> at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
> at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
> at 
> freenet.interfaces.servlet.ServletContainer.handle(ServletContainer.java:78)
> at 
> freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell.run(LocalNIOInterface.java:263)
> at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:285)
> 
> And there is something wrong with the log rotating. I have started the
> node at 11:55 and now fred does the log rotate every hour at hh:55 and
> creates freenet.log-2004-04-25-hh, i.e. 55 minutes late.

Hrrm. I have seen something similar occasionally... will check it out.
> 
> This is with linux 2.4.25, Sun java 1.4.2_04. I made a fresh config file.
> 
> Saluton
>   Marc
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Re: [freenet-support] NPE in build 5077

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Hmm, never seen that one before.
Will commit a fix for 5078. Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 03:04:39PM +0200, Marc wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just started to get these in the shell:
> Caught java.lang.NullPointerException running maintenance queue
> java.lang.NullPointerException
> at freenet.ConnectionHandler.getBuf(ConnectionHandler.java:866)
> at freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.beforeSelect(ReadSelectorLoop.java:140)
> at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:734)
> at freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.run(ReadSelectorLoop.java:669)
> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
> 
> The log contains the same:
> 27.04.2004 14:56:37 (freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop, Network reading thread, 
> ERROR): Caught java.lang.NullPointerException running maintenance queue
> java.lang.NullPointerException
> at freenet.ConnectionHandler.getBuf(ConnectionHandler.java:866)
> at freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.beforeSelect(ReadSelectorLoop.java:140)
> at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:734)
> at freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.run(ReadSelectorLoop.java:669)
> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
> 
> I guess it's a coincidence, but the came after I had a look at the
> environment node info page.
> System is Linux 2.4.25, Sun Java 1.4.2_04 server vm
> 
> Saluton
>   Marc
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Re: [freenet-support] Automatic server retry of failing documents

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 02:50:51PM +0200, Niklas Bergh wrote:
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ole Tange
> > Sent: den 26 april 2004 19:35
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [freenet-support] Automatic server retry of failing documents
> > 
> > 
> > Quite a few of the documents that I try to get from freenet 
> > are not immediately available. Usually I will have to retry a 
> > few times every day and then suddenly the document is there. 
> > The document can be a file in itself or a part of a multipart 
> > download.
> > 
> > Now I believe I can live with freenet being slow and that 
> > many documents are not immediately available. What is 
> > annoying me is that _I_ will have to do the retrying. Why is 
> > that not a task for the server?
> 
> You sure? I thought we had a meta-refresh tag on those RNF/DNF pages?
> Wont the browser automatically retry the page after a while if you leave
> it to?

With exponential backoff too :)

The formula is min(3600, 30*2^n) seconds. i.e. exponential backoff with
a maximum of an hour.

If this isn't working I'd be interested to know.
> 
> /N
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Re: [freenet-support] various problems

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Are you investigating this one? Do you want me to have a look? I might
make faster progress..

On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 02:03:38PM +0200, Niklas Bergh wrote:
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: den 26 april 2004 19:34
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [freenet-support] various problems
> > 
> > 
> > I wanted to report, that I get currently a lot of the 
> > following error messages: "Action cannot be taken after 
> > termination
> 
> Additional logging has been added to unstable to help tracking down this
> issue.
> 
> java.lang.Exception: debug" "Please close() me 
> > manually in finalizer: Key: *removed* Buffer: 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > * : *removed*:temp:*removed* New: true ( 0 of 262460 read)
> > java.lang.IllegalStateException: unclosed"
> 
> Hmm.. That is an only issue :(
> 
> > I do not know, what the error messages mean, but perhaps it 
> > has something to do with the following behaviour: Every time 
> > I insert something, the value "Space used by temp files" 
> > increases irreversible.
> 
> Does it increase _only_ when you insert or will it increase no matter
> what?
> 
> > It does not matter if the insert 
> > succeeds or not (usually not, my current insert speed is 
> > between 0kb/s and 1kb/s, sometimes freenet does not manage to 
> > get anything inserted for hours), the value increases and 
> > never decreases again. The crazy thing about this is, that 
> > the temp folder contains at any time only some files (the 
> > maximum I observed was something around 20). At one time 
> > there was not one single file in the temp folderand freenet 
> > reported >200MB of temp files...
> 
> There seems to be a whole bunch of different temp files around.. Not
> only 'store\temp'... Maybe some of those other contained files?
> 
> > This behaviour ends normally 
> > in a Java VM crash after some time
> 
> What do you mean with crash?
> 
> > (I do not think, that the 
> > crashes have something to do with this, Java VM crashes 
> > occured already before, but just in case...), or, if the 
> > reported temp file value reaches around 700MB, in a IO error, 
> > because too many files are opened. (Which files?! Some files 
> > in the datastore?)
> 
> Can you check with the OS which files that are open? I am not a linux
> guy but isn't there a command like lsof or something that can do this?
> 
> > Freenet is already working with the same 
> > settings for months, so I do not think, that I have 
> > misconfigured anything, but it may be, that I just had not 
> > inserted enough in the past, to notice this behaviour. (The 
> > node is running on Linux Mandrake 9.1, so this is definatly 
> > not the windows temp file bug or something like that!) A 
> > month ago I did not insert much data and I could run freenet 
> > for up to 2 days or more on that computer without any crash
> 
> Again, what do your mean by crash?
> 
> > (as long as I did not put heavy load on the node), so this 
> > should have something to do with recent changes, but I could 
> > be wrong there. I have already tried various changes to the 
> > settings (for example disabling the diagnostics, just in case 
> > that they use temp files or disabling the datastore index,
> 
> Don't worry.. _that_ they won't do :)
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Re: [freenet-support] various problems

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:16:41AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In einer eMail vom Di, 27. Apr. 2004 13:03 MEZ schreibt "Niklas Bergh" <[EMAIL 
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> 
> >Does it increase _only_ when you insert or will it increase no matter
> >what?
> I think it increases also if I do not insert at all, but only very slowly. (Perhaps 
> this behaviour is also caused from insert requests, so I cannot really check this.) 
> But that is nothing compared to the increasing if I insert something: Then I can 
> watch the size of the temp files going up rapidly. 
> >
> >> It does not matter if the insert 
> >> succeeds or not (usually not, my current insert speed is 
> >> between 0kb/s and 1kb/s, sometimes freenet does not manage to 
> >> get anything inserted for hours), the value increases and 
> >> never decreases again. The crazy thing about this is, that 
> >> the temp folder contains at any time only some files (the 
> >> maximum I observed was something around 20). At one time 
> >> there was not one single file in the temp folderand freenet 
> >> reported >200MB of temp files...
> >
> >There seems to be a whole bunch of different temp files around.. Not
> >only 'store\temp'... Maybe some of those other contained files?
> I will check that, I thought temp files are in the specified temp folder. Why do you 
> assign one, if the temp files are stored somewhere else...

Because we need to store *datastore* temp files in the datastore.
Whereas other temp files can be anywhere.

> >
> >> This behaviour ends normally 
> >> in a Java VM crash after some time
> >
> >What do you mean with crash?
> >
> Look at the attachment, I attached some of the error messages of the past months. 
> They are called "HotSpot Virtual Machine Error" or something similiar.
> >> (I do not think, that the 
> >> crashes have something to do with this, Java VM crashes 
> >> occured already before, but just in case...), or, if the 
> >> reported temp file value reaches around 700MB, in a IO error, 
> >> because too many files are opened. (Which files?! Some files 
> >> in the datastore?)
> >
> >Can you check with the OS which files that are open? I am not a linux
> >guy but isn't there a command like lsof or something that can do this?
> >
> Sorry, I only know the basic console commands, someone will have to tell me how to 
> do this. :|
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[freenet-support] Stable build 5077

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Stable build 5077 is now available. The snapshots have been updated.
All users of the stable branch should upgrade ASAP. This build has far
too many changes to list exhaustively (but I tried, you can see the
results in the commit comments). Some highlights:
* Fixed a HUGE bug which was preventing inserts from working at all
  well. This may well be responsible for much of Freenet's woes. It has
  been around at least since the native datastore rewrite..
* Major changes to how and to where we route - "bidirectional routing".
  Basically this means that the routing table is a superset of the set
  of connected nodes, and if a node is connected, we will try to route
  to it. Even if it is a transient. This should significantly improve
  performance and reduce the number of Route Not Found errors.
* Improved announcements
* Fixed a major rate limiting bug.
* Fixed many less significant bugs.
* New diagnostics and config options
* Substantial reduction in memory usage. Many leaks eliminated.
* Fixed two major bugs that would cause splitfile downloads in fproxy to
  hang, and made some related improvements.
* Improvements to the HTTP interface to the node (diagnostics etc are
  themed, better routing table status page, etc)
* Fixed bug with ZIP files in manifests.
* New linux-specific option doCPULoad, to attempt to throttle requests
  based on actual measured overall system CPU usage. I found this
  useful, others might; a Windows implementation is not likely. It is
  not possible to do this in a cross platform manner.
* Workaround for a major NIO bug on Windows (which caused 100% CPU
  usage).
* Major bug fix relating to cancelling messages (messages that were
  supposed to be cancelled weren't getting cancelled).
* Tons of refactoring - much code tidied up, split into more manageable
  pieces, or outright deleted due to not being needed.
* Lots of optimizations.
* Linked to the new FIND is Not Dolphin index instead of Dolphin, it is
  more appropriate for the stable branch as it indexes stable sites
  only.
* And much more!

Please upgrade. TODAY!

Caveat: Despite all the above, there may well be major bugs in 5077 that
either we don't know about or haven't been easily able to replicate and
debug. Please report any problems you have to the appropriate list
(usually [EMAIL PROTECTED], sometimes [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
And listen out for a new build; a good guideline is that you should
upgrade either every week or every time a new stable build is announced.

This build will be made mandatory in a week or two. Some of the new
features/fixes will only have their full effect when most of the network
is using the new code.

We are trying to work towards getting 0.6 out. There may be a few more
major changes to make before that: if network tests are consistent with
what we see now (failures occur in clumps), then we may be able to 
significantly improve on what we have now. However we will try to get 
0.6-RC1 out in the coming weeks and/or months.

I apologize for the length of this mail!
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Re: [freenet-support] out of date unstable snapshots on website

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On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:25:18PM +, zaphodbond wrote:
> 
> The dated files containing updated snapshots on
> http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/
> all seem to contain the out-of-date build 60043
> from the 3rd of april.
> 
> The files are identical.
> 
> 2,709,234 freenet-unstable-20040416.tgz
> 2,709,234 freenet-unstable-20040417.tgz
> 2,709,234 freenet-unstable-20040418.tgz
> 2,709,234 freenet-unstable-20040419.tgz
> 2,709,234 freenet-unstable-20040421.tgz

Hmm. The last one is the size listed and is version 60043. Ouch. That
build is obsolete. It is in fact older than lastGoodBuild!

Found the bug, in build.xml, fixed it. freenet-unstable-20040423.tgz is
now 60073.

> 
> freenet-unstable-latest.jar is up to date
> on the server but my ISP's webcache somtimes
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Re: [freenet-support] (freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop, Network reading thread, NORMAL): resetting

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Unfortunately this is normal when running Freenet on Windows. It is a
well known bug. There is a workaround in the code, that produces the log
message. It is possible that the 1.5 JVM, beta 2, fixes this.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:12:05PM +, Nicholas White wrote:
> I have just installed freenet on Windows XP, and have got it running (I can 
> read several sites linked from the default bookmarks, others time out, and 
> most pages take ages to load). However, I keep getting the error message:
> 
> (freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop, Network reading thread, NORMAL): 
> resetting
> 
> printed in the logfile about 30 times per second for about a minute, then 
> it stops, and restarts later. I left freenet running last night, and this 
> morning I had a 40Mb log file! I am a freenet newbie, so I have no idea 
> what to do... Thanks if you can help,
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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie help WinXP cannot access http://127.0.0.1:8888/

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:05:49AM +0300, Roger Oksanen wrote:
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> > 
> > However, whenever I point a browser to http://127.0.0.1:/ the
> > browser continuously tries to return something but even after an hour
> > - nothing  is displayed (tried in both Mozilla and IE) although the
> > address now reads http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/
> 
> Do you use a www proxy? If you use, you must disable it for localhost.
> 
> 
> > Below is the beginning of my log
> > 
> > Apr 15, 2004 2:08:34 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Starting
> > Freenet (Fred) 0.5 node, build #5076 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:Java
> > HotSpot(TM) Client VM:1.4.0_01-ea-b02
> 
> It's a rather old JVM, you should try to upgrade to 1.4.2. As for the 
> other messages, none of them looks critical, but if you get a lot of 
> them, they might indicate a problem with the JVM..

1.4.0 has some big problems with NIO. This is probably the issue here.
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Re: [freenet-support] outgoing ports

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On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:41:20AM -0700, gojyo wrote:
> hi,
> I have installed the freenet web interface on my pc; I've read that the freenet 
> client uses random port numbers for outgoing connections. Now, in my pc, I block any 
> outgoing packet from any port below 30.000 (I use Linux 2.4.22 and every outgoing 
> connection should start from a port number above 30.000, in fact everything works 
> fine). However, when using freenet, it happens sometimes that my request cannot even 
> escape from my own pc.
> Maybe freenet use ports below 30.000 too? Could it be the problem?

Freenet selects a random port for incoming connections. It does not bind
the local side of outgoing connections at all. You will need to be able to:
a) Receive connections on the listenPort from nodes anywhere on the
internet.
b) Send connections to nodes anywhere on the internet, whose listenPorts
may well be below 30,000.
> 
> thanks!
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Re: [freenet-support] log rotation

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On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 06:28:06AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> I told Freenet to rotate logs, but instead it writes an apparently unending 
> string of logfiles. How do I tell it the number of logfiles to keep?

Freenet doesn't really support log rotation in the sense that at present
it does not delete old logfiles. If anyone wants to add this feature,
that would be great. Otherwise it goes on the never-ending TODO list.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] newbie - Error: Route not Found

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On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 02:27:22AM +0200, sdretu wrote:
> Hello !
> 
> I just installed freenet.
> I used the debian "stable" archive of freenet-unstable.ps aux
 
> 
> Now I jump to the interface, browse http://localhost:/ and try to download 
> gpl.txt.

What build number does it say? Most likely your problems are caused by
the debian package being way out of date. The debian package uses a
really old version of Freenet that doesn't work with the modern network.
If they maintained their own seednodes and a separate network it might
still have been usable. Unfortunately recent versions of freenet don't
work with the free JVMs (this is being worked on). When the free JVMs
are fixed, we will hopefully provide new packages. You can get a recent
version of freenet from:
http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download . You will need to get
the unix tarball and then run the update.sh script.

> I get :
> 
> > Network Error
> > 
> > Couldn't retrieve key: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Hops To Live: 15
> > Error: Route not Found
> > 
> > Attempts were made to contact 49 nodes.
> > 
> > * 49 were totally unreachable.
> > * 0 restarted.
> > * 0 cleanly rejected. 
> > 
> > The request couldn't even make it off of your node. Try again, perhaps with 
> > gpl.txt to help your node learn about others. The publicly available seed nodes 
> > have been very busy lately. If possible try to get a friend to give you a 
> > reference to their node instead. 
> > 
> > Change Hops To Live [15] 
> 
> Of course, I retried many times with many different hops value.
> Now I'm drunk... :cP ;c)
> 
> I looked in the logs (/var/log/freenet-unstable/freenet.log) and did not found 
> anything interesting :
> 
> > 07-Apr-04 6:13:47 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading node keys: 
> > /var/lib/freenet-unstable/node
> > 07-Apr-04 6:13:48 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): starting filesystem
> > 07-Apr-04 6:13:53 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading data store
> > 07-Apr-04 6:13:53 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading routing table
> > 07-Apr-04 6:14:00 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading temp bucket factory
> > 07-Apr-04 6:14:08 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): starting node
> > 07-Apr-04 6:14:08 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading service: fproxy
> > 07-Apr-04 6:14:08 PM (freenet.node.Node, main): Starting ticker..
> > 07-Apr-04 6:14:08 PM (freenet.node.Node, main): Starting interfaces..
> > 07-Apr-04 6:14:08 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): Not announcing because I am 
> > transient.
> 
> I do not announce -at least for now- because I'm behind a firewall (wich i opened 
> the right TCP port (-; ) and my IP is dynamic and I don't know if my DynDNS name 
> would work (moreover, it did not changed anything when tried).
> 
> 
> What can I do ?
> 
> Thanks for your help !
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Re: [freenet-support] node goes offline or changes IP address

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On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 10:33:41AM +0300, Mika Hirvonen wrote:
> Pierre Abbat wrote:
> 
> >What happens to requests for information stored on my node if it goes 
> >offline for several hours and then comes back? What happens if the IP 
> >address changes?
> > 
> >
> Node downtime will affect the estimates for your node, so it will get 
> fewer requests for some time.
> 
> If the IP address changes, the nodes in your RT will get informed of the 
> change when you connect to them. Other nodes will get your node's new IP 
> address from the ARK (Address Resolution Key) your node inserts when it 
> detects that its IP address has changed.

Actually I never reimplemented ARKs for NGRouting. I'm not sure they're
appropriate. Anyone got any opinions on this?
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Re: [freenet-support] load average is too high

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On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 03:23:14PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 14:17, Toad wrote:
> > You could try doCPULoad=true, but you'd have to turn off the background
> > CPU hog. That makes the node tell other nodes to send it fewer queries
> > until its CPU usage is reasonable.
> >
> > What is the messageSendTime? On the General page?
> 
> It took several minutes for the General page to come up. 
> messageSendTimeRequest is 0, which probably doesn't tell you anything, so 
> here's the page.

Hmm. It's really struggling, even though it's not doing anything...
I dunno what we can do about it...
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] load average is too high

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You could try doCPULoad=true, but you'd have to turn off the background
CPU hog. That makes the node tell other nodes to send it fewer queries
until its CPU usage is reasonable.

What is the messageSendTime? On the General page?

On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:14:48PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 12:28, Toad wrote:
> > What are the messageSendTime's like? I suppose you won't know if the web
> > interface hasn't come up... What's the last thing in the logfile?
> 
> The web interface comes up but is very slow. I turned the node off, as it was 
> just hiking the load average and not doing much useful. Here's the last line 
> in the logfile:
> 
> Apr 6, 2004 7:24:49 AM (freenet.node.states.request.TransferReply, YThread-85, 
> NORMAL): Failed to send data with CB 0x83 (CB_RECV_CONN_DIED), for 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
> key=accec1d9a0abcc389ed67f127225edc0c4a4201b0f0203, hopsToLive=8, 
> id=a4f3f7124f06401e, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (accec1d9a0abcc389ed67f127225edc0c4a4201b0f0203,request), 
> ft=freenet.client.InternalClient$InternalGetToken:[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED],key=freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/4071f300-FreenetHelp,skipBytes=0, 
> orig=null, last=Peer [DSA(c3cf b843 3201 e6b6 0989  8124 4d3f b35a 9615 c39c) 
> @ 195.56.102.112:6127 (1/3)], routedTime=1081250326751, 
> replyTime=1081250335817, outwardSender=null
> 
> I might could put the node on my laptop, which has 256 meg, but I sometimes 
> take the laptop to LUG meetings, to work, or elsewhere.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] load average is too high

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On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 06:15:17AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 00:40, Conrad Sabatier wrote:
> > I've been getting good results with the following:
> >
> > maxNodeConnections=128
> > maximumThreads=128
> > rtMaxNodes=256
> > targetMaxThreads=128
> > tfAbsoluteMaxThreads=128

You might want to try logLevel=error also. And reduce the thread
settings, since your machine is slow - say maximumThreads=64,
rtMaxNodes=32, targetMaxThreads=128, tfAbsoluteMaxThreads=192
> 
> The load average still shot up. It's 19.65 12 minutes after I started it, and 
> the web page still hasn't come up.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] load average is too high

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On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 06:15:17AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 00:40, Conrad Sabatier wrote:
> > I've been getting good results with the following:
> >
> > maxNodeConnections=128
> > maximumThreads=128
> > rtMaxNodes=256
> > targetMaxThreads=128
> > tfAbsoluteMaxThreads=128
> 
> The load average still shot up. It's 19.65 12 minutes after I started it, and 
> the web page still hasn't come up.

What are the messageSendTime's like? I suppose you won't know if the web
interface hasn't come up... What's the last thing in the logfile?
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] DFI: New container version just inserted today

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On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 06:58:45PM -0600, Conrad Sabatier wrote:
> Thanks for the response anyway.  :-)  And don't feel bad about your "ignorance"
> in certain areas.  Most of us are still learning as we go here.  :-)

Including me! There's plenty of parts of the code that I'm not familiar
with, and I work full time on it!
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Re: [freenet-support] long running node

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On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:27:05AM -0600, S wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:33:41 -0800
> Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > contrary to everything in freenet's documentation, I have better luck 
> > retrieving with a freshly started/reseeded node than one that has been 
> > running for a while. [...]  
> > 
> > Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> 
> Not after reseeding, but on the stable network, definitely after
> restarting. A download that's been stuck for hours in FUQID will often
> complete within a few minutes just after restarting the node. My guess
> is that this is related to the failure table, and that restarting the
> node clears the FT and lets the requests pass, where they subsequently
> succeed.
> 
> Back when I was doing a DBR freesite, I'd restart the node before trying
> to insert, it wouldn't complete otherwise. There does seem to be
> something about a restart, after allowing some time to get a good number
> of connections, that's better than a "tired" node.

Hrrm. I don't know what is going on here, but I expect it to be
different on unstable/after bidi is merged, as all connections are used
for routing...
> 
> On unstable, it doesn't seem to make a difference lately whether the
> node has been up for 18 hours or whether it was just started, everything
> is very smooth. 

Cool!
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] load average is too high

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On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 07:10:25PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> I'm running Freenet on a 48MB machine which is also running mprime. The load 
> average varies from 7 to 14, whereas before I started Freenet the load 
> average was around 1.3. I'm using j2re 1.5.0-beta, which I downloaded today 
> from Sun. top shows dozens of java processes, all the same size and all 
> varying together. Is there a parameter in freenet.conf that I can tweak to 
> get the load average down?

It'll take a miracle to have a working node on 48MB :)
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] network usage on start

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 02:13:09PM -0500, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> On Saturday 27 March 2004 12:25 pm, Christian Menz wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > that _is_ freenet. It retrieves data, stored to your disk. When you query
> > data, you retrieve from disks of other users :)
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > Am Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:02:04 -0500 hat Nick Tarleton
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> geschrieben:
> > > When I start Freenet build 5076. it downloads a rather large amount of
> > > data.
> > > Is this some kind of prefetching? Can it be turned off?
> 
> I know. Perhaps I should clarify: it begins to download as soon as I run 
> start-freenet.sh, and keeps going for a while, even before I access 
> fproxy/run any clients. This is something of a problem, as I use dial-up. 
> I've heard of prefetching the start-page links; if this is it, can it be 
> turned off? I see no related option in freenet.conf.

Hmm. What we download on startup:
* The links on the front page. These could conceivably be up to 1MB
  each, but they aren't. They are however a number of smaller files. DFI
  is 64kB now, and TFE is probably more than that.
* The various distribution servlet files. These are used for the "Spread
  Freenet" option. But they are only downloaded once unless something is
  really wrong - they should be cached in the "distrib" directory.
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Re: [freenet-support] network usage on start

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 07:44:11PM +, Michal Charemza wrote:
> Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie, so I'm not 100% sure that my answer is right, 
> but I think I can help:
> 
> >I know. Perhaps I should clarify: it begins to download as soon as I run 
> >start-freenet.sh,
> >
> As soon as you start freenet your node (i.e. your computer) doesn't just 
> 'connect' to the freenet network, it really becomes 'part' of the 
> network, routing requests and data about the network. That is to say: 
> requests for data are sent to your node from others, and if the data 
> isn't already on your node, it may sent the request to other nodes it's 
> connected to. If data is found, it is passed to your node, which will 
> pass it back to the node from which the request came. Your node may 
> decide to keep this data in case it is requested in the future.

It usually takes a while though.
> 
> >and keeps going for a while, even before I access 
> >fproxy/run any clients.
> > 
> >
> The above all happens before you even access fproxy or run any clients. 
> This happens on all nodes (although I'm not too sure about transient 
> nodes... not quite sure what they are)... however:
> 
> >This is something of a problem, as I use dial-up.  
> >
> It says somewhere if you don't have a stable IP address (usually if you 
> have a dial up connection)... maybe you should "transient node" in 
> freenet config. My internet is really dodgy at the minute (although 
> clearly I can send e-mail!) so I can't check the website, but I imagine 
> is should say something there about it. I'm not sure what effect this 
> would have though.

Well... on unstable, this is slightly different: all nodes connected,
INCLUDING TRANSIENTS, are in the routing table, and transients are
expected to handle queries like the rest of the network. However their
node references are not passed on IIRC, so they probably won't get as
much traffic as non-transients... Also policy on which nodes to drop
when we get a new connection is based primarily on routing performance,
so if transients don't serve queries they won't work very well...
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Michal.
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Re: [freenet-support] network usage on start

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 02:10:21PM -0600, S wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:13:09 -0500
> Nick Tarleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I know. Perhaps I should clarify: it begins to download as soon as I run 
> > start-freenet.sh, and keeps going for a while, even before I access 
> > fproxy/run any clients. This is something of a problem, as I use dial-up. 
> > I've heard of prefetching the start-page links; if this is it, can it be 
> > turned off? I see no related option in freenet.conf.
> 
> When you start Freenet, it immediately tries to connect to as many nodes
> as possible, from the pool of nodes that it knows about. If what you're
> seeing is a bandwidth spike that goes away after a couple of minutes,
> it's probably connections being opened. I imagine that handshaking with
> 50+ nodes could use up all of your bandwidth for awhile.
> 
> It could certainly be something else, though. Check out the Environment
> page from the web interface, go to "Pooled Thread Consumers" and you can
> see what the threads are doing. (Caveat: by loading the main web
> interface page, you're initiating requests for the activelink images of
> the index pages. To avoid this, bookmark the Environment page and go
> straight there as soon as the node starts.)
> 
> With the default settings, Freenet will pretty much saturate a dialup
> link when you're actively using it, and it will eat bandwidth even when
> you aren't using it. If you haven't done so already, you might want to
> tweak the input and output bytes values in the config file.
> 
> Another suggestion is to make sure that the line
> 
> transient=true
> 
> is present in the config file, with no % in front of it. Transient nodes
> do not have any requests routed to them, which cuts down on bandwidth
> usage. As I understand it, there is an anonymity tradeoff here if
> someone is monitoring your requests and knows that your node is
> transient (your node isn't routing other peoples' requests, so all
> requests leaving your node are your own).

Well, it's not hard to find out that a node is transient... especially
as its included in the noderef. But even if we didn't you'd just have to
query it a few times, it would always reject. However on unstable with
bidi conns, transient just means don't forward my noderef.
> 
> -s
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Re: [freenet-support] network usage on start

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On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:57:57PM -0500, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> On Saturday 27 March 2004 03:10 pm, S wrote:
> > When you start Freenet, it immediately tries to connect to as many nodes
> > as possible, from the pool of nodes that it knows about. If what you're
> > seeing is a bandwidth spike that goes away after a couple of minutes,
> > it's probably connections being opened. I imagine that handshaking with
> > 50+ nodes could use up all of your bandwidth for awhile.
> >
> > It could certainly be something else, though. Check out the Environment
> > page from the web interface, go to "Pooled Thread Consumers" and you can
> > see what the threads are doing. (Caveat: by loading the main web
> > interface page, you're initiating requests for the activelink images of
> > the index pages. To avoid this, bookmark the Environment page and go
> > straight there as soon as the node starts.)
> 
> You're right:
>Class  Threads used
>Checkpoint: Opening connection   56
>freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell  1
>freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator   1
>freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true1

Woah. This is improved upon (less simultaneous parallel connections) by
code currently undergoing testing in unstable (amongst other things we
limit the number of connection openers at any one time to 20, however it
would probably go on for longer...). The DataStateInitiator is
interesting (it means the node is receiving a reply to a request), but
there's only one of it..
> 
> I used Lynx to be sure there were no extraneous requests.
> It's odd that with so many connections to other nodes, I still get RNFs 
> frequently that say "Attempts were made to contact 2 nodes", or even 0, as I 
> reported previously.

How many connections are actually open at this point? Advanced mode ->
Node Status -> Routing Table?
> 
> > With the default settings, Freenet will pretty much saturate a dialup
> > link when you're actively using it, and it will eat bandwidth even when
> > you aren't using it. If you haven't done so already, you might want to
> > tweak the input and output bytes values in the config file.
> 
> Yes, but that would cripple *Freenet*. But with any luck, I'll have a Real 
> Connection in a couple months.
> 
> > Another suggestion is to make sure that the line
> >
> > transient=true
> >
> > is present in the config file, with no % in front of it. Transient nodes
> > do not have any requests routed to them, which cuts down on bandwidth
> > usage. As I understand it, there is an anonymity tradeoff here if
> > someone is monitoring your requests and knows that your node is
> > transient (your node isn't routing other peoples' requests, so all
> > requests leaving your node are your own).
> I have transient on, and doAnnounce=false. (I don't fear or loathe my 
> government, yet.)
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Re: [freenet-support] DFI: New container version just inserted today

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On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:38:09PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> I wish I could answer you, but I have no idea what you are talking about. 
> Sorry.  Much here is not clear to those that have not been worth the
> developed throughout it's complete evolution.

Conrad has changed the way that DFI (the Dolphin Freenet Index, the
third link on the front page) is inserted. He wants to know if it is
easier or harder to access it.
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Conrad Sabatier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Cc: Freenet support mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 3/31/2004 8:48:42 PM
> > Subject: [freenet-support] DFI: New container version just inserted today
> >
> > I'd be very interested to know what sort of difference this makes for
> people
> > when downloading DFI.  The old, non-container version consisted of
> roughly 400
> > Kbytes of files.  The new, zipped container is only about 64 K (I left
> > activelink.png and description.txt out of the container for the sake of
> anyone
> > wanting to fetch just those files, either manually or using a spider or
> > whatever).
> >
> > Obviously, I can't get too accurate a picture from here, so feedback is
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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Re: [freenet-support] CS Project

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Wrong. It's quite possible to interface to freenet on the FNP level.
Have a look at freenet/client/FNPClient.java .

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 04:56:30PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:15:57 +1100, Craig Burton  
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> 
> >Dear Freenet,
> 
> :)
> 
> >potentially use Freenet to transmit files.  We are keen to adapt or  
> >create a lightweight client, preferably an applet, that can talk to  
> >Freenet seed nodes and post files.  We are familiar with the
> 
> What you are asking is for us noderunners to open upp our Freenet via an  
> API (FCP) for external use. People might be reluctant to do that, since  
> ISPs might not understand that "hosting" Freenet-content for external  
> users is done in the name of Freedom - they might just consider your open  
> port a source for ... *that dreaded word about illegal pictures of  
> you-know-what* and shut down your Internet access.
> 
> Thus, I'm not sure how many willing participans you'd find. I guess a  
> second layer at the node could be installed that tried to filter out only  
> your content for external users, but, than I'm starting to wonder what the  
> point of using Freenet for this would be at all.
> 
> regards,
> Troed - not an official Freenet spokesperson in any way - but considered  
> quite knowledgeable about privacy.
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Re: [freenet-support] Router configuration problem

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On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 04:11:31PM -0500, Brad Gilbert wrote:
> I had to reinstall Freenet from scratch after an OS crash. It had been 
> running fine. Now I can't, for the life of me, get it passed my router. 
> The virtual server setting in the router still had the previous 
> listenPort so I just changed it to the newly installed freenet.ini 
> entry. I know I'm  missing something  that's probably obvious to the 
> more experienced.
> 
> Based upon the info below, I'm hoping some wise and kind soul might 
> offer some advice!
> 
> My D-Link router (DI-604) is set to DHCP server enabled (IP from ISP is 
> dynamically assigned). I've used substitutes for some of the real IP 
> numbers for the sake of privacy, yet the numbers of digits are the same.
> 
> In the freenet.ini line:
> ipAddress=
> 
> which one do I use from the router's WAN info?: (My assumption was the 
> IP address)
> WAN
> IP Address  XX.XX.XXX.100 
> Default Gateway  XX.XX.XXX.1 

Use the external IP address. Not the LAN address. If you are on DHCP
this will change occasionally... you may want to look at dyndns.org or
some similar service...
> 
> I then inserted the listenPort number from the freenet.ini:
> listenPort=X
> 
> into the router's virtual server configurator, where I created this:
> FreeNet 192.168.0.1 TCP X/X
> (192.168.0.1 being Private IP, X/X being the PrivatePort/PublicPort)

PrivatePort/PublicPort? Shouldn't that just be the same as the
listenPort above?
> based upon my router LAN specs:
> LAN
> IP Address 192.168.0.1 
> 
> I tried 192.168.0.100 (the actual computer using Freenet) and that 
> didn't work either).
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> B
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Re: [freenet-support] Pictures aren?t displayed

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On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:38:06PM +0100, Michael Stather wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> using the newest version, when letting the client run for about 5 minutes to
> connect and then opening an index page from the "gateway page", the page
> loads immediately but the pictures aren?t displayed. One or two from the 300
> ones are loaded but the rest not.
> This appears with every freenet page I view. Is this a network issue?

Possibly, but it may just be a browser-only-loads-a-few-images-at-a-time
issue. A good fraction of the images on TFE _should_ load. Does it keep
trying for the rest of the images? Or does it stop loading?
>  
> regards
>  
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Re: [freenet-support] The freenet.ini

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What exactly does the node say when you try to start it? Please stop the
node, delete freenet.log, and start the node, to remove old cruft, then
send me the log.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:28:45PM +0100, Michael Stather wrote:
> I forgot it!
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Re: [freenet-support] Various Freenet problems using latest version with WinXP

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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:24:08PM +0100, Michael Stather wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I encountered 2 main poroblems trying to use freenet:
>  
> 1. I?ve a router, and whatever I inser in the "ipadress" field of the
> config, I get
> 
> There was an error determining this node's physical address(es).
> Please make sure  and  are correctly set.
> Note that you may put a host name in the  field if you have a
> dynamic IP and are using a dynamic DNS service.18.03.2004 21:37:05
> (freenet.node.Main, main, ERROR): There was an error determining this node's
> physical address(es).
> Please make sure  and  are correctly set.
> Note that you may put a host name in the  field if you have a
> dynamic IP and are using a dynamic DNS service.
> freenet.BadAddressException: Address seemed incorrect. To use Freenet you
> must have a globally addressable Internet address set correctly.  at
> freenet.node.Main.getAddresses(Main.java:1606)at
> freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:617) 18.03.2004 21:37:05
> (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting filesystem

Can you send me/us your freenet.conf?
> 
> in the logfile, even if I set the current WAN IP of the router instead of a
> dyndns hostname
> 
> 2. The config utility doesn?t work.
> When I try to configure and then click on "ok" in the settings dialog, the
> "nodeconfig.exe" crashes.

Interesting. nodeconfig.exe is being worked on... I'll pass on your bug
report..

> It leaves a partly written freenet.ini on the HD whose last lines are
> always:
> 
> 
> # Geek Settings
> 
> 
> # The number of attempts to make at announcing this node per
> # initial peer. Zero means the node will not announce itself
> announcementAttempts=3
> 
> # The amount of time to wait before initially announcing the node,
> # and to base the time the time between retries on. In milliseconds.
> announcementDelay=180
> 
> # The value to mutliply the last delay time with for each retry.
> # That is, for try N, we weight *^N
> # before starting.
> announcementDelayBase=2
> 
> # announcementPeers: undocumented.
> announcementPeers=3
> 
> # How long to wait for authentication before giving up (in milliseconds)
> authTimeout=12
> 
> # The interval at which to write out the node's data file
> # (the store_ file, *not* the cache_ file).
> checkPointInterval=1200
> 
> # How long to listen on an inactive connection before closing
> # (if reply address is known)
> connectionTimeout=60
> 
> # The expected 
> 
> what can I do? I would like to use freenet but I can?t :(
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> 
> regards
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] build 5076

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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:09:27AM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> Using 5076 (stable) on dialup I actually retrieve a couple of files, first in 
> several weeks.  Still have only outgoing connections after about 30 minutes, but log 
> looks much less confusing than most recent ones.  5074 actually got icons of 4 
> indexes today in about 15 minutes before I down loaded the most recent build.
> 
> Looks like something is progressing after much sputtering.
> 
> Any performance pages from the interface anyone would like to see?

I've been downloading fairly large splitfiles from stable, reasonably
successfully...
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[freenet-support] Stable build 5076

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Freenet stable build 5076 is now available. The snapshots have been
updated. You can get the build via the update.sh script on Linux, BSD,
or OS/X, or use the freenet-webinstall.exe utility to update on Windows,
or get the jar from
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar . All stable
branch users should upgrade.
Major changes:
* Make 5074 mandatory. Most nodes seem to have upgraded... This is
  necessary for the next item.
* Send the minRequestInterval on the IdentifyPacketMessage, a message
  that is exchanged when a connection is opened. This will improve the
  accuracy of rate limiting.
* Fix a serious bug in the new NGRoutingTable discard-sort order (i.e.
  the algorithm that decides which node to drop when we want to drop a
  node from the routing table). The bug would have caused new nodes that
  can't be connected to to persist in the routing table forever. It was
  introduced in 5075.
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Re: [freenet-support] SBC DSL -> pppoe NAT -> freenet node

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On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 08:16:00AM -0800, Joe Blow wrote:
> I've just discovered that my DSL connection gets a new
> IP address on the order of every couple of minutes.

Yikes!

> I
> don't know if it's because of my pppoe setup or
> because of SBC, but I think that is what has been
> causing my freenet issues, as the freenet node is
> being MASQ'ed behind the firewall machine.  

Uhm, well, yeah, bluntly.

> I've been
> using dyndns, but only manually updating the IP when I
> restart the connection.  Real bummer, I need to move
> over to a more stable Cable connection, fix my spastic
> IP updates, or use some sort of automatic dyndns
> update script.

If it changes every 2 minutes, dyndns won't keep up with it. Neither
will freenet.
> 
> Any suggestions?
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Re: [freenet-support] doctype and other html tags through fproxy

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On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 12:42:34PM +, Michal Charemza wrote:
> Paul Derbyshire wrote:
> 
> >What about inline images?
> >
> If tested this on a test freesite, and the scr for an inline image on 
> the WWW gets changed to
> /__CHECKED_HTTP__www.urlofimage.com/directory/image.gif
> 
> 
> On 15 Mar 2004 at 14:10, Mika Hirvonen wrote:
> >Yes, because you could harvest the visitors' IP addresses by putting the 
> >DTD to your own WWW server and waiting for the visitors' browsers to 
> >automatically retrieve it.
> 
> Ok, so what is the DOCTYPE doesn't have a reference to an external DTD, 
> such as the one on the freenet gateway page:
> 
> What is this type of doctype screened out? (It is screened out, checked) 
> Does fproxy just cut down all doctype tags?

It shouldn't be screened out, but presumably there is a bug of some
sort.

> 
> Michal
> 
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] doctype and other html tags through fproxy

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On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:42:36AM +, Michal Charemza wrote:
> Hi, I have two questions:
> 
> 1.  All the sites I've viewed on freenet, don't have a full doctype tag, 
> they either have none, or just
> 
> , instead of
> 
> 
> The test site I inserted into my own node did have a full doctype tag 
> when I wrote it, but it didn't when I retrieved it, it just had .
> 
> Is this due to fproxy's anonymity filter? If so, why does it 
> remove/shorten them? Also, I've noticed that the default gateway page 
> does have a full doctype tag, why, if  is fproxy that removes the tags 
> from freesites, does it let this one through?

A bug probably. There is code to let through valid HTML doctypes...
> 
> 2.  I have noticed on some pages they have this sort of section in the 
> header:
> 
> 
> 
> What are all the tags for? Is there a list of all the tags you can put 
> in this section somewhere?
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Re: [freenet-support] How do I add node refs to my node's routing table?

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On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 02:04:24AM -0800, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:
> 
> I am having trouble trying to interconnect friends' freenodes.  The give
> me their node's reference but I keep getting complaints that the ref does
> not contain an estimator fieldset.  

It should get added anyway. What is the actual behaviour of the node?
Your node cannot generate estimators for itself.

> Is there a way to generate complete
> files that have all the required information?
> 
> Each node has different routing tables so I'd like to be able to use the
> nodes together to increase the available search path within a couple hops
> or so.
> 
> Any way to do this so that the connections stay permanent?
> Im trying to have the nodes work like this
> 
>   } a.b.c.dA.B.C.D {
> a's routes}  <-= nodeA <--> nodeB <-=  {  b's routes
>   }{
> 
> I'm hoping this configration will help connectivity a bit and reduce the
> dreaded RNFs and DNFs.
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Re: [freenet-support] Exception thrown changing storage size

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Perfectly normal. The node does not support changing the store size on
the fly. It will be changed at the next startup.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 08:46:34AM +0100, Thorsten Guenther wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It's build 5074.
> Any more info needed?
> 
> Thank you for your great work!
> 
> Thorsten
> 
> - -
> 
> 14.03.2004 08:39:28 (freenet.node.NodeConfigUpdater, YThread-364,
> ERROR): Option storeSize changed to 4G but no handler was available.
> java.lang.NoSuchMethodException:
> freenet.node.NodeConfigUpdater$ConfigOptions.storeSize()
> ~at java.lang.Class.getMethod(Class.java:978)
> ~at
> freenet.node.NodeConfigUpdater.checkpoint(NodeConfigUpdater.java:114)
> ~at
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.checkpoint(Checkpoint.java:54)
> ~at
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.received(Checkpoint.java:47)
> ~at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:177)
> ~at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:61)
> ~at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.run(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:322)
> ~at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.received(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:278)
> ~at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.access$100(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:203)
> ~at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler.handle(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:95)
> ~at freenet.Ticker$Event.run(Ticker.java:322)
> ~at
> freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:250)
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Re: [freenet-support] Manually adding freenodes

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On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 03:24:17PM -0800, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:
> 
> I have two freenodes running on separate networks (some stuff works, and
> other stuff doesn't on one, and vice versa for the other)
> 
> How can I manually reference the nodes to each other?  (Hopefully this
> will allow the freenodes to share their routes and allows both nodes to
> see all the content available to each node separately).

java -cp freenet.jar freenet.node.Main --export > myref
Then copy myref to the seednodes.ref on the other node.
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[freenet-support] Stable build 5075

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Freenet stable build 5075 is now available. The snapshots have been
updated. You can get the build via the update.sh script on Linux, BSD,
or OS/X, or use the freenet-webinstall.exe utility to update on Windows,
or get the jar from
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar . All stable
branch users should upgrade.
Major changes:
* New algorithm for deciding which nodes to drop from the routing table.
* New load measurement based on predicting future downlink bandwidth
  usage. Won't affect the node much at present, it could be combined
  with limits on local clients to prevent nodes from getting high
  messageSendTime's when they request lots of data.
* Increase the default estimated file size (for rate limiting, load
  balancing, etc) to 350kB.
* Tweaks to the rate limiting code.
* Make logInputBytes and logOutputBytes work again.
* Fix a rare NullPointerException when accepting a new FNP connection
  and the connection times out.
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Re: [freenet-support] Error Report, 60006, start failed, reseeding

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Should be fixed in 60007. Please try it and report if the bug still
happens.

On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 01:17:04PM +0100, Rudolf Krist wrote:
> Starting of an unstable node failed (reseeding)
> 
> Details
> I have got 2 computers in a small network. On one pc I already run a 
> unstable node for a long time. Now I wanted to setup an a second node on 
> an other pc, so I installed an stable node with freenet-webinstall.exe 
> there. I also downloaded the noderefs.txt(?minCP=0.05&minConnections=1) 
> from my running node and saved it in freenet-node folder of the other 
> node as seednodes.ref. Then I replaced the freenet.jar file with the 
> unstable one and started freenet.exe. The result was a 
> java.lang.NullPointerException, for more details see the attached cutout 
> of the logfile.
> 
> I also tried out to save the seednodes.ref as PC ASCII Format, or 
> download the seednodes from the webserver, nothing was helpful.
> 
> This behaviour is always reproduceable. Stable jar-file starts without 
> any problems.
> 
> Plattform: WinXP Pro
> JVM: 1.4.2_03-b02
> Freenet: Fred,0.6,1.50,60006,CVS:1.704
> 
> Reproduce Steps:
> 1. Install stable node with freenet-webinstall.exe
> 2. Replace freenet.jar with freenet-unstable-latest.jar
> 3. Run freenet.exe
> 
> RESULT:
> Starting fails, java.lang.NullPointerException
> 
> 
> Detailed System Information:
> 
> Plattform: WinXP Pro, AMD Athlon, 500, 256 MB RAM
> JVM: Sun, 1.4.2_03-b02
> Freenet: Fred,0.6,1.50,60006,CVS:1.704
> Internet Connection: DSL: 768 kbit downstream / 128 kbit upstream
> Data Store: 1 GiB, Percent used: 0
> 
> diff default.ini/freenet.ini:
> ipAddress=XXX
> listenPort=XXX
> fcpHosts=127.0.0.1,localhost
> doAnnounce=yes
> storeSize=1024M
> inputBandwidthLimit=7
> outputBandwidthLimit=8000
> logLevel=Error
> rtMaxRefs=51
> rtMaxNodes=102
> maximumThreads=130
> 
> Regards
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Re: Windows maintainer needed was Re: [freenet-support] ditto on what "b"said!

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On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 04:50:15PM -, Dave wrote:
> > A lot of the problem actually is due to users running nodes with old
> > config files generated by the windows configurator, which forces all
> > settings (doesn't write %'s), so they run with old settings such as 50
> > node routing tables, which mean that the unix nodes run a lot better
> > than the windows ones, but even the unix nodes don't run well because
> > the network is stuffed with windows nodes with stupid configs.
> 
> Bullshit, the config tools preserve the %s.   If users are using old configs
> that have all settings forced, then they should recreate the config file.
> The software cannot do this automatically, the user will have to do this
> themselves...   there is no way for the config tool to know which settings
> the user really wants (and may have changed) and which were just stupidly
> hardcoded by the old dumb windows config tool.

So what can we do about this? We can certainly detect config files that
have been generated by old versions of the config tool, as it labels
them...
> 
> d
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Re: [freenet-support] Error Report, 60006, start failed, reseeding

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Hmm. I thought I had fixed that... will investigate.

On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 01:17:04PM +0100, Rudolf Krist wrote:
> Starting of an unstable node failed (reseeding)
> 
> Details
> I have got 2 computers in a small network. On one pc I already run a 
> unstable node for a long time. Now I wanted to setup an a second node on 
> an other pc, so I installed an stable node with freenet-webinstall.exe 
> there. I also downloaded the noderefs.txt(?minCP=0.05&minConnections=1) 
> from my running node and saved it in freenet-node folder of the other 
> node as seednodes.ref. Then I replaced the freenet.jar file with the 
> unstable one and started freenet.exe. The result was a 
> java.lang.NullPointerException, for more details see the attached cutout 
> of the logfile.
> 
> I also tried out to save the seednodes.ref as PC ASCII Format, or 
> download the seednodes from the webserver, nothing was helpful.
> 
> This behaviour is always reproduceable. Stable jar-file starts without 
> any problems.
> 
> Plattform: WinXP Pro
> JVM: 1.4.2_03-b02
> Freenet: Fred,0.6,1.50,60006,CVS:1.704
> 
> Reproduce Steps:
> 1. Install stable node with freenet-webinstall.exe
> 2. Replace freenet.jar with freenet-unstable-latest.jar
> 3. Run freenet.exe
> 
> RESULT:
> Starting fails, java.lang.NullPointerException
> 
> 
> Detailed System Information:
> 
> Plattform: WinXP Pro, AMD Athlon, 500, 256 MB RAM
> JVM: Sun, 1.4.2_03-b02
> Freenet: Fred,0.6,1.50,60006,CVS:1.704
> Internet Connection: DSL: 768 kbit downstream / 128 kbit upstream
> Data Store: 1 GiB, Percent used: 0
> 
> diff default.ini/freenet.ini:
> ipAddress=XXX
> listenPort=XXX
> fcpHosts=127.0.0.1,localhost
> doAnnounce=yes
> storeSize=1024M
> inputBandwidthLimit=7
> outputBandwidthLimit=8000
> logLevel=Error
> rtMaxRefs=51
> rtMaxNodes=102
> maximumThreads=130
> 
> Regards
> Rudi


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Re: [freenet-support] %initialRequestHTL=25

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On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 12:15:54PM +0100, Rudolf Krist wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> In my freenet.ini File I have found the option %initialRequestHTL=25, % 
> means that this option is commented out. But I thought, that the options 
> that are commented out initially with %, are defaults, so I wounder if 
> the value of 25 as default for this option is not too high? When 
> coevally the the maxHopsToLive option is set to 15?

Actually it's set to 10. But higher values for request HTL are harmless;
they just get cut down to the default. Sometime this should probably get
fixed :)
> 
> Rudi
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:33:31PM +0100, Michael Schierl wrote:
> Michael Schierl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > However, after a few tests (replaced Fred by a simple prog that says
> > nothing but disconnects on a keypress) i can see that I get an
> > IOException like the one above when the connection is closed from the
> > peer, but a ConnectException when I run into a SocketTimeout. Seems to
> > be some work for me to fix that (in that case it should not mess up
> > the log file)...
> 
> St00pid me... The connect exception was caused by my test app which
> closed the socket and since FIW reconnects at once, it gave an
> error then... The SocketTimeoutException occurring first is (as
> expected) not written to the error log file.
> 
> So, this bug is really somewhere inside freenet. Either the accept()
> call was not handled quick enough (dunno how accept is called in nio)
> or Fred really closes open sockets without having sent any data.

Consistently? Can you write me a test case? I need it to do it until it
fails and then stop and tell me, and I can then check the logs and debug
it...
> 
> mihi
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Re: [freenet-support] Usability improvement ideas

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 12:11:25PM -0800, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:
> 
> 
> > > There _has_ to be a question when installing asking the
> > > user if he/she pays for bandwidth (esp outgoing) and set the configuration in
> > > Freenet accordingly - bad press resulting from Joe Doe installing Freenet and
> > > getting $1000 bills (think NZ, OZ) isn't good.
> 
> > Hmm. Good idea. However, I'm not sure that you CAN run a freenet ndoe
> > with any reasonable performance if it's limited to 3GB/mo as is common
> > in oz. Technically, the solution is the average bandwidth limiter.
> > However this is not known to work well (it is pretty much untested since
> > NIO), mostly because no developers have that sort of connection. Perhaps
> > we should put some effort in, but I'm not sure that it's proportionate
> > as users with such connections won't get much out of or contribute much
> > to Freenet. Yes, it might be useful for the occasional content author,
> > so it IS worth thinking about; it's just that they'll be put off by the
> > dire performance implied.
> 
> But I'm not a developer and I do need to keep a leash on the bandwidth my
> node produces.  I've set it to 24576 in/24576 out  so hopefully overall I
> won't be leaching more than 48KiB/sec.  I share a network with a friend
> who pays the bill (has a 50G/month limit) and I'd like to have a present,
> but, limited network bandwidth profile.  He was really leary of letting me
> run a freenet node and he's all but banned kazaa and other related progs
> from being used by his roommates.

Does it stick to the input limit? Also, the output limit is a little
advisory - the node should very rarely use more than 40-50% over the
limit, but it may use over 100% for longish periods. However it should
average out because of rate limiting. Anyway, we know that the bandwidth
limiters, especially the output bandwidth limiters, are vital for
freenet to be widely adopted, that is why we have put so much effort
into them. The point I was making was that many users have far more
restrictive limits than the above - 3GB/mo works out to 1.2kB/sec!
50GB/mo works out to 20kB/sec... I suspect you may have problems with
the above...
> 
> > > Better portals. People _don't_ want links to child pornography (no, I don't want
> > > a discussion, flamefest etc, I'm talking the general public who want to USE
> > > Freenet) to be the first thing they see. Instead the top portal should contain
> > > links like the Diebold one, the Scientology Bible etc. Advertise the fact that
> > > Freedom of Speach is the central issue.
> 
> This doesn't sound like such a bad idea.  I'm sure persons delivering the
> really disgusting content have other channels for disseminator their keys.
> But I think freenet itself handles this problem.  The very fact I'm
> getting DNF's is testment to the fact the freenet is very efficient (maybe
> a little too so) at weeding out stuff not accessed much like child
> pornagraphy with more active datastore things like stuff being censored by
> the DMCA and stuff (becuase that's a very hot topic right now).
> 
> Freenet pretty much handles the child pornography on its own due to the
> way infrequently used data is preempted for newer data; and likely to
> require a lot of work of its maintainer (frequent inserts becuase it will
> degrade in the network rapidly becuase IMHO not a lot of people wish too
> see that material so they never request it - even more so because these
> are images and possibly even likely to be splitfiles - makes the
> maintenance to make the material accessible without the infamous DNF a lot
> of work for the maintainer of such sites).

Interesting perspective. I hope you are right.
> 
> On the other hand the file degradation feature tends to be bad for trendy
> things.  Where the first month a resource is placed into the network (oh
> an example I like, such as an anime fansub) and then it idles and erodes
> away.  It frustrates the heck out of me becuase the freesite that links to
> one video I'd like to see is *still* there but the 700M video DNFs all
> over the place (it's a splitfile) while trying to fetch it.
> 
> > Somebody want to maintain a freesite that links to controversial
> > material but doesn't link to illegal material? A lot of it is a matter
> > of judgement and personal ethics - Thought Crime links to Mein Kampf and
> > an article on bestiality as well as a lot of overtly political stuff.
> > Anyway, YoYo's Controversy section is a good start.
> 
> My thought on the "home" freesite links is that a good starter freesite
> should appeal to the majority of people and have the darker side of the
> freenet not bluntly proclaimed on the first page the freenet user sees.
> Splitting adult content away from general content/freenet/freedom links
> (ie having a single link to a separate freesite index for adult material
> may be a start in the right direction).  This will at least make the first
> contact palatable for *anyone* enterin

Re: [freenet-support] This error is showing up in my logs a LOT

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 12:13:58PM -0800, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Toad wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:46:55 +0000
> > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Christopher Brian Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] This error is showing up in my logs a LOT
> >
> > I'd guess it was a problem with the OS, or the JVM. You can however work
> > around it by setting ipAddress= and ipDetectorInterval=0
> > in the config file (remove any preceding %'s or #'s first), and of
> > course restarting the node.
> 
> The automatic config update checker won't catch this change?

I doubt it.
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Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:09:09PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> Please provide reference to a good glossary.
> >
> > I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum
> > precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an
> > untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely.
> 
> Is sandbox just Linux term or does it have broader application?

It basically means a sort of virtual computer within the computer, the
idea being to limit the damage that can be done by untrusted code. An
example would be, if you download some software that might be useful but
you don't know whether it is safe, you might run it on a spare PC that
isn't connected to the others and doesn't do anything else. A sandbox
does the same thing but in software: you can run untrusted code, in a
box, where it can't inflict too much harm on the rest of the system.
User Mode Linux is a popular way to do this on linux, and is used for
some hosting systems. On Windows... VMWare would be an option, perhaps.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:16:17AM +0100, Michael Schierl wrote:
> Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I get many of these (using FIW 0.08):
> >
> > #11 02 ***RouteNF *removed* (Chunk 6) [42/42/42]
> >
> > they can't be right as I only have 50 nodes in my routing table and a max
> > connections number of 100.
> 
> Hehe. That 42/42/42 (do you know Douglas Adam's "Hitchhiker's guide to
> the galaxy"?) is just a code for "bad things happend" as any other
> combination of at least twice 42.
> 
> In that case it means that an insert returned a DNF message which is
> invalid according to the spec and thus treated as a RNF. (RFC1122
> Robustness principle). Toad told me that he had fixed that but most
> likely he hasn't...
> 
> > I also get quite some of these:
> >
> > java.io.IOException: Premature end of stream
> > at fiw.fcp.FCPMessage.readMessage(FCPMessage.java:34)
> > at fiw.fcp.FCPConn.insertStream(FCPConn.java:263)
> 
> Hmm. Why does fred close his connections prematurely? It's not because
> you are restarting fred?

I don't think it does. It's probably a socket timeout on FIW's end.
> 
> > It also complains very often that it can't fetch an inserted chunk, while I
> > can fetch it without a problem through fproxy. This leads to continous insert
> > retries whitout FIW inserting the mapfile.
> 
> set the "default priority" in advanced settings so that the mapfile is
> inserted "first". This should speed your insert up somehow. Then you
> can disable to "ignore local datastore". This will make your insert
> much faster, but much less reliable as well. I don't know what FUQID
> is doing, but if it does similar things, I understand that insert is
> faster.
> 
> Greets mihi
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Re: [freenet-support] Build 5073 : RouteNotFound Fetching (running) freenet.exe ???

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On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 06:36:09PM +0200, notmyrealemail wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Build 5073 seems to connect very poorly and the log is filled with 
> this kind of messages :
> 
> 16:25:39  RouteNotFound Fetching (running)
> freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],Zt29QUMcl6ozbq4MqdSOhQ as
> freenet.exe for DistributionServlet   -
> 16:25:59  RouteNotFound Fetching (running)
> freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mDUG92va0G8-DOMEVStbPg as
> NodeConfig.exe for DistributionServlet-
> 16:25:59  RouteNotFound Fetching (running)
> freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],plfo5EJ1SVj~vMHYw2PiSQ as
> freenet-webinstall.exe for DistributionServlet-
> 16:25:59  RouteNotFound Fetching (running)
> freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],Zt29QUMcl6ozbq4MqdSOhQ as
> freenet.exe for DistributionServlet   -
> 16:26:39  RouteNotFound Fetching (running)
> freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],plfo5EJ1SVj~vMHYw2PiSQ as
> freenet-webinstall.exe for DistributionServlet-
> 16:26:39  RouteNotFound Fetching (running)
> freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mDUG92va0G8-DOMEVStbPg as
> NodeConfig.exe for DistributionServlet-
> 16:27:08  Fetched file freenet.exe
> 
> Why is my Linux node fetching .exe programs? And why the connectivity 
> is so poor? I have only one peer node???

So it can give them to windows users. We download all the components,
regardless of operating system, so that we can generate the distribution
ZIP (see the Spread Freenet link on the web interface).
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Re: [freenet-support] Just Getting Started

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:04:29AM +, Toad wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:37:34PM -0800, Galen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think I have a relatively decent idea of how freenet works. And if I 
> > had a nice broadband connection I could dedicate to freenet, I'd be 
> > delighted and I don't think I'd have problems. But for now, my results 
> > with freenet have been, to say the least, lackluster. I am currently on 
> > dialup internet and using transient mode. Any suggestions on how to 
> > make things actually work? I want to just explore and load a few pieces 
> > of content...
> > 
> > I'm running Mac OS X and don't seem to have problems loading up freenet 
> > and whatnot, it's just actually getting it to load content that's 
> > basically impossible. I'm more than reasonably terminal-comfortable.
> > 
> > And yeah, I know I seriously need broadband. Qwest just brought DSL to 
> > my neighborhood and I'll probably sign up pretty soon here, but for 
> > now, dialup is where I'm at. Really, if people are trying to use 
> > freenet to get sensitive information (the stuff governments want to 
> > censor), it's very possible they'll be on dialup also, so I don't think 
> > there's quite zero use for dialup, you know...
> 
> It's a matter of what is possible. If dialup is what you have, unless
> the network is working VERY well, your node will not work well.

Having said that, some of the major freesites were inserted for years
from a modem...
> > 
> > -Galen
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Re: [freenet-support] This error is showing up in my logs a LOT

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I'd guess it was a problem with the OS, or the JVM. You can however work
around it by setting ipAddress= and ipDetectorInterval=0
in the config file (remove any preceding %'s or #'s first), and of
course restarting the node.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:49:20PM -0800, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:
> 
> How can I fix this error that's showing up in my logs very repetitively:
> 
> Mar 10, 2004 2:33:00 AM (freenet.node.IPAddressDetector, QThread-89,
> ERROR): SocketException t$
> java.net.SocketException: Bad address
> at java.net.NetworkInterface.getAll(Native Method)
> at
> java.net.NetworkInterface.getNetworkInterfaces(NetworkInterface.java:204)
> at
> freenet.node.IPAddressDetector.checkpoint(IPAddressDetector.java:95)
> at
> freenet.node.IPAddressDetector.checkpoint(IPAddressDetector.java:82)
> at
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.checkpoint(Checkpoint.java:56)
> at
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.received(Checkpoint.java:49)
> at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:168)
> at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:55)
> at
> freenet.node.StandardMessageHandler$Ticket.run(StandardMessageHandler.java:210)
> at
> freenet.node.StandardMessageHandler$Ticket.received(StandardMessageHandler.java:157)
> at
> freenet.node.StandardMessageHandler$Ticket.access$0(StandardMessageHandler.java)
> at
> freenet.node.StandardMessageHandler.handle(StandardMessageHandler.java:67)
> at freenet.Ticker$Event.run(Ticker.java:256)
> at
> freenet.thread.QThreadFactory$QThread.run(QThreadFactory.java:214)
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:37:33PM -0500, vinyl1 wrote:
> I have a similar machine with Win2K and dialup, and can't get anywhere.
> 
> I'm not surprised that I can't retrieve much freesite content, although
> surprisingly I can get a fair number of Frost messages.
> 
> What baffled me is that I was unable to insert a small (1.9 meg) file with
> FUQID.  After configuring so that FUQID connects to my client port
> correctly, it goes ahead and opens ten threads, but all the insert attempts
> with them fail and they keep retrying and failing again.  I used to be able
> to insert easily, and I have retrieved 30 meg files running overnight.

This is odd... maybe a timeout in FUQID?
> 
> I'll try with some new seed nodes.  The obvious thing to do is get a more
> modern machine and broadband.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aman Pervaiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville
> 
> 
> > Yup you are right. Freenet is working better than ever right now.
> > I have a poor 56k connection. I run a transient node on a machine
> > of 650Mhz and windows xp...stable and unstable both fred versions.
> > I am downloading files all the time. For example I downloaded two 14GB
> > files that were inserted months ago successfully and very fastjust in
> a couple
> > of  hours. Most of the free-sites are accesible. Unstable works better
> than
> > stable though. But yup freenet is evolving and growing. Cheers to Toad,
> Ian and
> > the rest of the team. Hope I could get broadband and contribute one day :)
> > Aryan
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joe Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wed 3/10/2004 6:57 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville
> >
> >
> >
> > Toad writes:
> >
> > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> > >> My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the
> last
> > >> stable builds have been really good already ..
> > >
> > > They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
> > > unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
> >
> > With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone
> away
> > (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage collect due
> > to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems it's been
> > worked around) and I'm able to fetch information fairly easily. Sure, it's
> > not like surfing the web, but right now freenet is better than it's ever
> > been.
> >
> > You're only ever going to hear complaints because the happy people don't
> > need support. :)
> >
> > For reference, what I did to make Freenet work well:
> > - Blow away my old freenet configuration (from the last slashdotting era);
> > - Re-seed with the stable seeds;
> > - Forward the correct port on my Linksys router;
> > - Use cjb.net for IP forwarding;
> > - Increase RAM allowance for the jvm to 256 MB (-Xmx256m in
> > start-freenet.sh);
> > - Increase store size to 4 GB.
> >
> > Most of this is standard configuration. The only reason I increased my
> store
> > size is because I wanted to contribute more to the network.
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Re: [freenet-support] Periodically restarting the node...

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:49:46PM +0100, Krist van Besien wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> As on my system my node reliably goes haywire after about 6 to eight 
> hours I need to restart it periodically. I'm just wondering what the 
> effect is on how well my node is integrated in the network.

What happens exactly? That sounds like a bug. What build are you
running?
> 
> I read on the list that a node needs to be online for a while until it 
> will have gathered enough info about neighbouring nodes to server 
> content with any rate of success.
> 
> So what will teh effect be if I restart my node every six hours?
> 
> Krist
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Re: [freenet-support] Usability improvement ideas

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On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:18:10PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > So, this email is an invitation to anyone that has constructive 
> > criticism or suggestion's for how Freenet's "first impression" can be 
> > enhanced.  Topics include installation, FProxy, even the website's layout.
> 
> freenet:// handled by Opera, Firebird etc. If Freenet isn't installed, a 
> redirection to http://freenet.sf.net where the download links are more 
> prominently displayed. 

There's a nice flamewar :).

> There _has_ to be a question when installing asking the 
> user if he/she pays for bandwidth (esp outgoing) and set the configuration in 
> Freenet accordingly - bad press resulting from Joe Doe installing Freenet and 
> getting $1000 bills (think NZ, OZ) isn't good.

Hmm. Good idea. However, I'm not sure that you CAN run a freenet ndoe
with any reasonable performance if it's limited to 3GB/mo as is common
in oz. Technically, the solution is the average bandwidth limiter.
However this is not known to work well (it is pretty much untested since
NIO), mostly because no developers have that sort of connection. Perhaps
we should put some effort in, but I'm not sure that it's proportionate
as users with such connections won't get much out of or contribute much
to Freenet. Yes, it might be useful for the occasional content author,
so it IS worth thinking about; it's just that they'll be put off by the
dire performance implied.

> 
> More "advertising". Atm Diebold are shutting down sites hosting their memos 
> using the DMCA. Educate the world to the fact that Freenet can be used for the 
> "public good" - the memos are already available in Freenet.

The NY Times article did a lot of that for us :).
> 
> Better portals. People _don't_ want links to child pornography (no, I don't want 
> a discussion, flamefest etc, I'm talking the general public who want to USE 
> Freenet) to be the first thing they see. Instead the top portal should contain 
> links like the Diebold one, the Scientology Bible etc. Advertise the fact that 
> Freedom of Speach is the central issue.

Somebody want to maintain a freesite that links to controversial
material but doesn't link to illegal material? A lot of it is a matter
of judgement and personal ethics - Thought Crime links to Mein Kampf and
an article on bestiality as well as a lot of overtly political stuff.
Anyway, YoYo's Controversy section is a good start.
> 
> I just wrote a comment to an article in Sweden's largest IT-newssite where I 
> brought this up (regarding the Swedish military wanting to tap regular users' 
> Internet-connections). This is where we need to push Freenet.
> 
> (http://www.idg.se/ArticlePages/200310/31/20031031135522_SOS/20031031135522_SOS.
> dbp.asp for the ones who can read Swedish)
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Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet

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Unfortunately crawling freenet via HTTP will have the main effect of
DoSing your freenet node, because every web download takes up a thread,
and we therefore limit parallel HTTP downloads to 24-36. Ideally you'd
want a real FCP spider; there must be one out there somewhere.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:58:54PM +1300, David McNab wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:11, tripolar wrote:
> > Hello all
> > 
> > I need a program to crawl links in freenet to get sites in cache before 
> > I need them. I get frustrated with the speed of freenet and dead links. 
> > I have used freenet on windows & linux and just installed freenet last 
> > night on this winbox. I spent hours clicking on links just trying to 
> > pull them in.
> > Anything I can do other than manually clicking on all links?
> 
> A winbox, eh?
> 
> Well, there are dozens of freeware and shareware (crack available)
> windoze programs to recursively download websites. Sites like
> www.tucows.com, www.nonags.com, www.shareware.com etc list them by the
> score.
> 
> You might need to try a few until you hit on one which doesn't molest
> the '//' in freenet URIs.
> 
> Once you choose a site downloader program, you'd need to point it at:
> - http://localhost:/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/TFE//
> - http://localhost:/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//
> or, point it at whatever site(s) you need, observing the above URL
> syntax. Be sure to disable the timeout (or extend it to an hour or so),
> because these crawler progs are used to web performance.
> 
> One last thing - these crawler progs won't be able to tell one freesite
> from another, since it will perceive all freesites as part of the same
> 'site' at http://localhost:/. So take care to set a pattern match
> requirement (unless you want the crawler to suck the whole freenet).
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: How to (REALLY) get on the NEW unstable branch

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On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 11:26:18PM -0500, Keith Botelho wrote:
> you could get the latest build which is 6281.  

Uhmm, no, the latest build is 60,003 :)

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Stone Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:51 PM
> Subject: [freenet-support] Re: How to (REALLY) get on the NEW unstable branch
> 
> 
> > Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> > > Do I have this correct now?
> > > 
> > > If one is a window user and has been using 5028; found things weren't
> > > working normally and made a reinstall; that one really has little
> > > likelihood of getting things to work again unless one is a geek?
> > no
> > 
> > > 
> > > Should I just remove all of the freenet system I have and wait for someone
> > > to send us a message that we can now get started again without reading tons
> > > of stuff we don't understand and trying to guess what goes between the few
> > > snip-its that we suspect we may understand?
> > no
> > 
> > > 
> > > Could someone that is knowledgeable send an email via support to all the
> > > lost souls when the system
> > > finally has a form that a novice could use if they first went to
> > > freenetproject.org and tried following a simple non-user cookbook recipe?
> > > 
> > > Please say check an appropriate choice:
> > > 
> > > _  Yes
> > check
> > 
> > > 
> > > _  No, we don't have time nor need anyone running a node that has not
> > > been invited to the  inter sanctum.
> > 
> > So anyway, i dunno... Is there something you didn't understand about my 
> > post?  I thought I very nicely gave all the info you needed to get up 
> > and running on the new system.
> > 
> > If you want to remain with stable (your choice, really), then it should 
> > "work".  The only geeky thing you *might* have to do is "re-seed".  If 
> > you've recently (within the past 4 days?) installed freenet, 
> > re-installed freenet, or downloaded seednodes.ref, then there's a good 
> > chance you have a bad seednodes.ref, and you need to re-download it from 
> > freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.
> > 
> > That's not too hard is it?  Let me know if you have a specific question.
> > 
> > -Martin
> > 
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Re: [freenet-support] How to (REALLY) get on the NEW unstable branch

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If you run behind a firewall, you are expected to be a power user. If
you run on dialup, you are expected not to get very far. Apart from
that, it ought to work, at least sometimes, even on the default stable
network, according to recent support reports.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 09:10:24PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> Do I have this correct now?
> 
> If one is a window user and has been using 5028; found things weren't
> working normally and made a reinstall; that one really has little
> likelihood of getting things to work again unless one is a geek?
> 
> Should I just remove all of the freenet system I have and wait for someone
> to send us a message that we can now get started again without reading tons
> of stuff we don't understand and trying to guess what goes between the few
> snip-its that we suspect we may understand?
> 
> Could someone that is knowledgeable send an email via support to all the
> lost souls when the system
> finally has a form that a novice could use if they first went to
> freenetproject.org and tried following a simple non-user cookbook recipe?
> 
> Please say check an appropriate choice:
> 
> _  Yes
> 
> _  No, we don't have time nor need anyone running a node that has not
> been invited to the  inter sanctum.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 12:59:46AM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
> 
> Would you possibly agree with this, "There is no known way to meaningfully
> evaluate the performance of freenet?"

No. There are several ways to evaluate it. My favourite is "push/pull
tests". Insert a file on one node, and fetch it from another unrelated
node. How long does it take? How many retries? Etc. That is one
performance measure. Another one is "does streaming work?". Nobody has
been crazy enough to try recently to the best of my knowledge :).
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Conrad Sabatier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: vinyl1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 3/9/2004 7:28:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings
> >
> >
> > On 09-Mar-2004 vinyl1 wrote:
> > > OK, I have the latest build (5074), the latest seed nodes, the latest
> > > everything I could find as of today, 3/8/2004
> > > 
> > > On the Web interface, I can't load The Freedom Engine, Dolphin's Free
> Index,
> > > and Content of Evil.  I can load the Freenet Help Index and YoYo.  This
> is
> > > possibly due to unreachable, out-of-date nodes.  The stuff that does
> load
> > > seems to work better than before.
> >
> > Basing your evaluation of your node's performance on what's appearing
> and/or
> > reachable via the main web interface is not a good idea.  Most of the
> gateway
> > sites have been horribly unreliable for quite some time now (with the
> exception
> > of DFI).  I really don't know why this is the case; I've had no trouble
> at all
> > inserting DFI daily.  To ensure that the next DBR update is inserted in
> time, I
> > always start the update process (an automated, scheduled job) at least 1
> 1/2
> > hours prior to the rollover time (12:00 am GMT).  I'm wondering if other
> > gateway site maintainers are not allowing enough time in advance for their
> > inserts to complete on time.
> >
> > DFI's insert got a little screwed up yesterday, due to the fact that I
> was in
> > the process of running a portupgrade of my JDK under FreeBSD.  Probably
> due to
> > the additional load on the system from running the build, FIW somehow
> ended up
> > inserting DFI one day further into the future than it was supposed to.  I
> didn't
> > discover this and finally get the problem corrected until about 8:30 pm
> CST
> > (2:30 am GMT).
> >
> > I saw someone else here basing assumptions about their node's behavior on
> the
> > fact that they couldn't reach YoYo!  Unfortunately, Yoyo! is one of the
> more
> > unreliable sites lately (no idea why).
> >
> > Anyway, the gist of the idea is this: don't assume that non-functioning
> gateway
> > sites mean your node is not working.
> >
> > -- 
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 05:28:10PM +, Toad wrote:
> Is your dialup connection unmetered? If so, you may be able to run a
> permanent node. Even if you can't, I suggest you run Frost (with a
> smallish number of threads perhaps), it is good at generating traffic,
> to help the node learn about the network. In a few days, the node may
> learn enough to get around the network.

That was aimed at the person who was having problems on dialup.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:50:08PM +0500, Aman Pervaiz wrote:
> > Yup you are right. Freenet is working better than ever right now.
> > I have a poor 56k connection. I run a transient node on a machine 
> > of 650Mhz and windows xp...stable and unstable both fred versions.
> > I am downloading files all the time. For example I downloaded two 14GB
> > files that were inserted months ago successfully and very fastjust in a couple
> > of  hours. Most of the free-sites are accesible. Unstable works better than
> > stable though. But yup freenet is evolving and growing. Cheers to Toad, Ian and
> > the rest of the team. Hope I could get broadband and contribute one day :)
> > Aryan
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Joe Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wed 3/10/2004 6:57 PM 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Cc: 
> > Subject: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Toad writes:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> > >> My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the last 
> > >> stable builds have been really good already ..
> > >
> > > They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
> > > unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
> > 
> > With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone away
> > (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage collect due
> > to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems it's been
> > worked around) and I'm able to fetch information fairly easily. Sure, it's
> > not like surfing the web, but right now freenet is better than it's ever
> > been.
> > 
> > You're only ever going to hear complaints because the happy people don't
> > need support. :)
> > 
> > For reference, what I did to make Freenet work well:
> >  - Blow away my old freenet configuration (from the last slashdotting era);
> >  - Re-seed with the stable seeds;
> >  - Forward the correct port on my Linksys router;
> >  - Use cjb.net for IP forwarding;
> >  - Increase RAM allowance for the jvm to 256 MB (-Xmx256m in
> > start-freenet.sh);
> >  - Increase store size to 4 GB.
> > 
> > Most of this is standard configuration. The only reason I increased my store
> > size is because I wanted to contribute more to the network.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:50:08PM +0500, Aman Pervaiz wrote:
> Yup you are right. Freenet is working better than ever right now.
> I have a poor 56k connection. I run a transient node on a machine 
> of 650Mhz and windows xp...stable and unstable both fred versions.
> I am downloading files all the time. For example I downloaded two 14GB
> files that were inserted months ago successfully and very fastjust in a couple

Uhm, do you mean 14MB?

> of  hours. Most of the free-sites are accesible. Unstable works better than
> stable though. But yup freenet is evolving and growing. Cheers to Toad, Ian and
> the rest of the team. Hope I could get broadband and contribute one day :)
> Aryan
> 
>   -Original Message- 
>   From: Joe Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Wed 3/10/2004 6:57 PM 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Cc: 
>   Subject: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville
>   
>   
> 
>   Toad writes:
>   
>   > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
>   >> My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the last 
>   >> stable builds have been really good already ..
>   >
>   > They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
>   > unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
>   
>   With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone away
>   (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage collect due
>   to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems it's been
>   worked around) and I'm able to fetch information fairly easily. Sure, it's
>   not like surfing the web, but right now freenet is better than it's ever
>   been.
>   
>   You're only ever going to hear complaints because the happy people don't
>   need support. :)
>   
>   For reference, what I did to make Freenet work well:
>- Blow away my old freenet configuration (from the last slashdotting era);
>- Re-seed with the stable seeds;
>- Forward the correct port on my Linksys router;
>- Use cjb.net for IP forwarding;
>- Increase RAM allowance for the jvm to 256 MB (-Xmx256m in
>   start-freenet.sh);
>- Increase store size to 4 GB.
>   
>   Most of this is standard configuration. The only reason I increased my store
>   size is because I wanted to contribute more to the network.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

[Toad]

Is your dialup connection unmetered? If so, you may be able to run a
permanent node. Even if you can't, I suggest you run Frost (with a
smallish number of threads perhaps), it is good at generating traffic,
to help the node learn about the network. In a few days, the node may
learn enough to get around the network.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:50:08PM +0500, Aman Pervaiz wrote:
> Yup you are right. Freenet is working better than ever right now.
> I have a poor 56k connection. I run a transient node on a machine 
> of 650Mhz and windows xp...stable and unstable both fred versions.
> I am downloading files all the time. For example I downloaded two 14GB
> files that were inserted months ago successfully and very fastjust in a couple
> of  hours. Most of the free-sites are accesible. Unstable works better than
> stable though. But yup freenet is evolving and growing. Cheers to Toad, Ian and
> the rest of the team. Hope I could get broadband and contribute one day :)
> Aryan
> 
>   -Original Message- 
>   From: Joe Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Wed 3/10/2004 6:57 PM 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Cc: 
>   Subject: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville
>   
>   
> 
>   Toad writes:
>   
>   > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
>   >> My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the last 
>   >> stable builds have been really good already ..
>   >
>   > They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
>   > unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
>   
>   With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone away
>   (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage collect due
>   to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems it's been
>   worked around) and I'm able to fetch information fairly easily. Sure, it's
>   not like surfing the web, but right now freenet is better than it's ever
>   been.
>   
>   You're only ever going to hear complaints because the happy people don't
>   need support. :)
>   
>   For reference, what I did to make Freenet work well:
>- Blow away my old freenet configuration (from the last slashdotting era);
>- Re-seed with the stable seeds;
>- Forward the correct port on my Linksys router;
>- Use cjb.net for IP forwarding;
>- Increase RAM allowance for the jvm to 256 MB (-Xmx256m in
>   start-freenet.sh);
>- Increase store size to 4 GB.
>   
>   Most of this is standard configuration. The only reason I increased my store
>   size is because I wanted to contribute more to the network.
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Re: [freenet-support] update.sh always overwrites seednodes.ref

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 03:41:02PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 13:32, Toad wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The routing table will not be overwritten unless either:
> > a) The seednodes.ref is more recent than the routing table OR
> > b) The routing table is trashed, for example because all the nodes in it
> > are incompatible with the current code after a network reset.
> 
> In the a) case, the RT is fully overwritten or appended ?

Random nodes are picked from the seednodes and added to the RT until we
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:31:37AM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> Toad writes: 
> 
> >On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:57:55AM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> >>With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone 
> >>away (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage 
> >>collect due to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems 
> >>it's been worked around)
> >
> >Actually it's a bug in the node... we were leaking memory quite heavily.
> 
> I guess it's debatable whether that's a bug in the jvm or not. Oh well, 
> that's neither here nor there; it's fixed now! :) 

It's a matter of fact that there was a significant space leak in Fred.
> 
> In another message, Toad writes:
> >You don't get a lot of RNFs?
> 
> I get them, but not on every page load. It happens when traffic is high, 
> unsurprisingly; I see it fairly often at about 10pm EST, but almost never 
> (recently, anyways) in the morning, like right now. They come up at least 
> as often as Data not Found in my experience.

Interesting...
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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You don't get lots of RNFs?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:57:55AM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> Toad writes: 
> 
> >On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> >>My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the last  
> >>stable builds have been really good already ..
> >
> >They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
> >unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
> 
> With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone 
> away (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage collect 
> due to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems it's been 
> worked around) and I'm able to fetch information fairly easily. Sure, it's 
> not like surfing the web, but right now freenet is better than it's ever 
> been. 
> 
> You're only ever going to hear complaints because the happy people don't 
> need support. :) 
> 
> For reference, what I did to make Freenet work well:
> - Blow away my old freenet configuration (from the last slashdotting era);
> - Re-seed with the stable seeds;
> - Forward the correct port on my Linksys router;
> - Use cjb.net for IP forwarding;
> - Increase RAM allowance for the jvm to 256 MB (-Xmx256m in 
> start-freenet.sh);
> - Increase store size to 4 GB. 
> 
> Most of this is standard configuration. The only reason I increased my 
> store size is because I wanted to contribute more to the network.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:57:55AM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> Toad writes: 
> 
> >On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> >>My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the last  
> >>stable builds have been really good already ..
> >
> >They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
> >unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
> 
> With the the latest stable builds, my "java hanging" problems have gone 
> away (I figure that they were in an infinite loop trying to garbage collect 
> due to the leaks; it's a bug in the jvm, certainly, but it seems it's been 
> worked around) and I'm able to fetch information fairly easily. Sure, it's 
> not like surfing the web, but right now freenet is better than it's ever 
> been. 

Actually it's a bug in the node... we were leaking memory quite heavily.
> 
> You're only ever going to hear complaints because the happy people don't 
> need support. :) 

:)

It would be nice if occasionally people said "5075 works much better
than 5074" as well as "5076 works much worse than 5075" :)
> 
> For reference, what I did to make Freenet work well:
> - Blow away my old freenet configuration (from the last slashdotting era);
> - Re-seed with the stable seeds;
> - Forward the correct port on my Linksys router;
> - Use cjb.net for IP forwarding;
> - Increase RAM allowance for the jvm to 256 MB (-Xmx256m in 
> start-freenet.sh);
> - Increase store size to 4 GB. 
> 
> Most of this is standard configuration. The only reason I increased my 
> store size is because I wanted to contribute more to the network.
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Re: [freenet-support] slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:21:19PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:37:34 +0000, Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >>4. The last 3 or 4+ builds have gotten slower and dumber.
> >
> >Why thank you for that informative, empirically backed and helpful bug
> >report.
> 
> My experience is the opposite of his, but I guess you know that the last  
> stable builds have been really good already ..

They have? In what sense? All I hear are complaints... and I usually run
unstable, because it's what gets hacked on mostly...
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] slowdom in freeville

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 04:02:35AM -0800, miguel wrote:
> duh, guys, I'm a newbie +- so I can only make observations so here:
> (note: order does not indicate weight nor priority)
> 1. Get a female to work on this thing.
> 2. At least run permanent node.
> 3. DSL ain't no faster when it hits the freenet bogs.

DSL has a chance of running a permanent node. Dialup doesn't, unless
it's unmetered dialup, and even then it's not going to get many requests
once the connected nodes realize it's dialup.

> 4. The last 3 or 4+ builds have gotten slower and dumber.

Why thank you for that informative, empirically backed and helpful bug
report.

> 5. The updates and re-seeds seem to be distancing us from the majority
> of the  data-holding nodes out there that are not updating often enough
> (or not updating at all)

Updates and reseeds?

> 6. As per performance: Your OS shouldn't matter(though the "L" is king
> (-;), your cpu and ram will virtually max-out to whatever you've got
> available, and then some, 

The major memory leaks were fixed. If it is still leaking in the current
stable build, that is a bug, please report it.

> and pulling your pants down off firewall just
> means people will get offended at such a sight but it won't help your
> node. And store size? Don't make no difference either.

That's not what I've heard from others.

> 7.The java threads are inconstant. I now have to restart several 
> times a day and after killing all threads the restart can spawn 
> anywhere from 1 to 20+ threads depending on the random seed of the
> moment.

20+?! 20 is NOTHING! The default thread limit is 120.

> 8.I'd say if all data were stored and retained by freenet from one
> build to the next the performance would be outstanding(compared to 
> now)and, programmer dudes, put a tighter leash on that Java bulldog.

Uhm. Firstly, it's not possible for freenet to retain all data. The only
way to do it would be to refuse any new data inserts. Secondly, just
because it's there somewhere doesn't mean we can find it - that is the
hard part.
>  
> Because of recent performance declines I have been severely tempted 
> to drop freenet but I refuse because it'll be one of the last freedoms 
> that the fascists kill and I want to be there to watch it die.
> I offer my machine to run whatever service I can to make this thing 
> work better for all of us.  Any takers?
> 
> signed: Whatever(aka Whoever)
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Re: [freenet-support] update.sh always overwrites seednodes.ref

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:19:21PM +0100, Ruben Garcia wrote:
> In connection with what Ian said about the hierarchy of classes of 
> freenet nodes (those in seednodes.ref
> and the ones in these nodes routing tables, etc)
> I think seednodes.ref should not be overwritten unless there is a 
> network reset.
> 
> After some days uptime, the routing table adjusts to some differnent not 
> so overloaded nodes and the response of freenet is better.
> But on an update, this info is lost.
> 
> I'm going to remove the download of seednodes.ref from my update.sh, 
> might be a good idea to do it in the original script, and have another 
> script for the case of a network reset.
> Anyway, the releases indicate whether a network reset is needed.

That's why we have the line:
touch -t "197001011200" seednodes.ref || touch -d "1/1/1970" seednodes.ref
# so we don't reseed unless necessary

The routing table will not be overwritten unless either:
a) The seednodes.ref is more recent than the routing table OR
b) The routing table is trashed, for example because all the nodes in it
are incompatible with the current code after a network reset.
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Re: [freenet-support] Data transfer problem

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:34:07PM +0100, no_dammagE wrote:
> Hi, support team!
> First of all, I would like to thank the whole freenet team for developing Fred. I 
> wish you good luck in the further development :)
> 
> Now to the problem: 
> 
> I have two computers - one with WinXP (old, needs a reinstall) and an another with 
> fresh win98. Both have the same JRE version.
> After the major freenet upgrade when the handshake protocol has been changed (2 
> months ago?) i noticed that i can't retrieve any data on the winxp machine anymore 
> while the win98 system has no problems.
> 
> Of course, I upgraded and reseeded, but that brought nothing. Also a full reinstall 
> (i didnt touch the registry) didnt do anything. Since that moment i have this 
> problem.

There was a temporary problem with the stable seednodes. Please try
again. You can alternatively seed one node from the other. Fetch
http://127.0.0.1:7888/servlet/nodestatus/noderefs.txt?minCP=0.0&minConnections=1

from the working node, and save it as seednodes.ref, and use that to
reseed the non-working node.
> 
> The interesting thing is: both computers are connected via the same router (ALLNet 
> router) to the internet and use a DSL connection.
> 
> While the Win98 machine has no problems retrieving data in transient and permanent 
> modes, the winXP machine is only able to get the GPL - and that one only after long 
> time.
> 
> The machine is active/incoming connections possible - in DMZ Mode and Freenet ports 
> as virtual server entered ... for port forwarding ... although freenet worked 
> permanent before the upgrade without any such tweaks.

So not only can it receive connections, it also knows what it's IP
address is? You set the ipAddress in the config file? Or it can
autodetect it because it's not being NATted?
> 
> While running a node i get mass exceptions similar to this:
> 
> 11.03.2003 23:21:18 (freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream, YThread-28, NORMAL): waited 
> more than 5 minutes in NIOIS.read() tcp/connection: 3036>24.237.6.66:18765,[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] closing
> java.lang.Exception: debug
> 
>  at freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream.read(NIOInputStream.java:293)
> 
>  at java.io.FilterInputStream.read(Unknown Source)
> 
>  at freenet.session.FnpLink.negotiateOutbound(FnpLink.java:750)
> 
>  at freenet.session.FnpLink.solicit(FnpLink.java:240)
> 
>  at freenet.session.FnpLinkManager.createOutgoing(FnpLinkManager.java:109)
> 
>  at freenet.OpenConnectionManager$ConnectionJob.run(OpenConnectionManager.java:813)
> 
>  at freenet.OpenConnectionManager.createConnection(OpenConnectionManager.java:431)
> 
>  at freenet.node.ConnectionOpener.checkpoint(ConnectionOpener.java:215)
> 
>  at freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.checkpoint(Checkpoint.java:54)
> 
>  at freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.received(Checkpoint.java:47)
> 
>  at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:177)
> 
>  at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:61)
> 
>  at 
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.run(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:322)
> 
>  at 
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.received(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:278)
> 
>  at 
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.access$100(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:203)
> 
>  at 
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler.handle(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:95)
> 
>  at freenet.Ticker$Event.run(Ticker.java:322)
> 
>  at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:250)

It happens :(. It seems to be caused by message send timeouts on certain
nodes. There are some plans to try to reduce this.
> 
> and 
> 
> 11.03.2003 23:21:19 (freenet.MuxTrailerReadManager, Network reading thread, NORMAL): 
> Unrecognized trailer ID: 23213 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  
> c7ef 83e1 61ff 0360 d627),tcp/freenet.shatteredsilicon.net:18001, sessions=1, 
> presentations=3, ID=DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  c7ef 83e1 61ff 0360 d627), 
> version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5074): outbound attempts=1:1/2 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
> read: 0, init read: 1184908, authorized: 0, waiting: 0, max buffered: 65535, 
> readers: 0, chunks waiting: 0 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  
> c7ef 83e1 61ff 0360 d627),tcp/freenet.shatteredsilicon.net:18001, sessions=1, 
> presentations=3, ID=DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  c7ef 83e1 61ff 0360 d627), 
> version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5074): outbound attempts=1:1/2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
> id=23213, keyOffset=110592, length=4096, cb=null)
> 11.03.2003 23:21:19 (freenet.MuxTrailerReadManager, Network reading thread, NORMAL): 
> Unrecognized trailer ID: 23213 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  
> c7ef 83e1 61ff 0360 d627),tcp/freenet.shatteredsilicon.net:18001, sessions=1, 
> presentations=3, ID=DSA(cd91 38b2 767d b904 af2e  c7ef 83e1 61ff 0360 d627), 
> version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5074)

Re: [freenet-support] Query Rejecting

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 06:35:41PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:01:29 -0800 (PST), <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Running build 5063; anybody have any idea why my node is rejecting all
> >incoming requests?
> >
> >Current estimated load   100% [QueryRejecting all incoming requests!]
> 
> My guess is that most do.
> 
> Build 5063 worked extremely well here for about a day or so - I actually  
> got content that I haven't seen since half a year - content I thought had  
> fallen off the network. I was very surprised, to say the least.
> 
> Now, however, I cannot get anything really (not even TFE since 2 days).  
> RNF - and my node is also rejecting constantly. Maybe NGR only worked as  
> long as only a small number of people had upgraded, or something else is  
> slowing down the network dramatically?

Rate limiting has cured the "rejecting everything" problem. It has
unfortunately replaced rejects due to load with rejects due to RNFs. We
are working on it... :(
> 
> regards,
> Troed
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Re: [freenet-support] REF seeding

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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:54:59AM -0800, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:
> 
> will running the freenet node over extended periods of time increase the
> reliability of the cached seed nodes.  I seem to be in a very unstable
> part of the network and I can only seem to get like a 1% success rate on
> accesses.  The majority of attempt restart at some stage and other nodes
> just totally decline.

Running the freenet node over extended periods (24-48 hours for example)
should allow it to learn about the rest of the network and start to get
some success at retrieving content. However this will only happen if the
node is serving queries for the rest of the network. If for example it
is behind a NAT/firewall, it needs:
1. To forward the listenPort from the NAT.
2. To know its real external IP address.

If it does not have both of these it will not learn.
> 
> If just keeping the node running won't increase reliability is there
> another method or utility I can use to find more reliable 'uplink nodes'?
> 
> Or is there somethiing I can do in configuration to make things more
> tolerant and increases the chances of successfully retries data under
> specified keys?
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Re: [freenet-support] Just Getting Started

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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:37:34PM -0800, Galen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I think I have a relatively decent idea of how freenet works. And if I 
> had a nice broadband connection I could dedicate to freenet, I'd be 
> delighted and I don't think I'd have problems. But for now, my results 
> with freenet have been, to say the least, lackluster. I am currently on 
> dialup internet and using transient mode. Any suggestions on how to 
> make things actually work? I want to just explore and load a few pieces 
> of content...
> 
> I'm running Mac OS X and don't seem to have problems loading up freenet 
> and whatnot, it's just actually getting it to load content that's 
> basically impossible. I'm more than reasonably terminal-comfortable.
> 
> And yeah, I know I seriously need broadband. Qwest just brought DSL to 
> my neighborhood and I'll probably sign up pretty soon here, but for 
> now, dialup is where I'm at. Really, if people are trying to use 
> freenet to get sensitive information (the stuff governments want to 
> censor), it's very possible they'll be on dialup also, so I don't think 
> there's quite zero use for dialup, you know...

It's a matter of what is possible. If dialup is what you have, unless
the network is working VERY well, your node will not work well.
> 
> -Galen
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Re: [freenet-support] windows vs. linux.. bummer

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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:00:21AM -0800, Joe Blow wrote:
> I do have a NAT box, but the listen port is forwarded.
>  And, my pants are pulled down on the box I'm running
> freenet on (everything set to ACCEPT).  Besides I when
> I plugged the cable modem into the freenet box
> (bypassing the NAT machine), it was still slow as a
> dog.  I also connected my windows machine up to the
> NAT box to see if it would slow down, but it didn't
> seem to.  I also upgraded to the latest j2re package
> from sun, still the same.

Does it know what its external IP address is? If not, it will not work
very well i.e. it will not get external traffic and therefore will not
learn quickly (well, quicker) where things are.
> 
> The good news is that frost is finnally working, maybe
> not as fast as it would be on the windows machine. 
> The ONLY page I was able to get from the freenet proxy
> was the FMB page after a few days of running.  None of
> the other page's icons will even pop up.
> 
> Maybe there's a better java vm to use.  I don't know,
> I'm just taking stabs in the dark now.

It sounds like there's some config problem e.g. behind a NAT and does
not know its IP address.
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Re: [freenet-support] windows vs. linux.. bummer

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Firewall?

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:18:27AM -0800, Joe Blow wrote:
> Two systems:
> 1) Very fast linux box running suse 9.0 DSL connection 1.2Mbit.
> 2) Slower laptop running WinXP Cable modem < 1.0Mbit.
>  
> I set up freenet 5074 on my linux box a few days ago.  I have over 2.4Gb in my 
> store, but not even one icon on the front page will download yet.  I can't get to 
> any of the default links on the startup page.
>  
> Yesturday, I setup 5074 on my windows box, and it took off!  All the icons load, 
> YoYo will open up.  Freenet on a slower windows machine with a slower internet 
> connection is running better than my linux box!  What's the deal?
>  
> I even tried using the seednodes.ref file from my windows machine on the linux node, 
> and it still didn't help.  I setup my linux box off the cable modem connection to 
> see if that would help, but it didn't.  This is a major bummer, anyone else see this?
>  
> Another thing I don't like about the freenet setup on linux, is that the 
> freenet.conf file doesn't show all the options like it used to.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> 
> 
> -
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Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings

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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 06:31:05PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:22:31 +0000, Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >>{Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes (try 1), HTL=25
> >>[2004-03-08 22:15:17] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in  
> >>insert
> >>thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> >
> >This is strange. Why is FUQID trying to connect to the node on port
> >10061? It should try to connect on the FCP port, NOT THE FNP PORT. Check
> >your config file for clientPort=, usually 8481.
> 
> I read that as "socket error 10061" which is a fairly common error code  
> from sockets ;)
> 
> http://www.qksoft.com/qk-smtp-server/socket-error.html
> 
> It does mean FCP isn't listening though.

Is it making too many connections, resulting in the node shutting down
the FCP port? IIRC we only do that on the web interface port...
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet usability...

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Curious. What build are you running?

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:29:58PM +0100, Krist van Besien wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I used freenet a while a go. Until moving meant no broadband connection
> for a while. I now have broadband again, and a machine I can leave on
> all the time. So I looked into freenet again.
> 
> On my system freenet is not stable...
> 
> The setup:
> 
> - System is Linux Gentoo 1.4, 256 Mb Ram, Java is Sun JKD 1.4.2
> - Network is cable, 1000 kbs down. 200 kbs up...
> - Freenet version is 5074
> 
> After having started freenet it normally works for a while as I expect. 
> But after a few hours it goes haywire:
> 
> - Nr. of Java processes is normally around 50, and varies a bit. But 
> then it starts oscilating between around 50 and around 150. As in: 
> Suddenly 100 processes are spawned, they stay around a minute, then die. 
> After about five minutes this repeats.
> - CPU load, which is normally about 50% goes 100%
> - Node does not repsond to requests.
> - Network traffic almost stops.
> Lots of error messages in the log files, especially "minimum request 
> interval violated!". After restart I'm no longer seeing this error...
> 
> The only thing to do is restart. In order to keep my node usable I would
> have to do this about every couple of hours.
> 
> I run a process on my system that collects and graphs stats. I've got a 
> few nice graphs showing the nr. of Java processes on my system that show 
> how Freenet starts to wildly oscilate...
> 
> If it is OK I'll post the graphs to the list.
> 
> 
> Krist
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Windows maintainer needed was Re: [freenet-support] ditto on what "b" said!

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A lot of the problem actually is due to users running nodes with old
config files generated by the windows configurator, which forces all
settings (doesn't write %'s), so they run with old settings such as 50
node routing tables, which mean that the unix nodes run a lot better
than the windows ones, but even the unix nodes don't run well because
the network is stuffed with windows nodes with stupid configs. Ian
recently appealed for a maintainer for the windows config utilities... I
suppose I will have to do it if nobody comes forward, but if you can do
it, please contact him. The software in question is written in C. A
longer term solution would be to handle configuration in the node via
HTML, but *this will take considerable effort and time*.

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 10:33:43AM -0500, vinyl1 wrote:
> I would imagine that the problem is a lot of users running nodes with older, 
> incompatible releases.  If part of the content is only stored on such nodes, the 
> chance of a user with the new release being able to retrieve is very slim.  If 
> everyone was up to date, I don't think there would be a problem.
> 
> A good test would be to insert new content through an up-to-date node.  Other users 
> using up-to-date nodes should be able to retrieve it quickly.
> 
> I agree, there should be a way to notify users of older releases that they should 
> update their nodes.  Perhaps a broadcast feature?  Or maybe auto-update through 
> Freenet itself?
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Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings

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On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 10:28:36PM -0500, vinyl1 wrote:
> OK, I have the latest build (5074), the latest seed nodes, the latest
> everything I could find as of today, 3/8/2004
> 
> On the Web interface, I can't load The Freedom Engine, Dolphin's Free Index,
> and Content of Evil.  I can load the Freenet Help Index and YoYo.  This is
> possibly due to unreachable, out-of-date nodes.  The stuff that does load
> seems to work better than before.
> 
> However, since I have plenty of connections, I am a little surprised I can't
> insert with FUQID.  Here is a piece of my log:
> 
> {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:17] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061

This is strange. Why is FUQID trying to connect to the node on port
10061? It should try to connect on the FCP port, NOT THE FNP PORT. Check
your config file for clientPort=, usually 8481.


> [2004-03-08 22:15:18] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:18] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:19] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:19] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:20] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:20] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:21] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:21] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:22] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:22] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:23] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:23] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:24] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:24] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> [2004-03-08 22:15:25] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Inserting 262144 bytes
> (try 1), HTL=25
> [2004-03-08 22:15:25] {Fall2003.zip   1/ 13} Fatal error in insert
> thread: EFCPError: connect failed: 10061
> 
> I am on dialup, and am running a transient node.  It used to work OK,
> although slowly, for viewing content and using FUQID and Frost.
> 
> I can see why FUQID might not be able to retrieve old content, but I cannot
> see why FUQID won't insert, unless it has hard-coded node IP addresses
> compiled into it.  Release 1.2 is the latest FUQID I could find.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings
> 
> 
> > Yes, thank you, I am already running 5074.  As Vinyl1 said, I may be
> trying
> > to retrieve old inserts that are on nodes that haven't been updated.  But
> > it seems like quite a lot of content is on old nodes.  If that is the case
> > then I agree that there should be some way to either auto update or to
> > message people that their node is obsolete.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:47 AM 3/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Before you give up, please make sure you have upgraded to the
> > >latest stable build.  Go to http://127.0.0.1:/ and look at
> > >the build number listed there.  It should be 5074.  If it is
> > >below 5066, your node is part of a dwindling network of
> > >unmaintained freenet nodes which do not communicate with
> > >the newer nodes.
> > >
> > > From http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download :
> > >
> > >Windows users can upgrade to the latest daily Freenet "snapshot"
> > >release by clicking on "Update Snapshot" in the Freenet section of
> > >their Start menu.
> > >
> > >Linux users may similarly upgrade by running the update.sh shell
> > >script in the freenet/ directory.
> > >
> > >-- Ed Huff
> > >
> >
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[freenet-support] Stable build 5074

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Freenet stable build 5074 is now available. The snapshots will have been
updated sometime in the next few hours. Once that has happened, you can get
build 5074 via the update.sh script on Linux, BSD, or OS/X, or use the
freenet-webinstall.exe utility to update on Windows, or get
the jar from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar .
All stable branch users should upgrade.

Major changes:
* Fixed a major memory leak.
* Fixed a minor routing problem (the overall probability estimators,
  used for various purposes, were always exactly 1.0).
* Fixed a more major routing problem (very high routing table churn caused
  by us being too quick to poach references from requestors).
* Lots of changes to the HTML interface to the node; hirvox has been
  doing lots of good work on this. The new template system will be much
  more flexible.
* New diagnostic var inputBytes.
* Lots of minor changes, optimizations, etc.
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[freenet-support] [toad@amphibian.dyndns.org: [Tech] Unstable build 6499]

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Some people on support were having problems with unstable. If you run
unstable you should read tech or devl and upgrade daily or so.

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Freenet unstable build 6499 is now available. The snapshots have been
updated. Please upgrade. The major change in this build is a gross and
horrible hack to make the node start up when running on Windows. It
appears we are still using a utility called winconfig on Windows. This
produces config files where *everything* is hard-coded, and nothing can
be changed by the node, with the result that the network is stuck with
ancient settings for key network parameters. Hence when we renamed
InsertServlet_ to InsertServlet, Windows machines with existing ini
files could no longer start up the unstable branch Freenet. A horrible
hack has been introduced (when we see InsertServlet_, change it to
InsertServlet), but a longer term solution would be nice and would help
w.r.t. network issues. However, at least Windows unstable nodes will run
now.
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Re: [freenet-support] Stable build 5073

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On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 05:34:21PM +0100, Troed S?ngberg wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:15:27 +0000, Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  be distributed more widely. Specifically, if the requestor cancels a
> >  transfer, we should still transfer the data. Of course this means that
> >  nodes can DoS the network by requesting data and then cancelling the
> >  transfer; we will instigate some sort of blacklisting to try to
> >  discourage this, but it is not an immediate priority.
> 
> Elaborate. Does this mean that a person who's downloading via FUQID and  
> aborts the transfers (to be able to close FUQID down) might get  
> blacklisted? How about trying to load lots of Freesites but not getting  
> anything (fast, at least) and then closing everything down?

No, clients don't get blacklisted. The node would however be punished by
the client as it would continue to transfer the data. FUQID is a bit of
a pain to the node for this reason :|
> 
> regards,
> Troed
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[freenet-support] Stable build 5073

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Freenet stable build 5073 is now available. The snapshots are being
updated. You can get it via the update.sh script on Linux, BSD, or OS/X,
or use the freenet-webinstall.exe utility to update on Windows, or get
the jar from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar .
All stable branch users should upgrade. The snapshots have been updated.

Changelog:
* Fixed a fairly major deviation from freenet's original design goals:
  the attacker must not be able to probe for data without causing it to
  be distributed more widely. Specifically, if the requestor cancels a
  transfer, we should still transfer the data. Of course this means that
  nodes can DoS the network by requesting data and then cancelling the
  transfer; we will instigate some sort of blacklisting to try to
  discourage this, but it is not an immediate priority.
* Fix a NullPointerException in the TransferInsert state.
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Re: [freenet-dev] Re: [freenet-support] Compilation error

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 09:10:11AM -0800, Sheldon Young wrote:
> > > javac -target 1.1 -classpath lib/freenet-ext.jar:lib/junit.jar
> > > -sourcepath src -d build  -deprecation src/freenet/client/*.java
> > > src/freenet/client/cli/*.java
> > > src/freenet/support/servlet/http/HttpSessionImpl.java:7: warning:
> > > javax.servlet.http.HttpSessionContext in javax.servlet.http has been
> > > deprecated
> > > import javax.servlet.http.HttpSessionContext;
> > >   ^
> > > 1 warning
> > >
> > > I don't know what it mean
> >
> > It means you should turn off -deprecation if you don't want to see the
> > message :)
> >
> > Seriously though, this is annoying :|
> 
> This is the last and only deprecation warning.
> 
> Unfortunately it cannot be eliminated because, according to the Servlet
> 2.2 specification, getSession() must still exists in the
> HttpServletRequest class.  As long as getSession() exists then the
> HttpSession class must exist, which means the deprecated class
> HttpSessionContext must exist.

We do not however have to implement it. Just return null, and don't
implement HttpSessionContext. Right?
> 
> It's a little ugly, but it's harmless, although it may point out we are
> reinventing the wheel and maybe should be borrowing someone elses servlet
> implementation.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Compilation error

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 05:45:54PM +0100, Someone wrote:
> Yoann schrieb:
> 
> >I try to compile the lastest Freenet sources.
> >I take the library freenet-ext.jar and junit.jar
> >And when i do make, I have (I had -depecation) :
> >
> >javac -target 1.1 -classpath lib/freenet-ext.jar:lib/junit.jar
> >-sourcepath src -d build  -deprecation src/freenet/client/*.java
> >src/freenet/client/cli/*.java
> >src/freenet/support/servlet/http/HttpSessionImpl.java:7: warning:
> >javax.servlet.http.HttpSessionContext in javax.servlet.http has been
> >deprecated
> >import javax.servlet.http.HttpSessionContext;
> >  ^
> >1 warning
> >
> >I don't know what it mean
> 
> This means that the named class/interface is from an older JVM version and
> shouldn't be used anymore because it is considered bad in some ways.
> 
> But it isn't an error, it's just a warning and not really harmfull.

IIRC we are required by the interface to override a deprecated method.
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Re: [freenet-support] Compilation error

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Yoann wrote:
> I try to compile the lastest Freenet sources.
> I take the library freenet-ext.jar and junit.jar
> And when i do make, I have (I had -depecation) :
> 
> javac -target 1.1 -classpath lib/freenet-ext.jar:lib/junit.jar
> -sourcepath src -d build  -deprecation src/freenet/client/*.java
> src/freenet/client/cli/*.java
> src/freenet/support/servlet/http/HttpSessionImpl.java:7: warning:
> javax.servlet.http.HttpSessionContext in javax.servlet.http has been
> deprecated
> import javax.servlet.http.HttpSessionContext;
>   ^
> 1 warning
> 
> I don't know what it mean

It means you should turn off -deprecation if you don't want to see the
message :)

Seriously though, this is annoying :|
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