Can't get email from Gmail - Invalid server certificate

[MAU]

Hello all,

Today I had lunch at my daughter's and she asked me to take a look at 
her The Bat!, because from some time ago (does not remember how log) 
she can't retrieve POP email from her Gmail account. 
She is still using version 4.2.44, and this is what she gets in the 
account log:

 22/01/2023, 16:18:35: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 22/01/2023, 16:18:35: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
>22/01/2023, 16:18:36: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 
>ECE0E86001712BD5127A99077EA42E6D, algorithm: RSA (2048 bits), issued from 
>1/2/2023 8:18:41 AM to 3/27/2023 8:18:40 AM, for 1 host(s): pop.gmail.com.
>22/01/2023, 16:18:36: FETCH - Owner: pop.gmail.com.
>22/01/2023, 16:18:36: FETCH - Issuer: US, Google Trust Services LLC, GTS CA 
>1C3.
>22/01/2023, 16:18:36: FETCH - Issuer: US, Google Trust Services LLC, GTS Root 
>R1.
>22/01/2023, 16:18:36: FETCH - Root: BE, GlobalSign nv-sa, Root CA, GlobalSign 
>Root CA
!22/01/2023, 16:18:36: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server 
certificate (This certificate has expired).

Does anyone know what the problem may be and how to overcome it? I'd appreciate 
any help.
TIA.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid) - Spain)
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Re: Version 10.2 and gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Hello Thomas,

I fixed this problem for a new gmail account. The protocol type on the very 
first screen has to be "IMAP or POP" instead of "Auto". That is new. If I leave 
that at "Auto", it makes an IMAP account. It used to be the case that you 
selected IMAP or POP on the next screen.

What I haven't found yet is what I need to do in The Bat for an existing gmail 
POP account to make it work again since Google broke** almost every e-mail 
client earlier this year. It is rare that I send mail from a gmail address. I 
will create a new account in The Bat when I need it for my other gmail address. 
I don't need to actually retrieve gmail in The Bat, I set it up a long time ago 
to forward everything arriving at my gmail addresses to an address on my own 
domain as "web login required" every so often in the error logs was driving me 
crazy.

**Gmail may get broken again as I have started receiving mails with "keep your 
phone handy"


Adrian

Monday, October 24, 2022, 5:21:16 AM, Thomas Fernandez ML thomas.f...@gmx.net 
wrote:

> I am using Gmail and POP under v10.2. However, I set it up a long time ago. 
> Do you have the problem with an existing account or are you trying to set up 
> a new account?

 



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Re: Version 10.2 and gmail

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Adrian,

On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:12:09 +0200 GMT (11/10/2022, 14:12 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> While I can make gmail work with Version 10.2 of The Bat, it seems to insist 
> on using IMAP instead of POP. Is there any way to fix this?
> I don't particularly need to retrieve gmail directly in The Bat as I forward 
> everything sent to my gmail address to an e-mail address on one of my own 
> domains AND delete from Google servers, but there are occasions when I need 
> to send mail from my gmail address and I certainly don't want to start web 
> browsers to do this.

I am using Gmail and POP under v10.2. However, I set it up a long time ago. Do 
you have the problem with an existing account or are you trying to set up a new 
account?

--


Cheers,
Thomas.

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Version 10.2 and gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

While I can make gmail work with Version 10.2 of The Bat, it seems to insist on 
using IMAP instead of POP. Is there any way to fix this?
I don't particularly need to retrieve gmail directly in The Bat as I forward 
everything sent to my gmail address to an e-mail address on one of my own 
domains AND delete from Google servers, but there are occasions when I need to 
send mail from my gmail address and I certainly don't want to start web 
browsers to do this.

Adrian



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Re: Gmail

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, June 24, 2022, 06:23:01, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Thanks Jernej. It seems you are correct. In my version 6 the path described by
> Miguel does not yield OAUTH. Fortunately I had/have little use for Gmail so 
> it's
> not a great loss.

You might be able to generate an app-specific password in gmail web interface 
to use with The Bat.

-- 
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Super-competence is more objectionable than incompetence.
   -- Peter's Observation



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Re: Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?
M> Account/Properties/Transport/Receive mail/Authentication/OAUTH

Thanks for trying but as you can see in my reply to Jernej, it was not meant t o
be.

-- 
Regards,
Jack
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jernej,

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 you wrote:

JS> On Thursday, June 23, 2022, 17:53:36, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?

JS> It is, but only since version 7 or 8.

Thanks Jernej. It seems you are correct. In my version 6 the path described by
Miguel does not yield OAUTH. Fortunately I had/have little use for Gmail so it's
not a great loss.

-- 
Regards,
Jack
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Gmail

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?
Account/Properties/Transport/Receive mail/Authentication/OAUTH


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Re: Gmail

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 23, 2022, 17:53:36, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?

It is, but only since version 7 or 8.

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Re: Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Adrian,

>> Gmail needs OAUTH. This is supported in Version 10 of The Bat.

M> I have not upgraded to v10 and I use OAUTH with no problem.

Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?

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Jack
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Re: Gmail

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 19:17:46, MAU wrote:

> I have not upgraded to v10 and I use OAUTH with no problem.

OAUTH support was added in version 7 IIRC.

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Re: Gmail

[MAU]

Hello Adrian,

> Gmail needs OAUTH. This is supported in Version 10 of The Bat.

I have not upgraded to v10 and I use OAUTH with no problem.

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Re: Gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

The problem with gmail is that changes in May have broken almost every e-mail 
client. Gmail needs OAUTH. This is supported in Version 10 of The Bat.

If you look in the account log for your gmail address , you will see "username 
and password not accepted" Note "not accepted". That is different from 
"invalid" or "not valid".

Unless you actually need to send mail from a gmail address, just forward 
everything that arrives at your gmail address to an e-mail address on another 
domain. www.gmail.com. Settings, Forwarding and POP

Adrian


 



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Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

I've had Gmail controlled by TB! for years but something happened and now TB!
can't get to it anymore. I fear the *CONNECTION* and *PORT* parameters have been
altered and are no longer valid. I can't remember how I got those parameters
years ago and so now have no idea how to get that information to confirm or
replace.

Can anybody help?

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa

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Re: Changes to GMail

[Lore Galore]

Hello Ian,

Saturday, March 5, 2022, 8:35:42 PM, you wrote:

> G'day  Lore,

> On Friday, March 4, 2022, at 2:05:16 PM, you (Lore Galore) wrote:

LG>> I haven't tried it yet, but have been continually aggravated with gmail's 
turning off "less secure app" access if I don't use the gmail account in The 
Bat! for a while.  Hopefully when the time comes it will be workable; otherwise 
I'll have to use webmail - Fastmail in particular, as I like it better than 
gmail on the web and have multiple addresses configured there.

> Well, I've done it.

> My ISP gives me 5 e-mail boxes, so I have setup one of them for messages from 
> this and the beta list.

> My GMail box has remained unchanged( so I do not do anything with my 
> subscription to these lists), except that all messages sent to it now get 
> forwarded to the one I setup with my ISP. Instead of collecting my messages 
> directly from GMail, I collect it from my ISP.

> This only needs to be setup once and then if you change ISPs, you change the 
> forwarding address to the one you setup with your new ISP.

> So, I am not accessing GMail. GMail is simply sending the messages on to 
> where I can access them more easily.

> This can be done with any e-mail service that has an automatic forwarding 
> option.

> I have done the same with addresses I use for things like forums, shopping 
> sites, sites that may not unsubscribe you, etc.

> As far as those replying to or contacting me, nothing changes for them.

Thanks!  I have my GMail (and all outside email) forwarded to Fastmail.  The 
problem is when I want to send from GMail in the Bat! because GMail insists on 
less secure app status, and cancels the "off" status if I don't send in a 
while.  My ISP email is so inferior that I gave up on it years ago and I don't 
use it at all.

-- 
Lore Galore



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Re: Changes to GMail

[Adrian Godfrey]

I have had "forward to POP and delete gmail's copy" already activated since 
creating gmail addresses. "allow less secure apps" was sufficient. But even 
with that, I was still plagued with "web login required" if my IP address for 
the actual Internet connection  changed.
Today I have added "forward to a specific e-mail address and delete gmail's 
copy". I should have done this long ago to avoid that "web login required" 
error.

The e-mail  address on one of my own domains doesn't play such games.



Adrian



 



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Re: Changes to GMail

[Lore Galore]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 6:52 PM, Ian A. White wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I just tried setting the authentication from Regular to OAUTH on a 
> lesser used GMail account and no luck at all.
>
> It came back with a 400 error.
>
> Looks like some troubled times ahead, particularly when ME TOO kicks on 
> and more and more e-mail hosts jump in as well.
>
> -- 
>
> Regards
>
> Using The Bat! 9.5.1 Professional with MailWasher Pro 7.12.56
> Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1
> On Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3120M CPU @ 2.5 GHz, 8 GB RAM and 750 GB HDD
>
>
> 
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I haven't tried it yet, but have been continually aggravated with gmail's 
turning off "less secure app" access if I don't use the gmail account in The 
Bat! for a while.  Hopefully when the time comes it will be workable; otherwise 
I'll have to use webmail - Fastmail in particular, as I like it better than 
gmail on the web and have multiple addresses configured there.

Lore Galore


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Re: Gmail and two-step verification and The Bat

[Mark Partous]

Hello Avram,

Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 8:45:42 AM, you wrote:

AS> Starting, yesterday, Google turned on two-step verification for one of my 
16 gmail accounts.

16 gmail acounts? You are an Alphabet-junkie, or what? 😀
 
 I would have said "dump Gmail for anything but Alphabet-related mail", but I 
fear that wouldn't be of great help for you.


-- 
Kind Regards,
Mark
 


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Re: Gmail and two-step verification and The Bat

[MAU]

Hello Avram,
 
If you are in TBBeta, take a look at thread with Subject: SOT: Need 
application-specific password for Gmail,
starting with 

Cheers,
MAU

> Hi
>   
>  
> I am resending this e-mail because I forgot to add an important point.  See, 
> below.
>  
>  
> Starting, yesterday, Google turned on two-step verification for one
> of my 16 gmail accounts.   Thus, when I attempt to use The Bat to
> download mail from that gmail account, nothing downloads.   The log
> file shows that an application-specific password is required and directs me 
> to this webpage:
>  
> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833#zippy=%2Cyou-still-cant-sign-in
> However, the instructions there direct me to access the "app
> passwords" feature and generate a password to use with the app.  
> So, I selected "mail"and generated the password. However, where do I
> enter this information in The Bat so that TB can freely access the gmail 
> account.
>  
> Any ideas as to what I need to do other than to turn off two-factor 
> identification?   
>  
> I have no difficulty accessing this account with my cell phone.
>  
>  
> It is important to note that, of course, I already have a regular
> password for the gmail account, which is entered in the appropriate box in 
> account properties:
>  
> (Account - properties - transport - receive mail.)
>  
> But, where is the "app password" supposed to be entered?
>  
>  
>  
> --
> Avi

> Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.4.4 on Win 7 Pro

-- 
Best regards,
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Re: Gmail and two-step verification and The Bat

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 08:45:42, Avram Sacks wrote:

> But, where is the "app password" supposed to be entered?
You use it instead of the regular password. But you should just switch the 
authentication type for GMail to OAuth, you won't need the app password then 
any more.
 
-- 
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A good place to start from is where you are.
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Gmail and two-step verification and The Bat

[Avram Sacks]

Hi
 
 
I am resending this e-mail because I forgot to add an important point.  See, 
below.
 
 
Starting, yesterday, Google turned on two-step verification for one of my 16 
gmail accounts.   Thus, when I attempt to use The Bat to download mail from 
that gmail account, nothing downloads.   The log file shows that an 
application-specific password is required and directs me to this webpage:
 
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833#zippy=%2Cyou-still-cant-sign-in
However, the instructions there direct me to access the "app passwords" feature 
and generate a password to use with the app.   So, I selected "mail"and 
generated the password. However, where do I enter this information in The Bat 
so that TB can freely access the gmail account.
 
Any ideas as to what I need to do other than to turn off two-factor 
identification?   
 
I have no difficulty accessing this account with my cell phone.
 
 
It is important to note that, of course, I already have a regular password for 
the gmail account, which is entered in the appropriate box in account 
properties:
 
(Account - properties - transport - receive mail.)
 
But, where is the "app password" supposed to be entered?
 
 
 
--
Avi

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Gmail and two-step verification and The Bat

[Avram Sacks]

Hi
 
Starting, yesterday, Google turned on two-step verification for one of my 16 
gmail accounts.   Thus, when I attempt to use The Bat to download mail from 
that gmail account, nothing downloads.   The log file shows that an 
application-specific password is required and directs me to this webpage:
 
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833#zippy=%2Cyou-still-cant-sign-in
However, the instructions there direct me to access the "app passwords" feature 
and generate a password to use with the app.   So, I selected "mail"and 
generated the password. However, where do I enter this information in The Bat 
so that TB can freely access the gmail account.
 
Any ideas as to what I need to do other than to turn off two-factor 
identification?   
 
I have no difficulty accessing this account with my cell phone.
 
--
Avi

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How to delete a message in TheBat! while I am in IMAP mode of Gmail

[Mica Mijatovic]

Hello TBUDL,

I'm not very apt in working with IMAP, but this what I understand is
that if I chose to delete a message shown in The Bat, it should be
deleted from Gmail server too - if I have configured it so (which I
did).

Now, what I find interesting, and guess might be important, is when
TB! downloads messages from Gmail, it for each filter I have created
in Gmail, makes separate folder, with the name of the given filter,
and in this folder I can see the messages filtered by this rule.

Those messages I can see both in TB's Inbox, and in the given
mentioned folder. For instance, the messages from TBUDL folder I can
see both inside this folder and inside Inbox.

Then, if I delete some message in TBUDL folder, I notice that it is not
deleted from the Inbox! And vice versa. While, if I change status of a
message in Inbox, eg. to "Read", I see it is changed in "TBUDL" folder
too. Same is with using flags etc.

Then again, if I delete, in TB!, a message that has no a rule assigned
to, it happens with the copy of the message on Gmail www interface
too. And vice versa, which I recon is as it should be. The thing acts
normal, or as expected to. -- The question is: Why is this not the
case with the rest of the messages which are filtered out into those
mentioned folders? ★ More precisely: How could I make that if I delete
such a message from Inbox, it is deleted from related folder too, and
vice versa, and me not being caught in the silly gamboling right and
left from folder to folder and deleting one and the same messages
twice?

Thanks much (for stopping the show)!

-- 
Mica



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Re: Gmail Shortcuts

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Paul,

> I should have said that I have tried to customize the keyboard shortcuts 
> using the customized tool. However this doesn't work very well because if I 
> assign say A to 'reply all' when I press A within the email editor, as I'm 
> typing a word TB launches a new window. It doesn't seem to understand the 
> context well. Any tips?

Here are the main ones: 

1. Main Window's main menu shortcuts can be used from other windows, so you 
should be careful assigning shortcuts to there.
2. Single-character shortcuts should not be used in main menus of any window as 
they will intercept those characters from input controls, so it is recommended 
to use them in local menus of lists or those controls that are not using text 
input.



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Stefan Tanurkov



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Re: Gmail Shortcuts

[Paul Meathrel]

I should have said that I have tried to customize the keyboard shortcuts
using the customized tool. However this doesn't work very well because if I
assign say A to 'reply all' when I press A within the email editor, as I'm
typing a word TB launches a new window. It doesn't seem to understand the
context well. Any tips?

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 18:51 Paul Meathrel,  wrote:

> Hi there
>
> Just wondered whether the bat allows us to use standard Gmail shortcuts
> within the app? I've grown quite used to using these in other email apps
> and wondered if the bat supported this?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Paul
>
>

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Gmail Shortcuts

[Paul Meathrel]

Hi there

Just wondered whether the bat allows us to use standard Gmail shortcuts
within the app? I've grown quite used to using these in other email apps
and wondered if the bat supported this?

Thanks


Paul

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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 23 September 2020 at 11:37:07 PM, in
, Achdut18 wrote:-


> What am I specifically looking at in order to check
> POM settings?   Under account properties and "general"
> the account name is the gmail address.  The word
> "recent"  is not appended to the address.  

The user name will be on the "Transport" tab, in the "Receive mail" section. 
The second box, which is called "User" will probably contain your gmail 
address. Maybe without the "@gmail.com" or whatever. And it might have 
"recent:" in front of it.

-- 
Best regards

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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[MAU]

Hello Avram,

M>> What  are  your  settings  for  Account Properties/Mail Management/Mail
M>> Dispatcher/Show all messages left on server?
>
>
> In the Account Properties box under "mail management" the only box
> or button checked, is "Leave messages on server" with no limitation
> on the number of days.   The box "Invoke automatically at each mail
> check" is not checked, and the one underneath that, "Show all
> messages left on the server." is thus grayed out.
>

I  don't know if it will help, or not. But try checking both. Once you
tick the first, the second one will not be grayed out.

-- 
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Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid)- Spain)
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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[Avram Sacks]

Hi,

Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 10:10:42 AM, you wrote:

M> Hello Achdut18,

>> I don't see anything under "properties" that restricts downloading
>> to the past month.   What am I not doing right?

M> What  are  your  settings  for  Account Properties/Mail Management/Mail
M> Dispatcher/Show all messages left on server?


In the Account Properties box under "mail management" the only box or button 
checked, is "Leave messages on server" with no limitation on the number of 
days.   The box "Invoke automatically at each mail check" is not checked, and 
the one underneath that, "Show all messages left on the server." is thus grayed 
out.


--
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.1.18 on Win 7 Pro 



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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[Achdut18]

Hello MFPA,

Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 12:08:30 PM, you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Wednesday 23 September 2020 at 10:20:32 AM, in
M> , Achdut18 wrote:-




>> I don't see anything under "properties" that
>> restricts downloading to the past month.   What am I not
>> doing right?  

M> Check your POP settings in TB!. If your username is your gmail
M> address prefixed with "Recent:", you'll only get the last 30 days worth.


What am I specifically looking at in order to check POM settings?   Under 
account properties and "general" the account name is the gmail address.  The 
word "recent"  is not appended to the address.

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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[Avram Sacks]

Title: Re: Downloading "old" gmail


Hi,

Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 10:10:42 AM, you wrote:

M> Hello Achdut18,

>> I don't see anything under "properties" that restricts downloading
>> to the past month.   What am I not doing right?

M> What  are  your  settings  for  Account Properties/Mail Management/Mail
M> Dispatcher/Show all messages left on server?


In the Account Properties box under "mail management" the only box or button checked, is "Leave messages on server" with no limitation on the number of days.   The box "Invoke automatically at each mail check" is not checked, and the one underneath that, "Show all messages left on the server." is thus grayed out.


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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 23 September 2020 at 10:20:32 AM, in
, Achdut18 wrote:-


> This seemed like a great idea.  However, when I tried
> to do that, it only downloaded the headers for mail from
> Aug 23 - Sept 23, 2020. That is no use.  That was about
> 4500 messages.  But, I have 288,000+ messages on the
> Google server for this account. 

You could try what it says at https://www.msoutlook.info/question/583, although 
it's 9 years old, so google probably changed the interface three dozen times 
since.

"Gmail has some specific POP3 options which offers you some additional control 
about what gets downloaded by Outlook (or any 
other mail client).

Enable POP for all mail

In Gmail you can find these option in the Forwarding and POP/IMAP section;

Click on the gear icon in the top right corner next to your name and 
choose; Mail settings
Click on; Forwarding and POP/IMAP
Enable the option: Enable POP for all mail (even mail that’s already been 
downloaded)

Gmail - Enable POP for all mail (even that's already been downlaoded)
POP3 option in Gmail to download all mail."



> I don't see anything under "properties" that
> restricts downloading to the past month.   What am I not
> doing right?  

Check your POP settings in TB!. If your username is your gmail address prefixed 
with "Recent:", you'll only get the last 30 days worth. 

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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[MAU]

Hello Achdut18,

> I don't see anything under "properties" that restricts downloading
> to the past month.   What am I not doing right?

What  are  your  settings  for  Account Properties/Mail Management/Mail
Dispatcher/Show all messages left on server?

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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[Achdut18]

Thanks, Thomas.  

Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 8:59:20 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Avram,

TF> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:59:58 -0500 GMT (23-Sep-20, 0:59 +0700 GMT),
TF> Avram Sacks wrote:

>> How does one get The Bat to download "old" gmail from the gmail server?

>> Specifically, ...  I want The Bat to download all mail from 2005 - 2011 for 
>> a particular account.   For another account, it might be mail from 2012 - 
>> 2015.   etc.

TF> Try Account / Dispatch Mail on Server / All Messages. See if the
TF> old messages are shown and if so, download only those.

This seemed like a great idea.  However, when I tried to do that, it only 
downloaded the headers for mail from Aug 23 - Sept 23, 2020. That is no use.  
That was about 4500 messages.  But, I have 288,000+ messages on the Google 
server for this account. 

I don't see anything under "properties" that restricts downloading to the past 
month.   What am I not doing right?


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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avram,

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:59:58 -0500 GMT (23-Sep-20, 0:59 +0700 GMT),
Avram Sacks wrote:

> How does one get The Bat to download "old" gmail from the gmail server?

> Specifically, I have a number of different gmail accounts through which I 
> access various list servs including TBUDL!  In some cases, I have had these 
> accounts for a longer period than for which the gmail messages have been 
> downloaded on to my hard drive.   Usually this is because I had set up the 
> accounts when I was an employee and the e-mail was downloaded to a work 
> computer.I am running out of the 15GB space that Google allows one to 
> have for free.  100% of it is due to gmail.   How to do I force The Bat 
> e-mail client to download the mail that is stored by Google, but is not on my 
> computer?   In one case, for example, I need to download all mail from 2005 - 
> 2011.  I have on my hard drive, all mail from 2011 to 9/22/2020.   So, I want 
> The Bat to download all mail from 2005 - 2011 for a particular account.   For 
> another account, it might be mail from 2012 - 2015.   etc.

Try Account / Dispatch Mail on Server / All Messages. See if the old messages 
are shown and if so, download only those.

Note that if you have many emails on server, it can take a long time until you 
see the Dispatacher with all the headers.

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Downloading "old" gmail

[Avram Sacks]

HI, 

How does one get The Bat to download "old" gmail from the gmail server?

Specifically, I have a number of different gmail accounts through which I 
access various list servs including TBUDL!  In some cases, I have had these 
accounts for a longer period than for which the gmail messages have been 
downloaded on to my hard drive.   Usually this is because I had set up the 
accounts when I was an employee and the e-mail was downloaded to a work 
computer.I am running out of the 15GB space that Google allows one to have 
for free.  100% of it is due to gmail.   How to do I force The Bat e-mail 
client to download the mail that is stored by Google, but is not on my 
computer?   In one case, for example, I need to download all mail from 2005 - 
2011.  I have on my hard drive, all mail from 2011 to 9/22/2020.   So, I want 
The Bat to download all mail from 2005 - 2011 for a particular account.   For 
another account, it might be mail from 2012 - 2015.   etc. 

Thanks.


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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems (Gmail)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Assad,

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:25:24 +0400 GMT (12-Apr-20, 16:25 +0700 GMT),
Assad Baroot wrote:

>>> Maxim wrote this in the list of changes in version 9.1.10:
>>>
>>> [-] The Bat! did require "Key Encipherment" or "Key Agreement" in
>>> "Key Usage" certificate attribute for TLS even if the certificate
>>> was only used to sign ephemeral keys to provide perfect forward
>>> secrecy. If a server only supports perfect forward secrecy TLS
>>> cipher suites, the certificate used by this server may have no
>>> "Key Encipherment" or "Key Agreement" in the "Key Usage"
>>> attribute.

M>> I  wish  I could understand what all that means, sounds "like Chinese"
M>> to me.

>  I don't understand either but since this version, I no longer get
>  the   TLS  error.  I  suppose  Maxim  wanted  to say he fixed the
>  certificate problem.

Not working in this version. Since it is not avast (MAU and Avrim
confirmed that they don't use it), I have opened open a bug report:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1989

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Re: Gmail/Imap delete Trash?

[MAU]

Hello Susanne,

> I've got is set up now, by using the correct trash folder in TB and
> changing a setting on the gmail website.
>
> When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible IMAP 
> folder:
> Immediately delete the message forever

Great! :-)

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Re: Gmail/Imap delete Trash?

[Susanne]

Thanks for checking!

I've got is set up now, by using the correct trash folder in TB and changing a 
setting on the gmail website.

When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible IMAP 
folder: 
Immediately delete the message forever


Friday, February 21, 2020, 12:12:51 AM, MAU wrote:

> Hello Susanne,

>> I don't have anything about "Message Management" under Mail Management.

>> Just "Deletion" and "IMAP fine tune", and neither one has anything
>> about deleting mail from server when it is
>> removed from trash.

> Ooops!  Sorry, forgot you were talking about Imap accounts and I don't
> have any. Mine are all POP.




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Re: Gmail/Imap delete Trash?

[MAU]

Hello Susanne,

> I don't have anything about "Message Management" under Mail Management.
>
> Just "Deletion" and "IMAP fine tune", and neither one has anything
> about deleting mail from server when it is
> removed from trash.

Ooops!  Sorry, forgot you were talking about Imap accounts and I don't
have any. Mine are all POP.

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Re: Gmail/Imap delete Trash?

[Susanne]

Hello,

I don't have anything about "Message Management" under Mail Management.

Just "Deletion" and "IMAP fine tune", and neither one has anything about 
deleting mail from server when it is
removed from trash.


Thursday, February 20, 2020, 12:46:29 PM, MAU wrote:

> Hello Susanne,

>>   I am trying to set up TB to delete trash on Gmail, when I empty the TB 
>> trash folder.
>>   From reading online, there is supposed to be a setting somewhere 
>>   (Delete mail from server when it is removed from Trash), but I can't find 
>> it anywhere.
>>   
>>   Thanks for any help!

> Account Properties -> Mail Management -> Message Management 




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Re: Gmail/Imap delete Trash?

[MAU]

Hello Susanne,

>   I am trying to set up TB to delete trash on Gmail, when I empty the TB 
> trash folder.
>   From reading online, there is supposed to be a setting somewhere 
>   (Delete mail from server when it is removed from Trash), but I can't find 
> it anywhere.
>   
>   Thanks for any help!

Account Properties -> Mail Management -> Message Management 

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Gmail/Imap delete Trash?

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Hello,

  I am trying to set up TB to delete trash on Gmail, when I empty the TB trash 
folder.
  From reading online, there is supposed to be a setting somewhere 
  (Delete mail from server when it is removed from Trash), but I can't find it 
anywhere.
  
  Thanks for any help!

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Re: No more Gmail?

[Paul Van Noord]

3/23/2019  8:32 AM

Hi Paul,

On 3/21/2019 Paul F. Siebern wrote:

PFS> Hi TBUDL

PFS> I just got this message from Google Accounts:

PFS>"Although you don’t need to take any action, we wanted to let you know 
that
PFS>the following third-party apps will no longer be able to access some 
data
PFS>in your Google Account, including your Gmail content. This change will 
go
PFS>into effect starting March 31, 2019.

PFS>The Bat!
PFS>
PFS>We are making this change as part of ongoing efforts to make sure your 
data
PFS>is protected and private. These apps haven’t yet complied with our 
updated
PFS>data privacy requirements  
PFS>   
PFS> 
(https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/g-suite/elevating-user-trust-in-our-api-ecosystems)
PFS>announced on October 8, 2018."
PFS>
PFS> So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts with The Bat! ?

PFS> Thanks

Or... no longer use Gmail!  

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Re: No more Gmail?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 21 March 2019 at 10:40:35 PM, in
, Paul F. Siebern wrote:-


> I just got this message from Google Accounts:

One of my email accounts is gmail and I have received no such 
notification.


> So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts
> with The Bat! ?

Aslius wrote in the TBBETA mailing list [0]:

 "Don't worry, we updated TheBat! access and it will work 
 with GMail after 31 of March." 

   and

 "All existing versions of TheBat! which are work with 
 Gmail for the moment - will work after end of month 
 without any actions from user's site. No need to do any 
 action or update application. TheBat is being reverified 
 by Google."

   So, no reason for panic at the moment! 


[0] Thread starting at 
<https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg111235.html>. 


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Re: No more Gmail?

[MAU]

Hello Paul,

> I just got this message from Google Accounts:

Same here, but in Spanish.

> So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts with The Bat! ?

Same question. 

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No more Gmail?

[Paul F. Siebern]

Hi TBUDL

I just got this message from Google Accounts:

   "Although you don’t need to take any action, we wanted to let you know that  
   the following third-party apps will no longer be able to access some data  
   in your Google Account, including your Gmail content. This change will go  
   into effect starting March 31, 2019.

   The Bat!
   
   We are making this change as part of ongoing efforts to make sure your data  
   is protected and private. These apps haven’t yet complied with our updated  
   data privacy requirements  
   
(https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/g-suite/elevating-user-trust-in-our-api-ecosystems)
  
   announced on October 8, 2018."
   
So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts with The Bat! ?

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Re: Reset Gmail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 2 February 2019 at 3:56:04 PM, in
, Richard L de S Clauson
wrote:-

> I'd not heard of the "recent:" prefix before, and
> haven't Googled about it,
> but I suspect, based on some of the other replies,
> that it may be an IMAP4
> feature.

As far as I can see, it's a gmail-specific and POP-specific feature. 

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Re: Reset Gmail

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Hi Richard,

Just catching up with emails in this folder, hence the very late response.

You have set up the GMail account in TB! as a POP3 account (not an IMAP4 
account).  This means that as TB! has not messages already from this mail 
server it will go and download everything in the InBox from start to end, 
and that is exactly what you are reporting TB! to be doing.

NOTE:  Be aware that TB!, using its default settings, can then possibly 
delete all messages from the mail server (GMail in this case) older than 30 
days!!!

I'd not heard of the "recent:" prefix before, and haven't Googled about it, 
but I suspect, based on some of the other replies, that it may be an IMAP4 
feature.

Hope that helps?

Regards,
Richard L de S Clauson

Monday, January 7, 2019, 6:41:49 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Bat People,
>
>   I set-up a new Gmail POP3 account in TB. The Gmail account itself goes
> back to 2013 and contains thousands of messages. When I ask TB to download
> new messages it downloads messages going back to 2013 in batches of 450-500.
>   
>  Is there a way to reset something so TB will only download current new
> messages? Or, do I have to keep on downloading 450-500 at a time until 
> everything is current?
>  
>  Thanks.
>



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Re: Reset Gmail

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,

> Using The Bat! v8.7 (Christmas Edition) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134  
>
>
> 
> Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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¿¿?? ;-)

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Re: Reset Gmail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:25:50 -0500 GMT (09-Jan-19, 3:25 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Monday, January 7, 2019, 6:37:24 PM, you wrote:
TF>> Try this: Account / Dispatcher / New messages only
> Thanks for your detailed instructions and the effort you put into send the 
> instructions.

> The technique didn't work for "New messages only"; it brought down
> 400-500 messages for from 2014. Even if I had TB download "All
> Messages" it brought down a newer 400-500 messages from 2014. 

> So I went into the original GMail account and archived all messages
> earlier than yesterday. Now the downloading for that account is only
> downloading recent messages as I would expect it to.

> Once again, thanks for your input.

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Re: Reset Gmail

[Richard Newman]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, January 7, 2019, 6:37:24 PM, you wrote:
TF> Try this: Account / Dispatcher / New messages only
Thanks for your detailed instructions and the effort you put into send the 
instructions. 

The technique didn't work for "New messages only"; it brought down 400-500 
messages for from 2014. Even if I had TB download "All Messages" it brought 
down a newer 400-500 messages from 2014. 

So I went into the original GMail account and archived all messages earlier 
than yesterday. Now the downloading for that account is only downloading recent 
messages as I would expect it to.

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Re: Reset Gmail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 7 January 2019 at 8:56:24 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-



> I put "recent:" back, closed down TB and rebooted my
> machine. I
> downloaded another batch and got another 500ish circa
> 2014 emails.  

Strange. It works for my old gmail account that I rarely use. 
Previously fetched emails last May. Just fetched mails and the created 
dates range from 09/12/2018 to today.

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Re: Reset Gmail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:56:24 -0500 GMT (08-Jan-19, 3:56 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

> Monday, January 7, 2019, 2:04:28 PM, you wrote:
M>> At Account | Properties | Transport, in the "Receive Mail" part of the
M>> tab, prefix your gmail username or email address with "recent:" (no
> Thanks. That didn't work.

> I had "recent:" there already. I took it out. Closed down TB and
> rebooted my machine. Went into TB and downloaded another batch
> (without the "recent:") and got another 500ish circa 2014 emails.

> I put "recent:" back, closed down TB and rebooted my machine. I
> downloaded another batch and got another 500ish circa 2014 emails.

I think "recent:" only means that the client (TB! in this case) should
download mails that have already been viewed by other clients. So, I
am surprised that all the old mails were being downloaded when you
took it out... Google works in mysterious ways.

Try this: Account / Dispatcher / New messages only

TB! will download all headers of mails it would download; download
would start if you hit that botton on the top left. However, don't do
that. You have four columns (Read, Receive, Delete, Open), and they
can be toggled with crtl-1, crtl-2 etc.

Leave the tickmark at Read for all messages but hit crtl-2 to clear
the tickmark from Receive. The effect is that TB! will mark all
messages as Read, so it won't download them again next time, but it
won't actually download any messages.

You can go to the bottom and manually click and add the tickmark again
on those messages that you do want to receive now. Only those will be
downloaded.

Now, hit that down-arrow on the top-left corner.

This is how it works with "normal" POP accounts. It should work with
Gmail, but who knows what other "user-friendly" unintuitive ideas
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Re: Reset Gmail

[Richard Newman]

Hello MFPA,

Monday, January 7, 2019, 2:04:28 PM, you wrote:
M> At Account | Properties | Transport, in the "Receive Mail" part of the
M> tab, prefix your gmail username or email address with "recent:" (no
Thanks. That didn't work.

I had "recent:" there already. I took it out. Closed down TB and
rebooted my machine. Went into TB and downloaded another batch
(without the "recent:") and got another 500ish circa 2014 emails.

I put "recent:" back, closed down TB and rebooted my machine. I
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Re: Reset Gmail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 7 January 2019 at 6:41:49 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-



>  Is there a way to reset something so TB will only
> download current
> new messages? Or, do I have to keep on downloading
> 450-500 at a time until everything is current?

At Account | Properties | Transport, in the "Receive Mail" part of the
tab, prefix your gmail username or email address with "recent:" (no
quotes and no spaces). Then you only get the last 30 days or so of
emails.

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Reset Gmail

[Richard Newman]

Hello Bat People,

  I set-up a new Gmail POP3 account in TB. The Gmail account itself goes back 
to 2013 and contains thousands of messages. When I ask TB to download new 
messages it downloads messages going back to 2013 in batches of 450-500.
  
 Is there a way to reset something so TB will only download current new 
messages? Or, do I have to keep on downloading 450-500 at a time until 
everything is current?
 
 Thanks.

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Re: Gmail Imap Archive mails

[Susanne]

Hello Tony,

Monday, March 5, 2018, 9:36:06 AM, you wrote:

> Where would you archive them to? 

To a folder on my hard drive. I've done it with a gmail pop account before, but 
am not sure about deletion in Gmail, when using IMAP.
The messages would disappear from the IMAP account, but not go to the trash.

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Re: Gmail Imap Archive mails

[Susanne]

Hello MFPA,

Monday, March 5, 2018, 1:14:39 PM, you wrote:

> This is what I do for POP accounts. I have no IMAP accounts so do not 
> know if it translates. 

> I got the idea from MAU on this list over ten years ago, and I may as
> well paste in his description:-

Thanks! The only part that I wonder about is if the messages will get deleted 
on gmail, if they never show up in the trash.

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Re: Gmail Imap Archive mails

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 3 March 2018 at 10:19:09 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


> Hello,

> does someone have any advice how to accomplish this
> with a Gmail Imap account in TB:

> I want to archive messages older than a certain date
> in TB, and delete them in gmail.
> Is this possible with filters?  



This is what I do for POP accounts. I have no IMAP accounts so do not 
know if it translates. 

I got the idea from MAU on this list over ten years ago, and I may as
well paste in his description:-



On Wednesday 10 January 2007 at 1:32:49 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-


> Hello Lex,

>> Is there a way i can do this or something very
>> similar in the bat! ?

> Similar and from my POV even better and easier. I got
> the idea from
> someone else (don't remember who), but this is what I
> do:

> - I have a password protected account (will explain
> later why it is
> password protected) that I call 'Archive'.

> - This Archive account duplicates the folder tree
> structure of my main
> account. Actually, it just duplicates the folder I do
> want to archive.

> - In the Properties/General of each of the folders of
> my main account
> that I want to archive, I tick the option 'Keep
> messages in the vase for
> (days)' and enter the NN number of days.

> - In Properties/Deletion, I tick the 'Use folder
> specific deletion
> settings' option.

> - Then, for 'Alternative deletion' I select 'Move to
> the specified
> folder' and, of course, I browse to select the
> corresponding folder in
> the 'Archive account'.

> - And also tick the box for 'Use alternative deletion
> for purging this
> folder'.

> And that is it. As I have said, I do this in each of
> the folder I do
> want to archive. Now, when every night I run ?folder
> Maintenance with
> the Purge and Compress option, the 'old messages' in
> each folder are
> automagically moved to the corresponding folder in
> the Archive account.

> What's the benefit of doing this? Well, as I said at
> the beginning, the
> Archive account is password protected. This way, when
> you start TB, it
> will not open any password protected account and
> 'waste time' in opening
> each of it folders. Only when I need to find an
> archived message is when
> I select my Archive account, enter the password and
> open it.

> One other thing I do to easily remember which folders
> I have set up for
> 'automatic archiving' is to assign these folders to
> an 'Archive Colour
> Groups' (blue in my case). This way, I can easily see
> in my folder tree
> which folder do have an corresponding archive one.

> I'm really happy with this set-up.  



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Re: Gmail Imap Archive mails

[Tony Hoare]

Hello Susanne,

Saturday, March 3, 2018, 10:19:09 PM, you wrote:

> Hello,

> does someone have any advice how to accomplish this with a Gmail Imap account 
> in TB:

> I want to archive messages older than a certain date in TB, and delete them 
> in gmail.
> Is this possible with filters?

Where would you archive them to? If you are reaching your Gmail size 
limit, you'll need another account to move them to. This could be 
done with filters.

If you're not near the limit, you could create another folder called 
Archive and move the old emails there again using filters or even 
manually.

TB! does use offline storage for POP3 accounts so you might be able to 
do something creative there.

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Gmail Imap Archive mails

[Susanne]

Hello,

does someone have any advice how to accomplish this with a Gmail Imap account 
in TB:

I want to archive messages older than a certain date in TB, and delete them in 
gmail.
Is this possible with filters?
  

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Re: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Goos]

>> I  am  resurrecting this old thread as after a long period of access to
>> my  GMAIL  account  via  TB!  I bought a "smartphone" It told me some
>> unauthorized  access  had  been  attempted  from outside my area and to
>> change  the  password.

> Just a remark: This happens to me often. Not only when I use a new
> device but also when I log in from another country, and I travel a
> lot.
> You don't need to change your password. Just confirm "It was me." Then
> all is fine.

This happens to me too, also in almost all social media. and it is not
because I travel, but because I use VPN.  Such confirmations are just
short, nonetheless, it is annoying getting that every day, even more
if you your e.g. a PC, a tablet and a phone which use different VPN
servers.

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Re[3]: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Chris,

On Friday, December 1, 2017,  you wrote:


> Hello Adrian,

> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017,  you wrote:

>> Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 7:35:41 PM, you wrote:

>>> Is it possible to read and post
>>> messages from within TB

>> It  certainly is possible. I only used the gmail website to create the
>> account  in  the  first  place  and  occasionaly  for  "website  login
>> required" errors (see below). You need to look in the settings there and 
>> enable POP.

>> In The Bat, just create an account like any other.

>> SMTP = smtp.gmail.com
>>secure to regular (startTLS)
>>port 587

>> POP =  pop.gmail.com
>>secure to dedicated (TLS)
>>port 995

>> Keep  an  eye  on  the  account log. If your IP address for the actual
>> Internet  connection changes, you get "website login required" errors.
>> That  will  probably  happen  the  first  time.  Then  just  login  at
>> www.gmail.com and logout again. Then your email client will work.

>> You  might  have to set "allow access for insecure apps" somewhere when
>> actually  logged in to gmail in a web browser, but if this happens you
>> should only have to do it once.

>> Adrian


>> 
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> I  am  resurrecting this old thread as after a long period of access to
> my  GMAIL  account  via  TB!  I bought a "smartphone" It told me some
> unauthorized  access  had  been  attempted  from outside my area and to
> change  the  password.  I did this and whilst i can access the account
> via  the web, TB! has now stopped sending or receiving may via GMAIL. I
> checked that the allow less secure apps was still active. Every time I
> try and connect via TB! I get the box in the second image. My settings
> are as before, save for the change of password which I have re entered
> several  times  with  great  care.  Any ideas please? the "smartphone"
> connects fine. Thanks! Oh, and I have put up an image of the log, too,
> the third image.


> http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail1.jpg


> http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail2.jpg


> http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail3.jpg

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Sorry to reply to my own mail, but I returned to the GMAIL web
interface and turned allow usage of less secure apps on and of a few
times, and finally left it on again. After a few mails from GMAIL
warning of the changes all is now well. It was definitely "ON" before,
but for whatever reason it didn't seem to take, unless the smartphone
is automagically changing it when it connects. But for now TB! is once
again accessing the account for both fetch and send, apologies for the
waste of bandwidth!











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Re: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Chris,

On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 13:49:13 + GMT (01-Dec-17, 20:49 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

 [snip for brevity]

> I  am  resurrecting this old thread as after a long period of access to
> my  GMAIL  account  via  TB!  I bought a "smartphone" It told me some
> unauthorized  access  had  been  attempted  from outside my area and to
> change  the  password.

Just a remark: This happens to me often. Not only when I use a new
device but also when I log in from another country, and I travel a
lot.

You don't need to change your password. Just confirm "It was me." Then
all is fine.

> I did this and whilst i can access the account via the web, TB! has
> now stopped sending or receiving may via GMAIL. I checked that the
> allow less secure apps was still active. Every time I try and
> connect via TB! I get the box in the second image. My settings are
> as before, save for the change of password which I have re entered
> several times with great care. Any ideas please? the "smartphone"
> connects fine. Thanks! Oh, and I have put up an image of the log,
> too, the third image.

> http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail1.jpg

You are publishing your email address. I hope you have a good spam
filter.

> http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail2.jpg

Instead of using that function, go to Account / Properties / Transport
and change the password there. Let us know whether it solves the
problem.

> http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail3.jpg

I would like to see the full error log. Can you maximise that window?

> "Using The Bat! v5.8.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1"

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Re[2]: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Adrian,

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017,  you wrote:

> Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 7:35:41 PM, you wrote:

>> Is it possible to read and post
>> messages from within TB

> It  certainly is possible. I only used the gmail website to create the
> account  in  the  first  place  and  occasionaly  for  "website  login
> required" errors (see below). You need to look in the settings there and 
> enable POP.

> In The Bat, just create an account like any other.

> SMTP = smtp.gmail.com
>secure to regular (startTLS)
>port 587

> POP =  pop.gmail.com
>secure to dedicated (TLS)
>port 995

> Keep  an  eye  on  the  account log. If your IP address for the actual
> Internet  connection changes, you get "website login required" errors.
> That  will  probably  happen  the  first  time.  Then  just  login  at
> www.gmail.com and logout again. Then your email client will work.

> You  might  have to set "allow access for insecure apps" somewhere when
> actually  logged in to gmail in a web browser, but if this happens you
> should only have to do it once.

> Adrian


> 
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I  am  resurrecting this old thread as after a long period of access to
my  GMAIL  account  via  TB!  I bought a "smartphone" It told me some
unauthorized  access  had  been  attempted  from outside my area and to
change  the  password.  I did this and whilst i can access the account
via  the web, TB! has now stopped sending or receiving may via GMAIL. I
checked that the allow less secure apps was still active. Every time I
try and connect via TB! I get the box in the second image. My settings
are as before, save for the change of password which I have re entered
several  times  with  great  care.  Any ideas please? the "smartphone"
connects fine. Thanks! Oh, and I have put up an image of the log, too,
the third image.


http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail1.jpg


http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail2.jpg


http://www.gatesgarth.com/gmail3.jpg

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Re[2]: TB! throwing up root certificate issue window on GMAIL account

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Jernej,

On Monday, August 21, 2017,  you wrote:

> On Sunday, August 20, 2017, 19:43:14, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> I  don't  see  that  option  in this version of TB!, perhaps it's only
>> available in later ones? Thanks for the reply.

> Look for "S/MIME and TLS" menu item, it should be there.





Found it, changed it, and the issue seems resolved, many thanks to you
Jernej!




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Re: TB! throwing up root certificate issue window on GMAIL account

[Jernej Simončič]

On Sunday, August 20, 2017, 19:43:14, Chris Wilson wrote:

> I  don't  see  that  option  in this version of TB!, perhaps it's only
> available in later ones? Thanks for the reply.

Look for "S/MIME and TLS" menu item, it should be there.

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Re[2]: TB! throwing up root certificate issue window on GMAIL account

[Chris Wilson]

On Sunday, August 20, 2017,  you wrote:

> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, 15:39:50, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Can someone more knowledgeable than I suggest what's happening and how
>> to solve it please? Thanks. Apologies if it's not a Bat! problem, help
>> still welcome!

> Make sure you've set up TB to use Windows Certificate Store, and not
> it's own.


Hello Jernej,

I  don't  see  that  option  in this version of TB!, perhaps it's only
available in later ones? Thanks for the reply.






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Re: TB! throwing up root certificate issue window on GMAIL account

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, 15:39:50, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Can someone more knowledgeable than I suggest what's happening and how
> to solve it please? Thanks. Apologies if it's not a Bat! problem, help
> still welcome!

Make sure you've set up TB to use Windows Certificate Store, and not
it's own.

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TB! throwing up root certificate issue window on GMAIL account

[Chris Wilson]

19 August 2017



A  while  ago this list helped me successfully set up TB! to work with
my  new  GMAIL  account as well as my old "normal" POP3 e-mail account
with  a  different  ISP  (Zen  Internet  UK). All worked fine for some
months  but in the last few days when TB! polls the GMAIL server I get
the error window in this link:

http://www.gatesgarth.com/root.jpg

Can someone more knowledgeable than I suggest what's happening and how
to solve it please? Thanks. Apologies if it's not a Bat! problem, help
still welcome!


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Re[2]: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Chris Wilson]

Hello MFPA,

On Saturday, March 25, 2017,  you wrote:

> Hi


> On Wednesday 22 March 2017 at 2:57:10 PM, in
> , Chris Wilson wrote:-


>> I
>> set  the GMAIL account to allow access to insecure
>> apps, but I may try
>> and set it to OFF again and see if it is vital to
>> connectivity. 

> That setting is required due to Google trying to subvert one of the 
> connection protocols by adding their own proprietary extension that 
> almost no mail applications understand.



>> As  an aside, I am using an old V 5.8.10 TB!. I am
>> quite happy with it
>> save for one thing that really bugs me. If I am
>> reading a message in a
>> pre  view  pane  and  a  new  message  arrives  in 
>> that  folder, I am
>> immediately  slung  out of it and the message is
>> marked read. Does the
>> current version have this, to me, annoying trait?

> I have never seen that, but I jumped from v4.0.38 to v7.x. I don't 
> know if it is a bug in particular versiond, or the result of some 
> configuration setting.

> There might be a later version you are able to upgrade to on your 
> existing licence - check Help | About. The next version above 5.8.10 
> that is on Ritlabs's Archived Versions page [0] is 6.0.12.

> [0] <https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php>.


OK,  thanks  for the explanation re the GMAIL setting, I'll leave well
alone,  and  re  the later versions of TB! You have been most helpful,
thanks again.






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Re: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 22 March 2017 at 2:57:10 PM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:-


> I
> set  the GMAIL account to allow access to insecure
> apps, but I may try
> and set it to OFF again and see if it is vital to
> connectivity. 

That setting is required due to Google trying to subvert one of the 
connection protocols by adding their own proprietary extension that 
almost no mail applications understand.



> As  an aside, I am using an old V 5.8.10 TB!. I am
> quite happy with it
> save for one thing that really bugs me. If I am
> reading a message in a
> pre  view  pane  and  a  new  message  arrives  in 
> that  folder, I am
> immediately  slung  out of it and the message is
> marked read. Does the
> current version have this, to me, annoying trait?

I have never seen that, but I jumped from v4.0.38 to v7.x. I don't 
know if it is a bug in particular versiond, or the result of some 
configuration setting.

There might be a later version you are able to upgrade to on your 
existing licence - check Help | About. The next version above 5.8.10 
that is on Ritlabs's Archived Versions page [0] is 6.0.12.

[0] <https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php>.


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Re[2]: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Adrian,

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017,  you wrote:

> Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 7:35:41 PM, you wrote:

>> Is it possible to read and post
>> messages from within TB

> It  certainly is possible. I only used the gmail website to create the
> account  in  the  first  place  and  occasionaly  for  "website  login
> required" errors (see below). You need to look in the settings there and 
> enable POP.

> In The Bat, just create an account like any other.

> SMTP = smtp.gmail.com
>secure to regular (startTLS)
>port 587

> POP =  pop.gmail.com
>secure to dedicated (TLS)
>port 995

> Keep  an  eye  on  the  account log. If your IP address for the actual
> Internet  connection changes, you get "website login required" errors.
> That  will  probably  happen  the  first  time.  Then  just  login  at
> www.gmail.com and logout again. Then your email client will work.

> You  might  have to set "allow access for insecure apps" somewhere when
> actually  logged in to gmail in a web browser, but if this happens you
> should only have to do it once.

> Adrian

Thanks  for  all the well detailed replies, I am happy to say I am now
able  to  read  and write e-mail to my GMAIL account from within TB! I
set  the GMAIL account to allow access to insecure apps, but I may try
and set it to OFF again and see if it is vital to connectivity. Thanks
again everyone!

As  an aside, I am using an old V 5.8.10 TB!. I am quite happy with it
save for one thing that really bugs me. If I am reading a message in a
pre  view  pane  and  a  new  message  arrives  in  that  folder, I am
immediately  slung  out of it and the message is marked read. Does the
current version have this, to me, annoying trait?

All the best.



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Re: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Adrian Godfrey]

Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 7:35:41 PM, you wrote:

> Is it possible to read and post
> messages from within TB

It  certainly is possible. I only used the gmail website to create the
account  in  the  first  place  and  occasionaly  for  "website  login
required" errors (see below). You need to look in the settings there and enable 
POP.

In The Bat, just create an account like any other.

SMTP = smtp.gmail.com
   secure to regular (startTLS)
   port 587

POP =  pop.gmail.com
   secure to dedicated (TLS)
   port 995

Keep  an  eye  on  the  account log. If your IP address for the actual
Internet  connection changes, you get "website login required" errors.
That  will  probably  happen  the  first  time.  Then  just  login  at
www.gmail.com and logout again. Then your email client will work.

You  might  have to set "allow access for insecure apps" somewhere when
actually  logged in to gmail in a web browser, but if this happens you
should only have to do it once.

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Re: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Chris,

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 you wrote:

CW> 21 March 2017

CW> Due to a blacksheep.org mailing list suddenly, after some years,
CW> deciding posts from my normal POP3 mail account and service provider
CW> have a high SPAM count and bouncing them I have had to subscribe using
CW> a newly created GMAIL account. Is it possible to read and post
CW> messages from within TB! as i hate using a web browser for e-mail? if
CW> so a brief guide treating me as an imbecile would be much appreciated
CW> ;) Thanks!

I don't remember the exact steps but you start at ACCOUNT>NEW and fill in the
blanks. I have had a GMAIL account within TB! for a number of years now with no
problem. My menu bar at the top of the window has an icon to GET NEW MAIL with a
drop-down arrow next to it. Clicking on the arrow will give you the option of
fetching mail from your primary account or fetching from all accounts at once.

HTH.

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Re: GMAIL account using The Bat!

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 21 March 2017 at 6:35:41 PM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:-



> I have had
> to subscribe using
> a newly created GMAIL account. 

Gmail is just one of many possible service providers.


> Is it possible to read
> and post
> messages from within TB!


Yes. 

On the google website, log into your account. Find a setting (in account
access and security settings) with the ever-so-slightly loaded name of
"access for less secure apps", and make sure it is turned ON. 

Also on the gmail website, go to your mail account and click 
"settings" (which might be a sprocket wheel logo). Follow the link to 
"Forwarding and POP/IMAP". You need to enable POP or IMAP access, or 
both. 

In The Bat!, my current gmail settings are:-

SMTP server: smtp.gmail.com
Connection: Secure to Regular Port (STARTTLS)
Port: 25 (you might need to use 26 or 465 or 587)
Authentication: Tick in Box for "Perform SMTP Authorisation (RFC2554)"
"same user/password as for mail retrieval" selected.

Mail Server:  pop.gmail.com (you could use IMAP instead)
User:   Recent:myUsername 
Password:   xxx
Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS)
Port:   995 (you might need to use 993)
Authentication: Regular









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GMAIL account using The Bat!

[Chris Wilson]

21 March 2017



Due to a blacksheep.org mailing list suddenly, after some years,
deciding posts from my normal POP3 mail account and service provider
have a high SPAM count and bouncing them I have had to subscribe using
a newly created GMAIL account. Is it possible to read and post
messages from within TB! as i hate using a web browser for e-mail? if
so a brief guide treating me as an imbecile would be much appreciated
;) Thanks!


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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[MAU]

Hello Susanne,

>>  I wonder if you could
>> mention all the settings/ports/etc. you're using for both incoming and
>> outgoing mail on that account? Thanks!
>
> Sure!
> SMTP Server:
> smtp.gmail.com 
> Secure to dedicated Port (TLS) Port 465

That is my setting and I don' recall having any problem.

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Thursday, March 9, 2017, 1:27:15 PM, you wrote:

> Been using port 26 for years and still do.

587 usually works as well.

Just a bit strange that they block port 25 when you are using the SMTP
server from your own hosting/domain.
The   ones I have come across (prepaid SIM card in a 3G wifi router or
USB 3G modem) don't seem to have their own SMTP servers
anyway.

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Re[2]: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Paul Van Noord]

3/9/2017  7:25 AM

Hi Adrian,

On 3/9/2017 Adrian Godfrey wrote:

AG> Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 11:43:34 PM, you wrote:

>>> I am surprised port 25 for SMTP works. That is
>>> blocked by many ISPs.

AG> A VPN fixes
AG> the  problem.  Otherwise,  you  have  to ask your hosting provider for
AG> alternatives to port 25.

Been using port 26 for years and still do.

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 11:43:34 PM, you wrote:

>> I am surprised port 25 for SMTP works. That is
>> blocked by many ISPs.

> I have been hearing that for years but never encountered it myself.

It  gets  particularly  irritating  when you use the SMTP£ server from
your own domain, but your actual Internet connection is not your fixed
line DSL at home. In those cases (e.g. hotel wifi, SIM card in a 3G/4G
router), if you can find what the SMTP server
is,  then  port 25 works, but some don't seem to have one. A VPN fixes
the  problem.  Otherwise,  you  have  to ask your hosting provider for
alternatives to port 25.

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 23:43:34, MFPA wrote:

> I have been hearing that for years but never encountered it myself. 

I know of several ISPs that do it, and I do it myself on the networks
I manage (especially those that are intended for [more or less]
general public).

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Susanne]

Hello MFPA,

Monday, March 6, 2017, 11:48:28 AM, you wrote:

> For mail retrieval to work, I also have to log onto gmail website 
> from time to time and either change my password or turn back on an 
> arcanely-named setting called "Allow less secure apps".

That is so strange! 
I've never had a problem like that with Gmail and TB-Imap or Pop.
Am I just lucky?

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 7 March 2017 at 9:43:06 AM, in
, Adrian Godfrey wrote:-


> I am surprised port 25 for SMTP works. That is
> blocked by many ISPs.

I have been hearing that for years but never encountered it myself. 

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Monday, March 6, 2017, 8:48:28 PM, you wrote:

> For mail retrieval to work, I also have to log onto gmail website

That   is   a   real   pain  and  rather defeats the point of an email
address.  Sometimes you have to do that if your active
Internet  connection  has a different IP address. Not difficult if you
travel and don't always use the same or even any VPN.

I am surprised port 25 for SMTP works. That is blocked by many ISPs.

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 6 March 2017 at 12:40:22 AM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


> Hello Melissa,

> Sunday, March 5, 2017, 4:19:45 PM, you wrote:

>>  I wonder if you could
>> mention all the settings/ports/etc. you're using
>> for both incoming and
>> outgoing mail on that account? Thanks!

> Sure!
> SMTP Server:
> smtp.gmail.com 
> Secure to dedicated Port (TLS) Port 465

> Mail Server:
> imap.gmail.com   Protocol IMAP4
> User: your email address
> Secure to dedicated Port (TLS) Port 993

> Under Authentication: same user/password as for mail
> retrieval

> I hope it helps!  


My current gmail settings are:-

SMTP server: smtp.gmail.com
Connection: Secure to Regular Port (STARTTLS)
Port: 25
Authentication: Tick in Box for "Perform SMTP Authorisation (RFC2554)"
"same user/password as for mail retrieval" selected.

Mail Server:  pop.gmail.com
User:   Recent:myUsername 
Password:   xxx
Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS)
Port:   995
Authentication: Regular


For mail retrieval to work, I also have to log onto gmail website 
from time to time and either change my password or turn back on an 
arcanely-named setting called "Allow less secure apps". (And if you 
are now wanting to retrieve messages via IMAP instead of POP3, check 
you have IMAP enabled in the mail settings on the gmail website. You 
can have both enabled.)


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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[jb_lists_tb]

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 12:19:45 AM, Melissa Reese wrote:

> I tried that, but it still didn't work for me. I wonder if you could
> mention all the settings/ports/etc. you're using for both incoming and
> outgoing mail on that account? Thanks!

Just  a  thought  - do you need to set up an app specific password for
TB on Gmail? I think that I had to do that at some point over the last
year or two in order to continue to use Gmail with TB.

I  am  using  the  same  connection  settings as the others, and these
worked before I upgrade to 7.x, so I don't think it is the TB version.

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Susanne]

Hello Melissa,

Sunday, March 5, 2017, 4:19:45 PM, you wrote:

>  I wonder if you could
> mention all the settings/ports/etc. you're using for both incoming and
> outgoing mail on that account? Thanks!

Sure!
SMTP Server:
smtp.gmail.com 
Secure to dedicated Port (TLS) Port 465

Mail Server:
imap.gmail.com   Protocol IMAP4
User: your email address
Secure to dedicated Port (TLS) Port 993

Under Authentication: same user/password as for mail retrieval


I hope it helps!





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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Susanne,

On Sunday, March 05, 2017, at 3:10:57 PM PST, you wrote:

> TLS works for me on a Gmail Imap account.

I tried that, but it still didn't work for me. I wonder if you could
mention all the settings/ports/etc. you're using for both incoming and
outgoing mail on that account? Thanks!


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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Susanne]

Sunday, March 5, 2017, 3:56:23 PM, MFPA wrote:

> You probably need to use TLS or STARTTLS, 

TLS works for me on a Gmail Imap account.

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Re: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 5 March 2017 at 11:46:57 PM, in
, Melissa Reese wrote:-


> incoming authorization
> (according to gmail) seems to want "SSL", which is
> not listed in the
> available authorization options for incoming mail. 

You probably need to use TLS or STARTTLS, but that is a connection 
method rather than an authorisation option. (I use POP3 for my gmail 
account, with "regular" authorisation.)


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Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

[Melissa Reese]

Hi,

I've always used pop3 for my accounts, but I have one new account that
would be more convenient if I could set it up via the IMAP protocol.

I tried to set up the account as IMAP, but the incoming authorization
(according to gmail) seems to want "SSL", which is not listed in the
available authorization options for incoming mail.  Do I need a v7.x
Bat to get that option?  Or will this v6.x version work as well?
Because...

I'm still using a v6.x Bat on this computer. My main computer, which
has v7.x installed, isn't working properly at the moment, so I've been
using this other computer for a few months. As far as I know, I
purchased two different licenses for the two computers, and I don't
think I can "upgrade" this Bat without purchasing a new license.

I'm wondering - since the Bat with the newer license is on a
misbehaving computer at the moment, could I somehow use that license
to upgrade this instance of Bat?

In any event, I'd like to know if there's a way to set up this new
gmail account as IMAP on this machine with Bat v6.x.

Thanks!

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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Tuesday, July 26, 2016, 12:53:16 AM, you wrote:

> They only use it if a fraudulent log-in was suspected. I'm not
> saying it's a great idea, but it's not a big problem over here.
> Happenes maybe twice a year, and I change IP addresses several times
> per month.

It's  a  pain  in  Europe  where  your  IP address can be in different
countries.  Admittedly a VPN would fix that, but not always practical,
for  example  a  3G wireless (or even with an Ethernet cable)  router  or USB 
stick rather than a fixed line DSL
connection.

If  you  are  getting mail to the recovery address, I need to find out
why that isn't happening for myself.

I  don't  use email on my Android phone or tablet, but they seem to be immune,
i.e.  no  notifications  when  the  IP  address changes to a different
country

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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Adrian,

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:00:21 +0200 GMT (25-Jul-16, 22:00 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> Monday, July 25, 2016, 3:02:14 PM, you wrote:

>>> Gmail  breaks  email clients every time you change your IP address.

>> Not true, I use Gmail on the laptop that I travel with. I rarely get
>> it blocked, but if it happens I am informed that web login is required.

> That  is  definitely  breaking  an email client. Why should we need to
> start a web browser at all having set up Gmail to use POP?

They only use it if a fraudulent log-in was suspected. I'm not
saying it's a great idea, but it's not a big problem over here.
Happenes maybe twice a year, and I change IP addresses several times
per month.

> And  what  is  the  point  of  sending  that error message to an email
> address   that   Gmail  blocks  your  email  client  from reading? Why
> doesn't it use the recovery address or send an SMS?

As mentioned, they do send this to my other, non-Gmail address.

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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Monday, July 25, 2016, 3:02:14 PM, you wrote:

>> Gmail  breaks  email clients every time you change your IP address.

> Not true, I use Gmail on the laptop that I travel with. I rarely get
> it blocked, but if it happens I am informed that web login is required.

That  is  definitely  breaking  an email client. Why should we need to
start a web browser at all having set up Gmail to use POP?

And  what  is  the  point  of  sending  that error message to an email
address   that   Gmail  blocks  your  email  client  from reading? Why
doesn't it use the recovery address or send an SMS?  The Bat at
least  has  an account log, but not all email clients do or are not as
easy to find.

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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[MAU]

Hello Leonard,

> I am confident that the password is correct.
>
> What else can be the problem.

Just  in  case, take a look at this page (Allowing less secure apps to
access your account):

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en

I had to use it recently for one of my less used accounts.


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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Adrian,

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:07:08 +0200 GMT (25-Jul-16, 18:07 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> Monday, July 25, 2016, 12:52:21 PM, you wrote:

>> Otherwise, Gmail and Yahoo both from time to time randomly disable POP
>> and/or SMTP on an account and you have to log into their web interface
>> to fix it.

> Gmail  breaks  email clients every time you change your IP address.

Not true, I use Gmail on the laptop that I travel with. I rarely get
it blocked, but if it happens I am informed that web login is required.

> It doesn't even send an email to the recovery email address about
> this.

I receive the "web login required" email always on my recovery email
address.

> When  you  by  chance find the "web login required" in the error logs,
> there  are  actually mails sent to the address it won't let you access
> with  your  email  client  telling  you  it has been blocked! These of
> course  don't start arriving in your email client until after that web
> login!

They send the message to the Gmail address too.

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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Monday, July 25, 2016, 12:52:21 PM, you wrote:

> Otherwise, Gmail and Yahoo both from time to time randomly disable POP
> and/or SMTP on an account and you have to log into their web interface
> to fix it.

Gmail  breaks  email clients every time you change your IP address. It
doesn't even send an email to the recovery email address about this.
When  you  by  chance find the "web login required" in the error logs,
there  are  actually mails sent to the address it won't let you access
with  your  email  client  telling  you  it has been blocked! These of
course  don't start arriving in your email client until after that web
login!

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Re: Trouble connecting to Gmail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 23 July 2016 at 11:30:04 PM, in
, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:


> My account is working. It is my wife's Gmail account
> that is not

> working

[snipped]

> I am confident that the password is correct.

> What else can be the problem.


If there is any difference between your Gmail account settings in TB! 
and your wife's, apart from usernames and passwords, that would 
perhaps explain it. 

Otherwise, Gmail and Yahoo both from time to time randomly disable POP
and/or SMTP on an account and you have to log into their web interface
to fix it.





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