Re: The "Synchronise" function

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, December 10, 2007, 5:40:12 PM, Chris Wilson wrote:

>   I need to synchronise my notebook PC, which currently has a fresh
> Windows install but has not yet had TB! loaded, and my desktop PC which
> has had TB! on for years. I have read the Help file, but am still
> confused, sorry. Can someone run through what I need to do, over a hard
> wired LAN, to get a mirror copy of TB! on the notebook, and then sync
> the 2 daily, again over the LAN, and with it being possible either the
> notebook OR the PC has the more up to date e-mail and stuff within TB!
> at the time of synchronising? Thanks.  I am using 3.99.29 under Windows
> 2000

I use the synchronize function between my PC and Laptop to bring my
laptop up to date before I travel.

For the initial install, I would do a backup on the PC and a restore
onto the Laptop.  You may then need to change the Account settings if
you are using a different server when you are travelling.

I generally only do one-way synchronisation copying new mail from my
PC to my laptop. I have the PC set to delete mail on the server after
3 days, and the laptop to leave mail on the server and not delete. The
means that mail that I have received when away is downloaded onto me
PC.  The synchronisation is fairly crude, so I prefer to avoid
transferring back from my laptop to my PC.  This does mean that I have
sent mail on my laptop that is not on the PC, but I used MailBag
Assistant to make periodic archives of both mailbases to these
messages are available.

The synchronisation process is crude.  Specifically, it does not
delete mail, so if you clear lots of mail on the PC and then
synchronize it with the laptop, the corresponding mail will not be
deleted.  Worse, when you synchronize back to the PC, all the deleted
mail will reappear on the PC.  That is why I don't do it!

Finally, some terminology.  The first part of the synchronisation (1)
is done on the machine where you want to copy mail to (the laptop).
The second stage (2) is done on the PC, and the third (3) on the laptop. Allow
plenty of time!  I save all the synchronization files on a shared
folder on my PC which my laptop has access to, and do it across the
network.  If you have a large capacity USB memory stick then you could
use that.

Hope this helps.  Personally, if I were doing the synchronisation as
frequently as you are planning to, I would consider other options,
such as IMAP.  Others will be able to help here.

Julian

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Re: Signatures in plain-text viewer.

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, January 10, 2008, 5:31:44 PM, Nick Dutton wrote:

> Am I going mad, or did TB! used to give me the option to specify the
> text style for signature text? It does for sure in the html viewer.

Not in the plain text viewer.  If you de-select Use Plain Text View in
the right click menu of the Message Viewer then the signature text
will be whatever is specified in
Options|Preferences|Viewer/Editor|HTML/Windows Editor.

I use the plain text editor, but view in Windows mode to get the
text styles.

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NOD Antivirus Database 3119 (20080522) Identifying TheBat as a virus

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

Maybe just me (running TB on Vista), but since the update to the NOD
virus signature database a short while ago, TheBat is being flagged by
NOD as a virus when it accesses rundll32.exe as "Probably a variant of
Unknown virus".

I have reported to NOD.  Anyone else getting this?

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Re: NOD Antivirus Database 3119 (20080522) Identifying TheBat as a virus

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, May 22, 2008, 11:41:05 AM, A.Translator wrote:

> I am using NOD32 on Vista and just sent myself a message using TB!
> NOD didn't react, so perhaps it has been corrected. I do not have TheBat! as
> user-agent in my headings.

Not here.  It is now at Version 3120 but I have had to disable NOD to
allow me to do any work.  The NOD forum has lots of messages about the
issue, which not only affect TB, some games, but also Adobe Acrobat
and the Abobe CS3 applications.

Sadly there is no response from NOD on the forums to any of the
message, which hopefully means they are working hard on a solution.

Julian

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Re: NOD Antivirus Database 3119 (20080522) Identifying TheBat as a virus

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, May 22, 2008, 12:48:40 PM, A.Translator wrote:

> There is now. They are working on it. I also have a CS3 suite which works 
> fine,
> so not all NOD users are affected.

It is linked to ThreatSense, so if that is disabled then you will not
experience problems.  Database version 3121 is just out and solves the
problems, as far as I can tell.

Julian

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Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:47:28 AM, Chew Yoke Lim wrote:

> If  I have to send e-mail to the same group of people, such as members
> of a society of which I am a member, very often, is there a way of NOT
> having  to insert their addresses each time I send them an e-mail, but
> pick  up  all  the addresses from a "distribution list" I only have to
> create once?

I  think that you are looking at the Group feature in the addressbook.
You  will  see  in  the addressbook dialog for individuals there is an
entry  for  Group,  so you could define a group of society members and
then  use the mass mailing features to send messages to all members in
that Group.

There  is  more  information  in the help files which is worth reading
carefully as there are some choices about how groups interact with the
main addressbook.

Julian

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The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TBUDL,

I have been using TB! for many years (12+), but have been holding off
upgrading to Version 5 because of the various problems that I have
seen reported here and on TBBETA, particularly with IMAP. I have 9
IMAP accounts, including a GMail account, so I was worried about how
well v5 would work. I thought that those of you who have similar
concerns about v5 might be interested in the results.

With the latest new version notification (5.0.30) I decided to take
the plunge. I have been very pleased with the results. Everything
continued to work as it should and the differences that I have found
so far have been positive rather than negative. In fact, there are few
obvious differences in my normal use of the software - it looks and
operates almost exactly the same way.

So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that
TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is
that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to
the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however!

Julian

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Re: Mass mail using data from Excel

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, February 19, 2004, 9:09:07 AM, Neil wrote:

> So apart from import CSV into TB AB group then Run QT in TB from AB
> group to create email in Outbox there is no other way??

If you don't *have* to use TB!, what about other software to do this.
Have a look at http://mach5-mailer.com/products/mailer/features.php

There is a free version of this software, which limited the mailing to
200 messages per sessions, but that might be sufficient for you.

You could also try the following, which looks like it uses the default
MAPI email client:

http://www.j-walk.com/ss/excel/tips/tip86.htm
 

Julian

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Displaying the Euro Symbol

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I get mail from a daily news email that includes currency symbols.
Whilst the GBP and USD signs appear as they should, the Euro symbol
always appears as a code, as below:

> Eircom valued at up to €1.3bn after pricing
> 
> Eircom, Ireland's largest telecommunications operator, set a price
> range of €1.48 to €1.75 per share for its IPO, valuing the
> company at up to €1.26bn.

Is this a problem with the email message itself, the Character Set I
am viewing it in, or the font?

(Of course, if the problem is with my settings, then you may see Euro
symbols above, and not the code.  The code is & #8364; - I have
added a space after the & to stop it being interpreted.)


Julian

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Re: Displaying the Euro Symbol

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, March 5, 2004, 12:02:21 PM, David Stone wrote:

> Perhaps the original news item is written in HTML and then converted
> into text-only along the way. I think that the & #8364; is an HTML
> special code like & nbsp; is for non-breaking space.

That is the probable answer.  £ and $ are not special characters, so
would not need to be shown this way.  The ¤ sign appeared fine in your
message, so it suggests that it is a problem with the incoming email
message, rather than my settings.

Thanks!

Julian

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Re: Displaying the Euro Symbol

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, March 6, 2004, 9:11:28 AM, David Stone wrote:

> I did notice that the email from you showed the € as a square with
> spokes on each corner which I think is alt0164 ¤. Did you generate it
> with alt0164, or with alt-Gr 4 which is what I used?

€ is created with Crtl-Alt-4 and ¤ is created with alt0164.  € is
produced by AltGr-4.

Julian

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Re: Synchronizing Desktop with Notebook

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, March 19, 2004, 2:41:03 PM, Kevin Coates wrote:

> Ah, I think I understand now. So I needn't worry which machine I
> download mail with as long as I synchronize periodically. Thanks for
> the explanation.

The other thing to remember to TB! synch is that it is one way each
time, that is, when you run the first stage of the synch on the laptop
it compares the laptop with the PC and then copies any messages on the
PC but not the laptop onto the laptop, but will not copy messages not
on the PC from the laptop. This means that you will have to run the
synch twice to get a full synchronisation of both machines.  The other
thing to note is that the process only copies files, but does not
delete, so if you have deleted a load of messages on the laptop, and
then run a PC, they won't be deleted from the PC and could be copied
back to the laptop.

Julian

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Re: Synchronize?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, April 19, 2004, 6:44:30 AM, Susanne wrote:

> Well, we now both have the same version of TB, but the
> synchronizing *still* doesn't work.

> Did the steps I described in my first mail sound correct, or
> am I doing something wrong there?

The steps you list sound correct.  There are a couple of things you
could check:

- Are all the accounts you want to synchronize selected?  It sounds
obvious, but I missed an account on a few occasions!

- Synchronisation will only work between identical folder structures and
it will not, as far as I know, create folders on the destination
machine if they do not already exist.  The same appears to go for
accounts.

- You need to make sure that both machines are using the same files!  I
spent a frustrating 1/2 hour on one occasion wondering why my new
messages would not appear on the target machine until I realised that
I had not connected the network cable, so the machine was using an old
synchronisation file!

Hope this helps.

Julian

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Re: I have a problem..

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, April 23, 2004, 3:06:18 AM, malexander wrote:

> I use Second Copy too. But I have it set to do a continuous back up
> (well, almost) every 20 mins and that includes my message base.

The problem with this is that you do not have a history to roll back
to, for example, you delete some vital messages from the message base,
but don't realise for 1 day. By then, your backup will have been
over-written several times.

I use 12-Ghosts Backup for things that I need a history of.  You can
set items to continuously back up, creating a copy once a minute,
hour, day, week and month.  This means I have a history of revisions
going back as far as I want.  This could be difficult with a complete
message base (unless you have a *very* big hard disk), but you could do
it on a particular account or folder.

http://12ghosts.com/ghosts/backup.htm

Julian

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Re: download progress indicator

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, May 12, 2004, 2:55:04 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> That happened to me too, while downloading a 33 MB message with
> 2.04.07  Don't know whether it worked with previous versions, since my
> messages are generally being downloaded without any human
> supervision.

Is this linked to your anti-virus software? I get the same, but I
think that the progress bar is triggered when the message is first
"seen" by TB! but that TB! does not get the rest of the messsage from
the antivirus software (in my case Norton AntiVirus 2004) until the
antivirus software has downloaded the whole thing and scanned it.

Julian

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Re: Help! Disappearing address book.

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, May 14, 2004, 9:41:24 AM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> The only thing I can imagine is that it's placed outside of your
> desktop. Have you (or somebody else on your pc) been playing with the
> screen resolution?

Mac have a utility available called DragAnyWindow which allows
off-sreen windows to be easily found and dragged back into view.
There does not seem to be anything similar available for Windows, for
which there seems to be an equal need!

Does the Registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Address
selector have anything to do with the window position? It appears to
have a set of window co-ordinates. Mine are currently (in decimal)

Height 362
Left 302
Separation 249
Top 250
Width 548

Julian

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Re: Problem with Initials in replies

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, May 15, 2004, 5:00:54 PM, rich gregory wrote:

> I'll not use that one! BUT I do need one like that... I also have
> bracketed text added to my subject line that always needs to be
> removed when I from reply.

Is that the "[2]" as in "Re[2]: Problem with Initials in replies"?  If
so, you can turn this off for the account in question by going to
Account Properties, then Templates|Reply and unticking "Use reply
numbering in the subject line".  I am not sure of the purpose of this
option, which seems to be turned on by default, but it quickly becomes
confusing.

Julian

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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 10:44:06 PM, Chris wrote:

> I'll have to agree with you. Now if The Bat! had a built-in browser...

...we could call it Outlook!

Julian

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Re: X-Ray: why?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 8:14:25 AM, Michael L. Wilson wrote:

> Someone told me I should be using X-Ray if I use the Bat.  I have
> downloaded it and configured it a little, and now I need to ask why?
> What does it really do for me?  Anyone have any good Kludge filters to
> use with it?  Why shuffle SMTP and POP servers?  Any ideas?

There are two reasons you might wish to use X-Ray.  One is that is
allows you to modify the headers in your email messages - it is a
quite sophisticated program in this respect.

The other reason is if you are using TB! on a laptop, for example, and
may need to send messages through a variety of SMTP servers. In this
case you tell TB that the SMTP server is Localhost (X-Ray) and X-Ray
can either manually or automatically choose the SMTP server. For
example, I used X-Ray to choose between a Work (Exchange), Home (DSL)
and Mobile (Dial-up) SMTP server, which it did automatically depending
on the IP address the laptop had been allocated.

I don't do this now, as my ISP has an option of Authenticated SMTP, so
I can send mail through my ISP's SMTP servers whichever network I am
connected to.

Hope this helps!

[ps - your sig delimited is broken.  It should be [dash][dash][space]

Julian

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Re: Get rid of X-mailer header.

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 11:55:47 AM, nednieuws|charles wrote:

> Is there a way to do it?

Yes, Options|Preferences|General and deselect Show X-Mailer Heading in
Messages.  This is a global setting, so affects all accounts.


Julian

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Re: Access Violation

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 12:54:28 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

> Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. It should open and I confirm your
> problem. Seems like a bug. Can anyone else confirm this. I'll bring it
> up on TBBETA

I cannot confirm this. Double-clicking on the HTML file results in the
opening warning. If I choose YES (to save the file) I can then open it
in my browser (Mozilla) and it will open the message and the remote
images, showing the local file location as the URL
(file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/*.*/My%20Documents/Message.html).
Answering NO will open the message in Mozilla and get the remote
images, but shows TB's temp directory as the URL
(file:///C:/DOCUME~1/*~1.***/LOCALS~1/Temp/bat/4C6370E5.html).
Perhaps it is an IE problem?

Julian

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Re: Access Violation

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:59:34 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

> Ok. Your not confirming hastened my efforts to check further. I
> changed my default browser from Netcaptor to Opera and it works now.

Is the problem with Message.html attachments that you open directly
from TB (without saving first) or do you get the same problem with
messages that you have previously saved?  If the latter, then it would
suggest that it is a system default browser problem rather than TB! as
TB! would not be involved.

Julian

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Re: Import from Outlook fails

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, June 17, 2004, 12:08:39 PM, Armin Mutscheller wrote:

> I'm evaluating TB and would LOVE to use it as an alternative to Outlook,
> but for some reason I'm unable to import existing Outlook folders and
> messages. When I select an Outlook folder for import, TB starts working
> really hard and displays a progress bar. It also creates the respective
> folder structure in the file system, as well as in the Account pane, but
> when the import is complete all of these folders remain empty. The
> number of messages to import makes no difference. Apparently this
> behaviour occurs only when an MS Exchange server is present. On another
> system, with Outlook running as a stand-alone application, all Outlook
> folders are imported properly.

What you could try is importing the data via Outlook Express.  It is
not as simple as a direct import, but the transfer between Outlook
and Outlook is painless.

I am not sure why there should be a problem with Exchange, but is
guess the problem is that the message storage if you are using Outlook
with Exchange is different, and messages and data are held on the
server, rather than locally.

Julian

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Re: Downloading e-mail on to second computer

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, June 17, 2004, 9:34:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thebat.exe is located in The Bat subdirectoy of the program directory. (I
> think!)   I will try your suggestions, but, unfortunately, it will have to
> wait as the desktop is fully dismantled due to a flood in our basement
> office and it (the desktop) does not have wireless capability.  I expect
> the desktop to be back up and running in about two weeks. In the meantime,
> I can access TBUDL through other channels.

I have installed TB! in circumstances similar to yours without
problems. In my case I keep all my downloaded files in a shared folder
on my PC, which is accessible to other computers (laptops) on a peer
to peer network which connects through an ADSL Router.

In think that given the problems you are having, I would be tempted to
download the TB! installation program direct from Ritlabs to your
laptop and install from there. It sounds a bit like you have copied
the TB executable to the laptop, rather than the installation package,
which is why you are having problems.

Julian

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Re: questions/suggestions for the bat...

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, June 20, 2004, 12:07:44 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

> X-Ray , a little utility for The Bat! has the
> ability to choose SMTP server to use based on your machine's IP
> address. Could that help?

I used x-ray for this purpose on my laptop, but found that after some
changes to the network at the office, which uses Exchange, the
connection to the smtp server for the office was always rejected when
it went via X-Ray, although it worked perfectly when I entered exactly
the same information directly into TB!s smtp settings.

I have since found that my ISP offers SMTPAUTH for use when not
directly connected to the ISP's network, so I use this on the laptop.
This is very convenient, as I can send mail via my ISP however I am
connecting to the internet.

Julian

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Re: What toes this tick mean?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, June 20, 2004, 3:28:23 PM, Alexander Gladilin wrote:

> There was an attachment with a picture (<1KB), but it has disappeared!
> I  mean  a  tick  on  the field "message flags": there is a picture of
> letter with a tick at the right top corner.

It means that the message has been signed using PGP MIME or SMIME. You
will see a corresponding tick in the message header section of the
preview pane (the far right), and you will get details of the
signature if you click on this, assuming you have the relevant
software (PGP) installed.

Julian

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Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, July 1, 2004, 8:50:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If anyone has the energy and perspicacity to see their way through the
> trials and tribulations I have been through I would welcome realistic
> advice.

I have had a look through, and I am not sure if my arrangement will
help.

I have a similar situation, with a Desktop PC and a Laptop. I use the
laptop whilst travelling, and this can use a variety of SMTP settings
depending on where I am accessing the internet from (office LAN,
mobile, or home network).

My current arrangement is to synchronize all messages from the desktop
to the laptop whenever i go away.  This ensures that i have all the
messages that I send and received on my desktop machine are with me
when I go away.

I have set both machines to leave messages on the server for 3 days,
which ensures that I get the messages to both machines, and in
particular that I can leave both machines running and still collect
mail on the laptop.

If there are sent messages that I need to transfer from the laptop to
the desktop, then I occasionally do a reserve synch of sent messages
from the laptop to the desktop.

I keep the desktop clear of old messages, and occasionally backup the
desktop installation, and reinstall it onto the laptop, which brings
the messages back into synch.  This does mean I lose the laptop
account settings, so I don't do it very often.

I find this arrangement quite workable.  It would be better to have
true synchronisation (I use Laplink, but it does not sound like it
works at the level of the software you use), as it would deal with
deleted mail, but even Laplink struggles with this, and will attempt
to recopy deleted files and folders.

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Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, July 1, 2004, 9:55:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> But don't you the have emails that have been deleted from the DT but
> are still on the LT?

That is why I occasionally restore a backup from the desktop onto the
laptop, as this gets the message bases back into synch.

> What is a 'reserve synch' - do you mean you individually select
> folders for synching - i.e: just the 'Sent Mail' folders? If yes: then
> that's a bit of a pain for 35+ accounts.

I do, but I don't have a large number of accounts (about 10) and I
don't do it very often.

> By 'reinstall' you mean Registry entries and the 'MAIL' directory?

The built-in backup routine does not include the Registry entries, so
I just restore the mail folders.  I suppose that I could do this by
copying the mail directories (or even using Laplink).  One problem is
that this process usually resets the filters, so they have to be
re-pointed at the correct folders again.

> Interesting, but how does LapLink keep track of what's been deleted so
> it knows to delete it from the other machine?

It does not, so it will try to copy back across the messages that have
been deleted from the laptop.  Laplink does true synchronisation, so
will copy either way depending on timestamps and its own database of
synch'd files.


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Re: Table formatting

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, July 5, 2004, 7:50:39 AM, Allister Jenks wrote:

> My point was that Office is a less than ideal choice. But then if it
> works for you, I see no reason you shouldn't use it.  Just be aware that
> Office is as much an HTML editor by design as TB!.

This reminds me of the following, which was posted by Thomas on TBOT
back in the mists of time:

On Friday, August 2, 2002, 7:46:43 PM, Thomas F. wrote:

> FAQ on the web page developers' site:

> Q: How do I protect my work so that people cannot copy the code?

> A: You can't. But if you use FrontPage, nobody will *want* to copy it.

Insert your favourite Office application in place of FrontPage. :-)


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Re: Bat! taking 100% resources

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, July 20, 2004, 1:57:33 PM, John Phillips wrote:

> Because of this can't download mail without Bat! crashing.

> This problem just started.

> Any clues at all?

One of the common causes of problems with 100% resource usage is
BayesIT.  If you are using it, try disabling it and see if that makes
a difference.  Sometimes you will have to remove it from your system
to get rid of the effects.

It you have a search in the archive, you will find similar threads
covering solutions in more detail.  I hope you find a solution.

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Re: Playing with BayesIT macros

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, August 3, 2004, 6:22:50 AM, Michael L. Wilson wrote:

> I have been playing with BayesIT macros to create statistics on the
> bottom of this email.

Don't forget that Netiquette dictates that the length of the sig
should be 4-5 lines maximum. The length of your sig, particularly once
you have added BayesIT data, is well in excess of this.

Users of TB! and the RTV may not notice this, but not everyone uses
TB!, and these unfortunate people will see many lines of sig, which
they will have to manually chop in replies.


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Ritlabs News Bounce Messages (WAS: Re: emails are getting complicated)

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, September 3, 2004, 8:53:06 AM, Tom Duda wrote:

> This all began when I purchased a license for  The Bat! v3.0. I
> received in good time both expected emails, inluding the one with my
> registration keys. Then I received a third email telling me that
> because a sertain staff member was on vacation the email that I'd
> written to him had been forwareded to someone else.

These messages are not being sent in response to any message that you
have sent to the Ritlabs News mailing list.  They are coming from the
Ritlabs News mailing list, which you must have subscribed to when you
said you wanted to be sent news and annoucements from Ritlabs.

What is happening is that bounced messages to the RitLabs News mailing
list address are being sent back out to the whole mailing list. This
seems to be because these messages (I have had 3) are being bounced to
the From: address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and not the
Sender address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

You can either blame the RitLabs News mailing list setup, which
probably should not be possible to reply to as the messages should
only come from Ritlabs and not from members of the list, or you can
blame the people who are bouncing messages back to the list address
and not the bounced mail address.

The evils of "Out of Office" replies!

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Version 3 Bug?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I have been using version 3 (Pro) for a couple of days. Overall, it is
good, particularly the new file system, and worth buying a few upgrade
licences for (IMO).

I have found a problem with a new filter I have created (for TBBETA).
The filter is an Incoming filter, and moves incoming TBBETA messages to my
mailing lists email account into the TBBETA folder. However, when a
message arrives, the selected (active) folder view jumps from whatever
I was reading at the time to the inbox of the JBLists account. This is
OK if I am not doing anything at the time, but irritating if I am
looking through another folder (in another account) when the focus
moves.

I have also noticed that the mail ticker flashes up very briefly when
the message arrives in the account Inbox (where the ticker is enabled)
and then disappears again as the message is filtered to the TBBETA
folder (where the ticker is not enables. This does not happen for any
other messages.

Can anyone confirm these, or have I missed a setting somewhere? I have
only been subscribed to TBBETA for a day, so if there were any
messages before about these problems, I will have missed them.

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Re: Help! Connection Centre--can't send or receive mail

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 9:38:39 AM, Nick Dutton wrote:

> Have you tried telnet?  It's always my first step when having
> problems like this.

Or you could try something like Popcorn, which is a small email client
which works with mail on the server - a bit like an advanced Message
Despatcher.

There used to be a freeware version which unlimited accounts (which I
might be able to find and send you).  It now costs USD20 and the
freeware version is limited to one account.  Still useful for
emergencies, however.

http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/


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Re: More than six accounts: check fails over six

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, October 14, 2004, 11:07:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Having got v3.0.1.33 and running POPFile I find the same problem over
> checking more than six email accounts occurs.

> I.e: TB log reports 'could not connect to mail server' for any more
> than six accounts being checked at the same time.

> Can anyone offer a way round this? I have to check all accounts
> individually to be sure all have been checked.

Is this a problem with Popfile rather than TB?  I can check 11
accounts at the same time without problems using TB! and SpamPal.

Julian

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Re: Mail aliases

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, September 30, 2004, 4:29:56 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> OK. But nevertheless, the way TB! handles alias addresses could be improved
> IMHO. There should be an easier way to pick alias addresses (if you have
> many and switch them often) other than selecting a folder that has the
> correct identity (which sounds like a workaround to me).

Try Options|Active Account in the message editor window, or right
click on the account name shown in the status bar at the bottom of the
message editor window.  If you change the account before you enter any
text into the body of the message, it will apply the new default
account template/sig.

Julian

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Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, October 5, 2004, 11:36:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Unfortunately, it's increasingly looking likely that I'm the only
> one (so far) suffering from this problem. I guess it doesn't look
> too hopeful I'll be able to resolve it.  :(

No, I tried generating a self-cert certificate and it failed for the
same reason, so you are not alone.  I too am using the Pro version, so
maybe the problem is as you and Marck have suggested.

Do you want to post a bug report and post the details here so I can
support it?

Julian

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Re: Empty Mail

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 11:44:19 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> HEY!! Anyone else reading this thread who's seen TB empty a mail on
> delivery? I've not seen that happen. Nobody's leaping in to say "yeah,
> TB always does that". If somebody can support one or other side of
> this debate it would help.

I have not seen TB empty a mail exactly, but I have problems with TB!
(or something along the way that affects only TB!) changing the Part
boundaries of messages so the file names do not appear correctly.

For example, I got the following message which when the source is
viewed shows the following boundary:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@13161
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Draft"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

The problem is that the name should actually be "Draft Cheshire
Supporting People Eligibility Criteria v2.8.doc", but it gets chopped
at the first space in the file name, so in the Attachment panel it
appears as "Draft" and I have to rename it before I can open it. This
only happens with one organisation, which suggests a peculiarity with
their setup, but notwithstanding this, Outlook, OE and Popcorn all
report the file name properly.

Unfortunately I do not have an example downladed in another email
client at the moment - I will test it again when one next arrives -
but I recall that this content boundary only appeared to be truncated
in TB!, that it is either TB! or the interaction of TB! and something
else that is causing the problems.

I created a bug report at the time this started affecting me:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2043

Julian

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Re: "Mark as read" time configurable

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, November 13, 2004, 10:41:40 AM, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote:

> I already have the time set to zero (see attached screenshot), but
> there's still a pause after I open the message.

I thought that zero meant never marked unread, but I could be wrong.
Try blank, as this seems to mark as read immediately.

You cannot send attachments to the list.

Julian

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Email Program Survey - TB! Missing

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

The Email Essential's Newsletter is running a survey on the email
software that people are using.  TB! is missing from the list of
options, although you can add it under Other (perhaps this will make
it appear as an option if enough people name it).

Details are copied below

,- [ Quote from Email Essentials Newsletter #3.13]
| [...] Naturally there are many other choices like Eudora, Netscape
| Messenger, Opera email, Pegasus and Incredimail (recently reviewed in
| Email Essentials ). There’s others plus those used by our friends with
| Macintosh computers. It would be interesting to know more about the
| usage of email software, so we’re having the first Office Watch reader
| poll – the first of many we hope.
| 
| You can take part by clicking on this link
| http://office-watch.com/poll-ee-313.asp
| 
| We’ve made the poll simple and quick to complete. Just click on the
| email program that you mostly use and then click on the Poll button at
| the bottom of the page.
`-

You can get more details about Email Essentials and subscribe, if you
wish, from http://office-watch.com/email/index.asp

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Re: Email Program Survey - TB! Missing

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, August 4, 2005, 3:14:41 PM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote:

> The Email Essential's Newsletter is running a survey on the email
> software that people are using.  TB! is missing from the list of
> options, although you can add it under Other (perhaps this will make
> it appear as an option if enough people name it).

The votes are in.  7,147 votes were submitted in total, and the
results, in summary, are:

Outlook 2003 - 28%
Outlook Express 6 - 15%
Thunderbird - 13%

The Bat! came in at 1%

The votes may be more a reflection of the readership of Email
Essentials - the use of Outlook 2003 (so the most recent version of
Office) and the high percentage use of Thunderbird suggests that the
7,147 may not be a representative sample, although I could be wrong on
that.

You can read more about Email Essentials, and probably read the
newsletter with the results (EE #3.14 - Reader poll results) on
http://office-watch.com/email/index.asp

Julian

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Re: what's the cheapest way to get a TB license?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 7:07:24 PM, Jurgen Haug wrote:

> My girlfriend used to use TB! here on my PC for her mails, but now
> she got herself a notebook and AFAIK she can't use my TB on that,
> right? She wants to switch to Opera M2 or Thunderbird and I want to keep or 
> using TB.

I thought that the TB licence allowed it to be installed on a laptop
as well as a desktop machine as long as you were not using both at the
same time.  I cannot find the original license text to verify this,
however.

I need to installed the updated v3.51 on my wife's laptop (separate
license) later, so I will see what the license agreement says.

Julian

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Re: Sending large attachments to Hotmail/Yahoo?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, October 17, 2005, 8:47:45 AM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> There's been a bug that split without caring about the setting of that
> option, I don't recall whether that was only in a beta, the way to go
> around that was to set the suggested size very high.

It is in the release version I am using (3.51.10) - I recently had to
resend a batch of 20 large emails because TB! split them all and they
were rejected by the recipients' mail servers. I have now set the split
size at 9000Kb.

Julian

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Synchronisation Problems

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I have been having problems with Synchronisation over the last couple
of releases of TB! When I attempt stage 3 of the synchronization
process, I get file errors "Error Reading File " - if I try
several times, I will eventually get through the process, but I end up
with many thousands of duplicates. In my latest attempt, one of my
accounts went from 4,000 messages to 20,000 and I had to abandon the
synchronisation attempt in the end.

Is this just me?  Being able to synchronize TB! between my desktop
machine and my laptop has been very important to me, and has worked
perfectly for several years.  Something in the recent releases appears
to have broken it.


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Re: Address AutoComplete Option Location

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, February 16, 2006, 4:29:48 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

>   Options -> Preferences -> Message header -> [select your header] -> Edit -> 
> 'Editing' tab

Ahhh. I suppose it makes sense to put it here (its certainly more
flexible), but the Help file still refers to its old location. Thanks
for the pointer.

Julian

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Address AutoComplete Option Location

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

Can anyone tell me where the Address AutoComplete option for the
Message Window now hides. It used to appear under
Options|Preferences|System, but it does not any longer. The latest
version appears to have reset my original settings (Addressboook only)
and I want to set it back.

On the subject of this, the Autocomplete drop down list does not seem
to work very intuitively. In most applications I can select the item I
want by using the down arrow key to select the item I want and then
use [TAB] to select it. In TB! this moves onto the next field (CC: in
my case) without selecting the highlighted field. This has resulted in
a few emails that have gone to the wrong person recently. Is just me,
or do others feel that the process if selecting items does not follow
Windows conventions?

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Re: Ignoring URL's whilst Spellchecking

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, March 20, 2006, 6:04:18 PM, Paul Meathrel wrote:

> One would hope so. Maybe someone else will have a bright idea! :)

Is is linked to the viewer/editor you are using?  I don't use the Plain Text
Viewer when viewing messages, but I do use Plain Text (MicroEd) when I
edit messages.  Perhaps this is related in some way?

My spellchecker does not check URLs.

Julian

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Re: [n]

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 11:17:16 PM, Paul Jansen wrote:

> How can I turn off the number in [] after the the Re when replying to
> messages.   It seems to be messing up the threading for people not
> using The Bat and I would like to have the choice whether to use this
> facility or not.

Go to Account Properties for the account(s) in question.  Go down to
Templates, then Reply (you may need to expand the Templates list to
see this) and uncheck the checkbox second up from the
bottom - "Use reply numbering in subject line".

Julian

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Marking Messages as SPAM in Macro

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I am using AntipamSniper to filter spam, which is fairly successful
against the rising tide of vgr, pump & dump and bank phishing spam
messages.

I report via Spamcop, so I have a common filter that forwards messages
on to Spamcop. I wanted to automatically mark messages as Spam in the
same filter to catch some of the ones not caught by AntispamSniper,
but I cannot find a macro action for this. Any ideas?

I was going to look at MyMacros, but I cannot find a working link to
this. Does anyone have one?


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Re: sorting of messages in threads

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, October 2, 2006, 10:04:28 PM, Robin Anson wrote:

> What does ctrl-] actually do? I tried looking for the shortcut in the
> menus, but couldn't find it.

Next unread message either in Thread, Account or another account in
that order. You can view all your unread messages in turn by using
Ctrl-] - it is my favourite TB! keyboard shortcut!

Julian

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Re: Problem Getting File Associations to Stick

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, March 22, 2007, 11:55:09 AM, Bob Morris wrote:

> I think that you may have fixed my problem.  Internet Explorer (which
> I rarely use) had Outlook set as the default e-mail program and
> contact list, even though I had the file associations set in Windows
> as belonging to The Bat!  After resetting Internet Explorer to agree
> with the settings at My Computer/Tools/Folder Options/File Options my
> desired setting now appear to be sticking.  I will keep fingers
> crossed - Mr Microsoft doesn't seem to want to let go of any rights
> without a big fight :-) .

I use Outlook in the same way that you do. You will find that Outlook
resets itself to be the default email programme on a regular basis -
many Office updates via Microsoft Update reset the default email
client, including updates of the Outlook Junk Mail list. There are
instructions on stopping this happening at the following location
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=933450 but Brian Livingstone
(http://windowssecrets.com/) suggests that it is easier to reset it
manually.

Julian

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Re: Attachments

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 1:00:57 PM, Henri Maussang wrote:

> The progress bar is complete (green) in few seconds, but the
> connection Center stays on.

This probably means that the sending process is not completing.  There
are no specific size limits in TheBat!, but your ISP may apply limits
to either email message sizes or attachment types.  Can you send via a
different ISP or via Webmail?

I sometimes have this problem, but have not found a particular cause.
Try opening the message again and then putting it back into the Outbox
before sending. Also have a look at the log (Account|View Log or
ctrl+shift+A) to see if there is an explanation. Is the email address
valid? Have you sent other messages successfully to that address?

Julian

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Synchronization in TB! 3.99.3 - Slow

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I have just installed 3.99.3 and am doing my first synchonize between
my PC and Laptop with this version.  It is really slow, and eats
resources.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Previous versions have
been getting faster, so this appears to be a step backwards.

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Re: Synchronization in TB! 3.99.3 - Slow

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 11:33:54 PM, Andrew Diederich wrote:

> How are you syncing between those two?  For voyager I make a file
> backup to whatever my local computer is, in case I lose the usb drive.
> TB! support told be Tools > Synchronize... was really for something
> else, and was going to be dropped.

I hope it is not going to be dropped - I use it all the time! I use
two computers, and I use Synchronize to ensure that the messagebase on
my laptop matches the messagebase on my PC. It is usually just a
one-way transfer across my network, from PC to Laptop - I use a shared
folder on my PC to hold the synch files.

Julian

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Re: Synchronization in TB! 3.99.3 - Slow

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 10:44:57 PM, Andrew Diederich wrote:

> Hmm, maybe you actually figured out how it worked.  'Way back in
> 3.80.06 I tried syncing my TB! and Voyager clients using Tools >
> Synchronize...  but it only nuked things in strange and interesting
> ways.

It is a bit challenging, as synchronisation does not mean the same in
TB! as it does in, say, Laplink, where there is a transfer of files
both ways.

Basically, TB! copies messages that are not one the target machine
(the one where you run Step A) from the source machine (the one at
Step B). It is a one-way process and it only adds messages and does
not delete them. The messages have to be in the same location, so you
can end up with duplicates if your messages are moved by a filter on
one machine and not on the other.

My synch plan is as follows - an example probably helps!:

1  I want to bring my laptop up to date with messages that I have
   received on my PC since I last used it. I therefore start running
   the synch process on my laptop with Step 1 - the file is copied to
   a shared folder on my PC, across the network, although it would
   also work saving it to a usb memory stick.

2  Step 2 is run on my PC - this takes the file created in step 1 and
   identifies all the messages that are on the PC but not on the
   laptop, and copies them to the next Synch file.

3  The final step, Step 3, is run on the laptop. This copies all the
   messages not on the laptop (in the same account/folder) into the
   locations they are on the PC.

That is it - all the messages on my PC are now on my laptop.

There are a couple of things to note:

- It is assumed that the account and folder structures are the same,
  and that the same filters are operating on both machines. I used to
  wipe my laptop message base every few months and then restore it
  from the PC to ensure that the folders and filters are the same, but
  I don't bother now. If the structures are different, you will end up
  with a mess!

- The process is one way - Messages not in the machine on which you
  run step 1 are copied from the machine in Step 2. If you want to do
  a two-way synch you have to run Synch again, starting with the other
  machine at Step 1.

- The process does not delete messages. If I were to spend a lot of
  time cleaning the message base on my laptop, and then run a synch
  with my laptop at Step 1, it will copy all the messages back again.
  the process only looks for missing messages and copies them.

- It does not appear to work with filters and account settings,
  despite what it says. It does work with the address book however. You
  have to copy filters manually, or recreate them manually.

I don't synch in the other direction (from Laptop to PC), as all the
messages are held on the server and I download them when I am next at
my PC.

I hope that this helps

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Strange Email Problems 3.99.24

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I am not sure that this problem is TB! related, but since it appeared
since I upgraded to 3.99.24 a few weeks ago, I thought I would ask
here.

My DSL connection goes down when I send emails with attachments.  It
appears to be size related - if the message is more than around 3.9Mb
then the my DSL connection is lost at that point.  The send fails, and
I have to wait for my router/DSL model to re-establish a connection.

I am stumped by this.  My ISP does not appear to have any limits in
place that would cause my connection to be cut off, but my router does
not tell me much other than a log entry to say that the WAN Interface
is down.  I have tried my ISP's email servers and my backup email
servers via SMPTAUTH with the same effect.

Any clues anyone?

Julian

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Re: Strange Email Problems 3.99.24

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 9:08:45 AM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> No clue, but what happens when you upload a 4 MB file to something
> else than a mail server?

Thanks for the response.  I have done some more testing this morning
is discovered:

1. I can upload the same file using FTP without problems
2. I can send the same message using Outlook

Now going to see if the problem is caused by a combination of TB! and
my router config.  I sent the message successfully yesterday from the
office using TB.

Julian

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Re: Strange Email Problems 3.99.24

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, October 31, 2007, 9:47:48 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote:

> Now going to see if the problem is caused by a combination of TB! and
> my router config.  I sent the message successfully yesterday from the
> office using TB.

I have tested this.  It appears to be a problem with The Bat! and my
Router (a D-Link DIR-655).  I can send messages without problems using
my DSL modem plugged directly into my laptop.  It is only when the
modem is connected to the router that I have problems.

It is totally strange!

The next test is to roll back a version or 2 of TB and see whether it
is a recent problem.

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Re: AVG didn't catch

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 1:11:04 PM, Michael Thompson wrote:

> Hello Marck,

> Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 4:56:02 AM, you wrote :


MDP>> We just said that in a long thread discussing the plug-in thesis. The
MDP>> "middle man" approach slows down *all* mail while plug-ins are only
MDP>> called when there is an attachment worth looking at.

MDP>> Please read the recent thread exploring these issue in depth under the
MDP>> topic "OT: Antivirus software review".

> Sorry, new to the list.



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Re: AVG didn't catch

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, July 18, 2002, 4:07:44 PM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 1:11:04 PM, Michael Thompson wrote:

Whoops! I fell asleep at the keyboard (not a comment on my interest in
the messages) and managed to send an email when my fingers slid down
the keys! I knew I had sent something, but could not find it until it
appeared here!

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Re: AVG didn't catch

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, July 18, 2002, 6:07:27 PM, Thomas F wrote:

> Back to , what could you have done if you had found out
> which message it was?

Nothing, but I woke up to see the NAV Outgoing Email scanning window
disappearing, so I knew I had sent something, but I did not know what
or to who.  I suppose I was lucky just to have sent a blank message to
the list.

Antidote emails sound very like an urban legend, although if you are
running Exchange server, it is possible to recall messages from within
the network.


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Re: Selective Downloads - Kill Filter

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On Sunday, July 21, 2002, 7:21:29 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote:

> Use the Mail Dispatcher. Any message containing the string and
> string location you indicated for selective download will have the
> Receive box unchecked and (if you've set "delete from server
> immediately") will have the Delete box checked.

Yes, I use the Mail Dispatcher in this way, as I have a filter to hold
mail on the server as well as the one to delete mail, so I review
the server list once a day. Not many spam messages get though, and those
that do go to SpamCop and I amend the filters as necessary.

> That is the way selective download filters work.

And very effectively, too.  What I would like is an addition in the
log file for the account to say that x messages were deleted without
downloading - at the moment, it only tells me the number of messages
on the server, the number of new ones, and the number downloaded.  It does not
say how many were deleted by the Kill filter.

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Re: Selective Downloads - Kill Filter

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, July 22, 2002, 8:37:09 PM, Ricardo M. Reyes wrote:

> Unless I'm missing something, the 'number of new ones' less the
> 'number download' should be equal to the number of deleted messages.

You are right, of course: if I go back through the log, I can work
out the number of messages deleted!  I think that the example I looked
at before was particularly complicated, as it included messages that
were being held on the server, as well as some downloaded.

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Re: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:47:00 PM, Lynn Turriff wrote:

> One suspects that it does it so the recipient can see the
> 'scanned virus free by Norton' note that it puts in the
> email, but that's pointless too, since you have to open
> the mail to read it.

I have never seen this notice - are you sure it is NAV that puts it
on, and not the user?

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Re: that annyoing beep

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, July 28, 2002, 6:25:09 PM, Rick Reumann wrote:

> Yes, I do now remember that message, but shouldn't there be a way
> to still not have that beep come up? I was hoping to not have to
> uncheck to have that mail checked while they are doing there
> service (then I have to remember later to turn the checking back
> on). I wouldn't even mind a dialog box within the Bat saying that
> it couldn't connect to a server, since I understand (and would
> want) some notification if it wasn't connecting. When I'm not in
> the Bat though I hate having to deal with the beep that comes up.
> Occasionally servers have some temporary difficulties and it's
> sort of a pain to have to go and set it to not check while a
> temporary problem is occurring.

This subject has come up before, and I have the same problem from time
to time.  The problem seems to be that TB has a fairly short timeout
of 30 seconds, which is not adjustable.  My ISP struggles to respond
within this timeout at peak times, so I got a lot of bleeps.

As the the solution, there is not one at present, other than turning
off the Windows sound for Exclamation.  The longer term ones will
hopefully appear in TB 2.0: either an adjustable timeout; or the
ability to turn off the sound.  You could always post a wish at
Ritlabs.

Julian

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Re: Automate the task

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, August 9, 2002, 12:20:54 PM, William Moore wrote:

> I always use this piece of javascript to (hopefully) avoid detection.

The following website has a number of scripts to do the same thing,
and it will produce the script for your email address "on the fly"
ready for you to cut and paste into your pages.

http://innerpeace.org/escrambler.shtml


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Re: autoformat?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, 1:18:46 AM, ~John wrote:

>   Help! I can't remember how to turn off this irritating auto-format
>   when I'm composing a message.

>From the TB Help File [Help|Help Topics and search the index for
Automatic]:

   Automatic Text Formatiing

   "You can use the  key combination to dynamically
   toggle autoformat mode on and off as you work to allow you to type
   lists and column formatted text in amongst the formatted
   paragraphs."

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Re: anti-spam suggestions II

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, 11:28:20 AM, Blarp wrote:

> I have seen some small time spammers get TOSd through SpamCop and I'm
> sure their blacklist is worthwhile but it's not going to reduce your
> spam if you report things to them. IMHO.

I would agree with this (as a paying user of SpamCop).  It is probably
helpful to report things to SpamCop so that open relays and proxies get
identified, but I found that I had far more success at terminating
spammer's accounts when I did the investigating and reporting myself.

I now have a set of Kill filters that I use alongside Selective
Download, so around 40 messages a day are being deleted on the server,
and the remaining 1 or 2 I report via SpamCop.

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Re: "not to me" filter problems

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:07:04 PM, Paul Maunders wrote:

> I've set up a rule, or should I say filter, that will move any emails
> where @maundersaa.net|[EMAIL PROTECTED] is not present in the
> Kludges. The only thing is that it doesn't seem to work.

In the sorting office, when you set up your filter, did you go to the
Options tab, and select "Regular Expressions"? Filters do not use
Regular Expressions by default. You will also have to escape with a
backslash the @ and . in your email address (so they become \@ and \.

Look under Create Mail Filters, and then information on Regular
Expressions.

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Re: The Bat/ZoneAlarm quirks.

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, August 22, 2002, 8:02:06 AM, Blarp wrote:

> Since it only gets reported on XP & 2000,
> I wonder if there's something with the permissions. I have TB
> installed under my account (which has Admin rights). I wonder what it
> does if installed under a different account with say Power User rights
> or something?

I am running 1.61 under Win XP Pro with Power User rights, and I don't
have any problems with periodical checking.

A couple of questions come to mind with periodical checking:

1.  Are all the problems being experienced on a dialup connection?
2.  Does TB start a dialup connection to do a periodical check?
3.  Is there anything in the log file to indicate that TB attempted to
connect?
4.  In anyone experiencing problems with periodical checking with a
permanent connection (such as a network connection or DSL)?

The answers might narrow the problem down a bit.

Julian

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Re: TB Shut down on Periodical Check

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, August 26, 2002, 8:10:21 PM, James Senick wrote:

> Are there any other mail clients with a dispatcher that
> allow for redirecting a message straight from the dispatcher?  I
> seem to remember a client that would allow one to choose how
> many lines of body text the dispatcher would preview...

I think that Popcorn might do this - it works only on messages on the
server without downloading.  It is no longer available from
the developers, but if you search for Popcorn you should be able to
find it.  If not, let me know, and I will email you a copy.  It is a
108K zip file, and about 300K unzipped.  It has a small .ini file for
configuration - no registry settings.

Julian

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Re: TBUDL Digest and attached messages

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 5:09:11 AM, Tim wrote:

>>> Swings and Roundabouts is similar to what goes around comes around,
>>> from memory...

> Here are a couple of explanations I found on a quick Google search.

[snip]

Both swings and roundabouts are items of playground equipment, by the
way. They used to appear in public parks in the UK although both are
victims of the risk-aware culture in the UK these days and are now
quite rare. I remember spending days trying to get the roundabout up
to a speed where the centrifugal force would fling off small children
and trying to get the swing to "loop the loop" in my misspent
childhood, so perhaps it is a good thing that are disappearing!

Anyway, this is veering OT, so I had better stop now :-)

Julian

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Re: Urgent Help with Selective Download

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, August 31, 2002, 3:51:07 AM, Sudip Pokhrel wrote:

> Yes. I overlooked that. Thanks. But how do I define a filter: 'Delete
> all messages with attachments UNLESS they originate from my mailing
> lists'

I don't think that you can using Selective Download, as the filters
are not that sophisticated. The way I deal with these situations is to
use a kill filter to wipe messages that I *know* I don't want, and
then use an ignore filter for all the ones that I need to
double-check. These don't get downloaded, and I can check and delete
them manually once every few days using the Message Dispatcher
(Ctrl-Shift-F2). (Crtl+3 in the Message dispatcher will mark all the
messages for deletion, and F2 will zap them, so only a couple of
keystrokes are required).

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Re: How do you set up account filters?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, August 31, 2002, 3:25:47 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

D>> Thats is kind of what i`m trying to do. But for
D>> this I need a filter option to leave certain
D>> mails on the servers and only download ones
D>> that are addressed to that particular aacount.

>   Filter all msgs to your account & move hers to
>   her account automatically via Filter Action. You
>   can re-direct [I believe], copy or export to a
>   unix, TB or txt file. HTH

Another option could be to set up a selective download filter in both
of the accounts, set up to ingore messages for the other person, so:

Account X - Ignore messages for Account Y
Account Y - Ignore messages for Account X

When account X logs on, only messages for account X will be
downloaded, and messages for Y left on the server, and the opposite
will happen when account Y logs on.

The filter would look like this:

Account X: Detect by Entire Header
Signal String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Advanced|Action: Ignore

Account Y: Detect by Entire Header
Signal String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Advanced|Action: Ignore


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Re: How do you set up account filters?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, August 31, 2002, 5:33:38 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>   In the above scenario TB! is doing it twice. Its
>   a fine solution but as an academic question, I
>   wonder if there really are any *practical*
>   differences between a selective download [once
>   or twice] & a single download with filter
>   actions attached.

I think that it does take longer using selective download, but I don't
think the difference is too great, because what you loose in the
downloading of the headers initially, you gain by not downloading
messages you don't want.  Downloading the headers is a lot quicker
than downloading messages, particularly over a slow connection.

Databug's situation is a little different, because all of the messages
are going to be downloaded anyway so the downloading of the headers is
an additional overhead, but that increase in overall download time is
justified by the circumstances.

I use selective downloads in two specific situations - as a spam
filter on an account that gets a lot of junk mail, and when I am
travelling and downloading mail using my mobile phone, when I don't
want to download a 500K email message unless I really need to!

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Re: Urgent Help with Selective Download

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, August 31, 2002, 2:28:33 PM, Sudip Pokhrel wrote:

> That's a good idea but I've decided to kill all messages with
> attachments that have OE X-mailer header... serves my purpose :)

I had a look at the Advanced tab on the Selective Download filter, and
it has some fairly powerful options under the Detection Method section.
The main limitation seems to be that you cannot refer it to an
addressbook, but if you can define a short list of addresses, you
should be able to come up with an effective filter.

One option would be to enter all of the mailing list addresses, and
use the Detection Method that "none of strings should match", so any
messages not from a mailing list will match the filter and be killed.

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Re: Arrow keys and threads

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, September 2, 2002, 10:49:20 PM, Joseph N. wrote:

> Is there no way to navigate to the next message within the thread
> other than enabling and clicking the message list?

Yes, Ctrl-] works whether the focus is on the message list or the body
of the message.  It even works if the focus is on the message tree.

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Re: Synchronisation

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, September 27, 2002, 1:34:04 PM, Tim wrote:

> My particular situation is that I normally work on my own computer,
> but recently I've had to use my mother's computer. I've kept mailbases
> in synch with Backup and Restore, but last week my mother's computer
> had a major problem, and as a result I have important emails in each
> mailbase but not on the server. I see Synchronise as the solution, but
> if anyone has a better answer, I'm interested.

I use synchronisation regularly between my desk-based machine and my
laptop.  There are two things to note.

1.  Synchronisation is *one-way* so if you have messages on each
computer, you will need to run synchronisation *twice* with each computer
as the target in turn.

2.  Synchronisation does not delete anything - so it is ideal for
situations like yours, because the worse you can end up with is
duplicates, which are easy to get rid of.

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Re: Stupid Envelope Question.

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, October 6, 2002, 11:38:11 AM, Clive Taylor wrote:

> Yes, I know that Dierk. My point was that the colour indicating the
> priority of incoming messages is so pale here that I hadn't noticed it
> before.

The colour of incoming, unread messages, is very noticeable (bright
red, yellow or blue envelopes). It is only when the messages have been
read that the colours go pale and harder to spot.

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Re: Forwarding several messages as MIME attachments in a singlemessage

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, October 10, 2002, 3:34:56 PM, Miguel A. Urech wrote:

> I know for sure that Lookout users can easily do it, and I seem to
> recall I have done it in the past with TB but I don't remember how :-(

Does highlighting the messages, then Specials|Alternative Forward do
what you want?

Julian

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Account Priviledges

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

A short while ago, I had a phone call from someone who could not get
into their account because they had unwittingly set their account
privilege to User, and TB! popped up a User/Password box when they
tried to open it. I discovered the hard way how to get back in, having
done the same myself in the process of trying to find a solution - the
account name is the user, and the password is blank.

The problem with this is that this only gives you user access to that
particular account, so you cannot then change back to Administrator
privilege. After some moments of panic (!) I got round this by using
one of my other accounts to get into TB! with, where I had
administrator privileges, and I could then set the privileges of the
account I had changed to Administrator.

What happens if you only have one account set up?  If you have
selected User privilege, with the default rights (none), and without
setting up any User Groups, how do you switch back into Administrator
privileges?

Julian

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Re: Synchronizing between notebook and desktop

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, August 4, 2003, 2:18:31 AM, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote:

> I'm just curious, do you not synchronize the laptop with the desktop
> when you return from traveling -- I'm trying to understand why you
> would leave mail on the server.

Mainly because of the problems keeping filters up to date on both
installations.  The result can be that messages get into different
folders on both machines, and this leads to duplicates.

The other reason is a very practical one - laptops are relatively easy
to loose or damage, so I would rather hold messages on the server for
a few days so I can be sure that I get them on my desktop PC than
depend on being able to synchronize from the Laptop.

The other thing to remember with Synchronisation is that it is a one-way
process - it makes the Installation A the same as Installation B, by
moving messages that are not on A but are on B onto A.  This means
that to do a full synchronisation (matching both installations) you
have to run it twice, making different machines the target and
destination each time, if you see what I mean!

Julian

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Re: Problem with Replying

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, August 4, 2003, 11:28:30 AM, Chris wrote:

> I'm having a problem with replying to messages in The Bat! The problem
> is that The Bat! will only include some of the original message in the
> reply - not all of the text. Is there an option to set how much of the
> text The Bat! includes in the reply, or is this some sort of bug? I
> want The Bat! to include all the text of the message I'm replying to,
> no matter how long it is.

You don't say how you are replying, or what text is missing, but two
things spring to mind:

- TB! does not quote sigs in replies, so everything below the sig
delimiter will be cut (-- )

- f4 only quotes the highlighted text.

One way to get round the chopping of the sig is to use the %text macro
in your reply template.  This appears to quote the whole of the
original text, including the text below the sig delimiter.

If you changes the template you use for the list, don't forget you
will need to manually trim your reply to get rid of the sig text, or
use f4 on the text you want to reply to.

Julian

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Re: sender info on reply's and forwards

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, 5:49:02 PM, Eric Santon wrote:

> How do I get the macros to come up?

> Where should I insert those into the template?

If you go to the menu bar and select Account|Properties... you will be
presented with a dialogue with a tree menu.  Go to Templates and click
on the +.  You will then see the account templates.  These will be
used for the account folders by default, so they should contain the
required macros.  If they are blank, then one thing you could do is to
create a new account and then copy the templates (simply by copying
and pasting between the templates.

It could be that you have a folder template (or perhaps an address
book template, and you will find these under the properties for each
folder (or address book) (the menu Folder:Properties).  You can also
cut and paste from another folder template, as above.

Julian

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Re: Deleted messages resurfacing when syncing

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, August 7, 2003, 2:08:39 PM, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote:

> Synchronizing seems to be working fine between my desktop and
> notebook, however, with regards to the Inbox, messages I've deleted
> seem to be resurfacing.  Any idea why this is?  Does the sync process
> just add mail -- what happens if I sort mail/delete mail, etc...?

Synchronisation does not delete messages, but will add messages from the
source machine (the installation at step 2) that are not on the
destination (the installation at steps 1 and 3.  If you have deleted
messages on the destination (or moved them to another folder), but
left them in the original locations on the source, they will be copied
again, but not deleted.

I tend to do synchs one way only to avoid this, and do an occasional
backup of the pc installation and restore onto the laptop to match the
message base and filter.

Julian

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Re: Another Q on the Worm (Blaster)

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 7:20:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> I can't run it at all, since i can for the life of me not find the
> "system restore" thing on my Win XP Pro. Where should i look for it?
> Cymantec said you should turn it off, but as i said i can't even find
> it, so i don't know if i've got it.

According to Woody's Windows Watch, you should open the Task Manager
and look at the Process list.  If you have msblast.exe running then
you are probably infected.  The removal tool will remove the program
from your system - ending the process will stop it until the next
reboot.

You can find the most recent version of Woody's Windows Watch (WWW
#6.14 - Getting Blaster'd) at
http://www.woodyswatch.com/windows/archtemplate.asp?6-14 which
contains lots of information on Blaster and what you can do.

Julian

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Re: Problem with sending attachments

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 1:21:31 PM, Mary Cassidy wrote:

> The problem doesn't lie with the reserve provider, because I can send
> attachments with the Netscape e-mail program. I use a router with the
> main provider, and an external modem with the reserve one.

> Any idea where the problem could be with The Bat?

This problem rings a bell, but I cannot remember the details.  I am
pretty sure that the problem is not with TB! however - I think that
the problem will be with your router, possibly with any firewall
settings you have in it, or in any software firewall you have.

You say that you can send messages with Netscape?  Is this the same
message and attachment, with the router, using the same provider?

The other thing that causes a sudden disconnection of your internet
connection is Blaster, of course, so it could be worth checking.

Sorry if this is not much help - more questions - but perhaps the
answers may help someone else suggest a solution.

Julian

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Re: Blank e-mails - again

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, September 1, 2003, 1:33:19 PM, John Phillips wrote:

> That is a common thread with the last "blank" e-mails as well.

> Is this a bug in Bat?

I tried the same as Thomas, and got a blank message.  I think that it
could be related to Big5, and strangely, if I select the Big5 CharSet
myself [View|Character Set|Chinese Traditional (Big5)] Thomas's
response to your original message becomes blank, although I can see
all his other messages fine. The exported message also remains blank,
so perhaps it is blank because I don't have Big5 on my PC?

As a further test, I then changed the Character Set in your copied
email to USASCII by editing the tb.msg file I created, and it displayed
fine.

Julian

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Re: Registration woes II

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:23:11 PM, Marek Mikus wrote:

> there are only two fields in V2 registration dialog, Key and Checksum,
> no password is required, like in V1.x.

I think I was asked for a password when I purchased the licence, but
the license installed automatically when I clicked off the email with
the key and checksum - very clever.

Julian

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Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:14:05 PM, Mark wrote:

> If the current upgrade price of $17.50 goes to, for example, $25.00
> (Personal/Private) while the full The Bat! v2 Personal/Private cost is
> $35.00, I would probably pay the $17.50 now rather than $25.00 later.

You don't have to actually install V2 now if you want to wait until
the first service release or two - once you have the email with the
key, you can save it until you upgrade.  This way you can get the
lower price upgrade, but continue with version 1.x for the timebeing.

Julian

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Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:21:31 PM, Alexander wrote:

> And, I beg your pardon, I'm trying to raise something like a conscience
> when you call it whining. Lets get ripped off over & over again, we really
> don't deserve any better.

I don't think that there will be any winners to this argument.  I see
TB as representing excellent value for money, and I would happily have
paid the full price for the upgrade - it is still a relatively small
cost for such a high quality product, and I see my registration fee as
a fair return to Ritlabs for their continued investment and
development of the product.

At the same time, I can see the point you and others are making. If
you don't feel that TB represents such good value for money, then you
would not be happy with the registration/upgrade fee. I can understand
this, even if I do not share it.

In the end, I don't think that Ritlabs are going to change their
minds, which is their right. After all, they know how much it has cost
to develop TB, how much they need to get in in registration fee
income, and how much they can generate from new users. The existing
user-base represents a large potential source of income, and I can see
why Ritlabs would want to tap this. It might seem unfair, but perhaps
that is just business ecomomics.

Having said that, if TB cost $150, then I would probably be arguing
with you - which just shows that it is all down to perceived value!

Thinking about it, Ritlabs are probably trying to save admin costs
with the current upgrade policy.  A system based on the date of
original registration would be very costly to administer, whereas
having a fixed upgrade period makes it much easier.  After the end of
the initial period, everyone gets a new licence, so no need to check
existing serial numbers and licence keys.  If this method helps to
keep the cost down, then I am all for it.

Julian

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Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 5:49:37 PM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:

> I can't believe that there are people who take it for a fair option to buy the
> upgrade now and only start using it in a couple of months. Think about it,
> how ridiculous is that?

If you believe that Ritlabs are a private company, and are free to do
what they want, then this approach seems to be sensible, as they are
not likely to change their minds!  You don't have to want TB v2.x now,
but if you think you will after October 2003, then it is still worth
paying the $17.50 now.

Perhaps the people who have upgraded to v2 and paid the reduced price
registration fee are getting a discount for beta-testing the full v2
release?

Julian

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Re: Start up: The Bat balks

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, September 8, 2003, 12:44:16 PM, David R. Austen wrote:

> Over the past few weeks, I have discovered that the only way to
> reliably start The Bat (1.62i) is to first start and then exit Outlook
> (Outlook is not used for my email.)

> And nearly every time I start The Bat, I see this message:  "A call to
> an OS function failed." I then hit Enter and The Bat runs normally.

I run Outlook and TB (I also use Time and Chaos for work task
scheduling, but have not found it to be an adequate replacement for my
contacts and diary). I do not have any problems, but this message does
ring a bell - it sounds a bit like Outlook and TB fighting it out over
default settings, as Outlook fights a rearguard action if it is not
the default client.

Have a look at the Programs settings in IE (Tools|Internet
Options|Programs) and then the individual defaults for Outlook and TB
and see if you can find any conflicts. I always had problems with TB
being the default handler for .VCF, so I leave this and MSG unticked
in TB! Everything works fine without.

Julian

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Re: Start up: The Bat balks

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, September 8, 2003, 2:03:05 PM, Deborah W wrote:

> Really? What do you find that Outlook does with your contacts & diary
> that T&C won't?

The main issues are Palm synchronisation, the big issue finding
something that supports Date Book Categories on the Palm, as used by
DateBk5.  I have tried a few programs to find something that will
work, but not, as yet, succeeded.  I liked Lotus Organiser, but it did
not support Categories, a problem with many PIMs.  I am hoping that
Chapura (of Pocket Mirror fame) will write a conduit for some
alternative PIMs, as they understand categories.

I don't use T&C as my diary because I like to keep my appointments and
calendar separate from my todo list, which the T&C Palm sync will not
do. I was not very impressed with the address book!

Julian

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Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, September 8, 2003, 4:50:12 PM, Alexander wrote:

> If that is so then what, in the name of everything that doesn't suck,
> would've been the problem to say "registered before 1.50 release = high
> update fee" while "registered before 1.60 release = moderate upgrade fee"
> and "registered after 1.60 release = lower upgrade fee?

Cost, I should imagine.  TB is not a high cost product, and the costs
of providing an upgrade procedure based on this, which would probably
require considerable manual checking, would probably wipe out the
profit.  As I noted before, although the current upgrade policy may
not be fair to recent purchasers, it does have the benefit of being
cheap to operate, and therefore helps to keep the costs of the product
down.

Julian

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Re: Template file?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, September 8, 2003, 4:53:04 PM, Peter Kerekes wrote:

> Are the templates in one or more files, if so which one? I would like to copy
> the file over to my BAT directory in the Notebook.

When I transferred TB onto my laptop, I created a backup on the
desktop machine, and restored it on the laptop. I had to make some
changes to the connection properties on the laptop, because I connect
differently on there, but apart from that it worked perfectly, and all
my templates and filters transferred too.

Account settings are in account.cfg, filters in account.srx, QTs in
account.qtn, and other account templates in account.flx. If you open
the files in Notepad, you can usually work out what is in them. Make
sure you back up the original file on the laptop before transferring
just in case it goes horribly wrong!

The other way to do it is copy the text from your templates into a
blank document, and transfer the document to the laptop, and then
paste the text into your laptop templates. This is how I manage it for
small numbers of templates.

Julian

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Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 5:40:47 AM, Vishal wrote:

> Ok, great. I just automatic mail checking with NO firewall installed and it
> still doesn't work. I'm using the eval version of 2.0.0.6. It looks like ZA
> wasn't to blame after all. What could be wrong?

Is it something to do with the settings under Options|Network and
Administration.  In particular, perhaps there is a problem with the
Mail Checking settings here.  Try various combinations of these.  As I
am using an DSL connection via a router, I am using the Network
Connection option, so the options are greyed out.

Julian

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Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 4:50:29 AM, Vishal wrote:

> Not yet. I'm aware of it though and someone else just brought it to my attention
> as well. I'll definitely keep it in mind if I can't get BlackICE to work.
> Thanks.

I used BlackIce for a number of years, before finally ditching it in
favour of Outpost. I found that there were a few problems with the
processes in BlackIce that disrupted my day to day work. Application
protection scanning was slow, and had a modal dialogue box that would
sit on top of the screen whilst scanning and could not be dismissed.
Very frustrating.

Outpost v2 Pro has been excellent so far.

Julian

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Re: some threads not sorted as threads

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 10:56:44 AM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> I suppose it's a coincidence. Threads are being shown as full threads
> as long as there aren't any branches split from their common root.
> The ZoneAlarm thread you were mentioning had lots of separate branches
> that kept going on. On such a thread it's more likely that you're
> deleting common roots than on a thread maintained by two
> correspondents.

I checked the references on the broken threads that I have, and found
that I no longer had the messages with the MID: in my message base,
because they had purged.  As I use a maximum limit of 200 messages for
deletion purposes, and the list has been generating lots of traffic
recently, I have had lots of broken threads because the earlier
messages in threads are being lost.

I have not (yet) seen any examples of TB! breaking threads that have
references to messages that have not been deleted. YMMV, of course!

Julian

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Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 2:49:12 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote:

> The Internet is becoming to be treated in the same manner as
> automobiles. I.e. "I just want it to work and don't care how it
> works."

This fits in quite well with the following bit of research:

-
A staggering one in seven technologically challenged employees needs
help even switching their computers on and off, according to research
commissioned by City & Guilds.

The UK vocational awarding body's study of 405 random UK financial
directors revealed that, despite the fact that PCs have been around
for over thirty years, getting to grips with the devices is totally
beyond many British office workers. A fifth were found to struggle to
save a document, more than one in five need assistance printing, while
a quarter cannot understand a spreadsheet.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/67/32742.html for the details
---

Julian

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