[tw5] Date In "Title of new tiddlers" Setting

[Darth Mole]

Is there a way to add a formatted date to the "Title of new tiddlers" field 
like you can in the "Title of new journal tiddlers" field?

I'm trying to add *MM/DD -* to the front of each new tiddler based on how I 
am using it. I can always just delete it if I don't need the MM/DD - in the 
title but prefer to have it if I did. 

However, it doesn't seem that the field accepts any time of code so I'm not 
sure if it is even possible. 

Thanks!
DM

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[tw5] Re: Restyling a drop zone

[Darth Mole]

Hello Soren!

As always awesome solution/work!

I just had a quick question; is it safe to assume that you need a tiddler, 
with the following code, open in the storylist for your code to work? Or 
did you add it to a template?


<>


Thanks!

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:41:25 PM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Maki, yeah, I had previously tried inline-block along with a bunch of 
> other things in that rule. It didn't help because I hadn't targeted the 
> item underneath it as well.
>
> Saq, thanks, that was *very* helpful. (For anyone else who comes along, 
> that should be "tc-dragover", with a dash, not a dot.)
>
> The selector I had missed targeting was *.tc-droppable.tc-dragover > 
> .tc-droppable-placeholder*. (Both the droppable divs and the placeholder 
> divs beneath them need to be inline-block.) I also needed this goofy rule:
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul > div.tc-droppable 
> div.tc-droppable-placeholder svg {
> height: 0;
> width: 1rem;
> }
>
> Yes, that's an *svg*, because TiddlyWiki uses a blank image within a *div* 
> for 
> the placeholder after the last *li* in list-links-draggable. I assume 
> there is a good reason for this. :-)
>
> Final version for anyone interested:
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump {
> background-color: <>;
> position: fixed;
> z-index: 850;
> display: inline-block;
> top: 0;
> right: 0;
> left: 0;
> text-align: center;
> height: 30px;
> overflow: auto;
> border-bottom: 1px solid <>;
> padding-bottom: 3px;
> padding-top: 3px;
> font-size: 12px;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump a {
> color: <>;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump a.tc-tiddlylink-shadow {
> font-weight: normal;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul {
> list-style-type: none;
> margin: 0;
> padding: 0;
> }
>
> /* Droppable placeholders take up no space until we drag something there. 
> */
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul li.tc-droppable div.tc-droppable-placeholder 
> {
> height: 0;
> }
>
> /* TW inserts this as a placeholder after the last item. We have to resize 
> it to match the rest. */
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul > div.tc-droppable 
> div.tc-droppable-placeholder svg {
> height: 0;
> width: 1rem;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump .tc-dropzone.tc-dragover:before {
> display: inline-block;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul > li.tc-droppable div,
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul > div.tc-droppable div {
> display: inline-block;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump .tc-droppable.tc-dragover > 
> .tc-droppable-placeholder {
> display: inline-block;
> background-color: green;
> border: 0px;
> width: 1rem;
> height: 1rem;
> margin-bottom: 0;
> margin-top: 0;
> padding-bottom: 0;
> padding-top: 0;
> }
>
> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul li, div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul > 
> div.tc-droppable {
> display: inline-block;
> }
>
> .sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul li div:nth-child(2):after {
> padding-left: 5px;
> content: "·";
> padding-right: 5px;
> }
>
> /* not last-child because there's a dropzone after it */
> .sib-quick-tiddler-jump ul li:nth-last-child(2) div:after {
> content: "";
> }
>
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 4:11:05 AM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Inspect the dropzone DOM node with the browser dev tools and add the 
>> class "tc.dragover". This will allow you see what CSS is active during the 
>> drag over and make it easier to arrive at a solution.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 1:18:07 AM UTC+2 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> I'm creating a horizontal list of my open tiddlers that runs across the 
>>> top of the wiki, like this:
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot from 2021-06-26 18-13-01.png]
>>>
>>> It's based on *list-links-draggable* and works great except for when I 
>>> try to drag something to a different position. When I try, the bar scrolls 
>>> to fit the dropzone on a separate line, so that I can no longer see where 
>>> I'm moving the tiddler to:
>>>
>>> [image: 2.png]
>>>
>>> I tried poking through the theme CSS for a bit, but wasn't able to find 
>>> anything that worked. It doesn't help that it's impossible to carefully 
>>> inspect the DOM with the browser devtools since the mouse is tied up with 
>>> the drag. Can someone point me to how I'd make the dropzone end up 
>>> horizontally inline with the items, instead of above/below them?
>>>
>>> Here's the code of the tiddler/CSS that I currently have:
>>>
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump {
>>> background-color: <>;
>>> position: fixed;
>>> z-index: 850;
>>> display: inline-block;
>>> top: 0;
>>> right: 0;
>>> left: 0;
>>> text-align: center;
>>> height: 25px;
>>> overflow: auto;
>>> border-bottom: 1px solid <>;
>>> padding-bottom: 3px;
>>> padding-top: 3px;
>>> font-size: 12px;
>>> }
>>>
>>> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump a {
>>> color: <>;
>>> }
>>>
>>> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump a.tc-tiddlylink-shadow {
>>> font-weight: normal;
>>> }
>>>
>>> div.sib-quick-tiddler-jump .tc-dropzone.tc-dragover:before {
>>> display: block;
>>> 

[tw5] Re: Linking to Field Values

[Darth Mole]

@merry.ma

I just had a quick question about your process. I was wondering why you 
were using a field in the tiddler instead of [[MadeupLand]] to create a 
link? Or, I suppose for that matter, why not simply put the  like you had? Not trying to be rude, truly just 
being curious about your process. Is there a particular reason or benefit 
you get from using the value of a field?

Thank you!

On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 7:10:43 PM UTC-4 merry.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, I think this is a pretty basic problem, but I've not been able to 
> figure out how to do it. 
>
> Within tiddlywiki, I have profiles for made-up individuals. I have 
> birthcountry of each individual recorded as a field. I also have 
> wikipedia-style sideboxes with individuals date of birth, date of death, 
> parentage, childrenetc and birthcountry as well.
>
> All I want to do is have it so that I can use the birthcountry field to 
> supply a value that I can use as both text and a link to another tiddler.
>
> For example: 
> John Smith
> Born - 04/05/1872 - Fantasyshire, MadeupLand (with "MadeupLand" value 
> drawn from the field and also used link to a tiddler with the title 
> "MadeupLand")
>
> Currently, I can retrieve the field value:
>
> <$view field=birthcountry/>
>
> And I can manually link to 'MadeupLand':
>
> <$link to="MadeupLand">
>
> But putting them together like this: 
>
> <$link to=<$view field=birthcountry/>
>
> Does not work, I just get "true"
>
> Any help would be much appreciated!
>

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[tw5] Re: Embedded images not showing on Quine2

[Darth Mole]

You have to setup external image references using the _canonical_uri field 
in individual tiddlers - https://tiddlywiki.com/#Images%20in%20WikiText

This link is from the Quine 2 google group and has some examples with a 
similar situation 
- https://groups.google.com/g/quine-app/c/5NQ1WnP0NSw/m/pRHPkFiCBAAJ

I don't have external images in my TiddlyWiki so I haven't done the steps 
outlined in the above links so I can't say for sure how thorough/complete 
the instructions are.

Hope it helps some!

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:36:39 PM UTC-4 iv...@ivanferrero.it wrote:

> Greetings, what's wrong with my syntax?
> My goal is to keep the images external so that they don't accumulate 
> inside the TiddlyWiki file.
> All is good on Desktop using Firefox, but when I open Quine 2 the result 
> is as shown in the screenshot: two small empty squares in place of two 
> images.
> I store my file on iCloud.
> Thank you!
> [image: IMG_3003.jpeg][image: IMG_3004.jpeg]
>

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[tw5] Re: Is List Grouping Using Tags or Tiddler Fields Possible?

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

So I'm not sure if there was some confusion between PMario and I or what 
but I was able to figure it out! :D (Sorry, really giddy even though I'm 
still a little uncertain the details of the solution lol).

<$list filter=[has[sett-type]each[sett-type]]>

''<$view field="sett-type"/>''
<$list filter="[contains:sett-type{!!sett-type}!is[system]sort[title]]">

<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>





I have several Tiddlers each with a custom "sett-type" field with a 
subsequent value. I may have three Tiddlers listed as *Town* and two listed 
as *City*

IE: sett-type: Town or sett-type: City

The above code filters all Tiddlers with the sett-type field and then 
groups them by their sett-type field value.

IE: 

*City*
   City 1
   City 2

*Town*
   Town 1
   Town 2
   Town 3

The big deal, at least for me, is now I don't need placeholder Tiddler's 
for City or Town regarding the toc code. I can replace the toc code on the 
main "Settlements" page (the Settlments index basically) with the above 
filtered list and get the same dynamic effect without the need for 
placeholder tiddlers.

Happy mole! 

<(^.^<) <(^.^)> (>^.^)>

Resources: https://tiddlywiki.com/#GroupedLists, 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/GaBZEjEEUdg, 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#ListWidget

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:42:10 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Thank you very much for clarifying PMario!
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 3:50:26 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>
>> If you want to group something you'll need real tiddlers. Otherwise you 
>> will get the problems you describe.. 
>>
>> You may be interested in the tocP macro which allows you to create tocs 
>> based on fields. The default is the parent field. But it can be any field 
>> name.  BUT you still need tiddlers
>>
>> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/
>>
>> -m
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is List Grouping Using Tags or Tiddler Fields Possible?

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much for clarifying PMario!

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 3:50:26 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> If you want to group something you'll need real tiddlers. Otherwise you 
> will get the problems you describe.. 
>
> You may be interested in the tocP macro which allows you to create tocs 
> based on fields. The default is the parent field. But it can be any field 
> name.  BUT you still need tiddlers
>
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/
>
> -m
>
>

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[tw5] Is List Grouping Using Tags or Tiddler Fields Possible?

[Darth Mole]

I currently am using the toc macro on pages to automatically display 
tiddlers that are considered sub-tiddlers in specific categories. I’m using 
tags to do this. 

IE: The Settlements tiddler has a toc macro to display all tiddlers listed 
as a settlement type via the tags. 

The only problem is that the sub-tiddlers won’t appear until I’ve made an 
individual tiddler, tagged with the Settlements tag, for them to be grouped 
under in the toc. The toc is based on tags AND tiddlers/tiddler titles, not 
just the tags. 

I know there is the list macro but I don’t see how you can limit the list 
of tiddlers by one tag (ie: Settlements) and then group them by a second 
tag (ie: Outpost). Especially if the tiddlers have more than 2 tags. 

I also came across the list grouping by tiddler type, and thought perhaps 
there is a way to do the grouping with a custom tiddler field at the bottom 
of the tiddler but I haven’t been able to make it work. 

Is it even possible to do what I want? I don’t want to have to make a 
placeholder tiddler for every settlement, organization, geography, etc., 
type regarding the toc macro when there isn’t a guarantee even a fraction 
of them would be used. 

Is there perhaps a way to make a hierarchy in the tags using a naming 
convention that will do what I want? IE: Settlement/Outpost

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Embedding tiddler title in image URL

[Darth Mole]

Ok so I was kind of close lol. I didn't use the $(...)$ because I thought 
the vars that created that in the code I had seen was specific to the 
buttons. I also didn't realize that with core variables they didn't need to 
be set if you were using the same name. Thanks Eric!

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 12:51:52 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 7:45:51 PM UTC-7 cjec...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ...embed the tiddler title in the url, i.e.:
>>
> [img[images/{{!!title}}.jpg]]
>> But of course that just gets read literally. I've also tried using a 
>> variable with the same result:
>> <$set name="image" value="images/{{!!title}}.jpg">
>> [image[<>]]
>> 
>>
>
> The problem is that you can't directly mix field transclusion syntax, 
> e.g., {{!!fieldname}}, within other wiki syntax, e.g., [img[...]]
>
> The solution is to define a macro that constructs the desired wiki image 
> syntax, like this:
> \define showImage() [img[images/$(currentTiddler)$.jpg]]
> Then, invoke it like this:
> <>
>
> Notes:
> * By default, within each tiddler, the variable "currentTiddler" holds the 
> name of the tiddler
> * In normal tiddler content, you can use either {{!!title}} or 
> <> to *display* the name of the tiddler
> * Within the macro definition, $(...)$ does a *text substitution* of the 
> indicated variable, where the variable is defined *outside* the macro
> * After variable substitutions are done, the resulting macro content is 
> "returned" for rendering
> * Thus, if the above macro is invoked within a tiddler named "Tiddler1", 
> the macro content returned by <> will be: 
> [img[images/Tiddler1.jpg]], which is the syntax you want.
> * To use <> in multiple tiddlers, just place the showImage() 
> macro definition in a tiddler by itself (e.g., "ShowImageMacro"), and then 
> tag that tiddler with *$:/tags/Macro*.
>
> Also, as an alternative to using a macro definition to construct the 
> desired syntax, you could use the <$image> widget with a parameter value 
> that is assembled using "filtered transclusion", like this:
><$image source={{{ [[images/]addsuffixaddsuffix[.jpg]] 
> }}} />
> However, this syntax is obviously more complex to produce the exact same 
> result.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Embedding tiddler title in image URL

[Darth Mole]

wow, I'm really sorry. If you remove the enclosing [ and ] on the img tag 
code and save it, at least on mine, it displays the tiddler title. So when 
it was a broken img after I added the [ ] on either end I didn't think to 
check to see if it was still working. Sorry about that. Also it seems that 
while I was close, I think, it didn't work out too well.

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 12:24:32 AM UTC-4 cjec...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the quick reply, and for the code.
>
> Unfortunately, it's not working for me. Here's what I've done.
>
> 1. Download a fresh copy of Tiddlywiki
> 2. Create a tiddler called "Test".
> 3. Copy/paste your code into "Test" and save.
>
> I end up with a broken image icon. When I right click and choose "open 
> image in new tab", I get the link:
>
> http://mysite.com/dir/images/%7B%7B!!title%7D%7D.jpg
>
> It's still interpreting {{!!title}} literally.
>
>  --Nathanael
> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 11:14:15 AM UTC+8 iamdar...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think this is what you're looking for? There may be a better way to do 
>> it, but it seems to function based on my tests. Thanks to everyone over the 
>> last two weeks that have helped me so much! I wouldn't have been able to 
>> answer someone's question like this otherwise.
>>
>> \define linkcreation()
>> [img[images/{{!!title}}.jpg]]
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:45:51 PM UTC-4 cjec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Long time lurker, first time poster.
>>>
>>> I've a wiki with a couple of hundred tiddlers all of the same format, 
>>> just different content, so I'm trying to develop a tiddler template.
>>>
>>> Each tiddler displays an image specific to that tiddler. I've a 
>>> directory in which all the images are kept, each with the same name as the 
>>> tiddler {{!!title}} field. E.g.:
>>>
>>> images/Tiddler1.jpg
>>> images/Tiddler2.jpg
>>> images/Tiddler3.jpg
>>>
>>> They idea is to then embed the tiddler title in the url, i.e.:
>>>
>>> [img[images/{{!!title}}.jpg]]
>>>
>>> But of course that just gets read literally. I've also tried using a 
>>> variable with the same result:
>>>
>>> <$set name="image" value="images/{{!!title}}.jpg">
>>> [image[<>]]
>>> 
>>>
>>> How can I do this?
>>>
>>> --Nathanael
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Embedding tiddler title in image URL

[Darth Mole]

I think this is what you're looking for? There may be a better way to do 
it, but it seems to function based on my tests. Thanks to everyone over the 
last two weeks that have helped me so much! I wouldn't have been able to 
answer someone's question like this otherwise.

\define linkcreation()
[img[images/{{!!title}}.jpg]]
\end

<>

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:45:51 PM UTC-4 cjec...@gmail.com wrote:

> Long time lurker, first time poster.
>
> I've a wiki with a couple of hundred tiddlers all of the same format, just 
> different content, so I'm trying to develop a tiddler template.
>
> Each tiddler displays an image specific to that tiddler. I've a directory 
> in which all the images are kept, each with the same name as the tiddler 
> {{!!title}} field. E.g.:
>
> images/Tiddler1.jpg
> images/Tiddler2.jpg
> images/Tiddler3.jpg
>
> They idea is to then embed the tiddler title in the url, i.e.:
>
> [img[images/{{!!title}}.jpg]]
>
> But of course that just gets read literally. I've also tried using a 
> variable with the same result:
>
> <$set name="image" value="images/{{!!title}}.jpg">
> [image[<>]]
> 
>
> How can I do this?
>
> --Nathanael
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki SO cool ...

[Darth Mole]

I have to admit. I totally watched until he started dancing thinking it 
was a video about TiddlyWiki. Like a 5.2.0 trailer type deal lol.

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:04:50 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> https://youtu.be/3YHVC1DcHmo
>
> Oh yeah
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Links vs Tiddlers

[Darth Mole]

Hi @Télumire,

Can you explain a bit more by what you mean regarding fields? Like do you 
mean having a form you fill out that then creates a formatted tiddler or 
something else?

Right now I drag the highlighted url text into my TiddlyWiki for an import, 
renaming it before I hit import. And then I click on the imported tiddler 
link and edit it with the proper tag(s) and description/notes/explanation. 

Thanks for your initial idea and hopefully your reply :)

DM

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 3:03:36 PM UTC-4 Télumire wrote:

> Hi @Victor, 
>
> Personally, I create a tiddler for each bookmark. When I have several 
> similar urls to save, for example a list of online IDE, then I create only 
> one tiddler for the list. This way it reduces clutter but still allows me 
> to tag and filter each link.
>
> Here's my wiki : vaforis.github.io
>
> Currently it has over 600 tiddlers and I didn't notice any lags. Each 
> tiddler has a link and a quick description of the url. 
> I created it a while ago, so this is not very efficient .. if I wanted to 
> redo it, I'd use fields to set the content and use a template to display 
> the content, it would probably shave off quite a bit of space.
>
> Le mar. 22 juin 2021 à 16:37, Victor Dorneanu  a écrit :
>
>> > *If you are asking if the above approach (an individual tiddler per 
>> link with summary pages) is better or worse than a manual page with a bunch 
>> of links you update as you find them then I would say, based on 
>> consideration for the workflow involved, quality of life interaction/steps, 
>> and also the fact that many users here have stated they have massive 
>> tiddlywiki's with little performance hit, that I would stick with what you 
>> have and not be too concern with the size.*
>>
>> That's exactly what I'm asking for. I think it should concern to much 
>> about the size.  
>>
>> > *But if i consider these resources important enough to hold a place in 
>> my Digital Garden (having presumably read or at least skimmed the 
>> articles), then i typically have something more to say about them.*
>>
>> Exactly! I also use to annotate my bookmarks; at least I have a small 
>> note there. Just having a link there has no value for me. 
>>
>> > *In light of your recent article on Note Taking in 2021 
>>  (excellent piece, 
>> b/t/w, what really set my own wheels turning 
>> , along with a good 
>> few others), i don't guess i'm telling you anything new, Victor... But 
>> anyway: thanks again for sparking a bit more introspection into this 
>> process i too often run, but still don't think critically enough about!*
>>
>> Thank you very much! I'm planning to add more posts regarding my 
>> workflow. 
>> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 3:11:11 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Hey @Victor: That's a good question- simple, but profound- one that all 
>>> of us here must answer for ourselves some non-zero number of times most 
>>> days.
>>>
>>> The answer to this for me is a followup Q: What version of my future 
>>> self (i.e. in what context) do i imagine would find this resource to be 
>>> most useful?  
>>> If the answer to that Q comes to me easily enough, then tiddler content 
>>> -description, crossref link(s), tag(s)- then the NoteMaking tends to flow 
>>> quite naturally.  
>>>
>>> If OTOH it does not... Well then i've got yet another note w/ a set of 
>>> links that i may very likely never bother to click.  Take for example your 
>>> note on 4-Day Work Week , 
>>> which links to one canonical definition from Wikipedia, and two articles on 
>>> the topic that i know nothing about beyond the title, where it was 
>>> published, and possibly when (date is URL-encoded on one link, but not on 
>>> the other).  If i'm only interested in the simplest form of NoteTaking 
>>> -i.e. resource curation, the Librarian role- then maybe that serves the 
>>> need.  But if i consider these resources important enough to hold a place 
>>> in my Digital Garden (having presumably read or at least skimmed the 
>>> articles), then i typically have something more to say about them.
>>>
>>> In light of your recent article on Note Taking in 2021 
>>>  (excellent piece, b/t/w, 
>>> what really set my own wheels turning 
>>> , along with a 
>>> good few others), i don't guess i'm telling you anything new, Victor... But 
>>> anyway: thanks again for sparking a bit more introspection into this 
>>> process i too often run, but still don't think critically enough about!
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 11:22:29 AM UTC+1 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 since I was not able to find such a thread, I've decided to create a 
 new one. I just want to read your opinions when it's better to just have 
 links 

[tw5] Re: Links vs Tiddlers

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

I may be misunderstanding/misinterpreting your situation (if so I 
apologize), but if you go to More > All in the tabs on the right hand side 
of your TiddlyWiki you'll see, if I'm reading the contents correctly, 
individual Tiddler's for each of your bookmarks. 

As example:

The first link under the TiddlyWiki How To section can also be found as an 
individual Tiddler here: https://brainfck.org/#Google Groups Thread on 
exporting/rendering Tiddlywiki instances

To me the plugin seems to make and organize the individual tiddlers, as 
bookmarks, for you and then displays them in summary view tiddler's based 
on your settings.

You can also go to More > Tags and scroll down to the green TiddlyWiki tag 
and when you click on it you can see all the individual tiddlers that are 
displayed in the summary bookmark view of the TiddlyWiki page you linked 
above.

If you are asking if the above approach (an individual tiddler per link 
with summary pages) is better or worse than a *manual* page with a bunch of 
links you update as you find them then I would say, based on consideration 
for the workflow involved, quality of life interaction/steps, and also the 
fact that many users here have stated they have massive tiddlywiki's with 
little performance hit, that I would stick with what you have and not be 
too concern with the size.

So far the only concern I've noted on here, regarding TiddlyWiki size, is 
when a Tiddler was renamed and a plugin had to go back and review an index 
of all the tiddler's to see if it needed to update any of them. But that 
seemed to be a unique case.

Again, sorry if I misunderstood your question/situation.

DM
On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:22:29 AM UTC-4 Victor Dorneanu wrote:

> Hi,
>
> since I was not able to find such a thread, I've decided to create a new 
> one. I just want to read your opinions when it's better to just have links 
> (inside a tiddler) and when one should create tiddlers for them (as 
> bookmarks). 
>
> I'll try to describe my current problem. At the moment I use this 
> Bookmarks plugin 
>  to 
> organize my bookmarks. Examples:
>
>- List of bookmarks for Tiddlywiki 
>- List of bookmarks for Golang 
>
> As I discover more sites/resources I'd add them as a bookmark and they'll 
> be automatically listed on those pages. However, doing so will also 
> increase the size of my Tiddlywiki instance. I use nodeJS and call 
> *tiddlywiki 
> tw5 --build index *to build one single html size which then get's 
> uploaded to AWS S3. 
>
> Now I do know it's better to have single tiddlers for each bookmark since 
> you can tag them, filter them and make them available in different 
> locations (one bookmark could also be listed in multiple categories: e.g. 
> Tiddlywiki *and *Golang). But I was thinking adding just links to a 
> single tiddler (like this tiddler 
> ) might be a better 
> approach. 
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks in advance for your input and time.
>
> Cheers,
> Victor 
>

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[tw5] Re: Clear Form Fields After Submit

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much! Works like a charm now! Much much much appreciated!

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 5:20:24 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ... by deleting the temp tiddler the form would be cleared... However, 
>> that functionality isn't occurring
>>
>
>> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>>
>> |  Label:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="label"/>|
>> |   From Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="fromtag"/>  |
>> | Target:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="target"/>   |
>> | Target Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="targettag"/>|
>>
>> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
>> <$button> <$view field="label">join tiddlers 
>><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
>> [tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
>><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
>> 
>> 
>>
>
> Let's suppose the containing tiddler is named "MyForm".  Then the value of 
> <>, as defined in the macro, will be *$:/temp/input/MyForm*.  
> However, once you use <$tiddler tiddler=<>> to surround the $button 
> code, the value of <> *within* the $button code will be 
> *$:/temp/input/$:temp/input/MyForm*, so the $action-deletetiddler refers 
> to the wrong tiddler title and does nothing.
>
> The solution is to move the <$tiddler tiddler=<>> so it only 
> affects the $action-setfield.  Here's a button definition that will work as 
> you intend:
>
> <$button> <$view tiddler=<> field="label">join tiddlers 
><$tiddler tiddler=<>>
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
> [tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
>
><$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />
> 
>
> Notes:
> * The $view widget uses both tiddler=... and field=... to show the 
> correct label text without being inside the <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> * The $action-setfield is still surrounded by the $tiddler widget, so that 
> the field references, {{!!target}}, {!!fromtag} and {{!!targettag}} still 
> get their values from the temp tiddler
> * However, the $action-deletetiddler is no longer within the $tiddler 
> widget, so the <> value referenced there uses the original 
> $(currentTiddler)$ value (i.e., "MyForm") to construct the correct temp 
> tiddler name
> * Also note that the parameter for $action-deletetiddler is $tiddler=... 
> not tiddler=...
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Clear Form Fields After Submit

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

Is there a command that can be included with a button to clear the form 
fields after the button has been hit?

In one of my previous threads 
 it 
was mentioned, at least how I took it, that by deleting the temp tiddler 
the form would be cleared. 

However, that functionality isn't occurring and instead a full refresh of 
the TiddlyWiki file needs to be done before the fields clear (just closing 
and reopening the Tiddler isn't enough either). 

Is there another action that is required to clear the fields without a 
refresh? Thanks!

Code in question:

\define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$

|  Label:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="label"/>|
|   From Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="fromtag"/>  |
| Target:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="target"/>   |
| Target Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="targettag"/>|

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button> <$view field="label">join tiddlers 
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
[tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
   <$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />






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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much!!

It is working, and I think it is working correctly. I don't see anything 
that shouldn't be created created, though if possible can someone please 
review the below code to make sure I'm not beating on a hornets nest? 
Thanks!

!Demographics
<$edit
  tiddler=<>
  tag="textarea"
  field="settlementdemographics"
  class="tc-edit-texteditor tc-edit-texteditor-body"
  placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Body/Placeholder}}
  tabindex={{$:/config/EditTabIndex}}
  focus={{{ [{$:/config/AutoFocus}match[text]then[true]] ~[[false]] }}}
  cancelPopups="yes"

><$list

  filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/EditorToolbar]!has[draft.of]]"

><$reveal

  type="nomatch"
  state=<>
  text="hide"
  class="tc-text-editor-toolbar-item-wrapper"

><$transclude

  tiddler="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/toolbar/button"
  mode="inline"

/>

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:10:34 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> To customize for your needs look at  $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor 
> tiddler to see how it transcludes the toolbar buttons.
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 8:09:43 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> {{|| $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor}}
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:51:04 PM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Annd I'm a complete and utter idiot!
>>>
>>> I said rich text editor and I didn't mean rich text editor >.< 
>>> Furthermore, after reading a different thread I realized that the 
>>> functionality I'm looking for isn't even a type of field, but rather the 
>>> buttons above the field.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to dissect the EditTemplate but can't seem to find the 
>>> right combination to get the formatting shortcut buttons to appear above 
>>> the textarea field. 
>>>
>>> If, instead of "rich text editor" like a moron, I ask "how do I include 
>>> the button shortcuts on a text area field inside of a tiddler?" does that 
>>> make things easier/more sense?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you 
>>>> suggested. Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body 
>>>> field" where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have 
>>>> multiple ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted 
>>>> text from the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> iamdar,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field 
>>>>> editor of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your 
>>>>> own 
>>>>> edit template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default 
>>>>> field 
>>>>> editor. 
>>>>>
>>>>> However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
>>>>> some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.
>>>>>
>>>>> tones
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich 
>>>>>> text editor* input field?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Darth Mole]

Annd I'm a complete and utter idiot!

I said rich text editor and I didn't mean rich text editor >.< Furthermore, 
after reading a different thread I realized that the functionality I'm 
looking for isn't even a type of field, but rather the buttons above the 
field.

I've been trying to dissect the EditTemplate but can't seem to find the 
right combination to get the formatting shortcut buttons to appear above 
the textarea field. 

If, instead of "rich text editor" like a moron, I ask "how do I include the 
button shortcuts on a text area field inside of a tiddler?" does that make 
things easier/more sense?

Thank you!

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you 
> suggested. Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body 
> field" where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have 
> multiple ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted 
> text from the beginning.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> iamdar,
>>
>> You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field editor 
>> of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your own edit 
>> template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default field 
>> editor. 
>>
>> However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?
>>
>> Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
>> some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.
>>
>> tones
>>
>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:
>>>
>>> That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich text 
>>> editor* input field?
>>>
>>> |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you suggested. 
Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body field" 
where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have multiple 
ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted text from 
the beginning.

Thanks!

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> iamdar,
>
> You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field editor 
> of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your own edit 
> template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default field 
> editor. 
>
> However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?
>
> Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
> some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.
>
> tones
>
> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:
>>
>> That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich text 
>> editor* input field?
>>
>> |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Rich Text Editor Field

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:

That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich text 
editor* input field?

|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |

Thanks!

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Hello all and thank you very much for your considerations and up votes! I 
wish to caution though that the when the image is smaller, as it would be 
viewed on the tiddlywiki homepage, the fish is much harder to identify. 
That was one of the reasons I switched things up in the 3rd/4th attempt.

*f.brunsb*, as *Springer* stated it was the last one at the time, the 
floating 5.2.0 with the hand holding it that I really liked.

I don't feel comfortable pointing out one of my own but if I should/need to 
I would say I like my *iamdar-1.png *(Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) the best 
(despite my concern about its visibility when smaller) and then *Logo4.png* 
(Drag'n'Drop JSON LG) next.

I also really like *entw5.png* (Tilted Version) and *entw2.png* (Frank B 
#2).

Thanks!

On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 8:14:15 PM UTC-4 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> springer, if you could replace my first two attempts with the below 
> smaller-sized version, I'd appreciate it.[image: v5.2.0_banner_brian.png]
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>
>> Frank, and all,
>>
>> My own sense is that your last entry is the most compelling of your set 
>> (and is probably the post to which IAmDarthMole is replying), followed by 
>> your #2. 
>>
>> Out of IAmDarthMole's submissions, I think (as Frank did, apparently) 
>> that the first one (Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) has the most coherence.
>>
>> I also love James' RGB image, though it's a bit crowded out to the edges. 
>> James, if you would pull everything in just a bit to give the content 
>> breathing room, I think it would be a good contender!
>>
>> Out of Brian's submissions, I think the second captures something of the 
>> drag-and-drop cues better than the first. For some reason, though, the 
>> filesize is very large (on both submissions). So I think it would be a 
>> better contender if the same idea could fit into a leaner file.
>>
>> In my more recent attempts I've been stepping away from including the 
>> full "TiddlyWiki" label since (1) including that text is a bit redundant in 
>> its use-context, and was not part of the version-number images prior to 
>> 5.1.23, and (2) even if TiddlyWiki isn't ready to rebrand *now*, it's 
>> possible that the conversation will be at a different place by the time we 
>> approach the *next* revision... I'm agnostic about what should happen, but 
>> I suppose it might be a strong point for a version's graphic banner just to 
>> focus on the version number along with whatever feature-hints can show up 
>> without getting too busy.
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:32:41 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to all artwork fans,
>>>
>>> I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already agree 
>>> on a few pictures where changes make sense.
>>>
>>> My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the 
>>> best anyway), here without a ranking:
>>>
>>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>>- 名称未設定.png (James W)
>>>
>>> have a nice night, Frank
>>>
>>> PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
>>> springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:
>>>
 Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- 
 are all posted for easy comparison at 

 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

 Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
 withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, 
 Frank 
 B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 

 If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to 
 see a variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to 
 give it a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this 
 kind of tinkering).

 -Springer
 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> something really basic:
>
> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>
> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>
> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have something more...
>> [image: entw5.png]
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>>
>>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>>
>>>
 Author: IAmDarthMole
 Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG

 [image: Logo4.png]

>>>
>>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>>> Just saying, TT 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Drop Down Fields/Content Filtering

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 3:38:32 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:56:53 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My question is if there is a way to show a drop down field, with the 
>> options prepopulated, and have it act like the edit-text fields above vs 
>> overwriting the entire tiddler immediately with the selection?
>>
>
> When you define your $select widget, you need to *specify the tiddler=... 
> and field=... parameters*, just as you do with the $edit-text widget.
> Otherwise, the $select widget defaults to changing the "text" field of the 
> current tiddler.
>
> Thus:
> <$select tiddler=<> field="organization">{{OrgList}}
> Where the "OrgList" tiddler's text field has content like this:
> Foo
> Bar
> Baz
> Mumble Frotz
> Gronk
>
> Alternatively, you can simplify the OrgList tiddler's contents by using a 
> $select widget containing a <$list> widget, like this:
> <$select tiddler=<> field="organization">
><$list filter={{OrgList}} 
> variable="org"><>
> 
> Where OrgList contains just a white-space separated list of values, like 
> this:
> Foo Bar Baz [[Mumble Frotz]] Gronk
> (note the use of doubled square brackets surrounding values that contain 
> spaces)
>
> As a third alternative, you could store the "OrgList" in a field of the 
> current tiddler.  Thus:
> <$select tiddler=<> field="organization">
><$list filter={{!!orglist}} 
> variable="org"><>
> 
> where the "orglist" field value contains a white-space separated, 
> bracketed list as shown above.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Drop Down Fields/Content Filtering

[Darth Mole]

Possibly a strange question.

I have a massive list of organization type as well as 
others lists. 

I found, and got, the following drop down field working with a Tiddler for 
the field itself, and then another tiddler with all the options, one a new 
line, and surrounded by the option code. I then transclude the tiddler with 
the list into the selection section of the field code:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#SelectWidget

However, by default it seems that no matter what, when a selection is made, 
it immediately writes to a new, or the current tiddler, and replaces 
everything with the chosen value.

Below is a snippet from a code provided to me in an earlier thread in order 
to generate a new Tiddler based on the values typed into the text fields.

\define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$

\define tocscript()
$(storyname)$

<>

\end

|  Story Name*:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
|   Story Abbreviation**:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> 
field="storyabbrev"/>  |

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button> Create Story
   <$vars storyabbrev={{!!storyabbrev}} storyname={{!!storyname}}>
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text=<> 
tags="Stories" />
   <$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
   



My question is if there is a way to show a drop down field, with the 
options prepopulated, and have it act like the edit-text fields above vs 
overwriting the entire tiddler immediately with the selection?

Or is there another way to reference/pick from predefined content in the 
body of the tiddler while editing it? 

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Edit While Scrolling Content CSS

[Darth Mole]

Thanks TiddlyTweeter! My idea came from a personal workflow preference, so 
it is rather unique in that sense.

I also understand where you are coming from regarding a CSS Manipulator, 
however, I can also see the major issue there having a background with web 
development.

Having a CSS manipulator macro isn't the issue, it is having the underlying 
code available to support it.

All the CSS changes in my script above, as well as the script it is based 
off of, is simply changing existing elements and their behaviors. It isn't 
creating new elements. CSS can't do that. I'm pretty sure that Stroll, as a 
plugin, adds a new element completely, that is how it can have two columns.

I also think that Muuri Storyview does something similar. 

I don't think it is realistic to expect TiddlyWiki to include that type of 
functionality in its base form due to the level of adjustments needed. It 
took the basic of forms because it was a solid decision from a broadly 
supported view point. I'm assuming that is why no one has created a "be all 
end all" customization plug-in because the effort would be massive. 

IE: If I had my way with my original two row design wish, I would have had 
at least two scroll bars, one for the top row and one for the bottom, and 
then possibly a third if the two rows together had a height higher than the 
user's resolution, or, if they had an index or lots of tags on display. 
Then it comes down to; do you want the rows to remain there while the rest 
of the page scrolls or do you want the rows to scroll up when you go down 
the page. If the height of the two rows is more than the resolution then 
you have to consider that you'll be moving the page if you scroll in the 
wrong area versus one of the rows. 

The ability to do what we want with TiddlyWiki is definitely there, as it 
has been customized by so many already. I just don't think some kind of 
blank canvas customization option is possible. Perhaps some kind of layout 
picker, where you have two adjustable columns like in Stroll, or two 
adjustable rows that work like the columns due in Stroll, or two rows with 
the top row being two columns, or two rows with the bottom row being two 
columns. Then you could have a keyboard+mouse combination (like Stroll's 
Shift+Left Click) to force linked Tiddlers to load inside whichever section 
of the layout they are in so you could create a menu/interface type 
solution.

I just think the expectations and goals in what you suggest is similar to a 
new type of personal application, versus a fancy or beefed up TiddlyWiki.

Just my thoughts of course, and I hope I didn't make any offensive 
assumptions with your knowledge. I was just trying to cover all my bases in 
the examples and reasons.

Thanks again!

DM

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:29:16 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The below CSS is a slightly modified submission by Soren over on a 
>> different thread: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/AbBmtgL7s74
>>
>> When a Tiddler is edited it drops to the bottom of the screen and stays 
>> there until it is saved. While locked at the bottom of the screen you can 
>> still open and scroll through other Tiddlers. When scrolling the Tiddlers 
>> being viewed go behind the one being edited. Also, the edit Tiddler is set 
>> to 500px height so if the Tiddler has a lot of content a scrollbar will 
>> appear vs it pushing up the screen and covering more of the stream. I 
>> wanted to post it here because the above thread was getting very long and I 
>> wanted to share the below code in case it was helpful for anyone else.
>>
>> div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
>> auto; } 
>> div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
>> margin-right: auto; max-height: 500px; overflow:auto; position: fixed; 
>> bottom: 0; z-index:2; } 
>> div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }  
>> .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; } 
>> div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }
>>
>
> Very good stuff! It is clever!
> But, would it not be better if we could collectively produce such 
> mini-style-sheets dynamically in TW??? 
>
> What I find OFF is any idea there is some "optimal" solution to these 
> issues.
> PERSONALLY I simply find the needed solution will often be variable by 
> Application???
> As I mentioned elsewhere, I kinda think that some kind of "CSS 
> Manipulator" macro is really the way to go???
>
> Just thoughts
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

I really like that design f.brunsb!

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have something more...
> [image: entw5.png]
>
> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>
>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>
>>
>>> Author: IAmDarthMole
>>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>>>
>>> [image: Logo4.png]
>>>
>>
>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>> Just saying, TT 
>>
>

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[tw5] Edit While Scrolling Content CSS

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

The below CSS is a slightly modified submission by Soren over on a 
different thread: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/AbBmtgL7s74

When a Tiddler is edited it drops to the bottom of the screen and stays 
there until it is saved. While locked at the bottom of the screen you can 
still open and scroll through other Tiddlers. When scrolling the Tiddlers 
being viewed go behind the one being edited. Also, the edit Tiddler is set 
to 500px height so if the Tiddler has a lot of content a scrollbar will 
appear vs it pushing up the screen and covering more of the stream. I 
wanted to post it here because the above thread was getting very long and I 
wanted to share the below code in case it was helpful for anyone else.

div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
auto; } 
div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
margin-right: auto; max-height: 500px; overflow:auto; position: fixed; 
bottom: 0; z-index:2; } 
div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }  
.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; } 
div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }


Some things to consider:

1) If you Edit more than one tiddler at a time they will overlap each other.
2) If you use a plugin like Stroll, specifically its two column view, while 
the edit tiddler will move to the bottom and allow scrolling, the alignment 
is based on which column the tiddler was in prior to selecting edit.
3) This is new code so any unintended effects it may have on other areas of 
TiddlyWiki are unknown.

Thanks!


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[tw5] Re: empty.html should start with a "Centered story, fixed sidebar" setting.

[Darth Mole]

*two *row* view for my World Building project. 

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 12:01:32 AM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> @Soren,
>
> I have been trying to make a two column view for my World Building 
> project. The idea was that someone could be editing a Tiddler (entry) or 
> writing a chapter (again a Tiddler) and then have the world details above 
> in an isolated row that scrolled. Kind of like Stroll but instead of two 
> columns it would have two rows to switch the Tiddlers between. 
>
> However, your CSS gave me an idea and my question is, as I sit here 
> shaking and jittering like I have wy too much sugar, can you tell 
> me if my changes to the edit-frame css breaks anything in your mind? 
>
> I think I figured out how I can, and now want to, have the edit and 
> viewing breakdown. Again, I just want to make sure I'm not butchering 
> something else without realizing it. Thank you so much if you can and for 
> your CSS/idea!
>
> div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
> auto; } 
> div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
> margin-right: auto; max-height: 500px; overflow:auto; position: fixed; 
> bottom: 0; z-index:2; } 
> div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }  
> .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; } 
> div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:44:00 PM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> While we're discussing story river layouts, I've been playing with the 
>> following odd-looking but surprisingly functional layout for a couple of 
>> days, in an attempt to make optimal use of the 24" monitors where I do most 
>> of my editing:
>>
>> [image: widening.png]
>>
>> As you can see, the story river is centered, but tiddlers get wider when 
>> you go into edit mode, so there's additional space for a side-by-side 
>> preview when editing but lines don't get too long to comfortably read when 
>> viewing. I also changed the division between the editor and the preview to 
>> 70/30 instead of 50/50, which usually gets the paragraphs on the left and 
>> right to almost exactly line up, rather than the wikitext rapidly getting 
>> longer than the preview (a smaller difference like 60/40 might be a better 
>> compromise if you edit with a lot of images or transclusions).
>>
>> CSS on top of the default theme and fluid-fixed layout:
>>
>> div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
>> auto; }
>> div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
>> margin-right: auto; }
>> div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }
>> .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; }
>> div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }
>>
>> Still in alpha stages, and probably much too odd to implement in core, 
>> but maybe interesting to somebody. :-)
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 4:39:02 PM UTC-5 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mario, we just had the pleasure, but others are welcome to read my 
>>> opinion as well.
>>>
>>> Not a bad idea as far as it goes. Better than the original alignment of 
>>> the empty.html.
>>> But I would like to see another variant "All centered". Of course, both 
>>> side by side but shown together in the center. 
>>> [image: Eg_centered.png]
>>>
>>> PMario schrieb am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021 um 21:28:21 UTC+2:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks, 
>>>> According to the feedback from empty.html should start with 
>>>> "fluid-fixed" layout 
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/m0XycQ8DrI0/m/2A3qssqDAQAJ> 
>>>> I did create a new setting in the ControlPanel : Appearance : Theeme Tweaks
>>>>
>>>>  - Centered story, fixed sidebar
>>>>
>>>> If the option is set, the metrics elements, that can't be used are 
>>>> "grayd out". 
>>>>
>>>> The PR is at: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5800
>>>>
>>>> [image: centered-fixed-01.gif]
>>>>
>>>> Feedback is welcome.
>>>> -mario
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: empty.html should start with a "Centered story, fixed sidebar" setting.

[Darth Mole]

@Soren,

I have been trying to make a two column view for my World Building project. 
The idea was that someone could be editing a Tiddler (entry) or writing a 
chapter (again a Tiddler) and then have the world details above in an 
isolated row that scrolled. Kind of like Stroll but instead of two columns 
it would have two rows to switch the Tiddlers between. 

However, your CSS gave me an idea and my question is, as I sit here shaking 
and jittering like I have wy too much sugar, can you tell me if my 
changes to the edit-frame css breaks anything in your mind? 

I think I figured out how I can, and now want to, have the edit and viewing 
breakdown. Again, I just want to make sure I'm not butchering something 
else without realizing it. Thank you so much if you can and for your 
CSS/idea!

div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
auto; } 
div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
margin-right: auto; max-height: 500px; overflow:auto; position: fixed; 
bottom: 0; z-index:2; } 
div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }  
.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; } 
div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:44:00 PM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> While we're discussing story river layouts, I've been playing with the 
> following odd-looking but surprisingly functional layout for a couple of 
> days, in an attempt to make optimal use of the 24" monitors where I do most 
> of my editing:
>
> [image: widening.png]
>
> As you can see, the story river is centered, but tiddlers get wider when 
> you go into edit mode, so there's additional space for a side-by-side 
> preview when editing but lines don't get too long to comfortably read when 
> viewing. I also changed the division between the editor and the preview to 
> 70/30 instead of 50/50, which usually gets the paragraphs on the left and 
> right to almost exactly line up, rather than the wikitext rapidly getting 
> longer than the preview (a smaller difference like 60/40 might be a better 
> compromise if you edit with a lot of images or transclusions).
>
> CSS on top of the default theme and fluid-fixed layout:
>
> div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
> auto; }
> div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
> margin-right: auto; }
> div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }
> .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; }
> div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }
>
> Still in alpha stages, and probably much too odd to implement in core, but 
> maybe interesting to somebody. :-)
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 4:39:02 PM UTC-5 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Mario, we just had the pleasure, but others are welcome to read my 
>> opinion as well.
>>
>> Not a bad idea as far as it goes. Better than the original alignment of 
>> the empty.html.
>> But I would like to see another variant "All centered". Of course, both 
>> side by side but shown together in the center. 
>> [image: Eg_centered.png]
>>
>> PMario schrieb am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021 um 21:28:21 UTC+2:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks, 
>>> According to the feedback from empty.html should start with 
>>> "fluid-fixed" layout 
>>>  I 
>>> did create a new setting in the ControlPanel : Appearance : Theeme Tweaks
>>>
>>>  - Centered story, fixed sidebar
>>>
>>> If the option is set, the metrics elements, that can't be used are 
>>> "grayd out". 
>>>
>>> The PR is at: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5800
>>>
>>> [image: centered-fixed-01.gif]
>>>
>>> Feedback is welcome.
>>> -mario
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Ok, modified 3rd attempt, so technically 4th, with different/larger arrow 
and hand to hopefully be a bit more visible when smaller. Also added a 
border. 

Author: IAmDarthMole
Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG



[image: Logo4.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
> won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of any 
> other way to show "drag and drop"
>
> Author: IAmDarthMole
> Name: Drag n Drop JSON
>
> [image: Logo3.png]
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
>>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
>>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>>
>>
>> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is 
>> I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
>> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>>
>> Just thoughts
>> TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of any 
other way to show "drag and drop"

Author: IAmDarthMole
Name: Drag n Drop JSON

[image: Logo3.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>
>
> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is 
> I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>
> Just thoughts
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Hello Springer and thank you for handling the entries. Please see below for 
my details.

First Entry-
Name: Assorted Swedish Tiddlers (like the Swedish Fish candy)
Author: IAmDarthMole

Second Entry-
Name: Assorted Swedish Tiddler Fields (original I know)
Author: IAmDarthMole

If I enter anymore I'll be sure to include the name and my name :)

Thanks again!

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-4 springer wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't think 
> tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, and 
> presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've embedded 
> each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final entries from 
> the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of continuity:
>
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer!
>>
>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>
>> Minor comments:
>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>> dropbox?
>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
>> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>> 3. It is good to have 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
>> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Here is another attempt based on what I read regarding a focus on fields.

[image: Logo2.png]

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> One of my attempts so far. Hope it isn't too off the mark!
>
> [image: Logo1.png]
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer!
>>
>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>
>> Minor comments:
>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>> dropbox?
>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
>> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>> 3. It is good to have 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
>> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>>
>>> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mat
>>>>
>>>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
>>>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
>>>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
>>>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
>>>> '5.2.0'.
>>>>
>>>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
>>>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
>>>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>>>
>>>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
>>>> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should 
>>>> be 
>>>> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the 
>>>> other. 
>>>>
>>>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
>>>> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! 
>>>> E.g 
>>>> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
>>>> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>>>>
>>>> <:-)
>>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
>>>>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>>>>
>>>>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without 
>>>>> .0 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be 
>>>>> easier 
>>>>> to come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>>>>
>>>>> <:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
>>>>>> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
>>>>>> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
>>>>>> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
>>>>>> format 
>>>>>> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
>>>>>> tools that produce or consume TW5 sta

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

One of my attempts so far. Hope it isn't too off the mark!

[image: Logo1.png]

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Springer!
>
> I love your artwork! very nice!
>
> Minor comments:
> 1. Why not host the image on 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
> dropbox?
> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
> 3. It is good to have 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>
>> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>
>> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mat
>>>
>>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
>>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
>>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
>>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
>>> '5.2.0'.
>>>
>>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
>>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
>>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>>
>>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
>>> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be 
>>> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>>>
>>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
>>> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g 
>>> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
>>> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
 more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
 to 
 actual tiddlers. Great progress!

 @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
 come up with ideas for fewer digits.

 <:-)

 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>
> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
> format 
> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>
> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
> tools 
> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>
> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
> ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
> us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
> prominently as possible.
>
> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we 
> can 
> have fields called "⛄️".
>
> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
> inspected here:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>
> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the 
> opening 
> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
> the changes in the new version.
>
> The rules for the competition are:
>
> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
> * 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Just something I threw together.

[image: Logo1.png]

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Springer!
>
> I love your artwork! very nice!
>
> Minor comments:
> 1. Why not host the image on 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
> dropbox?
> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
> 3. It is good to have 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>
>> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>
>> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mat
>>>
>>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
>>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
>>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
>>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
>>> '5.2.0'.
>>>
>>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
>>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
>>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>>
>>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
>>> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be 
>>> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>>>
>>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
>>> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g 
>>> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
>>> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
 more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
 to 
 actual tiddlers. Great progress!

 @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
 come up with ideas for fewer digits.

 <:-)

 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>
> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
> format 
> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>
> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
> tools 
> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>
> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
> ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
> us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
> prominently as possible.
>
> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we 
> can 
> have fields called "⛄️".
>
> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
> inspected here:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>
> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the 
> opening 
> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
> the changes in the new version.
>
> The rules for the competition are:
>
> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
> * The image must be a PNG, 

[tw5] Re: Removing Collapsible Arrow/Funcion from toc-tabbed-internal-nav

[Darth Mole]

Hello Springer and thank you for your reply!

I have used Tabs elsewhere, sadly it doesn't provide the same functionality 
as the toc-tabbed-internal-nav macro. They look similar but when you use 
the -internal- links clicked on inside of displayed tiddlers open in the 
right hand column. It keeps the display all inside the single tiddler. You 
don't have access to the tiddler controls though. It was the opening new 
tiddlers inside the right column that I was looking to use.

Thank you again though! 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:56:04 PM UTC-4 springer wrote:

> If you don't want the hierarchical deep-dive that the toc macro offers, 
> you could just use a set of tabs:
>
> <>
>
> (Here, you'll get one tab for each tiddler with the BigIdeas tag, with the 
> one entitled StartHere displaying by default.)
>
> -Springer
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 12:47:37 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I'm currently in a love hate relationship with the 
>> new toc-tabbed-internal-nav macro for my current project. 
>>
>> I'm not even sure if what I want to do is possible:
>>
>> Is there anyway to remove the > that appears next to the headers? 
>>
>> I only want the first level to show on the left of the two column window 
>> that is generated by using the above macro. 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

Ok, that error remains but the other one about the missing libconfg2-4 is 
gone it seems. I'll look into it a bit more.

TiddlyDesktop is basically an application that allows a user to open, 
modify, and save their TiddlyWikis (the .html files) on their desktop. 
Since TiddlyWiki contains various scripts that require an active server (or 
equivalent) to properly function. TiddlyDesktop provides the needed 
environment. You can also use an externally hosted service like TiddlyHost, 
it just won't be on your local machine. There are also browser plugins for 
you to host and edit your TiddlyWiki files from online file sharing 
services like Google Drive or Dropbox.

Instead of using TiddlyDesktop to create your TiddlyWikis you can also just 
go to https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted and then click on the blue 
download button. The empty.html is a fully functional TiddlyWiki file. 
Below the download button is also an area that you can use to see what 
options are available to use TiddlyWiki based on OS and/or Browser 
requirements.

In fact, you may want to try doing the download and then using 
TiddlyDesktop to *Open* the empty.html file you downloaded into your 
Downloads folder to see if it still throws the error.

TiddlyDesktop is simply a single tool among many that allows a user to 
properly use the TiddlyWiki html file.

Hope this helps a bit! Let me know if you still get the error after you 
download the TiddlyWiki file from TiddlyWiki.com and then *open* it using 
TiddlyDesktop *versus* trying to *create* it in TiddlyDesktop.

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 4:45:11 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> Yeah I'm still getting the same error message: 
>
> [9629:9629:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() 
> called with multiple threads in process gpu-process. 
>
> I figured that I can still edit the html files after creating them by 
> opening the file manually (not using TiddlyDesktop)
>
> I can use TiddlyDesktop to create the new HTML files, then shut down TD by 
> exiting the terminal, and then editing teh html file by clicking on the 
> file where it's stored.
>
> I'm wondering, besides making saving files a breeze and managing backups, 
> are there any other benefits to TiddlyDesktop? The error I'm having just 
> stops me
> from using TD to open/manage the files. I think can deal with having to 
> manually back up the files.
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding this problem I'd be happy to answer. 
> Or any possible solutions. 
>
> Thanks for continuing to look into this, I appreciate any help I can get 
> because I'd like to use TiddlyWiki for work.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 11:30:25 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is still giving the same exact error as before?
>>
>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 2:08:32 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> Ok I followed the instructions and I've successfully installed 
>>> libgconf2-4 but unfortunately the problem persists.
>>>
>>> Frustrating!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:37 AM Darth Mole  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The instructions seem legit.
>>>>
>>>> Try checking out the instructions on this site as well: 
>>>> https://itsfoss.com/unable-to-locate-package-error-ubuntu/
>>>>
>>>> itsfoss.com, imo, is a great website and I've found many of solutions 
>>>> on there.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 12:19:42 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the advice, but it didn't work. I got this message:
>>>>>
>>>>> ~& sudo apt install libconf2-4
>>>>> [sudo] password for user:
>>>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>>>> Building dependency tree
>>>>> Reading state information... Done
>>>>> E: Unable to locate package libconf2-4
>>>>>
>>>>> This website doesn't look reputable, which is why I'm not just trying 
>>>>> out what it recommends.
>>>>> https://zoomadmin.com/HowToInstall/UbuntuPackage/libgconf-2-4
>>>>>
>>>>> But the website suggests that to install libconf2-4 I have to write:
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get update -y
>>>>> sudo apt-get install -y libgconf-2-4 
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone confirm that this would be the way to go?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:36:26 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I preface what I'm about to write with: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm very new to linux as well and probably just

[tw5] Re: Guide to font-size in TiddlyWiki?

[Darth Mole]

Glad the information was of some use :) Congrats and good luck!

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 8:45:15 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Thanks iamdar... and Brian! Brian's snippet did the trick, and I am 
> learning from iamgar's advice too!
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 6:36:47 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just to confirm you want all the text related to items 1 through 8 to be 
>> the same size?
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am having a rough time of it in TiddlyWiki today.
>>>
>>> I just want the font-size of the following to all be the same:
>>>
>>> 1. Regular text in a tiddler.
>>> 2. Text in transclusions 
>>> 3. Text in the sidebar lists. 
>>> 4. Text in tables.
>>>
>>> 5-8 below tend to be smaller than 1-4 above.
>>>
>>> 5. Text in ordered and unordered lists. 
>>> 6. Text in custom ViewTemplate tiddlers.
>>> 7. Text with  tags around it 
>>> 8. Text in a  or 
>>>
>>> I have removed "font-size" from the Stylesheet tiddlers I thought 
>>> relevant, as well as from Theme Tweaks in the control panel. But none of 
>>> that seems to improve things.
>>>
>>> Example link: 
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/detalles.sandbox.html#Los%20dichos%20'Yo%20soy'%20en%20los%20Evangelios
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a guide to font-size CC for TiddlyWiki? Or can see what I 
>>> am doing wrong?
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Guide to font-size in TiddlyWiki?

[Darth Mole]

If yes try adding the following css to your css tiddler.

body, p, ol, il, strong {

font-size: fontsize !important;
}

Replace the word *fontsize* with one of the values from the property values 
section of the below page:

https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_font_font-size.asp

IE: small, medium, or x-large

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just to confirm you want all the text related to items 1 through 8 to be 
> the same size?
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> I am having a rough time of it in TiddlyWiki today.
>>
>> I just want the font-size of the following to all be the same:
>>
>> 1. Regular text in a tiddler.
>> 2. Text in transclusions 
>> 3. Text in the sidebar lists. 
>> 4. Text in tables.
>>
>> 5-8 below tend to be smaller than 1-4 above.
>>
>> 5. Text in ordered and unordered lists. 
>> 6. Text in custom ViewTemplate tiddlers.
>> 7. Text with  tags around it 
>> 8. Text in a  or 
>>
>> I have removed "font-size" from the Stylesheet tiddlers I thought 
>> relevant, as well as from Theme Tweaks in the control panel. But none of 
>> that seems to improve things.
>>
>> Example link: 
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/detalles.sandbox.html#Los%20dichos%20'Yo%20soy'%20en%20los%20Evangelios
>>
>> Anyone know of a guide to font-size CC for TiddlyWiki? Or can see what I 
>> am doing wrong?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Guide to font-size in TiddlyWiki?

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

Just to confirm you want all the text related to items 1 through 8 to be 
the same size?

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

>
> I am having a rough time of it in TiddlyWiki today.
>
> I just want the font-size of the following to all be the same:
>
> 1. Regular text in a tiddler.
> 2. Text in transclusions 
> 3. Text in the sidebar lists. 
> 4. Text in tables.
>
> 5-8 below tend to be smaller than 1-4 above.
>
> 5. Text in ordered and unordered lists. 
> 6. Text in custom ViewTemplate tiddlers.
> 7. Text with  tags around it 
> 8. Text in a  or 
>
> I have removed "font-size" from the Stylesheet tiddlers I thought 
> relevant, as well as from Theme Tweaks in the control panel. But none of 
> that seems to improve things.
>
> Example link: 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/detalles.sandbox.html#Los%20dichos%20'Yo%20soy'%20en%20los%20Evangelios
>
> Anyone know of a guide to font-size CC for TiddlyWiki? Or can see what I 
> am doing wrong?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much for pointing out a fantastic plugin I hadn't found yet!

Unfortunately I didn't correctly describe what I was looking for. Your 
example was indeed a horizontal view option.

However, what I meant was instead of two columns in the story view, have 
two rows, where once you set the ratio (say 50/50) both will create a 
scrollbar if needed so you aren't scrolling the entire story view.

Stroll's Shift+Left click option to open a tiddler in the secondary column, 
plus a two row story view (versus the current two column story view in 
Stroll), with the top row being set to Zoomin? Oh that type of interface 
for the project I"m working on just makes me drool so much.

However, I have since transitioned from trying to find the "perfect" 
interface (which would be based on my opinion) for my project and am now 
just working on the functionality. I'll let the user decide what interface 
plugin they want to use based on their own preferences.

Thanks again!

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 12:56:13 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> The Mentat Mantra is good ... 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBb_tPPA8E
>
> "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion ... " 
>
> TT
>
> On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 14:20:32 UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Merv, 
>>
>> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
>> from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
>> then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
>> second column would be unnecessary. See 
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
>> tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
>>> https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
>>> fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, the 
>>> two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
>>> experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?
>>>
>>> Merv
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Aeolian, An Adaptive Typographic Scale

[Darth Mole]

Very cool! I was just starting to look into globally scaling down some 
interface elements I created so this is right on the path I was heading. 
Thanks!

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 6:47:21 AM UTC-4 Euthymious wrote:

> Hello, I've been silenlty reading this group for some while, but this is 
> my first real post with something to share. 
>
> I am just learning how to use TW5, in particular trying to figure out how 
> css styling works.
>
> So, here  is my humble attempt of 
> styling TiddlyWiki, using a modular typographic scale and adding some 
> responsiveness. On desktop it utilizes a scale ratio of 1.2 and rather wide 
> line spacing, and degrades to more "compact" line height and ratio of 1.125 
> on small mobile screens.
>
> Not much to appreciate yet, but I have learned quite a bit while making it 
> and would be glad if anybody finds it useful.
>

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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[Darth Mole]

Hello Merv,

I preface this by saying I didn't design any of the plugins in question, 
though I have been messing with them a lot recently for my own project.

As David stated you can use the backlink system, relinks, and autocomplete 
from Stroll with the interface of Mentat.

However, with the current TiddlyWiki version Mentat is very unstable and 
even if you can bring it under control something as simple as flipping 
between themes causes it to act up again. I love the concept of Mentat but 
it definitely needs some love.

This is a link to one of my posts outlining all the steps I took in trying 
to get Mentat to work (you can also see the final one where I found that 
switching between themes broke it 
again): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kCSxf7DaXYw/m/gFA9ZTm-AwAJ

Stroll is definitely, at least in my opinion, much more polished and 
stable, even the two column display which I enjoy immensely! My only wish 
is that there was a horizontal view option.

Hope this was helpful in some way!


On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 8:20:32 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Merv, 
>
> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
> from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
> then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
> second column would be unnecessary. See 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
> tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
>> https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
>> fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, the 
>> two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
>> experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?
>>
>> Merv
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Building a book/blog webpage -- is TW5 right for it?

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

As much as I love TiddlyWiki and think it could work for your use cases, I 
feel I would be remiss to not point out another option: *WordPress*



On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 7:37:42 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Kosmaton
>
> You could use TiddlyWiki in node.js, and export and upload tiddlers to 
> your free webhosting service as static htmls, no database needed. With some 
> CSS, you could design it as you wish, in a way that it doesn't look 
> TiddlyWiki-ish, and there are plugins to make the layout mobile-friendly. 
> The book page, home page and news page are all doable. The book page could 
> be handled with details elements (HTML, not the details widget plugin) and 
> transclusions. So yes, everything you mentioned can be done.
>
> Alternately, you could do the same with a regular standalone TW uploaded 
> to your free webhosting service. Doing it as a standalone means the opening 
> page would not load as quickly as a small static html page, but most people 
> wouldn't notice the difference, and it would give you many more options for 
> how to handle the book page, for example the table of contents feature in 
> TiddlyWiki.
>
> What might not work, though I may be wrong, is having a user comments 
> section, but then you did not mention that. I know there is at least one 
> user comments plugin, but I haven't played with it.
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5 Kosmaton wrote:
>
>> Hello Tiddly people,
>>  
>> I'm meaning to create a new website, and I'd like to ask your opinion 
>> whether TiddlyWiki is the right tool (or one of the tools) for it.
>>  
>> I used to have a pre-TW5 site on TiddlySpace back in the day. I'm 
>> semi-programming-and-webdesign-literate, in an ad hoc and rusty way. No 
>> experience with databases unfortunately, which may be relevant.
>>  
>> The website I have in mind would be a combination of a non-fiction book 
>> (already written, but expandable/changeable), and an associated blog. The 
>> book is organized as a big tree of numbered paragraphs/sections: 1, 1.1, 
>> 1.1.1, 1.2, 2, 2.1 etc. These sections frequently refer to one another; 
>> it's a hypertext in itself.
>>  
>> * The site would mainly need to have:
>>  
>> 1) a page that displays the book, with a Table of Contents.
>>   - The TOC should be hideable as a whole.
>>   - The branches of the TOC should be collapsible, i.e. click on 1 to 
>> show 1.1 and 1.2, click again to hide them, etc.
>>   - It may be excessive to load all the text of the book (all the 
>> sections) into the viewport (some 70,000 words). But it would be nice if 
>> the reader saw a bit more than just the section they're currently reading. 
>> Basically a pdf-reader-like experience would be good.
>>   - optional: Sections of the book may get revisions, and the visitor 
>> should be able to see the revisions. (This would probably get a lot more 
>> complicated if I want to allow for reordering, deletion and creation of 
>> sections...)
>>   - The book currently exists as a LibreOffice Writer .odt file, with 
>> sections actually organized as headings. Ideally I'd like to automate the 
>> process of getting them into the TiddlyWiki.
>>  
>> 2) a blog/news page
>>   - Blog posts are expected to regularly contain links to book sections, 
>> or entire transcluded sections.
>>   - Posts must be able to acommodate audio files; a regular HTML > controls> seems sufficient.
>>  
>> 3) a Home page that could e.g. display
>>   - the most recent blog post (truncated if necessary)
>>   - a sort of carousel widget with single sections from the book, with 
>> arrows left and right to flip through them. These sections could be either 
>> randomly taken from the whole book, or from a hand-picked subset of 
>> sections (which I should be able to adjust).
>>  
>> * The thing really ought to be 'responsive', i.e. look fine on small 
>> screens too. This might not be obvious for something like the TOC.
>>  
>> * Towards the visitor it should not present a very TiddlyWikish face. I'm 
>> keen to acknowledge/praise/recommend TW in the About page; but the casual 
>> visitor should not focus on the underlying tech.
>>  
>> * I don't intend to have a server of my own. The free webhost I've 
>> happily used before allows for up to 2 databases, with a choice between 
>> "5.7-MySQL . 10.5-MariaDB . 13.2-PgSQL".
>>  
>> So:
>>  
>> Does this sound feasible with TW5 as a base? (Or would you suggest some 
>> other framework? If it's /challenging/ with TW, but /easy/ with XYZ, 
>> I'd like to hear about XYZ too! :)
>>  
>> How would I set this up as far as server / databases etc. go?
>>  
>> If I go ahead with this, there's bound to be more detailed questions 
>> regarding the functionalities mentioned above; but if you already see any 
>> immediate solutions (plugins, say) please shout.
>>  
>> Apologies for the length of this post. I don't expect anyone to figure 
>> all this out for me, but any thoughts are very welcome. Many thanks in 
>> 

Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

Is still giving the same exact error as before?

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 2:08:32 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> Ok I followed the instructions and I've successfully installed libgconf2-4 
> but unfortunately the problem persists.
>
> Frustrating!
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:37 AM Darth Mole  wrote:
>
>> The instructions seem legit.
>>
>> Try checking out the instructions on this site as well: 
>> https://itsfoss.com/unable-to-locate-package-error-ubuntu/
>>
>> itsfoss.com, imo, is a great website and I've found many of solutions on 
>> there.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 12:19:42 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the advice, but it didn't work. I got this message:
>>>
>>> ~& sudo apt install libconf2-4
>>> [sudo] password for user:
>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>> Building dependency tree
>>> Reading state information... Done
>>> E: Unable to locate package libconf2-4
>>>
>>> This website doesn't look reputable, which is why I'm not just trying 
>>> out what it recommends.
>>> https://zoomadmin.com/HowToInstall/UbuntuPackage/libgconf-2-4
>>>
>>> But the website suggests that to install libconf2-4 I have to write:
>>>
>>> sudo apt-get update -y
>>> sudo apt-get install -y libgconf-2-4 
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm that this would be the way to go?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:36:26 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I preface what I'm about to write with: 
>>>>
>>>> I'm very new to linux as well and probably just know enough to be 
>>>> dangerous. However, given the wording of the error, and that you still get 
>>>> it after following the linked steps, I would personally try the following 
>>>> if I was experiencing the issue.
>>>>
>>>> With everything closed I would run the following command in your 
>>>> terminal:
>>>>
>>>> $sudo apt install libgconf2-4
>>>>
>>>> If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter 
>>>> to continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your machine 
>>>> and then try the ./nw launch again.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. 
>>>>> Although both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch 
>>>>> TiddlyDesktop through ./nw
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new 
>>>>> wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
>>>>> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use 
>>>>> Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through 
>>>>> TiddlyDesktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>>>>>
>>>>> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the 
>>>>> file with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The 
>>>>> only way to close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and 
>>>>> TiddlyDesktop does open:
>>>>> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
>>>>> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] 
>>>>> InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible 
>>>>> here, above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
>>>>> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
>>>>>> (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes 
>>>>>> quite 
>>>>>>

Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

The instructions seem legit.

Try checking out the instructions on this site as 
well: https://itsfoss.com/unable-to-locate-package-error-ubuntu/

itsfoss.com, imo, is a great website and I've found many of solutions on 
there.

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 12:19:42 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> Thanks for the advice, but it didn't work. I got this message:
>
> ~& sudo apt install libconf2-4
> [sudo] password for user:
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package libconf2-4
>
> This website doesn't look reputable, which is why I'm not just trying out 
> what it recommends.
> https://zoomadmin.com/HowToInstall/UbuntuPackage/libgconf-2-4
>
> But the website suggests that to install libconf2-4 I have to write:
>
> sudo apt-get update -y
> sudo apt-get install -y libgconf-2-4 
>
> Can anyone confirm that this would be the way to go?
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:36:26 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I preface what I'm about to write with: 
>>
>> I'm very new to linux as well and probably just know enough to be 
>> dangerous. However, given the wording of the error, and that you still get 
>> it after following the linked steps, I would personally try the following 
>> if I was experiencing the issue.
>>
>> With everything closed I would run the following command in your terminal:
>>
>> $sudo apt install libgconf2-4
>>
>> If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter to 
>> continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your machine and 
>> then try the ./nw launch again.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. 
>>> Although both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch 
>>> TiddlyDesktop through ./nw
>>>
>>> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new 
>>> wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
>>> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use 
>>> Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through 
>>> TiddlyDesktop.
>>>
>>> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
>>> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>>>
>>> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the 
>>> file with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The only 
>>> way to close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>>>
>>> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and 
>>> TiddlyDesktop does open:
>>> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
>>> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() 
>>> called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>>>
>>> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible 
>>> here, above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
>>> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
 https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ

 I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
 (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite 
 some time.


 Birthe

 On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the 
> installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've 
> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>
> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of 
> the Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
> sudo chmod +x nw
>
> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>
> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up 
> on your Linux PC.
> ./nw 
>
> I get this message in the terminal:
>
>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5: 
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello and welcome!
>>
>> 2 things:
>>
>> 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file 
>> from within TiddlyDesktop. 
>> 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the 
>> downloading and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You 
>> can download the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is 
>> easier. Still use the terminal for the other steps though. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> 

[tw5] Keyboard/Mouse Combination to Force Selected Tiddler to Use Zoomin Story View?

[Darth Mole]

Is there anyway to force a Tiddler to load in place of the existing one 
when a link is clicked while also holding down a key on the keyboard?

IE: With stroll if you hold shift while clicking on a link it will open in 
the second column.

The Zoomin Story view does this functionality but gets applied to all the 
tiddlers in the story view. 

Thank you!

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Hello David and thank you for your replies above! I didn't realize I didn't 
reply to this one before so I'm sorry for the delay! The information you 
and the others of this group have provided has been amazing and very much 
appreciated!

One follow-up question about Stroll:

How hard would it be to change the two vertical column layout to a two 
horizontal row layout instead?

So  as an example instead of 

col1 col2 as it is now it would be

row1
row2 

Would it be something you would be willing to do? Even if it comes down to 
reimbursing you for your time in modifying the code in Stroll I would be 
very much open to it.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> There is no right answer, there is only the way that feels right to you 
> and gives you a fast, non-tedious, enjoyable workflow based on how your 
> mind works, which may be different from mine. The more you experiment, the 
> more options you will find.
>
> The "usual" way in TiddlyWiki is tagging a tiddler with its parent topics 
> or categories. So City A might be tagged "Cities" and "Country A". Then you 
> write your definition and description and if you see potential links, you 
> turn them into actual links, or use a tool like Freelinks to have them be 
> links without them being links. Remember that Freelinks are not 
> bi-directional. So if you mention City A in tiddler of Country A, the 
> reference to City A will show as a link. But in the City A tiddler, nothing 
> will change, so there will be no reference to Country A.
>
> I don't tend to write link-rich Wikipedia types of tiddlers, so I can't 
> help you too much there. My current system for notetaking from reading is: 
> Create a tiddler for the book or source. Paste the title into a "currently 
> reading" window. Read. Take a note in the relevant topic. Use an editor 
> toolbar button to paste the currently reading tiddler as the source of the 
> note. Add page number. Read and repeat. Fantastic workflow for that. But 
> you may be doing something else that requires something totally different.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much 
>> feedback! It has been very helpful.
>>
>> If I may ask two follow-up questions:
>>
>> 1)  I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness 
>> regarding the content, at least with this world building concept. At the 
>> same time I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on 
>> other topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking 
>> the hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as 
>> you pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building 
>> *manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where I 
>> utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or 
>> is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of 
>> content?
>>
>> 2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use would 
>> be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the City 
>> tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you created 
>> it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it is just a 
>> preference of how you want to do the link back?
>>
>> Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still 
>> looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't 
>> understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of 
>> "Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to 
>> write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have 
>> it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again 
>> combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the 
>> book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific 
>> tiddler with Freelinks turned on.
>>
>> Not to sound redundant but thank you again!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi iamdar...
>>>
>>> TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
>>> tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
>>> tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
>>> backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to get 
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the 
>>> references are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an 
>>> experiment to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I 
>>> also made b-linking visible.
>>>
>>> I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it 
>>> also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. 
>>>
>>> In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need 

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Hello and thank you very much! I'll take a look and provide any feedback I 
can.

It seems my biggest issue is not having examples that allow me to confirm 
what I'm thinking with what I read. Or at least not having them where I 
think they should be based on where I'm looking inside TiddlyWiki.

IE:

When trying to find the define solution for the toc code above I searched 
the following Tiddlers for a matching example.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#ButtonWidget
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Variables
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Variables%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Definitions%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Calls%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Calls%20in%20WikiText%20(Examples)
https://tiddlywiki.com/#dumpvariables%20Macro
https://tiddlywiki.com/#dumpvariables%20Macro%20(Examples)
https://tiddlywiki.com/#variables%20Operator
https://tiddlywiki.com/#variables%20Operator%20(Examples)

Now, after receiving the help from earlier, when I went back and looked at 
the tiddlers in question I noticed this:

\define dumpvariables()

<$list filter="[variables[]]" variable="varname">

<$text text=<>/>:
<$codeblock code={{{ [getvariable[]] }}}/>



\end

and also 

Several of the examples 
on https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Definitions%20in%20WikiText that also 
nearly match the code provided above in the replies. 

However, for some reason (probably on my side of things) the above example 
and

\define sayhi(name:"Bugs Bunny" address:"Rabbit Hole Hill")
 Hi, I'm $name$ and I live in $address$. 
\end

Didn't seem to be the same to me. In fact, the only reason I was able to 
finally figure out the following was because I knew it should work like the 
code given so it was just a matter of process of elimination. Until a few 
minutes ago, and only because I knew the example worked, as well as the 
code given above for me to consider, was I finally able to see where they 
got "Bugs" from i the output.

\define say-hi-using-variables() 
Hi, I'm $(name)$ and I live in $(address)$. 
\end 

 \define name() Bugs

<$set name="address" value="Rabbit Hole Hill"> 
<>
 

Hi, I'm Bugs and I live in Rabbit Hole Hill.

Long story short, I may just represent an outlier scenario and if that is 
the case I apologize in advance for any easy questions. Of course, I will 
still read over everything and will be sure to ask questions!
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:02:00 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> iamdar,
>
> Here is a link to some documentation that may help you more generally at 
> this phase of your learing, 
> https://anthonymuscio.github.io/#Standard%20Nomenclature
>
> Its an updated version of something published by Tobias in the past. In 
> particular look at the foot notes about values in parameters widget and 
> HTML, it shows why any "concatenation" to make compound values needs to be 
> done, as ewrioc says the best way without making custom macros and 
> wikifying them is to use the filtered transclusions.  With these you use a 
> filter inside triple curly braces to generate the value (no need for an 
> intermediate variable) and filters permit variables, transclusions and 
> field content to be concatinated.
>
> Also, As someone in the learning phase please do feedback if you need 
> something clarified or added to my document as you have the insight to what 
> is needed during the learning process, unfortunately I now know too much. 
> You can help other that pass this way in the future.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 04:37:15 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much Eric! Really thank you so much! I'm a little happy to 
>> see I was kind of heading in the right direction at one point earlier, 
>> except I put the \end of the tocscript define below the  because 
>> I was afraid it wouldn't include itself in the button code and it broke it 
>> lol. Also thank you very much for providing the explanations as well! 
>>
>> The !!storyname was actually left over from the step before this one. I 
>> hadn't considered having a dynamic toc at first. Though now I'll use it in 
>> the tocscript to help identify the page a bit better. Thank you for looking 
>> that closely at the script!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:05:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I can't figure out how to:

>>> 1) Make the toc div text a variable, named tocscript, to call it in the 
 script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.

>>>
>>> Move the toc div text into a macro named "tocscript".  Macros are 
>>> essentially variables that can accept parameters.
>>>
>>> 2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it 
 is added to the new tiddler being created.

>>>
>>> Within a macro, there are two forms of syntax that are automatically 
>>> replaced when the macro 

[tw5] Conversation About Wiki Data Presentation and Recollection

[Darth Mole]

First I apologize if this is a taboo topic. I don't meant for it to be 
flame war between respective camps if it is. I just tend to view/understand 
things differently when it comes to paradigms or techniques. 

I have seen many posts about workflows and data collection but this post is 
about data presentation and recollection. 

I don't know if my constant internal debate is normal for others as well, 
or if I'm trying to bridge too many different concepts that are 
fundamentally different, or something else but it personally drives me 
crazy. 

>From what I can tell there are at least three main methods of presenting 
wiki data:

1. Search feature that you enter keyword(s) into and review the results. 
2. Some kind of table of contents or index that shows all of the content, 
most likely grouped by some type of categorization. 
3. Some kind of splash page that is similar in concept to #2 but acts more 
as a guide with manual links embedded within a naturally written page to 
almost create an interface. 

In truth #3 might be just me creating some sort of perversion of #2 from my 
experience with web design and game/anime wikia sites. 

Also, my concerns about data "recollection" might be an example of me 
trying to bridge wiki-ing and note taking. Perhaps the concept of 
recollection isn't as important in a wiki because you are using it to 
collect specific, related, and organized topics and as such it will display 
accordingly? I guess like the details of a city or character under the 
appropriate section (wiki) vs a random though entered on a random day about 
a commercial you just saw (notes). I know you can use a wiki for note 
taking and a note taking as a way to wiki-ing but are the underlying 
processes easily interchangeable? Or do they cause a conflict?

*tl;dr*: 

How do you present your wiki data to yourself/others? Do you use the search 
feature most of the time? Or do you use an index/table of contents 
approach? Or something else entirely or in between the two?

Thanks!

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Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

I preface what I'm about to write with: 

I'm very new to linux as well and probably just know enough to be 
dangerous. However, given the wording of the error, and that you still get 
it after following the linked steps, I would personally try the following 
if I was experiencing the issue.

With everything closed I would run the following command in your terminal:

$sudo apt install libgconf2-4

If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter to 
continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your machine and 
then try the ./nw launch again.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. Although 
> both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch TiddlyDesktop 
> through ./nw
>
> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new 
> wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use 
> Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through 
> TiddlyDesktop.
>
> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>
> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the file 
> with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The only way to 
> close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>
> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and 
> TiddlyDesktop does open:
> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() 
> called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>
> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible here, 
> above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ
>>
>> I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
>> (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite 
>> some time.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the 
>>> installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've 
>>> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>>>
>>> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of the 
>>> Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
>>> sudo chmod +x nw
>>>
>>> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>>>
>>> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up on 
>>> your Linux PC.
>>> ./nw 
>>>
>>> I get this message in the terminal:
>>>
>>>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5: 
>>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello and welcome!

 2 things:

 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file 
 from within TiddlyDesktop. 
 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the 
 downloading and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You 
 can download the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is 
 easier. Still use the terminal for the other steps though. 

 https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/

 On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've just transitioned to Linux so I'm still a noob at figuring out 
> even the basics. If I understood the installation instructions properly, 
> I 
> am to unzip the file after downloading it, and then run /nw
>
> That didn't work, so tried to get it to launch by using the terminal. 
> I navigated to the TiddlyDesktop file, and then wrote ./nw and that 
> launched the program. Unfortunately the program isn't running as 
> intended. 
> When I ran the command in the terminal this error message appeared on the 
> terminal:
> https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf
>
> Also the program itself isn't working properly. As soon as I click on 
> create new wiki I get this page, which I'm unable to close by clicking on 
> the exit button on the top right corner
> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X
>
> I have to use the system monitor to manually shut down the nw file in 
> order to exit this file.
>
> If anyone can help me with this I'd be very grateful.
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Darth Mole]

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it is related to 
books/reading: 

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/CBYmeN9LsMQ

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I think I've mostly found an approach for tiddlifying notes and ideas I 
> get out of nonfiction (basic approach: add short summary to a tiddler on 
> the book or article, then use backlinks and occasionally forward links to 
> connect ideas related to it), but I'm struggling with figuring out what 
> works for literature, maybe because I just haven't done as much of it yet.
>
> See this recent writeup 
> , for 
> instance, which is an awkward mix of ideas dumped into the book's tiddler 
> and ideas placed in separate tiddlers. I could just write a linear 
> discussion of the story, or a bunch of unrelated “paper”-like discussions, 
> but those approaches feel like I'm not taking advantage of what TiddlyWiki 
> has to offer.
>
> I've just finished *Lolita* and have approximately 23,000 ideas rolling 
> around in my head that I want to put somewhere, so am feeling like this is 
> as good a time as any to start experimenting. Before I do, has anyone else 
> used TiddlyWiki this way who might have some pointers for me so I don't 
> start off in the entirely wrong direction?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much Eric! Really thank you so much! I'm a little happy to see 
I was kind of heading in the right direction at one point earlier, except I 
put the \end of the tocscript define below the  because I was 
afraid it wouldn't include itself in the button code and it broke it lol. 
Also thank you very much for providing the explanations as well! 

The !!storyname was actually left over from the step before this one. I 
hadn't considered having a dynamic toc at first. Though now I'll use it in 
the tocscript to help identify the page a bit better. Thank you for looking 
that closely at the script!



On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:05:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can't figure out how to:
>>
> 1) Make the toc div text a variable, named tocscript, to call it in the 
>> script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.
>>
>
> Move the toc div text into a macro named "tocscript".  Macros are 
> essentially variables that can accept parameters.
>
> 2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it is 
>> added to the new tiddler being created.
>>
>
> Within a macro, there are two forms of syntax that are automatically 
> replaced when the macro is processed:
> * instances of $paramname$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
> passed to the macro as parameters
> * instances of $(varname)$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
> defined in variables before the macro is invoked
>
> Thus, for your purposes:
> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>
> \define tocscript()
> 
> <>
> 
> \end
>
> |  Story Name:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
> |   Story Abbreviation:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> 
> field="storyabbrev"/>  |
>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$button> Create Story
><$vars storyabbrev={{!!storyabbrev}}>
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text=<> 
> tags="Stories" />
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!storyabbrev}addsuffix[ Chapter 001]] 
> }}} tags={{!!storyabbrev}} />
><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
>
> 
> 
>  
> Notes:
> * The $vars widget fetches the !!storyabbrev input value to turn it into a 
> variable named "storyabbrev", so that it can then be automatically replaced 
> in the tocscript macro
> * I don't see anywhere that you actually use the "!!storyname" input value
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much! It worked like a charm! 

I'm also really sorry to ask yet another question but for some reason the 
solution isn't clicking just yet. I've been searching all morning trying to 
find the right combination/solution and while I have made a little progress 
I think I'm mixing too many functions together. The below code is slightly 
modified from the original one above due to having a different but related 
purpose.

 \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$

|  Story Name:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
|   Story Abbreviation:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyabbrev"/>  
|

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button> Create Story
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text={{!!tocscript}} 
tags=Stories 
/>
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!storyabbrev}addsuffix[ Chapter 001]] 
}}} tags={{!!storyabbrev}} />
   <$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />





<>



I can't figure out how to:

1) Make the toc div text a variable, named toscript, to call it in the 
script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.
2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it is 
added to the new tiddler being created.

Every time I try to use /define or $set I either break the existing code or 
<> {{!!tocscript}} $tocscript$ (can't figure out which one, if 
any, to use) doesn't "activate"

I was also thinking of trying to use an existing tiddler to act as the 
template for the toc div text but I ran into issues with that as well.

Thanks again and once again my apologies if these are simple questions.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:37:26 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:49:07 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If I wanted to add/append some static text to the end of the target field 
>> value, how would I do so?
>>
>
> Using filtered transclusion:
> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!target}addsuffix[ Chapter 01]] }}} etc.
>
> if you want, you could add the suffix to the input table:
> | Target suffix:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="suffix"/>   |
>
> and then you would use:
> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!target}addsuffix{!!suffix}] }}} etc.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Hello and thank you very much for providing another solution! I very much 
appreciate the answers and also the information provided!

As a quick follow-up question:

For both methods: 

<$action-setfield $tiddler=<>
<$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}}

If I wanted to add/append some static text to the end of the target field 
value, how would I do so? I have tried various ways, using + or enclosing 
the variable and text in " or brackets but can't seem to find the 
combination.

For an idea:

Target = HTVW

<$action-setfield $tiddler=[<> Chapter 01] would produce a 
Tiddler with the title of HTVW Chapter 01
<$action-setfield $tiddler={{{!!target}}+ Chapter 01} would produce a 
Tiddler with the title of HTVW Chapter 01

Thank you again for your help and any additional information/solutions you 
can provide!


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:09:25 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:21:19 PM UTC-7 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There are often many different ways of doing things, and I just went 
>> ahead with the fastest solution I could think of...
>>
>
> Here's a much more compact way to write the same functionality:
> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>
> |  Label:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="label"/>|
> |   From Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="fromtag"/>  |
> | Target:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="target"/>   |
> | Target Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="targettag"/>|
>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$button> <$view field="label">join tiddlers 
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
> [tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
> 
> 
>
> Notes:
> 1) the inputs are stored in a $:/temp tiddler, so it doesn't clutter up 
> the visible list of tiddlers
> 2) the temp tiddler's title is assembled using a simple \define, rather 
> than using $vars with filtered transclusion syntax
> 3) the input form uses simple wikitext table syntax instead of HTML syntax 
> to produce more readable code
> 4) the $edit-text widgets target <> rather than the more verbose, 
> but equivalent, {{{ [] }}}
> 5) the $button is enclosed in a $tiddler widget so that references to the 
> input field values can use {{!!fieldname}}
> 6) the $button uses <$view>... to provide a default label if none 
> is input
> 7) instead of using $wikify, the output text is constructed using filtered 
> transclusion syntax to join the source tiddler content into a single string
> 8) the $:/temp tiddler is deleted after processing the $button press to 
> clear all the form inputs for re-use
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Removing Collapsible Arrow/Funcion from toc-tabbed-internal-nav

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

I'm currently in a love hate relationship with the 
new toc-tabbed-internal-nav macro for my current project. 

I'm not even sure if what I want to do is possible:

Is there anyway to remove the > that appears next to the headers? 

I only want the first level to show on the left of the two column window 
that is generated by using the above macro. 

Thank you!

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[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

You are awesome! Thank you very much! It works just great! Thank you, thank 
you, thank you, thank you!

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:39:55 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can't really properly test this, but maybe this does the trick?
>
> <$vars dataTiddler={{{ [addsuffix[ Data]] }}}>
>
> 
> Whatever description needs to be put here:
>
> 
> Label:
>  <$edit-text tiddler={{{ [] }}} field="my_label"/> 
> 
> Tag:
>  <$edit-text tiddler={{{ [] }}} field="my_tag"/> 
> 
> Target:
>  <$edit-text tiddler={{{ [] }}} field="my_target"/> 
> 
> Targetting:
>  <$edit-text tiddler={{{ [] }}} field="my_targetting"/> 
> 
> 
>
> <$vars myLabel={{{ [get[my_label]] }}}
>   myTag={{{ [get[my_tag]] }}}
>   myTarget={{{ [get[my_target]] }}}
>   myTargetting={{{ [get[my_targetting]] }}}>
> <$button> Create <>
><$wikify name="out" text="""<$list filter="[tag]"><$text 
> text={{!!text}}/>""">
>   <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> text=<> 
> tags=<> />
>
> 
> 
>
>   
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:42:53 PM UTC-3 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I hope I didn't miss a clear answer for this but is there anyway to 
>> prompt the user for a variable, with an input field, after a button press?
>>
>> I found the below code to combine multiple tiddlers into one based on a 
>> shared tag, and then modified it to add a tag.
>>
>> \define join(label,tag,target,targettag)
>> <$button> $label$
>><$wikify name="out" text="""<$list filter="[tag[$tag$]]"><$text 
>> text={{!!text}}/>""">
>>   <$action-setfield $tiddler="$target$" text=<> 
>> tags=<> />
>>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> As of now the variables for the button are set by the <> which has to be manually set.
>>
>> My question/hope is if there is a way to prompt the user to input the 
>> variables, one at a time, via an input box/field/prompt, that would allow 
>> them to set the variables each time the button is pressed.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Nope, not opposed to it. Just trying to simplify/automate the process of 
combining individual tiddlers instead of manually editing the Tiddler each 
time.

The flow isn't set in stone!

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Instead of press buttons, then prompt user for variable values via fields, 
> would you be open to a flow change, i.e.:
>
>
>1. Prompt user for values via fields
>2. Press button?
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:42:53 PM UTC-3 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I hope I didn't miss a clear answer for this but is there anyway to 
>> prompt the user for a variable, with an input field, after a button press?
>>
>> I found the below code to combine multiple tiddlers into one based on a 
>> shared tag, and then modified it to add a tag.
>>
>> \define join(label,tag,target,targettag)
>> <$button> $label$
>><$wikify name="out" text="""<$list filter="[tag[$tag$]]"><$text 
>> text={{!!text}}/>""">
>>   <$action-setfield $tiddler="$target$" text=<> 
>> tags=<> />
>>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> As of now the variables for the button are set by the <> which has to be manually set.
>>
>> My question/hope is if there is a way to prompt the user to input the 
>> variables, one at a time, via an input box/field/prompt, that would allow 
>> them to set the variables each time the button is pressed.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>

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[tw5] Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

I hope I didn't miss a clear answer for this but is there anyway to prompt 
the user for a variable, with an input field, after a button press?

I found the below code to combine multiple tiddlers into one based on a 
shared tag, and then modified it to add a tag.

\define join(label,tag,target,targettag)
<$button> $label$
   <$wikify name="out" text="""<$list filter="[tag[$tag$]]"><$text 
text={{!!text}}/>""">
  <$action-setfield $tiddler="$target$" text=<> tags=<> 
/>
   

\end

<>

As of now the variables for the button are set by the 

[tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

Hello and welcome!

2 things:

1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file from 
within TiddlyDesktop. 
2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the downloading 
and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You can download 
the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is easier. Still use 
the terminal for the other steps though. 

https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've just transitioned to Linux so I'm still a noob at figuring out even 
> the basics. If I understood the installation instructions properly, I am to 
> unzip the file after downloading it, and then run /nw
>
> That didn't work, so tried to get it to launch by using the terminal. I 
> navigated to the TiddlyDesktop file, and then wrote ./nw and that launched 
> the program. Unfortunately the program isn't running as intended. When I 
> ran the command in the terminal this error message appeared on the terminal:
> https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf
>
> Also the program itself isn't working properly. As soon as I click on 
> create new wiki I get this page, which I'm unable to close by clicking on 
> the exit button on the top right corner
> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X
>
> I have to use the system monitor to manually shut down the nw file in 
> order to exit this file.
>
> If anyone can help me with this I'd be very grateful.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much 
feedback! It has been very helpful.

If I may ask two follow-up questions:

1)  I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness regarding 
the content, at least with this world building concept. At the same time 
I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on other 
topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking the 
hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as you 
pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building 
*manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where I 
utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or 
is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of 
content?

2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use would 
be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the City 
tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you created 
it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it is just a 
preference of how you want to do the link back?

Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still 
looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't 
understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of 
"Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to 
write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have 
it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again 
combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the 
book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific 
tiddler with Freelinks turned on.

Not to sound redundant but thank you again!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi iamdar...
>
> TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
> tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
> tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
> backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to get 
> to it.
>
> Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the references 
> are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an experiment 
> to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I also made 
> b-linking visible.
>
> I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it 
> also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. 
>
> In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need backlinking, since 
> each tiddler refers to the other (Country A and City A, for example). But 
> as you hint at, there are plenty of topics where you might not want to go 
> through all the effort of writing out each description fully and with ample 
> backlinks, as you have done. Life is short, and hopefully you are not 
> trying to compete with Wikipedia for completeness. 
>
> I tend to create what I call index tiddlers when I want to create a table 
> of contents on a given topic (say, Index: Country A). I keep that separate 
> from Country A, where I keep the definition and description. But I usually 
> find a way to hide index tiddlers when viewing in context or as 
> transclusion, because index tiddlers tend to be longer.
>
> If you haven't seen Drift, you might also want to see the way it handles 
> references. https://akhater.github.io/drift/ It was inspired by Stroll, 
> but avoids the extra column, and adds tagging and freelinks to the 
> references, which is more thorough.
>
> I don't think the focus on backlinking in Stroll is pulling TiddlyWiki 
> away from its roots. In part it is just making more explicit the backlink 
> feature that already existed in TW. And in part, because ultimately TW is 
> about customization and mixing and matching to create the workflow you 
> need. And that would be my main advice to you as you build the world 
> builder: don't rush to make it public. Play with it for awhile, use it 
> yourself, and tweak it in order to eliminate defects and make it work for 
> your workflow. That way when you do feel comfortable with the 'final' 
> product, you will be able to describe not only the features but a suggested 
> workflow. You need to be able to articulate what WorldBuilder does best, 
> and for what real world use cases.
>
> Not offended, I understood what you meant, and I hope the above helps.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, and 
>> contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only reference 
>> it as Stroll going forward :)
>>
>> If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I 
>> apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I understand 
>> the 

[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

It would seem that I was somehow confusing myself earlier as when I reread 
Mat's instructions, after your reply TW, it seemed to click and I was able 
to get it working minus the "Draft of"  I just have three additional 
questions:

1) Why am I tagging the Tiddler that has the code with /tags/EditTemplate 
and not core/ui/EditTemplate as the others are listed when I'm reordering 
the tags?
2) I originally tried pasting Mat's code into the custom edit area of 
Stroll, which also uses the /tags/EditTemplate tag but the define line 
wouldn't activate. Given that both tiddlers follow the same instructions is 
there a reason why one worked and one didn't? The only difference was the 
existence of two other tags and some instructions already in the body of 
the tiddler.
3) Is there a specific place on the TiddlyWiki website where the above 
information is described? When I was attempting to troubleshoot the \define 
line not working I was having a heck of a time trying to follow what was 
written so I'm curious if I was looking in the wrong place.

Thank you!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:37:15 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Mats Suggestion is simple. 
>
> Create a tiddler and insert his code
> Add the tag  $:/tags/EditTemplate" or "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" to place it 
> on the edit and/or view template
>
> This is your introduction to making solutions that apply across all 
> tiddlers. TiddlyWiki has a rich set of features to do what you are asking, 
> this is the main method.
>
> Tones
> On Friday, 4 June 2021 at 07:50:38 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yea, unfortunately I think this is beyond me at the moment. Thanks for 
>> the information though!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> *Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while 
 editing a tiddler?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hm, in edit mode? OK, you could try to put it in a tiddler that you tag 
>>> "$:/tags/EditTemplate" (and click that very tag to reorder where it is 
>>> positionend). You might have to edit the current tiddler or it will 
>>> probably be the Draft ending up as the tag. I'm about to go out so can't 
>>> check exactly which filter operator that is to get the "non Draft" but it's 
>>> there... 
>>>
>>> <:-) 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

Yea, unfortunately I think this is beyond me at the moment. Thanks for the 
information though!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> *Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while 
>> editing a tiddler?
>
>
> Hm, in edit mode? OK, you could try to put it in a tiddler that you tag 
> "$:/tags/EditTemplate" (and click that very tag to reorder where it is 
> positionend). You might have to edit the current tiddler or it will 
> probably be the Draft ending up as the tag. I'm about to go out so can't 
> check exactly which filter operator that is to get the "non Draft" but it's 
> there... 
>
> <:-) 
>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

*Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while editing 
a tiddler?

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Seems to work:
>
> \define t() [[$(currentTiddler)$]] OhterTAG
>
> <$button>
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="MyBase" tags=<> />
> x
> 
>
>
> <:-)
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:53:39 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've been trying to do something that seems like it should be simple but 
>> maybe isn't.
>>
>> I'm in a tiddler called "Three Word Title."
>>
>> I wish to add a tiddler tagged with its name and one other tag, in 
>> response to hitting a button.
>>
>> I would think I'd use something like:
>>
>> <$action-createtiddler $base="MyBase" tags={{{ [] 
>> [[OtherTag]] +[join[ ]] }} />
>>
>> But of course that won't work, it will give it the tags "Three" "Word" 
>> "Title" and "OtherTag."
>>
>> Is there a bulletproof way to turn a list of tiddlers (returned by a 
>> filter) into a list with proper [[]] so it's suitable for use in a tags 
>> field?
>>
>> I could do this by creating the tiddler first, then saving the title, 
>> then sending a tm-add-tag message, but at that point I need a 
>> FieldManglerWidget and it just seems like this ought to be easier.
>>
>> I thought that maybe enlist or enlist-input should do the job but they 
>> don't seem to.
>>
>> I guess another way of summing up my problem would be that I want this:
>>
>> <$vars barBaz="bar baz">
>> "<$text text={{{ [[foo]] [] +[what operator do I want here?[]]  
>> }}}/>"
>> 
>>
>> to somehow produce 
>>
>> "[[foo]] [[bar baz]]"
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

I know this doesn't get you exactly what you are looking for but I thought 
it may help. There is a toolbar option "new here" (shown below) that can be 
turned on that creates a new tiddler with the name of the current tiddler 
as a tag. However, as you point out with the tm-add-tag situation the 
option "new here" option doesn't show when editing, only when viewing the 
tiddler/post save.

[image: Screenshot from 2021-06-03 12-53-27.png]

Sorry if the above setting is the exact same thing as the tm-add-tag 
scenario you mentioned.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-4 Ed Heil wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been trying to do something that seems like it should be simple but 
> maybe isn't.
>
> I'm in a tiddler called "Three Word Title."
>
> I wish to add a tiddler tagged with its name and one other tag, in 
> response to hitting a button.
>
> I would think I'd use something like:
>
> <$action-createtiddler $base="MyBase" tags={{{ [] 
> [[OtherTag]] +[join[ ]] }} />
>
> But of course that won't work, it will give it the tags "Three" "Word" 
> "Title" and "OtherTag."
>
> Is there a bulletproof way to turn a list of tiddlers (returned by a 
> filter) into a list with proper [[]] so it's suitable for use in a tags 
> field?
>
> I could do this by creating the tiddler first, then saving the title, then 
> sending a tm-add-tag message, but at that point I need a FieldManglerWidget 
> and it just seems like this ought to be easier.
>
> I thought that maybe enlist or enlist-input should do the job but they 
> don't seem to.
>
> I guess another way of summing up my problem would be that I want this:
>
> <$vars barBaz="bar baz">
> "<$text text={{{ [[foo]] [] +[what operator do I want here?[]]  
> }}}/>"
> 
>
> to somehow produce 
>
> "[[foo]] [[bar baz]]"
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Hello *Mohamed*,

>From my understanding the purpose is similar, but the function is very much 
different. 

Stroll offers bi-directional linking between tiddlers, auto-complete link 
creation within tiddlers, auto-renaming of links when a tiddler title 
changes, and a two column view for side by side viewing.

TiddlyMaps also offers bi-directional linking but the connections are 
displayed in the map tab vs inside the tiddlers themselves. While you can 
show connections between tiddlers based on tags or titles in the maps you 
can also create connections that are only displayed/acknowledge by the map 
plugin. 

Hope this helps and that I'm not too far off the mark.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-4 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> how is this differnet from tiddly maps ?
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:42:27 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
>> work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
>> something that I got confused about in the beginning.
>>
>> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) 
>> and TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
>> understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
>> predecessor to TiddlyStroll.
>>
>> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
>> TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
>> column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
>> active).
>>
>> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
>> been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
>> together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
>> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
>> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
>> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, and 
contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only reference 
it as Stroll going forward :)

If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I 
apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I understand 
the functionality, but from a practice standpoint, is the idea just to 
provide a quick reference/link for convenience (as mentioned Linking in 
Stroll, part 2 from your site which I just now read a second time and 
perhaps did so correctly this time lol)? Or is it also way to create a 
"summary" or "list" of related content? I guess my confusion/over thinking 
is coming from the idea that if you are writing a wiki entry and link to a 
related entry then somewhere in that entry there would end up a link back 
to the original entry. Now I'm saying wiki entry but in this case I mean 
Tiddler.

IE:

Country A
Country A is a vast land composed of [[City A]], [[City B]], and [[City 
C]]. Etc. Etc.

City A
City A is the capital of [[Country A]] and is due north of [[City B]], and 
[[City C]]. Etc. Etc.

City B
City B, is the second largest city of [[Country A]] and can be found south 
of [[City A]] and west of [[City C]].

City C
City C, is the smallest all of [[Country A]]'s cities and can be found 
south of [[City A]] and east of [[City B]].

In order for the bi-directional links of Stroll to work I would need to do 
the above, or at least have a reference like section where I list out the 
associated Tiddler links at least once. But haven't I already created a 
bi-directional link when I linked to/created City A from Country A and then 
referenced Country A in City A?

I could see not having any content in Country A, simply a tiddler with the 
title Country A and then having the related contents of City A, B, and C 
link to [[Country A]] with *Highlights in context* turned on in the Stroll 
settings. But then how do you determine which Tiddler level to use the 
"summary"?

There is also the idea that I'm butchering the tiddler method here and am 
over complicating things by treating TiddlyWiki as something it isn't by 
default and that Stroll turns it into. I hope I haven't been offensive in 
my questions/explanation. Just trying to understand everything better for 
TiddlyWiki use in general, and my own World Builder project.

Thank you in advance for your time!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:54:17 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Yes, TiddlyBlink (blink = bidirectional link) was my first attempt to 
> imitate Roam in TiddlyWiki. Stroll (not 'TiddlyStroll') was my later 
> experiment that improved on it, with mucho help coming from Saq Imtiaz. 
> TiddlyRoam is just someone else's combination of TiddlyBlink + TiddlyMap.
>
> Grab or adapt anything you like from TiddlyBlink or Stroll that you find 
> helpful.
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
>> work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
>> something that I got confused about in the beginning.
>>
>> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) 
>> and TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
>> understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
>> predecessor to TiddlyStroll.
>>
>> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
>> TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
>> column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
>> active).
>>
>> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
>> been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
>> together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
>> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
>> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
>> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat
>>
>

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[tw5] TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
something that I got confused about in the beginning.

It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) and 
TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
predecessor to TiddlyStroll.

So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
active).

Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.

Thanks!

Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat

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[tw5] Re: (Updated-Working?): TiddlyWorldBuilder

[Darth Mole]

Switching the theme, even if you go back to the original one, kills the 
functionality and creates the same issue as before. I did this all with 
Vanilla Basic Theme turned on. When I switched to Snow White it broke the 
fields again and then when I switched back it still wasn't working. I had 
to re-download the file from here since TiddlyDesktop saved it 
automatically.

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:36:07 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Ok... so I'm not sure what is going on but I think I got it all working... 
> At least regarding the issue with editing some of the fields and 
> saving/deleting/editing Tiddlers, and also having the most recent versions 
> of all the plugins (I think). I still need to go back and change up the 
> Tabs and also add the Templates but below are the details of so far.
>
>
>- Started with the most recent TiddlyWiki file.
>   - All was fine of course.
>- Imported Repopup and Volant plugins.
>   - Started having the edit issues regarding the field type fields 
>   and saving/deleting new Tiddlers.
>- Updated the core/ui/EditTemplate and core/ui/ViewTemplate files that 
>were included in the Volant plugin with the new code from the current 
>TiddlyWiki. I also included the Volant wrapper where I thought it went in 
>the new code.
>   - Same issue regarding editing/saving/deleting.
>- Installed the Mentat plugin.
>   - Produced an error when trying to turn on the Mentat Story 
>   Visualization option. Still had the previous edit/delete/save and field 
>   issues.
>- Installed the Engine plugin (but turned off the presentation option 
>(red button that appears in the lower left), manually created the 
>$windowTiddler$ template, opened it in regular story view, then turned on 
>Mentat Story Visualization.
>- No longer produced an error when turning on the Mentat Story 
>   Visualization option and could add Tiddlers to the floating windows, 
>   however, I still had the editing/saving/deleting and field issues as 
>   before. I could only get them working when I right clicked.
>- Messed with the EditTemplate and ViewTemplates again.
>   - Didn't get any results
>- Went back to how Templates were before messing around.
>- Installed the 4 plug-ins from http://tiddlymap.org/ and did the 
>initial setup.
>   - Same behavior as before, nothing additional broke.
>- Installed the giffmex/blinks and giffmex/bigeditarea from 
>https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>   - Noticed that the editing/saving/deleting and field type issues 
>   suddenly disappeared and it was acting like normal. Nothing else was 
> broken.
>- Installed links-to-tabs plugin from 
>https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/
>   - Everything still working the same, now including the 
>   links-to-tabs function
>- Disabled Engine plugin.
>   - Original error produced before first installing Engine still 
>   doesn't appear even after the plugin is disabled.
>
> I have opened and closed the file several times, refreshed it, and have 
> tried it locally in a browser and then in TiddlyDesktop and so far the 
> functionality is remaining the same and seems to be working. From my 
> perspective whatever changes were made when I imported the Stroll files is 
> what fixed it. Unless there was some weird caching issue from when I 
> changed the templates. I really have no clue. Attaching the file for review.
>
> Current/Remaining Caveats
>
>
>
>- Need to have a Story Window (from Mentat) open before creating a new 
>Tiddler or else it will throw an error.
>
>
>- TiddlyMaps still won't work in mobile, though I haven't had time to 
>mess with the options/Tiddler solutions that arunn linked to above.
>- For some reason the Story Window counter went up to 7 before it 
>started resetting itself when they were closed. As such it goes from 
> Window 
>1 to 7, and then goes up by 1. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 12:32:06 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>
>> I know when I compared the two EditTemplate files between the current 
>> TiddlyWiki and the one they used in the Mentat demo they were vastly 
>> different. The new one has a bunch of new code. What I don't know is if the 
>> one in the Mentar demo is just heavily modified or if that is how it used 
>> to be. Either way though I don't understand why the volant wrapper is 
>> placed where it is in the demo so that was throwing me off. 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 4:46:49 AM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I also realised the problem with volant as I tried to use 
>>> h

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder

[Darth Mole]

I know when I compared the two EditTemplate files between the current 
TiddlyWiki and the one they used in the Mentat demo they were vastly 
different. The new one has a bunch of new code. What I don't know is if the 
one in the Mentar demo is just heavily modified or if that is how it used 
to be. Either way though I don't understand why the volant wrapper is 
placed where it is in the demo so that was throwing me off. 


On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 4:46:49 AM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> I also realised the problem with volant as I tried to use 
> http://j.d.volantis.tiddlyspot.com/, Looking at the plugin I see 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate 
> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate. I think the problem could be changes to 
> those templates in the core in later releases of TW?
>
>
> Birthe
>
> fredag den 28. maj 2021 kl. 05.27.24 UTC+2 skrev iamdar...@gmail.com:
>
>> Unfortunately it looks like Volant (at least) doesn't play well with the 
>> most up-to-date TiddlyWiki. For whatever reason that plugin breaks the 
>> edit/new tiddler so that bottom fields can't be utilized and you can't 
>> dismiss, delete or save the Tiddler.
>>
>> I'm still new to the inner workings of TiddlyWiki, though I'm familiar 
>> with HTML and CSS so perhaps I can find a way to fix the plugin. 
>>
>> Unfortunately that means we have hit a small dead end for the time being. 
>> I'll still keep updates coming though.
>>
>> Thanks again everyone!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 11:11:30 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you very much! Appreciate it!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:52:06 PM UTC-4 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/ma4d69/tiddlymap_in_storyriver_instead_of_the_sidebar/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you open the tiddlymap in story river as told in this Reddit thread, 
>>>> it might work in mobile also 
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:06 AM Darth Mole  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much! I didn't realize there were two different 
>>>>> "projects" for Stroll. I'll have to go back and piece together 
>>>>> TiddlyWorldBuilder with the updated files soon. Thanks again!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:37:54 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a heads up that the file at  
>>>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/stories.html is horribly out of 
>>>>>> date and not the official link for Stroll.  Instead I believe you want: 
>>>>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder

[Darth Mole]

Unfortunately it looks like Volant (at least) doesn't play well with the 
most up-to-date TiddlyWiki. For whatever reason that plugin breaks the 
edit/new tiddler so that bottom fields can't be utilized and you can't 
dismiss, delete or save the Tiddler.

I'm still new to the inner workings of TiddlyWiki, though I'm familiar with 
HTML and CSS so perhaps I can find a way to fix the plugin. 

Unfortunately that means we have hit a small dead end for the time being. 
I'll still keep updates coming though.

Thanks again everyone!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 11:11:30 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Thank you very much! Appreciate it!
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:52:06 PM UTC-4 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/ma4d69/tiddlymap_in_storyriver_instead_of_the_sidebar/
>>
>>
>> If you open the tiddlymap in story river as told in this Reddit thread, 
>> it might work in mobile also 
>>
>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:06 AM Darth Mole  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you very much! I didn't realize there were two different 
>>> "projects" for Stroll. I'll have to go back and piece together 
>>> TiddlyWorldBuilder with the updated files soon. Thanks again!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:37:54 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a heads up that the file at  
>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/stories.html is horribly out of date 
>>>> and not the official link for Stroll.  Instead I believe you want: 
>>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much! Appreciate it!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:52:06 PM UTC-4 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/ma4d69/tiddlymap_in_storyriver_instead_of_the_sidebar/
>
>
> If you open the tiddlymap in story river as told in this Reddit thread, it 
> might work in mobile also 
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:06 AM Darth Mole  wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much! I didn't realize there were two different "projects" 
>> for Stroll. I'll have to go back and piece together TiddlyWorldBuilder with 
>> the updated files soon. Thanks again!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:37:54 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just a heads up that the file at  
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/stories.html is horribly out of date 
>>> and not the official link for Stroll.  Instead I believe you want: 
>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Popout Tiddlers/View?

[Darth Mole]

Awesome! I ended up turning off the Engine plug-in regarding Mentat and 
that fixed a lot of the issues. Also, I posted what I've put together so 
far here: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kCSxf7DaXYw

There are some replies regarding a more up-to-date Stroll. 

I haven't joined the Discord server but definitely will. I know there are 
apps out there that are for self-hosted world building, I just didn't like 
the idea they were proprietary and I would be screwed if development on the 
applications ever stopped.

I also like cloud solutions for certain projects and world building/writing 
is one of them lol.

Thanks again!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:48:28 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Ste. Yes, definitely want the Mentat plugin for that view. I 
> also am using TW to build a Worldbuilding Application (GMGuild), and 
> updating Mentat is one of the primary UI priorities. I would recommend 
> using the older versions of TW to use Mentat. I am still working on the 
> back-end collaberative stuff, but it is awesome to see more 
> Worldbuilding/Campaign-Management interest in the TW community recently.
>
> Have you joined the TW Discord server? We have a channel dedicated to 
> tw-for-gaming stuff.
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:50:00 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You are still epic, however, it looks like something breaks in newer 
>> TiddlyWiki versions. At least that is how it looks to me regarding trying 
>> to delete drafts and saving edits to existing Tiddlers. Not sure what is 
>> the major difference between the two TiddlyWiki versions so that has me a 
>> little worried, however, things seems to be ok otherwise.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:22:17 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>>
>>> YOU ARE EPIC! To you I offer AWESOMESAUCE for the rest of your life! 
>>> ZOMG!
>>>
>>> -cough- ahem, excuse me.
>>>
>>> Oh who am I kidding?! YOU ROCK!!!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:32:46 PM UTC-4 Ste wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 23:22:35 UTC+1 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's me again. I wanted to thank those that helped on my previous post 
>>>>> regarding conditional templates! I have what I think is another strange 
>>>>> question, though I'm not sure if it is unique. I came across some vaguely 
>>>>> similar concepts but didn't hit anything true.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like to preface this post with: I may be making things 
>>>>> harder on myself. I have been trying to create a world building 
>>>>> application 
>>>>> that is considered not only open source but can be opened no matter what 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> the future since TiddlyWiki is simply an HTML file. Unless browsers go 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> way of the dodo TiddlyWikis will always be viewable and even if they do 
>>>>> you 
>>>>> can look at the code to at least see the content. Anyway, back to my 
>>>>> question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whenever I start working in TiddlyWiki my mind begins to branch out 
>>>>> from a particular Tiddler and kind creates a "view" that I'm 
>>>>> unfortunately 
>>>>> unable to follow in TiddlyWiki's default format. Even with using 
>>>>> TiddlyStroll (I also added TiddlyMap to the TiddlyStroll template) I 
>>>>> still 
>>>>> can't seem to feel comfortable with things.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I try to conceptualize the situation two "views" appear in my 
>>>>> head.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The Tiddlers, when loaded, become floating popouts that can be 
>>>>> moved around the computer screen just like regular app windows. That way 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> new Tiddlers are opened based on the users train of thought they just 
>>>>> layer 
>>>>> on the screen. I guess kind of like if you had 15 Word documents open in 
>>>>> 15 
>>>>> Word app instances so you could see the title and bits and pieces of each 
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) The Tiddlers, when loaded, start to fill in the page similar to a 
>>>>> tiling windows manager in Linux. Even if the boxes get progressively 
>>>>> smaller as they resize during tiling or if once they hit a certain number 
>>>>> of boxes the whole view simply shrinks percentage wise I guess it doesn't 
>>>>> matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, any thoughts or solutions? Thanks again for all your help! 
>>>>> Once I feel comfortable with the solution I've put together I'm going to 
>>>>> post for anyone to use as a world building option, and also use it myself 
>>>>> for my writing. 
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much! I didn't realize there were two different "projects" 
for Stroll. I'll have to go back and piece together TiddlyWorldBuilder with 
the updated files soon. Thanks again!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:37:54 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just a heads up that the file at  
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/stories.html is horribly out of date 
> and not the official link for Stroll.  Instead I believe you want: 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Popout Tiddlers/View?

[Darth Mole]

You are still epic, however, it looks like something breaks in newer 
TiddlyWiki versions. At least that is how it looks to me regarding trying 
to delete drafts and saving edits to existing Tiddlers. Not sure what is 
the major difference between the two TiddlyWiki versions so that has me a 
little worried, however, things seems to be ok otherwise.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:22:17 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> YOU ARE EPIC! To you I offer AWESOMESAUCE for the rest of your life! ZOMG!
>
> -cough- ahem, excuse me.
>
> Oh who am I kidding?! YOU ROCK!!!
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:32:46 PM UTC-4 Ste wrote:
>
>> How about https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 23:22:35 UTC+1 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> It's me again. I wanted to thank those that helped on my previous post 
>>> regarding conditional templates! I have what I think is another strange 
>>> question, though I'm not sure if it is unique. I came across some vaguely 
>>> similar concepts but didn't hit anything true.
>>>
>>> I would also like to preface this post with: I may be making things 
>>> harder on myself. I have been trying to create a world building application 
>>> that is considered not only open source but can be opened no matter what in 
>>> the future since TiddlyWiki is simply an HTML file. Unless browsers go the 
>>> way of the dodo TiddlyWikis will always be viewable and even if they do you 
>>> can look at the code to at least see the content. Anyway, back to my 
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Whenever I start working in TiddlyWiki my mind begins to branch out from 
>>> a particular Tiddler and kind creates a "view" that I'm unfortunately 
>>> unable to follow in TiddlyWiki's default format. Even with using 
>>> TiddlyStroll (I also added TiddlyMap to the TiddlyStroll template) I still 
>>> can't seem to feel comfortable with things.
>>>
>>> When I try to conceptualize the situation two "views" appear in my head.
>>>
>>> 1) The Tiddlers, when loaded, become floating popouts that can be moved 
>>> around the computer screen just like regular app windows. That way as new 
>>> Tiddlers are opened based on the users train of thought they just layer on 
>>> the screen. I guess kind of like if you had 15 Word documents open in 15 
>>> Word app instances so you could see the title and bits and pieces of each 
>>> one.
>>>
>>> 2) The Tiddlers, when loaded, start to fill in the page similar to a 
>>> tiling windows manager in Linux. Even if the boxes get progressively 
>>> smaller as they resize during tiling or if once they hit a certain number 
>>> of boxes the whole view simply shrinks percentage wise I guess it doesn't 
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> Anyway, any thoughts or solutions? Thanks again for all your help! Once 
>>> I feel comfortable with the solution I've put together I'm going to post 
>>> for anyone to use as a world building option, and also use it myself for my 
>>> writing. 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Popout Tiddlers/View?

[Darth Mole]

YOU ARE EPIC! To you I offer AWESOMESAUCE for the rest of your life! ZOMG!

-cough- ahem, excuse me.

Oh who am I kidding?! YOU ROCK!!!

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:32:46 PM UTC-4 Ste wrote:

> How about https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/
>
>
> On Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 23:22:35 UTC+1 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It's me again. I wanted to thank those that helped on my previous post 
>> regarding conditional templates! I have what I think is another strange 
>> question, though I'm not sure if it is unique. I came across some vaguely 
>> similar concepts but didn't hit anything true.
>>
>> I would also like to preface this post with: I may be making things 
>> harder on myself. I have been trying to create a world building application 
>> that is considered not only open source but can be opened no matter what in 
>> the future since TiddlyWiki is simply an HTML file. Unless browsers go the 
>> way of the dodo TiddlyWikis will always be viewable and even if they do you 
>> can look at the code to at least see the content. Anyway, back to my 
>> question.
>>
>> Whenever I start working in TiddlyWiki my mind begins to branch out from 
>> a particular Tiddler and kind creates a "view" that I'm unfortunately 
>> unable to follow in TiddlyWiki's default format. Even with using 
>> TiddlyStroll (I also added TiddlyMap to the TiddlyStroll template) I still 
>> can't seem to feel comfortable with things.
>>
>> When I try to conceptualize the situation two "views" appear in my head.
>>
>> 1) The Tiddlers, when loaded, become floating popouts that can be moved 
>> around the computer screen just like regular app windows. That way as new 
>> Tiddlers are opened based on the users train of thought they just layer on 
>> the screen. I guess kind of like if you had 15 Word documents open in 15 
>> Word app instances so you could see the title and bits and pieces of each 
>> one.
>>
>> 2) The Tiddlers, when loaded, start to fill in the page similar to a 
>> tiling windows manager in Linux. Even if the boxes get progressively 
>> smaller as they resize during tiling or if once they hit a certain number 
>> of boxes the whole view simply shrinks percentage wise I guess it doesn't 
>> matter.
>>
>> Anyway, any thoughts or solutions? Thanks again for all your help! Once I 
>> feel comfortable with the solution I've put together I'm going to post for 
>> anyone to use as a world building option, and also use it myself for my 
>> writing. 
>>
>

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[tw5] Popout Tiddlers/View?

[Darth Mole]

Hello all,

It's me again. I wanted to thank those that helped on my previous post 
regarding conditional templates! I have what I think is another strange 
question, though I'm not sure if it is unique. I came across some vaguely 
similar concepts but didn't hit anything true.

I would also like to preface this post with: I may be making things harder 
on myself. I have been trying to create a world building application that 
is considered not only open source but can be opened no matter what in the 
future since TiddlyWiki is simply an HTML file. Unless browsers go the way 
of the dodo TiddlyWikis will always be viewable and even if they do you can 
look at the code to at least see the content. Anyway, back to my question.

Whenever I start working in TiddlyWiki my mind begins to branch out from a 
particular Tiddler and kind creates a "view" that I'm unfortunately unable 
to follow in TiddlyWiki's default format. Even with using TiddlyStroll (I 
also added TiddlyMap to the TiddlyStroll template) I still can't seem to 
feel comfortable with things.

When I try to conceptualize the situation two "views" appear in my head.

1) The Tiddlers, when loaded, become floating popouts that can be moved 
around the computer screen just like regular app windows. That way as new 
Tiddlers are opened based on the users train of thought they just layer on 
the screen. I guess kind of like if you had 15 Word documents open in 15 
Word app instances so you could see the title and bits and pieces of each 
one.

2) The Tiddlers, when loaded, start to fill in the page similar to a tiling 
windows manager in Linux. Even if the boxes get progressively smaller as 
they resize during tiling or if once they hit a certain number of boxes the 
whole view simply shrinks percentage wise I guess it doesn't matter.

Anyway, any thoughts or solutions? Thanks again for all your help! Once I 
feel comfortable with the solution I've put together I'm going to post for 
anyone to use as a world building option, and also use it myself for my 
writing. 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Templates?

[Darth Mole]

First of all, thank you both very, very, very much! Shortly after I posted 
my original message I found some references to what I was trying to find 
but this community is great. You both responded with answers despite my 
lack of finding them on my own. Again thank you!

As for the solution:

*Mat*, yours was the closest as far as concept, and I was able to make it 
work as you described (thank you!), however it isn't exactly what I was 
looking for. If the data (the template code) was automatically added to the 
tiddler after saving, and then allowed me to fill out the 
information/answer the questions/etc afterwards then it would have been 
perfect. In this case it only creates a reference to static data, which can 
also be helpful and that I may use.

Instead of a filter is there a way to do an "insert" or something similar 
where it happens once on the initial save and then inserts the 
template/data so that the info can be filled out when it is next edited?

*Soren*, I was also able to get your suggestion working (thank you!) and 
was able to create a solution for my needs. Though I would prefer an 
automatic insert based on the tag I add (just based on my current workflow) 
having a tab with a list of buttons that call the different templates that 
I have prepared will also work. Thank you very much!

Again thank you both for your replies and help!


On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 10:26:22 AM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Hi iamdar... I'd approach it like so:
>
> Create a tiddler that contains the things you want. Tag it with 
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate
>
> Surround the content with a "conditional listwidget" i.e something that 
> recognized some unique characteristic for e.g "character" or "town" etc. 
> The simplest might be to tag all such tiddlers with that tag. I.e surroudn 
> the template code with:
>
> <$list filter="""[all[current]tag[Character]]""">
> (the template code)
> 
>
> Then to have it apply to a tiddler, you just tag that tiddler Character. 
> In viewmode, you'll then see the template which can have e.g SelectWidgets 
> and stuff.
>
> Note that in the code, you use <> to refer to the tiddler 
> that the template is used in. (That [all[current]...] could actually be 
> written [all] but it is a special case for the all[] 
> operator)
>
> BTW, if this really IS what you're after, then the term is "conditional 
> templates" (...even if I'm not sure it is used in the docs, but it ought to 
> be)
>
> <:-)
>
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 9:19:29 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I apologize in advance, I feel like I'm being dense in not being able to 
>> find the answer to my question. I think I may be overthinking it/using the 
>> wrong terminology in my searches. 
>>
>> What I'm curious about is if there is a way to create multiple Tiddler 
>> Templates so that it will prepopulate a list of questions/content when 
>> selected. I'm trying to use TiddlyRoam as an open source alternative to 
>> Obsidian, which is a self-hosted alternative to Roam Research.
>>
>> I want to use TiddlyRoam as world building software (I already use the 
>> base TiddlyWiki) and want to try and have prebuilt "templates" for Tiddler 
>> topics such as "Character" or "Town" or "Country" or "Group (IE: guild, 
>> venture, etc.)" where the base questions/information are already there for 
>> me just to answer/fill-out.
>>
>> I thought about Content Types being the answer, but again I think I'm 
>> just confusing myself and I don't even know if I can do it.
>>
>> Thank you in advance and again my apologies!
>>
>

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[tw5] Tiddler Templates?

[Darth Mole]

I apologize in advance, I feel like I'm being dense in not being able to 
find the answer to my question. I think I may be overthinking it/using the 
wrong terminology in my searches. 

What I'm curious about is if there is a way to create multiple Tiddler 
Templates so that it will prepopulate a list of questions/content when 
selected. I'm trying to use TiddlyRoam as an open source alternative to 
Obsidian, which is a self-hosted alternative to Roam Research.

I want to use TiddlyRoam as world building software (I already use the base 
TiddlyWiki) and want to try and have prebuilt "templates" for Tiddler 
topics such as "Character" or "Town" or "Country" or "Group (IE: guild, 
venture, etc.)" where the base questions/information are already there for 
me just to answer/fill-out.

I thought about Content Types being the answer, but again I think I'm just 
confusing myself and I don't even know if I can do it.

Thank you in advance and again my apologies!

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