[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

[clutterstack]

Mark, I do hope the search will be better -- it's hard to tell right now 
because there's not much on there. I hate to say "it would be hard to make 
it worse than GG search..." ;)

Paying for Discourse feels less sustainable somehow, but I think there's a 
core of contributors who are making a move to build momentum on TW, and 
paying for a tool to help your community communicate, support each other, 
and onboard new users makes a lot of sense through that lens. It's a risk, 
but it's a move.

With GG, I'm not 100% sure Google won't just pull the plug sometime within 
2-3 years. 

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 11:47:42 AM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:

> So mostly it's the meta issues that concern me.
>
> First, someone is paying for Discourse, right? It's not free like GG. Is 
> that sustainable, or will we back at GG in 2 or 3 years?
>
> Second, is the search better on Discourse? Because that was the main 
> concern about GG -- things become lost in the mist of time (the mist of 
> time being more than two weeks ago).
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Personally I have used many kinds of forums and conversational systems 
>> and the good ones have a number of features that you find are needed and 
>> help both with communications and adoption. Discourse has many if not all 
>> these features, and sure they may be implemented differently in different 
>> solutions, but in the long run all of these are needed. It may take a 
>> little longer to get used to the way it works, but from my experience it is 
>> about what we need in the long run not simply what we may want initially.
>>
>> With my experience I have found Discourse a walk in the park, with the 
>> odd little exception.  Why, because almost everything Discourse does or 
>> permits, is in a wide range of similar solutions. What I am trying to say 
>> is much of it is industry standard and learning Discourse will be reusable 
>> skills you can use in other places.  This is not just learning about a 
>> particular product but learning about the state of the art in collaboration 
>> systems. 
>>
>> Sure we can criticise any system for sure, nothing is perfect, but if 
>> helps hearing someone experienced in such things such as myself, it is all 
>> going to be worth it, its moving forward in a big step and it is largely 
>> based on standard practices. I urge you to push through the barriers to 
>> change or the new because we will all be rewarded. 
>>
>> I would also add, I have tried to get us to move before now and it was 
>> like herding cats, if we have any momentum at all I think we should move to 
>> an alternative, especially since Google has let us down big time. Eg No 
>> code, no mobile, are you kidding Google!
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 22:49:19 UTC+10 strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I signed up a few days ago and have looked around to get to know it - 
>>> and hopefully find something I liked about it. In between looking around 
>>> and reading- I started up a few "comfort" tiddlywikis.
>>>
>>> It looks rather complicated to me. Time will hopefully help.
>>> A lot of users over quite some time discussing tiddlywiki, and not forum 
>>> details will make it more interesting. But I realise that right now - it is 
>>> necessary to get the forum the way it can be - and users need help. - to 
>>> later be able to tell everyone else how easy it really is.
>>>
>>> Sorry - it might be my age.
>>>
>>> @Mohammad,
>>> The tutorial is nice and start when signing in - I wonder why so many 
>>> did not find it.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

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Josiah, when you say newbies, do you mean TiddlyWiki newbies, or Discourse 
newbies? 

If TiddlyWiki, then perhaps there are ways we can organise categories or 
something to make it easier to know where to post the occasional question?

If Discourse, I'm not sure...having experience reading and posting on 
phpBB-type forums, my first experience with Discourse (which is, I think, 
what fast.ai uses) was a bit disorienting to me and I still can't really 
put my finger on it. Busy? Opaque? However, we have to consider that the 
visual language used by Discourse may be what many younger people are 
already used to -- it may be that for most, Discourse will feel natural and 
Google Groups frustrating and weird.

Best,
Chris
On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:25:59 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Personally I have used many kinds of forums and conversational systems and 
> the good ones have a number of features that you find are needed and help 
> both with communications and adoption. Discourse has many if not all these 
> features, and sure they may be implemented differently in different 
> solutions, but in the long run all of these are needed. It may take a 
> little longer to get used to the way it works, but from my experience it is 
> about what we need in the long run not simply what we may want initially.
>
> With my experience I have found Discourse a walk in the park, with the odd 
> little exception.  Why, because almost everything Discourse does or 
> permits, is in a wide range of similar solutions. What I am trying to say 
> is much of it is industry standard and learning Discourse will be reusable 
> skills you can use in other places.  This is not just learning about a 
> particular product but learning about the state of the art in collaboration 
> systems. 
>
> Sure we can criticise any system for sure, nothing is perfect, but if 
> helps hearing someone experienced in such things such as myself, it is all 
> going to be worth it, its moving forward in a big step and it is largely 
> based on standard practices. I urge you to push through the barriers to 
> change or the new because we will all be rewarded. 
>
> I would also add, I have tried to get us to move before now and it was 
> like herding cats, if we have any momentum at all I think we should move to 
> an alternative, especially since Google has let us down big time. Eg No 
> code, no mobile, are you kidding Google!
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 22:49:19 UTC+10 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I signed up a few days ago and have looked around to get to know it - and 
>> hopefully find something I liked about it. In between looking around and 
>> reading- I started up a few "comfort" tiddlywikis.
>>
>> It looks rather complicated to me. Time will hopefully help.
>> A lot of users over quite some time discussing tiddlywiki, and not forum 
>> details will make it more interesting. But I realise that right now - it is 
>> necessary to get the forum the way it can be - and users need help. - to 
>> later be able to tell everyone else how easy it really is.
>>
>> Sorry - it might be my age.
>>
>> @Mohammad,
>> The tutorial is nice and start when signing in - I wonder why so many did 
>> not find it.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

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@R², I'm with Charlie on not getting into GreaseMonkey to really customise 
the forum -- BUT your post reminded me of something. I used the dropper 
tool in uBlock Origin to zap the animated date thingy. Now it doesn't grab 
my eye when I'm reading. Thanks.
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:24:53 AM UTC-4 R² wrote:

> @CJ, @clutterstack,
>
> Most of those are fairly minor design issues that can be easily solved 
> using a custom CSS hack (involving Stylus/GreaseMonkey/...).
>
> Regarding the avatars, I'm going for
>
> ```
> img.avatar{
>   filter: grayscale(100%) contrast(0.3) brightness(1.7);
> }
> ```
>
> to discretely blend them in the background without doing away with them 
> completely, but you may prefer a ``display: none``
>
> To avoid some of the empty spaces, you can use:
>
> ```
> div.main-outlet.wrap {
>   max-width: 100%;
> }
>
> .topic-body {
>   width: 100%
> }
> ```
>
> The latter isn't great because you're going to tire your eyes in 
> left-to-right saccades on a large screen but your call :)
>
> main-outlet.wrap has a maximum width specified, remove or change it →
> hide avatars (img.avatar display none)
>
> Best
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

[clutterstack]

@cj and @Birthe, LOL! I think there's a generational issue going on there. 
I know I tend to use too-small text, too-small line spacing, and too-small 
margins, but I get such an uncomfortable feeling from gobs of empty space.

I think I'll get used to the interface. I'm hoping the functionality will 
be better than Google. The animated timeline is sure annoying, though! :D

Best,
Chris

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:

> @Tones, this may be totally off-base for your situation, (and apologies if 
> I've missed more details elsewhere) but I am currently logging in to 
> Discourse with Google -- if I'm logged into this group, I can select the 
> sign in with Google option at the Discourse board and the Clutterstack user 
> is there. 
>
> Best,
> Chris
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:57:39 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> I am all for it but as posted elsewhere I am not getting the confirmation 
>> email and can't use my account.
>>
>> Whos the admin? Help please.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 17:52:32 UTC+10 BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>>> Hi tiddlywikians,
>>>
>>> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>>
>>> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to 
>>> the new Forum?
>>>
>>> just out of interest :)
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> BTC
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

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@Tones, this may be totally off-base for your situation, (and apologies if 
I've missed more details elsewhere) but I am currently logging in to 
Discourse with Google -- if I'm logged into this group, I can select the 
sign in with Google option at the Discourse board and the Clutterstack user 
is there. 

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:57:39 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> I am all for it but as posted elsewhere I am not getting the confirmation 
> email and can't use my account.
>
> Whos the admin? Help please.
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 17:52:32 UTC+10 BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>> Hi tiddlywikians,
>>
>> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to the 
>> new Forum?
>>
>> just out of interest :)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> BTC
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

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I'm there.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:16:11 AM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> See https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Jon  wrote:
>
>> Oh... what's the link?
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> I am moving too!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 

 Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe 
 everyone who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread 
 to 
 add their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus 
 from one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to 
 do 
 the same.

 Blessings.

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Re: [tw5] Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

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I've logged in, but was unable to reply to a GG post over there, so came 
back here. :P

I don't have a lot to say about it yet, but will come back to try it more.

Best,
Chris

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:28:39 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Also it should be mentioned that those who join the new forum will not 
> miss any post on Google Forum! as the new forum mirror GG forum!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:41 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> It would be great if we could get more community members to join the new 
>> forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ and use it for discussions, and 
>> provide feedback on how they find the user experience.
>>
>> Note that you can log in with a Google or Github account, or create a new 
>> user account specifically for the forum.
>>
>> Saq
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:30:28 AM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> The new Discourse forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ is an 
>>> experiment at this stage. At the moment, there's two way sync with Google 
>>> Groups, but if people like the new system then we will migrate fully over 
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> We'll be discussing it at the TiddlyWiki community call in a few hours 
>>> time:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:23, Mohammad Rahmani  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing BTC!
>>> I would like to have one central place to be informed about TW!
>>>
>>> Is this the one I wished?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:22 PM BurningTreeC  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi tiddlywikians,

 there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

 Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to 
 the new Forum?

 just out of interest :)

 Best wishes,
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[tw5] Re: Sidebar CSS

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Hi amreus, I'm not sure you've provided a clear enough description of what 
you want to do. My first thought is that without changing anything from the 
Vanilla theme, there's a media query that puts the sidebar to full width, 
at the top of the window, when the screen is narrower than some default. In 
this mode, on tiddlywiki.com, the "sidebar" opener/closer is hidden in the 
hamburger menu.

Does this not work for you or not suit your use case?

Best,
Chris
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:46:14 AM UTC-4 amreus wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to set up my wiki so i can use it on my phone as well as 
> desktop.
>
> I don't expect to be editing tiddlers or writing filters on the phone.  
> That will be done on the desktop.  But I do want to set up the sidebar with 
> some tabs and buttons for use on the phone.  I find this is working fairly 
> well for me so far.
>
> What I would like to do is set the sidebar width to the same pixel width 
> as my phone.  Where can I add the style to add a border around the sidebar, 
> and set it's width to exactly 375 pixels?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Titlebar CSS

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I struggle with that one -- what if I missed something I should know? Since 
usually the worst you'll get in this group is silence, at least it's a 
pretty safe place to ask when you're stuck.

Best,
Chris

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:16:27 AM UTC-4 Stobot wrote:

> Dangit - embarrassed it was something I should've seen - thanks Chris, 
> appreciate the help!!
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 10:33 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Hi @stobot -- first thing to check, without actually delving into which 
>> styling affects the heading, is: your stylesheet needs a dot before a class 
>> name: 
>>
>> .tc-site-title { font-size: 0.5em; }
>>
>> For the tiddler title, since there are other things than the title in the 
>> titlebar, we want to select the h2 within it specifically:
>>
>> .tc-titlebar h2 {
>> font-size: 0.7em;
>> }
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Chris
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:59:09 AM UTC-4 Stobot wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to figure out how to reduce the size of the titlebar via CSS 
>>> (including the buttons) and am stuck trying to understand how the CSS works.
>>>
>>> In developer tools when I inspect the area, I see this (below). When I 
>>> uncheck the font-size there, it actually gets bigger and doesn't seem to 
>>> affect the buttons
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> And then when I uncheck the font-size here - it greatly shrinks it (yay) 
>>> but *way too much*
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> My poor understanding of CSS made me think that the strikeout meant that 
>>> it was overridden by something else anyways, but it seems to change things 
>>> - oh well.
>>>
>>> Question is what I can add to a tiddler tagged with the 
>>> $:/tags/Stylesheet to reduce the size a bit? I'm trying this and it's not 
>>> doing anything...
>>>
>>> tc-site-title { font-size: 0.5em; }
>>>
>>> tc-titlebar { font-size: 0.5em; }
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Titlebar CSS

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Hi @stobot -- first thing to check, without actually delving into which 
styling affects the heading, is: your stylesheet needs a dot before a class 
name: 

.tc-site-title { font-size: 0.5em; }

For the tiddler title, since there are other things than the title in the 
titlebar, we want to select the h2 within it specifically:

.tc-titlebar h2 {
font-size: 0.7em;
}

Hope that helps,

Chris
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:59:09 AM UTC-4 Stobot wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how to reduce the size of the titlebar via CSS 
> (including the buttons) and am stuck trying to understand how the CSS works.
>
> In developer tools when I inspect the area, I see this (below). When I 
> uncheck the font-size there, it actually gets bigger and doesn't seem to 
> affect the buttons
> [image: image.png]
>
> And then when I uncheck the font-size here - it greatly shrinks it (yay) 
> but *way too much*
> [image: image.png]
>
> My poor understanding of CSS made me think that the strikeout meant that 
> it was overridden by something else anyways, but it seems to change things 
> - oh well.
>
> Question is what I can add to a tiddler tagged with the $:/tags/Stylesheet 
> to reduce the size a bit? I'm trying this and it's not doing anything...
>
> tc-site-title { font-size: 0.5em; }
>
> tc-titlebar { font-size: 0.5em; }
>

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

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Hi Jon, if you don't want the draft, perhaps the action-createtiddler widget 
 is what you're looking 
for, rather than the tm-new-tiddler message?

Best,
Chris
On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:02:42 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current date as 
> the title:
>
> \define newtags() [[log]]
> <$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">
>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> tags=<> text=<> />
>
>
> It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.
>
> Any ideas what's wrong with it?
>
> Regards
> Jon
>

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[tw5] Re: Niche interest - popup placement demo

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@Ste, yes, I also saw recently that @pmario mentioned repopup at github 
last year (https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4531).

I made this demo to understand the current stock behaviour of the reveal 
widget with popups, partly because it's not intuitive if you only have 
short lines in the popup  (belowleft can show up to the right of below) -- 
or if you only have a couple of lines (aboveright can show up below 
right).  
Adding some more content shows up why the current settings do have logic to 
them.

@Eric yes, that is a good point, that we can exert further control using 
these attributes as a base.

Thanks, Tones and CJ.


On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 3:41:39 PM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I made a demonstration of popup placement using the reveal widget's 
> position attribute. It doesn't give you control of all the factors that 
> might affect popup shape and position, but it did help me to understand the 
> behaviour and intent of each positioning option.
>
>
> https://clutterstack-tw-notes.tiddlyhost.com/#Demo%20-%20popup%20positioning%20with%20reveal%20widget
>
> Best,
> Chris
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[tw5] Niche interest - popup placement demo

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Hi all,

I made a demonstration of popup placement using the reveal widget's 
position attribute. It doesn't give you control of all the factors that 
might affect popup shape and position, but it did help me to understand the 
behaviour and intent of each positioning option.

https://clutterstack-tw-notes.tiddlyhost.com/#Demo%20-%20popup%20positioning%20with%20reveal%20widget

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: An interactive questionnaire in TiddlyWiki

[clutterstack]

Wow, what a package of work! Nice to see such a comprehensive functional 
application.

Best,
Chris

On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 6:46:02 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> I’ve recently completed a small project for the Anna Freud National Centre 
> for Children and Families in London (see https://annafreud.org/) to make 
> an interactive questionnaire that has some interesting features:
>
>
>- Fairly sophisticated scoring of the answers to multiple choice 
>questions
>- Generating spreadsheet files that can be downloaded and opened in 
>Excel, and .DOC files that open in Microsoft Word
>- Copying spreadsheet data to the clipboard for pasting directly into 
>Excel
>
>
> In its current form, the questionnaire is not directly reusable for other 
> purposes, but I hope some of the techniques will prove useful to others.
>
> The context for this work is that the AFNCCF trains teams of care workers 
> in Britain and around the world to work with the most troubled, hard to 
> reach young people and their families.  For more than a decade, they have 
> been working on the Adolescent Integrative Measure (AIM) to help care 
> workers make a systematic, objective record of the problems affecting a 
> particular young person, and to make suggestions of the interventions that 
> are indicated by the answers. By repeating the questionnaire after an 
> interval of months, workers can track a young persons progress. For the 
> last few years, the questionnaire has been filled out on paper but there 
> has long been a desire to simplify the process by moving it online.
>
> You can try out the questionnaire in a demo here:
>
> https://federatial.github.io/afnccf-aim-questionnaire/
>
> You can also see the questionnaire in AFNNCF's own site here:
>
> https://manuals.annafreud.org/ambit/#AIM%20Questionnaire
>
> The code is on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Federatial/afnccf-aim-questionnaire
>
> AIM is a series of multiple choice questions that measure the severity of 
> a particular problem. The spectrum of responses is a heartbreaking reminder 
> of the difficulties that young people can go through, and I’m very happy 
> that our collective work on TiddlyWiki is helping people help people in 
> these situations.
>
>
> Workers can also mark up to 6 of the questions as being “key problems” to 
> indicate that they need particular attention:
>
>
>
> There is a simple visualisation of progress through the questionnaire as 
> questions are answered:
>
>
> The questions are presented sequentially, with “next” and “previous” 
> buttons to move between them, and a dropdown that enables jumping directly 
> to a particular question. It also provides feedback of which questions have 
> been completed, and which have been marked as key problems:
>
>
> Until all the questions are answered, the results are blocked:
>
>
> Note that if you scroll down you’ll find a button that answers all the 
> questions instantly, making it easier to see the results.
>
>
> Once all the questions have been answered, the results are displayed in 
> several different tabs:
>
>
>- *Focal*: Each suggested intervention is ranked in order of 
>how severe the set of problems are (their averaged AIM scores) that 
>indicate that particular intervention. This is good for focusing on the 
>most severe problems
>- *Global*: Each suggested intervention is ranked according to how 
>many different problems (that is AIM items scoring greater than 2) the 
>young person has which that particular intervention is relevant for. This 
>is good for covering the whole set of problems and causes
>- *Limit*: Limit suggested interventions only to those relevant for 
>items identified as key problems
>
>
> The underlying calculations are probably the most complex that I have 
> attempted in TiddlyWiki (particularly the global ranking), making extensive 
> use of the mathematics operators and the ‘reduce’ and ‘filter’ operators. 
>
>
> (Note that the suggested interventions link to missing tiddlers in the 
> demo).
>
> The questions comprising the questionnaire and the user interface that 
> presents them can all be translated into other languages which are 
> automatically engaged when TiddlyWiki’s core language is switched:
>
>
> Answers are stored in temporary tiddlers that are not saved to the server, 
> so several ways are provided to downloaded/exported them:
>
>- As a .DOC file that can be read by Microsoft Word
>- As a .CSV file that can be read by Microsoft Excel
>- Via the clipboard in a format that can be pasted directly into 
>Microsoft Excel
>
> The technique used to generate a .DOC file is notable: it turns out that 
> Microsoft Word will happily open HTML files if they have the extension 
> .DOC. This makes generating a Word document just be a matter of exporting a 
> static HTML file and giving it the correct extension for the download.
>
>
> The code is published as a plugin so it’s 

[tw5] Re: What's the issue with IDs again?

[clutterstack]

I'm going to admit I'm missing something, too. I'm not certain whether 
there's a technical factor that makes ids worse in TW than in HTML, or if 
it's just the distinction between an HTML *developer* (who can easily put 
duplicate ids into a page) and a TW *user*  that makes them too dangerous 
(e.g. making *id* a widget attribute would introduce problems for adopters 
and thus for the community trying to support them).

Once you're writing macros using qualify etc., because you need some unique 
identifier for the code to work, then you get the responsibility for the 
edge cases.

I'm fuzzy on whether there's an intractable technical problem that 
prevents, for example, a widget for an HTML datalist tag, using qualify to 
get a unique id. I have to admit I haven't explored it, but I haven't 
thought of a reason why it couldn't work -- just that if you put that 
widget in twice in a row with the same attribute values, you would get two 
elements with the same id, so if policy is that a widget should not allow a 
user to do that, then...but even then, surely there's technically a way to 
generate a unique id for each instance? 

I admit it gets messy (have to be able to keep track of and refer to that id), 
and the more complicated it gets, the more attractive other 
complicated-seeming solutions become (thinking about keyboard-driven-input).

So, those are my thoughts today on that topic! Ha. I have been wondering. 
I'm more satisfied now that I've thought it through, but still curious 
about further insights.

Best,
Chris

On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 12:56:58 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> In HTML one can apply an ID attribute to objects. I know this is not 
> possible in TW... but I don't get why. Can someone explain why this is not 
> possible or not appropriate, please.
>
> I have some ideas but need to understand this issue before going further.
>
> Thanx
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

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Sorry I didn't see this, Patrick. I hope you found a solution -- but that 
looks like a symptom of the fact that the currentTiddler variable 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#currentTiddler%20Variable> doesn't get set 
automatically in the sidebar. So you're looking for a searchterm (or 
search?) field on a tiddler that doesn't exist.

One approach is to set a named state tiddler for your edit-text widget to 
use (so you're not relying on a currentTiddler), then include that name in 
the filter ( [tag{statetid!!search}]). Another would be to set the 
currentTiddler variable using transclusion -- rather than putting your 
search tiddler straight into the sidebar, put a tiddler that transcludes it 
in the sidebar. More about how transclusion affects currentTiddler at 
tiddlywiki.com <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Transclusion%20with%20Templates>.

Best,
Chris
On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 8:00:48 PM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's brilliant, thanks so much. It works, but (weirdly?) not if I have 
> the date sorting, and not if the tiddler is put into the sidebar (the 
> search field field doesn't get filled!) 
>
> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
> tag="input"/> 
> 
> search is {{!!search}}
> 
> *<>*
>
>
> However, this is nearly there and I'm very grateful  ;-)
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 16:34:25 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Or I should specify "you can *transclude* a text reference using curly 
>> brackets" since this can be a bit messy to keep straight. 
>>
>> Docs: https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>
>>> Sorry if I'm misinterpreting. You can use a text reference in a filter 
>>> with curly brackets.
>>>
>>> It looks as though you're using Mohammad's timeline macros. I went to 
>>> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Timelines/ and made a new tiddler to test 
>>> your example. Adding the following gave me a timeline:
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Chris
>>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:47:05 AM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matybe I wasn't clear enough
>>>>
>>>> I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.
>>>>
>>>> \define thisList()
>>>> <$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
>>>> \end
>>>> <$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
>>>> TestVariable is <>
>>>> This list is <>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to 
>>>> search" 
>>>> tag="input"/> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"
>>>>
>>>> but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing 
>>>> macro as a filter such as
>>>>
>>>> <> 
>>>>
>>>> or 
>>>>
>>>> <>>> search:"$(search)$" date:"date">>
>>>>  
>>>> any ideas please?
>>>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using 
>>>>> timelines plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case 
>>>>> "snippet")
>>>>>
>>>>> <>>>>
>>>>> To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a 
>>>>> text box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a 
>>>>> custom 
>>>>> date field
>>>>>
>>>>> I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, 
>>>>> but cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, 
>>>>> though 
>>>>> the date field works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

[clutterstack]

Or I should specify "you can *transclude* a text reference using curly 
brackets" since this can be a bit messy to keep straight. 

Docs: https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> Sorry if I'm misinterpreting. You can use a text reference in a filter 
> with curly brackets.
>
> It looks as though you're using Mohammad's timeline macros. I went to 
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Timelines/ and made a new tiddler to test 
> your example. Adding the following gave me a timeline:
>
> <>
>
> Hope that helps,
> Chris
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:47:05 AM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Matybe I wasn't clear enough
>>
>> I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.
>>
>> \define thisList()
>> <$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
>> \end
>> <$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
>> TestVariable is <>
>> This list is <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
>> tag="input"/> 
>> 
>>
>> this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"
>>
>> but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing 
>> macro as a filter such as
>>
>> <> 
>>
>> or 
>>
>> <> date:"date">>
>>  
>> any ideas please?
>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:
>>
>>> It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using 
>>> timelines plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case 
>>> "snippet")
>>>
>>> <>>
>>> To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a 
>>> text box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a custom 
>>> date field
>>>
>>> I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, but 
>>> cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, though the 
>>> date field works fine.
>>>
>>> can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

[clutterstack]

Hi Patrick,

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting. You can use a text reference in a filter with 
curly brackets.

It looks as though you're using Mohammad's timeline macros. I went to 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Timelines/ and made a new tiddler to test your 
example. Adding the following gave me a timeline:

<>

Hope that helps,
Chris
On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:47:05 AM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:

> Matybe I wasn't clear enough
>
> I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.
>
> \define thisList()
> <$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
> \end
> <$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
> TestVariable is <>
> This list is <>
> 
> 
>
> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
> tag="input"/> 
> 
>
> this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"
>
> but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing macro 
> as a filter such as
>
> <> 
>
> or 
>
> < date:"date">>
>  
> any ideas please?
> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:
>
>> It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using 
>> timelines plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case 
>> "snippet")
>>
>> <>
>> To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a text 
>> box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a custom date 
>> field
>>
>> I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, but 
>> cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, though the 
>> date field works fine.
>>
>> can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: First edition of Grok TiddlyWiki (TW textbook) is live

[clutterstack]

This is a beautiful piece of work. I think it will make a difference.

Cheers,
Chris

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:43:44 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I'm excited to announce that the first public edition of my TiddlyWiki 
> textbook, *Grok TiddlyWiki*, is live at https://groktiddlywiki.com/read. 
> *Grok 
> TiddlyWiki* is (from the book) “a textbook that helps you build a deep, 
> lasting understanding of and proficiency with TiddlyWiki through a 
> combination of detailed explanations, practical exercises, 
> and spaced-repetition reviews of prompts called *takeaways*.”
>
> I am hoping this book will fill in many of the gaps in TiddlyWiki's 
> documentation / learning ecosystem – right now we have lots of beginner 
> tutorials, and mostly good documentation for experts (with a few gaps), but 
> almost nothing for people in between. GTW is what I wished I had when I was 
> in that position: complete lessons on the features and idioms of TiddlyWiki 
> needed to bring someone from beginner to expert.
>
> The book is free to read and CC BY-NC-ND licensed (you can redistribute it 
> for noncommercial purposes). I am accepting donations 
>  to support my continued work on GTW 
> and other TiddlyWiki learning resources. I would also appreciate your help 
> spreading the word about the book, e.g., on TW links sites, notes-related 
> resources, or social media.
>
> A huge thanks to everyone from this community who provided feedback on the 
> prerelease (see the acknowledgments section for details). Barring me 
> getting run over by a bus, there will be updated editions in the future, so 
> please keep the feedback and suggestions coming.

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[tw5] Re: Quick walkthrough of my notetaking process

[clutterstack]

Nice demonstration! I love the rebranding.

Best,
Chris

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:48:49 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

>
> There has been a lot of talk about walk-throughs ever since Soren's 
> wonderful example.
>
> Here is one of my own. It includes BLTs (formerly L+BL), and Mohammad's 
> SearchWikis plugin. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvLOdG-tCnc
>
> There is a link in the Youtube description to a template to play with, and 
> there are instructions in that template.
>

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[tw5] Re: macro variable valuation

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Hi, 

You've troubleshot it pretty well yourself, and you've run into a big 
difference between WikiText and the kind of programming you might be used 
to. To quote the docs , "Macros are in fact 
just parameterised variables". Things don't get evaluated everywhere we put 
them; generally they get substituted, and only at particular points do they 
get evaluated. It takes some adjustment to get used to.

The way I look at it, it's not so much that  "{{!!dico}}" and "{{!!index}}" 
are *not* wikified (evaluated) within the double square bracket. It's more 
that TW *does* wikify the non-linked ones to render the tiddler. 

The *text* widget is a useful way of checking whether your macro outputs 
something that TiddlyWiki will wikify into the result you want.

Try

<$text text=<> />

to see what it really looks like when TiddlyWiki goes to wikify it for 
rendering:

space demo for "{{!!index}}" in "{{!!dico}}" [[{{!!dico}}]] (not 
[[{{!!dico}}|{{!!index}}]])

As you've noticed,  a text reference like that doesn't work inside the 
double square brackets of the link shorthand. If you type that out into a 
tiddler, you'll get the same result as if you run the macro. 

The most obvious way I can think of to get the output you expect is to 
write out the link widget:

\define spaceDemo2(dico index)
space demo for "$index$" in "$dico$" <$link to=$dico$/> (not 
<$link to=$index$>$dico$)
\end

Best,
Chris
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 9:19:36 AM UTC-4 jn.pierr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wanted to check if having space within a dictionary name or an index 
> name was a go or a no-go for tw. So I wrote a macro to check it up (BTW, 
> the answer is: no, it doesn't matter).
>
> OK, now for what I want to say here, the macro will only print its 
> arguments as is and as a wiki link.
>
>
> \define spaceDemo(dico index)
> !!! space demo for "$index$" in "$dico$" [[$dico$]] (not 
> [[$dico$|$index$]])
> \end
>
> and now the invocation was
>
> <>
> <>
> <>
> <>
>
> and I got what I thought I would get, like
>
> space demo for "ma citation" in "mon autre dico" mon autre dico (not mon 
> autre dico)
>
> witg tge first link pointing to "mon autre dico" and the second to "ma 
> citation".
>
> But then I added two fields within thi tidder calling the macro:
> * a "dico" field containing "mon autre dico"
> * an "index" field containing "ma citation"
>
> and I called the macro thus:
>
> <>
>
> and then, surprise!, I got:
>
> space demo for "ma citation" in "mon autre dico" {{!!dico}} (not 
> {{!!dico}})
>
> with the first link to the litteral "{{!dico}}" and the second to 
> "{{!!index}}".
>
> I would have thought the argument transmitted would have been interpreted 
> before calling the macro. And why then this differences of treatment? What 
> is the mechanism responsible of this?
>
> Practical interest, BTW: with" [[$arg$]]" you can see 
> how really was written the argument "arg" when the macro was called.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lag in edit-text widget

[clutterstack]

@Ste ha ha ;)

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:49:31 AM UTC-4 Ste wrote:

> Have you tried typing more slowly? ;)
>
> On Friday, 2 April 2021 at 12:44:52 UTC+1 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> If you go to tiddlywiki.com and edit there. Do you have the same 
>> problem. ... If yes, ... it is a problem. If no it's your wiki
>> -m
>>
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 4:16:20 AM UTC+2 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark. No, I used a separate state tiddler. It works fine, it's 
>>> just a bit hard to type. I've typed a huge amount into laggy widgets over 
>>> the past year; I just thought it was my fault and that I'd fix my plugins 
>>> eventually. Now I'm not sure I can fix them without getting "closer to the 
>>> metal."
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:54:17 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you trying to edit text or fields in the SAME tiddler that your 
>>>> edit widget is in? Because that will cause problems. You have to edit the 
>>>> contents of some other tiddler.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been trying all sorts of things to make typing in my personal 
>>>>> plugins less laggy, and I've realised that all I have to do to make 
>>>>> typing 
>>>>> laggy is to do it within an edit-text widget in view mode, no plugin 
>>>>> required. I can get down to 5fps typing in an edit-text widget in a new 
>>>>> tiddler on tiddlywiki.com (it's almost 10x as fast in the normal 
>>>>> tiddler editor).
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a well-known thing? I haven't 
>>>>> found a lot of clues but my google-fu may be weak today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lag in edit-text widget

[clutterstack]

Thanks, Mario. I know some things are not optimised on my wiki, but the lag 
was similar on tiddlywiki.com, and that was what really surprised and 
confused me. 

Best wishes,
Chris
On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
> If you go to tiddlywiki.com and edit there. Do you have the same problem. 
> ... If yes, ... it is a problem. If no it's your wiki
> -m
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 4:16:20 AM UTC+2 clutterstack wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks, Mark. No, I used a separate state tiddler. It works fine, it's 
>> just a bit hard to type. I've typed a huge amount into laggy widgets over 
>> the past year; I just thought it was my fault and that I'd fix my plugins 
>> eventually. Now I'm not sure I can fix them without getting "closer to the 
>> metal."
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:54:17 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Are you trying to edit text or fields in the SAME tiddler that your edit 
>>> widget is in? Because that will cause problems. You have to edit the 
>>> contents of some other tiddler.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying all sorts of things to make typing in my personal 
>>>> plugins less laggy, and I've realised that all I have to do to make typing 
>>>> laggy is to do it within an edit-text widget in view mode, no plugin 
>>>> required. I can get down to 5fps typing in an edit-text widget in a new 
>>>> tiddler on tiddlywiki.com (it's almost 10x as fast in the normal 
>>>> tiddler editor).
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a well-known thing? I haven't 
>>>> found a lot of clues but my google-fu may be weak today.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lag in edit-text widget

[clutterstack]

Thank you, Hubert! This is the key I needed to find. I have in fact seen 
the thread you linked, and because I didn't understand it (it didn't affect 
the frequency of TIddlyWeb messages/saves, which was my focus at the time), 
I kind of set it aside. I have my main wiki's $:/config/Drafts/TypingTimeout 
set to four seconds, but I missed how it worked with state tiddlers.

I've tried it on tiddlywiki.com, and it did make a difference. So even if I 
have other speed issues to deal with, at least this mystery is solved. It 
was driving me bonkers that I couldn't see why a draft tiddler was smooth 
and an arbitrary edit-text widget was not (on my hardware and software). 
Such a relief. Thanks again Hubert (and Jeremy) for already having worked 
on this, and for the excellent answer above.

If I had searched properly in this group, I would have seen your title, 
nearly identical to mine. 

Best wishes,
Chris
On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 5:36:04 AM UTC-4 Hubert wrote:

> Hi Clutterstack,
>
> Try addding this field to your state tiddler: *throttle.refresh*
>
> I'm using TW quite heavily on mobile (in addition to desktop) and after 
> raising issues regarding typing performance on mobile 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/IqdgBUkrgbA/m/4RNWLf7GCgAJ> Jeremy 
> was kind to add a throttle.refresh 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/static/RefreshThrottling.html> setting (code 
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/6089c4de2921df0f76f605f1830fb2c04548f73c>),
>  
> starting with TiddlyWiki version 5.1.22 (if I remember correctly).
>
> The way it works for me (as in, issue solved permanently) is that my 
> edit-text widgets use "$:/typing" as the target tiddler to type into. That 
> tiddler has the field "throttle.refresh" with the value "$:/typing". 
> Performance is comparable to the one you get when typing in edit mode.
>
> One thing to remember is that although you can now experience lag-free 
> typing, your changes won't be committed until the wiki can actually 
> refresh. So, I'm wrapping my edit-text widgets in a keyboard widget that 
> listens for the enter key. When I'm done typing and hit enter, then an 
> action widget populates the value taken from the "$:/typing" tiddler into a 
> tiddler of choice and the $:/typing tiddler itself is cleared.
>
> It's smooth and easy but you lose the possibility of searching with live 
> updating. It all depends on what is more important to you. I personally aim 
> for peak performance, whether desktop or mobile and this solution provides 
> that.
>
> Hope this helps. Please let me know if you need any help with this or any 
> example code, etc.
>
> Cheers,
> -Hubert
>
>
> On Friday, 2 April 2021 at 03:16:20 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks, Mark. No, I used a separate state tiddler. It works fine, it's 
>> just a bit hard to type. I've typed a huge amount into laggy widgets over 
>> the past year; I just thought it was my fault and that I'd fix my plugins 
>> eventually. Now I'm not sure I can fix them without getting "closer to the 
>> metal."
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:54:17 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Are you trying to edit text or fields in the SAME tiddler that your edit 
>>> widget is in? Because that will cause problems. You have to edit the 
>>> contents of some other tiddler.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying all sorts of things to make typing in my personal 
>>>> plugins less laggy, and I've realised that all I have to do to make typing 
>>>> laggy is to do it within an edit-text widget in view mode, no plugin 
>>>> required. I can get down to 5fps typing in an edit-text widget in a new 
>>>> tiddler on tiddlywiki.com (it's almost 10x as fast in the normal 
>>>> tiddler editor).
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a well-known thing? I haven't 
>>>> found a lot of clues but my google-fu may be weak today.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lag in edit-text widget

[clutterstack]

@Mark and @Hubert -- so frustrated with myself that I couldn't find your 
previous discussions last night. Thanks

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:49:31 AM UTC-4 Ste wrote:

> Have you tried typing more slowly? ;)
>
> On Friday, 2 April 2021 at 12:44:52 UTC+1 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> If you go to tiddlywiki.com and edit there. Do you have the same 
>> problem. ... If yes, ... it is a problem. If no it's your wiki
>> -m
>>
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 4:16:20 AM UTC+2 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark. No, I used a separate state tiddler. It works fine, it's 
>>> just a bit hard to type. I've typed a huge amount into laggy widgets over 
>>> the past year; I just thought it was my fault and that I'd fix my plugins 
>>> eventually. Now I'm not sure I can fix them without getting "closer to the 
>>> metal."
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:54:17 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you trying to edit text or fields in the SAME tiddler that your 
>>>> edit widget is in? Because that will cause problems. You have to edit the 
>>>> contents of some other tiddler.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been trying all sorts of things to make typing in my personal 
>>>>> plugins less laggy, and I've realised that all I have to do to make 
>>>>> typing 
>>>>> laggy is to do it within an edit-text widget in view mode, no plugin 
>>>>> required. I can get down to 5fps typing in an edit-text widget in a new 
>>>>> tiddler on tiddlywiki.com (it's almost 10x as fast in the normal 
>>>>> tiddler editor).
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a well-known thing? I haven't 
>>>>> found a lot of clues but my google-fu may be weak today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lag in edit-text widget

[clutterstack]

Thanks, Mark. No, I used a separate state tiddler. It works fine, it's just 
a bit hard to type. I've typed a huge amount into laggy widgets over the 
past year; I just thought it was my fault and that I'd fix my plugins 
eventually. Now I'm not sure I can fix them without getting "closer to the 
metal."
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:54:17 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:

> Are you trying to edit text or fields in the SAME tiddler that your edit 
> widget is in? Because that will cause problems. You have to edit the 
> contents of some other tiddler.
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been trying all sorts of things to make typing in my personal 
>> plugins less laggy, and I've realised that all I have to do to make typing 
>> laggy is to do it within an edit-text widget in view mode, no plugin 
>> required. I can get down to 5fps typing in an edit-text widget in a new 
>> tiddler on tiddlywiki.com (it's almost 10x as fast in the normal tiddler 
>> editor).
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a well-known thing? I haven't found 
>> a lot of clues but my google-fu may be weak today.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>

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[tw5] Lag in edit-text widget

[clutterstack]

Hi all,

I've been trying all sorts of things to make typing in my personal plugins 
less laggy, and I've realised that all I have to do to make typing laggy is 
to do it within an edit-text widget in view mode, no plugin required. I can 
get down to 5fps typing in an edit-text widget in a new tiddler on 
tiddlywiki.com (it's almost 10x as fast in the normal tiddler editor).

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a well-known thing? I haven't found a 
lot of clues but my google-fu may be weak today.

Thanks,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: [Updated] Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

[clutterstack]

Looks very interesting. I don't have time to look in detail right now, but 
this looks like a fun project, maybe also good PR for TiddlyWiki.

Best,
Chris

On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 12:51:35 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> RGBA tools have been added to version 0.9
>
> https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/#
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> *Rev 0.9 - Mar 27th, 2021*
>
>- [NEW] JS macro to convert hex to rgb
>- [NEW] RGBA Color tools
>- [NEW] RGB Colors
>- [NEW] RGBA Colors
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:11 AM Mohammad Rahmani  
> wrote:
>
>> *Color Play New Update*
>> I have updated the codes and demos to https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>>- The code was not bundled as plugin lets you to hack and change it 
>>as you like
>>- The sidebar tab shows the Color Play Components
>>- The sidebar tab also has a color tools (links to tiddlers)
>>
>> *Rev 0.8 - Mar 26th, 2021*
>>
>>
>>- [NEW] JS macro to convert rgb to hex
>>- [NEW] JS macro to convert rgba to hex8 (#rrggbbaa)
>>- [NEW] JS macro to convert hex to hsl
>>- [NEW] JS macro to convert hex8 (#rrggbbaa) to hsla
>>- [NEW] Wikitex macro to convert extended color name to hex
>>- [NEW] Wikitex macro to convert extended color name to hsl
>>- [NEW] HSLA Color tool shows checker box for transparency
>>- [NEW] HSLA Color tool now accepts the extended color names as input
>>
>>
>>
>> Color Play will not only provide tools to create Tiddlywiki color palettes 
>> but also tools to play with colors in general!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:42 AM Mohammad Rahmani  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Following the work by Thomas and Chris I have updated the Color Play!
>>> This version adds the Coloractions plugin by Thomas! So you can use it 
>>> as a utility to generate colors and check readability!
>>>
>>> I have updated the codes and demos to https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- The code was not bundled as plugin lets you to hack and change it 
>>>as you like
>>>- The sidebar tab shows the Color Play Components
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The purpose is to let any user create a color palette and a new taste! 
>>> and perhaps share it with others. *
>>> I would be happy to receive your created palettes and share them with 
>>> others through the Color Play page!
>>>
>>> Don't be afraid: In your free time give a try and create a new color 
>>> palette and then share it! 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>   References:
>>>
>>>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/lGabtMCLmyk/m/y_SV5jdhAgAJ
>>>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/ATBaeD5uDYE/m/S3O7w6LBAgAJ
>>>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/SswEriOom7M/m/RCO1QcjlAgAJ
>>>- 
>>>https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FColorAction
>>>- 
>>>
>>> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Fpaletteeditor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[clutterstack]

I'm glad to see this. There will be lots to learn from the experience. I've 
created a tiddlyhost site for this and made a pull request. I see I'm 
already not sticking to the rules with my 14-word link description.

Sorry if I missed something about this, but it looks as if automatic 
linking of CamelCase is causing some dead links (for example TiddlyWiki in 
the example tiddlers).

Best wishes,
Chris
On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:24:27 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> [...] polite to make it as small as possible.
>> [...] your workflow as smooth as possible so that you've got every 
>> incentive to keep posting the links...
>>
>
> Definitely a disconnect there.
> I've previously experimented with savers that save to two places, using 
> different saving filters. So I use my everyday wiki and click save, 
> seemingly as normal. In reality, a copy is saved to another instance but 
> the save filter filters out everything but the tiddlers tagged 
> $:/tags/Link. The aggregator fetches from this wiki only. (BTW, such a 
> multi-saver is pretty cool in itself; you could have one central wiki to 
> publish niche content to multiple niche wikis.)
>
> BTW, fellow tiddleur Erwan deserves some cred for this concept. More so 
> than the mention of TWederation. He designed a "community plugin 
> aggregator" many suns ago. 
>
> <:-)
>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Preview: hue picker widget

[clutterstack]

Hi Mohammad,

This is a really simple tool, colour-wise, because all it does is pick an 
angle to use as the hue for an HSLA colour. At the moment it's writing 
three angles in degrees, into fields in a tiddler. Obviously one angle 
would do, if you wanted to calculate other colours using filters. There's 
no saturation or lightness adjustment yet, and it doesn't convert to RGB. 
It think saturation and lightness could be handled with the Range widget 
and the widgets could be chained like nodes in Blender 3D.

This widget needs a lot of cleaning up before I share it, but I need a 
slight break from this after messing with html and svg yesterday; when I 
looked at the clock this morning I thought the time had angle brackets 
around it! XD

Best,
Chris
On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:20:57 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> Good job!
> Is it possible to use this tool to mix colors and laso generate shades and 
> tints?
> Does it write the resulting color code in a tiddler field/variable?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 2:59 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My weekend project is a widget to pick a hue from a wheel. Right now it 
>> also suggests a triadic hue combination. It could have other modes too, or 
>> be a simple hue picker.
>>
>> The left-hand column of squares get their background colours from a 
>> tiddler that the widget writes to, and the JS widget sets the right-hand 
>> ones directly by class.
>>
>> I'm running this on a local TiddlyWeb wiki, and it does a lot of saving! 
>> It's a lot smoother if I only write to a tiddler on mouseup. Perhaps some 
>> throttling on mouse events would also be useful.
>>
>> I've uploaded a QuickTime video but I'm not sure that's watchable for 
>> everyone. It basically shows some roughness in the motion and the delay in 
>> the left-hand column after the right-hand gets its colours.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Chris[image: Screen Shot 2021-03-14 at 7.02.28 PM.png]
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[tw5] Re: [Introducing] TiddlyJam - new Plugin, CMS and static website generator

[clutterstack]

Hi Adithya, 

TiddlyJam looks very nice! I think it's a great use for TiddlyWiki.

Best wishes,
Chris

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 5:41:23 PM UTC-4 bmad...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mat, Mohammad,
>
> Its up now. Thanks for the heads-up.
>
> Cheers,
> Adithya
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:24:05 PM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>
>> Like Mohammad says, the https://tiddlyjam.com and /tiddly don't work.
>> Really curious about it!
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 6:17:56 PM UTC+1 bmad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone!
>>>
>>> I have been working on a static website generator/CMS plugin for 
>>> TiddlyWiki for my personal use for the past six months or so. Finally, I 
>>> feel I am ready to share it!
>>>
>>>- Have a look at the rendered website at https://tiddlyjam.com
>>>- The github repo is at https://github.com/adithya-badidey/tiddlyjam
>>>- Actual wiki is at https://tiddlyjam.com/tiddly
>>>- Its still in alpha - please share bugs, comments, feedback - 
>>>either here or at 
>>>https://github.com/adithya-badidey/tiddlyjam/discussions
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Adithya
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

[clutterstack]

Looking good, Mohammad. I like that you've incorporated a way to keep a 
"mood" colour but change the lightness. 

Best wishes,
Chris

On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:58:37 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Following your great idea of having a TW palette generator. I did some 
> experiments today. I have uploaded the codes and demos to 
> https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/
>
> It uses a predefined color scheme and then generates clickable color 
> shades and tints to be set for a new palette!
> You can test the new palettes using the provided toggle button!
>
> It was not packaged as a plugin, so you can simply use the codes and 
> styles in any way you like.
>
>
> It would be a dream if you can create a tool to generate a TW palette in a 
> simple way! Grouping and automatic setting the colors would be great!
> As we discussed creating a palette is a big headache now! But your idea is 
> a step forward!
>
>
> Screenshot
> [image: img_12_msedge.png]
>
> References:
>
>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/lGabtMCLmyk/m/y_SV5jdhAgAJ
>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/ATBaeD5uDYE/m/S3O7w6LBAgAJ
>
>
> Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

[clutterstack]

Thanks Álvaro!

if it succeeded it could be grouped again to simplify the palette or to 
> assign the colors more easily.
>
Yes, that could be an approach.
 

> To assign the colors, I had thought of using the contrast ratio to suggest 
> colors for the background once the foreground was chosen.
>
> I wonder if the the contrastcolour macro 
 
in core (for tag pills) might help with that in the short term. 

Best,
Chris


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[tw5] Re: [Requesting feedback] Customizer plugin

[clutterstack]

Looking nice, David. I think this will help make TW more friendly to 
newcomers. The "create your own add-ons" tab is intriguing!

Best,
Chris

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Moved this project forward a bit. It should be much easier to see what I 
> am going for, re: add-ons. 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.part.2.html
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 9:12:21 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am almost done with the Customizer plugin. Requesting any feedback 
>> before I write the instructions, package the plugins, and package the 
>> addons.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.part.2.html
>>
>> Thanks to Mohammad for help with converting it to a single button with 
>> two tabs.
>>
>> Note that the backlinks options and sidebar options I have listed will be 
>> independent of the plugin, available as add-ons.
>>
>> There is now the ability to reorder sidebar segments right in the sidebar 
>> tab of the Customizer button. 
>>
>> I also created a prototype of a Book tools sidebar (glossary, 
>> bibliography, table of contents). 
>>
>> Anyone can create custom view template elements and sidebar segments by 
>> tagging a tiddler $:/giffmex/viewtemplate or $:/giffmex/sidebarsegments, so 
>> if you don't like my baclkink stuff and sidebar stuff, you can make your 
>> own and even share them on your own sites to use with this plugin. I am 
>> trying to make this as flexible and usable as possible.
>>
>> Blessings, Dave
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set

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Hi Mohammad,

I very much agree that the palette is very uncomfortable to tweak 
selector-by-selector.

I think this has grown organically and cleaning it up (or rethinking the 
impact of changing it) is a tedious job. What breaks if we don't have all 
the selectors currently in Vanilla? I haven't investigated (except 
occasionally by accident, ha).

There are a bunch of "wikilist" ones at the end that I think are for 
TiddlyDesktop(?) and so add to the number without making the TW theming 
more complicated. 

I haven't looked (and I should, if I'm going to be playing with this sort 
of thing), but I would guess that there are themes out there that don't 
need Vanilla, with fewer selectors.

I'm rambling. I agree with what you say. At the moment, it seems to me that 
grouping some selectors together, as I'm doing, but perhaps a bit less 
aggressively (or more aggressively?) will make it easier for users to make 
themes without making any changes to the core.

Thomas Elmiger and Jeremy have evidently been thinking about colour and 
colour harmony tools for some time, from the thread you referenced 
(Jeremy's response and TT's link to telmiger's colour tools page).

Best,
Chris

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 11:52:59 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Referencing to Tweakable colour palette 
> 
>
> 1. Goto https://tiddlywiki.com/
> 2. Open the Advanced search  
> 
> 3. In the filter tab enter [[$:/palettes/Vanilla]indexes[]count[]]
>
> You see there are *132 *css selectors!
>
> Trying to create a new template is a BIG headache!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Further to my last post, I don't guarantee the palettes generated here are 
fit for purpose! :D

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:42:20 AM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> Thanks TT,
>
> The only thing I find confusing is HOW to save a new palette set?
>> Obviously end-users will be looking to save to new names & activate new 
>> palettes they make. 
>> It is just not so clear how to do that I think??
>>
>
> That's because I didn't build that yet. :D However, if you are using the 
> Vanilla theme and want to keep a palette, putting a copy of the  
> $:/plugins/can/moods/palettes/Omelette 
> tiddler into your TW should work. The plugin provides this tiddler, and 
> "overwrites" it as you change things.
>
>>
>> Purely FYI, Telmiger some time ago attempted to make a "Color Action 
>> <https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FColorAction>" 
>> thing that tries to deal with "colour harmony" issues that Jermolene refers 
>> to.  
>> It is somewhat obscure how it works but I mention it because you might be 
>> able to benefit from seeing at least the concept behind it.
>>
>> This is full of good stuff, thanks for the heads-up. And I see David has 
> it in the TW Toolmap, so it's discoverable (I hadn't looked until you 
> mentioned it).
>
> Best wishes,
> Chris
>

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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Thanks TT,

The only thing I find confusing is HOW to save a new palette set?
> Obviously end-users will be looking to save to new names & activate new 
> palettes they make. 
> It is just not so clear how to do that I think??
>

That's because I didn't build that yet. :D However, if you are using the 
Vanilla theme and want to keep a palette, putting a copy of the  
$:/plugins/can/moods/palettes/Omelette 
tiddler into your TW should work. The plugin provides this tiddler, and 
"overwrites" it as you change things.

>
> Purely FYI, Telmiger some time ago attempted to make a "Color Action 
> " 
> thing that tries to deal with "colour harmony" issues that Jermolene refers 
> to.  
> It is somewhat obscure how it works but I mention it because you might be 
> able to benefit from seeing at least the concept behind it.
>
> This is full of good stuff, thanks for the heads-up. And I see David has 
it in the TW Toolmap, so it's discoverable (I hadn't looked until you 
mentioned it).

Best wishes,
Chris

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Re: [tw5] [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Apologies to everyone for not replying to these all in one message.

 On each palette button is it possible to have what it is or can we have a 
> tooltip to show its name?
>  like [background] [foreground]
>
> I mean the six buttons you click to select the base colors!
>
> A finished version of this would have tooltips, definitely. At the moment 
the base colours are called things like "mood1" etc., and the purposes are 
decided by clicking on base colours. That gives you the freedom to choose 
colours you like, and then put them into different roles.

Some of the colour choices can be pure preference, but once made, they 
constrain some of the others. For example, if you want to swap a light 
background for a dark one, you can just click on a dark colour from your 
set that you've picked. But then you may also have to change the foreground 
so you can see it. So there's some slop that bothers me in the current 
version. A fancy plugin might do something like that for you and reduce the 
clutter. There are so many cool things one could do here!

Best wishes,
Chris

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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>  Now you have 6 base colors am I right?
>

At the moment, yes. I was thinking that any given theme might have more or 
fewer. One could imagine (and I think Jeremy was alluding to this) picking 
two or three main colours and having an easy way to make lighter or darker, 
or more- or less-saturated, variations of those colours to keep the theme 
harmonious.

 Is it to have three or four base colors and everything adjusted based on 
> that? 
>

Yes. I've collected many of the indices in the Vanilla palette into groups 
that I thought could use the same colour. It's not a perfect grouping, and 
it also might depend on preferences.

 I think the current official TW color palette is crowded with colors and 
> you may have to invent your own bases
>
> That's what the groups do. One could write a theme from scratch and have 
perhaps a much shorter palette, but that itself is a big endeavour.

 By the way this Mood plugin can help to create amazing TW color palettes.
>  
>
I hope so!
 

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Re: [tw5] [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Hi Mohammad, 

Thanks for your comments!

Minor comment: Is it possible to have one or two examples one can click and 
> see! I mean for example a dark and a light sample!
> Like the one is in use when you open 
> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-moods/
>

Yes, I can do that.

Why is the $:/AdvancedSearch the default tiddler in current release?
>
> Thanks, I didn't realise I'd overwritten my demo with one I'd been playing 
with.

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Hi Birthe,

Thanks for playing with it!

I think it could be useful and that we can learn from it too. It is not so 
> easy to make colours work well together and al that. 
>
> Yes! I am much more comfortable with the whole Vanilla palette than I used 
to be, but when I went to make a new palette I thought it would be easier 
if I wrote a tool first! And I am not a developer... 

Jeremy's colour wheel idea would help with this. It's a general problem for 
any web page or app.

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

[clutterstack]

Oh, and thanks for trying it, David.

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:16:28 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Feedback: Cool! Fun! Other feedback: would be easier to use if sidebar 
> stuff was all together and tiddler stuff was all together.
>
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
>> you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
>> "mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
>> colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
>> Vanilla are incorporated.
>>
>> Moods plugin demo <https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-moods/>
>>
>> I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
>> which ways it's broken for others!
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Hi David,

Yes, I noticed it's sorting the entries and they don't go together. I need 
to look at that.

I also feel as though there are either too many or not enough adjustable 
groupings. One could imagine those grouping decisions being part of theme 
building.
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:16:28 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Feedback: Cool! Fun! Other feedback: would be easier to use if sidebar 
> stuff was all together and tiddler stuff was all together.
>
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
>> you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
>> "mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
>> colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
>> Vanilla are incorporated.
>>
>> Moods plugin demo <https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-moods/>
>>
>> I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
>> which ways it's broken for others!
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Hi Jeremy, 

Thanks! I have a lot of things to tidy up on the manipulating-palettes 
side, but I am intrigued to know more of your envisioned colour wheel. I 
can imagine something wherein you pick a base colour and a "mode" 
(triadic/complementary/analogous or something) and it shows a wheel with 
the suggestions outlined or something.  But I'm not sure I am picturing 
what you're picturing. 

Best,
Chris

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 5:30:54 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Hi Chris
>
> This is excellent, I do encourage you to continue with it. I'd love to 
> have an integrated colour wheel to make it easier to select colour 
> relationships like complementary, triadic, etc. I'm keen to add filter 
> operators to perform colour manipulations like darken/lighten, rotate hue 
> etc, which might make that sort of thing a bit easier.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 10 Mar 2021, at 22:07, clutterstack  wrote:
>
> Added a sidebar tab (refactoring will remove the voluble text at the top).
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 3:29:22 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
>> you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
>> "mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
>> colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
>> Vanilla are incorporated.
>>
>> Moods plugin demo <https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-moods/>
>>
>> I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
>> which ways it's broken for others!
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Added a sidebar tab (refactoring will remove the voluble text at the top).

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 3:29:22 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
> you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
> "mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
> colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
> Vanilla are incorporated.
>
> Moods plugin demo <https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-moods/>
>
> I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
> which ways it's broken for others!
>
> Best,
> Chris
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[tw5] [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

[clutterstack]

Hi all,

I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
"mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
Vanilla are incorporated.

Moods plugin demo 

I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
which ways it's broken for others!

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: Draggable question

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Like

<$list filter="[tag[$:/giffmex/SidebarYes]]" draggable="yes" 
variable="listitem"><$transclude tiddler=<> field="text" 
mode="block"/>

I haven't tested this.

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[tw5] Re: Draggable question

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Hi David,

There's definitely going to be a way...

You're trying to get the text field of the list item into the tiddler 
containing the list? What about using the "variable" attribute of the list 
widget and putting that as the tiddler attribute into the transclude 
widget? Then currentTiddler doesn't get messed with.

I haven't looked into how draggable lists work, so I don't know if there 
are further problems. I do know that I've made draggable clickable things 
though, so eventually you can get there.

Best,
Chris

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 5:05:57 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hmmm I seem to be asking for something to be draggable yet also able 
> to be clicked on (details element and tabs). A bit contradictory. 
>
> But doggone it, there must be a way, right? Maybe some kind of visually 
> distinguishable handle?
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 2:02:19 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> How can I do this? The snippet below does not work. I kind of knew it 
>> would before I typed it. I have a tiddler tagged $:/tags/SideBarSegment, 
>> and want it to list the items with the tag below as draggable, but their 
>> contents transcluded rather than simple links or checkboxes. 
>>
>> <$list filter="[tag[$:/giffmex/SidebarYes]]" draggable="yes"><$transclude 
>> field="text" mode="block"/>
>>
>> I tried an item template, but adding a transclude widget produced a 
>> recursion in the tiddler, since it thinks it is trancluding itself into 
>> itself. 
>>
>> I am trying to make the items in the sidebar here (
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.part.2.html) draggable.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki-on-Fission Walkthrough

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Thanks, Jeremy! I forgot about that Fission browser. That's going to be an 
important app.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> @Jeremy, is there a way to delete wikis? I'm starting to accumulate a few 
> just by looking at the app's behaviour.
>
>
> Fission has a file browser app at http://drive.fission.codes/ where you 
> can delete files.
>
> I do intend to add a delete option to TW-on-F.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:30 AM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Here’s an update on the integration work I’ve been doing between 
>> TiddlyWiki and Fission. See this thread for the background:
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/333e972b-3796-4595-bc09-af5f7dc659d4n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>>
>> The first phase of the work is about making a good experience for editing 
>> TiddlyWiki files in place within the Fission file system. That’s now mostly 
>> up and running, with some rough edges.
>>
>> One nice feature is that the app ships with a series of different 
>> editions that you can choose when creating a new wiki. At the moment, it 
>> only offers tiddlywiki.com and tiddlywiki.com/prerelease. If you’d like 
>> to contribute an edition, please let me know here with the URL of an empty 
>> file suitable for inclusion.
>>
>> I thought it was worth walking through the app to show how to get it 
>> working right from the start, including creating an account on Fission — 
>> see below.
>>
>> Please feel free to ask any questions,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> —
>>
>> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the authorise button
>> 2. You’ll be taken to Fission. Click the “Create account” button
>> 3. Enter your email address and choose a username, and click “Get started"
>> 4. At this point Firefox will ask for storage permissions
>> 5. Fission will display a confirmation page
>>
>> 6. Go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the “Authorise” 
>> button again
>> 7. Click “yes” to agree to let TiddlyWiki-on-Fission access your Fission 
>> account
>> 8. You’ll be taken back to TiddlyWiki-on-Fission. Click the “+” next to 
>> the blue folder labelled “private"
>> 9. Review the details of the new wiki. Click on an edition to select it. 
>> Click the “Create and open” button to create the wiki
>> 10. Enjoy your new wiki, saving changes as usual
>> 11. Back at https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ you can refresh and click on 
>> the “private” folder to see your new wiki
>>
>> 12. (As a point of interest, the app uses TW5’s new switchable page 
>> layout mechanism to offer a custom user interface. You can click the 
>> “Switch to TiddlyWiki user interface” button at the bottom of the page to 
>> see the TW interface. There’s a button in the sidebar for switching back)
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[tw5] Re: Breakthrough TW video (new)

[clutterstack]

Soren, I just skimmed through the video, and I find it really nicely put 
together. Lots of useful patterns you'd take a long time to accumulate 
organically. For video-centric learners this would be a gold mine.

Best,
Chris


On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 1:28:32 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Thanks Walt!
>
> Just to be clear for others, the public link to Grok TiddlyWiki doesn't 
> work yet. Hopefully we're looking at a handful of weeks until publication 
> here.
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:32:36 AM UTC-6 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> While i've learned a lot from some older videos and online docs, and of 
>> course via this discussion group, i've got to say: i resonate strongly with 
>> the frustration expressed by a fellow n00b somewhere (maybe in that long 
>> Roam-envy thread :-) about how fragmentary & scattered are the learning 
>> resources one needs to gain any considerable degree of TiddlyWiki-savvy. 
>>
>> So it is that i must send a shout-out @SorenBjornstad for this 
>> tour-de-force video that he published just a few days ago: Experience 
>> TiddlyWiki Fluency: Creating a Reading List 
>> . In fact i haven't even 
>> finished watching (clocks in at a little over 1hr runtime), it is so 
>> chock-full of tutorial tips that i had to take a break and write them all 
>> down... And pay due homage to Soren while i'm at it.  Great service the 
>> community that you've done here, mate -and moreover: this is *exactly*  
>> what the TW world needs to transcend the kinda "Cargo Cult" (not my words; 
>> 'twas JeremyR. himself who invoked the term in a recent video) such as it 
>> is, and break through to the kind of mainstream adoption that it rightly 
>> deserves.
>>
>> PS:  Must also celebrate the book- Grok TiddlyWiki 
>>  -which is my other most-valued learning 
>> resource of late;  in terms of the GUT (Grand Unified Theory) of 
>> documentation , it is something of a 
>> hybrid i would say... But the video falls squarely in the Tutorial quadrant 
>> of GUT, and is a stellar example of the artform, IMHO. 
>>
>> /walt
>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki-on-Fission Walkthrough

[clutterstack]

@Jeremy, is there a way to delete wikis? I'm starting to accumulate a few 
just by looking at the app's behaviour.

Best,
Chris

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:30 AM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Here’s an update on the integration work I’ve been doing between 
> TiddlyWiki and Fission. See this thread for the background:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/333e972b-3796-4595-bc09-af5f7dc659d4n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
>
> The first phase of the work is about making a good experience for editing 
> TiddlyWiki files in place within the Fission file system. That’s now mostly 
> up and running, with some rough edges.
>
> One nice feature is that the app ships with a series of different editions 
> that you can choose when creating a new wiki. At the moment, it only offers 
> tiddlywiki.com and tiddlywiki.com/prerelease. If you’d like to contribute 
> an edition, please let me know here with the URL of an empty file suitable 
> for inclusion.
>
> I thought it was worth walking through the app to show how to get it 
> working right from the start, including creating an account on Fission — 
> see below.
>
> Please feel free to ask any questions,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> —
>
> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the authorise button
> 2. You’ll be taken to Fission. Click the “Create account” button
> 3. Enter your email address and choose a username, and click “Get started"
> 4. At this point Firefox will ask for storage permissions
> 5. Fission will display a confirmation page
>
> 6. Go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the “Authorise” 
> button again
> 7. Click “yes” to agree to let TiddlyWiki-on-Fission access your Fission 
> account
> 8. You’ll be taken back to TiddlyWiki-on-Fission. Click the “+” next to 
> the blue folder labelled “private"
> 9. Review the details of the new wiki. Click on an edition to select it. 
> Click the “Create and open” button to create the wiki
> 10. Enjoy your new wiki, saving changes as usual
> 11. Back at https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ you can refresh and click on 
> the “private” folder to see your new wiki
>
> 12. (As a point of interest, the app uses TW5’s new switchable page layout 
> mechanism to offer a custom user interface. You can click the “Switch to 
> TiddlyWiki user interface” button at the bottom of the page to see the TW 
> interface. There’s a button in the sidebar for switching back)
>

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki-on-Fission Walkthrough

[clutterstack]

Hi Mohammad,

Oh. :( Something to do with browser settings? I don't have a better guess 
at the moment, sorry. 
On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 12:56:16 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:59 PM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> When you clicked Authorize, did it work? I had to do that today as well, 
>> but I didn't think of it as unintended behaviour.
>>
>  
> Yes It works! But after I return to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ It 
> asks me to authorize again!
>
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 12:20:00 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeremy!
>>>
>>> Congratulations! 
>>>
>>> I created an account two days ago and now I return to open my wikis
>>> But it stops at the sign in page! It accepts my username!
>>>
>>> If I go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ there is nothing and I 
>>> have to click on Authorize again!
>>>
>>>
>>> System:
>>> Windows 10, Chrome 89
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:06 PM Jeremy Ruston  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here’s an update on the integration work I’ve been doing between 
>>>> TiddlyWiki and Fission. See this thread for the background:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/333e972b-3796-4595-bc09-af5f7dc659d4n%40googlegroups.com
>>>>  
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/333e972b-3796-4595-bc09-af5f7dc659d4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>
>>>>
>>>> The first phase of the work is about making a good experience for 
>>>> editing TiddlyWiki files in place within the Fission file system. That’s 
>>>> now mostly up and running, with some rough edges.
>>>>
>>>> One nice feature is that the app ships with a series of different 
>>>> editions that you can choose when creating a new wiki. At the moment, it 
>>>> only offers tiddlywiki.com and tiddlywiki.com/prerelease. If you’d 
>>>> like to contribute an edition, please let me know here with the URL of an 
>>>> empty file suitable for inclusion.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was worth walking through the app to show how to get it 
>>>> working right from the start, including creating an account on Fission — 
>>>> see below.
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to ask any questions,
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
>>>> —
>>>>
>>>> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the authorise button
>>>> 2. You’ll be taken to Fission. Click the “Create account” button
>>>> 3. Enter your email address and choose a username, and click “Get 
>>>> started"
>>>> 4. At this point Firefox will ask for storage permissions
>>>> 5. Fission will display a confirmation page
>>>>
>>>> 6. Go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the 
>>>> “Authorise” button again
>>>> 7. Click “yes” to agree to let TiddlyWiki-on-Fission access your 
>>>> Fission account
>>>> 8. You’ll be taken back to TiddlyWiki-on-Fission. Click the “+” next to 
>>>> the blue folder labelled “private"
>>>> 9. Review the details of the new wiki. Click on an edition to select 
>>>> it. Click the “Create and open” button to create the wiki
>>>> 10. Enjoy your new wiki, saving changes as usual
>>>> 11. Back at https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ you can refresh and click 
>>>> on the “private” folder to see your new wiki
>>>>
>>>> 12. (As a point of interest, the app uses TW5’s new switchable page 
>>>> layout mechanism to offer a custom user interface. You can click the 
>>>> “Switch to TiddlyWiki user interface” button at the bottom of the page to 
>>>> see the TW interface. There’s a button in the sidebar for switching back)
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki-on-Fission Walkthrough

[clutterstack]

This is very neat, Jeremy! And an interesting avenue for lowering barriers 
to entry.

One thing I'd warn people about is that (for me, anyway) there's some 
slightly confusing behaviour at the moment:

* new wikis only show up in the filesystem browser on the app page after a 
refresh of the app page
* new wikis only show up in the filesystem browser once they've been saved 
(checkmark button)
* if I create a new wiki, change it, save it, and accidentally hit "back" 
on my browser (which I did the first time I tried the app, by hitting my 
trackpad wrong), there's a blank white screen. Hit forward, and I get the 
wiki without my changes. Wait a few seconds and reload, and my changes 
appear.

When I tried all this at first, I thought I wasn't creating wikis and that 
I was losing my changes. Neither of those things was true.

The other thing that confused me at first is that Fission is storing their 
stuff in local storage in the browser -- when you authorise Fission to 
store data there, it's not just an authentication key, it seems to be all 
the data for the account. This means that the new wikis belong to the app 
(though I haven't checked out the export possibilities) and you won't find 
them on your computer filesystem.

Best,
Chris
On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:30 AM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Here’s an update on the integration work I’ve been doing between 
> TiddlyWiki and Fission. See this thread for the background:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/333e972b-3796-4595-bc09-af5f7dc659d4n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
>
> The first phase of the work is about making a good experience for editing 
> TiddlyWiki files in place within the Fission file system. That’s now mostly 
> up and running, with some rough edges.
>
> One nice feature is that the app ships with a series of different editions 
> that you can choose when creating a new wiki. At the moment, it only offers 
> tiddlywiki.com and tiddlywiki.com/prerelease. If you’d like to contribute 
> an edition, please let me know here with the URL of an empty file suitable 
> for inclusion.
>
> I thought it was worth walking through the app to show how to get it 
> working right from the start, including creating an account on Fission — 
> see below.
>
> Please feel free to ask any questions,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> —
>
> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the authorise button
> 2. You’ll be taken to Fission. Click the “Create account” button
> 3. Enter your email address and choose a username, and click “Get started"
> 4. At this point Firefox will ask for storage permissions
> 5. Fission will display a confirmation page
>
> 6. Go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the “Authorise” 
> button again
> 7. Click “yes” to agree to let TiddlyWiki-on-Fission access your Fission 
> account
> 8. You’ll be taken back to TiddlyWiki-on-Fission. Click the “+” next to 
> the blue folder labelled “private"
> 9. Review the details of the new wiki. Click on an edition to select it. 
> Click the “Create and open” button to create the wiki
> 10. Enjoy your new wiki, saving changes as usual
> 11. Back at https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ you can refresh and click on 
> the “private” folder to see your new wiki
>
> 12. (As a point of interest, the app uses TW5’s new switchable page layout 
> mechanism to offer a custom user interface. You can click the “Switch to 
> TiddlyWiki user interface” button at the bottom of the page to see the TW 
> interface. There’s a button in the sidebar for switching back)
>

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki-on-Fission Walkthrough

[clutterstack]

Mohammad,

When you clicked Authorize, did it work? I had to do that today as well, 
but I didn't think of it as unintended behaviour.

Best,
Chris

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 12:20:00 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Jeremy!
>
> Congratulations! 
>
> I created an account two days ago and now I return to open my wikis
> But it stops at the sign in page! It accepts my username!
>
> If I go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ there is nothing and I 
> have to click on Authorize again!
>
>
> System:
> Windows 10, Chrome 89
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:06 PM Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>
>> Here’s an update on the integration work I’ve been doing between 
>> TiddlyWiki and Fission. See this thread for the background:
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/333e972b-3796-4595-bc09-af5f7dc659d4n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>>
>> The first phase of the work is about making a good experience for editing 
>> TiddlyWiki files in place within the Fission file system. That’s now mostly 
>> up and running, with some rough edges.
>>
>> One nice feature is that the app ships with a series of different 
>> editions that you can choose when creating a new wiki. At the moment, it 
>> only offers tiddlywiki.com and tiddlywiki.com/prerelease. If you’d like 
>> to contribute an edition, please let me know here with the URL of an empty 
>> file suitable for inclusion.
>>
>> I thought it was worth walking through the app to show how to get it 
>> working right from the start, including creating an account on Fission — 
>> see below.
>>
>> Please feel free to ask any questions,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> —
>>
>> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the authorise button
>> 2. You’ll be taken to Fission. Click the “Create account” button
>> 3. Enter your email address and choose a username, and click “Get started"
>> 4. At this point Firefox will ask for storage permissions
>> 5. Fission will display a confirmation page
>>
>> 6. Go back to https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ and click the “Authorise” 
>> button again
>> 7. Click “yes” to agree to let TiddlyWiki-on-Fission access your Fission 
>> account
>> 8. You’ll be taken back to TiddlyWiki-on-Fission. Click the “+” next to 
>> the blue folder labelled “private"
>> 9. Review the details of the new wiki. Click on an edition to select it. 
>> Click the “Create and open” button to create the wiki
>> 10. Enjoy your new wiki, saving changes as usual
>> 11. Back at https://tiddlywiki.fission.app/ you can refresh and click on 
>> the “private” folder to see your new wiki
>>
>> 12. (As a point of interest, the app uses TW5’s new switchable page 
>> layout mechanism to offer a custom user interface. You can click the 
>> “Switch to TiddlyWiki user interface” button at the bottom of the page to 
>> see the TW interface. There’s a button in the sidebar for switching back)
>>
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[tw5] Re: For your perusal: from one convoluted mind to another?

[clutterstack]

> Time travel.  For whatever reason, that made me think of the following 
> tune to psych me up for my eventual study-for-refactoring-opportunities:  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPE9a_epmWw


Free association.

Now there's a tune that probably evokes memories of summers of youth for 
people born in quite a wide time bracket. In North America, anyway. The 
film itself dates itself pretty specifically!

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[tw5] Re: For your perusal: from one convoluted mind to another?

[clutterstack]

Hi CJ, 

It's interesting just to see a snippet of a large project, isolated just to 
share a pattern. 

Something about it feels kind of like time travel.

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just in case this kind of programming code interests you.
>
> Please find attached the related code as a PDF, highlighting the important 
> bits.  If you want to dig into the code itself, find the related Tiddler in 
> my 
> Tifoist project .
>
> I've the following search criteria for retrieving tiddlers (tagged as 
> "fact" tiddlers.)
> [image: Screenshot 2021-03-06 at 3.41.26 PM.png]
>
> There are, at the moment, seven kinds of errors checked by the filtering 
> process.
>
> "Ignore Errors" will give all fact tiddlers.
>
> "Non-Errors Only" will give all fact tiddlers that have none of the seven 
> kinds of errors.
>
> "Errors Only" will give all fact tiddlers that have one or more of the 
> kinds of errors checked.
>
> Although I'm sure I'll be refactoring my code at some point, I've had an 
> awful lot of fun putting together what I have now.
>
> A little bit of the code pasted below to entice you to delve into the 
> details???
>
> Cheers !
>
> 
>  Error Status
> <$radio tiddler=<> index="qbe_fact_status" value="Fact"> Ignore 
> Errors 
> <$radio tiddler=<> index="qbe_fact_status" value="FactOk"> 
> Non-Errors Only 
> <$radio tiddler=<> index="qbe_fact_status" value="FactErr"> 
> Errors Only 
> 
>
> 
> <$vars nSmarts=7 vSmarts={{{ 
> [get[description]then[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[a]]
>  
> [get[c1]then[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[b]] 
> [get[c1]get[pk]then[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[c]]
>  
> [get[c2]then[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[d]] 
> [get[c3]then[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[e]][get[c3]getthen[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[f]][get[c3]getthen[FactOk]else[FactErr]regexpthen[g]]
>  
> +[count[]]}}}>
>
> <$list filter="[match[Fact]then] 
> [match[FactOk]thenmatchthen] 
> [match[FactErr]then!match[0]then]">
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Reimagining the sidebar, phase two [requesting feedback]

[clutterstack]

Hi David,

> I would prefer the parallel tab ($:/.giffmex/sidebar/parallel2 
<https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.part.2.html#%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2Fsidebar%2Fparallel2>)
 
to have autocomplete, but can't figure out how to do integrate it with the 
comptext plugin.

I suspect this is one of the intended use-cases for comptext, although I am 
not familiar with it. 

Another option is to use the keyboard-driven-events macro in the core, with 
or without a dropdown. This is what the sidebar search uses. Another place 
this is used is in the editor toolbar link dropdown 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FEditorToolbar%2Flink-dropdown>
.

It's kind of involved, though. I made myself a plugin macro to make it 
simpler, but it has a million parameters (though most are optional) and I 
haven't documented it yet. I do intend to. I did write a couple of tutorials 
<https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#Demonstration%3A%20keyboard-driven-input%20Macro:%5B%5BDemonstration%3A%20keyboard-driven-input%20Macro%5D%5D%20%5B%5BDemonstration%3A%20A%20Selector%20with%20Dropdown%20using%20Keyboard%20Input%5D%5D>
 
as I worked through how keyboard-driven-input works, and how to put a 
dropdown selector with it. Note that the first tutorial doesn't show how to 
do anything with the selected search result (which is just a matter of 
defining actions to pass as parameters to the keyboard-driven-input macro), 
just how the guts of the macro work with its state tiddlers. 

Best,
Chris



On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 2:42:09 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Dave
> You may also use the LeftBar by Mat (TWaddle) for displaying the toggle 
> buttons
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:09 PM Mohammad Rahmani  
> wrote:
>
>> Dave
>>
>>1. The button should really go on the right, where the sidebar is. 
>>But if I put it there, the dropdown goes off the screen to the right.
>>
>> Why not use a page control button?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 10:55 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>>> Just updated the dropdown slightly. Instead of individual checkboxes, it 
>>> is now a list with a filter based on a tag. That way it will be easier for 
>>> people to create and share custom sidebar segments and custom tab groups.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> Please give feedback or help for the file linked below. Explanation is 
>>>> at that file.
>>>>
>>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.part.2.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Connected papers

[clutterstack]

Connected to arXiv too! I wonder how good it is. I've definitely wondered 
about something like that for literature searches and exploration.

Best,
Chris

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Seems connected notes and links/backlinks are not limited to note taking 
> apps. See how they are used here for scientific research
>
> https://www.connectedpapers.com/
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: HackSearch - Find that shadowtid!

[clutterstack]

Nice, Mat! This looks useful and usable!

Best,
Chris

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:43:00 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> oh, and added to toolmap, of course
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 4:57:30 PM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>
>> *The rent is too damn high!*
>> *And that shadow tiddler is too damn hard to find!*
>>
>> Let TWaddle Labs cast light on your shadowy tiddlers with
>>
>> HackSearch 
>> ~ Find that shadowtid! ~ 
>>
>>
>> HackSearch is a plugin for people who hack TW.
>> It adds a tab in the AdvancedSearch tiddler.
>> Therein, various system tiddlers are categorized and linked to.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Sidebar redesign idea

[clutterstack]

David,

I like it on my screen. I don't have strong feelings about it in general, 
but my first impression is that Control Panel access through the sidebar 
may be more intuitive than opening it in the story. That is affected by the 
sidebar width, of course. Then, given that you're putting more config stuff 
in the sidebar, it starts to make sense to have a hierarchy of tabs, and 
the Tools tab fits right in with the other Setup tabs -- except that 
occasionally it is useful as a collection of buttons I don't use a lot. 
That's the problem with a hierarchy...and not a specific problem with this 
idea.

I guess the Work tab would be filled with whatever the author likes to have 
one click away.

I think this is an interesting idea that caters for both newer TW admins 
and for wikis that have a separation between author and user, which are 
both good angles to explore.

Best,
Chris

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 3:51:26 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Oh and I am not trying to be conceited by my adding of my Toggle tab. Just 
> thinking that some of those items could be in those two areas...
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 2:50:30 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Don't know what got into me. Just an idea to reorganize the tabs 
>> conceptually and move the control panel items into the tabs. This is just 
>> slapped together and is not done properly. More like a proof of concept 
>> than an actual thing. Looking for feedback more on the choices made rather 
>> than the behind the scenes execution.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.html
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

[clutterstack]

I've updated the demo with "version 0.1.2" of my showmacrodef plugin, which 
is still not finished, just improved (I hope). Fixing the duplicate entries 
was trivial (missed out a unique[] operator in a filter).

To speed things up and make them look tidier, I removed the preview of 
possible source tiddlers within the dropdown. 

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:23:28 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Thanks Chris! 
>
> Wow, this is much faster! but multiple outputs of the same result!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 6:23 PM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad, I updated it sometime after 11pm EST yesterday, at the same 
>> link 
>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander>.
>>  
>> It is faster, but also lists variables multiple times, so I made a mistake 
>> with my filters. I will look at it again today and post here when I update 
>> again.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 9:03:08 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Chris,
>>>  Is there a new version? Is it in the same link?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 5:27 PM clutterstack  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. That is disappointing! 
>>>>
>>>> Did you try it after my last post here? The newer iteration is much 
>>>> faster than the first. (A peripheral lesson here is: update version 
>>>> numbers 
>>>> no matter what! I was in a rush to upload the faster version.) 
>>>>
>>>> I see my latest version is returning duplicate results in the dropdown 
>>>> though, so there's at least one major bug. Maybe it'll be fast after I fix 
>>>> that! Haha. I will look some more at this later.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for testing!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Chris
>>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 5:06:33 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>  Great to see you are improving macro-variable !
>>>>>  I tried to experiment with Sample 
>>>>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>
>>>>>  you 
>>>>> provided
>>>>>
>>>>> To reproduce
>>>>> 1. In commander Combo Search I entered \define
>>>>> 2. Commander returned 60 matches
>>>>> 3. Under the Defs tab I entered testCreate
>>>>> 4. After a while I see the dropdown returns some outputs and let me 
>>>>> choose a variable to show
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, as you wrote in your post it is pretty slow!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:06 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For Mohammad: I am still wading through the mess I made, but I made a 
>>>>>> tab for Tiddler Commander you can try here 
>>>>>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> This is *totally not ready for prime time and will probably not stay 
>>>>>> in this wiki *but I'd be interested in your feedback as to how you'd 
>>>>>> like something like this to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are two plugins at the moment, to make this work: "selector" 
>>>>>> and "showmacrodef". One gives me a macro for a dropdown selector. The 
>>>>>> other 
>>>>>> gives me a JavaScript widget and a JS macro, for displaying a variable's 
>>>>>> definition/value and a sample macrocall (if applicable), respectively, 
>>>>>> as 
>>>>>> well as a tool that makes a tab for Tiddler Commander to inspect for 
>>>>>> variable definitions within a filtered list of tiddlers. There is a 
>>>>>> tiddler 
>>>>>> that will do something similar without having Commander installed, but 
>>>>>> it's 
>>>>>&g

Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

[clutterstack]

Hi Mohammad, I updated it sometime after 11pm EST yesterday, at the same 
link 
<https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander>.
 
It is faster, but also lists variables multiple times, so I made a mistake 
with my filters. I will look at it again today and post here when I update 
again.

Best,
Chris

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 9:03:08 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Chris,
>  Is there a new version? Is it in the same link?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 5:27 PM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> Hmm. That is disappointing! 
>>
>> Did you try it after my last post here? The newer iteration is much 
>> faster than the first. (A peripheral lesson here is: update version numbers 
>> no matter what! I was in a rush to upload the faster version.) 
>>
>> I see my latest version is returning duplicate results in the dropdown 
>> though, so there's at least one major bug. Maybe it'll be fast after I fix 
>> that! Haha. I will look some more at this later.
>>
>> Thanks for testing!
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 5:06:33 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>  Great to see you are improving macro-variable !
>>>  I tried to experiment with Sample 
>>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>
>>>  you 
>>> provided
>>>
>>> To reproduce
>>> 1. In commander Combo Search I entered \define
>>> 2. Commander returned 60 matches
>>> 3. Under the Defs tab I entered testCreate
>>> 4. After a while I see the dropdown returns some outputs and let me 
>>> choose a variable to show
>>>
>>> Yes, as you wrote in your post it is pretty slow!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:06 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>>>
>>>> For Mohammad: I am still wading through the mess I made, but I made a 
>>>> tab for Tiddler Commander you can try here 
>>>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>.
>>>>  
>>>> This is *totally not ready for prime time and will probably not stay 
>>>> in this wiki *but I'd be interested in your feedback as to how you'd 
>>>> like something like this to work.
>>>>
>>>> There are two plugins at the moment, to make this work: "selector" and 
>>>> "showmacrodef". One gives me a macro for a dropdown selector. The other 
>>>> gives me a JavaScript widget and a JS macro, for displaying a variable's 
>>>> definition/value and a sample macrocall (if applicable), respectively, as 
>>>> well as a tool that makes a tab for Tiddler Commander to inspect for 
>>>> variable definitions within a filtered list of tiddlers. There is a 
>>>> tiddler 
>>>> that will do something similar without having Commander installed, but 
>>>> it's 
>>>> not finished.
>>>>
>>>> The Commander tab does something like this, starting with the 
>>>> searchfilter from the top part of the Commander UI:
>>>>
>>>> You type into the selector and it looks through those tiddlers for 
>>>> lines with "\define ", followed by something that contains the user input, 
>>>> followed by "(". From that, it rebuilds the macro name on that line. Each 
>>>> macro name it deduces from this, it lists in the dropdown as a selection 
>>>> option. 
>>>>
>>>> Once you select a macro name, it returns a list of the tiddlers that 
>>>> contain a "\define" line for that macro name. Note that it's possible for 
>>>> a 
>>>> tiddler to have a line like that, but NOT be defining anything (e.g. 
>>>> within 
>>>> a code block). To check, you choose the tiddler with a radio button, and 
>>>> the macro gives you a display.
>>>>
>>>> Here's where it checks that there's a macro definition in the selected 
>>>> tiddler: it redefines that macro using a set widget, then imports the 
>>>> variables from the candidate source tiddler. If the macro now has a 
>>>> definition, then that tid

Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

[clutterstack]

Hi Mohammad,

Hmm. That is disappointing! 

Did you try it after my last post here? The newer iteration is much faster 
than the first. (A peripheral lesson here is: update version numbers no 
matter what! I was in a rush to upload the faster version.) 

I see my latest version is returning duplicate results in the dropdown 
though, so there's at least one major bug. Maybe it'll be fast after I fix 
that! Haha. I will look some more at this later.

Thanks for testing!

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 5:06:33 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>  Great to see you are improving macro-variable !
>  I tried to experiment with Sample 
> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>
>  you 
> provided
>
> To reproduce
> 1. In commander Combo Search I entered \define
> 2. Commander returned 60 matches
> 3. Under the Defs tab I entered testCreate
> 4. After a while I see the dropdown returns some outputs and let me choose 
> a variable to show
>
> Yes, as you wrote in your post it is pretty slow!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:06 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> For Mohammad: I am still wading through the mess I made, but I made a tab 
>> for Tiddler Commander you can try here 
>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>.
>>  
>> This is *totally not ready for prime time and will probably not stay in 
>> this wiki *but I'd be interested in your feedback as to how you'd like 
>> something like this to work.
>>
>> There are two plugins at the moment, to make this work: "selector" and 
>> "showmacrodef". One gives me a macro for a dropdown selector. The other 
>> gives me a JavaScript widget and a JS macro, for displaying a variable's 
>> definition/value and a sample macrocall (if applicable), respectively, as 
>> well as a tool that makes a tab for Tiddler Commander to inspect for 
>> variable definitions within a filtered list of tiddlers. There is a tiddler 
>> that will do something similar without having Commander installed, but it's 
>> not finished.
>>
>> The Commander tab does something like this, starting with the 
>> searchfilter from the top part of the Commander UI:
>>
>> You type into the selector and it looks through those tiddlers for lines 
>> with "\define ", followed by something that contains the user input, 
>> followed by "(". From that, it rebuilds the macro name on that line. Each 
>> macro name it deduces from this, it lists in the dropdown as a selection 
>> option. 
>>
>> Once you select a macro name, it returns a list of the tiddlers that 
>> contain a "\define" line for that macro name. Note that it's possible for a 
>> tiddler to have a line like that, but NOT be defining anything (e.g. within 
>> a code block). To check, you choose the tiddler with a radio button, and 
>> the macro gives you a display.
>>
>> Here's where it checks that there's a macro definition in the selected 
>> tiddler: it redefines that macro using a set widget, then imports the 
>> variables from the candidate source tiddler. If the macro now has a 
>> definition, then that tiddler had a real definition in it, and this is 
>> displayed using the aforementioned JS widget.
>>
>> I note that the filter in the dropdown interface is pretty slow. Right 
>> now it's showing all candidate source tiddlers in the dropdown...maybe not 
>> a good tradeoff performance- and space-wise.
>>
>> Any feedback welcome.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 11:27:10 AM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, David.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 6:09:13 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Added this to the toolmap, both in the "Understanding TiddlyWiki" 
>>>> section and the "Advanced / developer" section
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 2:17:25 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was playing with dropdowns and...things...and I built something that 
>>>>> I wished I had last summer, and which will help me keep track of current 
>>>>> variable and macro definitions/values. 
>>>>>
>>>>> A first version to play with is at 
>>>

[tw5] Re: [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

[clutterstack]

I did some prefiltering and this seems to have sped things up by about a 
factor of 4-5 (counting seconds in my head, using [all[tiddlers+shadows]] 
as input and typing one letter into the search).

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:36:32 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> For Mohammad: I am still wading through the mess I made, but I made a tab 
> for Tiddler Commander you can try here 
> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>.
>  
> This is *totally not ready for prime time and will probably not stay in 
> this wiki *but I'd be interested in your feedback as to how you'd like 
> something like this to work.
>
> There are two plugins at the moment, to make this work: "selector" and 
> "showmacrodef". One gives me a macro for a dropdown selector. The other 
> gives me a JavaScript widget and a JS macro, for displaying a variable's 
> definition/value and a sample macrocall (if applicable), respectively, as 
> well as a tool that makes a tab for Tiddler Commander to inspect for 
> variable definitions within a filtered list of tiddlers. There is a tiddler 
> that will do something similar without having Commander installed, but it's 
> not finished.
>
> The Commander tab does something like this, starting with the searchfilter 
> from the top part of the Commander UI:
>
> You type into the selector and it looks through those tiddlers for lines 
> with "\define ", followed by something that contains the user input, 
> followed by "(". From that, it rebuilds the macro name on that line. Each 
> macro name it deduces from this, it lists in the dropdown as a selection 
> option. 
>
> Once you select a macro name, it returns a list of the tiddlers that 
> contain a "\define" line for that macro name. Note that it's possible for a 
> tiddler to have a line like that, but NOT be defining anything (e.g. within 
> a code block). To check, you choose the tiddler with a radio button, and 
> the macro gives you a display.
>
> Here's where it checks that there's a macro definition in the selected 
> tiddler: it redefines that macro using a set widget, then imports the 
> variables from the candidate source tiddler. If the macro now has a 
> definition, then that tiddler had a real definition in it, and this is 
> displayed using the aforementioned JS widget.
>
> I note that the filter in the dropdown interface is pretty slow. Right now 
> it's showing all candidate source tiddlers in the dropdown...maybe not a 
> good tradeoff performance- and space-wise.
>
> Any feedback welcome.
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 11:27:10 AM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Thanks, David.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 6:09:13 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Added this to the toolmap, both in the "Understanding TiddlyWiki" 
>>> section and the "Advanced / developer" section
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 2:17:25 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was playing with dropdowns and...things...and I built something that 
>>>> I wished I had last summer, and which will help me keep track of current 
>>>> variable and macro definitions/values. 
>>>>
>>>> A first version to play with is at 
>>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#Inspect%20variable%20and%20macro%20definitions
>>>>
>>>> It's not perfect, but I'm kind of pleased. Also not documented or 
>>>> packaged.
>>>>
>>>> I ended up writing two javascript macros to access variables and their 
>>>> properties -- if I could have done this using filters, I'd love to know 
>>>> what I missed! I didn't just want to search tiddlers for "\define" etc, 
>>>> because sometimes I put that stuff in code blocks as content.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if there was a pre-existing public solution for this, I'd also 
>>>> like to see it. There must be a few out there, at least in private wikis.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

[clutterstack]

For Mohammad: I am still wading through the mess I made, but I made a tab 
for Tiddler Commander you can try here 
<https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#%24%3A%2FCommander:%24%3A%2FCommander%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fshowmacrodef%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fcan%2Fselector>.
 
This is *totally not ready for prime time and will probably not stay in 
this wiki *but I'd be interested in your feedback as to how you'd like 
something like this to work.

There are two plugins at the moment, to make this work: "selector" and 
"showmacrodef". One gives me a macro for a dropdown selector. The other 
gives me a JavaScript widget and a JS macro, for displaying a variable's 
definition/value and a sample macrocall (if applicable), respectively, as 
well as a tool that makes a tab for Tiddler Commander to inspect for 
variable definitions within a filtered list of tiddlers. There is a tiddler 
that will do something similar without having Commander installed, but it's 
not finished.

The Commander tab does something like this, starting with the searchfilter 
from the top part of the Commander UI:

You type into the selector and it looks through those tiddlers for lines 
with "\define ", followed by something that contains the user input, 
followed by "(". From that, it rebuilds the macro name on that line. Each 
macro name it deduces from this, it lists in the dropdown as a selection 
option. 

Once you select a macro name, it returns a list of the tiddlers that 
contain a "\define" line for that macro name. Note that it's possible for a 
tiddler to have a line like that, but NOT be defining anything (e.g. within 
a code block). To check, you choose the tiddler with a radio button, and 
the macro gives you a display.

Here's where it checks that there's a macro definition in the selected 
tiddler: it redefines that macro using a set widget, then imports the 
variables from the candidate source tiddler. If the macro now has a 
definition, then that tiddler had a real definition in it, and this is 
displayed using the aforementioned JS widget.

I note that the filter in the dropdown interface is pretty slow. Right now 
it's showing all candidate source tiddlers in the dropdown...maybe not a 
good tradeoff performance- and space-wise.

Any feedback welcome.

Best,
Chris

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 11:27:10 AM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> Thanks, David.
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 6:09:13 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Added this to the toolmap, both in the "Understanding TiddlyWiki" section 
>> and the "Advanced / developer" section
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 2:17:25 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was playing with dropdowns and...things...and I built something that I 
>>> wished I had last summer, and which will help me keep track of current 
>>> variable and macro definitions/values. 
>>>
>>> A first version to play with is at 
>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#Inspect%20variable%20and%20macro%20definitions
>>>
>>> It's not perfect, but I'm kind of pleased. Also not documented or 
>>> packaged.
>>>
>>> I ended up writing two javascript macros to access variables and their 
>>> properties -- if I could have done this using filters, I'd love to know 
>>> what I missed! I didn't just want to search tiddlers for "\define" etc, 
>>> because sometimes I put that stuff in code blocks as content.
>>>
>>> Also, if there was a pre-existing public solution for this, I'd also 
>>> like to see it. There must be a few out there, at least in private wikis.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Reminder: 2click2edit - Convert to Triple Click

[clutterstack]

Thanks for that reminder, Diego. I disabled the plugin a while back and 
have been putting off converting it. Now I have that wrinkle fixed! That 
will be much nicer.

Cheers,
Chris

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 10:35:06 AM UTC-5 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you so much for your clear instruction. It works wonder.
>
> Birthe
>
> tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 16.19.59 UTC+1 skrev dieg...@gmail.com:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I originally posted about this here 
>> , 
>> but thought it was worth sharing again. You can easily edit Danielo's 
>> excellent 2click2edit plugin to make it triple-click to edit by doing the 
>> following:
>>
>>
>> If you just navigate to and edit this tiddler: 
>>
>> $:/plugins/danielo515/2click2edit/ClickListener.js
>>
>> go to line 36 which reads: 
>>
>> parent.addEventListener("dblclick",function(event){self.editTiddler.call(
>> self,event)});
>>
>> *REPLACE* that line with the following text:
>>
>> parent.addEventListener('click', function (event) { if (event.detail === 
>> 3) {self.editTiddler.call(self,event);} });
>>
>> Save that tiddler, and save/reload your wiki - you now have triple click 
>> instead of double click. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Diego
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

[clutterstack]

Thanks, David.

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 6:09:13 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Added this to the toolmap, both in the "Understanding TiddlyWiki" section 
> and the "Advanced / developer" section
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 2:17:25 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was playing with dropdowns and...things...and I built something that I 
>> wished I had last summer, and which will help me keep track of current 
>> variable and macro definitions/values. 
>>
>> A first version to play with is at 
>> https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#Inspect%20variable%20and%20macro%20definitions
>>
>> It's not perfect, but I'm kind of pleased. Also not documented or 
>> packaged.
>>
>> I ended up writing two javascript macros to access variables and their 
>> properties -- if I could have done this using filters, I'd love to know 
>> what I missed! I didn't just want to search tiddlers for "\define" etc, 
>> because sometimes I put that stuff in code blocks as content.
>>
>> Also, if there was a pre-existing public solution for this, I'd also like 
>> to see it. There must be a few out there, at least in private wikis.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

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Mohammad,

Haha, sorry for not making sure to reference solutions you've already 
released! I have tried out the *find* macro, which is a very neat tool. I 
was tired when I replied, and Mat's post was the thing I remembered first, 
because it was the first one I saw when I started to want to look at the 
source of macros a lot.

I am still running into formatting issues trying to make codeblocks with a 
combination of JS and WikiText, so I am replacing one of my JS macros with 
a widget.

...I am trying to make a wiki to use, not a plugin, but I keep opening 
parentheses...

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 10:54:18 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Worth also to refere to 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Rx7RHqB-LbY/m/qY8rfuveAgAJ
>
> The find macro! 
>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

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Hi Mohammad,

Thanks for checking it out. To your points:

1. I thought this looked tricky, but I guess by importing variables from 
each candidate tiddler in turn, we can examine non-global macros in the 
same way. Local macros will often have non-unique names, so that would have 
to be taken into account.

In practical terms, Mat's solution shared here (
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/NgFPRM1fFCw) works pretty well for 
finding local macros and linking to their source tiddlers, and is a lot 
simpler.

2. This should be possible...it's all just filters, except the two 
JavaScript macros that find out what TiddlyWiki considers the definition 
text of a macro to be, and what its parameter names and defaults are.

Best,
Chris
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:51:10 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> Inspect is a very useful addition both for developers and users.
>
> Few suggestions (ignore them if not relevant)
>
> 1. find macros in tiddlers not tagged with $:/tags/Macro (e.g. non-global 
> variable). For example I can search in all tiddlers tagged with 
> $:/tags/Macro/Commander
> 2. limit the search to a plugin or filtered list only  
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:47 PM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was playing with dropdowns and...things...and I built something that I 
>> wished I had last summer, and which will help me keep track of current 
>> variable and macro definitions/values. 
>>
>> A first version to play with is at 
>> https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#Inspect%20variable%20and%20macro%20definitions
>>
>> It's not perfect, but I'm kind of pleased. Also not documented or 
>> packaged.
>>
>> I ended up writing two javascript macros to access variables and their 
>> properties -- if I could have done this using filters, I'd love to know 
>> what I missed! I didn't just want to search tiddlers for "\define" etc, 
>> because sometimes I put that stuff in code blocks as content.
>>
>> Also, if there was a pre-existing public solution for this, I'd also like 
>> to see it. There must be a few out there, at least in private wikis.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
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[tw5] [Demo] Inspect macro definitions

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Hi all,

I was playing with dropdowns and...things...and I built something that I 
wished I had last summer, and which will help me keep track of current 
variable and macro definitions/values. 

A first version to play with is at 
https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/clutterstack-TW5-com/#Inspect%20variable%20and%20macro%20definitions

It's not perfect, but I'm kind of pleased. Also not documented or packaged.

I ended up writing two javascript macros to access variables and their 
properties -- if I could have done this using filters, I'd love to know 
what I missed! I didn't just want to search tiddlers for "\define" etc, 
because sometimes I put that stuff in code blocks as content.

Also, if there was a pre-existing public solution for this, I'd also like 
to see it. There must be a few out there, at least in private wikis.

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: How to make a keyboard shortcut for line breaks?

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Hi Peter, 

At first guess, it looks as though you may be using standard WikiText (the 
default in TiddlyWiki), rather than Markdown? 

In this case, the triple-double-quote delimiters would be the syntax you 
want for hard linebreaks (or if you want Markdown-like syntax just for 
linebreaks, Mario's plugin). Mario's long link 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText:%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%20-%20Example%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%5D%5D
brings up the relevant TiddlyWiki docs for that.

Quick excerpt from Hard Linebreaks in WikiText 
:

""" 
This is a line 
and this is a new line 
while this is yet another line 
and this is the final one 
apart from this one 
"""

Hope that helps,

Chris
On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 10:44:21 AM UTC-5 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> hi mario, 
>
> thanks for the very quick reply!  Of course, I would like to stay with the 
> standard :-). However, the first option does not work in my wiki, I just 
> downloaded an new empty.html TW wiki to test, and it does not work there 
> either, unfortunately. Entering "" works fine but is simply tool long 
> if used often and clutters the text. See screenshot. Any configurations I 
> missed out? I am working on a Win 10 machine.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> PMario schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Februar 2021 um 16:31:05 UTC+1:
>
>> Hi,
>> If you use markdown, you should use the markdown standard, which is 
>> defined as 
>>
>> So just put 2 spaces at the end of the line and it will create a 
>> hard-linebreak
>>
>> If you want to do the same with TW syntax see:
>>
>>  - 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText:%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%20-%20Example%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%5D%5D
>>
>> Or you can use my space-space-newline plugin. It works the same way as MD 
>> syntax.
>>
>>  - https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/space-space-newline/
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Issue: Error downloading file message

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Hi Emily,

Sorry, I haven't got any experience with using GDrive for hosting TW. Maybe 
someone more knowledgeable on that will come along.

Best,
Chris

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 6:42:37 PM UTC-5 ewhite...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am using my google drive to save the file, and I haven't changed any of 
> the setup, and trialed it on different computers to check.
>
> Best,
>
> Emily
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:35 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> Which method do you use to save? There are so many ways of saving 
>> TiddlyWiki that this is the first thing to know.
>>
>> Googling for your error message, I get mainly Dropbox-related hits. 
>> Looking at the Dropbox forum, I wonder whether you've changed anything 
>> about your browser setup, network setup, or adblockers (that's if you are 
>> indeed using Dropbox).
>>
>> I don't use Dropbox for anything, so this is just a guess, but that's 
>> where I would start looking.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 5:48:14 AM UTC-5 ewhite...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using Tiddly wiki for over a year with no issues, however 
>>> when I now download the file, I get an error page stating 'There was an 
>>> error downloading the file'
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Some TiddlyWiki programming fun: Acey Ducey

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Haha, cute! I guess you already said you had fine-tuning to do. I noticed 
that the first round always seems to be the same, and also that if I bet 
all $100 in the first round (and lose it), the bet slider goes to zero by 
itself, but the bet value stays at $100.

Still already a nice demonstration.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 6:13:42 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:

> Very cool! 
>
>
> On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 21:32:21 UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I still have some fine-tuning to do, and might do some refactoring to 
>> improve the code.
>>
>> Good enough, though, for playing with:  
>>
>> The Acey Ducey Card Game à la TiddlyWiki 
>> 
>>
>> Cheers !
>>
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[tw5] Re: why do we have `butlast` instead of `!last`?

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I haven't paid a lot of attention to which operators can be negated and 
why, but if it seems more elegant, you can use *first[-1] *instead of 
*butlast[]*... 

It seems clear there are some operators retained only for backward 
compatibility. *butlast* also has synonyms *bf* and *rest*.

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 1:29:22 AM UTC-5 RA wrote:

>
> Today I needed a filter to return everything but the last title, and first 
> thing I thought of was to use `!last[]`, but... there is only `butlast[]`. 
> Am I not seeing something, or is this illogically inconsistent?
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[tw5] Re: Issue: Error downloading file message

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Hi, 

Which method do you use to save? There are so many ways of saving 
TiddlyWiki that this is the first thing to know.

Googling for your error message, I get mainly Dropbox-related hits. Looking 
at the Dropbox forum, I wonder whether you've changed anything about your 
browser setup, network setup, or adblockers (that's if you are indeed using 
Dropbox).

I don't use Dropbox for anything, so this is just a guess, but that's where 
I would start looking.

Best,
Chris
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wrote:

> I have been using Tiddly wiki for over a year with no issues, however when 
> I now download the file, I get an error page stating 'There was an error 
> downloading the file'
>
> Any ideas?
>

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Re: [tw5] [tutorial] Notes on the keyboard-driven-input macro

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Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll have a go at an appropriate version for 
a PR.

Best,
Chris
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 12:17:26 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Hi Chris
>
> This is great, I think it would be helpful to add it to tiddlywiki.com 
> (perhaps without the sliders for consistency). Would you be able to prepare 
> a PR?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
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> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 2 Feb 2021, at 20:21, clutterstack  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I was interested in building a tool to select a tiddler from a dropdown, 
> or to create a new one using a text input element if desired (much like the 
> tag picker). I quickly discovered that this is quite involved, but that a 
> lot of the work is encapsulated in the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>
> I didn't find it trivial to wrap my head around it, so I tried to make the 
> simplest functioning thing I could make with this macro, and wrote up the 
> process on my workshop wiki here: Exploring the keyboard-driven-input 
> macro 
> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/workshop/#Exploring%20the%20keyboard-driven-input%20macro>
>
> Comments welcome; otherwise I hope this helps someone down the road.
>
> Best,
> Chris
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[tw5] Re: [tutorial] Notes on the keyboard-driven-input macro

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Thanks for looking and kind comments, Tones and coda.

Tones, the reason I didn't include the dropdown stuff was that I haven't 
got that far yet! I agree that this is (probably, unless I'm being 
unimaginative) what most use-cases would call for.

Coda, I see bits of the search repurposed in other macros as well, but 
haven't followed all the threads. There's an interesting exploration to be 
done there, which I hope to have time to do at some point.

Best,
Chris

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:51:49 AM UTC-5 coda coder wrote:

> Thanks Chris.
>
> It just so happened that yesterday I "fixed" an extension I'd made to the 
> TW Search field (which no longer worked as expected in 23) and discovered 
> much the same. For a given grouping of tiddlers, I want to search their 
> subtitle fields rather than title/text so I soon bumped into userInput, 
> first-search-filter et al... (Got it working by creating another tiddler 
> tagged $:/tags/SearchResults and a search-filter field containing a 
> filter for subtitle)
>
> But your expose' goes much further. Great documentation and Good job!
>
> I hope that wiki and tiddler stay around - I'm linking to it! :)
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I was interested in building a tool to select a tiddler from a dropdown, 
>> or to create a new one using a text input element if desired (much like the 
>> tag picker). I quickly discovered that this is quite involved, but that a 
>> lot of the work is encapsulated in the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>>
>> I didn't find it trivial to wrap my head around it, so I tried to make 
>> the simplest functioning thing I could make with this macro, and wrote up 
>> the process on my workshop wiki here: Exploring the 
>> keyboard-driven-input macro 
>> <https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/workshop/#Exploring%20the%20keyboard-driven-input%20macro>
>>
>> Comments welcome; otherwise I hope this helps someone down the road.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
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[tw5] Re: [Update] Tamasha Presentation Plugin

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I don't have any presentations to make, but I just want to cheer you on.
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:42:45 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> I would like to announce the new experimental release of Tamasha plugin.
>
> *Code and demo*
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Tamasha
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Tamasha
>
> This beta release has some new features
>
> *Release 0.4.3*
> Feb 2nd, 2021
> [NEW] Experimental font size using linear scaling based on vh
> [NEW] kimia theme which hides slide number and nav buttons and uses 
> default Tiddlywiki default setting
> [NEW] classes to hide UI elements (slide number, nav buttons, progress bar)
>
> The size kept around 34Kb as of the previous update.
>
> *Please contribute with your feedback*
> There are some ongoing experiments on automatic font scaling based on the 
> screen size. I like people who have access to big screens, especially a 
> video projector (which can create a big picture around 2m x 2m) give a try 
> and send me their feedback on the font size, readability and overflow. The 
> feedback can be posted here or preferably to  
> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Tamasha 
> On the other end, feedback from the small screens is welcome.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] [tutorial] Notes on the keyboard-driven-input macro

[clutterstack]

Hi all, 

I was interested in building a tool to select a tiddler from a dropdown, or 
to create a new one using a text input element if desired (much like the 
tag picker). I quickly discovered that this is quite involved, but that a 
lot of the work is encapsulated in the keyboard-driven-input macro.

I didn't find it trivial to wrap my head around it, so I tried to make the 
simplest functioning thing I could make with this macro, and wrote up the 
process on my workshop wiki here: Exploring the keyboard-driven-input macro 


Comments welcome; otherwise I hope this helps someone down the road.

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard widget

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Hi Tones,

To test, I made one to pop up HelloThere in a modal, by following the 
directions in the Keyboard Shortcut Tiddler tiddler. 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#Keyboard%20Shortcut%20Tiddler>

Overview: I had to create two tiddlers, then go into Control Panel -> 
Keyboard Shortcuts to set the key combination for the shortcut.

I called my shortcut "canscut".

First I made a tiddler with an arbitrary title, whose text field contains 
the action I want the shortcut to invoke; in this case:

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-modal" $param="HelloThere" />

I added a field with name key and value ((canscut)), and tagged it 
$:/tags/KeyboardShortcut. That takes care of setting up the actions and the 
reference key so the shortcut can be referred to in macros without being 
opinionated on what its specific key combo should be.

Then I created the tiddler $:/config/ShortcutInfo/canscut -- I didn't have 
to put anything into it; that's enough to add a row into the appropriate 
part of Control Panel -> Keyboard Shortcuts, so that the key combo can be 
set interactively. Once I used that interface to set the key combination, 
the tiddler $:/config/shortcuts/canscut was generated with shift-cmd-G in 
the text field.

And voila, now if I hit shift-cmd-G, I get the HelloThere tiddler in a 
modal.

Hope that helps,
Chris
On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 8:24:56 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> Have you found a easy to use way to create your own global shortcuts?
>
> I found a few times trying to understand the keyboard shortcuts some gaps 
> in the doco. First I would like to understand, then update the doco.
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 12:12:03 UTC+11 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Haha, I'm just looking at the source for the keyboard-driven-input macro 
>> and it has five nested keyboard widgets, so I venture a guess that 
>> there's not an obviously better way just now.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 7:56:55 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Tones,
>>>
>>> I had another look at the global keyboard shortcuts, and I haven't tried 
>>> it, but the presence of duplicate key combinations in the shortcut list 
>>> does make me hopeful that I might be able to just add more duplicate global 
>>> shortcuts and have them work appropriately with a macro that only works 
>>> under, as you say, given conditions. It does sound like something that 
>>> could require careful thought to avoid conflict. But definitely something 
>>> to think about!
>>>
>>> For now, I think I'll leave my nested keyboard widgets in place, since 
>>> they work and haven't caused me any grief, unless it's through a 
>>> performance hit. I certainly have other optimisations I can focus on!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 4:58:22 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clutterstack,
>>>>
>>>> I am no expert in keyboard shortcuts for sure, but with 5.1.23 we can 
>>>> now use the modifier keys, so alt- shift- ctrl- can be interrogated in the 
>>>> actions macro if appropriate you can then use one key, 3-4 modifier keys 
>>>> so 
>>>> perhaps a global short cut that responds to conditions and modifier keys 
>>>> is 
>>>> another approach.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tones
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 24 January 2021 at 15:02:39 UTC+11 clutterstack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have, in some of my macros, three nested keyboard widgets to listen 
>>>>> for three different key combinations. I'm just wondering whether this is 
>>>>> the best way to accomplish that. I don't think I want to assign keyboard 
>>>>> shortcuts for the whole wiki, because I may want different actions for 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> same key or key combination, based on the event target.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard widget

[clutterstack]

Haha, I'm just looking at the source for the keyboard-driven-input macro 
and it has five nested keyboard widgets, so I venture a guess that there's 
not an obviously better way just now.

Best,
Chris

On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 7:56:55 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> Thanks Tones,
>
> I had another look at the global keyboard shortcuts, and I haven't tried 
> it, but the presence of duplicate key combinations in the shortcut list 
> does make me hopeful that I might be able to just add more duplicate global 
> shortcuts and have them work appropriately with a macro that only works 
> under, as you say, given conditions. It does sound like something that 
> could require careful thought to avoid conflict. But definitely something 
> to think about!
>
> For now, I think I'll leave my nested keyboard widgets in place, since 
> they work and haven't caused me any grief, unless it's through a 
> performance hit. I certainly have other optimisations I can focus on!
>
> Best,
> Chris
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 4:58:22 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Clutterstack,
>>
>> I am no expert in keyboard shortcuts for sure, but with 5.1.23 we can now 
>> use the modifier keys, so alt- shift- ctrl- can be interrogated in the 
>> actions macro if appropriate you can then use one key, 3-4 modifier keys so 
>> perhaps a global short cut that responds to conditions and modifier keys is 
>> another approach.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> On Sunday, 24 January 2021 at 15:02:39 UTC+11 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have, in some of my macros, three nested keyboard widgets to listen 
>>> for three different key combinations. I'm just wondering whether this is 
>>> the best way to accomplish that. I don't think I want to assign keyboard 
>>> shortcuts for the whole wiki, because I may want different actions for the 
>>> same key or key combination, based on the event target.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard widget

[clutterstack]

Thanks Tones,

I had another look at the global keyboard shortcuts, and I haven't tried 
it, but the presence of duplicate key combinations in the shortcut list 
does make me hopeful that I might be able to just add more duplicate global 
shortcuts and have them work appropriately with a macro that only works 
under, as you say, given conditions. It does sound like something that 
could require careful thought to avoid conflict. But definitely something 
to think about!

For now, I think I'll leave my nested keyboard widgets in place, since they 
work and haven't caused me any grief, unless it's through a performance 
hit. I certainly have other optimisations I can focus on!

Best,
Chris
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 4:58:22 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> Clutterstack,
>
> I am no expert in keyboard shortcuts for sure, but with 5.1.23 we can now 
> use the modifier keys, so alt- shift- ctrl- can be interrogated in the 
> actions macro if appropriate you can then use one key, 3-4 modifier keys so 
> perhaps a global short cut that responds to conditions and modifier keys is 
> another approach.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 24 January 2021 at 15:02:39 UTC+11 clutterstack wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have, in some of my macros, three nested keyboard widgets to listen for 
>> three different key combinations. I'm just wondering whether this is the 
>> best way to accomplish that. I don't think I want to assign keyboard 
>> shortcuts for the whole wiki, because I may want different actions for the 
>> same key or key combination, based on the event target.
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[clutterstack]

Beautiful, Mohammad!

On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 2:42:35 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Thank you Sylvain,
>  
> I forgot to include the KaTex plugin in the demo. It was fixed.
> You can play with font size through Tamasha themes. But please let me know 
> which font size you prefer on HD screens.
> By the way, Tamasha is not optimized for small screens. I need to add 
> required css.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 10:50 PM Sylvain Naudin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> Great to see this beta release to play with it !
>> (Just notice you talk about KaTeX plugin, but since it's not present, 
>> the slide is not rendering good).
>>
>> I don't know if it's possible (or desirable) but I would see the text a 
>> bit bigger when the resolution / display is bigger (on a 1920px the text 
>> could be a bit too small for me ; but if we can play very well with the 
>> zoom of our browser).
>>
>> Will play with it a little more soon.
>> Cheers,
>> Sylvain
>>
>> Le dimanche 24 janvier 2021 à 19:02:34 UTC+1, Mohammad a écrit :
>>
>>> The beta release of *Tamasha *is on the GitHub now! There is no 
>>> documentation yet, but there are plenty of examples.
>>> Tamasha was baked using my previous plugin TiddlyShow, but Tamasha is 
>>> small, fast and much more native when it comes to be used in a daily note 
>>> taking Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> Still there are many features to be implemented, but this beta release 
>>> is quite powerful to be used for a real presentation.
>>> Do not use it before making backup from your wikis. Use with care. This 
>>> is a beta release.
>>>
>>> For learning plugin features, syntax, tutorial and examples see the 
>>> plugin demo and code pages
>>>
>>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Tamasha/
>>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Tamasha
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your feedback on
>>>
>>> 1. usability, ease and speed
>>> 2. performance, good programming style (a developer point of view)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Note:*
>>> Tamasha works very well on big screens and small ones, by the way it was 
>>> not tested on very small screens like old mobile devices.
>>>
>>> Please star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Tamasha
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 6:55 AM Mohammad Rahmani  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tamasha is a pure wikitext (pure Tiddlywiki scripts no JS) plugin for 
 presentation and slideshow.
 The idea was taken from my older plugin Tiddlyshow (
 https://kookma.github.io/Tiddlyshow/)

 The reason to develop another presentation plugin was to have a simpler 
 and a more natural TW plugin. Tamasha is around 20kb and has many features 
 of MS Powerpoint and Google Slides and Beamer LaTeX. The other reason was 
 the increasing need of such tools for my own online classes. The lectures 
 can be distributed simply as a single or few Tiddlywiki files.

 To shine your ideas buried in tiddlers just tag them and fire your 
 presentation by calling a small macro whenever you want. A tiddler can be 
 part of several presentations.
 You can even have two or more presentations in a single tiddler just by 
 calling the presenter macro several times with different settings.

 It supports almost all Tiddlywiki features, and works with most plugins 
 and themes, e.g. KaTeX, Highlight.js, Shiraz, Streams, Todolist, Notebook, 
 Projectify, ...
 Tamasha supports templates (to customize what to display) and themes 
 (fonts, colors and fancy things,...)
 Like all commercial presentation software, it supports keyboard 
 shortcuts for navigation, ...

 I plan to add features like export a presentation to PDF, export to zip 
 file, zooming and online annotation and laser pointer, ...

 I have attached a small video to present the under development Tamasha.

 I like to *get your feedback* in advance to see what you like to have 
 in a presentation plugin. Share with me your wish list.


 Best wishes
 Mohammad

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[tw5] Keyboard widget

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Hi all,

I have, in some of my macros, three nested keyboard widgets to listen for 
three different key combinations. I'm just wondering whether this is the 
best way to accomplish that. I don't think I want to assign keyboard 
shortcuts for the whole wiki, because I may want different actions for the 
same key or key combination, based on the event target.

Am I missing something?

Best,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: White background behind tiddles.

[clutterstack]

Wow, I'm really not sure what's happening there, sorry, unless you have a 
custom stylesheet tiddler (or a plugin containing one) overriding the 
palette tiddler.

Best,
Chris
On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 7:13:48 PM UTC-5 Mark 3000 wrote:

> Page-background under the palette tiddler simply changes the background of 
> the side bar, and the tiddler. The white space does not change no matter 
> what, unless I manually adjust that tc.story-river variable that I 
> mentioned. As a matter of fact, I've experimented by changing the all of 
> the colors under palette, and exactly zero of them change that white 
> background color. I'm at a loss.
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 5:06:32 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Sorry for not checking back here. Did you figure out your problem? I 
>> think I'm missing some information on what you did to change the colour. If 
>> you changed the colour for *page-background* in the palette tiddler, I'd 
>> have thought that would do the trick.
>>
>> If you by any chance are changing css rules within developer tools in 
>> your browser, that will definitely get undone on reload. It's great for 
>> figuring out what's happening in the browser, testing rules, etc. Then you 
>> go back to your source file(s) and change what you want changed; in this 
>> case a palette tiddler in the tiddlywiki.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 12:39:57 AM UTC-5 Mark 3000 wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the help clutterstack. I managed to change the white 
>>> background to my preferred color using your suggestion. The variable for 
>>> the background color is under tc.story-river. However, if I change any of 
>>> the other colors for any other element, it automatically switches the story 
>>> river color back to white. Also, if I close the wiki and reload it, it goes 
>>> back to white. Any ideas what I should do to make the change permanent?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mark, 
>>>>
>>>> It looks to me as if that light background corresponds to 
>>>> page-background in the colour palette, but hard to tell without being able 
>>>> to use developer tools to look at the elements.
>>>>
>>>> In-browser developer tools are invaluable in figuring out which element 
>>>> is which on the page, and which css rules are being applied. I'd suggest 
>>>> checking them out if you haven't.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:52:37 PM UTC-5 Mark 3000 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a complete tiddlywiki newbie. I don't have any advanced 
>>>>> requirements or anything at this time. My only issue is that no matter 
>>>>> what 
>>>>> colors I choose inside the palette section, I always have this persistent 
>>>>> white background color behind the tiddles. See the attached image.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to create a dark/night-themed wiki, and this bright white 
>>>>> background is bugging the heck out of me. Also, a lot of fields are white 
>>>>> in color as well, and I can't figure out how to fix that either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: wikiissues.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: White background behind tiddles.

[clutterstack]

Hi Mark,

Sorry for not checking back here. Did you figure out your problem? I think 
I'm missing some information on what you did to change the colour. If you 
changed the colour for *page-background* in the palette tiddler, I'd have 
thought that would do the trick.

If you by any chance are changing css rules within developer tools in your 
browser, that will definitely get undone on reload. It's great for figuring 
out what's happening in the browser, testing rules, etc. Then you go back 
to your source file(s) and change what you want changed; in this case a 
palette tiddler in the tiddlywiki.

Best,
Chris

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 12:39:57 AM UTC-5 Mark 3000 wrote:

> Thanks for the help clutterstack. I managed to change the white background 
> to my preferred color using your suggestion. The variable for the 
> background color is under tc.story-river. However, if I change any of the 
> other colors for any other element, it automatically switches the story 
> river color back to white. Also, if I close the wiki and reload it, it goes 
> back to white. Any ideas what I should do to make the change permanent?
>
> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-7 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark, 
>>
>> It looks to me as if that light background corresponds to page-background 
>> in the colour palette, but hard to tell without being able to use developer 
>> tools to look at the elements.
>>
>> In-browser developer tools are invaluable in figuring out which element 
>> is which on the page, and which css rules are being applied. I'd suggest 
>> checking them out if you haven't.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:52:37 PM UTC-5 Mark 3000 wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a complete tiddlywiki newbie. I don't have any advanced requirements 
>>> or anything at this time. My only issue is that no matter what colors I 
>>> choose inside the palette section, I always have this persistent white 
>>> background color behind the tiddles. See the attached image.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to create a dark/night-themed wiki, and this bright white 
>>> background is bugging the heck out of me. Also, a lot of fields are white 
>>> in color as well, and I can't figure out how to fix that either.
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: wikiissues.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: White background behind tiddles.

[clutterstack]

Hi Mark, 

It looks to me as if that light background corresponds to page-background 
in the colour palette, but hard to tell without being able to use developer 
tools to look at the elements.

In-browser developer tools are invaluable in figuring out which element is 
which on the page, and which css rules are being applied. I'd suggest 
checking them out if you haven't.

Best,
Chris

On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:52:37 PM UTC-5 Mark 3000 wrote:

> I'm a complete tiddlywiki newbie. I don't have any advanced requirements 
> or anything at this time. My only issue is that no matter what colors I 
> choose inside the palette section, I always have this persistent white 
> background color behind the tiddles. See the attached image.
>
> I'm trying to create a dark/night-themed wiki, and this bright white 
> background is bugging the heck out of me. Also, a lot of fields are white 
> in color as well, and I can't figure out how to fix that either.
>
> Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
>
> [image: wikiissues.jpg]
>

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[tw5] Re: Table of Contents behavior

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D'oh! I'd say there's no shame in being out-TWed by Mario, but this is 
actually demonstrated in the tiddlywiki.com tiddler "Example Table of 
Contents: Selectively Expandable", where the tiddler "SecondThree" has the 
toc-link: 
no field and works great. So mea culpa for assuming how the rest of the 
macro would handle things. Sorry, Stefan. Sorry, Mario!

Best,
Chris

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 5:55:56 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
> Have a closer look here: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros
> Search for the field: toc-link: no parameter
> IMO there is no need to change the macro code.
> -m
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 8:49:24 AM UTC+1 schlechter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to expand the next level of entries by clicking on title in 
>> TOC ( as it is by clicking on '>') instead of opening the tiddler.
>>
>> [image: TOC behavior.jpg]
>>
>> How can I archieve that?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Stefan
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: STROLL UPDATE 12-31-2020

[clutterstack]

Hello Walt,

For the time being, would it help to create a tiddler with a filtered list 
of all your tiddlers that have empty text fields? You could even add it as 
a tab next to "Missing".

Best,
Chris

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 10:14:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

> Been using this update for some weeks now, and really enjoying the 
> experience, except for this one little hair in the soup -i.e.:
>
> > I originally was going to kill the functionality that created missing 
> tiddlers when saving changes after editing tiddlers. I changed my mind and 
> updated it so it is still there.
>
> I respect your choice about this, @davegifford -but it is problematic for 
> me, because i tend to pepper my notes with CamelCase refs for ideas i'm not 
> ready to develop in the moment -which i can later retrieve via the 
> "Missing" tab nested under "More" tab in the toolbar... But the way Stroll 
> works now, i don't have any easy way to pull those "missing tiddlers" up. 
>
> So: i'm looking for some way to override that function, without breaking 
> anything or going off on what would be in effect a code branch i'm gonna 
> have to maintain myself.  Is there something simple i might do to fix this?
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 2:19:44 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I updated the Stroll site, and the empty Stroll site, to TiddlyWiki 
>> version 5.1.23, and added the following:
>>
>> I updated the Relinks and link-to-tabs plugins for both.
>>
>> I fixed the problem with the close and delete buttons not working. 
>>
>> I originally was going to kill the functionality that created missing 
>> tiddlers when saving changes after editing tiddlers. I changed my mind and 
>> updated it so it is still there.
>>
>> I also added the editor-autolists plugin and a new way to view 
>> references: as vertical tabs.
>>
>> After you have upgraded your Stroll site to TW v 5.1.23, please go to 
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Welcome%20to%20Stroll and drag 
>> the tag pill there to your file and save changes and reload. That should be 
>> all you need.
>>
>> Happy New Year to everyone! Enjoy your updated and enhanced Stroll.
>>
>> Dave Gifford
>>
>> P.S. One problem I still have is that the Close others and Fold others 
>> buttons in the more menu do nothing. After poking around, I have no idea 
>> what is causing that. Would anyone here be willing to have a look?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Table of Contents behavior

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Hi Stefan,

It looks like you'd like to modify the behaviour of the 
toc-selective-expandable macro. The necessary changes for this particular 
case would be contained within the toc-linked-selective-expandable-body 
macro. Both are defined in $:/core/macros/toc.

You'd need to redefine (override) toc-linked-selective-expandable-body to:

1) remove the tiddler link
2) display the tiddler's caption/title within the fold/unfold button, for 
tiddlers that have more tiddlers downstream in the ToC, and 
3) display the tiddler's caption/title by itself for tiddlers that have 
nothing below them in the ToC hierarchy. (If you wanted, you could make 
just these captions tiddler links)

I suggest making a new macro tiddler (tag it with $:/tags/Macro) with 
something like the following in it. I've highlighted (I think) all the 
changes I made. Obviously anything that's commented out could just be 
removed.

\define 
toc-linked-selective-expandable-body(tag,sort:"",itemClassFilter,exclude,path)
<$qualify name="toc-state" title={{{ 
[[$:/state/toc]addsuffix<__path__>addsuffix[-]addsuffix] 
}}}>
  <$set name="toc-item-class" filter=<<__itemClassFilter__>> 
emptyValue="toc-item-selected" value="toc-item" >
>>
  
  <$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]$sort$limit[1]]" 
variable="ignore" emptyMessage="<$button 
class='tc-btn-invisible'>{{$:/core/images/blank}} <>
">
  <$reveal type="nomatch" stateTitle=<> text="open">
<$button setTitle=<> setTo="open" 
class="tc-btn-invisible tc-popup-keep">
  {{$:/core/images/right-arrow}}<>

  
  <$reveal type="match" stateTitle=<> text="open">
<$button setTitle=<> setTo="close" 
class="tc-btn-invisible tc-popup-keep">
  {{$:/core/images/down-arrow}}<>

  

   
  
  <$reveal type="match" stateTitle=<> text="open">
<$macrocall $name="toc-selective-expandable" tag=<> 
sort=<<__sort__>> itemClassFilter=<<__itemClassFilter__>> 
exclude=<<__exclude__>> path=<<__path__>>/>
  

  

\end

The definition of toc-caption can be found at the top of $:/core/macros/toc.

Hope that helps,
Chris
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wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would like to expand the next level of entries by clicking on title in 
> TOC ( as it is by clicking on '>') instead of opening the tiddler.
>
> [image: TOC behavior.jpg]
>
> How can I archieve that?
>
> Thanks
> Stefan
>

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[tw5] Re: Best of 2020 and the Wish-list of 2021

[clutterstack]

Whoo...this is an excellent exercise, and I love the answers on here.

*Highlights* for me, off the top of my head, are:

Tools - Stroll, Streams, and Drift-type things -- all of which provide 
inspiration for my own project to organize all the things and thoughts. 
Mohammad's projects to make TiddlyWiki beautiful and structured. Flibbles' 
Relink plugin. Muuri. 

Learning - Community, by which I mean not only the repeat helpers on this 
list - I've only asked a few questions, but have learned from the answers 
to many more - but also resources and notes people have spent time sharing, 
like Jed's pages, TobiBeer's pages, of course Dave Gifford's pages, and 
more.

*Wish list:*

Easier custom tiddler templating - I think more people would "get" 
TiddlyWiki as a platform if it were easier to present tiddlers with 
different roles differently in the Story River. Joshua Fontany's PR 
 breaking out templates 
into components, and the discussion around it, are interesting, I think. I 
think this is one place we've been held back by the idea of TW as a 
notebook as its power has grown far beyond that.

Discoverability of tools - in one sense there are so many on David's 
dynalist that I need to discover fewer, the ones that are maintained and 
most useful. This thread helps with that.

A personal wish is for me to cooperate more and spend less time rolling my 
own solutions to fit my preferences exactly. :P I don't actually use most 
of the tools I admire.

I'm sure I've missed out some highlights.

Like David, I look forward to the CovidVaccinePlugin and anxiously watch 
for any signs of it starting to influence the overall picture!

Thanks to everyone posting and developing. I hope 2021 brings good news to 
all.

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 9:57:21 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Ref: 2019 best of tools
>
> Dear all,
>
>   The year 2020 is gradually coming to end and a new year 2021 will start 
> soon!
>   I would like to ask you to share the best of 2020 and your wishlist of 
> 2021.
>
>   Tiddlywiki gets more powerful and resource rich and now we have many 
> tools
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
> p.s: Josiah normally sends out this post.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Release: Muuri StoryView v0.2.0

[clutterstack]

Thanks for the updates, Simon. I can confirm that -click works to 
decrease column numbers after I change the modifier key in settings. That 
would be set-it-and-forget-it if one edits a TW on a single OS. KDE wants 
to intercept the meta key though, so I'd have to change it back to ctrl for 
editing there. I'm not sure what's the most elegant pattern to use (I don't 
have one that I prefer over your current solution). Cycling up through 6 is 
an OK fallback for occasional use. 

I definitely think "muuri-tiddler-width" set to 1 is appropriate for the 
Control Panel tiddler. At least on my 13" Retina screen.

So far this looks like an immediately-usable project for presenting 
material and one of the prettiest-looking and intuitive demos out there.

Best,
Chris


On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 2:49:53 AM UTC-5 BurningTreeC wrote:

> Thanks for reporting Chris!
>
> >When editing a Kanban card, is  supposed to delete the tiddler? Is 
> there a keyboard shortcut that just discards any changes?
>
> That was an oversight, it's resolved now on the Demo Page. Esc should just 
> cancel editing the tiddler
>
> >The Control Panel tiddler opens within the right-hand quarter of the 
> story river. I understand now that it's occupying one of the designated 
> number of columns, but this surprised me because the Installation and 
> Kanban tiddlers were full-width.
>
> My personal preference is that tiddlers are layed out from right to left. 
> In the ControlPanel under Appearance -> Muuri there's a setting to change 
> it from left to right
> The "Installation" and "Kanban" tiddlers have a special field called 
> "muuri-tiddler-width" set to "1" which makes them always full-width and 
> ignore the columns-button
>
> >On my Macbook, on Firefox, -clicking the columns button doesn't 
> do anything, while -clicking opens a context menu like a right 
> click. I see that I can loop back to a single column by increasing past 6.
>
> I've resolved that by adding an option to the controlpanel where you can 
> choose the modifier key for the columns-button. in your case it should be 
> the "meta" key
>
>
> I hope this helps,
> best wishes,
> Simon
> clutterstack schrieb am Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 um 01:58:53 UTC+1:
>
>> Hi BTC,
>>
>> Muuri looks very appealing.
>>
>> A couple of observations, which may be moot if I've missed a list of 
>> issues or further instructions.
>>
>> 1) When editing a Kanban card, is  supposed to delete the tiddler? 
>> Is there a keyboard shortcut that just discards any changes?
>>
>> 2) The Control Panel tiddler opens within the right-hand quarter of the 
>> story river. I understand now that it's occupying one of the designated 
>> number of columns, but this surprised me because the Installation and 
>> Kanban tiddlers were full-width.
>>
>> 3) On my Macbook, on Firefox, -clicking the columns button 
>> doesn't do anything, while -clicking opens a context menu like a 
>> right click. I see that I can loop back to a single column by increasing 
>> past 6.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>> On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 3:01:06 PM UTC-5 BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>>> I hereby announce the release of the *Muuri StoryView* plugin version 
>>> 0.2.0
>>>
>>> The Demo page with installation instructions can be found at:
>>>
>>> https://burningtreec.github.io/tiddlywiki-muuri
>>>
>>> The GitHub repository is located at 
>>> https://github.com/BurningTreeC/tiddlywiki-muuri
>>>
>>>
>>> For issues please consider leaving me an issue over at GitHub or here in 
>>> this Google Groups thread
>>>
>>> If you have questions about the usage or ideas for the next release 
>>> please leave me a comment here
>>>
>>> I hope someone finds this plugin useful,
>>> best wishes,
>>> BTC
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Release: Muuri StoryView v0.2.0

[clutterstack]

Hi BTC,

Muuri looks very appealing.

A couple of observations, which may be moot if I've missed a list of issues 
or further instructions.

1) When editing a Kanban card, is  supposed to delete the tiddler? Is 
there a keyboard shortcut that just discards any changes?

2) The Control Panel tiddler opens within the right-hand quarter of the 
story river. I understand now that it's occupying one of the designated 
number of columns, but this surprised me because the Installation and 
Kanban tiddlers were full-width.

3) On my Macbook, on Firefox, -clicking the columns button doesn't 
do anything, while -clicking opens a context menu like a right 
click. I see that I can loop back to a single column by increasing past 6.

Best,
Chris
On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 3:01:06 PM UTC-5 BurningTreeC wrote:

> I hereby announce the release of the *Muuri StoryView* plugin version 
> 0.2.0
>
> The Demo page with installation instructions can be found at:
>
> https://burningtreec.github.io/tiddlywiki-muuri
>
> The GitHub repository is located at 
> https://github.com/BurningTreeC/tiddlywiki-muuri
>
>
> For issues please consider leaving me an issue over at GitHub or here in 
> this Google Groups thread
>
> If you have questions about the usage or ideas for the next release please 
> leave me a comment here
>
> I hope someone finds this plugin useful,
> best wishes,
> BTC
>

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[tw5] Re: Updating the community showcase page on TiddlyWiki.com

[clutterstack]

Hi Odin, just confirming the IndexedDB plugin's subdomain does not seem to 
exist.

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:56:40 AM UTC-5 Odin wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> With the new year starting tomorrow I was thinking about updating the 
> community 
> section  on the official TiddlyWiki site. To check if 
> all the links are still working, and to add helpful plugins and editions 
> that have been made this past year. My goal would be to increase the chance 
> that we inspire newcomers to try out TiddlyWIki, and to help them find the 
> building blocks to adust TiddlyWiki to their use.
>
> My plan is to collect entries in this thread. And then to create a pull 
> request to add them to the website.
>
> Secondly, the list under the tab 'resources' is really long and thus a bit 
> unwieldy. I would like to propose to split up this list into different 
> categories for easier browse, search and lookup. My proposal would be to 
> split it into the following tabs: 
> 1) Plugins (for all community made plugins such as shiraz, krystal, 
> projectify etc.)
> 2) Themes & Palettes (self-explanatory. Maybe even split this one in two 
> as well)
> 3) Editions (preconfigured Wiki's with a number of plugins for a certain 
> goal/usecase such as: drift, stroll, tiddlyresearch etc.)
> 4) Other resources (such as macro's, widgets, code snippets etc. that 
> don't fall into the other categories)
>
> To clarify, this is to split the current 'resources' tab and thus keep the 
> Tutorials, Examples and Articles categories for their respective use.
>
> I am opening this thread to ask for input on what to add. This is the 
> draft of the list based on my bookmarks and the entrees people gave in the 
> best 
> of 2020 thread :
>
> Plugins
> 1) Projectify 
> 2) Command Palette 
> 3) TWCrosslinks 
> 
> 4)  Editor Autolist 
>   
> 5)  TiddlyRemember  
> 6)  Streams plug in  
> 7) danielo's Context 
> 8) Relink Plugin 
> 9) linonetwo's Copy on select plug in 
> 10) My own recipe plugin ; - ) 
> 
> 11) Timer Tools 
>
> Themes
> 1)  Mono theme  
> 2)  Whitespace theme  
> 3)  Notebook theme 
> 4) 
>
> Palettes
> 1) Dracula palette 
> 2) jd's palletes 
> 3) 
>
> Editions
> 1) Stroll 
> 2) Drift 
> 3) TiddlyResearch 
> 4) Noteself  (is already in the resource list, but 
> I would sort it into this category instead)
>
> This is a list of current tiddlers on the tiddlywiki.com website that 
> I've found so far with broken links, that are out of date or need updating:
> 1)  Plugins by Uwe Stuehler 
>  - Link to a 
> tidldywiki with javascript error
> 2) "PETTIL - Forth for the Commodore PET" by Charlie Hitselberger 
> 
>  
> - website is not online anymore. 
> 3) TiddlyDrive Add-on for Google Drive by Joshua Stubbs 
> 
>  - 
> link to the instructions gives a 404 error
> 4) "TiddlyWiki5 Coding" by Chris Hunt 
>  - 
> site not found
> 5) "TWeb.at" by Mario Pietsch 
>  - gives an 
> empty unstyled 'work in progres' website
> 6) IndexedDB Plugin by Andreas Abeck 
>  - 
> coudn't reach site (can anyone check if it is the same on their end?)
> 7) TiddlyWiki Jingle by Måns Mårtensson 
> 
>  - 
> page not found
> 8) "How Does Twederation Work" by Jed Carty 
> 
>  - 
> the wiki does loads, but the tiddler is missing. Seems to be discontinued 
> since 2016
>
> Some closing thoughts: 
> 1) Third party/community build plugins and editions are not always 
> updated. A disclaimer on top of the list reminding people to carefully read 
> the instructions of the 

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

[clutterstack]

memexr? I'll see myself out...

But seriously, I'm more excited about the idea of a new version more 
comfortable in its bones with all the things TW can do. Sounds like an 
awful lot of work, though. Fun though! But that's my perennial personal 
trap.

I also think Charlie's point below is notable, perhaps more for a 
conversation on adoption than on architecting or naming. TiddlyWiki is a 
solution all by itself; I have a TW that's been in constant use since 2005, 
and it has some customisation in it (most tweaks and plugins were wiped out 
when I migrated to TW5), but in general it's a notebook that I shove info 
into and that has a search bar. But there's huge untapped (or unpublicised) 
potential in the TW with constraints added, presented neatly, for a focused 
purpose.

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:13:16 AM UTC-5 Charlie Veniot wrote:

>
> To me, I wouldn't try convincing folk of using "TiddlyWiki" as a solution 
> to a problem.  TiddlyWiki is the platform with which I would build the 
> solution.  The name I then give to the solution is what I use.  The name is 
> different for every solution.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: A plugin with few commands

[clutterstack]

Gah, if I'd read the Installing custom plugins on Node.js 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20custom%20plugins%20on%20Node.js> 
tiddler more recently, the information about environment variables is 
there. 

I'm constantly amazed at how much documentation is in the tiddlywiki.com 
website. I still have a hard time targeting what I'm looking for, but that 
may just be me.

Chris
On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 11:57:46 AM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> See environmental variable here 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Environment%20Variables%20on%20Node.js
>> This let you have custom editions, plugins, themes, ...
>>
>
> Yes, this was such a relief for me with my messy collection of wikis and 
> plugins. I think it should be introduced early in the node.js TW docs. I 
> didn't know what to look for. I was searching for stuff in a config file, 
> or hard-coded in the source.
>
> It is a pity we have such wonderful stuffs but all are stranded on the web 
>> or buried in this forum.
>>
>  
> I think it's getting better(?) But I know what you mean. 
>
> Sometime I put a lot of time to solve some issues, then I realize a 
>> developer has solved them few years ago and I find it by chance
>>
>  
> This is why I find the Google Groups search so frustrating!  I feel myself 
> placing too much hope in the github discussion board...
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: A plugin with few commands

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> See environmental variable here 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Environment%20Variables%20on%20Node.js
> This let you have custom editions, plugins, themes, ...
>

Yes, this was such a relief for me with my messy collection of wikis and 
plugins. I think it should be introduced early in the node.js TW docs. I 
didn't know what to look for. I was searching for stuff in a config file, 
or hard-coded in the source.

It is a pity we have such wonderful stuffs but all are stranded on the web 
> or buried in this forum.
>
 
I think it's getting better(?) But I know what you mean. 

Sometime I put a lot of time to solve some issues, then I realize a 
> developer has solved them few years ago and I find it by chance
>
 
This is why I find the Google Groups search so frustrating!  I feel myself 
placing too much hope in the github discussion board...

Best,
Chris

>

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[tw5] Re: "Right" way to deconstruct a standalone wiki?

[clutterstack]

Hi Mohammad,

Ah! I "always" meant to check out TheDiveO's tools, but when I first saw 
them the whole process seemed intimidating, and as I learned my way around, 
I just gradually incremented toward the process I have right now.

This is probably the "right" answer, concept-wise, for rapid plugin 
development.

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 3:22:27 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> While I have tried many workflow for rapid plugin development, non of them 
> is as flexible as TheDiveO TiddlywikiPluginSkeleton.
> See https://github.com/TheDiveO/TiddlyWikiPluginSkeleton.
>
> You can fire a new plugin by shell command 
> npm run develop
>
> and while you are developing your plugin or set of plugins in a single 
> Tiddlywiki just create a release on the fly using the shell command
> npm run release
>
> You can have both node.js and single html, the packaged plugin and folder 
> plugin all at once.
>
> I myself have set of PowerShell script to
>
> * update the kookma plugin library folder
> * update my local plugin folder on my work machine
> * create local backups, ...
>
>
> The bad news is TheDiveO has not update the tools for some time but they 
> work with latest TW but some small hacks.
>
>
> Good luck
> Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:19:27 AM UTC+3:30 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Mark and Soren. 
>>
>> I see I didn't actually specify that my home-grown plugins live in a 
>> folder away from this wiki. Sorry. I want to rebuild using these files 
>> every time, to have the latest changes.
>>
>> I think I abandoned savewikifolder mainly because it generates a new 
>> tiddlywiki.info file in addition to putting my plugins in a 
>> subdirectory, but that was before I concluded that I needed a shell 
>> function anyway. Without testing, I guess that savewikifolder and a 
>> shell script to move/delete some files would work, and might have 
>> advantages over my current method of running the wiki through render 
>> with a tiddler filter, a name filter, and a template.
>>
>> So far I have the impression that I'm doing something weird, so it's not 
>> a one-liner, but it's possible, because there is just so much flexibility 
>> in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at https://tiddlywiki.com/#SaveWikiFolderCommand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-8 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a "right" way, using node, to take a standalone index.html 
>>>> TiddlyWiki in a folder and break it into tiddlers that can then be used in 
>>>> a new node.js wiki build? 
>>>>
>>>> I am guessing that it's a matter of "why would you want to do that more 
>>>> than occasionally? And occasionally, it's not too much trouble to export 
>>>> your tiddlers to start a new node.js wiki." 
>>>>
>>>> But I'm curious to know whether it's a matter instead of "of course; 
>>>> there's a trivial way to accomplish this with a one-liner in the terminal."
>>>>
>>>> I have one wiki that I'm using in standalone mode, but I'm using it to 
>>>> develop my plugins as I write in it. So I like to be able to go into VS 
>>>> Code, tweak the canonical copy of the plugin, rebuild the html file, 
>>>> reload 
>>>> in the browser, use the wiki a bit, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> I have a build target in this wiki's tiddlywiki.info, called 
>>>> deconstruct, that contains an elaborate tiddler filter, and it seems 
>>>> to be working for me so far, purging plugins but keeping plugin settings 
>>>> etc. Then I have a shell function to copy the wiki to a backup file, 
>>>> deconstruct and then rebuild it.
>>>>
>>>> I see the TiddlyWeb plugin makes a replacement tiddler for 
>>>> $:/core/save/all that includes the right tiddlers to build an offline 
>>>> wiki, but you have to have TiddlyWeb installed in the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: A plugin with few commands

[clutterstack]

:)

Coincidentally, I discovered the environment variables just yesterday. I 
could have saved my effort yesterday and learned it for free by reading 
your post today (if I could see the future)!

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 9:00:44 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Please ignore my previous post.
>
> I realized I have not included the plugin with custom command to my 
> tiddlywiki.info file.
> I think this is a sign of Alzheimer ;-)
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 5:09:19 PM UTC+3:30 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> I have a node.js plugin containing few JS tiddlers with 
>> module-type:command. That means my plugin has extended TW commands. I call 
>> them custom commands.
>>
>> Now, I use the below environmental variable under Windows 10 to store all 
>> of my third party plugins.
>>
>>- TIDDLYWIKI_PLUGIN_PATH - Search path for ordinary plugins
>>
>> Then I use the below command at shell for some development purpose.
>>
>> tiddlywiki editions/release --verbose --build release
>>
>> with below tiddlywiki.info
>>
>> {
>>   "includeWikis": [
>> "../../src"
>>   ],
>>   "config": {
>> "disable-hfs": "yes"
>>   },
>>   "plugins": [
>> "tiddlywiki/codemirror",
>> "tiddlywiki/highlight",
>> "tiddlywiki/katex",
>> "kookma/shiraz",
>> "kookma/utility"
>>   ],
>>   "build": {
>> "release": [
>>   "--releaseplugins",
>>   "--releasedemowiki"
>> ]
>>   },
>>   "themes": [
>> "tiddlywiki/vanilla",
>> "tiddlywiki/snowwhite"
>>   ]
>> }
>>
>>
>> Tiddlywiki complains as: Error: Unknown command: releaseplugins
>>
>> Strangely if I use the plugin as a packaged one (plugin.tid) NOT as a 
>> Node.js plugin folder, Tiddlywiki is happy and runs my custom commands
>>
>> Would you please advise me if there is any limitation using custom 
>> commands? Why packaged plugin works but plugin folder not work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: "Right" way to deconstruct a standalone wiki?

[clutterstack]

Thanks, Mark and Soren. 

I see I didn't actually specify that my home-grown plugins live in a folder 
away from this wiki. Sorry. I want to rebuild using these files every time, 
to have the latest changes.

I think I abandoned savewikifolder mainly because it generates a new 
tiddlywiki.info file in addition to putting my plugins in a subdirectory, 
but that was before I concluded that I needed a shell function anyway. 
Without testing, I guess that savewikifolder and a shell script to 
move/delete some files would work, and might have advantages over my 
current method of running the wiki through render with a tiddler filter, a 
name filter, and a template.

So far I have the impression that I'm doing something weird, so it's not a 
one-liner, but it's possible, because there is just so much flexibility in 
TiddlyWiki.

Cheers,
Chris
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:

> Take a look at https://tiddlywiki.com/#SaveWikiFolderCommand
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-8 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there a "right" way, using node, to take a standalone index.html 
>> TiddlyWiki in a folder and break it into tiddlers that can then be used in 
>> a new node.js wiki build? 
>>
>> I am guessing that it's a matter of "why would you want to do that more 
>> than occasionally? And occasionally, it's not too much trouble to export 
>> your tiddlers to start a new node.js wiki." 
>>
>> But I'm curious to know whether it's a matter instead of "of course; 
>> there's a trivial way to accomplish this with a one-liner in the terminal."
>>
>> I have one wiki that I'm using in standalone mode, but I'm using it to 
>> develop my plugins as I write in it. So I like to be able to go into VS 
>> Code, tweak the canonical copy of the plugin, rebuild the html file, reload 
>> in the browser, use the wiki a bit, and so on.
>>
>> I have a build target in this wiki's tiddlywiki.info, called deconstruct, 
>> that contains an elaborate tiddler filter, and it seems to be working for 
>> me so far, purging plugins but keeping plugin settings etc. Then I have a 
>> shell function to copy the wiki to a backup file, deconstruct and then 
>> rebuild it.
>>
>> I see the TiddlyWeb plugin makes a replacement tiddler for 
>> $:/core/save/all that includes the right tiddlers to build an offline 
>> wiki, but you have to have TiddlyWeb installed in the wiki.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>

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