Re: [U2] Dynamic Concepts Unibasic ... Is this Pick ?
there's another outfit called Unidata in Colorado, too. It's part of a university or an NGO thing, maybe unifying data across several NGOs. Maybe an arm of the Amalgamated Organization of Federated Associations. (hat tip to Garrison Keillor.) On 4/24/2014 9:41 PM, Tom Whitmore wrote: This appears to be unrelated to Rocket's UniBASIC. In fact, it appears to run at the OS level. It is odd that their documentation states UniBasic is a trademark of Dynamic Concepts Inc. Does Rocket have an infringement issue? Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Dynamic Concepts Unibasic ... Is this Pick ? http://www.dynamic.com/software/unibasic/ This company confuses me. Is this the same UniBASIC ? They are based in Irvine but their website makes it seem like this UniBasic is theirs. No mention of Rocket. Or are their actually two completely unrelated companies, hawking products both called Uni Basic ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Left Outer Join Question
Randy, It sounds like NSELECT is what you need. But MERGE.LIST is a handy thing to get working. I use it all the time, especially when researching bugs or bad data. What happens if you do other commands manipulating active select list 1? SELECT OLDMAS TO 1 SAVE.LIST X FROM 1 ? or LIST OLDMAS FROM 1 ? You say you're in Pick-flavor. Look for 1, 2, 3 in the VOC. There may be A-items defined there. They may conflict with parsing the command. 0 thru 11 actually. If there are, they should be moved to DICT.DICT which, unlike true Pick, is UV's master dictionary of dictionaries. While you're at it, for any and all of the words used in the command line compare your VOC to what is in NEWACC (the file they build VOCs for new accounts). Particularly TO FROM. I have seen some commands fail, but others work fine when those are not exactly as NEWACC says they should be. Chuck On 3/4/2014 3:39 PM, randyleesmith wrote: I tried the simplest way and still could not get it to work. SF-MORTSELECT OLDMAS TO 1 5247 record(s) selected to SELECT list #1. SF-MORTSELECT TRWMONTHEND TO 2 5229 record(s) selected to SELECT list #2. SF-MORTMERGE.LIST 1 INTERSECT 2 TO 3 SELECT list 1 is not active. SF-MORTMERGE.LIST 1 INTERSECT 2 SELECT list 1 is not active. I even tried the lowercase select and got the same result. Our version is 10.2.7 and we are running in PICK PICK.FORMAT. We are running a number of older applications and Proc's. So it may because of the Version I'm using. : 0001: X : 0002: 10.2.7 : 0003: PICK : 0004: PICK.FORMAT : 0005: 10.2.7 - I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over the glass. -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740p42772.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Dan, Thank-you for responding. More generally, thank-you for monitoring u2-list so closely. So, under the theory that no good deed should go unpunished, I have a couple follow-up questions for you. 1. Your *planning* comment confuses me. It can be taken 2 ways. Are you saying Rocket is (a) planning NOT to do 11.1.x bug fix releases; or (b) not CURRENTLY planning any such bug fix releases because none have been identified yet? For example, John Hester's localtime() / telnet problem surfaced in 11.1 (telnet handling changed dramatically at 11.1 to accommodate the Date Replication changes), I would think you would offer an 11.1.x bug fix so a user does not need to do a major jump to 11.2 to get the fix. I suppose it depends on whether there is a good workaround, Mr. Hester seems satisfied with his. Because 11.1 is still in GA status, and because 11.2 is still young, I would think bugs that are found to be in 11.1 would still be fixed with an 11.1.16, .17, etc.. At this late stage of 11.1 I would think the only releases would be unplanned bug fixes. Yes, unplanned until another 11.1 bug is found, but once found, let the planning commence. If you've followed this thread, you'll recall my organization is extraordinarily reluctant to make install major uv releases w/o extensive regression testing due to past wounds. If we encounter a bug in 11.1.15 will we be told, sorry, no fix unless you upgrade to 11.2.x? That won't sit well. It even negates my reason for going to the highest 11.1.x instead of a point release with a plethora of current satisfied users. 2. The version numbering scheme itself confuses me. What sort of thing would call for a jump from 11.x to 12.1? (Or will it be 12.0?) vs. 11.n to 11.[n+1] ? Why was it called 11.1 instead of 10.4? The new Metadata Manager (U2 MDM) was introduced in 11.1.11, a minor point release. To my way of thinking, that would have triggered 11.2. And the existing new 11.2 would have been called 12.1. I thought the minor point releases were generally for bug fixess, not new functionality. Maybe you could clarify the naming scheme? Thanks in advance, Chuck On 2/28/2014 8:25 PM, Daniel McGrath wrote: Hi Charles, It does not affect Windows. At this point, we are not *planning* any further 11.1.x releases so we can focus on the 11.2.x and .NEXT releases of UniVerse and moving the technology forward. I also misspoke on 11.2.4 as it was a mistake in our issue system. It is actually 11.2.3. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 9:31 AM is this unix-, linux-specific or windows, too? Fix in 11.2.4, but in 11.1.16 too? That's the usual practice, isn't it? On 2/28/2014 6:50 PM, Daniel McGrath wrote: As an FYI, I'm sitting in a meeting now were we are pulling a check-in to use a re-entrant version of the function for our latest build to fix this issue. You should expect a fix in 11.2.4 unless something goes wrong. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: John Hester Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:59 PM We migrated from UV 10.2.7 on RedHat 5.1 x86 to 11.1.13 on RedHat 6.4 x64 last November. I've since run into a bug that can reveal itself when tty processes are terminated. It could be unique to linux, but you may want to watch for it. The symptoms are that terminated UV tty processes disappear from LISTU and PORT.STATUS, but continue to exist in the process table and consume a UV per-seat license. I discovered the issue when we ran out of licenses after a couple of months of uptime and I initially couldn't figure out where they went. Running the ps command at the OS level revealed their existence. I'm guessing the issue occurs on maybe 1 out of 200 or 300 tty sessions. The root cause of the issue is the localtime() function being called from the signal handler. The localtime() function is not POSIX async-signal-safe, which means it can't be safely called from there. The function acquires a lock which may already be held by the process that was interrupted by the signal if it too was in localtime(). When this happens, a deadlock is the result and the process is in limbo forever. I was able to easily work around the issue by having cron run a script after hours every day to clean up any hung UV processes and recover the licenses. I opened a ticket with Rocket, and they're planning to include a fix for the issue in 11.2.4. I'm happy to provide my workaround script to anyone who runs into this on a linux or unix box. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how one would craft a workaround on Windows. -John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
is this unix-, linux-specific or windows, too? Fix in 11.2.4, but in 11.1.16 too? That's the usual practice, isn't it? On 2/28/2014 6:50 PM, Daniel McGrath wrote: As an FYI, I'm sitting in a meeting now were we are pulling a check-in to use a re-entrant version of the function for our latest build to fix this issue. You should expect a fix in 11.2.4 unless something goes wrong. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Hester Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:59 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. We migrated from UV 10.2.7 on RedHat 5.1 x86 to 11.1.13 on RedHat 6.4 x64 last November. I've since run into a bug that can reveal itself when tty processes are terminated. It could be unique to linux, but you may want to watch for it. The symptoms are that terminated UV tty processes disappear from LISTU and PORT.STATUS, but continue to exist in the process table and consume a UV per-seat license. I discovered the issue when we ran out of licenses after a couple of months of uptime and I initially couldn't figure out where they went. Running the ps command at the OS level revealed their existence. I'm guessing the issue occurs on maybe 1 out of 200 or 300 tty sessions. The root cause of the issue is the localtime() function being called from the signal handler. The localtime() function is not POSIX async-signal-safe, which means it can't be safely called from there. The function acquires a lock which may already be held by the process that was interrupted by the signal if it too was in localtime(). When this happens, a deadlock is the result and the process is in limbo forever. I was able to easily work around the issue by having cron run a script after hours every day to clean up any hung UV processes and recover the licenses. I opened a ticket with Rocket, and they're planning to include a fix for the issue in 11.2.4. I'm happy to provide my workaround script to anyone who runs into this on a linux or unix box. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how one would craft a workaround on Windows. -John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Reporting back on a question I asked a few months ago. We finally upgraded from uv10.2.10 to uv11.1.15 mid-February. Delays were for internal business reasons having nothing to do with UV or the upgrade project itself. Platform is Windows 2003, which will be upgraded later this year. I'm pushing for Linux but not holding my breath. Primary goal was fear of falling off the back end of maintenance. I would have liked 11.2, but it is too new. There is no pressing business need to be an early adapter. Stability overrides. Because several years ago many here on both business IT sides suffered a UV upgrade that caused the worst disaster I've ever seen a production system take. We restored from backup, losing 2 days of production data. That is the only problem I have ever seen with any UV upgrade. But I performed the one that went bad so I, personally, can't afford a 2nd with this same audience. So reluctance, nay, fear was high; regression testing, extensive; time between upgrades, long. (I won't get 11.2 for years unless we migrate to Linux.) Since every point release potentially introduces new bugs as well as fixes, I hesitated going to the latest 11.1.x, and toyed with going to a lesser one that more people are running on, pain-free. In the end we opted for the newest at that time, 11.1.13. If we ever have an issue, Rocket would probably put the fix in the next release we'd have to install the cummulative changes, anyway. So we might as well test for as much as possible up front. Most regression testing was on 11.1.13. By the time we were ready to install, 11.1.15 was available. There did not appear to be much that affected us in -.14 -.15, so I installed -.15 on the test system. Then mid-February I moved production from 10.2.10 to 11.1.15. Due to prior disaster, rollback-readiness to return to 10.2.10 was important. I exercised that a couple times on dev. Issues, comments: No issues during regression testing. The (default) uvhome is now c:\u2\uv instead of c:\ibm\uv. I chose to do a new install instead of upgrade. Permissions when installing 11.1.15 on production were tighter than when I installed 11.1.13 on dev. I don't know why. I like tight permissions, so I left them it's ok. Had to be careful to allow update permissionw wher I created the new uv\errlog. MAKE.MAP.FILE had errors on both dev prod after 11.1.15 install. I re-catalogued a couple subroutines it cared about and it seems to be ok. It wasn't
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Reporting back on a question I asked a few months ago. We finally upgraded from uv10.2.10 to uv11.1.15 mid-February. Delays were for internal business reasons having nothing to do with UV or the upgrade project itself. Platform is Windows 2003, which will be upgraded later this year. I'm pushing for Linux but not holding my breath. Primary goal was fear of falling off the back end of maintenance. I would have liked 11.2, but it is too new. There is no pressing business need to be an early adapter. Stability overrides. Because several years ago many here on both business IT sides suffered a UV upgrade that caused the worst disaster I've ever seen a production system take. We restored from backup, losing 2 days of production data. That is the only problem I have ever seen with any UV upgrade. But I performed the one that went bad so I, personally, can't afford a 2nd with this same audience. So reluctance, nay, fear was high; regression testing, extensive; time between upgrades, long. (I won't get 11.2 for years unless we migrate to Linux.) Since every point release potentially introduces new bugs as well as fixes, I hesitated going to the latest 11.1.x, and toyed with going to a lesser one that more people are running on, pain-free. In the end we opted for the newest at that time, 11.1.13. If we ever have an issue, Rocket would probably put the fix in the next release we'd have to install the cummulative changes, anyway. So we might as well test for as much as possible up front. Most regression testing was on 11.1.13. By the time we were ready to install, 11.1.15 was available. There did not appear to be much that affected us in -.14 -.15, so I installed -.15 on the test system. Then mid-February I moved production from 10.2.10 to 11.1.15. Due to prior disaster, rollback-readiness to return to 10.2.10 was important. I exercised that a couple times on dev. Issues, comments: No issues during regression testing. The (default) uvhome is now c:\u2\uv instead of c:\ibm\uv. I chose to do a new install instead of upgrade. Permissions when installing 11.1.15 on production were tighter than when I installed 11.1.13 on dev. I don't know why. I like tight permissions, so I left them it's ok. Had to be careful to allow update permissionw wher I created the new uv\errlog. MAKE.MAP.FILE had errors on both dev prod after 11.1.15 install. I re-catalogued a couple subroutines it cared about and it seems to be ok. It wasn't a permissions problem. Gracious thanks to those on this list who offered advice, Chuck Stevenson On 9/25/2013 12:27 AM, Charles Stevenson wrote: We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) . . . ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SELECTINDEX problem Universe 11.1.11
Use BSCAN command. instead of SELECTINDEX. SELECTINDEX gets exact matches, whereas BSCAN gets you to a starting point , then you go forward from there. You'd BSCAN for MACKE, then loop with additional BSCANs until you are past what you care about. Or execute a SELECT statement: SELECT . . . WITH NAME LIKE MACKE... or SELECT . . . WITH NAME = MACKE] to get a select list based on the index. I assume RetrieVe effectively does BSCAN behind the curtain. It depends on whether you want readability or efficiency. cds From: mbeggs [via U2 (UniVerse UniData)] Subject: SELECTINDEX problem Universe 11.1.11 We are currently running UV 11.1.11 and have come across a problem with SELECTINDEX. For example if I enter in MACKE for a name should all names starting with MACKE display, including MACKENZIE. This does not appear to be working properly. According to Rocket they say there was a bug in 11.1.2 for this problem, and was corrected, but appears to still be a problem. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] wasted time on rs.com
The question was Why can't it be easy to find? not Where is it? Searching Rocket website is difficult. The other day someone on this list was searching for Tech support Survivor's guide. Did he find it? We were told he needed a 2UBC login to get to it. Not for the riffraff. Try finding Mark Baldridge's Hitchhiker's Guide To UniVerse, which should be required reading. Go to www.rocketsoftware.com homepage enter some variants of Hitchhiker's guide to the universe at the search prompt of rocket software homepage. Your search yielded no results Keep going. You can limit the product families to U2. (Although I don't think that really does anything.) Nada. Tell me how long it takes to find it. Try to find out what particular error codes mean. Known issues and the release where they are fixed are buried in some help file you can get to only by looking up particular releases in a product matrix and downloading the entire help file. At least, that's the only way I've found. Do you have to do that for Lnux? MS? HP? any other software product you use? I used a new MS backup tool to backup a Win8 server its virtual servers. I got an error code. I am decidedly not a windows administrator. But on 1st attempt I found a useable MS answer. I rely on this u2-list. It's quicker to post a question here than wade through RS looking for anything. A couple weeks ago I couldn't remember syntax for the old, arcane Revise. Posted the q here got 2 answers. On 2/20/2014 8:05 PM, baker_hug...@neimanmarcus.com wrote: It is on the Tech Connect website. You might need a u2tc login to get to the product matrix. https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/matrix.asp Then enter Product desired, and OS: https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/buildmatrix.asp Regards, R. Baker Hughes Senior UV DBA, Wipro/NMG From: Marc Harbeson marc.harbe...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, Date: 02/20/2014 11:00 AM Subject:[U2] wasted time on rs.com Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org why can the download for the U2 clients not be easy to find on the web site?!?!? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Debugging UNIX Segmentation Violations and Core Dumps (UV)
You only allow that information out to people under maintenance contracts? Anyone can sign up at TechConnect. That isn't good enough? Original Message Robert, If you have a current maintenance contract with Rocket U2 you will be able to access this and many more resources from the Rocket Customer Portal. Neil Richards Sales Engineer Rocket Software On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Robert i...@keyway.net wrote: I received a copy of a CD, that has a lot of good information on it. It is labeled U2 Tech Support Survival Kit. It has some good documents and diagnostic utilities on it. Here is an example: IBM-U2 Data Management Solutions,Technical Support White Paper,Subject: Debugging UNIX Segmentation Violations and Core Dumps (UV) Anyone have a link to the latest equivalent of this CD on the Rocket Website? When I searched there was no mention on the Rocket website about SURVIVAL KIT. Thanks, Robert Norman ROBERT NORMAN AND ASSOCIATES 23441 Golden Springs Dr., #289, Diamond Bar, CA 91765 (323) 285-7272, (951) 541-1668 http://universe-basic-programming.webstarts.com http://users.keyway.net/~ice/index.html http://www.affordablemultivalueprogramming.i8.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ED: The very finest of 1970s technology! was: UniVerse Dictionary question
For ED on UV we're each partially right, partially wrong. IBspaceenter puts you in input mode instead of inserting a blank line like it should, like Ispaceenter does. But IBspacespaceenter , does insert a space. At some earlier release it don't think it did. It did what IBspaceenter should (but doesn't) do. I suppose you want to quibble of over the finest of 70's technology, too. How about Better than EDLIN. We can probably agree on that. Thank-you for the nit-picking. I feel cleaner already. Chuck On 2/7/2014 7:03 PM, Howder, Scott wrote: Sorry, meant to add the following on my previous post: At least this is true in AE on Unidata Scott Howder Assistant CIO Cedarville University howd...@cedarville.edu 937-766-7905 On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Howder, Scott howd...@cedarville.eduwrote: IBspacespaceenter technically does not insert a blank line. It will insert a line with a space at the beginning. You can verify this by doing the following: IBspacespaceenter AspaceX You will notice that the X is indented by one space. As others have noted, to actually insert a blank line with nothing in it you would have to use the ` character as in: IBspace` or Ispace` Kind of picky perhaps but in some cases the difference matters. Scott Howder Assistant CIO Cedarville University howd...@cedarville.edu 937-766-7905 On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: it's been that way for, oh I dunno, going back to PI, 30+ years? That's in input mode. Here are some related ED facts about edit-mode that I've found Pickies (vs. Primates) don't seem to know: Rspace enter replaces current line with a blank line. Ispacethis is some textenter will insert a line this is some textbut leave yoiu in edit-mode, not insert-mode. IB will put you in input mode BEFORE the line you're on. IBspacethis is a some textenter will insert a line this is some text BEFORE the current line but leave yoiu in edit-mode, not insert-mode. There is a bit of an inconsistency with IB: IBspacespaceenter Inserts a blank line BEFORE current line. I don't know why 2 spaces are needed. Oh, well. Renter repeats the previous full-line Replacement Center repeats the previous Change command. R this is some textenter replaces thw whole line. R/ABC/XYZ is really C/ABC/XYZ So if you pickies are used to saying R/ABC/XYZ/ That is really a Change command, C/ABC/XYZ. So subsequent Center will repeat your R/ABC/XYZ/ Finally, there is the actually helpful HELPenter command. (Check out HELP SEQenter.) AE aficionados may quibble over the ED motto, The very finest of 1970s technology! cds On 2/6/2014 4:24 AM, Clif Oliver wrote: The UniVerse ED verb in input mode accepts a *single* space as a null line indicator. Regards, Clif On Feb 5, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: A tip my original mentor taught me on the first day was that in ED/AE, the back tick (`) gets treated as an empty line so you can keep going in insert mode and not need to worry about it. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-bounces@ listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Martin Scholl Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 5:07 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary question The dots were just there to keep the numbered list going, The same I use dots in the Editor to enter blank lines. Later I go to the top and do R/.//50 to remove the dot. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary question What are the periods in 3 and 4 for? Did you try removing those? -Original Message- From: Woodward, Bob bob_woodw...@k2sports.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:49 am Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary question Just to make sure, you're wanting FIELD 178 and the first value of that field. Correct? Because you have a length of 1, left justified I want to make sure you're not looking for the first character of the 178th field. Maybe if you showed what you're wanting and what you're getting, instead, then we'd be sure to give you an answer that makes sense. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:45 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary queston Martin: This is the only way to do accomplish the defined task in UniData. Maybe @RECORD178,1 is the preferred method in UV. Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* msch...@martinscholl.com *To:* U2 Users
[U2] ED: The very finest of 1970s technology! was: UniVerse Dictionary question
it's been that way for, oh I dunno, going back to PI, 30+ years? That's in input mode. Here are some related ED facts about edit-mode that I've found Pickies (vs. Primates) don't seem to know: Rspace enter replaces current line with a blank line. Ispacethis is some textenter will insert a line this is some textbut leave yoiu in edit-mode, not insert-mode. IB will put you in input mode BEFORE the line you're on. IBspacethis is a some textenter will insert a line this is some text BEFORE the current line but leave yoiu in edit-mode, not insert-mode. There is a bit of an inconsistency with IB: IBspacespaceenter Inserts a blank line BEFORE current line. I don't know why 2 spaces are needed. Oh, well. Renter repeats the previous full-line Replacement Center repeats the previous Change command. R this is some textenter replaces thw whole line. R/ABC/XYZ is really C/ABC/XYZ So if you pickies are used to saying R/ABC/XYZ/ That is really a Change command, C/ABC/XYZ. So subsequent Center will repeat your R/ABC/XYZ/ Finally, there is the actually helpful HELPenter command. (Check out HELP SEQenter.) AE aficionados may quibble over the ED motto, The very finest of 1970s technology! cds On 2/6/2014 4:24 AM, Clif Oliver wrote: The UniVerse ED verb in input mode accepts a *single* space as a null line indicator. Regards, Clif On Feb 5, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: A tip my original mentor taught me on the first day was that in ED/AE, the back tick (`) gets treated as an empty line so you can keep going in insert mode and not need to worry about it. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Martin Scholl Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 5:07 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary question The dots were just there to keep the numbered list going, The same I use dots in the Editor to enter blank lines. Later I go to the top and do R/.//50 to remove the dot. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary question What are the periods in 3 and 4 for? Did you try removing those? -Original Message- From: Woodward, Bob bob_woodw...@k2sports.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:49 am Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary question Just to make sure, you're wanting FIELD 178 and the first value of that field. Correct? Because you have a length of 1, left justified I want to make sure you're not looking for the first character of the 178th field. Maybe if you showed what you're wanting and what you're getting, instead, then we'd be sure to give you an answer that makes sense. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:45 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Dictionary queston Martin: This is the only way to do accomplish the defined task in UniData. Maybe @RECORD178,1 is the preferred method in UV. Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* msch...@martinscholl.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 2/4/2014 11:33 AM *Subject:* [U2] UniVerse Dictionary queston UniVerse. I want to create a dictionary item that extract value 178,1 I thought 1. I 2. EXTRACT(@RECORD,178,1,0) 3. . 4. . 5. 1L 6. S Would do but it does not give me the desired result. Any suggestions? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you verify windows printer is good before fatal error by PRINTing to a bogus printer.
Thanks, Brian. I was heading that general direction with net view \\[printserver] Then searching for the printer I'm looking for. You're right about the drivers, but I don't think I'll get a fatal error just because the printing is garbled or printer is offline, will I? We've been getting a rash of errors in something that's been pretty stable for years, resulting in incomplete updates because the PRINT statements aborted were in the middle of the writes. On 1/30/2014 4:23 PM, Brian Leach wrote: Not quite so easy - Remember that under Windows a printer is a combination of a driver and a device. If you link to a remote printer, it needs to install the driver locally on your server so as to access the printer correctly .. that means either it has to be a model that has previously been installed (say, if you have two equivalent HP Lasers on different machines) or the client needs to have the right drivers to publish back to you - which can give problems if they are running different versions of Windows and e.g. 64 bit vs 32 bit and you haven't loaded them all. Also, BTW, being able to access the driver doesn't mean the printer is working. Most drivers only check when they actually start printing. So any 'is this printer online or offline' messages only relate to the last thing the driver knew about and not necessarily the current state. That said, you can try the DOS NET commands. NET USE will show you what you have visible already: C:\Users\briannet use New connections will be remembered. Status Local RemoteNetwork --- Unavailable LPT1: \\tiny\text1 Microsoft Windows Network The command completed successfully. Now this is NOT showing what is actually available. C:\Users\brianNET USE \\tiny\HP Color LaserJet CP2020 Series PCL6 The command completed successfully. Now it is there: Status Local RemoteNetwork --- Unavailable LPT1: \\tiny\text1 Microsoft Windows Network OK \\tiny\HP Color LaserJet CP2020 Series PCL6 Microsoft Windows Network The command completed successfully. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you verify windows printer is good before fatal error by PRINTing to a bogus printer.
Thanks Anthony. Yeah, it you can find the code w/o too much trouble, I'd be interested. BTW, it's impressive how little printing this company actually does. Remember that promise of a paperless society? Maybe we're getting there. Good. I hate printers. Always have. Chuck On 1/29/2014 10:43 PM, Anthonys Lists wrote: On 28/01/2014 20:59, Charles Stevenson wrote: Anthony pretty much nailed how we're doing it. But my original question is still unanswered. I want to make sure it's a valid printer before I start printing to it. I think I problably need to do something like EXECUTE DOS /C [some-command] \\MY_PRINT_SERVER\PrinterName CAPTURING DOSMSG IF DOSMSG = [something bad] THEN . . . I was hoping someone in this august body had crossed that bridge before. We never had that problem. I had a PRINTER subroutine or suchlike that accessed a printers file with all the parameters. Any programatic (or user command line) attempt to access a printer was via my stuff, that checked this file, and set things up accordingly. So as far as eg accounts was concerned, they had the ACCOUNTS printer. Whenever anything changed, I simply changed the ACCOUNTS entry in the parameter file. Very useful, because on the odd occasion when a printer went down I just made a temporary change to the file and everything got diverted :-) If tyou're interested, let me know and I'll see if I can find the code - I know I had it but it's a long time ago ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] How do you verify windows printer is good before fatal error by PRINTing to a bogus printer.
SETPTR 0,80,60,3,3,1,AT \\Bad\PrinterName seems to execute w/o throwing an error. but an actual PRINT statement yields a fatal error: Program PRT: Line 2, Printer name \\Bad\PrinterName is not recognized by the system. I'd like to verify we're printing to a good printer *before* attempting to do so. Execute some DOS command, maybe? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] How do you verify windows printer is good before fatal error by PRINTing to a bogus printer.
SETPTR 0,80,60,3,3,1,AT \\BAD\NAME seems to execute w/o throwing an error. but an actual PRINT statement yields a fatal error: Program PRT: Line 2, Printer name \\BAD\PRINTERNAME is not recognized by the system. I'd like to verify we're printing to a good printer *before* attempting to do so. Execute some DOS command, maybe? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you verify windows printer is good before fatal error by PRINTing to a bogus printer.
Anthony pretty much nailed how we're doing it. But my original question is still unanswered. I want to make sure it's a valid printer before I start printing to it. I think I problably need to do something like EXECUTE DOS /C [some-command] \\MY_PRINT_SERVER\PrinterName CAPTURING DOSMSG IF DOSMSG = [something bad] THEN . . . I was hoping someone in this august body had crossed that bridge before. cds On 1/28/2014 11:31 PM, Jeff Schasny wrote: I've been using Universe since it was in beta and I had no idea you could use a URI in SETPTR. Its a good day, I've learned something new. Thanks! Wols Lists wrote: So if I am working on \\ASHDOWN (the name of my computer) I can use SETPTR to point at \\TIGGER\HP - a printer logically connected to a different computer that I've never told UV anything about. Setptr is quite happy to be given a windows remote computer reference and it works fine. That was how all our printers worked - they usually had network cards in them, so when a new printer turned up, I would assign it a name in DNS, and for anybody who was supposed to use it I would just edit their login script to add eg SETPTR ...,AT \\ACCOUNTS-HP\RAW And it just worked. No UV printer setting up whatsoever. Okay, my setup was a little bit cleverer than that, but everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, was done in my programs. Nothing at the UV level whatsoever. Cheers, Wol Correct. Except he was *also* using the URI syntax, ie \\COMPUTER\QUEUE. Wols Lists wrote: On 28/01/14 15:07, Jeff Schasny wrote: SPOOL -LIST will show you all the print queue names Is that all the printer names known to U2, or all the printer names known to the network? In Chuck's example, this particular printer will never have been declared to U2 - I did this all the time. The only printer UV was told about was DEFAULT, which didn't exist ... In fact, I suspect this syntax will list all the printers known to the server on which U2 is running, which could easily NOT include a valid printer the user is trying to print to ... Cheers, Wol Charles Stevenson wrote: SETPTR 0,80,60,3,3,1,AT \\BAD\NAME seems to execute w/o throwing an error. but an actual PRINT statement yields a fatal error: Program PRT: Line 2, Printer name \\BAD\PRINTERNAME is not recognized by the system. I'd like to verify we're printing to a good printer *before* attempting to do so. Execute some DOS command, maybe? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Logging program execution in Unidata?
track OS's last access date on the object? On 1/7/2014 3:08 AM, McGowan, Ian wrote: We're looking into a major conversion late this year, which will involve checking out several thousand programs (mostly opens, reads or writes). Some programs are run many times a day, whereas some were throwaway and haven't been touched in years. It would be great to get some sense of which ones are active. We unfortunately don't have a wrapper program, wondering if anyone has run into this before - is it possible to somehow log when a program is executed in Unidata? Any magic triggers, directory flags or other audit flags that can get turned on? Any ideas gratefully received, Ian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] JET
Jet as a subset of Rocket instead or Rocket as a subset of Jet. It's a different universe. On 1/6/2014 8:00 PM, Daniel McGrath wrote: Have them contact their U2 support provider. Rocket has JET. Cheers, Dan McGrath Managing Director, U2 Servers Lab Rocket Software ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] REVISE - how do tou delete a mv association
Thanks, Derek! I knew there was a #, or #n or ## involved. I think I tried every combo but the right one in the right place. Happy New Year, Chuck On 12/29/2013 7:08 AM, Derek wrote: I believe you would select line 8 to display the one multivalued field and its associated values, then select line 2 (PTR.LINO) and replace the existing value with ## to delete the value and associated values. HTH, Derek On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody help me, please. I don't think I've used it since it was called ENTRO on PI. I can only see the command line syntax for revise. I want to delete a set of values from several associated fields. CONTROL -Screen 1-FIRST SCREEN Fri Dec 27 15:03:03 2013 1 CONTROLBC.PRINTER S1 == FIRST SCREEN S2 == PTR.LINO PTR.NAME PTR.OS CHANGE= S2 -- CONTROL -Screen 2-PTR.LINO PTR.NAME PT Fri Dec 27 15:03:48 2013 CONTROL== BC.PRINTER No. LINO PTR.NAME... PTR.OS 11 ZEBRAANC\\prtsvr\ZEBRAANC 22 ZEBRAATL\\prtsvr\ZEBRAATL 33 ZEBRABOI\\prtsvr\ZEBRABOI 44 ZEBRACLT\\prtsvr\ZEBRACLT 55 ZEBRACVG\\prtsvr\ZEBRACVG 66 ZEBRADEN\\prtsvr\ZEBRADEN 77 ZEBRAEDC\\prtsvr\ZEBRAEDC 88 ZEBRAICT\\prtsvr\ZEBRAICT ---if I want to delete this... 99 ZEBRAJAX\\prtsvr\ZEBRAJAX 10 10 ZEBRAMEM\\prtsvr\ZEBRAMEM 11 11 ZEBRAPDX1 \\prtsvr\ZEBRAPDX1 Change which line item=--- need cmd to delete value 8 from the assoc? Or do I choose 8 and delete it from the next sub-screen? CONTROL -Screen 2-PTR.LINO PTR.NAME PT Fri Dec 27 15:06:33 2013 CONTROL==BC.PRINTERLine== 8 2 PTR.LINO 8 3 PTR.NAME ZEBRAICT 4 PTR.OS \\prtsvr\ZEBRAICT CHANGE= here ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Regarding: LISTING SUB-VALUES
Anthony meant: 002: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER1,3 On 12/27/2013 1:08 PM, Wols Lists wrote: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER.3 0001: I 0002: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER3 1,3 extracts the 3rd value from that single attribute. 3 extracts the 3rd attribute, which in this case would yield null. CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER already extracted the 3rd attribute. So it is an array 1 attribute long, but with multivalues. On UD, I think this is customary: 002: EXTRACT( CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER,1,3 ) THE ... syntax is really an alternate syntax of the EXTRACT function. On UV, after you write your I-descriptor compile it, DLIST CUSTOMER.FILE CUSTOMER.PHONE.3 will show you what it actually compiles to. That can be illuminating. I think this is beyond your immediate question but: There are other fancier ways to get at multiple associated values aligned across several fields. Generally involves WHEN, BY.EXP, BY.EXP.DSND keywords. You also need to make sure the I descriptors have an M in 6 and a common association name defined in 7. Regards, cds On 12/27/2013 1:08 PM, Wols Lists wrote: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER.3 0001: I 0002: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER3 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] REVISE - how do tou delete a mv association
Somebody help me, please. I don't think I've used it since it was called ENTRO on PI. I can only see the command line syntax for revise. I want to delete a set of values from several associated fields. CONTROL -Screen 1-FIRST SCREEN Fri Dec 27 15:03:03 2013 1 CONTROLBC.PRINTER S1 == FIRST SCREEN S2 == PTR.LINO PTR.NAME PTR.OS CHANGE= S2 -- CONTROL -Screen 2-PTR.LINO PTR.NAME PT Fri Dec 27 15:03:48 2013 CONTROL== BC.PRINTER No. LINO PTR.NAME... PTR.OS 11 ZEBRAANC\\prtsvr\ZEBRAANC 22 ZEBRAATL\\prtsvr\ZEBRAATL 33 ZEBRABOI\\prtsvr\ZEBRABOI 44 ZEBRACLT\\prtsvr\ZEBRACLT 55 ZEBRACVG\\prtsvr\ZEBRACVG 66 ZEBRADEN\\prtsvr\ZEBRADEN 77 ZEBRAEDC\\prtsvr\ZEBRAEDC 88 ZEBRAICT\\prtsvr\ZEBRAICT ---if I want to delete this... 99 ZEBRAJAX\\prtsvr\ZEBRAJAX 10 10 ZEBRAMEM\\prtsvr\ZEBRAMEM 11 11 ZEBRAPDX1 \\prtsvr\ZEBRAPDX1 Change which line item=--- need cmd to delete value 8 from the assoc? Or do I choose 8 and delete it from the next sub-screen? CONTROL -Screen 2-PTR.LINO PTR.NAME PT Fri Dec 27 15:06:33 2013 CONTROL==BC.PRINTERLine== 8 2 PTR.LINO 8 3 PTR.NAME ZEBRAICT 4 PTR.OS \\prtsvr\ZEBRAICT CHANGE= here ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BASIC code - upper, lower, CamelCase, what say you?
If you use mixed case, what search tools comparitors do you use when researching your program libraries? Particularly if you have programs written in different styles over the years. What formatting tools do you use? On 12/20/2013 10:01 PM, Bobby Worley wrote: First off - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. I'm starting to write a lot of new BASIC (Universe 11.1) subroutines for our DesignBais application, and since I'll be starting with a blank code template instead of modifying existing code, and I thought 'hey why not join the 21st century' and make the code look more mainstream, and readable. (falling back on our last TEXMUG presentation by Clif Oliver on refactoring). And considering Universe 11.2 now supports local subroutines and functions, I should make the code look and behave more object-like. Does anyone know of a set of rules or guidelines on how to do this?Just experimenting briefly, Universe BASIC compiler will allow any mix of cases for keywords, but variables are case sensitive. Example: ED BP TEST ABC=1 Abc=2 abc=3 PRINT ABC Print Abc pRiNt abc stop end RUN TEST 1 2 3 So, how are developers mixed case in their code these day? Do keywords, local variables, common variable, equates follow a standard method? thanks in advance, ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UniVerse Training
Perry, you could just teach it instead. Actually, there's some significant changes in user management at 11.1. It looks like the Unidata-based Data Replication is pretty tightly integrated. There are some new logs, but that's pretty straightforward. I think I took an internals class back at maybe 9.6 or so. I'd like to to take it again. Chuck On 10/25/2013 8:25 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: I've signed up for it a couple of times in the past only to have it cancelled due to lack of participation :( -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ladd, Ryan Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:53 AM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse Training I believe the internals class you are referring to is now called UV910 - Universe theory and practice. I've included a link, but it doesn't look like they are offering it anytime soon. http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2-training-uv910-universe-theory-and-practice Ryan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Pflugfelder Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:25 AM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] UniVerse Training Does anyone know if the UniVerse internals class is being offered anymore? It something that I've always wanted to attend, but I was never able to get approved. I think I can get it approved now, but it seems like the course isn't being taught anymore. If it's not available, is there any option to get the course materials? I've tried reaching out to u2train...@rocketsoftware.commailto:u2train...@rocketsoftware.com and haven't gotten any response. On a somewhat similar topic, does anyone know anything about U2 UniVersity? The information on their web page (http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2-university) is a little out of date, mentioning University 2012. Nothing about 2013 or 2014. Thanks! -Mike ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Some of these responses have been really good. Thanks, all. Does anyone see any value in U2 Certification from Rocket? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Dick Pick
Now I want to see page 146. On 9/26/2013 5:16 PM, Brian Leach wrote: This photo of Dick Pick was doing the rounds at a client this week - from Jonathan Sisk's site: http://jes.com/gfx/people/csn_1983_11_28_antigrav_dick_001.jpg ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Remember GTAR? Back in olden days Camelot, I mean Prime, was kind enough to tell us what the outstanding issues were. Not just tell us what the issue was after it was fixed. Gosh, that would be nice. cds ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Thank-you, Ryan. We don't use triggers. Mostly because it makes RAID difficult. And it used to be a serious performance hit I don't know how true that is today. I am looking forward to using the new @IDX.IOTYPE because we do have a couple pseudo-trigger index using an I-descriptor subroutine to update a file. There is an issue or 2 in the release notes about indexed subroutines that do updates. 11.1.0UNV-4025 Prior to this release, updates performed within a UniVerse BASIC subroutine called through an indexed I-type may have failed when the index update was being done within a transaction. For example, if the file containing the indexed I-type was updated within a BEGIN TRANSACTION/END TRANSACTION block in a UniVerse BASIC program, any updates done in the indexed subroutine could fail. I haven't seen that corruption. I don't know when it was introduced. They don't tell us that. cds On 9/25/2013 9:01 PM, Ladd, Ryan wrote: Chuck, Two other new parameters that may require changing are SHM_GNTBLS and SHM_GNPAGES. The What you need to know for Eleven-One document mentions these, but in the segment that called Shared Memory Parameters that should not require changing. The key word in that statement is should. When we upgraded on AIX to 11.1.4 from 10.3.9 the defaults were used and we ran out of GCT entries fairly early in the day. I would also say that if you use dynamic files with i-type indices as well as triggers, pay close attention to the patches. You may need to modify your TXMEM parameter to avoid write errors for larger records. I remember change to the FMT statement. I believe the fix was the addition of the FMT_TEXTMARK configurable. We were lucky with that one and noticed the issue before upgrading our production environment. Ryan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rick Nuckolls Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:16 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Chuck, I agree that they took a simple (but fine) route on the local scoping. What is funny is that the interpretation of it seems to be that it allows the overriding of the production version of subroutines rather than simply creation of a safe version of gosub. It should work for both; I just never pictured it that way. Be sure to read the install notes on 11, in particular, the NUSERS config item is new important. Fixtool finally seems to work well. I know that a lot of work has gone into that over the previous couple of years. Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Thanks, Rick. They're finally getting in your desired variable scoping into 11.2, too. From what I read, I like how they did it. My prejudice against being an early adopter of major releases kicks in makes me not want 11.2.0. 11.2.4 maybe. Also, if I wait until November, my window closes. The vast majority of the issues listed in the 11.1 release notes have to do with stuff we don't use at all (DR, DARE, MQ, etc), or use so minimally that complete regression testing is easy (XML, callHTTP, etc.) There were several issues having to do with indexing. I think if I validate the indexes after regression tests, that should suffice. Issues that involve locking are trickier. It will require load testing and lock contention. I am not looking forward to that. The only time in my whole career that I recall having any problem with backward compatibility after a UV upgrade is also the only time I've seen a day's worth of work for an entire company abandoned and the previous night's backups restored. There was an undocumented change to FMT was made that ended up truncating out data, if I recall. It's in the U2-list archives. Some of the same people who suffered through that are with me now. cds On 9/25/2013 12:53 AM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: Chuck, We currently have one machine running 11.1.12 with no real problems. 11.1.13 is basically a one, only-on-severe-load, bug fix, and even then, unlikely. There is at least one thing that I am expecting in 11.2 that is worth waiting for, assuming it shows up. I did not see it in the public beta. I think that 11.2 is supposed to be out around Nov 1. -Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) Release
[U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) ReleaseDate Issues 11.1.13 Sept 2013 3 brand new. 11.1.12 June 201338 rescinded 11.1.11 Mar 201330 Metadata Manager introduced. 11.1.10 Dec 2012 66 11.1.9 May2012 75 11.1.8 ? 2 11.1.7Dec 2011 3 11.1.6? 4 11.1.5Nov 2011 42 11.1.4Aug 2011 17 11.1.3Jun 2011 17 11.1.2May 2011 29 11.1.1Feb 2011 45 11.1.0? 23 I generally tend to not be an early adopter when the major release first comes out unless it has a new functionality that I have a strong business need for. The later point releases tend to be bug fixes, so I am more prone to get them sooner rather than wait. In this case though, we have new functionality, Metadata Manager, introduced at 11.1.11. Are many users on 11.1.11? Happy? If i understand correctly, 11.1.12 was pulled off the market because of a bug that was fixed in 11.1.13, which just came out. So not much experience in the wild with these 2. Which one did / would you choose to upgrade to 11.1? TIA Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Thanks, Rick. They're finally getting in your desired variable scoping into 11.2, too. From what I read, I like how they did it. My prejudice against being an early adopter of major releases kicks in makes me not want 11.2.0. 11.2.4 maybe. Also, if I wait until November, my window closes. The vast majority of the issues listed in the 11.1 release notes have to do with stuff we don't use at all (DR, DARE, MQ, etc), or use so minimally that complete regression testing is easy (XML, callHTTP, etc.) There were several issues having to do with indexing. I think if I validate the indexes after regression tests, that should suffice. Issues that involve locking are trickier. It will require load testing and lock contention. I am not looking forward to that. The only time in my whole career that I recall having any problem with backward compatibility after a UV upgrade is also the only time I've seen a day's worth of work for an entire company abandoned and the previous night's backups restored. There was an undocumented change to FMT was made that ended up truncating out data, if I recall. It's in the U2-list archives. Some of the same people who suffered through that are with me now. cds On 9/25/2013 12:53 AM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: Chuck, We currently have one machine running 11.1.12 with no real problems. 11.1.13 is basically a one, only-on-severe-load, bug fix, and even then, unlikely. There is at least one thing that I am expecting in 11.2 that is worth waiting for, assuming it shows up. I did not see it in the public beta. I think that 11.2 is supposed to be out around Nov 1. -Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) ReleaseDate Issues 11.1.13 Sept 2013 3 brand new. 11.1.12 June 201338 rescinded 11.1.11 Mar 201330 Metadata Manager introduced. 11.1.10 Dec 2012 66 11.1.9 May2012 75 11.1.8 ? 2 11.1.7Dec 2011 3 11.1.6? 4 11.1.5Nov 2011 42 11.1.4Aug 2011 17 11.1.3Jun 2011 17 11.1.2May 2011 29 11.1.1Feb 2011 45 11.1.0? 23 I generally tend to not be an early adopter when the major release first comes out unless it has a new functionality that I have a strong business need for. The later point releases tend to be bug fixes, so I am more prone to get them sooner rather than wait. In this case though, we have new functionality, Metadata Manager, introduced at 11.1.11. Are many users on 11.1.11? Happy? If i understand correctly, 11.1.12 was pulled off the market because of a bug that was fixed in 11.1.13, which just came out. So not much experience in the wild with these 2. Which one did / would you choose to upgrade to 11.1? TIA Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] universe 11.1 triggers via indexing and @IDX.IOTYPE sample
Thanks, Troy. I was going to write that after I got to 11.1. (The upgrade was scheduled for Q3, but I hear rumours it got bumped because salesmen just sold something we can't do - yet. It pays the bills.) Troy, I want to borrow your code, but I want to include proper attribution in the program header. Chuck On 8/27/2013 7:02 PM, Buss, Troy (Contractor, Logitek Systems) wrote: Regarding the recent discussion of using indexes as triggers, I use the following to update timestamps of record changes to a master item stats file that we use for controlling updates to a business warehouse (BW). Without modifying hundreds of legacy programs to support proper timestamps in the primary records, I added the following indexed Idescriptors to files I need to track. We are on universe 11.1.1 and this has been working well for over a year. DICT AR-INVOICE INDEX..MODIFIEDZ 0001 I 0002 SUBR(ZIDESC.ITEMSTATS.UPDATE, AR-INVOICE!:F0,) 0004 \ 0005 1L 0006 S 0049 used to create item created, modified, delete in zitemstats file - create index with this and no.nulls keyword EOI 216 bytes In this example, we have a AR-INVOICE header record and a related ARLI line item file. For our purposes to keep in sync with the BW, we want to timestamp the corresponding header record whenever a line item is updated so the ARLI dict item also updates AR-INVOICE header ZITEMSTATS with an I indirect update flag. DICT ARLI INDEX..MODIFIEDZ 0001 I 0002 SUBR(ZIDESC.ITEMSTATS.UPDATE, ARLI!:F0,):SUBR(ZIDESC.ITEMSTATS.UPDATE, AR-INVOICE!:F1,I) 0004 \ 0005 1L 0006 S 0049 used to create item created, modified, delete in zitemstats file - create index with this and no.nulls keyword EOI 264 bytes Alternate Key Index Summary for file ARLI File... ARLI Indices 3 (0 A-type, 0 C-type, 0 D-type, 3 I-type, 0 SQL, 0 S-type) Index Updates.. Enabled, No updates pending Index name Type BuildNulls In DICT S/M Just Unique Field num/I-type INDEX..MODIFIEDZ INot Reqd No Yes SL NSUBR(ZIDESC.ITE MSTATS.UPDATE, ARLI!:F0,):S UBR(ZIDESC.ITEM STATS.UPDATE, AR-INVOICE!:F1, I) Subroutine ZIDESC.ITEMSTATS.UPDATE: 0001 SUB (RETURN.VALUE, ZITEMSTATS.ID, OPTIONS) 0002 * updates zitemstats with timestamps; create, modified, deleted 0003 * 0004 * Revision history: 0005 * 0006 * tdb.1190 2012-04-22_1602 new 0007 * 0008 * 0009 * input: ZITEMSTATS.ID item id to use for ZITEMSTATS file 0010 * OPTIONS 0011 *I update attb 5 with I for indirect reference 0012 * 0013 * output: RETURN.VALUE NULL 0014 * 0015 * common vars: /ZITEMSTATS/ 0016 * 0017 * called by: INDEX..MODIFIEDZ dictionary items 0018 * calls: 0019 * 0020 * notes: 0021 * 0022 * 0023 $OPTIONS TIME.MILLISECOND 0024 * 0025 * @idx.iotype = 0 - Not being used from an index; 0026 * 1 - INSERT (new) record; 0027 * 2 - DELETE record; 0028 * 3 - Derive old index value; 0029 * 4 - Derive new index value; 0030 * 0031 COMMON /ZITEMSTATS/ F.ZITEMSTATS, ZITEMSTATS.FLAG.OPEN, ZITEMSTATS.WHO 0032 * 0033 EQU NUL TO 0034 * 0035 RETURN.VALUE = NUL 0036 * 0037 * the following handles initial call and logto commands 0038 * 0039 IF NOT(ZITEMSTATS.FLAG.OPEN) OR (@WHO # ZITEMSTATS.WHO) THEN 0040 OPEN ZITEMSTATS TO F.ZITEMSTATS ELSE 0041 RETURN ;* to caller. 0042 END 0043 * 0044 ZITEMSTATS.FLAG.OPEN = 1 0045 ZITEMSTATS.WHO = @WHO 0046 END 0047 * 0048 LOG.TYPE = NUL 0049 * 0050 BEGIN CASE 0051 CASE @IDX.IOTYPE = 0 0052 * 0053 CASE @IDX.IOTYPE = 1 0054 LOG.TYPE = C ;* new - created - easier to see than 'N' new 0055 * 0056 CASE @IDX.IOTYPE = 2 0057 LOG.TYPE = D ;* delete 0058 * 0059 CASE @IDX.IOTYPE = 3 0060 * 0061 CASE @IDX.IOTYPE = 4 0062 LOG.TYPE = M ;* modified 0063 * 0064 END CASE 0065 * 0066 IF LOG.TYPE # NUL THEN 0067 * 0068 DATE.NOW = DATE() 0069 TIME.NOW = TIME() 0070 * 0071 * handle instance of midnight between date/time functions 0072 * 0073 IF DATE.NOW # DATE() AND TIME() TIME.NOW THEN DATE.NOW = DATE() 0074 * 0075 TIMESTAMP = DATE.NOW * 86400 + TIME.NOW 0076 * 0077 READU ZITEMSTATS$ FROM F.ZITEMSTATS, ZITEMSTATS.ID ELSE ZITEMSTATS$ = NUL 0078 * 0079 INDIRECT.FLAG = COUNT(OPTIONS, I) 0080 * 0081 IF INDIRECT.FLAG THEN 0082 ZITEMSTATS$1 = M ;* modified 0083 END ELSE 0084 ZITEMSTATS$1 = LOG.TYPE 0085 END 0086 * 0087 * created 0088 * 0089 IF INDIRECT.FLAG ELSE 0090 IF LOG.TYPE = C THEN 0091 ZITEMSTATS$2 = TIMESTAMP 0092 END 0093 END 0094 * 0095 * modified 0096 * 0097 ZITEMSTATS$3 = TIMESTAMP 0098 * 0099 * deleted 0100 * 0101
Re: [U2] Select from one file with save-list from another file
I'm with Ian. Maybe Ian and I don't understand the question. The other answers seem so complicated. Brandon, Replace Ian's example Y.PACKET.ID with whatever is thereal name in DICT X.INFO pointing to what you describa ase Y.INFO's key exists as a foreign key somewhere in X.INFO. Give Ian's code a try and see if it gives you what you want. You don't even need to do the SAVE.LIST GET.LIST. That's just so you can have the list for later use or examination. Chuck On 8/28/2013 1:32 AM, McGowan, Ian wrote: At least on Unidata you can put the foreign key in the select statement, and that's the id that will be used: #SELECT X WITH STATUS = ccc Y.PACKET.ID #SAVE.LIST L1 #GET.LIST L1 #LIST Y If you put two atb names in the select, they are interleaved in the resulting saved list, which can be a quick way to export some data... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hilk, Brandon Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:24 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Select from one file with save-list from another file Hello! UniVerse 10.1, HP/UX, Pick. Is there a way I can build a save-list from a selection from one file X.INFO (where the record ID is an 8 digit number) and use that list to select from file Y.INFO (where that 8 digit number is not the record ID but does exist as a foreign key elsewhere in the file). In SQL this would be considered a join and would look something like this: select * from X.INFO, Y.INFO where X.INFO.packet.id=Y.INFO.packet.id and X.INFO.status='ccc'; I can run this in TCL and have it return the results I want but can't build a save-list from it because I don't know the UniVerse/SQL syntax to do so. So to summarize, is there a way to use a save-list built from X.INFO to make another save-list comprised of the record ID's from Y.INFO? Thanks for any advice you can give. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Select from one file with save-list from another file
P.S. If there is a many::1 relationship between X.FILE Y.FILE, i.e., if more than 1 X.FILE record can have the same Y.INFO foreign key in it, do this: SELECT X.FILE WITH STATUS = cc SAVING UNIQUE Y.PACKET.ID LIST Y.FILE On 8/28/2013 9:56 AM, Charles Stevenson wrote: I'm with Ian. Maybe Ian and I don't understand the question. The other answers seem so complicated. Brandon, Replace Ian's example Y.PACKET.ID with whatever is thereal name in DICT X.INFO pointing to what you describa ase Y.INFO's key exists as a foreign key somewhere in X.INFO. Give Ian's code a try and see if it gives you what you want. You don't even need to do the SAVE.LIST GET.LIST. That's just so you can have the list for later use or examination. Chuck On 8/28/2013 1:32 AM, McGowan, Ian wrote: At least on Unidata you can put the foreign key in the select statement, and that's the id that will be used: #SELECT X WITH STATUS = ccc Y.PACKET.ID #SAVE.LIST L1 #GET.LIST L1 #LIST Y If you put two atb names in the select, they are interleaved in the resulting saved list, which can be a quick way to export some data... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hilk, Brandon Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:24 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Select from one file with save-list from another file Hello! UniVerse 10.1, HP/UX, Pick. Is there a way I can build a save-list from a selection from one file X.INFO (where the record ID is an 8 digit number) and use that list to select from file Y.INFO (where that 8 digit number is not the record ID but does exist as a foreign key elsewhere in the file). In SQL this would be considered a join and would look something like this: select * from X.INFO, Y.INFO where X.INFO.packet.id=Y.INFO.packet.id and X.INFO.status='ccc'; I can run this in TCL and have it return the results I want but can't build a save-list from it because I don't know the UniVerse/SQL syntax to do so. So to summarize, is there a way to use a save-list built from X.INFO to make another save-list comprised of the record ID's from Y.INFO? Thanks for any advice you can give. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Globally catalogs - source code
Hello LeRoy, Haven't seen you on u2-list for a while. Are you still in South Africa? I'm just up the road a piece (well, 3000 km, not necessarily paved) from you in Dar es Salaam as of last month. Chuck Stevenson On 8/21/2013 5:43 AM, LeRoy Dreyfuss wrote: Many are in APP.PROGS in the UV account. Regards, LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 4 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Do you avoid TRIGGERS because of the difficulty using DEBUG or RAID with them? Was: Universe Triggers
@IDX.IOTYPE Thanks to a fellow u2-list member who mailed me privately. I think David Hona was maybe thinking of that, but it's available at 11.1, not 10.1. Chuck On 8/5/2013 6:23 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: Rocket added an @variable (don't recall the name of it) that tells which call is being made. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Do you avoid TRIGGERS because of the difficulty using DEBUG or RAID with them? Was: Universe Triggers David, I didn't understand your 1st clause, Now that (from UV10.1) Index-based triggers are officially supported, By index-based triggers, I assume you mean the trick of indexing an I-descriptor that calls a subroutine that updates some other file, which is generally not the sort of thing you expect such a subroutine to do. What is this official support? Did I miss an announcement, a change in the documentation, or a whitepaper? And by support - just to get my hopes up beyond all reason - does that mean they've introduced some mechanism (@variable?) to help distinguish among calls of the subroutine for insert (where indexing calls the subroutine once, to find the new value to index) delete (where indexing calls the subroutine 1x, to find the value to delete), and change (where indexing calls the subroutine 2x, once with the old version of the record, once with the new, to see whether the indexed value has changed and, if so, what to delete, what to add. Distinguishing these has always been tricky for the general case. Hope springs eternal, Chuck On 8/1/2013 12:32 PM, Hona, David wrote: Now that (from UV10.1) Index-based triggers are officially supported, can these replace your SQL-based triggers? These have less functionality and less overhead, but that's the price you have to pay Can't say I had a chance to try it for myself...yet...! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] Do you avoid TRIGGERS because of the difficulty using DEBUG or RAID with them? Was: Universe Triggers How many people avoid using triggers BECAUSE of the virtual impossibility of using RAID with Triggers? On 7/26/2013 12:33 PM, Phil Walker wrote: I won't be holding my breath Charles ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 9:22 p.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers re. triggers Raid, I could not agree with Phil more. Well said. Come on, Rocket! On 7/19/2013 1:32 AM, Phil Walker wrote: Ken, I am glad you raised the issue about debugging a program with a file which has a trigger attached. I have been on to UV (Vmark/Ardent/IBM/Rocket for ages about fixing this pushing for the ability to be able to step into the trigger code, but at a VERY MINIMUM being able to debug the program and perform the write on the file, and in effect step over the trigger subroutine and carry on debugging. The issue is the trigger subroutine cannot support input, so what UV have done is basically say you are using the debugger so you are inputting debug commands so you will abort. They need to turn this restriction off for debugging so that either of the above two scenarios is supported. In a Microsoft world I can debug anything through the connected world of web/databases etc.. Have had no feedback from UV -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ford Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 9:48 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers Dan, In addition to the other responses you have received, I suggest the following: 1. Have one master file trigger subroutine (globally catalogued) that calls subroutines (locally catalogued) tailored to individual files. This means you don't have to stop and restart Universe when a new trigger is required or a change to an existing one. If the master subroutine changes, you do have to restart Universe. 2. Use a control record that records the subroutine name and state of the trigger for each file having a trigger. 3. Use a program to change the state of a trigger, using the control records in 2 above. 4. Make sure all background processes that have a file with a trigger open are logged out when recompiling the subroutine for that file trigger. 5. Remember that you can't do anything to a file with an active trigger whilst in the RAID debugger (it will crash). Rather, if you are testing a file trigger subroutine, drop the trigger and use a trigger testing program that calls
Re: [U2] [UV] Do you avoid TRIGGERS because of the difficulty using DEBUG or RAID with them? Was: Universe Triggers
David, I didn't understand your 1st clause, Now that (from UV10.1) Index-based triggers are officially supported, By index-based triggers, I assume you mean the trick of indexing an I-descriptor that calls a subroutine that updates some other file, which is generally not the sort of thing you expect such a subroutine to do. What is this official support? Did I miss an announcement, a change in the documentation, or a whitepaper? And by support - just to get my hopes up beyond all reason - does that mean they've introduced some mechanism (@variable?) to help distinguish among calls of the subroutine for insert (where indexing calls the subroutine once, to find the new value to index) delete (where indexing calls the subroutine 1x, to find the value to delete), and change (where indexing calls the subroutine 2x, once with the old version of the record, once with the new, to see whether the indexed value has changed and, if so, what to delete, what to add. Distinguishing these has always been tricky for the general case. Hope springs eternal, Chuck On 8/1/2013 12:32 PM, Hona, David wrote: Now that (from UV10.1) Index-based triggers are officially supported, can these replace your SQL-based triggers? These have less functionality and less overhead, but that's the price you have to pay Can't say I had a chance to try it for myself...yet...! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] Do you avoid TRIGGERS because of the difficulty using DEBUG or RAID with them? Was: Universe Triggers How many people avoid using triggers BECAUSE of the virtual impossibility of using RAID with Triggers? On 7/26/2013 12:33 PM, Phil Walker wrote: I won't be holding my breath Charles ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 9:22 p.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers re. triggers Raid, I could not agree with Phil more. Well said. Come on, Rocket! On 7/19/2013 1:32 AM, Phil Walker wrote: Ken, I am glad you raised the issue about debugging a program with a file which has a trigger attached. I have been on to UV (Vmark/Ardent/IBM/Rocket for ages about fixing this pushing for the ability to be able to step into the trigger code, but at a VERY MINIMUM being able to debug the program and perform the write on the file, and in effect step over the trigger subroutine and carry on debugging. The issue is the trigger subroutine cannot support input, so what UV have done is basically say you are using the debugger so you are inputting debug commands so you will abort. They need to turn this restriction off for debugging so that either of the above two scenarios is supported. In a Microsoft world I can debug anything through the connected world of web/databases etc.. Have had no feedback from UV -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ford Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 9:48 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers Dan, In addition to the other responses you have received, I suggest the following: 1. Have one master file trigger subroutine (globally catalogued) that calls subroutines (locally catalogued) tailored to individual files. This means you don't have to stop and restart Universe when a new trigger is required or a change to an existing one. If the master subroutine changes, you do have to restart Universe. 2. Use a control record that records the subroutine name and state of the trigger for each file having a trigger. 3. Use a program to change the state of a trigger, using the control records in 2 above. 4. Make sure all background processes that have a file with a trigger open are logged out when recompiling the subroutine for that file trigger. 5. Remember that you can't do anything to a file with an active trigger whilst in the RAID debugger (it will crash). Rather, if you are testing a file trigger subroutine, drop the trigger and use a trigger testing program that calls the subroutine after taking a copy of the record being changed, pausing whilst you change it in another session, and then resuming, calling the subroutine. If you would like samples of any of the software mentioned above, let me know, and I can send them to you. Regards, Ken Ford Universe Software Developer t 07 3013 8605 | f 07 3002 8400 e ken.f...@firstmac.com.au | w firstmac.com.au ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Fwd: Re: What is true
On UV, if you want to see if parentheses make a difference, write similar lines with without, compile, VLIST to decomiple the object to a readable form. It reads like assembler, but you have the source line with it so it's really really easy to figure out what it's doing. Building on Tom Tony's examples: CT CDS.BP PAREN.TEST PAREN.TEST 0001IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' ;* Test 1 0002IF A THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' 0003 0004CALL FOO( X, Y, Z ) ;* Test 2 0005CALL FOO( X, Y, (Z) ) 0006CRT Z 0007 0008X = Y = 3 ;* Test 3 0009 END VLIST CDS.BP PAREN.TEST 1:IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' ;* Test 1 1 0 : 2DE testfw A 00014: 1 8 : 046 crtcrlfTRUE 1 E : 0C2 jump 0001A: 1 00014 : 046 crtcrlfFALSE 2:IF A THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' 2 0001A : 2DE testfw A 00030: 2 00024 : 046 crtcrlfTRUE 2 0002A : 0C2 jump 00036: 2 00030 : 046 crtcrlfFALSE 3: 4:CALL FOO( X, Y, Z ) ;* Test 2 4 00036 : 01E call FOO X Y Z 5:CALL FOO( X, Y, (Z) ) 5 00042 : 0F8 move Z = _T 5 00048 : 01E call FOO X Y _T 6:CRT Z 6 00054 : 046 crtcrlfZ 7: 8:X = Y = 3 ;* Test 3 8 0005A : 06E eq Y 3 = X 9: END 9 00062 : 190 stop Test 1:Lines 1 2 compile exactly the same. parens didn't matter. Test 2: It doesn't take a genius to see that _T is some sort of temporary variable that the compiler created. Enclosing in parentheses is a way to pass by value instead of by address. Z will remain unchanged by CALL FOO(X,Y,(Z)), since _T is what's really passed back forth, then ignored upon return. Original Message Subject:Re: [U2] What is true Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:51:49 -0400 From: Tom Whitmore tewhitm...@ratex.com Reply-To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Here is a simple program I wrote and ran on UV 11.1.9. It would be interesting to hear if UD behaves the same way. 0001: A='' 0002: CRT 'A = ':QUOTE(A):' ': 0003: IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' 0004: A=0 0005: CRT 'A = ':QUOTE(A):' ': 0006: IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' 0007: A='HELLO' 0008: CRT 'A = ':QUOTE(A):' ': 0009: IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' 0010: A=1 0011: CRT 'A = ':QUOTE(A):' ': 0012: IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' The results are: A = FALSE A = 0 FALSE A = HELLO TRUE A = 1 TRUE Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jim Swain Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:24 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What is true This is not true as when A='HELLO' IF (A) returns true. You use the parenthesis to set a Boolean variable, i.e BRITISH = (COUNTRY = 'ENGLAND' OR COUNTRY = 'WALES') etc the var BRITISH is set to 1 when the conditions inside the parenthesis are met, otherwise BRITISH is set to 0 Jim Swain - Developer Telephone: +44 (0) 1295 701 810 | Fax: +44 (0) 1295 701 819 www.zafire.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What is true
And then there's the query language: Suppose INVOICED field is supposed to be true or false. Stored as 1 or 0, but maybe left null in some records (We've all been there.): SELECT CUSTOMER WITH INVOICED If INVOICED is 0 or null, will said CUSTOMER record be selected or not? UV selects if 0, but excludes if null. Do all MV platforms work that way? On 7/31/2013 11:06 AM, Martin Phillips wrote: Hi, About the true/false thing, I always use 0 and 1 but I was chastised about that by a colleague recently, that it might not be completely cross-platform, and now I stutter on it every time I do that, wondering if I'm not really following a best practice I seem to recall this same topic being discussed a year or two back, perhaps in a different group. In the multivalue world, the language definition says that anything that returns true/false returns 1 for true, 0 for false. Anything that interprets a value as true/false treats zero and a null string as false, everything else as true. This definition holds for all multivalue products but not necessarily in other languages. Any new multivalue product that breaks this definition is probably doomed to failure because migration of existing applications would become a nightmare task. In our type variant world where we have no such thing as a Boolean data type, it is very easy to write statements such as INVOICED = 1 Is INVOICED a Boolean variable, perhaps telling us in this case that an invoice has been raised? Or, is it a state flag with multiple values for which this might be indicating a type of invoice that has been sent? There is no way for the reader to tell. At risk of starting a whole new discussion on programming style (and I start form the viewpoint that there are many acceptable styles, it is more important to be consistent), this is probably best resolved by use of tokens. I have for many years held an interesting opinion that a program should never have any hard coded numeric values except perhaps zero, not that I adhere rigidly to my own opinion. The above line becomes something like INVOICED = TRUE or INVOICED = INV.PDF Now, all is clear(er) to the reader. Prime Information introduced @FALSE and @TRUE as symbolic constants (0 and 1 respectively) to avoid the need for our own equated tokens and several other multivalue products have followed this convention. Of course, nothing is ever completely black and white. As multivalue Basic has developed, internal data types have gone beyond simply numbers and strings. If I write IF FVAR THEN ... where FVAR is a file variable, what do I expect this to do? The language definition does not tell us but most multivalue products would give us a data type error of some sort because there is no rule for transforming a file variable to a Boolean value. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe Triggers
re. triggers Raid, I could not agree with Phil more. Well said. Come on, Rocket! On 7/19/2013 1:32 AM, Phil Walker wrote: Ken, I am glad you raised the issue about debugging a program with a file which has a trigger attached. I have been on to UV (Vmark/Ardent/IBM/Rocket for ages about fixing this pushing for the ability to be able to step into the trigger code, but at a VERY MINIMUM being able to debug the program and perform the write on the file, and in effect step over the trigger subroutine and carry on debugging. The issue is the trigger subroutine cannot support input, so what UV have done is basically say you are using the debugger so you are inputting debug commands so you will abort. They need to turn this restriction off for debugging so that either of the above two scenarios is supported. In a Microsoft world I can debug anything through the connected world of web/databases etc.. Have had no feedback from UV -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ford Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 9:48 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers Dan, In addition to the other responses you have received, I suggest the following: 1. Have one master file trigger subroutine (globally catalogued) that calls subroutines (locally catalogued) tailored to individual files. This means you don't have to stop and restart Universe when a new trigger is required or a change to an existing one. If the master subroutine changes, you do have to restart Universe. 2. Use a control record that records the subroutine name and state of the trigger for each file having a trigger. 3. Use a program to change the state of a trigger, using the control records in 2 above. 4. Make sure all background processes that have a file with a trigger open are logged out when recompiling the subroutine for that file trigger. 5. Remember that you can't do anything to a file with an active trigger whilst in the RAID debugger (it will crash). Rather, if you are testing a file trigger subroutine, drop the trigger and use a trigger testing program that calls the subroutine after taking a copy of the record being changed, pausing whilst you change it in another session, and then resuming, calling the subroutine. If you would like samples of any of the software mentioned above, let me know, and I can send them to you. Regards, Ken Ford Universe Software Developer t 07 3013 8605 | f 07 3002 8400 e ken.f...@firstmac.com.au | w firstmac.com.au ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [UV] Do you avoid TRIGGERS because of the difficulty using DEBUG or RAID with them? Was: Universe Triggers
How many people avoid using triggers BECAUSE of the virtual impossibility of using RAID with Triggers? On 7/26/2013 12:33 PM, Phil Walker wrote: I won't be holding my breath Charles ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 9:22 p.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers re. triggers Raid, I could not agree with Phil more. Well said. Come on, Rocket! On 7/19/2013 1:32 AM, Phil Walker wrote: Ken, I am glad you raised the issue about debugging a program with a file which has a trigger attached. I have been on to UV (Vmark/Ardent/IBM/Rocket for ages about fixing this pushing for the ability to be able to step into the trigger code, but at a VERY MINIMUM being able to debug the program and perform the write on the file, and in effect step over the trigger subroutine and carry on debugging. The issue is the trigger subroutine cannot support input, so what UV have done is basically say you are using the debugger so you are inputting debug commands so you will abort. They need to turn this restriction off for debugging so that either of the above two scenarios is supported. In a Microsoft world I can debug anything through the connected world of web/databases etc.. Have had no feedback from UV -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ford Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 9:48 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Triggers Dan, In addition to the other responses you have received, I suggest the following: 1. Have one master file trigger subroutine (globally catalogued) that calls subroutines (locally catalogued) tailored to individual files. This means you don't have to stop and restart Universe when a new trigger is required or a change to an existing one. If the master subroutine changes, you do have to restart Universe. 2. Use a control record that records the subroutine name and state of the trigger for each file having a trigger. 3. Use a program to change the state of a trigger, using the control records in 2 above. 4. Make sure all background processes that have a file with a trigger open are logged out when recompiling the subroutine for that file trigger. 5. Remember that you can't do anything to a file with an active trigger whilst in the RAID debugger (it will crash). Rather, if you are testing a file trigger subroutine, drop the trigger and use a trigger testing program that calls the subroutine after taking a copy of the record being changed, pausing whilst you change it in another session, and then resuming, calling the subroutine. If you would like samples of any of the software mentioned above, let me know, and I can send them to you. Regards, Ken Ford Universe Software Developer t 07 3013 8605 | f 07 3002 8400 e ken.f...@firstmac.com.au | w firstmac.com.au ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Benton Scheduler
And I'm even more pleased to hear Dr. Leitner still graces us with his presence. Cheers, Lee! Chuck On 7/19/2013 8:00 PM, Riverman wrote: Thanks to all the speedy responders. I am pleased Benton is still alive and well, according to Google you do not exist. Searches only returned dead links. Benton has served us well for many years and our organisation looks forward to many more years of faithful service. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Running total
The important general idea is this: Use the @-buffer to get the result of the i-desc calculation from the *previous* record to apply it to the calculation for the *current* record. (RetrieVe inits @-buffers to null (which goes to 0) when the sentence executes.) I don't think this works for UD's uniQuery. From Martin's response, I'm guessing not for QM, either. Kate's non-compound solution, @1+F1, is superior to my own, @2+F1; @1, because it allows nesting this I-descriptor inside a 2nd. For example, if you want to use this as part of running-weighted-averages. Better still, ADDS(@,F1) or @ + SUMMATION( @ ) because they handle multivalues. I knew you all could come up with the details to suit your purposes. The important piece of the puzzle is extracting the previous record's calculation for use in the next record's calculation. Another example of the same idea is to see if a value has changed process accordingly, effectively a breakpoint control inside an i-descriptor: 2 : @2; CUST.ID; IF @1 = @2 THEN [logic for same customer as last time] ELSE [logic for next customer] (The above would only be useful on a presorted list.) cds On 7/4/2013 5:04 AM, Kate Stanton wrote: I could only find doc for this in the System Description manual, where it talks about using @ in I-type expressions, where @ is the previous one (just resolved), @1 is result of first sentence (separated by ;), @2 is result of 2nd sentence, etc. I could not see an example of using the result from the previous record, but it works. BTW, with multi-values, ADDS(@1,F26) works. V1 of first record adds to V1 of 2nd, etc. I can't think of where we could use it, but it depends on your file structure. On 4 July 2013 11:47, Peter Cheney peter.che...@firstmac.com.au wrote: I believe the expression in the second example is referred to as a compound expression? Can't put my finger on the exact documentation but I seem to recall that compound expressions are broken up into parts (for want of a better term) delimited by a ';' and each part can be referenced throughout the entire expression by an @ number e..g. @1 refers to the first part and the nth part is @n etc. So for: LIST VOC SIZE EVAL SIZE + @2;@ My take on how this works is the the first part of the expression (SIZE + @2) can be referenced later on as @1, The second part is referenced as @ (instead of @2) and I believe is used to refer to the result of the entire expression (sum of all the parts). Can @ in this case also be referenced as @2? It probably could but would break the expression. Therefore the reference to @2 is causing the expression to grab the entire result using contents of @ (via @2 thus keeping it separate to @) and add it to SIZE which then becomes the new result (@) of the expressions and the whole thing is repeated. Does that sound about tight? Or have I got it way wrong? Cheers Peter Peter Cheney Universe Engineer t 07 3017 8837 | f 07 3002 8400 e peter.che...@firstmac.com.au | w www.firstmac.com.au From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [ u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] on behalf of Wjhonson [ wjhon...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013 7:31 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; donr_w...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [U2] Running total Can anyone explain this situation better. I've only ever used the @ to simplify a few I-descriptors. I have a dict item SIZE that is just the LEN(@RECORD) So in this thread we've seen two EVAL solutions to a running total LIST VOC SIZE EVAL @1+SIZE LIST VOC SIZE EVAL SIZE + @2;@ In the first example is the @1 just saving the previous result of THIS eval ? And then in the second example does the fact that SIZE is first in the Eval, effectively *push* the accumulator into position two or something? So that's why you need @2 ? And then what would be the meaning of ;@ at the end of that? Pretty confusing stuff! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Running total
LIST NEWACC BYTES EVAL BYTES+@2;@
VOC. Bytes.. BYTES+@2;@
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On 7/2/2013 11:29 AM, Martin Phillips wrote:
Hi,
As far as I know, the only way to do this in U2 is to use either a common
variable or one of the @USERn variables in a subroutine to
accumulate the result. Handling multi-values is not hard (as below). Getting
this to work for breakpoint lines is a bit more
awkward.
For example, using UniVerse's demonstration sales database (INITIALIZE.DEMO), I
can create an I-type named ACCUM that reads
I
subr('ACCUMULATE', ITEM.TOTAL)
MD2
Cumulative
8R
M
BOUGHT
and a program catalogued as ACCUMULATE
function accumulate(item)
common /total/tot
if @ni = 1 then tot = 0
x = ''
n = dcount(item, @vm)
for i = 1 to n
tot += item1,i
x1,i = tot
next i
return (x)
end
I can then do
LIST ORDERS PROD.NO SELL QTY ITEM.TOTAL ACCUM
@ID.. Product No Sell. Qty. Item Total Cumulative
10002 605 $40.00 1 $40.00 40.00
501 $5.00 1 $5.00 45.00
502 $5.00 1 $5.00 50.00
504 $5.00 1 $5.00 55.00
10006 112 $6.00 3 $18.00 73.00
10004 704$115.00 1 $115.00 188.00
301 $10.00 9 $90.00 278.00
10005 502 $5.00 9 $45.00 323.00
10003 202 $5.0010 $50.00 373.00
204 $5.0010 $50.00 423.00
10001 112 $6.00 7 $42.00 465.00
418 $27.00 4 $108.00 573.00
704$115.00 1 $115.00 688.00
10007 301 $10.00 3 $30.00 718.00
Maybe Rocket can be persuaded to implement the CUMULATIVE field modifier
keyword that we have in QM to make this trivial
Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems Ltd
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
+44 (0)1604-709200
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Teach me again how to do a running total in a Access/Recall/English report.
I haven't done one in years, but I seem to recall that it's possible.
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Re: [U2] Running total
Martin, True, you might need mv-handling subrs for mv fields. Which are always fun. (I hate to concede that correlatives might actually be better at something, but I do wish there were a way to write a variation of an I-descriptor where you could code single value logic, with the value looping implied, like *cough* correlatives do. There, I said it. It's in writing. On the internet.) But, Martin, the method does NOT fail if you have multiple I-descriptors. It did on PI, but not on UV. UV uses seperate @-buffers for each I-descriptor, insulating i-descriptors from each other. I don't think the method works on UD at all. Tongue firmly in cheek, where it still hurts from biting it praising correlatives: The downside is you can't do fancy things like pass information between I-descriptors via @-buffers like you could on PI. That kind of i-descriptor hotshot programming was excellent for job security because no one else had a hope of deciphering it. When I was young I explored the outer limits before settling on a reasonable mix of when to write a subroutine and when to do everything in native I-descriptor line 2. I wonder how long it took Lynden to undo some of that after I left? (Be gentle now, Rick.) George's remarks about presorting are spot-on. For breakpoints: @NB, TOTAL() with keyword CALC are your friends. They should be in everyone's RetrieVe uniQuery repertoire. Chuck On 7/2/2013 3:48 PM, Martin Phillips wrote: Hmmm. Simpler than my approach but it fails with multivalues or with queries that have other I-types in them. Martin -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: 02 July 2013 13:07 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Running total LIST NEWACC BYTES EVAL BYTES+@2;@ VOC. Bytes.. BYTES+@2;@ ADDX 47 47 CHDIR 53100 ENDPAGE 54154 LNUM 64218 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Martin, Those are details I hadn't heard. Thanks, Chuck On 6/12/2013 7:36 AM, Martin Phillips wrote: I can add that I think VMark rewrote Prime Information in C which really boosted the performance. I think they called it Prime Info or something like that. I'm not sure about this. As far as I know, once VMark took ownership of Prime Information, they gently retired it. Are you thinking of PI/open? If so, I was one of the technical managers for its development. PI/open started life in Prime Australia where the intention was to write it using a macro assembler called K9. Shortly after they got started, Prime Australia was closed and development moved to the UK. I took a look at K9 and decided that it was the wrong way to go as it made assumptions about the underlying processor architecture that were not necessarily valid if we wanted portability without massive rewriting efforts. I made a decision that the core of PI/open would be written in C. This was highly contentious. I can recall a project meeting in which the VP of Engineering stated that my continued employment was dependent on this being successful. At the time, Prime's C compiler was not good and there was much doubt about whether it would produce good code. One of my team was tasked with finding a good C compiler. He took the interesting approach of constructing a very devious program that used all manner of C operations to construct and display the ubiquitous Hello World string. Comparison of the resulting object code from a variety of compilers showed that some were not that good whereas one of them evaluated the entire process within the compiler and just generated a print of the literal string. A few performance critical bits of PI/open were still written in assembler but I put a rule in place that there must be a C equivalent too. It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release the marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it would be launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have imposed a huge delay. With C, it took just a few changes to recompile everything. Phew! I still had a job. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Record Sampling for File Sizing Diagnostics
SAMPLED keyword with a D on the end will go thru the entire file. SAMPLED 1000 will get every thousandth record as it reads through the file. SAMPLED 1000 SAMPLE 2000 will do the same, but then stop after it builds a list of 2000. That is, after it's read thru the 1st 2 million keys. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Perry Taylor perry.tay...@zirmed.comwrote: I have several *very* large files on which I need to perform some file sizing diagnostics. Rather than repeatedly running HASH.AID against these files is there a good way to sample say 2-3 million records to copy into a test file? SAMPLE will only grab the first n records in hash order and I'm thinking that would not necessarily be a good representative sample of the file's contents. Am I up in the night thinking this is the case? Is there a better way to get a good sample of records for this purpose? Thanks. Perry Perry Taylor Senior MV Architect ZirMed 888 West Market Street, Suite 400 Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.comhttp://www.zirmed.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UV File doesn't like being sampled?
George, Does the file have an index on the id? If so, try adding the NO.INDEX keyword. I've something similar @ UV10.2.10: -- SELECT PARTS SAMPLE 2 26417 record(s) selected to SELECT list #0. - SELECT PARTS SAMPLE 2 NO.INDEX 2 record(s) selected to SELECT list #0. - DELETE.INDEX PARTS PART_ID Removing index file PART_ID. SELECT PARTS SAMPLE 2 2 record(s) selected to SELECT list #0. - So I’m guessing that the UniVerse engineers have a glitch and didn’t consider that someone might index the id. This makes sense why SELECT PARTS SAMPLE 2 works if you already have an active select list: the index isn’t used if a select list is active. On 5/24/2013 8:52 AM, George Gallen wrote: OK. Any Ideas? I have a Type 30 file that if I use the SAMPLE modifier in the SELECT still returns the entire file, However, if I use the SAMPLE modifier in a LIST command on that same file, it only returns the sample amount. Now, it gets stranger, If I do a SELECT with the SAMPLE modifier, it returns the whole file as an active list, and if I Do another SELECT with the SAMPLE modifier on that active list, it only returns the the sample amount. So what, the file is just toying with me? I guess if I really want that sample, I have to ask twice? SELECT FILENAME SAMPLE 10 929347 record(s) selected to SELECT list #0. SELECT FILENAME SAMPLE 10 10 record(s) selected to SELECT list #0. This seems to be the only file that is behaving this way. There are no dictionary items in the file that would Interfere with the UV selection. My next step will be to create a new file, and copy over the contents, just in case there is something that Is corrupted in the file. This is on UV 10.0.2 / RH Linux ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Relative Path for SET.INDEX in Universe
At 10.1 (on Windows) I've run into trouble when filename is an F-pointer to a relative path that is not just a file resident in that account. e.g.: VOC XYZ 01: F 02: ABC/XYZ Rick, Your INDICES() result will differ depending on whether you invoke the function in the account where filename F-pointer is defined locally, or from an account where you are referencing it with a Q-pointer. There you'll get the full path. cds On 5/15/2013 11:19 PM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: Thanks, Jeff. Someone else did respond, but with caveats that he remembered non-specific issues. One definitely seems to be that INDICES() returns the partial path rather than the full one, so utilities that use that information will have an issue. -Rick On May 15, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Jeff Fitzgerald j...@fitzlong.com wrote: Rick, Don't know if you got your question about relative index answered, but this was from a post I made back in 2007: IBM tech support just made me aware of an apparently undocumented feature that was added to SET.INDEX in release 10.1 allowing a relative path for the index file. SET.INDEX filename TO RELATIVE.PATH This command will set the index pathname to ./I_filename eliminating the need to reset the index pathname when the files are copied, as long as the data file and index file are copied as a unit. Similarly: CREATE.INDEX filename indexname AT RELATIVE.PATH Wanted to share this *very* nice enhancement. Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald Long, Inc. --- Not too long after my post, Steve O'Neal made this post about a problem. Haven't tested lately to see if it's still a problem or not --- There are, of course, caveats with everything. You cannot add a second index after you make the first one, AT RELATIVE.PATH, in a typical fashion. This would be necessary if you wanted indices with different characteristics, for example, with and without NO.NULLS. This behavior occurs on AIX 5.3 and Windows XP at UniVerse 10.2 Case 422234*USA has been created. C:\Accounts\bugs\IndexRelative2C:\ibm\uv\bin\uv This directory is not set up for uniVerse. Would you like to set it up (Y/N)?Y 0. Ideal UniVerse compatibility 1. IN2 compatibility 2. Prime Information compatibility 3. PICK compatibility 4. PI/open compatibility 5. Microdata Reality compatibility Which way do you wish to configure your VOC ? 0 Your VOC is configured for Ideal UniVerse compatibility Creating file VOC as Type 3, Modulo 23, Separation 4. Creating file D_VOC as Type 3, Modulo 2, Separation 1. Loading your VOC file. (Each * = 10 records.) Loading your D_VOC file. (Each * = 10 records.) * Creating file SAVEDLISTS as Type 1. Creating file D_SAVEDLISTS as Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Added @ID, the default record for RetrieVe, to D_SAVEDLISTS. Creating file VOCLIB as Type 2, Modulo 7, Separation 4. Creating file D_VOCLIB as Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Added @ID, the default record for RetrieVe, to D_VOCLIB. UniVerse Command Language 10.2 (c) Copyright IBM Corporation 2006. All rights reserved. IndexRelative2 logged on: Thu May 17 10:16:49 2007 CREATE.INDEX VOC F2 AT RELATIVE.PATH CREATE.INDEX VOC F1 AT RELATIVE.PATH Unable to open index map C:\Accounts\bugs\IndexRelative2/VOC/INDEX.MAP for rea d/write,CREATE.INDEX VOC F1 Unable to open index map C:\Accounts\bugs\IndexRelative2/VOC/INDEX.MAP for rea d/write, --- Hope this helps! Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald Long, Inc. www.fitzlong.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Selecting a special character in a SELECT (UV)
SELECT filename WITH EVAL INDEX( @ID, CHAR(160), 1) 0 On 5/16/2013 8:41 AM, George Gallen wrote: Ok. I'm trying to find all the ID's in a file that contain the character ^160 I tried : SELECT filename WITH @ID LIKE ...^160... But that didn't work. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE
So, Perry, did you do it? Chuck On 4/25/2013 3:09 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: Before I go and resize a 144GB file has anyone had any experiences with the INPLACE option of RESIZE in UniVerse? Good, bad, ugly??? Thanks. Perry Perry Taylor Senior MV Architect ZirMed 888 West Market Street, Suite 400 Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.comhttp://www.zirmed.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE
So you remain on the ice flow with the rest of us little penguins waiting for someone else to see if the water is safe from hungry lurking seals. We'll keep watching for someone else's blood in the water. Glad you're alive. Still, 144GB! That coulda been a good show . . . Thanks, Chuck On 5/6/2013 9:50 AM, Perry Taylor wrote: I had contact with U2 Support who confirmed that the INPLACE option was not stable at our release (10.3.9) so I steered clear. I actually had the luxury of being able to create a new file and copying records so that is what I ended up doing. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE So, Perry, did you do it? Chuck On 4/25/2013 3:09 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: Before I go and resize a 144GB file has anyone had any experiences with the INPLACE option of RESIZE in UniVerse? Good, bad, ugly??? Thanks. Perry Perry Taylor Senior MV Architect ZirMed 888 West Market Street, Suite 400 Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.comhttp://www.zirmed.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] RESIZE INPLACE
Nothing like jumping into the deep end, eh, Perry? 144GB. More by the time this thread is finished. If RESIZE INPLACE fails, what is the typical kind of failure to expect? What's the worst that can happen? What has happened to others? If you do this, please let us know the result, good or bad, including the activity level on that file while the resize was happening. It's all very interesting, but as dearly as I love you all at ZirMed, I am happy to watch from a distance. This is my typical approach for resizing big files. It avoids the RESIZE command requires some, but little, downtime. I am certain Perry knows all this, but there are always new people listening in. It requires being able to identify which records have been updated recently, (e.g. indexes). That may mean a little planning ahead, anticipating future needs, such as resizes. 1. Create a new empty file the proper size and copy the entire old file into the new. 2. Create a list of all records updated since the copy began. 3. Recopy those.Repeat 23 as needed. 4. Shut off all other access to the file. (No one has it open, can open it.) 5. Create a list of all records update since last iteration of #2-3. 6. Recopy those. 7. Set.index to null on the original file -- dont forget to do this! 8. Rename to original file 9. Rename to new file to be live file 10. Set.index on the new live file. attach original indexes to new file. 11. Let users at the file. Warm regards, Chuck On 4/25/2013 3:09 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: Before I go and resize a 144GB file has anyone had any experiences with the INPLACE option of RESIZE in UniVerse? Good, bad, ugly??? Thanks. Perry Perry Taylor Senior MV Architect ZirMed 888 West Market Street, Suite 400 Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.comhttp://www.zirmed.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] WRITESEQ Error
I, for one, truly appreciate it when people post back like this when they finally find the solution to their puzzle. Thanks, Al. cds On 4/12/2013 9:59 AM, Al DeWitt wrote: We found the cause to this problem and I thought I'd share it with you. The file we append sits on a virtual PC. The VOC pointer is \\file-server\share-name\folder-name This PC is configured for automatic windows updates and automatically restarts. We had Patch Tuesday. The PC restarted fine and automatically started the application, however, the share-name stopped working. When the IT person tried to restart it he didn't do it correctly. Now that we have correctly recreated share-name all is well. Thanks for all your help. Al DeWitt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
On 3/13/2013 8:55 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote: I haven't had a single department manager tell me they want a thick client GUI in almost a decade. Anyone who is looking to me for GUI these days wants a browser. Case in point: We're in testing now with a thick-client 4GL handheld ap to be deployed to company personnel. Much biz data logic reside on local device. Interface to corporate UV db via mv.Net. But GUI on the handheld will be browser-based. We have also deployed small telnet screens (40char wide) on 4GL handheld for quick data entry in warehouse away from a normal terminal. Bar-code entry via phone camera works interfaces into telnet screen. This has been a big hit with the users! Chuck ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ISO Date Format
By the way, you can also completely eliminate the dash (or slash, etc.) delimiters: OCONV( 16507 , DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 20130311 ICONV( 20130311, DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 16507 Notice that ICONV'ing the OCONV'd or OCONV'ing the ICONVd result gets you bat to where you started. That makes it particularly useful in dict conversion fields. I learned that on this list, but I do not remember from whom. There are too many people I've learned from. cds On 11 March 2013 13:56, Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone come up with an OCONV string that will product an ISO standard date (-MM-DD)? After a vendor insisted on this last week I ended up creating a subroutine called by an I descriptor but it seems like there should be an easier way. A quick trip through the Universe Basic manual, my old Prime Info-Basic manual, and Pick Basic: A programmer's guide didn't shed any light. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [UV] User Exits was: ISO Date Format
You can do user exits on UniVerse. I thought User-defined processor codes were standard on MV platforms. For UV they are defined in the UniVerse Guide for Pick Users, Appendix A, User Exit Codes. In the past I've used the technique to create my own uparrow i-conv, o-conv code that mimicks ED's up-arrow mode. I do wish they were a bit more versitile. If I remember my pick assembler user exit coding -- which I don't! -- I think we're shy 4 hex digits of parameters that ought to be able to be passed. Or something like that. cds On 3/11/2013 10:55 AM, Tony Gravagno wrote: It's things like this that make me wish more MV platforms had user-defined processor codes. U2 excels in the versatility here. I can't use wonderful codes like this because most of my code needs to work across platforms. Wah. :'( T From: Charles Stevenson OCONV( 16507 , DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 20130311 ICONV( 20130311, DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 16507 From Brian and Robert: D-YMD[4,2,2] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ISO Date Format
Bob, I'm curious,on UD6.1 does this work, using 2 conversion codes with a value mark between? : OCONV( 16507, D-YMD[2,2,]: @VM: MCN ) -- 120311 cds On 3/11/2013 12:16 PM, Woodward, Bob wrote: I guess you need to be on a more current version of UD than 6.1 for this to work. DYMD[4,2,2] works just fine but everything I've tried is proving that in this version, anyway, there MUST be a delimiter between the parts of the date. It does not matter what delimiter as I've tried space, period, slash, even a comma but for both ICONV and OCONV adding a quote of any type, null/space/dash/etc, to the numeric only gives undesired results. I have to strip out the delimiter in OCONV results and make sure some kind of delimiter is there for ICONV to get me back to the internal date value. An interesting note is using the OCONV(IDATE,'D-YMD[2,2,2]') format, the dash can be replaced with the digits 5 to 9 but using the digits 0 to 4 result in an output delimited with a space. Would have been acceptable (and nice) to have been able to get 13003011 but oh well. I guess I could use 'D5YMD[2,2,2]' to give me the value 13503511 just as well. Fun with dates! BobW -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] ISO Date Format By the way, you can also completely eliminate the dash (or slash, etc.) delimiters: OCONV( 16507 , DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 20130311 ICONV( 20130311, DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 16507 Notice that ICONV'ing the OCONV'd or OCONV'ing the ICONVd result gets you bat to where you started. That makes it particularly useful in dict conversion fields. I learned that on this list, but I do not remember from whom. There are too many people I've learned from. cds On 11 March 2013 13:56, Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone come up with an OCONV string that will product an ISO standard date (-MM-DD)? After a vendor insisted on this last week I ended up creating a subroutine called by an I descriptor but it seems like there should be an easier way. A quick trip through the Universe Basic manual, my old Prime Info-Basic manual, and Pick Basic: A programmer's guide didn't shed any light. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ISO Date Format
What? It's 2013 already? ! ! ! ? ! Why didn't someone tell me? I set my clock ahead yesterday and everything. On 3/11/2013 1:10 PM, Woodward, Bob wrote: With a couple of corrections, yes, it did work. PRINT OCONV(16507,D-YMD[2,2,2]:@VM:MCN) This returned the value 130311. You were missing the last 2 and the year is 2013, not 2012. This was a good thought, though. Cool -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson [mailto:stevenson.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:59 AM To: U2 Users List Cc: Woodward, Bob Subject: Re: [U2] ISO Date Format Bob, I'm curious,on UD6.1 does this work, using 2 conversion codes with a value mark between? : OCONV( 16507, D-YMD[2,2,]: @VM: MCN ) -- 120311 cds On 3/11/2013 12:16 PM, Woodward, Bob wrote: I guess you need to be on a more current version of UD than 6.1 for this to work. DYMD[4,2,2] works just fine but everything I've tried is proving that in this version, anyway, there MUST be a delimiter between the parts of the date. It does not matter what delimiter as I've tried space, period, slash, even a comma but for both ICONV and OCONV adding a quote of any type, null/space/dash/etc, to the numeric only gives undesired results. I have to strip out the delimiter in OCONV results and make sure some kind of delimiter is there for ICONV to get me back to the internal date value. An interesting note is using the OCONV(IDATE,'D-YMD[2,2,2]') format, the dash can be replaced with the digits 5 to 9 but using the digits 0 to 4 result in an output delimited with a space. Would have been acceptable (and nice) to have been able to get 13003011 but oh well. I guess I could use 'D5YMD[2,2,2]' to give me the value 13503511 just as well. Fun with dates! BobW -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] ISO Date Format By the way, you can also completely eliminate the dash (or slash, etc.) delimiters: OCONV( 16507 , DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 20130311 ICONV( 20130311, DYMD[4'',2'',2] ) -- 16507 Notice that ICONV'ing the OCONV'd or OCONV'ing the ICONVd result gets you bat to where you started. That makes it particularly useful in dict conversion fields. I learned that on this list, but I do not remember from whom. There are too many people I've learned from. cds On 11 March 2013 13:56, Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone come up with an OCONV string that will product an ISO standard date (-MM-DD)? After a vendor insisted on this last week I ended up creating a subroutine called by an I descriptor but it seems like there should be an easier way. A quick trip through the Universe Basic manual, my old Prime Info-Basic manual, and Pick Basic: A programmer's guide didn't shed any light. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] FW: Clearing Input Buffer
Like David Green, I would have suggested CLEARINPUT. I'm missing something: why all these other schemes people are talking about? On 2/22/2013 1:20 PM, Al DeWitt wrote: I have an input screen (built with System Builder) where data can either be entered manually or via a barcode scanner. The screen has 3 text boxes for input. The barcode option fills two of the text boxes and is supposed to land on the third box to await input. However, the scanner must be adding an extra return or something because when I scan it the third field's Process After executes. What can I do to flush the input buffer at the end of my validation routine on my second field...or is it better to do this on the Process Before on my third field. It's more of a nuisance but it would look more professional if I could make it clean. Thanks. Albert DeWitt, CPIM ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] correlative syntax
Isn't there a T missing? OCONV(@ID,G*1); OCONV(@,FILE;X;0;0); @# TFILE ? should be: OCONV(@ID,G*1); OCONV(@,TFILE;X;0;0); @# another way is to do both correlatives in 1 oconv: OCONV(@ID,(G*1:@VM:TFILE;X;0;0))# On 2/28/2013 3:29 PM, bradley.sch...@usbank.com wrote: A coworker just ran across the following in one of our DICTs. The name of the item indicates it was written by someone who is no longer with the organization and was well known for knowing wonderful arcane UniData tidbits. We can't find anything describing what exactly is going on. The end result is very useful. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the @# bit. OCONV(@ID,G*1); OCONV(@,FILE;X;0;0); @# The file the DICT is in has a compound key: ACCOUNT.NUMBER*sequential. What this item does is grab the account number, attempt to read from FILE and return a 0 if the account doesn't exist in FILE or a 1 if it does. Pretty nifty. UD7.1 AIX5.3 TIA, Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.16 Multiple Active Select Lists
Dave, Be careful with that because LOCATE's sort BY AR or DR may be different from LIST's sort BY an R-justified field. Leading zeros, negative numbers, decimals with trailing zeros all come to mind. If I recall that inconsistency is consistent across several MV platforms. However, it might be more consistent of UD to be inconsistent with the MV-world (the MV-universe) on this point. cds On 9/24/2012 1:04 PM, Dave Davis wrote: What we do in situations like this is set up a subroutine that retrieves the list of record keys in B, given the value of the index I want to retrieve. This can then be called from an I-type in A, or from another subroutine. I do the sort the hard way (in basic) so that the keys are in the correct order, usually using LOCATE with AL or AR and INSERT ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.16 Multiple Active Select Lists
Kevin, This is a long shot, an Is-it-plugged-In-Category question, but you might as well check: On UV I got bit recently using numbered select lists because 1, 2, ... were custom items in the VOC. Some commands recognized the numbered select lists on the command line; but some read the VOC and got confused. cds On 9/24/2012 11:43 AM, Kevin King wrote: How does one manage multiple active select lists in Unidata? I could have sworn I've done this before, but for some reason it's not working at all as I recall. I have this SUBR(..) type field in file A that selects records from file B to calculate an aggregate. This works fine when listing file A and showing the field. However, if there's an active select list when file A is listed with this field, the select statement in my SUBR(..) is consuming the active select list 0 and returning incorrect results. My subroutine is $BASICTYPE U and is selecting records using the lower case select and selecting to active list #3. It then processes from list #3 and returns its result. I've tried using the RTNLIST and PASSLIST options on the EXECUTE statements and I get a Misuse of Reserved Word 'PASSLIST' or Misuse of Reserved Word 'RTNLIST'. I've tried UDTEXECUTE with no compilation errors but also no improvement on the problem. I've even tried MDPERFORM but I get the misuse errors with the RTNLIST and PASSLIST options. Oddly enough, removing $BASICTYPE U I don't get an error on MDPERFORM but I can't READNEXT from a numbered select without the $BASICTYPE U. How should I structure this SUBR(..) so that it does not consume list 0 when selecting to list 3? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer
I have 2 definitive answers. I believe both are true. I posed the question to the U2-list LinkedIn Pick Users Group (not Googlegroups).1 No one seemed to know there, either. “Q”uick seemed to be the most popular guess. Finally, there were 2 claims of certain knowledge: Brian Stone says: Dick Pick himself told me that the Q-pointer stood for Query. Jonathon Sisk says: Since my Pocket Guide was mentioned, I went to the same authority I used 31 years ago when researching it. That would be Henry, of course, who said there is no significance to the choice of the letter Q for Q-pointers. Glad to still have access for these types of questions, and sorry to disappoint those searching for deeper meaning. The Henry that Sisk mentions is, no doubt, Henry Eggers. I believe both answers. In case anyone was still interested. cds On 9/7/2012 5:25 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote: The etymology question about Q has deteriorated into a PI vs Pick discussion. In the Pick User GoogleGroup, it's about words that rhyme with orange. No one has the definitive historical answer? I thought maybe our resident historian, Dawn Wolthuis, would notice my dawning days of Pick comment and chime in. Quick is the best anyone has come up with, I guess. On 9/6/2012 9:19 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote: A newbie stumped me: Why are Q-Pointers Q pointers ? The Q lingo comes from the dawning days of Pick. Why was the letter Q chosen? Attribute makes sense. Synonym makes sense. PQ for Prestored Query makes sense. PR for Proc would have been better. D3 User Guide just says, Q-pointers are used in account master dictionaries to point to other files. UV User Ref says, Q-pointers are file definition synonyms that point to files in local and remote UniVerse accounts. Jonathon Sisk's Pick Pocket Guide doesn't help, either. PI never had Q-pointers. Clif, did Devcom consider it Questionable? I posed the same question on Pick Users GoogleGroup, but I didn't get a really satisfactory answer, yet. I'll bet someone here on the U2-List knows the true answer. Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer
True about not needing it on PI. But PI could have handled Q-pointers exactly how UV does today, if they had wanted to. Personally, I like having 1 F-Pointer and every other pointer a Q-pointer. Slightly less efficeint, but IMO more manageable. REPLACE and INSERT functions also allowed (still allow) a syntax mixing commas a semi-colon. Ugh. On 9/7/2012 10:54 AM, Wols Lists wrote: On 07/09/12 03:19, Charles Stevenson wrote: A newbie stumped me: Why are Q-Pointers Q pointers ? The Q lingo comes from the dawning days of Pick. Why was the letter Q chosen? Attribute makes sense. Synonym makes sense. PQ for Prestored Query makes sense. PR for Proc would have been better. D3 User Guide just says, Q-pointers are used in account master dictionaries to point to other files. UV User Ref says, Q-pointers are file definition synonyms that point to files in local and remote UniVerse accounts. Jonathon Sisk's Pick Pocket Guide doesn't help, either. PI never had Q-pointers. Clif, did Devcom consider it Questionable? Seeing as INFORMATION never had any use for q-pointers, I guess that's why it never had them. Bear in mind, all PI FILEs were referenced by a file pointer in the VOC where f2 was the data portion os-level filename and f3 was the dict portion, why would it need a q-pointer? And I've just remembered another reason - PI doesn't have an MD of any sort. Given that f2 of a q-pointer is an account, how would PI find the FILE? PI doesn't have the concept of account in the same way as Pick - an account was an os-level directory and there was no master list. So I guess q-pointers didn't exist because (a) they weren't needed and (b) they would have needed a MAJOR changed in behaviour to implement them (it could have been done easy enough, but it didn't fit the philosophy, and I've always admired PI because of the very clean philosophy). Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer
The etymology question about Q has deteriorated into a PI vs Pick discussion. In the Pick User GoogleGroup, it's about words that rhyme with orange. No one has the definitive historical answer? I thought maybe our resident historian, Dawn Wolthuis, would notice my dawning days of Pick comment and chime in. Quick is the best anyone has come up with, I guess. On 9/6/2012 9:19 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote: A newbie stumped me: Why are Q-Pointers Q pointers ? The Q lingo comes from the dawning days of Pick. Why was the letter Q chosen? Attribute makes sense. Synonym makes sense. PQ for Prestored Query makes sense. PR for Proc would have been better. D3 User Guide just says, Q-pointers are used in account master dictionaries to point to other files. UV User Ref says, Q-pointers are file definition synonyms that point to files in local and remote UniVerse accounts. Jonathon Sisk's Pick Pocket Guide doesn't help, either. PI never had Q-pointers. Clif, did Devcom consider it Questionable? I posed the same question on Pick Users GoogleGroup, but I didn't get a really satisfactory answer, yet. I'll bet someone here on the U2-List knows the true answer. Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer
A newbie stumped me: Why are Q-Pointers Q pointers ? The Q lingo comes from the dawning days of Pick. Why was the letter Q chosen? Attribute makes sense. Synonym makes sense. PQ for Prestored Query makes sense. PR for Proc would have been better. D3 User Guide just says, Q-pointers are used in account master dictionaries to point to other files. UV User Ref says, Q-pointers are file definition synonyms that point to files in local and remote UniVerse accounts. Jonathon Sisk's Pick Pocket Guide doesn't help, either. PI never had Q-pointers. Clif, did Devcom consider it Questionable? I posed the same question on Pick Users GoogleGroup, but I didn't get a really satisfactory answer, yet. I'll bet someone here on the U2-List knows the true answer. Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Friday type of question
If you also want to delete everything with only system delimiters but no actual data between them do something like: SELECT PERSON WITH EVAL LEN( CONVERT( @AM:@VM:@SM, , @RECORD )) = 0 or SELECT PERSON WITH EVAL SUMMATION( LENS( @RECORD )) = 0 Technically, system delimiters include chars 255 thru 248 so the 2nd form is more rigorous. On 8/31/2012 6:42 PM, Morelli, David W. wrote: Is there an easy way to determine if a record is empty? I have a saved list of a thousand or more records that have record ID's that interfere with our Ellusian database. If they are truly empty, I can do house cleaning on them. If they contain any data, I have to do a different process. When I AE into a record I get :AE PERSON 2362 Top of 2362 in PERSON, 0 lines. So, it is really empty. I believe there must be a better way than handling every one of them, but I have been away from Unidata and forgotten everything. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Comparing Two Dyamic Arrays
Mike meant NES( ), not EQS( ). and SUMMATION( ), not SUM( ). SUM( ) won't yield a scalar unless all delimiters are the same. ResultArray = NES(Array1, Array2) If summation(ResultArray)=0 then samething = true else samething = false Which is all well and good . . . as long as you consider 7 = 7.00 = 007 = 7. To address Bill Brutzman's original question: The trouble is that we don't _declare_ variables in UV/UD/MV Basic as strings or integer, etc. So UV its kin makes a best guess. UV ( kin? There may be some variance!) will attempt to compare EQ, NE, GT, their ilk the two vars numerically, if possible. That's what happens with my seven example above. All those strings are treated as equal numerically. The related multivalue handling functions, .e.g, EQS, do the same, piece by piece. If one of the two vars can't be treated numerically, then it compares as strings. This is probably as good a general solution as any using EQ: if len(Array1) EQ len( Array2 ) then ; * because len( ) is so very fast * non-numeric 'x' concatenation forces the 2 to be treated as strings: samething = ( ( 'x': Array1 ) EQ ( 'x': Array2 ) ) end else samething = @false end i don't know how the speed compares to COMPARE(), which is simpler to read. -- Chuck On 7/23/2012 3:46 PM, Bill Haskett wrote: I'm not sure this would work, as the UniData documentation for EQS states: The UniBasic EQS function compares each value in array1 to its corresponding value in array2. UniData returns an array with 1 in each position where values are equal, and 0 in each position for values that are not equal. Thus, if the following... ARRAY1 = '11':@VM:'12':@VM:'13':@VM:'20':@VM:'21' ARRAY2 = '11':@VM:'12':@VM:'13':@VM:'19':@VM:'22' ARRAY3 = EQS(ARRAY1,ARRAY2) ...then the resultant ARRAY3 would look like: '1':@VM:'1':@VM:'1':@VM:'0':@VM:'0' On the other hand, the following... ARRAY1 = '11':@VM:'12':@VM:'13':@VM:'20':@VM:'21' ARRAY2 = '11':@VM:'12':@VM:'13':@VM:'20':@VM:'21' ARRAY3 = EQS(ARRAY1,ARRAY2) ...would assign ARRAY3 to look like: '1':@VM:'1':@VM:'1':@VM:'1':@VM:'1' ...and: SUM(ARRAY3) ...would equal 5, which would only indicate equality if SUM(ARRAY3) = DCOUNT(ARRAY3, @VM) Does this make sense? With mixed @AMs @VMs I suspect one would have to loop through the result array comparing. Is UniData different than UniVerse? Bill - Original Message - *From:* mfarr...@premdor.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 7/23/2012 1:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Comparing Two Dyamic Arrays Try: ResultArray = EQS(Array1, Array2) If sum(ResultArray)=0 then samething = true else samething = false ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] RESIZE - dynamic files
Chris, I can appreciate what you are doing as an academic exercise. You seem happy how it looks at this moment, where, because you set MINIMUM.MODULUS 118681, you ended up with a current load of 63%. But think about it: as you add records, the load will reach 70%, per SPLIT.LOAD 70, then splits will keep occuring and current modlus with grow past 118681. MINIMUM.MODULUS will never matter again. (This was described as an ever-growing file.) If the current config is what you want, why not just set SPLIT.LOAD 63 MINIMUM.MODULUS 1. That way the ratio that you like today will stay like this forever. MINIMUM.MODULUS will not matter unless data is deleted. It says to not shrink the file structure below that minimally allocated disk space, even if there is no data to occupy it. That's really all MINIMUM.MODULUS is for. Play with it all you want, because it puts you in a good place when some crisis happens. At the end of the day, with this file, you'll find your tuning won't matter much. Not a lot of help, but not much harm if you tweak it wrong, either. On 7/5/2012 1:20 PM, Chris Austin wrote: Rick, You are correct, I should be using the smaller size (I just haven't changed it yet). Based on the reading I have done you should only use the larger group size when the average record size is greater than 1000 bytes. As far as being better off with the defaults that's basically what I'm trying to test (as well as learn how linear hashing works). I was able to reduce my overflow by 18% and I only increased my empty groups by a very small amount as well as only increased my file size by 8%. This in theory should be better for reads/writes than what I had before. To test the performance I need to write a ton of records and then capture the output and compare the output using timestamps. Chris ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] RESIZE - dynamic files
Good explanation, Brian! To anyone who skipped it because it looked long: read it anyway. cds On 7/4/2012 5:26 AM, Brian Leach wrote: Sorry to those who already know this, but maybe it's time to go over linear hashing in theory .. Linear hashing was a system devised by Litwin and originally only for in-memory lists. In fact there's some good implementations in C# that provide better handling of Dictionary types. Applying it to a file system adds some complexity but it's basically the same theory. Let's start with a file that has 100 groups initially defined (that's 0 through 99). That is your minimum starting point and should ensure that it never shrinks below that, so it doesn't begin it's life with loads of splits right from the start as you populate the file. You would size this similarly to the way you size a regular hashed file for your initial content: no point making work for yourself (or the database). As data gets added, because the content is allocated unevenly, some of that load will be in primary and some in overflow: that's just the way of the world. No hashing is perfect. Unlike a static file, the overflow can't be added to the end of the file as a linked list (* why nobody has done managed overflow is beyond me), it has to sit in a separate file. At some point the amount of data held in respect of the available space reaches a critical level and the file needs to reorganize. Rather than split the most heavily populated group - which would be the obvious thing - linear hashing works on the basis of a split pointer that moves incrementally through the file. So the first split breaks group 0 and adds group 100 to the end of the file, hopefully moving around half the content of group 0 to this new group. Of course, there is no guarantee that it will depending on key structure) and also no guarantee that this will help anything, if group 0 isn't overflowed or populated anyway. So the next write may also cause a split, except now to split group 1 into a new group 101, and so forth. Eventually the pointer will reach the end and all the initial 100 groups will have been split, and the whole process restarts with the split pointer moving back to zero. You now have 200 groups and by this time everything should in theory have levelled out, but in the meantime there is still overloading and stuff will still be in overflow. The next split will create group 200 and split half of group 0 into it, and the whole process repeats for ever. Oversized records ( buffer size) also get moved out because they stuff up the block allocation. So why this crazy system, rather than hitting the filled groups as they get overstuffed? Because it makes finding a record easy. Because linear hashing is based on a power of 2, the maths is simple - if the group is after the split point, the record MUST be in that group (or its overflow). If it is before the split point, it could be in the original group or the split group: so you can just rehash with double the modulus to check which one without even having to scan the groups. What makes the implementation difficult is that Litwin et al were all assuming a single threaded access to an in-memory list. Concurrent access whilst maintaining the load factor, split pointer and splitting all add a lot more complexity, unless you lock the whole file for the duration of an IO operation and kill the performance. And coming back to the manual, storing large numbers of data items - even large ones - in a type 19 file is a bad idea. Traversing directories is slow, especially in Windows, and locking is done against the whole directory. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] RESIZE - dynamic files
SMAT -d (or ANALYZE.SHM -d) see uv/bin/smat[.exe] uv/bin/analyze.shm[.exe] Dynamic Files: Slot # Inode Device Ref Count Htype Split Merge Curmod Basemod Largerec Filesp Selects Nextsplit 0 1285128087 209307792516208050 4001 2048 3267 2782736 0 1954 1 153221440 151542860060208050 397040 262144 1628 58641084 0134897 2 1155376080 317006236 6208050 81 64 1628 133616 018 3 924071961 976405761 2208050 957 512 1628 1249180 0 446 4 619894993 1297457141 1208050 1157 1024 1628 3837400 0 134 5 1401440370 656655020 6218050 213429 131072 1628 54052576 0 82358 6 1053905064 1350670129 2208050 365 256 1628 529956 0 110 7 963519080 1084306943 2208050 2564 2048 1628 4019040 0 517 8 1909033200 47372346598208050 3851 2048 3267 12775756 0 1804 etc. Because of the concurrency difficulties that Brian mentioned . . . On 7/4/2012 5:26 AM, Brian Leach wrote: What makes the implementation difficult is that Litwin et al were all assuming a single threaded access to an in-memory list. Concurrent access whilst maintaining the load factor, split pointer and splitting all add a lot more complexity, unless you lock the whole file for the duration of an IO operation and kill the performance. . . . is why UV reserves a table in shared memory for dynamic files, per SMAT -d. The 1st user that opens the file causes the control info in the file header to be loaded to shared memory, where it remains until Ref Count drops to 0. (It also get written to the file whenever there is a change. At least on modern versions.) Rick's post makes good sense if you work the numbers in the SMAT table. Notice that (Curmod - Basemod) + 1 = Nextsplit (off by 1 because groups start at 0.) As Rick pointed out, Basemod is always a power of 2. It is used by the hashing algorithms. E.g., That 64 will eventually change to 128 or 32, once enough splits or merges happen. Notice also that the future Nextsplit group number is set, i.e., predictable. Remember Brian Rick (others?) saying that split/merge decisions are determined by the entire file load, not which individual group that might happen to be in heavy overload? They were right: it is methodical. Chris, Notice that every number in the Split, Merge, Largerec columns are the default values. Although I do have exceptions, any random grab of 9 files like this would likely show straight default values. Generally, fine-tuning isn't worth the bother. It's more bang for the IT buck to buy more memory, disk than to pay Brian or Rick to squeeze performance out of type-30 files. cds ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UniVerse LIST statement question [not-secure]
What Brian said, except don't replace LIST! Rather, write your subroutine to be called from an I-descriptors: MARKH 0001 FUNCTION MARKH( INARG ) 0002 COMMON /MARKH/ START.IDT, END.IDT, PREV.ID, VLIST 0003 * 0004 * Assumes common has been initialized properly before this function 0005 * is called from i-descriptors 0006 * 0007 IF @ID = PREV.ID ELSE 0008 IDTS = @RECORD 10 0009 VLIST = 0010 VMC = 0 0011 VMAX = DCOUNT( IDTS, @VM ) 0012 FOR V = 1 TO VMAX 0013 IDT = IDTS1,V 0014 IF IDT = START.IDT THEN IF IDT = END.IDT THEN VLIST-1 = V 0015 NEXT V 0016 END 0017 * 0018 OUTARG = 0019 MORE = LEN( VLIST ); * true/false 0020 LOOP WHILE MORE 0021 REMOVE V FROM VLIST SETTING MORE 0022 OUTARG1,-1 = INARG1, V 0023 REPEAT 0024 SETREM 0 ON VLIST 0025 * 0026 RETURN( OUTARG ) 0027END An example using it is below. It's more flexible and maintainable in the long run than tossing RETRIEVE altogether. (Actually, I do think it can be done with the mv-handling functions but an I-descriptor subroutine will be more maintainable.) Your sub should limits the output to the values you want. If every value is out of range, your subr returns null. It can be called for various associated fields, and the 1st time called for a given @ID it figures out the value range, and saves to labeled common what vals you want for that record. Subsequent calls to the sub, as long as @ID hasn't changed, gets the already calculated value range from common, and applies it to the field you pass it. The only trick is feeding your subroutine the date range you won't know until runtime.I don't know a good way to feed an I-descriptor command line parameters such as = 6/1/2012 = 6/30/2012 You'll need to set them in a control record or, better, in @USER1, @USER2, or in your labeled common before the LIST is executed. Use the I-descriptors that call your subroutine as output criteria and not WITH or WHEN selection criteria. The guts of the subr will do the selection limits. That may not be altogether clear. Here's an example. 1st the relevant dict entries then an example: DICT RTAG09:45:22am 03 Jul 2012 Page1 Field. Type Field Conversion.. Column. Output Depth Name.. Field. Definition... Code Heading Format Assoc.. Number LOCD3 12LS EVENT.CODE D8Event 4L M EVENT .ASSOC Code EVENT.DT D 10 D2/ Event 8R M EVENT .ASSOC Date PRINTERD 13 15LS MARKH.CODE I SUBR( Event 4L M MARKH 'MARKH', .ASSOC EVENT.CODE ) Code MARKH.DT I SUBR( D2/ Event 8R M MARKH 'MARKH', .ASSOC EVENT.DT ) Date MARKH.ASSOCPH MARKH.LINO MARKH.CODE MARKH.REF MARKH.DT MARKH.TM MARKH.WHO MARKH.DTM 7 records listed. RUN CDS.BP MARKH.INIT 4/1 4/30 LIST RTAG LOC PRINTER EVENT.CODE EVENT.DT MARKH.CODE MARKH.DT LIST RTAG LOC PRINTER EVENT.CODE EVENT.DT MARKH.CODE MARKH.DT 09:46:05am 03 Jul 2012 PAGE1 Return.. LOC. PRINTER Event Event... Event Event... Tag. Code. Date Code. Date 5137176 TPAWHSE-IN ZEBRATPAPRINT 02/08/12 NEW 11/04/11 10009741 EROCWHSE-OUT PI04/26/12 PI 04/26/12 NEW 04/26/12 NEW 04/26/12 5135103 PROCWHSE-DEF REQ 12/30/11 REQ 12/30/11 ASGN 12/30/11 FREE 11/03/11 5134267 EROCDPO-DIN ZEBRATPAI 03/01/12 PRINT 02/08/12 REQ 12/09/11 ASGN 12/09/11 FREE 11/03/11 10010396 DFWWHSE PI05/22/12 NEW 05/22/12 5119929 SI04/10/12 SI 04/10/12 NEW 09/20/11 10004562 CROCWHSE-OUT ZEBRAEROC PRINT 04/04/12 PRINT 04/04/12 PRINT 01/31/12 PRINT 01/24/12 PRINT
Re: [U2] UniVerse LIST statement question [not-secure]
Ed is quite right.
1: I just did it for simplicity in the example.
2: @SENTENCE, without a wrapper: you have do get ReTrieve to ignore
part of the sentence. I've never come up with a good way to do that
other than via EVAL. Anyone?
3. EVAL: Yes, it is a way to pass run-time parameters!
I tend to forget about it because I - personally - don't like it in
production.
EVAL means dictionaries can't be read-only.
And they tend to permanently leave temporary I-descriptors scattered
in the dicts if when something terminates abnormally.
RetrieVe rudely spits the EVAL compilation report into the output, too.
If you have multiple associated columns, if your usage gets fancy
(that (future) option is a reason for this approach), then your EVAL may
need ASSOC, ASSOC.WITH, MULTIVALUED keywords, besides AS, FMT, COL.HDG.
Other than that, I love EVAL.
On 7/3/2012 11:08 AM, Ed Clark wrote:
There are 3 ways I can think of offhand to tell the subroutine what date range
to use. I like #3 the best:
1: use common variables, which is what the example function MARKH does. The
downside is that you have to assign the common variables before you run the
query.
2: You could use @SENTENCE in the function and parse out the date range. That
could be easy or hard depending on how many people write queries and what odd
contortions of syntax they use. But both #1 and #2 could be simplified by
writing a wrapper program. An example command line would look like:
QLAUNCH 06/01/2012 06/30/2012 ~ LIST MYFILE INRANGE
QLAUNCH parses arguments before the '~` delimiter and puts them into a common.
The INRANGE attribute calls the function MARKH which uses the common.
3: use the function directly from the command line with EVAL:
LIST MYFILE EVAL SUBR('MARKH','06/01/2012','06/30/2012') AS MYCOL COL.HDG
WHATEVER FMT 11L
It's wordier, but you have very fine-grained control over what comes out on the
report. COL.HDG, and FMT are optional and AS is optional in this case. You
would us it if you wanted to sort or break on the EVAL column.
On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Charles Stevenson wrote:
What Brian said, except don't replace LIST!
Rather, write your subroutine to be called from an I-descriptors:
MARKH
0001 FUNCTION MARKH( INARG )
0002 COMMON /MARKH/ START.IDT, END.IDT, PREV.ID, VLIST
0003 *
0004 * Assumes common has been initialized properly before this function
0005 * is called from i-descriptors
0006 *
0007 IF @ID = PREV.ID ELSE
0008 IDTS = @RECORD 10
0009 VLIST =
0010 VMC = 0
0011 VMAX = DCOUNT( IDTS, @VM )
0012 FOR V = 1 TO VMAX
0013 IDT = IDTS1,V
0014 IF IDT = START.IDT THEN IF IDT = END.IDT THEN VLIST-1 = V
0015 NEXT V
0016 END
0017 *
0018 OUTARG =
0019 MORE = LEN( VLIST ); * true/false
0020 LOOP WHILE MORE
0021 REMOVE V FROM VLIST SETTING MORE
0022 OUTARG1,-1 = INARG1, V
0023 REPEAT
0024 SETREM 0 ON VLIST
0025 *
0026 RETURN( OUTARG )
0027END
An example using it is below.
It's more flexible and maintainable in the long run than tossing RETRIEVE
altogether.
(Actually, I do think it can be done with the mv-handling functions but an
I-descriptor subroutine will be more maintainable.)
Your sub should limits the output to the values you want. If every value is out
of range, your subr returns null. It can be called for various associated
fields, and the 1st time called for a given @ID it figures out the value range,
and saves to labeled common what vals you want for that record. Subsequent
calls to the sub, as long as @ID hasn't changed, gets the already calculated
value range from common, and applies it to the field you pass it.
The only trick is feeding your subroutine the date range you won't know until runtime.I don't
know a good way to feed an I-descriptor command line parameters such as = 6/1/2012
= 6/30/2012
You'll need to set them in a control record or, better, in @USER1, @USER2, or
in your labeled common before the LIST is executed.
Use the I-descriptors that call your subroutine as output criteria and not WITH
or WHEN selection criteria. The guts of the subr will do the selection limits.
That may not be altogether clear. Here's an example.
1st the relevant dict entries then an example:
DICT RTAG09:45:22am 03 Jul 2012 Page1
Field. Type Field Conversion.. Column. Output Depth
Name.. Field. Definition... Code Heading Format Assoc..
Number
LOCD3 12LS
EVENT.CODE D8Event 4L M EVENT
.ASSOC
Code
EVENT.DT D 10 D2/ Event 8R M EVENT
.ASSOC
Date
PRINTERD 13 15LS
MARKH.CODE I SUBR( Event 4L
Re: [U2] RESIZE - dynamic files
Chris, Let's back way up. I take it your original question is a general one, not specific to one poorly performing problematic file. Is that right? If so, generally speaking, you just don't get a lot out of fine-tuning dynamic files. Tweaking the default parameters doesn't usually make a whole lot of difference. Several people have said something similar in this thread. Other than deciding which hashing algorithm, I generally use the defaults and only tweak things once the file proves problematic, which usually means slow I/O. When a problem erupts, look carefully at how that specific file is used, as Susan others have said. You might get hold of FitzgeraldLong's paper on how dynamic files work. If you understand the fundamentals, you'll understand how to attack your problem file, applying the ideas Rick others have talked about here. You may go several years without having to resort to that. Chuck Stevenson On 7/2/2012 2:22 PM, Chris Austin wrote: I was wondering if anyone had instructions on RESIZE with a dynamic file? For example I have a file called 'TEST_FILE' with the following: 01 ANALYZE.FILE TEST_FILE File name .. TEST_FILE Pathname ... TEST_FILE File type .. DYNAMIC File style and revision 32BIT Revision 12 Hashing Algorithm .. GENERAL No. of groups (modulus) 83261 current ( minimum 31 ) Large record size .. 3267 bytes Group size . 4096 bytes Load factors ... 80% (split), 50% (merge) and 80% (actual) Total size . 450613248 bytes How do you calculate what the modulus and separation should be? I can't use HASH.HELP on a type 30 file to see the recommended settings so I was wondering how best you figure out the file RESIZE. Thanks, Chris ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] uv/win - PHANTOM JOBS not sync'ed
Manu, Look up the commands NOTIFY and MESSAGE. If I recall, either or both of those can configure the parent session to receive or block the child phantom's message. The PHANTOM command has a BRIEF keyword, too. That is supposed to prevent the phantom from sending the message. It doesn't sound as if that is your problem, though. I think 1 of those 3 ought to control suppressing/enabling those messages, but, frankly, I'm having the opposite problem: I can't seem to be able to turn it off !? On top of that, although I do not recall that phantoms are supposed to skip ON.EXIT, that seems to be the case here.I'm on 10.2.10 / Windows. Chuck On 6/15/2012 7:59 AM, Manu Fernandes wrote: Hi, VOC entry look exactly like NEWACC. One more info, PHANTOM process finishs but I'm not NOTIFIED about it ; it comes probably from the same trouble. Thanks for your attention. Manu JOBS 01 Verb - Show which PHANTOM jobs are running 02 JOBS 03 I 04 G PHANTOM 01 Verb - Create a PHANTOM task to perform a specified operation 02 PHANTOM 03 I -Message d'origine- De : u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] De la part de Wjhonson Envoyé : jeudi 14 juin 2012 18:26 À : u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Objet : Re: [U2] uv/win - PHANTOM JOBS not sync'ed Post the VOC entry for JOBS -Original Message- From: Manu Fernandes e...@infodata.lu To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 7:11 am Subject: [U2] uv/win - PHANTOM JOBS not sync'ed Hi group, A strange behavior on Universe/Windows. When I start a PHANTOM, it starts correctly, do his works and finish properly ; no more PORT.STATUS, no more WindowsTaskManagerProcessus). But JOBS command continue to report it Running. Any idea what wrong in the system ? rights ? Manu ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [UV] Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. ( SYS.MESSAGE 040019 )
Does anyone have a complete list of what kinds of problems will throw this error? RUN CDS.BP X Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. uv\errlog: Tue Jun 12 15:54:05 12848 cdstevenson Program X: Line 2, Message[040019] Although I generated it here by attempting to write a record with a system delimiter in the Id: 01 OPEN 'CDSTMP' TO F ELSE STOP 201 02 WRITE '' TO F, 'ABC':@VM:'XYZ' while I have UVCONFIG's param prohibiting that: ALLOWMARKS 0 Yet, I fear there are several sundry ways to yield up that generic message. Care to contribute to the list? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. ( SYS.MESSAGE 040019 )
Thanks, but does UD have the same error numbers as UV? Something similar, but not exactly the same as SYS.MESSAGE, uv/errlog file, right? I'm looking for causes of that particular 040019 WRITE failure. A very particular number for a very generic error. (A wonderful documentation enhancement would be a better description of the error codes and their possible causes.) On 6/12/2012 3:52 PM, Martin Braid wrote: Not a complete list, but on UD ... You are writing a key containing an asterisk into a DIR type file. Permissions. A programming error to do with STATUS in a global Trigger routine. Possible problem with e.g. McAfee not releasing at NT level fast enough. Martin -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: 12 June 2012 21:02 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. ( SYS.MESSAGE 040019 ) Does anyone have a complete list of what kinds of problems will throw this error? RUN CDS.BP X Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. uv\errlog: Tue Jun 12 15:54:05 12848 cdstevenson Program X: Line 2, Message[040019] Although I generated it here by attempting to write a record with a system delimiter in the Id: 01 OPEN 'CDSTMP' TO F ELSE STOP 201 02 WRITE '' TO F, 'ABC':@VM:'XYZ' while I have UVCONFIG's param prohibiting that: ALLOWMARKS 0 Yet, I fear there are several sundry ways to yield up that generic message. Care to contribute to the list? Epicor Software (UK) is a limited company registered in England Wales. Registration Number: 2338274. Registered Office: 6th Floor, One London Wall, London EC2Y 5EB This e-mail is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. Any views and/or opinions expressed in this e-mail are of the author only and do not represent the views of Epicor Software (UK) Limited or any other company within its group. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. ( SYS.MESSAGE 040019 )
Another cause: If the write is to a record that someone else has locked (shame on you for not explicitly locking it 1st), the 040019 error occurs on 20 minute timeout. (That default can be changed.) Search for 040019 on this list's archives. There are several less than definitive discussions about it. That's where I've encountered it. Went on a wild goose chase recently looking for that cause until I found the value-mark-in-the-id problem also causes it. David Jordan's sounds similar: mv data where single-valued expected. How many others? On 6/12/2012 3:01 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote: Does anyone have a complete list of what kinds of problems will throw this error? RUN CDS.BP X Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. uv\errlog: Tue Jun 12 15:54:05 12848 cdstevenson Program X: Line 2, Message[040019] Although I generated it here by attempting to write a record with a system delimiter in the Id: 01 OPEN 'CDSTMP' TO F ELSE STOP 201 02 WRITE '' TO F, 'ABC':@VM:'XYZ' while I have UVCONFIG's param prohibiting that: ALLOWMARKS 0 Yet, I fear there are several sundry ways to yield up that generic message. Care to contribute to the list? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Program X: Line 2, WRITE failure. ( SYS.MESSAGE 040019 )
Here's from a similar discussion from 2005 below. No solution then. But I just thought of something I wish I'd thunk of 7 years ago. I can't make a write cough up 040019 during this condition, but maybe someone else can build on on it: For type-19, all ids hash to the same lock semaphore set for the lock table. If the lock table isn't big enough, you lock a lot of them (e.g., you forgot to release them by mistake) it is very easy to get this: READU threshold reached, lock on XYZ denied! (The hashing for the lock table is similar in principle to file hashing. The device, inode, the target id's group number determine which lock semaphore applies. For type-19 there is no group, so same semaphore for entire dir.) cds -Original Message- From: Anmol Chandrakant Khopade Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] DATABASE write problem Hi, I am facing a problem wherein a WRITE operation to a type 19 file is failing in some cases. The call to STATUS() function within the ON ERROR clause returns error 40019. Strangely this problem does not occur for all the writes operations, but approximately 100 times (out of 60K write operations). The record id contains the current time, so it doesn't seem to be an issue of 2 concurrent writes using the same record id. A point to note that this file has read and writes happening simulatneously i.e. A process keeps writing records, while the other process keeps on polling this file to read the records. Any pointers to the below points will be highly appreciated 1. Documentation where the error number can be looked up (40019 in this case) 2. If anyone has encountered a similar problem with write operation on a type 19 files, and has a solution, it would really help. Thanks in advance Warm regards Anmol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Why did this compile??
A Pickism, not a Prime-ism. Prime demanded that you say FMT( TRIM( LINE3, ~ ) if that's what you meant. VLIST the program it will be obvious how it compiled. cds On 6/7/2012 1:47 PM, David Wolverton wrote: Look at this line of code... TEST.STRING = TRIM(LINE1):~:TRIM(LINE3)~:TRIM(LINE4) See how it is missing the : between3)~ ?? Neither did I ... and the program compiled and ran without a complaint in UniData 7.2.12 -- but Obviously I was getting bogus results on the other side!! I'm trying to figure out why this was 'allowed' ... I'm ready this and thinking this should have tripped a compile message of SOME type! Just one of those 'how weird is this' things I thought I'd share since it cost me about an hour to find!! DW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Do indexes record mv pos ?
It's working as designed. PI did it better the workaround for other flavours is: $OPTIONS PIOPEN.SELIDX From basic ref pdf, under SELECTINDEX: Note: If index is multivalued, each value is indexed even if the field contains duplicate values in the same record. Except in PIOPEN flavor accounts, such duplicate values are returned to list.number. To prevent the return of duplicate key values, use the PIOPEN.SELIDX option of the $OPTIONS statement. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] matrix dimension
So LARGE.ARRAY is 2-dimensional SMALL.ARRAY is 1 dimensional. The real value of INMAT is telling the SIZE of (each) dimension. Yes, I'm deliberately being picky. I've found it very frustrating to be hard-limited to 1- or 2-dimnsional arrays. What would be so wrong to allow: DIM BETTER.ARRAY( 23, 14, 10, 2, 3 ) Seems like it would be an easy enough feature to add, completely backward compatible. Why isn't dimension arbitrary? On 5/23/2012 3:01 PM, Wally Terhune wrote: Extracted from the UniBasic Commands Reference for INMAT() In the next example, the program segment dimensions two arrays and then prints the dimensions using the PRINT statement and INMAT function: DIM LARGE.ARRAY(23,14) DIM SMALL.ARRAY(9) PRINT INMAT(LARGE.ARRAY) PRINT INMAT(SMALL.ARRAY) This results in the following: 23}14 9 -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Butera ... is there a function to determine it's dimensions?... .. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] training material on LOCKS
Even though It is a foundational concept for any multi-user database management, several times in my career I have come across seasoned MV programmers who do not understand the basics of readu locks (let alone related topics like file locks, deadlocks, group locks, L-locks, transactions, optimistic/pessimistic, lock table, monitoring configuring.) Has anyone ever put that specific material into some kind of training module? An article in Spectrum? Infocus? A conference session? TIA for any leads, cds ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] training material on LOCKS
Brian, I'd agree with you, except for empirical evidence to the contrary. The Basic manual is a reference guide, quite good, but not a teaching guide. Those are 2 different animals. For some reason, some otherwise talented people find locks very confusing. cds On 5/9/2012 10:21 AM, Brian Leach wrote: Actually, Chapter 4 of the UniVerse Basic manual has quite a good treatment on them. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: 09 May 2012 14:45 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] training material on LOCKS Even though It is a foundational concept for any multi-user database management, several times in my career I have come across seasoned MV programmers who do not understand the basics of readu locks (let alone related topics like file locks, deadlocks, group locks, L-locks, transactions, optimistic/pessimistic, lock table, monitoring configuring.) Has anyone ever put that specific material into some kind of training module? An article in Spectrum? Infocus? A conference session? TIA for any leads, cds ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] training material on LOCKS
Yes, Leroy, UV910 will have some of what I'm looking for. UV800 proably has more of what I need. I'll cobble something together. Thanks all, cds On 5/9/2012 3:01 PM, LeRoy Dreyfuss wrote: Chuck, waHappy 100th Birthday Ronald Coase!! | Points and Figures http://pointsandfigures.com/2010/12/29/happy-100th-birthday-robert-coase/ sn't the UV910 material useful? Regards, LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 9, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Charles Stevensonstevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, I'd agree with you, except for empirical evidence to the contrary. The Basic manual is a reference guide, quite good, but not a teaching guide. Those are 2 different animals. For some reason, some otherwise talented people find locks very confusing. cds On 5/9/2012 10:21 AM, Brian Leach wrote: Actually, Chapter 4 of the UniVerse Basic manual has quite a good treatment on them. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: 09 May 2012 14:45 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] training material on LOCKS Even though It is a foundational concept for any multi-user database management, several times in my career I have come across seasoned MV programmers who do not understand the basics of readu locks (let alone related topics like file locks, deadlocks, group locks, L-locks, transactions, optimistic/pessimistic, lock table, monitoring configuring.) Has anyone ever put that specific material into some kind of training module? An article in Spectrum? Infocus? A conference session? TIA for any leads, cds ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ASCII ^010^013 Removal (LF CR)
UV's CHANGE or EREPLACE are synonyms: EREPLACE(expression, substring, replacement [,occurrence [,begin] ] ) CHANGE (expression, substring, replacement [,occurrence [,begin] ] ) which pretty much mimic ED's Change command or Pick Editor's Replace. UV's SWAP is different: SWAP variable1, variable2 SWAP MAT variable1, MAT variable2 The SWAP statement interchanges the values in the variables you specify. variable can be any valid variable, for example, integers, numbers, characters, and so forth. Swap is handy for things like this: SWAP REC.A, REC.TO.PROCESS ; GOSUB PROCESS.REC ; SWAP REC.A, REC.TO.PROCESS SWAP REC.B, REC.TO.PROCESS ; GOSUB PROCESS.REC ; SWAP REC.B, REC.TO.PROCESS It is also cheap, because no actual data is moved in memory, just pointers to the strings exchanged in memory. Others have discussed CONVERT. cds On 4/25/2012 7:07 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote: I don't recall about which platforms this applies, but CONVERT is used to change a single character. CHANGE or SWAP (depending on platform) changes multiple chars: CONVERT SINGLE1 TO SINGLE2 IN VAR VAR = CHANGE(VAR,MULTI1,MULTI2) VAR = SWAP(VAR,MULTI1,MULTI2) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ASCII ^010^013 Removal (LF CR)
Why not, during program init, build the undesired char list once, then call CONVERT only once instead of hundreds of times each time THIS.MESSAGE needs adjusting? UNDESIRABLES = CHAR(127) FOR CHARACTER = 128 TO 249 UNDESIRABLES:= CHAR(CHARACTER) NEXT CHARACTER or for better performance (maybe in a standard $INCLUDE, where it doesn't clutter and has no impact on any pgm not referencing UNDESIRABLES): EQU UNDESIRABLES TO CHAR(127):CHAR(128):CHAR(129):CHAR(130):CHAR(131):CHAR(132):CHAR(133):CHAR(134):CHAR(135):CHAR(136):CHAR(137):CHAR(138):CHAR(139):CHAR(140):CHAR(141):CHAR(142):CHAR(143):CHAR(144):CHAR(145):CHAR(146):CHAR(147):CHAR(148):CHAR(149):CHAR(150):CHAR(151):CHAR(152):CHAR(153):CHAR(154):CHAR(155):CHAR(156):CHAR(157):CHAR(158):CHAR(159):CHAR(160):CHAR(161):CHAR(162):CHAR(163):CHAR(164):CHAR(165):CHAR(166):CHAR(167):CHAR(168):CHAR(169):CHAR(170):CHAR(171):CHAR(172):CHAR(173):CHAR(174):CHAR(175):CHAR(176):CHAR(177):CHAR(178):CHAR(179):CHAR(180):CHAR(181):CHAR(182):CHAR(183):CHAR(184):CHAR(185):CHAR(186):CHAR(187):CHAR(188):CHAR(189):CHAR(190):CHAR(191):CHAR(192):CHAR(193):CHAR(194):CHAR(195):CHAR(196):CHAR(197):CHAR(198):CHAR(199):CHAR(200):CHAR(201):CHAR(202):CHAR(203):CHAR(204):CHAR(205):CHAR(206):CHAR(207):CHAR(208):CHAR(209):CHAR(210):CHAR(211):CHAR(212):CHAR(213):CHAR(214):CHAR(215):CHAR(216):CHAR(217):CHAR(218):CHAR(219):CHAR(210):CHAR(211):CHAR(212):CHAR(213):CHAR(214):CHAR(215):CHAR(216):CHAR(217):CHAR(218):CHAR(219):CHAR(220):CHAR(221):CHAR(222):CHAR(223):CHAR(224):CHAR(225):CHAR(226):CHAR(227):CHAR(228):CHAR(229):CHAR(230):CHAR(231):CHAR(232):CHAR(233):CHAR(234):CHAR(235):CHAR(236):CHAR(237):CHAR(238):CHAR(239):CHAR(240):CHAR(241):CHAR(242):CHAR(243):CHAR(244):CHAR(245):CHAR(246):CHAR(247) (The EQU method has the added advantage of the constant string being built at compile, whereas CHAR(CHARACTER) happens at runtime.) Then, whenever needed do a single: CONVERT UNDESIRABLES TO '' IN THIS.MESSAGE On 4/26/2012 8:19 AM, Bob Witney wrote: I use this : Bit of a sledgehammer but it works and it's quick too FOR CHARACTER = 127 TO 249 CONVERT CHAR(CHARACTER) TO '' IN THIS.MESSAGE NEXT CHARACTER Gets rid of all sorts of nasty webby characters :-) Bob ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way?
On my UV10.2.10 it behaves properly only with [2'',2''], as Richard Perry describe. OCONV( 16187, DYMD['',''] ) = 2012425 OCONV( 16187, DYMD[2'',2''] ) = 120425 Like Rick, I find flavor does not matter. On 4/24/2012 7:38 PM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: That was my thought, but the flavor does not seem to affect it on my version. -Rick On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Richard Lewis wrote: Or maybe it's my Pick flavor. Richard Lewis On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Rick Nuckollsr...@lynden.com wrote: Hmmm, That must be a change at UV 11. 10.2.x still produces 2 digit months and days without the extra 2’s. -Rick On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Richard Lewis wrote: On UV 11.1.3 this leaves single-digit months as a single digit. OCONV(TODAY, 'DYMD[2,2,2]') does the job correctly. The brackets allow format modifiers to the parameters that follow the D conversion code, in this case, 'YMD'. The 2's specifiy how many characters to display, and the empty quotes specify the 'text' with which to separate the elements. There's about 80 lines that describe it when you do HELP CONV D at TCL. Richard Lewis On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Rick Nuckollsr...@lynden.com wrote: Or, a bit more simply: OCONV(TODAY, D2YMD[‘’ , ’’]”) On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: OCONV(TODAY, 'DYMD[4,2,2]') - Original Message - From: Lunt, Bruce [mailto:bl...@shaklee.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 07:55 PM To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? On Unidata try: OCONV(TODAY,'DYMD') -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? YYMMDD = OCONV(TODAY,'DY2'):OCONV(TODAY,'DM'):OCONV(TODAY,'DD') easier way to do this? ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way?
ICONV works, too! ICONV( 120425, DYMD[2'',2''] ) -- 16187 OCONV( 16187, DYMD[2'',2''] ) -- 120425 If you ICONV an invalid date, e.g. April 34th: ICONV( 120434, DYMD[2'',2''] ) -- and STATUS()=1 I believe mathemeticians would call those inverse transformations. I was going to say reflexive but that would mean the very same transformation applied 2x gets back to the original place. cds On 4/24/2012 6:58 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: OCONV(TODAY, 'DYMD[4,2,2]') - Original Message - From: Lunt, Bruce [mailto:bl...@shaklee.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 07:55 PM To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? On Unidata try: OCONV(TODAY,'DYMD') -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? YYMMDD = OCONV(TODAY,'DY2'):OCONV(TODAY,'DM'):OCONV(TODAY,'DD') easier way to do this? ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way?
Yes. Many people don't know you can stack conversion codes, separated by value marks (like in Pick dict 8 correlatives). But in this instance the DYMD[2'',2'',2] conversion discussed elsewhere in the thread has the advantage of being able to be used in ICONV, too, to get from YYMMDD to an internal date: ICONV( 120425, DYMD[2'',2''] ) -- 16187 On 4/24/2012 6:57 PM, Martin Braid wrote: OCONV(DATE(),D2YMD:@VM:MCN) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 25 April 2012 00:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? YYMMDD = OCONV(TODAY,'DY2'):OCONV(TODAY,'DM'):OCONV(TODAY,'DD') easier way to do this? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Click https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/wQw0zmjPoHdJTZGyOCrrhg== 2eKQFaw1sOoTA9gaOpFHJJo+VEWAxlvp7UeaPLWGci2!g== to report this email as spam. Epicor Software (UK) is a limited company registered in England Wales. Registration Number: 2338274. Registered Office: 6th Floor, One London Wall, London EC2Y 5EB This e-mail is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. Any views and/or opinions expressed in this e-mail are of the author only and do not represent the views of Epicor Software (UK) Limited or any other company within its group. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users . ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way?
OBTW, on UniVerse both concatenations: D2YMD:@VM:MCN are done at compile-time because all elements are constant strings. (@VM isn't really a variable, more like an EQUate.) So if you stick Martin's construct inside a loop, there no added burden. On 4/24/2012 6:57 PM, Martin Braid wrote: OCONV(DATE(),D2YMD:@VM:MCN) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way?
me: Win 2003 Perry? 10.2? 10.3? Redhat? I'd sure like to know what makes the difference. I'd hate to get bit - again! - in a migration or upgrade. The worst fall-out I ever had in an upgrade was when they changed an obscure FMT code without telling anyone. On 4/25/2012 9:07 AM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: If not flavor, then hardware/os? (Sparc/Solaris) -Rick On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Charles Stevenson wrote: On my UV10.2.10 it behaves properly only with [2'',2''], as Richard Perry describe. OCONV( 16187, DYMD['',''] ) = 2012425 OCONV( 16187, DYMD[2'',2''] ) = 120425 Like Rick, I find flavor does not matter. On 4/24/2012 7:38 PM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: That was my thought, but the flavor does not seem to affect it on my version. -Rick On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Richard Lewis wrote: Or maybe it's my Pick flavor. Richard Lewis On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Rick Nuckollsr...@lynden.com wrote: Hmmm, That must be a change at UV 11. 10.2.x still produces 2 digit months and days without the extra 2’s. -Rick On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Richard Lewis wrote: On UV 11.1.3 this leaves single-digit months as a single digit. OCONV(TODAY, 'DYMD[2,2,2]') does the job correctly. The brackets allow format modifiers to the parameters that follow the D conversion code, in this case, 'YMD'. The 2's specifiy how many characters to display, and the empty quotes specify the 'text' with which to separate the elements. There's about 80 lines that describe it when you do HELP CONV D at TCL. Richard Lewis On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Rick Nuckollsr...@lynden.com wrote: Or, a bit more simply: OCONV(TODAY, D2YMD[‘’ , ’’]”) On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: OCONV(TODAY, 'DYMD[4,2,2]') - Original Message - From: Lunt, Bruce [mailto:bl...@shaklee.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 07:55 PM To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? On Unidata try: OCONV(TODAY,'DYMD') -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] YYMMDD easy way? YYMMDD = OCONV(TODAY,'DY2'):OCONV(TODAY,'DM'):OCONV(TODAY,'DD') easier way to do this? ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] EXIT ; EXIT inside a loop
Once more, VLIST answers the question: 1: FOR A1 = 1 TO X 1 0 : 0F8 move 0 = A1 1 6 : 098 forincrA1 X 1 00058: 2: FOR A2 = 1 TO Y 2 00014 : 0F8 move 0 = A2 2 0001A : 098 forincrA2 Y 1 00050: 3: * little twisted logic 4: IF G = H THEN EXIT ; EXIT 4 00028 : 06E eq G H = $R0 4 00030 : 2DE testfw $R0 00048: 4 00038 : 0C2 jump 00050: - 1st EXIT. 4 00040 : 0C2 jump 00050: - 2nd EXIST. hey, same jump as 1st! (but would nexer be reached. we already jumped.) 5: * twisted little logic 6: NEXT A2 6 00048 : 0C2 jump 0001A: 7: * twisting little logic 8: NEXT A1 --- 0050x where that exit takes us. 8 00050 : 0C2 jump 6: 9: * little twisting logic 00010 00058 : 190 stop On 4/19/2012 3:35 PM, Dave Laansma wrote: Given: FOR A1 = 1 TO X FOR A2 = 1 TO Y little twisted logic IF G = H THEN EXIT ; EXIT twisted little logic NEXT A2 twisting little logic NEXT A1 little twisting logic The question is, if G = H, will the two EXIT commands drop out of both loops, skipping BOTHtwisted little logic andtwisting little logic, and resume execution atlittle twisting logic ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Case Statement with only two cases
A respectful correction, Brian. On 4/20/2012 4:50 AM, Brian Leach wrote: it's all the same to the compiler. -Original Message- BEGIN CASE CASE A = TEST; GOSUB DO.SOMETHING CASE 1; GOSUB DO.SOMETHING.ELSE END CASE versus this IF A = TEST THEN GOSUB DO.SOMETHING ELSE GOSUB DO.SOMETHING.ELSE - Since we seem to be finding every nit in the bottom of this empty barrel, here's one more. There are 2 compiler difference as shown by VLIST (UV10.2): 1: BEGIN CASE 2:CASE A = TEST; GOSUB DO.SOMETHING 2 0 : 06E eq A TEST = $R0 2 8 : 2DE testfw $R0 00020: 2 00010 : 0A4 gosub 00060: 3:CASE 1; GOSUB DO.SOMETHING.ELSE 3 00018 : 0C2 jump 00038: 3 00020 : 2DE testfw 1 00038: -- Extra worthless test 3 00028 : 0A4 gosub 00062: 4: END CASE 4 00030 : 0C2 jump 00038: -- Extra worthless jump (to next line) (Source lineup is goofy. This jump is really part of source line 3. RAID is confusing, too. A discussion for a different thread.) 5: IF A = TEST THEN GOSUB DO.SOMETHING ELSE GOSUB DO.SOMETHING.ELSE 5 00038 : 06E eq A TEST = $R0 5 00040 : 2DE testfw $R0 00058: 5 00048 : 0A4 gosub 00060: 5 00050 : 0C2 jump 00060: 5 00058 : 0A4 gosub 00062: 6: STOP 6 00060 : 190 stop With the speed of today's machines it would be hard to find a place where that performance makes a difference. Rocket could theoretically clean up both (or either independently) if the compiler was smart enough: 1. to know that a logical test outcome was predestined at compile time (It already does that sort of thing in other situations.). Then it could compile only 1 of the 2 paths the testfw takes. (e.g. 0020x). Same for IF, WHILE, or UNTIL constructs. 2. To recognize the final CASE before the END CASE never needs to jump (e.g., 0030x). I wonder if we've already wasted more electrical biological energy by me writing this email, dispersing it around the globe, and you reading it, than all the machine cycles wasted executing the 2 worthless tests in all the object scattered around the universe that Rocket could theoretically optimize. cds ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unwanted Duplicated
If these are long lists, it may be best to save the list with its duplicates, shell out and execute unix command sort -u on the saved lists. No database i/o. Unless UD has some feature beyond UV's at this particular point. Note that sort -u output is sorted, but not necessarily by the same algorithm as UD or UV uses. cds On 4/6/2012 8:32 AM, Greg Coelho wrote: Thanks Jeff! From: Jeff Buterajbut...@hampshire.edu To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 04/06/2012 09:28 AM Subject:Re: [U2] Unwanted Duplicated Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org On 04/06/12 09:10, Greg Coelho wrote: John, Thanks for the response. I on UniData. I was thinking that perhaps this was the result of a UDT.OPTION setting... Oh! I think I've just come across the answer - please see below: When performing a SELECT statement that employs the SAVING UNIQUE keyword against a multi-valued field - the resulting list will contain two valuemarks on each line with a number in between after the saved value. An example is useful to demonstrate: :SELECT STUDENT.TERMS SAVING UNIQUE STTR.STUDENT.ACAD.CRED SAMPLE 100 SAVE.LIST LIST.TEST :AE SAVEDLISTS LIST.TEST000 Top of LIST.TEST000 in SAVEDLISTS, 345 lines, 4,093 characters. 001: ý1ý1 002: 1003926ý1ý1 003: 1003927ý2ý1 004: 1003928ý3ý1 005: 1024941ý1ý1 006: 1024942ý2ý1 007: 1024943ý3ý1 008: 1036527ý1ý1 009: 1036528ý2ý1 010: 1036529ý3ý1 Correct - this is normal behavior. The way to remove these is to GET.LIST and then perform a select against the file for which these are keys and save it again. We dealt with this years ago in a similar situation. So you would followup with GET.LIST LIST.TEST SELECT STUDENT.ACAD.CRED SAVE.LIST LIST.TEST and your list will now be free of the @VM garbage. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore
One way around the UPDATE.ACCOUNT problem that Brian mentions is to invent your own flavour (Your own sub-file under the Pick-style multi-level file under UV/NEWACC). Massage that once per UV upgrade, then apply it to all VOCs that need protecting or customizing. Personally, I wish it was much easier more practical to make a VOCs read-only. Same for DICTs, where next.available records and EVAL typically make read-only difficult. cds On 4/4/2012 5:21 AM, Brian Leach wrote: Jeff is right in theory though you would need to be careful whenever you run an upgrade account. If you really want to secure the VOC you would also need to lock out all other forms of access such as UniObjects: you can easily create a little VBScript to connect through with this and read/write/delete directly. And if anyone can ever get to shell, you have the UVread, UVwrite and UVdelete executables. And if you make the account a SQL schema, the VOC is not a SQL table so you can't use grant permissions. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Porterfield Sent: 03 April 2012 23:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore Louie Bergsagellouiebergsagelat gmail.com writes: No, that works fine. You only need a label if you want to skip some lines. Turns out somebody had deleted the VOC equal sign record =. Which brings up a good security question, how do you prevent someone from deleting things? Put shell around ED and DELETE? It would be a bummer to have to make VOC read-only. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Ron Hutchingsron_hutchingsat hotmail.com wrote: On Line 6 don't you need to go to a label to execute a command instead of trying to directly execute it? Check into the Security Subroutines section of the Administrators Guide. 1) Make a temporary copy of ED in your VOC, call it ED.BAK. This is your backdoor in case of problems. I would also have a separate account with a pointer to the main account's VOC. This account you can lock with a simple paragraph that says if @LOGNAME isn't you, LOGOUT. 2) Write a security subroutine that conforms to the specs given in Chapter 8 of the Administrators guide. Catalog it in the global catalog. 2) Copy the verbs you want to secure, including ED, into your VOCLIB. 3) Change the verbs in the VOC to Remote pointers to your VOCLIB, and add the name of your security routine to line 4. (I might suggest testing the R pointers before applying the security routine.) 4) Once you're sure your security is working as planned, and that you can use the ED program you've secured, then remove your back door ED.BAK. Remember, you can still fix the VOC from your other account if you manage to lock yourself out. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Record lock
Nicholas ( any newbies listening in), Just to make sure all bases are covered: 1. LIST.READU's EVERY keyword. Besides showing group locks, it will also, at the very end, show who is waiting on a lock. If there are 2 lines where waiter lock-holder are reversed on the 2nd line, you have a deadlock. 2. There is also a deadlock daemon that you can run or not run as you wish. If you turn it off, closely monitor it manually, you can find the offending code. Both processes will hang until you find it log one off. PORT.STATUS can then tell you what code is being executed when the deadlock hit the 2 offending processes. PORT.STATUS PID [pid] LAYER.STACK is especially useful. 2b. The deadlock daemon's log can give you a history of when deadlocks were found. My last 2 entries were last June August: Wed Jun 01 15:49:07 2011 - Deadlock detected (victim User 61023) Mon Aug 01 17:05:57 2011 - Deadlock detected (victim User 5380) 3. If you have writes without explicit readus preceding them, UV will wait for a readu lock behind the scenes, but it won't tell you about it in the LIST.READU waiter section. You can change the default behaviour. I think deadlock daemon handles this, but I don't recall for certain. On 3/26/2012 2:19 AM, Namacha, N. (Nicholas) wrote: The issue here is to try and monitor for deadlocks. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Turn a device and inode into file name
Diane - Here's a short LIST.READU envelope that replaces dev/inode with filenames. Look up these UV-supplied tools that tie device Inode to the filename: ACCOUNT.FILE.STATS LIST.FILE.STATS STAT.FILE UNIVERSE.STAT.FILE It relies on regularly running ACCOUNT.FILE.STATS to keep STAT.FILE up to date. I added an index to UV's vanilla STAT.FILE and use it to extract the filename. See lines 3 30: 01: PROGRAM SHOW.READU 02: * Abbreviated LIST.READU, but with filenames replacing device/inode. 03: * Relies on indexed I-desc DICT STAT.FILE INODE.DEV: FILEINODE:.:FILEDEV 04: 05: $COPYRIGHT (c) 2012 Charles D. Stevenson. Permission to use with attribution granted. 06: $OPTIONS DEFAULT 07: 08: SENTENCE.OPTS = @SENTENCE[' ',2, 999 ] 09: BEGIN CASE 10: CASE NOT( LEN( SENTENCE.OPTS )) ; * usual case 11: EXECUTE 'LIST.READU EVERY' CAPTURING LRDU 12: LOOP ; * ignore Group lock section 13: UNTIL REMOVE( LRDU, MORE) = Active Record Locks: 14: WHILE MORE 15: REPEAT 16: CRT Active Record Locks: 17: CASE SENTENCE.OPTS = SIMPLE ; * LIST.READU's default 18: EXECUTE 'LIST.READU' CAPTURING LRDU 19: CASE @TRUE ; l * any valid LIST.READU syntax 20: EXECUTE 'LIST.READU ': SENTENCE.OPTS CAPTURING LRDU 21: END CASE 22: OPEN 'STAT.FILE' TO F.STAT ELSE STOP 201, 'STAT.FILE' 23: MORE = @TRUE 24: LOOP WHILE MORE 25: LINE = REMOVE( LRDU, MORE ) 26: TRIMMED = TRIM( LINE ) 27: DEV = TRIMMED[ ' ', 1, 1 ] 28: INODE = TRIMMED[ ' ', 2, 1 ] 29: IF LEN( DEV ) ! LEN( INODE ) THEN 30: SELECTINDEX 'INODE.DEV', INODE:'.':DEV FROM F.STAT TO 9 31: READNEXT STAT.ID FROM 9 THEN 32:READV FILENAME FROM F.STAT, STAT.ID, 1 THEN 33: LINE[1,29] = FILENAME '29.L#29' 34:END 35: END 36: END 37: CRT LINE 38: REPEAT 39: RETURN 40:END Catalogue it run as a verb. Contact me if you have questions. cds On 3/16/2012 6:03 PM, dia...@aptron.com wrote: I swear I wrote a new version of LIST.READU at one time where I dealt with this and listed the file where the item was locked, but I can't find it anywhere. And now, of course, I'm obsessed with finding it. If I find it I'll post it. -Dianne ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Turn a device and inode into file name
Better yet, write an i-descriptor-friendly function to extract STATUS FILEINFO info, then use it in DICT VOC I-descripters to use with SELECT LIST directly. On 3/16/2012 5:00 PM, LeRoy Dreyfuss wrote: A program that uses either the FILEINFO() function or the STATUS statement will produce what you need, and should work cross-platform. Select against the VOC and filter out what you don't need, i.e. remote files, Q-pointers etc. Regards, LeRoy ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Global Catalog: Universe vs. Unidata
The concept is similar, but there's an additional step. See UV 11.1 Administering Universe pdF, Chapter 18, UniAdmin pdf, Chapter 16, Managing Catalog Shared Menu. Most UV shops in my experience don't bother with it, but I think it's a good tool and not difficult to master. cds On 3/9/2012 6:02 PM, Kevin King wrote: On Unidata, globally cataloguing a program causes it to run in a separate memory space so that if 10 users are running the program, only one copy of the routine is loaded into memory. From the docs: Multiple users can run globally cataloged programs simultaneously — UniData brings one copy of the program into shared memory. Is the same true for globally cataloguing on Universe? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] I-Type question in PH
You can also get elapsed time by subtracting that ID date-time stamp from the os's date-time-modified stamp, which is when the job ended. (if the job writes to the PH log as it ends.) On 11/29/2011 4:01 PM, John Thompson wrote: Yep... need more sleep. Thanks. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com wrote: Third field, not second field FIELD(@ID,'_',3) -Original Message- From: John Thompsonjthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 1:54 pm Subject: [U2] I-Type question inPH So I thought I would build an I-type to get the date of thePH items in niverse so I could more easily purge them... The item id looks like so: AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641 The friendly manual says that the item id is: hantomverb_time_date So my I-type looks like so: 001 I 02 FIELD(@ID,'_',2) 03 04 Date 05 10 06 R And of course, I have not put in the conversion code yet... The output of the I-type is this: ID.. Date.. AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641 23400.0 What am I missing? Shouldn't Date be 15641? -- ohn Thompson __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Suppress not found in RetrieVe
That has been a longstanding UV enhancement request. I don't understand what their aversion is. You can surround the select with HUSH ON, HUSH OFF. Make sure VOC HUSH 4 contains a K for Keep select list active. Example: PA or in a pgm: SELECT VOC CMDS = SELECT VOC HUSH ON CMDS-1= HUSH ON SELECT NEWACC CMDS-1 = SELECT NEWACC NOPAGE HUSH OFFCMDS-1 = HUSH OFF COUNT NEWACCCMDS-1 = COUNT NEWACC EXECUTE CMDS Tony David, There are plenty of reasons you might have this situation besides unstable data that shouldbe be held constant for the duration of a report. And even with unstable data, there are plenty of reas An example: SELECT FILE1 SAVING FOREIGN.KEY SELECT FILE2 REQUIRE.SELECT Or a select list built one month and processed the next. Or say you have a fast moving, volatile file where you have multiple phantoms processing the same inbox. The fact that some records appear disappear is just fine, and doesn't necessarily warrant a panic screenS full of messages about not being able to find things in a select list. UD figured that out. I wish they'd do the same with UV. On 11/15/2011 1:52 PM, Perry Taylor wrote: That's the idea. The problem I have is records are being deleted from the file at all times of the day. What happens is the initial select picks up records that get deleted before they are output. I was hoping there was some option that would suppress these messages. If there is not I'll probably have to rewrite this query in BASIC where I have control. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Suppress not found in RetrieVe I think he means as in SELECT VOC SAMPLE 100 LIST CUSTOMER 'A' not found 'F2' not found And I don't know a way to suppress the messages, but I know a way to not GET the messages :) Try this SELECT VOC SAMPLE 100 SELECT CUSTOMER do other selects or other processing now and you won't get that message -Original Message- From: John Thompsonjthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:57 am Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Suppress not found in RetrieVe Do you mean on a SELECT or LIST? (Maybe I'm asking the obvious) On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Perry Taylorperry.tay...@zirmed.comwrote: Does anyone know of a RetrieVe option that will suppress the ' not found' messages? Thanks. Perry Perry Taylor Senior MV Architect ZirMed 888 West Market Street, Suite 400 Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.comhttp://www.zirmed.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
